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NeverMindTheBollocks

This one has been brewing for years. Wakefield Park is on the main drag between Island Bay and the City. Selfish cyclists turned down the opportunity to have the cycleway routed away from the road and park. In effect they’ve insisted (and Council acquiesced) on the removal of on-street parking that forms 90% of what’s available for visiting players.

Wakefield Park has two floodlit artificial turf and two grass fields. A community facility, in winter it’s overflowing with soccer players of all ages from all over the region from early morning to late at night. Adult teams, let alone those of kids or youth, from Wainuiomata or Upper Hutt or the Kapiti Coast can’t get there by public transport in any reasonable way; cars are the only option.

Note that adult soccer teams pay subs in excess of $5k pa. Much of that money goes to Council for ground fees.

So here we have cyclists, who pay the Council not a bean for pursuing their hobby on public land, riding roughshod over people who fork out heavily to pursue their hobby on public land.

Doesn’t seem fair, does it?

https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350327112/footie-parents-vs-council-over-wellington-parking-showdown/
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July 2, 2024 8:01am
- surfing
  
  It reminds me of Tauranga council and their stupid road changes along Maunganui Road… blocking right hand turns, forcing drivers to turn left and do a u-turn at the next roundabout, the narrowing of the road so that people can no longer parallel park without blocking rush hour traffic.
  
  Its the complete opposite to other countries who try to make traffic flow efficient.
  
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  July 2, 2024 12:41pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    Plenty of shit like that has happened in Christchurch. The holier-than-thou attitude of the cycling lobby fucks me off. And then on a day like today, raining heavily and cold, not one of them is to be seen. They’ve abandoned their principles for the warmth of a car.
    
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    July 2, 2024 8:11pm
Scott

Check out Shane Jones telling it straight that the majority of Maori people want the same things as the rest of NZ. They want their kids educated, they want to become more prosperous.

https://youtu.be/XtvJ9u6g6G4?si=2jPHaV9HqVSTy41d

Jones is making no excuses, we must use our natural resources to turbo charge the economy and build prosperity for all NZers. We can’t become a backwards looking Flintstones economy because of the Greens. That will just make us poorer.

I know some people want Chris Luxon to talk like this. But Shane Jones and Winston Peters are doing the rhetorical heavy lifting on race relations and envonmentalism. Luxon is the measured chairman of the board. And that’s exactly right, in the face of a hostile media and a woke electorate.

National and the coalition are doing great. They want to use mining for example to boost our economy. They are aiming to make us a prosperous first world nation. Not a tribal 3rd world hell hole. Which is where the previous govt was leading us.

And that’s why we need to support this government. Especially some inveterate detractors on this blog. You know who you are. 😎
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July 2, 2024 8:02am
- Matt Long
  
  All kudos to Christopher Luxon for not having the courage to shut Jones and Peters down.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:40am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Matt Long bro – If he does that he will be gone by dinner time.
    
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    July 2, 2024 11:51am
  - pdm
    
    Matt I doubt he has the balls to even try to shut them down.
    
    He prefers easier targets in his own caucus.
    
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    July 2, 2024 12:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Waitangi Tribunal to get the kina cut. Lave that!
  Shane Jones is speaking the truth. As for Chris Luxon, well, he is a woke Maori activist.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:56am
  - Jack5
    
    A bigger emerging Luxon controversy should surely entice DPF to put up a separate thread on it today.
    
    I’m talking of the Government decisions on propping up the media, announced today.
    
    Luxon rejected media reform plans of his junior minister, Melissa Lee, until he transferred the task to Paul Goldsmith, who’s given him what he wants.
    
    Lee spelled out her rational plans in an article for Kiwiblog well before the general election.
    
    National as Labour Lite? National as Labour Helium Lite.
    
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-taking-action-support-media-sector
    
    And “Herald” Currie’s take on Luxon’s media support:
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shortland-street-handed-lifeline-media-firms-set-to-earn-revenue-from-facebook-google/P3AQTRPVKZENZK4SGCAZLIMKPQ/
    
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    July 2, 2024 10:12am
    - Jack5
      
      Note the support for Luxon’s media prop-up from Wily-Willie Jackson, of Labour, the man who inspired the Maorification of Radio NZ. The Herald reports Wily:
      
      “I am relieved the Government is seeing sense and progressing with legislation to make the media landscape fairer for news companies operating online,” said Labour media and communications spokesman Willie Jackson.
      
      The Coalition wasn’t meant to include Labour’s Far Left, Mr Luxon.
      
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      July 2, 2024 10:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Love that* ffs!
    
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    July 2, 2024 11:32am
- Grunter
  
  Scott – I get what you are saying, but I down-ticked you, purely on your last paragraph. Luxon represents a woke socialist version of National. Maybe that’s the reality of the state of NZ. But that does not mean we ALL have to support him without pushback.
  
  I for one will never “support” any Govt that spends more than it takes and increases taxes by stealth (bracket creep) – that is socialism.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:57am
  - Ian Boag
    
    I .. will never “support” any Govt … increases taxes by stealth (bracket creep)
    
    Must be a while since there was any government you could support then. It’s been a long time since anyone did anything about it …
    
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    July 2, 2024 11:20am
    - Grunter
      
      Yep, you are correct! Probably back to the 1980’s when Sir Roger ran the books (and yes I did vote for him….)
      
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      July 2, 2024 11:35am
- Bevan
  
  I know some people want Chris Luxon to talk like this. But Shane Jones and Winston Peters are doing the rhetorical heavy lifting on race relations and envonmentalism.
  
  If Luxon was to say these things he would be labelled as anti-Maori, best he just lets Winston and Shane loose on this.
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:16am
- Mod88
  
  Yet not a peep on the Coastal Claims and the hidden fish-hook in the Fast Track Legislation is Iwi get a say but everyone else does not. So far all Shane Jones’ has done is talk, hot air mostly.
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:51am
  - Damocles11
    
    That’s what a lot of people seem to want. Some big talking bluster that gives vent to their frustrations, then they go back to sleep while our democracy is incrementally taken away from us. It’s quite baffling / sickening.
    
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    July 2, 2024 11:57am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Scott bro – wake up and smell the weed. You won’t be so chirpy when the coalition of chaos explodes spectacularly in 2025.
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:50am
Cassandra

Donald Trump on his debate with Joe Biden: In all fairness, and I say in complete and total modesty, many, on both sides of the political spectrum, have said it was the greatest single debate performance in the long and storied history of Presidential Debates. 🎺
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July 2, 2024 8:04am
- RoboRob
  
  When you watch the All blacks v Kraplakistan, the all blacks always look great, no matter how average the team.
  
  Someone with their wits vs someone with dementia, not a fair fight. But one that Biden and his team chose. Their rules, their network, their hosts and they still lost.
  
  Biden does ok when he reads from a teleprompter, in the same way a stoned & drunk rockstar can still play guitar in a concert, because they have done it for so many years its muscle memory. Take away the teleprompter and he is gone.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:56am
Chuck Bird

The latest US Supreme Court decision will strengthen Trump’s chances.
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July 2, 2024 8:04am
- Bridgenag
  
  Yes …. From Malones post “When elected, Trump now has the tools to go after the deep state with the new Supreme Court overturning the Chevron Deference, which has determined that the administrative state can’t make up it’s own laws.
  
  Furthermore, the Trump classified documents case is now treading water and going nowhere fast.”
  
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  July 2, 2024 8:14am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Justices ‘fear for democracy’ in dissent on Trump immunity
  
  “Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival?” Justice Sotomayor wrote. “Immune.”
  “Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.”
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c035zqe7lgro
  
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  July 2, 2024 8:30am
  - kowtow
    
    I wonder what the Dissenting Democrat Justices would make of their darling’s Obama’s affront to Pakistani sovereignty in invading the compound at Abbotabad , murdering Bin Laden’s family and spiriting his body away for a secret ‘burial’ at sea .
    
    It’s different when the Left do it.
    
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    July 2, 2024 9:51am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Yes it most certainly is.
      
