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Benedict Yu

Julie Anne Genter is not doing well engaging with folk on twitter.

She was triggered by the Kàinga Ora Review concluding that the organisation was “not financially sustainable”. She did not address that conclusion. Instead she told the world that it was actually NZTA that was financially unsustainable because they were building highways.

She attracted some adverse comments. 😅

https://x.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1793154247892340892?t=2r3xG9hOsaNN1y8fVumMgg&s=19

Next we had some virtue signalling.

“10.30pm on a bus home from parliament. It’s a double decker.
It’s at least 75% full.
Make public transport affordable & frequent even at night and people use it.”

https://x.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1793228014354137194?t=06aotAPkNCVdXZKpXmenkg&s=19

One reply pointed out that in the first quarter of 2024 she spent $10,100 on air travel.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/mps-expenses/members-expense-disclosure-from-1-january-to-31-march-2024/

Out of 123 MPs, this is the 10th highest expenditure on air travel for the first quarter of 2024. However what makes this odd is that she is a Wellington based MP. She does not need to fly to Parliament each week.🤔

The average expenditure on air travel for all MPs in the quarter was $5,441. Her travel costs are almost double that.

This just illustrates that her travelling home in a bus rather than a taxi is pure virtue signalling. 😂

So what about the other Green Party MPs? Surely they are economical in their expenditure on air travel? To save the climate? Well not exactly.

Of the 10 highest spending MPs on air travel, four are Green MPs. 😳

Finally, which Party had the highest average expenditure on air travel for the quarter? The Green Party at $6,784. 😅🤡

It might be best if JAG lays off the virtue signalling for a while.
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May 26, 2024 8:01am
- blue collar
  
  I’m just glad we don’t have to bear golriz banging on about Iran anymore
  It’s a slow burn , but the lunatic asylum is getting cleaned out
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:09am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Did JAG claim the bus fare on her expenses?
  
  If not, perhaps it didn’t happen.
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:10am
- Mike
  
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  It always amuses me that some people think advocates for environmental sustainability are hypocrites if they ever use aircraft, etc
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:11am
  - Grunter
    
    Mike – have you still not figured out the global boiling scam? Come on, get your crayons out and add up the numbers! And here’s a hint that global boiling is a scam…… Look out your window. The Globe isn’t actually boiling.
    
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    May 26, 2024 9:52am
  - Albie
    
    Mike, it’s not the fact they use airline travel, it’s the amount of travel some Green MP’s charge up compared to MP’s of other political persuasions.
    
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    May 26, 2024 10:37am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Agreed. They don’t eat the same shit they shovel up to others,
      
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      May 26, 2024 10:55am
  - wsk12345
    
    $10 k in domestic airfares in a quarter is insane. Even for a $500 return flight, she has to take one every weekend plus a few extras to get to 10 k. Enjoying all your holidays JAG?
    
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    May 26, 2024 10:43am
    - Ghost
      
      James Meager has $8,966 air travel and $6,716 surface travel, which isn’t surprising.
      
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      May 26, 2024 10:59am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Not unreasonable for an MP who lives in Northland. Or Bluff.
      
      But JAG lives in Wellington. 🤔 Even if she went to the Chathams which are in her electorate that is maybe 1,000. She was spending about $1,000 per week.
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:33am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      They cannot claim travel to go on holiday. They would be found out and beaten up. 😂
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:34am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Yes, the MSM would be on to that in an instant //s
        
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        May 27, 2024 3:36am
  - rouppe
    
    Not ever use aircraft.
    
    Just use aircraft when there are more sustainable options. The number of times James Shaw flew between Auckland and wellington when there a perfectly good train to use is unbelievable.
    
    Now would it take ten times as long? Yes. Is it uncomfortable? Yes. It’s it convenient? No.
    
    But mate… Put up, or shut up.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:03am
  - leoj
    
    Why was Genter using the bus when she has a bicycle?
    
    When these Green climate change, global warming fearmongers quit lecturing us about how to live and actually stop using modern day conveniences such as air travel, then we might give them the benefit of the doubt.
    
    Trouble is, these loopy politicians have allowed their power to go to their heads. Instead, they need to pull their heads in.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:18am
- Homas
  
  Maybe it’s just me, but I find public transport hubs a bit…what’s the word…stabby, for my tastes.
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:18am
  - AitchW
    
    Little bit soon perhaps?
    
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    May 26, 2024 10:57am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  In fairness – she’s the MP for the Chatman Islands. The cost of a single return trip there would get you a lot of flights from Auckland to Wellington.
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:20am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I looked it up. $870 return. That doesn’t explain it unless she goes there a great deal. 😅
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:39am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think last week was her first visit.
      
      She flew there courtesy of RNZAF.
      
      In May 2024, MP Juli-Anne Genter visited the Chatham Islands (the islands form part of the Rongotai electorate) to advise on strategy for transitioning to active transport as part of the Island Council’s goal towards net-zero carbon emissions by 2030. Genter flew to the islands courtesy of the RNZAF.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatham_Islands
      
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      May 26, 2024 12:24pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Well, that wouldn’t appear in Q1 expenses then.
        
        It will be interesting to find out whether RNZAF charges for the Chathams flights, and if so, how much.
        
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        May 26, 2024 1:50pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Chatman – that was that Alan Carr show, wasn’t it?
    
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    May 27, 2024 3:47am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Beats me how anyone could vote for such an hysterical one policy pony. Hang on a minute they voted for Tory Whanau for mayor I guess there aren’t any problems in that part of the country apart from a lack of cycle ways public transport and rainbow crossings.
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:26am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Beats me how anyone could vote for …
    
    If it beats you … bloody democracy 🙂
    
    And calling these voters stupid is obviously going to get them to see the light and vote for the same things you do.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:27am
  - Local Miller
    
    In the 2020 election the voted Liebour in, and they had NO policy, and where proud of it.
    
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    May 26, 2024 12:43pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yeah, well.
  For the Green Party the ends justify the means – always.
  No question.
  What’s a few taxi rides and business class flying when you are in a position to tell the ignorant peasants in “Aotearoa” what to do. For their own good.
  Because Ms Genter and her rag bag of colleagues know what’s best for us – just like an old fashioned nanny.
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:28am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Old fashioned nannies never pushed to legalise cannabis.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:02am
- sirknz
  
  Oh dear, I seem to have been blocked by her. I suspect that the other Greens have also blocked me as I haven’t seen any posts from them for a little while now come to think of it.
  
  Why do the left not like opposing points of view?
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:31am
- Simon
  
  Lets say National had an opportunity to bury Labo for a very long time. Probably like they have now.
  But given how mad the Gweens are (Labo’s replacement) would National ever bury Labo? Its in National’s / NZ interests to ensure Labo are viable? Given the Gweens.
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:36am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    ?
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:40am
    - Simon
      
      Uniparty
      
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      May 26, 2024 12:18pm
- artemisia
  
  ‘Affordable and frequent’ public transport. It would be grand if Ms Genter wrapped some numbers around that. Like how much would be paid by actual public transport users and how much by ratepayers and taxpayers.
  
  Meanwhile Dr Bryce Wilkinson in his NZInitiative KO review report article ‘Housing Mess Laid Bare’ adds up the cost of ‘affordable’ in the housing sector:
  
  Government spending on housing support is forecast to average around $8 billion annually over the next three years, or around $4,000 per household. That is a massive increase on the $2.6 billion spent in 2018.Taxpayers who want to believe their money is being well-spent should not read the Review.
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:40am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It was the Kàinga Ora review that triggered JAG to post that tweet. She deflected, stating that it is actually NZTA that is financially unsustainable because it is building highways. 🤔🤡 Of course NZTA is by definition sustainable because it is fully funded by the users of the highways. 😅
    
    Honestly we deserve a better opposition.
    
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    May 26, 2024 9:21am
  - rouppe
    
    The other thing is we only have her word for it that it was 75% full. Or that it wasn’t inflated by a cohort of Green members to make a post. Or that it wasn’t after an event at the stadium.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:06am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      If it was a Thursday night that is plausible. Folk go out socialising and often get a bus home to the Eastern suburbs, island Bay etc.
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:43am
  - leoj
    
    To the wacky left (Labour-Greens), affordable means subsidised, by you know who.
    
    They have no concept of user pays or how the taxpayer gets reamed every time the govt has to find the funds to keep their useless ideas afloat.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:24am
    - AitchW
      
      Like the $1800 return trip per passenger subsidy on Te Huia?
      
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      May 26, 2024 5:52pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Might have been a little liberal with the noughts there, HW
        
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        May 26, 2024 9:13pm
      - AitchW
        
        NMTB, I stand corrected. $180 per return trip.
        But let’s follow the msm principle of not letting the truth stand in the way of a good story…..
        
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        May 26, 2024 9:24pm
- KH
  
  A note on safety. Avoid late night buses with angry persons. You could get hurt.
  
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  May 26, 2024 9:14am
  - pdm
    
    Well earache any way if you are on the Rongatai bus.
    
