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May 31, 2024 8:00am
- lastmanstanding
  
  According to the Census those who “identify” as Maori make up around 20% of the population. At the Elections the Maori Party got around 3% of the total vote. By my maths that means the Maori Party got the support of only 15% of those who “identify” as Maori assuming only those who “identify”as Maori and no Non-Maori voted for the Maori Party.
  The Maori Party only have a voice in the Parliament due to the historical and outdated Maori seats that should have been abolished at the introduction of MMP.
  Alas neither Labour nor the Nats are brave enough to abolish the Maori seats. Given the violent behaviour of the Maori Party and its supporters it is likely they would escalate the violence to civil war even though the vast majority including moderate Maori dont support the Maori seats.
  So we have a very small number of violent people holding the rest to ransom. I say at some point non-Maori probably lead by immigrants are going to rebel against the current situation and then the Government at the time will have a real problem on its hands.Watch this space.
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:15am
  - cmm
    
    “that should have been abolished at the introduction of MMP.”
    
    That should have been abolished with the introduction on universal male suffrage on 19 December 1879.
    
    The justification for Maori seats was that Maori historically did not own land therefore they were disadvantaged by the law that only land owners could vote. In 1879 that restriction went away – as did the need for this special rule for Maori.
    
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    May 31, 2024 10:00am
    - julesnzuk
      
      It’s staggering, and disgraceful, that New Zealand has the option of race-based seats in 2024.
      
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      May 31, 2024 11:23am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Accept them or be fitted up as a “racist”.
        
        1984 is apparently an instruction manual for these people.
        
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        May 31, 2024 4:04pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        NZer in Exile – I don’t accept them and don’t care if people try to label me “racist”. It’s just puerile name calling.
        
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        May 31, 2024 6:32pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    Please stop reducing people to the category of “non-Maori”. I’m not “non” anything – I’m a NZ European and proud of it. Also, plenty of what you call “non Maori” (and I call NZ Europeans, of the dopey leftist variety) vote TPM.
    
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    May 31, 2024 11:22am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Why are you proud of being European? Are you proud of being male, your hair colour, current height or any other trait you had absolutely no control whatsoever over?
      
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      May 31, 2024 2:43pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        I’m not male so no, I am tall and yes quite proud of it. Happy with my hair colour too. You’re right that people shouldn’t be judged over immutable traits that they have no control over, but I reserve the right to be proud if my heritage and everything our culture built and achieved. If people are actively encouraged regarding pride in Maori culture why the hell shouldn’t Europeans be proud of ours?
        
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        May 31, 2024 6:36pm
    - JerJer
      
      You could start adding all sorts of silliness to the end of your name, representing your ancestry which they do in stuff, which seems very weird. So, if you are of European decent you can put something like John Smith (Viking, Scotland, McDuff, England, Wales, New Zealand) or some similar f**kwittery like Maori seem to do here. If you a small percentage of Maori too, like most of them are you can add a bunch of spelling mistakes at the end as well.
      
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      May 31, 2024 4:58pm
  - herb1
    
    17.8% actually. No doubt Maori Party MPs can round it up to 20% as I suspect colonial maths aren’t a strong point.
    What % of that 17.8 actually have more Maori blood than non Maori. I suspect it’s a minority . Scrolling radio channels yesterday I came upon talkback discussion of yesterday’s protests. Newstalk ZB presenter read out 2 texts. One who loved Maori culture and had a DNA test that showed she had 2.5% Maori blood and obviously 97.5% non Maori blood so she registered as Maori on census. The other text was from someone with 0% Maori blood and they registered as Maori because they thought there might be benefits in doing so..
    King of puts a different spin on things
    
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    May 31, 2024 11:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A new Parliament? Where will their offices be (not in the Beehive sunshine!)
Who will finance it? Maori?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/enough-is-enough-te-p%C4%81ti-m%C4%81ori-setting-up-its-own-parliament/ar-BB1niz6T?
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May 31, 2024 8:02am
- kevn
  
  SteveO… Don’t sound so accepting, it isn’t going to happen.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Te Cowboy Waititi is deranged.
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:16am
    - mandk
      
      He’s a deranged, cultural appropriating, racist.
      
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      May 31, 2024 8:21am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      And sh*t scared of his wife 😎
      
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      May 31, 2024 8:25am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        And wife is JT’s daughter. Swears a lot!
        See Stop co-Governance post on Wed.
        
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        May 31, 2024 8:27am
      - jkt
        
        Pottie mouth.
        With a dad like JT, one has to wonder how that happened.
        
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        May 31, 2024 9:32am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Warning – Language.
        
        Clinical Psychologist Dr Kiri Tamihere – Waititi:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VDLdbiyKFk
        
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        May 31, 2024 9:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @jkt,
        I agree. JT always presented himself well. I have never seen him angry.
        I used to like him, but I changed when he went all Treaty wise.
        He should be ashamed of his daughter behaving like that.
        
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        May 31, 2024 10:47am
      - herb1
        
        And so he should be. The Tamiheres family have a history of violence
        
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        May 31, 2024 11:27am
    - Scooter
      
      Not to mention Mrs Te Cowgirl Kiri Tamihere-Waititi, poor woman, obviously brainwashed by her loopy husband and father.
      
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      May 31, 2024 8:35am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I have often wondered if magic mushies are a regular feature of his diet.
      
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      May 31, 2024 4:06pm
  - Rusty
    
    @kevn We are talking about radical Maori here. What do a million Maori people in this country think of Waititi’s dumb idea?
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:32am
    - kowtow
      
      Given how small their voter base is , not a lot.
      
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      May 31, 2024 8:54am
    - julesnzuk
      
      There aren’t a million Maori people.
      
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      May 31, 2024 11:24am
    - herb1
      
      Not 1 million the number of Maori or more importantly those identifying as Maori is 887,493
      
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      May 31, 2024 11:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It will if Labour are able to cobble together a coalition with greens and TPM
    
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    May 31, 2024 6:46pm
- sirknz
  
  Can we stop funding them and their supporters if this is what they really want?
  
  Will they resign from Parliament?
  
  Will they be charged with sedition?
  
  Are their supporters smart enough to realise they are being led up the garden path by their noses?
  
  No.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Te Pāti Māori has issued a Declaration of Political Independence, Te Ngākau o Te Iwi Māori, beginning the process to establish its own Māori Parliament.”
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/te-p-ti-m-ori-declares-it-is-setting-up-its-own-parliament.html
  
  Is this nation within a nation going to be financed by revenue collected solely from Maori? Will it pass laws that can be enforced by the courts?
  
  These are not serious people. 🤡
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:12am
  - imalwaysright
    
    This contravenes their Parliament oath. They should resign or not allowed in Parliament .
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Te Cowboy, I found Te Horse. It was in Rotovegas e-hoa.
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:24am
  - G152
    
    Firstly kick them out of Parliament.
    Secondly stop their pay.
    Thirdly prosecute them for any of the many insurrection crimes real and implied they have committed.
    Then sit back and listen to the moans
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The moans when the Gravy Train screeches to a halt!
      
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      May 31, 2024 9:44am
  - pdm
    
    Sensible Maori will not go within a `bulls roar’ of this proposed fiasco.
    
    The proposed Maori Parliament will mainly be made up from:
    Ngati Tamahere
    Ngati Willie Jackson,
    Ngati Mahuta – but not any other Tainui
    Ngati Tama Iti
    Ngatiess Debbie Ngarewa-Packer
    plus a few other whingers and moaners.
    
    Nga Tahu will not have anything to do with it either is my guess.
    
