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Mike

Happy 80th Birthday to Boz Scaggs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu0jQ5TaRQ
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June 8, 2024 8:03am
- Rusty
  
  @Mike – I liked Boz Scaggs “Silk Degrees” album.
  
  Some trivia ‘Lowdown’ was originally to be the theme song for the ‘Saturday Night fever’ movie. Boz said no and the Bee Gees were then asked.
  
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  June 8, 2024 11:24am
  - Frankie Lee
    
    Follow up “Down Two Then Left” is also a banger.
    
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    June 8, 2024 4:43pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Tory Whanau comes out as ADHD & the usual hacks proclaim her further wonderfulness. I’d say that her alcoholism and ADHD diminishes her ability to perform as Mayor. An inability to focus on detail matters when you’re spending ratepayers money.

Tory out!

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/518960/wellington-mayor-tory-whanau-praised-for-revealing-adhd-diagnosis
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June 8, 2024 8:07am
- artemisia
  
  Mayor Whanau has requested adjustments to her mayoral timetable so her attendance at meetings is shorter and there is time to rest in the afternoon. Presume it is at her request, don’t know.
  
  All good, as she now has a diagnosed disability of some sort so anything less is discrimination.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:38am
  - John Loveridge
    
    30 minutes then Tory checks out. Followed by a little nap. Then another round of self-promotion in the sycophantic media. It’s a wonder any mayoring gets done at all.
    
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    June 8, 2024 9:43am
    - pdm
      
      `It’s a wonder any mayoring gets done at all.’
      
      JL – would that not be for the best?
      
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      June 8, 2024 10:49am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Yes, we would be better off paying her to not come to work. Perhaps even throw in a bar tab at the Roseneath cossie club.
        
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        June 8, 2024 12:02pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        You’re right! I hadn’t considered that angle.
        
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        June 8, 2024 12:39pm
    - Unity
      
      What a perfect excuse to be lazy. She should resign forthwith as she’s obviously not at all suitable to be Mayor and the work is too much for her. Poor Tory!!??
      
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      June 8, 2024 11:24am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        She’s a self entitled leftie
        
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        June 8, 2024 12:37pm
  - backster
    
    Are her wages being reduced to reflect the down time?
    
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    June 8, 2024 11:49am
  - Country Air Ian.
    
    So!! Passing the Baton to the Deputy Mayor.
    Laurie Foon dyed in the wool Greenie.
    
    I dont know who will be worse for Wellington.
    
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    June 8, 2024 3:26pm
- Scott
  
  In the interest of research I looked through Tory’s Instagram page. She is convinced what is happening in Gaza is genocide and Wellington now has a Palestinian sister city. She is all in on trans, marching at the front of a trans march and hugging a person with green hair. She is all in on Maori wards. Her budget is about cycle ways and green energy. Her immediate family appears to be her dog.
  
  https://www.instagram.com/misswhanau?igsh=MXVpNTAyNzFveDEwcQ==
  
  So she is very very liberal, to the point of hard left radical. It’s a shame because she did go to the Anzac parade and some other good things. But sadly Wellington has voted in a left wing radical whose ideology alone is not conducive to a prosperous, well run, family friendly city.
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:43am
  - leoj
    
    In other words: She’s a nutter and a basket case, all wrapped up in one.
    
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    June 8, 2024 11:24am
    - John Loveridge
      
      And chronically lazy too.
      
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      June 8, 2024 12:40pm
    - Notsofast
      
      She is a textbook danger to children.
      
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      June 8, 2024 5:08pm
  - Scooter
    
    Lots of photos/videos of her, look at moi, look at moi! Btw Grant Robertson needs to lose some weight asap.
    
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    June 8, 2024 5:39pm
- Scooter
  
  I wonder if this “diagnosis” isn’t just setting her up for a reason to not stand again for mayor? I can’t remember what interview it was but when it came out that she renewed her Green membership she categorically said she would stand at the next election. Maybe now she’ll pull out the mental health card to bow out.
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:12pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Dial a (convenient) diagnosis?
  
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  June 8, 2024 6:52pm
Terry Dalee

I don’t mean to lessen or trivialize the challenges that cancer fighters and patients go through. My thoughts are with them…

But what’s with the flood of cancer stories of the “this drug is not funded” or “have to travel overseas for treatment” by the NZ Herald….

Maybe they should have spent an extra $50 million on cancer treatment than on singing and dancing….
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June 8, 2024 8:07am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Comes from the same place as the sleeping in cars sob stories. Labour pisses billions against a wall – nothing to see here. National in power… “Oh woe is us!”
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:46am
- Loddenthinks
  
  You’re questioning the MSM’s relentless attack on the coalition government, and framing of everything they do in the most pejorative terms?
  
  Did you just arrive in New Zealand from Mars?
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:50am
  - Terry Dalee
    
    To be honest sir, I did just get off the aircraft from Brisbane.
    I haven’t seen a single road cone for several months, until I got to Auckland.
    
    So in answer to the question. You are correct..I might as well have arrived from Mars..
    
    It is scary after several months away, to realise the stark different there is between NZ and Australia and how people here can’t see it, much like a frog in a slow boiling pot…
    
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    June 9, 2024 12:22am
- KH
  
  And it’s odd there is never a campaign against the outrageous pricing by drug companies.
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:30am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s ridiculous to blame capitalism …
    
    The typical cost of developing a new drug is now about $NZ3.75 billion.
    
    A good slice of this comes from the rigorous international testing required since the thalidomide disaster.
    
    NZ might save by buying Third World patent-breaking copies, but that might play hell with our overseas exports.
    
    https://www.genengnews.com/gen-edge/the-unbearable-cost-of-drug-development-deloitte-report-shows-15-jump-in-rd-to-2-3-billion/
    
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    June 8, 2024 1:36pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      and digging down the actuall report rather than a journos take.
      
      Key takeaways
      
      Projected return on investment in pharma research and development (R&D) in 2023 has risen to 4.1%, climbing back from 2022’s record low of 1.2%.
      
      The leading 20 global pharmaceutical companies collectively spent $145 billion on R&D in 2023, up 4.5% from 2022.
      
      Total sales revenue for the leading 20 global pharmaceutical companies continues to trend upward, increasing by 9.6% from FY2021 to FY2022.
      
      One-third of development programs targeted rare diseases in 2023.
      
      Artificial Intelligence (AI) is yet to be a game-changer in pharma R&D
      
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      June 8, 2024 3:34pm
      - Jack5
        
        Elaborating one one of the points Ra Henare noted as he delved into the report ….
        
        …the return on investment reaped by biopharmas for new drugs and vaccines plunged last year[2022] by 82%, to 1.2%—the lowest percentage recorded in the 13 years Deloitte launched its annual reports on biopharma R&D—from 6.8% in 2021 and 10.1% in 2010, the first year studied by Deloitte.
        
        The report also notes the pressure on drug development from insurers. It talks of drug developers’ “clash with insurers loathe to pay for costly treatments whose benefit to patients they deem marginal at best.”
        
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        June 8, 2024 9:55pm
    - KH
      
      You do realise they don’t actually spend much on new drugs. The research they mostly spend on is replicate existing market successful drugs. But just different enough to sidestep the patents.
      
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      June 8, 2024 4:43pm
    - KH
      
      You are the only one who mentioned capitalism Jack5.
      
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      June 8, 2024 4:45pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Prior to covid, the Leftie mantra was – Down with Big Pharma!
    
    Funny how quickly Pfizer became the darling of the scene.
    
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    June 8, 2024 6:31pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Indeed. Prior to climate madness the left were into all sorts of “alternative” voodoo/woo crap. Now the “The Science™️” is the latest thing they mindlessly follow.
      
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      June 8, 2024 6:57pm
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  The flood of cancer drug stories are originally started by the pharmaceutical companies that want their treatments funded.
  Even those patients advocacy groups are started by the same companies, then the more photogenic patients become the spokespersons.
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:52am
Matt Long

Probably not the biggest scandal to hit the press, but par for the course, AP admits they published lies from Hamas as factual. Only the most credulous or anti semetic would have believed their figures anyway. https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/the-biggest-media-scandal-of-the-era-has-arrived/
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June 8, 2024 8:07am
- Matt Long
  
  In other news, Islamists continue their genocide against Christians in Nigeria, but that’s okay because cultural values, like JT and the waipareira trust, and not newsworthy.
  https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1798712438600434105
  
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  June 8, 2024 8:13am
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I’m looking forward to reading your corrected total number of children killed. Is it only 5,000? More? Fewer?
  How many dead babies do you think there should be in Gaza?
  
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  June 8, 2024 8:16am
  - Matt Long
    
    There should be as close to zero as possible deaths due to conflict in Gaza. This requires the war to stop, no doubt you’re still calling on Hamas to release the hostages, turn over the murderers and cease hostilities,as you have since October.
    
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    June 8, 2024 10:00am
    - Matt Long
      
      [Mod – leave the personal crap out of it]
      
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      June 8, 2024 10:04am
      - Mike
        
        Tut tut.
        Seeing that Mr Netanyahu has no realistic war aims, and Mr Biden is locked into supporting him while uttering feeble protests, it seems unlikely that the war will end anytime soon. But are you prepared to give a figure for the number of children dead you consider to be about right?
        
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        June 8, 2024 10:22am
      - Matt Long
        
        Ok, some people have been making the the same kinds of remarks that Israel shouldn’t defend itself because of civilian casualties for more than 50 years.
        https://x.com/TheMossadIL/status/1798013860294856953
        
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        June 8, 2024 10:36am
      - Mike
        
        Matt Long writes as if there were something wrong with expecting states to comply with international law.
        
