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Chuck Bird

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How many heard Luxon trying to defend lying about breaking his promise about funding certain cancer drugs and heard the texts and emails after.

Political parties should leave funding decisions to Pharmac.
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June 4, 2024 8:04am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Why? Because they’re doing such a bang up job?
  
  Pharmac needs to stop trying to re-invent the wheel by making companies go through hoops to get meds approved for use in NZ when the work for this is only replicating the work done in similar jurisdictions, such as Australia.
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:09am
  - crikey
    
    Pharmac is a funding agency, i.e. making decisions on which medications to fund and the best use of taxpayers’ dollars. Medsafe is the agency making decisions on approvals.
    
    Sure, Medsafe could make more/better use of what is done in other jurisdictions but there is a need for caution, thinking of some of what was pushed (without adequate studies) for Covid vaccine approvals.
    
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    June 4, 2024 5:55pm
- Grunter
  
  It was a very soft interview from Hosking IMO
  
  Here we have a PM out spending Ardern and Hipkins with rising debt for as far as they can forecast and Hosking lobbed patsy questions.
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:16am
- Simon
  
  Because of the vaxx injuries cancer treatments are important.
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:17am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Are you seriously telling us that the covid vaccines cause cancer?
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:33am
    - 2ic
      
      Increased Age-Adjusted Cancer Mortality After the Third mRNA-Lipid Nanoparticle Vaccine Dose During the COVID-19 Pandemic in Japan
      https://www.cureus.com/articles/196275-increased-age-adjusted-cancer-mortality-after-the-third-mrna-lipid-nanoparticle-vaccine-dose-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-japan#!/
      
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      June 4, 2024 9:42am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        That study has been discredited to death.
        
        https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-mrna-cancer-explosion-japan-no-national-emergency-declared-2024-05-07/
        
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        June 4, 2024 10:04am
      - imalwaysright
        
        B.Y
        Reuters fact checkers?
        Are these the panel of journalists, one of whom has a BSc, who took it upon themselves to contradict people like Robert Malone?
        
        Just the title, Reuters fact checker, instills a feeling of despair.
        Do you not remember our “fact checkers” of the last six years, tv1, tv3 and rnz….
        Incredible .
        
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        June 4, 2024 10:15am
      - 2ic
        
        @Benedict
        Reuters ‘fact’ checkers? Seriously?
        
        Conflict of Interest: Reuters ‘Fact Checks’ COVID-Related Social Media Posts, But Fails to Disclose Ties to Pfizer, World Economic Forum
        https://www.globalresearch.ca/conflict-interest-reuters-fact-checks-covid-related-social-media-posts-fails-disclose-ties-pfizer-world-economic-forum/5785281
        
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        June 4, 2024 10:22am
      - infused
        
        It hasn’t, and there is more and more evidence coming to light, including the studies that were blocked during the pandemic, which are now published on gut bacteria which were wiped out as part of the vax, which have links to cancer.
        The drugs Trump went on about as well were proven to be proven a safe treatment by this study.
        I’ll have to find the video as this womens findings are now published.
        covid is a shit show.
        
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        June 4, 2024 12:35pm
      - Miritu
        
        BY, quoting “fact checkers” doesn’t do your own credibility any good. The term itself is heavily tainted, and even makes Wikipedia look credible.
        
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        June 4, 2024 8:51pm
    - AitchW
      
      According to a poster here the other day it’s parasites which cause cancer….
      
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      June 4, 2024 11:19am
      - Ghost
        
        I decided to have a look at google to look into this claim
        
        Parasites that Can Lead to Cancer
        
        Parasite Infection, Carcinogenesis and Human Malignancy
        
        Parasitic worms cause cancer — and could help cure it
        
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        June 4, 2024 11:37am
      - imalwaysright
        
        By parasite they mean Pfizer
        
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        June 4, 2024 12:15pm
    - kowtow
      
      Whodda thunk a “healthy” tan could kill ya .
      
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      June 4, 2024 11:48am
    - miltonF
      
      To be fair Ben, your track record on the Covid “vaccines” is abysmal. You’re still falling into the same trap of believing misinformation because it comes from a perceived “authority”. The same authority that has gotten everything wrong.
      
      When Ben Yu and Reuters say “covid vaccines don’t cause cancer” I think back a couple of years to when Ben Yu and Reuters were saying “the vaccine is effective, you won’t get sick if you take it” and come to the conclusion that whatever Ben Yu and Reuters say is not likely to be based in science or reality.
      
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      June 4, 2024 2:24pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Simon,
    
    Coincidentally Pfizer has purchased a company that specialises in drugs to treat turbo cancers. Only $40 billion.
    You can bet it won’t be a dollar a pill.
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:38am
    - Inandout
      
      ima, that same company is pushing the ‘covid is still with us’ and ‘know your risk’ line. I note Pfizer is tagged onto the very end of the ad and often ZB when pushed for time will skip over the end to put in another ad. Cunning as shit house rats I believe is the term used when referring to that drug company.
      
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      June 4, 2024 12:46pm
      - AitchW
        
        Tell you what, my wife and I have been battling Covid for the 10 days or so. I initially thought it was a cold, then came the fever, sweats and total lack of energy. 9 days since testing and, while much improved, still phlegmy cough, headaches and no energy at all.
        It ain’t fun.
        
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        June 4, 2024 1:24pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        A major downside of the covid vaccines is that they reduce the adaptability of your immune system to combat variants over the long term due to establishing a specific defensive response
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin
        
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        June 4, 2024 2:35pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Just recovered from covid las Saturday. Got the symptoms the previous Sat., Sunday bit of a tickly throat & bit of a cough, Monday sore throat & chesty cough – just like a cold. Tuesday sore throat gone, chesty cough less. Wednesday throat fine, cough gone, but a bit of fatigue & brain fog. Friday less, Saturday all gone.
        I actually thought it was just a cold till wife made me test on Monday.
        No jabs, just immune system – & panadol Monday to ease symptoms. Bit of a breeze really.
        
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        June 4, 2024 3:36pm
      - Miritu
        
        “..battling covid..”
        Covid is just a label
        Dr Mark Bailey:
        Medical practice has deteriorated into protocol-driven paradigms in which the practitioners blindly follow pathways and tick boxes. Hapless patients are given a tag and then subjected to prescribed “treatments” rather than being advised on how to help cure their body’s real problems. One silver lining to the COVID fiasco is that it blatantly exposed the nature of the medical system to many people and they could see that it cannot help them with achieving true health.
        https://drsambailey.com/why-nobody-had-caught-or-got-covid-19/
        
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        June 4, 2024 9:04pm
- greybeard
  
  They said they would fund these drugs in their first year of office.
  What is the problem ?
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:18am
  - G152
    
    Liebor trying to hide the fact that they didnt fund the drugs and are using their media to hide …….
    
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    June 4, 2024 8:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is it. Always accuse others of what you are guilty of yourselves.
      
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      June 4, 2024 9:23am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The problem is that the Budget makes no provision for any funding.
    
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    June 4, 2024 8:35am
    - Dougal10
      
      Labour made huge promises to spend money over 6 years of which very little was in robbos budgets. Pollies make promises that we and them know they cant keep.
      
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      June 4, 2024 9:13am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “of which very little was in robbos budgets”
        
        Really?
        
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        June 4, 2024 11:41am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      The current government, in April of this year, announced that the Pharmac Budget was to increase by 1.74 Billion over the next 4 years.
      
      Pharmac then countered by saying that this will only keep the lights on, and it did address chronic underfunding by the previous government.
      
      The problem isn’t the unwillingness of this government, but the fact that Pharmac is not fit for purpose. We should be using agreements like CER to piggyback of the Australian Drug Industry.
      
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      June 4, 2024 9:26am
    - jkt
      
      Black and white.
      
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      June 4, 2024 10:49am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The problem is they lied or at the very least misled vulnerable people. As I said they should leave Pharmac to choose which drugs to buy.
    
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    June 4, 2024 8:35am
    - stewmar
      
      they should leave Pharmac to choose which drugs to buy.
      Chuck they are leaving Pharmac to choose what drugs they want to buy. The Govt just provides the funding.
      
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      June 4, 2024 9:00am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        “Chuck they are leaving Pharmac to choose what drugs they want to buy.”
        