      Osama Bin Laden was the head of a terrorist group that planned 9/11, and an earlier attack on the WTC, as well as numerous other attacks against US and global interests. He was a legitimate target.
      
      Now please explain to me how it was that after that, President Obama didn’t feel he had to apply to the SCOTUS for immunity.
      
      Then explain to me why Trump has!
      
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      July 2, 2024 11:07am
      - RichardX
        
        Osama Bin Laden was the head of a terrorist group that planned 9/11, and an earlier attack on the WTC, as well as numerous other attacks against US and global interests. He was a legitimate target.
        
        Now please explain to me how it was that after that, President Obama didn’t feel he had to apply to the SCOTUS for immunity.
        
        Then explain to me why Trump has!
        
        You agree Bin Laden was a “legitimate target” so taking him out was deemed to be part of the President’s official acts.
        
        Now make the case that Trump’s actions in Georgia or over the documents in Florida were also part of the President’s official acts.
        
        You note of course that the Supreme Court avoided a decision on whether Trump’s actions in Georgia or over the documents in Florida were part of the President’s official acts.
        
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        July 2, 2024 12:57pm
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        Richard, you have intentionally or unintentionally stumbled on to the fundamental point in play here.
        Who decides what is or is not ‘official’, and when do they do so?
        Does that decision rest with the President at the time?
        How is it that a President may decide what is or is not official and act accordingly, only to have his actions validated after the fact?
        Where there is no accountability, how does a leader get held to account?
        This is somewhat of a moot point though, in that the SCOTUS just wanted to defer the criminal trial until after the election, and hope that Trump is returned to power, where he exercise his presidential authority, declare all his acts ‘official’, and effectively grant himself retrospective immunity for everything that he’s done wrong.
        
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        July 2, 2024 1:25pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Clinton bombed a TV station because he didn’t like the news they were putting out. It’s easy to come up with examples of political acts that merit criminal prosecution. It’s not easy to come up with a rule that properly separates what should and should not be prosecuted, without putting every leader at risk of a politically motivated prosecution if the other side later gains power.
    
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    July 2, 2024 9:59am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      That was a NATO led operation. Whilst the US was a major player in NATO at the time, there is a significantly larger back story to that than Clinton ‘didn’t like the news they were putting out.’
      
      There was considerable evidence that the building was being used for the broadcast of propaganda in support of the Serbians that were undertaking ethnic cleansing, and that the building was a part of the military communications network, which made it a valid military target. This has been confirmed by the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia.
      
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      July 2, 2024 11:27am
  - RoboRob
    
    The reason presidential immunity has never been before the courts before is that there has been no need. For centuries people have understood that you cant lodge criminal charges against a leader after they leave office. It’s why, for example, Bush (and Tony Blair) were never charged for lying about weapons of mass destruction to start a war. Obama wasn’t charged for Drone attacks that killed innocent people etc.
    
    The Dems and media, with their hatred of Trump threw all that out the window with their multiple impeachments and multiple criminal charges of Trump. The court was then forced to clarify, what should have always been obvious. It is sad that the court was forced to have to make the decision and sad the Dem appointees couldn’t find the integrity to join the majority.
    
    The claims around seal team six etc are stupid. There are checks and balances in the system that prevent Presidents assassinating political opponents. First and foremost would be seal team six refusing to follow orders and likely forcing impeachment.
    
    These are the same checks and balances that Dems themselves have tried to work around. First with Obama sicking the IRS on political opponents, with that eventually being stopped. Then with Biden using the government to manipulate social media sites.
    
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    July 2, 2024 10:06am
    - RichardX
      
      Do you believe Nixon needed the pardon he received to prevent him facing charges over Watergate?
      
      Do you believe that everything a President does while President can be classed as “core official acts”?
      
      Do you think that this Supreme Court decision clarified existing law on what constitutes “core official acts” which grant and always have granted immunity for the President?
      
      Even Amy Coney Barrett expressed frustration with how the court was sending the case back down for more proceedings to determine what constitutes “core official acts” for the President.
      
      It is almost as if the Supreme Court wanted to further delay any proceedings that involve potential Presidential immunity.
      Why would they want to do that?
      
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      July 2, 2024 12:32pm
      - RoboRob
        
        yes
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        no
        
        The Supreme court makes constitutional decisions. It is up to other law makers to iron out what is and isn’t a official act. Generally it should be obvious.
        
        If someone challenges the lower courts rulings it goes back to the supreme court.
        
        Its not purposely delaying things, its how the law works in the US (and many other countries).
        
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        July 2, 2024 4:12pm
      - RichardX
        
        You forget it was Trump who took this to SCOTUS claiming absolute immunity.
        
        Were the actions for which Trump has been indicted in Georgia & Florida official acts of the President and how did you make that determination?
        
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        July 2, 2024 5:36pm
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Oh give me a break, please.
      
      Trump is the biggest manipulator of social media sites there is. Not only did he CREATE one, he then used it to leverage a stock deal to try and replenish his ever decreasing finances.
      
      The impeachment hearings were useless because of partisan politics.
      
      The reason that presidential immunity has never been an issue before is because there has never been a need for it, until Donald Trump.
      
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      July 2, 2024 1:34pm
      - RoboRob
        
        Every president has done something that could be classified as illegal. I listed two in my example, others here have listed more. Stop focusing on Trump and think about the system and what is better for the country. Do you want a president terrified of making decisions in case they later get personally sued?
        
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        July 2, 2024 4:21pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    What a bunch of political hacks. The majority decision confirms presidential immunity for *official* acts, that is those things done in accordance with law.
    
    Is Sotomayor suggesting there’s a law that gives the president the power to knock off a political opponent? Or that a law exists that gives the president the power to organise a military coup?
    
    No, there isn’t.
    
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    July 2, 2024 10:08am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      A majority decision based on what majority?
      
      Lets look at the last 4 appointees to the SCOTUS.
      
      Neil Gorsuch was appointed after a filibuster when Senate Republicans refused to allow Barack Obama to fill a vacant space on the SCOTUS after the death of Justice Scalia in 2016. (Mitch McConnell claimed that Democrats could not appoint a SCOTUS justice in the lead up to a presidential election, but did the exact opposite in 2020, appointing Amy Coney Barrett one month before the 2020 election.)
      
      Brett Kavanagh, appointed by Trump in 2018, and the aforementioned Amy Coney Barrett in 2020, both appointed by a President who won the electoral college, but not the popular vote, which calls in to question their legitimacy.
      
      Ketanji Brown, the only one of the last 4 justices to be appointed by a sitting president with a popular majority.
      
      Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito are both compromised. Arguably either Gorsuch or Barrett should not be there, if a uniform application on the rules around appointments is applied.
      
      The SCOTUS is politically skewed, and no longer fit for purpose.
      
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      July 2, 2024 1:49pm
      - herb1
        
        So only highly qualified judges that support your, and other left wing disciples, views , are acceptable?
        
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        July 2, 2024 7:56pm
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Who decides what is ‘official’ and more importantly, when?
      
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      July 2, 2024 1:51pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Obama declared a US citizen a terrorist and had him murdered. No trial. Immune. Sauce for the goose…
    
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    July 2, 2024 10:29am
slightlyrighty

I watched some of the 2020 presidential debate to see just how far Biden has declined in ther last 4 years.

If you haven’t done this yet, I suggest that you do. It’s sad to see how far he has deteriorated. He should not be standing.
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July 2, 2024 8:12am
- Matt Long
  
  I’m looking forward to a record 500 million Americans voting for Biden this election.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump: “I don’t know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don’t think he knows what he said either.”
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:11am
  - RoboRob
    
    One of the best one liners ever.
    
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    July 2, 2024 11:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I thought it was straight off the bat.
      
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      July 2, 2024 12:15pm
      - jkt
        
        The man is a real genius. A debater with no equal….
        
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        July 2, 2024 1:08pm
      - Colville
        
        If you believe that wasnt written by someone else and well practiced then I have a bridge to sell you.
        
        Its call rehearsing. The 7 P’s!!
        
        Perfect Prior Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance!
        
        Its what Biden TRIED to do!
        
