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NeverMindTheBollocks

Wellington City rates up 18.5%. Gems include decarbonisation of swimming pools (whatever that means). Hutt City (that’s Lower Hutt to you & me, 16.9%) get mandatory water meters (because overuse of water is their biggest problem, right?), while Porirua City (17.9%) will make donations to a long list of charities because clearly the ratepayers cannot be trusted to do that themselves. Topping them all, not content with launching a late bid to snap up WCC’s airport shares, Greater Wellington Regional Council (20.6%) will buy the shares in Wellington’s port company that they don’t already own.

They just can’t help themselves helping themselves to your money, can they? And yet the media think that Golly G is the only thief of recent note.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/520733/ratepayers-across-wellington-region-face-increases-as-long-term-plans-approved
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June 28, 2024 8:04am
- Damocles11
  
  Councils are the biggest problem at the moment. They do not care a jot about ratepayers struggle with the cost of living, in their minds ratepayers exist solely to be fleeced to fund the myriad of grandiose schemes the local bureaucrats dream up.
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:07am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I agree councils are the biggest offenders in out of control spending. IMO National is to blame for this. Their decision to stay out of local politics and leave this field open for Labour and the Greens beggars belief. These are multi billion dollar entities for the most part staffed and governed by corrupt wokesters who couldn’t run a bath.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:23am
    - R
      
      IMO National is to blame for this. Wrong wrong wrong sceptic.
      The fiscal incompetence of councils is a direct result of the general public continually voting for those who will provide the greatest ‘free lollies’ in their community.
      Having National file local body candidates would make no difference to the constituents of the councils.
      
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      June 28, 2024 11:07am
      - Damocles11
        
        Well it would certainly help me identify the political stance of would-be Councillors and would provide some element of continuity on the Right, and certainly more of a united bloc to combat the depredations of Leftist local body politicians and unelected bureaucrats. But hey, why not extrapolate your thinking to central government politics, disband the National party, and have anyone from the Right stand as an independent. Good idea?
        
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        June 28, 2024 12:26pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        Often there is no real choice on offer. The right are not well organized. Remember the “right wing” candidate that stood against Phil Goff? John Tamihere. FFS!
        
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        June 28, 2024 12:58pm
  - Tricati
    
    With Christchurch Council just completing it’s long term plan, including a significant portion allocated to ‘Future Climate Change Sustainability’, what ever that means.
    Seems Sara Templeton has got her way again, just like the ever increasing cycleways and associated costs, and burdened the suffering rate payers with further undefined costs.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:23am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Many councils are the leftovers from the Adern regime.
    They were an important part of taxing the population and implementing woke social change.
    The councils are still doing it and the public service is still mostly the same as that which facilitated the adern regime.
    
    Not much has changed.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:32am
- Prince
  
  Is it still a ‘Charity’ when money is extracted by law from ratepayers and distributed by City Councillors to businesses they choose ?
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:57am
- MCōs
  
  As I recall the Thatcher government in the UK brought in the poll tax as an alternate to rates to curb Labour controlled councils spending on social projects such as subsidized housing and food and what they considered wasteful spending.
  Like all these magic bullets I think it might have had unintended consequences
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:04am
  - R
    
    The Poll tax was, and still is themost fair means of collecting Rates for local body operations.
    When people have to actually pay from their own pocket, the exorbitant Rates of Councils, they become much more aware of who is ripping them off. The present system suits Socialists, because it hides the Rates component of Rent; and allows the Left wing to write and say disparaging things about ‘greedy landlords’
    
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    June 28, 2024 11:26am
    - leoj
      
      Amen.
      Nothing creates involvement more than the freeloaders having to dig into their pockets as individuals.
      Property owners disproportionately prop up councils yet they are vilified by the uninformed as capitalists.
      
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      June 28, 2024 12:12pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Poll Tax has been disastrous in the UK. The original PT resulted in the Peasants Revolt in the late 1399;s with the Chancellor of the Exchequer’s head on a spike on the Walls of the City.
    
    2nd time was bought in by Mrs Thatcher and it resulted in riots.
    
    Bing in a 5% Local GST and distribute to the councils on a pro rata basis and get rid of rates.
    
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    June 28, 2024 3:49pm
- Grunter
  
  WCC gets a stack of deserved bad press. Meanwhile in the socialist hellhole called Dunedin, the DCC is raising residential rates by 19.5%. AND over the next 5-6 years plans to double debt to $1.6 billion.
  
  North Dunedin about to become an empty frozen desert as Robertson trashes Otago Uni and students start avoiding the racist Marix indoctrination centre!
  
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  June 28, 2024 11:11am
  - cmm
    
    With a quarter of the Dunedin voting population being students who don’t have to pay, but can just vote for hand outs, we can only expect more of this.
    
    Add to that another quarter of the voting age population being Otago university employees or Dunedin council staff and you’re screwed. These people will all vote for more coucil spending.
    
    More than 50% of Dunedin residents are either part of Otago university or relies heavily on them for their trade.
    
    When, not if, Otago falls, the whole of Dunners is going to crash too.
    
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    June 28, 2024 11:49am
- fredonas
  
  I agree, rates should not double in 5 years as they have for many ratepayers. I think previous councils have avoided paying for essential infrastructure maintenance and kicked the can down the road for too long and the chickens are coming home to roost.
  
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  June 28, 2024 12:23pm
artemisia

A complaint about Newstalk ZB host Mike Hosking’s reference to the “Māorification of this country” has been rejected by the Broadcasting Standards Authority (BSA). Herald today (paywalled).

A listener, Richard Lane, complained to Newstalk ZB’s owner NZME and then the BSA that the broadcast breached two standards of the broadcasting standards code – offensive and disturbing content; and discrimination and denigration.
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June 28, 2024 8:05am
- leoj
  
  Truth wins.
  Hosking is correct as is Bob Jones whose line “maori wonderfulness” remains classic truthful sarcasm.
  This new fangled public holiday, introduced under a maori dominated Labour Party is another classic example of woke gone too far.
  Don’t expect namby-pamby Luxon and the Nats to reverse course, however. What a disappointment the are turning out to be.
  
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  June 28, 2024 12:17pm
  - MCōs
    
    No government would dare abolish a public holiday. Even if it was dedicated to Satan, the Prince of Darkness. Change the name maybe.
    
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    June 28, 2024 6:55pm
    - Ghost
      
      Strange how people who are against a holiday don’t go into work instead of taking it off. A shame that with all the kids look up at the sky tonight they don’t have a nova to see as well, soon.
      
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      June 28, 2024 7:05pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        But plenty of atheists are happy to cruise along with Easter and Christmas holidays. Doesn’t stop them being atheists though.
        
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        June 28, 2024 10:12pm
Cassandra

Hamas could stop the war in Gaza overnight – just release the hostages and disarm. Instead it wants to retain its arms and continue the fight later. In the meantime civilians suffer.
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June 28, 2024 8:06am
- MCōs
  
  Do you think they’re fools?
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:14am
  - Cassandra
    
    Yes, but determined ones. Willing to sacrifice themselves but not yet. Civilians first.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:51am
  - Grunter
    
    Hamas are obvious fools.
    
    I also suspect Netanyahu is also a fool. He’s now committed Israel to 2 unwinnable wars (Hamas and Hezbollah). No end game plan is apparent for Israel other than continually “mowing the lawn” and collective punishment of Muslims.
    
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    June 28, 2024 11:16am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      So Grunter the alternative to reducing your enemies capability to do what they say they are going to do, and have repeatedly tried to do, is what precisely?
      
      Articulate your plan that:
      
      1/ Guarantees Israel as a nation continues to exist
      2/ Guarantees Jews a homeland were they can be free of persecution and danger of imminent violence
      3/ Stops Hamas, Hizballah, Islamic Jihad and all the other Jihad organisations from consistently and relentlessly attacking not just Israel but Jews around the world.
      
      I am really, really, really intrigued by your plan for peace that doesn’t include making the current Jewish Israeli population live under Muslim control.
      
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      June 28, 2024 12:10pm
      - Grunter
        
        I’ve said it a number of times, there is no obvious plan that brings peace to Israel. May be the 2-State solution could have worked, but after Oct 7 that ‘solution’ disappeared.
        
        The current Israel ‘plan’ does not achieve any of the 3 objectives you list above. That is my only point, in fact it arguably makes it worse.
        
        I have no solution. It’s a complete mess that will keep getting worse.
        
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        June 28, 2024 2:33pm
  - cmm
    
    “Do you think they’re fools?”
    It depends on what their goals are.
    
    Hamas needs a war and casualties amongst the Gazan people to stay relevant.
    
    If their goal is to stay relevant and do the bidding of their Iranian puppet masters, then they are doing exactly the right thing.
    
    If, however, their goals are prosperity for the Gazan people, then they are doing entirely the wrong thing.
    