    A final question for Rawiri Waititi – show us the money because the current New Zealand Government (hopefully) will not be coughing up any dosh.
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:28am
    - Matt Long
      
      Has Darleen Tana joined the Pati Maori yet?
      
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      May 31, 2024 9:00am
      - Flossie
        
        I am seriously interested to know what happens if she did, then say another couple also decide to move over to TMP how does it work with MMP.
        TPM would have way over their percentage of seats as per their percentage of votes cast for parties, and those parties losing MPs have reduced percentages. That scenario makes a waka jumping bill a necessity.
        
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        May 31, 2024 9:38am
      - Matt Long
        
        Kerekere was a list MP who stayed as an independent, Fighty was an electorate MP who jumped to the Maori Waka. Both changed their respective parties percentage without triggering any changes.
        I can’t see the greens alienating their racist votes by invoking the Waka jumping legislation against a Maori woman.
        
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        May 31, 2024 10:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        AFAIK she is still on full salary. Why waka jump?
        
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        May 31, 2024 10:51am
    - rouppe
      
      He expects you and I to pay for this.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/te-pati-maori-protests-new-parliament-mooted-declaration-of-independence-issued/GSOV3QHFX5EQ3NS6SYFIOCMO74/
      
      “I am 20 per cent of this country. I expect nothing less than 20 per cent of the total Budget in this country. That’s what I expect in a kāwanatanga [governance] space.”
      
      Despite the delusions of grandeur with his referring to Maori as “I”, it’s clear he wants all the benefits but none of the responsibility.
      
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      May 31, 2024 9:54am
      - wsk12345
        
        I Would guess that they get way over 20% now. They get 50% of prisons and more than that of police and judiciary, 50% of welfare, a large portion of health more than 20%, they are pandered to over conservation. Plus they get Maori affairs, equal access to roads and other resources. The only areas I can think where they get less than their “share” is tertiary Ed and superannuation
        
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        May 31, 2024 12:41pm
  - Yvette
    
    Waititi is a bit premature – this is still being discussed at Hastinf today –
    
    Towards a Māori Nation – Hei whakatinanatia te kotahitanga
    https://www.huitaumata.co.nz/_files/ugd/a0663d_d18fefd36192409a839d98eeb10b4171.pdf
    
    Maori Parliaments have been formed about four times before this effort
    Now, They think it is time again
    
    But now it is time for David Seymour’s “The New Zealand Government has the right to govern” legislation
    If only it says that, the rest can catch up
    Just as te Iwi Maori have not yet caught up with where Waititi thinks he is
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:35am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “Towards a Māori Nation”
      
      Funded by other buggers’ efforts?
      
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      May 31, 2024 4:09pm
  - Simon
    
    Maori parliament for some Maori but everyone else has to pay for it.
    
    The parasitic nature of many in NZ. The crying over some chicken shit tax cuts, (just bracket adjustments not tax cuts) underlines the greedy parasitic rent seeking hustle style country NZ has become. Too many are taking from the system. National dont have it in them to turn this around.
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:49am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Absolutely. The welfare state is broken, the public good corrupted, the social contract null and void. Too many on the take. Too many handouts. Too many freebies. Seemingly irreversible. Definitely unsustainable. What will happen when the unstoppable force of voters’ greed meets the immovable object of the national debt?
      
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      May 31, 2024 2:56pm
  - RoboRob
    
    When is someone going to point out that starting your own government is in breach of the Treaty they care so much about.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:23am
    - pdm
      
      Karen Chhour has skewered them again.
      
      This time in an article by Chris Lynch that I pinched from The BFD.
      https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/05/31/karen-chhour-skewers-the-maori-party/
      
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      May 31, 2024 10:46am
- Scott
  
  At what point does this kind of talk, setting up a separate govt, become treason?
  The ideas of the late 1970s and early 80s: the labelling of NZ society as institutionally racist, the discovery of Treaty “principles” and the rise of critical race theory are coming to fruition in the Maori party. They seemingly want to return to the tribalism of 1839?
  
  This state of affairs cannot be allowed to continue.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:16am
  - Simon
    
    Its a cheap hustle by rent seeking parasites. Nothing else. They could set up their own parliament tomorrow if they wanted. In a barn somewhere. But they want someone else to pay them first.
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:53am
    - ISeeRed
      
      They do it because there is no pushback. They are enabled, emboldened, encouraged.
      
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      May 31, 2024 2:58pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Setting up your own government is in direct breach of the treaty. Not the principals mind you but the actual treaty.
    
    Articale 1 (the preeminent article)
    
    The Chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes of New Zealand and the separate and independent Chiefs who have not become members of the Confederation cede to Her Majesty the Queen of England absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty which the said Confederation or Individual Chiefs respectively exercise or possess, or may be supposed to exercise or to possess over their respective Territories as the sole sovereigns thereof.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:26am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Chiefs who did not join the Confederation will also cede Sovereignty – whether they like it or not. The small fry will do as they are told.
      
      Te Cowboy is small fry.
      
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      May 31, 2024 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is where they are headed. The is a Coup happening, all c/- the Elite since 1975.
    
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    May 31, 2024 10:55am
- Colville
  
  They want 20% of the tax take for their parliament… Na bro.. Not so fast.
  You guys can have everyone on the Maori electoral roll and we get the rest.
  We will deduct fair and reasonable charges for hospitals, schools and police.
  Hospitals and police you use way more than us so that charge might be quite high.
  Looks like you are in deficit already bro and you haven’t even started!
  Maybe your people need to pay more tax eh?
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:22am
  - Yabster
    
    20% hmm don’t think the “working” population has the same split somehow… also all those iwi not paying corporate tax- maybe they shld knock on their door with their hand out…
    Also the 20% is who identifies as maori, as the % didn’t add up some of that 20% also identifies (dreadful word) as another race- 20% is meaningless bs.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Best Te Cowboy approach the Elite Maori. That is where the money from settlements has gone. The Maori on the street never see one miserable cent!
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:56am
    - pdm
      
      Steve I bet Ngai Tahu will tell him where to go and how to get there.
      
      Remember TV’s David Frost saying – `go forth and multiply!!!’
      
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      May 31, 2024 10:52am
  - rouppe
    
    “We will deduct fair and reasonable charges for hospitals, schools and police.”
    
    Nope. They can run their own hospitals and schools, and leave ours completely.
    
    And when they commit a crime against me, they can face my justice. Which will be a shit ton more direct than what they face now.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:57am
    - alwyn.a
      
      I take it you are a fan of Sir Charles Napier. When Hindu priests complained to him about the prohibition of Sati religious funeral practice of burning widows alive on her husband’s funeral pyre he replied.
      ‘Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.”
      
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      May 31, 2024 5:34pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, the NZ taxpayer can save a lot if there is a Maori Parliament and the double language heading will disappear.
  https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/members-of-parliament/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-202324
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:22am
- peterwn
  
  It will be located on a Marae somewhere in the Waikato, its ‘standing orders’ will be as those for a Hui and it will be financed by Koha from people who come to watch proceedings. In other words, just a glorified Hui.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:23am
- cmm
  
  The majority of Maori don’t want it.
  
  But, just like in New Caledonia at present, where the majority of New Caledonians want the status quo, a few very vocal separatists can make a lot of noise and cause a lot of trouble.
  
  No doubt this Maori separatism appeals more to younger hot-heads. As the Maori population gets younger, and nore numerous, the scales will tilt more in their favour.
  
  We’re now at the stage that Maori make up 20% of the population, but over 30% of the younger population. Given breeding patterns and the laws of compound interest, within 20 years the 20 will become 30 and the 30 will become 40.
  
