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greenfinger

Where has Cindy disappeared to with her US$20m?
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June 17, 2024 8:03am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
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  She no longer holds public office and as such it’s not actually any of our business where she is, what she does or how much money she has.
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:06am
  - imalwaysright
    
    She fucked the country and is now reaping the rewards for doing so.
    Her whereabouts and her wealth are our business until she is held to account.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:18am
    - Muttonbird
      
      The coalition of chaos has fucked the country with this shock and awe campaign of negativity.
      
      People have lost hope since they came in.
      
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      June 17, 2024 8:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    $20M seems to be a lot of money from a PM’s salary, writing a book, and a few speeches.
    What is wrong with this picture?
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:17am
    - cmm
      
      When it comes to “writing a book”, I expect her skills max out at the glue and glitter stage of the exercise.
      
      She rode to where she is on our backs. Of course we are entitled to ask questions.
      
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      June 17, 2024 10:26am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Pay attention Steve, it was a 20 mill “”donation”” from a billionaire air head.
      
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      June 17, 2024 12:20pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Here’s me thinking a drug company was involved and Gates was a diversion.
        Silly me.
        
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        June 18, 2024 7:34am
    - Jake Dee
      
      It’s called “backloading”
      I believe it’s quite common in sports and entertainment contracts. They won’t pay you much while you are working, that looks bad in politics, but we want to keep you around, so if you stick with the program and sing from the correct hymn sheet, there is a very nice payday at the end of your employment.
      And none of this has to be explicitly written down, it works just as well if it’s an implicit understanding, better in fact because there is no paper trail or documents to leak out.
      Tony Blair got a lot of this, since leaving office he’s written a few books, started a few foundations, peace love and charity sort of stuff and somehow acquired about 35 million pounds worth of Real Estate.
      Funny how that works out.
      I guess they just have superior skills, so they can do peace love and charity foundations so much better than all those threadbare monks, nuns and lay volunteers.
      
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      June 17, 2024 2:20pm
  - Local Miller
    
    Interesting because the MSM took great interest in John Key and the position he got after leaving Government. As I recall the sentiment was that he was getting a CEO role as a reward for being leader of a business friendly Government.
    
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    June 17, 2024 11:03am
    - MCōs
      
      And here was me thinking these people get royal honours for that sort of thing & directorships because they have expertise in the appropriate area
      I don’t think John Key has been a ceo of anything
      
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      June 17, 2024 11:36am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is our business. She inflicted ruinous policies and is now touring the world giving speeches to “captivated audiences”.
    
    https://now.tufts.edu/2024/04/29/jacinda-ardern-recalls-facing-no-easy-decisions
    
    It might help if she acknowledged at least some of her ruinous policy failures. For example in 2017 she promised “affordable housing”. Instead she achieved a world leading house price bubble. That alone demands a very public apology. Otherwise I’m happy for her to be hounded and ridiculed for the rest of her life.
    
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    June 17, 2024 11:07am
- peterwn
  
  If some idiot wants to grant her $20m, that is their business. Just as long it did not come from some poor long suffering taxpayers.
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:33am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Don’t agree – the question would need to be asked “why would some idiot would grant her $20m?”
    
    If it was at the expense of NZ or the taxpayer then she would need to be held to account for that.
    
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    June 17, 2024 11:55am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Exactly. People with that sort of money to give away are generally not idiots.
      
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      June 17, 2024 12:03pm
  - wsk12345
    
    It was Melinda Gates
    
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    June 17, 2024 6:55pm
- DeepBlue
  
  She is scheming again. Jacinda on Facebook today…
  
  “I’m pretty sporadic on here these days. In part, I’ve been wanting to take a bit of a breather from the public side of life. But I wanted to share a wee project I’ve been working on called Field. It’s a 12 month programme that supports and connects global political leaders who embody political leadership that draws on the strength of kindness and empathy.
  
  Field is hosted by Global Progress, and will create a network of like minded political leaders who use pragmatic idealism, speak to people with hope and optimism rather than fear or blame, and want to unite, rather than divide as we look to solve the challenges ahead.
  
  Our first cohort of leaders will meet in July and come from across Europe but this will broaden over time.
  
  Field is an incredibly humbling, and exciting project to be leading. All part of my ongoing mission to rehumanise leadership, and just be useful! More updates to come. Needless to say, I haven’t quite managed that cup of tea and a lie down just yet…”
  
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  June 18, 2024 6:36am
Mike

Happy World Day to Combat Desertification and Drought!
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June 17, 2024 8:08am
- zulumonster
  
  The good news is that the increasing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are contributing well to combating desertification and drought
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:33am
- cmm
  
  Plants are starving.
  Thankfully a bit of extra carbon in the atmosphere is helping green the deserts.
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:44am
- Matt Long
  
  Happy save the planet through increased CO² emissions day then.
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:44am
  - Rusty
    
    @Matt – many moons ago my science school teacher would say CO2 emissions were good for all life on this planet.
    
    They must not teach that anymore.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:51am
Chuck Bird

What is wrong with OT?

Casino Ataria-Wharehinga case: Did Oranga Tamariki’s haste to place a toddler with whānau lead to her death?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/casino-ataria-wharehinga-case-did-oranga-tamarikis-haste-to-place-a-toddler-with-whanau-lead-to-her-death/ONMTJHS66JAGZFYU2KAGWAE7KE/
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June 17, 2024 8:11am
- Souvlaki
  
  Rhetorical question huh!🤦‍♂️
  
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  June 17, 2024 8:13am
  - Jethrod
    
    How often is rhetoric right and not spoken?
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:01am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It was over two years ago. This is exactly the kind of situation that is supposed to be addressed by the changes Karen Chhour is now putting in place. But I would also draw your attention to this paragraph:
  
  “A man with familiarity with the case has told Hawke’s Bay Today he believes it’s more complex than that. OT did not give approval for Casino to stay with her aunt and uncle and she was supposed to be living in another whānau home in Gisborne.”
  
  OT are not omniscient and omnipresent. If they place a child in a suitable home and a relative comes and takes that child away, surely the onus is on the foster family to inform OT of that.
  
  As long as we have a welfare system that treats children as a revenue stream, this kind of thing is going to keep happening, and no reform of OT will prevent it.
  
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  June 17, 2024 8:33am
  - cmm
    
    “surely the onus is on the foster family to inform OT of that.”
    
    It is kidnapping. Call the cops.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:45am
  - septic skeptic
    
    An unintended consequence of funding to reduce child poverty. Some kids are no more than a revenue stream.
    
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    June 17, 2024 12:16pm
- cmm
  
  HTF does a kid end up being called Casino?
  
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  June 17, 2024 8:41am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Cmm,
    
    Not by chance.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:01am
  - rjay
    
    Even I can’t think of the odds of that happening.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:40am
    - jkt
      
      That is a sure bet!
      
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      June 17, 2024 1:40pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Conceived in the car park?
    I guess Casino was better than ‘By the Bins’
    Ala Ron Howard
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqpZOpeqOhY
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    SFNS. Silly First Name Syndrome. (Whaleoil)
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:19am
  - I remember when
    
    cmm
    It’s just a spin of the wheel and a bit of luck.
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:38am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    These types of names (Alamein, Torbruk, Casino etc) arent uncommon in the generation born in tbe early fifties in maori families. Named to honour where Dad or other male relative fought in WWII… Could easily be handed down to honour grandad etc…
    
    Names like Fairlane are a more recent and risible occurence
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:40am
    - imalwaysright
      
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      Monte Cassino. I don’t think there was a Casino conflict.
      
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      June 17, 2024 11:46am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Not vouching for anyones spelling skills!
        