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    May 26, 2024 10:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Green MP who has disappeared off Green’s radar spent $28, 570 on travel & ?accomodation to goodness knows where.
  
  Such a mystery MP.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/judith-collins-spends-almost-150000-on-international-travel-in-first-quarter/NSS3RSIUSNDKPHNJKJLIOPGJYM/
  
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  May 26, 2024 9:21am
  - cmm
    
    Well it’s bloodyt obvious why.
    
    If your time at the trough looks like it might be coming to an end then in you jump- face first.
    
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    May 26, 2024 9:27am
- Flossie
  
  That woman lives in a bubble. She could try asking some of the other MPs who live in country electorates how often they can take a bus home. For example on the Coromandel peninsula we just don’t have public transport.
  I was thinking of these idealistic Green MPs yesterday as we spoke with a mum who had driven her kids (and a couple of team mates) an hour away to partake in a sports contest.
  How are we in these areas supposed to cope without cars?
  
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  May 26, 2024 10:23am
  - OlderChas
    
    JAG would suggest that you ride your bike?
    
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    May 26, 2024 10:54am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Agree Flossie.
    But it just goes to show how totally out of touch the Green Party people are with life out of their inner city urban enclaves.
    They want everything and give nothing.
    The rural- based parents of one of our grandchildren do whatever they can to get their rugby-mad child to the games on a Saturday morning.
    There are no public transport options.
    But their boy is up and ready by 8am, dressed in his kit , and looking forward to playing every Saturday. Sometimes it is a 45 minute trip or more and one of his parents often has to work on a Saturday.
    The boy is 6 years old.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:07am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  As most Green MPs have no constituency, can the list MPs be domiciled in Wellington and have a much reduced travel budget based on public transport between parliament and their homes in Wainuiomata ?.
  
  It’s clear from their travel that the Greens are totally abusing the privilege to do what ?, shoplift, protest, back terrorist organisations, abuse and assault people. Certainly it doesn’t appear much is being done to advance New Zealand.
  
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  May 26, 2024 11:24am
- AitchW
  
  Have these two X posts become ex posts? I can’t load either of them. Have her social media handlers pulled them so she won’t see the negative responses?
  
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  May 26, 2024 10:12pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Radio NZ reports that Immigration NZ is increasingly concerned about immigration fraud.

In other news, water is wet.
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May 26, 2024 8:07am
Chuck Bird

We must move towards tino rangatiratanga – it should be a touchstone for all New Zealanders – David Seymour

DS: It’s one of the strands that makes up my blended ancestry. I’m part Scottish and part English, it makes me think about the past. My Māori ancestors sailed across the Pacific Ocean with extraordinary skill and ability and built a society here in New Zealand. I think where I might be different from the way some people would answer that question is that being Māori doesn’t bind me. I could also look at various parts of my Scottish or English history. It’s only about 400 years since the English were burning people at the stake on suspicion of being witches. I don’t really want that part of my English history. I feel I can pick and choose and I feel the same about my Māori background.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/david-seymour-we-must-move-towards-tino-rangatiratanga-it-should-be-a-touchstone-for-all-new-zealanders/GZNGLJ3PSBCLTPHMS7CKMQ4STU/
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May 26, 2024 8:08am
- Muttonbird
  
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  This isn’t Scotland. It’s Aotearoa.
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:12am
  - Gravelroad
    
    This isn’t Aotearoa. It’s New Zealand.
    
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    May 26, 2024 10:55am
    - Jack5
      
      Like the sooty shearwater (Ardenna grisea) having separate NZ names for two languages: muttonbird and titi.
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:16am
- John Loveridge
  
  Dear David Seymour, your Scottish and English ancestors sailed across two, even three, oceans with extraordinary skill and ability to build a society here in New Zealand.
  
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  May 26, 2024 9:31am
  - Mike
    
    As did his Polynesian ancestors.
    
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    May 26, 2024 10:06am
    - wsk12345
      
      I guess the Polynesians weren’t the great navigators they say they are if they took 3 oceans to get from the pacific to the pacific.
      
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      May 26, 2024 10:50am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        They came from Tiawan.
        
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        May 26, 2024 1:59pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Thats “Taiwan” 🙂
        
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        May 26, 2024 2:09pm
    - AitchW
      
      I’ve asked this before and not had an answer, but did said Polynesians actually navigate here or did they just blunder across the islands in a blind voyage of exploration?
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:02am
      - Mike
        
        The techniques used by Polynesian navigators are well understood.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesian_navigation?wprov=sfla1
        
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        May 26, 2024 11:31am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Good point. If it were deliberate then some would have returned home or moved on to Australia etc.
        Maybe they were caught in a storm and made landfall here.
        
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        May 26, 2024 11:40am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I’ve often wondered why they didn’t navigate back. After the Moa was extinct and they were killing each other. I’m guessing that the necessary knowledge was lost over generations.
        
        If they could navigate from Polynesia to New Zealand in 1300 AD, you would think that by, say, 1600 AD they would have advanced ship building and navigation techniques. But it seems that did not happen.
        
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        May 26, 2024 11:50am
      - Mike
        
        There is limited evidence of return voyages.
        
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        May 26, 2024 12:03pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Maori lost the skills of ocean navigation and the construction of ocean-going vessels sometime after their arrival in NZ.
        
        The revival of ocean navigation skills on double-hulled waka has come recently via Hawaiians.
        
        https://e-tangata.co.nz/korero/hek-busby-voyages-of-rediscovery/
        
        (Interestingly enuf when Polynesians were first arriving in NZ, My lot had successfully transformed the Viking longship into the speedy and highly manoeuvrable West Highland galley. We’ve produced sailors, navigators, and sea captains ever after).
        
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        May 26, 2024 1:03pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        I suspect that navigational & ocean going canoe-building knowledge was lost down through the years at least in part through a combination of losing wars (and being eaten) & natural disaster (there’s evidence of significant tsunamis hitting the BoP in the 14th & 15th centuries that could have wiped out seaside villages, especially if they struck at night).
        
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        May 26, 2024 2:00pm
      - AitchW
        
        Maggie, don’t forget Chief Engineers.
        
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        May 26, 2024 5:56pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Aitch W
        Oh yes,
        
        How would the “Vital Spark” have fared without Dan?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFROv554UQ&list=PLqYzJxUXOdUhuJIo5J7po-2ZGhcNPv8SC
        
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        May 26, 2024 6:54pm
      - AitchW
        
        Maggie, and the Enterprise without Montgomery Scott?
        
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        May 26, 2024 9:26pm
      - AitchW
        
        Maggy, please accept my humblest apologies for misspelling your name.
        
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        May 26, 2024 10:14pm
    - greybeard
      
      The english and Scots did it deliberately: I suspect the maori did it accidentally whilst trying to get somewhere else. Or anywhere.
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:12am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Hawaiiki, where some Maori say they come from has been identified as Raeatea in French Polynesia. Kupe had been to the land we call New Zealand and returned – the Hokianga is where he left from for his return voyage. The Takatimu waka left from Takatimu Beach on Rarotanga – word of the new land had spread around all of Polynesia -there were multiple voyages between islands back then.
        
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        May 26, 2024 1:38pm
    - rouppe
      
      There’s no evidence that any skill was employed by Maori.
      
      It could have been blind luck after being banished from wherever it was.
      
      Notice that in that “rich oral history” that Maori have, the history stops dead at the arrival of the great waka. Why?
      
      Someone with the skills and tools that Maori had back then might have been able to point themselves in a consistent direction, but navigate?
      
      Navigation means you know where you are, and can leave and return to that place. As far as i know, navigation requires a timepiece, a sextant, and record keeping, in order to measure the different positions of the stars and sun as you move around the globe. Maori didn’t have any of those things.
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:18am
      - Mike
        
        You don’t appear to have looked for the evidence, which is ample.
        
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        May 26, 2024 11:34am
      - rouppe
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/diagram/2222/maori-star-compass
        
        Keeps a course. Not navigation.
        
        https://www.newzealand.com/int/feature/arrival-of-maori
        
        Using the stars and ocean currents as his navigational guides, he ventured across the Pacific on his waka hourua (voyaging canoe) from his ancestral Polynesian homeland of Hawaiki.
        You will not find Hawaiki on a map, but it is believed Māori came from an island or group of islands in Polynesia in the South Pacific Ocean.
        
        1. “In the South Pacific Ocean” is a huge generalization. If you’re going to navigate there and back, you need better than that.
        2. Using stars and ocean currents… the ocean currents are a huge anti clockwise circle in the South Pacific.
        https://oceantracks.org/library/the-north-pacific-ocean/major-currents
        If Ocean currents were employed by Kupe, then that’s more blind luck than it is navigation, but notwithstanding that, how do you then go back against those currents with a tiny, inefficient sail? Even the vikings needed visual landmarks on their 3-6 day journey from Denmark to England. Several weeks or months in the open ocean?
        
        Your turn.
        
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        May 26, 2024 12:28pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Finding Latitude is a relatively simple concept. In fact sailors travelling to Africa and India used a Ruler and piece of string.
        Longitude is impossible until the invention of an accurate chronometer.
        Sailing East / Westwards would rely on time of year and prevailing winds which produce currents.
        
