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Mike

Happy Autistic Pride Day!
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June 18, 2024 8:01am
softail 1450

A serious question with all due respect, will Marama Davidson opt for Rongoa Maori specialists for her care or a boring old run of the mill oncologist from our hospital system ?
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June 18, 2024 8:08am
- pdm
  
  No softy – she will avail herself of every colonialism benefit available to her.
  
  She started with a mammogram to be followed by surgery (apparently), with a sharp scalpel, followed by radiation and probably chemotherapy.
  
  No concoctions of manuka and kowhai leaves boiled on a fire started by rubbing two sticks together for Marama.
  
  Then once she is back in Parliament she will condemn colonialism with her usual venom.
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:47am
  - Souvlaki
    
    We can only hope no ‘ cis white males’ involved at all in her care!🤞🤞
    
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    June 18, 2024 8:51am
  - Surely Knott
    
    The cancer was found early due to a routine Mammogram. Fantastic to hear as a Maori woman she was able to access healthcare the same as others.
    
    Will she be fast tracked for surgery due to her ethnicity?
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:00am
    - softail 1450
      
      Surely Knott, Fortunately for the green caucus they don’t have to undergo regular radiotherapy for ‘brain existence’, every last one of them would fail .
      
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      June 18, 2024 10:39am
    - pdm
      
      Probably using that Colonial construct, Health Insurance, to go Private.
      
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      June 18, 2024 2:01pm
    - Sacha
      
      She probably has health insurance and no waiting lists at private hospitals!
      But guess where she’ll end up if there are any complications?
      
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      June 19, 2024 10:33am
  - softail 1450
    
    pdm ,LMFAO 😂
    
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    June 18, 2024 10:31am
  - MCōs
    
    The mammogram originated in Germany and chemotherapy in America, neither of which colonized NZ. Apart from that they arrived at our shores after colonial days.
    
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    June 18, 2024 1:15pm
    - wsk12345
      
      Wouldn’t have arrived or been funded without colonisation.
      
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      June 18, 2024 1:36pm
    - NoFax
      
      But Americans and Germans were both and still are colonizers. I thought she would shun anything from them. I guess there is no equivalent BDS movement aimed at the US. Funny how that works out that way.
      
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      June 18, 2024 1:36pm
    - MCōs
      
      The chap who effectively invented mammograms was Albert Solomon in pre war Germany. Being Jewish he was dismissed from the University of Berlin in 1933 and after a period in a concentration camp went to Holland where he was again imprisoned until he escaped in 1943.
      He continued his work in Holland after the war.
      His daughter was murdered by the Germans at Auschwitz. His wife committed suicide.
      I don’t think he owed much allegiance to Germany
      
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      June 18, 2024 3:33pm
- mandk
  
  She should probably opt for Rongoa Māori.
  
  A kawakawa leaf infusion can work wonders.
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I was disappointed that she took the opportunity yesterday to complain about “inequality” in the health system. It seemed the wrong tine.
  
  IMO it was also over the top for the entire Green caucus to be standing next to her for the big announcement. Maybe it is a cultural thing I don’t understand. I would have thought that a media statement announcing the diagnosis, and the plan, and requesting privacy would have been sufficient.
  
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  June 18, 2024 9:02am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yes,
    And the drama of an urgent press conference to announce something she has known of for some days was odd.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:08am
    - rouppe
      
      A waiata is required for anything Maori.
      
      Think of it as a Green Party version of that.
      
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      June 18, 2024 12:14pm
    - MCōs
      
      Can’t do anything right as far as you’re concerned
      Give it a bit of thought
      She has to figure out what’s happening next with the oncologist and settle on a timetable
      And she has to let her family know before they read about it second hand on TikTok or somewhere
      Then she has to let the party know so they can decide how to proceed. She probably has some friends to tell and the PM and whoever else needs to know in parliament
      As an aside the Greens are not in government. She’s not in cabinet like the last two MPs who were afflicted with cancer.
      Cancer is most unpleasant, both the disease and the treatment, and the last thing those thus afflicted want is people taking the opportunity to beat them over the head if they don’t react the way they think they should.
      
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      June 18, 2024 4:04pm
      - Ghost
        
        Sadly it shows people’s true colours. Whether you like her as a politician or not this is a woman, a wife, a mother who has just found out she has breast cancer. If you can’t hold compassion for her then try shutting up instead of making yourself look like everything you claim she is.
        
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        June 18, 2024 8:20pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        MCos and Ghost, agree with sentiments. I don’t agree with pretty much anything she says on the political front, but no one deserves to go through cancer. I wish her a speedy and successful recovery and return to her family.
        
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        June 19, 2024 3:54am
  - cmm
    
    Yes there is inequality:
    * Maori have more access to healthcare.
    * Maori also abuse the system more:
    – more likely to abuse staff and demand “their rights”
    – less likely to follow instructions and take medicines etc
    – less likely to show up for appointments.
    * Maori are also more likely to indulge in health destroying practices such as smoking and alcohol abuse.
    
    Of course they won’t get equal outcomes.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:13am
  - virtualmark
    
    Surely a journalist who was good at their job would have immediately asked her for details about how her medical care was in any way different or sub-standard because of these “inequalities”.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:18am
    - peterwn
      
      But that would be gaslighting a person in a vulnerable situation.
      
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      June 18, 2024 9:50am
    - kowtow
      
      Challenging questions are reserved for the media’s opponents .
      
      Look at how Tame the Lame pulls his punches with some and then yaps constantly at anything in blue or yellow .
      
      Did anyone in te media ever question her cis white male violence claim.
      
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      June 18, 2024 11:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All of the Greens there just for show. See the wimpy sad face of Chloe?
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:40am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Davidson looked oddly excited. The rest of them just looked odd.
      
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      June 18, 2024 1:14pm
      - pdm
        
        Very odd.
        
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        June 18, 2024 2:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Might be excited like the nervous person laugh.
        If all true it is one hell of a shock. It was for me when the specialist told me the biopsy result.
        
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        June 18, 2024 4:08pm
  - rouppe
    
    It’s not disappointing, is hypocritical.
    
    She’s had access to the publicly funded screening, she used it, and is now getting publicly funded oncology.
    
    She should have used it to celebrate the public health system as it has demonstrably worked.
    
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    June 18, 2024 12:17pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She is already suggesting Māori and Pacifica in her situation don’t get care, as expected this will be used to attack the government, so she was seen late May and will have partial removal in early July, what does she think any other woman gets that’s better than that
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:25am
  - pdm
    
    `She is already suggesting Māori and Pacifica in her situation don’t get care,’
    
    Seems to have been processed very quickly and efficiently for her.
    
    Priority maybe?
    Strings pulled?
    
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    June 18, 2024 2:06pm
- rjay
  
  It was brought to Aotearoa by the white man. It needs the white man’s magic to remove the curse.
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:53am
- judith8409121
  
  yes – hold her up to her standards – she needs to de-colonise by using matarangi forms of treatment what ever that is – if this is not her first port of call she should never play this game again and be ridiculed
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:45pm
Scooter

I don’t know what’s more embarrassing the NZDF plane breaking down or Chris Luxon passionately hugging everyone off the bus with someone whooping and waving in the background. Not to mention they look like the walking wounded as they get off the bus. We are becoming a joke.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/519820/business-delegation-travelling-with-pm-finally-arrives-in-japan
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June 18, 2024 8:11am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Very odd. 😳 The hugging I mean. 🤡
  
  These planes are beyond a joke.
  
  The RAAF has been running two Boeing business jets for more than 20 years.
  
  https://www.airforce.gov.au/aircraft/737-boeing-business-jet
  
  Yes it might seem like a lot of money but bought new, they will last for at least 25 years. Or they can pick a slightly used one.
  
  The problem now is that normal procurement processes will mean that it will take years, not months, for replacements to arrive. A second problem is that the air force wants planes that can multi task, eg carry 180 troops. That makes procurement even more complicated.
  
