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NeverMindTheBollocks

Some Maori bloke takes offence at Kupe being grouped with other explorers on a beer can. Fair enough, everyone’s entitled to their opinions.

What’s not clear is why his opinion is more important than anyone else’s, or why he gets his own media story.

I had to laugh at this point: “The way that Kupe has been portrayed on the image promotes colonial misinformation and [an idea of] racial superiority that Māori were either underfed or skinny. We do know that our Māori ancestors were quite large, muscular people – we had really good diets”.

Not really. Seafood, birds, fern roots and kumaras between them don’t provide a diet with much fat.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/521333/te-aro-brewing-company-s-use-of-kupe-to-promote-craft-beer-highly-offensive-expert
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July 5, 2024 8:01am
- Im Right
  
  And he hasn’t twigged Kupe is not real, a mythical person, a fairytale character not unlike Zeus or the tooth fairy?
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:44am
  - Mike
    
    Māori Moses.
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:05am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Kupe was not a mythical character. He was the original polynesian discoverer of NZ.
      
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      July 5, 2024 10:52am
      - Mike
        
        Rubbish. He is a mythical archetype, like Odysseus, Noah or Moses.
        
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        July 5, 2024 11:09am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Bullshit
        
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        July 5, 2024 11:20am
      - backster
        
        Didn’t he hook up a big fish?
        
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        July 5, 2024 11:44am
      - NothingLeft
        
        800 year old chinese whisper ‘oral histories’ (40 generations) of Kupe are clearly mythic bullshit. Less reliable that similarly distant stories of the Illiad or the Old testament – that at least had the advantage of some culture of literacy to keep thing a little straighter.
        
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        July 5, 2024 12:28pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        No, that was Maui – and HE is the truly mythical character that others are thinking about, not Kupe.
        
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        July 5, 2024 1:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @ Don Beckett
        
        what about Kupe and the giant octopus?
        Myth or reality…..(or another Smith story)?
        
        https://eng.mataurangamaori.tki.org.nz/Support-materials/Te-Reo-Maori/Maori-Myths-Legends-and-Contemporary-Stories/Kupe-and-the-Giant-Wheke
        
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        July 5, 2024 1:10pm
      - AndyW
        
        Don, you need to read Michael King’s tome; from memory, Kupe was created by NZ School Journal writers to add some sense of gravitas to Maori exploration. What’s more concerning is the description of the European explorers as “evil”. Would the Tikanga expert use “evil” to describe Te Rauparaha?
        
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        July 5, 2024 2:22pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      or the “creation” of George Grey & S.Percy-Smith?
      
      https://www.nzjh.auckland.ac.nz/docs/1969/NZJH_03_1_03.pdf
      
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      July 5, 2024 11:00am
      - Mike
        
        ‘Smithing’, to use Belich’s description of how the early ethnologists distilled different traditions and myths into one story.
        
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        July 5, 2024 11:11am
  - muzled
    
    Just googled it and they’re also using other navigators on their beer by the looks.
    
    Magellan & Columbus.
    
    But oh, oh, Kupe is the most precious of all so we better have a waa waa.
    
    https://www.instagram.com/tearobrewing/?hl=en
    
    I wonder if the Kupe brew was an XPA or a stout?
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:30am
    - cmm
      
      Magellan and Columbus don’t want koha? SHocked!
      
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      July 5, 2024 2:33pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    What’s up with all this hate about Kupe not being a real person?
    If the Polynesians discovered and settled New Zealand, which they clearly did, then obviously there must have been a Polynesian who did it first. One expedition, maybe one man discovers the islands and returned home to tell his people what he had found. Those Polynesian voyages weren’t random they were planned.
    The stories of different people get conflated and exaggerated over time, but people tell true stories about important people and events. Believing it must be pure invention means that some where people were inventing and spreading stories they knew to be false, why would you do that?
    Similar things could be said about Moses, Noah and Ulyesses. Some of the details seem weird to us today, but ancient people saw the world differently.
    The forces of nature seemed like gods and magic.
    So, a tribal leader of the nomadic Hebrews going to the top of a mountain to think up some rules of conduct because everyone is going crazy does look like the 10 commandments written by the hand of God. It probably felt that way to him too, no fraud required.
    A Mesopotamian farmer, worried about the weather build a boat, gets his family and some livestock into it before the big storm, when the flood comes, they float out into the open ocean. Once he’s out of sight of land it really does look like the whole world is covered with water. All perfectly plausible, no magic required, and you don’t have to worry about how he fed 2 lions 2 tigers 2 kiwi birds and a bunch of snakes.
    That story even has written sources independent of the Hebrew bible.
    Similar story with the Trojan wars, the site of Troy has actually been found and there were plenty of sieges and wars during the bronze age, why not one that lasted for ten years with great champions and cunning tricks?
    It’s just the bits about talking gods and animals that seem weird to us, but people thought differently in the past.
    Dr. Julian Jayes wrote a very good book on this, “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind” (1976). Jaynes developed the concept of the “bicameral mind,” a non-conscious mentality prevalent in early humans that relied on auditory hallucinations as commands from gods.
    So, Moses and Noah getting instructions from Yahweh or Achilles from Thetis or indeed Kupe chasing an octopus sea monster across the south Pacific is all very plausible, no magical gods or fraud required.
    The ancient ancestors were not stupid people.
    
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    July 5, 2024 3:29pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Obviously the story of Kupe and a fight with a sea monster is myth – but as Jake says, there had to be an initial discoverer of the country. He happened to be Kupe, who brought some men & women with him.
      The place where he returned to Hawaiki ( Raeatea) was the Hokianga – which means the place of return.
      
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      July 5, 2024 3:48pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jake,
      “If the Polynesians discovered and settled New Zealand, which they clearly did,”
      So Maori are not indigenous?
      Who knew?
      
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      July 5, 2024 6:34pm
- Paulus
  
  May have been thin or underfed – lo0k at what they have achieved – Serious Obesity and proud of being so superior by being huge.
  Both Wahine with moko probably to show superiority, and the huge Pacific Islander like fat with tats.
  Obesity is the greatest Health problem, and getting worse.
  
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  July 5, 2024 10:49am
- Lance
  
  And of course, if Kupe had not been put on a beer can series of great explorers, there would be a gaggle of outraged twats demanding he be included, complaining this is another example of colonialism and the ignoring of Māori culture.
  In the words of Oscar Wilde:
  “There is one only thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about”.
  
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  July 5, 2024 1:34pm
Grunter

Happy “Last Day of Newshub”
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July 5, 2024 8:02am
- lifesgood
  
  Never watched it so won’t miss it.
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:23am
  - cmm
    
    Worth watching to see the tears.
    
    Perhaps tonight will be their best eyeball count ever.
    
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    July 5, 2024 2:34pm
    - graham
      
      I think I’ll give it a miss – I prefer to keep my dinner down.
      
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      July 5, 2024 3:59pm
- Biscuit
  
  I rarely use paper money or coin these days…
  
  But…
  
  I have a shiny 2 cent piece on my PC monitor’s stand.
  
  Should I begin a ‘SAVE OUR WONDERFUL NEWSHUB’ Crowdfund?
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:25am
  - Colville
    
    I can lend you some snips so you can save half of it for something actually worthwhile.
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:53am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Some random thoughts and observations.
  USA. Watching the Dem Governors last night was like watching a rerun of Weekend at Bernies. If the Dems stick with the Biden/Harris ticket not only will they lose the Presidential election the Senate and House but also State and local elections.
  
  UK. I suspect Labour voters will have buyers remorse. I also suspect that Farage will campaign t0 reform the electoral system as the name of his party suggests. On the last pre election polls Reform was on 20% enough to win 130 seats. Instead it will probably win a couple. Farage will show the voters how 5/6 million Reform votes only got a couple of seats compared to the low number of Labour/Tory votes needed.
  
