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Rich Prick

The racists are out making life difficult for the rest of us this morning. That’s not how you win hearts and minds.
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May 30, 2024 8:02am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Described as….. ‘A PUBLIC EVENT’
  
  https://twitter.com/nztaaklnth/status/1795899649728864739
  
  Cuddles has even provided a Police Escort!
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That traffic is slow moving for one reason. As you said, the Police escort provided by Cuddles.
    
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    May 30, 2024 8:19am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Police Maori Events Management Division.
      
      Always fully funded and fully staffed.
      Pesky public a problem?
      Not when you ring us!
      No job too big or too small.
      Tel: 0800 Cuddles
      
      Remember, no charge and no charges!
      
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      May 30, 2024 8:27am
      - greenfinger
        
        Those bennies clearly have too much time on hand while the rest of us are battling hard everyday just to put food on table. Adrian Orr should hang his head in shame for his overzealous money printing a few years ago. Hipkins, Robertson and Ardern will go down in history as the worst group of leaders that NZ ever had.
        
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        May 30, 2024 9:50am
      - ISeeRed
        
        @greenfinger Not any history written by your typical leftie historian in Aotearoa.
        
        It amuses me some think the previous horrific Labour government will get their comeuppance one day. Already back up to 30% in the polls.
        
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        May 30, 2024 3:14pm
  - Countrygirl
    
    This is when you realise just how helpless the police are. Imagine how many people they would have to pull over, process, then get court time. Pretty much impossible. I doubt fines would be paid if issued. All they can do is watch. I think a few big trucks with bull bars would be more effective.
    
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    May 30, 2024 8:20am
  - cmm
    
    And the media is bending over backwards to help organise it.
    
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    May 30, 2024 8:28am
    - jkt
      
      Let them speak!
      
      If one does not allow fools to speak, how will one know they are fools?
      
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      May 30, 2024 8:37am
      - Jethrod
        
        Yes thats right.
        Be silent and be thought a fool, speak out and remove all doubt.
        
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        May 30, 2024 10:31am
    - Scooter
      
      And media listed all the places where you can join the protest. I’m surprised they didn’t hire buses to ferry people there.
      
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      May 30, 2024 8:04pm
  - Terry Dalee
    
    So if it was the Klu Klux Klan or some other Ultra-right wing nationalist holding a “a public event”, would they get provided full Police escort and cuddles?
    
    We all know the answer to this hypocrisy….
    
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    May 30, 2024 9:13am
    - MCōs
      
      What about the likes of Destiny Church or Groundswell?
      I used to work in the vicinity of parliament and there were frequent marches, big and small (they all knew how to look big on tv), in support of some causes or other at lunchtime preceded by police cars with flashing lights.
      
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      May 30, 2024 10:01am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Lambton Quay is hardly a motorway full of traffic going somewhere at Lunch time…..So its not an equivalent example Cossie.
        
        And yes I have worked in and around the Welly CBD a lot, so I know….
        
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        May 30, 2024 12:14pm
- CJames
  
  They don’t want to win hearts and minds. They just want to reward their tiny activist base as showing they are doing something. And they are supported by the mindless useful idiots, particularly in the media.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They want one thing and they got it.
    TV coverage,
    
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    May 30, 2024 8:27am
    - Tricati
      
      Yep – and the MSM are only to happy to oblige.
      
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      May 30, 2024 8:34am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        and that’s great, because everyone I know is rightly pissed at them, and this will only make it worse.
        
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        May 30, 2024 9:09am
    - Colville
      
      Oh no Steve.
      They want TV coverage AND violence.
      
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      May 30, 2024 9:26am
- Gravelroad
  
  Don’t think they are too bothered about winning hearts and minds.
  It is all about grievance, the power that other people’s money generates and the determination to spin everything as anti Maori and anti the ToW.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:12am
- cmm
  
  It’s not to win hearts and minds. It is to exert and display power.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:13am
  - artemisia
    
    Not a coincidence this is Budget 2024 day. This government is looking hard at race based funding. Follow the money.
    
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    May 30, 2024 8:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The other dat Luxon said something like it will be a good Budget for Maori.
      I called him out. Why for Maori but not New Zealanders?
      There is the problem.
      
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      May 30, 2024 8:33am
      - jkt
        
        What is good for NZ’ers is good for Maori!
        What is good for Maori is good for NZ’ers!
        Right?
        
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        May 30, 2024 8:41am
      - RoboRob
        
        Thats my biggest issue with the whole Maori party. If the govt does things that are good for all NZers that includes Maori. The who, we need better x and y for Maori is just so backwards.
        
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        May 30, 2024 9:26am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        jkt,
        What’s good for Maori is good for Maori as far as TPM is concerned.
        The rest of Maori are the good blokes and sheilas!
        
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        May 30, 2024 11:26am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He is talking about being treated equally as all beers, hard working Māori will get tax cuts, and they will get better services, is that not better for Māori?
        
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        May 30, 2024 11:29am
      - leoj
        
        Luxon is proving to be the weak link in the coalition.
        
        Weak, woke and being shown up by Peters and Jones.
        
        Seymour has gone quiet.
        
        NZ First is showing their spine.
        
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        May 30, 2024 11:36am
- Stellaboxer
  
  It’s a protest by people demonstrating their anger at losing their place at the trough.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:25am
- rouppe
  
  It’s not your heart and mind they’re after. It’s the hearts and minds of “their people”. If they get that, that is a sizable voting bloc.
  
  For you it’s your money and your rights they’re after
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:44am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I find it very sad that the Maori Party and its supporters and the Maori Elite show such hatred towards white people like myself. I am sure that my late Father who served in the 21st Battalion and his mates who served in the 28th Battalion in WW2 and who fought together in North Africa and Italy would be equally sad. The brave 28th Battalion did not fight to see their grandchildren demonstrate hatred towards whites. After the war my Father maintained his friendships with many of the 28th Battalion and I and their kids got to know each other and play as kids do. There was no hatred between us and there neednt be now.
  Citizens of both races must work together to repell those that would set us asunder.
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:52am
  - Don Beckett
    
    My dad served in Italy in the 27th.Machine Gun Bttn. who were attached to the 28th as support.
    
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    May 30, 2024 11:12am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Not sure it is hatred. Just people seeing how far they can push things. They’ll keep pushing until there is push back.
    
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    May 30, 2024 4:04pm
- mrtinkyholloway
  
  This is 2024, winning minds is not important. Sophistic appeals to empathy is sufficient.
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Let them go for their lives, they will lose any cred they had
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:25am
- AitchW
  
  Along with the usual “hire a hikoi” hangers on…..
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:55am
- Stellaboxer
  
  These people are desperate for attention. Stay calm, hang loose and give them nothing. They want outrage, give them nothing. They want you all to be angry, don’t be . They are literally watching and analysing reactions let’s make sure they are thoroughly disappointed. These people represent a tiny minority of disaffected malcontents keep that in mind.
  
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  May 30, 2024 1:02pm
- Country Air Ian.
  
  Dont we(in NZ) have the right to peaceful protest???
  
  Wasnt long ago it was farmers, then truckers.
  
  Just a thort while the racists rant.
  
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  May 30, 2024 7:20pm
kiwikidsnz

In these times of incessant snivelling about how tough life is for so many it’s been encouraging to read a personal account by one of those who fought to defend the world against fascist & racist tyranny 80+ years ago.

I’ve recently read “The Forgotten Highlander” by Alistair Urquhart. As a 19 yo soldier he was captured in the fall of Singapore & sent to work as a slave on the Thai-Burma Death railway. After succumbing to over 2 years of constant beatings, starvation, malaria & cholera he was hospitalised, recovered enough to then be sent with 900 other POWs on an unidentified Japanese “hell ship” transport which was torpedoed by the Americans and Urquhart spent 5 days alone on a raft in the shark infested sea before being rescued by a whaling ship. He was taken to Japan and then forced to work in a mine near Nagasaki. Two months later a nuclear bomb dropped just ten miles away . . .

All POW survivors were required to signed agreements with the British government that they would not discuss the war crimes they witnessed……”During the Cold War those of us who survived became an embarrassment to the British and American governments, which turned a blind eye to Japanese war crimes in their desire to forge alliances against China and Russia.” The government also required official military documentation of the atrocities he endured to determine his military discharge status. Of course no records existed so he was denied the extra disability pay that would have provided.

Alistair Urquhart married Mary in 1946, whom he nursed for the last 12 years of her life. He worked until his retirement in 1981.

He suffered from what is now called PTSD all his life until he passed away age 97. He wrote his book age 90 – “lest we forget”
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May 30, 2024 8:03am
- Jinky
  
  A truly inspiring story of courage and perseverance in the face of adversity. Have read it a number of times as well as Victor Frankl’s story of surviving Auschwitz.
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:44am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Frankl’s ‘Mans Search for Meaning’ is a great book….
    
    The first half on his war experience is really enlightening
    
    And the second half is a handbook for facing adversity
    
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    May 30, 2024 12:17pm
- Jack5
  
  Good short video (18min) on the real story of the “Bridge over the River Kwai” and the true actions of the British officer the film incorrectly portrayed as something of a turncoat:
  
  https://youtu.be/v6qVhMqhNVY?si=2PUyaDWj9vL6iXLW
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:59am
- dh
  
  Sounds like an incredible account, have to check it out. What stikes me about the WW2 generation is how in the main they all re-built their lives afterwards and made life meaningful. One would like even a grain of their resilience. Another must read WW2 account is “With the Old Breed on Pelelui and Okinawa” by Eugene Sledge.
  
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  May 30, 2024 7:22pm
Chuck Bird

I would like to see Will debate with Luxon. If there is a climate emergency why not support nuclear?

Teenager leading campaign for nuclear energy ban to be lifted in Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85-CsFsKsbY
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May 30, 2024 8:03am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Why are you targeting Luxon on this? The last thing he needs is to open up another flank for the media to attack him on. Do you want him to win the next election or don’t you?
  
  It’s actually the Greens that should be facing this challenge. They’re the ones whose obtuse anti-science opposition to nuclear energy and to genetic engineering marks them as unserious about tackling climate change, hunger and conservation.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:24am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I want Luxon to follow the science and support the farmers. He was a supporter of James Shaw.
    
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    May 30, 2024 9:11am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      And do you think he’ll be able to follow science and support farmers better from the opposition benches?
      
