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peterwn

There is a forgotten part to the Parable of the Talents where the Master entrusted 5, 2 and 1 talents to his servants to use responsibly. There was a fourth servant to whom the Master entrusted the running of a transport service including a ferry service. The ferries were old and needed replacement. So the servant arranged to buy two new large ferries that were too big to operate safely with the waterway. When the Master returned he praised the first two servants for investing the talents wisely. All the third servant had to show was the one talent and the master had him thrown out with much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the fourth servant gave an account of his action and said he needed 3 billion talents to complete the purchase and build the two wharves. The Master was really furious, took the stewardship of the lucrative ferry service off the servant and told him to keep running the unprofitable horse and cart service.
So this is why looking ahead a few years, Kiwirail will be reduced to merely running two rail systems with the ferries run by someone who knows what he is doing.
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June 27, 2024 8:01am
- trout
  
  I have been long puzzled as to why the Master took the 1 talent from the ‘slothful and unfaithful servant’ and gave it to the servant who had doubled his talents to total 10 and ignored the second servant who had also doubled his talents (to have four). Making the rich richer!
  We had this parable read to us at the beginning of each college term in an effort to inspire the feckless. The double entendre use of the word talent was inspired.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:43am
  - peterwn
    
    Like the workers in the vineyard parable which runs right against the principles of equity, social justice, fairness and modern HR.
    
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    June 27, 2024 12:14pm
    - jkt
      
      The parable deals with the evil of Entitlement!
      
      PS.
      One needs to go back to the minutes of the meetings where values were considered.
      
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      June 27, 2024 1:51pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Worth a watch regarding Worlds press.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZpW0a5snGo
  
  Maritime NZ and Kiwi Rail are really playing a numbers game with Lives.
  
  I do not really appreciate the severe consequences had the Kaitaki run aground with passengers and Aratere lost steering outside the Heads.
  
  Both Organisations need to be gutted and rebuilt due to both “Cultures ” with in.
  
  And too keep on pressing home the importance of Shipping to NZ,
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/economy/128441/asb-economists-expect-considerably-more-modest-inflation-impact-nz-during-pandemic
  
  Gee, Who would of thought //
  
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  June 27, 2024 10:06am
  - rouppe
    
    The board chair, David McLean, used to be CEO of Westpac NZ.
    
    His last act there was to instigate an operating model review and change. The consultants he got in to conduct the review was McKinsey.
    
    Part of the recommendations was that my job role was made redundant. I got paid out for 13 years service. Thank you very much.
    There was also a decree that all of Westpac IT (95% in Wellington) was to move to Auckland.
    They sweetened the pot a bit, saying they’d pay a bunch of money for moving, and some other financial incentives. If you didn’t move you would be made redundant.
    The first time they asked for expressions of interest to moving they got less than 10 takers.
    
    I left in 2019. Since then most of those changes have been rolled back. In particular, being made redundant by not moving to Auckland is off the table. The whole exercise really was a pretty big failure.
    
    McLean went to KiwiRail. Where he initiated a review. Where he got in McKinsey. Who made recommendations that have now been shown to be so silly they’ve been thrown out.
    
    Draw your own conclusions from that.
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:26am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      McKinsey is always the go to company for looking at an industry, we used them in the wool industry over viability of wool and their suggestion was cut mid micron wools out of the system, of course as soon as they suggested this, mid micron wools took off, and have only dropped in price due to Les planes cruise ships and hotels being built.
      
      The reason planes, cruise ships and hotels use wool in furnishings is because it is not a flannel product like synthetics
      
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      June 27, 2024 12:04pm
      - peterwn
        
        You mean Inflammable, not flannel.
        
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        June 27, 2024 12:17pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Petewn
        
        Yes sorry, predictive text can sometimes put a completely different text when you press go
        
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        June 27, 2024 1:05pm
- virtualmark
  
  It’s a cool sounding story, but:
  
  * The assessment of new ferries covered 4 key options … two vs three ferries, and rail enabled vs non-rail
  * A key criteria was providing enough capacity for the forecast traffic growth over the next 10-20 years. Skating to where the puck is going, not where it is right now.
  * Two ferries was preferred for sensible operational reasons (personally I preferred three mid-sized ferries, but that’s more capital cost & operational cost)
  * Yes, of course the Wellington & Marlborough harbour boards were consulted and involved in the decisions.
  * The proposed ferries are smaller than the cruise liners that go in and out of Picton each summer … so am I to now believe those ships are unsafe?
  * The proposed ferries were designed to have minimal wash – that was one of the key criteria for the marine architects
  * At the time the ferry choice was made there was little to no indication the landside costs would be as high as they’ve turned out to be.
  * But similar new landside developments were required for the 2 vs 3 ferry scenarios … it’s driven by traffic growth & seismic requirements, and the size of the ferries is a bit of a red herring.
  * The high landside costs have been primarily driven by seismic and climate change issues, not by the size of the ferries.
  * The high landside costs are symptomatic of a larger problem we have as a country, which is (a) how do we best balance cost vs (seismic) safety and (b) why are planning, approval and construction costs running so far ahead of inflation?
  
  It’s easy to sit at your desk and criticise decisions. But my advice to you is that large capex decisions like this aren’t made on hunches, and they are backed by far more analysis than you’re doing at your keyboard.
  
  That’s not to say that the ferry decisions have proven right, or the best decisions. Just that it’s best to try and understand more about the objectives, rationales and constraints of a decision before you compose works of fiction.
  
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  June 27, 2024 11:19am
  - virtualmark
    
    Hey downtickers, a suggestion … why don’t you comment here about what you think the best path forward is re the Interisland ferries?
    
    Is it buy second-hand or buy new?
    
    Is it buy small, medium or large?
    
    What do you propose for the landside infrastructure?
    
    None of these decisions are simple. None of them are cheap. But step up and give us the constructive benefit of your wisdom.
    
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    June 27, 2024 12:00pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      By two brand new the same size as we have for about $750mill, no infrastructure needed
      
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      June 27, 2024 12:05pm
      - virtualmark
        
        The current ferries are too small for the Christmas surge … so you’re not adding any additional capacity?
        
        And certainly no additional capacity for the forecast growth over the next 10-15 years?
        
        And the current landside infrastructure isn’t robust and the Wellington end is expected to fail catastrophically in an earthquake … which is just when it’d be really useful to have a roll-on roll-off link to the city.
        
        So $750 million to not even fix today’s problems, let alone tomorrow’s.
        
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        June 27, 2024 1:10pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Buy 3. 2 is a dumb number for reasons of maintenance windows and cover if an accident occurs.
        
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        June 27, 2024 3:34pm
      - virtualmark
        
        JimBobJoe,
        
        I too had the same preference. But then you get scheduling problems where two ferries are in one port at the same time. So you then need to either sacrifice your schedule or duplicate landside infrastructure … and the cost of just one set of landside infrastructure was already prohibitive.
        
        Added to which three medium sized ferries cost more to buy and operate than two large ferries.
        
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        June 27, 2024 3:57pm
  - peterwn
    
    mmmmm. For starters cruise ships do not use Tory Channel and use Shakespeare Bay. Then the Marlborough harbourmaster want the new ferries not to use the Tory Channel (meaning half an hour more sailing) at least for the first six months of operation and probably never). Perhaps someone thinks the harbourmaster is a silly old twerp who can be over-ruled.
    Looks like someone determined the outcome first then desperately tried to build a case around it. As far as construction costs are concerned one has to face reality, construction costs are not what someone thinks they ought to be.
    Kiwirail people were greedy and it has bitten them in the bum.
    
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    June 27, 2024 12:29pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      This will be the cost blow out, Labour completely stuffed up, treasury told them not to buy large ships the same info that the government got.
      
      In a time yesterday they suggested Labour ordered and did not even bother to check these things , Peters also suggested Hipkins did not know something g but still ordered without diligence
      
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      June 27, 2024 1:12pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Yes, the cruise ships don’t use Tory Channel primarily because it calls for ships masters experienced in that channel. Which the ferries have, but the cruise ships don’t.
      
      The requirement is to efficiently move a growing volume of people, cars and freight across the Strait. Forcing the ferries to go the long way around doesn’t accomplish that.
      
      From what I saw, the KiwiRail people were realistic, particularly about traffic volumes, safety, resilience and operational efficiency.
      
      Yes, the landside costs spiralled to crazy levels and it’s completely appropriate to call a halt and re-think those. But that doesn’t change those realities about traffic volumes, safety and resilience.
      
      Look, I don’t have a horse in this race. My income doesn’t rest on whether KiwiRail get these ferries or not. All I’m pointing out is that the underlying problem hasn’t changed, and so I suspect any new solution is going to end up looking a lot like the one we’ve just cancelled.
      
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      June 27, 2024 1:16pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        If the traffic levels grow, it doesnt have to be KiwiRail that responds. Bluebridge would operate a 3rd ship if the profit margin was there.
        
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        June 27, 2024 3:35pm
      - wsk12345
        
        You’re wrong. The cruise ships cannot go safely into Tory. The currents around tide changes are significant and there are shallow areas inside the channel where the current t boats have bottomed out on a number of occasions (but not got stuck). I know this from a reliable eye witness who lived and operated fishing boats out of the channel.
        
        The harbourmaster was clear that he would not ok the new ferries to use Tory. At times even the current t ferries take the northern entrance if warranted by conditions.
        
        Picton has been torn apart by the need for massive new pre loading areas for the bigger boats. It’s sad what they have taken away – what state will it be returned in?
        
        Staff were consulted with regarding the two cs 3 boats and I’m told overwhelmingly voted for three. More manageable, more redundancy etc.
        
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        June 27, 2024 3:58pm
      - virtualmark
        
        JimBobJoe,
        
        Bluebridge is just a few years away from facing their own landside infrastructure issues.
        
        Bluebridge aren’t magicians, and InterIslander aren’t turnips. Both are trying to eke out old end-of-life ships with end-of-life landside infrastructure. At some point (soon) that model breaks down, irregardless of who owns what ships.
        
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        June 27, 2024 4:01pm
      - virtualmark
        
        wsk12345,
        
        I’m not a ferry captain, so I’m happy to defer to someone who is.
        
        But I do know that KiwiRail canvassed these issues in their analysis of future ferries, and that groups like CentrePort and Ports of Marlborough had input into that analysis … it wasn’t just some chap interviewing his typewriter.
        