  Australia. Senator Paymans resignation from Labor will IMHO lead to the formation of a Muslim Party initally campaigning for Palestine and then moving to campaign for more special rights for Muslinms in Australia. It will become the Oz Maori Party with all the problems.
  For political junkies this is a great time.
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:33am
  - Ian Boag
    
    The UK had an electoral reform referendum in 2011. Pushed by the Lib Dems who actually had enough MPs to be in coalition with the Tories.
    
    FPP vs AV (basically the Oz system). 70% agin with a 43% turnout.
    
    Can’t see it being any different this time.
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:56am
    - Paulus
      
      Imagine what Labour will do with so many Members – the number of anticipated women will be huge so God help Sir Starmer.
      Remember he has never had a real job as such but has been a Public Servant in the UK all his working life.
      Can we assume that the Keir is remnant of Keir Hardie the Founder of the Labour Party in Scotland, and an avid Trade Unionist.
      Gaw’d help Britain but they appear to have stuffed up well in recent years.
      Await Conservative reincarnation, like Lazarus. over some years.
      Watch Labour stuff up everything, but as expected.
      Back into Europe perhaps the first move.
      
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      July 5, 2024 10:58am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Can we assume that the Keir is remnant of Keir Hardie the Founder of the Labour Party in Scotland, and an avid Trade Unionist.
        
        Hahahahaha… do you really think any Scottish miner would be in UK politics these days?
        
        Keir Starmer is an English Grammar boy….(admittedly with working class parents).
        He’s part of the Establishment.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer
        
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        July 5, 2024 11:59am
  - kowtow
    
    Corbyn has tweeted or Wed or whatever ;
    
    “Today,Palestine is on the ballot.”
    
    Speaking of which , hard and sad times for Israel . 12 IDF killed recently from the north by Hezbollah to Gaza and in Israel by domestic terrorists.
    
    And yet here the Hamas huggers call for a ceasefire and chant “no justice no peace”.
    
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    July 5, 2024 11:29am
- G152
  
  And two more to go
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:46am
- zulumonster
  
  I am also happy it is the last day of Newshub.
  
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  July 5, 2024 10:44am
  - Paulus
    
    I will not watch the reincarnation of StuffMedia with the same people who destroyed Newshub.
    Watch Stuff get re-stuffed, but who is funding the one dollar company ?
    Whilst Sherman behaves like the tank, she is more rude however and arrogant, not to be watched or trusted so TV at 6 is also off. Being a leading wahine she knows best and shows it.
    The TV media has not changed only places.
    
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    July 5, 2024 11:03am
- Flossie
  
  So over the wailing and bemoaning over the end of a couple of TV programmes. Over the years thousands of people have lost their jobs as companies have closed, and the end of 3 news – or whatever it’s called this year – is undoubtedly not pleasant for the affected workers, but enough is enough!
  
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  July 5, 2024 11:03am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Whoops, hit Report instead of Reply – Mods, pls ignore.
  
  What I was going to say is that of the four NZ news apps I keep an eye on, Newshub was the best by far. 1NEWS jumps around like a rabid dog, Stuff’s thinks it’s a magazine & RNZ’s layout is random.
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:03pm
Scott

Shane Jones had a very informative chat with Sean Plunket yesterday about iwi consultation being included in the government’s new fast track legislation.

https://youtu.be/-VOzx3T8N34?si=7tXnjFy7g3NON_HN

Jones makes the point that the government has statutory commitments to consult with iwi. These commitments were made by previous governments including right wing governments, notably the government of John Key and Chris Finlayson.

Jones asks, how much can they put aside those previous Treaty of Waitangi commitments? It’s a good question?

I think this government is doing great and we should support them more. They are lawfully obligated to consult with iwi.
However they are at least trying to get NZ more prosperous again with this new fast track legislation. The previous government wouldn’t know prosperity if they fell over it.
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July 5, 2024 8:02am
- All_on_Red
  
  Change the Law then
  Isnt that the job MPs are elected to do?
  They have a majority- use it.
  
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  July 5, 2024 8:30am
  - jkt
    
    AllOnRed
    
    Be patient or hand over all power to the executive!
    
    PS
    That means you get a dictator! You know, like, that what is playing out in American politics at the moment.
    
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    July 5, 2024 8:42am
  - CJames
    
    The government has a very heavy legislative calendar changing the laws, especially those they campaigned on. What should their priority be? If they dropped one of those promises to make way for your favourites, would you or others complain?
    
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    July 5, 2024 8:48am
    - SimonRAnderson
      
      What should their priority be?
      
      Repealing every scrap of Apartheid legislation and restoring democracy.
      
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      July 5, 2024 8:57am
    - All_on_Red
      
      They could drop the Fair Digital News Bargaining Bill
      And the Three Strikes Bill is not fit for purpose
      I wouldn’t complain if they went
      
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      July 5, 2024 8:57am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      The could change the laws re their TOW ‘obligations’ and that would probably path the way to making the other laws easier to write and pass.
      
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      July 5, 2024 9:10am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That would mean overturning Treaty settlements. That’s seems like a terrible idea.
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:15am
    - jkt
      
      Most fair minded NZ’ers agree with you, even though you will get down ticked. Not many NZ’ers begrudge Iwi for the settlements that were funded by taxpayers.
      
      But many thinking NZ’ers see that the implementation of some of the settlements are causing harm to our society.
      
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      July 5, 2024 1:07pm
  - Quail
    
    Agree AoR.
    Ensuring electoral equality was a major election plank of the Coalition Government with one possible exception .
    This should be prioritised.
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:25am
- Cassandra
  
  Governments are sovereign. That former governments added consulting with tribes to legislation means nothing. Tribes have no more right to be consulted than the Residents Committee of my retirement village – or any less. Giving a tribe a legal right is racist. A principled government would call this out for what is is – appalling racism. We are all New Zealanders. Who our great x 10 grandmother was means nothing.
  
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  July 5, 2024 8:34am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No you are wrong. Parliament is sovereign. Not the government. All laws introduced by the previous government remain unless repealed
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:04am
    - Taieri
      
      No you are wrong. Parliament is sovereign. Not the government.
      ————-
      
      And that’s the problem.
      The only real Sovereign in a true democracy should be The People.
      
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      July 5, 2024 10:31am
      - Mike
        
        And parliament is the gathering of the people’s representatives.
        
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        July 5, 2024 11:15am
      - Taieri
        
        And parliament is the gathering of the people’s representatives.
        ————-
        
        Selected in the large number by the party hacks.
        
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        July 5, 2024 1:02pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    I disagree. Regardless of the particular details of this or that tribal argument, giving tribes rights is not racist. Humans live in natural communities, those are tribes and they exist prior to any formal government. Governments exist for the protection of humans which also means human tribes. Humans do not exist from the protection of governments. To say that tribes should have no rights is the equivalent of saying that families should have no rights.
    And who your 10X grandmother was is important. It’s part of the basic reality of who you are, I won’t have any government try to abolish that or pretend that they can abolish that.
    
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    July 5, 2024 3:46pm
- Simon
  
  Who voted for these iwi mafia?
  
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  July 5, 2024 8:35am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of the never ending gravy train of which the National Party has acted as the Fat Controller , anyone else amazed at how Full and Final is forgotten and the tracks now run towards full partnership.
  
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  July 5, 2024 8:38am
- jkt
  
  The man found a way to explain this so that even I get it. (I think he convinced Sean, not that Sean would acknowledge that)
  
  Is this a gift that Sean has to get the best out of the person interviewed?
  Is this the effect of Sean gifting some lea-way to Shane that he does not afford others that he interviews?
  Is this just the “genius” of Shane?
  
  We know for sure that Shane is no genius, so I think it is a little bit of the last two, combined with a listener/viewer who is prepared to listen to Sean and Shane with an open mind.
  
  No mean feat!
  
  I often find that I get so pissed off with the interviewer or interviewee that I just shut down. Because, if I do not, I may go find my gun and blow my brains out!
  
  PS. For my own safety I do not own a gun.
  
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  July 5, 2024 8:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “the government has statutory commitments”
  “There are three “Articles” in the Treaty.” Where are these “commitments in the Treaty? I don’t see them. Jones should know better, he is a smart man.
  