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        June 17, 2024 1:33pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Good point
        
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        June 17, 2024 1:45pm
- Damocles11
  
  OT are damned if they uplift, damned if they don’t, damned if they don’t place a Maori child with Maori whanau, damned if they do. Notice that all the blame is heaped on OT, never on the brutal Maori family members that should be nurturing children within the purportedly caring and holistic ‘Te Ao Māori’ value system. When will TPM speak up about Maori violence towards children and the appalling infanticide we are seeing? When will the Kiingi hold an urgent ‘National Hui’ to find ‘by Maori, for Maori’ solutions to this pressing issue?
  
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  June 17, 2024 8:52am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “When will TPM speak up about Maori violence towards children and the appalling infanticide we are seeing?”
    
    Why say Maori violence and not some Maori violence?
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:44am
    - Damocles11
      
      Violence done by Maori is ‘Maori violence’.
      
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      June 17, 2024 9:51am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        What if they are 1/16th Maori?
        
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        June 17, 2024 10:29am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Sis brown Māori
        
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        June 17, 2024 10:30am
    - imalwaysright
      
      The maori party have no interest in maori people.
      They are a group of proxies, whose election looks dubious, who answer to Tamihere , whose purpose is to call everyone else racist in the hope of being quietened with large sums of public money.
      
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      June 17, 2024 10:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    When will it all stop? When the Gravy Train stops.
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:21am
    - Jethrod
      
      Pulling into the station soon.
      
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      June 17, 2024 11:28am
      - septic skeptic
        
        You wish!
        
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        June 17, 2024 12:24pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        There aren’t any stations. There is just the train.
        
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        June 17, 2024 1:48pm
  - I remember when
    
    OT have lost some of their best staff because of the workload and their systems.
    They are often unaware of facts about those in the system, largely because they don’t have sufficient contact with them.
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:43am
    - Damocles11
      
      OT is the staff at the end of the day. I wouldn’t work there under any circumstances, the job would be hard enough without the activists, media, and other assorted leftists constantly berating you.
      
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      June 17, 2024 10:57am
  - Paulus
    
    Never, there is no money in doing that !
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:57am
cmm

“Police struggling with the heat at one of the country’s busiest courts would shove latex gloves filled with water frozen down their stab proof vests to keep cool”

Front page of $1uff…

There was a time when read proofing of such quality low would be career ending.
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June 17, 2024 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe the author just doesn’t know better. The standard of basic education in NZ is appalling. This coming from a person who got 28% (from memory) in School Certificate.
  
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  June 17, 2024 8:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The standard of English written expression has declined. I recall a couple of years ago trying to explain to an author (recent university graduate) the concept of past, present, and future tense in written English. I succeeded in making her angry. 😂
    
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    June 17, 2024 8:40am
    - cmm
      
      Was this person English peaking?
      
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      June 17, 2024 8:48am
      - wsk12345
        
        Irrelevant. I work in an industry with lots of highly qualified technical people who speak English as their second language. Their written English is far superior, in say 80% of cases, than that of their colleagues who were born here and speak English as their first language. The other 20% are on a par.
        
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        June 17, 2024 8:54am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        Looks as if she had some way to go before getting to that point
        
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        June 17, 2024 9:07am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes
        
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        June 17, 2024 9:14am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        There is a reason for that. Most global professional and technical literature is in English. If you are an ambitious Chinese physicist you are going to need to be proficient in English to a level way beyond that required to function as (say) a tourist. Universities run programmes for such people.
        
        https://www.studyintaiwan.org/university/program/3108
        
        Many of these people will have a more extensive English vocabulary than the average person in New Zealand. Or course unlike New Zealand school children they are also taught grammar. 😂
        
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        June 17, 2024 9:24am
    - imalwaysright
      
      You should have asked her if she felt angered, angry or angering.
      
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      June 17, 2024 9:06am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I tried to explain “she was/is/would be angry”. Just made her angry. 😂
        
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        June 17, 2024 9:27am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        BY, just made her angry and you enjoyed it. 🙂
        
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        June 17, 2024 10:27am
  - G152
    
    Used to be reporters were trained by the media they worked for.
    Then a smart alec decided to start a journalist school and all the practical stuff went out the window.
    When is the last time you actually saw a subbie doing their job?
    Now it seems they just copy and paste off the Net
    
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    June 17, 2024 8:54am
    - Clyde
      
      I know of several broadcasting or journalism schools that were started. Not because they wanted to produce good journalists or broadcasters, but because they wanted to make money. Each one of those schools appealed to those within the industry to take on interns for a week or so. Most of the students never showed up, and those that did, were useless. All the students had their fees paid and so the schools didn’t really care whether the students showed up or not.
      
      Back in the day, the Broadcasting Corporation ran all its own training for techs, producers, announcers, journalists etc. They were really good and produced excellent results. But they cost money – hence outside schools set up training and made heaps of money with mainly crap staff. Result is what we have today.
      
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      June 17, 2024 9:59am
      - Paulus
        
        Now it is no good if you do not speak Te Reo !
        
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        June 17, 2024 11:00am
    - Jake Dee
      
      I don’t think that journalism is attracting the smart talented ambitious and intelligent young people like it used to. They have better places to go.
      Benjamin Franklin was a journalist, kind of, but he was also a printer, publisher, scientist, philosopher statesman and diplomat. Being in the newspaper game in the late 18th century put him at the heart of their information revolution.
      Not today.
      
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      June 17, 2024 2:40pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Subbie? There are no subbies, they were the first round of savings cuts made.
      
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      June 17, 2024 2:48pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Headlines and photo captions are not usually written by the author. Often they are written by a more junior person, which means they attended school after a focus on correctness went out of fashion. And I’m not sure news web sites have proof-reading any more.
  
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  June 17, 2024 8:40am
  - Gravelroad
    
    In the olden days, 50 years ago, headlines were written by one of the sub editors and checked by the chief sub editor and/or editor.
    Photo captions were written by the reporter covering the story but again, carefully checked before publishing in case someone’s name was spelt incorrectly.
    Newspapers in those days valued their readers and advertisers.
    Reputation for accuracy was a key component for public trust – then.
    
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    June 17, 2024 8:52am
    - igm
      
      You are correct, especially in the more respectable publications, and arse kicking if anything was missed.
      
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      June 17, 2024 9:12am
    - rangitoto
      
      From what my father told me, in the old days, most of the errors were corrected by the typesetters and linotype operators who were tradies.,
      
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      June 17, 2024 9:26am
  - cmm
    
    There was a time they cared about their brand.
    
    They might have had a junior write the captions, but they would still be checked.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:48am
  - Sacha
    
    Don’t they use computers? Mine corrects the slightest mistake (after highlighting my error). The old one would print out the mistake, complete with blue highlighting which was very annoying.
    But I am still responsible for commas and full stops.
    Maybe the next generation will have that sorted as well.
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I was thinking about yesterday’s blog post about the Bill to force Google and Facebook to pay for New Zealand journalism.
  
  Imagine trying to explain to shareholders why the company is financing grammatically incorrect articles about frozen latex gloves. 🤡Let alone the opinions of Tova O’brien. 😅
  
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  June 17, 2024 8:44am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Yes, it’s grammatically incorrect. But it’s hardly fair to dismiss it as “an article about latex gloves”. It’s an article about public employees being made to work in unacceptably uncomfortable conditions, and that’s a matter of legitimate public interest.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:09am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes fair point. So write a dispassionate article about the health and safety issues. The “frozen latex gloves” is a device by the author to attract clicks.
      
      A really good article would have explored the underlying reasons for the poor state of the buildings, and who was responsible. Are these buildings typical or unusual?
      
      Instead all you remember is “frozen latex gloves”.
      
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      June 17, 2024 9:34am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        Say what? It wasn’t me that thought the article was about latex gloves. It was you.
        
        Use of a dramatic and memorable image in the headline is a legitimate and age-old way of making a point and enticing readers into looking at the rest of the article. But you still need to get the grammar right.
        
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        June 17, 2024 9:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You can understand why our cops are shifting to Oz.
  