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    June 28, 2024 11:52am
    - MCōs
      
      Was there prosperity in Gaza before Hamas existed?
      Gaza originated in 1948, was occupied by Israel from 1967 to 2005 and the next year Hamas won an election and have run the place since then.
      Before 1948 the whole area had been controlled by Britain since 1920
      
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      June 28, 2024 7:50pm
Matt Long

For some reason the staff who are losing their jobs at TVNZ are resentful about executives sponging 30k for a knees up the the US.
Don’t they know corrupt spending by the public service executive teams is Aotearoan culture?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/media-insider-tvnz-reveals-cost-of-sending-execs-to-los-angeles-says-social-media-images-were-inappropriate/R453RTVNTRCRPD3DVTUCYGF6AM/
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June 28, 2024 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Only $30K for 3 spongers? Nothing. Now if it was $30K each then that would be first class air, nice 5 star hotel and top restaurants.
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:31am
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, Steve. Why I’d be budgetting thirty large of other folks money just for my side-trip to Vegas!
    
    And another five grand – never let it be said I’m a cheapskate if other people are footing the bill -to buy you, Maggie./Maggy, pdm, Benedict, David (Farrar AND Garret) a decent duty-free prezzy too.
    
    I’d include the Mods in that gift list but I just bet they’re all Life Members of the ‘No Gifts Please, We Can’t Be Bribed!’ brigade…
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:15am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      I am hurt as a fellow LFC supporter that I dont get a duty free gift as well Biscuit. Deeply, deeply hurt…
      
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      June 28, 2024 12:11pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Fretteth not, JBJ.
        
        The people funding my trip, bless their woolly socks, are also funding an advance flightful of what I call ‘my flunkies’ to suss out opportunities for me.
        
        All my LFC-supporting pals will, of course be at the pointy end of that flight!
        
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        June 28, 2024 2:42pm
- MCōs
  
  I heard about that a few weeks ago. It seems it happens every year whereby people go over to scope out programs for transmitting over the coming year.
  I remember hearing a very long time ago the difference between the British worker and the American worker when the former sees the big boss in the flash car he thinks when the revolution comes we’re going to take that off you.
  The American thinks one day I’m going to have one of those!
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:26am
  - I remember when
    
    Obviously the benefits for TVNZ are revealed when the programmes that have been purchased are made known.
    Plus, of course, we must allow for the contacts that are forged (sounds appropriate) during the visit.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:35am
  - cmm
    
    “It seems it happens every year whereby people go over to scope out programs for transmitting over the coming year.”
    
    Coz, nobody heard of the internet, so people have to fly to LA, stay in a fancy hotel and charge lap dancers to their accounts.
    
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    June 28, 2024 11:54am
Matt Long

“Where are Newhubs biggest “stars” 🤡🤡🤡🤡 going?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/newshub-closure-patrick-gower-samantha-hayes-mike-mcroberts-where-are-the-biggest-stars-going/BHCNQQPRUVEBBOJFYKWTLWW6GA/
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June 28, 2024 8:14am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Away” I hope.
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:19am
- Gravelroad
  
  “Now, Burr, one of the industry’s most respected journalists, will join Stuff as their new Explainer Editor.”
  He has a lot of explaining to do.
  Will look forward to be provided with “learnings” as to how he and his colleagues so easily succumbed to the manipulations of the previous Labour government.
  First article could be titled: “How Labour bought the NZ media and how easy it was (and wasn’t Jacinda wonderful)”.
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:31am
  - Spam
    
    I can’t stand “explainers”. They language is always so patronising.
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:08am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Patronism (if that is the correct noun form) is typically a substitute for authority.
      
      I might ask Lloyd Burr if I have a question about knitting, but I won’t be looking for his explanations about anything else.
      
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      June 28, 2024 9:22am
    - pdm
      
      If `explaining is losing’ is this Burr chappie New Zealands leading loser?
      
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      June 28, 2024 9:46am
  - rouppe
    
    I don’t need some prick like him explaining anything to me.
    
    As Cam Slater used to say: explaining is losing.
    
    He’s a loser.
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:55am
    - Mike
      
      Well, Slater was wise never to even offer explanations for his disgusting behavior.
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:28am
    - Ghost
      
      And yet you quote some prick who is a loser that would often lie and carry out vile attacks on people
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:29am
      - rouppe
        
        Ooo that was a nice one ghost. You really put me in my place that time.
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        June 28, 2024 12:48pm
    - oldfella
      
      Talking of Slater, going by their website, it looks like the BFD is getting ready to re-brand as ‘The Good Oil’.
      
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      June 28, 2024 11:11am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Listening to RCR, it would appear The Slater has become a lot more sanguine and empathic since he recovered from a stroke.
        
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        June 28, 2024 10:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Where? McDonalds to do something worthwhile.
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:33am
- CJames
  
  It would be nice to think “out of sight, out of mind”, but with the legends in their own mind, I think they will keep popping up in their new careers in big bx store ads to remind us of how “great” they were.
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:33am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Off to join the Pleiades, I hope.
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:35am
- imalwaysright
  
  Maybe the can give their ex benefactor a call.
  
  Cindy’s News Network has a ring to it !
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:39am
- Damocles11
  
  Each ‘star’ got their own little hagiography. The MSM are so far up themselves it isn’t funny.
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:47am
  - kevn
    
    Damo… Don’t tell me you read that in the ‘on-line horrid? I skipped it.
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:09am
    - Damocles11
      
      I keep an eye on them, but don’t subscribe and don’t buy physical newspapers.
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:02am
  - artemisia
    
    No need for balance in reporting when interviewing each other.
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:10am
- Biscuit
  
  So lemme see. Matt, this is a media story referring to people in the media as ‘stars’, ha.
  
  Self-praise.
  
  Same as all their ‘awards’ – ‘Lookety, I was voted Star Of The Year!’ ‘Oh, by who? ‘ ‘My co-starring peers.’
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:58am
  - John Loveridge
    
    They just rotate their awards around every year. It’s all very incestuous and cringey.
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:24am
  - pdm
    
    Biscuit I see `The Cat’ was your only nominator!!!!
    
    You need two – try round and round and round and round etc etc etc.
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:49am
- Paulus
  
  As these are in the main the people who destroyed the financial viability of Newshub and its Owners, I cannot see any reason to bother with any 6pm news.
  Same old left winger exponents, and wingers who will do all they can to destroy the elected Coalition Government.
  Why watch !
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:38am
- I remember when
  
  The Matariki of NZ television.
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:41am
- cmm
  
  Ummm, who cares?
  
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  June 28, 2024 11:55am
  - Mike
    
    People commenting on this blog seem to.
    
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    June 28, 2024 12:26pm
- leoj
  
  Legends in their own minds…….
  
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  June 28, 2024 12:19pm
Taieri

Wonder what Thomas Burns and James Macandrew would make out of all this?

https://www.otago.ac.nz/maori/maori-strategic-framework
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June 28, 2024 8:23am
- Souvlaki
  
  Who in their right mind would now send their cat there?😳
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:53am
  - pdm
    
    Souv – you don’t know Biscuit.
    
    But read again I was intimating that said Cat nominated Biscuit.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Matariki
Matariki
Matariki
Matariki
Matariki

Make it stop. Make it go away.
My head is gong to explode.
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June 28, 2024 8:40am
- Damocles11
  
  “E whai ake nei, Matariki celebrations are breaking out all over the Motu. Our reporters around Aotearoa are standing by to bring you the latest.”
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:45am
  - softail 1450
    
    Domiciles 11, Ah I see you are way behind in the Tea Party Māori news Damocles , the reason no Māori party MPs turned up in the debating chamber recently is They were meeting with the treaty of Waitangi committee to put in a claim for ownership of the Subaru star cluster known as Matariki, those well known Mensa members Rawiri Waititi and Debbie Packer were heard to state outside the meeting to journalists “ look it’s an open and shut case we spotted that star formation years before the white colonisers arrived” all the journalists clapped cheered and nodded their heads 😂.
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:39am
    - Paulus
      
      Galileo Galilei, the Astronomer with some telescopic invention, might object in any way as he was first to publically identify the Cluster Pleiades in approximately 1563.
      Before evidence could ever know the name Maori.
      Just another Myth for money.
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:44am
      - Mike
        
        This star cluster has been known since antiquity to many cultures, including Greeks (Pleiades), Celts (Welsh: Tŵr Tewdws, Irish: Streoillín), pre-colonial Filipinos (Mapúlon), Hawaiians (Makaliʻi), Māori (Matariki), Australian aboriginals, Persians (Parvīn), Arabs (al-Thurayyā), Chinese (mǎo), Quechua (Qullqa), Japanese (Subaru), Maya, Aztec, Sioux, Kiowa and Cherokee.
        
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        June 28, 2024 11:32am
      - cmm
        
        Galileo Galilei was just the first to put it on what we would now consider a reasonably modern star chart. ie. the first to formalise it for what we now consider science.
        