  Within a few decades we’re looking at a situation where over 50% of young people are Pacifika (if that term is used any more) and the scales can flip.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:34am
  - rockape
    
    As long as the Maori party pay the benefits for those who want to opt out of the “Pakeha” government I am ok with it. But they do need to provide their own Health, education etc from their own Governments Taxes.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:07am
    - cmm
      
      Sure, but you know as well as I do that “Maori separatism” will never extend to getting their hands out of your wallet.
      
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      May 31, 2024 10:56am
  - sirknz
    
    There will be many more Chinese and Indians by then, you’ve forgotten about immigration.
    
    Once they are both represented in parliament, they will not give one flying fuck about the treaty, they will not give one flying fuck about preserving the language, they will only care about the money they can extract.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:09am
  - julesnzuk
    
    They don’t make up 20% of the population. If that figure is even accurate it will include people like me (a 6ft white girl, strawberry blonde and blue eyed and 1/16th Maori. Also an ACT voter). If these people can be categorised as “Maori” because they have Maori heritage somewhere then they can just as accurately be categorised as European. (And that’s before you even get into political inclinations etc). It’s all nonsense.
    
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    May 31, 2024 11:34am
  - ISeeRed
    
    They don’t “make up” 20%. They “identify as”. Which some identify as “made up” .
    
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    May 31, 2024 3:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Rawiri Waititi seems to be locked in the past.
  
  Maori had their own Parliament back in the 1870s.
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/kotahitanga-unity-movements/page-3
  
  Perhaps Rawiri should reflect why it didn’t last.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:40am
  - kevn
    
    Maggy… I’m guessing everyone wanted to be ‘the chief’.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:18am
  - Colinxy
    
    No, he’s locked into the Rousseau-Hegel-Marx romantic belief of the past. He is extremely and wilfully ignorant of Maori history; he is only capable of interpreting history through cognitive dissonance that is similar to how Jean-Jaques Rousseau (etc) made his interpretations and therefore thinking.
    
    He has not demonstrated any capability of being reasoned with. He has “drunk the koolaid” (and I make the reference quite deliberately.)
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:39am
- rouppe
  
  No, Rawiri was quite clear: Maori are 20% of the population so Maori get 20% of the entire tax take – including from whitey.
  
  I wonder why he didn’t say he’ll take 100% of the tax take of those on the Maori roll? That would be fairer, and support his separatist agenda. He could ask Tainui and Ngai Tahu to start paying tax. That’ll be interesting to watch.
  
  I know it isn’t going to happen @kevn but it is very dangerous talk.
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:28am
- Jethrod
  
  They will have a little office off the Legislative Chamber, in preparation for being granted the absolute say in all legislation.
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  May 31, 2024 9:32am
- PurplePen
  
  Friend has written to The Speaker about this asking him to look into whether they have broken their member of parliament oath and whether their actions this week amount to sedition. At the least asked Gerry to provide a verbal response in our House Of Representatives. If it’s the right approach here’s his address if you want it. There is a Speakers Office address also
  
  Gerry.Brownlee@parliament.govt.nz
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:04am
- Biscuit
  
  Steve, and if they refuse to accept the will of the people (via the New Zealand Parliament) the New Zealand Parliament should renege on any future funding of anything Maori.
  
  Let their truckdriver King negotiate directly with the British King…
  
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  May 31, 2024 11:52am
  - julesnzuk
    
    It would be the New Zealand King he negotiates with, not the British one (same bloke, different legal entity).
    
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    May 31, 2024 6:41pm
artemisia

Trump trial. The one with the jury out. US legal commentator Jonathan Turley is calling the trial a “canned hunt.”

I had to look it up. “A canned hunt is a trophy hunt which is not “fair chase”, typically by having game animals kept in a confined area such as in a fenced ranch.”
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May 31, 2024 8:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Done in Afrika for so called game trophy hunters.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:30am
  - kowtow
    
    Here too.
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  Hosking is warming himself to a conviction.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:51am
- jkt
  
  No longer, the verdict is in.
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:33am
Matt Long

Was there a fear in the previous government that they could be caught out if roadside testing went ahead?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/northland-road-safety-advocates-praise-legislation-allowing-roadside-drug-testing-by-end-of-the-year/4CAPREVGQJEZFDX3WVW5FPP6EE/
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May 31, 2024 8:09am
- MCōs
  
  There used to be an American reality program called Cops and among other things the police would do roadside tests of suspicious substances found in the cars they’d stopped
  If they came back positive the offenders were arrested and detained in prison awaiting further tests or whatever
  It made for good TV, but unfortunately half the time the road side tests were wrong . . . . .
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Should have been done years ago. Not driving after drinking alcohol, but they are off their tits on pot, or more likely meth.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:35am
- Loddenthinks
  
  No Matt, that was Hanlon’s Razor at work. They enacted legislation to allow the Police to administer a test, the method and tools of which did not exist. Like so many of their “efforts” their intentions were good but their execution piss-poor.
  
  Hanlon’s Razor? Never ascribe to malice, that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:18am
MCōs

This morning I heard Jordan Williams of the TPU being interviewed by Ingrid Hipkiss
He was unimpressed with the budget and thought spending cuts didn’t go far enough, but wouldn’t specify what he thought should be cut when asked repeatedly
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018940728/taxpayers-union-disappointed-over-budget
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May 31, 2024 8:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Well if so that is disappointing. The TPU should have a comprehensive blueprint. I’ll do one for them for a fixed price of $5000 until they are happy with it. If you are tuning in. 😊
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    TPU will be reading Kiwiblog.
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:36am
  - jkt
    
    Cut, cut and cut … back to pre 2018 levels.
    
    A bit simplistic but their argument has some merit.
    
    We actually ….. deserve better outcomes for NZ society.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:38am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s not Jordan’s job to tell the government where to make cuts, that the government is intending to spend and borrow more than even the irresponsible Robertson forecast in his last budget doesn’t bode well for inflation falling or interest cuts happening any time soon.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:19am
  - MCōs
    
    If Williams doesn’t want to say how the government should save money he shouldn’t say they should save money
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:41am
    - I remember when
      
      Why not?
      
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      May 31, 2024 9:17am
  - PeeJay
    
    Not so sure I’d agree there. TPU are an advocacy group – to be effective, they should have more than ‘the government should do something’ or ‘not do something’ as a pitch. It wouldn’t be that hard to put together a list of things they would like to see cut. They do some good things but this is a bit of a fail on their part.
    
    And before anyone smart Alec responds with a ‘well what would you do’, well there is so much fat in the public sector that this is an easy job to do – you just need balls. There are agencies that provide no benefit whatsoever and would struggle to justify their existence – Ministries like the Ministry for Pacific Peoples, Ministry for Women, Ministry of Maori Development, Ministry for Children for example should all be seriously up for the chop – they provide jobs for the public sector and provide very little, if any, benefit to the supposed targets of these Ministries – ask them to explain what benefit their existence has and the only response would be a word salad.
    
    Then you can move onto the Departmental Agencies, the Crown Agencies before circling back and then looking seriously at each department / ministry and fine tuning their mission / objective.
    