        Then why did the government name the drugs before the election?
        
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        June 4, 2024 10:01am
      - rouppe
        
        Except both the current and previous governments talk about specific funding for specific drugs.
        
        That’s not leaving it to Pharmac
        
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        June 4, 2024 10:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Look, this item is the only real item that the media can find to castigate the Budget.
    They can always find people to use to give their story credence – usually foreign expert sounding names from Universities.
    They are always available to have a go in their favour.
    
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    June 4, 2024 8:45am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    What you said is not true. Luxon said to Hosking that a decision would be made by the end of the year and not funding by October which is their first year of office.
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:03am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      How the f* does some date in October become one year after 27 November in any following year? Time travel/science fiction …..
      
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      June 4, 2024 9:31am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        The election was on 14 October.
        
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        June 4, 2024 10:30am
      - Ghost
        
        The election means nothing. No government was formed then, labour remained in power until the government was sworn in on November 27th.
        
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        June 4, 2024 10:35am
      - R
        
        How the f* does some date in…..this comment by Chuck illustrates what is a major cause of concern with NZ citizens. An inability to understand, and comprehend an simple statement in english; a reflection of our failing education system.
        
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        June 4, 2024 10:45am
  - Paulus
    
    Still some 7 months in this year I believe !
    
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    June 4, 2024 12:08pm
- Scott
  
  I thought it was a pretty generous budget given our terrible economic circumstances. Luxon is doing a good job. I’m inclined to support him. Especially since the coalition he leads is rolling back Labour’s legislative agenda at great speed.
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:23am
  - pdm
    
    Scott I think the Jury is still out on Luxon.
    
    Too much woke shows through too often for mine.
    
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    June 4, 2024 10:57am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      pdm – As long as the majority of this country’s fourth estate maintain their selective reporting I doubt it will change. On the positive side however he’s got two co-leaders ( +Jonesie) who can pretty well say what ever the hell they like! Methink they got their roles sorted right at the beginning. 🙂
      
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      June 4, 2024 12:54pm
  - Damocles11
    
    What’s being rolled back?
    
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    June 4, 2024 12:58pm
    - Scott
      
      Damocles 11- what’s being rolled back?
      Well I’m glad you asked.
      If we take just the area of race relations here are achievements to date and things they are working on –
      The recent newsletter from the Act party gives a useful summary of what the coalition has done to sort out the issue of race relations.
      – “Three Waters, with its overlay of co-governance, is gone, with assets returned to councils. It now seems like a strange other world where people got seats at the table governing drinking water, wastewater, and stormwater based on their ancestry.
      – The Māori Health Authority embodied the Treaty as a partnership. That is now gone, we are back to Health New Zealand (AKA Te Whatu Ora), delivering healthcare for all New Zealanders.
      – Section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act required Oranga Tamariki (still called that because it’s in a Parliamentary law) to have regard to the Treaty in all it did. Karen Chhour has introduced legislation to Parliament that will remove 7AA, and children’s needs will be put before their race.
      – legislation will very soon be introduced to restore referendums for Māori wards.
      – Race-based entry to medical school will be reviewed.
      – The Aotearoa Histories curriculum says ‘Māori history is the foundational and continuous history of New Zealand’. It will now be rebalanced under ACT’s coalition agreement.
      – Work is underway to stop racial preference in Government procurement. For example, ring fencing Government contracts for Māori businesses will be gone. And a Cabinet Circular telling the entire public service to focus on need before race is underway.
      – The Treaty Principles Bill will be introduced this year, and it will define the Principles of the Treaty as being what the Treaty says in its three short articles: The Government has the right to govern. We all have the right to self-determine and own our property. We all have the ‘same rights and duties’.”
      
      That’s a pretty impressive list!
      
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      June 4, 2024 1:56pm
      - Miritu
        
        Most of above has not yet happened ..
        “..will very soon be introduced…”
        “..will be reviewed..”
        “..will now be rebalanced..”
        “..bill will be introduced later this year..”
        promises promises, many get broken
        
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        June 4, 2024 9:11pm
      - Scott
        
        No.
        3 waters is gone. Maori health authority is gone.
        Let’s try and be a lot more positive. This govt is doing great!
        
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        June 5, 2024 8:04am
- nathie
  
  Presumably Pharmac is trying to negotiate the best price for these cancer drugs and perhaps even newer ones so that the Coalition Govt can fund them …. and the MSM and Chuck Bird continue to undermine these efforts by constantly knocking the Govt which could also be playing into “big pharmas” hands??
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:57am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    If that were the case, the budget would have included contingency funding for the drugs.
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:31am
- MCōs
  
  In August last year National said vote for us and we will reinstate the the $5 prescription charges on the hardworking squeezed middle and use the money to fund cancer medicine
  I believe the prescription charge comes back on in July
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300954669/national-will-pay-for-13-cancer-treatments-by-bringing-back-prescription-fees
  
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  June 4, 2024 11:04am
  - Paulus
    
    Labour only dropped the $5 prescription charge to embarrass the incoming Government.
    The $5 system only covers up to a $100 a year maximum for a family, and assume that will remain.
    Warehouse Chemist have never charged !
    
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    June 4, 2024 12:13pm
    - MCōs
      
      Forget about what Labour said or did
      The current administration were swept into power because they’re supposed to be better
      
      With regards to Chemist Warehouse.
      Quaint and all that it may seem & not wishing to sound xenophobic I prefer the local pharmacy to some Australian conglomerate . . . . .
      
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      June 4, 2024 12:37pm
      - slightlyrighty
        
        Given that they realise that as a government, they cannot spend money that doesn’t exist, they are an improvement.
        
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        June 4, 2024 2:27pm
      - Miritu
        
        “…as a government, they cannot spend money that doesn’t exist…”
        In its first budget, this government is increasing overall government spending, and borrowing at an even faster rate than the last.
        https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/240531_budget_newsletter
        
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        June 4, 2024 9:17pm
      - Ghost
        
        Problem is that the previous government has royally screwed up the country. It’s going to take extra spending to fix things back up. Health is a mess, waiting lists are a nightmare. There is not one part of government that labour hasn’t screwed up. Our roads are a mess and need a huge spend up on. I personally would prefer the tax cuts were delayed until the mess was cleaned up
        
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        June 4, 2024 9:26pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  There are legitimate questions about how well Pharmac is doing its job, but it is better to have drug funding decisions made by an independent body rather than politicians. For that reason, National should never have promised to fund specific drugs.
  
  Also, it is a no-win situation for any government. Many people with cancer will die from it regardless of treatment. But people are unwilling to accept that, so will often convince themselves that whatever drug is currently not funded, must be the one that would save them or their loved one. For that reason, the best thing for politicians to do is fund Pharmac adequately then stay out of it.
  
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  June 4, 2024 11:11am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I agree.
    
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    June 4, 2024 11:50am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes, I knew a guy a couple of years ago who decided to self fund with Keytruda – he had lung cancer & was advised that it was the only drug which MAY save him. It gave him about 18 months more life, but he died last year. Really good man, only in his early 70’s. Had been in the military for many years in the UK.
      
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      June 4, 2024 12:12pm
- Sacha
  
  I have just spent an interesting half hour reading about Pharmac – google source.
  There are a lot of rabbit holes one could go down – one of which would be to examine Pharma’s stated concern for the state of Maori health care –
  The problem is that Pharmac doesn’t state just what is lacking, although I have to admit I haven’t explored ALL of the rabbit warren.
  
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  June 4, 2024 12:15pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Listen at 7:45 and just after Luxon is finished. The people who texted and emailed Mike. They are not happy. I will never vote for Luxon. I will vote for either Act or NZF. I voted for Act at the election but that will not stop me from criticizing Seymour. I could vote NZF but I would criticize NZF for funding Hamas through UNRWA.
    
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-demand/week-on-demand/
    
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    June 4, 2024 2:27pm
    - Ghost
      
      Who really cares who you will vote for. Every week you throw a different tantrum and claim you will never vote what ever party is that weeks tantrum. I’m surprised there is any party left for you to vote for
      
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      June 4, 2024 2:52pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Luxon lied. $70 million a year. That is a bit over $20 a year less tax cut. National took the calculator off their website and put it back after the budget. It seems some National types here are as loyal as Trump supporters. How much is spent on the climate emergency BS? Take it from that.
  
