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peterwn

Heather du Plessis Allen was obviously not a nurse. She says “Regardless of whether the call was the right one, Nicola made the call. But then she made a mistake – she didn’t provide an alternative”. First sentence fine, but she got it wrong with the second sentence. Do you really expect a paramedic or nurse to develop a full treatment plan before applying a tourniquet when the patient is bleeding to death? Heather must be away with the ferries.
See: https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-nicola-willis-is-having-a-ferry-problem/
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June 25, 2024 8:01am
- Souvlaki
  
  Yes…latterly her ( Heathers) cognitive skills have taken a hit……not sure what problem is 🙁
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:44am
  - peterwn
    
    And yet her recent paywalled article concerning the Wellington City Council was superb,
    Especially her comment:
    “But the disaster they’ve turned into has even members of the Green Party distancing themselves from the Green mayor.
    As they say, never interrupt your opponent while he is in the middle of making a mistake.”
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:02am
  - jkt
    
    Heather is actually correct. Facts will not matter when opponents pile the blame onto Willis. Heather is also correct that this government will come up with a plan to deal with this issue just as they made good on their cancer medicine promise.
    
    The fact that this government has been working on plans how best to deal with their responsibility to create better outcomes for New Zealanders and deliver on their promises should not stop any of us from critiquing their efforts. That is our responsibility.
    
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    June 25, 2024 12:45pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Reading Willis this morning, it appears the funding for ferries is still there, I can not see a problem with changing the model, especially when funding is still in place
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:36am
  - peterwn
    
    She would have retained provision in the Budget for new ferries but the money can only be used when Cabinet makes a decision on replacement ferries. Cabinet (or at least Cabinet Committee) approval would be required for any settlement Kiwirail negotiates with the supplier of the cancelled ferries. And a Treasury Report has to accompany any paper to Cabinet (or Committee) on such matters. Grant Robertson probably considered such reports to be decoration, Nicola and her Associate Finance Ministers will take them seriously (as far as I know Nicola or an Associate finance Minister will be on each Cabinet Committee). Generally if there is an adverse Treasury Report, your spending proposal is dead in the water.
    
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    June 25, 2024 12:20pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      And that’s a problem how?
      
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      June 25, 2024 1:37pm
      - peterwn
        
        Those who put proposals to Cabinet find Treasury reports are a pain in the bum. You have a highly intelligent bright spark around asking you lots of awkward questions – and they hit home pretty accurately.
        
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        June 25, 2024 2:11pm
      - Groggy
        
        @ peterwyn; Treasury reports; A highly intelligent bright spark who has zero real world experience asking incredibly stupid questions and asking for complex answers in 300 characters or less is more my experience.
        
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        June 25, 2024 5:10pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “And a Treasury Report has to accompany any paper to Cabinet (or Committee) on such matters.”
      
      Since when? Treasury Reports are only routinely sent to the Minister of Finance and the Associate Finance Ministers.
      
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      June 25, 2024 8:29pm
- SometimesRight
  
  I travelled on BlueBridge over the weekend. At both ends they have a lump of concrete, which the stern ramp of the ferry lowers onto. Cars and trucks drive on and off. There is no $3B infrastructure supporting that operation. However, if government keeps dangling cash injections in front of KiwiRail/Interislander, then their competitors are disincentivised to maintain or invest, let alone start up any further services. For that reason, I think government should exit the ferry market – either leave it to KiwiRail to stand on their own feet, or direct KiwiRail to solve transporting rail vehicles only, and leave road vehicles to the private sector.
  
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  June 25, 2024 2:21pm
  - cmm
    
    Exactly right.
    
    Government SOEs, if they exist at all, should ONLY be there as the supplier of last resort when the private sector are unable to provide a service.
    
    Government SOEs should not spring into existence just because they feel they can.
    
    Any service that is state funded gets massive subsidies and this is massively anti-competitive. Even if the subsidies are not cash, the mere fact that a project is government backed reduces operating risk and is a huge subsidy.
    
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    June 25, 2024 3:29pm
Tauhei Notts

Memorandum to National Party fund raisers.
Stuck with a choice between Heineken or Heineken Lite, I will go for the Heineken.
And similarly, stuck with a choice between Labour or Labour Lite, I will go for Labour. I like the real thing.
Would you National Party fund raisers kindly have a quiet word with your leader.
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June 25, 2024 8:05am
- pdm
  
  TN – a very important message – subtly put.
  
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  June 25, 2024 8:11am
- peterwn
  
  The stark reality is ‘National Lite’ is more likely to win elections than ‘National’.
  
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  June 25, 2024 8:12am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    How do you know that? What is your evidence for that claim?
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:13am
    - pdm
      
      Maybe not all National MP’s but just look at and listen to Luxon, especially on things Maori.
      
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      June 25, 2024 9:17am
      - artemisia
        
        There will be some tightening up of funding, hopefully based these days on strict contracted outcomes and not hosepipes. Meanwhile ‘anti- Maori’ gets a whole lot of very noisy airtime, so softly softly is better.
        
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        June 25, 2024 9:26am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Just look at and listen to Luxon, especially on things to do with climate change.
        
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        June 25, 2024 10:06am
      - kowtow
        
        And climate .
        
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        June 25, 2024 4:45pm
    - peterwn
      
      I do not have hard evidence nor do I need to. I am not a researcher writing a peer reviewed publication nor a PhD dissertation. I form a view on what I read and hear.
      The people who decide an election, are ordinary low profile people, not a noisy right wing group who peddle their wares on Kiwiblog etc.
      I feel the average Kiwi just wants a fair go, a reasonable society to live in, support to the less well off, kids being given the best advantage, If they perceive that a right wing government are not going to deliver these things they will vote Labour or worse still Green. I am sure Chris, Nicola and Bish are acutely aware of this and tailor their stance accordingly.
      
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      June 25, 2024 10:13am
      - septic skeptic
        
        What’s the effing point of winning these elections if you are only going to hold the status quo? I want a course change not a steady hand on the tiller.
        
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        June 25, 2024 12:44pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        “I feel the average Kiwi just wants a fair go, a reasonable society to live in, support to the less well off, kids being given the best advantage.”
        
        I agree with you. And I’m unimpressed with the current government’s blunderbuss approach to public spending cuts. There should be targeted strikes against the unproductive or parasitic state entities like the HRC and the demographic ministries. But the previous government developed a Maaori ethnostate agenda that would have elevated Maaori rights well beyond the existing privileges. Was that giving everyone a fair go? There are plenty of underprivileged non-Maaori in this country, but they don’t seem to matter to the contemporary left, which is focused largely on identity rather than economics. Ardern tried to gaslight us about what was afoot, but Willie Jackson gave the game away. This article explains the situation quite well: https://grantduncanphd.substack.com/p/why-labour-lost
        
        I for one am very attached to things like equality before the law (under attack from the activist push for consideration of a person’s “mana” in court cases), freedom of expression (practically dead in our universities, and in public discourse in general), and evidence-based decision-making (always under threat from ideologies of diverse kinds, both nominally “left” and “right”). Standing up for these things should not just be the preserve of “noisy right-wingers”. It’s easy to forget that equality before the law and freedom of speech were only hard-won by much blood, sweat and tears. I’m glad that a few “noisy right-wingers” are prepared to speak out against those who are undermining those hard-won rights. And a nominally centre-right party that failed to protect those rights would be past its use-by date.
        
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        June 25, 2024 12:54pm
    - PurplePen
      
      You don’t have to be a good cook to know whether food tastes good or not.
      
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      June 25, 2024 2:29pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The UK are about to find out what happens to a conservative party that is no longer conservative.
  Let’s hope our ‘conservative’ party pays attention.
  
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  June 25, 2024 8:21am
  - pdm
    
    Did anyone else see that Great Britain apparently owes India in the order of $45Trillion?
    
    https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/06/25/apparently-britain-owes-india-45-trillion/
    
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    June 25, 2024 8:29am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Meh.
      
      India got:
      > a Nation where there was none – the sub continent was a series of warring sub states, with a decaying Mughal Empire collapsing to inevitable chaos
      > infrastructure in terms of rail, road and ports that either didnt have or got a major upgrade
      > democracy (they like to say they re the biggest democracy in the world)
      > a language in English that helps them navigate the world of trade, diplomacy, shipping, aviation etc easily as English is a global language
      
      So I calculate that as being worth about 90 Trillion, so please send the cheque care of His Majestys Revenue and Customs, Westminster, London
      
      OR we can stop let Marxist stirs cause people to get angsty about things long gone
      
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      June 25, 2024 10:42am
      - Cantabrian
        
        And the same can be said about the benefits the colonists brought to this country. I never see any acknowledgement that all the infrastructure and productive activity is directly due to the efforts – and the expenditure- of the dreaded settlers. Don’t tell me New Zealand would be where it is if that were not so.
        
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        June 25, 2024 1:32pm
    - Philview
      
      I read the other day that India has repatriated 100 tons of gold from the Bank of England vault in the last month. It was a major logistical exercise getting it to India.
      
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      June 25, 2024 7:54pm
  - Paulus
    
    Labour in Britain do not have to do anything – Conservatives have shot themselves – but God Help Britain when Labour get in again, overwhelmingly.
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The ‘leader’ is not listening. He is digging his own hole.
  
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  June 25, 2024 8:44am
  - Taieri
    
    He is digging his own hole.
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    That’s immaterial. What really matters is that he’s digging a hole for the whole country. Or deepening it…
    
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    June 25, 2024 8:54am
- Grunter
  
  The most disturbing thing for the country is, it pretty much doesn’t matter – Labour or Labour-Lite we go down the gurgler as a country. And the vast majority of voters have always voted Labour or Labour-Lite. At best only 10% vote for true capitalism.
  