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        June 8, 2024 11:49am
      - Local Miller
        
        And Mike writes as if he believes Hamas don’t use civilians as human shields.
        
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        June 8, 2024 4:33pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mike’s troll/strawman/grub comment above: “How many dead babies do you think there should be in Gaza?”
        
        Mike further down: “How else to explain the childish taunts at the end of every comment?”
        
        Do you have a mirror Mike? Try a bit of self reflection.
        
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        June 8, 2024 7:04pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Both sides are at fault for the war continuing.
      So pick a side and lambast the other side.
      
      The questions I have.
      a) Who is causing the most casualties.
      b) How is the eradication of HAMAS fighters coming along after 245 days. (8 months?)
      
      From D Day to VE day was 11 months.
      Yep take over all of occupied western Europe. Not a 25 mile by 5 mile already occupied territory called Gaza.
      
      Makes you think doesnt it. What with the superior force of IDF and all that.
      
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      June 8, 2024 3:43pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘a) Who is causing the most casualties?’
        Thats irrelevant. The British lost less people than the Germans so you have made a pointless comment. Besides Hamas shouldnt hide behind civilians, or in Hospitals and Schools
        b) Eradicating Hamas is going very well. Almost finished. Its taking a long time because Israel is being careful. It is remarkable how few civilians they have killed.
        Israel could have ended the War in days by flattening Gaza but didnt.
        I’m starting to think you’re not very bright.
        How long have you hated Jews anyway?
        
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        June 8, 2024 4:00pm
      - Mike
        
        I’m starting to think All_on_Red is demonstating an inability to grasp the gist of Ra Henare’s arguments.
        How else to explain the childish taunts at the end of every comment?
        
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        June 8, 2024 5:52pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Of course I do this all the time.
        Maybe All On Red might consider this
        
        https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1Bh3EdT9p0Y?feature=share
        
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        June 8, 2024 8:00pm
  - rouppe
    
    Those babies are dead because their parents and uncles and aunts voted in a regime that hates their neighbor.
    
    Some of those same parents, uncles, brothers invaded another country and murdered people, gang raped women, and abducted citizens.
    
    They still hold some of those citizens. After months of calls to release those hostages, after initial military action showing their intent to search for those hostages, the parents, uncles, aunts and brothers of those babies refused to do so.
    
    So imagine if the Killer Beez came to your house, raped your partner and abducted your daughter. Would your response be
    a) that’s ok, the killer beez can keep my child because i don’t want any of the killer beez to be hurt looking for her. Or
    b) please get my child back, do whatever it takes.
    
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    June 8, 2024 10:11am
    - Mike
      
      This is along the same lines as asking a conscientious objector what he would do if a German soldier was raping his sister.
      What I wouldn’t be doing in your charmingly contrived scenario would be asking the police to murder gang members’ children as a form of persuasion.
      
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      June 8, 2024 10:26am
      - rouppe
        
        Again, you never answer a question put to you that is as inflammatory as the ones you ask others.
        
        Your statement of not “asking the police to murder gang members’ children as a form of persuasion” is equality contrived.
        
        If the police went to the gang members house and said I’m searching it for a missing child and they were shot at, what then?
        
        “Mike couldn’t get your daughter. They were mean. Soz.”
        
        Tonight, when you’re reading her a bed time story, be sure to tell her that if she goes missing your not going to look for her.
        
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        June 8, 2024 10:42am
      - Mike
        
        You come back with another even more absurd fantasy. Perhaps you should stick to explaing what Palestinian women and children should be doing today to stop being murdered.
        
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        June 8, 2024 11:53am
      - rouppe
        
        Overthrow Hamas, and return the hostages.
        
        Now i know I’ve gotten under your skin. That brings me some satisfaction.
        
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        June 8, 2024 1:29pm
      - Jack5
        
        Of Rouppe’s comment to Mike/Milky … you never answer a question put to you that is as inflammatory as the ones you ask others…
        
        Mike/Milky’s strategy is the “straw man approach”. This is an argumentive (rather than logical) technique in which you unjustifiably add or extend a person’s argument, then ridicule or attack the extension.
        
        https://www.grammarly.com/blog/straw-man-fallacy/
        
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        June 8, 2024 1:43pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Roupe
      What a fantastic imagination you have.
      Drawing some outlandish conclusions.
      But we support freedom of speech, no matter how crazed it is.
      
      May I point out that HAMAS is nothing like the Killer Bees scenario you paint. HAMAS is operating against their declared oppressor. Killer Beez are operating in a freeish society doing their own crazy shit.
      Remind me. Why would Killer Beez come to your house. What secrets are you hiding from us?
      
      But keep your imagination working. It provides light entertainment for those who have the ability to think rationally.
      
      I expect a personal attack in response, accusing me of being a jew hater or a HAMAs support. Neither are true of course.
      
      But if it makes you feel better, fill ya boots.
      
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      June 8, 2024 3:51pm
      - rouppe
        
        1. You got my name wrong
        2. You’ve declared what my response will be which is interesting given you know nothing of me.
        3. I didn’t suggest the killer beez would come to my house.
        4. Are you suggesting that the Killer Beez do not see the rest of society as objects to be used for their own purposes? That’s a bit naive. I suggest you don’t have a clue, having been in Cambodia for some time.
        5. You suggest i don’t think rationally. Based only on that you have a different opinion. That’s as arrogant as Mike.
        
        The fact is that i used Mike’s techniques on him. Deliberately. Purposefully. Intentionally. That was my sole purpose.
        
        And he didn’t like it. I don’t care if you don’t like it.
        
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        June 9, 2024 11:00am
  - Red
    
    Dead Babies are a ‘thing’ in New Zealand too, so what is your point?.
    The number of abortions performed in 2020 (13,246) increased slightly compared with the number performed in 2019 (12,948) (Figure 1.1). The ratio was 186 abortions per 1,000 known pregnancies in 2020, up from 177 per 1,000 known pregnancies in 2019 (Figure 1.2).
    https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/abortion_services_aotearoa_new_zealand_annual_report_2021_8_oct.pdf
    
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    June 8, 2024 1:24pm
  - Clyde
    
    How many Hamas bases should be in hospitals or schools?
    
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    June 8, 2024 1:46pm
- artemisia
  
  Always wondered how many of the deaths reported died of natural causes. The World Bank produces approx all cause deaths per thousand population, latest 2022. West Bank and Gaza – 4 per 1,000.
  
  One of the lowest globally, but with an estimated Gaza population of more than 2 mill and not at war ….
  
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  June 8, 2024 8:28am
  - kowtow
    
    Talking of war , isn’t it amazing how the current White House ties the hands of its ally in a just war against evil and yet in revenge for other outrages the WH has massacred hundreds of thousands and turned any number of countries into failed states .
    
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    June 8, 2024 8:39am
    - rouppe
      
      Speaking of thing hands, a fund manager just indigent me that is market fund is changing to MSCI World ex Australia ESG Screened Index.
      
      By changing the market index to the new MSCI ESG Screened indices, there will now be a layer of ESG screening applied to your investments along with a target to reduce its relative carbon emissions.
      
      I’ve led in with a question about the relative long term returns from that index vs the one they changed from, but I’m thinking of asking them why they support Putin, because making Northrup Grummond weaker by not investing in them makes Putin stronger since he doesn’t buy his gear from them.
      
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      June 8, 2024 10:18am
    - AgainstTheFlow
      
      That’s part of Biden’s two state solution – Michigan and Minnesota, where he needs Muslim votes.
      
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      June 8, 2024 10:56am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Of course 2022 was the highest death toll of Palestinians at the hands of Israelis for some years
    
    At least 220 people have died in Israeli attacks across the occupied territories, including 48 children. Of the total death toll, 167 were from the West Bank and East Jerusalem and 53 were from the Gaza Strip.
    
    https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc15086.doc.htm
    
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    June 8, 2024 3:56pm
- NothingLeft
  
  AP is now just another propaganda outlet, not a news source. For example trying to spin Biden’s weird crouching followed by being shuffled off stage moment at the D-Day celebration yesterday – something they would clearly never do for eg Trump (that they promulgated endless half-truths and lies about). They’ve become yet another extreme partisan elites/corporate-interests-aligned outlet. Only fit to be ignored if they can’t call a spade a spade..
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:11pm
Matt Long

This may explain the modern leftist, a 2008 Oxford study showed Vegans’ brains shrunk by 5% in 5 years of changing to veganism.
https://youtube.com/shorts/zbO2_P1ylHE?si=Obqxp_YwfTDwbe_g
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June 8, 2024 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some big chunks of red meat would have stopped that.//
  With a 5% lose if size there must be a reduction in the way these people think. Is that why they are so desperate to tell you and the World that they are “Vegan”?
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:01am
  - Flossie
    
    I have read stories of the evolution of mankind which say our brains became larger when we discovered making meat part of our diet (making fire and being able to cook it I presume).
    So it therefore follows to my kind of logic that not eating meat would have the reverse effect.
    
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    June 8, 2024 11:55am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Same.
      Maybe we needed more brain capacity to hunt.
      Don’t need much intellect to corner a blackberry!
      