        People of all nations have know about it forever.
        
        But your main point stands: this is no special Maori invention or discovery. Maori have no valid claim to the stars.
        
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        June 28, 2024 11:59am
      - Mike
        
        Did someone claim the Pleiades had exclusive significance for Māori?
        
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        June 28, 2024 12:25pm
      - alwyn.a
        
        1563 seems just a little unlikely. He wasn’t born until 1564.
        
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        June 28, 2024 12:45pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Well Maori used Subaru to navigate to NZ pre 1300, so they own Matariki.
        Oh yeah, key words, “came to NZ” so they are not indigenous, just immigrants like the rest of us.
        Oh yeah, Maori came here at winter time when you can see those stars through the winter clouds.
        
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        June 28, 2024 4:34pm
    - kevn
      
      1450… Captn Cook and others travelled the globe back then using tech of the time.
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:48am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        1450? 😳
        
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        June 28, 2024 11:32am
      - cmm
        
        1450 the Portuguese were doing their thing more then the Brits.
        And long before that it was the Chinese etc.
        
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        June 28, 2024 12:01pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      It doesn’t really matter, Rickey.
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:50am
    - Grumpy Silver Top
      
      Softail – this is a windup, isn’t it? Although judging by some comments perhaps not. Must have been one of those news stories I ignore in the MSM.
      
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      June 28, 2024 2:16pm
  - Paulus
    
    Where is Motu, is it being …….all over ?
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:39am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It seems to be a new saying. Only thing is that I only hear it in the media.
      
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      June 28, 2024 11:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It is in the R. t. Rower place, nothing to do with us.
      
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      June 28, 2024 4:31pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I have my Festivus Pole up, and my Kwanzaa hat on, what happens next?
    
    Do I get a free Subaru now?
    
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    June 28, 2024 12:06pm
    - Mike
      
      A Festivus for the rest of us.
      
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      June 28, 2024 12:23pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Fun fact. The logo on Subaru cars features a cluster of cars.
  
  https://www.ewingsubaruofplano.com/what-is-the-true-meaning-of-subaru-and-its-logo/
  
  It is inspired by the star cluster known by Maori as Matariki, and known by everyone else as the Pleiades.
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:50am
  - PeeJay
    
    Or the seven sisters if you are old school!
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:34am
    - Jethrod
      
      Pleiades, Seven Sisters, Messier 45, Tŵr Tewdws, Streoillín ,Mulo‑pulo, Makaliʻial, Thurayyā, mǎo , Makaliʻial,Thurayyā, mQullqa , Subaru , Kṛttikā ,Diwali.
      These are all names that apply to the grouping of stars to the north. They are in the constellation Taurus.
      It is not an uncommon thing in very many cultures for this grouping to be special as it indicates somehow as a guide for planting crops. Oh and I nearly forgot ….. matariki as well
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:47am
    - I remember when
      
      The world’s oldest story?
      Astronomers say global myths about ‘even sisters’ stars may reach back 100,000 years.
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:50am
      - I remember when
        
        “seven sisters”
        
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        June 28, 2024 12:30pm
- graham
  
  What have you got planned to celebrate Matariki, Steve?
  
  Me, I’m going to make a trip in my waka to te building supplies yard for a load of te timber to use in this weekend’s project. I intend to sit down this evening with a nice glass (or three 🙂 ) of te Pinot Noir (possibly even Te Tera).
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:53am
  - greybeard
    
    I hope you don’t speed in te Ka up te motowei
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:06am
  - Prince
    
    Throw in a ‘korero’ with your ‘whanau’ after your ‘Mahi’ and you could be an announcer on RNZ.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    graham, I am still hiding under the blankets in case the upcoming Coup breaks out and takes hold today.
    Nearly 6pm. I will wait until after One NETWORK Spews and then come out.
    I could always go to my caravan and drink that hidden bottle of Jacks!
    
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    June 28, 2024 5:53pm
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, Steve,
  
  Only things of great note at present, in my life, are the Euros, the 1st and 4th of July (Canada and the US), the Oldie I vs Oldie II Presidential debate, the upcoming UK Election, le grand depart du Tour de Chemists…
  
  Yawn re what I bet is the usual poi-twirling, semi-naked Maori doing the same thing that they have done for decades.
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:03am
  - pdm
    
    It would have to be The Euros Biscuit.
    
    The pommy cricket X1 wasn’t too flash earlier.
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:51am
  - Jethrod
    
    But wouldn’t it be nice, occasionally, for the te morris dancers to be slim and muscular ?
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The pretty ones went to OZ, to get a real life.
      Some te maoris tried dancing then…. 6 kids and no teeth.
      
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      June 28, 2024 6:00pm
- Ian Boag
  
  My head is gong to explode.
  
  Promises promises 🙂
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:10am
  - Cassandra
    
    Trés drôll.
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Shush in the cheap seats. The Boagle man does not know he is a toy that we have fun with.
      
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      June 28, 2024 6:02pm
- Matt Long
  
  It’s amazing and magical.
  “There have been some cool shifts in how Matariki is becoming a marker of our national identity and is unifying us as a country,” he said.”
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/maori-astronomer-professor-rangianehu-matamua-reflects-on-three-years-of-matariki/6XXSM5L4LFDAFCPT4PCQZGXUVQ/
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:15am
  - wilderbeast
    
    There’s been some “cool shifts” alright. Like the invention of Matariki in the first place, or at least the massive inflation of it. As I posted last year the word “matariki” doesn’t appear in my Raupo Māori dictionary at all, I think it was printed about 2013. Meanwhile in the south the Ngai Tahu crew who have managed to squeeze a heap of money out of someone to run the big celebration at Treble Cone Skifield are busy dispelling the “myth” that southern Maori never celebrated matariki. “We’ve found some references that prove we did” says their spokeswoman. I don’t live on planet woke but in my day to day existence no one seems to care a jot about it other than the fact they have a 3 day weekend.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:42am
    - riffer
      
      Well, maybe.
      
      Or maybe a bunch of folks just liked the idea they could have a holiday that’s exclusive to our country.
      
      I hope you worked today.
      
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      June 28, 2024 7:51pm
- KH
  
  The new invented culture is so dreary. “Maorisplaining”
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:23am
  - riffer
    
    All culture is dreary. Get over it. Been plenty of Eurosplaining over the years too.
    
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    June 28, 2024 7:52pm
- Damocles11
  
  ‘Matariki’ is live on TVNZ Channel 1 Steve, so you can tune in and celebrate in your living room while the nation celebrates on TV.
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:46am
  - Paulus
    
    Presumably Maori invented the TV at the same time as finding the Pleiades Star grouping.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Even they have no idea what they invented.
      This is just the start of Maori knowledge from the un-written language.
      
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      June 28, 2024 6:04pm
      - riffer
        
        Well, the beauty of a completely oral history is you can’t prove it wasn’t ever historical knowledge. Admit it, you’re kind of jealous you didn’t come up with the idea.
        
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        June 28, 2024 7:54pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        You can’t prove the Spaghetti Monster doesn’t exist either.
        
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        June 28, 2024 10:46pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        NZer In Exile,
        
        Fastamaori?
        
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        June 29, 2024 9:56am
- Dave
  
  To be fair, the Matariki holiday encouraged me this morning to read the wiki entries for the Pléiades and Matariki, both of which were quite interesting. If you want reliable scientific information about the stars, read the former; if you want Matauranga Maori, read the latter.
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:05am
  - wilderbeast
    
    See above Dave. these “observations” played a very scant part in Maori culture until about 5 years ago
    
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    June 28, 2024 11:05am
- lifesgood
  
  This matariki nonsense makes me want to vomit. It is a very rcent thing for Maori. I grew up in a Maori community and it was never, ever mentioned. Galileo will be turning in his grave. What a bloody cheek for Maori to claim something that was know by the Greeks long before Maori ever migrated here. Mike Hosking was right, it’s all part of the Maorification of New Zealand by that air head Ardern and her merry band of morons.
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:35am
  - Paulus
    
    Ardern was planning on this day off to get votes particularly from Maori.
    Which she did not either – see the Maori Party.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:47am
  - KiwiSapper
    
    }….What a bloody cheek for Maori to claim something that was know by the Greeks long before Maori ever migrated here…,”
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    Just another example of their never ending “cultural appropriation” grabbing, be it the guitar, clothing, housing ,cowboy hats and the white board marker for removeable facial bar coding …. Never ending and aggressive with it.
    
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    June 28, 2024 1:49pm
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    My woke waste of oxygen acting clinical head at suburban hospital sent an email out to the peasants last night hoping we would see the matariki stars – same useless [Mod – stop using that word] wasn’t doing ward rounds this morning and will enjoy three day weekend ffs
    
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    June 28, 2024 4:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You have the bucket – empty it and pass it on.
    
