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Chuck Bird

Depressed and anxious
I hear that young adults are depressed and anxious. I think that climate change hysteria promoted by most political parties including National have something to do with this. What say you all?
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June 21, 2024 8:01am
- Simon
  
  They are depressed because they cant afford houses because of bat shit neolib open door immigration policies.
  
  Immigration has not solved anything. Waiting lists, govt spending as a % of GDP, boost in the economy have not improved. Its still the same garbage but more people and expense.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:06am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t recall open immigration being a tenet of neoliberalism. Rational housing policies, yes.
    
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    June 21, 2024 8:24am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Big immigration is very much a feature of neoliberalism. DPF for example is on record as being “a big fan of immigration”.
      
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      June 21, 2024 8:28am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Correct. Mexican border? European border?
        Immigration is a keystone of neoliberalism.
        
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        June 21, 2024 8:40am
      - john1234
        
        Immigration is fantastic of you limit it to the right kind of immigrants.
        You want immigrants who bring the productivity, skills and investment that the country desperately needs.
        And they need to be the kind that holds compatible social values or is willing to acquire them.
        
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        June 21, 2024 8:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        john1234 has it right. Immigrants who want to work, who want to get ahead with a family and home. When I say work I mean those hard hours – even if it is 3 jobs.
        
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        June 21, 2024 9:27am
      - rouppe
        
        imalwaysright,
        
        neoliberalism is usually attributed to right wing governments.
        
        The flows of people through the european borders were facilitated by the left wing governments of Merkel and Macron, and the mexican border by Obama. Trump tried to crack down on it to howls of outrage, and it is worst now under Biden.
        
        Where you think those are a neoliberal, aka right wing, problem I don’t know
        
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        June 21, 2024 9:29am
      - David Garrett
        
        And they need to be the kind that holds compatible social values or is willing to acquire them
        
        Quite so…and in my view that excludes most if not all Muslims. Their “religion” is in reality a complete code for living, and that code is in countless ways totally contrary to our way of life.
        
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        June 21, 2024 10:13am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Rouppe,
        You are correct. Itchy trigger finger! I was thinking Progressive for some reason.
        
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        June 21, 2024 10:32am
    - Simon
      
      “I don’t recall open immigration being a tenet of neoliberalism.”
      
      Both Willis & Luxon said pre election that mass immigration would help take care of inflation. This strange quantitative tightening involving the transfer of people like numbers on a spread sheet. Without regard to anything else.
      
      Anway Labo out did National by the mass granting of pr to all comers.
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:09am
      - gravedodger
        
        @ roupe, that is O’Biden, the fake Merican is still pulling the strings
        
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        June 21, 2024 9:55am
    - Cassandra
      
      Freedom of movement is a liberal approach but then so is the responsibility of a government to protect its people. DPF has never argued for an open border but, since we’re all immigrants or descendants in NZ, appropriate immigration is both desirable and necessary. Try running a hospital here without Filipinos. But a whole lot of extra taxi drivers is not exactly a plus.
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:21am
    - jkt
      
      Benedict:
      
      Care to elaborate?
      
      Surely you will agree that our immigration policies try to address the consequences of neoliberalism.
      
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      June 21, 2024 11:50am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      I think Simon’s definition of a neoliberal is anyone who does not believe we are living in the 1960s.
      
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      June 21, 2024 1:33pm
    - wilderbeast
      
      It is actually. I’d probably regard myself as more on the side of neoliberalism than not, but sometimes you have to admit it’s encouraged a race to the bottom in certain areas. I do perhaps think if we placed a value on our country like the Swiss have we might have a more functional society and a richer treasury.
      
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      June 21, 2024 8:00pm
  - Dougal10
    
    They can afford houses , but just not the ones the poor petals want.
    
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    June 21, 2024 8:25am
    - Simon
      
      You mean small houses. Small houses = neolib for young NZs to accept lower living standards. Or neolib for young NZs to stop having families.
      
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      June 21, 2024 8:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nothing wrong with a small house. Work your way up. Hear that? The key word, WORK! I did it and I see no reason why others can’t.
        Move into the house with a mattress on the floor. Small bar fridge for the food. No 63 inch TV, no double door fridge, no washing machine.
        There is no reason the moaners can’t get off their lazy arses and do this.
        
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        June 21, 2024 9:31am
      - Ian Boag
        
        C’mon Steve – do a few sums.
        
        You might get a small rundown house in a city for as little as $500k. So all you need to get into it and sleep on the floor etc is $100k deposit. In the absence of a MD bank you need to save this out of the childless couple’s $120k or so pretax income while paying $600/week to rent a dump.
        
        If you manage this and get into the place, servicing $400k of debt will cost the thick end of $550/week plus rates and insurance at about another $150 or so. We won’t go near maintenance …..
        
        And if you get into a 5% low-deposit loan that will add about $150/week to the debt servicing.
        
        Even petals who are willing to suck it all this up find it pretty grim.
        
        In your day, busting your arse could get you into a house. Family benefit capitalisation helped too but I suppose you never took that. If you had two kids it was good for something like 15% of typical house value. House then was about 3-4 year’s gross income now it’s 6+. Interest rates were about 6-7% give or take a bit. And – as you have explained several times – it was hard then and heroic sacrifices were required to buy a 3-year’s income house. It’s a whole lot worse now … and shows no signs of “improvement” – which would involve a downward shift in house prices. Not a nice thought for house owners.
        
        And FWIW TradeMe will get you a newish bed *<$500)+ a 50" TV ($350 or so) + a 2-door fridge ($500-700) for about $2k all up. Washing machine with 6-month warranty $250 from second-hand appliance shop. Reasonable dining table/chairs and lounge suite for another $1k. All figures give or take a bit. It's not a lot in the scheme of things and could probably be snuck into the house loan by a smart broker. Just don't put it on tick ... Numbers .... 🙁
        
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        June 21, 2024 10:04am
      - wsk12345
        
        @ian – the biggest problem there is the rent. Do what my nephews do and share a house. $140 for room for the singles and $200 for couples in their flat – which is d/g, 4 heat pumps and a double garage in Ilam. No need to spend $600 on rent (outside auckland) while saving a deposit.
        
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        June 21, 2024 11:40am
  - wsk12345
    
    They have been indoctrinated that they will never own a house. Sat down and did the numbers with my nephews who are just out of uni and they realised that outside of auckland and wellington it’s absolutely achieveable.
    
    Problem is they all grew up in lovely houses so have insane expectations of what their first home should look like. Even renting they have places with 4 heat pumps, HRV system and double glazing. We had a non working open fire and ice on the inside of the window.
    
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    June 21, 2024 8:26am
    - alex Masterley
      
      That accurtately describes the place I grew up in as well!
      JK Baxter said “Dunedin Nights are cold…”
      How true that was.
      
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      June 21, 2024 8:41am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Adding a heat pump + HRV + double glazing is about $20k give or take a bit. If you can get it on the mortgage (this is capex not maintenance) it is pretty trivial in the scheme of things.
      
      None of these things were invented when you had an old cold uninsulated drafty house with high ceilings. If you had been able to add them for 5% of the house value you would have done so.
      
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      June 21, 2024 10:15am
      - wsk12345
        
        Are you kidding? We got multiple quotes, did our own installation and still only did just over 1/3 of the windows for $14k – 5 years ago. To finish the d/g we are up for another $30 k if we install ourselves. This is the cheapest quote which I got last year. New heat pump $4 k installed, not sure on an HRV – but if you are not doing it yourself that would be at least $50 k. You’re out of touch.
        
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        June 21, 2024 11:35am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Apologies. My DG numbers were all wet.
        
        HRV is just a bit of flexiduct in the ceiling with a fan to shift the air and a controller for the fan. Not all that complicated …
        
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        June 21, 2024 12:04pm
      - jkt
        
        I think you better check your numbers.
        
        I think many houses need a do-over … a bit of lipstick will not make them suitable for healthy living.
        
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        June 21, 2024 2:23pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Mass immigration seems to be a key plank of the Lefts goal of destroying Western countries, all in the name of diversity. And it’s working.
    
    Unfortunately all major political parties seem to be addicted to mass immigration to juice GDP figures and make the economy appear buoyant (‘GDP per capita’ tells the real story), keep wages and salaries low, and keep house prices high (also keep rents high). As was pointed out, our infrastructure literally cannot cope with the influx. Having enough hospitals to cater for the burgeoning, aging, population is going to be a massive headache. Currently we are falling well short.
    
    Neoliberalism gets thrown about too often, it is just a term used by the Left to demonise the Right. Less regulation and less government = Neoliberalism, and I much prefer that to the alternative.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:49am
    - stiff cheese
      
      Excellent comment Damo!
      
      Keeping house prices up is one reason for their policy. Another I would add: raising property values on Queen Street and Lambton Quay. Very important to the ‘ruling business class elite’ whose own neighborhoods are insulated from the consequences of their policies.
      
      So, as our own young couples are faced with living in crowded-together units — impossible to contemplate raising a family in — the global elite have another excuse to demand more ‘mass immigration’: “We’re not replacing ourselves; we have to import more people”.
      
      It’s like a vicious circle.
      
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      June 21, 2024 1:45pm
  - Country Air Ian.
    
    Simon, think you might look at building regulation and Land zoning as the major causes of house price increases. Before launching in to an anti immigrant rant(remember all our families started off as immigrants)
    
    Bureaucracy at its worst.
    
    In my youth my parents and 3 children grew up in a 900 square ft house with an outside single garage and a shed for the laundry and storage.
    A coal cooking range and a lounge fire.
    We thought it a miracle when Mum & Dad bought a fridge to replace the “food safe”” on the side of the house.
    
    We thought we were normal.
    
    Today, it seems that its expected that a first home is a 2000ft house with a double garage, double glazed windows, lashings of insulation, fibre to the door etc etc etc
    
    I do wish the government would get out of our lives.
    
    If I want to build a basic wooden house without double glazing, insulation whatever. That should be my decision not some cardie wearing paper pushers.
    
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    June 21, 2024 6:15pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Immigration to fill specialist skill shortages in the short term makes sense. Otherwise, no no no.
    
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    June 22, 2024 8:00pm
- youcanthandlethetruth
  
  Let kids be kids, not miniature adults with world-sized worries! Some politicians seem to forget that childhood is meant for carefree play, not anxiety-inducing global crises. It’s like handing a toddler the world’s problems and saying, “Here, you deal with it!” Then we scratch our heads, wondering why the poor tykes are stressed out. How about we let them enjoy their mud pies and magical adventures before thrusting them into the real world? Give them a chance to grow into well-adjusted adults who can handle life’s curveballs with a smile, not a panic attack. After all, there’s plenty of time for them to worry about the world’s problems when they’re old enough to vote!
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:07am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    I agree with this with one addition:
    
    Allow your child to experience losing and failing.
    