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        July 2, 2024 3:46pm
- Damocles11
  
  The debate was days ago, and has been commented on here extensively. Are these repetitive types of threads started to clog up the site & deflect from what is happening here in New Zealand (i.e. ‘Kiwiblog’)? We have more than enough to discuss regarding topics such as Luxon’s efforts to imitate the likes of Sunak and Macron.
  
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  July 2, 2024 12:01pm
Bridgenag

The News is Coming in so Thick and Heavy,
You could cut it with a knife

“First off, my friend and colleague, Steve Bannon, is now being processed at FCI Danbury, a low-level federal prison in Connecticut. This truly is terrible news, and it sickens me that Congress has not acted in a coordinated fashion to ensure his release.

To be very clear, the shadow government has been taking down the “alternative” news voices and outlets leading up to the election.

The multiple gag orders placed on Trump, starting in the spring of 2024 – meant to keep him quiet at a critical time.
Peter Navarro was thrown in jail just months before the election, silencing his voice at a critical time.
Steve Bannon is being jailed and will serve from July 1st to October 30th. To be released, just days before the election. Silencing his voice at a critical time.
The Epoch Times VP of Finance was indicted six months before the election, even though the crimes were committed years ago with MSM making false and inflammatory allegations about the newspaper itself.
This month, it appears that Alex Jones will have his studio shuttered by the Feds.
The question is, who will this shadowy government and DoJ come after next?”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/the-news-is-coming-in-so-thick-and?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 2, 2024 8:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Steve Bannon can still make a noise from the inside and Alex Jones says Infowars will never die.
  
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  July 2, 2024 8:29am
  - MCōs
    
    As you know Alex Jones denied that the Sandy Hook massacre actually occurred, asserting that it was faked. He accused the parents of being actors and all the rest.
    The parents not only lost their kids, but they are still being hassled by people who believe Jones was right all along
    Jones shot to even more prominence on the backs of these people
    The guy has no moral fibre
    Do you agree with his power at all costs tactics?
    
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    July 2, 2024 10:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He’s crazy but fun.
      Some $13M crazy.
      
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      July 2, 2024 11:34am
      - MCōs
        
        Ask the Sandy Hook parents how much fun
        
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        July 2, 2024 12:36pm
      - MCōs
        
        According to ‘A Life of Contrasts: The Autobiography of Diana Mitford Mosley’, wife of fascist Oswald Mosley, both of whom were interned for the duration of WWII for their association with the Nazis, Adolf Hitler was a fun guy in private with impeccable manners
        Some of the other Nazis, not so much.
        
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        July 2, 2024 1:09pm
    - mawm
      
      MCos- “Do you agree with his power at all costs tactics?” – No but he is just one individual with 1st amendment rights. Now let’s apply your standard to the current Administration.
      
      “The guy has no moral fibre” – Biden has shown us that this applies to him. He’s credibly accused of sexual assault. He a racist as shown on many occasions eg bussing students, Justice Thomas confirmation hearing. He’s a liar and plagiarist – again many examples. This also applies to many members of his Administration and in the Democratic Party.
      
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      July 2, 2024 12:55pm
      - RichardX
        
        Does Biden’s lack of moral fiber make Alex Jones lack of moral fiber OK?
        
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        July 2, 2024 1:18pm
      - jkt
        
        The one guy was found liable by a jury made up of his peers. Great guy! some say.
        The other guys was found guilty by social media. Bad guy! some say.
        
        For real..😧 what does this say of “some” or … us!
        
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        July 2, 2024 2:50pm
      - mawm
        
        RichardX – No it doesn’t but it is as a comparison to power at all costs and the double standards of the American DOJ and democratic politicians. I thought that was obvious in my comment.
        
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        July 2, 2024 7:32pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      As you should know, Jones admitted he was wrong and apologised years ago. Imagine if you were still hounded, shamed and persecuted for something dumb you said 12 years ago AND apologised for.
      
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      July 2, 2024 1:18pm
      - RichardX
        
        You make him sound like an innocent petal who once had a slip of the tongue 12 years ago and said something he shouldn’t have and subsequently apologised from the goodness of his heart.
        
        The reality is quite different isn’t it?
        
        As you should know, he repeated his claims many times over many years, earning himself 10s of millions of dollars from his gullible listeners.
        
        As you should know, Jones was found guilty of contempt of court for lying in his defamation case, even before it made it to the courtroom.
        
        As you should know, Jones was found guilty of defamation.
        
        As you should know, in his own testimony in his defamation case which took place in 2022 Jones stated ”But, I legitimately thought it might have been staged, and I stand by that. I don’t apologize for it.”
        
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        July 2, 2024 3:33pm
      - Ghost
        
        Jones is probably the biggest piece of lying shit in alternative media. This is the same dick who rang fbi and reported a dj at the radio station he was working at was a terrorist. In typical Jones fashion when that dj called him out on it and wanted to sort it out in the car park, Jones ran away.
        
        Jones has been lying and misleading gullible idiots for a long time
        
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        July 2, 2024 3:47pm
      - Colville
        
        ISeeRed.
        
        Do you have an ex wife?
        
        Well then you would know what its like…!! 🙂
        
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        July 2, 2024 3:49pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/toddler-killed-after-oranga-tamariki-gave-judge-deficient-report-re-bail-variation/4YJJAYPXKBAYZIUMIXDTNAU7JQ/

9 years for the coroner to finish a report? Even a complex case shouldn’t take more than a couple of months?
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July 2, 2024 8:18am
kowtow

If any case epitomises how dreadful our justice/social welfare system is it is the report in today’s Herald by the Coroner on the murder of a 17 month old child in October 2015 in his bed at home at the hands of a violent criminal with a very long conviction history who was bailed to that address partly because the “OT” the Ministry of Children changed a negative report on the offender to enable the bail even though a previous report had said he was a threat.
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July 2, 2024 8:18am
- Scooter
  
  And we wring our hands each time a child is killed or continues to live in a home with abuse etc, “oh we can’t let this ever happen again” yet the powers that be have a lot to answer for yet never are held to account.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:56am
Matt Long

Can anyone explain to me why the perfidious Zionist attacks only civilians, women and children mainly in Gaza, but in Lebanon they kill Hezbollah terrorists?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/29/hezbollahs-plans-israels-threats-is-either-side-ready-for-war
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July 2, 2024 8:27am
- fernglas
  
  Because Al Jazeera and Hamas are both Sunni, whereas Hezbollah is Shia.
  
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  July 2, 2024 8:36am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Remarkable. It’s like all of the journalists in Gaza work for Hamas or something!
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:08am
- softail 1450
  
  Matt Long ,excellent point . something to do with their relationship with Iran I’d guess.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:21am
- Master Mariner
  
  From the Article and I somewhat agree,
  
  “However, some Israeli officials have expressed doubts about the idea of a complete defeat of Hamas, underlining that Hamas is an idea and ideas cannot be eradicated.”
  
  As they are “Corralled” into Rafah, There is no difference between Hamas and Ordinary citizen or extremely hard to differentiate.
  Where as Hezbollah are more structured like an ordinary Army. etc.
  That would be my take.
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:34am
kowtow

Talking of the media and trust , there’s a short report in the Herald of a shooting at a wedding party in France involving automatic weapons where one died and 3 injured.
Police allege a drug connection.
But why would the Herald leave out one little word .
“Turkish”.
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July 2, 2024 8:29am
Maggie Pie

Toilets are culturally significant for Maori?

WATCH….

https://x.com/bobmccoskrienz/status/1807511540733739462
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July 2, 2024 8:36am
- peterwn
  
  But ‘Crapper’ brand and similar toilets (including modern ones) were yet another insidious effects of colonisation.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:04am
  - Paulus
    
    Dr Crapper from Northampton (UK) would be amazed at his invention of the WC in today’s world.
    
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    July 2, 2024 11:13am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The Maori Party and the Green Party consider white citizens their enemy.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:11am
SimonRAnderson

Yesterday I posted a Top Ten List of Questions the Media Don’t Ask Chloe Swarbrick which garnered some interesting additions.