  Most Kiwis are socialists. Have been since the 1930’s. The only subtle difference has been how deeply socialist we go at a particular point in time.
  
  Socialism always fails. And Kiwis sit and wonder why we are going backward as a country!
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:50am
  - Damocles11
    
    I am afraid you are correct. But when you see the sectors of society that the Left have locked up as supporters of the various strands of Leftism, then it becomes clear the scale of the problem. It seems that the young, women, Maori, Pacific Islanders, public servants, academics, and greenies are all firmly in the Leftist camp. Then you have Labour offering a perpetual lolly scramble to swinging voters, while the MSM demonise the Right and lionise the Left. In theory it should be virtually impossible for a Centre Right government to get elected.
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:41am
  - peterwn
    
    “Most Kiwis are socialists” and National has to tailor its political stance and policies accordingly. See my previous post complete with five downticks.
    
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    June 25, 2024 12:24pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    “Most Kiwis are socialists.”
    
    If that’s true, why is our top income tax rate one of the lowest in the OECD? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.oecd.org/tax/tax-policy/tax-database-update-note.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiqreTaxvWGAxWCxzgGHYFRDcUQFnoECBsQAw&usg=AOvVaw1P1JdTFVfny0K9HVEgJFIg
    
    People who complain about “socialism” are living in the past. The main focus of the left shifted from economics to culture several decades ago. The central tenets of contemporary radical leftism are something like:
    – Western cultures are uniquely oppressive, and are morally inferior to other cultures (hence the need for “decolonization”).
    – White people are oppressors, and are morally inferior to people of other ethnicities.
    – Men oppress women, and are morally inferior to women.
    – Sexual minorities are oppressed (doesn’t matter how many laws are passed to protect them), and must be “celebrated”.
    – “Islamophobia” is heinous (and should probably be criminalized), but putting the boot into Christians and Christianity is quite OK.
    – Free speech is dangerous (which is of course true), and must be curtailed to protect the feelings of “vulnerable” demographics.
    
    Of course leftoids will gaslight you about the above – they will rarely acknowledge these tenets.
    
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    June 25, 2024 1:11pm
- Souvlaki
  
  Yes…watch and LEARN from the Tories in UK.
  Their failure on immigration….analogous to Nationals approach to curbing the rampant Maorification of all and sundry! ie dilatory.
  Ignore this elephant in the room at your peril!🐘
  
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  June 25, 2024 11:39am
- Paulus
  
  But I only drink Heineken Zero as medicinally I can no longer drink any Alcohol.
  So where does that leave me ?
  
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  June 25, 2024 1:58pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

There’s something odd about this story. How is it that after 6 years of Jaxxie splashing taxpayer funds like water, there are still oldies living in tents in Northland? Could it be utu on Winston? And what role does Nga Puhi’s failure to settle its Treaty claims play?

Regardless, where is the world famous aroha from whanau? I’m just a common pakeha, but I didn’t leave my parents to live in a caravan over winter.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/06/far-north-kaum-tua-struggling-in-grip-of-poverty.html
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June 25, 2024 8:07am
- Sacha
  
  Look.
  The Elders in the far north get the same pension as me. They live rurally or in small towns. They have family nearby, who, we are told, have strong values when it comes to looking after their elders.
  If I can manage a modest 5 acre lifestyle, keep warm, eat, and run an oldish vehicle on the OAP, why can’t they?
  Or am I in ‘the grip of poverty’, and don’t know it?
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:10am
- Paulus
  
  With Inflati0n Nga Puhi can afford to wait as long as its takes and daily the amount keeps rising.
  As this settlement is theoretically the last, then it’s all over -not on your life,.
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:24am
Simon

01 December 2023
This plan maps out how Te Kawa Mataaho will deliver diversity, equity, and inclusion activities.

https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/publications/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-plan-2024-and-2025-2-year

The ideological poison runs deep.

Your vote doesn’t matter. National can’t fix govt departments. National are lying to you and are part of the problem. Voting doesn’t matter except the rate of steady decline.
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June 25, 2024 8:10am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Yes, the frightening reality is most of our institutions have been captured. And this has been going on for a long time – the Key government did nothing to oppose it, and of course it accelerated under the Ardern-Hipkins kakistocracy.
  
  But credit where it’s due – the removal of treaty clauses from multiple pieces of legislation is a very positive development, as is the restoration of referenda on Maaori wards.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:16am
  - Grunter
    
    Te Mana o Te Wai is still in place – but hey, what does that matter, it’s only water!
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:52am
  - Paulus
    
    Hasn’t happened yet !
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:25am
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME

“Very interesting and damning video clip, from X/twitter, if authentic.
No idea how this was obtained but looks authentic and there doesn’t seem to be any doubt that there was a suggestion about what to do with blank voting papers in the 2022 local body elections.
Note the complaints that voting is rigged to make it hard for maori to vote???”

https://x.com/TheZeitgeistNZ/status/1804702592033079515
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June 25, 2024 8:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Anyone would think they were Democrats.
  
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  June 25, 2024 8:47am
- Scooter
  
  New Zealand is the least corrupt country in the world, Aotearoa on the other hand.
  
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  June 25, 2024 8:55am
  - pdm
    
    Scooter when I was growing up in the 50’s and 60’s there was a saying which must have originated in that mythical place Aotearoa:
    
    `Never trust a Maori with a briefcase’!!!
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:24am
    - Scooter
      
      There used to be a joke, what do you call a Maori driving a Mercedes , a bus driver. Now days John Tamahere has turned that joke around.
      
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      June 25, 2024 9:46am
      - Ghost
        
        Our public transport has a fleet of Mercedes Benz
        
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        June 25, 2024 9:53am
  - sirknz
    
    Incorrect. You are referring to the “Perceived Corruption” index. NZ usually has the lowest, or near the lowest, perceived corruption on the index.
    
    The key word that many people miss out is ‘Perceived’.
    
    All it means is that most people are not paying attention to, or completely ignoring the corruption that is taking place.
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:09am
    - Miritu
      
      You make a very good point, which often gets overlooked!
      
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      June 25, 2024 12:14pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I wonder how NZ fares in the political disinterest ratings for it’s population? Many seem not to give a ship (perhaps to be fair they are too busy being run ragged just trying to survive!).
      
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      June 25, 2024 9:17pm
Bridgenag

BBC Verified Colonialism
The full interview with Jusper Machogu

“Many of us were made very angry when a BBC hit-piece was published about Kenyan farmer Jusper Machogu last week. Written by Marco Silva of the BBC’s “Verify” team the piece vilified Jusper – a small-holding Kenyan farmer – for having the temerity to challenge climate alarmism that has become the BBC’s stock-in-trade. “

https://www.thenewera.uk/p/bbc-verified-colonialism?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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June 25, 2024 8:12am
- mawm
  
  I have long said that independent coffee growers, many of them Kenyan single plantation owners, are the ones to suffer whilst the large corporate growers have anyone undercutting their prices removed from the market under the guise of “ethical” coffee. Probably the same could be said about diamonds.
  
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  June 25, 2024 12:48pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Funny cartoon from What’s Up With That 😛:
  
  A Day in the LIFE of a Climate Journalist:
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/06/24/a-day-in-the-life-of-a-climate-journalist/
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:53pm
Bridgenag

The pervasive belief in the eternal progress of mankind has been a crucial, driving element of Western liberalism for generations. It is starting to break down.-eugyppius

“The most powerful force in Western politics today is a cultural virus that is always chewing away at our instincts for self-preservation. It is why millions of people support infinity wind turbines and infinity solar panels, even if these make their electricity more expensive and less reliable. It is related to out-group identification and the cultural fetish for victim minorities, and thus explains the popular impulses that permit mass migration. At the broadest level, this force accounts for an important phenomenon in modern politics, whereby millions of people support policies that make their lives objectively worse, while parties responsible for these policies appear utterly immune to their own failures, if they are not actively rewarded for them.”

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/the-pervasive-belief-in-the-eternal?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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June 25, 2024 8:18am
imalwaysright

Isn’t it strange that councils will cancel any event that is pro free speech or womens rights etc, but they seem to defend to the hilt everything that involves sexual deviancy, especially when it is targeted at our kids.
Guppy ?
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June 25, 2024 8:29am
- Notsofast
  
  Strange indeed.
  Willis Stanford and Bishop worship at the altar of deep misogyny with their determination to allow men into women’s sport and changing rooms, and vehemently hate Posie Parker with her message.
  The venues take their message from these people.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:26am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Where has any Nat policy suggested this, I have only heard them say let each sport work out what they want, I know swimming has given the bugle smugglers in full suits the heave hoo
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:44am
    - Notsofast
      
      Stanford and Willis have both separately welcomed men into women’s changing rooms. Bishop clearly is a disciple to this bizarre practice by voting for sex self ID and men in women’s sports.
      
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      June 25, 2024 11:24am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Put up evidence that they welcomed men in woman’s changing rooms, I think you are getting mixed up with the person who has had a sex change, and a transvestite with full tackle.
        
        Peter’s policy is about full tackle in the changing room
        
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        June 25, 2024 1:43pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Stanford said that in all her school visits no one mentioned bathrooms, which is code for there is no problem. The social elites inevitably have awareness of friends children who have been swallowed by the cult, so I infer that everything is edited to eliminate the chance of offending. New Zealand has sterilised 700 children and counting. This scourge is very hard to reverse now, and national will die in a ditch encouraging more transitioning of children by never questioning. There is no other explanation. National caucus was apparently banned from attending Inflection Point in Wgtn, this is how bleak the path ahead is. Fortunately Keir Starmer has just explicitly stated there will be no Gender ideology taught in UK schools, which will mean forever. It is vital to defund and discredit organisations like Inside Out, get rid of the cursed rainbow tick, and start listening to women like Ro Edge, Jill Ovens, Jan Rivers, and a host of others who have not completely lost their minds.
        