        My experience is that if you see something that seems too dumb to be true (“KiwiRail bought ferries that were too big for Tory Channel and Picton harbour”) then it probably isn’t true and there’s something more to the story that you need to uncover.
        
        There were clear economic reasons for going with two large ships over three medium sized ones.
        
        FYI my wife’s family had a bach in Tory Channel (boat access only) for many years, so we know it well. We provided lots of photos and measurements back in the “fast ferry wash” days so I was interested in the size of the ferries from that point of view.
        
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        June 27, 2024 4:32pm
slightlyrighty

Golriz sentencing today.

I wish some journo would ask her “Which designer are you wearing today and do they know you are?”
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June 27, 2024 8:05am
kevn

A global stupidness…
https://notthebee.com/article/wapo-says-weve-accidentally-cooling-the-planet-because-fossil-fuel-burning-has-cooled-the-planet-while-warming-it-and-ive-done-my-best-to-translate-the-clown-speak-for-ya-?
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June 27, 2024 8:09am
- Master Mariner
  
  Out of interest regarding a previous post by our host about cooling, The Hpa reading was 200-300 which is roughly 30000 ft / 10km high.
  This was the Graph on a previous post which i missed.
  The average sea surface pressure is 1012.5/1013 Hpa Globally which too my knowledge has not changed ?
  Again I will stress the Soft Science paid and promoting the Climate Agenda and Hard Science which states otherwise.
  This is a Guy I follow if interested.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2hVW0R67CY
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:59am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Very good blog that. Climate cultists should head there for an education.
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Without the Industrial Revolution we would be freezing.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:10am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    … and dead.
    
    Fun fact. In the 8 years between 2013 and 2020, China produced more emissions than did the UK in the preceeding 220 years since the start of the industrial revolution. 😂
    
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2022/11/07/china-pumps-pollution-eight-years-uk-since-industrial-revolution/
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:29am
    - MCōs
      
      The average population of the UK between those dates would generously be 36mil times 220 is 16bil
      The population of China has been around 1.4bil for years times 8 is 11.2bill so that is staggering
      
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      June 27, 2024 9:46am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Dragging people out of poverty requires energy, lots of energy.
      
      China is rapidly expanding its wind and solar energy production.
      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/wind-generation
      
      However it needs masses of sustainable energy. Hence the rapidity of Coal energy implementation. Nuclear construction is also well under way but needs more time & money.
      
      China has predicted their pollution/co2 production will peak around 2030.
      
      So their choice was dragging their population out of poverty verses keeping the climate hystericals happy.
      
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      June 27, 2024 11:09am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, we should remember that every time James Shaw flew first class to some climate change conference he was really lifting everyone out of poverty…
        
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        June 27, 2024 11:29am
    - kowtow
      
      Bojo the Clown apologised for England’s role in that .
      
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      June 27, 2024 12:48pm
Im Right

The word ‘rational’ involving any Green MP should never be in the same sentence Chuck, same goes for maori party.
Batshit crazy ideas they come up with, that’s for all green parties in the west, total annihilation of that countries finances if adopted, and that’s why they are batshit crazy….they don’t fucking care the chaos it would cause, they just don’t care!!
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June 27, 2024 8:13am
Gravelroad

Have read Smart-Alec Swarbrick’s opinion piece twice.
Apart from cancelling evil agriculture and donating huge amounts of money via the Paris Agreement, I can’t see what are her solutions for combating the “climate emergency” here.
But that’s the Green Party – they know everything and know nothing.
But will get a few more votes out of this from the gullible and that’s the main thing eh.
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June 27, 2024 8:17am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Yup. For a piece that’s supposed to be calling for a more rational approach, it’s astonishingly light on clarity and concrete proposals.
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:25am
MCōs

Winston Churchill had mental health issues. JFK, Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln all sorts of people
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June 27, 2024 8:21am
- alloytoo
  
  Churchill took up painting.
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:36am
- Surely Knott
  
  I received death threats, insults from broadcast media, annd the prime minister and personal attacks. I was shut out of society. Tv Media suggested I shouldn’t be able to use the hospital if I was sick. Reddit had a pinned post at the top of the page calling my type selfish c*nts who were causing them to be locked down by a government using illegal collective punishment techniques. There were documentaries made to defame people like me I couldn’t get a haircut or basic grooming services The government threatened my job and ability to work.
  
  The media and government however don’t care about the mental health impacts of their threats and defamation of ordinary people. And I doubt I would get sympathy in a court for any criminal offending because of it. But as soon as one of their leftist female elites is insulted we are supposed to believe this can cause theft of beautiful expensive clothes. G.t.F.O.
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:44am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Well MCos, I’m going to discount your whole statement as made up drivel since you have claimed Churchill had mental health issues. He did not. Well, other than having to deal with socialist imbeciles.
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:47am
- Matt Long
  
  Churchill also kicked off the great depression by crushing money supply after WW1, caused the death of millions in India, planned the devastating loss in the Dardanelles that we remember every year to this day.
  Sometimes putting mentally ill people into positions of influence isn’t the greatest idea, especially if these same people are taking mind altering drugs like the NAZIs did.
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:50am
Rusty

Big day tomorrow no crime, bad weather, or negative thoughts should occur on Matariki Day.
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June 27, 2024 8:22am
- sirknz
  
  Also, no commercialising the sacred day that nobody knew about 15 years ago.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:55am
  - Conservatarian
    
    The Ardernistan Regime rammed through legislation in 2021 to make it a public holiday (starting 2022). This was superb retail politics because 90% of people, at least, love an extra day off. The only price one has to pay is to accept Maori pagan / spiritual supremacy over an officially secular nation. Matariki has quickly become the religious festival of choice among NZ’s cultural producers, especially government departments and schools. My kids’ school “discovered” this festival in 2022 only.
    
    But other reasons for Ardern to do it included kicking business owners in the guts (again) and to further entrench people the norm of doing nothing. The latter was rife in 2021, as we were balls deep in Covid fascism (lockdowns financed by money printing and the jabbing tyranny).
    
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    June 27, 2024 3:04pm
- Colville
  
  I am flying up for a gig in Auckland….gonna be epic!
  
  I suspect waking up Saturday will be somewhat painful tho 🙂
  
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  June 27, 2024 10:26am
herb1

“ climate crisis requires rational ….. action” says Chloe.
So you’re saying the Greens won’t be involved then ?
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June 27, 2024 8:22am
- alloytoo
  
  Rational and Greens ……
  
  “That is not logical Captain”
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:38am
cmm

We are assured that GG is not getting off lightly.

FFS: the charges she was up against, and been found guilty of carry a multi-year prison term.

Anything short of prison time, which we are assured she is not getting, is getting off lightly.
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June 27, 2024 8:26am
- pdm
  
  As I said earlier in the week.
  
  Mental Health problems is an excuse.
  
  It is not the reason.
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:41am
- Ipanema69
  
  cmm I’m pretty sanguine about the ultimate outcome for GG.
  
  Irrespective of the outcome I am fairly certain that the behaviour will re-occur in the future. Probably not for 1-2 years but it will happen again. And eventually GG will get caught again.
  
  As mentioned previously by others shoplifters are only caught on a small percentage of the time. Thus this behaviour will have been occurring for a long time and will be well embedded. The urge might be suppressed for a while given this series of events but eventually it will return.
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:44am
  - cmm
    
    Yes the sentence matters because it is a deterrent to others.
    
    Shoplifting is rife in NZ. Letting her off normalises it.
    
    How do you convince an entitled shoplifter stealing trolleys of groceries from Countdown that they are wrong? They will just squeal that they are being racially profiled etc. and abuse the cops for having different standards.
    
    I don’t condone white-collar crimes, but when someone is let off lightly for fraud etc, that’s a bit different because we don’t have the same effect as this.
    
    Few people commit, or have opportunity to commit, fraud. But every day millions of people in NZ have opportunity to go shoplifting and many do. Therefore we need to look at this differently and be extremely careful about the messages we’re sending.
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:55am
    - Ipanema69
      
      Yes all true. There is possibly a case for mandatory minimum sentences to take away some discretion from the judiciary.
      
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      June 27, 2024 10:17am
  - Paulus
    
    Are we sure that GG has not been caught shoplifting any number of times before ?
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:09am
    - cmm
      
      On average, only something like 5 to 10% of shoplifting gets intercepted. So basically about 1 in 15.
      
      Based on that, we can assume that GG had 60 offences. Either that or she’s the worst shoplifter ever.
      
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      June 27, 2024 2:25pm
- Ghost
  
  she was never going to get jail. Roger McClay stole more when he committed fraud, he got 300 hours community service
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:46am
  - cmm
    
    “she was never going to get jail”
    
    Yup, 100% correct, so she was always going to get off extremely lightly. The only question is how lightly.
    
    Consider that she has been found guilty of multiple crimes, more than one carrying a maximum term of 7 years, and others 1 year, even getting a year in prison would have been getting off lightly.
    
    That she’s getting no prison at all is extremely lightly.
    
    GG is an MP, an example should be made.
    And, IMHO, Roger McClay should have done time too.
    
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    June 27, 2024 8:58am
- David Garrett
  
  cmm: Both the Crown and defence have agreed that a conviction and discharge – with no further penalty – is the appropriate outcome. It would be incredible – and virtually unprecedented – if the judge gave her a sentence of anything over and above the conviction itself.
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:55am
  - cmm
    
    What’s the message being sent to all the people pushing “free” trolleys of groceries out of Countdown?
    
    The system is broken. Society depends on law and order. When that is gone we have a problem.
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:01am
    - Grunter
      
      Dead right cmm
      
      Who in their right mind would be a retailer?
      
      What is the point of laws if the law-breakers aren’t punished?
      
      And, to say “no further penalty” – what penalty has she coped? (and don’t say public ridicule, loss of job etc – they are consequences for doing stupid siht, they are not a penalty!)
      
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      June 27, 2024 9:11am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The people stealing trollies full of groceries are likely to have multiple prior convictions.
      
      I’m undecided on GG to be honest. I am sceptical about the trauma and the endless killing threats. However, at the same time, she has lost her career and her reputation is forever tarnished. That is a considerable penalty.
      
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      June 27, 2024 9:35am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        Nah, that’s not a penalty – it’s a self-inflicted consequence.
        
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        June 27, 2024 10:22am
    - PurplePen
      
      Send the perps to Australia. That’s what the british did 200 years ago. Time to re-establish the lucky country as a penal colony.
      