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    June 28, 2024 6:05pm
  - MCōs
    
    At least it wasn’t invented by Disney like most of our pakeha culture
    
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    June 28, 2024 8:03pm
    - KiwiSapper
      
      Neither were A A Milne’s “Winnie the Pooh” stories, but that didn’t spare them from bastardisation by Disney.
      
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      June 28, 2024 9:25pm
Damocles11

Apparently Matariki is universally the start of something called ‘the Maori New Year’. Except is isn’t and never was:

‘Different iwi celebrate Te Mātahi o te Tau (the New Year) at different times, depending on the local environment and the geographic markers of their home rohe. In Taranaki, people look towards Puanga (Rigel) as the star heralding the new year, partly because Mt Taranaki is a literal barrier, making it hard to observe the stars of Matariki.’

Once again we have something standardised and codified to fit the idea of a homogenised Maori nation all acting in concert together, when such a homogenised Maori nation has never existed. Different Iwi have their own traditions, own customary practices, own language dialects. The agenda of standardising and codifying everything to fit an agenda actually flies in the face of true Maori culture, and tramples upon the history and customs of many Iwi.
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June 28, 2024 8:43am
- imalwaysright
  
  Are there any maori artefacts that depict the Pleiades ?
  Are there any geographical markers that act as a calendar or a sight line to the Pleiades?
  Cave paintings perhaps?
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:19am
- Mike
  
  How could anyone know that cultures change over time?
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:35am
  - Damocles11
    
    Who is prompting the ‘changing’ of the culture/s and on what basis? Is it a Maori elder on the East Coast advocating for standardisation across Iwi, or is it a younger academic from Auckland? And what is the underlying agenda? If culture is not bound up with history & tradition then what exactly is it? Can we just jettison parts of our history that don’t fit the new narrative?
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:09am
    - Mike
      
      What is culture? What parts of your heritage and culture have changed or been changed over time? As for history, doesn’t every historical narrative change with every generation of story tellers?
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:34am
      - Damocles11
        
        “In order to preserve the culture, we had to destroy it”. Good one Mike. If you subsume the culture and traditions of Iwi into some artificially constructed pan-Maori identity, you are destroying anything truly authentic.
        
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        June 28, 2024 10:56am
      - Mike
        
        A bit like New Zealand culture overall?
        
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        June 28, 2024 11:35am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Is culture something that an individual can choose, or is it something that lefties assign to you as a immutable based on your appearance?
        
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        June 28, 2024 10:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You do Mike – some of them.
    I know that you are very clever in this field – so no insult buddy.
    
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    June 28, 2024 6:07pm
- David Garrett
  
  Damocles: Well said. This whole Matariki bullshit was debated at length right here a couple of years ago.
  
  The evidence was pretty clear: the pre-European Maori certainly were aware of the constellation known elsewhere as Pleiades, and did indeed call it “Matariki”. But there is zero evidence that it ever signaled anything significant, certainly not a “New Year”.
  
  One spin a few years ago was that it signaled that the time to plant kumera was 6 weeks away. Then someone pointed out that that theory had to be bullshit, because like Easter, Matariki moved around the calendar, and kumera are very frost sensitive.
  
  Historian Paul Moon put it best: “the ancient Maori had much better signs than that for when it was time to plant kumera.”
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:41am
  - greybeard
    
    I suspect before the colonisers arrived there was no such construct as “weeks”.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:08am
    - Mike
      
      I suspect you have no idea about it.
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:35am
      - greybeard
        
        Are you suggesting that pre-European maori had a time measurement of a “week” ?
        A 7-day period ?
        
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        June 28, 2024 11:35am
      - wilderbeast
        
        Do you ever run out of energy for your one trick? Judging by the sheer number and consistent approach of your posts on here you’ve got way too much spare time. 🥱
        
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        June 28, 2024 12:20pm
      - Mike
        
        I don’t know. All I’m suggesting is that you know very little about any aspect of Māoritanga.
        
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        June 28, 2024 12:22pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I suspect you have few clues either Milky.
        
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        June 28, 2024 9:56pm
- Damocles11
  
  Some Iwi call this period Puanga rather than Matariki. (Facepalm).
  
  ‘While all iwi celebrate ‘the Māori New Year’ in June or July, some iwi in Whanganui, Taranaki, the Far North and the South Island refer to this period as Puanga rather than Matariki. In these parts of the country, the Matariki star cluster is hard to see clearly and so iwi place importance on the star Puanga (Rigel), which is the next significant star closest to Matariki, and easier to see in twilight. Ngai Tahu in the South Island call the star Puaka.
  There are also regions where the setting of the star Rehua (Antares) in winter denotes the change of seasons.’
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:23am
imalwaysright

This is good stuff from Winston about a proper covid enquiry.
He wants Adern and Hipkins and their lackeys to face the enquiry.
He also explains the coalitions Agree/Disagree policy.

https://youtu.be/6k-BpfOWn2I?si=7M4kEEfQTGVzX50L
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June 28, 2024 8:48am
- Ian Boag
  
  a proper covid enquiry
  
  Just out of curiosity, what are the deliverables from this review? There’s plenty of opinion about how it was an overreaction. The MiQ thing had its problems. “No jab no job” had supporters and detractors as did lockdowns. Probably a few more that I have forgotten.
  
  So all this stuff gets some airtime and then what? Noone will be fined or go to jail.
  
  When the next pandemic comes along the reaction will be influenced by the way this one was handled. The report (when it comes out in a few years) will be a useful doorstop for those who read (or not) the printed page. That might be quite a few years if the whole process gets to be restarted from scratch.
  
  In the meantime we have issues with health, housing, education, crime, the military, looming penson blowout, ferries …. to name a few that come to mind. Focus focus focus ….
  
  This thing is a sideshow really.
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:22am
  - Cassandra
    
    No, Ian, those who do not learn from history etc.
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:34am
    - Ian Boag
      
      I agree with the learn from history stuff. Not sure that a three-year circus and a doorstop report all done at great cost is the way to deliver the lesson.
      
      There are people who think we should have effectively ignored the whole thing a la Sweden. Maybe that would have worked – we will never know. Good ole hindsight …
      
      There will be a whole lot of “with not from” and “excess deaths” and “but myocarditis” stuff. None of it new. There will be a whole lot of “we could have/should have done” whatever.
      
      At best the outcome from the enquiry will influence – but not dictate – the response to the next pandemic. The final report will be a compromise written by people who span a range of opinions ….
      
      Winston wants to start the whole process over. First will be getting the terms of reference. Then choosing the commissioners. Should be able to get through that inside 12 months. Then two years of hearings and a year to write the report.
      
      Why bother? What are the deliverables again?
      
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      June 28, 2024 9:53am
      - Cassandra
        
        See BY. There are lessons; it will not be a door stop.
        
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        June 28, 2024 10:55am
    - Paulus
      
      What Universally ?
      – which countries outside the New Zealand Maorification zone.
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:50am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The right inquiry could be valuable. So the ruinous mistakes do not happen again. I would like to see the actions of jacinda recorded for posterity as being ruinous and criminally cruel. Her legacy as a leader should be the exact opposite of what she is parading to the world right now.
    
    You may as well ask why the NTSB bothers exhaustively investigating every airplane incident in the USA, a process that takes on average 18 months.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:18am
- MCōs
  
  He should face it himself
  He was dead keen on lockdowns and vaccine mandates and all the rest until saw there was more hay to be made swinging the other way and sneaking back into parliament
  If him and his offsider Jones were dead right about everything he’d be PM, not 6.08% & the only party in parliament with no electoral seats.
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:39am
  - Ipanema69
    
    I regret that I only have one uptick to give!
    
    On a purely objective basis I agree with a lot of the things that Peters and Jones are saying.
    
    However I cant get past the fact that they enabled Jacinda and thus gave us the mess that we are currently in!
    
    Additionally Jones and Peters are both lazy f**** who talk a good game but never actually do anything about it!
    
    As I said in 2017 and 2023 if you voted NZF you are a moron.
    
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    June 28, 2024 11:16am
- mawm
  
  The link now goes to Shane Jones and climate change. Is there something Youtube doesn’t want me to listen to?
  
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  June 28, 2024 1:51pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Sorry, wrong link.
  Here’s Winston’s
  
  https://youtu.be/TXHtiqDBVjA?si=CRQK5q8GywTRzLGW
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Look at this shit from yesterday:
“Why tomorrow’s Biden vs Trump debate may be the most fateful in US history.”
The Mods CNN see themselves as saying America. Funny, I thought the debate is between Trump and Biden, not Trump and CNN.
The two Moderators are a leftist joke ffs.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/why-tomorrow-s-biden-vs-trump-debate-may-be-the-most-fateful-in-us-history/ar-BB1oY15e?
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June 28, 2024 8:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is the idiot TDS Zeleb from Daily Digest saying Trump making a ridiculous demand ahead of the debate with Biden. Trump wants Biden to take a drug test – and he will take one too. What’s ridiculous?
Performance enhancing drugs are banned in sport so why not the possibly most important debate to some?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-made-a-ridiculous-demand-ahead-of-his-debate-with-biden/ss-BB1oZzcW?
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June 28, 2024 8:57am
- imalwaysright
  
  $5 says Biden thinks Trump is Beau and tries to hug him !
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:31am
- Mike
  
  Yes to drug tests. Also, the candidates must drop their trousers on stage for a diaper check, to be followed by a test of physical coordination, before they each recite the Pledge of Allegiance backwards.
  