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        May 26, 2024 4:44pm
      - CJames
        
        They do know that early Maori sailed back to the Polynesian islands because of stone from NZ found on the Kermadecs. Of more interest is why did Maori lose that skill of ocean travel. They even regressed between Abel Tasman and Cook.
        
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        May 26, 2024 5:11pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        Getting blown to the Kermadecs isn’t the same as navigating back to Hawaiiki, where ever that really was.
        
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        May 26, 2024 6:36pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        You do realize that there are 4 stars on a blue field on the New Zealand flag, right?
        It’s not a random choice.
        “Crux” the Sothern Cross, astral navigation, kind of important.
        
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        May 26, 2024 6:49pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So those Polynesian ancestors came to New Zealand by ocean?
      That can only mean one thing – Maori are immigrants, not indigenous.
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:39am
      - Mike
        
        Indigenous is a synonymous for aboriginal – the first human occupiers of a place.
        
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        May 26, 2024 12:01pm
      - Grunter
        
        Mike – there is ample accepted scientific evidence that Māori were not the ‘first occupiers’ in NZ. I would send you a referenced list but I know you’d never read them.
        
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        May 26, 2024 12:14pm
      - Swifty
        
        Mike is peddling a great deceit, but I’m not sure whether he knows it is or is just ignorant.
        
        Just ask yourself whether his purported definition of three word ‘indigenous’ was the meaning when he was at school. No, it wasn’t. The supposed meaning is one recently manufactured by the UN and others so Maori and others qualify and can be equated with the Native Americans and Aboriginals of Australia etc.
        
        The meaning of indigenous’ was until very recently ‘originating from or native to or naturally occurring in a place’. Now of course people claim Maori are ‘indigenous’ but only because the meaning has been changed so that they qualify.
        
        You only have to look at the cases of the dog and rat Maori brought with them to New Zealand – do we call them indigenous too? No of course we don’t, they are ‘introduced’.
        
        I suspect Mike knows this, he’s a clever guy, but for some reason he just refuses to concede it and continues his terminological inexactitude.
        
        Oh and by the UN’s new definition of indigenous the native Brits don’t qualify as indigenous! Many of their ancestors have been there for tens of thousands of years but they do not meet the UN’s definition of indigenous, but Maori who arrived here just a few hundreds of years before Whitey do!
        
        Shows you what an absolute perversion this whole thing is.
        
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        May 26, 2024 12:26pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mike,
        “used to refer to, or relating to, the people who originally lived in a place, rather than people who moved there from somewhere else”
        
        https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/indigenous.
        
        Get that? moved there from somewhere else. Different dictionaries say different things.
        Maori are IMMIGRANTS!
        
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        May 26, 2024 12:37pm
      - Mike
        
        Playing that game is to pretend all human peoples have equal status everywhere because their distant ancestors moved from somewhere else. This ignores the reality of conquest or colonization. It’s pretty clear that the situation differs from place to place. Some parts of the world get so thoroughly conquered or colonized that barely a trace of the original inhabitants remains.
        The Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Norse and Norman settlers in England no longer have any distinct identity as separate peoples. Maori in NZ do. NZ was the last major habitable land mass reached by humans – by the Polynesian navigators who became Maori.
        
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        May 26, 2024 1:15pm
      - Nobby2
        
        They came here by canoe, stayed here, so they are settlers. not indigenous.
        
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        May 26, 2024 1:16pm
      - Quail
        
        Draw your attention to Thor Heyerdahl s the Kon Tiki raft experiment on sea travel from South America to Polynesia.
        An experiment that was meant to prove the origin of Pacific people.
        It is not accepted today but was an example of past island hopping!
        
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        May 26, 2024 2:11pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There’s no Anglo-Saxon, Norman or any other Sassenach genes floating around in my DNA.
        
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        May 26, 2024 3:46pm
      - rouppe
        
        @Mike
        
        This ignores the reality of conquest or colonization.
        
        Conquest. Like Maori did to each other for centuries before.
        
        Māori warfare traditionally involved hand-to-hand combat, with weapons designed to kill. Reasons for war could be practical, such as for land or resources, but could also be to increase mana or as revenge for insults.
        
        Given this was the way well before European arrival, you’d have to have a very strong pair of rose tinted glasses to believe that if there had been other inhabitants present upon Maori arrival that they wouldn’t have been displaced in exactly the same way.
        
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        May 26, 2024 4:12pm
      - Mike
        
        As there were no humans here before the Polynesians, rouppe, that particular quibble doesn’t apply.
        
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        May 26, 2024 4:35pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      Mike – they didn’t build much of anything. That was the Europeans.
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:45pm
- cmm
  
  Exactly right.
  That is one of the successes of colonial societies. They blend the best of all the things that are put before them.
  
  Drop the stuff that doesn’t work and adopt the things that do work.
  
  But the main thing is to stop peddling bullshit like “Maori science” when there are alternatives.
  
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  May 26, 2024 9:31am
  - Mike
    
    Colonial societies can also blend the worst of things, or have a mix of good and bad things.
    
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- rouppe
  
  Interesting that he mentions English burning people at the stake 400 years ago, but not Maori enslaving, murdering and displacing.
  
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  May 26, 2024 11:11am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Maori clearly burned some people, but most were medium / well done.
    
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    May 26, 2024 12:16pm
blue collar

A friend recently told me that even if I’m right , we can’t do anything anyway .
This was in relation to the war on the west, . Strong white societies .
I said start somewhere .
If you hv kids at school get up them for the disgusting use of kids as protestors for the climate scam . Ramping up their anxiety . Cooking their minds
If you see a man in a dress leaving or entering a women’s changing room, or entering women’s sport sort him out , re educate him one way or another
Stand up for your Christian friends
Don’t vote for anyone promoting hate speech
Vote in local referendums about undemocratic race based wards
Write to your mp about puberty blockers
Next round of virus coerced injections insist on your employer or govt rep that requires it to sign your typed request to acknowledge their coercion as you don’t want it and a complete lab tested analysis of what’s in it .
No official will do that .

No one is powerless .
We can all do something
Even small things count

The biggest thing we can do is share the information of what’s going on and open eyes , create the groundswell .
We did well with our recent election .
It’s not over. This is a global attack
Will explain later
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May 26, 2024 8:24am
Tomtoddy

This is quite a formidable cv and work record. Skim through it.

I am Co-ordinating Lead Author of Chapter 18 of the Working Group 2 contribution to the Sixth Assessment Report of the IPCC (‘Climate Resilient Development Pathways’) as well as Drafting Author of the WG2 Summary for Policymakers, both published in February 2022. I was also a Lead Author in the Fifth Assessment Report (WG2, Ch21), and Co-Editor of the WG2 Glossary, as well as a Lead Author in the Special Report on Managing Extreme Events – SREX (Ch2).

I am the Co-Editor of the journal Climate and Development (Taylor and Francis), where I was one of the founding Associate Editors. I sit on the Editorial Boards of the journals World Development Perspectives (Elsevier) and Global Transitions – Health (KeAi). I am an Associate Editor of Mitigation and Adaptation Strategies for Global Change (Springer).
I currently sit on the Science Committee of the Adaptation Futures Conference 2023, and the CLARE Advisors Group, as well as the Reference Group of the OECD Adaptation Governance work programme. During 2022, I am also on the Editorial Board of 10 New Insights in Climate Science.

That is about half her list of credentials and accomplishments. She is clearly a very influential person in the IPCC and its work.

What does she do for a day job? “I teach on climate justice, decolonising and diversifying knowledge. I am a strong advocate of social science and gender balance in science and academia”. Doesn’t fill you with confidence that the IPCC just produces sound science of greenhouse gases, does it?
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May 26, 2024 8:25am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Can you please provide a link so we know who you are referring to?
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:29am
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    https://www.eci.ox.ac.uk/person/dr-lisa-schipper
    
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    May 26, 2024 8:35am
    - kevn
      
      Tom… All that is missing is the list of ID pronouns at the end.
      Lots of I, I, I, I, I’s though. Plus Ai I suspect.
      