  6 years of neglect from Labour Govt.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350310333/unacceptable-top-cops-threat-pull-staff-busy-court
  
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  June 17, 2024 8:45am
  - MCōs
    
    Here’s as an article in the NZ Herald that could have been written by the propaganda branch of Queensland Police including a large recruitment advertisement featuring a couple of grinning Māori police with hand guns and a superimposed surf board by the beach
    Who could resist?
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-new-zealand-police-are-moving-to-australia-in-their-own-words/DKZ35LAVVBEKFJLMDQZ6R5WMCU/
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:22am
    - ISeeRed
      
      And look. No mokos or other skin graffiti visible. How do the Maoris really into te ao Moari etc. find it in Oz when they’re not pandered to or indulged in any way.
      
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      June 17, 2024 7:05pm
  - Damocles11
    
    More pay in Australia, lower cost of living, first $18,200 of earnings tax free, gold standard superannuation. We are all supposed to be on our Te Tiriti based ‘Te Ao Maori journey’ here, a new government hasn’t changed that.
    
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    June 17, 2024 11:00am
imalwaysright

Happy Proud to Be a New Zealander Year.
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June 17, 2024 8:20am
- MCōs
  
  Personally I’ve always proud to be a NZer, not just this month.
  And in return I’ve never been abused for being a NZer.
  In my backpacking days I met Americans who put Canadian flags on their bags because they were fed up with getting shit over the Vietnam War. Never had that sort of problem
  
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  June 17, 2024 10:16am
- cmm
  
  I must say I find it weird being proud of an accident of birth.
  
  Why are people proud of the All Blacks or whatever? It seems as daft to me as being proud for having blue eyes or being tall.
  
  I can understand people being proud of something you have earned – a personal achievement: something that has involved a challenge and a struggle. But being proud of the achievements of others seems weird to me.
  
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  June 17, 2024 10:32am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Cmm
    I agree with you, it is an artificial idea based, mostly, on chance.
    But NZ seems to lack a common reference point. I thought being a New Zealander was a good start.
    We have the potential to be the happiest and wealthiest country on earth but it looks like we treat each other as enemies rather than colleagues , brothers, sisters , and friends.
    But as soon as the youngsters get to London or elsewhere, they seek out fellow kiwis and proceed to thrust their interpretation of a haka upon innocent bystanders .
    
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    June 17, 2024 11:12am
    - jkt
      
      Go travelling and display an old South Africa flag on your bag…!
      Replace it with a Kiwi ….
      
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      June 17, 2024 1:48pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    It might not be completely logical but it is normal and desirable. Humans are hard wired to form themselves into groups, prioritise the interests of their group, and feel pride or sadness when things happen in their group regardless of whether they are personally involved. Both nations and families are examples of that. It is likely this tendency has had a positive effect on human development so far.
    
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    June 17, 2024 11:30am
    - MCōs
      
      Humans, like most animals, are social people who tend to gravitate towards others of similar interests
      
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      June 17, 2024 11:57am
    - cmm
      
      Certainly, tribal affiliations are part of human nature.
      But is it really pride?
      
      The dangerous flip-side to that pride is guilt. We are supposed to feel “white guilt” because reasons or “German guilt” because of Nazis or whatever.
      
      Naah, bollocks. I don’t feel pride for anything I didn’t accomplish personally and I don’t feel guilty for anything I didn’t do personally either.
      
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      June 17, 2024 4:21pm
Scooter

OT is complicit in child deaths and abuse in NZ. The govt needs to hold them to account and not let them hide behind saying they can’t comment due to ongoing investigations.
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June 17, 2024 8:25am
- Damocles11
  
  Do you work for OT? Would you want to? Damned if you uplift, damned if you don’t. I can only imagine the ‘cultural’ hoops they have to jump through. Defenceless children shouldn’t need protection from being maimed, brutalised, and murdered by family members in the year 2024. The attempts to palm all the responsibility for this carnage on to OT is shameful, the people committing these savage crimes are the ones fully responsible.
  
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  June 17, 2024 8:59am
  - Gravelroad
    
    What is the purpose of having OT then?
    Drug addicts and alcoholics can’t look after themselves, let alone someone else’s kid pushed onto them by a government agency,
    They are just not capable of accepting such responsibility- even with extra money coming in from the taxpayers. Money probably going straight to the drug dealers.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:38am
    - Damocles11
      
      The purpose of OT is to have an organ of the state to blame for the actions of the perpetrators. You should know how the Left works by now.
      
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      June 17, 2024 9:52am
  - cmm
    
    ” I can only imagine the ‘cultural’ hoops they have to jump through”
    
    That is only because they allow them to be there.
    
    If they were really caring about children then the children’s safety would come first and culture be damned – especially Once Were Warriors type cultures.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:51am
    - Damocles11
      
      The ‘cultural hoops’ are it every government department. We are all supposed to be on a ‘Te Ao Maaori journey’, even the PM is on one. Are you not?
      
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      June 17, 2024 10:19am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The PM is an activist according to Julian Batchelor of Stop Co-Governance.
        I think he is correct.
        
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        June 17, 2024 11:01am
      - Jethrod
        
        So according to your logic, so were the last 2 PM’s?
        
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        June 17, 2024 11:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Jethrod,
        
        You said it, not me.
        
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        June 18, 2024 7:40am
    - Sacha
      
      Words are cheap and quickly forgotten – and who thinks they mean anything anyway?
      As long as women get paid for producing kids, they will do so.
      It’s past time that a limit was put on the number of children subsidised by the state.
      One is carelessness, two is taking the Mickey.
      
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      June 17, 2024 10:24am
      - Damocles11
        
        None of it is getting rolled back.
        
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        June 17, 2024 11:02am
      - cmm
        
        Certainly we could put a cork in that hole, but it isn’t going to get rid of the three generations of the sods out there looking forward to a 90+ year lifespan on the taxpayers’ tit.
        
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        June 17, 2024 4:24pm
    - Paulus
      
      Are we to ask what is the prominent ethnicity of nearly all OT cases – and why is it them !
      
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      June 17, 2024 11:03am
  - Jinky
    
    If a child is in the care of OT then they are legally responsible for the child’s welfare.
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:12am
    - cmm
      
      But “they” is a faceless bureaucracy.
      Nobody at OT is going to be charged, let alone do jail time, for child abuse.
      
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      June 17, 2024 10:34am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep.
  OT is a law unto itself and nothing touches them or changes their attitude, ability or mindset.
  No consequences for failing little kids in their “care”.
  Some consequences if they stray from political and race-based correctness.
  Every time a baby or toddler is murdered, a feeble sounding person from OT gives a few mumbled apologies and says they must do better – and nothing else happens.
  A huge government ministry not fit for purpose and far too many failures going unanswered and accounted for.
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:01am
  - Debsta
    
    Yes, and yet an ‘expert’ in the very first report of baby Mustafa’s murder a week ago was telling us that family members and the general public need to report any incidents or concerns re child neglect to the authorities. FFS police and OT knew about him being at risk within the first few months of his life and still did nothing to save him. OT are a disgrace.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:20am
    - Damocles11
      
      Baby Mustafa had already suffered horrific injuries in an incident the Police determined was ‘non accidental’. Obvious question: why were no charges laid?? If we are taking aim at OT then how about the Police? And why was the child put back in a house where an offender was obviously lurking. The whole thing is a mess, it’s not just one government department.
      
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      June 17, 2024 11:05am
      - Ghost
        
        No charges yet because the police investigation was still going on with the previous injuries.
        
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        June 17, 2024 11:14am
      - Damocles11
        
        The child suffered non accidental injuries in parental care. “I tripped down the stairs while holding him” said the alleged perpetrator. No sure what ‘investigation’ needs to happen when the facts were established on ‘non accidental’ and who was involved.
        