      He’s already having to do a lot of things that are necessary, if the country is to have any chance of getting back on its feet, but which are not popular and which are costing him in the polls. He has to balance doing the politically unpopular with retaining enough political support to remain in power beyond his first term. Opening up the nuclear question will add more weight, possibly unrecoverable weight, onto the unpopular side.
      
      On the other hand, leaving it to this guy to challenge the Greens will hopefully either make the Greens look so stupid, irrational and hypocritical that they will lose their remaining thoughtful and pragmatic support, or it may actually start to change their minds.
      
      Either way will make it easier for Luxon to start a shift away from nuclear-free, than would going into battle himself.
      
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      May 30, 2024 9:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Farmers seem to have been forgotten these days. Once referred to as the backbone of NZ. Shit the Pukekohe/Franklin area feeds 25% of NZ!
      The loopy Greens want herd and flock sizes reduced. What follows on from that? Shortages and higher prices. We need exports ffs.
      If you had breakfast this morning thank a farmer and a truckie.
      
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      May 30, 2024 11:24am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Rubbish, he wants science to help farmers get emissions down naturally, he has stated GM seeds already used most other countries can drop emissions by 30% he has also stated that any tree planting and emission reductions such as the grasses mentioned should make that farm free of Labours intended emission charging which has been put on the back burner. I can tell you from work also, meetings are happening around the country trying to find out how to cut through farming red tape, so no he is not a James Shaw
      
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      May 30, 2024 11:36am
  - RoboRob
    
    Whilst thats all true. Like tax threshold changes or cuts, the only way Nuclear is going to change as if a right wing government does it. The labour party and many NZers are still stuck in the 80s on the nuclear debate.
    
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    May 30, 2024 9:28am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      I would take precisely the opposite view. The Right are the more likely to want to change the position on nuclear, but that’s precisely why they can’t do it. They can’t bring the centre with them.
      
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      May 30, 2024 9:39am
    - jedmo
      
      It took a courageous right winger (Nixon) to initiate the opening to communist China in 1972.
      Likewise, in NZ, a courageous Labour, if the climate threat was real, would be the ones with the potential political leeway, to get nuclear across the line.
      
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      May 30, 2024 9:51am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        And what happened to Nixon ?
        
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        May 30, 2024 11:39am
      - kowtow
        
        The opening to communist China has weakened the west and strengthened the very people who are currently supporting Iran and Russia .
        
        I’m old enough to remember the euphoria around the visit ( in certain quarters) where business thought they now had a huge market to sell into ; how’s that worked out for the deindustrialised west while we lostour manufacturing base to them and they still get to sell us justabout everything , in exchange for what.
        
        Similarly both sides of the US political Elites allowed tens of thousands of their scientists and scholars into their research , development and education infrastructure and again , who benefitted ?
        
        Madness .
        
        Blind Freddy could have seen where all this would lead.
        
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        May 30, 2024 11:44am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      The majority in Oz support nuclear power because the cost of power is going up.
      
      If NZ sees the price going up and blackouts and brown outs they will support nuclear.
      
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      May 30, 2024 9:55am
      - RoboRob
        
        People need to be smart enough or informed enough to understand the links. In NZ we had rental prices go up due to increased regulation & tax changes. Most NZers couldn’t tie the cause and effect together.
        
        Without a leader will NZers realise that Nuclear is litterally the silver bullet to CO2 (if thats your bag) and provides the base power that makes Wind and solar actually possible.
        
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        May 30, 2024 10:45am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Something that I misunderstood – there is no law prohibiting nuclear power in New Zealand. Of course resource consent would be required for a power plant. The “nuclear ban” only applies to nuclear weapons and nuclear powered ships.
        
        If it was profitable, a power co could simply seek fast track consent for a power station.
        
        Happy to be corrected.
        
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        May 30, 2024 11:00am
      - Taieri
        
        If it was profitable, a power co could simply seek fast track consent for a power station.
        ———-
        
        Profitable it could be, but…the only entity that could underwrite such a project in NZ is the government.
        
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        May 30, 2024 11:11am
      - RoboRob
        
        @Benedict Yu
        
        It might not be banned by law but without the infrastructure to allow building and running plants the ‘affordability’ barrier can never be met. We lack even the basic infrastructure or guidelines to even begin requesting consent.
        
        If we look at affordability, countries like France have proven Nuclear can be made safely and affordably. In many other countries the consenting process, government overheads and other requirements drive the affordability into the ground. This is generally intentional as governments and or environmental groups generally don’t want them.
        
        To get nuclear here a government would have to streamline the build / run process to make it viable. If it takes 10-15years to get turned down (or in the unlikely, approved) for a hydro dam, imagine how many decades it would take for a nuclear plant to get approved.
        
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        May 30, 2024 1:40pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The trouble with having nuclear in NZ is that it’s sitting on a super-volcano (Lake Taupo) that blows up every couple of thousand years. It last blew up a couple of thousand years ago. Think VERY deep ash falls and very large areas of devastation. NZ, like Japan is on the edge of a continental tectonic plate that moves often and can have extremely large earthquakes as a result.
        
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        May 30, 2024 2:50pm
      - Southtop2
        
        I am a big fan of Nuclear energy and as it is Aotearoa (North Island) with the largest demand then maybe we should have a nuclear power plant on, say Waiheke or Somes Islands (only slight tongue in cheek).
        Also we know that there were no direct deaths from Fukushima https://www.forbes.com/sites/sofialottopersio/2021/11/04/no-one-died-from-radiation-at-fukushima-iaea-boss-statement-met-with-laughter-at-cop26/?sh=4d75144f7a47
        However, sadly, there has been a death at the Makara Windfarm https://www.weatherwatch.co.nz/content/worker-killed-at-wind-turbine-farm
        
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        May 30, 2024 4:19pm
  - Damocles11
    
    I’d like ‘the right’ to win the next election. So why does Luxon need to be PM for that to happen? National is the party that sold us down the river, refused to abolish the racial separatist seats, signed us up to UNDRIP.
    
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    May 30, 2024 9:50am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Okay here we go, you have two bloody choices, Act are never going to be the large party, good luck with the next Labour green and TPM which will see Greens and TPM get huge leverage . Enjoy
      
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      May 30, 2024 11:42am
  - leoj
    
    Luxon is a waffler. A weak, woke waffler.
    
    No guts. No spine. The weak link in the coalition.
    
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    May 30, 2024 11:39am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Well, he can either waste time engaging with people who don’t want to listen to him anyway, or get on with the business of fixing the economy and using his time profitably.
      
      I know what I would prefer he does.
      
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      May 30, 2024 12:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Will Shackle. I have seen him before.
  Like the first comment: “Lock up the Greens.”
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:38am
Simon

Recognizing NZ is a GAE satellite the worst political types are.
• Gweens
• Dripping wet National party types
• DEI Labo types

The Maori party, the race hustling grifters, don’t make the list as they are entirely enabled by the second & third. Mere byproduct.

If you are boosted (and still believe in the vaxx), believe in the climate scam and would vote for Biden, that’s 3 strikes and you are utterly broken.
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May 30, 2024 8:04am
- Conservatarian
  
  Simon, the death jab booster statistics from the [insert Maori name for Ministry of Health] make it clear that we are all [mostly] anti-vax now: https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/for-health-professionals/data-and-statistics/covid-vaccine-data/#booster-breakdowns
  
  As of Fri 24 May 2024, Covid 19 Booster 2 uptake is about 1m jabs. By age group it is 18-34 25.2%, 35-49 20.6%, 50-64 40.8% and 65+ 72.7%. Interesting that young adults (18-34 years), who theoretically needed Booster 2 the least of all adults, took it at a rate 25% higher than did their more sane elders in the 35-49 age group. I wonder why that is?
  
  Booster 2 uptake peaked in the winter of 2022 middle of Ardern’s jabbing hysteria.
  
  Booster 3 (which is also defined as including Booster 4, 5, 6, 7…) commenced in April 2023. The ministry is too embarrassed to publish the raw numbers but the uptake graph shows a brief spike consisting of true believers . Probably less than 500k
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:17am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “death jab”.
    
    Can you post any data that shows that all cause mortality for the the vaccinated is higher than for unvaccinated? I mean analysis that is peer reviewed by a statistician?
    
    No you cannot because the reverse is correct.
    
    I have had 6 x doses of the death jab and I have never had COVID. And I feel fine.
    
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    May 30, 2024 11:43am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      BY, you are 100% guaranteed to drop dead any second now.
      
      I remember the assurances that the Clot Shot would cause certain death after a few years.
      Scared the shit out of me!
      Yet I still got the jab, just the once, so I could get a piece of paper to be able to go to restaurants and such.
      Y’know, two classes of citizen. ….Yip yip.
      At the time, a few years of life seemed like a good trade off for an order of tapas.
      
      A shame we were meant to boost and boost again since it was piss weak as a {pseudo} vaccine.
      “Deadly and ineffective” should have been the motto.
      
      Waitttt…what’s the year now? 2024?
      I better get my affairs in order!
      And warn all those about me, that we are about to be knee deep in corpses!
      
      If I wasn’t surely about to die myself, I would switch my investment portfolio from Palestinian flag production into casket manufacturing.
      (LOL, the fanatical pro-vax and anti-vax people are equally silly in my eyes).
      
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      May 30, 2024 1:34pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “BY, you are 100% guaranteed to drop dead any second now.”
        
        So why in all OECD countries is the all cause mortality for the unvaccinated higher than for the vaccinated? Across all age groups. I have posted this data a few times (mainly from the UK because it has the best data).
        
        All that matters is data. All the rest is just make believe.
        
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        May 30, 2024 2:02pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Since you are asking me that question, you clearly don’t do sarcasm.
        
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        May 30, 2024 2:49pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      Benedict, I use the term “death jab” to refer to the deaths arising in the jabbed population (for example through myocarditis or periocarditis) where the jabbed person was coerced into taking it, for example to save their job or to attend an educational facility or due to social or familial pressure, or simply through propaganda that it was safe and effective even though it was novel technology and inexplicably fast tracked through the normal testing process.
      The coercion was unprecedented, especially as the jab was completely unnecessary for a massive segment of the population (e.g. the young and middle aged in good health and without pre-existing respiratory issues). The Ardern regime apparently succeeded in jabbing 90% of “eligible” people. We saw similar numbers across the western world.
      I am glad that you have not have the $100b sniffle. I have not had it either. As you may have inferred, I’m not jabbed.
      