  All this points to an interim solution. Lease a medium size plane that can be used while a permanent solution is found.
  
  Finally, it is interesting that United and Delta still operate over 100 Boeing 757 airplanes, many of them as old as the RNZAF planes. Most of them are in the air every day, transporting folk across the USA and to Europe.
  
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  June 18, 2024 9:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I don’t know what is happening with the broken plane. It is either back at Whenuapai or they are getting the other one tuned up.
    Quite a bit of activity at Whenuapai this morning.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They said on the news the plane would be vback in Whenuapai today
      
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      June 18, 2024 10:28am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Had a look on Flight Radar 24. The other 757 seems to be near Brisbane now.
        
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        June 18, 2024 12:21pm
  - greybeard
    
    These breakdowns are so regular and expected that you could even think they were sabotage.
    
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    June 18, 2024 10:06am
    - Don Beckett
      
      You can buy a brand new Boeing 777 for around $460 mil., or a good second hand one for around $360 mil.
      Why are w messing around with old unreliable 757’s ?
      
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      June 18, 2024 10:37am
      - Dairy Flat
        
        As Benedict says, the 757 is very commonly still used in the USA and is a well respected aircraft with good performance. Why the RNZAF seems to have regular problems with theirs is curious and does suggest that maintenance quality might be an issue. Of course it’s always possible they bought a couple of dogs from a dodgy dealer.
        
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        June 18, 2024 11:07am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        Air New Zealand have 8 787-10’s on order since 2019 and have deferred delivery a couple of times. Surely with some foresight the government could have tacked on one or two to the order? List price is $292 million but Air NZ will be getting a good discount on that
        
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        June 18, 2024 11:34am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Buying a new commercial plane is not going to work. Both Boeing and Airbus now have 10 year wait lists for most of their planes.
        
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        June 18, 2024 12:13pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Dairy Flat,
        
        Maybe NZ is using Chinese parts because they are cheaper? No sarc.
        
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        June 18, 2024 12:23pm
    - notreadyet
      
      i think lack of regular use could be part of the problem, wouldnt think it a maintenance problem as such
      
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      June 18, 2024 12:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        No lack of use around Whenuapai. Always something happening, then sometimes they get more active. Not just 757s, C130s and Orions?
        
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        June 18, 2024 4:30pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Sell the old ones, fly commercial, problem solved
    
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    June 18, 2024 10:26am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Flying commercial” does not always work, especially with a large delegation. Have you ever tried for fly commercial to Fiji, then Papua NG, then Japan, then Europe, with several meetings every day and 40 people with you?
      
      New Zealand PMs are unique in that they almost always use commercial flights to fly domestically, and often internationally if there is no large delegation and they are flying on dense routes. Contrast that to Australia. No PM has used a commercial flight in 50 years, not even for the 30 minute flight between Sydney and Canberra.
      
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      June 18, 2024 12:19pm
      - Flossie
        
        Part of the entourage is a kapa haka group??
        
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        June 18, 2024 2:00pm
      - Ghost
        
        All I’ve seen is he is travelling with a business group of over 30 business people, no mention of a kappa haka group
        
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        June 18, 2024 2:41pm
      - MCōs
        
        Neither have I, but when Hipkins was there last year a group went along as proved to be a big hit. Much as some would like to think otherwise
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/03-07-2023/culture-over-commerce-selling-aotearoa-new-zealand-inc-to-china#148
        
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        June 18, 2024 5:04pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    If they leased a plane from Air NZ instead of using an air force one, surely that plane could be operating regularly on a regional route when the PM doesn’t need it.
    
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    June 18, 2024 10:43am
    - KH
      
      Buy two, or three, 320s same as AirNZ. Shag em around just a bit to make them defence usable.
      Have AirNZ maintain them, with all the advantage of doing that as part of a big fleet.
      
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      June 18, 2024 11:12am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Air New Zealand is desperately short of planes. It has had to suspend some routes because of this shortage.
      
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      June 18, 2024 12:21pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Not sure I would be buying a Boeing…
    Just lease a couple of Airbus
    Perhaps the A321 Long Range version
    Long range and versatility
    https://www.airbus.com/en/products-services/commercial-aircraft/passenger-aircraft/a320-family
    
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    June 18, 2024 11:26am
  - M.Solvent
    
    True Benedict – United and Delta’s 757s are more reliable because they are in constant use, and the airlines have a large stock of parts within a short flight of any airport they operate to. I fear that any replacement aircraft chosen by NZDF will face similar issues to the current 757s, unless they choose an aircraft type that is operated by Air NZ and come to an agreement with Air NZ on engineering/ parts.
    
    Even if they start a procurement process for a new aircraft now it will be years before delivery due to order backlogs at Boeing and Airbus. Qantas is leasing A330s from Finnair for the next 6 years until they can receive delivery of new aircraft. Leasing is really the only option in the shorter term.
    
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    June 18, 2024 11:31am
- backster
  
  The whooper and wavers in the background were probably members of the Kapi Haka party.
  
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  June 18, 2024 9:51am
- Paulus
  
  I understand that in PNG when waiting to get out was a very good time for Business people to both mix and get to know each other better (40 odd I believe).
  But stupid little media (sic) girl reporter was bitching like hell as to why she was not there with Luxon (to complain about whatever he says).
  The irony she says who is going to pay for her to get back to New Zealand from Tokyo, as will be a schedule flight.
  Tax payer she says – typical media !
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:43am
  - Quail
    
    Reply all re air transport.
    The RNZAF has to answer as to their maintenance schedules, and efficiency thereof .
    It is amazing that Hercules have been trundling around the world for more than half a century and appear to be pretty reliable .
    Similar Boeings are flying regularly in private hands, apparently reliably .
    Could it just be that any NZ Government run / maintained outfit is doomed to fail?
    We have the examples of the Cook Strait ferries to consider as well.
    The RNZAF must accept responsibility!
    
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    June 18, 2024 12:02pm
    - mudrunner
      
      No the C130’s were not pretty reliable. Many times I have been C130 passenger and had delays or bad arrivals. That was quite a few years ago, so with increased age thay would be worse.
      
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      June 18, 2024 12:16pm
- imalwaysright
  
  He looks like a tour guide who managed to get another bus load into the bingo hall.
  
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  June 18, 2024 11:48am
- rouppe
  
  John Travolta flies a 1988-era 737.
  
  He flew a 707 until recently.
  
  Quite why the rnzaf can’t keep the 757 in good condition is surprising
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:27pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Sounds like the guy he hugged was Luxon personal friend, does this really matter when Ardern use to hug complete strangers because she had no idea what she was doing
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:58pm
- Ghost
  
  What’s wrong with him hugging someone? The joke is this stupid post, oh no luxon gave a man a hug.
  
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  June 18, 2024 1:05pm
- bartybart
  
  looked looked an intermediate school camp
  
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  June 18, 2024 1:21pm
Chuck Bird

I am not sure of all the details but NZF are not happy with tranies getting funding while competing against real women.
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June 18, 2024 8:15am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Men get seriously injured and very occasionally die playing other men in contact sports, it seems logical that women will be more likely to get injured playing
  men dressing as women in contact sports. At what stage does this also become a safety liability issue as well as a fairness issue that cannot be ignored by the sports clubs.
  
  If Bishop has refused to get involved, then he should make it clear why this is the case.
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:28am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    It is already a safe issue.
    
    A smart womens group would sue their sports association for endangerment – there is lots of evidence about men v women muscle mass, bone density and speed available to demonstrate heightened risk to females playing males in contact sports.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:09am
    - mandk
      
      Can’t remember her name or that of the organisation she represents, but Hosking this morning quoted a woman who had a particularly apt slogan:
      
      “We play sports with our bodies, not our gender identities”
      
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      June 18, 2024 10:15am
      - zulumonster
        
        It’s a variation of the Time, Cost Quality triangle, with Fairness, Safety and Equity in their place.
        If you exclude Equity you can have the other two, if you include Equity you don’t have either of the others.
        Equity is the fairy tale trope that we have to treat transgenders as somehow exempt from common sense and science.
        