Enjoy.
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July 2, 2024 8:44am
imalwaysright

Have all, or any, of the people involved in the Manurewa election case have been suspended during the investigations?

If not, then why would potential criminals be allowed ongoing access to the crime scene?
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July 2, 2024 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  Ah but it’s a charity . How about the state stop plundering our taxes to be redistributed into election interference .
  
  Great though that te legacy media paahti are onto this with such vehemence , sound , fire and fury…….
  
  oh wait the target isn’t a rich white priveliged lad who went to private boarding school……..
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The mad one is at it already:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/aoc-calls-impeachment-corrupt-supreme-193700677.html
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July 2, 2024 9:06am
- Mrs_Right
  
  Horrible woman.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:36am
- RoboRob
  
  Lol, the Dems keep talking about voting for them to protect democracy while they continue to try and destroy the supreme court. First with attempts to turn it into a puppet by loading it with additional Dem justices. Then publicly attacking the Justices that don’t decide the way Dems want. AOC discussing the law with the stupidest supreme court judge would make her look like Biden in that last debate.
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:14am
peterwn

Stuff headline:
“NZ weather live: Interislander ferries cancelled from Tuesday night due to rough weather”
Surely they mean ‘ferry’.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350327244/nz-weather-live-interislander-ferries-cancelled-tuesday-night-due-rough-weather
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July 2, 2024 9:09am
- GregM
  
  The telling thing is that Bluebridge didn’t miss a beat and kept sailing.
  Greg Moore, Queenstown.
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:23am
Matt Long

Also can someone explain why the moderate centre left in France riot when they lose an election, but the extreme far right do not.
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/europe/fire-in-paris-bobigny-suburb-amid-riots-in-france-after-first-roundelectionvideo-article-111387287
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July 2, 2024 9:10am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Because the “centre-left” know they’re on “the right side of history”.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:33am
  - Damocles11
    
    I call them ‘far Left’.
    
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    July 2, 2024 12:03pm
- Grunter
  
  France is the EU’s poster child of how socialism and State control should operate. The problem is, once again, socialism is failing big time.
  
  Government spending to GDP exceeds 58%, the highest in the world. (NZ is 20.8%)
  
  Unions are exceedingly powerful. According to Bloomberg, a 50-employee company must create “three worker councils, introduce profit sharing, and submit restructuring plans to the councils if the company decides to fire workers for economic reasons”.
  
  France is a mess, economically stagnant, huge debt, and an aggressive population that is now totally reliant on State handouts. And, of course, they have rampant, out of control immigration.
  
  Their voters have the choice of more socialism + illegal immigration controls (Le Penn’s National Rally) – tagged the ‘Far Right Party’ vs all the others who are pretty much advocating extreme socialism (communism).
  
  Either way, France can not repay their massive debt, sack their millions of Govt workers, de-power their powerful Unions, and get back to balanced budgets.
  
  So once France goes the way of all other socialist States, what then happens to the EU?
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:35am
  - thirteenstars
    
    No. NZ GDP to expenditure ratio is around 42%.
    
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    July 2, 2024 10:15am
    - Grunter
      
      Not according to The World Bank…..
      https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/New-Zealand/government_size/
      
      But the IMF has us at 42.6%
      https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/exp@FPP/USA/FRA/JPN/GBR/SWE/ESP/ITA/ZAF/IND
      
      And this one at 41%
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/436523/ratio-of-government-expenditure-to-gross-domestic-product-gdp-in-new-zealand/#:~:text=The%20ratio%20of%20government%20expenditure,a%20new%20minimum%20in%202029.
      
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      July 2, 2024 10:55am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Yeah, the WB is in error. Massively so. NZ’s figures are quite stable over many years and 20% doesn’t pass the smell test.
        
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        July 2, 2024 11:24am
- RoboRob
  
  Do as I say not as I do?
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

From last evening.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/why-we-must-support-the-treaty-principles-bill-part-3/

David Seymour’s Bill and who wants it stopped.
Come on people, wake up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqClSBTRm8

An explanation of the Bill. PDF 10 pages.
https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/A-Short-Explanation-About-What-David-Seymour-Is-On-About-With-His-Treaty-Principles-Bill.pdf
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July 2, 2024 9:10am
- Damocles11
  
  They don’t care Steve. Window dressing around government department name changes is as good as it will get I am afraid. Luxon is not a conviction politician, there is no fire in his belly, he simply wanted the highest CEO role available to him and his now running ‘his team’ like a corporation, looking to deliver a better veneer of national contentment than the last outfit. Beneath the veneer, the rot continues to set in, our democracy continues to crumble and erode. I fear for what will be passed on to future generations who will effectively be second class citizens in this land. Many will leave.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:15am
  - Grunter
    
    Boom! – Well said Damocles11
    
    The problem is, where do you go?
    
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    July 2, 2024 9:39am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    It is true that Luxon acts like a CEO. But if he was actually a CEO and sacrificed the long term health of the company to produce short term returns, the share price would tank and the shareholders would get him sacked.
    
    In a company the share price reflects the present value of expected future profits. I suppose that, for a country, the equivalent measure would be the average of the expected lifetime standard of living for everyone in NZ today. Maybe this could be calculated though it would need plenty of assumptions. Getting people to care about it would be another problem entirely.
    
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    July 2, 2024 10:30am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘he simply wanted the highest CEO role available to him and his now running ‘his team’ like a corporation’
    
    Did he want it , or was it offered to him by the back roomboys , the suits who really run the Ngatinat paahti .
    
    Recall how he wasn’t the Annointed One till Key gave him the handshake . And Key similarly was parachutted in , made all manner of the right noises re maori seats ( like Luxon’s one man one vote catchcry) and was exactly the same , brought in to make National electable.
    
    The game’s afoot , and has been for some time.
    
    All the world’s a stage.
    
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    July 2, 2024 11:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The whole idea was to undo the shit that Ardern left, to fix NZ. Luxon seems to be happy with the status quo.
    Some will point out he has done a few good things. Well no – he has left it to others while he takes credit.
    He has to stop pandering to Maori. They are not special. There are 159 other cultures in NZ who are not special, yet they survive well in their own communities.
    
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    July 2, 2024 11:41am
Damocles11

What is the future for centrist and claytons right wing parties? Looks like the woke pro-immigration Conservatives will be smashed in the UK, while Macron’s centrists are being smashed in France.
Therefore, what is the future for the National party in New Zealand? “We’ll be better economic managers” isn’t a rallying cry that pulsates with conviction, it’s a pledge ti commit to milquetoast dilly dallying until the Left return to power. I’ve seen the arguments against doing anything truly significant: “the Left will just tear it all down when they get back” and “the ‘Overton Window’ has shifted”. The problem with both those arguments is it just hands the playing field over to the Left to continue incrementally shifting this country leftwards i.e. allow the Left to be the sole real change-makers and they will gladly occupy that space, pushing the ‘Overton Window’ Left as they do so.

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‘Macron’s centrists are now facing what one pollster called “catastrophe”. They are relegated to third place – behind the left – and are set to lose more than half their seats, shrinking from 250 to less than 100. “It’s a defeat,” said Macron’s economy minister Bruno Le Maire, speaking of “a lot of sadness”.’
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July 2, 2024 9:10am
- Grunter
  
  The problem is socialism, no matter what shade of grey is put on it.
  
  As Winston Churchill stated, “The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”
  
  The ‘Claytons Right Wing Parties’ (including our own National and ACT) are simply delaying the inevitable.
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:47am
  - Damocles11
    
    Sorry, I don’t see ACT the way you do. And I do note ACT will not support Willie Jacksons bailout bill for the MSM, and National are the ones progressing it with NZ Firsts support. For me this matter is a perfect snapshot of everything the various coalition parties stand for: one is Labour Lite, one is sound, fury, bluster and little accompanying action, and one is what we need but is hamstrung by the other two.
    
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    July 2, 2024 10:46am
    - Grunter
      
      I just see ACT in 2024 as a ‘centralist’ party – definitely not “hard right”. Their basic economic views/model now is very different to what the ACT founders had in mind. And the reality is the original ACT achieved bugger all voter support.
      