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        June 25, 2024 4:15pm
Cassandra

https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/seymour-should-never-have-politicized-pharmac-by-making-national-s-biggest-fundraiser-paula-bennett
Prof Rob McCulloch on jobs for the girls. A prominent pharmacologist or clinician would have been a much better idea.
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June 25, 2024 8:30am
Benedict Yu

I was a little surprised at some of the revelations yesterday in the defence submission by the lawyer for Golriz Ghahraman. She said that the “threats of rape and death were constant [during her time as an MP] and ongoing and credible”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/ex-green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-arrives-at-auckland-district-court-for-sentencing-on-shoplifting-charges/SWSKCZLG4ZF4JJ3ROR6KY35TVM/

That is some claim. “Constant and credible” rape and death threats over many years against an MP surely would have resulted in police investigations and at least some arrests and charges? Why are we just hearing about this now?

Then there is the claim that she had PTSD from “her early life in war-torn Iran”.

As recently as December 2023, Golriz told Parliament of her memories as “a Middle Eastern child who lived under bombs at some point in my life”.

The problem is that she was born and grew up in Mashhad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AThe_most_populated_cities_of_iran.svg

Mashhad is the second largest city in Iran. However it is hundreds of kilometres to the east of the Iraq border. It was not bombed by Iraq during the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AWar_of_the_Cities_map.png

Of course, her parents may have moved into the danger zone during the war. However, that would seem odd. At the very least, is it possible that she has convinced herself that she experienced bombing as a child, when she did not?

Finally there is this.

“The court heard Ghahraman had received an invitation to take up a short term residence fellowship at the University College London.

“There’s a real and appreciable risk she may be barred from travel and barred from taking up this position..”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350320464/nz-politics-live-golriz-ghahraman-arrives-court-ahead-her-sentencing-shoplifting

This does not sit well with me. This is not a picture of someone who is mentally traumatised by PTSD. She is well enough to jump on airplane to take up a position at a prestigious University. 😳

It is quite likely that some mental health crisis caused Golriz to flip out and steal things. However the accounts of what caused that mental health crisis cause me to be sceptical. If the causes do not stand up to close scrutiny, what is the extent of the crisis?
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June 25, 2024 8:36am
- imalwaysright
  
  Good post.
  If she has lied to the court she should be retried and also
  face a separate trial for perjury.
  She was a member of the highest court in the land when she decided to become a criminal.
  Not only did she willingly and with full knowledge break the laws passed by that court but she also mocks the system charged with enforcing the laws.
  
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  June 25, 2024 8:45am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It does not work like that. Golriz is not giving evidence so cannot be charged with perjury. As for the defence lawyer, she is just doing her job.
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:14am
  - kevn
    
    iam… GG is just taking the piss with her lies and on-going fake back story as well.
    Look at the watermelon broach, a symbol of the pally movement (as well).
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:32am
  - Liberty
    
    Why is the woke media hiding under a rock.
    If it was a National MP up in front of the beak.
    The spineless media would wet themselves with mass hysteria
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/complaint-referred-to-chief-district-court-judge-over-judge-on-ex-green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-shoplifting-case.html
    
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    June 25, 2024 2:12pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yep, exactly. You beat me to it.
      
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      June 25, 2024 9:18pm
- Cassandra
  
  The crime of perjury comes to mind. She has always been full of BS – refugee my foot – but this is ludicrous. As is the university offer. Lefty woman hired by woke uni – that’s news? Deporting her to Iran makes sense.
  
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  June 25, 2024 8:52am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    See my comment above. She is not giving evidence.
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:15am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    She is a New Zealand citizen. No deportation possible. 🤡
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:19am
    - igm
      
      Can her citizenship not be revoked?
      She is unworthy of our goodwill, in fact she and her kind are not wanted or needed.
      
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      June 25, 2024 9:31am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Of course her citizenship cannot be revoked. 😳
        
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        June 25, 2024 9:48am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Citizenship no, but residency yes, because she was a refugee she is a citizen not a resident
        
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        June 25, 2024 10:48am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        G the Giant that is rubbish. Golriz is a New Zealand citizen. She has an inalienable right to enter and live in New Zealand.
        
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        June 25, 2024 11:35am
      - Ghost
        
        Ummm, g is saying she is a citizen and can’t be revoked, he’s also saying only a residency can be revoked, but as she is a citizen it can’t be revoked, so no idea why you are claiming it’s rubbish, he is right
        
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        June 25, 2024 11:40am
      - Paulus
        
        Surely to be an MP you must be a New Zealand Citizen.
        Not sure about the other place beginning with an A though !
        
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        June 25, 2024 2:04pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Read what I said below Benedict Yu.
      
      I said she can’t be sent home with citizenship, but she could if she was just a resident, the rules are different for each, and also refugees are automatically given citizenship not residency, I am not actually sure what you disagreeing with, I am suggesting what you said is correct
      
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      June 25, 2024 1:47pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        My problem is that you frequently post comments that are unclear or at least open to misinterpretation
        because of terrible grammar.
        
        You just did it again.
        
        Refugees are not automatically granted citizenship. They are granted residence. They can apply for citizenship only after being here for five years.
        
        https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/media-centre/common-topics/refugees-and-asylum-seekers#:~:text=Refugees%20and%20protected%20persons%20can,New%20Zealand%20residents%20or%20citizens.
        
        Or maybe I am misinterpreting your comment again?
        
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        June 25, 2024 5:10pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I believe Australia has revoked the Aus citizenship of some dual citizens who have been involved in heinous crimes.
      
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      June 25, 2024 9:20pm
- All_on_Red
  
  So Golriz got the perfect lawyer
  Both of them are liars
  
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  June 25, 2024 8:57am
  - OlderChas
    
    And don’t forget the ‘medical professional’ that diagnosed her with PTSD only after she was caught shop lifting. (Wonder if that was the first ‘medical professional’ that examined her?)
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:44am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  ““Constant and credible” rape and death threats over many years against an MP surely would have resulted in police investigations and at least some arrests and charges? Why are we just hearing about this now?”
  
  A very good question, BY. Death threats are a crime in NZ: https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM330785.html
  
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  June 25, 2024 8:59am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Indeed. IIRC some guy was convicted of making death threats against jacinda.
    
    “Constant and credible” death threats should have led to arrests and charges.
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:17am
  - Damocles11
    
    Nobody is asking why the Police haven’t done their job. This kind of thing does my head in. An MP is receiving ‘constant’ death threats. Surely someone receiving constant death threats is in serious danger and should have a Police presence outside their house at night. Surely the imperative is to track down the unhinged offender/s before they can make good on their constant threats. We need an Inquiry into this business, but nobody in government says a word, they just allow this perception of incompetence to fester.
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:59am
    - OlderChas
      
      Are there electronic copies around of these constant death threats? Or were they all only verbal? If the latter – who else heard them?
      
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      June 25, 2024 10:46am
      - Ghost
        
        Green MP Golriz Ghahraman has been allocated a security escort after receiving threats that were deemed by police to be serious enough to warrant an escort
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-gets-a-security-escort-after-increased-threat-level/PRZC6EAOYLSSR74RREEKZMPZTY/
        
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        June 25, 2024 10:52am
      - Miritu
        
        Was this ‘security escort’ present during any of the shoplifting activity? Were they complicit?
        
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        June 25, 2024 12:22pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Last night on the news they said she had the very same security as a PM, funny now no one wants to know her
      
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      June 25, 2024 10:49am
- Taieri
  
  It is quite likely that some mental health crisis caused Golriz to flip out and steal things.
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  And this very same “mental health crisis” didn’t stop her from sitting in the Parliament for 7 years and voting for the legislation that we all have to live with? I don’t buy it.
  
  And as for her war “trauma”, it’s just a load of bollocks.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:00am
- newview
  
  I agree BY. If GG is found to have been stealing for the sake of it she should do the time. That’s not going to happen. If she has been suffering from some type of medical affliction she needs to be made to be treated for it which imo doesn’t include working at some university in London. We know she will be treated differently from the rest of us. Just how differently we find out on Thursday.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:08am
  - igm
    
    Send her to Arohata, the “Girls” will broaden her outlook on life!
    Maybe she will renounce her Muslim faith.
    
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    June 25, 2024 1:40pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Maybe she will renounce her Muslim faith.
      
      This has been canvassed on Kiwiblog before, igm. A modicum of enquiry on your part would have revealed that not only has Golriz effectively renounced “her Muslim faith”, but so, too, did her parents many years before her.
      
      See here, two extracts from Golriz’s Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golriz_Ghahraman.
      
      “Her mother studied as a child psychologist but was ethically opposed to ‘psychologists having to pledge allegiance to a religion’ so refused to sit the Islamic examinations required for her to practice and never worked as such. Her father was Shia and her mother a Kurdish Sunni, though neither parent was religious.”
      
      and—
      
      “Ghahraman describes herself as ‘agnostic—some days I would say atheist’, noting that ‘It was important for me to get up and say I’m actually not religious at all, because the Middle East also has diversity within it’.”
      
      In this regard, it is entirely probable that Golriz has never regarded herself as a Muslim, in the same way that, for more than 50 years, I have considered myself an atheist — for the last twenty years, a secular humanist — despite being raised in the Presbyterian Church.
      
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      June 25, 2024 4:19pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        You were lucky you only received “Press Button” (as we used to call them) brainwashing as a child. Fairly mild I believe?
        
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        June 25, 2024 9:23pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      She is not going to prison.
      
      She is not a Muslim.
      
