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Matt Long

A chocolate fish to whoever can guess the gender of the manager in the first paragraph.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350314605/unjustified-sacking-27-year-veteran-cost-fonterra-40000
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June 19, 2024 8:04am
- pdm
  
  A 101 word text message.
  
  Why not phone and talk to the person?
  
  That could have resolved the whole drama – why don’t these (so called) management people think?
  
  27 Years of what looks like good service must count for something.
  
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  June 19, 2024 8:17am
  - Matt Long
    
    I would assume the procedures manual said communication had to be in writing, Fonterra is rule bound.
    
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    June 19, 2024 8:30am
    - jkt
      
      There was a history here….
      The female manager is still employed and the male “shift boss” lost his job.
      
      When one plus one no longer adds up to more than one, in business or any partnership, it is time for a divorce.
      
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      June 19, 2024 9:26am
    - jkt
      
      Only when it suits them …. or you for that matter.
      Therein, lies the potential clue of what really occurred in this instance.
      
      I hope all parties are satisfied. If not, my hope for all is to get over it and move on.
      
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      June 19, 2024 11:07am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  I can guess her sex, if that’s what you mean.
  
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  June 19, 2024 8:53am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  Who among us hasn’t felt intimidated and bullied at work? Snowflake alert. Running my cynic yardstick over the report it is clear that a degree of antagonism existed. On what grounds did the androgynous manager decide its staff were being disruptive?
  
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  June 19, 2024 8:58am
- MCōs
  
  You’re saying the 27yr vet probably didn’t respond well to being taken to task by a woman?
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:05am
  - rouppe
    
    I also wouldn’t respond well to anyone “taking me to task” for taking sick leave when I had vomiting and diahorrea.
    
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    June 19, 2024 9:25am
  - jkt
    
    The vet felt entitled to the job that ended up going to a less experienced female employee.
    
    This happens all the time! (A mismatch of ability and management strategy)
    
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    June 19, 2024 9:30am
  - Paulus
    
    In real and practical terms women do not respond well to other women, so this falls outside the norm, because this is a man this time.
    In time New Zealand will learn as so many senior executives are now women.
    
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    June 19, 2024 12:22pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    The manager and the 27 year employee worked together in the same shared office. They were the only two employees in that office. The review stated that during the discussion, which was not witnessed by any other person, there were raised voices (plural). It was also stated that during the argument, the 27 year veteran remained seated, while the other party was standing next to him, and she seemed angry and agitated. The conversation ended when the other party “swore, and left the office, slamming the door.” (A direct quote from the ERA judgement).
    
    It would appear that in this case, Fonterra has not exactly covered itself in glory.
    
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    June 19, 2024 3:04pm
  - Matt Long
    
    No, I’m saying a heated conversation was interpreted as an attack.
    
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    June 19, 2024 7:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The chap who was sacked was a production supervisor…
  
  The others involved in the sorry saga were:
  his manager, the 2-up manager, the employment relations team, another manager and a senior manager.
  
  Too many chiefs, not enough workers, it seems.
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:28am
  - jkt
    
    Yes indeed.
    A power-play that went off the rails.
    
    One can feel their pain and arrogance (ego) at the same time.
    
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    June 19, 2024 9:31am
  - Scooter
    
    He was being micro managed by a bunch of chiefs who feel it is their job to interfere rather than do anything productive themselves.
    
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    June 19, 2024 10:01am
    - jkt
      
      He was indeed micro managed.
      
      Were they stupid or was it intentional. It is often a strategy to get rid of an uncomfortable fit.
      
      The fact that the matter was taken up the chain of command tells me it was intentional.
      
      There is a lesson in here for all employees …. and employers for that matter. I think the employer was prepared to pay more to achieve the outcome! I also think the employee became blinkered by his own ego and/or anger.
      
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      June 19, 2024 11:01am
- Rusty
  
  @Matt – I was thinking of trans-genderism when you asked the question.
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:59am
artemisia

Don’t waste a recession: Now is the chance to pursue sweeping deregulation – Cutting red tape sector by sector is too slow. Every department should be asked for a list of regulations that do not meet any cost-benefit test. We need a bonfire of red tape. Health, welfare and education all need to be significantly improved.

Mr Prebble predicts recession will be announced this week, based on the ANZ Truckometer, down 2.3 per cent in May.

Richard Pebble in the Herald today (paywalled).
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June 19, 2024 8:05am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  If you want to know whether it’s a recession, just go to Auckland. City is dead and dirty. Plenty of restaurants with literally no one in the on the viaduct as well.
  
  We are in serious trouble.
  
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  June 19, 2024 8:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    People are too scared to head out downtown Auckland, that includes the viaduct. Down town in Dunedin you still have to book for an important dinner or miss out, I hardly think Labours down down Beruit style Auckland is a very good guide anymore, sad, because I use to live wandering around down town Auckland when visiting
    
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    June 19, 2024 11:03am
    - cmm
      
      It’s not just being scared. It’s also the quality of the whole experience.
      
      Who wants to drop $300 on a good meal, then have to walk back to your car stepping over pools of various body fluids, litter and vagrants?
      
      I’d rather go to a lower-tier restaurant closer to home, spend just $100 and have an overall much better experience.
      
      Or better yet, $60 down at the Indian and I can eat it in the comfort of my own home.
      
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      June 19, 2024 11:24am
      - jkt
        
        Sounds like an truely awful place.
        
        I have not visited Auckland in 20 years other than transiting through the airport.
        
        If my experiences at the airport is anything to go by, then the city that you describe reflects the airport.
        
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        June 20, 2024 8:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Whilst recession may be the norm I recently spent two days plus waiting for a wife having had a serious stroke operation and start recovery.
    Sitting there waiting effectively for over two days, from helicopter delivery, is an eye opener as to what one could make of our society domiciled in Auckland.
    It is some years since having lived and work in Auckland to see the disparity of people going about their business in the main City Hospital.
    Brilliant staff from many very diverse ethnics, but overall the other patients are very similar that I have not considered or seen before.
    My wife was long distant St John to our home Hospital in Tauranga – which is ethnically totally different in the same way.
    Slow progress which may take months, but all have been wonderful and we are grateful for what we have seen and received from not only all levels of Medical staff, but those diverse total other people included in the medial arrangements.
    We are told 30 minutes was critical and they suceeded brilliantly.
    