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      May 30, 2024 2:11pm
    - Keith White
      
      BY says “Can you post any data that shows that all cause mortality for the the vaccinated is higher than for unvaccinated? I mean analysis that is peer reviewed by a statistician?”
      
      Yes, but not for NZ as the data remain concealed by the bureaucrats.
      
      These data are easily found for overseas populations but you have clearly made your mind up.
      
      I wish you well and hope that you do not get Covid or Covid-jab-effects or anything else avoidable.
      
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      May 30, 2024 2:13pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        No. Just no.
        
        There has always been good analysis of New Zealand mortality data. Not as good as the UK, but quite good.
        
        By 2022 it was clear that the mortality rate for the vaccinated in New Zealand was much lower than for the unvaccinated.
        
        “Vaccination is one of the most effective steps people can take to reduce their risk of death from COVID-19. The analysis shows a 62% reduction in the risk of death from COVID-19 among people who had two or more doses compared to those who had received one dose or no doses. There is evidence that boosters further reduce the risk of death from COVID-19, and this will be the subject of future study. ”
        
        https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/covid-19-deaths-analysis-shows-importance-vaccines-saving-lives
        
        https://www.health.govt.nz/publication/covid-19-mortality-aotearoa-new-zealand-inequities-risk
        
        The problem with conspiracy theories around the COVID vaccine is that the adherents will not look at data and analysis. Or they will find some “analysis” that has been posted on some bulletin board full of methodological errors and is not peer reviewed.
        
        The best example of one of these conspiracy guys is “Dr” John Campbell in the UK. He has become very wealthy by playing to an audience.
        
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        May 30, 2024 2:28pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Just to clarify. I was opposed to all the mandates and I agree that all governments lied about the efficacy of the vaccine in reducing transmission.
        
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        May 30, 2024 3:18pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “and still believe in the vaxx”
  
  Belief does not come into it. Only evidence.
  
  What do you mean by “climate scam”? Do you dispute that global mean temperatures are increasing?
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:45am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    The climate changes, fact, and may well be warming, yes…and maybe it is carbon dioxide in the mix…yep, but the ‘pay more tax/pay more for electricity or at the pump’ which is the scam part. It is more like economic sabotage when China and India DNGAF.
    We would be better to spend a dollar helping developing nations go green, and act globally, rather than playing around at greater cost & lower impact locally.
    If it is about the planet, then the greatest bang for buck should be global and not just that we cut off our own noses around the likes of gas vs wind generation.
    The scam is government overreach and virtue signalling.
    Also the stalking horse of Marxists and Anarchists under the likes of Xtinction rebellion and other rabble. There is a venn diagram in the making for all the extreme political retards which shows the overlap.
    Greta does look hot in a keffiyah though 😉
    
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    May 30, 2024 1:38pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes I agree with most of that.
      
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      May 30, 2024 2:04pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    BY: “Do you dispute that global mean temperatures are increasing?”
    
    That isn’t the point. Almost no scientist, believer or skeptic disputes that global mean temps appear to have risen (using the spotty available data over 200 years) since the end of the little ice age. If you pull out temp stations suffering urban heat island effect, that trend becomes more questionable. Regardless, such trends are most likely simply cyclical.
    
    There is plenty of evidence that this rise is NOT unprecedented, at all. And there is no evidence that Co2 is the control knob for the earth’s mean temp. GHGs create a certain initial “greenhouse effect” which stops the earth being frigid like mars (which by the way has a thin atmosphere mostly composed of Co2. Figure that one out). Once the absorption bands of GHGs are saturated their “warming” effect diminishes in logarithmic fashion (IE they have bugger all effect). Multiple renowned physicists have calculated that effect is less than 1C per doubling of Co2. If we let developing nations develop using fossil fuels, the population will naturally level off at around 9 billion. It’s unlikely we will even double current Co2 levels.
    
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    May 30, 2024 3:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Lots of people out on the streets this morning.
Why are they not at work? Can get up to protest, but can’t get to a job?
I detect pure laziness.
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May 30, 2024 8:04am
- imalwaysright
  
  Where is Tamihere?
  He’s the master of these painted puppets that he has mobilised to save his gravy train.
  Its not about mana, its about money.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:15am
  - kowtow
    
    Highest paid “charity” executives in the country .
    
    $500k +
    
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    May 30, 2024 9:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    JT and Tuku.
    
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    May 30, 2024 11:29am
    - imalwaysright
      
      How can he have the shame to take a third of the money meant for poor people?
      
      How (and why) can he have more than $60 million in the charity’s bank account while still taking government funding?
      
      I think he is harbouring a grudge for Helen not christening him NZs first maori PM.
      
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      May 30, 2024 12:06pm
- kowtow
  
  or at school.
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:14am
- RoboRob
  
  Saw a heap of kids out of school on these protests. Unfortunately the govt lost their moral position on kids needing to be in school when the finance minister publically decided to take hers out to be present for the budget. Talk about not leading by example.
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:31am
  - wsk12345
    
    They will learn a lot more at the budget than at school to be fair.
    
    Their stay at home dad was in corp finance so I don’t think those kids will have too many issues with learning.
    
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    May 30, 2024 10:51am
    - RoboRob
      
      Doesn’t look good though for a government saying ‘dont take your kids out of school’ though does it?
      
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      May 30, 2024 1:41pm
All_on_Red

‘Little’ Bob De Niro makes a speech outside Trumps Court
https://x.com/notmyfault99/status/1795619370548506793
Satire
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May 30, 2024 8:09am
- Rich Prick
  
  You know the Democrats have lost it when they send a deranged old age pensioner out to mumble and shout at clouds. What an embarrassment. But that edit is gold.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:12am
  - RoboRob
    
    Why not send a ‘deranged old age pensioner’ out to mumble abd the clouds? Thats what they have for a president and candidate anyway 🙂
    
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    May 30, 2024 9:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He wants to give Trump a bj!
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    He might even be able to reach 😛
    
    https://twitter.com/ajtourville/status/1795668569943867513
    
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    May 30, 2024 8:28am
    - Rich Prick
      
      5’6” vs 6’3”, I see where you’re heading with that.
      
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      May 30, 2024 8:37am
      - MCōs
        
        I checked out his real height thinking he was a real short arse, but he’s the same as me 5’-9”1/2, which is an average height for blokes of my age in NZ and huge in Asia
        US Presidents are tall. Short people like Peters or Muldoon wouldn’t project the correct image.
        Biden is 6’-0” and all the other recent ones well over that.
        
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        May 30, 2024 9:50am
      - All_on_Red
        
        He’s 5’9″ in his 3″ lifts
        
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        May 30, 2024 1:09pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Interesting to know Biden is tall, but even if he was 6.6” I wouldn’t accuse him of ‘projecting the right image’ – unless that was as a sleepy cadaver.
        
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        May 30, 2024 2:25pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    Wouldn’t be his first go on the rusty bugle!
    
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    May 30, 2024 8:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Who knows?
      
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      May 30, 2024 11:35am
      - imalwaysright
        
        But does he know “Hail to the Chief”?
        
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        May 30, 2024 12:12pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  De Niro has TDS real bad. He should stick to pretending to be other people.
  
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  May 30, 2024 3:07pm
Rusty

Is Robert De Niro the most stupid American celebrity ever?

Trump if elected will be in power for ever and suspend free elections.

This man is wacko.
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May 30, 2024 8:11am
- RoboRob
  
  Heard lefty Ryan Grim speak on this. He pointed out the practical imposibility of Trump staying in power forever. Then he went an ruined his good run of logic by talking about a solution for the Dems and biden. His suggestion
  
  1) Constituation allows max 10yrs in power as president
  2) Max 2 elected terms as president.
  
  His solution, Obama as VP to Biden. Biden resigns shortly after election leaving Obama president again for another 2yrs. Obama selects his VP to take over after his 2 yrs.
  
  Does any of this sound familiar? Ever herd of a guy named Putin? Oh the irony that the left would be so concerned about people grabbing power and suggest they do the exact same thing.
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:38am
- NZer In Exile
  
  “Trump if elected will be in power for ever and suspend free elections.”
  
  They fear this because of the undemocratic scumbaggery they’ve supported. Fear of blowback because they know they support treachery.
  
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  May 30, 2024 3:23pm
pdm

I just saw this on facebook.

`My mouth waters whenever I smell steak cooking.
It made me wonder if vegans feel the same when they mow the lawns.`
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May 30, 2024 8:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  And they tell the lawn all about it!
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:42am
Maggie Pie

Some are saying it’s for services rendered…..

‘MELINDA GATES GIVES JACINDA A US$20 MILLION GRANT’

https://x.com/BrianTamakiNZ/status/1795715050931646773

No words. The ‘replies’ say it all.
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May 30, 2024 8:15am
- Matt Long
  
  Book deals are probably the easiest way to funnel funds to corrupt politicians, but there are many many other ways.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:29am
  - cmm
    
    Book deals are probably one of the hardest because someone actually has to write a book.
    Speaking engagements are a bit easier.
    But foundations are by far the easiest.
    
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    May 30, 2024 8:37am
    - Matt Long
      
      Yes and no, $50k to a ghost writer, so many million to the politician for “authorised access.” All above board, open and legal.
      
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      May 30, 2024 8:45am
  - Inandout
    
    Like buying Hunter ‘paintings’.
    
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    May 30, 2024 8:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Funds for saying “safe and effective” 20 unvigintillion times?
    
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    May 30, 2024 8:47am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Its amazing how rich they suddenly become when they leave office.
      Blair, Clintons, Obamas, (the Pelosis couldn’t wait and got stuck in anyway), and now this puppet.
      
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      May 30, 2024 10:39am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Remember Blackrock and Pfizer?
        