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        June 17, 2024 12:37pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    The maori “wahine toa” mafia got rid of the Irish CEO of OT because they thought she was uplifting too many kids.
    In reality it was because they wanted to turn it into a gravy train and profit from the misery and death of maori children.
    
    I’m surprised that the government haven’t asked Christine Rankin to help.
    Her and Karen Chhour would make a great team and save a great many children.
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:26am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Dead and abused children are their currency. They are human buzzards
    
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    June 17, 2024 1:56pm
- Ruawai
  
  OT does not abuse or kill children, the parents and partners abuse and kill children.
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:48am
  - cmm
    
    To an extent you are correct.
    
    But OT has a duty of care too. That is their job. If they don’t want to do it they can give back a many million of taxpayers’ $.
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:36am
    - Damocles11
      
      They are and always will be scapegoats for those committing infanticide. It was exactly the same back when they were called CYP’s: the Leftists lambasting them as an exercise in blame-shifting.
      
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      June 17, 2024 11:07am
    - septic skeptic
      
      If they renamed the outfit “Ministry for preventing Maori children getting the bash” it might focus their attention more productively. Calling ir Oranga Tamariki has probably caused them to think promoting te reo is the KPI.
      
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      June 17, 2024 12:41pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Or just publish the name of the parents, the uncles and aunts, the cousins, the CEO of OT, the investigating detectives , and the judge, in every child murder/ abuse case.
        I bet the number of kids abused and murdered would reduce.
        
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        June 17, 2024 2:01pm
Pope Punctilious II

The NZ Educational Institute (who are they?) complains that the government’s reforms of maths and English curricula are “politically motivated”

Do you remember when the NZEI protested that the Ardern government’s assault on our education system was “politically motivated”? No, I don’t either.

Apparently, testing kids every year is going to make them “more stressed”. Oh, and the government’s reforms “failed to embrace the diversity in the country’s classrooms” (a pity she didn’t throw in a nod to “equity” and “inclusion” as well).
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June 17, 2024 8:30am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I think NZEI has Rose Hipkins as an employee.
  
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  June 17, 2024 10:07am
- JimBobJoe
  
  They are Union for Early Education and Primary school teachers. They are aligned with Laboutlr.. Hence the attack on the current government
  
  Here is their website
  https://www.nzeiteriuroa.org.nz/
  
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  June 17, 2024 10:50am
- Sacha
  
  What load of c***. If teachers were competent in their teaching, the kids would learn and there would be no need to fear exams and possible failure.
  When I went to school we didn’t have any exams until we went to high school. We had little ‘tests’ in all aspects of schooling from day 1. We chanted times tables and recited the alphabet, read out loud in front of the class, did ‘mental arithmetic’, and learnt to write with pencils before we progressed to inky pens in Form 1
  Everyone had to do the same thing, no one was special, and everyone seemed to get promoted to the next class. I remember one boy who was held back in the primers because his reading wasn’t up to standard – he soon caught up when he applied himself and joined his mates.
  Teachers make rods for their own backs if you ask me.
  
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  June 17, 2024 7:43pm
Maggie Pie

Imagine what it must be doing to Peter Beck’s reputation being stuck in New Guinea 🙁

People are saying shorting Rocketlab (RKLB) before tonites opening could be worth a punt.
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June 17, 2024 8:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think Peter Beck went via PNG.
  He’s already in Japan, according to RNZ.
  
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  June 17, 2024 8:39am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Oh OK…. a bestie posted differently on X.
    Still, we do get judged by the company we keep.
    
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    June 17, 2024 8:45am
  - G152
    
    Didnt use our Air Farce then ?
    
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    June 17, 2024 8:55am
- MCōs
  
  The only businessman l’d been aware of that is on that delegation is Greg Foran who is just the bloke you need under some circumstances
  It seems he’s organizing the rest of people to fly AirNZ to Japan
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Air NZ, Alliance meats, Silver Fern farms, Rocket Lab that games maker all have people on the delegation
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:37am
cmm

Cindy’s line being recycled: “Tricky new Covid variant”

You’d hope they’d hit the thesaurus and come up with a crisp new adjective for a new variant : cunning, crafty, devious, scheming…

But of course it is no such thing. We’re talking about a virus. It isn’t being cunning or sneaky. This is just the statistical process of evolution at work. aka survivor’s bias.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tricky-new-covid-variant-on-the-rise-as-nzs-sixth-wave-approaches-peak/GIKEVUAROVELJBWSJPF46GRW2I/
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June 17, 2024 8:36am
- pdm
  
  I am just home from running our daughter to a hospital appointment.
  
  While in the car I heard that awful Michael Baker being recycled on covid again.
  
  Like a bad smell he just keeps coming back.
  
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  June 17, 2024 8:55am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    He is like the virus they could not ‘eliminade’
    
    Every time he speaks he ‘jepradizes’ our sanity.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:00am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    He has been pushing for compulsory masks on public transport.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:11am
    - Matt Long
      
      Here’s a good way to prevent the spread of disease, ban public transport where more than 3 passengers are on board.
      
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      June 17, 2024 9:53am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        He is correct that public transport spreads illness. That is one of the reasons to avoid it.
        
        It would be a fascinating study to compare the winter illnesses of cohorts of Wellington people who did / did not commute to work by bus.
        
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        June 17, 2024 10:28am
      - imalwaysright
        
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        That is not correct. It is better to mix with each other.
        The more a virus is shared the more quickly it diminishes in its harm.
        We all have varying ability to combat viruses. As it is transmitted immunity is built up and the virus will by virtue of its existence be less likely to harm its next host.
        The fact of the longevity of the human race is proof of this.
        We are very good at combatting viruses.
        There hasn’t yet been one that has proved fatal to us as a race.
        
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        June 17, 2024 12:36pm
      - rouppe
        
        A long time ago when I decided paying for car parking was getting too expensive, I decided to take the train to work.
        
        I have never been as sick as those six months.
        
        I bought a motorbike and commuted on that. All weather. Never that sick since.
        
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        June 17, 2024 12:36pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Rouppe,
        I think people are in environments that are too warm.
        That’s where bugs are happy.
        Heard on Joe rogan about a geezer who spent the year wearing t shirts . Never ill.
        I’ve chosen to be colder this autumn and feel better. Slight sniffle but not the usual cold.
        
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        June 17, 2024 1:26pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Correlation is not causation Ben. There could be many reasons why people using public transport get sick.
        
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        June 17, 2024 5:17pm
      - wsk12345
        
        Well that wouldn’t affect us in chch. I e never seen more than one person on a bus in my hood.
        
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        June 17, 2024 7:09pm
    - Bobba Fret
      
      How about compulsory masks for people that vote Lab/Green or Maori party!
      
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      June 17, 2024 12:10pm
  - Rusty
    
    @pdm — Michael Baker is a stooge for the WHO.
    
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    June 17, 2024 9:55am
  - Sacha
    
    Isn’t he based at Otago Uni along with . . . . . . . . . . ?
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:26am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    One small difference, he does get a platform on the podium of bullshit anymore
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Both Baker and Plank in on the act. If you are pressured to go to work, think about the others. Yep, a recipe for pushing businesses to the wall again.
    What about masks on public transport? Do we really want to go through all of this again?. 354 in hospital with covid. Do they have an underlying illness and also have covid?
    Mek minut the pink terror will make an entrance!
    
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    June 17, 2024 12:20pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Why would you “hope” that they would switch to words that are less accurate?
  
  “Tricky” is a better term than “cunning, crafty, devious or scheming”, precisely because, unlike them, it does not necessarily imply conscious intent in the thing described. A maths problem is definitely not sentient, and neither is a mountain path, but both can be described as tricky because they are difficult to address.
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:19am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Of all the countless things to criticise Ardern about, her use of the word “tricky” must be the dumbest.
    