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        June 18, 2024 3:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fairies should not be playing with girls.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:54am
- imalwaysright
  
  I can’t understand why competitors and spectators don’t boycott any event that has a tranny playing.
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:46am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Because the administrators will punish any women who cause trouble. At elite levels that can mean loss of a sporting career.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:27am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      They can’t punish everyone. Sooner or later they would have to come to terms with having no female competitors only blokes in female attire people couldn’t help but notice.
      
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      June 18, 2024 10:05am
      - Paulus
        
        Having been here for only over 50 years I find that the gap between men and women has widened to an extent never seen or envisaged before.
        And it is getting worse.
        Why is it appears that the media like to only interview solo mothers –
        I wish I knew how many of them are, but it appears an enormous number receiving particular benefits, and complaining to the media as a result.
        
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        June 18, 2024 10:50am
  - wsk12345
    
    I didn’t either until I listened to a Riley Gaines interview with Rogan. In the US basically every college athlete is on scholarship – worth say $100 k per annum. Their contract requires them to compete and does not allow any media interviews without “guidance” (direction) from the college. And if they bring the college into “disrepute” they lose their scholarship.
    
    It was a great listen – she was there at the start of this BS when William (Lia) Thomas started racing. Initially they didn’t know she was a bloke until they turned up at a meet and he flaunted his tackle in the changing room. In one All American race (a really big deal) they drew exactly to the 1/100 that of a second and they gave him the trophy because he was the battler. That was when she spoke out.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:29am
- pdm
  
  Chuck it is not often I agree with Peters or even NZFirst.
  
  I stand strongly with him on this one.
  
  Just because some men choose to wear a dress they are still men.
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:51am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    As someone here said, if you got a dick you are not a chick.
    
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    June 18, 2024 8:53am
    - Swifty
      
      So they are if they have said dick removed?
      
      The whole point of gender critical thinking Chuck is that it doesn’t matter what medical interventions men have, or how they present themselves, they are and will always remain men.
      
      Their maleness is literally in their bones and cells and nothing is ever going to change that.
      
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      June 18, 2024 8:57am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Nope Swifty, they are just a man with his pecker cut off.
        
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        June 18, 2024 9:18am
      - MCōs
        
        I have a Thai brother in law whose daughter used to be his son. I never knew her as as a male and wouldn’t know if I hadn’t been told.
        I never hear anyone grumble about the choice she made and her parents often pop over to Munich to visit her
        Life goes on.
        
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        June 18, 2024 9:41am
      - Swifty
        
        Exactly IVV.
        
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        June 18, 2024 9:53am
      - Swifty
        
        MCos, should your relative be eligible for women’s academic prizes and grants, eligible to compete against women in sports, be eligible for govt funding for women’s initiatives, represent women on public bodies, be permitted to enter women only spaces, be counted as a woman in medical surveys and statistical analyses etc etc?
        
        I’d welcome your view on these thorny legal issues.
        
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        June 18, 2024 9:58am
      - wsk12345
        
        I compete in an individual sport at an amateur level, in which there is also a bloke pretending to be a woman who doesn’t compete (or if she enters events, she cruises). When I first met ‘her’ (as was then), i just thought she was a phenomenal athlete, higher, harder, fearless and wondered why she didn’t compete. She was clearly better than all the women.
        
        “She” has been calling herself a woman for 20 years and only her original friends knew. I heard when i was extolling her skills at a party….I do events with her, even shared a room with her on one away trip. But she doesn’t undress in front of us (or stick around when we do), nor does she use her hormones to destroy us in competition. As such, I have no issue with her. She does not appear deluded, nor particularly feminine. I don’t get it but I actually don’t care. Apparently as a bloke, she was very much average.
        
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        June 18, 2024 11:39am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        MCOs, the issue is in competing in women’s sports – where many are still intact men.
        It is not about if a sex change is accepted inside a family.
        
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        June 18, 2024 1:57pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        wsk12345, I presume you compete as a female too, being that you shared a room?
        But a casual entry into amateur sports (cruising, as you say) is not like trying to set state, national or Olympic records or push women aside: when a mediocre man starts breaking female records in a competition they take in all seriousness.
        Participation & friendly, OK, but injuring women in contact or shoving aside women from the podium, Nope.
        
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        June 18, 2024 2:01pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      And as my gran used to say Chuck….”If there’s an Apple, there’s a Banana”
      
      😛
      
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      June 18, 2024 9:08am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But nowadays you can shave the apple and peel the banana.
        
        (I won’t attach links to chondrolaryngoplasty or penile inversion vaginoplasty, as I’m enjoying my morning tea).
        
        [Mod – thank you, I’d like to keep my coffee down too]
        
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        June 18, 2024 10:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If you paint stripes on a cow, it is not a zebra.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:57am
- Matt Long
  
  National, “we’ve had no reports from women about concerns with trans athletes.”
  Sport NZ, “If any athletes raise concerns about trans athletes we recommend disciplinary action.”
  Chief Whosemoralsarelastix in Asterix and the Cauldron, “I am a patriot, I always charge my Roman. Customers twice as much as my Gaulish customers.”
  Also Chief Whosemoralsarelastix, “Unfortunately none of my customers are Gauls.”
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:38am
Hugh Jarse

Tova having a crack at Luxon in Stuff this morning over the RNZAF 757 replacement citing Andrew Little raising this with Luxon. However a read of the artical shows that Little also wrote to Robertson prior to the 2023 budget pushing the case for replacement which was ignored, further states he raised it with Hipkins and Luxon, but is not clear whether this was prior to the last election or after. By the way Robertson failed to respond to Little or to questions on the subject. But it’s all Luxons fault.
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June 18, 2024 8:18am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I expect nothing from people like Tova O’B. Amelia Wade uses Christopher Luxons’ name like an epithet.
  She spits it out like a sour grape everytime she uses it. Never PM Luxon, not Mr. Luxon, not even Christoper Luxon, just a sour ‘LUXON’ like he is some sort of cancerous demon.
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:37am
  - stewmar
    
    Make Sherman is the same, it’s shameful and her bosses should forbid her from being so disrespectful to our democratically elected PM
    
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    June 18, 2024 10:05am
    - Taieri
      
      our democratically elected PM
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      Our PM is not democratically elected. We do not vote for the PM. We vote for the party he/she is the leader of.
      
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      June 18, 2024 10:45am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He was democratically elected because of the Nats bite, as simple as that, what else would you call it
        
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        June 18, 2024 1:00pm
      - wairarapapaul
        
        But you do know who is going to be the PM before you vote.
        
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        June 18, 2024 7:33pm
  - Taieri
    
    Never PM Luxon, not Mr. Luxon, not even Christoper Luxon, just a sour ‘LUXON’ like he is some sort of cancerous demon
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    Just as most of the Kiwiblog posts referring to a certain former PM as “Ardern”.
    
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    June 18, 2024 10:48am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      Bursting your bubble but folk commenting on here aren’t nationally recognised TV political reporters.
      
      That said Wades’ audience is almost as small as her mind and her level of professionalism.
      
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      June 18, 2024 1:04pm
      - pdm
        
        I will help you there blog-a.
        
        I have never to my knowledge seen Wade.
        
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        June 18, 2024 2:18pm
    - Taieri
      
      Bursting your bubble but folk commenting on here aren’t nationally recognised TV political reporters.
      ———
      
      Makes no difference.
      
      I refer to Ardern as Ardern, Luxon as Luxon and so on. That’s what their last names are. If I knew them personally I’d refer to them by their first names.
      
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      June 18, 2024 2:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    Media called jacinda by ardern. We had Key and Clark.
    
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    June 18, 2024 10:52am
    - wsk12345
      
      It’s not the name – it’s the tone, the way they spit out his name as if it tastes nasty.
      
      Unlike Ardern who they fawned over.
      