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      June 27, 2024 10:14am
  - rouppe
    
    You sure about that? I thought the Crown was happy with conviction and discharge, but the defence was all over the discharge without conviction because of mental health, nasty comments, really really sorry and all that.
    
    You’ll notice she turned up in court still making political statements with that watermelon brooch so all those “poor me” defences are bollocks.
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:01am
  - Sideoiler
    
    What will a conviction mean in terms of her ability to practice law?
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:46am
    - peterwn
      
      She can re-apply to practice law after 5 – 10 years on the sideline although she may have to go to the High Court which is an expensive exercise. A practicing certificate is only required to practice law as defined in the Lawyers and Conveyancers Act. She can still be a legal adviser, mediator, etc. even without a practicing certificate. About 50 years ago a Stipendiary Magistrate was jailed for 6 months (by the Chief Justice who told him he knew perfectly what sentence to expect) for misleading the forerunner of the Family Court over a custody matter. He became legal adviser to the (then) newly formed ACC and was able to rebuild his life with that. That was OK because he was not doing things that required a lawyers practicing certificate.
      A law academic speaking of a lawyer who had fallen from grace said “he is now making pots in the Wairarapa”.
      
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      June 27, 2024 3:14pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I wish the crown prosecuter was a bit more mongrel and really discredited the mental health claims more
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:57am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    If she gets a conviction can she still practice law?
    
    Also, I haven’t seen anywhere that she has actually paid fir the stolen goods?
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:54am
- RoboRob
  
  As much as we might want her to get prison time, that was never happening. Nobody gets jail time to shop lifting.
  
  The best we can hope for is disbarment. She has already lost her job which is more punishment then most shop lifters get.
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:57am
  - alwyn.a
    
    She isn’t registered at the moment. It would be a case of whether the Law Society would allow her to be registered.
    I can’t imagine they would have any problem.
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:33am
    - peterwn
      
      If a law graduate was denied admission (or had to use the expensive High Court route) for misusing a law faculty photocopier then GG should be sidelined for several years.
      
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      June 27, 2024 5:12pm
  - GT Build
    
    Robo
    Most shoplifters don’t have a job and they certainly don’t have a job that pays them a 6 figure salary
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:40am
    - RoboRob
      
      Thats what I mean. She just lost a 6 figure salary job and possibly the option to return to a career in law. She has already paid a far bigger penalty then most shop lifters.
      
      Don’t get me wrong, I strongly dislike the Greens and would love the book to be thrown at her BUT she has alreay paid a bigger price then most.
      
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      June 27, 2024 11:20am
- PurplePen
  
  I’m sure that every person that’s committed a crime if given the opportunity to discuss with a psychologist, the psychologist will be able to provide a mental health related reason for their misdemeanor. And this I think is the case with Golly. Has the fortunate means and opportunity that many don’t to see a psych and ask why did I do this. And the psych found a reason as they would have for any crim. But it doesn’t mean the mental health reason should be taken into account.
  
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  June 27, 2024 10:10am
- backster
  
  No more lightly than Kiri Whatshername.
  
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  June 27, 2024 11:04am
- Damocles11
  
  ‘Breaking: Judge declines Golriz Ghahraman ‘s application for a discharge without conviction.’
  
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  June 27, 2024 1:40pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  I see she turned up to court wearing a Keffiyeh. They simply can’t turn down an opportunity to pretes, can they!
  
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  June 27, 2024 2:51pm
Tomtoddy

Mental health issues can be real, extremely difficult to treat and very frustrating for those trying to help. It manifests itself in a myriad of ways, is triggered by a wide variety issues.

It is also used by those wishing to escape some community responsibility. Unlike the flu or a broken leg it is mostly unnoticeable. The other point to make is that there always seems to be an expert who can find among the complex symptoms an excuse or reason for a particular behaviour, even quite bizarre explanations.

I can be quickly judged as not being an expert on mental health but I am struggling to follow what the professionals and what Ghahraman herself is saying about her situation. It lacks credibility, even reality.

Death threats and nasty criticism are unsettling and hard to take. When in public office I copped a heap including death wishes and very pointed threats. I received useful advice from the police and colleagues. But it did not ever become an issue of mental health. Is it different for a woman? Did she not seek help? Or is it an excuse?
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June 27, 2024 8:28am
- Cassandra
  
  Death threats make you steal expensive clothing? Who’d have thought? I imagine there’s some authoritative research to support this.
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:35am
- cmm
  
  Of course it is an excuse.
  If it really was getting to be too much she could have bailed out and taken up a career in law.
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:43am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Committing crime in NZ has become a viable and profitable hobby.
    
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    June 27, 2024 8:48am
  - mandk
    
    Agreed.
    
    She cannot be excused for what she did.
    
    She is an intelligent woman. She is trained in the law. And she should be beyond reproach as an elected representative.
    
    But it is obvious from the CC TV evidence that what she was calculated.
    
    And she offended at least four times.
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:03am
- Grunter
  
  I’ve interpreted that what she really means is,
  
  “I’m a member of the Green Party – so obviously I’m mental”
  
  I think we’d all agree to that. In the old days, she would go straight to ‘the looney bin’. Nowadays she’ll be sent straight back to the Green Party!
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:59am
- MCōs
  
  When I was young a lot of the kids I knew had fathers who were returned service men. The war effected them in different ways. My father was a POW for a number of years, which he seemed to cope with in later life, but some of his mates not so well. Alcoholism, domestic violence. Kids used to tell us at school about the hidings they got.
  Similar experiences affect different people in different ways.
  One guy I knew whose father was an alcoholic ex-RAF fighter pilot that just disappeared one day. Family never saw him again.
  On the other hand the father of another of my friends told us about his horrendous time as a POW after being captured by the Japanese at Singapore. He went on to a good career as a structural engineer
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:26am
  - Ipanema69
    
    Yes and a lot of the returning veterans suffered from survivors guilt. I can recommend the book “fighter boys” by Patrick Bishop 2004 in this respect. It presents a very honest view of what the pilots in the Battle of Britain went through. This is possibly due to the source material in the main being collected towards the ends of the survivors lives. This also corresponding to an era when it became more acceptable to talk about trauma.
    
    God rest their brave souls.
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:00am
- PurplePen
  
  What I don’t understand is why would you ever read nasty emails, messages and posts. Its not compulsory to read everything that is posted about you or sent to you. Particularly politicians that have staff. MPs never read all their emails etc, they have staff that do that. It would be an impossible task otherwise.
  
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  June 27, 2024 10:19am
- imalwaysright
  
  Good post T
  As was discussed yesterday, where is the evidence of death threats? Where are the arrests and convictions?
  Same with Robertson bleating before the last election that they had all sorts of threats and might not be able to hold public meetings.
  
  These bastards should be forced to reveal the threats to the Speaker, police and a bipartisan select committee, a threat against an MP is a threat against Parliament.
  If these are false complaints then the complainant should be prosecuted.
  
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  June 27, 2024 10:52am
Right of way is Way of Right

105 days have passed since Darleen Tana was suspended from parliament.

On full pay.

Which on her annual salary of $163,961 equates to $449.20 per day, so a total of $47,166 that has been effectively pissed up the wall by a Greens Leadership Team.

Add to that the cost of taxpayer funding of the inquiry team (a cost that is now being borne by the Green Party), and you get an idea of how useless this crowd are.

Chloe would have you believe they are a credible option to govern.

Nothing could be further from the truth. They are either manifestly corrupt, or blatantly incompetent.

Neither gives them any governance credibility.
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June 27, 2024 8:32am
- sirknz
  
  “They are either manifestly corrupt, or blatantly incompetent.”
  
  ¿Por qué no los dos?
  
  Old El Paso is great for a quick meal too…
  
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  June 27, 2024 10:01am
- PurplePen
  
  Further evidence for why they must never have access to the govt chequebook. And Chloe went and asked the speaker for more. Gives you an insight into how she has no sense of the value of other people’s money etc.
  
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  June 27, 2024 10:22am
hookerphil

“Or is it an excuse?”
I presume that was an rhetorical question?
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June 27, 2024 8:33am
Taieri

“This past week, Secretary-General of the United Nations, Antonio Guterres, reminded us that 1.5 degrees Celsius isn’t an abstract target. It’s the scientific parameter for life on Earth as we know it.”
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No, it’s not a “scientific parameter”. It’s a completely arbitrary number. Just like a rabbit pulled by magician out of a hat.
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June 27, 2024 8:35am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTIONS

Has Darleen ever taken lessons in Mexican-Hat-Dancing?

Should anyone in the party be unduly concerned?

Asking for a friend….
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June 27, 2024 8:39am
- mandk
  
  The worrying thing about the Greens is that their vote seems to be fireproof.
  
  It looks like around 25% of women aged under 50 will vote for them regardless.
  
  More mystifying is that the Greens appear to get a lot of support in wealthy Wellington suburbs, like Seatoun, Khandallah and Eastbourne. Don’t those people know that the Greens loathe them?
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:08am
  - PurplePen
    
    An acquaintance who is in that mid-twenties age when asked about Jacinda said she liked her and thought she was a great PM. When asked why all she could offer was that I like her, she’s so nice. Says it all sadly.
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:24am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    People in places like that don’t feel the consequences of Green policies because their wealth insulates them.
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:58am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Ha! The wealthy of Wadestown are not at all happy about cycleways and parking restrictions hitting their leafy neighbourhood, and have not been shy about letting the Council know.
      
      http://www.transportprojects.org.nz/current/wadestown-connections/
      
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      June 27, 2024 7:00pm
cmm

GG’s case underlines why our court system is a mess and we have a multi-year backlog of cases.

GG’s case is pretty much open and shut. Yet it took multiple days of hearings to find her guilty, then multiple more days of hearings to determine a sentence.