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      June 25, 2024 4:38pm
- Ghost
  
  We’ve heard about those claims before
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-gets-a-security-escort-after-increased-threat-level/PRZC6EAOYLSSR74RREEKZMPZTY/
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:20am
  - Damocles11
    
    Zero info as to whether the threats were written, verbal, or received via carrier pigeon. Zero subsequent info on Police efforts to track down offenders. When threats are ‘constant’ then I think you’d agree that that’s as serious as it gets. That’s why an urgent Inquiry is needed to restore public confidence in the Police.
    
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    June 25, 2024 12:24pm
    - Sir Henry Morgan
      
      The only ‘death threats’ I’ve seen were screen shots from online chats where what seemed to be members of the public joked about “hanging her up as a chandelier” (maybe she was wearing something particularly colorful that day?) and similar. Not kind, but clearly closer to humorous banter than serious threats by people intending to act.
      
      There may also been other threats but the ‘evidence’ I’ve seen so far has been ridiculous.
      
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      June 25, 2024 1:32pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The pending university fellowship really struck a sour taste with me. This is a person who pleads guilty to theft, yet is offered a fellowship at a prestigious University.
  
  This is not a person in crisis. She is a member of an elite few who can be on a plane and out of here to a better life
  
  TBH I hope that the judge has similar thoughts.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:23am
  - artemisia
    
    If she takes up the fellowship she will face a media storm in the UK and probably more widely. It’s a news story with more clicks than pantries full of click clacks.
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:38am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      You are misjudging the interest in New Zealand in other countries. If she moves to the UK I would be astounded if she attracts any media attention.
      
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      June 25, 2024 9:50am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Case in point Darren “Swiss Ball” Hughes who allegedly tried to bend a naked young male student over a swiss ball at a party and was helped out of the country by Jacinda and given a comfortable election reform job in the UK.
        
        He was probably Jacinda’s “friend in the UK” that talked her into locking down the country.
        He also went to her wedding and gave her a swiss ball because they think attempted sexual assault is funny.
        
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        June 25, 2024 1:03pm
      - Ghost
        
        How did low rank, new mp Jacinda only been an mp for 3 years help him leave the country?
        
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        June 25, 2024 2:27pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Ghost – she used to work for Tony Blair’s Government in London (also Helen Clark’s office in NZ before that) – her closeness to Hughes and the fact he got a job in London politics certainly look related – she has a lot of Left Wing political contacts that predate becoming an MP.
        She was also the person that was running interference for Hughes when he was hidden away between his alleged activities and him getting out of the country. The Police never pressed charges but he was politically untenable and a danger to NZ Labour so they had to send him elsewhere.
        
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        June 25, 2024 3:58pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Man that myth about her working for Tony Blair. 😂
        
        Jacinda was a junior public servant in the Cabinet Office. Which employs more than 1,000 staff.
        
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        June 25, 2024 4:50pm
      - Ghost
        
        I think you’re overestimating Jacinda’s ability to get anyone a job back then. This is the problem with Ardern, more myth than fact.
        
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        June 25, 2024 8:03pm
  - Swifty
    
    Golriz, through her lawyer, is pleading for special treatment.
    
    I’m not in the least surprised – I didn’t expect for a minute she would do the right thing and admit guilt and demand the same treatment as any other ordinary New Zealander.
    
    The only thing that surprises me is that a doco wasn’t quickly pulled together in recent months portraying her harrowing journey from childhood through to today and showing all the barriers and obstacles she has overcome as a ‘brown’ female refugee woman trying to make it in such a white supremacist, male-dominated, racist and unfair society.
    
    Of course, my view is that this woman has had the carpet rolled out for her here in NZ, accorded privilege after privilege on her way to a publicly-funded education many would give their right eye for and jetted into our Parliament at a very young age largely because of her background, not in spite of it – and yet she’s shat on all that with a compulsion to steal high value clothing from our shopkeepers, repeatedly.
    
    And why haven’t we heard from her that there are no other stealing episodes in her past and that these are her only ones? Is it because she knows there are others that still may come out?
    
    If this woman is discharged without conviction it will just be another example for me of one set of rules for some New Zealanders and different set for the rest.
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:42am
    - Steve Todd
      
      … and jetted into our Parliament at a very young age …
      
      Not quite, Swifty. Ghahraman (born 8 Jan 81) was 36 when she was first elected to Parliament on the Green Party list in September 2017.
      
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      June 25, 2024 12:33pm
      - Swifty
        
        Fair point Steve. I should have said early stage, not young age.
        
        I guess I mean no-one had heard of her and then suddenly she was an MP.
        
        No slugging her guts out for years standing in electorates for her. No siree. Straight in on the list from obscurity.
        
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        June 25, 2024 1:41pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        No slugging her guts out for years standing in electorates for her.
        
        Thanks, Swifty.
        
        I think you’re being a bit harsh on Golriz here. Since 1996, many candidates have seemingly effortlessly swanned into parliament on their party’s list. For example, ACT NZ candidates Andrew Hoggard and Todd Stephenson did exactly that last October.
        
        And, just like those two gentlemen, Golriz had a full working life in the real world before deciding to enter politics.
        
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        June 25, 2024 2:16pm
      - Swifty
        
        Please don’t try to spoil my fun Steve!
        
        I have little enough of it as it is!
        
        🤣🤣🤣
        
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        June 25, 2024 3:23pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Okay, Swifty. I’ll drop it now. I was just trying to keep it fair and reasonable.
        
        Even Golriz deserves a fair go, which, no doubt, she will receive in spades on Thursday.
        
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        June 25, 2024 3:32pm
  - Paulus
    
    As I understand it the sentencing Judge on Thursday is also a women, so she probably will have more sympathy, and understanding with poor immigrant GG.
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:36am
- Yvette
  
  Benedict, my understanding is that Golriz Ghahraman as a child holidayed with an aunt who lived in the vicinity of the war, which if anything may question the wisdom of her parents or the intensity of the action but in accounts I have seen this may relate perhaps to more imagined memories than memories themselves, as was the whole trauma of ‘escaping’ to New Zealand, after a ‘holiday’ to Pacific islands, seemingly reduced to Immigration’s concern in what fruit they may have with them on entry to New Zealand, rather than their actual entry. Gloriz’ wonderment in a new free environment seems to be recounted without too much fear reflecting what she had been through in terms of possible PTSD.
  
  The ‘ “constant and credible” rape and death threats’ appear not to be balanced by any reduction on Ghahraman’s part in the statements or actions which would seem to provoke such threats, although in NYPD SVU terms that may be further victimising a victim – but we did not hear that much about those threats before any charge of shoplifting.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:29am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “… appear not to be balanced by any reduction on Ghahraman’s part in the statements or actions which would seem to provoke such threats,…”
    
    Threats of violence against MPs are never justified regardless of how crazy are their views.
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:53am
    - Yvette
      
      I fully agree with you.
      
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      June 25, 2024 12:58pm
- Sacha
  
  The story of her life before coming to New Zealand has been well-examined in the past and historical inaccuracies noted.
  One always has suspicions about the stability/integrity of teenagers who seek public approval and endorsement, especially young women who are designed to draw the attention of potential mates so that they can fulfil their purpose to bear children and perpetuate the species.
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:24am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Luckily, given her advanced age and physical ailments, she’s unlikely to do any perpetuating, for which boon the rest of us should give thanks.
    
    Honestly, Golriz had everything, looks, an education, money, celebrity; and she’s thrown it all away. What an idiot!
    
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    June 25, 2024 7:15pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I think the prosecution lawyer needs to completely destroy this argument. I don’t think the prosecution are going in hard enough (or have been told not to).
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:52am
- peterwn
  
  Her ability to enter UK would only be in doubt if she is sentenced to prison (which is not on the cards).
  
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  June 25, 2024 12:32pm
- Steve Todd
  
  @Benedict Yu @ 8:36AM
  
  “The court heard Ghahraman had received an invitation to take up a short term residence fellowship at the University College London.
  
  “There’s a real and appreciable risk she may be barred from travel and barred from taking up this position..”
  
  This does not sit well with me, either. I would like to know a lot more about this “invitation”. Was it received prior to the start of Ms Ghahraman’s known offending in late-October last year? If not, when, and under what circumstances was it received? Did Ghahraman reach out to friends at University College to “help her out” in her time of need, i.e., did she solicit the invitation?
  
  Will the judge simply accept Ms Cresswell’s word that this invitation has been received, and is genuine, or will she seek proof that it is indeed kosher?
  
  I guess I’ll never know.
  
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  June 25, 2024 1:09pm
  - Paulus
    
    Sounds like a Greenie Fix !
    
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    June 25, 2024 2:07pm
softail 1450

She’s suffering from “complex PTSD” , a great excuse for Golriz’s offending according to her lawyer, wow I wonder if it’ll work with the IRD or the police ??
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June 25, 2024 8:41am
- Miritu
  
  “I wonder if it’ll work with the IRD or the police ?”
  It depends what side of politics you’re on
  
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  June 25, 2024 12:27pm
Maggie Pie

People are saying how ridiculous it was anyway that Kiwirail were looking to buy 2 even LARGER Ferries for the Cook Strait crossings.

Consider this….when the Aratere ran aground last week, there were only 11 Truck Drivers on board. Yet she is capable of carrying nearly 700 passengers, 250 cars, 30 trucks and 25 railwagons.

Just saying.
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June 25, 2024 8:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Perfect setup for sabotage.
  
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  June 25, 2024 8:56am
  - Taieri
    
    Perfect setup for sabotage
    ———–
    
    Sabotage by whom? And for what purpose?
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:01am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Unions. To embarrass the government .
      NZ is corrupt.
      
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      June 25, 2024 9:24am
      - Taieri
        
        Crap.
        