      And Seymour completely sold his soul when he announced his revised “FREE” school lunch program. He should have played his “Agree to Disagree” card like he did today.
      
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      July 2, 2024 11:44am
      - Damocles11
        
        You can ‘agree to disagree’ but it would still go ahead, because cabinet collectively makes these decisions. If you can’t understand that then I can’t help you. Or perhaps you wanted him to collapse the government over that one issue?
        The aggressive white anting of Seymour started prior to the last election and continues unabated, as the operatives of Labour Lite and Winston First know he is the biggest threat in terms of taking votes off them.
        
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        July 2, 2024 12:08pm
      - pdm
        
        They are doing the `hard yards’ Grunter and seem the best hope we have.
        
        We would be right down the socialist gurgler if it was just National and NZFirst.
        
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        July 2, 2024 12:59pm
kowtow

While everyone is blithering about the McKenzie golden handshake , Robertson has taken up the $600k + pa head of charity down south .

Meanwhile those of us not on the public tit pay our taxes to keep these rortsters in clover.
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July 2, 2024 9:12am
- pdm
  
  kowtow on past form Robertson should have the already substantial Otago University debt doubled by the end of 2025.
  
  It will just come naturally to him.
  
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  July 2, 2024 1:00pm
kowtow

For the tragics out there have a listen to “expert” commentator uni wallah Stephen Hoadley of AUT justify how a zombie can still be the President .
Interviewd by Plunket on the Platform this morning .
Should be available on podcast.
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July 2, 2024 9:27am
- imalwaysright
  
  Unbelievable. Plunket openly laughed at him, he was that ridiculous.
  On Hoadleys previous appearance on the Platform he tried to tell us that the dementia was actually manipulated videos.
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:16am
- RoboRob
  
  Any link? Cant see it.
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:46am
  - kowtow
    
    Not up as far as I can see but might be posted by the Platform later as a Podcast , on youtube or somesuch.
    
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    July 2, 2024 11:23am
Maggie Pie

Interesting to read the *actual* Reserved Decision handed down by Judge Jelas
when convicting Golriz on the shoplifting charges (see below)

The Horrid provided an abridged version in their initial coverage of the case,
but left out a lot of details.

For instance, Judge Jelas refers to TWO associates accompanying G2 during her first thieving foray… then of another at Scotties.
How long before these ‘accomplices’ are identified and arrested for assisting in the commission of a crime?

https://districtcourts.govt.nz/assets/secure/2024-06-27/2024-NZDC-14690_New-Zealand-Police-v-Ghahraman.pdf
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July 2, 2024 9:36am
- MCōs
  
  According to that transcript the items were placed in her various bags while she was alone in the changing rooms.
  The ‘associates’ therefore didn’t see what she was doing.
  On the third occasion the ‘associate’ brought two of the three items back to the shop. So they knew, but we’re not part of the deception.
  There’s no suggestion that any of these ‘associates’, I prefer the old fashioned term ‘friends’, knew that any thieving was going on otherwise they too would have been arrested, I would have thought.
  
  This whole wretched business reminds me of someone I used to work with who altered cheques signed by the big boss, put the money in their account and paid the bills with personal cheques.
  After it worked once it became an addiction until someone figured out the scam a year an a half later.
  An awful lot of money was involved, but no prison time was served and the spouse (aka ‘associate’ you might say) never knew, which baffled me because all the money was spent on tangibles not drugs or gambling.
  
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  July 2, 2024 12:08pm
- Master Mariner
  
  And the first associate was Male in the first instance.
  
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  July 2, 2024 1:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It has taken five years for Professor James Renwick and Victoria University to publicly acknowledge inappropriate comments Renwick made about Sean Rush’s submission on the Zero Carbon Bill.

https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350328272/sean-rush-gets-apology-university-climate-professor-over-inappropriate-comments
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July 2, 2024 9:38am
imalwaysright

Michael Baker talking to Michael Laws yesterday about covid.

He said that what he considers dis/misinformation about the jab (i.e.anything critical of the jab) is from “bad actors in non-western countries”!

Sounds like a conspiracy theory. He’d know.
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July 2, 2024 9:43am
- kowtow
  
  I listened ,unwisely, to that yesterday and ended up with a severe attack of PTSD having got the covidscamsters out of my system and getting along with life without the lies , fear porn , Ardernism , constant extremist media exhortations and then BANG , it was like being tranported back to that nightmare!
  
  I might head out to the shops for some five finger discounting…………it’s all the rage innit.
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:27am
Scooter

Chris Luxon on Mike Hosking, he’s becoming as annoying as Jacinda was, lots of waffle and sound bites “we need to turn things around” blah blah, he talks too fast and doesn’t let the interviewer a chance to interject or follow up. No wonder he won’t go on The Platform and not sure he’s been on Reality Check Radio. Leaders in a democracy should be interviewed by all media and when they refuse you have to ask what they are afraid of?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/christopher-luxon-prime-minister-on-the-governments-plans-for-the-third-quarter-andrew-mckenzies-redundancy-payout/
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July 2, 2024 9:47am
- H. Upmann
  
  Luxon is not much different than Ardern when it comes to bumper sticker soundbites.
  
  You know there is a problem when even someone like Hosking, a professional fast talker, cannot get a clarifying question in.
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:25am
- lifesgood
  
  Scooter, I disagree. I was listening and thought to myself, here’s a PM who has his hand on the rudder, knows his facts, is positive and raring to go. More power to him, I say. After that abysmal fool of a woman, Ardern, it is like a breath of fresh air to listen to him. Remember she was so gutless she couldn’t even face Hosking.
  
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  July 2, 2024 12:01pm
- MCōs
  
  I’ve listened to leaders, deputy leaders, spokespeople for this that and the next thing over the years and it’s rare indeed if any of them are particularly informative.
  Do you think the ABs will win on Saturday: Yes or No
  Before I answer that question, let me say what a marvelous stadium we helped finance in Dunedin. With a roof. Fully covered and we all know how inclement the weather is down there in July
  
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  July 2, 2024 2:11pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s one for the Greens….

“The whole gospel of Marxism
can be summed up in a single sentence;
Hate the man who is better off than you”

– Henry Hazlitt
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July 2, 2024 9:57am
- Jack5
  
  Henry Hazlitt – there’s an old American keyboard warrior.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hazlitt
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:06am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP.. my partner has a number of his books in the library.
    
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    July 2, 2024 10:42am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    A descendant of William Hazlitt, I see. Tge apple does not fall far from the tree.
    
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    July 2, 2024 9:25pm
Benedict Yu

Yesterday in the car I heard Damien O’connor on the radio talking about methane from cows. Now methane from cows is a legitimate subject for debate. If for no other reason that the Government has effectively pledged to pay for all of those emissions if farmers do not have to pay. That will mean billions less for health, education, and everything else that matters…

However Damien O’connor lost me when he claimed that we need to reduce cow emissions to avert storms in New Zealand. He cited as an example the storm in Hawkes Bay and Gisborne last week. 🤡

Of course such low pressure systems off the East Coast have been forming for millenia. Nothing we do to the cows will change things. 🐮
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July 2, 2024 10:02am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I doubt that Oçonner understands even the basics of science let alone the science of meteorology.
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:06am
- Burtland
  
  catching the bus rather than driving your car is equally effective //
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:34am
- Littletramp
  
  We live in an era of pretending not to see the obvious, and blaming it all on climate change. The damage from the East Coast storms has been created by the forestry debris.
  
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  July 2, 2024 1:11pm
Damocles11

What a disgrace. I am truly disgusted. National are stepping in to save the execrable Shortland Street and will also progress forward Willie Jacksons ‘Fair Digital News Bargaining Bill’ through Parliament, handing a lifeline to the leftist MSM. Congratulations National, you will not get either of my votes at the next election.

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‘New Zealand’s longest-running drama, Shortland Street, looks set to be saved, while New Zealand’s broader media industry is also likely to receive help from the Government in earning revenue from digital tech giants such as Facebook and Google.
In a raft of changes announced by the Government today, a ban on TV advertising on Sunday mornings and certain public holiday holidays will be lifted.