    Really not that hard to provide even a few talking points in response to a ‘what would you cut’. The issue is balls, or the lack thereof.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:08am
    - MCōs
      
      He could have said that’s not up to me to tell you how to run the country
      Except that’s exactly what he has been saying
      Put up or shut up
      
      Q How are the ABs going to win?
      A Well they win their line out, spread the ball & score in the corner
      Q How are they going to their line out?
      A Then they kick the conversion and win by one
      
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      May 31, 2024 10:38am
Chuck Bird

National lied about the cancer drugs. They could have been funded if the politicians turned down their pay rise. Many patients and their families would have voted National on that promise. Many of those needing the drug will not last a year.
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May 31, 2024 8:13am
- Colville
  
  Politician lies.
  I further news it’s been found that water is actually wet!
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:23am
  - MCōs
    
    Tell that to the people forking out five grand a month to stay alive who were told help was at hand if you just vote for us, vote for us, vote for us!
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:58am
  - MCōs
    
    Here’s an example of blatant lying to scratch out a few more votes from some really desperate people
    https://x.com/straydognz/status/1796117478440927273?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
    
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    May 31, 2024 10:26am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      What were the “blatant lies” specifically?
      
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      May 31, 2024 4:12pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Why the downticks? Is lying okay when National does it. Election promises on specific drugs should not be made but when they are the promise should be kept. I will never vote for National with Luxon in charge.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:37am
  - peterwn
    
    I never ask why I am downticked despite sometimes being tempted to do so.
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:45am
    - jkt
      
      The down-ticker should leave a comment.
      It is a cowards veto!
      
      Some comments that are “expletive like” does not deserve further comment.
      
      I will never down-tick you without sharing my opinion.
      
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      May 31, 2024 9:44am
      - Gravelroad
        
        For the benefit of those who might be new(ish) commenters on here there is regular and prolific downticker who, a while back , offered the advice that he/she/they downticked in order to have a record of posts they had read.
        Make of that what you will……….
        
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        May 31, 2024 1:35pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Gravel so a bit like replying “FU” to remind oneself what one has read. Kill two birds with one stone.
        
        Piss people off with pointless downvoting.
        Piss people off with a pathetic excuse.
        
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        May 31, 2024 4:15pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Downticking is a prize, a badge. Wear it knowing you have pissed off a leftie!
      Watch this…..3, 2, 1 >
      
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      May 31, 2024 11:13am
      - Jethrod
        
        None at 1138
        
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        May 31, 2024 11:38am
      - jkt
        
        Steve:
        Though I will give substance to your argument. 13h38.
        
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        May 31, 2024 1:38pm
  - RoboRob
    
    What Peter said 🙂
    
    I have very right wing views but have discoverred that I will get down ticked with any criticism of National or Act. I wish it wasn’t the case but some people are just pure fan boys (for lack of a better description).
    
    I think the budget was a huge missed opportunity and a failure BUT that doesn’t mean I dont think it wasn’t at least 100% better than anything that would have come from the left.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:46am
- RoboRob
  
  The budget was just whimpy. They had an opportunity to do so much more.
  
  The cancer drugs could have been provided, all national needed to do was cut 1yr free Uni entirely. That would have covered the entire cost of the drugs AND left us having to borrow around $750m less per year. One simple change of many available.
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:30am
  - Inandout
    
    RR, and $48 million from the Maori dance teams.
    
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    May 31, 2024 10:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Remember it is not just breast cancer.
    Men die from prostate cancer – I have it low level.
    But all cancer treatments should be funded.
    Here’s something, men can get breast cancer.
    
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    May 31, 2024 11:17am
    - G152
      
      How the hell did this get downticked????
      Any animal with breast tissue can and do get breast cancer
      
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      May 31, 2024 12:22pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  They campaigned with promises based on the Prefu.
  The Prefu was audited as correct.
  The Prefu was a giant lie and was fundamentally overstated.
  Stuff had to get cut/delayed to balance the budget and unfortunately those cancer drugs were what had to go. Given the degree of dishonesty that Robertson committed in the Prefu I’m impressed that was the only thing cut.
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:38am
  - RoboRob
    
    All you say is true BUT they could have afforded the drugs and kept their promise. There are / were many obvious savings not realised in the budget that could have more then covered the cost of the drugs i.e. removing 1 year fee free uni, removing the yearly kiwisaver top up, closing a number of useless government agencies, removing funding for RNZ, selling TVNZ (not much money here though), EV charging network rollout etc
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:49am
    - artemisia
      
      National said last year cancer drugs will be funded from cancelling many free prescriptions. Once that kicks in in a month good chance the funding for the promised drugs will start to flow.
      
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      May 31, 2024 4:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Missed this yesterday afternoon. Busy giving my Desktop Com some new innards.

Stop Co Governance. Julian Batchelor.

How Young Maori Are Being Radicalised (part 2)

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/how-young-maori-are-being-radicalised-part-2/

Nonsense from the public gallery, the Maori Party and Greens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1XQ2OJxwvE
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May 31, 2024 8:13am
- Yvette
  
  Towards a Māori Nation – Hei whakatinanatia te kotahitanga
  https://www.huitaumata.co.nz/_files/ugd/a0663d_d18fefd36192409a839d98eeb10b4171.pdf
  
  This, bluntly, will not appeal much to the average New Zealanders
  But radicalised incited young Maori may be the pointy bit
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:40am
Matt Long

Yesterday Auckland Council had protected dangerous tree that fell on a house, today they’re standing up for dangerous placement advertising, I’m going to take a wild stab, and guess that if anyone’s harmed by this the council will accept zero responsibility and liability.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350292035/auckland-driver-claims-putting-revenue-ahead-childrens-safety
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May 31, 2024 8:15am
- I remember when
  
  Finally some success with “Net Zero.”
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:04am
Benedict Yu

Why did Nicola Willis bother giving Tova O’brien an interview on the Budget? You get this headline.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350296372/correction-nicola-willis-was-forced-make-over-her-tax-cuts

A mistake she made in an answer, which was quickly corrected, before the article went to press. So the article even reports on the correction. 🤡

There is nothing serious in the article. It is like a child playing games. “We had sushi for lunch”. 🤡

How did this person get a job as a “senior political journalist”? I see much better journalism in give away local newspapers.
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May 31, 2024 8:17am
- Gravelroad
  
  She got the job because she was seen as a reliable supporter and enabler of the previous government, their people and policies.
  It has nothing to do with journalism or newspaper reporting.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Leftover Labour sycophant.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:45am
Maggie Pie

Here’s something I never knew till a friend tweeted this morning.

You couldn’t make this sh*t up…..
Turns out ‘LGBTQIAPK PRIDE MONTH’ coincides
with Tourettes-Awareness-Month

Coincidence?
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May 31, 2024 8:19am
- Yvette
  
  The Pope knew that
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:41am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:45am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, this reminds me of the ‘Not Going Out’ episode where Lucy had to pretend she had Tourettes with the expected swearing outbursts.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:43am
kowtow

From ‘Full and Final ‘ to Race Based Parliament .

Give an inch take a mile.

Wedesperately need one standard of citizenship with equality before the law.

No more exceptionalism.
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May 31, 2024 8:24am
- cmm
  
  That is not going to happen until at least the Maori roll is done away with. But as I have said before, nobody has done that for over 140 years. They won’t do so now.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:56am
- I remember when
  
  Perhaps they should look at Fiji.
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:01am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Apparently the offered benefit of having appointed racial/tribal leadership of the country is non-Maori “treaty partners” will be able to be “safe”. As opposed to what?
  