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    June 19, 2024 12:39pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Downtown Auckland is full of crims and homeless not a very safe place to go out at night anymore so people avoid it.
    
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    June 19, 2024 1:37pm
- Grunter
  
  Prebble is correct (again). The weak Nats need to unleash Seymour and take a chainsaw to red tape.
  
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  June 19, 2024 8:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Seymour is the minister ffs, it’s not for the Nats too tell him how to do his job, at present he is just talking
    
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    June 19, 2024 11:05am
- Damocles11
  
  We’re already in a recession though.
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:04am
- RoboRob
  
  I thought we were already in a recession as defined by two sequential quarters of negative growth?
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:04am
  - Handyman
    
    That definition is correct only under a National government. Under Labour it is just a “technical recession” and “not what they are hearing in their communities”.
    
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    June 19, 2024 12:27pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Yeah, but it won’t work. If a department wants to keep a regulation then there’s plenty of ways to get creative to ensure the cost-benefit stacks up. Such as, if it weren’t for the regulation forbidding the employment of children as chimney-sweeps, 15,437 children would now be employed as chimney-sweeps, 2,856 of them would be dead and 8,475 of them would be suffering from chimney-sweeping-related diseases or injuries.
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:35am
  - alloytoo
    
    Nonsense.
    
    Minimum wage requirements would long ago have priced the children out of the market in favour of automation.
    
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    June 19, 2024 10:03am
- MCōs
  
  I’d have thought the time to make efficiencies is when everything is going well.
  I worked in a big company once, maybe the whole of a 10fl building plus branches in other cities.
  It get to my office I walked through a section of about 15 people who were basically sitting round, but times were good and nobody did anything until they were all deleted in a downturn
  To my mind they, and others like them, should have been gone in the good times so the company would have been better prepared for the next downturn
  Back in the pre Lange era NZ had a phenomenal sized state sector compared to recent times. There really was a ton of deadwood. Partially to disguise the true unemployment rate.
  Then along came Messrs Douglas, Prebble and put the lawn mower through the ranks . . . .
  
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  June 19, 2024 10:22am
  - Don Beckett
    
    “Back in the pre Lange era NZ had a phenomenal sized state sector compared to recent times. There really was a ton of deadwood. Partially to disguise the true unemployment rate.”
    
    As there is now following the Jacinda Labour disaster. I hear the Dept. of Ed. has taken legal action to prevent the layoffs.
    I can’t understand why the govt. doesn’t make an announcement that they are reducing the staff to April 2023 levels and give a scheduled layoff plan. They’re simply not weildig the axe sufficiently – at this rate we’ll be in recession for 2 more terms.
    
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    June 19, 2024 10:42am
    - Nobby2
      
      All government department full time, part time and contract job numbers need to be cut back to 2017 levels, no if’s, no but’s.
      
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      June 19, 2024 11:03am
      - Don Beckett
        
        The reason why I mention April 2023 is because this is when the massive influx of 18,000 extra state employees started. It could be said that it was the level deemed acceptable by the previous Labor government. Then the axe could be wielded in a further ‘progressive’ way.
        
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        June 19, 2024 12:34pm
      - Paulus
        
        Not on your nelly – it appears that no Public Service staff overall. so far have been reduced .
        It is a media allusion.
        
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        June 19, 2024 12:42pm
    - MCōs
      
      They still have to do it by the book, which is the issue in this case and previously at TVNZ
      It was also why Tova had to wait a contracted period before taking up her new job recently
      
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      June 19, 2024 11:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That lawnmower needs to be fueled and started up again.
    ASAP.
    
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    June 19, 2024 11:18am
    - MCōs
      
      Some people I knew were made redundant when the MWD was shut down and were paid redundancies of about $70,000, which was more than half the price of a house I bought in Ngaio at the time.
      They immediately started new jobs at a consultants doing the same work, which of course still needed to be done
      A lot of long standing seat warmers retired very well off from a combination of redundancy and the government superannuation package if they’d been contributors.
      Plus national superannuation was very generous in those days
      Must have cost the government a fortune
      
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      June 19, 2024 12:11pm
Matt Long

Road safety campaigner apparently anxious about 110km speed limits in region where everyone agrees none of the roads qualify for 110km speed limits.
In fact where the resealing is breaking up after a few months the rural roads are barely safe at 50.
Thanks Ms Woods, closing the refinery was just one of Labour’s amazing decisions.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/northland-road-safety-advocates-deplore-government-proposal-to-hike-speed-limits/4KJ3T2BDPZFPNBXR3IF7RT6MFE/
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June 19, 2024 8:10am
- peterwn
  
  What has closing the refinery got to do with the price of fish here?
  The refinery needed a very significant upgrade to keep it relevant and the commercial case of an upgrade did not stack up as far as the refining company and its shareholders were concerned. This meant if the refinery needed to stay open for strategic reasons then the Government would either have to subsidise the refinery either out of the taxpayers’ pockets or to impose an import duty on refined product. Taking emotion out of it, there was no strategic case to retain the refinery. This is especially as if any squeeze occurred it would more likely because of lack of crude oil feedstock rather than lack of overseas refinery capacity.
  
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  June 19, 2024 8:43am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Closing it is something I would argue against but could understand. What pisses me off the most though is that instead of simply mothballing the thing they filled all the pipes with cement so that the plant could never ever be recommissioned.
    
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    June 19, 2024 3:42pm
- kevn
  
  Matt…. Indeed, imported rubbish hotmix and at 3 times the price. Lots of NZ’s don’t realise that fact. Not including the actual refining and storage issues now.
  Filling refinery pipes with concrete. Sabotage.
  https://reinstatemarsdenrefinery.nz/refinery-history
  
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  June 19, 2024 8:49am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Indeed, imported rubbish hotmix and at 3 times the price. Lots of NZ’s don’t realise that fact.”
    
    I have heard this a few times. Are there any reports from people who know what they are talking about? Like road engineers or the guys who work with it?
    