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/The-Treaty-of-Waitangi-true-and-fake-1.pdf
  
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  July 5, 2024 8:44am
  - jkt
    
    Clauses in nearly every single Act implemented or amended since the 1970’s.
    Every report that is developed by any policy adviser, manager and employee at Local Government or other public authorities have to deal with these issues!
    
    Annoying and soul destroying for the poor individual writing the report.
    
    PS
    Every person with any authority above that of the report writer will make a point of demanding changes to whatever the report writer recorded on these issues. A tick box exercise that seems to give relevance to people’s lives.
    
    Fact
    These clauses are clearly not fit for purpose as no two people can ever interpret them in the same way!
    
    Interest groups will continue fighting for the continuation of these clauses for obvious reasons.
    
    Good luck, David Seymour! I think his department that will deal with this kicked into action on 1 July 2024!
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:07am
    - pdm
      
      I have confidence in Seymour to win a few battles in this area even if he does not win the war in this term
      
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      July 5, 2024 9:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      jkt,
      
      1975 is when it started to go wrong with the Waitangi Tribunal Act.
      The Tribunal worked with the rogue James Freeman version of the Treaty because it suited them. It contains things that are not in the original Maori version which was translated from the English original version written by James Busby, helped by William Hobson. It was translated to Maori by Henry Williams and his son Edward.
      The Treaty by James busby was given to Lawyer Henry Littlewood and is now known as the Littlewood Draft, the true English version.
      Here is how it happened. The first 15 minutes are the creation and signing.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgY03s6Tqc
      
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      July 5, 2024 12:33pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is not about the Treaty. The commitments are in contracts with Iwi. These are then reflected in Acts of Parliament that underpin each Treaty settlement. No government is going to upend these.
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:18am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      They do not need to repeal anything. The most recent legislation overrides any earlier laws that are inconsistent with it.
      
      Just pass a new law that says race or any other group membership based on ancestry must be ignored by courts in the resolution of any dispute, including interpretation of any law, regulation, or treaty.
      
      Previous commitments to consult iwi would still be valid, and that consultation should still happen, but there would not be any recourse to the courts if iwi were unhappy with the outcome.
      
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      July 5, 2024 9:56am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “The most recent legislation overrides any earlier laws that are inconsistent with it.”
        
        No. Only if the earlier Acts are repealed. Passing an Act in New Zealand does not invalidate existing laws, even if those laws are inconsistent.
        
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        July 5, 2024 10:06am
      - jkt
        
        Benedict
        I think that you will find that Nigel’s comment holds true.
        New legislation (amendments) that provides a definition to rule out ambiguity does not require any laws to be repealed.
        
        In my experience Treaty Clause sections included in legislation are pretty vague. “Have regard to…..” comes to mind.
        
        “Have regard to”: Now there is a lot to unpack, right there.
        
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        July 5, 2024 1:21pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        “pass a new law that says race or any other group membership based on ancestry must be ignored by courts in the resolution of any dispute, including interpretation of any law, regulation, or treaty.”
        
        then you have just abolished the family as a consideration in law. The family is a group membership based on ancestry. This sort of nonsense is a major problem in the modern world.
        All natural human connections are being stripped out, abolished and melted away to make us into economically efficient consumers. It is the government and business corporations that are fictitious social constructs, not families and not tribes (which are just extended families existing through time). Without them we are just fuel for the factories and meat for the sausage machine.
        
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        July 5, 2024 3:56pm
  - Paulus
    
    The English version of the Treaty was the original and correct one – all we are seeing is some Maori experts are re translating it to read what they want.
    
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    July 5, 2024 11:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I do hope you mean the Littlewood Draft and not the rogue James Freeman version that the crooked Waitangi Tribunal uses.
      
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      July 5, 2024 12:36pm
- pdm
  
  Consulting with Iwi is one thing.
  
  Placing unelected Iwi in decision making positions is not acceptable.
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:00am
  - MCōs
    
    What’s an ‘unelected iwi’?
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:08am
    - Anthony Melchett
      
      You can start with local councils appointing maoris to the council table without a democratic process. Unelected councilors if you will.
      
      These unelected “iwi” have full voting rights in the council and have influence over spending ratepayer dollars, without any accountability.
      
      All because of the colour of their skin and a desire from weak woke virtue signaling whiteys who think they are better than everyone else.
      
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      July 5, 2024 9:35am
      - kowtow
        
        Such appointments are contrary to the democratic principle of “the rukle of law” , whereby peope who have a say and decision makers over or lives are accountable to us , the people , through open , fair and democratic processes .
        
        Race appointees from local tribes are anything but.
        
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        July 5, 2024 11:33am
      - MCōs
        
        Are you talking about Māori wards whereby people on the Māori roll vote for representatives on the council?
        Unelected appointees may have voting rights on committees, but not on councils where the decisions are made. That’s my understanding
        
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        July 5, 2024 12:04pm
  - jkt
    
    What does consultation mean….😭
    Consultation process is defined in law. But no two people can ever find consensus what constitutes consultation.
    
    It should be easy, right!
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:16am
    - Paulus
      
      Maori will only accept consultation if every and any body do as they want anyway, otherwise it is not consultation.
      
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      July 5, 2024 11:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Unelected and with the power of Veto.
    This is what the Tribunal wants for Councils.
    
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    July 5, 2024 12:37pm
- Mike
  
  The national party has made it clear that they will let crazies blow off steam at a select committee but has no intention of converting the bogus treaty principles bill into an actual law.
  
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  July 5, 2024 10:11am
  - Taieri
    
    the bogus treaty principles
    ———-
    
    What are the real treaty principles then?
    
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    July 5, 2024 11:10am
    - Mike
      
      David Seymour’s bill purports to present the true principles by cherry picking phrases from a translation and mashing them together to match his political opinions.
      
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      July 5, 2024 11:47am
      - Taieri
        
        That’s not what I asked.
        So, again, what are the real principles?
        
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        July 5, 2024 1:03pm
      - Mike
        
        Perhaps you should read the judgment from the 1987 SOE case.
        
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        July 5, 2024 2:51pm
      - Taieri
        
        Perhaps you should read the judgment from the 1987 SOE case.
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        I prefer to to read the original document. Can’t see much in the way of “principles” there though…
        
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        July 5, 2024 3:43pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The real Treaty Principles started with 5 that idiot Geoffrey Palmer introduced in 1989.
      There are now about 33 ‘Principles’ See the Hobson’s Pledge website.
      
      https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/treaty_principles
      
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      July 5, 2024 12:41pm
- Country Air Ian.
  
  Just a small point(but significant)
  
  Consult does not mean agree with.
  
  Consulting Iwi could be summarised with.
  “thank you for your input, but we have decided after due consideration, to do what we set out to do””
  
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  July 5, 2024 12:27pm
Maggie Pie

“And Lloyd… don’t let the door bang you in the arse on the way out”

😀 😀 😀
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July 5, 2024 8:08am
- Tricati
  
  Well said – but he is off to that bastion of political objectivity RNZ (sarc), so we will still hear his nauseating tone against the coalition government.
  
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  July 5, 2024 8:24am
  - lifesgood
    
    No we won’t, if we don’t listen. Turn to Newstalk. They are the least biased of all. They have some left and some right presenters. I think that’s pretty fair.
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:26am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      They just need to get rid of that Roaming Travesty.
      
      He’s an unlistenable jerk!
      
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      July 5, 2024 9:45am
      - Mike
        
        So don’t listen.
        
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        July 5, 2024 10:14am
      - pdm
        
        Is he getting as bad as Roxborgh?
        
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        July 5, 2024 10:15am
      - Tricati
        
        Yep
        
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        July 5, 2024 12:58pm
  - Grunter
    
    Switch to another channel. I don’t even know who Lloyd is! Sounds like I wouldn’t like him/her/they.
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think he is some jerk on the steam wireless.
      
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      July 5, 2024 12:50pm
- imalwaysright
  
  The TV3 New York correspondent said he now earns a living by doing live crosses for other broadcasters around the world. He even does his own camera work.
  