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    June 17, 2024 7:12pm
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Happy Father’s Day
Give someone a reason to look up to you.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-happy-fathers-day?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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June 17, 2024 8:40am
Maggie Pie

See where ‘Korora-Consulting’ Pania Gray’s name has popped up again.
Speculation is she’s been been appointed as part of the TPM investigation
to keep Michael Heron KC in check, and we can all expect yet another whitewash 🙁

– Thomas Cranmer Investigates

https://x.com/CranmerWrites/status/1802112966625821181

People are saying they’d rather have seen ‘Aunty HeiHei’ appointed.
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June 17, 2024 9:02am
- Damocles11
  
  Pania Gray is no doubt making a motza and will flourish in the ‘new New Zealand’ that the activist Judges, public service, woke corporates, and Left wing political parties have created. The New Zealand where ‘Te Tiriti’ is the be all and end all.
  Anybody with transferable skills will head to Australia where there is still some semblance of egalitarianism and a functioning democracy.
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:57am
- alex Masterley
  
  I dont know why Pania Gray is required to ride shotgun for Mr Heron.
  He is at the woke end of the spectrum as far as I am concerned.
  
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  June 17, 2024 10:00am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Co governance
  
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  June 17, 2024 11:31am
Benedict Yu

Julie Anne Genter and Matthew Todd are promoting normal weather events as evidence of catastrophic climate change.

https://x.com/MrMatthewTodd/status/1801048415326949859?t=_ZWqTju3JgvCkOjn8E1z9g&s=19

Yes in June there are heatwaves in Greece. Yes it rains heavily in Florida. 🙄 It is called the wet season.
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June 17, 2024 9:10am
- Cassandra
  
  The climate is changing, it always has and always will. And, yes, humans have an impact. Precisely what it is is unknown but you can’t cut down trees, drain swamps and lay concrete without having an effect. There is also evidence that burning fossils has an effect, again unknown. The real question is what mankind can and should do and for NZ what we should do. My recommendation is as little as possible. Make a noise but do not shoot ourselves in the foot. And make the Greens walk everywhere.; even cycling has a deleterious effect (non pedestrians and motorists).
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:32am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    There energy mix is determined by technology and markets always has been. The world did not stop using whale oil for lighting because governments banned hunting for whales. Same thing will happen with coal eventually.
    
    The reality is that people who preach the evils of fossil fuels have no understanding of science and economics. Right now, without petroleum products civilisation would collapse. Hundreds of millions would freeze to death in north America and Europe. Food production and distribution would collapse.
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:47am
  - PurplePen
    
    Should do the bare minimum required to ensure we can still trade competitively with other countries.
    
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    June 17, 2024 11:34am
Ghost

Stupid idea that won’t work

Two MPs from both sides of the political spectrum say they are open to looking into whether New Zealand should increase its social media age limit from 13 to 16 years old.

Article

So remind me again, stealing a car is illegal, kids still do it. Ram raids are illegal, kids still do it. Shit this act and labour mp are dreaming. If they think making social media illegal it would stop kids using it they are idiots.

“If we can at least give the parents the power to say: You know what guys, stealing a car is illegal, robbing a bank is illegal and being on social media is illegal too, prior to the age of 16.”
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June 17, 2024 9:29am
- cmm
  
  The dopamine rush of social media is many times more powerful than drugs.
  
  We can see that in the way people drive, walk across the road etc. They can drive home without hitting a meth pipe, but they’ll check social media every chance they get (eg. pulling up at a traffic light).
  
  Good luck trying to get kids off that. You have a far better chance getting them off lollies and fizzies.
  
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  June 17, 2024 9:56am
- All_on_Red
  
  According to my anecdata, the problem is mainly with the girls.
  The boys not so much.
  
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  June 17, 2024 10:13am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Is gendering them even allowed now???
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:25am
- Damocles11
  
  A Labour MP who agrees with an ACT MP….is she in the right party?
  
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  June 17, 2024 10:14am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Just stupid.
  
  Kids will just set up a VPN and register on social media in Iceland. 😂 We have seen it forever. Politicians don’t have a clue about that stuff
  
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  June 17, 2024 10:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Speaking of ram raids, I can’t say I have heard it reported of any reman raids for some time, yes burglary and robbery, but I just have not heard the words ram raid in headlines for some time.
  
  Remember of course we were hearing of multiple ram raids daily in more than one city at a time
  
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  June 17, 2024 10:43am
  - Ghost
    
    Ram raid reported last week in timaru, ram raids in Taupo, Napier and Rotokura reported in the last few days
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:49am
    - Paulus
      
      Michael Hill in Whakatane has closed for good due to the intemperate robberies which have taken place, so watch out other shops, you are next.
      
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      June 17, 2024 11:08am
      - Jethrod
        
        I have heard the word that Whakatane is going down the toilet because of other violence and mayhem.
        Brought up there and left forever at age 22.
        Was the best town , until recently.
        
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        June 17, 2024 11:45am
  - Colville
    
    The 4Sq down the beach from us has been done twice in the last 2 months.
    
    Bollards going in now.
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:56am
    - Paulus
      
      Bollards are no good when creeps just raid a shop and jump over everything to get Smokes and Vapes !
      
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      June 17, 2024 11:10am
  - cmm
    
    30 years ago there would have been hand-wringing over tagging.
    
    Now they’re hardly reporting ram raids.
    
    It isn’t news any more.
    
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    June 17, 2024 11:20am
  - PurplePen
    
    They’re less sensational and no longer trendy to read about so I suppose not reported in a sensational way anymore, just like covid deaths now.
    
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    June 17, 2024 11:37am
- Sacha
  
  Thing is, Steve, no-one was ever swabbed for a virus before covid. We all carry viruses and possible infections in our naso- pharyngeal tracts. Sometimes we get a cold, and sometimes a sore throat, and sometimes a chest infection.
  Coronoviruses have a declining effect on our bodies the longer they hang around society, so it pays to cultivate an active immune system.
  
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  June 17, 2024 7:55pm
OlderChas

https://www.salvationarmy.org.nz/church-community/m%C4%81ori-ministry/article/salvation-army-new-zealand-bicultural-statement
Having been brought up in a Salvation Army household, learning all my music through them and supporting them strongly all my life despite becoming a devout atheist quite a few years back I find this switch to utterly woke so sad. Bye bye Sallies.
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June 17, 2024 9:33am
- Nobby2
  
  I didn’t know about this. Have given them a donation every year for some 40+ years as I thought they did some very good charity work. Donations will stop permanently as from today. Pity.
  
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  June 17, 2024 11:24am
  - rouppe
    
    Were you also unaware that they abused children in their care?
    
    https://www.salvationarmy.org.nz/about-us/complaints-privacy/royal-commission
    
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    June 17, 2024 12:44pm
- Jake Dee
  
  Yes, it is sad to see. But it is also interesting to note how these old Christain groups, particularly of the protestant denominations are particularly vulnerable to being taken over and eaten from the inside out by the new atheist faith of wokeism. There are many such examples, how many churches have gay and lesbian ministers flying the rainbow flag?
  It’s difficult to say exactly why but I think it’s because they share the same intellectual genealogy. These groups just don’t have an “antibody” to the woke mind “virus” because they were operating with and old version of it. Those progressive churches thrived on a sort of religious enthusiasm that you get with the belief that you are one of God’s chosen or “the elect”.
  But as for the Sallys, the old teetotaling Methodists who inspired so much enthusiasm with their uniforms and marching bands in the 19th century just don’t cut it anymore.
  A stronger dose is needed.
  
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  June 17, 2024 3:13pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    No different to what’s happened to the NGOs, except that churches are more vulnerable due to the older congregations dying off and not being replaced by young people of faith.
    
    The assets are just sitting there, waiting to be looted by small, organised, motivated liars – sound familiar?
    
    I’ve told my daughter that becoming a nun could be an excellent career option!
    