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      June 18, 2024 1:44pm
- Mike
  
  I didn’t read it that way. Little had raised the need in the early stages of Budget 2024, and sensibly suggested some bipartisan agreement on the need would be useful. This went nowhere is the election period and then Little was out of office.
  The article does take the tone that the only use for the 757s is VIP transport. The VIP role is not the primary reason to have two jet airliners, it is just the only part of the rationale that gets media and political attention.
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:47am
  - peterwn
    
    They were used to transport a certain ‘supermax’ prisoner a few years ago. That gave a whole new meaning to ‘VIP’.
    The underlying purpose of the two 757’s is they are part of NZ defence capability. However if they keep breaking down they are not really fit for purpose.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:58am
    - Paulus
      
      There are thousands of good modern aircraft available world wide for Charter.
      Why not get an almost new one and just paint it.
      Charter the crew if necessary.
      Am told however that RNZAF crews are not rated for such aircraft and the MOD remain firmly as to their decision to embarrass the elected Government.
      
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      June 18, 2024 10:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    How could Little do that ffs, he retorted from politics on election night, when did he ever do any bipartisan work for budget 2024?
    
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    June 18, 2024 10:35am
- kowtow
  
  Serious question here .
  
  When did ,other than the great USA Satan war lord of the Oval Office , other heads of state/govt start travelling in their equivalents of Air Farce One ?
  
  I have a vague recollection of that low life war criminal Tony Bliar wanting one .
  
  Didn’t they all get about in commercial ‘planes from their domestic carriers .
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:55am
  - virtualmark
    
    The RAF runs an Airbus A330 and two Dassault Falcon executive jets.
    
    The RCAF runs an Airbus A330 and four Bombardier executive jets (made in Canada).
    
    The RAAF runs two Boeing 737 BBJs and three Dassault Falcon executive jets.
    
    It’s normal and sensible to use your Air Force to run the VIP transports for your government, mainly because of security requirements.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:16am
    - kowtow
      
      Thank you for reply but the question was since when.
      
      These second rate powers seem to want to ape the Americans .
      I can see why the USA does it ,given the importance of the Nuclear Button man , their wealth and influence and sheer ability to carry it off .
      
      The rest of them, I’m not so sure , I just get the feeling they’re wannabe followers of fashion .
      
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      June 18, 2024 11:44am
      - virtualmark
        
        AFAIK the US was the first country to do it, during World War II. They had a Pan-Am Clipper flying boat that was basically nationalised and used as the first “Air Force One”.
        
        AFAIK the other Anglo countries, at least, starting doing it as long-distance air travel became common. So about early-1950s?
        
        It’s important on two fronts. First, flexibility. The President/Prime Ministers time is limited and you don’t want to waste it waiting at airports for inconvenient flights and transfers. Second, and more importantly, security. You want details of the President/Prime Ministers travel to be as private as possible, and you want that person to be able to be contactable and to work while they travel.
        
        Hypothetical: Let’s say the Australian PM always travels on commercial aircraft and we all know they’re attending a major international security conference. Do you think the Chinese might book spies on every possible commercial aircraft travelling on that route at that time?
        
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        June 18, 2024 1:57pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Indeed. The idea that Luxon needs to use a military plane to fly here and there is ridiculous, as silly as the idea he needs to take a full kapa haka group with him or worse, fly with a cadre of NZ media.
    
    No, we’d rather have the embarrassing spectacle of the same bloody planes breaking down with grass-skirted natives leaping around on the tarmac while activist reporters hiss and spit into the microphones about how bad the PM looks, and for once they’d be right.
    
    Fly first class and get there on time. It’ll be cheaper and the flight attendants will be better dressed.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:17am
    - MCōs
      
      When the PM flys somewhere it’s basically to sign something already hammered out in advance and there’s no point in going if the media isn’t there to record the glorious occasion
      It’s up to the PM to look good and not fluff his lines and that includes turning up on time.
      
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      June 18, 2024 10:02am
    - Sacha
      
      Is there a passenger list for the PMs trip to Japan?
      I can understand the business corps being in attendance, but the media and kapa haka groups aren’t necessary.
      Media can fund themselves.
      Kapa haka groups should only go at the invitation of the host country, who would sponsor their travel and accomodation while on tour.
      As it is – who pays the accomodation for these people. And the airfares? What are the costs accrued in the preparation for the tour performances?
      
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      June 18, 2024 10:33am
      - Paulus
        
        I did not realise that the media and the kapa haka people do not contribute any costs to their seats on the Taxpayer aircraft, and food and drink.
        Do they pay for their accomodati0n and other transport ?
        As they are employees of n0n Government organisations why should they not pay commercial rates !
        About time this was changed.
        
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        June 18, 2024 1:39pm
    - wsk12345
      
      and the good thing about flying commercial – all the maori singers and media could pay their own way or stay home!
      
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      June 18, 2024 11:41am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No not true. Nearly all heads of state have used VIP airplanes for decades..
    
    For example the Australian PM would never travel on a commercial plane, including for domestic travel in Australia. It has been that way for decades.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:35am
    - Handyman
      
      I think it was President Bush who pointed out to QE2 that he, as president, can use Air Force One for travel.
      “Do you have the same plane in England?”
      “No”, the Queen replied. “We use One’s Air Force”.
      
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      June 18, 2024 10:33am
    - alwyn.a
      
      A minor point but neither the Australian or New Zealand Prime Ministers are heads of state.
      
      I have memories of flying from New Zealand to London in 1973. Another passenger was Hugh Watt who was, at the time, the Deputy PM. He was travelling in Economy class, not up the front in the First Class cabin. That was only a couple of years after the Prime Minister of the time, Keith Holyoake, had his home phone number listed in the Wellington phone book and there was a good chance he would answer the phone himself.
      Ah, those were the days.
      
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      June 18, 2024 11:01am
      - Handyman
        
        Quite right. Our actual head of state flies British Airways out of UK and Qantas or AirNZ into Australia or New Zealand.
        
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        June 18, 2024 11:15am
      - lifesgood
        
        Muldoon lived in a very ordinary, very busy suburban street. Eveyone knew his house but I never saw security outside. Same for David Lange, he lived in a basic house in a dodgy area. The world has changed, sadly
        
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        June 18, 2024 12:31pm
    - kowtow
      
      Decades ?
      
      Certainly not the Poms .
      
      2015.
      
      ‘The prime minister and other senior ministers are to get their own plane for official trips. Why are leaders’ aircraft so controversial, asks Jon Kelly.’
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34867739
      
      Tell ya who did have his own back in the ’30’s ……3 even , Ju 52s , which he later upgraded …..
      
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      June 18, 2024 1:24pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        You are misreading the article. This bit is key:
        
        “It is reported that the new arrangement would cost £2,000 per flying hour, compared with an average £6,700 to use either Royal Squadron planes or a long-haul charter.”
        
        The debate was not about a dedicated VIP plane vs commercial flying. The latter was never a thing.
        
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        June 18, 2024 2:07pm
      - kowtow
        
        Nope .
        
        From wiki
        
        “Historically, only the royal family had dedicated aircraft; government ministers flew on commercial flights, rented private jets, or occasionally RAF-operated flights.[citation needed] Proposals to provide a new dedicated VIP transport aircraft, for governmental or royal use, were first mooted in 1998.[14] However, in March 2009 a proposal for a £7 million 12-seater private jet plans were halted by recession.[15] In November 2015, it was announced the government would fit VIP seating to one of the nine[16] core fleet of RAF Airbus Voyager tanker / transport aircraft for the use of senior government officials and members of the royal family.[“
        
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        June 18, 2024 2:20pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  How could Luxon get questioned by Little, he retired on election night, what is this woman trying to suggest? Is she saying Little went to Luxon as opposition leader expecting these things fixed
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:33am
artemisia

‘Granny flats’ are better known as minor dwellings. According to the 2018 census 1 in 9 New Zealanders live in a crowded house, many in Auckland.