The whole thing could have been handled in an afternoon. Since the court seems to need some extra pomp and ceremony, let’s say a day. Anything more is waste. Over a week is really taking the piss.
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June 27, 2024 8:40am
- Burtland
  
  it takes time to build a plausible narrative
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:46am
- 7kiwi11
  
  Judge Judy would have handled it in 15 minutes
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:54am
  - cmm
    
    15 minutes, including an ad break.
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:34am
- RoboRob
  
  Couldn’t agree more. Three court appearences is two more then required. The idea of the Judges needing penalty arguements on Monday and two days to think on it, for this sort of case, is laughable. This is a standard shop lifting case not a complex law case.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:01am
kevn

Soper onto it…
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/06/barry-soper-are-we-seeing-first-cracks.html#more
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June 27, 2024 8:45am
- David Garrett
  
  kevn: There are still many here who think Soper is a biased leftie. Reading this article makes it quite clear that he is not.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:00am
  - RoboRob
    
    I certainly used to think he was. Probably a sign of a quality reporter when both sides think you are biased. Probably means he calls it mostly fairly.
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:03am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He follows Peter’s, so he was a leftie after 17
      
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      June 27, 2024 1:41pm
  - cmm
    
    DG: To the meat of the article – I am genuinely interested to hear what you think of the idea of holding a Royal Commission or not.
    
    Would a Royal Commission actually achieve much?
    
    My personal hunch is that Winston is right and it would be a whitewash – not much more than an opportunity for the local kapa haka group to show off their poi waving skills at the opening ceremony
    
    Foxes and hen houses spring to mind.
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:07am
    - Matt Long
      
      If you follow Thomas Cranmer on X, you’ll see the enquiry chair was giving advice to Blomfield during the pandemic, more than a whitewash, it was designed to be a ringing endorsement of Labour, and the shivers looking for a spine to run down.
      
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      June 27, 2024 9:34am
    - Master Mariner
      
      I sincerely hope not, I for one submitted my submission along with numerous overseas Seafarers made stateless and never even got a recognition about our circumstances.
      I sincerely hope this will change as the current terms where a whitewash.
      
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      June 27, 2024 9:38am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Royal Commissions can achieve a great deal. It depends entirely on the commissioners and the terms of reference.
      
      Disclosure.. I have been an advisor to a Royal Commission in New Zealand.
      
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      June 27, 2024 9:45am
      - cmm
        
        “Royal Commissions can achieve a great deal”
        
        Of course they can acheive a great deal, but they can also be subverted into a useless whitewashing exercise.
        
        I suspect the chances of a useful outcome in this case is extremely low.
        
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        June 27, 2024 10:09am
      - MCōs
        
        It also seems to depend on whether or not it’s recommendations/findings are palatable to the government it happens to report back to.
        
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        June 27, 2024 10:14am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Well if not a Royal Commission, then what?
        
        Australia has a long history of Royal Commissions that have uncovered serious wrongdoing.
        
        https://www.royalcommission.gov.au/trade-union
        
        IMO a Royal Commission is the right mechanism to expose the horrible flaws in the pandemic response. Again if you don’t like that idea, what is a better alternative?
        
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        June 27, 2024 11:07am
      - cmm
        
        I don’t really think there is a will to learn from what happened.
        
        Without the will to learn and be honest the mechanism they use does not matter – the output will be a whitewash.
        
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        June 27, 2024 11:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He’s a Peters fan end of, he was a leftie when Peter’s went left in 17
    
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    June 27, 2024 1:40pm
- Grunter
  
  In the meantime, whilst we debate a Covid inquiry 2.0…..
  
  NZ Excess Deaths continue into 2024
  
  https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=~NZL
  
  This is not driven by COVID deaths BTW…..there is something else driving about 2,000+ deaths pa in NZ.
  
  I wonder what is causing this on-going problem??
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:56am
  - Grunter
    
    In January 2023, cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough said: “The vaccine is killing people, and is killing large numbers of people.”
    
    Thirty-three percent (33%) of American Adults agree with that statement, including 16% who Strongly Agree. Fifty-seven percent (57%) disagree, including 39% who Strongly Disagree. Another 11% are not sure.
    
    https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/33_agree_covid_19_vaccine_is_killing_large_numbers_of_people
    
    Good luck getting 90% of the sheeple to take a jab for the next “pandemic”
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:38am
    - mawm
      
      The next jab is AUDENZ™ (Influenza A – H5N1). It is about to be rolled out to animal workers in Finland.
      From the manufacturers trials – 0.5% AUDENZ recipients died while only 0.1% placebo (saline) recipients died. That’s approximately 1/200 for vaccine.
      
      https://www.fda.gov/media/135020/download
      
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      June 27, 2024 6:00pm
Chris2

If Golriz is playing the mental illness card then it also means anything and everything she has done or said as an MP needs to be revisited, and assessed in the light of a mentally ill person’s decisions whilst a member of Parliament.

It also requires an explanation from the Greens (especially all her Green MP colleagues) on why not one of them identified her suppossed mental illness, and if they did, why did they not do something about it?

Her lawyer ought to be referred to the Law Society for knowingly lying to the Court that Golriz was receiving the same level of security protection as Ardern.
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June 27, 2024 8:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  She has never been a Minister. What decision did she ever take that affected anyone?
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:46am
  - Taieri
    
    What decision did she ever take that affected anyone?
    ————-
    
    Voting on a legislation passed in the Parliament.
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:53am
  - Chris2
    
    Benedict, she was not a Minister, but she sat on various Select Committes and Select Committes do have considerable influence on how legislation is shaped and written.
    
    She was not an impotent Opposition MP in the last Government; the Greens were part of that Government and whilst she was not a Minister, she was high up in the Green pecking order. She had more influence in Government than (say) any National or ACT MP during the 2017-23 period.
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:07am
  - rouppe
    
    Select Committee is fairly powerful decision making forum. She’s one of many, to be sure, but nonetheless…
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:36am
- pdm
  
  chris2 – if her mental illness goes back as far as you suggest she should not have been in Parliament.
  
  She has not had `Power to Contract’ for a very long time.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:49am
- rouppe
  
  Looking at Tory Whanau, mental illness – ADHD in her case – seems to be something the Greens celebrate in a leadership position
  
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  June 27, 2024 11:39am
- Mr Nobody NZ
  
  Excellent to see the Judge has declined Golriz’s request for a discharge without conviction.
  
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  June 27, 2024 1:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Melania won’t be heading back to the White House if Trump wins report suggests.
The left continue the hate of Trump and continue with TDS.
This “Zeleb.es” of the Daily Digest has a daily attack on Trump. This one today is a low blow. Is that all they have left?
There are times when Melania chooses not to be with Donald. She spends a lot of time with Barron. Sort of helicopter parent I guess.
The whole Trump family is a close family, but the left try and tear them apart. Just lowlife scum.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/melania-won-t-be-heading-back-to-the-white-house-if-trump-wins-report-suggests/ss-BB1oVhWg?
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June 27, 2024 8:50am
- virtualmark
  
  Steve, have you considered the possibility that Melania hates Trump more than the left do?
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Are you Zeleb from the Daily Digest?
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:31am
    - virtualmark
      
      Nope, just someone who’s noticed that Melania is nowadays seldom, if ever, seen with Trump and when she is with him (say, Barron’s graduation) she has an unmistakable look of disgust and contempt on her face.
      
      Steve … the guy’s an asshole. He has an iron grip on MAGA, but outside it he’s as popular as herpes. The only people that like him are his goofus kids, oligarchs, fascists and the idiocracy.
      
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      June 27, 2024 12:05pm
Bridgenag

Government Advisers Too Accepted Payments From Covid Vaccine And Treatment Manufacturers
It wasn’t just the celebrity doctors…

“The pattern of financial incentives from major pharmaceutical companies reaching influential public health figures indicates a deep-seated influence on UK policy and regulatory decisions. Such arrangements compromise the expected objectivity of public health recommendations, raising concerns about the extent of corporate sway over officials and, by extension, the policies we endure.”

https://news.starknakedbrief.co.uk/p/government-advisers-too-accepted?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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June 27, 2024 8:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Debate is tomorrow 9pm ET. That is 1pm NZ time.
Joe has already won and Trumps microphone has a bluetooth off control.
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June 27, 2024 8:55am
- RoboRob
  
  I know your joking BUT I do think Joe has already won.
  
  The right has talked Job Bidens mental health down so much that any reasonable display will be a big win for Biden. The debate format (no audience) works against Trumps strengths and the questions asked by (we hate Dem supporting hosts) will likely avoid topics disadvantageous to Biden. It is hard to see an outcome where Trump clearly wins.
  
  The best hope for Trump might be that they are 100% right about Joes health and he does fall apart. I have heard it suggested Trumps strategy should be to say as little as possible and force Joe to do all the talking.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:10am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Do you really believe that Trump will adopt or adhere to a strategy that requires him to say as little as possible?
    
    Are you drunk?
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:39am
    - RoboRob
      
      Wish I was drunk but no I dont think Trump could follow that sort of strategy. Doesn’t change the fact it might actually be a good strategy if he could follow it.
      
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      June 27, 2024 11:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Remember Biden has been safely tucked away from the media at Camp David.
      My guess is they have been experimenting with medication doses and drug masking.
      
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      June 27, 2024 11:38am
      - RoboRob
        
        They wont need drug masking. There is no way in hell either candidate is taking a drug test, no matter what Trump says 🙂
        
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        June 27, 2024 2:13pm
  - RightNow
    
    It’s 50/50 whether Joe craps himself on stage!
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:58am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Given that Trump wears a diaper, my money is on Trump crapping himself before Joe does!
      
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      June 27, 2024 3:06pm
  - Paulus
    
    Of course Biden has the questions already and his staff are answering them so he can pass them off as his own.
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:16am
    - RoboRob
      
      Just like last time. I think CNN got caught out provding to Hillary at one stage.
      
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      June 27, 2024 11:23am
- sirknz
  
  Perfect. Get the lawns done then watch them play ‘whack a mole’ with various YouTube channels commenting and fact checking in real time.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:18am
  - RoboRob
    
    Apparently CNN is blocking live streaming of the debate on YouTube. CNN are allowing the networks (like Fox) to live stream but not YouTube. It will be interesting to see what YouTube does if people do stream.
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:25am
    - fredonas
      
      Go to Steven Crowder’s channel on Rumble. He will be live streaming a commentary with comedian Nick DiPaolo. It is usually hilarious and worth a watch.
      
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      June 27, 2024 2:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And you just can’t wait for One Network News at 6pm Friday evening.
    Be there or be square 🙂
    
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    June 27, 2024 6:57pm
- imalwaysright
  
  It’s hard to believe they are sending Sleepy into this bear pit.
  Cancelled due to ill health or death seems more likely.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe the Dems are doing this so when Biden loses the Democrats can play the blame game – all to divert from their corruption?
    