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    June 19, 2024 8:56am
    - jkt
      
      Yes, many.
      
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      June 19, 2024 9:34am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Can you point me to some? 🙂
        
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        June 19, 2024 9:50am
      - jkt
        
        Search and you will find.
        This format does not allow one the opportunity to convince.
        
        But, searching on YouTube using a few key words will get you over the line.
        
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        June 19, 2024 11:11am
      - ISeeRed
        
        @jkt That’s not how it works. Put up or shut up.
        
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        June 19, 2024 2:30pm
      - jkt
        
        ICRed:
        Too lazy to think for yourself?
        If …….. why would I waste my time to try and convince you.
        
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        June 19, 2024 7:09pm
    - argie bargie
      
      According to a roading engineer friend, the bitumen problems are due to a 2021 rule change banning hot mix and changing to a water based emulsion. Absolutely nothing to do with closing Marsden Point.
      https://civilcontractors.co.nz/waka-kotahi-announces-move-to-safer-bitumen-technology/10912-ad248af6-9d18-46ee-85b6-2ee4fa7560c2/
      
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      June 19, 2024 10:01am
      - Matt Long
        
        Very interesting, that makes sense as the seal appears to disappear when it rains.
        I was under the understanding that due to the refinery’s closure contractors were no longer able to make blends to specification but had to use whatever was imported.
        In fact is appears to be a Health and Safety plus decarbonising the economy, that’s making our roads dangerous.
        
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        June 19, 2024 10:47am
      - jkt
        
        So, it is a cause for the closure.
        The effect is the same.
        
        Unintended consequence?
        
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        June 19, 2024 12:06pm
      - Drone
        
        Remember the leaky home saga after the change to some building regs.
        
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        June 19, 2024 2:37pm
  - Tarquin North
    
    There was no co0ncrete poured down the pipes. The pipeline to Wiri is still running. I’ve heard that story plenty of times and used to believe it myself but have been told by management at the refinery it is not true.
    
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    June 19, 2024 9:06am
    - Jaundiced
      
      Well, according to Chat GPT:
      Yes, the pipes at the Marsden Point Refinery in New Zealand have been filled with concrete. This action is part of the decommissioning process overseen by the refinery’s current owner, Channel Infrastructure. The decision has sparked significant controversy and criticism, particularly from political figures like Winston Peters of New Zealand First, who view it as detrimental to the country’s economic and energy security (Scoop) (The BFD) (Daily Telegraph) (Waikanae Watch).
      
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      June 19, 2024 1:18pm
      - Ghost
        
        No they were not
        
        https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/04/02/concrete-in-pipes-fake-news
        
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        June 19, 2024 2:14pm
    - peterwn
      
      The actual refinery was only part of the facility. Storage tanks and the wharf and Wiri pipelines are a vital part of the petroleum distribution system. There is probably also some limited processing facilities such as a centrifuge. When bunker and other oils from the Rena were salvaged years ago they were most probably centrifuged to remove water then sold as bunker oil. It would have been tested to ensure it came within specification which would not be that tight.
      
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      June 19, 2024 5:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Don’t forget the CO2. I think it was a byproduct.
    We need it for our beer.
    
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    June 19, 2024 11:21am
    - cmm
      
      Only shit factory beer.
      
      Real beer makes its own CO2 and is self carbonating.
      
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      June 19, 2024 11:26am
      - jkt
        
        Have a heart.
        Some of us can only afford shit beer.
        
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        June 19, 2024 12:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Shit beer like Stella Artois?
        If breast milk tasted like that I would still be on tit.
        
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        June 19, 2024 4:03pm
    - GJM
      
      And sulphur – a waste byproduct from tehhigh sulphur oil the refinery used, which is vital for NZ soils and fertilizer. It was basically free, adn no has to be bought by the fert manufacturers.
      Regarding CO2, it is used in a lot of industrial and food processes other than beer. the cost for filling my small MIG welding tanks doubled.
      
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      June 19, 2024 4:30pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Road safety advocates are concerned that the Government’s plan to hike speed limits to 110km/h and 120km/h will be disastrous for motorists travelling on Northland roads..”
  
  It is tempting to ridicule the person being interviewed. However the contempt should be directed to the journalist and the media outlet for running such an idiotic story. And these folk want Google to pay for their journalism. 😳
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:01am
  - sirknz
    
    Having driven on Northland roads, other drivers’ incompetence is often the biggest threat.
    
    End of the passing lane? No worries, let’s keep going into oncoming traffic.
    
    Blind corner with a double yellow line? Good as place as any to overtake.
    
    Clear day in dry conditions? I will do 70km/h on SH1 where the roads are straight and shoot dirty looks at people who pull out to overtake me.
    
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    June 19, 2024 9:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Need this for NZ roads:
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ENiSJX5_s
      
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      June 19, 2024 4:08pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The government did not close the refinery. That would be the owners who are accountable to their shareholders.
  
  Would you have really cheered on Grant Robertson if he had acquired the refinery?
  
  Apart from rumours about inferior bitumen and a shortage of industrial carbon dioxide, has anyone been adversely affected? If these are actual problems, is the only solution a domestic oil refinery?
  
  Also the fuel security argument does not stack up. An international crisis would likely cut off crude oil as well as refined product. The small supply of domestically produced crude is not suitable for the refinery.
  
  I’m open to be convinced but I have not seen a good case yet. 🙂
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:14am
  - kevn
    
    BY… Shane Jones looks to be on to it.
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/marsden-point-oil-refinery-reopening-be-investigated-fuel-security-study
    
    https://transporttalk.co.nz/news/marsden-point-refinery-reopening-to-be-investigated
    
    https://marsdenpointnewsradio.co.nz/
    
    The refinery was offered to the govt by the (then) owners. 400mill I think it was.
    
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    June 19, 2024 9:35am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      And do we think the government should have bought it?
      
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      June 19, 2024 9:37am
      - jkt
        
        I think the government should have been more supportive after encouraging shareholders in the facility to invest in renewables.
        
        Especially if the stories around road surfacing is true.
        
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        June 19, 2024 12:18pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Im always willing to change my mind. However Shane Jones thinking it is a good idea does not make it a good idea.
      