Loosening up rules and costs for minor dwellings is a useful option. Even the publicity around fewer rules and barriers for ‘granny flats’ will help if even some home owners see it as a possibility for their large back yard, rather than a complicated impossible dream. Of course, a new minor dwelling is also a source of rent to add to household income, and increased value.

Minister Bishop said it is not a housing silver bullet, but chipping away at costly regs has to be a good thing. Once implemented, if it is, issues may arise and they can actually then be dealt with. Compared to pausing everything until perfection is achieved, also known as do nothing in case something goes wrong, oh no.
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June 18, 2024 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Neighbour has just done that to house his parents. Nearly finished.
  Compliance is beyond ridiculous.
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:21am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, but the new build still needs to be build to code
    
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    June 18, 2024 10:41am
- pdm
  
  We built a 60m2 Granny Flat on our section in Waipawa in the mid 1980’s for my inlaws to live in. It was part of a Housing Corp scheme. It freed up a 4 bedroomed State House on half an acre for a family to live in.
  
  When we sold up Housing Corp (or their equivalent) came and removed the flat to another property.
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:57am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They still must be built to spec, I can’t see anything going wrong unless a builder cuts corners, then they put their selves in danger of being charged, the left are spouting ghetto, slums, why would a person want to build a slum or a ghetto on their property, utterly pathetic. This will not only help price and timing, but it frees up RMA for real RMA needs
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:40am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Well, that’s the end of tiny houses
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:00pm
Bridgenag

The “Evils of Whiteness”
Yet another element of the secular religion

“Since Conservative organizations aren’t engaged in a well-coordinated response to the Left’s mendaciousness, it signals the Left that they can get away with pushing the boundaries even further. Like a child testing the resolve of their parents, this will continue until they get appropriate resistance, or they succeed in attaining their goals.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/criticallythinking/p/the-evils-of-whiteness?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 18, 2024 8:47am
Pope Punctilious II

The HRC has just reminded us why they need to disappear, by calling for mandatory reporting of “ethnic pay gaps”. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/519739/call-for-government-to-include-ethnicity-when-tackling-pay-gap

We know how this will work. If the government is silly enough to agree to mandatory reporting, the next step will be activist demands for organizations to be fined if they don’t reduce gap gaps.

This is a fool’s errand. Considering ethnic disparities in educational achievement and acquisition of employable skills, ethnic “pay gaps” are totally unsurprising. But contemporary left dogma is that inequality of outcome can only mean discrimination.

Seymour has a few silly ideas, but abolishing the HRC isn’t one of them. If the Nats are serious about cutting government spending, why continue to fund this mouthpiece of woke propaganda? The HRC isn’t merely a benign tumour – far from it.
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June 18, 2024 8:49am
- cmm
  
  As soon as the productivity gap disappears the pay gap will disappear overnight.
  
  If we’re paying more, but getting less, then it means every other NZer is subsidising them.
  
  You’re paying more, and you’re getting paid less, so that your Pasifika mates can get paid more without providing more value.
  
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  June 18, 2024 9:47am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Employers should be free to offer any pay rate to any individual.
    
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    June 18, 2024 12:35pm
- Damocles11
  
  Hillary Rodham Clinton?
  
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  June 18, 2024 9:50am
- Swifty
  
  I quite agree.
  
  State-coerced mandatory reporting of pay gaps will lead to league tables and the vilification and targeting of employers who are guilty of nothing more than providing jobs to people.
  
  Yes, instead of celebrating and being appreciative of employers providing a living for hundreds and hundreds of thousands of New Zealand families we instead will choose to damn and slur and label them as racists or haters of women.
  
  I’m just ashamed of the views of some New Zealanders. They sicken me.
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:26am
kiwikidsnz

Trigger warning
“Ardern will lead the Field Fellowship, a new programme for emerging leaders, where she hopes to “rehumanise leadership” and “bring more hope and optimism into politics”.

The programme will connect and support those that embrace an alternative form of leadership.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/dame-jacinda-ardern-to-lead-new-programme-designed-to-challenge-and-change-the-status-quo-of-politics/EBSYGUXIXVHYBIP3GGTZRZMEUE/
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June 18, 2024 8:50am
- Swifty
  
  Well, if it keeps her out of the country then that’s a good thing.
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:59am
  - cmm
    
    The bigger question is whether she will stay out of our pockets.
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:44am
    - Drone
      
      cmm you know the answer to that rhetorical question. This is just another layer of political chicanery that along with all the UN/WHO/IPCC groupings (and there are probably more) add a cost charge on ordinary people all over the world. Ask yourself what Labour’s Wellbeing budget of 2022 actual achieved for New Zealanders, and then ask when a group of cuddly nice politicians will be able to persuade Putin to withdraw from the Ukraine or the IDF from Gaza..
      
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      June 18, 2024 3:30pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  “more hope and optimism into politics”. This from the most divisive (and as an aside, utterly inept) leader in NZ political history.
  
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  June 18, 2024 9:23am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I predicted that Jacinda would bring division and despair from Day one. She exceeded my most pessimistic forecast. 😭
    
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    June 18, 2024 9:37am
    - cmm
      
      It is exactly what I was expecting – and we can only expect more because while Cindy has gone, the forces that created her are still here. If anything they are just more entrenched than ever.
      
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      June 18, 2024 9:43am
      - Paulus
        
        Yes, called the Media Party led by men haters.
        
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        June 18, 2024 1:43pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I knew in 2009 that she would be trouble if she got near power. She gave a “COMRADES” speech in Hungary, as President of the International Socialist Youth.
      Youtube has it with a “COMRADES” counter.
      
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      June 18, 2024 11:01am
    - wsk12345
      
      I thought she was a total flake, from the time way back when she used to appear on Breakfast. But her incompetence has been way beyond my wildest nightmares.
      
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      June 18, 2024 11:45am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah but she can bullshit and waffle well.
        
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        June 18, 2024 4:32pm
- Taieri
  
  Ardern will lead the Field Fellowship
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  The tank has been refuelled?
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It was never empty. She is a pathological liar you know. She ran because the lies caught up with her. Tank empty was yet another lie.
    
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    June 18, 2024 11:04am
  - John Loveridge
    
    It’s not a real job, Taieri.
    
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    June 18, 2024 1:56pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  Really? What a load of idealogical crap! And her record in NZ of bringing more hope and optimism in politics has brought our country to its knees in economic and, if we are to believe the news media, social terms. HAH!
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The position will be Wellington based, let’s hope she tries to poke her nose in, she is hated by most it will only lose Hipkins support
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:43am
  - pdm
    
    G – Hipkins is well capable of losing support on his own.
    
    I heard most of an hour he had with Kerre Woodham this morning. He was bloody hopeless.
    
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    June 18, 2024 2:27pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He always is bloody hopeless
      
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      June 18, 2024 2:51pm
- Damocles11
  
  ‘Hope and optimism’….yeah, great..and where’s the substance behind it? Hope is not a strategy. Hope won’t build 100,000 houses or ‘light rail for Auckland’. Hope won’t ‘end child poverty’. She set this country on a path to racial separatism and now we ‘hope’ we can avoid the total disintegration of our nation. And some of us aren’t ‘optimistic’ as to our chances. She is the very definition of airy fairy, all mouth no trousers. Did a runner as soon as it was clear house prices were falling and the economy was tanking, left ‘Chippy’ to be the fall guy.
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:32pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hope is the wish she did not fail totally in every single issue
    
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    June 18, 2024 1:02pm
- lifesgood
  
  What a load of tosh. Nothing will change. She is a complete idiot and so are those that are employing her.
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:33pm
- Drone
  
  kiwikidznz, the worst thing is when I clicked the link expecting to not be able to read the article the Herald let me read it. There should have been a better warning..
  
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  June 18, 2024 3:35pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I think DPF should institute a Jew hater warning when certain commentators arrive so we can cross the street to avoid them
    
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    June 18, 2024 4:21pm
Bridgenag

The Pentagon’s “Anti-Vax” Psyops Campaign Against China
Enquiring minds have so many unanswered questions.