[Mod – just post a short part of the article and link to the article]
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July 2, 2024 10:06am
- F E Smith
  
  Agreed, the Nats are rapidly beginning to look like they are scrambling and falling into being Labour-lite. This is an appalling, big-state decision that increases the chances of there being more rent-seeking from NZ businesses.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350326960/nz-politics-live-government-progress-fair-digital-news-bargaining-bill
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:38am
  - Matt Long
    
    FE Smith, I admire your wisdom and knowledge on all things legal, but anyone who didn’t know National were standing on a Labour lite ticket last election either wasn’t paying attention or was in total denial.
    
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    July 2, 2024 2:08pm
- RoboRob
  
  WTF is National thinking.
  
  ACT leader David Seymour said the Bill was “a failed Labour inheritance our partners just can’t shrug off”.
  
  .. progressing the legislation was “one of those things you do when you don’t know what else to do”
  
  This is why I voted ACT, not National.
  
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  July 2, 2024 10:52am
- Grunter
  
  Seymour has played his “Agree to Disagree” Card on this one. Publically stating that this Bill is a load of bollocks – which it is.
  
  This is just another example of woke Luxon and his leftist mates. Govt funding & support of mass media!!
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:04am
- Burtland
  
  have they asked Google or Facebook if they will comply?
  
  considering our dumb-ass education system will drive the new economy to where everything is googled and every report AI’ed, I would suggest the power rests in google and microsoft’s hands
  
  cant be too far off where the tech companies will demand payments for providing the knowledge infrastructure
  
  what is the value equation for news when it is actually constructed with google and microsofts knowledge tools – marxist news media propaganda provides little if any value for exchange
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:14am
  - greybeard
    
    Ah !
    The “law of unintended consequences”.
    You are right, someone hasn’t thought this all the way through.
    
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    July 2, 2024 12:11pm
- kowtow
  
  Yep , Labour Lite ; and if they think the media will come round to play for them in a love in , then they’re thicker than I thought they were .
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:32am
- thirteenstars
  
  After the dismissal of Melissa Lee as broadcasting minister because apparently she couldn’t twice bring a suitable proposal to cabinet, Luxon replaced her with Goldsmith.
  
  It seemed the problem was Lee had resiled from her strong talk not supporting Labour’s Fair Digital News Bargaining Bill for the reason that it was a rort of one sector by another. She was correct.
  
  It further seemed like Goldsmith was being brought in to knock things back into shape but not on your life. Now we have the disgusting spectacle of National picking up Labour’s original bill and Labour being more than happy to help National get it passed.
  
  I don’t know what the NZF position is on all this but I hardly think it is sympathetic to propping up the legacy media through taxing internet companies.
  
  We’re might end up with National’s two coalition partners standing back while Labour and National hold hands in temporary coalition to advance the racist, Marxist agenda via the corrupt NZ media.
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:43am
  - Damocles11
    
    NZ First are supporting the bill. All big talk and bluster, missing in action when push comes to shove.
    
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    July 2, 2024 12:10pm
Taieri

According to Dunedin City Council Chief Executive economic conditions changed significantly since 2021-2031 long term plan was prepared. Did the planners expect that economic conditions will remain constant over the 10 years period? Where do they get these numpties from? Is there a lab where they create them?

https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/otago-daily-times/20240701/281539411153109
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July 2, 2024 10:34am
- Grunter
  
  The “Lab” that creates these clowns is called Otago University. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
  
  So Dunedin now has an organic/garden waste system to save us from Global Boiling. So my potato peels from last night get picked up from my gate on Thursday in a massive green plastic bin made from fossil fuels. The rubbish truck turns up every week, burning fossil fuels. My potato peels are then trucked (more fossil fuels) to Timaru because Dunedin doesn’t have an organic rubbish facility.
  
  And this is not a scam…????!!!
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:54am
  - kowtow
    
    The scam also sees the “cost” of the bin collection/recycling go onto one’s rates bill to the tune of over $300 pa , for many people that will represent in the order of a 10% increase just for that charge alone . Careful folk who manage their waste and recycling ( compost bin) wouldn’t be paying anything like that for rubbish.
    
    And that 10% increase will help compound more and more increases in future years .
    
    It might even force private rubbish collectors out of business .
    
    This is nothing but a money grab by the council disguised in greenwash.
    
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    July 2, 2024 1:45pm
newview

Although many would never watch Shortland Street including me, I’ve read somewhere that it actually makes money because it’s sold overseas.
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July 2, 2024 10:59am
- RoboRob
  
  Which would indicate that the tax payer shouldn’t be funding it by way of a ‘rebate’.
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:05am
- Paulus
  
  Thought I read that Shorty Street lost $25 million a year from everything.
  
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  July 2, 2024 11:18am
  - RoboRob
    
    If that’s the case TVNZ should have canned it long ago. This is a SOAP with ridiculous story lines we are talking about here.
    
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    July 2, 2024 1:10pm
  - Ghost
    
    Nope. Shortland Street hasn’t lost money. I think it is still the 5th highest rating show on tv
    
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    July 2, 2024 1:16pm
- Damocles11
  
  The Shortland Street grifters have successfully gamed Labour Lite, and therefore the long suffering NZ taxpayer. Soft touch Luxon has meekly capitulated as we should have known he would. So disappointing.
  
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  July 2, 2024 12:13pm
Mod88

And it makes the 2nd Agree to Disagree clause in a week. National have always been more dangerous to their Coalition partners than the opposition. Labour-lite is becoming more apparent weekly or should that be weakly.
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July 2, 2024 10:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

‘A law-free zone around the president’
The Supreme Court’s three liberal justices have warned that their conservative colleagues have turned the president into “a king above the law”
Yep, once Trump is POTUS he will be President forever. Shit they are crazy!
Good reception in Virginia (vid)

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/a-law-free-zone-around-the-president-supreme-court-liberal-justices-denounce-nightmare-immunity-ruling/ar-BB1pdZOZ?
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July 2, 2024 11:12am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The Democrat judges (nothing Liberal about them) are an absolute joke.
  
  Writing a dissent stating that nothing will stop Trump from using Seal Team 6 to assassinate political opponents etc was moronic.
  
  The fact is that this changes very little.
  It basically holds that if the President did something that is legal under their position as President, they can’t be charged for it when not in power.
  
  For example, dropping bombs extrajudicially on US citizens in a foreign country = no murder charge.
  
  It doesn’t mean he can drop bombs on US citizens in the US.
  
  It doesn’t mean he can overturn an election result. It does mean he can ask officials to look into the election result.
  
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  July 2, 2024 2:53pm
Ian

I think TV One programming is losing it. To have put on a four part series on The Rise and Fall of Boris Johnston on prime time may be of interest if just one succinct episode. To watch four hours in total over four weeks would find little interest for the majority of New Zealanders – it is, after all, about U.K. politics. Just goes to show TVNZ is scrapping the bottom of the barrel to fill up programming time. And of their breaks these days, mostly they are promotions of their own shows with little real advertising – which pays the dollars.
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July 2, 2024 11:36am
- MCōs
  
  I watched it and found it very interesting except I dozed off for the last ten minutes.
  Earlier on was Border Security; an Australian propaganda piece on behalf of immigration and customs. My wife likes to see those stupid Chinese people get caught with all sorts of food they haven’t declared. In Thailand the Chinese lord it over the Thais so it’s a bit of cuppance
  
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  July 2, 2024 2:28pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Exactly. I mean, it’s not the Rise and Fall of Reginald Perrin now, is it?
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:28pm
thirteenstars

ACT stands alone in parliament in opposing the Fair Digital News Bargaining Bill which will bailout failing legacy media companies.

Seymour said the Government’s amendments to the original Bill – which was drafted under the Labour Government – ‘made it worse’.

‘The involvement of an elected Minister in deciding who ultimately gets what takes away one of the main benefits of the whole scheme: that it doesn’t involve politicians. ACT worries that a Bill aimed at subsidising traditional media could undermine the separation between political actors and journalists who are meant to be an independent voice in our democracy.’