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  May 31, 2024 4:22pm
G152

Amused at chippies rant in reply to the Budget.
Everything was wrong blah blah.
Yet he did nothing to ‘fix’ the obvious ‘discrepancies’ he ‘found’ when he had the reins.
Could it be he lies ??????????
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May 31, 2024 8:31am
- peterwn
  
  Par for the course. Name an Opposition Leader who has ever praised a Budget.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:49am
- Flossie
  
  No!! Surely he doesn’t?!
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:51am
- Gravelroad
  
  Mr Hipkins is yesterday’s man.
  He is struggling to be seen as still politically relevant.
  His, and his party’s, nursing along of the Green and Maori parties is impacting his power to be influential.
  Could he (even if he wanted to) be successful in toning down the hysteria and dishonesty being displayed daily by his political allies?
  No. That waka has sailed.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:53am
- cmm
  
  Just a three year old having a ginger moment in the lolly isle.
  
  Don’t expect any sense.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:54am
- John Loveridge
  
  I guess that’s his job as Opposition leader. But I do wonder how effectively his team would have fixed all the problems if they had been given, let’s say, the last six years to have a crack at it.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:11am
- Bobba Fret
  
  He was a major player in the last government and everything they touched ended up worse. Hipkins needs to be reminded by the media that he had six years to fix everything and didn’t. Why didn’t he do these things when in government.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:52am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Stock answer to your question is:
    Coooooviiiiiiddddddd.
    Gave them a free pass to print money and spend it at will.
    
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    May 31, 2024 1:39pm
I remember when

Iwi calls for permits process overhaul: Northern Taranaki Midweek.
Ngati Ruanui Taiao Officer Graham Young said the block offer was “dead as a mechanism.”
It’s too broadbrush, we would rather be an active partner with the crown, and prospector, when bespoke offers come forward.
We can then look site by site, or area by area.
Shane Jones cited Gas Industry Company figures of a 12.5% reduction in 2023 and a 27.8% reduction for the first three months 2024.
Genesis Energy, Huntly coal and gas-fired power station, stated it would resume importing coal, with gas supplies being down a third on a year ago, hydro-lake inflow 13% lower, and solar and wind power were intermittent.
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May 31, 2024 8:42am
Chuck Bird

“There is no need for the Government to be involved in EV charging. So long as they remove regulatory barriers, there is plenty of financial incentive for private companies to build and operate EV charging infrastructure. Again, this will have no environmental benefit.

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/down_the_drain_for_no_climate_benefit
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May 31, 2024 8:49am
Maggie Pie

The jury is in.
Praying for President Trump.
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May 31, 2024 8:49am
- cmm
  
  Whatever they say, the outcome will be the same: appeals, more charges,etc.
  
  Anyone who thinks this is over is not seeing the full picture.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Even though the Court rulings of Trump must be there, and the gag order; it is all bringing him more votes.
    I just want to see him back on the campaign trail. The rallies, the boat rallies, the flags and stuff.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:11am
    - MCōs
      
      The real President should pardon him
      I pardon you in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost
      
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      May 31, 2024 9:54am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The process is the punishment – having a fatally flawed conviction on the books is all the Democrats (and their cats-paw judge Merchan) wanted out of this farce in order to sway the November vote, they don’t care that it will be voided on appeal because that process takes years and this enables them to nobble Trump during the campaign and election in 5 months – unless the Supreme Court intercedes more rapidly due to the stakes of the situation.
    
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    May 31, 2024 2:47pm
- MCōs
  
  Well he’s guilty from top to bottom
  Mr Trump has called the verdict a disgrace.
  What does his wife have to say?
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:30am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    It was one charge, repeated 33 times. It was literally impossible for him to be found anything other than innocent or guilty of all 34 charges.
    They never even explained what the bookkeeping charges were other than the fact he put paying an NDA as legal fees.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:44am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Wouldn’t she be fully aware of his predilections?
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:49am
    - Inandout
      
      Wayne, just as Jackie Kennedy was fully aware of JK’s frequent affairs.
      
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      May 31, 2024 10:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nah, you mean slick Willie! His wife knows how to silence things.
        
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        May 31, 2024 11:36am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Did you sacrifice a goat?
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:51am
cmm

I see South Africa’s election results seem to be panning out pretty much as the pundits predicted.
The ANC is around 43%, with the MK party (a break-away from the ANC) on 10%. So together they’re able to make a coalition at this point.

Voter turn out 58%. Pretty low for such a pivotal election. This pretty much indicates that ANC voters rather didn’t vote than vote for someone else.
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May 31, 2024 8:49am
- PeeJay
  
  Will be interesting to see how the ANC react.
  
  If the results hold, and quite possible that they will stay the same at the final count, then the various factions in the ANC are going to have a full-on fight over the coalition choice. EFF means a significant leftward shift with some scary policies in there (“….not calling for the slaughtering of white poeple…..at least for now” – and yes, an actual quote from their leader) – even the ANC think some of the EFF policy is too much…..at least for now. MK, which is effectively Zuma and co, has some serious bad blood with Ramaphosa and might want his head as a price of a coalition. Unlikely, but not impossible, the ANC could even choose to go with the DA.
  
  Suspect that Ramaphosa’s only chance of remaining as President is a coalition with the DA.
  
  Will be very interesting to see how this pans out.
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:25am
  - jkt
    
    The problem is that it is not up to Ramaphosa.
    But you are right. This is going to be interesting.
    
    If the turnout is indeed less than 60% there are at least 25% of voters that will shift from ANC and those who choose not to vote this time who will punish the ANC at the next election.
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:57am
    - cmm
      
      I have seen many say that the MK is primarily picking up those disaffected ANC voters that would have otherwise not voted – rather than actually stealing votes off the ANC.
      
      I don’t have any special insights, but I would expect that is happening.
      
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      May 31, 2024 11:12am
      - jkt
        
        I would say that is probably correct.
        Even the IFP seems to be growing their support.
        
        Will the ANC negotiate with Zuma to form a government?
        
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        May 31, 2024 1:50pm
      - cmm
        
        IFP has been losing support over time and with Buthelezi’s death last year it seems to be losing more support.
        
        Will ANC negotiate with Zuma? Of course! They want to be in power to keep the corruption flowing.
        They have a choice of going with Zuma (a known quantity) or Malema.
        
        Remember that Ramaphosa was deputy president under Zuma. They understand each other.
        
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        May 31, 2024 3:55pm
      - jkt
        
        My theory is that those who disliked the Ramaphosa faction decided to give their support to MK. The ANC also leaked voters to EFF, DA and IFP and a large constituent to the disengaged.
        
        They will only return to the ANC fold if they have something to gain, like following a new populist leader.
        
        If Ramaphosa makes a deal with MK to form a government many traditional ANC supporters will join smaller parties.
        
        The Zulu and many others, especially Europeans and South African Indians, see them as the “superior tribe”.
        
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        June 1, 2024 9:41am
  - cmm
    
    The MK only split from the core-ANC earlier this year/last year therefore I think they can come together quite easily.
    
    The ANC has always been factionalised, but have acted together in their common interest of troughing. The ANC-MK split is really just those factions splitting.
    
    In some ways it could even be a fake split – a way of soaking up disaffected voters who are tired of ANC incompetence.
    
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    May 31, 2024 10:05am
    - jkt
      
      KZN’ers (the last outpost) are and behave like those who live in Gisborne, from what friends who lived in Gisborne tell me and by my own recollection.
      
      I spent most of my primary school years in Empangeni and loved visiting the area during holidays.
      
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      May 31, 2024 2:07pm
      - cmm
        
        I have never been to Gizzy, but I know what you mean.
        
        I grew up in the rural areas outside Pietermaritzburg.
        
        The whites in KZN, especially inland, have a special connection with Zulus and feel proud of “their Zulus” and “their Zuma” and feel some pride in the Zulus being a superior nation.
        