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      June 19, 2024 9:49am
  - jkt
    
    Strategic asset!
    
    I hope that helps.
    
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    June 19, 2024 9:36am
  - MCōs
    
    From what I understand there are a number of much larger refineries in our region able to provide a more reliable supply of fuel Marsden Point was on its own
    
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    June 19, 2024 9:44am
    - Taieri
      
      There are 2 refineries in Australia, one in Geelong (with production capacity about 30% higher than Marsden) and one in Brisbane (with production capacity similar to Marsden). It is very unlikely that they would provide “a more reliable supply of fuel” to NZ should a critical situation occur. The other closest refineries in “our region” are the ones in Indonesia (with only two of them with significantly larger production than Marsden) and Singapore.
      
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      June 19, 2024 10:00am
      - MCōs
        
        Here’s some information from late 2022
        Most of our fuel imports comes from Singapore plus South Korea, Malaysia & UAE and unspecified others
        I don’t know if it’s changed much in the interim
        https://www.mbie.govt.nz/building-and-energy/energy-and-natural-resources/energy-statistics-and-modelling/energy-publications-and-technical-papers/energy-in-new-zealand/energy-in-new-zealand-2023/oil#:~:text=refinery%20had%20closed.-,Singapore%20is%20now%20our%20main%20source%20of%20oil%20products,South%20Korea%20(15%25)
        
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        June 19, 2024 10:37am
      - peterwn
        
        If having a local refinery was a security issue, it would make more sense for the NZ and Oz governments to co-sponsor the construction of a world class state of the art refinery in Australia to meet the needs of both nations.
        
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        June 19, 2024 5:38pm
    - kevn
      
      mcos… There have been several instances of fuel stock issues. Never makes MSM.
      
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      June 19, 2024 10:23am
    - cmm
      
      AFAIK (and I could be wrong here) Australia imports refined fuels itself.
      
      Back in the 1970s – even with the various sanctions in place – South Africa was exporting petrol to Australia.
      
      South Africa was diesel constrained. Due to the way things work, to make enough diesel meant that SA was making too much petrol. This was being sold to Australia in 1979.
      
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      June 19, 2024 11:29am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Jet fuel rework. We have had jet fuel requiring re-refining as not up to spec when tested. Used to be shipped to Marsden and reworked. Now it cant be done and we need a new shipment from offshore.
    
    Has happened a few times now and the result is that flights can be cancelled…
    
    Google will confirm…
    
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    June 19, 2024 10:42am
    - peterwn
      
      Presumably the issue is contamination when the product was shipped to NZ. So the shipper and tanker operator need to take extra care to prevent contamination by not shipping particularly dirty product in the tanks to be used for (say) aviation fuel. Hopefully the product passes acceptance tests at the refinery gates and the testing company lives up to its certifications (an issue with reinforcing steel rod imports was that the supposedly internationally accredited testing organisation did not live up to its accreditation meaning the importer has to arrange extra testing on arrival).
      
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      June 19, 2024 5:47pm
  - Matt Long
    
    The government gave approval for the refinery to be turned into an import terminal, are there some areas where the government takes a hands off attitude to near monopolies or strategic assets and offers compensation to shareholders if their decisions cause losses?
    Perhaps a few examples?
    
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    June 19, 2024 11:00am
  - GJM
    
    One thing about our own refinery, is that we can refine whatever we want from one shipment of crude, rather than relying on prerefined fuels which may not be what we need in times of trouble.
    It has been a problem with airlines at least twice with dodgy avgas. We used to just run it through the refinery to clean it up. Can’t do that now.
    
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    June 19, 2024 4:32pm
    - peterwn
      
      Rejected AvGas can be blended with ordinary petrol and diesel as long as the blended stuff meets specification. This is done with the slops on the Wiri and Lyttelton-Heathcote pipelines where there is a change of product being piped.
      
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      June 19, 2024 7:36pm
- alloytoo
  
  Many of these so called experts appear to assume that speed limits will unilaterally be raised to 120km/h irrespective of location, condition or situation.
  
  Such a huge gap in their understanding should really disqualify from commenting on just about anything.
  
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  June 19, 2024 10:07am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, the suggestion is out for consultation, not imposition.
    
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    June 19, 2024 10:49am
    - jkt
      
      And these “expert commentators” know this very well.
      
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      June 19, 2024 11:15am
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    I doubt anyone is really suggesting that the marginal roads in Northland or twisting hillside roads should be 120kph.
    
    However almost all the motorways should be capable of 120 – at least in some stretches.
    
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    June 19, 2024 11:32am
Homas

Took the bus route past the local public hospital t’other day.

How about we try something like “No Fat Nurses by 2030” as a health policy goal?
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June 19, 2024 8:18am
- wsk12345
  
  You have to wonder how you can be fat spending 8-12 hours a day on your feet at work not to mention outside work.
  
  Must eat an enormous volume of healthy food or a moderate quantity of really poor quality processed rubbish.
  
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  June 19, 2024 10:25am
  - Homas
    
    Muh “genetics”?
    
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    June 19, 2024 4:15pm
Inandout

‘An Auckland real estate agent who is seeking a judicial review against her industry body over mandatory Te Tiriti training has had her day in court today.

Janet Dickson is facing a five year ban if her license is revoked – after she refused to complete a Te Tiriti training course.

In 2023 the Real Estate Agents Authority directed all real estate agents to undertake a course called Te Kākano – which was designed in partnership with Whakatāne-based tertiary institute Te Whare Wānanga o Awanuiārangi’.

Many of us voted to get rid of this nonsense, did we not?
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June 19, 2024 8:21am
- wsk12345
  
  I read somewhere that there are 93 more agents in the same position.
  
  Also read on the free press this morning that Californian pharmacists have compulsory continuing education in trans issues – justified by the fact that they need to understand hormones, like they don’t already know about hormones. And the course material was social not scientific !
  
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  June 19, 2024 10:27am
- MCōs
  
  I read yesterday there are a number of modules; some mandatory and some optional. The contention one has been moved to the optional list.
  Even though it’s now moot she’s ploughing ahead with legal fees paid by others.
  