  Luxon says National will deliver on cancer drug promise as fury mounts | Newshub
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ByY7AVwGA
  
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  June 4, 2024 2:16pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    What a self own. The lack of media savvy is astounding.
    
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    June 4, 2024 5:13pm
pdm

Yesterday I posed the following query at No Minister Blog but got no answers..

Who is the tallest current Parliamentarian. I think there are two contenders but I could not find any mention of heights anywhere, My contenders are:

Jamie Arbuckle
Tim Costley

The Blowhard in the Cowboy Hat with the funny face is not a contender.
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June 4, 2024 8:09am
- kowtow
  
  Don’t know ,but Parliamentary Services are trying to get into the wine marketing business .
  
  Me thinks there’s too many public servants living high on the tax payer if this is what they get up to.
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:22am
  - Paulus
    
    As you mention the Public Service for a few weeks, as an ex Wellingtonian with friends I have been exploring what is going on and have used two Major Departments for information from within and both are huge and very similar.
    They appear to have made it very to their top sycophantic senior layers of staff that the will continue to do exactly what they want irrespective of any Minister.
    They are following what Ardern/Robertson did in giving them very free reign to pursue their decided objectives irrespective of the outside conclusions.
    Both I refer to are of course headed by two very tough older ladies, and their next tiers live in total fear that they should not accept what they are told.
    The Public Service Commission (CEO empty currently) so similar to all this and is of course totally behind these kinds of people and I am sure these two are the tip of what is to come as they will not accept the will of the elected Government and the various Ministers.
    Money can be withheld, but the wrong people will suffer.
    In time am going to other sources when I can.
    
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    June 4, 2024 12:23pm
- Colville
  
  Arbuckle looks tall because he is a head taller than Winston but that only makes him about 5’9″ !
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:26am
  - pdm
    
    Good try Colville but my impression is both Arbuckle and Costley are nudging 6’4″.
    
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    June 4, 2024 10:59am
- john1234
  
  I think “who is the shortest” would be much more interesting.
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:04am
  - Flossie
    
    What does it matter? Are you trying to suggest there is a correlation between “short” and some kind of mental incapacity?
    As a person lacking in height I object strongly to the inference that tall is better.
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:27am
    - imalwaysright
      
      If you were lacking in height then there would be a vacuum where your head should be.
      
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      June 4, 2024 10:44am
    - pdm
      
      Flossie nothing to do with what you suggest.
      
      Call it personal intrigue – at 5’6″ I am no giant myself.
      
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      June 4, 2024 11:01am
    - Sacha
      
      Have you not heard of the ‘little man syndrome’?
      
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      June 4, 2024 12:16pm
      - Colville
        
        ….and there is a fair bit of that around parliament!
        
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        June 4, 2024 1:40pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Widest?
    
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    June 4, 2024 8:21pm
- OlderChas
  
  Sepuloni maybe?
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:59am
slightlyrighty

I see Albo’s work on the 501 problem is biting him in the arse, and we can expect more NZ Born, Aussie built criminals to head back over the ditch.

Does anyone else see the irony of a Nation founded by the importing of Criminals, now exporting them?
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June 4, 2024 8:11am
- Rusty
  
  @slightly..
  
  And NZ is sort of exporting our police force over to AUST.
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:28am
- Conservatarian
  
  I’m coming in completely fact free here – I don’t know anything about this area of law, nor how long this has been a specific issue. Was it back to the Key era or even further? Or did ScoMo sense a win-win for both countries’ then government – he could rely on Ardern’s reflexive enjoyment of a stage to “clap back” at him while always intending to crim-cuddle and follow UN diktat to welcome them in with open arms and be resettled in their ancestral homeland.
  
  New Zealand surely has the sovereign right to block the entry of these criminals into the country. If not, I’d consider a special sub-Antarctic island “processing centre” / permanent settlement to be a useful government spend. Obviously the feelings of leftists would be severely injured by this, and the UN-global government-human rights complex would swing into action with strongly worded denunciations 5% stronger than Ardern’s.
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:29am
  - Flossie
    
    I’m certainly no lawyer of any description but I do not think there is any right to block a citizen’s entry into New Zealand. I believe there’s some kind of international rule that a person cannot be left stateless.
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:55am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Covid proves you wrong, sadly.
      
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      June 4, 2024 10:15am
      - miltonF
        
        Ouch.
        
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        June 4, 2024 2:37pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Jacinda Ardern found a way to block NZ citizens returning to NZ.
      
      https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/long-reads/new-zealand-covid-borders-locked-b1923258.html
      
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      June 4, 2024 10:18am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “New Zealand surely has the sovereign right to block the entry of these criminals into the country.”
    
    No. When you enter New Zealand on a New Zealand passport, there is no question on your arrival card about criminal convictions. Because you have an absolute right to enter. (let’s call the MIQ lottery during covid an abomination which shall hopefully never be repeated.)
    
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    June 4, 2024 10:10am
  - Sacha
    
    If you’ve got an NZ passport, you don’t need a visa to enter Aus and vice-versa. Bring back visas, and the situation might change.
    
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    June 4, 2024 12:27pm
- Notsofast
  
  Watch Peter Dutton.
  https://youtu.be/3odpleTip1o?si=g15ERhQhBCbNuFP3
  
  He would like to arrest C. Swarbrick if she tries to enter Australia, for screaming from the river to the sea.
  The Green party are highly exposed as fanatical hate speech legislators, and anti semites.
  Be careful what you wish for, and hold the line against hate speech and big tech legislation.
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:58am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Most are not Aussie built. They are criminals primarily because they were raised badly by their kiwi parents.
  
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  June 4, 2024 11:15am
- Paulus
  
  In today’s world no New Zealander can get into Australia if they have a criminal record.
  
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  June 4, 2024 12:27pm
  - Colville
    
    Only past 7 years?
    Clean slate?
    
    A mate of mine who was Bad with a capital B when he was a lad goes there regularly.
    
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    June 4, 2024 1:43pm
artemisia

The coalition government is making headway on emergency housing grants and numbers, both down 22% since October 2023. Not bad for 6 months. Significant for households impacted plus it is an expensive business.

MSD reports monthly on these, link below is April 2024 with historical information back for a year.

Number EH Grants down 22%. Oct 2023 – 4,005; April 2024 3,117
Households in EH down 22%. Oct 2023 – 3,237; April 2024 2,535
https://msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/housing/monthly-housing-update/2024/monthly-housing-report-april-2024.pdf
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June 4, 2024 8:13am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  Good progress. What passes for a journalist nowadays doesn’t seem to be able to access this sort of data. Yes, I know, they don’t want to. It doesn’t bleed.
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Is this “progress” a result of a decline in demand for emergency housing? If it is accompanied by an increase in homelessness it is hardly progress.
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:38am
  - artemisia
    
    Those in EH are already officially counted as homeless. New Zealand has a comparatively wide definition of ‘homeless’ compared to other countries.
    
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    June 4, 2024 8:51am
    - MCōs
      
      “New Zealand’s official definition of homelessness is broad and covers people who are without shelter, in emergency and temporary accommodation and living as a temporary resident in a severely overcrowded private dwelling.”
      https://www.hud.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Documents/Frequently-Asked-Questions.pdf
      So an emergency house or someone’s living room for a few days is not considered a home
      
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      June 4, 2024 9:23am
      - thirteenstars
        
        No, it’s not. Regardless of your political ideology you can’t say that living in EH, say a motel at $1,000 per week on the taxpayer’s dollar, is a proper definition of that person being in a home. Or that sleeping in someone’s living room with your household goods in storage, also on the taxpayer’s dollar, is either.
        
        It’s time NZ faced up to the problem which is caused by regulatory land-use restrictions which stem wholly from environmental policies. Until vast amounts of land are freed up for housing, the supply of homes will not increase to meet demand and house prices and rents will not fall.
        
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        June 4, 2024 9:49am
      - artemisia
        
        Better to use the very detailed Stats definition. It has some odd aspects, like including people living long term in boarding houses or motor camps.
        