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        May 30, 2024 11:38am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yes this will be a donation to the JA Foundation. About as legitimate as Archewell, but it will fund her lifestyle and “work”for the next 3-4 years, long enough for Soros to see the value and secure a few more endowments from other Altruistic patrons ™
    
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    May 30, 2024 10:29am
- Tricati
  
  Today we have a rabble protesting because they think they something special, causing disruption to those that actually work and pay tax, and this at a time the country is an economic basket-case.
  In another universe, we have the architects of our economic decline either swanning around the world getting millions for speaking crap, or sitting in a cozy Vice Chancelor role at a woke university getting over $600K per annum.
  Its just disheartening seeing where the country has got too, and its going to need a leader with a great deal more fortitude I suspect than Mr Luxon to get us back on track.
  Unless the coalition government are prepared to take the gloves off to the activist element, that includes MSM, and take them head on, then I suspect we are stuffed – unfortunately.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:32am
  - Yvette
    
    Tricati … and its going to need a leader with a great deal more fortitude I suspect than Mr Luxon
    
    Mr Luxon may be tested as soon as Maori actually declare they have federalised themselves to have formed a Maori Nation – Iwi Maori
    Then David Seymour won’t have to legislate that the “the Government has the right to govern”
    Instead Luxon will have to prove it
    or not
    
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    May 30, 2024 9:18am
- peterwn
  
  The vast increase in the number of public servants would have required the Government directly or indirectly to buy many more Microsoft Windows and Office licences.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:40am
- redeye
  
  What a dedicated & committed little socialist she is.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:42am
- MCōs
  
  Here’s some details of why Melinda Gates gave the money to Jacinda Ardern and not the like of Brian Tamaki
  https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/5/29/melinda-french-gates-says-shes-donating-1bn-in-support-of-women-families
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:53am
  - Quail
    
    Many big governments have in the past made big dollar donations to corrupt politicians so they can encourage their view of the world.
    Just saying!
    
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    May 30, 2024 9:23am
- Jethrod
  
  Is this for REAL ?
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:42am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Sickening stuff. Braindead you-go-girlism at it’s worst.
  
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  May 30, 2024 3:57pm
Yvette

If you are unsure of what Maori striking/protesting about today, one explanation is –

Towards a Māori Nation
Hei whakatinanatia te kotahitanga

Kaupapa
Can a State formed out of injustice be constitutionally legitimate and can it endure unchanged?
Can a State formed out of injustice be constitutionally legitimate i.e. can rule of law be built on a foundation of injustice? Can a nation arising out of broken promises and unjust taking of other people’s lands, power and lives endure unchanged?
The time has finally arrived to conceive, and action change to the institutions of this nation. What those changes might include is the kaupapa of this paper.

Conclusion
Returning to a genuine partnership makes sense…a vital first step is agreeing and actioning a new model for unity.

It is clear following Tūrangawaewae, Ratana and Waitangi hui that none of the Māori community are willing to accept “option 1” or domitinaon of the rangaratanga by the kawanatanga. Option 2 (resumption of a partnered frame) offers the least risk and mutually beneficial upside for Aotearoa/New Zealand. Option 3 (reasserted no rangaratanga) is most risky in terms of uncertain outcomes, but potentially has the greatest upside for ngāi Māori. It is therefore recommended that option 2 is pursued first, with option 3 as the fall-back position, with an essential first step being the agreement to establish institutional arrangements to form and operate a new, federated Māori nation.

Expla-nation

Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has taken aim at Te Pāti Māori, calling them “radical extremists” and accusing them stoking racial division.

Peters was responding to Te Pāti Māori’s promotion of the nationwide protests planned for Budget Day and comments made in recent days by party MPs. He criticised the use of imagery of pistols in the protest’s advertising on social media, saying “make no mistake, racial division is exactly what they want, not unity.” 7.00am post, kiwiblog

“… racial division is exactly what they want, not unity” – no
They want the racial division, yes : Maori, non-Maori
But they want the Maori unified into a Maori Nation and no unity among the non-Maori
Winston has it only half right

Disruption today is for Maori unity at the Hastings hui tomorrow

Success with disruption today – win
Any suspension today – still a win for tomorrow
What “whitey” calls a win-win situation?
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May 30, 2024 8:21am
- NZer In Exile
  
  “unjust taking of other people’s lands”
  
  Um, as I understand it the overwhelming majority of land was sold fair and square for a mutually agreed price. How “just” was the pre-european Maori method of obtaining land being occupied by other tribes? It would appear these people hold a fantasy version of history in their heads.
  
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  May 30, 2024 3:31pm
kowtow

There’s something very rotten about the state of our te legacy media paahti when the Herald editorial claims todays disruptions are written up as a major and important event , while at the same time literally claiming that Luxon’s and Hipkin’s rhetoric has turned it into a legitimate news event .

Luxon was simply replying to a question posed by a reporter .

So here we have it , again , the media creating its own version of the news and lying while at it.
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May 30, 2024 8:22am
Matt Long

I felt uneasy at Fonterra’s announcement of plans to divest their consumer brands division, because it seemed to be wise to have a diversified income stream for when the ingredients business is performing badly.
However, their reasoning that the consumer brands business is capital hungry and doesn’t perform compared with ingredients makes sense, especially as the failed world milk pools strategy has been cut.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2024/05/fonterra-filling-gap-in-japan-s-dairy-market-as-japanese-farmers-abandon-the-industry-in-droves.html
Those who think the consumer brands business is a goldmine for the country, that Fonterra shareholders are obligated to keep are most welcome to persuade Infratil or the Super Fund to buy the business, or float a company themselves.
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May 30, 2024 8:25am
- Matt Long
  
  People looked to the Irish company Kerry as a model, which just happened to have free access into the EU, Hugh Stringleman compares the results.
  “Kerry’s farmers in Ireland achieved a one-generation wealth boost, but lost control over milk collection and processing, essentially killing the co-operative spirit.”
  https://www.farmersweekly.co.nz/markets/analysis-fonterra-drops-bombshell-on-consumer-arm/
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:40am
- Damocles11
  
  So these iconic brands – ‘Anchor’ was founded in 1886 – are suddenly a big flop. Wow. Coincidentally identified as such right at the moment Hurrell is casting about for more things to sell off. He’s the ‘sell it off’ guy. I don’t believe it, I think it’s just more of the same folly we are used to seeing from Fonterra. Plenty of critics of Fonterra’s big move into China, but they were all shouted down as apparently it was definitely the right thing to do and the ‘smart corporate executives’ absolutely knew what they were doing. The critics are proved right time and again with this outfit. Fonterra will be a drab bulk supplier of unbranded dairy products, with zero differentiation from the growing pack of competitors supplying the same products.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I suggest like Tip Top, Goodman Fielder could be all over it
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:49am
cmm

Apparently all this TPM divisiveness is being called a National Hui for Unity.

It really is deep into 1984 territory when we have this type of double-speak.

The only unity I am seeing here is that they are including Palestinian flags in with the protest!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350293620/explained-what-expect-second-national-hui-unity
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May 30, 2024 8:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Palestinian flags are the ‘rent a mob.’
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s a dead give away when they fly that flag of self governance when it is not an official flag
    
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    May 30, 2024 11:50am
- Matt Long
  
  That’s just a little reminder that if they’re able to “decolonise” Israel, the west isn’t far behind with the global Intifada.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:53am
  - kowtow
    
    Where were all the with it protesters when the ISIS Arab colonisers ( thousands even travelled from “western” countries ) were massacring, raping , burning alive , genociding the indigenous Yazidis and Assyrians .
    
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    May 30, 2024 9:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Let me explain..
  
  This national call for unity is Kotahitanga
  
  i.e. it is not a call for the peoples of NZ/Aotearoa- to become united as one people: it is a call for the unification of all the Maori Tribes/kinship groups,
  with ultimate aims of forming a Maori Parliament and self-government.
  
  https://waateanews.com/2024/03/11/kotahitanga-hui-called-by-ngati-kahungunu/
  
  In other words, unity by means of separatism.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:58am
  - cmm
    
    Sure, if they want to separate from my wallet – go for it.
    
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    May 30, 2024 10:03am
- Yvette
  
  Fromyour link, cmm –
  • The second national hui for unity is set to held in Hawke’s Bay on Friday at Omāhu Marae near Hastings.
  • Iwi Ngāti Kahungunu is hosting the hui with around 3000 people expected to attend.
  • The hui comes on the back of widespread activation marches and protests taking place across the country on Thursday.
  
  The hui will be about “maintaining the momentum” of unity from previous gatherings Barber says.
  “There are proposals and models on kotahitanga [unity or collective action] that will be spoken to at the hui, we need to now move to what the form and function of kotahitanga could look like and have that discussion as te iwi Māori.
  “We all need to be a part of it, we must see ourselves in any kotahitanga movement.”
  
  “te iwi Māori” – a Maori overall tribe or Nation
  
  Cmm – “including Palestinian flags in with the protest”
  Is there not a parallel Maori are pushing that Palestinian people are seeking their own Nation apart from an “oppressive” Israel? – misinformation as that may be?
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:00am
BananaLlama

I see politicians claiming that if you have one Maori Ancestor you are now Maori regardless of any other ancestry…..
…. interesting racial theory.
Through the power of racist census statistics i can now claim 100% of them are European because they all have one European ancestor as well.
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May 30, 2024 8:51am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  it’s more about self-identification than ancestry
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:10am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Self identify but publically funded.
    
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    May 30, 2024 10:45am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  We should not scoff, this will see a big boost to Māori seats
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:51am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, over 30% of young people are now Maori. That is a demographic wave that is likely exponential.
    If the Maori seats grow on this number then we can expect the Maori seats to increase,and by the end of the century maybe it could get to over 50%
    
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    May 30, 2024 1:06pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      By the same logic they are 100% European, it is complete nonsense and if politicians actually go through with this i am going to lmao at them enforcing a one drop rule.
      
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      May 30, 2024 1:19pm
cmm

I wonder how many geese that lay the golden eggs, who have been sitting on the fence for a while, just look at today’s shit-show and just say enough is enough…

Last year we lost over 70,000 NZers, mainly skilled people and got 20,000 in return, mainly less skilled.

Events like today can only hasten the next crop to pack their bags.
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May 30, 2024 8:52am
- MCōs
  
  If you’re going to quote facts you might as well get them right
  Last year there was a net migration of -52,500 NZ citizens and a net migration of +163,600 non-citizens
  https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/net-migration-loss-of-new-zealand-citizens-exceeds-50000
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:10am
  - Yabster
    
    ahh cognitive decline.. I wonder what 70,000 out and 20,000 in adds up too… hmmm -50,000 perhaps….
    
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    May 30, 2024 9:31am
    - MCōs
      
      Talking about two different things
      
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      May 30, 2024 10:20am
    - nova
      
      I think the assertion that the 20,000 NZs that returned to NZ are less skilled than the 70,000 who departed is incorrect. People who come back have gained life experience and skills whilst overseas (the exception of course is the 501 deportees from Australia, who have perhaps gained the wrong sort of skills!).
      The proper comparison is what MCos points out. Losing 50,000 citizens and gaining 163,000 non citizen immigrants is not good for the country. Regardless of how skilled or otherwise those non citizen immigrants are. It is another of the impending calamities foisted on us by the last government, who seemed to make everything they touched dramatically worse.
      