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      May 26, 2024 8:47am
    - All_on_Red
      
      With respect Tom, her background isnt that impressive. She has only done a couple of Papers.
      Contrast her with Dr Judith Curry.
      ‘ Judith A. Curry (born c. 1953) is an American climatologist and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. Her research interests include hurricanes, remote sensing, atmospheric modeling, polar climates, air-sea interactions, climate models, and the use of unmanned aerial vehicles for atmospheric research. She was a member of the National Research Council’s Climate Research Committee,[1] published over a hundred scientific papers, and co-edited several major works.[‘
      ‘Curry graduated cum laude from Northern Illinois University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science (B.S.) degree in geography. She earned her geophysical sciences Ph.D. from the University of Chicago in 1982.[6]’
      Curry is a Professor Emeritus and former Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology;[7] she held the latter position from 2002 to 2013.[8]’
      Curry served on NASA Advisory Council Earth Science Subcommittee whose mission was to provide advice and recommendations to NASA on issues of program priorities and policy. She was a member of the NOAA Climate Working Group from 2004 to 2009, a member of the National Academies Space Studies Board from 2004 to 2007, and a member of the National Academies Climate Research Group from 2003 to 2006.[6]
      
      Before moving to Georgia, Curry was professor of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of Colorado-Boulder, and had previously held faculty positions at Penn State University, Purdue, and the University of Wisconsin-Madison.[6] Curry was active in researching possible connections between hurricane intensity and global warming.[11][12] Her research group did research linking the size of hurricanes and resulting damage that showed that, among other things, the size of the hurricanes was an important factor in determining the number of tornadoes spawned by the system.[13] Among her awards is the Henry G. Houghton Research Award from the American Meteorological Society in 1992,[14] and a Presidential Young Investigator Award from the National Science Foundation in 1988.[6]’
      Curry co-authored Thermodynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans (1999), and co-edited Encyclopedia of Atmospheric Sciences (2002). She has published over 130 scientific peer-reviewed papers.[14]’
      
      I believe Chuck is a fan. 😉
      
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      May 26, 2024 8:50am
      - kevn
        
        AllOn…. Count me in as well.
        
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        May 26, 2024 9:10am
      - Tomtoddy
        
        You are correct A-0-R – it is not impressive but my point is that she is playing a major role in determining complex scientific outcomes and imposing severe penalties on countries like ours when her credentials are focused on gender and equality issues.
        
        We deserve better, especially our farmers who face hefty costs based on pseudo-science emanating from ditzy outfits like this one.
        
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        May 26, 2024 9:13am
      - kowtow
        
        TT
        
        If the UN spent its time on building civil , democratic societies in all those shitholes and dictatorships that get to vote in the General Assembly or have vetoes on the Security Council , instead of on the weather , the world might be a better place.
        
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        May 26, 2024 9:30am
      - lifesgood
        
        Honorary research assistant…LOL! Nothing much at all.
        
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- All_on_Red
  
  The Summary for Policymakers tends to be the propaganda part of the report…
  And of course the good news about Extreme Events is that the frequency is decreasing.
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:37am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That is incorrect. The frequency of extreme weather events has increased dramatically over the last 30 years. So have insured losses.
    
    https://www.swissre.com/press-release/New-record-of-142-natural-catastrophes-accumulates-to-USD-108-billion-insured-losses-in-2023-finds-Swiss-Re-Institute/a2512914-6d3a-492e-a190-aac37feca15b
    
    The main driver surprised me. It is increasing frequency of severe thunderstorms.
    
    We can debate the cause all day, but there is no question that extreme weather events are steadily increasing.
    
    EDIT What has decreased is the loss of life from weather disasters. Due to better weather forecasting and better capacity in most countries to move people before they drown.
    
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    May 26, 2024 10:05am
    - PurplePen
      
      IPCC’s sixth assessment report AR6, from table 12.12 in chapter 12 (working group 1).
      
      The report concludes that a signal of climate change has not yet emerged beyond natural variability for the following phenomena:
      · River floods
      · Heavy precipitation and pluvial floods
      · Landslides
      · Drought (all types)
      · Severe wind storms
      · Tropical cyclones
      · Sand and dust storms
      · Heavy snowfall and ice storms
      · Hail
      · Snow avalanche
      · Coastal flooding
      · Marine heat waves
      (Summarised by Roger Pielke jr, with source: IPCC AR6 WG1 Chapter 12 Table 12.12).
      
      Here in NZ there’s similarly not much to see. The latest climate indicators from Stats NZ:
      o The annual average of the daily maximum wind gust (windiness) likely or very likely decreased at 12 of 14 sites across New Zealand between 1980 and 2019 – Extreme wind | Stats NZ.
      
      o Maximum rainfall in a single day decreased at 10 and increased at 9 sites with no change at the remaining 11 – Extreme rainfall | Stats NZ.
      
      o Between 1997 and 2019 very high and extreme fire danger days likely or very likely increased at 12 and decreased at 8 of 28 sites across New Zealand, with no trend at 8. – Wildfire risk | Stats NZ.
      
      o Warm days likely or very likely increased at 24 and frost days decreased at 18 of 30 sites across New Zealand between 1972 and 2019 – Frost and warm days | Stats NZ
      
      NZ’s Professor James Renwick provided the input relevant to NZ to the IPCC 5th Assessment Report (2014) (“AR5”) regarding projected climate changes in New Zealand with the chapter editor being ex NIWA head, David Wratt. Based on his assessment the IPCC included this statement in the concluding paragraph to Chapter 14 of AR5:
      
      “It is very likely that temperatures will continue to rise over New Zealand. Precipitation is likely to increase in western regions in winter and spring, but the magnitude of change is likely to remain comparable to that of natural climate variability through the rest of the century. In summer and autumn, it is as likely as not that precipitation amounts will change.”
      
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      May 26, 2024 10:19am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I’m don’t care what the IPCC says. I trust data from reinsurers. The link that I quoted is from Swiss Re. Their data says that the frequency of extreme weather events has increased. Did you read it?
        
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        May 26, 2024 11:55am
      - jkt
        
        Yu: I think you are the one that should read that report again.
        The climate (“extreme weather events”) frequency thing is clearly speculation. Follow the money and it is no surprise that the insurance industry brings this up in every report.
        
        Follow your own advice to PurplePen and read it again and you will see it for yourself. Speculation.
        
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        May 26, 2024 2:51pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yes insurance costs are up because its expensive to replace houses.
      I recall you could get a house built for $850 psqm. Its now over $4000
      But according to NOAA ,Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (the people who actually measure and record Hurricanes) and the IPCC in AR6, the trend over the past 70 years is that the frequency is down but intensity is projected to occur occaisonally
      
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      May 26, 2024 10:29am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Should say above the ‘upward frequency is down’
        Note on the graphs Fig 2 shows a marked decline from the 40’s to 80’s
        
        ‘We find that, after adjusting for such an estimated number of missing storms, there remains just a small nominally positive trend (not statistically significant) in tropical storm occurrence from 1878-2006 (Figure 2, from Vecchi and Knutson 2008). Landsea et al. (2010) expanded on this work, noting that the rising trend in (unadjusted) Atlantic tropical storm counts is almost entirely due to increases in short-duration (<2 day) storms alone. Such short-lived storms were particularly likely to have been overlooked in the earlier parts of the record, as they would have had less opportunity for chance encounters with ship traffic.
        
        Figure 3 (click to enlarge). Normalized (unit standard deviation) indices of tropical Atlantic hurricane frequency before (blue) and after (red) adjustment for estimated missing storms. Orange: U.S. landfalling hurricanes. Green: global or tropical Atlantic surface temperature. Green: tropical Atlantic relative sea surface temperature compared to tropical mean sea surface temperature. Updated from Vecchi and Knutson (2011).
        
        Figure 4 (click to enlarge). Ratio of Atlantic major hurricanes (Cat 3-5) to all hurricanes (Cat 1-5). Gray curve is prior to adjustment; blue curves include an adjustment for estimated missing storms. From Vecchi et al. 2021. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
        This same general methodology has since been applied to Atlantic basin hurricanes (Vecchi and Knutson 2011) and major hurricanes (Vecchi et al. 2021). Atlantic basin hurricanes (Fig. 3, blue curve), show a weak rising trend since the late 1800s, but assuming there are no missing hurricanes in earlier years. After adjusting for a likely under-count of hurricanes in the pre-satellite era (Fig. 3, red curve) there is essentially no long-term trend in hurricane counts.
        
        The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S. landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, orange curve). U.S. landfalling hurricane frequency is much less common than basin-wide frequency, meaning that the U.S. landfalling hurricane record, while more reliable than the basin-wide record, suffers from degraded signal-to-noise characteristics for assessing trends. The U.S. landfalling hurricane series (which has no “missing” storm adjustments) is similar to the adjusted basin-wide Atlantic hurricane counts in terms of its lack of century-scale trend (Fig. 3). Emanuel (2021) found that U.S. landfalling tropical cyclone frequency and power dissipation–for storms whose lifetime maximum winds exceeded 21 m/sec–had a period of unusually high activity from around 2004 to 2010 compared to the record extending into the late 1800s. It is not known if this represents an early sign of a climate change signal toward greater future U.S landfalling tropical cyclone activity or not.
        
        Concerning Atlantic basin-wide major (Category 3-5) hurricanes, Vecchi et al. (2021) conclude that their counts also show little evidence of a long-term increase (since the 1880s) after accounting for changes in observing system capabilities; they also show that U.S. landfalling major hurricanes (with no adjustment) have no significant increasing trend since the late 1800s.'
        https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
        
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        May 26, 2024 10:37am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I can find over 200 studies that analyse the increasing incidence of severe weather events.
        
        There is something about the subject of “climate” that triggers many commenters on this blog to lose rationality. I have never been able to understand why.
        