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  June 19, 2024 12:37pm
  - MCōs
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/real-estate-agent-janet-dickson-challenges-compulsory-maori-culture-course-in-high-court/5GCRYQXGNVBW5O4LRKI4OQQFWY/
    
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    June 19, 2024 12:44pm
  - DimChappie
    
    It’s not moot, she faces losing her license for refusing to do the course.
    
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    June 19, 2024 3:21pm
  - alphabeatrium
    
    “Butler said Te Kākano was the first of a three-part diversity and inclusion series.”
    
    “Te Kākano was one of the two compulsory topics for 2023 but has since moved into the elective category for 2024 – meaning it’s not compulsory for new real estate agents. Instead, Butler told the court, this year the second part is compulsory for all agents.”
    
    So, correct, it’s not compulsory now. Instead, the second part of the three parts is compulsory. Presumably next year the third part will be compulsory, and then it will cycle back around. That means its still compulsory, just on a three-year rotation with related “diversity and inclusion” modules.
    
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    June 19, 2024 11:05pm
    - Ghost
      
      Nope, only two compulsory this year are
      
      Dealing with customers and clients fairly
      Managing your Licence and Regulatory Obligations
      
      https://www.rea.govt.nz/real-estate-professionals/education/verifiablecpdtopics/
      
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      June 19, 2024 11:17pm
Matt Long

As I’ve said before, absolutely nobody does hypocrisy like the toxic greens.
Fresh from revelations that their offsetting of their excessive air travel by tree planting actually did not happen, here they are demanding off street parking for their electorate office event from local retailers because; A CYCLE WAY HAS TAKEN AWAY THE ON STREET PARKING.
Good on REPCO and Stacks Furniture for telling them to take a hike. Those stores deserve your business.
https://x.com/SimeonBrownMP/status/1803145710776533246
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June 19, 2024 8:22am
- pdm
  
  Had a trip from Hastings to Taupo – through Monday home yesterday.
  
  Cruised up in a line of traffic (left home at 10am) despite 80k speed limit average speed through the hills was 90/95ks, slowed somewhat by 5 stop lights for road works.
  
  Coming home yesterday, leaving Taupo at about 10.30am we were all on our own and cruised through the 80k area at 95/100kph most of the way. Only two sets of lights because there was intermittent rain so no major work happening..
  
  It was only as we approached Eskdale that we caught up with other traffic and one car came up behind us – his speed through the hills must have been in the 110 plus range I guess.
  
  It is obvious no one respects these 80k limits – trucks included.
  
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  June 19, 2024 8:50am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I have driven that road a couple of times. Driving at 80 would be miserable. Why hasn’t it been reversed?
    
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    June 19, 2024 9:04am
  - Damocles11
    
    I got done for ‘speeding’ in that 80 kph area a while back. I honestly didn’t see any signs. I think the fine was about $240.00
    
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    June 19, 2024 8:59pm
- imalwaysright
  
  ML,
  
  I see the Green MPs have blamed their office worker.
  They are a sickening bunch.
  
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  June 19, 2024 8:57am
  - alloytoo
    
    Hey that’s Jacinda’s trick…
    
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    June 19, 2024 10:09am
    - MCōs
      
      Simon Bridges as it happens
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/an-emotional-junior-staffer-is-responsible-for-deleting-nationals-un-migration-petition/6CZTIVXNZQLGBCQEXTYMIARHPM/
      
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      June 19, 2024 5:36pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Greens throw staffer under the bus
    
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    June 19, 2024 8:20pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Under a cycle.
      
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      June 19, 2024 8:59pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  😂😂😂
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:00am
- cmm
  
  Planting trees does not offset CO2.
  It’s growing the trees that does it.
  Saplings put down inconsequential amounts of wood and therefore take up little CO2. You have to wait 25 years before the effect really kicks in as the majority of the wood in a tree harvested at 30 years is put down in the last 5 years.
  
  If they were being honest they would plant the trees then wait 25 years before taking the flight.
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:02am
  - jkt
    
    Well said.
    Trees that grow for hundreds of years make a difference.
    
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    June 19, 2024 9:40am
Maggie Pie

I get the feeling the world is slowly beginning to Right itself 😀

https://x.com/Question31810600/status/1802856371773473141
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June 19, 2024 8:23am
- kevn
  
  LOL…
  https://x.com/TPostMillennial/status/1802787655983268081?deepfakes
  
  https://notthebee.com/article/white-house-press-secretary-says-video-of-confused-biden-are-deepfakes?
  
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  June 19, 2024 8:30am
  - jkt
    
    Are you suggesting that Possum Face is a deepfake?
    
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    June 19, 2024 9:43am
    - Don Beckett
      
      No, the deepfake is that which the dead opossum is disguising to improve the visual image. 😆
      
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      June 19, 2024 10:55am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    That WH press secretary appears to be inviting someone mop to the floor with her.
    
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    June 19, 2024 3:03pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  Thank you Maggie. My second laugh from kiwiblog this morning.
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:02am
- jkt
  
  😃
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:42am
softail 1450

The [ Mod : cool it ] Ardern states on social media that her new employer is politically neutral, what a bloody joke if you go to their website the 1st article grossly exaggerates Bidens abilities and the second article attacks 45 as a felon.
I sent them Michael Laws’s article from the platform yesterday with some choice words, everybody else should do the same, that thick skinned creature Ardern still thinks she did a marvellous job in her 6 years of unbridled tyranny I can’t put into words how much I despise her and now [ Mod : cool it ].
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June 19, 2024 8:26am
- Drone
  
  softail 1450 I thought Michael Laws was going to have fit, he seemed absolutely over it, as are most NZers at the news of JA’s elevation to the higher ground.
  
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  June 19, 2024 2:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How many Taxes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzZ1CvkaMgE
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June 19, 2024 9:09am
MCōs

Here’s a tweet that caught my eye yesterday
https://x.com/beathhigh/status/1802650449033539658?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog

Here’s a tweet that caught my eye today
https://x.com/nicholasmullan_/status/1802724831080612042?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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June 19, 2024 9:11am
- jkt
  
  😂🤔🧐
  
  Small things amuse small minds?
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:47am
  - MCōs
    
    🔥
    
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    June 19, 2024 5:42pm
Maggie Pie

The wonderful ‘Aunty Heihei’ posts vid of Winston’s press conference.