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      May 30, 2024 1:49pm
- Conservatarian
  
  You’re obviously talking only about the John Key years there, not the present.
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:35am
Damocles11

The marxist and increasing racial-separatism-loving NZ Herald is closing Facebook comments on any of their articles to do with the divisive ‘Carkoi’ protests and disruptions, ironically because they claim don’t want to have to be put to the trouble of deleting racist comments. The paper has been totally taken over by activists and racial separatists hired with PIJF money, a very sad development for democracy in this country.
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May 30, 2024 8:56am
- Terry Dalee
  
  This solved it:
  
  “This is to confirm that your subscription to Herald & Viva Premium has been cancelled.”
  
  Reason given for cancellation, Loss of trust in NZ Herald reporting.
  
  The one sided reporting of exclusively the Te Pati Maori protests, listing of gathering places and lack of balanced viewpoints regarding the Te Pati over the past few days is the last straw ..
  
  Sky TV Australia has a growing and more balanced NZ coverage I’ve noticed. The interview with Seymour was balanced I thought. The interviewer didn’t give him a completely easy run but asked good questions..
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:11am
  - Damocles11
    
    Well done.
    
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    May 30, 2024 12:21pm
Handyman

Notice how in the past six years Labour turned the budget into a kind of second Christmas. It was full of handouts and goodies for (Labour) voters.
Media are going to interpret today’s budget in those terms by asking pre-selected activists “what’s in the budget for you?”

Luxon and Willis, however, will treat the budget like any real world budget…
1. What is our expected revenue, clearly stating the assumptions.
2. How best to spend this year’s income for operational and maintenance expenses?
2. How best to finance capital investment for (physical and human) infrastructure.

Most of the media reporters have only known Labour budgets, so won’t understand any of this.

Ironically the tsunami of pre-prepared “mean government budget cuts” stories will be drowned out but the Maori separatists’ protests. It’s an ill wind…
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May 30, 2024 8:56am
Maggie Pie

What a plonker!

“I’m a believer in the adage that money doesn’t buy happiness”

– Cameron Bagrie (Economist) Newshub.

Honestly – what would he know?
And to think we used to have some respect for this guys opinion when he was with the ANZ. Now he’s even throwing his lot in with the panel on ‘The Daily Blog’ 🙁

https://buff.ly/4bFvBzG
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May 30, 2024 9:00am
- MCōs
  
  You seem to be fabulously rich, but it doesn’t seem to make you very happy if your constant moaning on this forum is anything to go by.
  Same applies to me!
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:15am
  - Red
    
    MCōs, where is happiness a requirement? Re:moaning. Welcome to the club, you can be honourary CEO, and here is a TokTok watch for a lifetime of service compressed into half a decade.
    
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    May 31, 2024 12:11am
- Country Air Ian.
  
  Where is this happiness shop that you buy all your happiness Maggie?
  
  Wondering on the price tags
  1 day Personal Happiness
  1 year Marriage happiness
  1 generation family happiness
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:28am
- imalwaysright
  
  Where was Bagrie and his laser focus insight while the unholy trinity were dismantling our economy over the last six years?
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:49am
  - Red
    
    Like the Covid tag team, here in EnZed it’s go-to economistas Infometrics, Equaab and Bagrie, mostly, a semi-slovenly crew of repeaters with nothing good to say.
    
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    May 31, 2024 12:14am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Nice to be miserable in comfort though !
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:37am
- NZer In Exile
  
  “I’m a believer in the adage that money doesn’t buy happiness”
  
  Oh bullshit. It certainly provides a very big cushion. Get real.
  
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  May 30, 2024 3:36pm
All_on_Red

‘ NEW YORK, NY — As the criminal trial involving former President Donald Trump winds to a close, the presiding judge instructed jurors that they don’t have to believe Trump is guilty to convict him.

Judge Merchan has run a very strict courtroom,” said one legal analyst. “Not allowing any type of shenanigans, reasoned arguments, or clear evidence to be present during the trial was a bold choice, and now he’s making sure the jurors are aware that believing Trump to be guilty has no bearing on convicting him of the charges. An impressive stance from a judge to say the least.”
https://babylonbee.com/news/judge-instructs-jurors-they-need-not-believe-trump-is-guilty-to-convict-him

We live in a bizarre age where life is imitating art
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May 30, 2024 9:01am
- MCōs
  
  This is the same news outlet that quotes the Pope as saying ‘I Apologize For Using An Offensive Slur To Refer To Flaming Homo Nancyboys’
  Amusing to some, but hardly authentic
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:23am
  - RightNow
    
    It’s not a news outlet, it’s a satire website.
    The sad thing is that satire has become indistinguishable from reality in so many cases.
    
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    May 30, 2024 9:52am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Except the Pope did actually say that the catholic church has an air of frociaggine about it!
    
    Babylon Bee is supposed to be satire, but really it’s tomorrow’s news, today!
    
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    May 30, 2024 10:34am
    - Conservatarian
      
      Correct. It has very high predictive power.
      
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      May 30, 2024 11:37am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Oh dear
    It’s not a ‘news’ outlet
    It’s a satirical website
    No wonder you’re so gullible
    
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    May 30, 2024 10:36am
    - Matt Long
      
      Some people think sites like the Babylon Bee, The Onion, CNN and Stuff are actual news sites.
      
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      May 30, 2024 12:04pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Actually, they got it pretty close to right (despite the fact it’s satire).
    The “crime” that was supposedly covered up wasn’t disclosed until Jury instructions and was offered as 3 separate crimes. The judge said that as long as they all think he’s guilty of something (it can be 4-4-4 for the options), then Trump will be guilty.
    
    Note that there was never any explanation of what the book keeping fraud actually was just that because he made the payments, his treatments of them as legal fees were fraudulent. No witnesses were called to show why that was illegal.
    
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    May 30, 2024 10:58am
    - All_on_Red
      
      I see the ex Chairman of the Federal Election Commission wasn’t allowed to testify.
      They looked at it and said no problem with it
      Its amazing what hoops the gullible TDS sufferers will jump though to confirm their bias.
      Its like the moron who says Trump has a drug addiction.
      Yeah- he’s addicted to Coke alright- Diet Coke
      Lol
      
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      May 30, 2024 1:15pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        The judge ruled that the Election Funding legal expert would confuse the jury so wasn’t allowed to testify. Again, Mercan subs “potentially result in an innocent verdict” with “confuse the jury” .
        
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        May 30, 2024 2:04pm
      - virtualmark
        
        No.
        
        He wasn’t a fact witness to any of the facts of the case. So the Judge asked the defence what he would provide testimony on. They said they wanted him to explain federal election law. The Judge then, properly, said that witnesses are not there to explain the law, they are there to provide testimony as to what took place. It is the Judge’s job to explain the law to the jury, not any witness’ job.
        
        In this situation Judge Mercan was completely proper and right.
        
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        May 30, 2024 5:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He is an expert witness
        You really are too far gone to be objective if you think Mercan is ‘completely proper and right’
        
        If he gets convicted you just watch how this gets thrown out on appeal- eventually.
        This is just another in a verrry long line of things you have been wrong about VM
        I dont think I have ever seen such someone so wrong, so often on this blog evah.
        And still you carry on- without any sense of embarrassment even though we all laugh at your nonsense.
        
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        May 30, 2024 7:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley, who has been inside the courtroom, writes. “The jury has been given little substantive information on these crimes, and Merchan has denied a legal expert who could have shown that there was no federal election violation. This case should have been dismissed for lack of evidence or a cognizable crime.”
        
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        May 30, 2024 7:18pm
    - virtualmark
      
      I recommend you read https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/what-must-prosecutors-prove-in-trump-s-ny-trial
      
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      May 30, 2024 5:16pm
- jkt
  
  The jurors need to find Trump guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
  The jurors do not have to all concur which one of the misdemeanour charges stick. All jurors need to agree that a crime was committed.
  Not bizarre.
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:41am
  - NothingLeft
    
    It’s beyond ridicule. Defense didn’t even learn what the supposed law broken was until after they had been forced to go first in summing up for the jury, it’s Kafkaesque.
    
    Defense were prevented from bringing forth testimony as to the credibility of Cohen and at every juncture prevented from presenting exculpatory information – like the fact that there was no potential campaign finance law breaking (critical for inference that there was a crime in trying to skirt it). There is so much wrong with the judges hyper-partisan behaviour and complete disregard for usual trial process (eg making defense go first in summation without right of response) as well as jaw-dropping rulings in this trial that there is zero doubt it will be ultimately be overturned on appeal, and likely see the judge censured (if that is possible in Democrat New York). The judge knows he has crossed the line so far that he can’t even see it any more and doesn’t care, because the whole raison d’etre of this trial and everything the judge has done is to throw a spanner in Trumps re-election bid, to prevent Trump from campaigning and to manufacturing a temporary ‘convicted felon’ label for duration of election campaign.
    
    I wonder if US supreme court will step in on appeals process. They can take it up immediately if they choose, and are only possible non-Democrat partisan jurisdiction in slow appeals process chain. They would have good reason to do so given huge impact on ’24 election.
    
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    May 30, 2024 1:06pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      (Fox news so perhaps with a grain of salt): Trump judge Merchon is an ‘acting judge’ who wasn’t in pool of 24 judges that NY trials are supposed to be selected from, and yet somehow was selected to presiding over this trial, the Trump loan valuation case and high profile Trump supporter Steve Bannon case in same year. All while having been a donor to democrats, an explicitly anti-trump ‘stop-trump’ organisation, and having a daughter who is a major coordinator of Democrat fund raising in New York.
      
      Seriously WTF?
      
      https://youtu.be/z-IeOC1Bd58?t=317
      
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      May 30, 2024 3:01pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Actually, there is federal precedent that all parts of the charge have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt with a unanimous decision by the jury. This case will fall over the second it gets out of NY
    
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    May 30, 2024 2:07pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Unlikely.
      
      Michael Cohen was charged in Federal court with basically these same charges, found guilty, and did time in Federal prison. His indictment and court case made many mentions of “Unindicted co-conspirator 1” … want to guess who that was?
      