Indeed. National has actually made a bad bill even worse by allowing ministerial interference in who has to pay and who gets the money. At least Labour could claim the PIJF was disbursed at arm’s length but oh, no, says National, we’ll provide a mechanism for future governments to really get their hands dirty and all perfectly legal.

In addition, Goldsmith made additional braindead announcements:

Goldsmith said the Government would also “tweak” eligibility criteria for the New Zealand Screen Production Rebate for local shows “with strong industry and cultural value, like our longest-running drama Shortland Street”.

He said he had spoken to NZ On Air about the role it could play in supporting local news and current affairs.

Shortland Street, a “cultural value”? The woke and corrupt NZ On Air providing direct funding for news and current affairs shows?

But never mind, Willie Jackson thinks it’s a bloody great idea:

Labour Media and Communications spokesperson Willie Jackson said he was relieved the Government had seen ‘sense’ and was progressing legislation to ‘make the media landscape fairer for news companies operating online’.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/02/govt-to-progress-media-bill-but-act-agrees-to-disagree/
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July 2, 2024 12:11pm
- slijmbal
  
  Anyone noticed that Labour put Fair in front of unfair bills as if we’re too stupid to notice (yes National is putting it forward but it’s a Labour initiated bill). We had the oxymoronically named Fair Dividend Regime by the evil Cullen. Fair Pay Agreements to enforce union power etc etc.
  
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  July 2, 2024 1:43pm
- Damocles11
  
  Shortland Street gives any sensible watcher a case of cultural cringe. Goldsmith’s lauding of such an execrable programme is also deeply cringe-worthy.
  
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  July 2, 2024 5:03pm
Jack5

A eulogy to a southern regional beer – Canterbury Draught (link below).

A trademark search shows that Lion NZ, owned by Kirin, of Japan, has rights over six name versions containing the words “Canterbury Draught”.

If people still wanted local beer, and with key ingredients South Island produced, you would think a new small regional brewer might soar ahead.

But no, Stats NZ figures show people are switching to non-alcoholic beer. NZ consumption has more than trebled since 2020.

When many of us oldies were young beer got blamed for some of our larrikinism. What do the boy racers get high on now? Are petrol fumes sufficient?

Canterbury Draught disappears down drain of local history:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/520814/an-obit-for-canterbury-draught

NZ beer consumption falling:

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/02/27/beer-consumption-in-notable-decline-amid-cost-of-living-crisis/
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July 2, 2024 1:22pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng_9koFF3XE
McDonald’s in PANIC as ‘McPlant Burger’ BOMBS, CEO Bans ALL FAKE Meat! 🌱🤮 ‘Stinks Like DOG FOOD’
No one goes to McDonalds for plant burgers – GROSS! Not even Gates, or Klaus.
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July 2, 2024 1:30pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=194yl5J3ceI
Trump Spent Weekend Posting These Hysterical Memes Trolling Biden Over Debate | Joe Hides in SHAME 🤣
President Trump is the king of memes. No other President will come close. [Trump is having a bit of fun at Brandon’s expense. Brandon is hiding. Dr Jill is adjusting his meds.]
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July 2, 2024 1:31pm
- MCōs
  
  I don’t care for either of those two geriatrics, particularly as the now likely winner is threatened to place a 10% tariff on imports to protect the home market.
  The US is our third biggest export market, slightly behind Oz
  So that’s the last thing our country needs, but you back Mr Trump if you want to, sungshine
  Btw
  Biden isn’t hidin’
  Who told you that? He was out next day trying to look all virile, in contrast to the day before.
  
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  July 2, 2024 2:58pm
  - newview
    
    Agree MCos. Trump appeals to Americans who believe the US just needs itself. Trade tariffs bear that out. I would think their debt will just go up when you are only happy to do business with yourself.
    
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    July 2, 2024 4:07pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘China’s factories are churning out more steel, cars and solar panels than its slowing economy can use, forcing a flood of cheap exports into foreign markets.
      
      The oversupply of Chinese goods in key industries is stoking tensions between the world’s biggest manufacturer and its major trading partners, including the United States and the European Union. Its global trade surplus in goods has soared and is now approaching $1 trillion.
      
      The United States and the EU are fretting over potential “dumping” by China — that is, exporting goods at artificially low prices — with electric vehicles among the products caught in the crosshairs.
      
      “Europe cannot just accept that strategically viable industries constituting the European industrial base are being priced out of the market,” Jens Eskelund, president of the European Union Chamber of Commerce in China, told reporters earlier this month.
      
      But China needs to increase exports as a key measure to revive its economy, which is grappling with a protracted property slump, weak household spending and a shrinking population among other problems.’
      https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/28/business/china-goods-exports-trade/index.html
      
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      July 2, 2024 5:12pm
      - sungsamning
        
        That’s what Trump was thinking when he came up with the 10% tarrif thing.
        
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        July 2, 2024 8:57pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Yes, I was going to post about the 10% tariff. Not good for a small and isolated export nation such as New Zealand to be facing a new wave of trade protectionism.
    
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    July 2, 2024 5:06pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Might be time to dump the anti-nuclear BS then.
    
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    July 2, 2024 8:56pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Great to see that Tennessee has just passed a Bill authorising the *DEATH PENALTY*
for convicted child rapists.
It came into effect today.

https://x.com/LeadingReport/status/1807928045459890240

*More than 60k views in the last 2 hours – not one person in disagreement.
Meanwhile, were busy wiping the slate of crims with 2 strikes so they can start again.
We’ll wake up one day, but it will be too late.
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July 2, 2024 2:27pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: Correction – “we” are wiping all strike convictions, including the 27 (approx.) third strikers, many of whom have committed murder, and would thus be up for LWOP if they did it again on release…as some 17 men have done in the past, including the POS who used to stink up this blog.
  
  Fortunately he appears to have crawled back under his rock for a while. He’ll be back – he has no shame for taking not one but TWO lives
  
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  July 2, 2024 2:41pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Bet this sexual deviant will be pleased he doesn’t reside in *The-Volunteer-State*
  
  A clear and present danger to children everywhere…
  
  Ghey porno film actor Ausin Wolf appears in court over horrifying child sex abuse charges. The Daily Mail reports 🙁
  
  https://mol.im/a/13582885
  
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  July 2, 2024 2:52pm
  - MCōs
    
    What does ghey mean?
    
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    July 2, 2024 3:05pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      The ‘downtika’ could describe it betta than moi 😛
      
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      July 2, 2024 3:19pm
- MCōs
  
  A guy who in the 1st XV and a prefect the first year I was at St Bedes later entered the priesthood and around 25yrs ago was convicted of sexual offenses against young boys.
  The next year we had a priest who was a lovely chap, but all the boys knew he was a pedophile. He was moved here and there to different schools and everyone knew he molested the boys until his old age and was never brought to account.
  There were numerous examples in the Catholic school system. Those were two people I personally knew.
  I suppose in Texas they would be executed would they?
  The first guy spent a short time in prison and the other never darkened a courtroom door
  
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  July 2, 2024 5:08pm
  - Ghost
    
    We seem to have an almost endless stories of teachers the last few years. Strange, everyone is focused on the drag queens
    
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    July 2, 2024 5:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well not here they wouldn’t have been Cossie, unfortunately.
    More likely to be encouraged.
    Tennessee obviously values and cares about its children.
    
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    July 2, 2024 5:58pm
Hugh Jarse

It’s all over for Wellington, it’s sinking at 4mm per year and the sea is rising 4mm a year. As most of the climate catastrophers and climate crisis believers live in Wellington and will believe this, it is only right that they now start dismantling Wellington and evacuating the residents to the new KO estates in Lower Hutt and and Porirua.

Time to move the capital to Christchurch.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/thousands-of-wellington-buildings-at-risk-from-rise-in-sea-levels-including-hospitals-and schools/XF47AT7LSZHMFDNS5FQ7P6UVQQ/
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July 2, 2024 3:14pm
- greybeard
  
  Christchurch ?
  Are you mad ? It is foggy, flattened and perpetually feral, and will probably subside into the sea at the next half-decent earthquake.
  ( Actually, is that so bad………?. )
  
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  July 2, 2024 4:55pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I think he was joking.
    