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  June 28, 2024 9:42am
- virtualmark
  
  Here’s Trump in 2016 saying that Hilary should be tested for drugs before their debate … https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/donald-trump-says-he-and-hillary-clinton-should-take-drug-tests-before-next-debate/64DWLNXS4CF5CP6QIBMSBAHUCA/
  
  Here’s Trump in 2020 saying Biden should be tested for drugs before their debate … https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-suggests-biden-take-drug-test-before-first-presidential-debate-92674117919
  
  But he repeats the same nonsense, and the MAGA trained seals all clap in unison again. Now, here, reward them with a fish …
  
  Suggestion: There’d be a lot more value in both of these old-age-candidates having a proper cognitive test, conducted by a panel of independent experts, before the debate rather than a drug test.
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:17am
- virtualmark
  
  Steve … a common-sense question … if there were drugs that somehow enhanced the performance of the President then would you agree that it would be sensible to put the President on them?
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:58am
- virtualmark
  
  Steve, this is gold …
  
  Stuart Stevens was part of George W Bush’s debate prep teams in 2000 and 2004.
  
  But Stuart Stevens also wrote a fantastic article about going on performance enhancing drugs to see how it improved his cycling. https://www.outsideonline.com/health/training-performance/drug-test/?scope=anon It’s a great read.
  
  His take on drugs and debating?
  
  “I am probably the only human on the planet who has taken a lot of performance-enhancing drugs and been involved in many presidential debate preps. I am here to be an expert witness that there ain’t any PEDs that will help you in a debate unless it is conducted on a treadmill with a refrigerator lifting contest thrown into the mix.”
  
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  June 28, 2024 11:10am
- MCōs
  
  https://x.com/joebiden/status/1806486230084812937?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
  
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  June 28, 2024 1:02pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350325050/chloe-swarbrick-still-believes-greens-can-overtake-labour-voice-left
For once, I agree with Ms Swarbrick.
There are a enough entitled, wannabe activists and influencers sitting in offices here now who have no regard for working people.
And who do not respect or accept the laws of the land.
Seriously, Labour needs to wake up and realise that they are being overtaken by a different governance model.
A model which is in the hands of the new elite .
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June 28, 2024 9:02am
- SpencerArnold
  
  Greens voters, in my experience, are either bored rich suburbanites who have their pile of money and want to show off, or unsuccessful individuals who have nothing to lose by asking other people to pay.
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:18am
Tasman devil

Golriz was asked when are you happiest and replied at the Boxing Day sales. True story.
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June 28, 2024 9:04am
Tasman devil

Golriz was sentenced according to the sales of justice.
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June 28, 2024 9:05am
- Paulus
  
  I am not happy with the way and what the lady judge gave evidence apparently in favour of GG about her frightening childhood in Iran – load of balls to help justify poor sentence.
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:52am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    All fun and games until one is not a wokester or not in a wokester designated “vulnerable group” and is up on false charges before these um, judges.
    
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    June 28, 2024 9:58pm
Matt Long

You’ve got to have deterrent level fines, $60,00 and up, for equipment failures leading to effluent spills, (Not for human sewage of course, that’s fine, we like to swim in that) but retail crime by rich privileged leftists, how about a token fine?
https://www.orc.govt.nz/news-and-events/news-and-media-releases/2019/august/dairy-company-sentenced-for-effluent-discharge
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June 28, 2024 9:07am
- Matt Long
  
  $60,000 that should have read.
  
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  June 28, 2024 11:33am
KH

War is ridiculous. Bombs come to your day at the beach.
https://www.southfront.press/in-video-leaked-videos-show-atacms-exploding-over-beach-in-sevastopol/
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June 28, 2024 9:20am
- The Goblin
  
  Something about that video doesn’t look right, some minor explosions out on the water but only one small burst of black smoke visible on the beach itself….staged?
  
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  June 28, 2024 11:08am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yep- only stupid people believe this nonsense.
    
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    June 28, 2024 12:23pm
  - mawm
    
    The Goblin – no, this is the release of cluster ammunition that hasn’t been armed. There will now be a mass of nice looking goodies for innocent children to pick up – one’s that will blow off their arms.
    Despite the USA can do nothing wrong from A-o-R, the USA is now a terrorist nation. Nobody should be using cluster ammunition where there are civilians, if at all. That’s why almost every country around the world has banned them.
    
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    June 28, 2024 1:54pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Oh dear JH, again you link to your dubious websites with fake video
  Gullible much?
  LOL
  
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  June 28, 2024 12:22pm
  - mawm
    
    It’s better than doubling down on stupidity.
    
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    June 28, 2024 1:57pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Russian missile defense from an military base 5km away hit a Ukrainian missile as it passed high above this beach. ATACMs carry about 300 bomblets that disperse over an area a few 100m diameter as they are released from spinning missile 1-2km up. The bomblets that hit this beach were clearly released far far higher (likely +5-10km given ballistic trajectory, which is not something ATACMs will ever do unmolested) as evidenced by the far wider dispersal pattern and relatively few bomblets falling far short of the ballistic trajectory of the missile.
  
  This is a consequence of idiot Russians holidaying in a very active war zone – on occupied Ukrainian land no-less. According to generally accepted rules of war Russia has a responsibility not to site military targets near civilians (and keep civilians away from targets), which they have clearly failed to do here.
  
  What is most amazing about this though is all the media for this incident as some sort of outrage, when Russia has been indiscriminately bombing residential areas, hospitals, schools, shops, cafes etc in Ukrainian towns and cities for years, lots of footage age POWs being executed, FPV drones murdering civilians (elderly people) walking along roads etc. Torture, murders, rapes in occupied regions. More than 100k war crimes recorded in detail and tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians murdered with barely a murmur.
  
  In short; fuck Russia and the people who promote and spread their propaganda.
  
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  June 28, 2024 2:17pm
  - KH
    
    My comment on the video I put up is that “war is ridiculous”. And it shows that clearly.
    If you want to make it into who is right, well do so, but it shows you miss the point.
    
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    June 28, 2024 4:39pm
  - mawm
    
    Nothing left – Have you looked at the position of the beach relative to the alleged target? It is further south and not anywhere near the trajectory of any missile aimed at the airport, the alleged target. Funny how the Americans have gone quiet suddenly.
    
    All the other crap you have posted about Russia bombing civilians, etc is simply not true, but the Ukies persist in targeting civilians in Belgorod, just like they had been doing for years in the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. There is also actual video of Ukrainian army knee-capping and other of them executing Russian POW’s.
    
    You are the one spreading propaganda while the rest of us prefer factual explanations.
    
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    June 28, 2024 8:58pm
KH

I can be even handed. Christmas Carols in you favourite retain outlet and Matariki maorisplaining.
Please make both go away.
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June 28, 2024 9:25am
artemisia

MSD said funding for budgeting services has dropped from just over $22 million last year to $19.5m from July, due to the expiry of a time-limited cash boost during the pandemic.

$22million for a year. Whatever happened to parents teaching their offspring about debt and saving?

What is interesting is that ‘sessions’ are no longer to be funded but financial mentors will be. That should up the game and hopefully there will be actual outcomes required and delivered rather than just the number of ‘sessions’. Those ‘sessions’ could mean anything and why not if there are $$ attached to each one.

I was a budgeting adviser for years. Volunteer, not paid. The change away from ‘sessions’ IMO is a good one. Still $20 mill a year though.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/520470/budgeting-cutbacks-there-will-be-nowhere-for-people-to-go-for-support
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June 28, 2024 9:34am
Bridgenag

Kansas Attorney General Report
The main points

“We’ve extracted the main points from the Kansas City Attorney General’s legal report on the case against Pfizer that we first mentioned in Due Process—all quotes are taken verbatim.

Due process
Due process
TOM JEFFERSON AND CARL HENEGHAN

Read full story
This is a lengthy post, and we’d recommend having an anger management strategy to hand while reading. ”

https://open.substack.com/pub/trusttheevidence/p/kansas-attorney-general-report?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 28, 2024 10:05am
- mawm
  
  This is what the AG is taking to court. One assumes that he has sufficient evidence to back it up.
  Already 5 down ticks! I would wager that not one of those have actually read the analysis by the well respected epidemiologist and professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University.
  