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        May 26, 2024 3:14pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      That link refers to natural disasters, including earthquakes, so not just ‘climate’ disasters.
      It also says this…
      “This reconfirms the 30-year loss trend that’s been driven by the accumulation of assets in regions vulnerable to natural catastrophes”. (so not climate)
      It talks a lot about what they _expect_ to happen (or due to happen) due to changes in the climate.
      Also, given that ‘climate’ is defined to be (something like) an average of weather over a 30 year period, I think it’s difficult to conclude that changes within a 30 year period are positive proof of a change in the longer term trend, and will continue into the future.
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:36am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I took account of the earthquakes.
        
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        May 26, 2024 11:57am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        That link provides another link to some report about natural disasters in 2023. In it there is a pretty picture showing where they think are the causes for the increase in insured losses. For ‘Climate Change!”, they show a “high level estimate” of 1% (out of the 8%).
        https://www.swissre.com/institute/research/sigma-research/sigma-2024-01.html
        
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        May 26, 2024 1:26pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      What exactly are we looking at here? Is it an effect of the reality or an effect of the measuring system?
      As there is more valuable stuff which is being insured then naturally there will be more insurance claims for the destruction of valuable stuff.
      Who was measuring extreme weather events in the sub-Antarctic islands in the 18th century, let alone in the Pleistocene epoch?
      
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- Inandout
  
  Tom, her air travel miles must be considerable.
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:52am
- Taieri
  
  What does she do for a day job?
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  Steals oxygen…
  
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  May 26, 2024 9:10am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  Typical academic puffery. Most of those committees will meet rarely and are rubber stampers, much of the work she claims will be done mostly by students with her name on the papers.
  
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  May 26, 2024 9:28am
- jkt
  
  She responded to the global warming science poll.
  She was one of the scientists “20%” “climate scientists” who said it will be more than 3 degrees warmer in 2100.
  This “consensus group of climate scientists working on IPCC projects” picked numbers between 1 degree and more than 7 degrees of warming by 2100, with the bulk opting for a number between 1.5 and 2 degrees.
  
  Do something, urgently….!
  
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  May 26, 2024 12:51pm
sirknz

In today’s episode of ‘Wonderfulness’, we have Rob Small using ‘centuries old knowledge’ to garden, and it definitely has nothing to do with his work history.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/home-property/350286279/gardener-uses-centuries-old-horticulture-knowledge

I’m amazed at all the native fruits and vegetables he is growing in traditional ways. We have cabbage, and plans for pears and apples to ne planted.

I like the bit where he acknowledges his ancestors had no concept of North, South , East or West, but like every other stone age group, they had some understanding of the seasons…
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May 26, 2024 8:28am
- John Loveridge
  
  The Maoris were Stone Age hunter gatherers. Other than a few kumaras, they practised almost no horticulture and certainly no agriculture. There was a lot of slash and burn (approximately 50% of New Zealand’s forest cover had been removed by the arrival of the first Europeans), species were hunted to extinction, pests were introduced (rats and mice), and much land and many fisheries were exhausted. Marsden’s settlers noted that virtually every headland and promontory was covered in fortifications. Why would that be? The story of the efforts of these early settlers to teach the Bay of Islands Maoris how to grow and harvest wheat is almost comical.
  
  The whole bullshit theme of wonderful, wise, peaceful indigenes living at one with nature is very tiresome.
  
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  May 26, 2024 10:25am
  - Mike
    
    I find Belich’s theme of the ‘red Maori’ vs the ‘green Maori’ and other myths to be a useful introduction to thinking about the different ways people prefer to understand differing societies.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Mice were not introduced to NZ by the Polynesian settlers…. only kiore- The Polynesisn rat.
    
    Mice arrived here on boats from Europe and Asia.
    The first record of them in NZ is from the 1820s… arriving from the shipwreck of “henrietta” on Ruapeke Island, but they were probably here earlier than that (from 1790s).
    
    The diverse origins of New Zealand house mice
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2674344/
    
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    May 26, 2024 5:26pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Beg pardon, I stand corrected.
      
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      May 26, 2024 6:42pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      And the Maori dog
      
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      May 26, 2024 9:18pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Interesting one of the pictures shows cabbage and other introduced vegetables, the article talks about espalier apples and citrus trees.
  All introduced by those nasty colonisers.
  If the, admittedly impressive gardens were decolonised would they be so good looking.
  
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  May 26, 2024 11:05am
greenfinger

Why are the Greens such angry people? First there was “white cis men” comment which Davidson still haven’t apologised to NZ public, then came JulieAnn Genter with her “one foot from your face” shouty moment in Parliament, followed by Ricardo unprovoked f-bomb moment. There are so many more which I suspect have yet come to light. They keep offering this lame excuse about being passionate about the subject. It shows that these people are half a bubble off the plumb and are not fit for public office.
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- imalwaysright
  
  Jerry should get passionate about the standards of Parliament and perhaps get them back to where they used to be.
  
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  May 26, 2024 11:03am
  - Mike
    
    Is it too early for him to get his knighthood and replace his chum Trevor in Dublin?
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:42am
- kowtow
  
  If you haven’t already, then check the Ani OBrien video of Swarbrick at the pro Hamas Auckland protest that Phil Tywford had to have a police escort out of.
  
  She looked and sounded unhinged.
  
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  May 26, 2024 2:25pm
  - AitchW
    
    Chloe is prone to screeching. Her performance after the general election appeared verging on unhinged.
    
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    May 26, 2024 7:07pm
Chuck Bird

If we could magically not emit any CO2 we could still get a big sea level rise due to underwater volcanos near Antarctica.

Judith Curry | Clip | Mind the Shift clips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgZS60mmq7U
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May 26, 2024 8:35am
- Mike
  
  We could be hit by an asteroid.
  
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  May 26, 2024 10:09am
  - imalwaysright
    
    We will be hit by an asteroid.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:04am
    - Mike
      
      Elon Musk will save humanity by colonizing Mars.
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:43am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I wonder what would happen if we, in the meantime, implemented his Direct Democracy system of governance worldwide?
        
        https://www.theverge.com/2016/6/2/11837590/elon-musk-mars-government-direct-democracy-law-code-conference
        
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        May 26, 2024 1:12pm
      - jkt
        
        Mars will be hit by an asteroid.
        
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        May 26, 2024 3:02pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      We are constantly being hit by asteroids
      
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      May 26, 2024 7:04pm
      - Mike
        
        Fortunately not asteroids of a size, or of a frequency, to threaten humanity
        
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        May 26, 2024 7:27pm
Bridgenag

Testosterone
and male health

“Studies in older men have documented that men with lower testosterone levels have a higher prevalence and incidence of cognitive decline and dementia, including Alzheimer’s disease. Furthermore, endocrine disruptors in foods and the environment cause a reduction in sperm counts, the quality of sperm, and can cause benign testicular tumors.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/testosterone?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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May 26, 2024 8:38am
- Inandout
  
  Brid, this somewhat explains why Biden is demented as opposed to the ‘pussy grabber’
  
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  May 26, 2024 8:56am
- thirteenstars
  
  Men, lift heavy things. Muscle mass declines strongly from your 40s onwards. Very difficult to regain but easy to lose. Even a week’s bed rest can rob you of essential strength. Walking the wife’s chihuahua ain’t enough.
  
  Eat more protein, at least 1.5g per kg of body weight. When young protein synthesis is driven by hormones which older men no longer have in great abundance, therefore you must eat more. Great for weight loss as protein is very satiating. Reduce your carbs. Eat your wife’s chihuahua if you have to. Replace with tabby.
  
  Stay strong. Even apparently small things like grip strength are indicators of early decline and death. Move. Lift. Eat. Do it with other men of like minds. Find a Men’s Shed, or just build one; others will come.
  
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  May 26, 2024 9:11am
  - PurplePen
    
    I do lots of gripping on my own so I’ll be right.
    
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    May 26, 2024 10:21am
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      Eyesight OK?
      
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      May 26, 2024 12:39pm
      - PurplePen
        
        oddly enough I’ve needed to get glasses only just in the last 3 years! bugger .. nothing in life that’s fun is free.
        
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        May 26, 2024 4:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Eat more cholesterol…… the precursor of testosterone in men.
    
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279000/figure/andro-phys-pharm-abs.F1/
    
    Most cholesterol in our body is in our brains.
    
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    May 26, 2024 1:18pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I’m 80 and still playing tennis.
    