Is it possible, one of the most famous names in Maori politics, lost his parliamentary seat by 42 votes due to corrupt practices instigated by actions of TPM?

WATCH…..

https://x.com/AuntyHeihei/status/1802844361845358608
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June 19, 2024 9:12am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Or if you could do with a larf, watch it on ‘mute’
  The maori girl doing the signing is such a hoot 😎
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:31am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I think a whole new set of Emojis could be created based on her facial expressions.
    
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    June 19, 2024 3:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She’s an activist?
    
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    June 20, 2024 7:37am
Jethrod

Dr Google comments that a partial mastectomy results in 2 to 4 weeks off work.
Just saying.
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June 19, 2024 9:20am
- Ghost
  
  Nikki kaye had 4 months off for her treatment.
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:41am
- jkt
  
  Plus chemotherapy……
  
  Loosing an appendix is traumatic but chemotherapy on top of that is another level of discomfort.
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:52am
  - alloytoo
    
    Indeed, the effect can be both physical and mental and require a recovery from the chemo that may be longer than the chemo itself.
    
    (This is dependent of the protocol, Cancer is a broad range of disease and treatment)
    
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    June 19, 2024 10:15am
    - MCōs
      
      I had non Hodgkin’s lymphoma and had chemo for 15wks. While this was going on I read that Sam Neil had the same and the chemo hadn’t worked.
      This rattled me a little and I mentioned it to the hematologist. He said don’t worry there’s 70 different types and his was entirely different
      BTW
      I think I’m right in saying that was the type of cancer chemo was initially developed to treat
      
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      June 19, 2024 9:57pm
  - wsk12345
    
    Wow my mate had the chemo first then the lumpectomy after they had shrunk the tumour. She worked right through as a nurse except right after surgery. When you don’t have unlimited sick leave I guess you do what you need to. To be fair, my friend could have taken unpaid but SHE DIDNT NEED TO.
    
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    June 19, 2024 10:35am
    - jkt
      
      Some people are tougher than others and some people Feel more entitled than others.
      
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      June 19, 2024 11:18am
    - MCōs
      
      Unlike a mastectomy a lumpectomy is not major surgery
      People react differently to chemotherapy, which also varies depending on the cancer being treated.
      My sister who was about the same age had a rough time both initially and when the cancer returned and is still feeling the effects more than twenty years on.
      
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      June 19, 2024 5:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        It’s rather sad the way some on this blog have reacted to her cancer. When did we get to this ugly point in attacking, belittling disrespecting a mother, a wife with cancer just because we don’t like her politics. Time some people learned to shut the politics down and grow a bloody heart.
        
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        June 19, 2024 10:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Ghost,
        
        Don’t know why you got downticks for your comment – miserable bastards.
        Cancer is no joke for anyone, besides their politics. It is very scary when you first find out. I know this from experience.
        I hope the person we are talking about gets the needed support and recovers well.
        
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        June 20, 2024 7:47am
Benedict Yu

IIRC she has a double mastectomy.

Just leave it be IMO.
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June 19, 2024 9:47am
- jkt
  
  You started it.
  
  IMO.
  A double mastectomy is no worse than a single mastectomy.
  
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  June 19, 2024 9:54am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Setting up an “urgent” press conference was in poor taste. The fawning nodding rabble who accompanied her just made it worse. Clearly there is nothing they won’t do to get coverage.
    
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    June 19, 2024 10:37am
    - PurplePen
      
      True. Surprisingly the print MSM made little of it and left out all the political messages from the Green Party podium that day.
      
      Actually, now that I think about it, it would have been good if MSM had included all that Marama went on about as it would have amounted to bad press. Not that the Greens would have seen it that way.
      
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      June 19, 2024 4:56pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I disagree about poor taste. She wanted it out to the public before the media could fuck with it. I know the media are leftists, but they are also nasty.
      
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      June 20, 2024 7:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump VP Candidate shoots down CNN smear.

https://pantsonfirenews.com/trump-vp-candidate-shoots-down-one-ugly-democrat-smear-job-in-spectacular-fashion/?
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June 19, 2024 10:04am
- jkt
  
  What is this man playing at.
  
  “Apprentice President – f…. off, You are Fired!”
  
  A man that will do anything for a few extra clicks will keep clucking!
  
  Read the book authored by Dr. Fauci. There is a good chapter dealing with this. Or just search on YouTube and listen to and interview with Fauci on his memoirs.
  
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  June 19, 2024 11:22am
Maggie Pie

Wonder if 1Ewes will despatch their ‘Chief Correspondent’ out today to seek comment from the FIANZ?

https://stuff.co.nz/world-news/350315632/man-accused-attacking-salman-rushdee-rejects-plea-deal

Haven’t seen Johnny on screen for a few months 😀 😀 😀
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June 19, 2024 10:10am
cmm

It is astounding how little tourists pend here.

Germans, “the big spenders” are only that because they come here for a month, buy a crusty old van and bum around spending less than $200 a day.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/how-much-does-a-trip-to-new-zealand-cost-annual-survey-reveals-visitor-spend/ZMBCFYEDEFG6PONJJDBFRUJHZA/
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June 19, 2024 11:00am
- jkt
  
  How do they manage this type of travelling in Europe.
  
  I am sure that we are discouraged from taking a dump behind a bush near the spot where we decide to park over night when touring Europe.
  
  We should stop being so desperate. These campers should be parked up in camping grounds at night!
  
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  June 19, 2024 11:33am
- Jack5
  
  In their favour, the travel-light young folk do provide a pool of cheap short-term temporary labour for orchards and other harvests.
  
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  June 19, 2024 12:56pm
- MCōs
  
  I’d be interested to know the methodology for working out these stats.
  If a backpacker comes here and does some casual work are they still a tourist? And how does immigration know?
  When I applied for NZ Superannuation there was some speculation as to whether I’d been in the country the required time period. The guy pushed some buttons on his keyboard and out came all this information about every time I’d been in and out of the country complete with flight and seat numbers.
  If I had a foreign passport the type of visa would pop up too, but do they know if you bring cash, use your credit card or atm or some other bank card such as ‘Passport’?
  