  Maintaining a foreign correspondent is very expensive, you would think tv1 and 3 would have used this type of service instead of funding the OEs of a line of second rate pretenders.
  
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  July 5, 2024 8:38am
  - MCōs
    
    Who of the TV1 overseas correspondents are you saying are second rate, in your opinion?
    Mei Heron, Logan Church, Barbara Dreaver, Aziz Al Sa’afin?
    
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    July 5, 2024 12:15pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      All of the above.
      Especially Dweaver.
      
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      July 5, 2024 12:18pm
peterwn

Seems some health managers have not woken up that there is a new Government now. A female psychiatrist has quit because the Health Authority refused to provide a panic button in her room saying it did not meet the business case. Golly, if the Authority has an employee whose job it is to provide ‘business cases’ for trivial things, then surely that employee can be let go and replaced by a doctor, nurse or security guard.
H&S has already issued three improvement notices against that clinic, so they are obviously concerned about staff safety. Perhaps it will take another court incident (where a family court judge was attacked with a machete in her courtroom) or WINZ office incident (where a staff member was shot dead by an unhappy client) for meaningful action to be taken – unless the Minister gets in first and bangs heads together.
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July 5, 2024 8:13am
- peterwn
  
  I am reminded that up to the mid 1970’s, government departments had to seek State Services Commission approval to purchase a desk calculator – the Commission did not trust the Chief Executives to make the decisions. Then Intel produced its 4004 chip meaning calculators could be made for $20. So departments and the SSC wasted far more than $20 to do and approve the business cases. Then someone woke up to this and the rules were eased. But I still remember a big fight to get a HP65 multi function calculator costing perhaps $100 – these were an utter gift from heaven – no more log tables!
  Then in 1984 Rogernomics Ministers were having to sign off expenditure for all sorts of trivial things (like replacing equipment in prison boilerhouses). Cabinet increased the CEO financial delegations considerably).
  
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  July 5, 2024 10:45am
  - Skippytony
    
    Back in about 1970 my parents built a new house. They bought a new bar that had the perfect place for our telephone except the cord was about a foot too short. So my father went to the post office, filled out a form and about six weeks later a guy turns up in a grey dustjacket and a cloth cap and gets out his clipboard and tape measure. Dad eventually gets a letter from the Postmaster general and has to go into the local post office and pay for the cable. About two months later, two guys in a van turn up and attach a 2 ft extension cable to the phone, followed up a couple of weeks later by another guy in a dustjacket checking the job.
    
    Ahhh those were the days.
    
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    July 5, 2024 1:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “A female psychiatrist” needs a panic button? I presume she means her office and not at home.
  What does that tell you about psychiatrists? On the edge fruitcake?
  
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  July 5, 2024 1:01pm
  - mawm
    
    SO – That they deal with very strange people, some of whom become very violent in an instant.
    
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    July 5, 2024 3:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You mean patient or the doctor?
      Relative is in this field, and he is qualified but not stable as a psycho.
      
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      July 5, 2024 6:38pm
All_on_Red

‘…according to a survey of 1,000 likely voters, …, Harris would lose to Donald Trump by 11 percentage points in a hypothetical election head-to-head – 38 to 49 percent.’
‘Former First Lady Michelle Obama also outperformed Harris – coming up short against Trump by five points.’
‘When the Mail’s poll respondents were asked to sum up the vice president in a word the most common response was ‘incompetent.’
In a sign of support from Democrats, the second most common word was ‘competent’ – which is hardly effusive praise – followed by ‘strong’, ‘stupid’, ‘corrupt’, ‘horrible’, and ‘dumb’.
In public, Harris has developed a reputation for delivering heaped helpings of ‘word salad’ – a phrase to describe her rambling explanations of seemingly simple concepts.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13593757/president-kamala-harris-biden-replace-poll-trump.html
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July 5, 2024 8:17am
- cmm
  
  C’mon, she could earn a Nobel Prize in Physics for her breakthrough in the understanding of time.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhfqiYx4hSA
  
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  July 5, 2024 8:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She is a fucked unit, and she is VP. Crazy!
    
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    July 5, 2024 1:06pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  She showed up early on my fail detector, back in mid-2021 after she’d been VP for just a few months, The unbearable lightness of Kamala Harris”.
  
  What started as a Female Barack Obama, ended as a Black Hillary Clinton.
  
  Everything I wrote about her then still stands up – except now more people know .
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:20am
  - Mike
    
    That No Minister blog is an unrivalled source of genuine insights. I hope more people are reading it:
    https://nominister.wordpress.com/author/tomhunternz/
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:20am
- Steve Todd
  
  And this Ipsos poll has Michelle leading Trump by 11 points, and Kamala trailing him by only one point.
  
  See https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/only-michelle-obama-bests-trump-alternative-biden-2024.
  
  Completely meaningless, of course, because, right now, neither lady is running for President (with one of them having no interest in ever doing so).
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:43am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Ipsos polls Registered Voters whilst the Mail poll is of Likely Voters
    There is a difference
    But agree that Michelle Obama would do better than Biden or Harris- if she ran
    Not sure she will. Too lazy and likes being rich
    We will see
    
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    July 5, 2024 11:06am
    - Mike
      
      It’s a ‘heads I win tails you lose proposition’ isn’t it? If Mrs Obama ran, she would be a puppet for her husband; if she doesn’t, she’s lazy and entitled.
      Like most sane or nearly sane people, you know she wouldn’t run for office, and you can pick your preferred rationale
      
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      July 5, 2024 11:20am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Big Mike is Barry’s puppet.
      
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      July 5, 2024 1:07pm
peterwn

So a keen couple has visited all 225 Four Square shops to celebrate Four Square’s 100th anniversary. I suspect that there used to be many more than 225 Four Square shops, but many have de-franchised or closed down over the years. Their owner-operators (among other reasons) could not meet increasing franchise fees and requirements despite access to goods at reasonable cost which is why Four Square was formed (prior to that grocery and other wholesalers took a big cut, were highly profitable and wielded considerable commercial power)..
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July 5, 2024 8:20am
- Maggie Pie
  
  There’s one opened up on Remuera Rd, not all that far from the Countdown Supermarket. Both the same owner, but the 4SQ is 15-20% more expensive on most items. They’ll never compete with NW becos of their DEI hiring policy.
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:39am
  - Colville
    
    There is no way that a 4Sq and a Countdown have the same owner.
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:58am
    - Mike
      
      To be fair, Maggie’s more familiar with her local Otahuhu shops.
      
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      July 5, 2024 10:22am
    - Local Miller
      
      Correct, 4Sq is part of the Foodstuffs franchise group which includes New World, Pack and Save, 4 Square and Gilmores. Foodstuffs also have a very well defined process for becoming a franchisee, and as Colville says, there’s no way a Countdown owner would be accepted as a 4 Square owner since they (Progressive Foods) are in competition with FS.
      Yes, 4Sq is more expensive than Foodstuffs, but they were never there to compete with either FS or Countdown, they are there to compete with the independent Dairies. I’ve never done a price comparison as I only go to the Dairy for Milk and a 4Sq when there are no FS or CD supermarkets, but I suspect you will find the 4Sq is on average cheaper than the surrounding Dairies.
      
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      July 5, 2024 10:32am
      - peterwn
        
        I think Four Square has moved upwards from glorified dairies. Similarly Foodstuffs have downgraded some New World supermarkets to Four Square (eg Port Chalmers). Originally the franchisee would have owned or leased their own Four Square premises. It would seem that Foodstuffs own or have the head lease on many Four Square properties as they do with New World, etc. meaning they can exercise tighter control over the owner-operators. In the South Island some smaller Four Square shops seem to have downgraded to ‘On the Spot’, another Foodstuffs franchise.
        
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        July 5, 2024 10:57am
      - lifesgood
        
        We absolutely love the 4SQ in St Heliers. A fantastic asset to the community and a price comparison with New World is pretty good. Worth the extra few cents per item in petrol savings and convenience. They have good specials too.
        
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        July 5, 2024 12:41pm
- artemisia
  
  Time to time media reports retailers stocking up at PnS specials as cheaper than they can source through their usual channels.
  