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        June 4, 2024 1:24pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      OK. What actions have been taken to reduce the granting of emergency housing? Has demand fallen or has supply contracted?
      
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      June 4, 2024 9:27am
      - MCōs
        
        Emergency housing is for people who have nowhere else to go for the next seven days.
        So by definition they’re in a desperate situation, which may have been avoidable, but not necessarily so
        
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        June 4, 2024 9:54am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      OK thanks for clarifying. I would like to know whether the decline in the numbers in emergency accommodation have been accompanied by an increase in mumbers of folk in cars.
      
      My point is that the data cited might be an excellent result. Or not.
      
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      June 4, 2024 10:13am
      - artemisia
        
        BY – That would need to count people going in to EH and those leaving it. There are new criteria for the former, AFAIK there is no publicly available info on number of applicants declined EH under the new criteria. Might still come.
        
        Those leaving EH may be for various reasons, and there is support available, but unlikely many will be forced to leave with the car as the only option. Any in that situation, well there will be reasons.
        
        Bottom line is number in EH is reducing and that is a good thing. More data would be lovely but you know – the perfect and the good.
        
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        June 4, 2024 11:07am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Why the downticks for a legitimate question?
    
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    June 4, 2024 10:51am
- artemisia
  
  There is also the lake and stream effect. If the stream keeps flowing into the lake without a corresponding outflow, the lake gets bigger. The coalition government has made changes to EH eligibility and scrutiny. Streams.
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:20am
Tomtoddy

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is a US scientific and regulatory agency charged with forecasting weather, monitoring oceanic and atmospheric conditions, charting the seas, conducting deep-sea exploration, and managing fishing and protection of marine mammals and endangered species in the US exclusive economic zone.

It is now heavily politicised and knowingly presents false information. Roger Pielke shows the extent of the corruption in the world’s most prestigious climate body. His findings on NOAA are not heavy, complex science. Their deliberate massaging of data is as plain as the nose on your face.

These scientists and administrators don’t fret any longer about misleading and deceptive publications. They don’t have to. The media will never show them up and too many politicians suck up the muck.

What hope is there for us? Will the wheel turn another 180 degrees?
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June 4, 2024 8:17am
- jkt
  
  “When will wheel turn?”
  Time…..
  
  All the models will soon need to be adjusted ……
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  Te Media ?
  
  Yesterday in NZME was a sad sad sad story of some low lying Panamanian Caribbean islands that are sinking due to rising seas and climate change . Climate refugees etc
  
  Just the tiniest bit of research shows that “climate”is not problem.
  The islands are small and over populated and since at least the ’60’s they’ve been busily beavering away digging extracting coral to extend their holdings , thereby exposing the islands ( which are already low lying) to seasonal storms .
  The “climate change” and sea level rises being oddly, worse only at storm season due to wind and wave action.
  
  The Lying Media. And controlling and/ or stupid politicians going along with it.
  
  Perhaps Maureen Pugh could get Luxon to do some reading on the subject.
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    Another huge factor in many of these islands is fresh water extraction. This causes land subsidence, which is easy to confuse with water levels rising.
    
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    June 4, 2024 1:20pm
    - kowtow
      
      Water extraction causing subsidence is a huge problem , around the world .
      
      USA east coast , Jakarta famously and many other places too.
      
      Then there’s the issue of salt water intrusion .
      
      These are of course local , man made environmental issues and nothing to do with “climate change” or alleged rising sea levels .
      
      But the media invariably state that as the cause.
      
      So much for truth , trust and science.
      
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      June 4, 2024 4:27pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Jakarta was built on a swamp. Has been soggy since day one.
        
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        June 4, 2024 8:27pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  You may have forgotten a link?
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:39am
  - jkt
    
    Search the internet.
    There are enough clues. Try Roger Pielke and NOAA.
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:23am
- cmm
  
  Apart from everything else there is an ongoing turf war between NASA and NOAA.
  
  NASA is supposed to restrict itself to space and aeronautics, but often get involved in atmospheric and oceanographic research too.
  
  Part of this turf war ends up in increased hype to lock down funding etc.
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some links:
  
  Scientific integrity and U.S. “Billion Dollar Disasters”
  
  https://www.nature.com/articles/s44304-024-00011-0
  
  https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/billion-dollar-disasters-are-a-national
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have been seeing news items about bad weather to hit New Zealand for about a week.
  Large low pressure in the Tasman sea. Its really showing on the east coast of Australia.
  When will it hit NZ? Will it hit NZ?
  Bad seas, 9 meter waves, thunderstorms, hail.
  I detect bullshit. Sure there is a low pressure.
  
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  June 4, 2024 10:01am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Ignore any news reports on the weather. Weather Watch video updates on YouTube are excellent.
    
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    June 4, 2024 10:18am
    - Miritu
      
      Good advice. Suggest you apply it to “fact check” sites too 🙂
      
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      June 4, 2024 9:25pm
  - jkt
    
    The climate changes …. The weather is unpredictable …. get used to it.
    
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    June 4, 2024 10:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If you pay climate change Tax it is not so unpredictable.
      
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      June 4, 2024 11:57am
      - jkt
        
        The tax is to control you and the climate, not the weather.
        So your behaviour will change, the weather will stay unpredictable …and climate will do what climate does.
        
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        June 4, 2024 1:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Climate will do what climate does, but it is fun to try and control climate with other people’s money. Best thing is the climate changers get paid well and never have to get a haircut and get a real job.
        
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        June 4, 2024 3:25pm
      - jkt
        
        We could always ban the climate from changing.
        
        On a less serious note:
        
        The tax will come in useful to fund some of the costs of the adaptation projects to better deal with the effects of climate change and as a bonus we get better resilience to deal with weather events.
        
        Trade-offs may well see the tax used to fund cancer drugs or the rehabilitation of criminals or whatever … These taxes come from the pockets of NZ taxpayers and should be used to fund what society values most, not what mainstream media shouts about loudest.
        
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        June 4, 2024 5:48pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    I remember when we got isobars and hectopascals. It wasn’t hard to work out what was happening.
    Its funny that Niwa and the met service try to tell us tomorrows temperature but they totally missed the billions of tons of rain that flooded auckland last year.
    ( it showed up on the Windy app)
    
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    June 4, 2024 11:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Being a boatie, the isobars is how to read it – not hard.
      An ‘anti-cyclone’ goes anti counter clockwise. How about that?
      If the lines are close together it will blow, further apart the less blow.
      In Auckland just look at Rangitoto Island. If you can see it, then it is going to rain. If you can’t see Rangitoto it is raining.
      Leave the boat at home and go to the pub.
      
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      June 4, 2024 3:31pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes indeed,
  I find it interesting between NOAA and NASA. Both on the climate change band wagon, However NASA just released satelite data from GRACE which totally contradicts Sea level rise.
  
  So in one hand you have NASA ( Soft science) and climate change whilst on the other hand you Have NASA and Hard thorough science with the likes of Grace Data.
  
  There must be a clear division amongst NASA itself.
  
  If you really want too lose your marbles then have a look at UN Meteorology Organisation and the Climate change hysteria promotion.
  The name itself is a complete oxymoron.
  
  Even the BOM ( Australia) have been caught out peddling mis information.
  
  @Steve O, Watch out for any catastrophic ” Atmospheric Rivers” heading your way soon //
  
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  June 4, 2024 2:42pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I live on a gentle slope in Bayview, that overlooks Hellyer’s Creek. Those “Atmospheric Rivers’ will not take out the piles under my house.
    Now, sea level rise. The Islands are sinking, but we are never told that.
    Mis-information sells new, and there is always some disclosure statement.
    See my weather prediction method to ‘imalwaysright’ above at 3.31pm.
    
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    June 4, 2024 3:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      sells news*
      
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      June 4, 2024 4:50pm
Maggie Pie

PRIDE MONTH AOTEAROA JUNE 1 – 30

‘Dyke March’ launched with traditional Ka-Mate-Haka.