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    June 27, 2024 6:59pm
- fredonas
  
  Ann Coulter has written an interesting article on how the 2024 US Election will likely play out: If Trump panders to minorities like he did in 2020, he loses. If he re-connects with white voters, he wins.
  “Trump had spent his precious four years in office praising illegals (“incredible kids”), threatening to take guns away from people without due process, boasting about his “Platinum Plan” (for black people) and his “American Dream Plan” (for Hispanics — press 2 now to hear the plan in Espanol), releasing criminals from prison (where Kushner’s policy mastery met Kim Kardashian’s grasp of criminal justice on the Venn diagram) and bragging in his first debate with Biden, “I’m letting people out of jail now!” ”
  https://anncoulter.substack.com/p/how-trump-will-lose-the-debate
  
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  June 27, 2024 1:36pm
Quail

Where have the other comments gone ? 17 advertised vs 13 !
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June 27, 2024 9:02am
Chuck Bird

This is not premium. This fool talks about being rational.

Climate crisis requires rational, immediate and bold action – Chlöe Swarbrick

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/climate-crisis-requires-rational-immediate-and-bold-action-chloe-swarbrick/ZP7Z3QKWTBGINMLVTPKNYDC6LM/
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June 27, 2024 9:10am
- RoboRob
  
  I have noted that Chloe uses this sort of wording to strengthen her arguements. She regularly talks about an evidence based approach and then follows that with Green ideology.
  
  Much like the ridiculous ‘modern learning environment’ (barns with 100+ kids and 3 teachers), it is very hard to argue against something ‘modern’ or ‘evidence based’.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:19am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Are we allowed to see this evidence?
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:27am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      No comrade, you must trust the science!
      
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      June 27, 2024 10:53am
  - PurplePen
    
    And yet they got that all wrong and teachers themselves said in the end it was chaotic. Much like the initial reaction to banning cellphones, and then also vaping. It seems commonsense is thrown out the window whenever you get academics involved in researching the best approach to anything.
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:35am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    See its got big, important sounding words in it, so you must accept what I say.
    
    Right up there with “scientific socialism”
    or “Democratic People’s republic”
    Or “Single source of truth….”
    
    Obey the science or be forever cast out! Heretic!
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:52am
- Taieri
  
  “This past week, Secretary-General of the United Nations, Antonio Guterres, reminded us that 1.5 degrees Celsius isn’t an abstract target. It’s the scientific parameter for life on Earth as we know it”.
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  It’s not a “scientific parameter”. It’s a completely arbitrary number.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:55am
  - Grunter
    
    Secretary-General of the United Nations, Antonio Guterres – The King of Clown-World
    
    Does he not think that he is just making it even clearer that his “Global Boiling” is a scam?
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:27am
  - Damocles11
    
    We are “boiling” but it’s ok for China to burn 4 Billion tonnes of coal again this year (they did it last year) and keep increasing their emissions until 2030. So are we “boiling” or aren’t we? Make it make sense!!!! Or is it only small Western democracies like New Zealand that contribute to “boiling”? Guterres is a Portuguese socialist (marxist), and Chloe is a New Zealand socialist (marxist), and both of them seem hell bent on haranguing Western nations, Western companies, the Western populace. They can both go to the seventh circle, as can the marxist Herald for giving idiots a platform to rage at the rest of us.
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:40am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      And the Herald will not allow a contrary view even for a climate scientist.
      
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      June 28, 2024 6:58am
- kowtow
  
  Rational and Swarbrick do not belong together in the same sentence.
  
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  June 27, 2024 12:58pm
  - sirknz
    
    Rational does belong in the same sentence as Swarbrick as long as it has the prefix ‘ir’.
    
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    June 27, 2024 3:43pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Believing there is a “climate crisis” is irrational. Bold action to address something that doesn’t exist is bonkers. Rushing in to kill your economy over something that doesn’t exist is extremely dangerous.
  
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  June 27, 2024 10:15pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING on ‘X’

With all that we read here it’s hard to believe Cindy is still sooo popular 😀

UK Media Company posts images of Dame Jacinda …. attracts over 3 MILLION VIEWS
in less than 24 hours!

https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1805912756266082702
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June 27, 2024 9:12am
- RoboRob
  
  I know people say she is popular overseas, I just don’t understand how or why. She wasn’t the first female PM and NZ isn’t a major world player. Why would someone in Europe or the US give a flying fuck what JA thinks or does?
  
  I know she did well with the CHCH mosque attacks, talking about milking a political golden goose, but supposedly she was popular before then. Her policy of having a world police on what can and cant be posted on social media is just sooo authoritarian I would have thought there would have been more backlash against her then for her. Perhaps I rate peoples intelligence to highly.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:26am
  - sirknz
    
    “Why would someone in Europe or the US give a flying fuck what JA thinks or does?”
    
    Because she is strong independent women fighting the patriarchy and also happens to be on the left. It’s the same reason all these smooth brains adore the likes of AOC.
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:11am
  - cmm
    
    “. Why would someone in Europe or the US give a flying fuck what JA thinks or does?”
    
    Because there’s a massive media machine pushing her forward and hyping her up.
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:13am
    - MCōs
      
      No there isn’t otherwise we’d have heard it over here too and there’s virtually nothing in our papers about her
      Brian Tamaki gets more publicity over here
      Golriz Ghahraman gets more publicity here over a minor court conviction.
      
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      June 27, 2024 10:24am
      - Sacha
        
        If she was given the media roasting she deserves here, it would be reported on in overseas mass media.
        She bought NZ media silence – when that time expires, she might be exposed.
        
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        June 27, 2024 10:34am
      - Manu-Rau
        
        [Sorry – reported by mistake. Mods: please ignore.]
        
        Its not really fair to compare JA and GG. Other than being narcissistic, troughing, idealogically-driven, air-headed BS artists who like designer clothes, they have nothing in common at all.
        
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        June 27, 2024 10:52am
      - cmm
        
        There is a massive machine pushing her forward overseas.
        
        I frequently get sent BBC links about her from a British colleague who thinks she’s awesome and he wishes they could have Cindy running UK.
        
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        June 27, 2024 11:41am
      - MCōs
        
        BBC is available for all to see in NZ
        It doesn’t need your mate to send links
        
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        June 27, 2024 12:21pm
      - kowtow
        
        sacha
        
        ‘She bought NZ media silence – when that time expires, she might be exposed.’
        
        I suspect theywere in her camp already and anyway she used our money to simply bolster her popularity and programmes as she was a conniving cash confettiist.
        
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        June 27, 2024 1:09pm
      - cmm
        
        MCos: “BBC is available for all to see in NZ”
        
        Of course I know that, but it doesn’t stop the dithering old fool from sending them.
        
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        June 27, 2024 2:29pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Why would someone in Europe or the US give a flying fuck what JA thinks or does?’
    
    Cos there’s an awful lot of very thick people out there.
    
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    June 27, 2024 1:05pm
- PurplePen
  
  I’m NOT looking! Having to much fun this morning to have it all destroyed.
  
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  June 27, 2024 10:36am
- imalwaysright
  
  To be fair, they are images of her physical deterioration.
  There will be plenty of people viewing with an element of schadenfreude in mind.
  I went back for another one myself !
  
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  June 27, 2024 11:14am
- NZer In Exile
  
  That X channel has some great posts!
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The farcial Greens are playing the system…..(and succeeding)

Journalist Glenn McConnell has calculated Tana’s “purgatory pay” as $6306 per fortnight, meaning that by the end of this week, she would’ve been paid about $47,000 for being on leave. However, given the Remuneration Authority’s subsequent decision to give a backdated pay increase to MPs, the figure could be larger.

https://democracyproject.substack.com/p/the-greens-need-to-front-up-on-the
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June 27, 2024 9:14am
- virtualmark
  
  Consequences often come slowly (most likely in late 2026) but they will come.
  
  Many of the suburban soccer moms who want to vote Green will be struggling with a party that has run its sensible face out of town, sacked another who shoplifted from aspirational boutiques, gone squishy on another who took advantage of immigrants, and then took a veer to the left.
  
  There must be an opportunity for a blue-green option to carve off some of that Green vote. But ACT are too far to the right to capture it, and the Nats are more focussed on winning the votes from property developers.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:27am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “There must be an opportunity for a blue-green option to carve off some of that Green vote.”
    
    That is why I left Labour Lite. If the Greens really believed there was a climate emergency they would support nuclear as the Opposition parties are doing in Oz.
    
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    June 27, 2024 9:57am
    - greybeard
      
      Last year I posted this on KB:
      “I would like to see the following: a new Political Party on the Centre-Right dedicated to promoting the interests, aspirations and activities of the New Zealand Rural sector.
      The people generally known by the rest of us as “farmers”, in all of their various permutations.
      Add to these “farmers” the hundreds of thousands of other rural workers, horticulturalists, vintners, market gardeners, orchardists, transport operators, rural delivery contractors, many and varied rural and farm contractors, shearers, vets, stock & station companies & agents, motor vehicle dealers, fuel suppliers, fertiliser suppliers, fencing suppliers etc etc.
      And all of their families.
      Get all of those people together and there could be a new political party before 2026:
      “The Country Party” – I like the sound of that.”
      
      This would fit the description of “Blue-Green” I think.
      
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      June 27, 2024 11:09am
      - sirknz
        
        “The Country Party” – I like the sound of that.”
        
        Can you guess how they would likely be referred to by the average lefty?
        
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        June 27, 2024 3:48pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Nuclear is kind of low carbon (hell of a lot of concrete in the construction). And it’s attractive as a baseload generation option.
      
      But nowadays it’s tragically uneconomic. Multi-billion capex. >10 year construction timeframe. That kills the economics straightaway.
      
      Hydro has the same problems/challenges, albeit not quite so bad.
      
      Reality is that none of the current or proposed nuclear options would be anywhere near the top of the development hierarchy. The two pragmatic economic generation options now are wind and solar+battery. And here in NZ we can add geothermal to that list.
      
      I don’t know of any seriously proposed generation project here in NZ that is not one of those three options.
      
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      June 27, 2024 11:29am
      - Taieri
        
        Nuclear is kind of low carbon (hell of a lot of concrete in the construction)
        ———
        
        Nuclear power station requires much less concrete and other materials than the equivalent power solar farm or wind farm.
        
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        June 27, 2024 1:00pm
      - virtualmark
        
        You sure about that? Reactor containment vessels are absolutely massive.
        