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      May 30, 2024 5:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It wasnt the same charges
        He committed Tax Fraud and Perjury
        FFS
        
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        May 30, 2024 7:08pm
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s chilling to watch the US justice system fall to partisan show-trial levels in this way. We’ve seen terrible miscarriages of justice in the past – OJ trial, conviction of George Floyd cops, Assange persecutions and many others of lower profile (including a whole lot of J6 prosecution process). But Trump’s two New York show trials have destroyed any belief in the rule of law for half of Americans – it is clearly now a tool of political suppression of opposition to deep state. They’ve driven a splitting wedge through the heartwood of America.
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:08am
  - imalwaysright
    
    And there are those who mock Russia and China for their politically motivated trials.
    There is very little difference between them and the US and even NZ if we consider the judgement against Liz Gunn for touching someone’s forearm or the jailing of Brian Tamaki fo complying and cooperating with police at a public meeting…. the list goes on.
    
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    May 30, 2024 12:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump on Battles.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSoyyErZ3Zo&t=93s
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:51am
Im Right

The maori party just out for publicity, it’s why they make outrageous statements…not for their worth but purely for media attention and a chance to preach their policies/ideas Infront of a camera.
It’s all about votes, I will be honest in my thoughts that the maori party MPs KNOW the country is not as racist as they make out, but click bait dear boy…click baits generate media exposure and a few extra votes for them here and there.
Even bad publicity is better than no publicity.
And why does the MSM not challenge the party, it’s MPs….they say what they want, no matter how wrong and outrageous and no blowback from the MSM.
If Seymore/Peters/Luxon say something as a joke, as an off the cuff witty remark it’s front page news as ‘This govt jokes as NZ are struggling’ headlines.
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May 30, 2024 9:01am
cmm

Shocking that this “man” poured boiling water over his partner.

But even more shocking that she keeps going back for more…

“He also noted Kereopa’s 17 family violence convictions, eight of which were against the current victim.”

So this bloke has 17 domestic violence CONVICTIONS, and likely 5x that again in warnings and call-outs, 8 against her, but she still sticks around and “loves” him and rewards him with sex?

I kinda think TPM should rather be doing marches about this sort of thing. That would really help Maori.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/raglan-man-simon-kereopa-drags-partner-outside-naked-pours-boiling-water-over-her/2AXGYXRKGFGNFPTLVCNE2O42DU/
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May 30, 2024 9:05am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Fortunately he wasn’t able to use ‘Rough Sex’ as a defense.
  I think they changed the law after that scumbag piece of shit Jesse Kempson
  brutally murdered poor backpacker Grace Millane.
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:23am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    AFAIK there was no law change.
    
    You may be thinking of the provocation defence – that was changed after the Clayton Weatherston defence argument.
    
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    May 30, 2024 11:28am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      He’s another one that should have been swung from a crane 🙁
      
      (And how come we never hear about scum like this getting the bash in prison?)
      – A friend was just asking.
      
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      May 30, 2024 1:18pm
- mrtinkyholloway
  
  Why is someone with 8 convictions for violent crime not spending the rest of their life in jail?
  
  In a civilised society, this monster would not be released until he was released to the coroner.
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:22am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I’m sure he is turning his life around, and this, and the previous 17 convictions represent a cry for help from an innocent victim of colonialisation and the harsh, uncaring White Man’s justice system.
  
  Of course in pre-colonial times, her family would have bludgeoned him to death – or her if she had asked for it or disrespected his mana!
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:37am
- bennerg
  
  This is a man who should have been put away for 20 years.
  
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  May 30, 2024 1:10pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Why does she still stick around?
  Because he will have control of the money, the alcohol and the drugs. And will have menacing friends in gangland high places.
  If she leaves, she will have nowhere to go and he will threaten her with a beating and or sexual assault by his gang associates.
  I would also have some respect for TPM if they marched to protest about family violence and the readiness of so many to take out their tempers on their babies and children.
  They won’t do anything about that though because it is always the colonists’ fault.
  
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  May 30, 2024 1:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Why does she still stick around?
    
    No whanau wrap-around care available?
    
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    May 30, 2024 2:53pm
Surely Knott

Although the media headline says more people “identify” as Maori, the census actually asked if you are of “Maori Descent” and carefully defined it.

Stats NZ says, “The Māori descent indicator is based on a genealogical or biological concept, rather than on cultural affiliation to the Māori ethnic group”

Gisborne Maori wards are the same. You must be of “Maori Descent”.

The law and govt clearly recognises the difference between identifying culturally with a group vs biology and genealogy.

So how is it that people who “identify as women” were allowed to change their ” sex “which is biological on their birth certificates to reflect their identity.

Why can’t i change my descent or ethnicity on my birth certificate to reflect my identity.

Changing your legal sex to be how you “identify” is false and misleading and inconsistent with the way govt treats identity vs biology elsewhere.
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May 30, 2024 9:10am
- wsk12345
  
  Several of my family members are on the roll as Maori. When they first enrolled 30 or 40 years ago it was clear that there would be advantages of doing so.
  They dont actually have any Maori ancestors. I’m sure this happens frequently. I’m now Maori on my health record.
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:01am
- NothingLeft
  
  Choosing to identify as Maori won’t be allowed for the common folk of NZ as it would sap power and privilege from our browner betters.
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:01am
- NZer In Exile
  
  How is this different to privileging those deemed Aryans?
  
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  May 30, 2024 3:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

An Otago Uni Graduate writes to the Vice-Chancellor of Otago University and requests to have his name removed from any more begging mail-outs.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/dr-barnett-bond-letter-to-the-university-of-otago
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May 30, 2024 9:25am
- alex Masterley
  
  A well written letter.
  The response seemed to have a form letter quality to it.
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:58am
  - graham
    
    Yes, that was my thought when I read it also.
    
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    May 30, 2024 10:05am
- Cassandra
  
  And in the VC’s reply it says that they “consulted widely” with donors and alumni – I’m both and also facilitated millions for Otago through my work and running fundraising campaigns for them. I was not consulted. I’ve told them they’re not getting a penny more from me.
  
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  May 30, 2024 9:58am
- Damocles11
  
  The correct course of action is to defund any and all entities that are following a course of forced maorification and racial separatism. They are promoters of division and are sending us down a path towards anarchy. These entities includes the MSM and outfits such as the Universities which are now a hotbed of activism and extremism. We all have the power to do this, through not buying MSM product offerings, not purchasing products of those who advertise with the MSM, and not financially supporting the Universities. It is regrettable it has come to this but we are now in an existential struggle for our nations future.
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:02am
  - Miritu
    
    “We all have the power to do this, through not buying MSM product offerings, not purchasing products of those who advertise with the MSM, and not financially supporting the Universities”
    Hear, hear! very important and includes not constantly linking to MSM content
    
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    May 30, 2024 12:46pm
- Phronesis
  
  The response is essentially, we rebranded because our staff wanted to. They were clearly aware that it would annoy alumni as they are keeping the original crest just for communications with them. A business rebrands to increase its appeal to those who might give it money. What possible benefit is there in rebranding to appeal to your employees?
  Unless the employees really are the purpose of the business. A sort of government funded sheltered working facility for the otherwise unemployable.
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:16am
- Yabster
  
  Brillant letter very lame reply….
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:18am
Diogenes

I believe the following five-step plan would bring national unity faster — and at lower cost — than any protest movement.

1. Get a job.

2. Marry the mother of your child.

3. Start acting like a man (ie, stop beating her up).

4. Send your child to school.

5. Love your neighbour as yourself.

Note that this plan ignores ethnicity, and requires no government decree or government handout.
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May 30, 2024 9:43am
- MCōs
  
  With regard to #2: Does the mother have a say in the matter?
  
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  May 30, 2024 1:05pm
  - MCōs
    
    3 v 2 says no
    
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    May 30, 2024 5:49pm
Terry Dalee

Really there should a real national unity protest by all NZers of all races, colours and creeds opposing the Te Pati Maori protests…

A real united protest that you won’t be intimidated by this vocal minority, and that the real NZ, made up of all peoples, supports the colour-blind approach to Government which we expect.

Then I woke up and realised it was a all a dream. The longer the masses stay silent on this, the more complicit they are on the downfall of NZ.
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May 30, 2024 9:45am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It may well happen if this crap keeps up, just like the anti Israel marches in the states, they started marching against the protesters
  
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  May 30, 2024 12:25pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Most fear being injured, killed or doxxed, so instead will quietly head to Aus or elsewhere. Just what the scumbag minority want!
    
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    May 30, 2024 3:43pm
surfing

As Australia contemplates deporting all violent kiwi crims (they will in my view), New Zealand judges decide not to deport the mama hooch rapists back to australia.

It shows the stark difference in attitude between NZ and Australia. NZ judges love crims. We are not like Australia at all when it comes to attitudes.

One doesn’t need to be Einstein to predict a significant jump in violent offending .
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May 30, 2024 9:57am
- MCōs
  
  My understanding listening to a news report this morning was that Immigration New Zealand (INZ) said it cannot remove them because of how long they have lived in this country.
  They have been residents here for about twenty years.
  Obviously Oz has different laws regarding deportation
  
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  May 30, 2024 1:15pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Obviously Oz has different laws regarding deportation
    
    Dunno. The difference (if any) is likely that the Jaz’s are permanent residents and the 501’s are not.
    
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    May 30, 2024 1:32pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      I’m sure their residency can be revoked – different if they have citizenship.
      
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      May 30, 2024 2:02pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I believe real dirtbags with dual citizenship can have their NZ/Aus citizenship cancelled.
        
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        May 30, 2024 3:45pm
    - MCōs
      
      Being a PR is no help if they want to deport you.
      Different if you are a citizen
      All those 501s sent back here never got round to becoming citizens
      
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      May 30, 2024 5:59pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        I would guess they never even got round to being PR. Until recently PR was the biggest obstacle to getting citizenship. But anyway – I looked it up – and Oz deports bad PRs. NZ apparently doesn’t if the PR status is over 10 years old.
        