Watch (full screen/sound up)

https://x.com/BelissaCohen/status/1797471178233401487
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June 4, 2024 8:22am
- Nukuleka
  
  I thought Pride month had well and truly been and gone. Certainly here in Christchurch Ballantynes Department Store had a Pride window display way back, cleverly re-using the rainbow as a backdrop for their April kiddies’ autumn display, and are now busy promoting the joys of Matariki. By the by, are others on Kiwiblog old enough to recall when Pride was one of the 7 deadly sins? Such fond memories.
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:03am
  - Inandout
    
    Nuku, could we change the saying to ‘pride cometh before the fool?
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:31am
- OlderChas
  
  I noted an Asian woman in the ‘crowd’ watching this performance with wide eyes and open mouth. She honestly looked like “WTF????” I admit to being pretty wtf about it myself lol.
  
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  June 4, 2024 10:09am
- Notsofast
  
  Kathleen Stock deconstructs:
  
  https://x.com/stew_rachel/status/1797207166757335530?t=azsDoCy57jrCArcc1vRhoQ&s=19
  
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  June 4, 2024 11:05am
Benedict Yu

I recently discovered that about half of OECD countries do not collect data on ethnicity. Australia is one of those. France and Germany go further. Gathering any information on ethnicity is illegal.

Then along came the new Australian government, which decided that it needed ethnicity data so that it could measure “diversity”.

“The federal government has announced it will begin collecting ethnicity data as part of measuring diversity in Australia, a move long called for by experts and multicultural community groups.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-16/federal-government-to-measure-ethnicity-data-multiculturalism/101158038

Australian census questions ask the more precise question.”Who were your ancestors? ”

In a twist, the statistics agency in Australia has decided to refuse to comply with the wishes of the government. It will not be collecting ethnicity data. It can do this as it has statutory independence.

“”Most notably, the testing showed that the public is unlikely to have a consistent understanding of what ethnic identity is, or the difference between ethnic identity and ancestry.”

This statement from an academic at ANU sums it up.

“”Creating formal, permanent ethnic and racial categories tends to socialise and harden those categories so they structure our experiences and opportunities even more than they did before,” she said.

“This is obviously not what Australian advocates have been calling for, but it is consistent with how states have used census categories all around the world.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-25/abs-census-ethnicity-ancestry-australia-population-data/103638672

I think she means “like New Zealand”. 🤡
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June 4, 2024 8:28am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  Just another reason australia is better than nz.
  
  Having been over a few weeks ago it was so refreshing to watch a country go about its business without having to listen to a mangled up language and be told how bad maoris do in every metric and how much extra I have to pay because of that.
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:40am
  - jkt
    
    Go live there. Then you will experience the reality. Same nightmare as here.
    
    I visited there during the run up to their “cultural referendum”.
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:46am
    - Anthony Melchett
      
      Call it what you like but the evidence is plain to see which works better.
      
      Nz – dole bludgers and all service businesses run (badly) by Indians.
      
      Oz – businesses well staffed and people actually give customer service.
      
      Catch an Uber in both countries and tell me which one is better…
      
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      June 4, 2024 10:22am
      - jkt
        
        And that is why I love visiting Aussie. (Not to get away from critical indigenous theory)
        
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        June 4, 2024 10:59am
      - MCōs
        
        My wife’s niece and her husband, who are both ethnic Thai just moved from Auckland to Melbourne
        He drove for Uber here and now he drives for Uber there.
        Next time he rings I’ll ask if he’s a better driver over there
        
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        June 4, 2024 2:01pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        @MCos I’m sure Australia is desperately short of Uber drivers. Western countries are just too nice.
        
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        June 4, 2024 5:26pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Yet every single place you go, every tour you book on, the first thing that is said is that they pay homage to the ancestors and traditional owners of the land. It becomes mighty tedious after you’ve heard it a dozen times.
      
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      June 4, 2024 11:33am
      - jkt
        
        Dead right.
        
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        June 4, 2024 11:45am
      - Beach Haven expat
        
        It’s creeping everywhere. I recently listened to an Australian true crime podcast on Arthur Allan Thomas. The presenter started off by saying the podcast makers paid tribute to those first owners of these lands.
        I’ve not listened to any of their other podcasts as I’m there to discover facts, not be virtue signalled to.
        
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        June 4, 2024 5:32pm
      - PurplePen
        
        I went to a play recently in outer Melbourne suburb. Theatre was owned and run by the local council. Anyway, before the lights went down there was some announcement about traditional owners and land and stuff.. I figured its the same woke apology crap we have here in NZ.
        
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        June 4, 2024 5:49pm
      - Ghost
        
        They also say that in their reality shows filmed in Aussie. Strangely the Aussie reality show filmed in NZ pays no respect to the Māori….
        
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        June 4, 2024 5:55pm
  - Paulus
    
    Not sure I believe they do not have ethnic numbers.
    I as told many years ago by Cousin a very senior Departmental person that there were at that time some over 160 different ethnics and understand that may almost have doubled.
    Suits current Government to hide this.
    
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    June 4, 2024 12:32pm
- Michael Johnston
  
  Some years ago when, for my sins, I was working for a government agency as a statistician, I was reviewing a document from Stats NZ on a proposed change to the way they collect ethnicity data. I asked a friend who was born in Pakistan, raised in England, and came to NZ as a young adult, what his nationality, culture and ancestry were. His answers were NZ/English, English, and Indian, respectively. Then I asked what his ethnicity was. He shrugged. In my response to Stats NZ, I pointed out the the concept of ethnicity is incoherent. They ignored me, of course.
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I have a friend born in Fiji in the 1960s, of Indian descent. He now lives in NZ and has NZ citizenship.
    
    But if he is asked what he is, he answers – British….his nationality at birth.
    
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    June 4, 2024 10:04am
    - pdm
      
      Maggy your friend will probably be the son or grandson of indentured Indian Labourers and born before Fiji became independent in October 1970.
      
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      June 4, 2024 11:08am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Indeed, He is.
        
        But he was a British national at birth…
        just as I am a New Zealander by birth….. I”m not a European…. but often that is the only category offered for folks like me with Scots forebears.
        
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        June 4, 2024 11:24am
      - jkt
        
        Having been born in Africa to African born parents with some European and Malaysian heritage now living in NZ, I have always struggled finding my identifier/category.
        
        These days I use “other” and add “Rationalist” when given the opportunity.
        
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        June 4, 2024 1:10pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        I settle for “mostly human”
        
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        June 4, 2024 8:34pm
    - Jules
      
      Maggie, you’re confusing ethnicity with nationality and citizenship – all three are different things.
      
      Fiji is different because it was a British colony in living memory, but if your friend was born prior to 1970 (before it became independent) then he will be a British subject with citizenship rights, but he’s not ethnically British (which doesn’t matter because it’s citizenship that matters regarding rights). He’s ethnically Indian and I’d suggest his nationality is Fijian.
      
      No idea what your background is, but if you were born and raised in NZ then you are a New Zealander. If you immigrated and went through the process to become a citizen then you are an NZ citizen with the same rights as New Zealanders. If your ancestors come from Europe (no matter how far back) then you’re ethnically European. That doesn’t give you different rights but it matters because ultimately our Western culture comes from Europe (specifically Britain, generally). Appreciate it gets a bit more complex for people who are of mixed heritage but otherwise shouldn’t be too difficult to grasp.
      
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      June 4, 2024 8:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ethnicity is bullshit in NZ. There are 160 or so cultures.
  
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  June 4, 2024 10:06am
  - jkt
    
    Another bloody rationalist! Shame on you.
    
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    June 4, 2024 1:15pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Thankyou, thankyou very much. Like my outfit?
      
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      June 4, 2024 3:40pm
- rouppe
  
  What I’ve noticed in media just the last couple of months is a (re) introduction of race to descriptions of people.
  
  The man is described as being in his 40s, fair skinned, around 180cm tall with darker hair.
  
  I’ve seen a couple of others but can’t find links to them now
  
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  June 4, 2024 10:28am
  - Sacha
    
    I have never thought of ‘fair-skinned’ as being a racist description.
    Or black, or tanned, or swarthy.
    Or blonde or dark haired.
    Try to describe a person without using some physical reference.
    – police are searching for a person . . . . .?
    
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    June 4, 2024 12:45pm
    - rouppe
      
      Yes but they used to say “male Maori” or “female caucasian” back in the day.
      
      But then they stopped because the activists said it was racist since “male Maori” came up a lot, and also couldn’t say you were looking for a “middle Eastern” person after 9/11.
      