    Allow them to understand its a normal experience that should be seen as an opportunity to improve, grow skills and then win at the next opportunity.
    
    Not everyone wins all the time, and giving kids winners medals for participation is wrong in my view.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:55am
- mandk
  
  It’s because the media catastrophise everything nowadays: climate change; COVID; threat of nuclear war; threat of asteroid strike, etc.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:14am
  - I remember when
    
    If not Covid then the next global epidemic!
    Wear a mask, helmet, elbow and knee pads, don’t enter large buildings with too many people, read the latest WHO information.
    Where to stop?
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:26am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Where to stop? The stop button on the TV and wireless (steam radio)
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:35am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Precisely. The off button works fine.
        
        All those clowns sticking Teddies in their windows, doing sad tilty face frowns as they lie us us about “being kind” can F*%k right off – its tiring that government keeps importing US and UK Nudge Unit tactics to try and manipulate us.
        
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        June 21, 2024 2:00pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    This is so true.
    
    I knew about Nuclear war as a kid but it wasnt till the CND took off in the UK and that sentiment among Lefties spread to NZ that it was pushed as a real threat.
    
    But by then I was old enough not to be worried by the fact I lived in a world capable of destroying itself 100’s of times over if a simple mistake was made or a lunatic pushed a button
    
    I knew the fail safes were good and that most people were not the type to push the button. Islamo-facist regimes like Iran were not a thing till the late 70s
    
    Hysterical ‘the sky is falling’, ‘repent the end is nigh’ memes are always about control and manipulation…
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:59am
    - gravedodger
      
      “Hysterical ‘the sky is falling’, ‘repent the end is nigh’” were the preserve of touched persons parading with sandwich boards or standing on soap boxes not the entire domain of MSM outlets as things currently stand, so were in context for all with a mid comprehension skill and above, ignored entirely by those too busy scrabbling for their survival.
      Welfare has allowed those previously preoccupied now freed to be indoctrinated with a device, hence the fear manipulation.
      
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      June 21, 2024 12:45pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Indeed, they used to be nutters.
        
        Now they are presented as serious “experts” to convince us that the sky will fall unless we tax carbon, destroy our productive sectors, pretend mentally ill people can change gender, abandon constitutional freedoms and allow government’s to punish us for wrongthink.
        
        Hmmm. No!
        
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        June 21, 2024 2:03pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        GD. The Russians are coming was a hysteria in NZ in the 1870s to 1880s…. Why? It wasnt real. But the ruling powers leveraged it to build up militarily
        
        So manias and the end is nigh hysteria is not just the province of the lone fanatic with a billboard strapped to his shoulders shouting at clouds…
        
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        June 21, 2024 3:02pm
- kowtow
  
  I think the relentless negativity of te legacy media paahti around just about everything has led , at least partly , to a collapse in optimism across the west .
  
  We are a culture that’s under constant attack and has lost confidence in itself .
  
  Narcotics and social media addiction doesn’t help ,bigly.But those are things te media also constantly promote.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:15am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yes, if they were in fact an enemy fifth column with the express task of destroying our civilisation, what would they do differently?
    
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    June 21, 2024 2:03pm
- artemisia
  
  How about ‘white privilege’, entitlement based on race and other perceived discrimination, awards for participation, helicopter parents, not many concrete pills, burgeoning diagnoses of various fragilities to ‘explain’. Unemployment with pay – may be related to the above – and it is usually a downward spiral unless stopped.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:24am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You would need to look at the evidence. I doubt that many young people pre university give any thought to “white privilege”. Neither would young white people who go off to train as builders, electricians and plumbers. Because guess what? They are treated exactly the same as their fellow Maori, Samoan, and all other trainees.
    
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    June 21, 2024 8:32am
    - artemisia
      
      Thoughtful young plumber / gasfitter in my family is open about white privilege guilt. Data point of 1. (Also part Maori.)
      
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      June 21, 2024 8:42am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Ben, your hypothesis is wrong! A few years ago, my then 11yr old daughter was being told of her white privilege by a classmate. He was a new immigrant, in NZ for less than a year, of Indian descent.
      
      The past 7 years we have had immense ratcheting up of racial divisiveness in NZ. It has become OK to attack white people with baseless accusations around the colonialism myth. This is all part of the culture war we find ourselves in.
      
      Today in the Herald there are two articles claiming race based solutions in Healthcare for problems that have nothing to do with race. One about a Māori cancer patient who had the unfortunate experience of being asked to move out of her room so they could rearrange and house more patients. In her mind this was all due to her being a young Māori woman with a facial tattoo. The story wouldn’t even get told if it was a white or Chinese person being asked to move rooms. The other story is about there needing to be enough Māori and Pacifica nurses so they can look after their own people in hospital. So that means we need to stop sourcing nurses from overseas, particularly Filipinos. They aren’t able to provide healthcare for Whites, Chinese, Indians, Pacific Islanders or Māori. Utter tosh!
      
      The culture wars are a real phenomena. They are being shoved down our throats every day. When we push back against it the left eg Kate Hannah, the disinformation project, say this is an example of the far right American influence in NZ. But it is these people, promoting racial division, attacks on heterosexuality etc that are the aggressors in this war.
      
      For those of us that want to live harmoniously and prosperously together we must call out the overt, aggressive racism that has risen in NZ every time we see it.
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:35am
    - cmm
      
      BY, on this you are entirely wrong.
      
      Preschoolers are having that white priviledge crap pushed down their throats these days.
      
      In high school it will be a major factor determining university entrance requirements etc.
      
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      June 21, 2024 1:06pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I keep hearing that, but how strong is the evidence base?
  
  OTOH there is an extensive literature on the relationship between social media use and depression in young people.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:27am
  - artemisia
    
    Social media is a main outward and visible sign at least in western culture. What lies beneath? Is there a root cause?
    
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    June 21, 2024 8:36am
  - I remember when
    
    Danish, Irish, German and English ancestors – when will the guilt ever leave?
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:31am
    - imalwaysright
      
      I remember,
      Ironically, many maori would share your lineage.
      That’s how ridiculous the white privilege accusation is.
      
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      June 21, 2024 10:44am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Dont forget the Scots. My redoubtable great granny came from Angus.
      
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      June 21, 2024 10:48am
      - pdm
        
        My father from The Isle Of Lewis, Outer Hebrides.
        
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        June 21, 2024 11:14am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Social media is in, and of itself, not the problem
    
    Its just a channel.
    
    Its content and the how the providers of that content seek to keep your attention: to sell ads and harvest your personal data so that can be sold as well, which is part of the issue
    
    Social medias key issue is how quickly it can spread bad messaging about body image, politics etc
    
    But fads, crazes, manias have always occurred – at least in the time periods under reliable historical record
    
    E.g. The Childerns Crusade, e.g. Tulip mania e.g. ‘The end is nigh’ millennialism of the period leading up to 1000 years since Christs Crucifixion, etc etc etc
    
    I would content the mind virus that has swept our education systems in the West is actually the problem Ben.
    
    The constant ‘your special’, everyone is a winner, everyone gets a medal theme pushing by our educators has created large numbers of warped personalities with high narcistic characteristics.
    
    This types are very suspectable to memes spread by social media channels – easily manipulated and led to negative thoughts and negative actions
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:10am
- sirknz
  
  One of the msm sites had a story that it definitely wasn’t social media helping along…
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:27am
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  They are depressed at the mess the baby boomers have made of our country.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:32am
  - Matt Long
    
    Ok Boomer.
    
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    June 21, 2024 8:46am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    But not too depressed Mike, since they know they are beneficiaries of the Trust….
    
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    June 21, 2024 8:51am
  - Ghost
    
    They are depressed at the mess the Ardern\Hipkins govt have made of our country.
    
    Fixed
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:03am
    - AitchW
      
      You forgot Clarke/Cullen.
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Someone was so depressed at the mess she made, she just ran away. Millennial, not a boomer.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:44am
    - imalwaysright
      
      S.O
      I don’t think she has the awareness to realise what she has done to New Zealand on behalf of her masters. As far as she is concerned she was hugely successful !
      
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      June 21, 2024 10:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sad that the masters did this and she still has no idea. (See that big smile just then?)
        
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        June 21, 2024 6:08pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    I agree Mike. All those Baby Boomer Socialists like Helen Clark, Michael Cullen and their back room enablers have certainly wreaked havoc on NZ…
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:11am
    - Mike
      
      You forgot Ruth Richardson.
      
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      June 21, 2024 6:15pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    OK Mike, explain succinctly, without blustering or bullshitting, in your own words, how the baby boomers made a mess of the country.
    
    Waiting.
    
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    June 22, 2024 8:03pm
- MCōs
  
  When I was young the very real threat of nuclear war concentrated one’s mind
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:34am
  - artemisia
    
    Very good point.
    
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    June 21, 2024 8:38am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Wasn’t in mine. Don’t include me in your ‘concentrated in one’s mind’.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:08am
  - Cassandra
    
    Nonsense. In my youth, all in Auckland, it was hardly mentioned. Apartheid was the big issue – and beating the Boks. The A bomb might have been an issue in Europe or America but not here. Then of course we got the Helen Clark hysteria where, for political gain, anything nuclear became toxic. Never mind reason. We still want to be friends with the USA (see Clark currying favour with them while PM) and will accept their benefits but we won’t accept their ships. Hypocrisy.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      In 1984, Lange was the nuclear idiot.
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:49am
      - MCōs
        
        Talking about a long time before that
        
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        June 21, 2024 9:56am
      - Cassandra
        
        He was very much the follower. He was actually the front man for the right until Margaret Pope. The anti nuclear left was led by Helen Clark and Fran Wilde. Lange was as shallow as a frying pan. We grew up (?) together.
        
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        June 21, 2024 10:32am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        He was rolled by Margaret Wilson and Helen Clark. That is why the US accused him of lying to them, he had said OK, but the Labour Caucus rolled him.
        
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        June 21, 2024 2:06pm
    - stewmar
      
      In the 60s when I was in high school we were indoctrinated with newsreel docos about the coming nuclear holocaust. I was terrified by it all.
      
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      June 21, 2024 11:07am
      - Paulus
        
        I was chasing girls at that time – more fun !
        She caught me later, and now over 60 years later !
        