        Irregardless, no commercial gentailer is going to build a nuclear power plant. The economics are horrible. Today’s economics are that solar + battery are the cheapest per MWhr produced, and that option continues to get more efficient and cheaper every year. In NZ we do have a lot of cheap wind resource, but even those developments are slowing up because the $ aren’t as compelling as they use to be vs solar+battery.
        
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        June 27, 2024 1:51pm
      - Taieri
        
        You sure about that? Reactor containment vessels are absolutely massive.
        ——–
        
        The secret is in the power density.
        Some figures just for concrete requirements:
        
        760 ton per TWh of generation for the nuclear
        4050 ton per TWh of generation for the solar
        8000 ton per TWh of generation for the wind
        
        no commercial gentailer is going to build a nuclear power plant.
        ———–
        
        In Finland they do. And a few other countries. Where people can still think.
        
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        June 27, 2024 3:43pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Taieri,
        
        Those numbers look weird. Solar doesn’t require a meaningful amount of concrete … some concrete for piles, and some for plinths for the electrical equipment. Certainly nothing like what’s required for a reactor building.
        
        The Finland reference was interesting, so I went to learn more about that one. But I note the Wikipedia page says:
        
        “Teollisuuden Voima (TVO) ordered the 1600 MW nuclear reactor (Olkiluoto 3) in 2003. The suppliers were the French company Areva NP and Siemens, which owned 34% of Areva NP. The price was fixed at €3.2 billion and completion was scheduled for 2009.The construction of this plant is now substantially behind schedule and over cost. As of 2010, Areva expected to lose €2.3 billion on the project. As of August 2020, the expected start of commercial operation was in February 2022. In March 2022 electricity production started, with regular operation planned for July. In April, however, the commercial operation was reported to be postponed to September 2022. In June, the commercial operation was postponed to December 2022, and later until March 2023.
        
        According to World Nuclear Association 2008: ”Experience has shown that each year of additional delay in the construction of a nuclear power plants adds another estimated $1 billion to the cost”. ”
        
        This is what kills nuclear for private sector generators … it’s multi-billions of investment over 20-ish years before you see any revenue. It murders the economics. I like the idea of large base-load generation, but the cost per MWhr is no longer competitive.
        
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        June 27, 2024 4:09pm
      - Taieri
        
        Those numbers look weird.
        ———–
        
        Those numbers come from “Quadrennial Technology Review : An Assessment of Energy Technologies and Research Opportunities”, by US Department of Energy, September 2015.
        
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        June 27, 2024 5:28pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Why would we not simply have a small reactor housed on a ship? Park it up in the Waitemata, hook it up to the national grid & Bob’s your uncle. When the fuel is spent, sail it away to wherever these things are constructed & deconstructed.
        
        And before anyone says – but small modular reactors are still x years away – consider that nuclear powered subs have been operating (mostly) safely for 50+ years.
        
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        June 27, 2024 7:13pm
- Swifty
  
  Bryce Edwards is writing better and better as the years go by, in my view.
  
  He really gets stuck into issues of late, not personalities.
  
  Good on him.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:32am
Maggy Wassilieff

Golriz Ghahraman seems to lack insight into her predicament.

There are numerous folk in NZ suffering from mental ill health who cannot access any professional health, but Golriz has her own professional, it seems.

Lucky woman ….. still controlling her own narrative.
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June 27, 2024 9:26am
- imalwaysright
  
  Could her health professional let us know what mental illness causes someone to, on multiple occasions, steal only expensive fashionable clothes that fit?
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:35am
  - mandk
    
    On the face of it, it’s odd that she didn’t do her thieving at The Warehouse, but she probably wouldn’t want to be seen dead in a down-market shop like that.
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:31am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Might be a good sentence idea there mandk…
      Get Golriz to model the Warehouses latest gear for a couple of years and give the fees to the retailers she stole from.
      
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      June 27, 2024 11:42am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Could it be possible she just has a personality defect she needs to work on? IE being devious?
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kansas Lawsuit Could Pave the Way for Class Action Against Pfizer.
“Under a previous consent judgment with Kansas, Pfizer had to pay $60 million in damages to the state in 2008 over injuries that two of its prescription drugs caused. The company was forced to agree to not mislead Kansans about any of its future products. It seems fairly clear that it misled the people again with the COVID shots.”

Pfizer too big to fail? We will see,

https://freedomeagledaily.com/theteapartydaily/kansas-lawsuit-could-pave-the-way-for-class-action-against-pfizer/?
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June 27, 2024 9:30am
- Grunter
  
  Pfizer’s share price down -50% over the past 18 mths. And down -2% on the news above…..
  
  Here’s hoping they crash & burn as they deserve!
  
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  June 27, 2024 11:00am
  - MCōs
    
    Let’s hope not
    They turn out some very good anti inflammatory medication
    
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    June 27, 2024 12:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Judge Judy is certainly no leftie.
“Judge Judy Sheindlin has decried Manhattan [District] Attorney Alvin Bragg‘s hush-money case against former President Donald Trump as “nonsense.”

The City spent $5M or $10M on the Trump case yet the streets of Manhattan are not safe.

https://pjnewsletter.com/judge-judy-trump-word/?
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June 27, 2024 9:39am
- virtualmark
  
  And yet Steve, in the real world:
  
  1. Crime in New York is falling (https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-crime-rates-stats-numbers-spring-2024 … surely an extra bonus for this being a Fox News article?)
  2. New York doesn’t even make the top 20 most violent cities in the US (https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america or you can get all interactive at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate)
  
  So maybe, just maybe, Judge Judy is talking fiction in the Fox Cinematic Universe?
  
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  June 27, 2024 11:36am
  - All_on_Red
    
    From your link
    ‘However, the city saw a 5.1% increase in rape and a 7.2% increase in robberies. And year-to-date, the city has seen an increase in felony assaults: 8.58K in 2024 compared to 8.33K in 2023.’
    
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    June 27, 2024 1:31pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Sure, New York isn’t perfect. But the stats don’t support the idea that it’s some apocalyptic hellhole (that would be St Louis by the sounds of things).
      
      Might I suggest that Judge Judy and Fox have political reasons for arguing that New York is crime riddled?
      
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      June 27, 2024 1:54pm
Matt Long

The think socialists like about rail is it gives them the power to shut everything down whenever they want.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350323194/person-killed-train-west-auckland-all-rail-services-cancelled
Much like the reason why the hate charter schools, it’s so much harder to control a population that has diffuse resources, transport and education opportunities.
https://x.com/dbseymour/status/1805781411556950362
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June 27, 2024 9:51am
Dave

Winston notes that a poll released on Monday shows 58% in support of Maori ward referendums but, curiously, not one mainstream media outlet has reported this outcome.

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/06/winston-peters-support-for-maori-ward.html
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June 27, 2024 9:55am
- Paulus
  
  The New Tauranga Mayors. and outgoing Commissioners, and new Councillors, along with the Council Staff have decided already to ignore the Maori Wards referendum, so Tauranga voters can sod off anyway as decision have been made.
  Won’t bother voting what is the point as Councillors are superfluous.
  The Council employees have decided.
  Like all New Zealand Councils.
  
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  June 27, 2024 11:23am
  - wsk12345
    
    I see Darren Gilchrist is standing. I know him and totally rate him. Was on yr ACT list until the media found some comment he made about vax injuries. Christian I believe, bell of a good guy.
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

McBlogg. Some male MPs need to man up.

What is a woman? What is a man?
Let’s do some cheating in sport.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j–cAVYh-1o
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June 27, 2024 9:57am
pdm

Could today be trifecta or hat trick day for the Greens?

Firstly Julie Anne Genter is said to be before the (powerful?) Privileges Committee this morning.

Secondly the Golriz sentencing has been deferred to this afternoon.

Thirdly the Darlene Tana report is miraculously released at 5.59 this evening.

All over and done with in one day.
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June 27, 2024 9:59am
- imalwaysright
  
  Pdm
  That would be perfectly in character for this rabble.
  
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  June 27, 2024 10:12am
- Local Miller
  
  You think it’s a coincidence this is all happening on the afternoon/evening Thursday before the Matariki long weekend? They are hoping everyone will have forgotten about it come Monday.
  
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  June 27, 2024 11:28am
imalwaysright

A recent political poll showed that Labour and the Greens would get about 42 % of votes.

Regardless that it doesn’t affect current governance, it is a big problem for New Zealand, and our future, that there are that many people who support marxism.

That, and the continual costs of the treaty, are why New Zealand is a long way away from being one of the happiest and wealthiest countries in the world.
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June 27, 2024 10:17am
- greybeard
  
  “it is a big problem for New Zealand, and our future, that there are that many people who support marxism.”
  
  Let’s be honest, most of their supporters don’t even know how to spell “marxism” let alone know what it means or how it manifests itself.
  They simply support the party which promises them the most taxpayer money handed to them for the least effort on their part.
  Historical and political knowledge doesn’t come into it.
  
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  June 27, 2024 12:11pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    I agree, there are a lot of working class who think the label Labour means that there is empathy on its way.
    But it doesn’t matter if they get their votes and support honestly or by deception, its all about influence. Its all about keeping a certain amount of poor people, existing in a certain amount of hope, as a base on which a wealthy woke hierarchy indulge themselves .
    That’s the “best” sort of marxism, the sort where the suckers don’t realise that they are being exploited by the marxists.
    
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    June 27, 2024 12:26pm
  - MCōs
    
    Let’s be honest calling the NZ Labour Party and the Greens for that matter Marxist would be offensive to dyed in the wool Marxists
    
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    June 27, 2024 12:34pm
  - cmm
    
    Modern Marxisms only practice half of Marxism:
    
    From each, according to his means.
    To each, according to his needs.
    
    All we see is the second part. Real Marxism does not support bludgers.
    
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    June 27, 2024 1:18pm
Paul Marsden

Some of us whom have had a little bit of experience in the courtroom and know how the game is played, will know that GG’s sob story blaming her mental health issues on her recividist thieving, is nothing more than a nauseating sop story for any gullible judge.
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June 27, 2024 10:19am
- imalwaysright
  
  PM
  This isn’t just any gullible judge, this is a gullible judge who has worked with the thief in the past.
  Maybe she deserves a capital G.
  Gullible !
  
  Is the judge prepared to stake her reputation on her sentence of a person who is an acquaintance/ friend/ politically aligned colleague/and an admitted thief ?
  
  Brave, loyal or stupid?
  
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  June 27, 2024 11:53am
  - Ghost
    
    This judge has not worked with Golriz.
    