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        May 30, 2024 6:51pm
Matt Long

Should the council officers in this case be charged with attempted murder, or just intentional damage to property?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-couple-furious-after-tree-falls-on-meadowbank-home-in-storm-following-pleas-to-remove-it/M5X7M7LGZNC3XIM6TNNL5ZJU7E/
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May 30, 2024 10:06am
- Inandout
  
  ML, the Council said ‘are thoughts are with them’, a stock excuse from bureaucrats. The Robertson’s insurer would in all probability claim from the Council.
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:31am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “It is therefore upsetting to us as well and we apologise for the distress that this has caused Ms Roberton, her family and the neighbouring properties,” Crewe said.”
  So Auckland Council’s general manager of parks primary thought is to point out they’re victim status (as well) and incidentally ‘apologise’ for the distress it has caused to the real victims. Says it all really!!!
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:21am
  - MCōs
    
    Maybe the person usually responsible for penning heart wrenching messages had been made redundant as a cost saving measure
    
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    May 30, 2024 1:31pm
- riffer
  
  Neither.
  
  A successful murder conviction requires proof of intent to kill. Likewise, intentional damage requires proof you intended to damage. Hence, intentional.
  
  Incompetence, or general negligence resulting in damage to property through a tree falling doesn’t even fit manslaughter, as nobody died.
  
  The tree should have been removed though, and if it was on council property and caused damage then the homeowners shouldn’t have to pay a damned thing to have the damage rectified.
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:31am
  - Geri Sjovik
    
    Here’s the wording of the section;
    
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    a person does an act intentionally if he does it intentionally or recklessly, and without lawful justification or excuse or claim of right.
    
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    Notice it also allows for reckless behaviour.
    
    If they can show that the council had considered the tree a problem but did nothing about it then reckless may win. However, I doubt that they could prosecute the entity. The offence is more a personal liability. They may be able to use the evidence to support a civil claim.
    
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    May 30, 2024 12:09pm
  - cmm
    
    ” successful murder conviction requires proof of intent to kill.”
    
    I am not a lawyer, but I think you are wrong.
    
    If you intend to commit bodily harm, without intending to kill, but knowing that death is a likely outcome, then you can be found guilty of murder.
    
    But in this case, this was a “freak accident”. There was no intention to harm these people in any way. If there had been a death there then manslaughter charges may fit.
    
    https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/for-lawyers/jury-directions-and-question-trails/homicide/murder-or-manslaughter-sections-167-a-b-and-171-crimes-act-1961/
    
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    May 30, 2024 12:13pm
    - MCōs
      
      I was on a jury on where about six defendants were charged with killing a bloke
      We had to decide if it was murder or suicide and the judge went to some lengths to explain the difference. It basically revolved around intent, as I recall from a distance of at least thirty years.
      
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      May 30, 2024 6:07pm
  - artemisia
    
    That was particularly wild weather. For all we know the council took professional advice, maybe multiple times, before OKing the tree removal. Rubbish timing though.
    
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    May 30, 2024 12:51pm
    - Matt Long
      
      “Professional Advice” Bahahahahahaha
      
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      May 30, 2024 1:17pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Indeed….. 20M+ tall-Eucalypt on a boggy site close to housing – numerous warnings about the tree.
        
        NOT A FREAK ACCIDENT, at all….. AN INEVITABILITY in wind-prone Auckland.
        
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        May 30, 2024 1:36pm
    - Inandout
      
      art, all the council BS is laid out here once you plough through that other language.
      https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/building-and-consents/working-on-around-trees/Pages/pruning-removing-trees-public-land.aspx
      
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      May 30, 2024 2:37pm
- MCōs
  
  I remember years ago a large tree fell over in Cornwall Park by the ice cream shop and squashed a couple of cars
  In that case the tree was old and decaying, which should have been picked up and the old bugger deleted
  It emerged the council didn’t have adequate staff to go round methodically checking all the thousands of trees in a timely manner and removing the rotten ones.
  BTW
  I notice some big branches broke off a tree a few doors from our place last night!
  
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  May 30, 2024 1:28pm
Yvette

AI

What is ‘All eyes on Rafah’? Decoding a viral social trend on Israel’s war
An AI generated image with the text ‘All eyes on Rafah’ has been re-shared over 40 million times amid Israel’s attacks on Gaza’s Rafah.

Palestinian journalists have been risking their lives for months to document every single massacre and instead people are reposting an ai-generated “art” that says “all eyes on rafah” and tells us nothing about what is actually happening on the ground – comment
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/29/what-is-all-eyes-on-rafah-decoding-the-latest-viral-social-trend
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May 30, 2024 10:08am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear, Oh Dear,

https://theconversation.com/profession-or-trade-why-training-nzs-teachers-in-the-classroom-is-not-the-right-answer-230862

Patch protection……

If the Unis are turning out Teaching graduates who are ill-equipped to teach, then it is time to let experienced practising classroom teachers have much more oversight of the Training process.
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May 30, 2024 10:13am
- Swifty
  
  “Like medicine, law, engineering and architecture, teaching is now considered a profession.”
  
  Snigger.
  
  I’ll regard teachers as a profession when they have a shingle out, operate in an open market, don’t belong to industry trade unions, don’t bargain for collective agreements, aren’t all employed by the state and don’t all stop work during class time for trade union meetings!
  
  Until then……
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Very good points.
    
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    May 30, 2024 12:42pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    So what do you think about junior doctors then? Seem to tick most of your boxes ….
    
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    May 30, 2024 1:35pm
    - Taieri
      
      So what do you think about junior doctors then?
      ———–
      
      Junior doctor=doctor in training
      
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      May 30, 2024 2:20pm
    - Swifty
      
      Them too…
      
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      May 30, 2024 2:51pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Its unfortunate that minimum wage legislation prohibits most New Zealand teachers being paid their worth.
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:53am
ecco

Trying to figure out what the protests today are for.

Is it people who want the gravy train to continue for longer and for someone else to keep subsidising their lifestyle (ie the NZ taxpayer) and for the NZ government to continue on with running a deficit and continued high debt levels?

If that mentality prevails I’m not staying around long term. Paying far too much tax in this household to support multiple work shy people and families, with their hands out to the government.
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May 30, 2024 10:29am
Maggie Pie

Fellow dog lover and ‘X’ bestie the wonderful Pam Taylor tweets…..

Jew hating attendees at this Dunedin City Council meeting, want more Arab Muslims
from Palestine to migrate to their city and be given everything they need to settle there.
Free housing, schooling, clothing, food, not to mention support for their mental health issues….. all at the Ratepayers expense!

WATCH

https://x.com/PamelaTaylor000/status/1795334925497036894
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May 30, 2024 10:57am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, they settle and breed and outgrow their mosque.
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/community-has-outgrown-its-mosque
  
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  May 30, 2024 11:56am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The UK is doomed. NZ needz to wake up. Let’s hope it’s not too late…..
    
    https://twitter.com/ImtiazMadmood/status/1719477870693642744
    
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    May 30, 2024 12:47pm
- mogg
  
  You’re just old fashioned, what’s wrong with a having a few ‘rape gangs’, child molesters, genital mutilation, women as second class citizens, throwing Gays off buildings. The Manchester Arena and Westminster Bridge bombers were just expressing a point of view, otherwise they are part of the top tier on the victimhood hierarchy.
  
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  May 30, 2024 1:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump exits Court. The speech translator is stuffed. “De Niro was maggot, maggot.”
Nope – “MAGA, MAGA!”
All of this just means more votes for Trump. That 5D Chess works well.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-exits-courtroom-labels-trial-rigged-as-hush-money-jury-deliberations-begin/vi-BB1ngTL9?
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May 30, 2024 12:06pm
Geri Sjovik

How sad, watching a metally distressed, senile, old man supporting a mentally distressed, senile, old man.

De niro roaming around the city and making a hearfelt, impassioned, impromptu plea from prepared notes.

Is this the best the democratic machine can churn out? How sad.
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May 30, 2024 12:15pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Remember last time most of Hollywood were out in force for Sleeeeepy, lest someone would think they thought for themselves , now we just have Bobby the Mook.
  But at least Bob showed up.
  
  Unless he’s shooting scenes for Meet the Mother fucking country fucking Fockers!
  
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  May 30, 2024 1:20pm
cmm

Is Herald being a bit tin-eared talking about “civil war” in today’s context?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/nz-rugby-civil-war-what-proposal-two-means-for-the-future-of-the-game/63SUORTQYJB6JG4RT4HLSNI5CQ/
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May 30, 2024 12:17pm
Maggie Pie

I’m getting quite excited now.
My partner just txt to say he’s on his way home early so we can watch the Budget together.
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May 30, 2024 1:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Better hope that Nicky doesn’t introduce a toilet tax for your place.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/430204/toilet-tax-gisborne-school-gobsmacked-by-wastewater-rate-proposal#:~:text=The%20proposal%20is%20to%20combine,will%20be%20charged%20per%20toilet.
  
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  May 30, 2024 1:40pm
  - cmm
    
    Yesterday she seemed more worried about the possibility of a toothpaste tax.
    
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    May 30, 2024 2:14pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    That’s the infamous poo tax.
    
    Revenue is potentially huge but monitoring and compliance is the sticky issue.
    
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    May 30, 2024 4:00pm
Handyman

The Maori Party look to the Kanaks in New Caledonia with teary eyed admiration with their rioting, looting and burning cars. One day that will be us, they hope and we fear.
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May 30, 2024 1:31pm
Chris Nisbet

Newshub headline says “Seymour rages…”
I stopped right there. I have no idea what the story was about, but Seymour has to be just about the least rage-filled politician we have, so I figured Newshub were just lying to us.
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May 30, 2024 1:36pm
- Yvette
  
  They are lying, as the video proves
  
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  May 30, 2024 4:47pm
mandk

Why would Marama Davidson call out Maori Party racism?

She’s unapologetically racist herself.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/act-s-david-seymour-clashes-with-green-party-co-leader-marama-davidson-over-te-p-ti-m-ori-s-rawiri-waititi-s-p-keh-government-and-white-budget-comments.html
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May 30, 2024 1:47pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  David Seymour just calmly destroys Marama’s credibility. Funny when he looks outside for the space ship she’s just landed in, and reminds her she was in power the last six years and made everything worse! LOL
  
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  May 30, 2024 2:53pm
cmm

Many people have pointed out over the last few days that most Maori are moderate and it is only radical Maori who are demonstrating and calling for special treatment.

Fair enough, I accept this.

As I have said a few times, it is up to those moderate Maori to stand up and claim their voice back. If they do not then we get what we’re getting.

“Māori again prepare to demonstrate the power of protest” writes Jack McDonald (is that of the famed McDonalds of Aotearo?).