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        June 21, 2024 1:35pm
  - cmm
    
    ” the very real threat of nuclear war ”
    
    It wasn’t really that real.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:49am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Not really. I grew up under that threat as well. I was more focused on sports and chicks!
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:11am
- softail 1450
  
  Chuck, Damn it I just start getting over my anxiety and depression and some bastard on KB puts up an article featuring an image of Chloe Swarbrick or Ti Māori Rongoa believer Marama Davidson and I’m back reaching for the Xanax again 😢😢
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:31am
- alphabeatrium
  
  I drove my neice (younger than 10) past a Fonterra plant with steam coming out. She literally cowered in fear at it and told me that that’s where climate change is coming from. This is the latest iteration of nuclear war (’80s) or ozone depletion (’90s), but it seems even worse. Teachers, and curriculum designers, are culpable for this harm.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:32am
  - hookerphil
    
    Bring her to the South Island and drive her past Makikihi and when she cowers in fear at the steam coming out tell that’s where the chips are made. That should settle her.
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:33am
  - Happy1
    
    Alpha, it’s i before e except after c. Niece
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:43am
    - alphabeatrium
      
      Nice
      
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      June 21, 2024 12:46pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Noticed a story on the news recently about deaths from air pollution in NZ, which it was said came mainly from cars. This voiceover was accompanied by pictures of white plumes coming from tall chimneys attached to factories (could have been steam, for all I know).
    
    It’s a worry when our “journalists” cannot tell a factory from a car.
    
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    June 21, 2024 12:10pm
- Rodney Hide
  
  Hi Chuck
  
  Agreed. But not just that.
  
  I recently attended two Let Kids Be Kids presentations. The first was so good, I went to the second!
  
  Another thing that has happened in our schools is a hyper focus on identity over character and faith and achievement. It is who you are, especially your victim status, over the content of your character and what you can do and achieve.
  
  Schools once taught character and achievement. No longer.
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:52am
- PurplePen
  
  I wonder if a life growing up with social media isn’t part to blame. Constantly seeing either your peers or others of a similar age always having a good time or being successful must make for not feeling good about yourself as whats on social media isn’t real life. The other part is teachers and schooling and maybe modern parenting is to blame. Everyone at school is a winner, there is no such thing as failure or coming 4th let alone last, parents attend to every little roadblock in your way, and teachers reinforce the global boiling thing and colonisation guilt thing.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:16am
- Paulus
  
  Why only Young Adults we have been taught by the Ardern regime that Depression is the thing.
  And the Media Party are the Leaders in this regime.
  It appears that we are still paying them through NZ On Air in many different aspects of misery.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:38am
- Ehlana
  
  Or something to do with the fact that just a year or two after we were told 16 year old’s are capable of voting, we now have people complaining that David Seymour replied to them online when they were only 14 and without their parents knowing about it. Note, it is agreed that no inappropriate comments were made.
  
  First, if they think they needed parental supervision on line as 14 year old’s, why did they contact an adult without it?
  
  Second, shouldn’t a 14 year old be able to ask a question of a politician and get an appropriate answer? Isn’t that part of growing up and learning about how the world works and developing your political views?
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:02am
- The Redbaiter
  
  Everyone is anxious.
  
  Its because our countries are being destroyed by the very people we elect to stop their destruction.
  
  And right now, there is no solution to this problem in sight.
  
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  June 21, 2024 12:31pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Chuck, big question, where to start?
  
  We are all a product of the way we view the world and the relationships we have with others.
  
  Some of the many reasons young people would be depressed and anxious:
  1. Social isolation from conducting the majority of relationships online.
  2. Hopelessness, from a materialistic, atheistic worldview. There is literally no meaning to life.
  3. Being lied to by adults constantly. Gender isn’t binary, you can choose to be whatever you want to be.
  4. Guilt laden or victim mentality. You are either a victim or a perpetrator of actions against victims.
  5. Drugs – ready access to vape, cannabis and meth.
  6. Poor life outcomes through addictions to social media, porn, substances, gaming etc
  7. Being told the world is going to end due to pollution, fossil fuel use etc
  8. Broken family relationships due to parents not sticking together. Fears of having the same journey.
  9. Going to school and being bored out of your brain due to a lack of true education and too much indoctrination.
  10. Feeling like there is no freedom. It is not safe to have opinions that will cause emotional hurt to others. The thought police are watching.
  
  But not all young people are depressed and anxious. I know many that are optimistic about the future and making the best of life as they are able!
  
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  June 21, 2024 2:18pm
Simon

Well done for Auckland Transport trains not crashing and killing dozens of passengers. AT board must shit themselves with every tiny little noise on the network. Along with Fail Rail of course.

They all get prosecuted if something goes wrong. It means a shit expensive service that is unworkable.

If you get assaulted by a one of the govt’s special people on the train does the AT board get prosecuted? Why not?
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June 21, 2024 8:10am
Right of way is Way of Right

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350314562/green-mp-darleen-tana-okd-migrant-fruit-picker-visa-job-husbands-bike-shop

Oh dear, it would seem that Darleen Tana’s investigation might be taking so long because people are finding more and more about what she does every time they lift another rock up.

Talk about job security! (The lawyer, not Tana, she’s toast!)
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June 21, 2024 8:14am
- AitchW
  
  My god. I cannot understand why the Greens did not simply front foot this at the very start. Instead they’ve let it grow into the gift that keeps giving.
  The left really does live on another planet.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:27am
  - wsk12345
    
    I bet they didn’t pay PAYE for him either if they were “erratically paying him in cash”
    
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    June 21, 2024 12:05pm
- Scooter
  
  Maybe the Greens will eventually say its the fault of her cis white European Danish husband, after all she’s lily white in all of this.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:38am
- cmm
  
  In Africa they’d call this corruption…
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:50am
- JimBobJoe
  
  To be fair to the Greens – the allegations will potentially led to Employment NZ and/or Immigration NZ laying charges regarding breaches of workers rights, illegal payments of migrant/holidaying workers not on right visa etc etc. Heck IRD might even have an interest around improper accounting for tax purposes.
  
  Its a snakes nest of potential issue I would have though t based on the reportage to date
  
  They have to be very careful in what they do and how they do it – as Darleen Tana has a right to a fair investigation and potentially a fair defense to any possible criminal charges.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:19am
- Paulus
  
  Well Tana is still being paid of course.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:39am
  - pdm
    
    And probably tithing to the Green Party.
    
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    June 21, 2024 11:19am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Bear in mind that Tana is a List MP. Her replacement will continue the tithe.
      
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      June 21, 2024 10:38pm
- cmm
  
  The scribble face hides a multitude of sins.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:58am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    These days the “scribble face” is pretentious f’wittery fueled by narcisism. Especially so since those doing it have just as much Euro ancestry as UN-clownfest designated “special people” ancestry.
    
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    June 22, 2024 8:09pm
Anthony Melchett

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/seasonal-worker-steven-garae-sentenced-to-seven-years-jail-for-raping-blenheim-school-girl-11/

Tell me how that’s not worse than murder for the victim? Go on, I’ve got all day.

And this pedo rapist will be out in 3.5 years.

30 years minimum jail for rape and castration upon release would be a more reasonable starting point.
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June 21, 2024 8:14am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  The 11 year old girl has a life sentence
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:45am
- Ghost
  
  Of course it is not worse than murder. She will get the help she needs and go on to live her life. I say that having a friend who was sexually abused multiple times as a child, who has not let it affect his life, who has gone on to create an amazing life. Who has never wished he was killed
  
  What do you expect castration will do? Do you think it will stop a person sexually abusing? There have been cases where a person has taken castration as part of an early release, gone on to sexually abuse.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Really? She may be permanently traumatised. Who is going to help her? The New Zealand “mental health system”? 🙄
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:00am
    - Ghost
      
      She is already receiving care from a child psychiatrist.
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:08am
      - kowtow
        
        How’s the rest of the family doing .
        
        This must also be devastating for all the people close to her.
        
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        June 21, 2024 12:12pm
      - Ghost
        
        Her grandmother will be destroyed and blaming herself, but she will also be her grand daughter’s strength.
        
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        June 21, 2024 12:48pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        For young girls molestation & rape is a life sentence – they have extreme difficulty dealing with it and/or overcoming it. Any bastard who commits these offences should have the key thrown away.
        
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        June 21, 2024 12:33pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        “If anyone were to scandalise any of these innocent ones, it would be better for them that a millstone be tied around their neck & be cast into the depths of the sea”.
        
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        June 21, 2024 3:05pm
    - Nukuleka
      
      The point is that 7 years- meaning he will be out in 3 and a half- is manifestly insufficient for this appalling crime. Put aside extremist and irrelevant views about castration.
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:11am
    - I remember when
      
      It is a terrible crime and will result in trauma.
      Yes need a mental health system that is of the required standard.
      Also a guarantee that victims will receive all the treatment that is required.
      However, we must be careful that we don’t allow victims to believe there is no life worth living afterwards.
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:46am
    - imalwaysright
      
      “Who is going to help her?”
      
      Exactly.
      She can’t be unraped.
      
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      June 21, 2024 11:05am
    - mawm
      
      It’s a life sentence.
      
      33% of women who are raped contemplate suicide.
      13% of women who are raped attempt suicide.
      People who have been sexually assaulted are more likely to use drugs than the general public.
      38% of victims of sexual violence experience work or school problem
      37% experience family/friend problems
      
      There’s a lot more at
      https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence
      
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      June 21, 2024 3:28pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        I am always skeptical of such statistics, basically any social science statistic that asks people what they think or how they feel and then try to turn it into a number, but I’ll let RAINN speak for themselves,
        
        Understanding RAINN’s statistics
        Sexual violence is notoriously difficult to measure, and there is no single source of data that provides a complete picture of the crime. On RAINN’s website, we have tried to select the most reliable source of statistics for each topic. The primary data source we use is the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which is an annual study conducted by the Justice Department. To conduct NCVS, researchers interview tens of thousands of Americans each year to learn about crimes that they’ve experienced. Based on those interviews, the study provides estimates of the total number of crimes, including those that were not reported to police. While NCVS has a number of limitations (most importantly, children under age 12 are not included), overall, it is the most reliable source of crime statistics in the U.S.
        
        We have also relied on other Justice Department studies, as well as data from the Department of Health and Human Services and other government and academic sources. When assembling these statistics, we have generally retained the wording used by the authors. Statistics are presented for educational purposes only. Each statistic includes a footnote citation for the original source, where you can find information about the methodology and a definition of terms.
        
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        June 21, 2024 9:18pm
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    You keep telling yourself that.
    