      So for quite some time it was just “male, age range, hair color” which isn’t much use when you’re asking for public help.
      
      But I’ve just noticed a few ethnic qualifiers recently. Just an observation…
      
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      June 4, 2024 3:52pm
Agricola

I feel an obligatory imposition to dip into the barmy parallel universe of progressive media occasionally to see what the bien pensants of the Left are telling their readers. It’s filthy work, but someone has to do it.
Today’s contribution from a Guardian columnist, warns against stepping onto the treadmill to fascism.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/03/getting-fit-could-turn-you-into-a-rightwing-jerk
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June 4, 2024 8:32am
Bridgenag

WHO International Health Regulations
In a frantic last minute rush, modified IHR were illegally approved by the most recent World Health Assembly (#77)

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/who-international-health-regulations?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 4, 2024 8:33am
- mawm
  
  I wonder if our government even knows that they now have to implement whatever nonsense the WHO sucks out of its collective thumb in the event of a health emergency determined as such by them.
  
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  June 4, 2024 5:08pm
Maggie Pie

The-Darkness-Of-The-Tamihere-Fiefdom and why John must step down.

“I chose to look for the good in people, but in John I could find none…….”

– HAIMONA GRAY

https://twitter.com/Haimonaetc/status/1797478701308993867
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June 4, 2024 8:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Dim Chappie posted a better link to the whole article last night (for those of us not on twitter).
  
  https://haimona.substack.com/p/the-darkness-of-the-tamihere-fiefdom?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1lrc55&triedRedirect=true
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:52am
- Gravelroad
  
  If Maori in general are ok with people dressing up like baby Morris dancers (Disrespectful of another country’s “culture”), and making a mockery of Maori traditions such as the haka, should those of us who are not Maori be bothered about it?
  Don’t think so.
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:11am
  - Damocles11
    
    That’s your response to the rotten state of the Tamihere fiefdom, where gorging on taxpayer money is constant and obscene and this teflon character – a real Al Capone in our midst – is seemingly ‘untouchable’? Righto.
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:18am
  - Gravelroad
    
    This was intended as a comment on Maggie Pie’s contribution @8.22.
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:29am
- Damocles11
  
  I had high hopes for this government but the fact that such an appalling stink emanates from an individual and nothing is done….words fail me. The much-maligned journalists are doing their jobs in this instance, and have been for years in fact. They are the only ones on this sorry saga who are doing their jobs. The SFO, the government agencies providing the funding, and the government itself….these are the organisations that are letting us all down. Don’t tell me there aren’t other whistleblowers, when an individual treats other humans the way this guy does then there will be plenty willing to come forward. The ostriches just don’t want to know.
  Just another reason for people to head to Australia; some here are working themselves into an early grave trying to get ahead and provide for their families just to see their tax dollars shovelled into the pockets of the worst of the worst.
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:26am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  John doesn’t need to step down, he needs to be facing criminal charges.
  
  Also, why does millions (billions?) Of taxpayer dollars need to go to support Maori who choose to live in urban areas? It’s not compulsory, they could still live in mud huts if they wanted.
  
  The whole thing is a scam. They go to town to follow the money. The organisations get setup to channel it to them instead of working for it.
  
  Either split the country into 2 official states each run by themselves, or burn down anything based on race.
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:48am
  - imalwaysright
    
    It looks like not much money gets channeled to the poor.
    Tamihere’s “charity” had $62 million in the bank this year and $54 million two years ago, yet they still get annual funding of about $20 million.
    What is that about?
    A charity should have zero dollars at the end of their funding cycle.
    Johnny has mana, or Johnny has money?
    
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    June 4, 2024 11:12am
    - Damocles11
      
      Exactly, why are huge amounts of taxpayer money being obtained & banked away at a supposed charity? Looks like a mighty war chest is being built up, which is the polar opposite of what should be expected at a ‘lean and mean’ charity fulfilling its charitable purpose.
      
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      June 4, 2024 11:26am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    Remember, when challenged on the holes in Hannah the beret wearer’s claims of a racist home invasion during the election campaign, JT said on the Working Group it didn’t matter as the whole thing “spoke to our people*.
    The man can’t lie straight in bed.
    
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    June 4, 2024 5:39pm
- John Loveridge
  
  I can’t understand why the Tamihere census data villainy isn’t at the top of every masthead today.
  
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  June 4, 2024 6:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co Governance. Julian Batchelor.

The videos are now working. Don’t know what the problem was.
Wonder if it was legal?
________________________________

What’s the problem with Maori Protests. Part 3.

The Media is corrupt. Spin, lies, and baseless claims.

Julian tears Lady Tureiti Moxon’s spin to pieces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzfR50BcDAE
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What’s the problem with Maori Protests. Part 4.
Here Meka Whaitiri and Liam Mehir are with Jack Tame. Straight away the Maori complaints start. That is how it works.
Later in the video Winston Peters tears Jack Tame a new arsehole. It is brilliant!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkM-tH27D0U
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June 4, 2024 8:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That’s Liam Hehir. My typo, I own it.
  
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  June 4, 2024 8:50am
- ISeeRed
  
  Julian has to stop pushing lies and BS like Morioris were here before Maoris (nope, Chatham Islands) and there were other peoples before either of them. It hurts his credibility and cause greatly.
  
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  June 4, 2024 1:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Email him and tell him your thoughts. I am just the messenger.
    
    Oh, how about an example of a lie? Just one, not the many he is accused of.
    The accusations are just diversions from the original subject – which was – provide an example.
    
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    June 4, 2024 3:48pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Firstly, I’m on your side but don’t be coy about just being a messenger. You post several times daily so you are more like an advocate.
      
      Now, I stated the lie, but perhaps “lie” is a bit harsh. It’s incorrect the Moriori occupied New Zealand before the Maori. You could argue the Chatham Islands is technically part of New Zealand. But the claim usually involves the word “here” referring to the two main islands.
      
      As for previous peoples visiting or settling here, sure, maybe the Chinese or other populations dotting the Pacific, but the Celts? Have you never seen a globe?
      
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      June 4, 2024 5:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        No example.
        I post a lot because it interests me. I find the education in NZ is infested with activists. So is the Police Force. I went to the Orewa meeting – what a shambles the activists were.
        I distribute the Stop Co-Governance booklets in my area. Would you like one? Trouble is getting it to you – and others on this blog.
        There is another tour of NZ supposed to be starting this year.
        
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        June 5, 2024 7:13am
Sparrow

What is it with the politicians we have not just in NZ look at the USA. The Labour lot were just totally incompetent and stupid, the Greens live on a far flung planet. Now this lot are typical slash and burn Tories but also incompetent with the cancer drug stuff up, and stopping new school in the BOP. Where can we find a benign Dictator it can’t be worse than our present system. Mind you there is the saying ” you get the politicians you deserve” or similar sentiments.
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June 4, 2024 8:42am
- Grunter
  
  “Now this lot are typical slash and burn Tories….”
  
  Nah – they are planning to spend more that Robertson and continue to borrow. The biggest spending ‘right-wing’ Govt I’ve ever seen in NZ.
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:25am
Maggie Pie

‘QUEERS FOR PALESTINE’

https://x.com/MahdiBaladi1/status/1738551349745267116

Get a room!! 😀 😀 😀
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June 4, 2024 9:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Alina Habba insists nothing will stop Trump’s White House bid.
WinRed website crashes but running again. US$52.8M in 24 hours after verdicts.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/alina-habba-insists-nothing-will-stop-trump-s-white-house-bid/ss-BB1ny1YK?
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June 4, 2024 9:20am
- slightlyrighty
  
  So Trump claims an additional 52 million….
  
  Just because that is stated, doesn’t mean it’s true. Has this been verified?
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:31am
  - Inandout
    
    slight, well where does verification stop?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibpiT6RTc1A
    There is something very wrong with these cities and perhaps thinking people have had enough and are putting their money where their mouth is.
    
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    June 4, 2024 10:02am
  - artemisia
    
    Have read elsewhere that there has also been some $US70mill pledged by large donors. Maybe they were going to pledge anyway.
    
    The takeaway though is that a lot of people are angry enough to pay or pledge.
    