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    June 17, 2024 7:23pm
cas

I’ve just started reading a book called Why the Germans do it better ( Notes from a Grown-Up Country)by John Kampfner.
In the preface to the paperback edition he comments on Covid and says the following. “The pandemic said much about the organization of society and the capacity of the state. Invariably Angela Merkel was cited as an exemplar, alongside Jacinda Ardern of New Zealand, the leaders of Taiwan, Finland and elsewhere. The fact that they were all women my well have played a part. People have their own views on that. But what matters more in Merkel’s case is her science background and her character. She believes in facts not grandiloquence.”

I was wondering who that last sentence might refer to.
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June 17, 2024 10:34am
- Handyman
  
  It is a surprise to many people to be shown that New Zealand did not “lead the world” in its covid response. In fact, it is not even in the top half of best countries.
  
  New Zealand ranks 138 best out of 230 countries and territories (as ranked by deaths per capita).
  New Zealand’s failure is more embarrassing when compared to other island nations and having the benefit of having the vaccine prior to the first major wave.
  
  The relentless repetition of Arden’s self promotion (“we are the best”) lingers on the internet and so is picked up and repeated yet again by innumerate bloggers/reporters.
  
  Yes, I know reporting methods and definitions vary around the world. The same repost could be given to someone claiming to “lead the world”.
  
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
  
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  June 17, 2024 11:28am
- kowtow
  
  Other than a fawning legacy media I think Merkel’s reputation is in tatters.
  
  She left Germany in a very bad state . A bit like Ardern left NZ.
  
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  June 17, 2024 1:23pm
  - cmm
    
    Merkel was East Germany’s last attempt to beat the West.
    Thankfully that didn’t succeed.
    
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    June 17, 2024 2:39pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      It’s still too early to say. Remember, Merkel invited Middle Eastern ‘refugees’ to Germany and a million of them turned up – a disproportionate number of them young men.
      
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      June 17, 2024 7:27pm
Right of way is Way of Right

Far be it from me to accuse a news organisation of trying to control a narrative, but can anyone explain to me why stuff.co.nz has decided that their website is the only news website I can find anywhere that does not have a search function embedded in it’s on line site?

Just curious if anyone else has noticed this, and wondering why a news site would not make itself searchable?
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June 17, 2024 10:50am
- Ghost
  
  Stuff updated their website a few months ago, they had major issues with the update. One of those issues was they couldn’t get search to work again, lol. They told people to use google to search for articles. Good news, these same idiots will soon be bringing you nightly news….. there were a few major errors with the update, I’m not sure they have fixed them. Their live blog on it was just complaint after complaint.
  
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  June 17, 2024 10:57am
  - cmm
    
    Oh, the irony…. the same people who want Google taxed for linking to news tell people to use Google as a search tool for their website.
    
    Maybe they have it the wrong way around. Maybe they should be paying Google for providing them a service.
    
    $1uff. Overpriced.
    
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    June 17, 2024 11:13am
    - Ghost
      
      I’ve always thought the media had it wrong. Google and Facebook drove traffic to the news sites.
      
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      June 17, 2024 11:59am
      - plc
        
        That is exactly correct….as Canadian media found out
        
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        June 17, 2024 12:49pm
I remember when

A Chinese military buff inadvertently bought 4 books of military secrets for under $1: AP.
“A military history buff in China appears to have made an alarming discovery after picking up four discarded books for less than $1 at a neighbourhood recycling station.
They were confidential military documents.
The post, which was reposted on at least two popular Chinese news websites, was the latest in a series by the powerful state security agency which appears to be trying to draw in new audiences with dramatic stories.
Some have been told in comic-book style.”

Does the last sentence suggest the need to take the article with ‘a pinch of salt?’
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June 17, 2024 10:56am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  All bullshit. It’s parables for the populace, CCP-style.
  
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  June 17, 2024 7:30pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Why?
    What’s your reasoning here? Is the AP report bullshit, the RT report bullshit or the original Chinese report (which you almost certainly haven’t read) bullshit?
    What about the “criterion of embarrassment”? How does it help the CCP to admit that confidential documents ended up with the recyclers?
    Why do you say it IS bullshit rather than COULD be false? There are 1.4 billion people in China, confidential files end up in the trash here and get pulled out of the trash here so why not there as well?
    
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    June 17, 2024 10:48pm
- Jake Dee
  
  Well, I would be interested in seeing your AP link to that story. Here is my RT link to the story
  https://www.rt.com/news/599409-chinese-military-secrets-scrap/
  
  It seems to be about some soldiers who were in charge of incinerating documents but sold them to the recyclers. Some enthusiast bought them and reported to the authorities that they were marked confidential.
  If you see the same information reported by two different (and in this case opposed entities) it’s a strong indication that it’s accurate. Now these are both reports of a report, but it is strong indication that the original report exists, and those statements were in it, but it doesn’t tell us about the accuracy of those statements.
  But if the Chinese ministry of state security IS running a campaign against information leaks (and why wouldn’t they?) then putting out some information in comic book form makes sense.
  Kids like comics and you want to reach the kids too.
  That’s how I grind my salt.
  
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  June 17, 2024 10:38pm
Maggie Pie

Remember I posted last week on GD about my ability in being able to spot a ‘wig wearer’ from a mile off?

Well, we watched Trooping-the-Color last nite….. I was the first to yell “WIG” when Kate appeared on screen:D 😀 😀
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June 17, 2024 11:02am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  My wife was probably a millisecond behind you !, in any case all the best for her battle.
  
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  June 17, 2024 11:33am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’ll be taking the wife out for dinner then?
    
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    June 17, 2024 12:28pm
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      Close, I bought her a new Dyson
      
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      June 17, 2024 4:41pm
- MCōs
  
  Well spotted
  However
  Everyone knows she’s undergoing chemotherapy and pretty much everybody loses their hair as a result
  Blokes like me with no hair don’t attract too much, for a young woman such as Kate there is no option, but wear a wig
  Mine grew back after six months and I expect her’s will eventually
  
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  June 17, 2024 12:28pm
Jack5

The booming Korean car maker Hyundai, which also makes Kia, is setting up for big expansion in India.

It’s about to sell a 17.5 per cent stake in itself into what looks set to be India’s biggest share issue.

Hyundai’s invested more than $NZ8 billion on car production plants in India, and plans to invest another $NZ6.5 billion.

Reuters says the issue is aimed at putting Hyundai Motor India on a stronger footing versus Maruti Suzuki, Tata Motors and other rivals as it could make future fundraising easier, without dependency on its Korean parent.

India has a target of 30 per cent of cars being electric by 2030.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/hyundai-unit-files-ipo-india-2024-06-15/
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June 17, 2024 11:05am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  As Lydia Ko is married to the son of someone high up in Hyundai maybe she can get some investment our way.
  
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  June 17, 2024 1:05pm
- Paulus
  
  But nowhere to charge them !
  
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  June 17, 2024 1:32pm
I remember when

Please don’t ask me to prove that I’m Maori enough: One News.
“My whanau has never questioned being Maori – so why do I have to prove my Maori “blood” to Pakeha – and sometimes even feel the need to prove myself to Maori too? By Lauren Keenan.”

I guess this can be annoying, however, is it any different to a question about how Irish ‘blood’ you have?
Or, is it really about where The Treaty of Waitangi arguments will be directed in future?
How do we decide whether a person’s ancestors were responsible for ‘colonialism’ or whether they have been a ‘victim’?
In fact, can you be both a victim and a perpetrator?
Is the item merely the first in an increasingly frequent flow that is used to set the facts before the debate?
Or, should the question be decided during the debate?
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June 17, 2024 11:23am
- cmm
  
  The “drop of blood” doctrine is a cultural issue, not a medical issue. What matters is what your body is, not how you feel.
  
  How you feel about your Maoriness should have little bearing on medical questioning about your body/biochemistry, just as a biological male who feels they are female should still be questioned on issues related to their penis, testosterone etc and should not be asked about their menstrual health.
  