    That girl will never be ok.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:33am
    - Ghost
      
      She will go on to live her life. Don’t write her life off like that. She very much has the ability to be a survivor and live her life.
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:49am
      - wsk12345
        
        Maybe she does. But I know a woman in her 50s who was raped repeatedly as a child. She has never got over it and has gone on to destroy her adult relationships and friendships and the lives of her children. They are now grown up, but are complete victims, unable to contribute to society as mummy says they are not capable. All of them have been diagnosed with mental illnesses as adults.
        
        The father did his best but seemed not to have much in the way of rights to his kids.
        
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        June 21, 2024 12:11pm
      - RichardF
        
        Sure, she will ‘live her life’ but it will probably be filled with life long issues with trust and relationship problems. I speak with some experience. My mother was sexually assaulted in the 1960s by her next door neighbour. The mental health problems she has today are attributed to the trauma she experienced as a 9 year old. Imo crimes against children are the most serious of all.
        
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        June 21, 2024 12:42pm
  - Mr Nobody NZ
    
    I would expect that if a dog savagely attacked an 11 year kid that it would be put down to protect society.
    
    This animal is no different and should equally be put down to protect society.
    
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    June 21, 2024 1:06pm
- Mr Nobody NZ
  
  Why imprison this animal for 30 years at over $100,000 pa when a length of rope would cost a few dollars, be reusable and 100% effective at preventing reoffending?
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:54am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Because that is not happening so it is pointless to debate it.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:14am
    - MCōs
      
      Not only that if a guy knows he’s going to be executed he’s more likely to kill the only witness, I’d have thought
      
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      June 21, 2024 10:04am
      - Anthony Melchett
        
        Or, he just might stop and think for a minute before he commits the crime.
        
        Actual deterrents and all that.
        
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        June 21, 2024 11:31am
      - kowtow
        
        Oh rubbish .
        
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        June 21, 2024 12:13pm
    - jkt
      
      No debate is ever pointless.
      To suppress debate is “pointless” and real oppression.
      
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      June 21, 2024 11:58am
    - Mr Nobody NZ
      
      How many more of these sort of crimes do you think people will witness in our communities and the limp-wristed slaps on the wrist from the legal system it will take before either:
      a) demand a legal system that protects law-abiding citizens from the current animals which roam our streets.
      or
      b) people work out that if they want justice then they will need apply it themselves.
      
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      June 21, 2024 12:59pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        In the foreseeable future, I cannot see either (a) or (b) happening.
        
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        June 21, 2024 1:24pm
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    Fully support it.
    
    If we don’t have the ability for a death sentence then its money well spent to protect our kids.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Something smaller and faster costs $1.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:56am
    - Mr Nobody NZ
      
      A mechanical device (firearm, boltgun etc) all have a greater outlay and on going maintenance costs.
      
      A length of rope is reusable and environmentally friendly.
      
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      June 21, 2024 1:01pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Would you like to borrow one?
        
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        June 21, 2024 6:11pm
rjay

I thought media wanted to stop Facebook from using their stuff for free. Now they complain because Facebook is not publishing their stories. Be careful what you wish for.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/520154/facebook-rejects-ads-promoting-stories-about-climate-change-under-policy-on-sensitive-topics
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June 21, 2024 8:15am
Pope Punctilious II

Mirabile visu: Stuff ‘n Nonsense is headlining the latest development in the Darlene Tana story.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350314562/green-mp-darleen-tana-okd-migrant-fruit-picker-visa-job-husbands-bike-shop
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June 21, 2024 8:16am
Rusty

What’s wrong with the earth getting a bit warmer if climate change is real?

It benefits agriculture, mental and physical health, outdoor life, work etc,

So why aren’t good vibes being preached about climate change instead of bad?
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June 21, 2024 8:17am
- pdm
  
  Rusty – after all that is what Nature has always done.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:02am
  - Rusty
    
    @pdm Your right its called nature.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Makes the veges grow to support the hungry – only if they don’t mess with the CO2.
  Makes the grass grow into steak.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:00am
- G152
  
  They didnt complain when it was ice
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:05am
Tomtoddy

A 2020 APA survey found that 56% of U.S. adults said climate change is the most important issue facing the world today. Nearly half of young adults ages 18 to 34 said they felt stress over climate change in their daily lives.

It would be bad enough if climate change claims were true but the majority of the frightening statements are pure fiction.
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June 21, 2024 8:19am
- Dougal10
  
  If the climate changing slowly , (which it has always done ) is the biggest stress in peoples lives then there isn’t actually much to worry about then.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:29am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yeah they SAY that in the surveys. How many of those Americans drive giant pickup trucks?
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:35am
  - sirknz
    
    O O will be the Venn Diagram of the two groups.
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In Alaska I have never seen so many Dodge Rams. Petrol and diesel.
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:16am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Imagine having one in New Zealand. It must cost $300 + to fill the petrol tank. 🙁
      
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      June 21, 2024 1:28pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        It does. They are fun to drive though, sound good, and are quite comfortable. Difficult to park though in our tiny little carparks.
        
        If you have to tow a digger or a big boat, they are excellent, much more comfortable than a little truck.
        
        As NIWA found out, and the labour party got their panties all bunched up about it.
        
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        June 21, 2024 2:36pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        There’s quite a few of them around Tauranga.
        
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        June 21, 2024 3:06pm
      - Quail
        
        BY ,Yes they do .
        But the Chevrolet option can tow 4500 kg !
        That is why a certain Government department has just purchased 4 or 5 of them — ostensibly so they can tow their boats.
        Anyone see savings???
        
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        June 21, 2024 9:27pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The guy who did my concrete has one. But yes the new ones are $300K.
        Driven one in Alaska. It is 3 times the vehicle of my Landcruiser Prado. Dam solid. That’s why Alaska use them.
        
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        June 22, 2024 7:45am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Thank God we have fossil fuels that provide us with cheap, convenient and abundant energy to help us deal with the gentle warming we’ve been inflicting on ourselves.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cleaning my heat pump today. It runs on Huntly coal.
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:18am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Anyone that buys an EV is charging it from excess electricity generation. That’s OK if they admit that, and excess supply and demand EV charging should be costed accordingly.
      
      If however they sanctimoniously bought the EV to “save the planet”, or do “their bit for reducing fossil fuel use”, they should either have a home solar array from which they charge their EV from, or proudly have a bumper sticker that says “Powered by Dirty Indonesian Coal.”
      
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      June 21, 2024 12:59pm
- Rusty
  
  @Tomtoddy — The biggest polluters are China and Third world countries -who have no choice but to use fossil fuels.
  
  Debatable whether they cause climate change but I still wouldn’t want to live in those countries.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:14am
- Inandout
  
  Tom, that number would likely have also said when vaccinated they couldn’t catch the covid bug.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:53am
- PurplePen
  
  That does mean just under half of adults don’t see it as most important and more than half (opposite of nearly half) 18 to 34 year olds don’t feel stress over climate change. Maybe the other half should have a chat with the other half.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:29am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Just remember, half of all NZers are below average. Enough of them have a below 85 IQ to guarantee the Greens, TPM and NZ First representation in Parliament forever!
    
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    June 21, 2024 2:37pm
Matt Long

Following up from yesterday’s Northland power debacle, a few questions;
Why did Transpower have to investigate the cause of the outage when they have stated their people were working on the pylon when it fell, could the pylon and cables lying on the ground possibly just have been assumed to be the cause of the outage?
Why, when Northpower has a dedicated webpage on power outages they direct us to, did we need to trawl through social media to find updates on , a, why the power was off, and b, when it was likely to be restored?
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June 21, 2024 8:22am
- wsk12345
  
  I haven’t seen anything in the news where they state their people were there. I don’t believe they would be doing maintenance on that circuit when the other one was put for maintenance.
  
  Can you direct me to where it says this?
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:30am
  - Matt Long
    
    Every second article mentions the pylon was undergoing maintenance. Here’s just one.
    The tower was undergoing maintenance work when it fell yesterday morning but questions remain on the cause of the collapse.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/northland-power-cut-transpower-to-investigate-why-transmission-tower-fell/GDEFOVHC6JFE3ENYLUQOWPX45E/
    
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    June 21, 2024 8:55am
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      I suspect that someone screwed up. Maybe loosened some rusty bolts in order to replace them?
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:26am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That’s my thinking. Took out 3 at a time instead of 1.
        But who knows?
        
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        June 21, 2024 10:24am
      - PurplePen
        
        Did they subcontract Boeing?
        
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        June 21, 2024 10:30am
    - Countrygirl
      
      And it’s going to take till the end of July to work out what happened.
      
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      June 21, 2024 8:39pm
- sirknz
  
  Big organisations always have a process that has to be followed.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    Maybe the modern processes are full of DEI crap instead of focusing on doing the job properly.
    
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    June 21, 2024 3:04pm
- imalwaysright
  
  It looks like all the anchor bolt nuts were removed.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:33am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Bolts off/puff of wind /big problem! Suspect there is going to be a lot of wind coming out of Transpower in the near future.
    
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    June 21, 2024 8:41am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Sabotage ?
      
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      June 21, 2024 8:59am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Had to look up where “Glorit” was – middle of nowhere …….
        
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        June 21, 2024 9:49am
      - MCōs
        
        There are 50k pylons in NZ
        Most of them, the vast majority, are in the middle of nowhere
        
        Looking at the photos it seems apparent there was a failure of some sort at the base. I would have thought someone on site could have made a quick assessment and come up with a preliminary report for the CEO.
        
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        June 21, 2024 10:20am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah, there were sheep there. They had their cordless grinders with cut off wheels.
        
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        June 21, 2024 10:25am
      - MCōs
        
        A preliminary report could describe what happened, not necessarily why it happened, but it’s a start, but in NZ nobody wants to stick their head above the parapet
        
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        June 21, 2024 10:29am
- Keith White
  
  History: “It’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up.”
  
  Transpower: “We’ll do two for the price of one.”
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:33am
  - peterwn
    
    Looks like workers were replacing sections of tower steel. This temporarily weakens the tower strength but if the weather is fine and the work is properly planned and engineered there is no problem. There is probably no need to get ‘System Control’ for this sort of work which is probably why the work was being done when another nearby circuit had been released for maintenance. So any enquiry would be based on the planning of this work. Another point is the pylon was probably a MacKenzie Special. Bruce MacKenzie was a senior engineering manager (or General Manager) in the late 1960’s when significant grid expansion was taking place and was concerned at costs and considered that the ‘factors of safety’ used in design were too high and reduced them (from 4x to 2x or something like that). Unfortunately this was a misjudgement and there was a spate of pylon collapses. The affected pylons were strengthened and have been in satisfactory service ever since.
    In UK years ago the grid operator referred to a power failure as an ‘outage’. Some wit then extended the glossery:
    inage – restoration after fault
    upage – a tariff hike
    downage – a pylon falls over
    fromage – the Chedder Power Station (now defunct?)
    