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    June 4, 2024 10:13am
    - artemisia
      
      Actually I got that number wrong. Alex Berenson’s substack has a post headed ‘Follow the Money’ 3 June 2024. It includes the following plus more details.
      
      Thursday’s felony verdict in Manhattan against Donald Trump has led to a massive wave of campaign donations for Trump that may reshape the 2024 Presidential election if it continues. Between Thursday and Sunday, Trump received $70 million from small individual donors, as well as an additional $130 million in pledges from larger donors, his son Eric said on Fox News on Sunday.
      
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      June 4, 2024 1:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is this thing to use to find stuff out if you want to prove me wrong.
    I call it the google machine.
    If it wasn’t true the Dems would be all over it like flies on shit.
    
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    June 4, 2024 10:44am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Dont get me wrong. I am certain there are some very wealthy doners that might easily donate amounts that would get to 50 million in a short time, especially in the US.
      
      Does that translate into wide grassroots support? I don’t know.
      
      I certainly feel that politics on either extreme do not have the widespread support that they might claim….
      
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      June 4, 2024 11:10am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If every Trump supporter donated US$1 it would amount to more than $81.
        The donation website crashed, what does that tell you? Democrats hacked it? Or the Russians did it? 🙂
        
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        June 4, 2024 12:01pm
      - Ghost
        
        Wow, trump only has 81 supporters.
        
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        June 4, 2024 12:01pm
      - Sacha
        
        ‘Grassroots’ people don’t talk much about their political opinions. You might say something a tiny bit off side, and get a simple nod in agreement.
        People instinctively know what’s right.
        Invisible resistance until . . . .
        
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        June 4, 2024 12:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah righto you lot. You all know I meant $81 million.
        Another typo that I own!
        
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        June 4, 2024 3:54pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        No Steve, knowing Trump it would be a yuuuuuge number like 81 bazillion. (Joking.)
        
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        June 4, 2024 5:42pm
  - Its only I
    
    Trumps team can say anything they want. Those that love Trump will enjoy the positive news and click on an article, those that dont like Trump will click on the same article for the outrage. The media outlet wins.
    
    Either way nothing is fact checked and neither “side” knows anything more than before they read the shyt.
    
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    June 4, 2024 11:11am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Never thought of that. No wonder the nutbars get triggered and start rioting.
      
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      June 4, 2024 12:02pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      “Either way nothing is fact checked”
      Well, apart from the compulsory Election returns on donations
      WAFM
      
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      June 4, 2024 1:30pm
Maggie Pie

God knows how much hardworking taxpayers contribute to the ‘Working-For-Other-Peoples-Families’ scheme these days……but it’s fair to say we’ve never heard of anyone ever receiving a ‘note of thanks’ from any of them.

An Oz based bestie feels similarly….

https://tiktok.com/@bobbydouchee/video/7374892804385819922
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June 4, 2024 9:42am
- MCōs
  
  On behalf of my wife and I I’d like to thank you for working your fingers to the bones so we can have something in the order of $21k p.a. pension less tax
  
  As Jim Bolger said to my father about 18mths before he died – Keep working, Jack, we need the taxes.
  Dad, understandably, was furious
  
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  June 4, 2024 12:49pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    So you admit the pension is just the dole for old people?
    
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    June 4, 2024 1:06pm
    - MCōs
      
      Negative
      
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      June 4, 2024 1:36pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Your going off half-cocked again Cossie!
    Do you ever read anything I write properly? SHEESH!!
    
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    June 4, 2024 1:56pm
    - MCōs
      
      Was my expression of gratitude not groveling enough
      
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      June 4, 2024 3:03pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Did you not clik on the TikTok link?
        
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        June 4, 2024 3:54pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Me too. I just kept working and saving, stashing some in places I should not have.
        But now after 58 years of it, the fucking bastards want my nest egg, slowly, one egg at a time.
        I am not sure the coalition is now any better than the thieves of the last six years.
        
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        June 4, 2024 4:00pm
Yvette

Following on from Comments above:

Chat AI –
The article, “The Darkness Of The Tamihere Fiefdom,” highlights serious issues within the Whanau Ora Commissioning Agency (WOCA) under John Tamihere’s leadership. Respected journalist Andrea Vance reported that WOCA illegally shared Census data with Te Pati Maori for political purposes. The author criticizes Tamihere for corrupting the Waipareira Trust, a respected organization aiding Maori communities. Initially improving the organization, Tamihere’s leadership later turned toxic, marked by financial mismanagement and abusive behavior. Despite the good work of community workers, the article argues Tamihere’s control and misconduct have tainted the organization’s integrity. Government bodies like the Charities Commission and the Serious Fraud Office have failed to address these issues effectively, allowing Tamihere’s problematic leadership to persist. The author calls for Tamihere to step down to restore the organization’s independence and focus on its mission.
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article quote –
Since I left I have kept in touch with some of them who are still there. […]
These people fear the day when John’s avarice destroys really important social support services started by inspirational Maori leaders like Dame June Mariu and Dame June Temuranga Jackson – wahine of tremendous mana and vision whose legacies should be protected.
What they accomplished, and why they fought so hard to create a place for Maori lost in urban sprawl, should not be lost amongst the debate around the shoddy leadership of a man who followed them but lacks their integrity.
These wahine are national heroes who have been let down by John and ironically, given the context of why they created these organisations, by government officials.
Sadly, the fiefdom exists because it has been allowed to exist.
– Haimona Gray June 03, 2024
https://haimona.substack.com/p/the-darkness-of-the-tamihere-fiefdom?
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June 4, 2024 9:55am
- Damocles11
  
  ‘Waipareira’s annual report (2023) records 13.3 fulltime-equivalent senior management personnel – the most senior of whom is chief executive John Tamihere – were paid an average of $510,679 per annum. Waipareira’s annual report shows a 77 per cent increase in average executive pay.
  Charities lawyer Sue Barker said she was unaware of any other New Zealand charities paying executives more than $500,000 per annum.
  “No, that’s huge. That’s really huge,” Barker said.’
  
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  June 4, 2024 10:42am
  - Yvette
    
    an average of $510,679 per annum
    
    So this would perhaps mean John Tamihere is well above the average
    like if 2 employees are on $300,000 the top figure would be $932,037
    ((510,679 x 3) – 600,000)
    So what is John Tamihere’s wife on
    What pay does the Leader of Te Party Maori earn?
    
    “No, that’s huge. That’s really huge,” Barker said.’
    Yep – what does a PM earn?
    
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    June 4, 2024 11:08am
    - Damocles11
      
      ‘The Prime Minister’s salary is currently set at NZ$ 484,200.’
      
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      June 4, 2024 11:33am
  - cmm
    
    Like many top end salaries, that 500k is likely the base salary and comes with various trinkets.
    
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    June 4, 2024 11:47am
imalwaysright

Watch this from 1.30 when Tame asks the maori party MPs on election night why there was a sudden 1000 vote swing in an electorate.
Packer and Waititi sniggering in the background might be a clue.

https://youtu.be/bs6llGGBqq8?si=oG7oa7KHe7P1D0eQ
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June 4, 2024 9:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Go big or go home.
Sheriff wants a felon in the Whitehouse. There is already one there!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/california-sheriff-reveals-why-he-s-backing-felon-trump/ar-BB1nvhKE?
“Trump 2024 baby.”
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June 4, 2024 11:45am
cmm

I see that NIWA staff are expressing a lack of confidence in NIWA senior management.

Well as a scientifically minded citizen, who has attempted to interact with NIWA on scientific matters a few times, I would like to express my lack of confidence in the entire NIWA – from the top to the bottom.
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June 4, 2024 11:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wonder when the review into the overlap of Met Service and NIWA weather forecasting will see the light of day.
  
  It is expected that the weather forecasting system review report will be finalised by the end of April 2024, and advice provided to the Government in May 2024.
  
  https://www.treasury.govt.nz/news-and-events/reviews-consultation/weather-forecasting-system-review#:~:text=The%20review%20will%20be%20conducted,NIWA%2C%20and%20other%20key%20stakeholders.
  