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  July 5, 2024 10:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That’s why people we know never shop there.
    The sight of Indian dairy owners with over stacked trolleys holding up the checkouts for hours on end is enuff to put anyone off.
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:32am
    - Mike
      
      And you have your staff discount at Fresh Choice.
      
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      July 5, 2024 11:21am
    - Albie
      
      How is it that these Indian dairy owners can walk out with a trolley load of frozen chickens and throw them into the back of the Prius to take back to the dairy? Is that their last stop, or do they run another few errands on the way, who would know?
      They are businesses, any other business that handles food storage and distribution have strict guidelines to follow on food safety.
      
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      July 5, 2024 12:05pm
  - peterwn
    
    Nothing new. A Four Square I knew ran out of butter. So the owner sent her husband off to Foodtown to purchase a heap of butter. The Foodtown retail price was what the Four Square normally paid wholesale for its butter,
    
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    July 5, 2024 11:00am
- Paulus
  
  Our Four Square in Cherrywood Tauranga is the best by a long way – all the staff are friendly, polite, and will do all they can to help.
  
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  July 5, 2024 11:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Luv our Kaiti 4 square… Hardly ever frequent Gizzy’s supermarkets….especially after the Covid carry-ons..
    
    Maybe I’m prejudiced because I delivered a 4 July baby 36 years ago and received a teddy bear and a $50 voucher from my Island Bay 4 square.
    
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    July 5, 2024 1:15pm
    - SWIM
      
      Maggy well done on the July 4th Bubs.
      We have a daughter turned 32 yesterday.
      
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      July 5, 2024 2:52pm
Rusty

It’s the last day for 3 Newshub if anyone is interested or cares.
Lots of hugs, kisses, and crying from the staff before 7 tonight.
I’m not making light of people losing their jobs but they brought it on themselves.
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July 5, 2024 8:31am
- sirknz
  
  I will still be watching it roughly the same amount I always have…
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:46am
  - SWIM
    
    So I am not alone in wondering how I could care less…!
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:29am
- graham
  
  I’ve been seeing a few headlines in the Herald over the last few days around Newshub. The headlines (I certainly haven’t read the articles) give the impression of being fluff pieces, most likely bemoaning the ‘death of democracy’ or some such misinformation.
  
  Ho-hum. Never watched it, won’t miss it.
  
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  July 5, 2024 10:49am
- imalwaysright
  
  They celebrate their self inflicted failure. Says it all really.
  
  Duncan Garner wasn’t invited, he said maybe because he doesn’t share their political views.
  
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  July 5, 2024 11:07am
- Paulus
  
  But many of those who destroyed Newshub are back again with Stuffhub .
  Must be barmy, and watch them go again, soon – but who is paying for them ?
  I hope the Taxpayer is finally being weaned off paying for the media.
  
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  July 5, 2024 11:14am
redeye

You know the worm is turning when the BBC publishes this. Hopefully Jews can take some comfort.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0vewvp14zdo

“I am an academic doctor,” he says, “I had a good life, but we have a filthy [Hamas] leadership. They got used to our bloodshed, may God curse them! They are scum!”
The video – unthinkable before the Gaza war – was filmed outside a hospital, inundated with hundreds of Palestinian casualties after an Israeli operation to free hostages from central Gaza last month.

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Some have publicly criticised Hamas for hiding the hostages in apartments near a busy marketplace, or for firing rockets from civilian areas.
Residents have told the BBC that swearing and cursing against the Hamas leadership is now common in the markets, and that some drivers of donkey carts have even nicknamed their animals after the Hamas leader in Gaza – Yahya Sinwar – urging the donkeys forward with shouts of “Yallah, Sinwar!”
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July 5, 2024 8:38am
kowtow

I see to vote in the UK GE you can only vote at the polling station designated to you , on the day and you must have proper photo ID.

Can you imagine the outrage if that was done here , it would be called “voter suppression” .
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July 5, 2024 8:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I do hope they were provided with music, a cup of tea and a bickie at their voting booth.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133274293/polling-station-played-te-pti-mori-waiata-on-election-day
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:26am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  No, it would only be voter suppression against maoris, because as we keep getting told, they are too lazy to do anything that isn’t gifted directly to them on the couch, something that most maoris would of course take issue with.
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:38am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Maoris don’t have to vote anymore. Uncle John does it for them.
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:06am
  - Paulus
    
    We are told that there may not be a Census, as we know it next time, as it will all be done in house so the figures, particularly Maori numbers can be fiddled again behind the scenes.
    
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    July 5, 2024 11:17am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Maoris will suddenly be 51% of the population?
      
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      July 5, 2024 7:16pm
- Mike
  
  Is there a history of mass in-person voter fraud in the UK, or NZ?
  
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  July 5, 2024 10:24am
- MCōs
  
  And quite rightly so
  That’s third world stuff
  
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  July 5, 2024 12:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump telling the Truth!

https://discernreport.com/leaked-footage-shows-trump-calling-biden-an-old-broken-down-pile-of-crap-video/?

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1808655708348457302?
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July 5, 2024 8:47am
- jkt
  
  “Trump telling the truth!”
  Fake news?
  Miracle?
  Unusual?
  Rarity?
  
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  July 5, 2024 1:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Uptick man!
    
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    July 5, 2024 6:40pm
    - jkt
      
      I uptick good reasoning.
      Downtick stupid think.🤔
      Out of respect for free speech principles I leave a comment when I downtick.
      
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      July 5, 2024 9:26pm
cmm

sunaking: noun
The punishment meted out by the voters to a purportedly conservative politician when they go too woke.

Example use:
If Luxon continues down his current path he’s due for a good sunaking in 2026.
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July 5, 2024 8:56am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Appears there are a number of others who agree….
  let’s hope Chris takes notice.
  
  https://x.com/NZMAGAMike/status/1808388973720752223
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:10am
  - cmm
    
    He should call himself MANZA Mike, not MAGA Mike.
    
    MANZA: Make Aotearoa New Zealand Again.
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:12am
    - Omni Consumer Products
      
      Wasn’t it for Make Ardern Go Away?
      
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      July 5, 2024 9:44am
      - cmm
        
        Well she has gone away, so time for a change.
        
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        July 5, 2024 9:57am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The best thing that the Government could do is to amend the Public Service Act to require the public service to be secular. That would prohibit the promotion of te ao Maori and its use in analysis and advice. Of course it would prohibit all mysticism.
    
    We would have our New Zealand version of the French Laïcité. This requires the French Government and all government institutions to be secular.
    
    This may sound boring, but such a new Public Service Act, enforced by a new Commissioner, could have profound results. It would probably require some high profile sackings for noncompliance. 😅
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:28am
    - cmm
      
      Oh come on BY. You know perfectly well that any secular clauses would not apply to Maori values etc.
      
      Chances of any NZ parliament doing that is zero. They’ve had over 140 years of the Maori Roll having no validity and that is still in place.
      
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      July 5, 2024 9:37am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Really? The clauses to which I refer have only been there since 2020. Thanks Jacinda. Are you really saying that they are now so embedded that they cannot be removed?
        
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        July 5, 2024 10:10am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I’m surprised that someone with Luxons business acumen hasn’t asked the basic two questions about the treaty:
        
        Who benefits from the treaty? :
        
        Some maori representatives
        
        Who doesn’t benefit from the treaty? :
        
        Most maori and everyone else.
        
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        July 5, 2024 10:16am
      - cmm
        
        BY: I am not saying the causes can’t (or won’t) be removed, but they will not be applied to twart Maorification.
        
        It’s a bit like racism being outlawed. It only applies to some flavours of racism.
        
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        July 5, 2024 3:18pm
    - Mike
      
      You seem to assume that all and any Māori perspectives are an expression of religious belief.
      
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      July 5, 2024 10:29am
      - imalwaysright
        
        They take the form of religious or cultural beliefs , but in reality they are blackmail.
        Everyone who has influence over the disbursement of public money are shit scared of maori activists, so they pay them to go away.
        
        Its The Great Robbery of New Zealand.
        