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      June 8, 2024 2:35pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Maybe. Brains shrink about 10-15% between 20 and 80 yrs of age, so some of it would be just age related shrinkage.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_size#/media/File:Brain_weight_age.gif
  
  This is an amazing graph, showing (amongst other things) that average 3yr old boy has a larger brain than an adult women. There has to be significant evolutionary advantage (and cognitive benefit) to men have larger brains than women, given how much extra precious food it requires
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:18pm
Cassandra

Most comments, the media but I hope not the actual investigation are concentrating on the Manurewa Marae and the election. It is a much wider matter. The whole Waipareira empire appears to have consistently broken a number of laws. It has all the hallmarks of corruption, massively. And involves the whole Maori Party. Its caucus room might have to be relocated to Paremoremo.
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June 8, 2024 8:17am
- John Loveridge
  
  Many of us have been waiting a long time for something to blow the lid off that seething cauldron of grift and corruption. Yet it’s only the skin on an entire rice pudding of what goes on in elite Maoridom.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:46am
- The Redbaiter
  
  The use of census data is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of what went on at Manurewa Marae. If we care about corruption, we must ensure that this issue is not used to cloud over the many other abuses of process that occurred.
  
  The mainstream or legacy media is doing exactly that. They are using big headlines in reference to the census information, while equally serious allegations that the Ministry of Social Development paid for the the local candidate’s election campaign received only one line.
  
  This allegation, which apparently involves just as many (or even more people) and relates to what could actually be the stealing of payments meant to go to beneficiaries is being deliberately downplayed by our corrupt legacy media.
  
  We the people, commenters here and also the writers on blogs like this, must push the MSD money aspect to the fore. IMHO It involves a much higher degree of dishonesty and potential criminality than the misuse of the census data, and that is why the MSM is downplaying it.
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    We aint seen nothing yet. The corruption goes back to 1975.
    
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    June 8, 2024 1:47pm
Bridgenag

🚨Breaking News on Climate Change🚨
Increasing sunshine is the cause of all surface warming this century and declining cloud coverage is releasing heat twice as fast as the greenhouse gas effect traps heat in the lower troposphere.

https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/breaking-news-on-climate-change?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 8, 2024 8:39am
- Biscuit
  
  Bridgenag, beaut fine day here at 8.50 am with not a cloud in the sky.
  
  My on-screen weather synopsis calls that ‘Partly sunny, ha.
  
  Heaven knows what they’ll reckon in a few hours’ time when Wellington’s typically-superb early winter temps heat up!
  
  I shall wear extra-strength sunblocker for the game at the Cake Tin!
  
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  June 8, 2024 8:51am
  - pdm
    
    We are in sync Biscuit.
    
    My screen too says `Partly Sunny’ and I add temperature of 9degreesC.
    
    Also fine at Otaki and the track is a soft 6.
    
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    June 8, 2024 9:04am
- kowtow
  
  So we need more clouds, which are composed of the most major and influential of green house gasses, dihydrogen oxide , to keep us from warming.
  
  But as dihydrogen oxide is a green house gas , surely we should be striving for net zero of dihydrogen oxide.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The author is misinterpreting the study.
  
  Yes cloud coverage is projected to decrease. What is causing that? Well guess what? Increased greenhouse gas emissions.
  
  https://e360.yale.edu/features/why-clouds-are-the-key-to-new-troubling-projections-on-warming
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:14am
  - I remember when
    
    BY:
    Clouds have long been considered the reason that “Climate Change’ modelling has failed to accurately predict outcomes.
    Naturally, overcoming this weakness is high on the list of necessary research.
    
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    June 8, 2024 9:28am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Interesting ain’t it.
      The “scientific community” are still not sure if clouds help or Hinder “Climate Change”.
      If you are going to destroy your current lifestyle then one would assume you would have extremely accurate “Models” for cloud cover ???
      
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      June 8, 2024 10:44am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Precautionary Principle” IE stay quivering and shitting your pants about all sorts of obscure possibilities instead of developing in leaps and bounds a la most of the 20th century.
        
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        June 8, 2024 7:11pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    BY – I agree the author is misinterpreting the study. Then you do the same with the article you reference.
    
    Your inference that increased greenhouse gas emissions are causing loss of cloud cover is only a suggestion in the article you have posted. Not a definitive proof.
    
    So, lots of research being done, observations being made and hypothesis being postulated. But still not the definitive answer you are suggesting.
    
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    June 8, 2024 9:45am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      That is enough climate change for today. 😃
      
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      June 8, 2024 9:58am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep, Touch base in 30 years to confirm your prediction.//
        
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        June 8, 2024 10:45am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        But will you acknowledge you misinterpreted the study you put forward?
        
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        June 8, 2024 1:05pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Probably not.
        
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        June 8, 2024 2:40pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      If the astrophysicists predicting 30 to 50 years of radical cooling starting in the next few years (IE approx 2025 give or take a few years) are correct the “climate emergency” turd will get truly flushed in order to prevent large northern hemisphere populations from freezing to death.
      
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      June 8, 2024 7:14pm
  - jkt
    
    The base argument of the two reports supports the theory of clouds/climate.
    
    Whether the analysis and interpretation of the new satellite data by Fournier is correct is a good question.
    
    The theory put forward in the Yale report is inconclusive, as reported by the authors. (Scientists say.. is a giveaway.)
    
    At least we have scientific consensus, right?
    
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    June 8, 2024 10:36am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Yep BY.
    I stopped reading as soon as I read
    
    Recent climate models project that a doubling of atmospheric CO2 above pre-industrial levels could cause temperatures to soar far above previous estimates.
    
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    June 8, 2024 4:01pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Why would cloud cover decrease in response to warming? Which inevitably puts more water vapour in the atmosphere. That runs counter to basic thermodynamics and physics and fairly solid rule relating to perturbing equilibriums, Le Chatelier’s Principle:
  
  “If the equilibrium of a system is disturbed by a change in one or more of the determining factors (as temperature, pressure, or concentration) the system tends to adjust itself to a new equilibrium by counteracting as far as possible the effect of the change”
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:24pm
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: $ettled $cience
$tockpiling mRNA $hots for $H5N1$ makes total $ense

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-ettled-cience?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 8, 2024 8:40am
Yvette

Te Pati Māori
Not every government is lucky enough to be gifted a parliamentary opponent who effortlessly makes its leaders look sagacious and principled. Someone who immediately makes them look competent and sane in comparison, and very much the adults in the room.
With his inflammatory slogans, theatrics and intimidating posturing, Rawiri Waititi ably and enthusiastically fulfils that role in New Zealand’s 54th Parliament (albeit with stiff competition from others in Te Pāti Māori, including his co-leader, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer).
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-rawiri-waititi-s-gift-to-the-coalition

Te Pati Māori
Divisive rhetoric chips away at communities
Rawiri Waititi’s divisive comments and behaviour against the present Government, calling them a white/Pākehā Government, is racist and unacceptable. He and the rest of them did not complain when they all got their pay increase from the white pay review board.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/divisive-rhetoric-chips-away-at-communities

Te Pati Māori, John Tamihere
Public inquiry needed on the Manurewa Marae allegations
Last weekend, deeply disturbing allegations emerged that the privacy of New Zealanders’ census data was grossly violated in the lead-up to the 2023 general election.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/bryce-wilkinson-public-inquiry-needed-on-the-manurewa-marae-allegations

Māori King Kingi Tuheitia, Te Pati Māori arrive together for Waitangi commemorations
Also walking on with the King was Te Pati Māori, who chose not to be part of the Opposition delegation welcomed on Saturday – upsetting some within Labour and the Greens.
“Three years ago Labour didn’t want us, and it’s more important that we have the 100 percent mandate from our people, and it’s more important that we stand here in unity with those who represent Te ao Māori, and that’s not Labour,” Te Pati Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer said.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/m-ori-king-kingi-tuheitia-te-pati-m-ori-arrive-together-for-waitangi-commemorations.html

■ How much does Māori King Kingi Tuheitia know?
And if he doesn’t know, why doesn’t he know?
These I would like to know
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June 8, 2024 8:47am
- John Loveridge
  
  I wouldn’t put any kind of spin on anything the derelict old king does because it’s very clear he’s barely aware of the state of his own shoelaces.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:50am
  - Jethrod
    
    Is that Chas or Tu?
    
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    June 8, 2024 10:32am
    - John Loveridge
      
      I was referring to the Tainui king, but it could potentially apply to the guy with the sausage fingers too.
      
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      June 8, 2024 12:48pm
Pineapple Lumps

Have you ever taken the time to consider what effect vaccine mandates have had on our institutions? This is not a question of where you stand on the Covid medical treatments, but a question of the psychological and structural impacts to our institutions due to the staff they lost to mandates. The type of people that have been removed from our institutions are those who had the courage of conviction to not just go along with the herd to the extent they were prepared to lose their jobs. These were strong willed people, thinkers, people with backbones and moral conviction. Their removal from medicine, teaching, police, other public service institutions leaves a more compliant, malleable workforce behind. The type of workforce that can be more readily pushed and cajoled to do its leaders bidding.

I know that trolls will dehumanise the people that were pushed out as anti-vax nutters. The world will be a safer place in their mind with these dangerous vermin removed from herd. Good riddance to the river of filth.

But what do the other good people of KB think? Has removing these people from our institutions created a more readily malleable workforce to be exploited and used to inflict some other great evil in the future?
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June 8, 2024 8:53am
- Mike
  
  No.
  
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  June 8, 2024 8:59am
- NK
  
  Are there now more sheep than before? Probably about the same number. In the fullness of time, the Vaccine (*snigger*) and the mandates and related will be shown up for the farce that it was. The most disgusting event of my lifetime, where the lockdowns, mandates etc ruined more lives than the vaccine (*snigger*) saved.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:02am
  - Grunter
    
    I reckon there will be far less sheep than before. Still more sheepeople than people, but significantly less trust in authority than pre COVID.
    