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    May 26, 2024 2:03pm
blue collar

The attack on the west is across the board .
Anything with strength in it .
Destroy the family unit
-kids encouraged to call cops or mark on parents
—can’t stop them taking puberty blockers ( parent not in charge )
-women financially encouraged to be a single mum

Indoctrination of children before they can think for themselves
-Marxism in schools
-white man bad racist teachings in schools , colonialism here , slavery elsewhere
-kids anxiety ramped up with climate scare , encouraged to take day off to protest

Attack on Christianity
-it’s fine to hammer the Catholics et al , murder their priests , all negative press along the way

Deliberate immigration of undesirables to screw up strong white nations
-USA , Europe …. Aussie on the way but it’s harder to do the island nations down here
Cindy tried , imported mass cleaners and non English speaking Syrians on our economy
-once numbers are high enough they can literally vote us out in our own countries
-economic catastrophe
-strain on ingrastructire
– social disorder

Promoting DEI as basis for appointments in govt and corporate
-no more hiring on merit
-weakens our govt , institutions and corporate gdp growers
-lower thresholds to pass for races to say …. Be a doctor . 80% Māori / pasifika / refugee , 90% whites / rural .
-compulsory allocations , 30% Māori/pasifika
-weaken the actual armies through diversity hires

Economies under attack
– deliberate massive debt using the Covid fear vehicle
– result is enslavement to IMF and typically results in sale of govt ( our ) assets
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End free speech
-ongoing attempts to officially end free speech using terroist rules or hurt my feelings rules .
Think Cindy’s Christchurch call nd England and Ireland’s new rules

Censorship
-the only free speech platforms are X and til tok
-during Covid twitter was complicit along with Facebook , instagram , google ,etc
– bought and paid for media promoting payees view point

Attack on food supply
-coming to a farm near you , introduce a non fatal disease then kill everything . Think Michigan and oz bird flu , mad cow …. It’s on its way to create control

Attack on power grid
-cyber
-intentional big push for electric everything yet no new fossil fuel or hydro projects , shut down by useful idiots ( greens ,maori , indoctrinated others ) , no nuclear , only unreliable inadequate wind and solar .

Probably missed a lot , but you get the nist of it .

It’s happening now , start fighting back
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May 26, 2024 9:00am
blue collar

Attack on sovereignty
-using IMF , WHO ,WEF ….. ceding control to unelected officials …. A-la Europe .

Missed this one earlier .

Trump and musk are key to ending this war on strong white societies .
Expect something major before USA election to stop trump . He’s a threat . They are and will try anything .
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May 26, 2024 9:09am
imalwaysright

Jack Tame said to Erica Stanford that increasing student attendance could make teachers more ill!
Journalist of the year…
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May 26, 2024 9:14am
- Chuck Bird
  
  He also asked her about trans. She should have told him if you have a dick you are not a chick.
  
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  May 26, 2024 2:05pm
Yvette

Sometimes there are three sides to a debate:
the person ‘for’, the party ‘against’, and the Truth –

The demand for firearms was such that tribes carried out raids on their neighbours to acquire more heads to trade for them. While most early Toi moko sold to Europeans were slain warriors, eventually demand from European traders outstripped supply, so the heads of slaves and prisoners were tattooed (though with meaningless motifs rather than genuine moko) in order to provide heads to order. The peak years of the trade in mokomokai were from 1820 to 1831. In 1831 the Governor of New South Wales issued a proclamation banning further trade in heads out of New Zealand, and during the 1830s the demand for firearms diminished because every surviving group was fully armed. By 1840 when the Treaty of Waitangi was signed, and New Zealand became a British colony, the export trade in mokomokai had virtually ended, along with a decline in the use of moko in Māori society, although occasional small-scale trade continued for several years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokomokai

Willie Jackson’s speech – Oxford Debate …

From Cook’s first visit, Europeans were fascinated by the heads, which had traditionally been preserved to remember honoured ancestors (and enemies). Such was the level of European demand to take mokomokai back home as curios, and such was the need of iwi to barter for muskets to defend themselves during the musket wars, that an awful trade in the mokomokai of slaves grew up until it was banned by Māori and British leaders.

For 200 years, the remains of our ancestors have lain in distant lands, in the archives of museums and other collections. Many have been returned but the British Museum still holds seven mokomokai
Many of our people believe those seven mokomokai speak to us and call out to us to come home.I implore you, on behalf of my people, to honour the partnership agreement between Maori and the British Crown, that is the Treaty of Waitangi, and let our ancestors come home.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2024/05/24/full-speech-willie-jackson-oxford-debate/

I thank this historic space and powerful debating chamber for the privilege of allowing a working class son from the bottom of the planet to stand amongst you and remind you all of how awful you’ve been to us first nation peoples.

My great grandfather Fred Jackson came from Leicester …

I wonder how many of Willie Jackson’s utterances on the Treaty and te Ao Maori (the Maori traditional/religious worldview) also not actually lie, but just omit the truth
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May 26, 2024 9:22am
- Mike
  
  [Mod – give the trolling a break]
  
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  May 26, 2024 10:12am
  - graham
    
    Uptick for the mod!
    
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    May 26, 2024 1:10pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Way to go Willie, that’s how to get the audience on side with you.
  
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  May 26, 2024 10:30am
- jacthecat
  
  ‘…an awful trade in the mokomokai of slaves …’ – slaves? Maori had slaves? Tell us more Willie.
  
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  May 26, 2024 12:48pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The great thing about these slaves is that from the 1810s they provided a revenue stream as well as protein. Bonus!
  
  Of course, the trade was shutdown by the Governor of NSW (banning free trade – how dare he!), & was done & dusted pre 1840. No matter which way you cut it, this trade is completely on Maori. If they want the heads back in NZ, it should be for iwi to put their hands in their pockets & buy them back.
  
  As to eating people, not to mention cynically tattooing them beforehand (which suggests that they would have been enslaved young) – it doesn’t bear thinking about. We should remember that each head represents a human, whether honoured ancestor or slave.
  
  It would be good to hear an apology from iwi leaders for these atrocities.
  
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  May 26, 2024 2:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Honoured ancestors…..
  
  It was common for preserved heads of tribal enemies to be set up on the Marae and reviled or mocked.
  
  A missionary, Rev W Yate recorded the following speech by a warrior to the preserved head of an enemy chief: You wanted to run away didn’t you? but my greenstone club overtook you! and after you were cooked you were made food for me!.
  
  And where is your father? he is cooked
  And where is your brother? he is eaten.
  And where is your wife? there she sits, a wife for me.
  And where are your children? there they are [gap — reason: illegible] loads on their backs carrying food as my slaves.
  
  https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-TeIMoko.html
  
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  May 26, 2024 3:41pm
  - jkt
    
    Nothing strange about Europeans who came into contact with Maori being fascinated with these artefacts.
    I remember buying greenstone jewellery and All Black scarfs. A different time, I guess.
    
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    May 26, 2024 5:20pm
- jkt
  
  Yvette: Surely he did not say that!
  Disgraceful!
  Signing off with “how awful you’ve been to us First Nation people.” What a cheek.
  
  A cheeky Leicesterian! Shame on you Willie Jackson.
  
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  May 26, 2024 5:37pm
  - Mike
    
    Everyone know that someone can’t be a real Maori with any quantum of European ancestry.
    Same goes for youse fullahs pretending to be Scots, Irish or English.
    
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    May 26, 2024 6:28pm
blue collar

Nicky Minaj just been arrested
The p Diddy fallout is progresssing .
Epstein isn’t over . It’s coming , gotta get all your ducks in a row first .
The elites know the gig is up .
Expect resignations and disappearances , isn’t that right Mr Schwab ?
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May 26, 2024 9:23am
John Loveridge

Can anything still be built and/or opened in New Zealand without a Maori name and all the accompanying Maori bollocks?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2024/05/te-puaw-nanga-motat-s-new-7-4-million-science-and-technology-centre-opens-to-public.html
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May 26, 2024 9:35am
- Taieri
  
  Can anything still be built and/or opened in New Zealand without a Maori name
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  Yes. Jails.
  
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  May 26, 2024 9:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hinaki = Jail. Can’t get out!
    
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    May 26, 2024 12:05pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Hinaki is a trap for catching eels. 🙂
      
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      May 26, 2024 1:56pm
      - jkt
        
        Remutaka. A place to sit down and rest.
        
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        May 26, 2024 5:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes it is, and the eels can’t get out!
        
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        May 27, 2024 10:29am
- Cantabrian
  
  It might not be quite so bad if the Maori language could use words instead of sentences to describe things. I see also that there is a tendency to include first names when naming things after native people. The new name for ‘Epuni St’ in Wellington is so long I can’t remember it, but it does include Te Puni’s first name. Whoever would think of naming a street ‘Wilberforce Highflyer’?
  
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  May 26, 2024 10:56am
- mandk
  
  It’s ironic that MOTAT should have a Maori name, when Maori had no land transport and technology that never progressed beyond the Stone Age.
  
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  May 26, 2024 12:41pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    If you look at their website MOTAT has been infected by the same rampant Maorification affecting other institutions with, at best, only the most gossamer-thin links to anything actually Maori. Take a look at the Dark Sky Project in Tekapo – their website has a sizeable amount of bullshit about “Maori astronomy”.
    
    For me, the latest discoveries in astrophysics and astronomy are infinitely interesting, but not the simple animalistic myths of a Stone Age people staring credulously at the night sky.
    
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    May 26, 2024 6:54pm
    - Ghost
      
      Of course dark sky have Māori astronomy on it, it is owned by Ngāi Tahu
      
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      May 26, 2024 7:10pm
    - Mike
      
      Don’t know about you, but I find the history of astronomy very interesting. Stonehenge Carterton is well worth a visit.
      