        By the way where are Nania and the Ormsbys?
        
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        July 5, 2024 11:15am
Maggie Pie

THEY-WALK-AMONG-US (well down in The Tron anyway)

‘Dartelle Alder, who is serving a life-sentence for the murder of Margaret Baxter who he ran down with his car while she was out jogging, then took her back to a house where he raped and stabbed her multiple times before striking her on the head with a roof tile, has been released from prison and has been living in Hamilton for more than a year…’

https://stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350328790/murderer-dartelle-alder-out-prison-and-work

GOD watch over us all.
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July 5, 2024 8:56am
- kowtow
  
  ‘GOD watch over us all’
  
  Indeed Maggie , cos the state , whose duty it is ,sure as hell doesn’t.
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This chap kidnapped, raped and sodomised Margaret Baxter after he had struck her with his car and dislocated her hip.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/horrific-killing-brings-15-years/DTOBUXEKXMW4I2RNT6VELIXALM/
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:12am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You missed out the bit where he had a swim in the pool afterwards 🙁
    
    Hard to believe some people argue against the re-introduction of’ Capital Punishment’
    
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    July 5, 2024 9:22am
    - Omni Consumer Products
      
      I don’t think there is anything unjust about a death penalty, I just don’t trust the Government or Judiciary to wield that power competently…
      
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      July 5, 2024 9:50am
    - Keith White
      
      I’d crowdfund an armed drone to follow people like this 24/7 after their release from so-called life sentences; and make the Parole Board responsible for watching the drone screen and hitting the trigger if needed for the rest of the life of the murderer. If the Parole Board don’t want that responsibility they can either deny parole, or go to jail themselves if the offender they freed, offends again.
      
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      July 5, 2024 10:03am
      - cmm
        
        Or just put on a GPS tracker that keeps him within 500 metres of the parole board chair’s house.
        
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        July 5, 2024 3:20pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Maggie: We – or at least some of us – argue against it because – unlike you – we have some understanding of the many complexities of the death penalty.
      
      I have explained here why I went from publishing a book advocating a return to CP for our worst killers to being opposed to it. I am not going to bore readers by repeating those arguments again. Suffice it to say that re-introducing CP – which is simply never going to happen – would have precisely the opposite effect to what you intend
      
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      July 5, 2024 10:27am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I see that he managed to murder a fellow inmate while in prison. 😢
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:16am
- cmm
  
  The most scary part of the article is this:
  
  “Alder, who had no previous convictions, was sentenced to life with a 15-year non-parole term for the murder, which was increased by the Court of Appeal to 17 years non-parole – one of the longest terms in New Zealand’s history.”
  
  15 year is all he got for that (bumped up to 17).
  And that was then.
  
  If he was being convicted today he’d probably get some apology from the court for being the victim of colonialism and an ice cream.
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:18am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  Nice chap, showing the full values as usual.
  
  He also killed a fellow prisoner while in for murder.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/stabbed-inmate-said-hed-kill-me/UD6QS7Z7YDK6LAFKFQKANSO7BQ/
  
  The bigger question is why did they have a stereo and knives in their cell?
  
  Maybe we could start a petition for more knife availability for prisoners. Would help keep the numbers down
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Have those on that particular Parole Board signed a document that says they will be responsible if or when Alder re-offends again?
  
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  July 5, 2024 1:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder what keeps an Office senior manager so busy that he can’t meet with an overworked staff member within a month….

“At one point I said to a senior manager that I was barely holding on by a very thin thread. And he said, ‘I can meet with you in four weeks’.”

Do the manager folks of Health NZ have any idea of the history and inclinations of seriously disturbed and violent patients who end up in the care of our psychiatrists?

to essentially be told by an organisation that your safety and the value of the work you’re providing to the community you care for is worth less than the cost of a duress alarm, that was pretty devastating.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521332/psychiatrist-doing-job-of-three-resigns-after-being-denied-panic-button
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July 5, 2024 8:57am
- greybeard
  
  The first thing to do is to name that senior manager.
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:16am
- Burtland
  
  What ever happened to the $2 billion that was poured into mental healthcare?
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/in-depth-special-projects/story/2018918734/what-ever-happened-to-the-dollar2-billion-that-was-poured-into-mental-healthcare
  
  Dont cry over spilled milk – the story of Labour …
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:28am
  - imalwaysright
    
    ” What ever happened to the $2 billion that was poured into mental healthcare?”
    
    I think Chloe used it up trying to find someone to give her the diagnosis she was after.
    
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    July 5, 2024 11:20am
  - Paulus
    
    It is becoming more obvious that exponential mental health in New Zealand is more than likely hereditary and back from earlier generations but not identified until recently.
    It is going to get very much worse, as other countries have seen – particularly in the UK where the Health Service is in destruction through mental problems particularly from generational immigrant people..
    
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    July 5, 2024 11:24am
    - mawm
      
      Teenage use of cannabis is responsible for untold mental health problems. Is it because it’s uncovering hereditary mental illness or are the higher levels of THC responsible?
      “Association of cannabis potency with mental ill health and addiction” https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(22)00161-4/abstract
      
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      July 5, 2024 3:31pm
- David Garrett
  
  Mags: the worst bit in that story is this bit:
  
  “I don’t know what a duress alarm costs to install but I’m sure it’s less than the cost of a locum psychiatrist for one day.
  
  Apparently the “business case” for the installation of a panic alarm did not stack up. This just shows what you get when you allow bureaucrats to make decisions a 12 year old could say as being common sense.
  
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  July 5, 2024 10:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Does not surprise me.
  
  His diary will be full of rubbish like waiata and HR meetings. Seriously I have seen it. These folk measure their success by how many meetings they attend each week. I wish I was joking. 😕
  
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  July 5, 2024 10:26am
  - imalwaysright
    
    A friend of mine is a teacher aide.
    They are obliged to attend a waiata each morning, after which, during class, they are instructed by teachers to supply answers to students sitting assessment tests and daily coursework .
    
    Failure to attend, or lack of willingness to participate in , the waiata is noted and frowned upon.
    
    Giving students the answers to tests that determine their academic competence is expected and encouraged.
    
    Corruption
    
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    July 5, 2024 11:29am
    - Ghost
      
      My cousin is a teacher. Doesn’t do any such thing as you mention
      
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      July 5, 2024 11:47am
      - imalwaysright
        
        [Mod – take you childish slants elsewhere]
        
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        July 5, 2024 12:20pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Im not permitted to reply to you in a like manner.
        
        [Mod – if only you were then your comments would be being ending up in trash so much lately]
        
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        July 5, 2024 1:44pm
- Keith White
  
  Where I work overseas we have a couple of cans of compressed air hooked up to a horn, for these fortunately rare events in the ER. Very cheap, bought retail and affordable, easily grabbed in a hurry, and extremely loud. Everyone comes running.
  
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  July 5, 2024 6:53pm
sirknz

Here is probably the least important story of the day.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mahia-pou-swallowed-by-the-sea-locals-call-for-help-before-tangaroa-takes-it-for-good/TE7O765635AC3NWMTVEODRPMYE/

It currently has the prime position in the NZ News section on the Horrid being ~9am.

How long till the MSM fails?
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July 5, 2024 9:04am
- mandk
  
  If Tangaroa wants the pou, surely it would be offensive for Maori to try to prevent it.
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:49am
  - Jethrod
    
    But the pou is a “Stairway to heaven”, you know, just like the song.
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:15am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Clearly.
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:23am
MCōs

Get an education
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C85KcfThp7w/?igsh=MXduMmF3dXp0b3M4dA==
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July 5, 2024 9:12am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The British banned the Guns and now are starting on toy knives. Coming to a place near you soon.

https://www.thepublica.com/british-man-sentenced-to-four-months-in-prison-after-being-arrested-for-carrying-a-mini-toy-replica-legend-of-zelda-sword/?
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July 5, 2024 9:13am
- MCōs
  
  What’s not mentioned in the article is the person in question is a repeat offender who’s been in and out of prison for a long period of time and he was walking round a town centre with a long knife in an area of high knife crime
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2024/07/03/zelda-master-sword-gets-man-4-months-prison-time-but-theres-more-to-the-story/
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s a plastic knife. Before you start the nonsense, almost anything can be used as a weapon. How about a plastic ball point pen?
    