In case you missed the Reuters news story, during 2020 and 2021, the Pentagon used fake social media accounts and bot farms to flood Filipinos with messaging about the ineffectiveness of Chinese PPE and China’s Sinovac (COVID-19) vaccine.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/the-pentagons-anti-vax-psyops-campaign?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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- Bridgenag
  
  FYI “A Bot is an automated account programmed to interact like a user on social media. Bots are used to push narratives, amplify misleading messaging, and distort online discourse. The name “bot” came from a shortened version of the name robot.
  
  A Web crawler, which is also called a spiderbot is an automated Internet program that systematically browses the World Wide Web for specific types of information.”
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:53am
Bridgenag

WE don’t need the old fashioned gear to wage war or protect ourselves.

“Political warfare is the art of heartening one’s friends and disheartening one’s enemies. It makes use of ideas, words, images, and deeds to compel or convince friends, foes, or neutrals into cooperation or acquiescence. Effective political warriors know that the best way to prevail in modern ideological conflict is not through killing but through persuasion, cooption, and influence.”

Frank Gaffney, Jr.,
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June 18, 2024 8:58am
Bobba Fret

Well here is a bit of good news for the day. This person will not be re-offending ever. Stupid is as stupid does (or something like that according to Forest Gump).
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/person-cut-from-car-after-high-speed-crash-into-tree-in-papatoetoe/TZGU3ACOMVBXLKULAAVPKKE3R4/
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June 18, 2024 8:59am
- Don Beckett
  
  Good – the gene pool has been saved from his downscaling effect.
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:57am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  I hope the tree is OK
  
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  June 18, 2024 2:05pm
The Redbaiter

Yesterday in his presser, Chris Bishop running through reasons for the short supply of houses and subsequent high prices and increased rents.

He never once touched on one of the main drivers- excessive immigration.

This has been a policy of all govts since and including Helen Clark, exacerbated by the lackadaisical Key and continued with relish by Ardern. Infrastructure and housing has been completely unable to deal with the increases.

Bishop won’t mention it because he thinks someone might call him racist. He’s useless.
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June 18, 2024 9:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Of course Seymour who is the deputy housing minister has mentioned this with aplomb
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:44am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    G the Giant- “Of course Seymour”
    
    Mr G, I am seldom interested in personal interaction, but I just need to put you right on one small misapprehension.
    
    I am not a fan of ACT, as you seem to think, or any politician including those on the perceived center right.
    
    As you clearly haven’t worked it out yet, we the people are on our own. There is no one coming to save us, least of all any of the present parliamentary incumbents.
    
    I’ll say it again. We’re on our own, and our best course is not to look after any particular party or politician, but to treat them all with equal disdain until they are doing something real to free us from the current progressive tyranny.
    
    I’m not for National and I’m not for ACT or even NZ First. I’m trying to look out for myself.
    
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    June 18, 2024 12:16pm
    - Ghost
      
      What a lot of crap just because you either don’t like g saying that Seymour has mention immigration driving up the house prices, Or misread his comment
      
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      June 18, 2024 12:44pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        My argument is Seymour is the deputy housing minister, if he doesn’t support Seymour, then who does he support, his reply he doesn’t support anyone is total bollocks as far as I am concerned
        
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        June 18, 2024 1:09pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Then keep your delusion to your self if you do not support an alternative, there is no other way, what are you wanting? Some sort of big stick waver from above to come ship you clean? As far as I can see this governing trying to fix the last governments mess, I will back them, but who are you to suggest I or others are rusted in Nat voters?
      
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      June 18, 2024 1:07pm
- Damocles11
  
  I think it’s less about worrying someone might call him racist and more about how high immigration has been used by successive governments to keep wages and salaries low, juice GDP figures, and drive up house prices. It happens right across the Western world, particularly in countries that have lost their manufacturing base and now essentially just buy and sell stuff to / from each other internally (houses, petrol, cars, coffees etc).
  Both Left (diversity) and Right (open economy) have found ideological reasons to support mass immigration as well as the basic economic ones, so it seems we are stuck with it.
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:23pm
  - Paulus
    
    Remember we will never get a Free Trade Agreement with India as we do not accept all the Indians who want to come here.
    Many do but small number.
    
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    June 18, 2024 1:46pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Two million’s company, three million’s a crowd?
      
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      June 18, 2024 8:06pm
Surely Knott

Auckland Uni Students AND Staff have received Death Threats over Maori and Pacific spaces according to the Herald and 4 female pro chancellors (gender equity anyone?)

This is an increasingly common tactic we see to silence discussion.

If there were death threats where are they? What did they say? Where is a pic of the email or the letter or video of the verbal threats? Which students were threatened? Have the Death Threats been reported to police? Were they anonymous? Has any student making threats been stood down from the University? Is the University investigating?

Some facts would help with the credibility of this newspaper and organisation.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/talanoa/auckland-university-students-and-staff-faced-death-threats-over-spaces-for-pasifika-and-maori/DIYYOKUCW5HB3CHXL6Q6SYHPLQ/
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June 18, 2024 9:09am
- cmm
  
  Who knows… maybe the apartheid era South Africans were right after all.
  
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  June 18, 2024 9:41am
- Damocles11
  
  ‘Death threats’ is in the playbook as part of painting the Right as deranged extremists. Gollriz was apparently getting constant death threats, but now we hear no more about it.
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:25pm
- kowtow
  
  Yes I see this was reported in te legacy media as “real” threats ,
  
  But when Peni Henare said he was blowing his bugle and letting his gun do the talking that was as far as te media were concerned just rhetoric as he has military history / heritage or some such.
  
  As we know , it’s different when the left do it.
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:38pm
cas

Another quote from why the Germans do it better book. Angela Merkel is quoted as saying you can’t solve the tasks of government with charisma.
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June 18, 2024 9:09am
- Matt Long
  
  You can’t solve the tasks of government with whatever she had either.
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:41am
Maggie Pie

And if any of this surprises you…. you haven’t been paying attention 🙁

Shows just how far are SOME Politicians are prepared to stoop for votes?

https://x.com/LibsofTiktok/status/1802759276705788081
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June 18, 2024 9:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Joe wants the transistor votes.
  
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  June 18, 2024 11:26am
Bobba Fret

As my mother used to say, “A fool and his money, are easily parted”.
https://www.thepress.co.nz/nz-news/350307273/man-loses-100000-plus-honey-trap-affair-charity-boss/?utm_source=stuff_article&utm_medium=referral
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June 18, 2024 9:34am
Chuck Bird

I have just found out how Rod Carr’s replacement will be determined as well as a couple of commissioners. The Climate Change Minister picks those who nominate Carr’s replacement. That means Luxon says there will be no deniers or minimalists but no problem with alarmists.

5 F Establishment and membership of nominating committee

(1) The Minister must establish a committee to nominate candidates to the Minister for appointment as members of the Commission.

(2) The nominating committee must comprise—

(a) the Chairperson of the Commission; and
(b) 4 or more other people who, in the opinion of the Minister, have the relevant skills or experience to identify suitably qualified candidates.

(3) If the position of Chairperson is vacant, the nominating committee must comprise 5 or more people who, in the opinion of the Minister, have the relevant skills or experience to identify suitably qualified candidates.

Section 5F: inserted, on 14 November 2019, by section 8 of the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Act 2019 (2019 No 61).

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0040/latest/LMS281990.html
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June 18, 2024 10:01am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I know that I have pointed this out before to no effect but I will repeat it.
  
  It does not matter much who is the Commissioner. He or she is required by law to administer the Zero Carbon Act. The problem is the Act, not the Climate Change Commissioner.
  
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  June 18, 2024 10:30am
  - Taieri
    
    The problem is the Act, not the Climate Change Commissioner.
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    But the interpretation and application of the Act is up to the Commissioner, so it does matter who is appointed to this august position.
    