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      May 26, 2024 7:30pm
thirteenstars

And here we have it: “the processes of Treaty settlements themselves cause another variety of harm”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgJPkWSkr_Q

This is the endgame, folks. The perpetual grievance industry. It can’t end because if it does the Marxists will have to find a new axe to grind. After decades the real land grievances are coming to an end but as Green Nutter #5 says above, a whole bunch of new grievances stemming directly from the settlement process itself must be addressed. It’s grievances all the way down.

And lest you think, oh, that’s just the Greens, no, it isn’t. They are the kakariki in the cultural coalmine, the tip of the slippery iceberg. This bullshit is fed to tertiary, secondary and primary school students each and every day in a hundred subtle and not-so subtle ways.

Tama Potaka, National Minister for Maori Affairs, is one such bird:

https://www.youtube.com/watchv=m54OhQzXps8

10,000 settlement obligations outstanding, eh?

I think Tama’s going to need a bigger tiki around his neck.
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May 26, 2024 9:37am
- pdm
  
  Hard to know where Tama Potaka sits.
  
  He seems to have a foot in two camps and is not properly fulfilling the role of a Cabinet Minister as he should.
  
  Disappointing for a Te Aute College old boy and former Head Prefect.
  
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  May 26, 2024 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is an activist. Maori have infested the Public Sector of NZ. Potaka is a National MP.
    
    Potaka, the Waitangi Tribunal, the Coup, and The National Party’s Loss Of Control (Part 1)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBPXxi4tDVM
    
    There are 6 Parts so far.
    
    https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/potaka-the-waitangi-tribunal-the-coup-and-the-national-partys-loss-of-control/
    
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    May 26, 2024 12:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Minister for Children explains why Section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act needs to be repealed

This may be hard and uncomfortable to hear, but I will never make excuses for those who choose to harm our most precious gifts. I’m not here to use lazy arguments of racism being to blame for the loss of our precious children. I never want to see another child torn from a loving home for life because the caregivers are the wrong race, and I never want to see another traumatised child sent back to their abusers because they are the right race. That is what section 7AA has contributed to and I am proud to repeal it.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2024/05/25/putting-children-first/#more-29188
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May 26, 2024 9:47am
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  The minister was clearly too scared to spout such bullshit to the Waitangi tribunal.
  
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  May 26, 2024 10:14am
  - rouppe
    
    Mike,
    
    Your views on my intentions are of no interest to me.
    
    So if you demanded i go to some place and submit to your questioning I’d tell you to go eat shit as well.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:30am
    - Mike
      
      Comprehension fail, unless you are purporting to be the minister.
      
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      May 26, 2024 12:07pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      Mikey has a hard time understanding the difference between a summons and a request.
      For example, Maggy once told Mikey that if he didn’t stop harassing her she would report him to the proper authorities who actually have the power to summon him to court and not just make a request.
      
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      May 26, 2024 12:36pm
  - peterwn
    
    She did not want to be told off, gaslit and harangued by a bunch of grumpy old people. She was not going to be told she was not a *real* Maori. As far as they are concerned she has no mana and can be treated like a piece of trash. That is why she did not go. And Shane Jones (another Maori) calls the Waitangi Tribunal the ‘Star Chamber’. In that description he is spot on.
    
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    May 26, 2024 12:35pm
  - mandk
    
    I used to think you were just a smartarse, Mike, but you have clearly joined the nasty and part of the left.
    
    In my view, Karen Chhour is one of the most courageous women in the land.
    
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    May 26, 2024 12:37pm
  - Nobby2
    
    She speaks from a lived life point of view. She speaks with a genuine passion. She does not let the haters get to her. She speaks for the large silent majority. She has more MANA than all of the maori party and green party members and the media hacks. She has my respect.
    
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    May 26, 2024 1:47pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    Mike, the only “bullshit” is your tedious trolling, which is getting very boring. If you have a different view then try formulating an actual argument. Oh right – you can’t.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:58pm
Bridgenag

Debunking the lie that COVID “vaccines” saved any lives once and for all
No more speculation. We finally have the evidence to prove it from the official source.

“It’s rather sad that we weren’t taken seriously at the time and that it has taken so long for the correct data to be released because, for sure, there were many more thousands of lives lost as a result of non-informed consent to the gene therapy experiment.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/debunking-the-lie-that-covid-vaccines?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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May 26, 2024 9:59am
- kevn
  
  Bridge… It just won’t go away will it.
  https://quoththeraven.substack.com/p/what-really-happened-lockdown-until
  
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  May 26, 2024 10:57am
  - JackRabbit
    
    It was a plan to sell vaccines, that was so cunning, you could pin a tail on it and call it a pandemic response.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He should be in jail, so should the “Safe and Effective” person who sold it to NZ.
      
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      May 26, 2024 12:22pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  We can play this game all day.
  
  Deaths involving COVID in the UK have been lower for all age groups in vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated. Every month since the vaccine was rolled out.
  
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  Monthly age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) have been consistently lower for all months since booster introduction in September 2021 for people who had received a third dose or booster at least 21 days ago, compared with unvaccinated people and those with just a first or second dose.”
  
  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween1april2021and31may2023
  
  I am choosing the UK because they have the best data.
  
  The author who you quote has a record of misrepresenting data on covid. He is described by this statistician as “an angry man with a spreadsheet”.
  
  https://nealokelly-41602.medium.com/one-man-and-his-spreadsheet-7511e95439fb
  
  I’ll pay attention if he submits his analysis to two qualified statisticians for peer review.
  
  BTW anyone who describes the vaccines as “gene therapy” is either misinformed or lying.
  
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  May 26, 2024 11:02am
  - wsk12345
    
    I’m curious why you think they are not gene therapy. Surly something that edits your DNA is, by definition, gene therapy?!
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:10am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Many people believe what they are told.
      
      I’m constantly surprised by the number of experts, including medical experts, who cannot define what a virus is, what bacteriophages are, and the DNA implications.
      
      The original discovery of “viruses” occurred at the same time of the discovery of the bacteriophage. Bacteriophages are considered viruses.
      
      Bacteriophages are natures nanobots that keep us safe from the bulk of bacteria.
      
      “The term “Phage” is short for bacteriophage. The term “phage” itself literally means “to eat.” A bacteriophage is a virus that reproduces within a bacterium – it infects bacteria by attaching a hollow protein tail to a bacteria cell wall, injecting DNA (or sometimes, RNA) into the cell. Bacteriophages live at the expense of the bacteria they inhabit, and in most cases eventually kill their bacterial hosts.”
      
      Protein Tail = Spike Protein.
      
      Furthermore very few do not know the research and experiments that have been going on for over 100 years to hijack and reprogram bacteriophages and their DNA altering functions and spike proteins.
      
      No virus has even been isolated as a full sample. What the experts “claim” are viruses are simply cellular reside left over after a bacteriophage has done its job of terminating the bacteria.
      
      There is so much happening at a a microscopic nanobot level that science is still scratching the surface.
      
      Claiming a virus was responsible for the illness like looking a fire scene from a drone or google earth, after the fire has been put out, seeing Fire Engines, and concluding that the Fire Engines caused the fire.
      
      Big Pharma knows this and as I have stated they have been trying to hijack bacteriophage technology for over 100 years, both to use as universal vaccine and drug delivery as well as DNA modification to “treat” individuals based on their DNA.
      
      The fake Covid pandemic was engineered and used to put this technology to the test, do mass experimentation on the world.
      
      There is a salutatory warning in in the prophetic miniseries of Star Trek Voyager, with a race called the Vidiians. A race that has ongoing medical condition causing organ failure requiring continual organ transplants from organs stolen from others through organ harvesting.
      
      Ironically the medical condition is called the Phage and a byproduct of “medical experts” and big pharma carrying out DNA modification experiments that went wrong.
      
      Yes it is fiction but the parallels are there with what is happening here in real life.
      
      Join up the dots and you start to see the
      corruption and treason behind the vaccines
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK493185/
      https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/biology-of-viruses/virus-biology/a/bacteriophages
      
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      May 26, 2024 11:58am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Benedict,
    
    There are no links to the raw unabridged data in that link. Just someone’s opinion.
    
    No researcher entitled to use the word researcher, uses other peoples opinion as fact.
    
    101 of research is to always get the raw data from which to draw your analysis. Copy and Paste is not research, no matter how many letters after the name of the person that wrote the article.
    
    You would get a D- in my class.
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:12am
  - stiff cheese
    
    The first bullet point makes the vaccine sound good — but hidden in the fourth bullet point is the key issue: there was no attempt to break down the groups by Health Status (e.g. number of comorbidities). So you’re left comparing two groups (vaxxed and unvaxxed) of the same AGE but you have no idea what the ratio of healthy, average, feeble, and morbidly ill people in each group is.
    
    The trick the ONS used was to put the headline bullet point first, and hope people didn’t read much further. Why they didn’t do a more fine-grained analysis is a mystery. . . Not a mystery to me, though.
    