See, they don’t say “a few radical Maori”, they say “Maori”. They are speaking for you, on your behalf, whether you like it or not.

If you keep quiet then they will continue to steal your voice.

https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350293822/maori-again-prepare-demonstrate-power-protest
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May 30, 2024 2:13pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Only a few percent of people have anything more than a passing interest in politics and only a tiny fraction of a percent will contribute money or leave the house to do anything about causes they support.
  
  So radicals and zealots rule the modern political and governance landscape.
  
  The solution is to hand power back to the masses via binding polling on contentious decisions outside of very narrowly defined areas. Stop energized zealots and the captured institutions they rule from dictating to the disinterested masses. Include judiciary, NGOs, local govt and other public bodies.
  
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  May 30, 2024 3:09pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  What percentage of those claiming Maori heritage voted for TPM? From memory it’s quite a significant percentage. Like most NZers I’d say many with some Maori heritage are politically ambivalent/complacent.
  
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  May 30, 2024 3:55pm
  - rockape
    
    87000 voted for the Maori party out of 1 000 000 million according to the last census. Doesn’t look like many Maori support the Maori party to me !
    Happy with the plan by Maori for Maori but that will have to start with Maori paying their fair share of tax. If the want 20% of the National budget, let’s send the bill to Maori for 20% of the Tax. I always thought the Maori party represented lazy brown folk, I now think they represent lazy brown stupid folk!
    
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    May 30, 2024 5:30pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Allowing for 50% being able to vote that is 17% of the Maori Population, or 3% of the total voting population approx.
      
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      May 30, 2024 5:47pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350295633/budget-2024-beige-budget
I see that Tova is up-and-running already….
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May 30, 2024 2:24pm
- mandk
  
  What do you mean “already”?
  
  She wrote the piece last week.
  
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  May 30, 2024 3:44pm
- AitchW
  
  GB, why do you even bother reading her crap? She’d have bagged this budget no matter what it contained. She probably wrote Hipkins’ budget reply. Although on reflection is sounded like perhaps one of the members of VUWSA wrote it for him….
  
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  May 30, 2024 4:17pm
  - greybeard
    
    I didn’t read it, and never have read any of her items.
    The heading and byline is enough for me thanks !
    Her pro-Ardern performances during “The Covid Years” opened my eyes to her true character.
    
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    May 30, 2024 7:37pm
NZer In Exile

Pull the plug on all tax funded media and arts (and any other sundry cultural crap). If it’s good people will pay to consume it.

The enemy has infested these things.
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May 30, 2024 2:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Might be busy over in the Hawkes Bay this King’s Bday Weekend

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mongrel-mob-president-who-became-key-figure-in-275m-meth-rehab-scheme-dies/DXLQ2BJVCRERNNAIWUQ3GYVADU/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/thousands-expected-for-historic-hui-and-kahungunu-ki-heretaunga-led-rally-in-hawkes-bay/2UCOJ2GWBNCJZHM6ODPDSDVN54/
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May 30, 2024 3:03pm
- AitchW
  
  A mob tangi and a meeting of the lost, bewildered, entitled and hapless. Both events will attract mindless thugs looking for a scrap. Add generous helpings of booze and P, and you have a perfect storm. Or should that be shit storm?
  
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  May 30, 2024 4:22pm
lifesgood

I had to go in to work today. What a sight in downtown Auckland – lazy layabouts shouting doing raucous hakas and waving flags. Lots of posturing and strutting, morons on motor bikes riding through the pedestrian only square. Saw some of the mob getting into taxis to go home afterwards. Ironic. Without European settlers they’d be walking. Just a bunch of loud mouthed idiots. Meanwhile the good folk of Auckland went about their work and studiously ignored them
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May 30, 2024 4:00pm
Yvette

■ What will be the purpose of a Maori Parliament without a tax-funding base for any activity?
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May 30, 2024 4:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The idea will be to elevate the Maori Parliament as an upper House over the Parliament for the Plebs aka Tangata Tiriti folk.
  
  https://e-tangata.co.nz/korero/taihakurei-durie-its-time-for-an-upper-house/
  
  We’ll be paying for it……
  
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  May 30, 2024 7:04pm
- Philview
  
  Strangely TVNZ left that one out from their 6 pm News. The most logical pathway would be for the Tribes to withdraw from the Treaty and declare a Tribal Government. This could mean a court case in which the Supreme Court would decide on the legitimacy of the Tribal Government. Would the Tribes do such a thing as they have the power not TOM?
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:38pm
- Terry Dalee
  
  Crimes Act
  81 Seditious offences defined
  (1)A seditious intention is an intention—
  
  (a)To bring into hatred or contempt, or to excite disaffection against, Her Majesty, or the Government of New Zealand, or the administration of justice; or
  
  (b)To incite the public or any persons or any class of persons to attempt to procure otherwise than by lawful means the alteration of any matter affecting the Constitution, laws, or Government of New Zealand; or
  
  (c)To incite, procure, or encourage violence, lawlessness, or disorder; or
  
  (d)To incite, procure, or encourage the commission of any offence that is prejudicial to the public safety or to the maintenance of public order; or
  
  (e)To excite such hostility or ill will between different classes of persons as may endanger the public safety
  
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  May 30, 2024 10:29pm
Yvette

■ Will those in the New Zealand Parliament now resign if they are working to establish an opposition entity?
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May 30, 2024 4:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You’re jesting now, aren’t you?
  
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  May 30, 2024 7:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What happens if there is a hung jury at Trump’s New York hush money trial?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/what-happens-if-there-is-a-hung-jury-at-trump-s-new-york-hush-money-trial/ar-BB1ngYPF?

Stormy, don’t suck the microphone (twice)
1.26.
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May 30, 2024 4:41pm
Yvette

■ “We now begin the process of establishing our own Parliament. Our people will design what this looks like for us, nobody else.”

Towards a Māori Nation, Hei whakatinanatia te kotahitanga, is the agenda for the hui tomorrow
The Party Maori has jumped the mangō, already
Is it smart to beat the Maori King, or is it a John Tamahere plan to announce something that forces his hand – well, voice in this case?
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May 30, 2024 4:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is it smart to beat the Maori King, or is it a John Tamahere plan to announce something that forces his hand – well, voice in this case?
  
  An interesting question.
  
  I would like to know whether Baden Barber, Ngati Kahungunu and other Iwi Leaders are on board with this.
  (we might get a clue tomorrow)
  https://www.huitaumata.co.nz/_files/ugd/a0663d_27acdcdc589a4d9fbf13d1ef4df99c4a.pdf
  
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  May 30, 2024 7:10pm
  - westernScientist
    
    Lol the funniest thing about that might be the dominance of the xxxx@gmail.com address on every page. It is also interesting that it is more predominately English than the average public service communication.
    
    I really cant see this going far before it devolves into inter-tribal fighting
    
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    May 30, 2024 7:20pm
westernScientist

ummmm…. I wonder if they need to declare a conflict of interest? This is just bizarre
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/te-pati-maori-protests-new-parliament-mooted-declaration-of-independence-issued/GSOV3QHFX5EQ3NS6SYFIOCMO74/
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May 30, 2024 5:07pm
greybeard

Does anyone know if any of the NZ “Green Party” actually ” own / manage / control / have financial interests in ” NZ farms or agricultural enterprises ?
Do any of them walk the walk, or are they all urban critics ?
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May 30, 2024 5:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Celia Wade-Brown went alternative….
  but apart from C-farming, I doubt if she is making much of a contribution to the Agricultural economy.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/countrylife/audio/2018887056/off-grid-and-farming-carbon
  
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  May 30, 2024 7:15pm
  - greybeard
    
    Thanks.
    
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    May 30, 2024 7:37pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Jeanette Fitzsimmons ran a small holding I believe.
  
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  May 30, 2024 7:28pm
  - westernScientist
    
    a ‘small holding’ unless she has a hectare or two of glass houses, its hard to call it part of agriculture.
    
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    May 30, 2024 8:46pm
Maggie Pie

Some good newsI thort wirth sharing….
Just cheked the Baromerter and its swung up from 990 to 1020 !

Augers well for a fine KBW 😎
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May 30, 2024 5:33pm
- kevn
  
  But Maggie.. The spoiler is rubbish like this utterance from the alien tmp cowboy.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/te-pati-maori-protests-new-parliament-mooted-declaration-of-independence-issued/GSOV3QHFX5EQ3NS6SYFIOCMO74/
  
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  May 30, 2024 6:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sounds to me like JT’s daugther wrote all that tripe!
    Bet she naggz the sh*t out of Rawiri at home 😎
    
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    May 30, 2024 6:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh damn…
    It’s only a hypothetical Parliament.
    
    Wouldn’t we all like to see Rawiri and Debbie fighting over who would be ~~Prime Minister/ Chief~~ Pirimia?
    
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    May 30, 2024 6:33pm
Geri Sjovik

What a clown.

“We want by Māori, for Māori, ….. ”

But not paid for by maori; oh no, whitey mofo is going to pay for it.

If maori make up 20% of the population then get teh IRD to add an extra 20% tax on everybody who claims to be maori. To pay for it all. Let’s see how many really are maori.
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May 30, 2024 7:38pm
surfing

“Te Pāti Māori protests: New Parliament mooted, declaration of independence issued”

This f****r needs to be charged with sedition. This isn’t pub talk.
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May 30, 2024 7:52pm
- westernScientist
  
  That might be going a bit far surfing, he is just an idiot. Something about not interrupting someone when they are making a mistake – they will rial some insane individuals up, and they will do something really stupid and the pendulum will swing. As long as Luxon doesn’t capitulate in the mean time I guess.
  
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  May 30, 2024 8:52pm
Jack5

Tough times coming for theft-vulnerable copper power lines?

Copper prices will quadruple to $US40,000 a tonne over the next four years, forecasts a leading world commodities speculator, Pierre Andurand, a hedge fund manage.

He forecasts it will take more than five years for supply to catch up with demand.

Copper reached a record $US11,100 a tonne on Monday, but since has eased to as low as $US10,410, the Wall Street Journal reports. It is still up 22 per cent this year.
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May 30, 2024 9:30pm
Peter Holt

Did anybody have an ACT volunteer knock on their door this evening?
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May 30, 2024 10:07pm
Peter Holt

Did anybody have an ACT volunteer knock on their door this evening?

Good to see them promoting the budget.
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