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    June 27, 2024 12:00pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Thanks, didn’t realise that sentencing was by another judge.
      Begs the question, why doesn’t the trial judge pass sentence?
      Is this usual?
      
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      June 27, 2024 12:37pm
      - penguincouple
        
        There was no trial. She entered guilty pleas.
        
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        June 27, 2024 3:15pm
- cmm
  
  Technically this is not recidivist offending.
  Recidivism applies to a convicted person re-offending.
  Since she has no convictions this is just serial offending.
  
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  June 27, 2024 12:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Sometimes Shane Jones cracks me up….

This week the media is full of Matariki wonderfulness stories, and a MSM journo tries to get a hit on ACT who had opposed the creation of a Matariki public holiday.

Shane enlightens the Journo… by referring to the Book of Job…

https://waateanews.com/2024/06/26/biblical-writ-saves-matariki-holiday/
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June 27, 2024 10:23am
- PurplePen
  
  Couldn’t care less what the holiday was, its another one. I’d say yay, but I find statutory holidays and weekends annoying as the roads and shops are busy. Get back to work everyone.
  
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  June 27, 2024 10:59am
  - Paulus
    
    It was an attempt by Ardern to get Maori votes – appears to have gone overboard everywhere with taxpayers money being spent like well known former Finance Minister.
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:26am
    - cmm
      
      It was an attempt to get more votes from her core voter base.
      
      Too many people like a new holiday and sticking it o “the man”.
      
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      June 27, 2024 11:45am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Yes
        Matariki- employer pays
        Double sick leave- employer pays
        Minimum wage- employer pays
        
        That sort of “Koindniss” we don’t need.
        
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        June 27, 2024 11:59am
      - cmm
        
        No, they just think the employer pays.
        
        In reality the employee pays.
        
        If productivity goes down then the wages that can be justified go down too. Therefore the employee is not getting a freebie. They’re taking it out of their own pocket.
        
        Unfortunately far too few employees understand things well enough to see that.
        
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        June 27, 2024 12:44pm
  - sirknz
    
    I’m not sure that they thought through the optics behind a traditional Maori day off…
    
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    June 27, 2024 4:01pm
- Don Beckett
  
  I have no problem with Matariki in so far as it is arguably the only holiday devoted to Maori historical events, and allows Maori culture to be included in the various Public holidays that we enjoy.
  However, I do strongly object to it being used as a platform to introduce the old pagan ancestor worship religion that was practices in pre-european times. On TV we had a young man saying how it allowed him to unite with Papatuanuku – the earth goddess. While the Maori mythology is an important part of understanding the history of Maori spirituality – in the same way that we recognise the Greek & Roman & other cultural ancient religions as part of cultural history, they are still pagan and normalise the evil side of these ancient false religions, and can not end well. The advent of Christianity displaced these, and built the civilisation we have today. Sadly, as we depart further from Christianity, we are seeing the gradual collapse of western society, which hopefully can be arrested before its too late.
  
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  June 27, 2024 11:08am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I very much agree with the first part but not the second. It slightly freaks me out when I hear Maori refer to “the earth goddess” like this is a real thing.
    
    However you do not need to be a Christian to be committed to the post Enlightenment emergence of rationality and science.
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:14am
    - Don Beckett
      
      So what was it, Benedict, that brought on the so called Enlightenment. (Benedict – great Christian name, BTW. 😉 )
      
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      June 27, 2024 11:38am
      - cmm
        
        Christianity had been going on for nearly 1700 years before the Enlightenment.
        
        What brought it on? Certainly NOT Christianity.
        
        A lot of what brought it on was the emerging science of the day bringing people to the undeniable conclusion that you couldn’t answer every question by looking in the Bible.
        
        I have a science/engineering background so I am likely biased, but the Enlightenment era science brought things to the level where the common mancould see the real science (Laws of physics etc) in action around them and start to understand them in a real way – not just “God said xxx”.
        
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        June 27, 2024 12:04pm
      - virtualmark
        
        The advent of the printing press?
        
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        June 27, 2024 4:11pm
  - Paulus
    
    The Astronomer Galileo Galilei was first to identify in about 1568 the Seven Sisters and named as Pleiades.
    A bit before Maori were in the known world.
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:29am
    - cmm
      
      Galilei might have been the first to formally plot them down on a sky chart and name them for modern science, but he’s almost certain not the first to identify them or talk about them.
      
      It’s a bit like saying Livingstone discovered the Victoria Falls in 1855. Maybe he was the first white man to do so (unlikely – given there were many Portuguese explorers into the general area in the 1500s) but he was the first to put it on what we would consider a modern map. And no doubt tens of thousands of African people knew of the falls before then.
      
      But you’re correct that there is no magic Maoriness about Pleiades.
      
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      June 27, 2024 12:12pm
  - cmm
    
    All the mumbo-jumbo is fine if kept in its place.
    
    I really have no more issue with a Maori babbling about uniting with Papatuanuku than a Christian about church on Sundays and connecting with God.
    
    Both have no place in government or school etc.
    Neither replace science.
    
    I would have as much problem with God created the earth in 7 days being taught alongside science as I have with stories of Maui pulling up a big fish.
    
    Teach them all as part of mythology and religious education etc if you will, but not as part of the operation of real life.
    
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    June 27, 2024 11:54am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      It’s a petty revenge concept pushed by juvenile non-Maori in the main. “We” stole “their” land etc etc. Childish and simplistic because they are essentially operating on an adolescent knee-jerk world view.
      
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      June 27, 2024 9:49pm
  - PurplePen
    
    Did tribes back when have public holidays? And were they scheduled on Mondays typically or weekdays at least when the local iwi banks were open? I wonder.
    
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    June 27, 2024 2:02pm
sirknz

No points for guessing the reviewers allegiances.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/review-jerry-seinfeld-brings-complaint-comedy-to-aucklands-spark-arena/TQLAUSSCYFA2LKTXBCP2WHH2YA/

I was there and it was good, solid 60 minute set. Some great jokes that neither the reviewer, or the unwashed dozen of protestors out the front could really relate to being centred around friends, family, and marriage.

These leftys are really a joyless lot aren’t they.
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June 27, 2024 10:31am
Swifty

Trying everything they can, including guilt-tripping New Zealanders with a sick relative, and blaming others, to escape the perfectly foreseeable consequences of their own damn actions!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/family-fighting-to-keep-aunt-in-new-zealand-as-immigration-tells-her-to-go/BIRX5MIQ4FACFCNB5U5OKAOP6E/

How about the Tongan ‘community leaders’ come out and condemn them for making the community look bad, or will they try instead to curry favour with their community by talking about the Dawn Raids and how unfair it all is.
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June 27, 2024 10:36am
- imalwaysright
  
  Swifty see the following links to see the role of Ross Ardern
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-policeman-father-carried-out-dawn-raids-as-junior-officer/2VQOHS3CKVQAWV43D5E3LNXWVU/
  
  https://waikanaewatch.org/2022/05/09/the-story-of-tokelau-the-prison-islands-and-ross-ardern-their-nz-appointed-administrator/
  
  Interesting reading
  
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  June 27, 2024 12:55pm
- artemisia
  
  Had similar thoughts when reading the article. They fought the law and the law won. Eventually.
  
  There is more to the overstayer issue than the Dawn Raids (always have to have the initial caps). For example, families have to collude with breaking the law, employers have to pay under the table. Has to be stressful for all concerned, always watching over their shoulder and worried.
  
  Then there is the impact on the taxpayer. There are said to be some 14,000 overstayers in New Zealand, not just paying no income tax but requiring significant costs to find, process and remove them.
  
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  June 27, 2024 1:07pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The couple look after the wife’s brother, who is 70, has an intellectual disability & is an NZ resident.
  
  They have overstayed for 20 years after arriving on student visas.
  
  Lots of holes here. For starters, per the photos they look way too old to have been legitimate students (not to mention the age of her brother); how did the brother, with his problems, obtain NZ residency?
  
  They also have kids and grandkids here. Did they have the kids here (in which why wasn’t Immigration called to the hospital?); or did they ship them in (in which case why wasn’t Immigration greeting the whole family at the airport?).
  
  Man, we are a soft touch!
  
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  June 27, 2024 8:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Open the Wairoa Bar channel before the rains begin…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018944517/questions-about-the-clearing-of-wairoa-river-after-rain-hits
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June 27, 2024 10:59am
- newview
  
  My sentiments exactly Maggie but I read somewhere that the massive swell at the river mouth was also stopping the river water getting out to sea quickly enough. Damned if you do damned if you don’t. The truth is somewhere there to be picked out.
  
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  June 27, 2024 11:46am
- kowtow
  
  But today’s papers are saying the climate is changing. When it’s just weather.
  
  Actually councils are afraid of or unable to or unwilling to do what they used to do with rivers and that is manage them.Simple common sense and good practice all gone.
  
  Cos the Green lobby in the bureaucracies have become all powerful and all manner of “interfering” with rivers is seen as unecological.
  Now add Maori interests to all things water .
  
  What a cluster.
  
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  June 27, 2024 12:44pm
  - Keith White
    
    The hottest temperature ever recorded in Europe was in a suburb of Athens. In 1977.
    
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    June 27, 2024 4:29pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Gravel is very important round here.
  Some Council people say there is even a shortage of it.
  Except a couple of years ago, gravel buildup in a local river caused a largish bridge to be washed away isolating nearly 100 residents.
  Some of whom had been warning this might happen for several years- but, as I say, gravel is a very valuable commodity and must be protected…………
  
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  June 27, 2024 1:16pm
  - Swifty
    
    We love you and value you too gravel!
    
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    June 27, 2024 1:37pm
Grunter

Tucker Carlson is currently in Aust. The lame MSM journalist tried to take him down, Tuckers response got the crowd laughing and mocking the journo…

JOURNALIST: “You’ve preempted my question on Putin, which I think you did strategically cause you knew it’s what we’d ask.”

TUCKER: “Putin! He’s so bad! Did he make you take the COVID shot?”

JOURNALIST: “Take the what?”

TUCKER: “Take the COVID shot. No, he didn’t.”

(Crowd cheers)

JOURNALIST: “The COVID shot saved probably tens of millions of lives.”