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  June 19, 2024 1:14pm
  - cmm
    
    I suspect that this can somewhat be tracked via bank transfers etc.
    
    I would also suspect that this tourism money excludes money earned in NZ because that is work, not tourism.
    
    Still, it is a pitiful amount when tourism – one of our big industries – only manages to bring in $200 of forex per tourist per day.
    
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    June 19, 2024 3:03pm
- kowtow
  
  Councils lay on places , at great cost to rate payers and in competition with holiday parks, where these freeloaders could be overnighting and spending on fees and services.
  
  Then the councils spend more tidying up the masses of rubbish left after them and the toilets in a mess.
  
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  June 19, 2024 4:39pm
- PurplePen
  
  I’ve always thought tourism is a false export for us or money-go-round between the cheap tourists and supermarkets and then the cafes etc they work in. Nothing is actually really produced. I also think the tourism industry body well and truly over states the amount their industry returns to the economy. The only countries where there is a good return is those that have a large poor population such as Thailand. And has all the wealthy tourists (just about anyone) lifted their ecomony.
  
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  June 19, 2024 5:03pm
  - Quail
    
    Someone has to use the free “wi fi “supplied by our generous Councils that is usually housed in the free libraries also supplied by the aforementioned bodies!
    Backpackers are useful!
    
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    June 19, 2024 8:09pm
Pope Punctilious II

Don’t read this article too close to bed-time:
https://nickrockel.substack.com/p/the-return-of-jacinda
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June 19, 2024 11:07am
- Taieri
  
  True love has never ends…
  
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  June 19, 2024 11:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Best think about Australia.
  
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  June 20, 2024 8:00am
lifesgood

I listen to Newstalk because some of it is interesting and I like Hosking but boy, oh, boy they’ve got some terrible presenters. Nasty Tim Beveridge and ardent lefty Tim Roxburagh (sp) for two. Beveridge is a shocker, he cuts callers off if they don’t agree with him and I even heard him call a caller a bitch one time. He strikes me as a very unhappy individual. Now I just turn those two clowns off when they come on.
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June 19, 2024 11:26am
- mandk
  
  Hosking, Heather du Plessis Allen and Jason Pine are the only worthwhile shows on ZB.
  
  All the rest are pretty abysmal.
  
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  June 19, 2024 1:48pm
- Graeme Hall
  
  LG: You may be confusing Tim Beveridge with Roman Travers who actually called a caller a bitch. Even though he is no fan of Donald Trump I find Tim Beveridge polite, considered, researched, & worth listening to. Overnight he handles the cat ladies, the lonely, and the craziest of callers with diplomacy. On the other hand, I find Roman Travers (ex-RNZ) biased, racist, leftist and generally intolerable.
  
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  June 19, 2024 3:53pm
BeaB

RNZ wonders why we don’t trust the news. This morning Hipkins was given free rein to say in highly coloured language whatever he wanted, blackening Luxon and the government. No intervention by Corrin Dann. Yesterday Toby Jones on Jesse Mulligans show mentioned Ardern’s comment that they were the one source of truth. Shortly after there was an explanation that this might not have been what Ardern said.
( It actually was but RNZ often helps to rewrite history for Labour).
The same this morning when RNZ banged on about Lux0n’s clumsy comments they carefully explained to us who has gone on previous trade tours.
Nobody bothered to ‘correct’ what Hipkins ranted about Luxon.
They are so deeply biased they cannot even see it themselves.
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June 19, 2024 11:50am
- Jack5
  
  Agreed, I’m old and after no previous elections has the defeated party’s leader been given so much access and continued access to State TV, State radio, and the (now subsidised) print media.
  
  Red Radio and TVNZ no longer care whether they are seen to be biased.
  
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  June 19, 2024 12:53pm
  - Drone
    
    The reason Jack5 is becuase the mSM are still in denial that Hipkins lost the election and if they continue to give him exposure Labour is certain to be a shoe in at the next election. Chris H is basically going to spend the next three years electioneering on your dollar..
    
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    June 19, 2024 2:06pm
- cmm
  
  If New Zealanders are too stupid to see through this then we deserve to become Aotearoans.
  
  No wonder our brightest are leaving.
  
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  June 19, 2024 2:56pm
- kowtow
  
  RNZ ?
  
  They ran a story about skeletons being exposed by coastal erosion but attributed that to “climate change” with zero evidence ,justa bald statement of fact ( in a story full of Maori words to boot).
  
  ‘The old building had been demolished because of coastal erosion caused by climate change.’
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/519864/koiwi-found-at-paekakariki-surf-club
  
  It’s dishonest and disrespectful .
  
  I barely bother .
  
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  June 19, 2024 3:53pm
- PurplePen
  
  Haven’t listened to RNZ since about early last year. Gave up. As for Jessie Mulligan .. he’s lazy, never seemed to have done any prep nor research for his guests .. stopped listening to him but too long after he started.
  
  Part of giving up was the excessive use of Manglish. Speak English or Maori but not simultaneously .. no other bilingual country does this.
  
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  June 19, 2024 5:06pm
BeaB

And Corran didn’t even laugh when Hipkins said the Coalition Government has to start to get on with doing things!
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June 19, 2024 12:02pm
sungsamning

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4723372-pelosi-jeffries-netanyahu-speech/
Pelosi’s split from Jeffries on Netanyahu invite prompts quiet backlash from Democrats.
Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has fanned the flames of the internal Democratic battle over Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coming speech to Congress, questioning the wisdom of the invitation just days after it was endorsed by Democratic leaders in both chambers.
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June 19, 2024 1:06pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6j-rDC7c0
Dutch Doors Close on Maghreb Migrants.
The Netherlands, the country of tulips, canals, and bicycles, has taken a political turn in the most recent general elections held on November 22, 2023. We’re talking about a turn with a name, surname, and distinct hairstyle: Geert Wilders.
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June 19, 2024 1:06pm
goNZ1

newsflash ”All trains across Auckland are suspended due to a track fault – but Auckland Transport (AT) hopes to begin services again in time for the evening commute.”
Maybe its time AT got some overseas contractor e.g Japanese in to run the rail maintenance,does not bode well for CRL when the train frequency is ramped up
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June 19, 2024 1:20pm
- MCōs
  
  AT ain’t got the do re me
  
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  June 19, 2024 4:40pm
mandk

@ BeaB

Hosking, Heather du Plessis Allen and Jason Pine are the only worthwhile shows on ZB.