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    June 18, 2024 10:41am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No that is simply not correct. It is up to Crown law and the Courts to interpret the Act. The Commissioner has no discretion at all.
      
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      June 18, 2024 12:23pm
      - Taieri
        
        The Commissioner has no discretion at all
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        Whether the Commissioner has a discretion or not is immaterial. Every piece of legislation is open to interpretation and I could quote a multitude of examples here. What matters is how the legislation is applied in practice, that’s why the calibre of the person selected is important. Otherwise Taieri, Benedict, Joe Bloggs or a monkey could become the Commissioner.
        
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        June 18, 2024 2:07pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Acts can be changed.
    
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    June 18, 2024 11:39am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes but that does not negate my point.
      
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      June 18, 2024 12:22pm
  - cmm
    
    BY: How about this…
    
    The problem is with both the act and the commissioner.
    
    Let’s face it, you have to be pretty broken to sign up for the job.
    
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    June 18, 2024 12:21pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      My point is that obsessing about who is the Commissioner is not helpful. The Zero Carbon Act is highly prescriptive. The appointment is totally different to the Reserve bank Governor who has wide and critical powers to determine monetary policy. In contrast the Climate Change Commissioner cannot suddenly decide that New Zealand is not going to meet the Paris Accord obligations. Because he would be breaking the law.
      
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      June 18, 2024 12:26pm
      - cmm
        
        Certainly they can’t change the law, but they could start asking questions. They have significant influence.
        
        If the Climate Change Commissioner was to say: “I’ve done a deep dive into this and based on what I see we should dump the Paris accord.” that would get some cogs in motion.
        
        If the Commissioner is so ham strung they can do nothing then I would suggest there is no purpose in having him/her/zur. Shut down the whole office and save a few $m.
        
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        June 18, 2024 2:06pm
- Paulus
  
  In today’s world we now live in. it will have to be a so called Woman.
  Men are outed all the time now for top positions !
  
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  June 18, 2024 1:49pm
MCōs

Jonah’s greatest test match; 29yrs ago today
https://youtu.be/Un3XOVkJuD4?si=LIA7ehjuOdtDMhe4
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June 18, 2024 10:14am
- H. Upmann
  
  In view of the breaking news this morning, Stephen Bachop was in the thick of it too.
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:01pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    No he wasn’t HU. I think you will find it was Graham playing half back. Terrible news about Stephen’s lad.
    
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    June 18, 2024 5:29pm
Maggie Pie

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon took to ‘X’ and sent Green co-leader Marama Davidson….. “his best wishes for a speedy recovery following her cancer diagnosis”

https://x.com/chrisluxonmp/status/1802502350176931911

The usual array of responses as might be expected.
(Although prompted one wit to ask…. “Would the PM have responded in a similar fashion if Green whip Ricardo March had announced he’d been diagnosed with Monkeypox?”)
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June 18, 2024 10:23am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Monkeypox is self inflicted cancer isn’t.
  
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  June 18, 2024 4:10pm
Benedict Yu

Yes?
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June 18, 2024 10:32am
bythesea

Toby Young from the UK free Speech Union is in NZ with a list of speaking engagements with FSU NZ. See here for the list:
https://www.fsu.nz/upcoming_events

Toby had a fairly in depth video chat with Chris Lynch (ChCh journalist if you have not heard of him). It is on facebook and is about 20 minutes long.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1278078676363428

They discuss hate speech laws / free speech issues for right and left / lockdowns etc
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June 18, 2024 10:49am
- kowtow
  
  Likewise with Plunket this am . Who also had an excellent interview with Ro Edge ,very upset at NZF appearing not to follow up on their promises to end the men in women’s sports nonsense.
  
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  June 18, 2024 1:13pm
sungsamning

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/reformuk/pages/253/attachments/original/1718625371/Reform_UK_Our_Contract_with_You.pdf?1718625371
Reforms Contract.

Here’s a direct link to the Reform Party’s Contract. Read it straight from the source.
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June 18, 2024 11:38am
- Grunter
  
  A decent amount of good stuff. But barely a major ‘Reform’ and to label this ‘hard-right’ (as some do) is laughable.
  
  The net savings of GBP9 billion won’t even create a ripple.
  
  Still, probably the best that could be expected in socialist Britain. Maggie Thatcher would tear this plan to pieces!
  
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  June 18, 2024 1:58pm
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    Agreed. Its better than what Labour, and the con-servatives have to offer though.
    
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    June 18, 2024 5:09pm
sungsamning

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2024/06/17/more-data-confirms-bidens-not-so-secret-2024-advantage-and-republicans-need-to-take-it-seriously-n2640537
More Data Confirms Biden’s Not-So-Secret 2024 Advantage, and Republicans Need to Take It Seriously.

Looking purely at the recent polling, Donald Trump must be considered current favorite to win November’s national election. We’ve explored how his felony convictions in New York City have not altered this overall trajectory, which has appeared to favor the challenger for months now. The oddsmakers and political forecasters seem to agree with this assessment, pegging the 45th president as likelier than not to become the 47th president in various published models.
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June 18, 2024 11:39am
Chuck Bird

For those living in Taupo there is a presentation on about how climate change alarmism affects rates.

https://www.facebook.com/methanescienceaccord
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June 18, 2024 11:41am
- MCōs
  
  I has a niece in Taupo so we’re been there a few times and apart from being a nice place to putter round on the lake we’ve never really figured out the attraction of the place
  Extraordinary property values if their place that they sold is anything to go by
  
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  June 18, 2024 11:59am
  - Jethrod
    
    And living next to the largest potential bang in history ……
    
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    June 18, 2024 8:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pelosi Refused National Guard for Jan 6 While Schumer Blamed Trump.
I have said many times that Pelosi was at the bottom. Schumer could not get the National Guard to respond. Pelosi was sitting right next to him and said nothing!
No video in this post but it is now available on Youtube.

https://rightsideoffers.com/thepoliticalmovement/putting-the-pieces-together-pelosi-refused-national-guard-for-jan-6-while-schumer-blamed-trump/?
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June 18, 2024 12:14pm
- virtualmark
  
  Steve, Steve, we’ve been through this before. Pay attention in the back.
  
  Pelosi, as Speaker of the House, had no authority to either (a) call out the National Guard or (b) refuse to have the National Guard called out. The Speaker of the House has no role in any of those decisions.
  
  Pelosi, as Speaker of the House, did have authority as to whether any National Guard troops could be on the House of Congress site. She did refuse to have any stationed there, because she was concerned Trump was going to create grounds so he could invoke the Insurrection Act and take control of the House of Congress site so as to interrupt the counting of the electoral votes.
  
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  June 18, 2024 2:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So she did or didn’t have authority. You speak in riddles like Ardern did.
    
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    June 18, 2024 4:35pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      She couldn’t call them out but she could have asked for them. But she refused to ask for them because she had TDS. Just like VM.
      So you are right Steve.
      
      VM- putting the capital ‘D’ into Disingenuous since forever.
      
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      June 18, 2024 5:32pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        VM is like Mike. Diversion is the game they play.
        
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        June 18, 2024 5:42pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Oh Red, I see I still live rent-free in your head. Good for you.
        
        But we agree:
        * Nancy Pelosi couldn’t call out the National Guard.
        * She could have asked for them to be called out, but my understanding is she explicitly refused to.
        * From what she’s said the reason she refused to ask for them is because she had concerns about how Trump intended to use them.
        * And I note that General Milley and SecDef Miller had the same concerns, which is why they too dragged their feet on calling out the Guard.
        
        Now, have you landed on a firm story yet about whether January 6 was Antifa, an FBI inside job, or just tourists?
        
        And are the Jan 6 people in federal prison hostages? Wouldn’t we be happy if an Antifa person was in prison?
        
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        June 18, 2024 8:37pm
  - virtualmark
    
    No riddles Steve.
    
    The Speaker of the House has no power or authority over the military. If Trump had decided to call out the DC National Guard she couldn’t have stopped him.
    