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    June 8, 2024 2:08pm
- wsk12345
  
  Absolutely it has. I lost my job over it (despite working 100% remotely).
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:02am
  - kevn
    
    wsk…. Not forgetting the thousands of MOH staff who managed to wangle jab exemptions. blomfield would have had to sign off every single one.
    
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    June 8, 2024 10:20am
- imalwaysright
  
  Pineapple,
  Very good point. The mandates were to clear the pitch of those who might start asking awkward questions.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:16am
- JohnRidd
  
  I think you are right,PL.
  
  It is a filtering process that removes wrong think from the institutions.
  
  I understand that if you want a job in some government departments you have to write an essay about the ToW.
  If you have the “wrong ” opinion you don’t get hired.
  
  Not much diversity of opinion allowed.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:28am
- MCōs
  
  There are a number a teachers in our whanau and as anyone knows who has worked with a bunch of people a disruptive colleague can piss everyone off.
  One of my nieces who is a teacher worked in a staff room with just such a person who got on with nobody and it was to no one’s surprise they refused to get vaccinated and had to leave.
  After a period of time the mandates were removed and this particular teacher asked for their job back, but dipped out
  I’ve worked in offices where people have had all sorts of strong views about things, but know when to people don’t want t listen.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:41am
  - Taieri
    
    And the point you are trying to make is…?
    
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    June 8, 2024 10:41am
    - NothingLeft
      
      That contrarians and other espousers of the heterodox shouldn’t be allowed to talk. The ~~sheeple~~ Normies don’t like it.
      
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      June 8, 2024 3:27pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    So most schools are full of brainwashed vegetables?
    
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    June 8, 2024 7:43pm
- artemisia
  
  Also count in the institution of the family. Many of us were denied contact with family, for many months. And quietly vilified for wanting to kill granny. Unsaid but obvious.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:46am
- Master Mariner
  
  Interesting question,
  “Has removing these people from our institutions created a more readily malleable workforce to be exploited and used to inflict some other great evil in the future?”
  I think DEI and ESG has already done this. Pitting Race against race, Identity against Identity, Religion against religion etc etc.
  It all comes down to putting people in Boxes and pit them against each other. A Divide and conquer mentality.
  Here is a fascinating interview from a Russian Philosopher .
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIULmTprQ6o&t=844s
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:59am
- Keith White
  
  The medical regulator made it very clear that if we did not positively signal and act-out support of the vaccine mandates we would not only be denied a renewal of our practising certificate, we would be brought before the Disciplinary Tribunal.
  
  That process is a punishment all in itself, because when you lose (as you will when you go against Medical Council policy) you have to pay their costs as well as your own.
  
  If anybody wants to get back into the good graces of the Medical Council, you currently have to agree to a patient-by-patient observation of your practice, practising in the continuous presence of another doctor – who of course will be reporting back to the Council and for whose attendance in your practice you have to pay. Five figures minimum.
  
  I don’t know anybody who left under threat who wants to resume practice or who has resumed practice. At my age and having been out of country now quite a while, my circle of ex-NZ medical contemporaries is no longer large, but I still know personally of five who quit to retire (quite early) and three who emigrated.
  
  I don’t hold any hope that the new government will provide any sort of incentive or pressure to get the Medical Council to get back in line with natural justice and (however late) abide by the Nuremberg Protocols and the Geneva Conventions and the principles of Informed Consent and Bodily Autonomy and ‘First, Do No Harm’.
  
  That will never happen because everybody in positions of medical, ministry and parliamentary authority would need to recant their cultlike Covid-vax-faith.
  
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  June 8, 2024 11:46am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Well said Keith, you would think that there would be a route through the public courts to remedy this but I don’t believe the judiciary are willing to step out of line, as in do their actual job!
    You would also think that our, supposedly top, human rights lawyers would be in boots and all to make good these draconian attacks on our freedom. Palmer, Chen, Hodge, etc all very silent unless you want them to review a treaty grievance. They were like covidian cicadas, burying themselves safely out of harms way until the comforting warmth of a public funded gravy train pulled out of the station.
    
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    June 8, 2024 12:48pm
Jack5

Is Wily-Willie Jackson preparing to jump from Labour to the Maori Party?

Chippy better watch what Wily will take with him.

Here is Wily attacking National in defence of the Maori separatists:

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/getting-away-with-blue-murder-jackson-calls-for-same-scrutiny-of-national-as-te-pati-m%C4%81ori-in-fiery-interview/ar-BB1nLLWE?
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June 8, 2024 8:59am
- Yvette
  
  Is Wily-Willie Jackson preparing to jump from Labour to the Maori Party?
  
  I doubt it – why would he jump now?
  Even Willie will know about “jumping from the frying pan, into the fire”, Western children’s concept as that may be.
  Better to remain a 5th columnist where he is.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:43am
  - jkt
    
    Willie stands on his principles!
    Willie has many principles. He is a principal man, when what we need is principled politicians.
    
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    June 8, 2024 10:48am
    - Ruawai
      
      And if you don’t like those principles, he has more…
      
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      June 8, 2024 1:43pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Willy is exactly where JT wants him, inside a competitor party ….
  
  Who knows what is discussed over canapes and fillet steak at chez Tamihere when Willie rolls round for a BFF chat….
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:27am
- Swifty
  
  Willie would lose much of his power and ability to influence governments by jumping waka away from Labour and to the Maori Party.
  
  Not to mention kissing goodbye to any future chance of being a Minister again.
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

At some stupid hour early this morning I was awake so saved a few things for now.
Been unwell for 3 days and it’s not Covid. Must be bird flu.
Anyway:

Donald Trump made a D-Day speech where he did not mention the fallen much but he did turn it into about himself.
But it is different when the left do it. Most media missed this:

Hillary Clinton blasted over ‘sick and disgusting’ D-Day post.

She compared the fight against Nazi Germany to voting against Trump in November.
Seriously? The crazy woman has no idea! She has FREEDOM ffs. Germany was ousted from France with the help of the Americans. Talk about no respect.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/hillary-clinton-blasted-over-sick-and-disgusting-d-day-post/ss-BB1nP7oL?
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June 8, 2024 9:13am
- Keith White
  
  Fear not Steve, we’re saved!!!
  
  MONDAY, June 3, 2024 (HealthDay News) — As the H5N1 avian flu continues to spread among dairy cows in the United States, nearly 5 million doses of flu vaccine are now being prepared for possible use in humans.
  
  Vaccine maker CSL Seqirus announced last week that it has been tasked with making the additional doses of flu vaccine at its North Carolina plant.
  
  “It is currently positioned to deliver up to 150 million influenza vaccine doses to support an influenza pandemic response within six months of a pandemic declaration,” the company noted in a news release.
  
  Phew!
  
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  June 8, 2024 11:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Create a vaccine, then create a virus to suit it.
    
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    June 8, 2024 1:49pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      S.O
      They don’t even need a virus. They only need enough frightened people to believe there is a virus.
      Its terrorism at its most effective.
      
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      June 8, 2024 2:53pm
- Red
  
  Steve-O, here is Trump describing 10 historic battles on the Tube of You…
  https://youtu.be/OSoyyErZ3Zo
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good satire by the bee. I did post it early in the week, or last week. 🙂
    
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    June 9, 2024 7:07am
Pineapple Lumps

LOTTO powerball multi-million dollar prizes are good for business.

The lotteries commission sold 1.7m tickets on Wednesday, at an average of $20 each that is $34m of sales. They have since increase the prize by $7m. A net $27m of earnings.

Tonight’s draw is expected to result in 2M tickets sold, so $40m of sales and none of this to be added to the prize pool.

So the Lotto business model gets more profitable the higher these prize pools jump up.

Have you got your ticket yet?

Note: $20 average ticket value is an assumption.
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June 8, 2024 9:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All a waste of money. They may win some small prizes but the $50M winning ticket will be bought by 10.30, depending on how long the queue is.
  Really the $50M will be won by some old biddy who is down to her last $5M and has bought 5 tickets in her life.
  Then again, my partner who rarely buys a ticket is going to get a $7 ticket. I think she will share.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:42am
  - Jethrod
    
    So if she wins, you will have a big party and with the last $7 left over, buy another ticket?
    
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    June 8, 2024 10:37am
    - Don Beckett
      
      No jackpot with a $7. ticket.
      
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      June 8, 2024 11:36am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I thought there was. Anyway I told her not to be a miserable tightarse, so she lashed out $20.
        
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        June 8, 2024 1:51pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Lotto is a tax for people that are no good at maths.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:56am
  - jkt
    
    There is very little correlation between statistics and luck.
    
    But logic dictates that you must be in it to win it.
    
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    June 8, 2024 10:52am
    - CJames
      
      To about 6 significant figures, my probability of winning Lotto is the same as a punter. Except I have saved the cost of a ticket.
      
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      June 8, 2024 11:14am
      - jkt
        
        Up to date only people who have a ticket has won lotto.
        Like a 100% correlation.
        
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        June 8, 2024 2:49pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        jkt.
        Your wisdom astounds me. 😆
        
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        June 8, 2024 5:32pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That’s what I tell my grandson. He reckons he is going to win it one day, but he is yet to buy a ticket.
      
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      June 8, 2024 1:52pm
  - pdm
    
    Lodden – most of the time I would agree with you but tonight someone or several people must win big.
    
    You cannot do that if you do not have a ticket.
    
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    June 8, 2024 10:57am
    - Quail
      
      Best use for Lotto $50 m is to use it to create a new national news agency that reports facts without any opinion!
      
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      June 8, 2024 8:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Activists Mourn Tiananmen Massacre Victims.

A good read.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/china/activists-mourn-tiananmen-massacre-victims-remind-world-of-ccps-brutal-legacy-5662152?
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June 8, 2024 9:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Let’s have a bit of AI.