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        June 25, 2024 10:36am
      - greybeard
        
        I agree.
        Here is an email I sent to Hosking yesterday in response to what he said about possible reasons for the pylon debacle:
        
        ” You scoff at the mention of “sabotage”: Mike, you spent the last 6 years interviewing the perpetrators of this country’s economic sabotage.
        This destruction was done in full view and with the support of voters.
        Many of those voters still support the old regime and hate the current coalition, and would do anything to bring them down.
        So not unreasonable to consider sabotage of infrastructure. “
        
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        June 25, 2024 11:34am
- MCōs
  
  From its own propaganda
  “Each year, the Interislander makes 3,500 trips and carries 825,000 passengers, 52,000 rail wagons, 21,000 trucks and 250,000 cars.”
  So that’s an average of six trucks and 71 cars.
  Only one ferry transports rail wagons, but they keep the trucks off the road
  That ferry is now once again broken down
  https://www.interislander.co.nz/explore/the-history-of-the-interislander-ferry#:~:text=Each%20year%2C%20the%20Interislander%20makes,21%2C000%20trucks%20and%20250%2C000%20cars.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:08am
- peterwn
  
  It was a freight only sailing. It was probably carrying a full complement of rail wagons and there were probably trucks with no ‘tractors’ (ie the front end with engine, cab and fifth wheel) or no drivers on board.
  
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  June 25, 2024 12:37pm
  - wsk12345
    
    There were definitely truckies on board as they were filmed getting off and being taken to a hotel (or whatever) in a van after coming ashore.
    
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    June 25, 2024 12:54pm
    - peterwn
      
      Yes there were 8 truckies on board. But I think there would have been more trucks than that on board.
      
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      June 25, 2024 2:17pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Tractor unions usually don’t go on board, truck and trailers have to because they have no option, the ferry has a small tractor unit to empty and load the ship
    
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    June 25, 2024 1:51pm
Scott

What’s going on with this transgender thing?

“Collin Bailey, a 28-year-old male who identifies as female, was arrested in St. George, Utah, early Wednesday morning after he murdered both of his parents. Bailey, who uses she/her pronouns and goes by “Mia,” admitted to shooting Gail and Joseph Bailey and told police he “would do it again.”

After shooting his parents multiple times, Bailey admitted to going downstairs and terrorizing his brother and sister-in-law, who had locked themselves in a bedroom. Bailey told police he shot through the locked door, and didn’t care whether he had killed them or not. The 28-year-old then reportedly went back upstairs to make sure his parents were dead.

“Mia further stated that she did not have remorse for her actions and that she would not change what she had done. Mia stated ‘I would do it again. I hate them,’” court documents said.”

https://amgreatness.com/2024/06/20/trans-identified-shooter-who-killed-both-parents-in-utah-told-police-hed-do-it-again/
The thing is this appears to be a pattern of transitioning people becoming murderous. These transitioning murderers include:
– Nashville trans school shooter Audrey Hale. Audrey “Aiden” Hale, a 28-year-old female who identified as male, went on a shooting rampage at the Christian Covenant School on March 27, 2023, killing three children and three members of the school’s staff before being shot dead by responding police.
– Snochia Moseley, a 26 year old man who they identified as female, shot and killed four people at a pharmaceuticals distribution center in Aberdeen, Maryland.
– Alec McKinney, a then-17-year-old transgender student opened fire at at a Denver-area charter school, killing one student, and wounding eight others.
Click the article above for more examples. What’s going on with trans?
Is trans real or is it post modern foolishness?
The idea you are born the wrong sex, is that not mental illness? We can see the result of transitioning – serious mental illness, up to and including murderous psychotic behaviour.
Isn’t it time to jettison the whole concept of trans?
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June 25, 2024 8:53am
- kevn
  
  Scott… Might be meds cocktail?
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:34am
- Notsofast
  
  In every other circumstance there is a social obligation to operate within the constraints that best work for the people around you, for example, pedophilia.
  Trans is being treated as a special category and has bent society weirdly out of shape. Everyone suffers including the indulged person.
  The rainbow tick should be purged.
  Once same sex attraction was fully accepted as legitimate (in the west), the job was complete. Note no drugs or surgery or special pronouns required.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:38am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Evil Scott, just evil. Its being pushed in our socities by some very sick people.
  
  Martine Rothblatt is trans and is on a mission to live forever….. Go research him and start thinking about connections and drivers…..
  
  The fear of death opens many doors and a lot of them lead to very bad places and outcomes….. Starting with repudiating natural law and hence sexual being based on how you are born….
  
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  June 25, 2024 12:22pm
KH

A day the beach. Three short videos to show just how ridiculous war is.
https://www.southfront.press/american-atacms-missile-with-cluster-warhead-exploded-over-crowded-beach-in-sevastopol/
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June 25, 2024 8:57am
- All_on_Red
  
  You’re so funny with your dubious links
  Gullible much?
  Lol
  
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  June 25, 2024 11:07am
  - mawm
    
    I’m sure the 5 kids that died and the 150 others who were wounded as a result of American weapons, targeting and the coordinates set by Americans, guided by American surveillance and electronic snooping planes are happy to agree with you.
    
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    June 25, 2024 1:38pm
    - Grunter
      
      Careful mawm – you’ll get a full frontal AOR personal attack any minute now….! You are not allowed to disagree with his beloved Institute for the Study of War (ISW) propaganda. That’s one of those unprinted KB rules.
      
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      June 25, 2024 2:05pm
      - KH
        
        Yeah. Red can’t get it, then sets out to prove it.
        
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        June 25, 2024 2:25pm
      - mawm
        
        I see he’s been back to visit the comments – one downtick against each comment.
        
        AOR – from the Telegraph – probably one of the most anti-Russian newspapers. You’ll have to fork out yourself to read it.
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/23/shrapnel-from-missile-fired-by-ukraine-hits-tourists-crimea/
        
        From CNN
        https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/23/europe/at-leastfivedead-and-over-100-injured-in-ukrainian-strike-in-russian-occupied-crimea/index.html
        
        Cluster munitions on civilians! This is a terrorist attack on civilians by the US.
        
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        June 25, 2024 4:48pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      I guess the Ukranians got sick of sucking up apartment blocks being hit by missiles and rockets. Goes around, comes around I suspect is the Ukrainian attitude now
      
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      June 25, 2024 10:42pm
Sparrow

Be interested to hear comments from the likes of Master Mariner on this subject. When I was at sea(many many years ago) when a vessel reached 24 years they faced a very extensive survey. Many owners sold off their vessels prior to this time. I believe the Cook Strait ferries were all built in the 1990s so long in the tooth today. Is the 24 year survey still the big one? Why did all governments leave replacement of the vessels so late ?
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June 25, 2024 9:00am
- Taieri
  
  Class surveys are carried out at 5 yearly intervals. These are complemented by annual and intermediate surveys. There’re also some specific requirements applying to RO-Pax ships, but no enhanced survey programme such as that applying to bulk carriers or tankers. There’re also some additional survey requirements for ships of 15 years of age or older but I don’t remeber whether or to what extent they apply to Ro-Pax vessels – the regulations are just too extensive and complex to remember such details.
  
  As for your question, why did all the governments etc.
  Why should the governments concern themselves with this? Kiwi Rail is a state owned enterprise and is supposed, under the State Owned Enterprises Act 1986 to operate as a successful business on commercial basis. Any capital expenditure should therefore come from the funds generated from or based on the income derived from the operations.
  
  As for the age of the Interislander fleet…
  That’s another story, no point in going into it at any great detail. But the age of their vessels, while making good headlines, should not be used as an excuse for their inferior performance.
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:14am
- Master Mariner
  
  Further to what Taieri stated.
  Aratere is Classed with DNV , Looks like they have dropped the ball in regards to recent steering gear upgrades? The “upgrades” would have to of been thoroughly tested as per Class rules and approved.
  
  I Really do not know what happened but Im sure the VDR “Voyage Data recorder” will have all the facts ( A Ships “Black Box”). I would be leaning towards slow / unfamiliar response to such and event . In addition time to respond to the event.
  However I am absolutely appalled at the GM of Kiwirail and his statements on TV, Really Blind leading the blind unfortunately.
  
  https://issuu.com/dnvgl/docs/dnvgl_ferryandro-roupdate_2016
  
  Then we have Maritime NZ as Custodian of rules and regulations. They never had a ball to drop //. Vote of Zero confidence there I,am afraid.
  
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  June 25, 2024 11:50am
  - Sparrow
    
    Many thanks for yours and Taireri comments.
    Looked up the Board and Executive of Maritime NZ. Yes some have port experience but seems not to be in hands on operational roles. Could not see anybody with a actual maritime experience. I am reminded of a quote from 1984. “The heresy of the heresies is commonsense”. Unfortunately that is what is missing today.
    
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    June 25, 2024 1:49pm
Nukuleka

If Ghahraman is discharged without conviction I reckon we should all head out to our retail outlet of choice and perform copycat shoplifting. I’m sure all of us could concoct similar and seemingly appropriate lines of defense, real or imagined. If she and her legal counsel are prepared to make a mockery of the justice system – and a judge is prepared to go along with the charade- then let’s show it up for the farce it is.
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June 25, 2024 9:03am
- Keith White
  
  Plus, she claims Ardern-levels of fear for her personal safety so needed Ardern-levels of personal security. If true, where were all those taxpayer-funded security smurfs while she was repeatedly shoplifting? Holding her bags and admiring her color-coordination-instincts?
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:40am
  - Paulus
    
    Is it true that Ardern still has personal protection still ?
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:40am
    - peterwn
      
      As far as I know only the current Prime Minister has personal protection. However the Police Diplomatic Protection Squad would presumably provide temporary protection to the Opposition Leader, Ministers, former PM’s, etc if there was a particular threat or risk.
      