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    July 5, 2024 1:28pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      “While it is unclear what material the replica was made out of, most models available online are made out of a type of thermoplastic polymer and are not blade-sharp.”
      How did you come to it WAS a plastic knife from that?
      And while almost anything COULD be used as a weapon the laws about carrying knives are very well understood. A chef carrying a set of knives to work has a reasonable explanation, this guy didn’t
      
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      July 5, 2024 4:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        ” thermoplastic polymer”
        Do you know what that is? Plastic has many forms.
        Stop it Mike.
        
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        July 5, 2024 6:43pm
- cmm
  
  The real question is why he was carrying the plastic knife.
  
  If he was carrying it to wave it around and threaten people then that’s clearly a problem. Armed robbery with a platic knife is still armed robbery.
  
  I routinely carry two or three knives with me. In the past I have carried pistols. That does not mean I have been out to hurt people.
  
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  July 5, 2024 3:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Big Mike will be the next President.
I still say Hillary (egg on my face?), but this is interesting.

https://feedsnorth.com/potential-presidential-run-michelle-obama-in-the-spotlight/
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July 5, 2024 9:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Here’s a thought. Big Mike may run and if he wins then resign, seeing as he does not want to be in Politics. Where does that leave America then. Who will be the VP who will become President?
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:41am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Are suggesting that Michelle Obama is male?
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:29am
    - Mike
      
      He repeatedly claims that. The deranged Redbaiter used to make the claim here and there was another commenter who claimed, in addition, that Barack Obama was a transexual prostitute.
      
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      July 5, 2024 10:39am
    - Jethrod
      
      Steve sees amazing things in his LBGTQI Etc crystalball
      
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      July 5, 2024 10:56am
    - RichardX
      
      And Otto claims that people who make stuff up about ex President’s wives are “low life scum”.
      
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      July 5, 2024 12:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Can you prove he is not? There are many wanger shaped photos/videos.
      Here is one.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drvm4V22lp0
      
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      July 5, 2024 1:54pm
      - Mike
        
        Can you prove you’re not insane, Steve?
        
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        July 5, 2024 2:56pm
      - Ghost
        
        Man you’re as gullible as they come, a scammer must make a fortune out of you, oh wait, you do donate to a conartist
        
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        July 5, 2024 3:23pm
  - Ghost
    
    And yet plenty of pictures of Michelle growing up.
    
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    July 5, 2024 11:01am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dP19heLW5U
Fatima Payman leaves the Labor Party after days of speculation.
Senator Fatima Payman has quit the Labor Party but will remain in the Upper House, representing Western Australia on the crossbench.
The defection follows her crossing the floor on a motion on Palestinian statehood.
The Senator says she faced death threats and intimidation while weighing up her political future. [Ooh er. ‘death threats’, and ‘intimidation’. In other news, ducks like water, and dogs bark. Oh yeah, and Brandon has dementia.]
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July 5, 2024 9:42am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1UlXVomJq0
France’s Insane Election Results Explained.
Sunday’s election saw Le Pen’s far right party leading the popular vote while Macron’s coalition languished in third, setting up a chaotic second round of the election. So in this video, we’ll explain the results and why they’re so unprecedented.
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July 5, 2024 9:43am
kevn

But everyone wants lollies…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13598141/If-Labour-win-today-warn-not-home-run-business-drive-car-save-money-turn-heating-rely-pension-good-news-tactical-voting-guide-STOP-IT.html
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July 5, 2024 9:46am
- Jethrod
  
  Reading thru that Daily News bit, it looks like the Reform party has taken the edge off around 130 Conservative seats, so much so if Farrag hadn’t run things could have looked a lot different. So adding 130 to the 60 odd that the Blues will get equals 190. No super majority.
  
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  July 5, 2024 10:33am
Tom Hunter

The MSM and the Democrat Party are not going to get out of the hole they’ve dug for themselves by covering for Biden over the last five years, but it sure is funny watching them try.

First off, there are more leaks coming out of the online meeting held between Biden and the Democrat Governors several days ago. In other words the usual, slimy political process of “off the record” is in full swing. They want him gone before he kills them.

But now one of the media centre-pieces of the Democrat-MSM complex, New York Magazine, has come out with a report they claim they’ve been working on for months which has off-the-record quotes from friends and outer family circles about Biden’s condition. But the reporter herself gets in on the action:

My heart stopped as I extended my hand to greet the president. I tried to make eye contact, but it was like his eyes, though open, were not on. His face had a waxy quality. He smiled. It was a sweet smile. It made me sad in a way I can’t fully convey. I always thought — and I wrote — that he was a decent man. If ambition was his only sin, and it seemed to be, he had committed no sin at all by the standards of most politicians I had covered. He took my hand in his, and I was startled by how it felt. Not cold but cool. The basement was so warm that people were sweating and complaining that they were sweating. This was a silly black-tie affair. I said “hello.” His sweet smile stayed frozen. He spoke very slowly and in a very soft voice. “And what’s your name?” he asked.

Woah there! Are you sure that wasn’t a “Cheap Fake” you encountered?

Where the fuck were all these assholes in 2023 – or better yet in 2019 and 2020? Even then it was obvious to everybody that Biden had slipped a long way and was slipping faster.

The answer was that they’d whipped themselves into such a hysterical state about the Orange Monster that they were willing to put a senile-dementia patient in charge of the nuclear codes.

I must re-watch Being There again. In the 1980’s it seemed too laughable to be real, but then again plenty of Lefties I knew saw it and winked about it had already happened: “Ronnie Raygun” I recall being one of the fave phrases.
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July 5, 2024 10:14am
- Mike
  
  Oh yes Tom, and Biden and Reagan are not the only presidents who ended their terms mentally incapable of holding office.
  See this great book: When Illness Strikes the Leader: the Dilemma of the Captive King.
  
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  July 5, 2024 10:47am
- rouppe
  
  Where the fuck were all these assholes in 2023 – or better yet in 2019 and 2020? Even then it was obvious to everybody that…
  
  Same can be said here. Gushing support for Jacinda even when it was clear she was behaving like an over-reaching dictator
  
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  July 5, 2024 1:46pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/te-puna-station-rd-hapu-urges-council-to-protect-area-with-significant-mana/MGPB2D3KNRGYVEQJ5ECK5CHPWU/

Why is it that Maori want to close roads to special areas to block non-maori from getting to their homes, yet maori owned farm land in that area is run over by gorse and noxious plants?

Land can’t be that special.
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July 5, 2024 11:02am
Tom Hunter

This will leave a mark as someone has tracked down a video from the past.

Elder Abuse Reporting Hotline

A service being pushed in TV advertising by the Delaware Attorney General of the time. A guy called Beau Biden! 🙂
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July 5, 2024 11:24am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The United Spot.
Happy Independence Day from Nancy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzOdlLIMiU
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July 5, 2024 11:27am
Swifty

Rewarding bad behaviour:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-aunt-loasi-latu-granted-visa-after-deportation-battle/GM4UCBPZPREQ7O66FJAMC2B74U/
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July 5, 2024 2:37pm
- Ghost
  
  I don’t mind this one. She’s going to be looking after her brother, that saves the tax payer the money it would cost to have someone else do it. Also I’d rather family look after their family members that need it.
  
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  July 5, 2024 3:01pm
  - Keith White
    
    What part of they broke the law and are staying here illegally is hard to understand? Productive taxpayers built and paid for everything they are using and they while yes they are sympathetic grifters, they are still grifting and illegal.
    
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    July 5, 2024 6:45pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Sure. And all three of them could be happy in Tonga, what them being Tongan and all. But no, they want to stay here, at NZ taxpayer expense.
    
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    July 5, 2024 8:18pm
    - Ghost
      
      Her brother is a nz resident
      
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      July 5, 2024 8:27pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Which in itself is interesting. From the reporting, he has an intellectual disability which one would assume is life-long. He is a Tongan, so on what grounds did he get NZ Residency?
        