  MS is low amongst those of Maori genetics, therefore it is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask a person how “Maori” they are.
  
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  June 17, 2024 12:16pm
  - cmm
    
    Oh and she’s a member of the Waitangi Tribunal, so no doubt over-eager to find something to go thermo-nuclear about.
    
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    June 17, 2024 12:20pm
    - Paulus
      
      Nah, Nah, the Waitangi Tribunal is always right, despite being unelected !
      But that is not prejudice is it ?
      
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      June 17, 2024 1:35pm
- Jack5
  
  It’s a pertinent issue in NZ, where we have at least one prominent person with about 6.25 per cent Maori genes identifying as Maori.
  
  Intermarriage between Maori and non-Maori has always occurred in NZ, so the average proportion of Maori genes in people who identify as Maori continues to fall.
  
  For a moment ignore details of genetic science and lies such as Maori having “stronger genes”. A 6.25 per cent proportion of genetic inheritance would come from one great-great grandparent.
  
  In a few decades, having one great-great-great grandparent will be giving some New Zealanders 3.125 per cent Maori genetic heritage.
  
  The mood of the moment is for part-Maori folk to identify as Maori, but moods change.
  
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  June 17, 2024 12:26pm
  - Paulus
    
    Winston said a few 7ears ago that to be a Maori the ratio was 1/512.
    And that genetically Maori came from tribes still in South East Taiwan so in reality Chinese.
    
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    June 17, 2024 1:37pm
    - NoFax
      
      The indeginous peoples of Taiwan are Austronesian and more connected to the peoples of Malaysia, Indonesia, and Micronesia rather than the Han Chinese of China. The Han (about 90% of PRC and 95% of Taiwan) did not arrive in Taiwan until the 17th century.
      
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      June 17, 2024 2:34pm
    - cmm
      
      1/512 means one ancestor 9 generations back being Maori. At 20 years a generation, that goes back 180 years.
      
      It would be harder to go much further back than that due to the limited number of generations available.
      
      Sure it is possible, even likely, that some of Tasman’s sailors and subsequent whalers etc offloaded some genetic material in the 1600s, and Cook’s mob in the 1700s, but those people would be 95%+ Maori at the time of large white influx in the early 1800s.
      
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      June 17, 2024 3:26pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Unlikely to be Tasman’s sailors. If I recall my history correctly, the closest Tasman & his crew got to land & the locals was when their rowing boat was attacked by a waka.
        
        In any case, should any of those sailors have somehow survived long enough to breed, any byblows would have been eaten along with the rest of the tribe by the iwi that now claims ownership of Golden Bay.
        
        Which, incidentally, is why there is no Maori lore about the day that white people first arrived in NZ.
        
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        June 17, 2024 7:39pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I don’t think Tasman’s sailors had any opportunity to impregnate Maori (they didn’t come ashore anywhere in NZ).
        
        https://nzhistory.govt.nz/page/first-contact-between-maori-and-europeans
        
        The sealers and whalers arrived after Cook…. ie post
        1770s
        
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        June 17, 2024 7:48pm
kiwikidsnz

Then there’s those who wilfully ignore & obfuscate the democratic principles they claim to live in

“Previously in peacetime, the Pentagon needed approval of embassy officials before conducting psychological operations in a country, often hamstringing commanders seeking to quickly respond to Beijing’s messaging, three former Pentagon officials told Reuters.

But in 2019, before COVID surfaced in full force, then-Secretary of Defense Mark Esper signed a secret order that later paved the way for the launch of the US military propaganda campaign. The order elevated the Pentagon’s competition with China and Russia to the priority of active combat, enabling commanders to sidestep the State Department when conducting psyops against those adversaries. The Pentagon spending bill passed by Congress that year also explicitly authorized the military to conduct clandestine influence operations against other countries, even “outside of areas of active hostilities”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2024/06/investigation-pentagon-ran-secret-anti-vax-campaign-in-the-philippines-to-undermine-china-during-covid-pandemic.html
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June 17, 2024 11:45am
sirknz

Greens about to hold a press conference about ‘a sensitive and personal matter’.

It’s going to be a cancer scare, probably Marama, so that they can hammer the cancer drugs thing at the current government would be my bet.

Edit: it appears I am right as Marama is undergoing treatment for breast cancer.
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June 17, 2024 12:01pm
- cmm
  
  I wish her the best, but playing a victim card now doesn’t absolve her of her disgusting behaviour.
  
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  June 17, 2024 12:21pm
- Ghost
  
  No one gets cancer for political gain. It’s not a cancer scare, she has breast cancer and is taking by the sound of it at least 4 months off for her treatment.
  
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  June 17, 2024 12:21pm
  - cmm
    
    Nobody gets it for political gain.
    
    But if you’re dealt the cards you can spin it for political gain.
    
    She’s taking 4 months off? Yeah, so how can you tell? She doesn’t seem to do anything when she’s “on”.
    
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    June 17, 2024 12:28pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Like when James Shaw got attacked and the Greens lied and told everyone that the attacker was screaming about the Global Immigration Compact?
      
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      June 17, 2024 1:10pm
    - nova
      
      Actually, she is taking “for months” off, according to Stuff:
      “She said it would likely take about for months for treatment and recovery, although timings were unclear at this stage.”
      I guess they got the last part right, the timings are definitely unclear!
      
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      June 17, 2024 1:15pm
      - MCōs
        
        She’s having a mastectomy plus a course of chemo takes 15wks
        Nikki Kaye was off from early Sept-2016 until early the next year.
        Chemotherapy is a wretched business. It buggers your immunity apart from anything else. I was told to keep away from crowds etc for the duration, particularly at this time of year.
        
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        June 17, 2024 5:05pm
  - MCōs
    
    She may not be using her cancer to score political points, but you can be quite sure others will attempt to prove she is
    
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    June 17, 2024 12:38pm
  - Jack5
    
    Ghost is right. All the best in this challenge, Marama Davidson.
    
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    June 17, 2024 12:39pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Coincidentally, I see where Golriz is due to be sentenced this month as well.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  June 17, 2024 12:25pm
  - MCōs
    
    Oh Gloriz is due for sentencing!
    I should have known one of the Greens would get cancer
    What a fucking happy coincidence!
    If she’s having chemotherapy no guessing who will be first to spot the wig
    
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    June 17, 2024 12:48pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Of even more concern, is the number of people on ‘X’ who are now speculating that the ‘Member-for-Tijuana’ will step into the co-leaders roll before the end of the year 🙁
      
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      June 17, 2024 12:58pm
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        It will be Tamatha.
        
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        June 17, 2024 1:24pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Non rainbow would be indicated for balance.
        
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        June 17, 2024 2:24pm
      - MCōs
        
        She’s not dead yet
        Both my mother and sister recovered from breast cancer as did Nikki Kaye
        
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        June 17, 2024 2:37pm
- PurplePen
  
  Any other politician, maybe from any other party, would have just issued a statement much like Kate (Royal Family) did. But no .. and I’ve lost all sympathy because of this .. Marama turns her condition into a political statement and party political broadcast. The Greens have no sense of propriety and rarely practice what they preach. Pharasees.
  
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  June 17, 2024 12:30pm
  - Ghost
    
    It was John Key that announced Nikki Kaye was having time off to fight her breast cancer. Difference is this is a party leader who has it and making the announcement. Good on her, hopefully it gets more woman going and getting checked.
    
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    June 17, 2024 3:01pm
    - MCōs
      
      Here is the Kiwiblog reaction to John Key’s announcement that Nikki Kaye would take time off to recover from from breast cancer.
      No speculation of it being a diversion from whatever was going on at the time or suggestion of anything political in the announcement
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/09/nikki.html#google_vignette
      
      One interesting comment
      mikemikemikemike
      I wish Nikki all the very best. Many in my family have been victims of Cancer – its a horrible disease and she is so very young.
      I do wonder though, if this was Helen Clark or Sur Bradford – would people be so generous with their well wishes…I would hope the good wishes flowed just as freely…
      Just a thought
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      June 17, 2024 3:43pm
      - Swifty
        
        And for balance I’d add many on the Left’s reaction to Thatcher’s death.
        