WATCH: What Trump’s Felony Convictions Could Mean for His Future.
Video 3.51.

https://rightsideoffers.com/thepoliticalmovement/watch-what-trumps-felony-convictions-could-mean-for-his-future/?
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June 8, 2024 9:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Rare and ‘unusual’ cancers appear to be linked to Covid.
IMO those involved with ‘gain of function’ in viruses and the funding of it need to start answering questions.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/health/other/rare-and-unusual-cancers-appear-to-be-linked-to-covid/ar-BB1nKHam?

Benedict answered:

I} have not ventured into the ‘”gain of function’ allegations.

However, as COVID can inflame multiple organs, it seems plausible that it can lead to cancer.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10202899/

No doubt it will take several more years for the picture to become clear.
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June 8, 2024 9:20am
- imalwaysright
  
  S.O
  No need to worry! Pfizer has bought a company that makes cancer “drugs”, just keep taking the Pfizer boosters and let Pfizer worry about the cancerous aftereffects!
  
  https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-invests-43-billion-battle-cancer
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:40am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The article is about COVID causing cancers. 🙄
    
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    June 8, 2024 10:00am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Clearly.
      My inference is that the cancers are caused by the jab, hence Pfizer buying a company to solve a problem they are themselves creating.
      
      If Covid can cause cancer then why is it classified as a covid virus? No other covid virus causes cancer. Wouldn’t a virus that causes cancer have its own classification?
      
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      June 8, 2024 10:07am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        HPV causes cancer – Cervical cancer in females.
        
        So viruses causing cancer is not an unknown thing
        
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        June 8, 2024 10:30am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “If Covid can cause cancer then why is it classified as a covid virus?”
        
        It is a corona virus. Many different viruses cause cancer. Why should COVID be exempt?
        
        Anyway if you are right, New Zealand is doomed. The highest vaccination rate globally. I am especially doomed with six shots. 😂
        
        The idea that the covid vaccines cause cancer is about as plausible as the damaging myth that MMR vaccines cause autism.
        
        These conspiracy theories matter because they kill people.
        
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        June 8, 2024 10:39am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Conspiracies kill people.
        Conspiracy theories are mental excercises based on skepticism and paranoia.
        Without skepticism and paranoia we would be a population of smiling compliant zombies.
        
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        June 8, 2024 10:50am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Jbj
        I’m referring to covid viruses.
        Should have clarified.
        
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        June 8, 2024 11:20am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        6 shots Benedict? Well it is “safe and effective” you know.
        Someone told us.
        
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        June 8, 2024 1:56pm
I remember when

Bigotry Against Anglicans:
Is this increasingly the way that decisions are being made now – by small pressure groups, often in areas little reported in the media.
By the time that the general public become aware of the outcome it is often too late to alter it.
The decisions made by Councils to introduce Maori wards are a prime example of this approach.
While it is possible to use the Treaty to justify these decisions, they ignore the fact that there is frequently already sufficient Maori representation.
Is also opens the door to calls for the possibility for representation for gender, religious groups or other minorities.
In 1840 there was a justification for decision making by British/Maori governments or boards.
Now the need is largely guilt or past wrongs based.
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June 8, 2024 9:23am
- artemisia
  
  Cancer pressure groups. Emotion on their side. Unacceptable to criticise.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:50am
Yvette

Nullity?
In an interview with Guyon Espiner, Waikato-Tainui leader Tukoroirangi Morgan criticized ACT Party leader David Seymour as a “political idiot” for his Treaty Principles Bill, which aims to revise interpretations of the Treaty of Waitangi and limit Māori co-governance. Morgan argues this would invalidate the 1840 treaty agreement. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has indicated the government will not support the bill beyond the select committee stage but hasn’t completely ruled it out. Morgan warned of unprecedented protests if the bill progresses, emphasizing Waikato-Tainui’s economic power and commitment to protecting their interests. He also highlighted the need for Māori to re-engage with the Māori electoral roll to increase political representation, noting that Māori representation in Parliament is nearly 27% due to MMP. Morgan encouraged young Māori to take political action to ensure their voices are heard.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/518727/david-seymour-a-political-idiot-for-pursuing-treaty-principles-bill-tuku-morgan-says

“You’ve got a political idiot here, who is trying to modernise a document that will make the 1840 signing a nullity,” Morgan says.
“It’s an attack on an agreement that was enshrined in a trusting way by those Rangatira in 1840.”

No, it would NOT make any signing a nullity – it would make later activist interpretations of the Treaty and that signing, a nullity

If the bill did go beyond a first reading, Morgan says the resulting protest action would be at a level “never seen in the history of this country before”.
“There are those of us who … will not sit still and remain idle,” he says.
“If this bill is passed, and it goes beyond the first reading, there’ll be hell to play, simple as that.”

Such inferred violence would be based on the nullity of activist interpretations of the Treaty, not any supposed cancelling of the Treaty, and thus the reality of violence would be based on something that is a reality, but only in the minds of the activists.
That is the same problem Tarrant has.
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June 8, 2024 9:23am
- John Loveridge
  
  Old Tuku, full of piss and wind as usual.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:54am
- Cantabrian
  
  Yet another illustration of why it is so i mportant that the true ‘Treaty in English’ be exposed. If the Littlewood draft were to be acknowledged for what it is, the Treaty industry would collapse.
  Isn’t it interesting that when the Littlewood document was found, it was historians who had been writing extensively about the MAori myths on the Treaty and the Maori Affairs/Maori Development Department that provided advice to the Government ofd the day. Of course that advice was ‘Littlewood is fake’ – to say otherwise would destroy a good rort.
  
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  June 8, 2024 11:52am
- herb1
  
  So Seymour’s an idiot for bringing a bill against so called Treaty principles. So what does he think of his boss , the Maori King who also agrees with Seymour that there are no treaty principles
  
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  June 8, 2024 12:14pm
- rouppe
  
  Morgan warned of unprecedented protests if the bill progresses, emphasizing Waikato-Tainui’s economic power
  
  Economic power, some of which is due to them paying no tax.
  
  It is time the economic interests of Maori are taxed the same way as everyone one else’s.
  
  Either that or make Family Trusts tax exempt.
  
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  June 8, 2024 1:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In another interview Tuku said the Treaty is a partnership between Maori and the Crown. Immigrants to NZ should not have those same rights.
  That is blatant RACISM!!
  
  See yesterday’s Stop Co-Governance, posted this morning.
  
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  June 8, 2024 2:04pm
imalwaysright

I hope Luxon deals properly with the Tamihere scandal.
Though, judging by his performance as leader of the opposition while New Zealand was subjected to the most draconian marxist régime in our history, I won’t hold my breath.
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June 8, 2024 9:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If you read the last few days of Stop Co-Governance, it seems Luxon is in with the activists, along with many in the National Party. Do what the boss says ok?
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:44am
- pdm
  
  Luxon – good at dumping on his MP’s.
  
  Not so interested on the scandals involving opposition parties.
  
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  June 8, 2024 11:00am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING TT

Imagine being a resident of West Auckland and living in fear of JT 🙁

That sounds to be the case for the wonderful blogger ‘Aunty HeiHei’….

“If anything happens to me, John Tamahere, and those associated with him, are where the NZ Police need to start looking first. I’m being deadly serious when I say this. I know the risks. And I know how Tamahere works…..”

WATCH:

https://tiktok.com/@auntyheihei7/video/7377512859892256017
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June 8, 2024 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Aunty heihei may have just saved her own life.
  I know this is serious stuff. I am an avid follower of Julian Batchelor and Stop Co-Governance. The Maori Elite are taking over NZ and have been since the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975.
  Go read the website and find out the truth!
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:55am
- Yvette
  
  “… I am not fucking playing games here. John has fucked around and messed with too many people for me to shut-up now. But I am absolutely aware of what he is capable of doing”
  https://www.tiktok.com/@auntyheihei7/video/7377512859892256017
  
  Do the Police, the “Christchurch Call”, the Maori King monitor, Prime Minister’s Office, have informants who monitor TikTok?
  Or Kiwiblog?
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All you list would monitor here. So would the Dept of Internal Affairs, and many others.
    
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    June 8, 2024 2:31pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Obviously Andrew Coster will deploy several officers to investigate her concerns.
  Or are they all on stress leave for having to witness a rainbow crossing being painted over.
  
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  June 8, 2024 11:41am
Ghost

Damn

The Danish prime minister was assaulted on Friday evening in Copenhagen, her office has said.

Mette Frederiksen was “beaten” by a man in Kultorvet public square in the centre of the Danish capital, local media reported.

Article
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June 8, 2024 9:38am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You would think that the PM would have had a security team within hollering distance.
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:48am
- MCōs
  
  There’s always a Trump connection (not to the assault)
  “Frederiksen gained international attention in August 2019 when U.S. President Donald Trump cancelled a state visit to Denmark following her refusal to sell Greenland”
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:52am
  - All_on_Red
    
    And the point you are trying to make is…?
    
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    June 8, 2024 2:10pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  I wonder why a quick search on Youtube doesnt show any footage? I would have thought the PM being on the campaign trail would have had danish tv stations in attendance
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:34am
  - Keith White
    
    Footage might show a profile of the assailant that must at all costs be hidden in case people object to the ongoing import of Rotherhamites and Malmoists into their countries.
    