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  June 28, 2024 2:03pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder how the betting odds will change after the Trump v Biden debate. On Sports Bet Oz Trump pays $1.67 and Biden pays $2.70.
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June 28, 2024 10:09am
- Vinicius
  
  The grumpy old men debate. I find both of them underwhelming, ditto RFK jr.
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:26am
  - Mike
    
    Pity the US voter. Perhaps fortunately, since about 1980 voter policy preferences have had no impact on actual political decisions.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:41am
    - MCōs
      
      The average American has far less interest in who wins the presidency than we do if the turnout is anything to go by
      
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      June 28, 2024 11:39am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    You’re a lefty Vinicius? Who do you find invigorating????
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:01pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Trump $1.57 Biden $3.40
  
  Debate almost finished.
  
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  June 28, 2024 2:35pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Trump pays $1.57
  Biden pays $4.33
  Newson Pays $6.50
  
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  June 28, 2024 3:26pm
I remember when

Vanishing Islands That Failed to Vanish: NY Times.
“low-lying tropical island nations were expected to be early victims of rising seas.
But research tells a surprising story: Many islands are stable.
Some have even grown.”
“…researchers began sifting through aerial images….”
“They looked at a couple dozen islands first, then several hundred, and by now close to 1,000.
By and large, their area hadn’t shrunk.
In some cases, it was the exact opposite: They grew.”
The seas rose, and the islands expanded with them.”

But then the media and ‘climate change’ officials have already told us that, haven’t they?
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June 28, 2024 10:21am
- Mike
  
  It’s only common sense that as the seas rise islands float upwards too.
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:42am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Common sense says Michael? Has the Left moved on to another false narrative to secure power? I thought Climate Change would kill us all in a few years???
    
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    June 28, 2024 12:24pm
  - Peter S
    
    The process is called vertical accretion.
    
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7286686/
    
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    June 28, 2024 3:35pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, Charles Darwin knew exactly what was going on with Coral atolls 2 centuries ago
    
    https://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F271&viewtype=text&pageseq=1
    
    Seems it is going to take another 200 years before the Climate alarmists wake up.
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/26/climate/maldives-islands-climate-change.html
    
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    June 28, 2024 3:38pm
- kowtow
  
  Is the NYT only coming to this now.
  
  This information has been available for long time.
  
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  June 28, 2024 11:09am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    There is a suspicion among the scientific sceptic community that the alarmists know their crap has been completely exposed. They are starting to walk things back in readiness for slinking away as the whole “climate crisis” narrative totally collapses.
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:53pm
- KH
  
  There problem is not sea level rise. It’s population explosion. Some of these places are near standing room only (exaggeration of course but getting there. You want to build a dwelling, it’s on stilts over the sea.
  
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  June 28, 2024 4:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How the Hunter laptop bombshell could be a major moment during debate.
“Jim Jordan said he plans to brief Donald Trump on how ex-intel officials who signed on to the letter deeming the Hunter Biden laptop misinformation were being actively paid by the CIA.”

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/how-the-hunter-laptop-bombshell-could-be-a-major-moment-during-debate/ss-BB1p0G9E?
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June 28, 2024 10:44am
- Jethrod
  
  Which outlets have the debate(?) of the year Steve?
  
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  June 28, 2024 11:01am
  - AitchW
    
    I do wonder about the value of these “debates”. Biden will prevaricate and meander, Trump will talk over him, bluff and bluster. God knows what the facilitator will do to make it even slightly coherent.
    How many change their vote as a result of the debate? The right will claim a resounding victory as will the left.
    The only reason to watch it is as a perverse entertainment; it’s a freak show.
    
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    June 28, 2024 11:30am
    - lifesgood
      
      Trump won’t be able to talk over him. In order to favour senile Biden Trump’s mike will be cut off whenever Biden speaks.
      
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      June 28, 2024 11:52am
      - All_on_Red
        
        There is also going to be a 1-2 minute delay so CNN can effectively edit the debate.
        
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        June 28, 2024 12:20pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        I imagine Trump will have recording gear to show unedited responses if there are shenanigan’s from CNN.
        
        I wonder if Trump or his team will be bringing jamming equip to prevent any secreted ear-bud comms devices talking to Biden?
        
        Trump should probably try to tone down his usual bluster and let Biden hang himself.
        
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        June 28, 2024 2:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ask who posted my link. It is quite simple to do.
    
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    June 28, 2024 6:33pm
AitchW

I’ve been pondering exactly why TPM seem to be prone to regular outbursts of racist rhetoric. It occurs to me that they’re indulging in what can only be characterised as “Toddler Politcs”.
What do I mean by that? Anyone who has had kids knows that toddlers crave attention. If the adults are talking then sometimes the only way to get their attention is to indulge in behaviour that the toddlers knows will get attention, and that is bad behaviour.
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June 28, 2024 11:01am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Its playing to the base… the racist, tribal based Maori. Any there are a few of them as per the 2023 voting.
  
  And they out there pushing the anti whitey message to any vulnerable Maori they can. The activism is apparent at a local level.
  
  If you live in a mainly white, middle class suburb you wont see a lot of it. In the working class areas its getting nasty by the year… ‘youse stole our land’ is the excuse for all sorts of thieving and abuse
  
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  June 28, 2024 12:27pm
I remember when

The last of the monarch caterpillars is still alive on the swan plant in the garden.
A number had lasted until the beginning of June when they all seemed to disappear at once.
On the colder mornings they seemed to be in a stupor before resuming life if the temperature rose sufficiently.
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June 28, 2024 11:20am
- Don Beckett
  
  They probably disappeared into the belly of a hungry praying mantis.
  
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  June 28, 2024 11:55am
  - I remember when
    
    During the season the African praying mantis were a source of population control.
    
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    June 28, 2024 12:59pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Alas Smith and Jones: Praying Mantis Wedding Sketch”
    
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    June 28, 2024 2:14pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Preying mantis. Praying mantises are to be found in mantis church.
    
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    June 28, 2024 7:57pm
kevn

In case you missed it in the MSM…
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/06/27/the-devastating-charge-sheet-against-pfizer/
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June 28, 2024 11:25am
David Garrett

So now GG has “loss reactive shop lifting” !

In a sentencing hearing this week, defence lawyer Annabel Cresswell cited “loss-reactive shoplifting”

What a load of total crap.
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June 28, 2024 11:57am
- AitchW
  
  Don’t forget that she’s a woman of colour and by definition the victim of paternalism and colonialist oppression.
  The left has a laundry list of excuses for bad behaviour when it’s one of theirs.
  We cis white males should hang our heads in shame, everything everywhere is our fault.
  
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  June 28, 2024 12:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Fortunately for dumbos like me, RNZ has raced to inform us all about “loss-reactive shoplifting”.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/what-you-need-to-know/520731/what-is-loss-reactive-shoplifting-cited-in-golriz-ghahraman-s-court-case
  
  However, because I have zilch qualifications in psychobabble, I can’t decipher what it all means….
  
  “Sometimes it’s not even clear to the person themselves why they did it in that very moment.”
  
  Back around Kaiti and Castlecliff, where folks don’t do too much psychobabbling, we are pretty much of the opinion that most folks shoplift because they’re thieves.
  
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  June 28, 2024 12:37pm
  - rouppe
    
    Has anyone said what the loss was that she was reacting to?
    
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    June 28, 2024 12:51pm
  - I remember when
    
    Obviously the authorities and medical professionals have missed a chance to reduce the need for consultations.
    Simply pop down to the local courthouse to identify previously undetected cases of illnesses and victims of bad family behaviour.
    
    Quite simply it begs the question of whether anyone is guilty of committing a crime now.
    
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    June 28, 2024 12:57pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  David, [Mod – use correct names]
  
  Daddy was a pauper in Iran (he worked as an Agricultural Engineer) and Mummy was badly oppressed as well (studied Child psychology after the Revolution). So the home was bereft of intellectual stimulation, which for one as gifted as [Mod – use correct names]
  was a real burden…
  
  And they had to run away from Iran due to all the bombing where they lived – it was hell growing up 800 plus kilometres from the front…. absolute HELL.
  
  And NZ took her and the family in, where mummy and daddy ran small businesses till they retired…. imagine the indignity of having to run a small business for a living when mummy and daddy were soooo qualified for a life among the Elite of a small backward nation, …sorry did I say small backward nation – I meant a lovely little country
  
  Since [Mod – use correct names]
  was 9 years old, poor GiGi has lived in an oppressive, patriarchal society with dedicated behaviourial police (National Party members of course, not Shia Religious Police silly- they stay in Iran) – this was bound to scar her for life and leave her with PTSD
  
  So in closing David, I really think you owe your fellow lawyer, [Mod – use correct names]
  , more sympathy and you should accept her self proclaimed victimhood in the way it was presented…. as unvarnished and undistorted lived experience truth (Tm Left Wing Politics Victimhood Inc. – all resemblance to the truth and real life characters is purely unintentionally)
  
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  June 28, 2024 12:41pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Oh for goodness sake – ITS SATIRE.
    