TUCKER: “Oh, yeah. Definitely. ‘Safe and effective.’ This is why everyone loves the media. It’s like a time capsule. It’s like you’re like the last Japanese soldier on Okinawa. You think the war is still going. Oh, that’s hilarious.”
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- imalwaysright
  
  Like shooting fish in a petri dish !
  https://youtu.be/dka2i27sxgs?si=HETyC2fzQfQQIb3n
  
  Best thing he ever did was go it on his own.
  
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  June 27, 2024 12:09pm
  - Grunter
    
    It sounds like he hates the Clownman Boris Johnson just as much as I do.
    
    Tucker tells the story how Johnson constantly called him out to British media (mostly over the Putin interview). So Tucker called him up to request an interview, which Johnson said “Yes – but only if you pay me US$1 Million”
    
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    June 27, 2024 2:27pm
BeaB

Aren’t we lucky our media can find so many experts to educate us. Even an expert to tell us who is worthy to hold public office, no matter what the voters may have decided. Voters certainly didn’t want him when he stood for office.
Today the Herald once again helps to bolster Golriz’s defence by digging up an expert in loss-related shoplifting. Unfortunately that expert also told us these shoplifters usually steal low value items.
I want to hear from the expert on greedy, entitled women who want the high-end gear but don’t want to pay for it.
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June 27, 2024 11:37am
- cmm
  
  The expert says that about 5% of the population are prone to loss-reactive theft. Wow.
  250k more people before the courts?
  
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  June 27, 2024 12:39pm
Maggie Pie

O.M.G. you’ll LUV this 😛

Auckland’s very own ‘Citizen Photojournalist’ describes Chippy as….

“a monument to vaginal dryness”

LOL!!

https://x.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1805405716561412530
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June 27, 2024 12:51pm
Ghost

Golriz sentencing live updates

Stuff
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June 27, 2024 12:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Hundreds on X saying ‘the fix is well and truly in’…. discharged without conviction
  
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  June 27, 2024 1:05pm
- Ghost
  
  Today’s joke
  
  Golriz Ghahraman fined $1860 for shoplifting, discharge without conviction declined
  
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  June 27, 2024 1:52pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Apparently she paid back the value of the swiped goods.
    
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    June 27, 2024 10:20pm
    - Ghost
      
      I have no doubt we will hear from her again. It may be in London, or elsewhere, but the skill she showed in the Scottie’s video was someone who was an experienced pro at what she was doing.
      
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      June 27, 2024 10:39pm
- cmm
  
  At least she got a conviction.
  
  It would be very hard to go forward from here trying to make the law stick with shoplifting ferals if they’d let her get away with this.
  
  I don’t buy all the damage control bollocks in the media that she immediately tried to make this all right. She had all sorts of support around her that she didn’t tell of her offending. There was no need to pull these stunts. She could have just walked away.
  
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  June 27, 2024 1:57pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Should have got extra for the stupid scarf and badge
  
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  June 27, 2024 3:01pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKV0O0ymBh4
Bede Laracy on the Kāpiti Coast District Council’s Sea Level Debacle.
Leah Panapa talks to Raumati Community Board chair Bede Laracy about Kāpiti Coast District Council’s sea level debacle.
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June 27, 2024 1:22pm
- mandk
  
  Coastlines erode. Always have and always will, regardless of supposed climate change. How do people imagine bays and other coastal features are formed?
  
  It’s not a NZ phenomenon by any means. There are villages in East Anglia that disappeared into the sea in the middle ages and are now a mile offshore.
  
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  June 27, 2024 2:16pm
- greybeard
  
  If the sea level IS rising at Raumati and Waikanae then it must also be rising everywhere else around the NZ coast and in the Pacific and the Atlantic and in fact the world over: you can’t pour water into one end of your bath and expect a different level at the other end.
  It’s all or nothing.
  And it seems like nothing.
  
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  June 27, 2024 2:19pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It seems not.
    
    “Sea level rise at specific locations may be more or less than the global average due to many local factors: subsidence, upstream flood control, erosion, regional ocean currents, variations in land height, and whether the land is still rebounding from the compressive weight of Ice Age glaciers.”
    
    https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html#:~:text=Sea%20level%20rise%20at%20specific,weight%20of%20Ice%20Age%20glaciers.
    
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    June 27, 2024 2:31pm
    - greybeard
      
      That paragraph seems less of a “fact” and more of an excuse in case they got it wrong !
      Like the “weapons of mass destruction” getting downgraded to “providing materials which could possibly be used in weapons of mass destruction”.
      Muppets.
      
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      June 27, 2024 2:36pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Really? AFAIK sea level rising at quite different rates at different locations is long established. There is nothing controversial about it.
        
        https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel-global-local.html#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20sea%20level%20is,direction%20and%20magnitude%20of%20change.
        
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        June 27, 2024 2:39pm
      - cmm
        
        BY: Nothing controversial at all…. unless you try link these to climate change.
        
        Rivers have been flooding and fresh and salt water mingling etc since before life arrived on the planet – let alone humans or “climate change”.
        
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        June 27, 2024 4:35pm
    - cmm
      
      The level of static water is caused by gravity and water density.
      Warmer water is slightly less dense, so bulges out slightly more. Not by much though. The same effect is also found where fresh and salt water coexist.
      
      Of course the major differences are due to other factors like currents, tides, outflow from river mouths and such – none of which are at all related to climate change.
      
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      June 27, 2024 4:32pm
    - Simon
      
      Levels of bull shit rising at constant rate.
      
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      June 27, 2024 4:43pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Remember during the 2000s all the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the climate-cult members banging on about all the islands that were barely keeping heads above water and were soon to disappear under the waves? Well that was another climate crisis crock. Most of the allegedly “drowning” islands are in fact growing in size. Do a web search of “Kench islands growing”.
      
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      June 27, 2024 10:28pm
  - Taieri
    
    You can see two different sea levels at the same time in NZ. In French Pass. This is due to the tidal effect.
    
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    June 27, 2024 3:48pm
  - Jethrod
    
    I heard tell that when the Panama Canal was constructed, it was found that either the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean was higher or lower than the other by around a 20cm. Now I know it isn’t a canal that is like the Suez, that is , has locks, but allowing for levels there is a difference.
    
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    June 27, 2024 4:43pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      The sea levels difference make no difference in the Panama Canal as the vessels rise about 100 ft in sets of locks then let down the other end.
      
      The Suez has different sea level at either end and there is a slight current.
      
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      June 27, 2024 5:08pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Also some of the original Cinque Ports are now inland.
  
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  June 27, 2024 5:10pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ng6x2FViok
What Does Clacton Think of the Reform Leader?
NCF Director Peter Whittle visits Clacton to ask the locals what they think of Nigel Farage, who they will be voting for, and what issues are most important to them in this election.
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June 27, 2024 1:23pm
rouppe

Looks like I was very much wrong.

Not only convicted, but fined as well.
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June 27, 2024 1:58pm
- David Garrett
  
  rouppe: Yes, I am very surprised too, given the Crown agreed with the defence that a conviction was sufficient penalty in itself. Appeal of sentence quite likely I suspect.
  
  Now watch the Law Society tie itself in knots working out a way to give this liar and fraud a Practising Certificate.
  
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  June 27, 2024 2:18pm
  - cmm
    
    ” Appeal of sentence quite likely I suspect.”
    
    Really? Doesn’t an appeal open you up to re-sentencing which could be harsher?
    
    I’d have thought she’s be happy with the slight tap on the wrist and GTF out of there before anyone changes their mind.
    
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    June 27, 2024 4:21pm
- kowtow
  
  did she wear that pro terrorist scarf in court ?
  
  and yet she claims to stand for the victims of war and is a traumatised refugee , wearing that terror- political statement.
  
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  June 27, 2024 2:21pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    She claims to have been traumatised by fleeing Iran as a refugee when she was 8.
    They went on holiday to Fiji and jumped on a plane to Auckland where they asked for asylum. The reason was they didn’t want to be forced to convert to Islam.
    
    30 years later, there she is wearing a keffiyeh in support of the Genocidal Hamas. The judge should have thrown the book at her for using her sentencing as a forum for political activism. Doesn’t show any contrition at all.
    
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    June 27, 2024 2:48pm
    - kowtow
      
      ‘The reason was they didn’t want to be forced to convert to Islam.’
      Are her family from some minority there?
      
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      June 27, 2024 4:13pm
    - cmm
      
      “The reason was they didn’t want to be forced to convert to Islam.”
      
      But she wore a hijab or whatever when she was at school in NZ didn’t she?
      
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      June 27, 2024 4:19pm
      - cmm
        
        I was mistaken. That was a picture from when she lived in Iran.
        
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        June 27, 2024 4:27pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Looks like she appears happy with the outcome….
    
    https://x.com/TheWrightBishop/status/1806161343843848638
    
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    June 27, 2024 3:17pm
    - Ghost
      
      Is that her audition tape for her new onlyfans career?
      
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      June 27, 2024 3:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WTF….. $260 in Court Costs!
    
    So who picks up the other 200k ??
    
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    June 27, 2024 3:39pm
    - cmm
      
      Didn’t you feel your wallet get a bit lighter?
      
      Ask your partner’s mum why she’s only getting an extra $2 a week?
      
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      June 27, 2024 4:17pm
  - kevn
    
    kow… GG making her parents proud? Doubt it.
    
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    June 27, 2024 4:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

National are trying to whitewash David Seymour’s bill.
Chris Luxon is an activist.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/why-we-must-support-the-treaty-principles-bill-part-2/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU_-uWXmrbo
Treaty Principles Bill. 7 minutes.
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June 27, 2024 4:02pm
Swifty

A very good performance of the Taxpayer Union bloke in spite of Willie Jackson’s incoherence and general nastiness:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u1wNlaL2JeA
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June 27, 2024 4:59pm
Maggie Pie

1EWES repoerting on all the happy revellers arriving in K’Road getting ready to party
the night away at the 2024 Matariki Celebrations 😀

https://facebook.com/KRoadNZ/

Be interesting to check The Horrid in the morning as to the number of assaults, knifings, rapes and general mayhem the Police attended.
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June 27, 2024 6:47pm
Eugene

Just been to my local New World and it’s Christmas Eve level panic and insanity there. Calm down people. I know Maori culture is our new compulsory national religion and woe betide any heretics or blasphemers – but so far Maori have not placed a rahui on Matariki day trading (watch this space in future). In the meantime supermarkets are open tomorrow.
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- cmm
  
  A bit of koha will sort it out.
  
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  June 27, 2024 9:31pm
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MataRubbish.
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