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    June 21, 2024 8:53am
    - Matt Long
      
      Yesterday was moderately windy with an Orange rain warning, you would have to ask why, when the 110kva line was out would you play roulette with the main line?
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:19am
- rouppe
  
  The tower lying on the ground is not the cause of the outage.
  
  Why the tower fell on the ground is the cause of the outage.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:46am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yes, but Transpower has informed us speculation about why this may have occurred is unhelpful.
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/transpower-wont-say-why-tower-fell-over
    What would have been helpful to affected consumers would be to know the immediate cause wasn’t a circuit breaker or similar and that alternative water supplies and generators needed to be put in place.
    I had a fair idea the cut was major as the Ute radio went out at the same time as the power.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:01am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      First hint it was major was all the idiots having problems with the ‘right hand rule’ at the Kamo/Mill/Bank St intersection 🙂
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:10am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Electric Ute Tom?
      
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      June 21, 2024 11:47am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Matt – would be the most appalling communication I’ve ever seen out of Northpower. Almost looked like a case of ‘not our fault’ – oh well, time to go home – no need for last person out to turn off the lights!!
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:48am
  - Matt Long
    
    I can see how it could possibly be difficult to updates customers on their website, but if Facebook is the place to get better information, couldn’t they link to there on their website?
    I hope it’s a wake-up call to civil defence. Also AFAIK there’s still no contingency for backup power supplies to charge batteries at cell towers, are we assuming satellite coverage will make this redundant in the near future?
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:06am
    - peterwn
      
      Elon Musk is about to operate a more compact version of Starlink antennae/modem. Together with a solar panel and battery, this would provide neighbourhoods with an affordable emergency basic internet/communications setup.
      
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      June 21, 2024 10:07am
    - PurplePen
      
      I’ve never understood why companies use facebook and at least don’t have the same information on their website or on a website. At times Facebook requires you to log in to view a page. Why on earth do I want to log in to view basic information.
      
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      June 21, 2024 10:34am
      - peterwn
        
        Facebook is easy to use by nearly anyone when time sensitive information has to be conveyed. Web sites less so especially where an easy to use content manager like WordPress (used as a blog like Kiwiblog) is not available.
        
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        June 21, 2024 6:49pm
- cmm
  
  No doubt this will be written out in a long report with 5 pages of Maori mumbo jumbo on each end wondering why the moto fought off the serpent power lines.
  
  Outside of direct acts of sabotage and warfare or extreme acts of god, keeping a pylon upright is very basic engineering.
  
  I suspect that this is a case of competence being driven out for DEI etc.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:58am
- Paulus
  
  Did I not hear that the bolts had been taken out of the structure during maintenance.
  The boss, she just waffled, as expected, and would not answer any questions.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:43am
  - peterwn
    
    That would be par for the course – this strongly suggests negligence was a significant issue but Transpower does not want to admit issues because that opens the door for lawsuits. Also there is a major health and safety issue involved which will most probably result in Transpower and/or contractor being prosecuted.
    Compared with a major incident in UK some years ago when a transformer at the Wimbledon Grid Exit Point dropped out and brought the Tube system to a halt. Issue was investigated and the failure cause was in the public domain within 24 hours. Technician had plugged in a ‘1 amp’ protection relay where a ‘5 amp’ one should have been used. There were organisation culture issues which affected staff. Similar to the Clapham Junction train disaster in the 1980’s. While a technician was directly responsible there were wider organisational issues meaning lack of checking and low staff morale. The technician (AFAIK) was not charged with manslaughter (which he could have been) but the rail operator was fined a quarter of a million pounds.
    
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    June 21, 2024 7:02pm
MCōs

Today is World Refugee Day, which probably engenders mixed amongst many people who are not refugees
However
In the years leading up to WWII huge numbers of Jews tried to leave Germany because they could see there was no future for them if they stayed put.
America, for example, had a quota for the number they would take, but only accepted about half because the rest didn’t have the wealth or education or influence to qualify.
If all the German and other Western European Jews refugees had found a home elsewhere the holocaust would have been greatly diminished.
The Eastern European Jews didn’t have a chance after the invasion of Russia.
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June 21, 2024 8:31am
newview

Agree Matt. We just happened to be working on it when it fell over. WTF.
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June 21, 2024 8:32am
krazykiwi

I’m still about, and continuing to watch the government doing some good stuff, but nothing like the structural reform that New Zealand so desperately needs. Or perhaps we’re not desperate enough yet, and still yearn to be more like Venezuela.
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June 21, 2024 8:42am
- kevn
  
  kk… Welcome back.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:25am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Yes …. Where have you been?
    
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    June 21, 2024 11:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  kk missed as much as Benedict was.
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:48am
mandk

I hear Labour Party stooge, Campbell Barry (Mayor of Lower Hutt) is behind the suggestion that Wellington Regional Council should buy Wellington Airport shares “to stop it being privatised”.

The majority of airport is already privately owned, and I am sure Barry knows this, so I can only assume he is being devious or working out his marxist ideals.

There is absolutely no advantage in Wellington Regional Council owning shares in the airport. It would not provide control and, besides, it’s not as if the asset can be taken some place else.

Still, it’s only other people’s money, so why would Barry care?
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June 21, 2024 8:45am
kiwikidsnz

The long history (centuries) of the UK reneging on it’s commitments to its allies in conflicts continues…
https://bbc.com/news/articles/cn00d2ndnlgo

It took Joanna Lumley to focus hearts and minds on the broken promises to the Gurkhas a while ago, who will step forward this time?
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June 21, 2024 8:51am
- kowtow
  
  What promises were made to the Gurkhas.
  
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  June 21, 2024 12:21pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    “In 1947, India, Nepal, and Britain signed a tripartite agreement which concerned the rights of Gurkhas recruited in the military services of India and Britain. The agreement stated that these Gurkhas would receive equal welfare facilities and pensions as British and Indian citizens.”
    
    Joanna’s father Major James Rutherford Lumley served with the 6th Gurkha Rifles during the Second World War. He served alongside two Victoria Cross winners, the late Lachhiman Gurung and the late Tulbahadur Pun, who saved his life in Burma.
    https://kathmandupost.com/national/2023/08/29/gurkha-veterans-share-doubts-ahead-of-september-talks
    
    https://kathmandupost.com/national/2023/08/29/gurkha-veterans-share-doubts-ahead-of-september-talks#:~:text=In%201947%2C%20India%2C%20Nepal%2C,as%20British%20and%20Indian%20citizens.
    
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    June 21, 2024 1:51pm
    - kowtow
      
      The treaty meant Br Gurkha soldiers didn’t get paid more than those in the Indian army , as then none would join the Indian army as recruits from Nepal . Nepal govt part of that agreement .
      
      All good till the Gurkhas became based in the UK . They then campaigned for equal rights under various laws etc in UK .
      
      As I understand it the UK govt simply stuck to the terms of the treaty , that’s not a “broken promise”, if anything it was the activists and the Lumley’s who weren’t following the letter of the law but did manage to embarass the UK govt into doing the “right thing”.
      
      I am happy to be corrected.
      
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      June 21, 2024 5:10pm
- Jake Dee
  
  Very interesting and I suspect this runs deep
  
  “The veto was controversial because it gave UK Special Forces decision-making power at a time when the Afghan commandos were potential witnesses to a war crimes inquiry investigating the SAS.
  Former members of the elite regiment said that was a clear conflict of interest, saying it could stop members of the Triples giving evidence by keeping them out of the country.”
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:24pm
krazykiwi

Federal Debt Interest Crosses $1 Trillion

Treasury reported that last month the federal government collected $324 billion from the hard working yet defenseless Americans who earned it.

And they spent nearly one-third of it — $103 billion — just to service the debt. That not guns or butter, it’s just interest.

Meanwhile, the feds actually spent 671 billion on the month.

Meaning roughly $347 billion in fresh debt. In one month.

For perspective, on an annualized basis that’s $4 trillion collected, $1.2 trillion in interest, then $8 trillion spent.

So, yes, we might just have a spending problem.
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June 21, 2024 8:54am
Maggie Pie

LEAVE OUR KIDS ALONE 🙁

LEGO releases GHEY-MARCHING-TEAM complete with drag queens.

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1803849139656233307

If the comments are anything to go by, it’s gone down like a cup of cold sick!
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June 21, 2024 8:55am
- Ghost
  
  Plenty of adults do Lego, so do gay kids.
  
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  June 21, 2024 8:57am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is not gay people who are the issue. It is indulging children who identify as the opposite sex, or as cats, dogs, and wolves. That is what Lego is doing here. Maybe you did not watch the video.
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:07am
- PurplePen
  
  Did you see the reply below … image of Lego Hamas throwing Lego rainbow character off a roof.
  
  https://x.com/Liberacrat/status/1803849501699932605
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:38am
Tomtoddy

The Coalition and particularly Luxon and Willis seem to be messing up the story around funding more cancer drugs. They have lost control of the narrative.

Its difficult to work out what the real story is. It is hugely compounded by the media that continue the most vicious and relentless campaign I can ever recall against a government.
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June 21, 2024 9:05am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I agree. I have tuned it out because it is so opaque.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:09am
rockape

Donald Sutherland has died aged 88. I met him in 1985. He shot the movie Revolution down in Cornwall. I commanded the County of Cornwall Sqn of RAF Regt and we were ‘ volunteered ‘ as extras. The movie about the War of independence was famous for the troops all wearing DMS standard issue modern combat boots and there were many wrist watches on display. He was a really nice guy but had a lot of difficulty remembering his lines !
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June 21, 2024 9:05am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  First time I saw him was as “Oddball” the tank commander in Kelly’s Heroes (1970 – I was an impressionable 15yo).
  
  Back when movies were movies, not messages.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:27am
  - MCōs
    
    MASH, very much a ‘message movie’ came out in Jan 1970. That was the first I was aware of Donald Sutherland. That was a huge at the time particularly with the Vietnam war going on.
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:50am
    - imalwaysright
      
      The power of comedy to expose the absurd.
      Note the lack of comedians in New Zealand, especially the last six years. We had no court jesters to ridicule those in power, instead we had vacillating lackeys whose lack of talent was superceded only by their lack of intellect.
      
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      June 21, 2024 11:23am
      - JackRabbit
        
        We had no court jesters to ridicule those in power…
        
        Because those in power over the last 6 years and now in opposition, had stolen, and still have the role of Court Jesters.
        