    And not releasing the raw data (anonymized, of course) to independent researchers — that’s a ‘mystery’ too.
    
    In summary, ONS got this bit right: “[Age standardised mortality rates] are not equivalent to measures of vaccine effectiveness”.
    
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    May 26, 2024 12:28pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    This may be of some use.
    They some how miraculously fixed the Excess deaths by manipulating Stats.
    https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q640
    
    So they went from this ,
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-64209221
    
    Too , “Nothing to see hear, Move on”. //
    
    I would not Trust the Data you provided, After being “Modified” under for different criteria.
    
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    May 26, 2024 5:10pm
- Taieri
  
  We finally have the evidence to prove it from the official source.
  ———-
  
  There’s neither the “evidence” provided nor the “official source” listed in the linked substack post.
  All that there’s is an interpretation based on selected correlations sourced from other substack posts.
  
  It is simply not possible to establish whether the vaccines (or as some prefer to call them “vaccines”) were effective and to what extent or whether they were not effective at all.
  Just as it is not possible to establish the precise number of the fatalities caused directly by Covid.
  
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  May 26, 2024 11:51am
blue collar

The end goal is to destroy the powerful white societies that have dominated since ww2 .

This will allow the implementation of a one world govt controlled by unelected officials .

Kinda obvious .

First step weaken us all and bypass sovereignty

A major tool is to appoint or influence selection of leaders whom you have blackmail on .
Then force them to promote your agenda
Think Trudeau , Biden , Cindy etc etc etc
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May 26, 2024 10:27am
- MCōs
  
  “The end goal is to destroy the powerful white societies that have dominated since ww2”
  What is that in relation to?
  
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  May 26, 2024 12:55pm
  - Mike
    
    His fantasy world?
    
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    May 26, 2024 12:59pm
- julesnzuk
  
  Try the word “Western” or “European” instead of “white”.
  
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  May 27, 2024 12:00am
rouppe

@Ra Henare,

I see you were published in the Herald over the weekend!
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May 26, 2024 10:50am
- Muttonbird
  
  [Mod – if you don’t stop this you will get a ban]
  
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  May 26, 2024 11:09am
  - Aquarius
    
    That would certainly improve Kiwiblog !
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Competition between Mike and Muttonbird today!
      
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      May 26, 2024 12:25pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Dual personalities or blood brothers?
        
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        May 26, 2024 1:12pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Same VPN Jack?
        
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        May 27, 2024 10:31am
  - Muttonbird
    
    To be honest, only about half my comments make it through KB censorship, so there’s that.
    
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    May 26, 2024 6:33pm
- wsk12345
  
  Link?
  
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  May 26, 2024 11:10am
  - rouppe
    
    https://maryholm.com/nz-herald-25-may-2024/
    
    Yes it’s not a Herald link but she publishes in the herald every weekend and it appears there shortly after.
    
    Somewhere like Cambodia is my Plan B. I turn 64 just before the next election, so if i can get to 2027 without Labour and the Greens gutting my Plan A i’ll be off as soon as it looks like they’re going to win an election
    
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    May 26, 2024 11:38am
Jack5

Rob Penney 1, TVNZ 0.

Well done, Crusaders.
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May 26, 2024 11:18am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Indeed, it was a good game. And was Penney wrong with his description of Thomas Mead ?
  
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  May 26, 2024 12:25pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s an interesting thing, but the rugby crowds have been the best in years. Even the game last night had far more attendees than the Crusaders used to attract when they were the almost unbeatable juggernaut of recent years
  With the perennial winners out of the picture the competition is far more interesting and I’m picking the beleaguered coach is getting a fair bit of nasty feedback from the Chch rugby diehards
  
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  May 26, 2024 1:33pm
  - herb1
    
    Clearly you haven’t read any of the social media posts about Rob Penney of late. He’s getting a lot of support. Your general statements about Crusaders supporters are rather ill informed .
    
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    May 26, 2024 6:53pm
Tauhei Notts

If anybody had told me six months ago that Trump will win New York my response would have been;
“Whatever you have been drinking I will have a pint of it.”
But I have been reading about that rally in the Bronx.
I still doubt whether Trump will win New York, whereas six months ago I gave him two shows;
my show and no show. The chance is faint, but it is still there.
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May 26, 2024 11:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Landslide, bigger than 2016 – yuge!
  
  I said the same thing in Alaska 2015. They said “Donald Trump”. I said “don’t be stupid, he is a businessman” They said “just you watch”
  That is when I first looked at American Politics. Before that I did not know who was left and who was right.
  It’s been a good ride.
  
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  May 26, 2024 12:27pm
BeaB

Our media don’t even try to hide their bias. Hot on the heels of a TV story about a homeless woman living in a car with her kids, this morning we have RNZ and Mihingarangi Forbes doing a long story on perpetual leases of Maori land. She made constant jibes about this government wanting ‘one law for all’. But where was she when Labour had six years in power with the most powerful Māori caucus ever? Why no questions about their total lack of action over leases? Did they even show any interest in the problem?
And where were all the stories about homelessness under Jacinda Ardern’s reign? Or did nobody live in their cars for six long years of kindness.
Obviously these problems crop up only under National.
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May 26, 2024 12:29pm
- Damocles11
  
  The MSM won’t be happy until there is a full blown race war raging in our streets & our democracy has bern consigned to the rubbish heap of history.
  
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  May 26, 2024 1:26pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    New Caledonia
    
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    May 26, 2024 2:27pm
    - Damocles11
      
      That’s a colony though, whereas we were a nation prior to 2020 – 2023. I was a New Zealander, now I find I am a ‘colonist’ like in a Maori country called Aotearoa, and I am now being told to ‘go back where I came from’. Our political leadership is a disgrace, the cowards who allowed it to come to this will be hated by future generations. Hated. And they are all in the Labour and National parties, the enablers and the ostriches alike, those who deliberately undermined our democracy & those who lacked the wisdom and moral courage to fight back against what was going on.
      
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      May 26, 2024 3:14pm
      - Mike
        
        Where did you come from and who told you to go back there.
        
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        May 26, 2024 6:19pm
      - MCōs
        
        I was born in NZ; my father and his father were both born in NZ; my mother and my wife are immigrants
        None of us have ever been told to go back to where we came from
        
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        May 26, 2024 8:41pm
      - MCōs
        
        It’s more of a UK thing I remember from the early seventies
        Hence the Beatles song
        
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        May 26, 2024 8:48pm
      - Ghost
        
        I had a doctor in Auckland who would get abused and told to go back to china. Was white people abusing them. At one time she went on neighbours at war over some of the abuse. Before that they were on Paul Holmes when their son committed suicide because the hours of being a new doctor were so long. Her family gave more to this country than the racist wankers that would abuse them.
        
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        May 26, 2024 8:51pm
Swifty

A Kiwi axeman’s three-peat.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350290298/new-zealand-axeman-jack-jordan-wins-world-title-third-year-succession
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May 26, 2024 12:34pm
Swifty

Peter Snell’s 800m record finally broken:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/517847/athletics-sir-peter-snell-s-nz-800m-record-broken-in-germany
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May 26, 2024 12:35pm
- MCōs
  
  Back in Peter Snell’s day NZ had a number of classy middle distance runners, but we lacked sprinters and field event top talent
  Lately it’s been the other way round
  
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  May 26, 2024 1:38pm
- julesnzuk
  
  Takes nothing away from the great man though – particularly considering his record (a world one at the time) was set on grass!
  
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  May 27, 2024 12:04am
- NothingLeft
  
  Sadly still 3 seconds (and 3%) slower than world record.
  
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  May 27, 2024 12:24am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone hear on The Outsiders how someone saw in Biden’s daughter’s diary that he showered with her when she was young and thought it was inappropriate?

Have others seen Creep Joe sniffing little girls’ hair?
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May 26, 2024 2:10pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Ashley Biden Confirms It Was Her Diary – Here’s What it Said About Joe Biden, with Ruthless Hosts
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnyojTcuj8Q
  
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  May 26, 2024 2:12pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I was looking at pictures of New Caledonia & thinking, there’s some pretty good infrastructure. Compare & contrast with Rarotonga, which the last time I went there was pretty run down.

The Kanaks should be careful of what they wish for. If the French do pack their bags & leave, they’ll be taking their taxpayer largesse with them.
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May 26, 2024 2:30pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Inc EU largesse.
  
  They are part of Metropolitan France.
  
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  May 26, 2024 3:09pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Interesting that they have had three referendums on independence so far, all failed to reach a majority and now the losers are rioting in the streets.
  
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  May 26, 2024 3:46pm
- rockape
  
  In the town food is expensive, French prices. But in the rural villages it’s heavily subsidised and costs about a fifth of the town price.
  
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  May 26, 2024 6:09pm
Swifty

What horrible people these nurses are!

How dare they!

They need to attend DEI training and get re-educated forthwith!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13459927/NHS-chiefs-legal-action-female-nurses-changing-room-transgender.html

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May 26, 2024 3:30pm
- Ghost
  
  Sometimes you just hope for a nurse who Can carry the dress they wear…….
  
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