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        July 6, 2024 5:05am
cmm

For the last month a bunch of associates and I have been chasing a very gnarly bug that is impacting tens of thousands of customers. Today, I think I found the problem – to do with time setting and the age of some data files.

It is possible that this line of thinking was triggered by watching a word salad speech by the American VP Kamala Harris on the Significance of the Passage Of Time.

You all know the one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DvAmoMGK80

If this indeed fixes the bug, I owe this wise woman an apology for the derision I have shown her and I’ll have to send her $10 for her campaign.
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July 5, 2024 2:44pm
cmm

As much as I hate people driving while distracted (especially fiddling with their phones), I feel some conflict in this case.

… [Deleted. I understand your sentiment, but we don’t say stuff like this here sorry. mod.]
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/sam-rasmussen-death-auckland-woman-charged-with-new-lynn-crash-that-killed-head-hunter/G5EY4OC5KBAJNIHDQNBYLZVZOA/
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July 5, 2024 3:07pm
Ghost

A student has been seriously hurt and taken to hospital after an assault at Wellington Girls’ College.

Yet

“The students involved are safe and their parents are with them,” said Davidson.

“Our thoughts are with everyone involved. This is an isolated and very sad incident.”

Article
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July 5, 2024 3:22pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Yes it is like the victim is less important than the perps……
  
  Maybe there is more to it than meets the journo eye?
  
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  July 5, 2024 3:35pm
- MCōs
  
  “But, a Wellington woman said she was not suprised about a serious assault at the school.
  She said it seemed violence between young people was increasingly common.”
  
  Who was this Wellington woman?
  Someone the reporter spotted standing round in the street?
  
  Fights between school children are not uncommon. Both on the school premises and elsewhere. It’s just that we don’t hear about most of them.
  A niece of mine was teaching at a down market primary school in Dublin. One little five year old was on the boisterous side. He told my niece he liked a ‘good fucking fight’
  
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  July 5, 2024 4:00pm
Jack5

Minefield dead-ahead for the National Coalition – mental health.

The lone psychiatrist doing a three-specialist job in Kapiti has left and is telling how bad the shortage is, and how bad it’s going to get. The mental health system as a whole is running on four-fifths of the psychiatrists it needs, and with median-average age 55, it’s going to get worse.

Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey talks of immigrants as a help, but the word around is that NZ is now finding it hard to recruit overseas health specialists of all types.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521332/psychiatrist-doing-job-of-three-resigns-after-being-denied-panic-button
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July 5, 2024 3:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Secret Dem. plot to topple Biden is underway after Dem govs angered.
Well it’s not that secret. Disney heiress is calling the shots.
Netflix as well turning off the tap.
Fight you Democrats!!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/secret-dem-plot-to-topple-biden-is-underway-after-dem-govs-angered/ar-BB1pqXqw?
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July 5, 2024 3:40pm
mogg

During the whole of this election campaign the UK media have been sneering at Farage, ‘ well they are not sneering now’. Farage is an MP with a voice in parliament and tax payer funding to support his party organisation.
He is a very savy political operator who is prepared to put into words what the silent majority are thinking, the BBC will be horrified, Populism is popular.
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July 5, 2024 3:42pm
- MCōs
  
  Farage’s party is projected to win four seats out of 650+.
  Obviously he not putting into words what the ‘silent’ majority is thinking, probably because he’s loathed by the majority, silent or otherwise
  
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  July 5, 2024 4:17pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    He’s won five now, not as loathed as you thought aye Cossy
    
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    July 5, 2024 4:19pm
    - kowtow
      
      Not only has he won 5 , he’s basically taught the Conservatives they need to be conservative , if they’ll learn .
      
      Badenock and Braverman have retained their seats . Perhaps these women might be able to lead the party back , who knows.
      
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      July 5, 2024 4:29pm
      - MCōs
        
        Back down to four
        
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        July 5, 2024 6:19pm
    - MCōs
      
      I might have been lead astray by the Marxist BBC you think?
      Prime Minister Farage
      My family live in West Worcestershire and the electorate, despite a drop of 24% remain comfortably conservative
      Labour gone down too!
      
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      July 5, 2024 4:41pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        Nah mate you need to listen to the BBC in Pidgin.
        https://www.bbc.com/pidgin
        At four million votes and only five seats i think we will be seeing some electoral reform, hah.
        
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        July 5, 2024 4:49pm
greybeard

A Labour UK government.
So: Unions, pro-Palestine, anti-Semitism, pro-Muslims, unlimited immigration, high taxes, end of “Great Britain”.
At least NZ will get some quality immigrants in the near future.
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July 5, 2024 4:24pm
- kowtow
  
  Women with willies .
  
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  July 5, 2024 4:26pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    We call them “men”
    
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    July 5, 2024 8:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Treaty Principles Bill. Jack Tame taken to task! He is an activist.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/why-we-must-support-the-treaty-principles-bill-part-4/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMPYVrgaD34
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July 5, 2024 4:43pm
cmm

Two buggers set a house on fire, one managing to burn himself.

The cops seem to be more worried about the bloke who got burned: One of those involved appears to have sustained burns and there are concerns they may be injured and avoiding treatment they require,” police said.

Perhaps I am not suited to being a cop. I don’t care that he got burned. I had a good laugh at his expense. Pity he didn’t kill himself.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350333871/watch-moment-two-people-set-house-fire-police-hunting-them
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July 5, 2024 4:59pm
- AitchW
  
  What a moron. That must hurt, how sad.
  Oh, the humanity. ///
  
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  July 5, 2024 5:51pm
Maggie Pie

Just back from lunch with the gurls. Oh dear 😎

But hey… police relaese CCTV images of the 200kg Mori woman suspectd of beating the crap out of that poor Chinese kid with a bar on the bus!!

https://x.com/NZPoliceMedia/status/1809079804257522114

How come all the CCTV images (4) are always such shite??
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July 5, 2024 5:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yep we see image of the kid, but no video of the knucklehead attacking him.
  How come? Special people?
  Screenshot done now.
  
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  July 5, 2024 6:51pm
  - DimChappie
    
    Yes Steve and a long delay in releasing the pix when the attack was last Friday. BTW I think she weighs closer to 150kg. She looks disguised with a big face mask in one of the photos. Pretty sure she has a long mental health/criminal history and will be recognised. Bet she listens to Maori Party racist crap.
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:31pm
John Loveridge

Poor old Joe Biden’s still struggling to get over his jet lag, it seems.
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July 5, 2024 5:48pm
Sparrow

Just watched the end of News First. Eric Young gave a very dignified and heartfelt farewell.
I have only fairly recently started to watch News First as ran out of patience with TV1 and 3 did not want to hear so called journalists opinions. At least News First was only 30mins. I seldom watch 1 or 3 but last night I happened to be checking on the programmes and found myself on the biggest load of crap I have ever seen on NZ TV. Its called 7 days and suppose to be funny. If you can keep crap like this going whilst shutting down News the channel does not deserve to survive.
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July 5, 2024 6:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Eric Young has always been a professional.
  
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  July 5, 2024 7:16pm
- rouppe
  
  7 days is as funny as cold sick
  
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  July 5, 2024 9:02pm
  - AitchW
    
    It’s really not as funny as that….
    
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    July 5, 2024 10:03pm
Ghost

Looks like tv3 has now also cancelled Paddy Gower Has Issues.

Thank you tv3 😁
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July 5, 2024 6:25pm
- John Loveridge
  
  NZ On Air declined to fund him. “We’re sorry Paddy, you’re just too ugly.”
  
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  July 5, 2024 6:53pm
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  The final tv3 news was stomach turning. Sad for them, fine, but the arrogance on show. Give me a break.
  
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  July 5, 2024 7:03pm
Ghost

Well, what’s wrong with this. He just identifies as a black woman……

Joe Biden has said he is “proud” to be the first “black woman to serve with a black president” in one of a series of verbal gaffes as the USA celebrated Independence Day.

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