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      June 25, 2024 12:42pm
- mandk
  
  I am sure most of the population could create a good case for having PTSD, e.g. messy divorce, loss of a child, house burned down, being defrauded, etc. etc.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

Brian Easton ponders poverty and colonialism and concludes:

A colonisation explanation explains poverty for only a quarter of the population – a little more if it is extended to Pasifika. It is neither a comprehensive account of why poverty exists in Aotearoa New Zealand nor does it provide a diagnosis for its treatment.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2024/06/24/mainstreaming-maori/#more-29818
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June 25, 2024 9:03am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Neither does colonisation explain poverty for a quarter of the population.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:08am
  - Taieri
    
    Very few countries were never colonised, one way or another. Just look at the border changes (and population shifts) of the most European countries in the 20th century alone.
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:18am
- mandk
  
  If it were not for colonialisation, Māori would probably have the same GDP/head as in Samoa.
  
  GDP/head (in PPP) in Samoa is just over $5k, in NZ it is just over $42k.
  
  And GDP/head in Samoa is probably only as high as it is because of the influence of former colonists.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:46am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is more likely that they would have gdp per capita similar to PNG. About half that of Samoa.
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:11am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Maybe Tonga
      
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      June 25, 2024 7:21pm
BeaB

Jacinta Ardern got such a rapturous reception when she announced something, she’d keep announcing the same thing over and over again and RNZ would keep on gushing and fawning along with Jessica and then Tova.
Now a new Government makes a huge announcement using enormous sums of taxpayer money to help sick people and RNZ presents it as a bad news story. Even their vox pops have people swearing never to vote National again (as if they ever did) because it’s much better to have a Labour govt and no boost to Pharmac funding. Every single story has been negative, critical and carping.
When the media wonder why we turn them off, this is one of the many reasons.
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June 25, 2024 9:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  What got me going yesterday in the car… RNZ wailing about the lack of investment in infrastructure. 😳
  
  When Grant Robertson was borrowing $100 billion did they ever ask him why he was flushing it down the toilet rather than building infrastructure?
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:11am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Robertson is team woke quasi-communists. He therefore has immunity from scrutiny from his mates in team woke quasi-communist media.
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:57pm
- newview
  
  Absolutely agree. Listening to Burr poking a stick at the PM over the medical treatments was pathetic. Very small minded and always looking for a fault.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:14am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes.
  At least we got a laugh here when some idiot in Picton yelled out on Te news “ blame the Prime Minister” when the ferry ran aground on the weekend.
  The Tv people would have got more sense out of interviewing the dog the guy was towing.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:15am
  - Swifty
    
    What an idiot.
    
    Yet another example of blaming the doctor and not the disease.
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:43am
- kevn
  
  BeaB…. In case you missed it.
  The gonged one uttering…
  https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/ardern-laughs-off-as-ridiculous-the-awful-effect-on-school-children-of-being-online-on-screens-dur
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:36am
  - BeaB
    
    That’s a great article. So many people laughed along with Jacinda as she ran the country into the ground, always with a kindly smile or empathetic frown.
    What fools we mortals be
    
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    June 25, 2024 9:57am
- Quail
  
  Perhaps like former Governor General Reddy
  last night the media should just stick to Te Reo.
  That way at least most of us would be spared the media’s prejudicial views and rants.
  Having said that it is my belief that the Rugby Union last night had a duty to at least ensure a translation was made so ALL New Zealand Rugby (including those internationally based )fans could understand and possibly enjoy the selection of players for what is NZ premier sport.
  Last night’s performance by Ms Reddy was an absolute disgrace!
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:46am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Agree.
    I watched the “naming the All Blacks”
    presentation on live TV last evening also.
    The Maori speaking woman up the front started with the obligatory greetings in Te Reo.
    Expected.
    Then she went on to offer what was apparently a much broader, lengthy speech in Te Reo.
    Not expected.
    Didn’t understand a word of it.
    No translation.
    I bet the old codgers drinking gin round the boardroom table at Rugby HQ in Blighty didn’t understand it either. Nor any other rugby admins and players around the world who were interested in the naming of the team.
    Inclusivity – just a trendy slogan to the NZ Rugby Union.
    For them but not for me.
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Why did Robertson have to carry it on, and why did I hear NGA Puhi mentioned several times by both
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:58am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I thought she resigned when she didn’t get her way over the restructuring? Distinctly heard her say she would…
    
    inconceivable that she isn’t a woman of her word!
    
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    June 25, 2024 1:24pm
- Paulus
  
  Jessica saw the light at the end of last year and persuaded ANZ Bank to giver her a job !
  I bank elsewhere.
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:43am
Maggy Wassilieff

Might be time to investigate how the Labour Government bent over backwards to protect the actions of Oranga Tamariki in conducting reverse uplifts.

https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/06/25/criminal-prosecution-of-newsroom-abandoned-by-police-and-crown/

What a waste of Police and Crown Law Time
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June 25, 2024 9:12am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  from your linked article:
  “Newsroom appealed to the Court of Appeal, and a three-judge panel overturned in April 2024 Justice Cooke’s finding, saying his reliance on a so-called ‘jigsaw’ approach to members of the public being able to put together disparate facts to identify someone was flawed.”
  
  Apparently Cooke is the son of the Justice Cooke of “Treaty Principles” fame. Perhaps a case of the apple not falling far from the tree.
  
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  June 25, 2024 12:24pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    He certainly is son of
    
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    June 25, 2024 7:23pm
Maggie Pie

Not only is Leo Molloy the city’s top Restaurateur, he’s also a National Treasure 😀

“Darleen Tana has gone into the recruitement business.
She offered me a deal the other day, 15 Sri Lankans
for the price of five”

https://tiktok.com/@hqviaduct/video/7373929937020980498

LOL!!
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June 25, 2024 9:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Switzerland seems to take a dim view of employers who exploit workers.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350321891/billionaire-family-get-prison-switzerland-exploiting-domestic-workers
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:57am
- OlderChas
  
  That is hilarious!
  
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  June 25, 2024 11:08am
Swifty

We really have got our priorities wrong in NZ.

Billions of taxpayer dollars just pissed away over the last few years on frivolity, bullshit studies, thousands and thousands of extra civil servants of dubious value, bribes for the arts and cultural communities etc etc while we’ve got our old people living in tents:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/06/far-north-kaum-tua-struggling-in-grip-of-poverty.html

This is why I despise the left so much. At their worst they’re just a bloody menace with their inability to prioritise, their trying to do too much (and very poorly) and their plain, unvarnished waste.

When did you last hear a Labour MP, or Green for that matter, say publicly “No, we’re not going to do xyx because we can’t afford it and our money is better spent elsewhere….”

Never, that’s when.
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June 25, 2024 9:23am
- Damocles11
  
  The country is stuffed.
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:03am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I really don’t want to believe that, but the facts keep piling up in that direction. It’s going to take much stronger medicine than what National is bringing to the table I think. Note: I think National are doing a lot of good, but even so, the rot is so bad it is going to take massive engagement from the majority to boot the malignant minority forces from their seats of power.
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:03pm
Keith White

“When seconds count the police are only 40+ minutes away.” = The Coatesville Lesson.
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June 25, 2024 9:26am
- sirknz
  
  Here is the article,
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/coatesville-attempted-home-invasion-mother-barricades-kids-in-safe-space-during-desperate-wait-for-police/3HZ43DQ5CFHYLAUBCMOGPW65D4/
  
  Of course if they had managed to incapacitate the would be home invader, they would have been before the courts on Monday facing assault charges.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:57am
  - Keith White
    
    I think when I come back home, I need to paint some rainbow stripes at the foot of my driveway. Then in the event of crims turning up, I”ll only need to let the 911 dispatcher know Bad People are doing wheelies on Sacred Stripes of Surface Gayness. The Popo + AOS and a Major Incident Commander will turn up before you can say LBGQTwhatever.
    
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    June 25, 2024 11:47am
  - Ghost
    
    3am in the morning, I wonder where they came from
    
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    June 25, 2024 11:49am
- sirknz
  
  Here is lesson 2 of the same:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350322089/knife-wielding-man-allegedly-threatens-kill-locals-seaside-lower-hutt-suburb
  
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  June 25, 2024 3:55pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I’m sure Eastbournites are mortified …
    
    at being labelled a suburb of Lower Hutt (or Hutt City, as Council but no one else refer to themselves).
    
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    June 25, 2024 7:26pm
MCōs

I’m pleased to see the government has caved to pressure and come up with the money to fund the cancer drugs they promised whilst in opposition
They also had to fund a number of other drugs of a higher priority on the Pharmac list to get to the ones they’d nominated
Unfortunately that’s not the end of matter. Funding is now required to employ the additional specialized medical staff to consult with the patients and administer the medication.
In the meantime some patients have been able to source the huge sums of money required to be treated privately and others die and will continue to die . . . .
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018944125/cancer-expert-on-government-s-funding-boost-for-pharmac
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June 25, 2024 9:29am
- BeaB
  
  They waited six years for Labour to do something. Have you been counting how many died or impoverished themselves during those long years of neglect?
  You should also note that this package contains substantial extra funding for administering the new treatments.
  
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  June 25, 2024 9:52am
- Damocles11
  
  Labour had its priorities; phantom cycle bridges, phantom light rail for Auckland, failed and needless mergers, working groups, ‘delivering for Maori’, stuffing the public service full of paper shufflers…..cancer patients could go and get stuffed. Now the Left are braying from the rooftops for more cancer drugs and the specialists to administer them. The thing I notice whenever I see people like Hipkins and Verrall interviewed is just how angry and hate-filled they always seem to be.
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:09am
  - MCōs
    
    What Labour did/didn’t do is not the issue here.
    It’s about National making a reckless promise during the election campaign to fund some life saving/extending cancer drugs
    People voted for them on that issue alone and once the Nats got what they wanted they hung the poor bastards out to dry.
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:45am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Reckless promise ????
      It’s a promise that they have just fulfilled – the promise was NOT to include it in the recent budget, but this year – so the basic premise you use for your argument is wrong.
      