        Fawlty (MIQ) Towers.
        Multiple Ministries of Silly ~~Walks~~Dorks.
        Bloated Ministries where the only activity was hiring more people.
        Debating Chamber Monty Python 30 minute arguments.
        Communists.
        Cross Dressers.
        Crooks.
        Clowns.
        Criminally insane acting as MPs.
        The list goes on….
        
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        June 21, 2024 1:20pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        Good point about lack of comedians.
        Who are the top kiwi comics today?
        Personally, I’m thinking Bret McKenzie and Jemaine Clement from “Flight of the Conchords.” but I haven’t heard anything from them recently.
        Who is hot right now?
        
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        June 21, 2024 9:32pm
- All_on_Red
  
  First movie for me was 1900 also starring a young Robert DeNiro, Burt Lancaster amongst others and directed by Bernardo Bertilucci
  His character was quite evil.
  Long film but recommended
  
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  June 21, 2024 12:16pm
sirknz

Oh look, more migrant worker exploitation.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/indian-workers-claim-they-were-made-to-work-17-hour-days-with-no-pay-treated-like-slaves-by-auckland-restaurant-chain/7VYCPU525ZECPFNAH25LE7YR4Q/

It’s not Darleen or her husband this time, but it is the usual suspects…
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June 21, 2024 9:06am
- MCōs
  
  Indians exploiting Indians
  When we were down in Wellington we used to hear of Thais exploiting Thais, but nobody would thank you if you took the matter up with the authorities
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:56am
peterwn

So Willie Jackson (ex Broadcasting Minister, now Labour’s broadcasting spokesperson) is upset at the TVNZ Board members he appointed just before the last election. Seems National’s Broadcasting Minister is happy with the Board’s performance.This got Willie worried and he said ‘[I] thought the board might have shown some respect by at least talking to him about recent developments. “Not a word, not a message.” ‘
He must be away with the fairies if this is his attitude. He seems to think that since he appointed certain Board members he can boss them around. He has no more authority over broadcasting than any other backbench MP.
From a paywalled Herald article “Media Insider: Willie Jackson takes aim at TVNZ board he appointed; …. “.
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June 21, 2024 9:06am
- kowtow
  
  Labour and “patronage”……..such a settler colonialist attitude.
  
  Certainly not a democratic principle though.
  
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  June 21, 2024 12:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Shortest day of the year….

9hrs 40mins of daylight in Gizzy.
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June 21, 2024 9:07am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I see ‘Acton Estate’ is on the market down your way Maggz.
  Could be a bit of you guys?
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na..we had an Edwardian Villa in Island Bay….draughty……
    
    and Hexton doesn’t have a mall like Kaiti….
    
    Plus its gardens are only alleged to have been designed by Alfred Buxton…… and that’s the same as our gardens here (and probably half of the East Coast gardens).
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:39am
- Diogenes
  
  You’re lucky to get 9hrs 40min of daylight today, Maggy. We’ve seen so little of the sun down here this past week we’d be lucky to log that amount for the whole week. (Okay, I know daylight and sun aren’t the same thing; but I struggle with SADD, and can get a bit negative about this.)
  
  On the positive side, I do get a lift from the thought that this is the hump, and it’s heading the right way now for the next six months. And Christchurch’s Spring blossoms definitely make the heart glad.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:24am
  - Paulus
    
    Suggest you move to Tauranga, fabulous weather again, again and again.
    Rain expected on Sunday
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:46am
- rockape
  
  This day, 59 years ago I reported for duty to start my flying training at RAF South Cerney. Seems only a short time ago.
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:00am
Ghost

Whoopsie

Suspended Green MP Darleen Tana told a migrant worker he was able to work in her husband’s bike shop on a seasonal work visa – despite that visa clearly stating he could only work in horticulture and viticulture jobs.

The worker also claims Tana advised him to keep working in the shop during lockdown as it was essential work.

Article
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June 21, 2024 9:12am
- Cassandra
  
  Bye Tana. But a replacement Maori will be appointed, just as goofy.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:34am
  - mandk
    
    Goofy wouldn’t be so bad, but they are all crims and Marxists.
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:11am
- rouppe
  
  Is anyone, in question time, asking the Greens when will the investigation will be complete, or when nz taxpayers get to stop funding her absence?
  
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  June 21, 2024 12:59pm
  - Ghost
    
    Can’t ask opposition questions
    
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    June 21, 2024 1:12pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Green MPs cannot be asked questions in question time.
    
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    June 21, 2024 1:19pm
Countrygirl

Re Darleen Tana.
“She remains under investigation by lawyer Rachel Burt, who was tasked by the Greens to establish what Tana knew about those and other allegations about the business.”
This is not a lawyer I would want to use. Much faster work would be required by me. I wonder how long it can get spun out. Are we the taxpayer coughing up or is the investigation out of Green party funds.
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June 21, 2024 9:30am
- mandk
  
  We the taxpayers are footing the bill.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:09am
- sirknz
  
  When do commies ever put their hands in their own pockets?
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:20am
  - kowtow
    
    They’ve got their hands ’round our necks .
    
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    June 21, 2024 12:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  The Greens have done lawyer Rachel Burt no favours.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:22am
- PurplePen
  
  Its paid for by us but does come out of their leaders fund which is probably a good thing as they’ll have less in that bucket for other wayward members later on.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:45am
- PurplePen
  
  Benjamin Doyle (Hamilton West) is next on the list … “has spent nine years in education as a high school teacher, in both Tāmaki Makaurau and Kirikiriroa, and more recently as a Kaupapa Māori researcher at the University of Waikato. They have also spent time organizing community wānanga for rangatahi Māori, artists, and takatāpui & LGBTQIA+ people in Kirikiriroa and across the motu.”
  
  Oh well.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:54am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I bet he’s panting for the best paid job he’ll ever have
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:52pm
- imalwaysright
  
  “She remains under investigation by lawyer Rachel Burt,”
  
  I thought that the police investigated crimes.
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:32am
- All_on_Red
  
  I suspect its deliberately being strung out so Darleen can get as much pay as she can.
  
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  June 21, 2024 12:07pm
thirteenstars

The trans activism continues at Upper Hutt Libraries next week with Drag King Willy Smackntush reading stories to pre-schoolers:

This is a family friendly storytime, which means the content is appropriate to the audience. They will be reading stories about empathy, diversity, and belonging, while in audience appropriate costume.

https://www.upperhuttlibrary.co.nz/Events/Drag-StoryTots

Note the trouble they go to make sure we all know it’s “appropriate” for very young children. No, it’s not, and only a woke retard would think it is.

Storytots is a programme the library runs and it is specifically targeted at 0-4 year-olds.

https://www.upperhuttlibrary.co.nz/News/Storytots-is-back

Check out the photo in that link. Young kids looking at what? That’s a very male thigh in fishnets, pink dress on with a pose suggesting nothing is being left to the imagination.

Willy means penis and Smackntush refers to having your arse spanked. What’s “appropriate” about that?

Checkout the Smackntush Facebook page in which it promotes an event called “Coven Uranus”.

https://www.facebook.com/LittleWillySmacknTush/

Wayne Guppy is the mayor of Upper Hutt. Here’s his contact details and those of the councillors:

https://www.upperhuttcity.com/Home/Tabs/Council/Your-Council/About-your-Council/Mayor-and-Councillors

I’ve sent him an email and I suggest you do, too.
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June 21, 2024 9:40am
- Ghost
  
  A drag king is a female dressed up as a man. Willy Smackntush is a female
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:57am
  - thirteenstars
    
    What’s your point? Is a Drag King reading to preschoolers less perverse than a Drag Queen doing it?
    
    At this point along the road to complete degeneracy do you think the labels these [Mod- deleted] give themselves matters one bit?
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:00am
    - Ghost
      
      My point is it’s a female. Not a guy.
      
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      June 21, 2024 10:51am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Its OK, women can be creepy perverts too – this is the 21st century Ghost!
        
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        June 21, 2024 2:53pm
- mandk
  
  I have sent an email to Guppy urging him to stop the event.
  
  It’s another example of gender-bender ideology that is intended to mess with kids’ minds. We have more than enough depressed and confused adolescents without tots being targeted.
  
  (Guppy has gone down in my estimation recently. He also recently co-signed a letter to the government, objecting to the idea that councils should be required to hold referendums before deciding to have Maori wards).
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:07am
- Notsofast
  
  While this is all cheered on by the comprehensively discredited Inside Out, since the Cass review and Wpath files, the war will be won on merit. Libraries, Blenheim specifically, campaign against Letkidsbekids, mentioned above in the thread by Rodney, and lost with appropriate legal action. The librarians have now agreed to a reeducation program to enforce a liberal strategy on their premises.
  Accordingly the Free speech Union perversely says let drag time story hour continue.
  Interesting debate.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:24am
  - PurplePen
    
    Free Speech Union are agnostic to whatever is anyone’s message or thinking.
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:57am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      FSU do a lot of good work but in this area fail to see adults have a duty to protect children from age inappropriate ideas. Equivalent to age ratings on movies and games.
      
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      June 21, 2024 2:45pm
- Gravelroad
  
  I don’t care if he/she/they want to dress up in the make-believe clothes and paint themselves with gaudy makeup.
  It’s all part of their insecure fantasy “look at me” world.
  Fine. Go for it at home or with your friends/managers/publicists.
  But why the determination to bring pre-school kids into that world?
  Why would little children be the target of wannabe influencers such as these?
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:39am
  - PurplePen
    
    Do they have islamic or jewish or catholic people come in reading stories in their religious garb during islam or Judaism or catholic week. And when was it the public libraries job to do child education in social related topics.
    
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    June 21, 2024 11:01am
- imalwaysright
  
  The library should put on the show for Guppy only and livestream it.
  Then he can do a Q&A from parents.
  Lets see how he handles that.
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:40am
- imalwaysright
  
  “That’s a very male thigh in fishnets, pink dress on with a pose suggesting nothing is being left to the imagination”
  
  The mum with the specs seems to have made eye contact!
  
  https://www.upperhuttlibrary.co.nz/News/Storytots-is-back
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:47am
- Jake Dee
  
  Agreed.
  This is grooming tactics, push the line as far as possible until you get some pushback. Then wait until things die down and you can push it again.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:42pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go hmmm….

Friends of ours have a holiday home up at Russell.
They were saying their caretaker was telling them that when someone removes ALL 16 bolts from both Base-Plates on one side of a Power Pylon, gravity takes over.
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June 21, 2024 9:44am
- cmm
  
  If they’d only used Maori Science then they wouldn’t have to worry about colonial gravity.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:05am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It was probably a relation of the maintenance guy I was telling you about working on the rides at the Easter Show 🙁
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:12am
    - Muttonbird
      
      Surely there must have been a white guy in charge of the crew.
      