        Unlike other whites in SA, inland KZN whites very much understood that the Zulus were the top of the pile. We all learned to speak Zulu when I was a kid. In fact some whites on farms only learned to speak English when they went to school.
        
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        May 31, 2024 4:05pm
      - jkt
        
        Suka wena!
        
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        May 31, 2024 6:21pm
- jkt
  
  Many traditional ANC supporters are very disillusioned. I am one of those. I voted three times for the ANC. The third time I voted with my feet!👣
  
  If the ANC joins up with EFF and/or MK to form a government the ANC will be tickets at the next election!
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:51am
  - cmm
    
    Interesting…
    
    Would you consider yourself a Ramaphosa supporter over an ANC supporter? Or ANC over Ramaphosa?
    If you voted 3 times for ANC then you would have voted for them during the Zuma era.
    Zuma’s support in KZN seems to primary be due to him being a Zulu rather than anything else. Even many whites in KZN who are not ANC supporters talk about him in a positive way “our Zuma” etc (meaning that he’s from KZN).
    
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    May 31, 2024 11:16am
    - jkt
      
      Nope.
      1. 1994. Mandela and Reconstruction and Development.
      2. 1999. Desperation.
      3. 👣
      
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      May 31, 2024 1:58pm
judith8409121

happy vaccine scepticism day
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/05/29/happy-international-vaccine-scepticism-day/
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May 31, 2024 8:50am
- jkt
  
  Rolling out a new vaccine every three months tells a story……
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:59am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    World’s most effective vaccines? /
    
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    May 31, 2024 4:25pm
I remember when

“Fast forestry: Bioenergy production could transform Northland’s economy:” NZH.
Short rotation forestry for bioenergy could transform Northland’s economy and lower fossil fuel dependency, new research shows.
SRF is a forestry practice that involves growing and harvesting trees in a short rotation cycle, which according to Scion’s modelling, would ideally be between 12 and 18 years for the production of wood biomass.
Considerably shorter than the conventional harvesting cycle.
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May 31, 2024 8:55am
- rouppe
  
  Do you have any idea of how much forestry would be required to have 18 years of continuous supply of wood for biomass generators that can supply a statistically significant amount of energy?
  
  Plus it would take 19 years to come on stream.
  Plus storage of at least 1 years worth of biomass so that it dries properly. Plus the emissions burning wood produces. Plus ash disposal.
  
  Watch “Planet of the Humans” on YouTube for a real example of biomass.
  
  Nuclear. Comes on stream more quickly. Produces more power. Rocketlab could shoot the waste at someone else’s sun.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:14am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Been tried in the UK on a massive scale and has been found to be net silly.
  
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  May 31, 2024 4:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump. Judge says he would accept a 4-4-4 verdict as unanimous. Meaning 4 could agree on 1 of the 34 felonies, 4 on another 1 of the 34, and 4 on another of the 34.
They are now back in Court, Alvin Bragg is there.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/30/nyregion/trump-trial-verdic
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May 31, 2024 8:58am
- Yabster
  
  Guilty on all counts- USA is such a mess.
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:28am
- Libertarians are right
  
  No. The 34 felonies relate to the separate invoices, payments and related book entries to pay the one NDA payment Cohen made.
  
  The 3 “felonies” were for the “crime” that Trump was covering up. They were what allowed Bragg to bring the misdemenor charges up. As long as the jury agreed that Trump covered a crime it wasn’t relevant which crime he covered up – as per New York law.
  
  Federal precedent overthrows that but there’s a whole lot of appeals before it gets there.
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:48am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Steve,
  
  Do you actually believe a lot of what you post?
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:51am
  - jkt
    
    Wayne:
    Steve is an astute political commentator.
    Ignore his predictions at your peril. Ha, ha..
    
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    May 31, 2024 10:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That would be true. Last year there was a guy on here calling himself “Batman”
      He was also a moderator I think. Anyway he said he was making a list of all Trump supporters on here so he could give them a good reminder when Trump loses.
      Batman is not around now……..
      
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      May 31, 2024 11:48am
      - jkt
        
        Batman was right ….. Trump seems to be making loosing a bit of a habit!
        
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        May 31, 2024 2:10pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Trump is a serious threat to far left aspirations. Hence all the shit thrown at him by the far left establishment.
        
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        May 31, 2024 4:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I share stuff that comes by email. That last one has disappeared.
    
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    May 31, 2024 11:45am
peterwn

The four main electricity gentailers have just announced to the Stock Exchange that they have reached various agreements for the supply of electricity to the Tiwai smelter indicating that NZAS has decided to stay in for the long haul. Until now, Meridian has been the sole supplier and had an agreement with Contact to spread the risk. That agreement will not be renewed with NZAS completing an agreement with Contact directly.
This is a win-win all around and will now give more certainty to the generators when they make decisions to invest in new generation and to Transpower in planning grid extensions and reinforcements.
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May 31, 2024 9:04am
- jkt
  
  Let’s just hope that ComCom keeps their snotty fingers out off this pie.
  
  I can imagine this will encourage NZAS to invest in generating electricity.
  
  It will be interesting to follow this story.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:08am
- Handyman
  
  The PR was all about using renewable energy, but the cheap stable electricity comes from nearby hydro.
  The deal is good for Meridan because Tiwai will be first to be sacrificed when renewables are not available, avoiding embarrassing blackouts.
  Over the 20yr life of the contract gas generation will decline (increasing dependence on intermittent generation) so power companies will come to depend on this crutch more and more and more. Additionally, the ETS pricing mechanism will tempt power companies to turn off Tiwai rather than use coal to meet consumer demand.
  
  The overall impact is to reduce Aluminium efficiency and total production thus reducing export income for New Zealand.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:59am
  - peterwn
    
    The Tiwai load has always been an ‘interruptable’ load. For example if there is serious system event causing underfrequency the smelter operator will reduce or disconnect the potlines. This is highly inconvenient and has some cost but is tolerable as long as supply can be restored before the aluminium solidifies in the pots. The smelter operator would rather do this if it avoids a system collapse which would have major consequences for the smelter. The Transpower system operator recognises this sort of situation and will get power back to the smelter as quickly as reasonably possible.
    There is nothing wrong with using the smelter to help with ‘demand side management’ where mutually beneficial agreements exist. If the issue is peak load or system problems the smelter reducing consumption would be covered in the agreements and would would have been a win-win for the smelter and retailers. If the issue is an energy shortage, the agreements allow ease backs. Admittedly it means some lost production but that has to be accepted. The gentailers welcome a firm long term commitment from the smelter for most of its power needs, it gives the gentailers confidence to invest in further generation.
    The Electricity Authority were given a sharp lesson by Genesis not to interfere in the market several years ago. While the Commerce Commission could be tempted to interfere, this could stifle investment in new generation and means that investment risk is transferred from the gentailers (where it belongs) to the Government (especially a centre-right government) that does not want to carry the risk. There is a huge risk of this happening if any reforms are attempted which try to split retail from generation.
    
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    May 31, 2024 11:58am
    - jkt
      
      Like a back up battery.
      Nice.
      
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      May 31, 2024 2:15pm
  - jkt
    
    If you did not use “The overall impact” ……
    I would have downticked.
    So I reluctantly give you an uptick.
    
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    May 31, 2024 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

The Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters calls out
President of Te Pati Maoori for the hypocrite he is….

https://x.com/winstonpeters/status/1796043095127347636
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May 31, 2024 9:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  John Tamihere finally realised he wasn’t going any further with Labour…. He found a different ca$h cow.
  