    However, you must be thinking of some other place.
    
    Christchurch has the best climate of any of the larger New Zealand cities.
    
    There are no more ferals than anywhere else.
    
    I can’t be bothered addressing the earthquake nonsense.
    
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    July 2, 2024 7:49pm
- Ghost
  
  No. Please keep the raving lunatics based in the North Island.
  
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  July 2, 2024 4:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fuck! 4mm down and sea is 4mm up means 8mm. I am using my arithmetic, not the Labour roving decimal point arithmetic.
  So will Wellywood be flooded this Christmas, and will not exist Christmas 25/26?
  Where are all of the snivelers going to move to? Sorry, North Shore is closed now.
  
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  July 2, 2024 5:59pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not to worry, Hugh. The next big earthquake will lift Wellington up by a metre, and that’ll see us right for a century!
  
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  July 2, 2024 9:32pm
kowtow

RoboRob

It’s up.

Here you go. If anyone had any doubts about how deranged Dems can be , and this guy is “educated” and a media go to ‘expert’ , fill your boots.

https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/stephen-hoadley-says-joe-bidens-cognitive-decline-doesnt-matter
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July 2, 2024 3:33pm
- RoboRob
  
  Thanks, appreciate that 🙂
  
  Boots filled! What a laugh, the cope is strong. Yeah they dont need a president with decent mental capacity.
  
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  July 2, 2024 4:49pm
Maggie Pie

Enuff to make you weep 🙁

‘The Rose Cottage aggravated robbery and murder = sentencing’

“I accept your guilty plea has not come so late as to only justify a 10 per cent reduction.
I consider the appropriate reduction here to be one of 15 per cent”

– Moore J.

https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/assets/cases/2024/2024-NZHC-1705.pdf
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July 2, 2024 4:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Luxon’s Government is fast-tracking co-governance.
Email today from Peter Williams, Taxpayer’s Union.
I don’t see it on the website, so here is what I received.

“Maybe I’m misremembering, but I could have sworn the new Government was elected on a platform of ending undemocratic, race-based ‘co-governance’ last year.

I’m emailing because I’ve just been briefed by the Taxpayers’ Union research team on what the new Government is doing with its “Fast-track Bill”. It is enough to make your blood boil.

In short, rather than delete ‘co-governance’ from the statute books, the new ‘fast-track’ consenting scheme proposes giving local iwi the same rights of representation on the most powerful committee as local councils.

It shuts the public out, while giving new legal rights to iwi (and only iwi) to have their say.

While it isn’t as explicit as David Parker or Nania Mahuta’s attempts under the last government for full co-governance, the Bill before Parliament hands over special powers to iwi leaders, all at the expense of democratic decision making and democratic accountability.

I wanted a change of Government last year, and I certainly don’t want to go back to the old one. But we have to blow the whistle on this one.”

Your Prime Minister is getting very dodgy!
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July 2, 2024 4:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump moves to overturn New York hush money verdict.
Wonder if Judge Juan Merchan’s freckle is twitching?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-moves-to-overturn-new-york-hush-money-verdict/ar-BB1pf8tg?
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July 2, 2024 4:38pm
- fernglas
  
  So he is claiming that because he was President when he signed off on some crooked deal he made when he was an aspiring candidate, he should have immunity? Good luck with that one. Perhaps you could point me to the part of that which involved him acting in his official capacity as President?
  
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  July 2, 2024 6:27pm
Tauhei Notts

Many people are critical of the Russia’s government mouthpieces. I think they are as credible as TVNZ.
BUT, Rossiiskaya Gazeta reported in February 2021 that “the American president is suffering from irreversible dementia.”
In that instance, they were ahead of their time.
I have just finished Putin-His Life and Times by Philip Short, published by The Bodley Head in 2022. An 854 page weighty tome.
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July 2, 2024 4:46pm
kiwikidsnz

Roy Morgan poll update

National support increases marginally in June as support for Labour slumps back below 30%
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/9623-nz-national-voting-intention-june-2024?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MRU%202nd%20July%202024&utm_content=MRU%202nd%20July%202024+CID_0bd53f2af43ea8685ce30ff07e620a19&utm_source=Market%20Research%20Update&utm_term=Read%20Full%20Article

Since before the election its been clear that every demographic except child bearing age women supports the Coalition.

“Younger women aged 18-49 are the biggest supporters of the Opposition Labour/ Greens/ Maori Party on 55% and well ahead of the governing National/ ACT/ NZ First coalition on 38% – a gap of 17% points.”

The Coalition should be asking themselves why that is
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July 2, 2024 6:11pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  ~7 years ago I blamed this split on Bill Englishs blanket & blinkered (by his religious & patriarchal intolerance) refusal to remove abortion from the Crimes Act when Jacinda embraced the change during the 2017 election campaign.
  
  Luxon said he won’t be reversing this now. So it’s apparently not a single issue prejudice for younger women.
  
  Perhaps any women commenting here could enlighten us?
  
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  July 2, 2024 6:29pm
  - wsk12345
    
    Utterly bemused, but in my 14 or so elections I’ve never voted left.
    
    I know a few lefty women, even the academically smart ones -and especially the wealthy ones- think equality is the goal over equity and that climate change is the be all and end all. And they believe the propaganda about the treaty “partnership” and are learning te reo because it’s virtuous to do so.
    
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    July 2, 2024 8:29pm
- Ghost
  
  Interesting poll results. NZ first unchanged, act down, national up. Labour down, Māori and greens up. Strange
  
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  July 2, 2024 6:30pm
Ghost

A poorly-timed trip to the bathroom has caused confusion for one passenger on board Air New Zealand’s flight to Shanghai, which was forced to turn back midway through the journey.

Article

In related news an air New Zealand Boeing plane made it safe back to nz
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July 2, 2024 6:37pm
Ghost

Parent calls for guidelines after Seymour’s historic Snapchat messages to teen daughter

The real issue with this story is not what newshub has raised, but how they have reported it. They have made sure to mention this is a man talking to kids…..

How fun, let’s blur the student and mother out to make it seem like it’s about something else.
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July 2, 2024 7:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Truly nasty..
  
  Let’s not mention all the trips Jacinda Ardern or Chris Hipkins made to little kiddies’ playgroups and schools…..or all the touchy feely cuddles that were happening.
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2020/09/21/jacinda-ardern-admits-group-selfie-was-a-mistake/
  
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  July 2, 2024 8:38pm
- greybeard
  
  This happened 8 years ago !
  Why bring it up now ?
  
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  July 3, 2024 8:29am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Surely the media watchdog should jump on vile crap like this?
  
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  July 3, 2024 2:12pm
Quail

TV 3 creating sleaze out of nothing.
Seymour replied to messages from children on his cell phone.Nothing at all contentious as admitted ,but apparently still necessary to hide faces etc etc as TV tried hard to make it contentious .
The editors and journalists responsible should resign or be resigned.
We could remember
“ Suffer the little children to come unto me”
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July 2, 2024 8:03pm
John Loveridge

It’s interesting to watch how the legacy media is trying to frame “far” right success in European elections. You’d think there was some kind of catastrophe unfolding in France right now. They shriek about how vital they are to democracy, yet seem unable to grasp its most fundamental concepts.
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July 2, 2024 8:15pm
NZer In Exile

Male serious offenders (not deemed to be in a “vulnerable ID group” according to the far left); evil spawn of Satan. Case closed.

Female serious offenders; need to find the reason so we can understand how this possibly could have happened to a person from this wonderful and vulnerable ID group.
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July 2, 2024 8:34pm
Ghost

Have kiwrail branched out into sailing waka?

On Tuesday afternoon, the waka was beached, allowing those on board to disembark to have hot showers, and to allow crew to fetch provisions.

Article

I wonder how the conversation went

Bro let’s go to timaru

Anyone got any money to pay for the wharf

Fuck that bro, let’s just do a interislander and beach it
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