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      June 25, 2024 10:58am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Agreed, the left continues to say the government have scrapped this policy, even though they said from day one when the leftie attack started that a statement was imminent
        
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        June 25, 2024 11:07am
      - greybeard
        
        Correct.
        And we are still waiting for 100,000 houses and a billion trees.
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/10/what-labour-promised.html
        
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        June 25, 2024 1:33pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      That’s your issue, not the issue.
      
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      June 25, 2024 11:03am
    - Swifty
      
      I really haven’t got across this issue at all well, but if National have made campaign promises and then broken them we should excoriate them with the same vigour we’d if it was Labour or the Greens.
      
      Unless we do, they’ll all be at it and all the time and then we really will be in shit street.
      
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      June 25, 2024 11:04am
      - Ghost
        
        Did they break it or did the media just decide the promise was meant to be in the budget. I looked and couldn’t find a timeline for the cancer drugs, just four years of funding
        
        Here’s the announcement last year
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/election-2023-national-promises-to-pay-for-13-new-cancer-treatments-if-elected.html
        
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        June 25, 2024 11:11am
      - Swifty
        
        Thanks Ghost.
        
        Yeah, I’m just not sure about the timing either.
        
        Also, I do think Mutton made a good point last night – aren’t drug funding decisions up to Pharmac to make? Not politicians?
        
        Politicians should and do make decisions about total Pharmac budgets, but shouldn’t the decisions about which exact drugs to fund etc be left to Pharmac?
        
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        June 25, 2024 11:53am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        But they haven’t broken the promise, they said more work was required, and it looks like even more is req, but yesterday they enhanced the promise greatly
        
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        June 25, 2024 1:55pm
      - waikatosinger
        
        There is no need for us to look for ways in which National has fallen short. The media will find all sorts of ways in which National has fallen short for us – far more ways than exist in all actuality. I think our time is better spent in reminding ourselves of all the ways in which National exceeds expectations. It is important to have a balanced view of things after all.
        
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        June 25, 2024 3:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        Swifty, I was listening to a caller on the radio today that out of 32 countries we rank 32 for the medicines available here. I think the politicians have to become involved because it’s not acceptable that we are at the end of that list. Pharmac has let the country slide
        
        Btw, have we forgotten how politicians got involved in getting the Covid vaccines and treatments here?
        
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        June 25, 2024 3:20pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      How the hell is it reckless? They clearly stated after the budget there was more work to do, clearly there is because some of these drugs will take up to a year to procure. Bitter lefties for some reason seem to hate cancer drugs bizarrely, perhaps is why Hipkins and Verral are so angry when talking about this
      
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      June 25, 2024 11:05am
      - Paulus
        
        I see some women set up in the media have found are still complaining as it is not now, and not the drugs they want.
        How do the media find these women ?
        Do they have an objector’s register so they can call on whoever they want quickly ?
        
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        June 25, 2024 2:16pm
    - Paulus
      
      Did they not promise to do it this year but have been media condemned as it was not in the Budget ?
      
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      June 25, 2024 2:14pm
- Grunter
  
  Isn’t it ridiculous that our personal tragic health outcomes are determined by politicians?
  
  In Singapore, you get your own personal health account with health insurance, and you then get to choose between different providers (all certified) and treatments. Demand and supply prevails. Patient-centered decisions are made. And at an overall lower cost than NZ’s crappy health system.
  
  I say “No” to centralised control where ‘The Deciders’ make stupid decisions and waste billions $’s.
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:38am
  - Paulus
    
    Annette King once suggested a separate tax 3% entirely and solely for Health purposes, I believe ?
    
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    June 25, 2024 2:18pm
  - kowtow
    
    And they hang people there and do they still use the rattan ?
    
    Result ;Low crime rates.
    
    They inherited that from the evil white colonials and kept it up . Good on them.
    
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    June 25, 2024 5:08pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Remember Ayesha Verral blew $530 million on RAT tests not too long ago.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/493331/minister-defends-stockpile-of-60-million-rapid-antigen-tests
    
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    June 25, 2024 5:11pm
- Paulus
  
  That’s Life!
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:46am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Then maybe we should just have left it with the Labour model. No bloody drugs at all ffs
  
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  June 25, 2024 11:01am
  - newview
    
    GfromD. Completely agree. Ffs National have financed the drugs and all we hear mainly from the left is criticism. However unwise we might think it was to politicise pharmac National did and got votes because of it. We’re getting the frigin drugs and half the country is still moaning about it. What a small minded little country we are.
    
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    June 25, 2024 1:38pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yet Labour refuse these drugs and are bitterly opposed to these drugs, just crazy
      
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      June 25, 2024 1:57pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Luxon to the moaners (maybe after a few drinks): “FFS guys do you want the f*cken cancer drugs or not???”
      
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      June 25, 2024 10:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Been a few days, new post now.
This is Treason. Part 1.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/this-is-treason-part-1/?

Waititi and co committing Treason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7hkl6oPHNE
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June 25, 2024 10:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What is the Solution for Maori?
  
  https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/character_and_maori?fr=sOWY3MzYzMDEzOTQ
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:11am
Maggie Pie

FGS….do they really deserve to remain in society?

Nearly 100 prior convictions, out on parole at the time of latest offending.
Sentenced to 8 years in prison, but could be out any time soon due to ‘time served’.
Try telling me the justice system in this country isn’t completely f***d….

https://x.com/nzherald/status/1805322778679079172
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June 25, 2024 10:03am
- Benedict Yu
  
  This time I agree with you. 😀 He does not deserve to be in society ever again.
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:18am
  - MCōs
    
    On account of that tattoo alone
    I loathe Brian Tamaki, but at least his facial tattoos show some restraint
    
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    June 25, 2024 10:29am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Well you’re hardly going to get eyebrows tattooed on you neck, are you?
      
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      June 25, 2024 10:32am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Brian Tamaki does not have facial tattoos.
      
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      June 25, 2024 11:00am
      - Swifty
        
        I think he’s had his eyebrows done Don.
        
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        June 25, 2024 11:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, you’d be advised not to be his drinking buddy when he’s back in society.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110279350/four-years-jail-for-man-who-sexually-assaulted-drinking-buddy
    
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    June 25, 2024 11:05am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      YIP… confirms what I suspected the moment I saw his photo.
      Ghey as a tap-dancing Hyena.
      
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      June 25, 2024 11:31am
- NothingLeft
  
  We have a shortage of police. We seriously need to put the recidivists away for longer in low operating cost prisons – ideally in islands that we support (with low cost labour available). They are hopeless cases.
  
  Lock away recidivists for long stretches and I bet crime in NZ would plummet, and police would be able to devote attention to more of the stuff they don’t currently get to.
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:56am
MCōs

I read this morning that some people plead guilty to crimes they didn’t do because a community sentence is preferable to being detained on remand until their case comes up.
In March this year 30% of the prison population was made up of accused remand prisoners. The average time on remand is around 85 days
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June 25, 2024 10:24am
- mandk
  
  Most of the people on remand are bad bastards who have multiple previous convictions for violent offending.
  
  You don’t get remanded, even for GBH, if it is the first offence.
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:47am
- BananaLlama
  
  Remand and remand in custody are two different things iirc to be placed on remand in custody means that you have been a fuckwit and can’t be trusted.
  You can be granted remand with no conditions other than to turn up to your next court date and go about your life as normal.
  
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  June 25, 2024 10:52am
  - Swifty
    
    Yeah. You used to be either ‘remanded in custody’ or ‘remanded at large’.
    
    You don’t read or hear the latter nowadays.
    
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    June 25, 2024 11:07am
  - MCōs
    
    I’m sure you’re right, but effectively you could be doing time for a crime, which in this instance you didn’t do.
    Here’s some advice for you.
    According to Peter Williams, deceased, you shouldn’t plead guilty to murder. You just never know!
    
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    June 25, 2024 11:08am
    - BananaLlama
      
      It’s why justice should be swift and not just drag on, repeat offenders shouldn’t be on remand in custody they should just be serving longer prison sentences imo.
      
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      June 25, 2024 11:15am
- Keith White
  
  “… some people plead guilty to crimes they didn’t do because a community sentence is preferable to being detained on remand until their case comes up.”
  
  They would say that, wouldn’t they. It takes a lot of sustained criminal effort to end up on remand…
  
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  June 25, 2024 12:09pm
- cmm
  
  Where did you read that? It might be true very occasionally but, in general, it is likely not true.
  
  Some while ago I did a trawl through imprisonment statistics. The vast majority of remand prisoners were found guilty and their remand time counted as time served.
  
  I agree completely that the wheels of justice should turn much faster so that people spend much less time on remand, but you would find that it doesn’t materially change the prison muster. Instead of serving time on remand, the vast majority would end up serving time after sentencing instead.
  
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  June 25, 2024 3:58pm
Maggie Pie

YAAYYYY…… JULIAN ASSANGE TO GO FREE!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/julian-assange-reached-plea-deal-us-allowing-go-free-rcna158695
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June 25, 2024 11:19am
- Ghost
  
  Hopefully he doesn’t fly home via the USA or on an American airline.
  
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  June 25, 2024 12:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    He’ll be home with his wife and kids in Oz tonite.
    
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    June 25, 2024 1:04pm
kevn

Robert is the best…
https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/who-does-nz-call-when-its-ferries-planes-and-electricity-supplies-are-broken-lawyers-and-accountan?
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June 25, 2024 11:34am
- Master Mariner
  
  Bang on Kevn, Have a look at Board of Directors for Maritime NZ as well.
  Absolute disgrace and what will go wrong //
  
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  June 25, 2024 11:59am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    As far as I can see not one Master Mariner or Ch Eng.
    