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  May 31, 2024 9:20am
  - WaynelSexton
    
    That cash cow being China allegedly?
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/john-tamihere-china-has-every-right-to-korero-with-our-pacific-brothers-and-sisters-and-not-be-sneered-at/EWZL2SOJ2YPWVNZTRMNGPB6KTM/0
    
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    May 31, 2024 9:34am
- cmm
  
  This little bit of professional wrestling between Winnie and TPM is mutually beneficial:
  * Winston’s support base will feel they’re winning and Winston is showing them. This is enhancing Winston’s support.
  * TPM is getting more oxygen, more legitimacy and more support too.
  
  It’s a win-win for them both.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:09am
imalwaysright

Apparently Joe Biden met Jill when she was 15 and was babysitter for his two kids.
Married her ten years later after his wife died of cancer.
She must have had nice smelling hair.
It didn’t happen overnight , but it did happen!
https://youtu.be/Y3KAQCA3osw?si=kEo89uygbE2qbmEk
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May 31, 2024 9:12am
- jkt
  
  And your point is…. 1. Trump was convicted?
  2. Biden has good taste?
  3. Trump has better taste?
  
  …… whatever.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:10am
- peterwn
  
  So?
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:48am
- imalwaysright
  
  Classy guy.
  
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  May 31, 2024 1:19pm
  - jkt
    
    You do not know that!
    He may very well not be a classy guy.
    
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    May 31, 2024 2:22pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I was being sarcastic.
      
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      May 31, 2024 5:45pm
- julesnzuk
  
  His wife died in a car accident.
  
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  May 31, 2024 6:48pm
greenfinger

The budget reaction from the opposition was hilarious. Can they even recite their times tables?
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May 31, 2024 9:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Opposition use variable arithmetic with a roving decimal point.
  
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  May 31, 2024 11:58am
bjools

Good news.
That industry that would not be impacted by the “Captains Call” to ban oil and gas exploration.
Seems to be coming back.
Last week, before the budget, I was contacted by a company that supplies services to the exploration industry. They are looking for a machine that can help them.
ie THIS Govt. is already having an impact on our economy.
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May 31, 2024 9:14am
PurplePen

I’ve noticed RNZ has had full page ad promoting themselves in the paper the last month. Didn’t occur to me immediately, but I don’t ever recall them advertising. Presume they’re feeling the drop in listeners. Not until they drop the manglish and biased reporting and interviews will I be back.
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May 31, 2024 9:14am
Yvette

Donald Trump was found guilty of all 34 counts in his Manhattan trial, making him the first former president to become a felon.
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May 31, 2024 9:15am
- peterwn
  
  Trump will not be allowed to visit Canada, Australia, etc.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:50am
- Inandout
  
  Yv, a convicted felon to be exact. Other former Presidents apparently dodged that bullet.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:50am
- NothingLeft
  
  Found guilty on 34 counts of ‘orange man bad’ in farcical kafkaesque show-trial as US politics drop into the swamp of partisan lawfare.
  
  I dislike Trump, an un-serious un-focused blowhard and bullshitter who I cringe at listening to (though he didn’t do a terrible job on policy as president). But this is a sad day. The rule of law in USA has succumbed to corrupt partisan politics, with egregious lawbreaking by Deep-State/Democrats ignored (Biden, Clinton pay-for-play and dead-to-rights classified documents law-breaking given a free pass amongst other issues) while literally Trumped up nonsense charges against deep state opponent Trump results in kangaroo court convictions (E Jean Carol fantasy rape accusation, property valuation ‘fraud’ and now this) in hyper partisan New York.
  
  There will be a nasty reaction and escalation of partisan division by a near-majority of USAians that will do a lot of long-term damage to USA. Trump may actually rise in polls after this driven by popular revulsion to inequitable abuse of justice system.
  
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  May 31, 2024 11:49am
Maggie Pie

And then there’s this from Winnie 😀

Michael Wood makes a complete COCK of himself once again….
Couldn’t tell the difference between ‘page number’ and $$$

https://x.com/winstonpeters/status/1796054466610724904

No wonder he never knew how many shares he had. LOL!!!
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May 31, 2024 9:24am
Chuck Bird

The government have found a spare million to fund Hamas through the UN.
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May 31, 2024 9:50am
MCōs

“All non-New Zealander citizens applying for a visa to come to New Zealand must be of good character. People with criminal convictions or who have provided false or misleading information in a previous visa application will generally not be granted a visa unless a character waiver is granted.”
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/media-centre/common-topics/criminal-convictions#:~:text=All%20non%2DNew%20Zealander%20citizens,a%20character%20waiver%20is%20granted.
Looks like we dodged a bullet
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May 31, 2024 10:06am
MCōs

“Florida law deprives convicted felons of certain Civil Rights including the right to vote . . . . “
https://www.flmp.uscourts.gov/felony-offenders
Does that mean Trump will be locked up for five years if he attempts to vote for himself.
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May 31, 2024 10:19am
- peterwn
  
  Secret Service to Prison Warden – we have come to protect the President.
  Warden – No worries. He is quite safe. We have put him in Supermax. No one will get him here.
  
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  May 31, 2024 12:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jesus! Firearms. Does that mean Trump has to hand in his guns and his CC Permit?
  
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  May 31, 2024 12:03pm
graham

The Maori Party will be furious at this news. They were counting on their children’s make-believe “Maori Parliament” being the top news all around New Zealand, but now they’ve been trumped (so to speak).
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May 31, 2024 10:31am
Maggie Pie

Had to larf….

Just got a txt from my partner’s mum. She slept in this morning. Said the entire Village partied late into the nite celebrating the xtra 2 bucks a week on the Super. Would have been happy to forgo it if it ment others could get their cancer drugs. LOL!!
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May 31, 2024 10:41am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, encourage them to tap into the kapa haka funding. They have money, lots of money.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:53am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Nearly 50 million over 3 years!!
    Nothing for us Pole Dancers 😛
    
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    May 31, 2024 11:09am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I thought pole dancing was more Henderson than Remmers!
      
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      May 31, 2024 4:44pm
- cmm
  
  I hope you reminded her to not spend it all in one shop.
  
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  May 31, 2024 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do the Rest Home take a cut. I supposedly get about $9 a fortnight or $4.50 a week.
  Maybe it is $9 less Tax?
  
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  May 31, 2024 12:07pm
  - MCōs
    
    Check again
    
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    May 31, 2024 12:29pm
- Gravelroad
  
  How about forgoing the $2 and giving it to the Labour Party instead.
  The Labour Party has just issued a begging letter to its followers asking them to donate their tax cut money so they can fund the next general election campaign.
  Pretty rich coming from the socialists who have been completely against any tax cuts at all.
  Hypocrites every one of them.
  
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  May 31, 2024 1:15pm
Chuck Bird

ACT Party Leader knocks back ‘race-fanaticism’ from Māori Party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkIsu0FVa7A
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May 31, 2024 11:05am
cmm

I’m not so sure I agree with the assessments about Tiwai Point getting a 20 year extention.

Aluminium smelting requires massive amounts of electricity and, essentially exports energy. The smelting operations will go wherever they can get cheap electricity for a long period.

Jobs: well there are 700 of them, but committing 580MW of electricity to secure 700 jobs is iffy. Electricity is a scarce resource – becoming more scarce – and we need to look at using it wisely. Expending nearly 1MW per job does not seem that good a deal for our economy.

“Barclay said the smelter life extension deal removed uncertainty for the electricity sector and helped pave the way for new renewable energy plants to be built.”