    Using Pet Names, by putting little i’s in between her initials, is highlighting the sheer gall of Golriz and her victimhood claims. She is supremely privileged
    
    The Left CONSTANTLY satirise the Right but we cant return it in a gentle way???
    
    And by the way you missed one anyway after ruining the post flow.
    
    Give me a ban because this is OTT in the extreme
    
    The name used was not abusive or diminishing in any way – frankly that is moderation over reach
    
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    June 28, 2024 7:54pm
- nathie
  
  So the rationale has transitioned from “Scotties Free” to now become “Scot-Free”?? 😉
  
  Qualifier: ” for me and not for thee”, of course!
  
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  June 28, 2024 1:08pm
Damocles11

Hooton is attacking Chris Bishop in the marxist Herald today. As a lobbyist for hire he has obviously been given a new task by the property industry. It’s behind the paywall but the thrust of it can easily be deduced from the header:

‘Matthew Hooton: Chris Bishop’s housing obsession – does he want to crash the economy?’
‘House price fall risks ratings downgrade.’
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June 28, 2024 12:51pm
- lifesgood
  
  I have zilch respect for Hooton. Runs with the hares, hunts with the hounds and sells his soul to the highest bidder. Despicable behaviour.
  
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  June 28, 2024 1:47pm
  - Keith White
    
    Yes, and he doesn’t even stay bought….
    
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    June 28, 2024 3:17pm
bennerg

I know this is going to upset a few individuals here like Ghost, but the issue of Tom Philips has disappeared from the front pages, just as Tom and his family have.

The heavy handed attempt by the Police to bring in Tom and his family has failed – big time. It is obvious that with all their resources, these bastions of power and control have achieved nothing but to alienate the locals at Marokopa, and entrench the support for Tom.

They better than most know the back story that has been denied us by a compliant media who have failed to ask the difficult questions, and provide us with the whole and real truth. Or just give out partial truths like at one stage saying “Tom does not have custody of the children” – without saying who did, or failing to mention that Tom had sole custody up until his second venture into the bush.

Then the very artificial video of the mother appealing for the return of “her children”. Various informal reports indicate she is the last person the children need in their life, and of course no background provided as to why Tom had sole custody, and not her as is most common today.

The Police and Kainga Ora proclaim to have the “best interests of the children” at heart in their over the top reaction here. Well if they do, may I respectfully suggest the following steps:

1. The Police issue a statement, regretting the handling of the case, and they will now drop all charges against Tom Phillips. They acknowledge that their mishandling of the case drove Tom to “go bush” with the children.

2. As a compromise, Kainga Ora will accept that custody is restored to the Phillips family, by that I mean both Tom and his parents, and that Tom is allowed to return to their home with the children, where the children can return to school in that local community, surrounded by their “own people” – not a rabble of psychologists and social workers from the city who want to “re-educate and brainwash” them.

3. If the mother is deemed fit to to do, she is allowed visitation rights relevant to her history (which while we have not the full details, indicate she has had, and still has “issues”).

The alternative here is that due to the mighty stuff up by Police and Kainga Ora, Tom now has a far greater support group, and I might posit that it is far more widespread, and that Tom and the kids are long gone from the area. Sadly distanced from the grand parents and other close family members, as they will not want to expose their positions by “trackers” – but that I mean our cellphones and other devices that track our every movement. The kids will reappear on their 18th birthdays and of course allowed to live where they want from there on.

So the challenge is out there. Do the Police and Kainga Ora REALLY have the kids interests at the top of their priority list, or do they want to keep up the charade that they know best, and anything else must be subdued.

The reality is the people of the area have spoken, and as we speak, these organisations are simply tone deaf.
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June 28, 2024 1:14pm
- lifesgood
  
  I don’t buy your theories. If he had sole custody there was no need to go bush and deprive the children of a normal education anda decent life.
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:22pm
- Ghost
  
  The most idiot post I’ve seen lately, asking the police to drop charges against someone who has shot someone, assaulted others, robbed businesses and individuals. Dear god, I bet in one breath you demand the government be tough on crime, then in another you the fantasy this guy is innocent, and should be forgiven for multiple crimes, moronic.
  
  Stop making shit up. Either your Tom or you are delusional wanting this dangerous man to have custody of his children.
  
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  June 28, 2024 8:29pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Fighting the good fight for the sisterhood, whenever and where ever?
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:05pm
    - Ghost
      
      Oh right you are back with this stupid sisterhood crap. Is wanting a criminal who has robbed people, assaulted people, kidnapped children from their mother part of your sisterhood crap. What other crimes do you think the police should refuse to prosecute. If this was a Māori people on this blog would be screaming for the police to arrest those protecting him. Feel free to let us know what crimes you think should not be punished.
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:18pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Oh I’d like to know the whole story. Unlikely to be told though.
        
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        June 28, 2024 10:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        We know enough, he has robbed businesses, he has robbed individuals. He has shot at a supermarket worker. Carried out an armed robbery of a bank. Involved at least one child in a crime he committed. He stole a vehicle, attacked the owner of that vehicle. Thank god he’s white, if he was a green mp or Māori the outrage on kiwiblog would be deafening.
        
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        June 28, 2024 11:22pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost: “We know enough”.
        
        Do we?
        
        If a woman sticks an axe through a man’s head in his sleep and claims it was self defense against illegal imprisonment and abuse, do we just look at the violent act on it’s own and declare “case closed, she’s a murderer”? Or do we endeavor to look at the whole story?
        
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        June 29, 2024 4:07pm
      - Ghost
        
        And let’s look at his letter to her
        
        “These past nine months I have suffered everyday knowing I should have dealt with things better and knowing that I f**ked up.
        
        “Hindsight is great right, or not because now I know there was a better way and I have to live with that for the rest of my life.
        
        “You have a beautiful personality and the happiest years of my life are because of you. You have brought me so much joy and I don’t feel complete without you.
        
        “I hope you can remember the man you fell in love with and know that although I make multiple f**k ups I have a good heart and I mean well.
        
        “We get on so well, and we are an awesome couple. We have an awesome family and that is worth fighting for,” said the letter.
        
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        June 29, 2024 4:30pm
  - balanceplease
    
    bennerg is trying to explain we don’t have the full story, we don’t know the full facts so we cant fairly judge the situation.
    Why don’t we know the full facts? Because the authorities and and main stream media wont give us the full facts. Without the full facts we don’t know if Tom Phillips is a really bad man, or just a loving father who panicked when the authorities took away his right to be a father (as happens to a great many fathers in NZ). We just don’t know the answers in this case.
    Imagine Tom Phillips gets put on trial and you are on the jury, and the authorities wont tell the jury the back story, wouldn’t you tell the judge it was impossible to reach a fair decision?
    
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    June 29, 2024 11:04am
    - Ghost
      
      No. Both you twits are trying to support a criminal. And he wants the criminal to not face charges for his crimes. He wants a man who kidnapped the children and involved them in crimes to be given custody of the children. Nice to know we have a small group of people on this blog who support white criminals, white people who have assaults and shot at people, carried out armed robbery of a bank. Moronic.
      
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      June 29, 2024 11:22am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Because you write that you are sick Ghost, I’m going to give you a free pass on your abuse on this occasion. 😜
        I hope you get well quickly.
        
        We know he’s committed the crimes you’ve outlined. However, it is not “moronic” or being a “twit” to want to know the whole story.
        
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        June 29, 2024 4:13pm
      - Ghost
        
        Disagree the above person is an idiot. When he wants a person who has committed multiple crimes to be let off and not charged for those crimes, then yes he is an idiot. When he thinks that same person who has involved his child in a crime, kidnapped the children should have custody, then he really is an idiot. Tom is going to jail, nothing is going to stop that. Tom won’t have custody again, his own actions caused that.
        
        Pots isn’t an illness, it’s a challenge to beat
        
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        June 29, 2024 4:33pm
David Garrett

Well, Biden is doing a lot better than I thought he would…does anyone know if they got the questions in advance??
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June 28, 2024 2:02pm
- krazykiwi
  
  There is no way he hasn’t seen the questions. And he’s still struggling to use his 2 minute slots. “Mr Biden, you have 82 seconds left. Do you have any other initiatives you’d like to highlight?”. Lol.
  
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  June 28, 2024 2:10pm
- surfing
  
  My thoughts too.
  
  I thought Biden would crumble, although he made a couple of errors in his numbers but corrected them.
  
  The personal attacks put me off… Biden is being sucked into doing the same.
  
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  June 28, 2024 2:13pm
- Northshoredoc
  
  Can’t remember two more awful candidates for an election in the USA
  
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  June 28, 2024 2:20pm
- surfing
  
  Ha, Biden went into a loop talking about his golf handicap… stuttering, changing his handicap… there’s his senility.
  
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  June 28, 2024 2:26pm
  - jkt
    
    Ever played golf?
    ⛳️
    What was your handicap?
    When?
    
    Trump is a true golf champion…. Not as good as Kim Jong Un.
    