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      June 21, 2024 12:56pm
- greybeard
  
  All sorts of forces are acting upon those pylons, including the drag / leverage by the wires especially in windy conditions.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But it was such a beatiful calm day in Glorit when it toppled.
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:49am
  - PurplePen
    
    Drag? What, male drag?
    
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    June 21, 2024 11:03am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Ghost will know… he sounds like an xpert on these things 😛
      
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      June 21, 2024 11:37am
  - herb1
    
    The pylon that tipped over was the one on a bend. All the weight of the wires were pulling on the down side . Removing the bolts on the topside footings wasn’t very sensible .
    
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    June 21, 2024 2:22pm
    - greybeard
      
      That is exactly what I was trying to say this morning, at 10:19am, this thread.
      The sideways stresses caused by the other pylons and wires situated at an angle placed a lot of leverage on the top of the insecure pylon.
      
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      June 21, 2024 5:04pm
Grunter

NZ Govt Debt clock now over $182 Billion
https://www.debtclock.nz/

Going up at a rate of $3 million/Hour..

Well done Robertson, and now Willis/Luxon!

Please explain how this ever gets sorted……..anyone??
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June 21, 2024 9:52am
- cmm
  
  There are two parts to it:
  a) stopping the bleeding.
  b) repaying the debt.
  
  Both of those are pretty darn hard, but the latter is worse.
  
  At $182bn that’s coming up for $40k per man, woman and child. That’s a lot to pay off and will take a generation or two – if they were to stop spending NOW, which they won’t.
  
  Worse yet, the geese that lay the golden eggs are leaving NZ. The remaining population is less and less productive and are not going to be paying this back fast.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:10am
- PurplePen
  
  I haven’t looked, but is the rate of increase in the debt level reducing? If so, presumably that would be one way to get to a point where you might start paying it down while keeping the lights on. Not my area. Would that be the case?
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:06am
  - cmm
    
    The basic principles are exactly the same as debt on a credit card, just the number of zeroes is different.
    
    You can’t really pay down a credit card while still charging more spending to it.
    
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    June 21, 2024 2:01pm
    - Quail
      
      Inflation is a tax.
      This is how Governments redistribute wealth and carry on spending.
      Your money in the banks or savings purchasing power is being taxed away.
      Governments pay lip service only about reducing inflation.
      They do nothing about reducing it!
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:44pm
- Jake Dee
  
  Don’t want to nitpick but I will.
  The clock says a bit over 1M an hour
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:45pm
Damocles11

Another story in the media about exploited migrant workers. This lot are Indians, claiming to have paid tens of thousands for work visas, and then have been exploited by a Kebab shop chain owned by fellow Indians. They are looking very sad and sorry for themselves in the photo’s I saw. Someone makes a lot of money out of these exploited workers, the taxpayer will ultimately carry the can for keeping them fed and sheltered I am sure. Immigration is an absolute disgrace, far too much of this stuff going on. When will this farcical situation be resolved?!
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June 21, 2024 10:04am
- kowtow
  
  Would be nice to see the MPs of the Make Glorious
  Green party standing up for workers rights against this sort of settler colonialism………
  
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  June 21, 2024 4:57pm
I remember when

What is a heat dome and are they getting worse with climate change: New Scientist.
Includes –
“A heat dome is not a clearly defined scientific term, but it is used by many weather forecasters.”
“The jet streams are fast-flowing bands of wind in the upper atmosphere that usually help move weather systems along the planet’s surface.
But sometimes big loops form in a jet stream, resulting in weather systems getting struck in the loops.
These blocking patterns, as they are known, can lead to extreme cold, extreme rain or, in the case of heat domes, extreme heat.

Whatever the outcome it is obviously extreme!
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June 21, 2024 10:05am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350317823/us-state-requires-ten-commandments-be-displayed-public-classrooms

Place your bets folks: how long will it be before Jeff Landry, the Louisiana State governor, is arrested for theft / assault / bigamy / etc ?

Such hypocrisy. You can almost see these people owning slaves on a plantation .
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June 21, 2024 10:14am
- Swifty
  
  The fools.
  
  They’re opening door to the Islamists demanding the same thing.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Could prove traumatic to a little 6 year-old if their daddy or mummy had been coveting the neighbour’s wife or if they had had fun on the Sabbath (no whistling allowed where my daddy grew up).
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:46am
Swifty

Where does your head need to be at when you publicly declare you don’t mind being associated with a failed, discredited, ideology responsible for the misery of entire populations and of the deaths of hundreds of millions of souls?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/business-leader-rob-campbell-i-dont-mind-being-called-a-marxist-i-regard-that-as-a-badge-of-honor-money-talks/YSG7PVDP3RFEZMX4XL5V42PV5Q/

And more than that, you regard it “as a badge of honour”.

Mr Campbell needs to grow up and throw off his clearly entrenched student boyhood views.
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June 21, 2024 10:19am
- Damocles11
  
  Looks like he leveraged his Labour connections to become a corporate high flier. He’s not even shy about stating it. The cronyism of the Left.
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:06am
- PurplePen
  
  From the article. “When asked what he’d do if he was made Prime Minister for a day, Campbell says he’d give Green co-leader Chloe Swarbrick a call.”
  
  Good lord! That says it all.
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:09am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Was he drunk!
    
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    June 21, 2024 2:31pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Remarkable how fast the media forgot he was the Chair who stuffed up the formation of the Health Authority, and then had to be sacked by Labour (some honour) for stupidity.
  
  Now apparently he is the born again Messiah. Funny that when he was making out like a robbers dog back in the 80s and 90s, he forgot to be a Marxist.
  
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  June 21, 2024 2:59pm
Swifty

The moment he started work he was immediately up to no good:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350317137/probation-officer-sacked-unauthorised-searching-chinese-offenders
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June 21, 2024 10:24am
- Inandout
  
  Swifty, you do realise this ‘Stuff Circuit’ is funded by NZ on Air? Check what else they investigate. There is invariably a motive behind it.
  
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  June 21, 2024 10:56am
- Maggie Pie
  
  People are saying he’s an obvious CCP plant.
  Just another reason why you should never trust government departments
  with your personal info.
  Wonder how it’s going with the TPM census data investigation?
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:12am
  - sirknz
    
    Guarantee he won’t be the only one in corrections, or whatever government department you care to choose.
    
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    June 21, 2024 1:33pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  What’s his visa status? Kick him out.
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:00pm
Jack5

Did a heart specialist make plausible the reason offered by Invercargill Mayor Nobby Clark for his allegedly offensive remarks at a firefighters gathering?

Clark said he had been suffering “brain fade” from his open-heart surgery, from which he returned to civic work too soon. A special meeting of the Invercargill City Council is scheduled for today at which two councillors will ask him to step down.

Stuff reports a leading heart surgeon saying that 20 to 50 per cent of cardiac surgery patients suffer brain dysfunction, typically for up to three months, after their operations. Effects can include “brain fade or brain fog”.

Some details of attacks on Mayor Clark were discussed in Kiwiblog General Debate thread last night.

The remarks to firefighters followed a controversial TV interview of Clark by the comedian Guy Williams, former boyfriend of the Green politician Golriz Ghahraman.

Stuff reported Clark asked Williams if he was homosexual and “got him to say the N-word.”

You can wonder whether Clark was partly set up in the interview for a joke or comedy effect – one that may have gone wrong.

In the later Stuff report about the Mayor’s remarks to or in front of firefighters, Green Lane heart specialist Professor Harvey White explains “post operative cognitive dysfunction” after open-heart surgery:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350317259/mayor-nobby-clarks-brain-fade-comments-plausible

Allegations about Clark’s words at the meeting, held after the South Island “firefighters’ challenge” run by the United Fire Brigade’s Association and attended by more than 120 competitors:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350315847/invercargill-mayor-mocks-degrades-and-offends-firefighters-blames-brain-fade
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- Jack5
  
  Wow! What Mayor Clark said at the firefighters’ gathering in Invercargill.
  
  This is a report attributed to “local democracy reporter” on the “Southland App,” which describes itself as a digital news service of the Southland media company, Advocate Communications Ltd. This is owned by Te Anau’s Kirsty and John Pickett.
  
  “Some of the comments were made during a speech on stage and included a description of volunteer firefighters as second-class citizens and personal attacks on the MC, the complaint alleges.
  
  “In relation to the latter, the complaint claims Clark attacked the MC’s appearance, competence as a communications professional, and made an untrue allegation she was having an affair with the association’s president.
  
  “Butzbach also alleged the mayor disparaged young people in positions of authority.”
  
  [William Butzbach, chief executive of the United Fire Brigades’ Association, complained to the Invercargill City Council about Mayor Clark’s speech.]
  
  Side issue: British sailors with the surname Clark have traditionally been given the nickname “Nobby”. One suggested reason is that clerks in Britain in the 19th century often wore head gear called “nobby hats”. These were a type of bowler hat.
  
  The Invercargill mayor’s proper name is William Stuart Clark. He served as a “medic” during the Vietnam War.
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:39am
  - kowtow
    
    Here was me thinking firemen were tough geezers.
    
    “This has proven traumatic for my staff whereby we are providing professional support services to them.”
    
    pathetic .
    
    btw I’d say the union geezer’s the knob for inviting the wrong type of guest .
    
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    June 21, 2024 12:46pm
    - Inandout
      
      kow, they can be very woke with meth.
      https://fireandemergency.nz/yourecooked/
      
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      June 21, 2024 1:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        The Invercargill Council has rejected demanding Mayor Clark’s resignation. The Mayor, looking much less than fighting fit, appeared at the beginning of today’s s meeting, and declared he would not resign.
        
        However, the council voted for him to apologise, with all sorts of conditions in the implementation. Lefties on the council seemed disappointed that they didn’t get Clark to the guillotine immediately.
        
        The council special meeting is online at Youtube.
        
        There was no entertainment value in the hour and a half video. No fireball speakers on this council.
        
        You can watch the meeting here if you’ve got severe insomnia tonight:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/live/97E0HnLKHes?si=xDbQSWbhJTziy6Ey
        
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        June 21, 2024 4:15pm
stewmar

I watched the obnoxious Maike Sherman on tv1 news last night give her rating of the performance of our PMs trip to Japan out of ten. What a despicable self righteous arrogant sod she is for believing that she would be qualified to rate the PMs performance out of ten on any subject. When is the CEO of TV1 going to order MS to pull her head in and at least try and appear to be objective?
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June 21, 2024 11:13am
- Clyde
  
  When enough people write to TVNZ and then to the BSA setting out why. Until this happens the Liemore Pardy goons at TVNZ will keep enouraging her.
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:44am
- Grunter
  
  How do you watch that crap? Seriously, it can not be good for you in any way.
  