I will be interested to know how. Large non-discretionary loads (like aluminium smelters) are inconsistent with the unreliability of most renewables. Smelter pots can’t be turned off when the sun doesn’t shine or the wind does not blow.

The aluminium smelters will be getting guaranteed reliable supply – taking the cream off the top.

As we move more towards renewables and the electricity supply becomes more constrained and patchy, it is going to be the rest of industry and domestic users that will have to put up with power interruptions.

If they really want reliable supply then it is time to start digging up the Southland lignite. There is enough there to reliably supply all NZ’s energy demands for many hundred years.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/meridian-tiwais-nzas-sign-power-20-year-supply-agreement/EGAQYNR2KVEZJIR367IOWEO55A/
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May 31, 2024 11:31am
- jkt
  
  If we have localised surplus energy and peak load shedding is available at Tiwai one can leverage off demand management.
  
  Like a big battery.
  
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  May 31, 2024 2:31pm
- MCōs
  
  The alternative is to cut Tiwai adrift and plug Manapouri into the national grid where most of the time the power isn’t needed anyway because apart from a few hours here and there there is plenty of generation capacity already
  For now
  The problem with electricity is it can’t be stored and even if there is a massive increase of electric vehicles things can be manipulated so they are charged at off peak times as much as possible as hot water is now
  
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  May 31, 2024 4:02pm
  - peterwn
    
    Electricity can be stored at little to high cost. Hydro stations provide storage and there is sufficient at present to ‘buffer’ solar and wind power. There is little cost with this as the storage already exists. Higher cost ways of storing electricity are batteries, storing fuel (ie coal for Huntly) or pumped storage hydro such as the shelved Lake Onslow scheme. Problem with Lake Onslow was it would have been of far higher capacity and hence cost than would have been utilised for many years. But then Labour had no compunction about high cost projects as Labour assumed money grew on trees. National’s Nicola is far more savvy about such issues.
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:28pm
- Taieri
  
  Jobs: well there are 700 of them, but committing 580MW of electricity to secure 700 jobs is iffy.
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  The 700 direct (and well paid) jobs at the smelter support several thousand other jobs: contractors, suppliers, services and so on.
  
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  May 31, 2024 5:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Whistleblower spills the beans.
CIA steps in to stop investigation into Hunter Biden.

https://quicknewsupdates.com/cia-caught-red-handed-whistleblower-steps-forward-and-spills-the-beans/?
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May 31, 2024 12:14pm
- Jethrod
  
  Why would the CIA be involved with Biden Junior. The CIA’s view is meant to be on things that happen out of the US, while the FBI is the crowd who deals with internal happenings.
  
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  May 31, 2024 4:45pm
  - peterwn
    
    Scope creep.
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:29pm
Peter Holt

Commented this last night, but it was late:

Did anybody have an ACT volunteer knock on their door last night?

Good to see them out promoting the budget.
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May 31, 2024 12:35pm
Maggie Pie

Tucker Carlson is saying…. “the only thing that will stop Trumpy becoming President
is if someone kills him”.

And going by all the tweets he’s getting in support, I’d say the left have totally misread what the outcome of this sham trial will be….

https://x.com/Akademiks/status/1796292075576607093
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May 31, 2024 12:36pm
Keith White

For Benedict Yu:

Latest UK government figures confirm vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age. And have been for six months. This may seem unbelievable or impossible or confabulated, but it’s correct and 100% based on weekly data from the British government.
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May 31, 2024 1:20pm
- Handyman
  
  Could you post the link please.
  
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  May 31, 2024 1:47pm
  - Keith White
    
    Handyman: Sorry no link – I did the chart myself.
    
    cmm: yes correlation is not causation but in the absence of any other cause that can be linked to the result, then I’m going with the sole identifiable cause.
    
    And – closer to home NZ health authorities say and keep saying there is no link between the Jab and excess deaths, but provide no other reason for the excess deaths.
    
    Am I going to believe them, or my lying eyes? /sarc.
    
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    May 31, 2024 3:16pm
    - MCōs
      
      “Sorry no link – I did the chart myself”
      
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      May 31, 2024 3:47pm
- cmm
  
  Keith, I am in no way a vax supporter (I am unvaxxed myself), but there is a problem with drawing conclusions from these sorts of statistics.
  
  The problem is that you have self-selecting populations. Therefore there might not be a causal link.
  
  An example I like to use is that KFC-eaters are more likely to have cars that fail WOF. If we jump to conclusions we might assume that somehow KFC fumes cause cars to degrade faster or something. Of course it is something different – KFC eaters tend to be from lower socio-economic backgrounds (I don’t know why – it’s bloody expensive) and they tend to drive older cars.
  
  When we see statistics like these, they raise a flag, that there might be something interesting going on. There very well could be, but it needs more investigation than just finding a correlatoion.
  
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  May 31, 2024 1:51pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    KFC output is the control knob for the number of shitty cars on the road! The science is settled!
    
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    May 31, 2024 4:46pm
    - kowtow
      
      KFC drivers and passengers are fat bastards and put ( like ev batteries) huge pressure on tyres , brakes and springs and therefor fail wof at relatively much higher rates , if and when they bother to go for warrants.
      
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      May 31, 2024 7:14pm
- peterwn
  
  Perhaps those who choose to be vaccinated have more than average health issues and wish to protect themselves against ‘flu, Covid etc which could complicate existing conditions. In such cases, people are more likely to die prematurely from existing health issues. So saying vaccinations contributed to such deaths is a false correlation.
  
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  May 31, 2024 8:37pm
cmm

I was looking at some South African voting stats and realise I was missing something…

So far voter turn out has been around 58% of registered voters. Not very high.

But only around 65% are actually registered (27 out of an eligible 42 million – the rest of the 60+ million population are kids and foreigners).

So the real voter participation rate (ie people who vote out of those that are eligible to vote) is only around 37% – just a bit over a third.

It makes you wonder why all the fuss over one man, one vote if you’re not going to bother exercising that vote.
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May 31, 2024 1:21pm
mandk

Seriously?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350297175/labour-asks-supporters-hand-over-tax-cuts-fund-election-bid

“Yes comrades, we didn’t want the tax cuts, but please consider the party and hand over the money you get to us.”

It’s almost worth joining Labour (temporarily) to have the pleas ure of telling Hipkins directly to whuk owh (as it is written in Maori).
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May 31, 2024 1:48pm
- cmm
  
  Fair enough. It is all money Robbo and Cindy printed.
  
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  May 31, 2024 1:53pm
- greybeard
  
  Unbelievable, aren’t they !
  Thank God I am not related to Hipkins, or his next door neighbour !
  
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  May 31, 2024 2:36pm
- greybeard
  
  It is very telling that this article on Stuff does not allow for comments !
  
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  May 31, 2024 5:37pm
  - peterwn
    
    Do you really think that Tova and co would allow readers to undermine her and Stuff’s positions?
    
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    May 31, 2024 8:39pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Nasty washed up CNN host Don Lemon chimes in on Trump verdict….

https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1796367442178191373
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May 31, 2024 2:37pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Donnie boy is pretty out there. Hard to understand why anyone takes him seriously.
  
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  May 31, 2024 4:48pm
Maggie Pie

And see where they’re saying the Police are now investigating that highly inflamatory vid put out by Rawiri’s wife.

Be a waste of time and resources if you ask me.
Like they’d do anything about it anyway.
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May 31, 2024 7:19pm
Scooter

Go Winston, Shanan Halbert got shamed!

https://x.com/2ETEKA/status/1796442983908487367?t=LzvVK5IeBCjHT1XbNOjFOg&s=19
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