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    June 28, 2024 3:57pm
- jkt
  
  I do not think so. If ….
  The Trump did not prepare!
  
  The AlleyCat association of America has filed a lawsuit against Biden for defamation.
  
  Biden stares and barks at the moon….. Fox 🦊. I particularly like his imitation of Martin Luther King …… best in history …….history.
  
  “America are losers.” Trump.
  “America is the worst place on the planet!” Trump.
  
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  June 28, 2024 2:39pm
slightlyrighty

Trump doesn’t seem to understand the questions being asked. He’s being asked about the opioid epidemic and he’s rambling about Mexicans and Putin laughing at the US….
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June 28, 2024 2:20pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  He got to the point when told he had time left to answer. ie. stopping the drugs coming over the border by closing it.
  
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  June 28, 2024 3:32pm
  - jkt
    
    Build that wall! Build that wall!
    
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    June 28, 2024 3:51pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You need 1000 upticks
      
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      June 28, 2024 6:37pm
- newview
  
  SR that’s what I saw also. All eyes were on Joe who I thought had at least some idea of the questions. Trump couldn’t answer anything directly and to me didn’t look much sharper than Biden. A lot of what he did say you’d like if you’re a believer. Most of it was drivel imo.
  
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  June 28, 2024 3:37pm
  - bennerg
    
    Newview – Trump was playing the game here – the questions were a setup from the left (as we all CNN is) and so took the opportunity whenever he could to turn the narrative his way – and well played I may say.
    
    It’s not about being a “compliant” interviewee – it’s about taking control and getting your message across – not necessarily what the interviewer is trying to portray.
    
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    June 28, 2024 4:12pm
NothingLeft

More evidence of Biden money laundering:
https://nypost.com/2024/06/25/real-estate/joe-and-jill-biden-refinanced-their-delaware-home-20-times/

They take out a mortgage on their home, and then it is repaid. They continue to do this over decades roughly every 18 months on average.

Methinks if those repayment transactions are analyzed in detail someone/s will be going to jail.
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June 28, 2024 2:32pm
fredonas

Trump vs. Biden debate was a walkover for Trump IMHO.
Trump was calm, confident and completely outclassed walking dead man Biden.
It was JFK vs. Nixon for geriatrics 😊
“It’s an open casket funeral” as Crowder said.
I think one of the reasons the Dems wanted this debate so early is so that goldfish US voters will have forgotten about it by November.
Also strange that the moderator’s audio was fine but Trump and Biden’s audio sounded tinny and robotic.
Was it a ploy to try and cover for Biden’s low volume mumbling?
Or was it a phase issue with the lapel lav mic and the podium mic? Should have been fixed in the prep if so. Poor pre-production.
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June 28, 2024 2:46pm
- jkt
  
  The AllyCat was all over, the place, with policies like a true ….
  
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  June 28, 2024 4:01pm
mogg

Rambling Joe mixing up millions with billions , doesn’t know the tax rates, mumbling and then freezing all together.
From watching the highlights Trump would be the clear winner, he is quite right when he says that by lifting his embargo on trade with Iran Biden caused the Palestinian Israeli war.
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June 28, 2024 2:50pm
- Jethrod
  
  Biden was like Ossie Osborne on speed.
  
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  June 28, 2024 3:20pm
- fredonas
  
  “The US has 1000 trillionaires… sorry, billionaires” was one of many times that Biden stumbled badly.
  As discussed on the Crowder live stream on Rumble, one of the reasons for having this debate earlier than usual may be to give the Dems an excuse to replace Biden at the Democratic convention in August.
  
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  June 28, 2024 3:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I caught that! He must have had advice from AOC.
  
  The only difference between a million and a billion is three zeros, and zeros have no value there is no extra cost.
  Or something
  
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  June 28, 2024 6:41pm
Ghost

Argh. I’m at the ED having a saline drip. Walk into the hospital, rainbow flags flying on the receptions computers. Go into the ED, rainbow balloons. Nothing for Matariki.
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June 28, 2024 3:47pm
- krazykiwi
  
  You’re ok, Ghost?
  
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  June 28, 2024 4:07pm
  - Ghost
    
    Yeah, my POTs dropped my blood pressure to the point I needed a saline drip. It happens every now and then.
    
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    June 28, 2024 4:11pm
    - newview
      
      What’s POT Ghost
      
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      June 28, 2024 4:35pm
      - fredonas
        
        Postural tachycardia syndrome
        https://www.potsuk.org/about-pots/what-is-pots/
        
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        June 28, 2024 4:38pm
      - newview
        
        Taa Fred
        
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        June 28, 2024 5:11pm
      - greybeard
        
        Her: Oh doctor, I’m in trouble
        Him: Well, goodness gracious me
        Her: For every time a certain man
        Is standing next to me
        Him: Mmm?
        Her: A flush comes to my face
        And my pulse begins to race
        It goes boom boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom
        Boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom-boom-boom
        Him: Oh!
        Her: Boom boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom
        Him: Well, goodness gracious me
        
        Him: How often does this happen?
        When did the trouble start?
        You see, my stethoscope is bobbing
        To the throbbing of your heart
        Her: What kind of man is he
        To create this allergy?
        It goes boom boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom
        Boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom-boom-boom
        Him: Oh!
        Her: Boom boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom
        Him: Well, goodness gracious me
        
        Him: From New Delhi to Darjeeling
        I have done my share of healing
        And I’ve never yet been beaten or outboxed
        I remember that with one jab
        Of my needle in the Punjab
        How I cleared up beriberi
        And the dreaded dysentery
        But your complaint has got me really foxed
        Her: Oh
        Her: Oh doctor, touch my fingers
        Him: Well, goodness gracious me
        You might also like
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        Billie Eilish
        LUNCH
        Billie Eilish
        One Less Bell to Answer / A House Is Not a Home
        Glee Cast
        Her: You may be very clever
        But however, can’t you see
        My heart beats much too much
        At a certain tender touch
        It goes boom boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom
        Boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom-boom-boom
        Him: I like it!
        Her: Boom boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom
        Him: Well, goodness gracious me.
        
        Him: Can I see your tongue?
        Her: Aaah
        Him: Nothing the matter with it, put it away please
        Her: Maybe it’s my back
        Him: Maybe it is
        Her: Shall I lie down?
        Him: Yes
        Her: Ahhh…
        Him: My initial diagnosis
        Rules out measles and thrombosis
        Sleeping sickness and, as far as I can tell
        Influenza, inflammation
        Whooping cough and night starvation
        And you’ll be so glad to hear
        That both your eyeballs are so clear
        That I can positively swear that you are well
        Ja-ja, ja-ja-ja-ja
        Her: Put two and two together
        Him: Four
        Her: If you have eyes to see
        The face that makes my pulses race
        Is right in front of me
        Him: Oh, there is nothing I can do
        For my heart is jumping too
        Both: Oh, we go boom boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom
        Boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom-boom-boom
        Boom boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom
        Her: Goodness gracious
        Him: How audacious!
        Her: Goodness gracious
        Him: How flirtatious!
        Her: Goodness gracious
        Him: It is me
        Her: It is you?
        Him: Ah, I’m sorry, it is us
        Both: Ahhh!
        
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        June 28, 2024 7:27pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Plain Old Telephone Service.
        
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        June 28, 2024 10:06pm
      - fredonas
        
        NZ in Exile, Sorry I reported you by mistake instead of Replying 🙄
        I meant to say that I worked for Telecom Systems Wellington back in the day and know POTS well 🙂👍
        
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        June 28, 2024 10:42pm
- O C Smith
  
  Which hosp?
  
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  June 28, 2024 4:29pm
  - hookerphil
    
    My wife said Timaru Hospital had rainbow stuff around last week.
    
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    June 28, 2024 5:02pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Your nurse is a 150kg bloke with a dress on and makeup?
  
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  June 28, 2024 10:07pm
  - Ghost
    
    No you ween’t my nurse
    
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    June 28, 2024 10:21pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      True that. 😛
      
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      June 28, 2024 10:56pm
Jack5

Just notice Radio NZ has branched out from its NZ Pidgin (English and Maori languages mixed).

It’s broadcasting news in Solomon Islands Pidgin:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/programmes/pacificlangaugesnews/audio/2018944686/news-in-solomon-islands-pidgin-for-28-june-2024
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- NZer In Exile
  
  I find it hard to believe that most lefties genuinely like listening to RNZ’s random language mashups. Sure, there will be a few posers that are right into it and pat themselves on the back for understanding the bits of Maori language that are injected. Can’t imagine that would be many people though.
  
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  June 28, 2024 11:11pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Unfortunately, I think that you are quite mistaken. 😅
    
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    June 29, 2024 8:55am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yeah maybe they get a tingle up the spine even if they don’t know WTF was just said? 🤷‍♂️
      
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      June 29, 2024 4:15pm

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