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  June 21, 2024 11:46am
- MCōs
  
  I take it she didn’t rate him a ten?
  
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  June 21, 2024 12:38pm
  - MCōs
    
    I had a look and she gave the trip an eight with points deducted for the plane breaking down, which she said was hardly his fault, and denigrating previous trade missions under PM Ardern.
    
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    June 21, 2024 12:52pm
    - AitchW
      
      Criticising Ardern is tantamount to high treason. Well, according to the media….
      
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      June 21, 2024 9:17pm
- rouppe
  
  Why watch it. Then tv1 get some ratings figures.
  
  If you don’t tune into tv1 at all, viewer ratings drop, advertising revenue will drop, and it’ll go bust.
  
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  June 21, 2024 12:42pm
  - sirknz
    
    Advertising revenue has been declining, and they won’t go bust because te government will bail them out with taxpayer money.
    
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    June 21, 2024 1:31pm
- cmm
  
  Don’t give them your eyeballs.
  
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  June 21, 2024 12:50pm
Maggie Pie

Just a reminder…

Golriz is due to be sentenced for the shoplifting charges on Monday.

Has anyone heard what the outcome was of the complaint made to the Chief DC Judge, about the dudge who heard the case in the first place? Weren’t her and Goldy besties from way back or something 🙁
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June 21, 2024 11:58am
- AitchW
  
  I sense a gentle caress on the wrist with a slightly moistened bus ticket….
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:16pm
kevn

The fix is in… for the next ‘pandemic’.
Let the money begin rolling.

https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/bird-flu-outbreak-in-sydney-prompts-draconian-farm-lockdowns-and-mass-poultry-culling/

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/06/20/germany-expands-mrna-vaccine-production-capacity-to-up-to-one-billion-doses-per-year-to-supply-the-world-in-the-next-pandemic/
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June 21, 2024 12:39pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Humans and animals have been around for millions of years. Health and hygiene has never been better.
  
  And looking back among the more primitive of societies, they did things with each other and with animals that was very unhealthy and unhygienic. Eating raw flesh, cross gender and cross species sex, fetishes, the list goes on.
  
  And suddenly despite all this, the “viruses” choose to wait millions of years to jump the fence (cross species infection).
  
  Worse still, big Pharma was able to “predict” this would all happen right now, so were busy beavering away in their “gain of function” (cross species infection) labs artificially creating the said “predicted” viruses, so that when in the rare rare event of virus jumping the fence, they had vaccines ready, produced, labelled, packaged, and marketing in advance to treat these one in a 100 million year virus events.
  
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  June 21, 2024 1:35pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    “And suddenly despite all this, the “viruses” choose to wait millions of years to jump the fence (cross species infection).”
    
    Oh please!
    Just off the top of my head I can list, bubonic plague from rats, smallpox from cattle, salmonella from chickens, rabies from dogs and toxoplasmosis from cats. Plus, a whole bunch from mosquitos.
    Regardless of what ever Covid shenanigans actually happened, this is not a new thing
    
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    June 21, 2024 9:58pm
sirknz

Another money launderer in the news today.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350318892/police-hunt-alleged-million-dollar-money-mule

The previous one turned up dead.

There may be a pattern forming here though but I can’t put my finger on it…
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June 21, 2024 1:29pm
cmm

A Kiwi has died in Mecca. Apparently 1000 died when the temperature got to 52.

Well what’s surprising about that?

Almost 2 million people packed together in a friggin desert in summer in 52 degrees. Most of those are likely to be older people who have finally saved up enough through their life to make a pilgrimage. Most are probably coming from the West and are used to walking around in air conditioned shopping malls.

Transplant 2 million people like that into a baking desert and it is a miracle that only 1000 of them fall over with heatstroke. Allah be praised!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350318773/kiwi-dies-during-annual-hajj-pilgrimage-mecca
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June 21, 2024 2:12pm
- Inandout
  
  That throng always reminds me of army ants when they are out foraging.
  
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  June 21, 2024 2:51pm
- Inandout
  
  As an aside the halal butchers thrived during Jacinda’s month lockdown because they were ‘special’. Fuck the other butchers who went to the wall.
  
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  June 21, 2024 2:53pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  The reporting I have seen has shown the biggest country death toll at this years Hajj are from Eygpt – not a country know for cool temps.
  
  The big problem is the Hajj is scaled for officially approved individuals… but many more make the trip unapproved and there is not enough cool resting places for everyone as thy walk out to the pillar to cast stones, or when packed in doing circuits of the Kaaba
  
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  June 21, 2024 3:06pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Population increases, that place was a barren desert back in the day. What was once a trek in the wilderness is now more crowded than a shopping mall at the new year sales.
    
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    June 21, 2024 10:03pm
- PurplePen
  
  Why can’t they just reschedule it to occur in the cooler months?
  
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  June 21, 2024 7:23pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I’ve been in the desert in 50. It’s fairly balmy and the sand gets a bit toasty. I had to change out of my jandals.
  
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  June 22, 2024 5:14am
Surely Knott

Waipareira Trust are now giving away AA emergency packs. I wonder which government budget has funded these? The packs are retailing on the AA site for $120 each. How many have they got to give away. I mean it’s nice an all for those who get one but aren’t we struggling to fund cancer drugs and ambulances, etc.

“You can come see us at any of our 🚐 locations. You’ll be able to prepare your plan and receive an emergency pack for home. Free giveaways, helpful kaimahi and probably a little snack as well!
Save the date as we will resume our van locations on Monday 24 June! Our van locations will be posted in the morning. Here are some pics of some of our awesome whānau who are now emergency ready that we were able to support this week.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=468446575788027&set=pcb.468447129121305

https://shop.aa.co.nz/products/new-grab-go-1-person-emergency-kit?variant=40059251785797&currency=NZD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwps-zBhAiEiwALwsVYfjkGmBnRMcLDuzlcbCLihdAF1-G-yKZ91yJcLHn9cXSN9kjqpzOKBoCPb4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
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June 21, 2024 3:10pm
- kevn
  
  SK… Look out, these will be sold on fakebook as well.
  
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  June 21, 2024 3:39pm
- Countrygirl
  
  I’d like one of those free packs. Is there a Waipareira trust outlet in Tauranga?
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:07pm
newview

CMN. I consider myself fortunate that as a non practicing Presbyterian (atheist ) I don’t feel obligated to be summoned to join this collection of FOMO humanity. This dangerous Lemming like activity to someone not involved appears insanely bewildering. I thought the Jewish not eating pork and Catholics eating fish on Fridays was irrational but this is next level.
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June 21, 2024 3:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I s’pose you won’t be in a rush to the next Kumbh Mela then…(Jan-Feb 2025)
  
  About 220 Million made the pilgrimage last time (in 2019).
  
  https://exploringed.com/india-kumbh-mela/
  
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  June 21, 2024 3:57pm
  - newview
    
    MW. JESUS. Oops could’ve chosen better terminology.
    
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    June 21, 2024 4:09pm
- kevn
  
  newview… The new term is athiest christian. Seems to cover the bases. For most. Not all.
  
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  June 21, 2024 4:02pm
  - newview
    
    (:
    
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    June 21, 2024 4:11pm
- MCōs
  
  I think Jews, and Muslims for that matter, not eating pork is because they were not considered hygienic.
  When I was in Thailand the locals up country ate rats caught in the fields, but nobody ate the ones that lived in drains and lived on rubbish. Same same.
  Our family is Catholic and we didn’t eat meat on Friday as a form of penance. (Catholics are big on suffering and penance). Fish was seen as a substitute. For us kids that meant fish n chips and salmon for dinner. So it was no great hardship
  Somewhere along the line that has been dropped by the church.
  The anti pork strictures are too entrenched among hard line Jews and Muslims to change.
  
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  June 21, 2024 5:35pm
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    Cheers MC. I have a good Jewish mate. He’s happy to cook pork for anyone but abstains himself. Your reasoning is correct but still irrational to me in this day and age.
    
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    June 21, 2024 6:03pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Series on HMS QE, the carrier. They had a Muslim chef, and he was worried about touching pork. He asked his Imam, who must have a large dose of common sense, and he said, just wear those disposable gloves. Problem solved.
      
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      June 21, 2024 6:16pm
Maggie Pie

Caught up with a couple of girls from tennis at NW earlier.
Prue reckons all the shite thats going down with Transpower, is likely to have a negative impact on the amount of our ‘Entrust Dividend’ this year 🙁

Be pretty pissed off if that was the case!
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June 21, 2024 4:38pm
- MCōs
  
  My most recent dividend was $364, which is about 1-1/2mths of electricity for us
  How about yourself?
  I believe boiling the jug for a cup of tea really chews through the electricity. Transpower were hoping everyone up north didn’t put the kettle on at the same time this morning.
  Btw
  Stuff have drone footage showing the baseplate of one of the fallen pylon legs. It appears to be intact with no anchor bolts attached. So the bolts haven’t pulled out of the foundation, but the nuts have likely been removed . . . . .
  
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  June 21, 2024 5:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Exactly as I told eveyone earlier. Some bell-end removed all the bolts on one side and it toppled over sideways.
    
    Even the CEO reckoned she didn’t know! Pants on fire….
    
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    June 21, 2024 5:50pm
MCōs

Well known black American baseball player talking about the racism he faced in the sixties in the country where it didn’t exist according to some people
https://x.com/ben13porter/status/1803931057991061584?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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June 21, 2024 4:56pm
kiwikidsnz

Another academic overthinking their unasked for opinion
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/520221/does-one-nz-s-new-ad-campaign-connect-many-adopted-people-might-not-think-so
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June 21, 2024 5:15pm
Muttonbird

Thanks, National.

– The Chathams

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/520234/no-petrol-on-chatham-islands-barge-turned-around-due-to-bad-weather
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June 21, 2024 6:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Julie-Ann, Julie-Ann….

Your people need you….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350319635/no-petrol-chatham-islands-barge-turned-around-due-bad-weather
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June 21, 2024 7:20pm
- AitchW
  
  Don’t be silly, obviously the local sea gods are saving the island from evil fossil fuels.
  
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  June 21, 2024 9:19pm
Muttonbird

Budget cuts. Thanks, Nicola…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/520248/interislander-ferry-runs-aground-near-picton
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