    The Speaker of the House does control the physical site of the Capitol. They can give permission, or not, for troops to be stationed there. So Pelosi had authority to decline to have troops on the Capitol site.
    
    Same situation applies here in NZ. The Speaker of the House has no control over, say, the Police. So if the Police want to have 100 police standing outside Parliament on Molesworth St there’s nothing the Speaker can do about that.
    
    But the Speaker of the House can refuse to allow those 100 police to come onto Parliament grounds.
    
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    June 18, 2024 8:28pm
Yvette

Ardern
” ‘Field’ is hosted by Global Progress and will create a network of like-minded political leaders who use pragmatic idealism, speak to people with hope and optimism rather than fear or blame, and want to unite, rather than divide as we look to solve the challenges ahead,” she said

What or who is Global Progress?
Is it from Jacinda’s newspaper articles scrapbook “They Are Us”, or “Significant global progress made under Christchurch Call”, April 2021
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June 18, 2024 12:14pm
- greybeard
  
  https://canada2020.ca/events/2023-global-progress-action-summit/
  Have a look at the speaker list, that should answer a few questions !
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:22pm
  - judith8409121
    
    everyone on that list is a problem – Jacinda’s words are such fantastic double-speak. She does want to unite – unite the people who think like her to attack those that don’t think like her. That group wants to eradicate the voices of the ‘other’. Thats the group think these people are pushing.
    
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    June 18, 2024 12:52pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Bunch of Lefties feathering their own nests.
    
    Blair is a Multi Millionaire.
    
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    June 18, 2024 4:08pm
Damocles11

The cunning Leftists always find a way to reinvent themselves and try to paint themselves in a favourable light. And the MSM plays along. Marxism, communism, socialism…..all discredited. So now they are ‘Progressives’.
“Hands up who doesn’t like progress!” Very cunning.
As I said, the MSM plays along. Any political leader from the Right who formed a fellowship of Right wing leaders would be described in the MSM as ‘leading a fellowship of Right wing leaders’. The same should apply to the Left, but instead we get this biased ‘Progressive’ bs.

——

MSM headline –
‘Former PM Jacinda Ardern is leading a new fellowship programme for progressive political leaders.‘

My preferred headline –
‘Former PM Jacinda Ardern is leading a new fellowship programme for leftist political leaders.‘
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June 18, 2024 12:15pm
- Ghost
  
  My preferred headline. Former prime minister ardern has vowed to never seek media attention again.
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:19pm
  - Paulus
    
    Gawd, of course she will feed her friends in the media, and ignore little Chippy as he is not doing what she wants.
    
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    June 18, 2024 1:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Never? Baaaaaaa, Baaaaaaah.
    
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    June 18, 2024 5:46pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Neanderthals were in point of fact much more progressive that us…..it did not save them form dying out.
  
  Like Neanderthals, the lefts version of progress only carries some people with them and only as long as you are ‘in’.
  
  The ones who are not in usually assimilate into the majority and those that cannot ‘evolve’ are left behind to die a slow but natural death……
  
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  June 18, 2024 12:54pm
- Prince
  
  ‘Progressive’ means spending more money than they generate, and expect future generations to pay the debt.
  
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  June 18, 2024 1:17pm
Ra Henare

Reposted from a late reply yesterday to David Garret in the Leadership thread.

I have been contemplating the devastation liberalism has wrought in Western Countries.

From the pathetic situation on the streets of San Fran to Muslim rape gangs in UK, the beggars in Queen street and the ram raids and other lawlessness in NZ.

It occurred to me that weeping wets are the cause, and it all goes back to 1969 when National started the Royal Commission in to Social Security.

https://www.weag.govt.nz/assets/documents/WEAG-report/background-documents/133db2ad05/History-of-family-support-payments-010419.pdf

In my view this was the start of the destruction of the NZ Family structure and responsibilities.

The Labour Government introduced in 1973 a Domestic Purposes Benefit for solo
parents along with splashing around lots of other benefits.

This and subsequent amendments removed ALL responsibility by families in controlling their offspring.

As commenters will know I am currently living in SE Asia.

Where this wet anti family crap is not in place, and I am glad to say that the family structure is very strong.

A misbehaving child gets a whack around the ear from an elder. With no benefits being tossed around, some sort of work is required to make enough money to eat.

The family is the backup if for some reason a member is unable to work. Needless to say the Matriarch hastens the route to money generation.

The downside to this is a lot of petty crime in the cities.. ie thefts. BUT very limited. Certainly no RAM Raids.

If the locals saw that (ram Raid) in action. The perpetrators would be physically dealt to by said locals while police would wait for said punishment to finish before hauling said perpetrators off for further justice.

Yep, no wets here. But needy beggars are supported by youngish Locals who can detect the scammers from those in real need..

AND the beggars respect anything they are given, certainly not abusing anyone who walks by.

My recommendation.

A compound in the countryside. Put all druggies and street sleeper dropouts there, suitably fed an watered and kept away from normal society.

Beneficiaries also in barrack type accommodation, so that they desperately want to get out into the real world.

No flash houses for beneficiaries. Certainly any abuse of any privilege means off to the gulag.

Combined with the Manchester approach to crime. Send miscreants to same gulags.

Lets kick this weak wetness in to touch. Its a social experiment that failed.

In this case I reflect on the effectiveness of Whanau justice. Bring it on.

Return the positions of Mother and Father(elders) as the primary controlling effort for wayward offspring in the extended family.

Let security guards/teachers/parents whack a few idiot offenders and see what happens.

Its refreshing to live where wokeness is unknown and wet wankers(mainly tourists) are ignored or laughed at.
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June 18, 2024 12:22pm
- Paulus
  
  Helen Clark and her friends such as Margaret Wilson and Judith Tizard decided to continue unswervingly to destroy the New Zealand Family – and they have done that, assisted by Jacinda Ardern and her feminist Media and senior Public Service supporters.
  
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  June 18, 2024 1:59pm
- mogg
  
  Just back from our localNew World where 3 fifteen yr olds were caught shoplifting while their parents waited outside in the car.
  Cops said “they are untouchable and they know it, it is just a revolving door”.
  
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  June 18, 2024 3:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So the Cops are there to protect the 15 year old arsewipes from the public, or are the Cops there to watch for the parents with guns in the car?
    Tell me I am wrong.
    
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    June 18, 2024 5:54pm
- rouppe
  
  Whanau justice? What whanau justice?
  
  Have we seen any whanau justice for the killers of baby Ru? None.
  
  Have we seen any whanau justice for the killers of little Casino? None.
  
  Do you have an example of demonstrable whanau justice that actually does some good instead of putting another baby in the ground?
  
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  June 18, 2024 4:22pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    I guess when you were young you never got a whack from a parent or Grandparent.??
    
    Or when a cousin takes you aside and says stop doing that shit or Auntie/Uncle will give you a hiding/or take away your toys, car privileges.
    
    That my friend is Whanau Justice.
    
    Even Neanderthals’ in NZ understand that Whanau is a term to include the family and extended family.
    
    Using a Maori babies murder as the point of your argument is less than relevant bordering on ridiculous in the context of my post.
    
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    June 18, 2024 11:12pm
Maggie Pie

FULL SCREEN/SOUND UP. You’ll luv this!

A bestie just tweeted and it’s sooo worth sharing….

*PURE MAGIC* 😀

https://x.com/PicturesFolder/status/1802567685403754777

(as Prue said…. such a pity about the ‘cankles’)
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June 18, 2024 1:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Witchcraft I reckon.
  
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  June 18, 2024 4:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

He can do no wrong. Yeah, it’s Joe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQpySyVuGc
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June 18, 2024 4:52pm
Muttonbird

Reti admits he’s a bit shit at his job:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/health-minister-admits-governments-failures-on-cancer-drug-promise/L2NMVFEOBZFC5FIKZI5XSSAQQ4/

Too much joyriding in ambulances, not enough attention to the role.
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June 18, 2024 6:47pm
- gorse
  
  Not as shit as the last health minister
  
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