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    June 8, 2024 11:57am
Tauhei Notts

I have been wondering if “violet” is the colour of common sense.
I make that comment as I notice the Rainbow Community’s flags feature six of the seven colours of the rainbow. Violet is missing.
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June 8, 2024 9:38am
- Ghost
  
  https://www.verywellmind.com/what-the-colors-of-the-new-pride-flag-mean-5189173
  
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  June 8, 2024 9:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I knew a mad Chinese/Russian artist living in NZ Ron Sharon/Ron Saroka.
  Purple is the madman’s colour he told me. Lived in 9 Countries, spoke 7 languages, and did abstract art. I still have some. He was mad, but a nice kind of mad.
  Purple mad!!
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:05am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Well yellow and Vincent Van Gough is not a happy colour either.
    
    “Violet is at one end of the spectrum of visible light, between blue light, which has a longer wavelength, and ultraviolet light, which has a shorter wavelength and is not visible to humans. Violet wavelengths are between approximately 380 and 435 nanometers. Violet objects often appear dark, because human vision becomes less sensitive at wavelengths this short.”
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_(color)
    
    I was curious and had too look it up ? Slow day today , //
    
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    June 8, 2024 11:17am
    - RdM
      
      You might find these pages interesting too:
      https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2015/05/25/invisible-indigo-vaporised-violet/
      
      https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/the-magnetic-personality-of-violet/
      
      And linked within the first, worth a read on its own (these are all long reads!):
      
      https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/why-the-sky-is-blue/
      
      (Wikipedia gets that wrong!)
      
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      June 8, 2024 3:58pm
- Yvette
  
  Violet
  The last color, violet (or purple) represents spirit. Purple is often thought of as a regal, royal color that, on its own, denotes pride. Like blue, purple is considered a calming color, but rather than being associated only with calm, the color purple connects us to the spiritual realm.
  
  Does LGBTQIA+ just mean “Rainbow people”?
  Now find a suitable word to replace the term “non-Maori”
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:16am
  - Yvette
    
    non-Maori – negative definition
    Pakeha – discriminatory, and Asians are not pakeha so non-inclusive
    foreigners – you mean immigrants, like Maori are
    New Zealanders – Maori are New Zealanders too
    
    tangata whenua – means other New Zealanders have no affinity for their land? their use of water?
    if we are the tangata whenua, the original people, then the Pākehā are the tangata Tiriti, those who belong to the land by right of that Treaty.”
    Maori: First Nation people – makes the rest second nation?
    
    Just one word, or the lack of one word for “non-Maori”, is a morass of non-inclusive crap?
    
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    June 8, 2024 11:27am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Actually, in my opinion Māori are both Tangata Tiriti and Tangata Whenua – without the power of that Treaty there was no NZ. By that signing they became citizens of Queen Victoria along with the rest of us – equals under the crown.
      
      All NZers are people of this land, but some have deeper connections than others to places other than NZ. We should not reflect on our ancestry with rose tinted lenses – there are things to be both proud of and ashamed.
      
      I am happy to be known by the inclusive term New Zealander.
      
      I don’t subscribe to a Te Ao Māori world view and spirituality. I think if we could glimpse this world through a God lense, we would see that we are all children of God, that this world is temporal and our citizenship in the eternal world that comes next is the most important. That what we do now is fleeting and storing up treasures here is ultimately futile.
      
      Let’s refuse to be divided and manipulated into fractions and groups. Stay united as the human race!
      
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      June 8, 2024 3:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Non-Maori” White! Wait, white is not a colour, it just reflects all light. Oh, wait again, black is not a colour either.
    But it has to be ‘white.’ How often do we hear the term “whities”?
    
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    June 8, 2024 2:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Electoral Commission’s assurances that everything would be hunky dory at Manurewa Marae seem a bit premature now.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/electoral-commission-defends-use-of-manurewa-marae-as-polling-booth/2WTUFQVAXNAALE7QV4B3NRSOEU/

Will we ever find out why really was going on in the
electoral/census/health /TPM muddle on the Marae?

Currently, these events have raised questions about the will of the responsible government agencies to guard the integrity of the population censuses, the commissioning of social work, and general election processes.

To be warned of the alleged goings on and not to act would represent an appalling dereliction of duty. So did the whistleblowers warn them at the time, or not? And did they respond as they should have, or not?

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2024/06/08/public-inquiry-needed-on-the-manurewa-marae-allegations/#more-29536
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June 8, 2024 10:12am
- greybeard
  
  This whole business suggests to me that there is some sort of conspiracy involving Maori interests across multiple govt agencies: embedded supporters passing information around.
  
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  June 8, 2024 10:55am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Why would Facebook keep deleting this post in reference to JT?

https://x.com/chrislynchmedia/status/1799182464994447546

Some of the ‘answers’ are interesting…..
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June 8, 2024 10:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Was on my FB and Boom!
  “It looks like you tried to get likes, follows, shares or video views in a misleading way.”
  Really?
  “Your post goes against our Community Standards on spam.”
  Really?
  “We don’t allow people to use misleading links or content to trick people to visit, or stay on, a website.”
  Really?
  “Your freedom of expression.
  We want you to share freely with others. We only remove things or restrict people to keep the community respectful and safe.”
  Really?
  So any reference to JT is ‘unsafe?’
  
  What did Aunty heihei say again?
  
  It should be noted, I did not share the X link, I shared the original Chris Lynch link and bang, Facebook killed it between 1 and 2 minutes.
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Guess what? Bad news travels much faster than good news.
  That post was deleted between 1 and 2 minutes on my Facebook.
  I just clicked back to look, and a new post says “Just now” ant the post is back on my FB. I did not repost!
  I used this link originally:
  
  https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/twelve-agencies-including-police-investigating-te-pati-maori-data-allegations/?
  
  Wonder who in the JT field can explain?
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:56pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    Labour government had a portal to social media sites so that it could remove posts it found politically “unhelpful”.
    Judging by the various ministries tied up providing aid to Tamihere, it could be a good bet that he has unofficial access to the portal.
    
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    June 8, 2024 4:34pm
    - Ghost
      
      Department of Internal Affairs Had and most likely still has that access to the Facebook take down portal. No mp’s had access to it and the prime ministers office never had access to it. The only department with access was internal affairs.
      
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      June 8, 2024 5:07pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Why would Internal Affairs unilaterally remove posts critical of adern?
        Why were peoples posts not replaced with a note saying they were removed by Internal Affairs, and why.
        That would be the correct behaviour of a government department administering a legal function.
        
        Unless it was illegal and directed by adern and her hundreds of “public relations” staff.
        
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        June 8, 2024 5:35pm
- Red
  
  Te Pāti Māori President Baron John Tamihere issued a statement.
  “This Coalition Government has been brought hook, line and sinker by cigarette and tobacco barons; by pharmaceutical barons; by landlords and by mining barons through fast tracked legislation and more importantly, it continues its constant attack on all matters Māori all of the time.”
  
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  June 8, 2024 5:02pm
KH

Stuff this morning headlines about wrong placement of election hoardings.
But but. Couldn’t find the story (it will be somewhere) about Tamihere and the Maori party.
Which seemed to what Andrea Vance reported seemed – seemed – to be rank bribery using public money.
Needs investigation and exposure to find the truth.
We won’t find that from Stuff news.
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June 8, 2024 10:36am
greybeard

I see that Tova O’Brien has published another chapter in her campaign of hatred against the Coalition Govt.
The woman is obsessed. And nuts.
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June 8, 2024 10:47am
- pdm
  
  My theory is:
  
  Tova is angling to be at least number 5 on the Labour list at the next election.
  
  She will not achieve that by saying nice things about the Coalition Government.
  
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  June 8, 2024 11:05am
- MCōs
  
  There’s a few obsessed people around
  
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  June 8, 2024 11:11am
- Ghost
  
  How is it hatred? If you want the media to report on the Māori parties issues, and tova has been doing good on that then surely you support her writing about other parties breaches.
  
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  June 8, 2024 12:06pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    It is clear that she is extremely biased to the extent that quite possibly hatred is accurate.
    
    A top, professional, journalist should capable of reporting on all angles and leaving the opinion forming to the audience. Being unable to park their own personal views rules them out from being at the top of their profession.
    
    The occasional good piece of journalism doesn’t make up for the ongoing bias and lack of professionalism. This criticism can be levelled at most high profile journalists in NZ today. If they want to be in PR they should apply for those sorts of jobs.
    
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    June 8, 2024 4:07pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s a name worth conjuring with…..

SITALING ALE
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June 8, 2024 11:03am
- Ghost
  
  I think your doctor can give you an ointment for that….
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:33pm
Swifty

JAG didn’t get everything to go her way at the Transport Committee meeting:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/wjobY283HGYmXxL7/?mibextid=GGtJg3

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June 8, 2024 11:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good laugh! I bet she is spewing if she has seen it!.
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:51pm
Rusty

Everyone brought a lotto for tonight?

A million will do me.
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June 8, 2024 11:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have about 30 of them. US$1M notes that you buy at the tourist shops LOL!
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:06pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    If Joe gets back in they could be more valuable than the actual currency!
    
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    June 8, 2024 4:45pm
imalwaysright

Speaking of Tamihere, where are the Mahutas???
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June 8, 2024 11:43am
- kowtow
  
  One of te principles of te treaty is that there’s a huge carpet under which everything gets brushed.
  
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  June 8, 2024 1:08pm
Keith White

In 2020, the year in which the COVID-19 pandemic started and containment measures, such as lock-downs, social distancing, school closures and quarantines, were implemented but vaccines were not yet generally available, 1,033,122 excess deaths (11.5% higher than expected) were recorded in 47 countries.

In 2021, the year in which both COVID-19 containment measures and COVID-19 vaccines were used to curb SARS-CoV-2 virus spread and infection, a total of 1,256,942 excess deaths (just under 14% higher than expected) were reported.