All the rest are pretty abysmal.
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June 19, 2024 1:52pm
- kowtow
  
  HDPA is pretty woke .
  
  last night she was of the view that cocks in frocks should not be allowed in top level women’s sports cos it’s career limiting for women who’re cheated of titles .
  
  But it’s ok at other levels .
  
  Really ?
  
  So safety primarily and I’d also say the dignity of girls and women in sports and their changing rooms doesn’t matter , as long as it’s not “career limiting”.
  
  I reckon HDPA isn’t the deepest thinker .
  
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  June 19, 2024 3:43pm
  - GJM
    
    Well, she is the oen who broke the law to guy a gun online, using a fake name and license. Illegal, but it is ok when the left do it.
    
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    June 19, 2024 6:28pm
Maggie Pie

My partner retweets….

“No wonder this country is fcuked! Red Radio hits the streets of Auckland to get an ‘ordinary’ Kiwis view as to wether or not the Prime Minister should pay for his own flights?”

https://x.com/KiwiStreamNZ/status/1802829675271483548
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June 19, 2024 2:40pm
- Ghost
  
  Strangely that first person reminds me of Metiria Turei
  
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  June 19, 2024 2:46pm
  - PurplePen
    
    She is a convicted tomato juice thrower.
    
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    June 19, 2024 5:12pm
- rouppe
  
  Funny how no-one ever asked if Jacinda should pay for her own flights. In fact IIRC they objected to anyone asking if she should pay for her boyfriend’s flights.
  
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  June 19, 2024 2:55pm
  - cmm
    
    Cindy took a whole 757 flight to the islands just so she could do some breast feeding. That must be some magic milk.
    
    The Labour young female voter base let went “awwww”.
    
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    June 19, 2024 3:31pm
  - peterwn
    
    Ah! that is a quite different situation. It just cannot be compared to Chris Luxon’s situation especially as he used to sell OMO then run an airline. The only top level items she would have sold were oysters (when in season).
    
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    June 19, 2024 5:53pm
- PurplePen
  
  Good lord! What the hell do they mean the PM should pay for his own flights when on PM business!?? They’re nuts.
  
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  June 19, 2024 5:14pm
- peterwn
  
  He can afford it. He used to run an airline so the airline should be expected to give him gratis seats.
  
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  June 19, 2024 5:51pm
cmm

More playmates for Cris and Cru Kahui this week.

They could almost start a Playcentre.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sudden-death-of-child-in-ranui-west-auckland-second-infant-death-at-home-in-two-years-cordons-remain/NGSWPFX6RRGRRHCTTDJRUMS33Y/
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June 19, 2024 3:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wouldn’t jump to conclusions on this one:
  
  https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050111154704.htm
  
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  June 19, 2024 4:30pm
Maggie Pie

“Maori children are NOT New Zealanders. They are ‘MAORI”

– TPM MP.

WATCH: Karen Chour keeps her kool….

https://x.com/actparty/status/1803253321010188698
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June 19, 2024 3:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So who are New Zealanders?
  
  https://www.otago.ac.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/332298/ethnicity-national-identity-and-new-zealanders-considerations-for-monitoring-maori-health-and-ethnic-inequalities-600094.pdf
  
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  June 19, 2024 4:32pm
- PurplePen
  
  And do you think the Tea Party Maori member has actually asked all the parents of Maori kids if their kids are NZers or not?
  
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  June 19, 2024 5:15pm
- BananaLlama
  
  That’s cooked that they will just decide your race, ethnicity and nationality for you now. Just one ancestor related and they get to claim ownership of you, wonder how long before there is re-education camps for the non-conforming.
  
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  June 19, 2024 7:04pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Godwin trigger alert.
    
    That’s exactly how the Nazis identified people as Jewish.
    
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    June 19, 2024 8:29pm
Scooter

Hmmm I wonder why such a low number of comments today, well 2 of mine have been “disappeared”. Anyone else have the same issue?
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June 19, 2024 5:43pm
- Mike
  
  It’s been happening for a while. When the mods start deleting comments without explanation it leaves the commenter with little or no idea what might be wrong with the comment. Also, some of the moderators don’t like comments about the moderation.
  
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  June 19, 2024 6:46pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Any commenter who does not understand why a comment is deleted is either delusional or has not read the comments policy.
    
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    June 19, 2024 8:00pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  You are incorrect. IIRC the moderators delete a tiny number of comments. About one percent or 4 or 5 on an average day.
  
  If you had 2 comments deleted that is about half of all the deletions. 😂
  
  If you reflect on the two comments that were deleted, I would hope that you would be sufficiently self aware to know why.
  
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  June 19, 2024 7:58pm
  - Scooter
    
    My comment was relating to Jacinda’s Field project and why she called it Field, and suggested that you keep the F… and change the other 4 letters around to spell LIED. Now what’s wrong with that, what rules does that break?
    
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    June 19, 2024 8:43pm
Chuck Bird

I see Peter Dutton in Oz is saying if the coalition gets in power they will go nuclear instead of solar panels and wind turbines.
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June 19, 2024 8:10pm
Ghost

At least he admits he has fucked up, but it’s time to end it now

Mother of missing Marokopa children releases letter from fugitive father
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June 19, 2024 8:33pm
Ghost

Bloody hell.

Imagine being told you have incurable cancer. And, for 10 weeks, you undergo invasive medical procedures, plan your funeral and prepare to say goodbye to your loved ones. Only to be told, there was a mistake in the pathology lab. And you don’t have cancer after all.

What toll does that take and how does one feel and recover? National correspondent Amanda Gillies spoke to one woman who went through this devastating experience.

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