        Disgraceful. Disgusting. Inhuman.
        
        Showed their true selves. Bitter. Bilious. Vile. Poisonous.
        
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        June 17, 2024 3:57pm
      - MCōs
        
        Here’s a few examples from world leaders at the time
        https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-world-reaction?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
        
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        June 17, 2024 4:38pm
      - MCōs
        
        Was this more what you had in mind?
        https://youtu.be/ZGyDMRKDaSc?si=Epu_gQApTIiQXuO8
        
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        June 17, 2024 4:43pm
      - Ghost
        
        Unfortunately there are some who don’t know when to put the game of politics aside and have compassion
        
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        June 17, 2024 5:33pm
      - Swifty
        
        No MCos, more like this:
        
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jMpPLOYAsQ0
        
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DI9KlIJfXQU
        
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wrxy93fY3vI
        
        Vile lefties. Nasty.
        
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        June 17, 2024 7:49pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  I hope she recovers quickly. It is a horrible affliction to have.
  
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  June 17, 2024 1:08pm
- mandk
  
  Cue the release of the report on Darleen Tana.
  
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  June 17, 2024 1:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is good that Marama has fronted up rather than have the media scum speculate.
  I am not a fan of Marama Davidson, for reasons I won’t say here and now.
  
  I detest cancer – any type. I have low level prostate cancer. The Govt (no matter which Party) needs to start addressing the treatment options, which they seem to be avoiding.
  
  Time for Women and Men to get real about testing. There are screening programs that are free. Mamograms, PSA, bowel, colonoscopies.
  Stop being stubborn – just do it.
  
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  June 17, 2024 3:30pm
- Rumblestrip
  
  Many of us say “I wouldn’t wish cancer on my worst enemy.” So while we might not like Davidson or her politics, let’s at least take the high ground and wish her a speedy return to good health.
  
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  June 17, 2024 3:33pm
  - Sol Invictus
    
    Well said.
    
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    June 17, 2024 7:03pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The Greens certainly do seem to be cursed
  
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  June 17, 2024 7:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“This burger is awesome, but…”
“Don’t worry, it’s plant based”
“Really? What Plant?”
“Meat processing Plant”
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June 17, 2024 12:31pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  “Do you want fries with that?”
  
  https://x.com/Salwan_Momika1/status/1802190795765658081
  
  😀 😀 😀
  
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  June 17, 2024 12:52pm
Swifty

“National Living Wage Movement chair Rev Stephen King said universities such as VUW were anchor institutions and had a responsibility to ensure that their workers were paid enough to get by and live a decent life.”

What idealist poppycock. They have no such responsibility whatsoever. The vicar is just making this up.

What about our public institutions’ responsibility to taxpayers to deliver maximum value for their hard-earned taxes, not to mention their responsibility to not get out of kilter with the private sector?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/492028/rnz-becomes-first-living-wage-accredited-media-organisation

By the way, what’s an ‘anchor institution’ in the NZ context? What does that actually mean?

Update – anchor institutions:

https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/the-nhs-as-an-anchor-institution
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June 17, 2024 1:41pm
Matt Long

Robert Irwin is suing One Nation for this video; The State of Queensland
https://youtu.be/Y_Z-nS7mtRQ?si=QVFvSiPcv6jC1IWH
The Irwins aren’t what they used to be.
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June 17, 2024 2:22pm
kevn

Princess Kate she ain’t.
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June 17, 2024 2:26pm
- MCōs
  
  Here we go
  
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  June 17, 2024 2:28pm
MCōs

The other day someone was grizzling about how much the taxpayer was having to fork out for what they considered was wasteful legal expenses
The costs incurred prosecuting and defending the Jaz duet won’t make you feel any better (or David Bain, Arthur Thomas, Scott Watson . . . .)
https://x.com/nettieg3/status/1802520871455846771?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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June 17, 2024 2:27pm
nathie

Woah on newstalkZB, sometimes Jordan Williams from the TPU says some dumb arsd cwap … like NZ should be leasing a VIP jet from Australia (instead of replacing the RNZAF 757’s).

Umm … so he means the next time the NZ Govt flies overseas to the likes of Japan or the United States “our” aircraft has “Royal Australian Air Force” written on it, with an image of the Australian flag on the tail??!!!

After all the plane won’t be repainted with a NZ identity for the handful of times Jordan Williams reckons NZ needs to lease it!

And what about those other times NZ needs to use the jet for other military tasks such as flying NZDF troops and cargo around the world, or to Antarctica?

Continue bludging off Australia??!!
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June 17, 2024 4:43pm
- Ghost
  
  Leasing a plane is the best short term option. It would also allow for nz Air Force and nz flag to be painted onto the plane as any lease will not be short term while we wait for replacements.
  
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  June 17, 2024 4:57pm
- cmm
  
  Militaries around the world routinely charter aircraft for various purposes. Indeed there’s a roaring industry for this purpose.
  
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  June 17, 2024 6:49pm
- Jethrod
  
  How about hiring Graham Hart’s business jet?
  
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  June 17, 2024 7:05pm
- NoFax
  
  The main purpose of the 757s is strategic airlift for the NZDF. That means moving personal and equipment around faster and further than a C130. However, it has a secondary role of VIP transport. Spinning off the VIP transport from the strategic airlift is a sensible idea and for NZ that probably means a mix of commercial and charter including smaller business jets. The replacement of the 757s is a urgent need and the order for the replacements should have already happened.
  
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  June 17, 2024 7:22pm
cmm

Some areas of Christchurch getting power outages due to “powerline tampering”. Let’s call it what it is: theft of power cables – not tampering.

“Fortunately no-one has been injured at this stage, however police remain concerned it is only a matter of time.”

Is it just me? I think that’s damn unfortunate. But rather kill yourself than hurt yourself. I don’t want to be paying ACC to keep some copper-stealing scumbag alive for th next 50 years.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350313390/devastating-effects-police-call-out-spate-powerline-tamperings-christchurch
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June 17, 2024 6:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ever seen those power poles with a padlock and a lever on the side? That is what they will be looking for. No doubt a common key, like a Railways “A” key. Those large green boxes will also have isolators.
  Thing is who is buying this copper? Worth some dollars. Over $6000 per ton a few years ago.
  
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  June 18, 2024 8:00am
Ghost

First an air nz flight to Queenstown hit turbulence now this

A 737 plane has been diverted from Queenstown to Invercargill after flames were reportedly seen from the engine.

According to Lakes Weekly, the plane took off over the Shotover Delta from Queenstown Airport at about 6pm.

Article
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June 17, 2024 6:50pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Unfortunately, my partner believes you will see more and more incidents like this occurring. People with knowledge of the matter are putting it down to Airlines (the likes of Virgin and AirNZ) adopting DEI as part of their compulsory hires.
  
  We first noticed it a couple of years back at the ‘Easter Show’.
  Honestly, you could tell just by looking at the Operator they had in charge of the Gravitron. It was an accident waiting to happen 🙁
  
  Best advice we give friens…. if you cant fly Emirates, stay home.
  
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  June 17, 2024 7:28pm
  - Ghost
    
    So are you telling us the birds that went into the engine were dei hires?
    
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    June 17, 2024 8:31pm
  - Pete
    
    Been working for masons amusement for 3 seasons. Ran the gravitron 2023 is that me your talking about.
    
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    June 17, 2024 8:44pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Maori, 2.1m, solid build, neck tattoo, long blonde wig?
      
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      June 17, 2024 9:13pm
      - Pete
        
        Na that’s ray. Wonder where my wig went
        
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        June 17, 2024 9:17pm

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