And in 2022, the year in which most containment measures were lifted, but COVID-19 vaccines were continued, preliminary data indicate that 808,392 excess deaths were recorded.
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June 8, 2024 12:01pm
- wsk12345
  
  Who would downtick data?
  
  I guess peeps who had too many jobs and don’t want to believe it’s not safe.
  
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  June 8, 2024 1:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There’s a group here on Kiwiblog who love to downtick.
    Mouse in one hand and who knows what in the other.
    
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    June 8, 2024 3:17pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      “Mouse in one hand and who knows what in the other”
      
      That’s gold!
      
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      June 8, 2024 3:34pm
Surely Knott

Open justice is part of the principles of justice but is not delivered evenly and the reporting decision appears to be Racist. Yesterday an 80+ year old white man was named in the paper for money laundering. His photo of his face with his head hung in shame.

Today we find the name of a violent repeat shop raider involved in multiple offences with groups of armed gangs of youths. His photo is not shown. Although media pat themselves on the back for their disclosure.

Open justice
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/518972/justice-of-the-peace-herbert-armitage-83-laundered-money-for-upper-north-island-drug-ring

Different justice
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/youth-crime-sitaling-ales-two-year-trail-of-offending-leading-to-robbery-of-pascoes-napier-store/MTEIDXSKXZEYZD5P6RIV7HY3SE/#google_vignette
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June 8, 2024 12:17pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from tennis tweets:

‘When the 16yo student asked Ramiah why he wanted her to send him her used underwear, Ramiah replied…. “Becos I just shat mine”

LOL!!

https://stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350303544/auckland-assistant-principal-told-police-he-got-thrill-messaging-student
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June 8, 2024 12:18pm
softail 1450

FFS ,The conviction of DJT is probably going to be thrown out the Judge has sent an official letter to the prosecution and defence teams to advise that one of the jurors broke the law by telling his cousin days before the verdict that Trump was going to be found guilty ,,if this goes through the DC hospital system had better ready themselves for a huge rash of attempted suicides ,,LMFAO.
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June 8, 2024 12:47pm
- All_on_Red
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/06/07/judge-merchan-notifies-trump-attorneys-prosecution-of-social-media-post-giving-away-jury-verdict/
  
  The Georgia Case is most likely not to happen either
  https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/06/07/cnn-analyst-lets-face-it-fanis-case-is-dead-n3789825
  
  However, despite damning evidence
  https://spectator.org/naomi-bidens-testimony-backfires-for-hunter/?
  Its doubtful a Wilmington Jury will convict Hunter Biden
  They are probably too afraid
  https://jonathanturley.org/2024/06/05/is-hunter-biden-pursuing-a-jury-nullification-strategy/
  Even though the Judge gave the last person guilty of this 1 year in prison
  
  Bonus for Virtualmark (Lol)
  https://jonathanturley.org/2024/06/07/laptop-deniers-in-delaware-the-media-shrugs-as-the-biden-laptop-is-authenticated-in-federal-court/#more-219818
  
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  June 8, 2024 2:05pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Not buying it Red.
    
    The FBI agent, Erika Jensen, testified that the FBI had no evidence that the laptop had been tampered with. She also had no evidence that it hadn’t been tampered with. Basically her testimony was that the FBI could not say with any certainty what the provenance of the laptop was.
    
    Which is common sense, because the chain of custody of that laptop is a complete disaster, which largely renders it useless in any court of law.
    
    And I’d expect that if the laptop were to be used in a court then Hunter Biden’s legal team would call Lev Parnas as a witness to testify to the connections to Russian intelligence.
    
    As for the rest of your hopped-up dreams … I expect:
    * Georgia will still go to trial, but not before the election
    * It’s possible Willis could decide to prosecute some of the other conspirators pre-election, separating them from Trump’s prosecution which would be delayed (there’s no legal need to prosecute them all together in the same trial)
    * Hunter Biden will be found guilty (from the public evidence it seems clear he is guilty) but the sentence will be light (given the mild charges) and Joe Biden will not pardon him
    * But don’t discount that Hunter is actually a very good lawyer and has a good legal team, so maybe he’s got some great legal strategy … let’s wait and see.
    
    I also don’t see either of the Federal cases coming to trial before the election.
    
    Of the four court cases Trump was facing the NY one was seen as the weakest, but it’s likely that will be the only one that is concluded pre-election.
    
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    June 8, 2024 2:58pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘She also had no evidence that it hadn’t been tampered with’
      hahahahahahahaaha- just think about what you are saying
      ‘Basically her testimony was that the FBI could not say with any certainty what the provenance of the laptop was.’
      Thats not true. Serial numbers, content, etc match to Hunter
      But you think its Russia Russia Russia
      WAFM
      
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      June 8, 2024 4:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘WILMINGTON, Delaware — Hunter Biden’s controversial laptop took center stage in his federal firearms trial Tuesday as one of the witnesses, FBI Agent Erika Jensen, confirmed its authenticity.
        
        “This is the laptop that was recovered from the computer store,” she said, referring to the laptop that Hunter Biden left at The Mac Shop in Wilmington in 2019, that was later shared with Robert Costello, an attorney for Trump ally Rudy Giuliani.
        
        When asked how she was able to confirm the laptop’s authenticity, Ms. Jensen said the serial number on the back of the laptop matches the serial number provided in Apple Inc.’s response to a subpoena for records.’
        https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jun/4/erika-jensen-confirms-authenticity-of-hunter-biden/
        ‘The Department of Justice (DOJ) has acknowledged the legitimacy of data found on Hunter Biden’s laptop in a court filing.’
        ‘The documents also detail how IRS and FBI investigators obtained a search warrant for tax violations, leading to the discovery of data on Biden’s electronic devices.’
        ‘“Investigators also later came into possession of the defendant’s Apple MacBook Pro, which he had left at a computer store. A search warrant was also obtained for his laptop and the results of the search were largely duplicative of information investigators had already obtained from Apple”
        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/it-only-took-4-years-doj-finally-acknowledges-hunter-laptop-is-legitimate-for-first-time/ar-AA1ncGMI
        ‘WASHINGTON — The FBI “verified” the authenticity of Hunter Biden’s abandoned laptop in November 2019 and a federal computer expert assessed “it was not manipulated in any way,” IRS supervisory agent Gary Shapley told Congress in explosive testimony released Thursday.’
        https://nypost.com/2023/06/22/fbi-verified-authenticity-of-hunter-bidens-abandoned-laptop-in-november-2019-irs-whistleblower-gary-shapley/
        
        WRONG AGAIN
        
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        June 8, 2024 4:17pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Oh Red, let’s run through the questions in Court:
        
        Qu 1 for the prosecution: Do you have hard evidence that Hunter Biden dropped this laptop off at the repair store? (No, they don’t)
        Qu 2: Do you have hard evidence that Hunter Biden was even in Delaware on [date]? (No, they don’t)
        Qu 3: Can you guarantee that this laptop was not altered in any way? (No, they can’t)
        Qu 4: Can you guarantee that all of the content on this laptop was created or produced by Hunter Biden, and was not inserted by other as-yet-unknown people? (No, they can’t)
        
        I can go on, but those 4 questions alone torpedo any reliance on the laptop in a court of law.
        
        You seem to have trouble thinking calmly and logically.
        
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        June 8, 2024 4:23pm
- virtualmark
  
  No, it’s not going to be thrown out.
  
  If you spent even 30 seconds looking into this you’d find that the guy who said that he was a juror’s cousin etc etc is well-known as a shitposter (hint: his bio says “shitposter”) who has made lots of implausible/unbelievable posts.
  
  I’m constantly amazed by how stupid and gullible MAGA is.
  
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  June 8, 2024 2:48pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Stupid and gullible’
    Says the guy who thinks Michal Cohen, the convicted Fraudster, Liar and Perjurer, is credible and who believes what he says because he so desperately wants to believe.
    WAFM
    
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    June 8, 2024 4:11pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Poor Red,
      
      You know who thought Michael Cohen was credible? The jury.
      
      As for “stupid and gullible” … direct question: do you believe that the “my cousin is a juror” Facebook poster is writing the actual fact-based truth? Yes or no.
      
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      June 8, 2024 4:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I was going to put a link up after I got the end of Gen Deb.
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-judge-alerts-lawyers-to-social-media-post-from-juror-s-cousin-saying-a-conviction-was-in-the-bag/ar-BB1nPKXv?
  
  The cuzzibros again!
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:21pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Steve, Steve,
    
    This is all about a Facebook post by a “Michael Anderson”.
    
    Michael Anderson made a Facebook post on 29th May saying “My cousin is a juror and says Trump is getting convicted. Thank you folks for your hard work!!!”. Trump’s conviction was announced on the 30th of May.
    
    Problem 1: Michael Anderson also made basically the same post on 20th May.
    Problem 2: Michael Anderson’s bio says they are “Transabled and a professional shit poster”. (Sounds like just your kind of guy?)
    Problem 3: Once this whole thing blew up in right-wing media circles Michael Anderson posted “Take it easy … I’m a professional shitposter”.
    
    Common sense:
    * Anyone can write anything as a Facebook comment.
    * People do indeed write all sorts of crap/lies as Facebook comments
    * When someone describes themselves as “a professional shit poster” then sensible people should be highly sceptical of anything they say, absent hard proof that it’s true.
    
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    June 8, 2024 4:17pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not anyone VM. The post by Maggie further up this thread about John Tamihere, I posted on FB and it was deleted, then back, and now deleted again. Someone has a bigger delete button than the FB mods.
      