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  June 4, 2024 1:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is how screwed up the Democrats are.
This woman is fucking mad!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/maxine-waters-claims-trump-supporters-are-domestic-terrorists/ss-BB1nyB4T?
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June 4, 2024 12:07pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, and the Trump donation site goes ka-ching.
  
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  June 4, 2024 12:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Max is too dumb to know that. California, a shithole, but not withing Max’s walled Mansion.
    
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    June 4, 2024 4:02pm
- Arthur Fleck
  
  She is, but it’s scarier to think about the voters that put someone like Waters in political office. This is the point at which democracy begins to fail.
  
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  June 4, 2024 2:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The left always vote for free shit that they never get.
    
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    June 4, 2024 4:03pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Remember when Chippie had trouble explaining…

“What is a woman?”

Got the same problem in Oz by the look of it 🙁

https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1797272022545838433
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June 4, 2024 12:42pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwt2rJXRynQ
Better Polling. More Dosh for Trump.
Donald Trump is raising MILLIONS after his conviction. This is backfiring. Four million followers on TikTok. Leftists asking some of the right questions.
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June 4, 2024 1:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have a black Trump MAGA hat. Just took it to the hat embroidery people and got it changed from 2020 to 2024!!
  
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  June 4, 2024 4:58pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    It’s a Trump MAGA hat of color, you racist! 🤣
    
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    June 4, 2024 5:45pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      34 felonies – a dark day for America.
      Ka-ching! Yep, black hats are selling like hotcakes!
      
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      June 5, 2024 7:25am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns59QxLRM6w
Life Inside John Tamihere’s Organisation.
Sean Plunket talks to Haimona Gray about life inside John Tamihere’s organisation. A bit more in depth than one could expect from the MSM. Lines between organizations are rather blurred. All outfits are housed in the same Henderson building.
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June 4, 2024 1:01pm
- kevn
  
  sung… Everyone want$ to be a chief.
  
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  June 4, 2024 2:35pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, they do. An IRD audit would be interesting.
    
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    June 4, 2024 5:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Time to stop pouring taxpayers’ $$$$$ into this swamp.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/518611/tvnz-financial-woes-deepen-with-projected-loss-of-at-least-28m
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June 4, 2024 1:04pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Having a NZ reporter/crew currently in India for their irrelevant & unecessary additional reporting on it’s election is symptomatic of the tvnz culture of entitlement & excess
  
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  June 4, 2024 7:06pm
artemisia

Peeni Henare considering options following Manurewa marae allegations by Philip Crump.

Mr Henare may complain to the Electoral Commission, the article says.

ZBPlus, paywalled.
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June 4, 2024 1:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Peeni Henare will be watching the way the wind blows…..
  
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  June 4, 2024 1:18pm
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    If he does challenge, wait for the accusations of being the wrong type of Maori (ie one who doesn’t vote for TMP)
    
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    June 4, 2024 5:44pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And you know there’s problems in camp when even the Maori King HIMSELF admits he’s sh*t scared of Te Pardy Maori……
  
  >> Here he is on vid saying… “Actually, it actually frightens me”.
  
  https://x.com/nz_media_watch/status/1796725566676361634
  
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  June 4, 2024 1:39pm
Damocles11

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/theft-of-nearly-30k-in-school-funds-by-principal-leads-to-registration-cancellation/XJ3GFUCPUZALNMZNRLHTGOJOWA/

‘Cash withdrawals on a school credit card at restaurants, pubs, and casinos of almost $30,000 have resulted in the cancellation of a principal’s teacher’s registration.

Miriama Harmer, 60, was the principal at Te Kura Kaupapa Māori o Te Ātihaunui-ā-Pāpārangi, catering to Year 1 to 8 students in Whanganui.

As part of her role, Harmer was given access to a school Visa card requiring authorisation by the board of trustees for transactions.’
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June 4, 2024 1:20pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Another person at the Top of the Maori Tree dipping their hand in for “koha”.
  
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  June 4, 2024 1:44pm
- MCōs
  
  I worked with someone in Wellington who pinched $150k from our bosses. Never made the papers
  
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  June 4, 2024 1:46pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    That’s normal. What business wants to have it known that their systems weren’t agile enough to spot the theft? You’re wearing the loss either way, but by being quiet you avoid any negative reputational publicity.
    
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    June 4, 2024 2:39pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Were they a headmaster of a Kura, like this highly visible community organisation where the betrayal is perhaps more than just the scale of the money involved?
    
    Yes, there are lots of thefts from inside businesses and charities, and they DO often get in the news – particularly when people rip off charities or vulnerable people from positions of trust.
    Just because one didn’t make it, doesn’t mean there isn’t public interest in this one.
    All of them should be named and shamed.
    
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    June 4, 2024 2:42pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Worked for an SOE and the person i/c Wage Payments went away on honeymoon.
    
    The person standing in for him went to the boss and said he couldn’t work out what the problem was as he couldn’t get the wages to balance.
    
    Called in the accountants and they found the bloke on honeymoon had been cooking the books. He got a tap on the shoulder at the airport. His wife knew nothing about the situation.
    
    He had worked for one of the motor assembly companies in the Hutt Valley and had been let go quietly as he had done the same thing. SOE knew nothing of his previous escapades.
    
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    June 4, 2024 2:49pm
- sirknz
  
  Weird. There was no mention of her iwi affiliations.
  
  How come they never do it for the negative events?
  
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  June 4, 2024 3:33pm
  - David Garrett
    
    sirk: Indeed…Isn’t that most interesting? Never see the iwi affiliations mentioned in the court reports either.
    
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    June 4, 2024 4:52pm
Swifty

No Master Hipkins, what you refer to is a minor blip in the big scheme of things.

A catastrophe is the word we reserve for describing your government 2017-23. A catastrophic waste of time, opportunities and our, and our children’s and grandchildren’s, hard-earned cash.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/518609/labour-attacks-budget-2024-over-cuts-for-housing-catastrophe-for-new-zealand

Get a grip Hipkins. You are sounding demented.
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June 4, 2024 3:01pm
- Ghost
  
  Labour introduced it?
  
  Hmmm
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/home-insulation-retrofits-top-7000-eight-weeks
  
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  June 4, 2024 3:11pm
Maggie Pie

CHECK THIS OUT…. You’ll find it mindblowing!

Just how unbelieveably WOKE are the NZ companies that hate our values?

https://wokeup.nz
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June 4, 2024 3:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yesterday Maggie:
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/06/general_debate_03_june_2024.html#comment-3569325
  
  Unbelievable some of these outfits so “WOKE” and we did not know!
  
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  June 4, 2024 5:06pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    AHA. SORRIE… hate it when that happens.
    Missed everything on the weekend Steve!
    Only back last nite from 3 days in Syders 😀
    
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    June 4, 2024 5:27pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      No big deal, I just got the link by email.
      
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      June 4, 2024 6:02pm
  - than
    
    I thought they were all woke in that list when first scrolling down that page, but was glad to click on some and find not all in there are. Briscoes, Harvey Norman, Farmers etc…
    
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    June 4, 2024 8:45pm
- sungsamning
  
  Thanks for a very interesting link. I’ll post it elsewhere.
  
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  June 4, 2024 5:37pm
Maggie Pie

People with knowledge of the matter on ‘X’ are saying that StatzNZ have contracted ‘Mahutacorp Investigations Ltd’, to prepare an independant report into allegations of misuse of Census data collected for the 2023 Census.
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June 4, 2024 5:43pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Whew, that’s put my mind at ease.
  
  We all know that the Mahuta whanau is “a very talented family”.
  
  https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/08/a-very-talented-family/
  
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  June 4, 2024 9:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀 LOL!!
    
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    June 4, 2024 9:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Merchan is a shithead but he has not got the gonads to jail Trump.
Trump supporters will not get violent.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-alludes-to-violence-by-supporters-if-he-goes-to-jail-but-says-he-s-fine-with-house-arrest/ar-BB1nxS5W?
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June 4, 2024 6:06pm
Albie

OMG! How did this advertising campaign slip under the woke/ cancel culture radar! The Wool Company has two very attractive blonde models on TV and billboard advertising around the country. This cannot be! This does not portray Aotearoa 2024!
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June 4, 2024 6:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One identifies as Maori? 1/4064th Maori?
  
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  June 5, 2024 7:30am

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