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    June 25, 2024 1:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But even when the big bosses have a relevant qualification… (CEO of Transpower won the senior Engineering Prize in her final year at Auckland Uni), it’s not of much use if the folks on the tools are clueless.
  
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  June 25, 2024 12:28pm
kevn

MM… Any of them been in overalls? Hands-on?
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June 25, 2024 12:23pm
surfing

More shite around three strikes in the NZ Herald…
https://shorturl.at/Wc9uZ

“Three Strikes 1.0 was dragged through the courts to the point where the mandatory sentences were deemed so unfair they were overturned”

Here is one of the unfair sentences….

the Court of Appeal was considering the case of Shane Harrison and Justin Vance Turner – both serving life sentences for strike-two murder. They were two of five strike-two murderers at the time, the judges noted, all of whom were beneficiaries of the “manifestly unjust” discretion

A lifetime sentence for a brutal murder was manifestly unjust? Details of Justin Turner’s crimes….

“Turner pleaded guilty to the murder of Maqbool Hussain in Balmoral, Auckland, in March 2014. He punched Hussain and described stomping on his head until it was bouncing off the pavement.

Turner’s first strike warning had been for wounding a woman in 2011, causing her traumatic brain injuries. He was out of jail from that sentence for about two months before murdering Hussain.
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June 25, 2024 12:31pm
Chuck Bird

The Farcical and Bizarre by Owen Jennings

https://www.nzcpr.com/the-farcical-and-bizarre/#more-39587
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June 25, 2024 1:19pm
- newview
  
  Well highlighted Chuck. The biggest con the world has ever seen.
  
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  June 25, 2024 1:52pm
- Grunter
  
  It truly is beyond belief how so many believe this “farcical and bizarre” scam.
  
  I think the only way we get rid of all this “dumb siht” is for a decent implosion of some sort. Incremental tweaking just means we live with it for longer.
  
  The build-up of debt ($300 trillion+) that this nuttiness is creating will soon collapse. Maybe then we get to start again with adults in charge?
  
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  June 25, 2024 2:15pm
ecco

Tried to go and dine at one of the Auckland airport hotels in the weekend. Tried to go into the D/E carpark nearby to the hotel. Got there to find that people were trying to back out from the entry barrier. The carpark was full but NO signage or anything.
So had to drive off back into town.

Just wondering this is all new parking. Is this an example of Auckland airport ceo, Carrie Hurujanignui’s work and competence? The whole Uber pick up area, some 6-7 minute walk, not under cover, where they have officers stationed all day long is another example of the cluster that is Auckland airport.

Just wondering was the appointment of Carrie Hurihanginui an example of a ‘diversity’ hire? How and why was she hired? Just asking.
If the logistics of finding a park or trying to get to the rideshare pick up are an example of her work I just wonder did she get hired based on her competency or some other factors? I’d say Freg Foran dodged a bullet with her going.

Anyway have decided I’ve seen enough and even though Auckland airport is a monopoly I’m not sticking around to find out how the build of that aia shopping centre under Huruhanginui goes and am selling up my AIA shares and putting them into something else🤪.
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June 25, 2024 1:35pm
Maggie Pie

Holy Mother!!
Does anyone know how to get the smell of Durian off my fingers?
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June 25, 2024 1:54pm
- alwyn.a
  
  No need for any special treatment. It will wear off naturally if you just give it a bit of time.
  After about six weeks people won’t notice it unless they are within a couple of metres of you.
  In the meantime just flaunt it as showing that you appreciate the finer things of life.
  
  As an alternative, amputation would work I suppose.
  
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  June 25, 2024 2:51pm
- cmm
  
  Don’t get it on your hands in the first place.
  
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  June 25, 2024 3:30pm
imalwaysright

Just got an email from Wayne Guppy saying that the Drag Storytots at Upper Hutt library is not going ahead.
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June 25, 2024 2:03pm
- mandk
  
  Excellent.
  
  Kiddies in Upper Hutt and elsewhere need to be protected from the insidious indoctrination campaigning by perverts, degenerates and empty-headed liberals.
  
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  June 25, 2024 2:49pm
  - kowtow
    
    …….weird how it’s female librarians pushing this stuff .
    
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    June 25, 2024 5:29pm
    - mandk
      
      They are the empty-headed liberals.
      
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      June 25, 2024 6:38pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is still being advertised. For this Thursday.
  
  https://www.upperhuttlibrary.co.nz/Events/Drag-StoryTots
  
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  June 25, 2024 5:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    Cancelled, because they couldn’t guarantee the safety of those attending it
    
    https://www.facebook.com/UHLibrary
    
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    June 25, 2024 5:09pm
cmm

It is now official.

Police have abdicated their role in society and we are now a lawless land.

” police had told him that they could not make an arrest for theft if it was under $100″

Where is the $100 threshold mentioned in the Crimes Act? Theft is theft whether it is $5 or $5000.

But, hey if you’re going to let MPs off for multiple, multi-thousand $ crimes then I suppose it is only fair to also let off the little man doing $100.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350322208/higher-police-powers-not-patrols-will-deter-criminals-wellington-shopkeeper
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June 25, 2024 3:43pm
- kowtow
  
  Cuppla points there .
  
  Why haven’t $tiffed asked the Cops to justify the b/s about not being able to arrest . The Cops are derelict as are the media in their respective duties .
  
  And ;
  
  ‘Over the next two years, 63 additional staff in new community beat teams will also be deployed in Auckland and 10 in Christchurch.’
  
  63 cops over two years . Righto that’s 31 and a half per year . Divide by what , 3 shifts . that’s 10 extra Plods and Plodettes per shift . Then they have leave factored in, court commitments , sick , maternity etc , say another 20 % off the 10 extra , brings us down to only 8 extra per shift , spread over what area .
  
  Suddenly that 63 doesn’t look so flash , innit.
  
  ( Happy to be corrected)
  
  And even worse for the woohoo , ten for Chch.
  
  Public being played , again, and te media not asking the most basic of questions.
  
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  June 25, 2024 5:42pm
Maggie Pie

OH WOW!! How bad is this 🙁

Chynah bullys Stuff…. The PRC Embassy has issued a threat to Stuff, telling them to CEASE INVESTGATING their interference activities in NZ.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350322040/chinas-embassy-hits-back-foreign-interference-claims-warns-journalists-not

Wonder what Winston’s reaction will be to this??
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June 25, 2024 4:03pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Makes a change from our own ex prime minister doing it.
  
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  June 25, 2024 4:38pm
- Ghost
  
  In response, Foreign Minister Winston Peters avoided pushing against China’s commentary but appeared to endorse the documentary. While Labour foreign affairs spokesperson David Parker said it was important to investigate undue influence “in a free country”.
  
  Article
  
  Come on labour, you didn’t even advise mp’s that they’d been Hacked
  
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  June 25, 2024 5:15pm
  - Bevan
    
    Labour really are laughable, do nothing in power but seem to find something resembling a backbone from the safety of opposition.
    
    We all know they would fold again if ever elected back to power (lets hope that never happens again!).
    
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    June 25, 2024 5:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You know it will happen. The future Labour voters are in pre-school now, being taught by the marxist/commies.
      
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      June 25, 2024 6:31pm
Maggie Pie

Wathing 1EWEZ a momrent ago and Im sure that Maiki Sherman has PTSD.
Which so called ‘polical commentator’ did she go to for comment on the latest polls?
That x green quater-wit…. Gareth Hughes!

SHEESH 😀
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June 25, 2024 6:32pm
- newview
  
  I saw it with my own eyes Maggie. Am completely bewildered as to why Sherman would consider this green nobody relevant to anyone Especially since National have improved their ratings. Does she think no one notices this BS.
  
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  June 25, 2024 7:53pm
NZer In Exile

Aaand, continuing on the scrap from yesterday re climate alarmist bollocks and related data shenanigans:

Andrew Worth posted the following:
“Yep, and after another 25 years the hockey stick stands.

https://pastglobalchanges.org/publications/pages-magazines/pages-magazine/13245

(In case you missed it earlier)”

So Mann created the infamous Hokey Schtick using a tiny cherry picked sample of tree rings from one type of pine in one location in the world. This was savagely torn apart by numerous scientists of high scientific standing. For starters tree rings are NOT reliable thermometers!

So the bollocks hokey schtick created using faulty methodology is miraculously corroborated by, wait for it, team alarmism? Hmmm. Could this also be BS? Why yes. What is happening with Worth’s “corrobaration graph” is team alarmism has grafted “adjusted” data sets from sparse and spotty ground thermometer stations onto cherry picked proxy data. The grafting like this is statistical shonkery for starters and has been widely covered by real scientists using the scientific method (as opposed to alarmist propaganda and group-think).

PS Worth; you state you are “not an alarmist”. If you believe net-zero is necessary and you believe humans are dangerously heating the planet with Co2 emissions, then you ARE an alarmist. Yes you can play silly-bugger semantics with the word “alarmist” too.
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June 25, 2024 9:00pm
NZer In Exile

Extinction Rebellion cult members storm PGA golf. Instantly pounced on by cops.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/06/23/extinction-rebellion-dweebs-get-shutdown-quickly-on-the-pga-tour/

Noice!

If only the NZ police could pounce instantly on feral granny punchers and the like.
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June 25, 2024 9:49pm
Colville

hahahahah

Afghanistan “fake” an injury to get a time delay, win the game and put Aussie out of the World Cup.

GOOD FUCKING JOB …!!!

Remember the Aussies are the guys who thought sandpaper was a fair tactic to win test matches.

and no…I cant name a bigger POS than David Warner in any sport.

PS: My missus said…maybe I should say what I really feel?? 🙂
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June 25, 2024 10:30pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “I cant name a bigger POS than David Warner in any sport.”
  
  Oh, there is a large selection to choose from in the game called AFL. Don’t mention that to the southern states Aussies though or you’ll be run out of town.
  
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