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      June 9, 2024 7:16am
Maggie Pie

ZB reports: “Thousands gather in Aotea Square for March-for-Nature”

Police put the figure at between 5 & 600. LOL!!

And just look at the STATE of them. Talk about the great-unwashed 🙁

https://x.com/RusselNorman/status/1799240442741137525

And now say in Shanan Halbert voice…..
“gimmie back my flag. gimmie back my flag”
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June 8, 2024 1:47pm
- Ghost
  
  Anyone turn up thinking it was a march for naturism?
  
  Looks like the usual rent a crowd and
  
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  June 8, 2024 1:50pm
- imalwaysright
  
  One can almost see the flatulence.
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:38pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  20,000 according to the Herald…
  
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  June 8, 2024 7:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    2000. It’s that roving decimal point the left use.
    
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    June 9, 2024 7:18am
AitchW

Black Caps lose to Afghanistan in T20 World Cup opener. By over 70 runs. Hmmmmm.
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June 8, 2024 2:51pm
Maggie Pie

‘Naughty-Natives-Are-At-It-Again’

– John Tamahere (Prez TPM)

https://business.scoop.co.nz/2024/06/06/from-the-party-president-naughty-natives-are-at-it-again/
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June 8, 2024 2:59pm
- Swifty
  
  I wouldn’t have expected anything different from him.
  
  Victimhood, racism, vacuous slogans, wrongly claiming to speak for all Maori, accusing others of that which you are guilty, economic illiteracy.
  
  Yep, he’s ticked all the boxes.
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:24pm
- AitchW
  
  Maggie, someone needs to explain the difference between “brought” and “bought” to whoever was responsible for writing that press release on Tamahere’s behalf.
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:51pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    That would be pointless. People who say brought instead of bought are generally thick.
    
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    June 8, 2024 5:15pm
    - AitchW
      
      Right up there with “aks” in place of “ask”……
      
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      June 8, 2024 7:22pm
- Red
  
  A note on President John Tamihere.
  6 Signs You’re Arguing With A Psychopath & How To Handle It.
  1. They lie and make excuses
  2. Their tone is condescending and patronising.
  3. They employ mind-blowing hypocrisy.
  4. They seem to have multiple personalities.
  5. They play the eternal victim.
  6. You feel the need to explain basic human emotions to them.
  In heated arguments, psychopaths have no shame and will often begin labeling you with their own horrible qualities. It goes beyond projection because most people project unknowingly. Psychopaths know they are smearing you with their own flaws because they are seeking a reaction.
  https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/signs-youre-arguing-with-a-psychopath-and-how-to-handle-it#:~:text=In%20heated%20arguments%2C%20psychopaths%20have,they%20are%20seeking%20a%20reaction.
  
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  June 8, 2024 5:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dame Jacinda Ardern?
    
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    June 9, 2024 7:20am
- John Loveridge
  
  That is quite the unhinged rant. Kudos to Scoop for publishing it so that we can all see the man’s state of mind, which appears to rather pressurised.
  
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  June 8, 2024 6:49pm
mogg

Vote Nigel Farage, the BBC and their ‘progressives’ hate him, that’s good enough for me.
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June 8, 2024 3:02pm
greybeard

Now we can all sit back and listen to all the excuses under the sun for that Black Caps fiasco.

“Underdone – blah blah blah” ; the NZ commentators should be ashamed of themselves.

“Wrong selections”
“Wrong coach”
“Bad light”
“Bad pitch”
“Crappy food”
“Not enough media sycophancy”
“Williamson never had enough beard oil or suncream”

Afghanistan were simply totally committed to playing that game TO WIN.
Good on them.
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June 8, 2024 3:09pm
- Gravelroad
  
  It is always a puzzle to me when teams such as the Blackcaps are described as “rusty” when an excuse for a poor performance is required.
  Cricket is a team game based on individual performances.
  All these players knew they were going to an international tournament.
  What did they do?
  Get our of bed a week ago and start rolling their arm over down at the local park?
  Is that good enough preparation?
  Or is it just go along and see how they go on the day.
  Not exactly professional is it.
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:15pm
Swifty

Bill Anders has been killed – and in a plane crash of all things.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350304451/former-us-astronaut-who-took-iconic-earthrise-photo-dies-plane-crash

He was the lunar module pilot on Apollo 8, my favourite mission. After Frank Borman’s recent death this now just leaves Jim Lovell standing.
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June 8, 2024 3:15pm
- NothingLeft
  
  The most amazing quirk of the technological age we live in is that we could put a man on the moon 55 years ago, but never since – and probably not for another 5 years. Nasa’s early energy and innovative spirit died as it became dominated by internal politics and bureaucrats focused on careers and personal fiefdoms and consequently terrified of career limiting or politically embarrassing failure – endless reports and esoteric technical follies that presented little personal risk to leadership, but little long-term useful engineering
  
  Creeping, metastasizing bureaucratic caution does far more harm than good and has killed the west’s productivity and growth
  
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  June 8, 2024 3:55pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    I realised they were taking the piss when they did the episode where they brought a car with them!
    
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    June 8, 2024 5:20pm
    - Mike
      
      Hey, that was my favorite! Apart from playing golf on the moon, of course.
      
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      June 8, 2024 7:26pm
  - cmm
    
    Yup.
    
    A lot of NASA’s problems are right there in its name A: administration.
    
    It is an administration, run by administrators for the benefit of administrators.
    
    Another reason was that there was never a really good reason to go to the moon other than the political “space race” to show the Americans were technologically superior to the USSR.
    
    Once that was “proven”, nobody cared any more.
    
    That can be witnessed in the viewership that built up to Apollo 11: the big event.
    Apollo 12 had low viewership/interest from the public – as did Apollo 13 until the problems made it a sensation.
    By Apollo 15 people were rally asking what the point was anymore.
    
    It just got very very boring and there was no real science happening.
    
    The real interesting stuff in space is closer to home – in satellite orbit. That’s where we actually get benefit from space. Almost all that can be done with robotics – no need to send sacks of meat into space.
    
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    June 8, 2024 5:52pm
Ghost

More details today on this creep. Hopefully the judge will hand down a prison sentence, but chances are it will be a slap on the wrist

A former assistant principal at an Auckland school told police he got a “thrill” out of the sexual messages he had with a student who had initially gone to him for help, while the 15-year-old was left feeling “indebted” to him.

Article
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June 8, 2024 3:40pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  How old was the teacher? How old was the student?
  
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  June 8, 2024 8:18pm
  - Ghost
    
    There were several students. The one he is before court for was 15 when he started grooming her
    
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    June 8, 2024 8:32pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Looks bad. I think it would be wise to ban the media (or anyone) from publishing or otherwise exposing anything until there is a conviction, for the sake of both the accused and the alleged victim/s.
      
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      June 8, 2024 8:59pm
      - Ghost
        
        He plead guilty, sentencing is in August. The other cases seemed to just go to the teachers tribunal and not the courts.
        
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        June 8, 2024 9:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

$50M Jackpot.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/the-secret-diaries-of-lotto-s-50m-jackpot/ar-BB1nPgnu?
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June 8, 2024 4:11pm
- Mike
  
  Thanks Steve. Braunias is very good at skewering the pollies.
  
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  June 8, 2024 7:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Lots don’t like him. I like some of his satire.
    
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    June 9, 2024 7:23am
Flossie

I was reading a news item about a family who had lost their house completely in a fire while they were at a medical appointment with their newborn (and third) child. It’s a very sad story for sure and people have been donating to one of those Givealittle pages.
Reading right to the end, there’s that same old story…”they were not insured”. When does one’s sympathy run out?
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June 8, 2024 4:29pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Isn’t insurance a condition of a mortgage?
  If they were renting then their loss is possibly much less.
  
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  June 8, 2024 5:23pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/culture/350304402/delish-and-naughty-gwyneth-paltrow-cooks-dinner-her-kiwi-chef-crush-josh-emett
Not sure that I would eat it: we all know what Gwyneth’s favourite flavourings are.
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June 8, 2024 4:29pm
Red

“At the meeting, the Emirati foreign minister called the Palestinian leadership “Ali Baba and the Forty Bandits” and claimed that senior officials in the Palestinian Authority are “useless” and therefore “replacing them with each other will only lead to the same result.”
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-805319
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June 8, 2024 5:57pm
John Loveridge

Hold your nose and take a look. BT has some serious ammo against JT:

https://www.briantamaki.com/single-post/more-whistleblowers-from-manurewa-marae-speak-up
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June 8, 2024 6:42pm
- Mike
  
  I think Brian Tamaki and John Tamihere should front up for a cage fight to see who is right.
  
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  June 8, 2024 6:55pm
  - Ghost
    
    Who wants to see those two slapping each other with their handbags?
    
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    June 8, 2024 7:02pm
    - Mike
      
      I would find it amusing.
      
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      June 8, 2024 7:14pm
Maggie Pie

EV FIRE WARNING: AUDI e-tron RS & GTs

https://x.com/newscomauHQ/status/1799252511083352067

I’m only sharing this in case it affects any other of the group here?
A bestie from tennis took delivery of an RS just prior to Xmas.
She was absolutely shocked!

Thank me later.
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June 8, 2024 7:09pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Did not our illustrious ex PM, Sole “source of truth ” get a freebie , I was sure it was an Audi ?
  
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  June 8, 2024 7:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP. An e-tron. Even allowed to keep it at her home up here.
    It was just another of the perks for being the most useless and devisive PMs that God ever put breath into that taxpayers have had to continually fork out for till this day forward.
    
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    June 8, 2024 8:15pm
Swifty

Winston sticking it to Tamihere:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rnfneySETOg
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