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Some important birthdays are being celebrated around the word today. Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam, Ataturk in Turkiye and Malcolm X in the USA.
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May 19, 2024 8:02am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think you’ll find that Ataturk, who secularised the country, is not as popular as he used to be among Turkey’s current rulers.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:13am
  - Mike
    
    Indeed
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:15am
    - Jack5
      
      An Armenian view of Attaturk:
      
      https://www.armenian-genocide.org/kemal.html
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:41am
- Gussy Fink-Nottle
  
  Surely you – of all of us here – haven’t forgotten Pol Pot, milky.
  19th May 1925
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:26am
  - Mike
    
    Ÿou are free to choose your own heroes.
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:16am
- sirknz
  
  What have they done for us lately though?
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:51am
  - MCōs
    
    Not much considering they’ve all been dead for quite some time
    
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    May 19, 2024 1:43pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  So who controls Western Governments? IMHO it aint the citizens. Its the UN and its agencies, the WEF, OECD, World Bank, IMF and others.
  Take immigration. It was no coincidence that both NZ and Australia had record immigration in 2023. Both were told to take those numbers or suffer the consequences. Politicans are mere puppets dancing to the tune of their controllers. Face it. Those organisations can make or break a Government. They have more power than small or even larger countries. Sadly there is nothing citizens can do to stop the command and control of those they elect.
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:16am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    By whom, exactly, were we “told”, and by what means? What “consequences” were proposed? Where was this reported?
    
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    May 19, 2024 9:24am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      You are really naive if you think these organisations are going to publish their demands of Governments.
      
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      May 19, 2024 9:41am
      - Mike
        
        Yes only the woke are informed about the true dulers of the world. The remaining sheeple need to become woke.
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:19am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        Right, so how do you know about it?
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:41am
    - Jake Dee
      
      You don’t need an Illuminati or Elders of Zion conspiracy to make this work.
      Cultural, political economic diffusion works like a plant growing towards the water and the light, no central brain doing long term planning is necessary.
      Although there obviously is some such planning, do you think that there AREN’T Hollywood executives trying to make their next movie a huge hit? or others planning ways to crack into a new market with their latest doo-dad?
      the sad thing is that the deep conspiratorial mode of thinking (Freemasons and the CIA killed JFK etc.) is actually the optimistic view of humanity. Even if we are all having our strings pulled by satanic puppet masters, then at least SOMEONE is in control, and we aren’t just a bunch of apes banging rocks together.
      
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      May 19, 2024 6:06pm
    - blue collar
      
      Read the book “confessions of an economic hitman “ by John Perkins .
      Last man is bang on
      That was for America , every entity had their own men in grey suits passing messages … I mean demands ….
      They just merely point out what happened to the last bloke/sheila/country that refused
      
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      May 19, 2024 7:32pm
- Rusty
  
  @mike… It is also Andre the Giant’s birthday today.
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:53am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  New scientific theorem related to Kiwiblog:
  
  Blog quality is inversely proportional to the number of posts by Mike/Milkenmildagain
  
  Does anyone have evidence for or against this?
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:22am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Do you think this blog would be a better place without any dissenting voices?
    
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    May 19, 2024 12:18pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Dissent is encouraged. Constant snark and trolling is not so welcome, imo.
      
      Mike used to make some real contributions that made you think… Indeed some guest posts a few years back. Now he is mainly just trolling and thread crashing.
      
      There is a difference between intelligent debate, dissent on one hand and mindless snark and trolling on the other hand…
      
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      May 19, 2024 12:40pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Well put JBJ!
        
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        May 19, 2024 1:31pm
      - Mike
        
        Your mistake might be in imagining Kiwiblog is a place for intelligent debate.
        
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        May 19, 2024 1:54pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        And Mike confirms my point with his inane and pointless snark below….
        
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        May 19, 2024 4:17pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No. I would rather there were far more dissenting voices. Stupid and snarky voices not so much.
      
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      May 19, 2024 5:16pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Today is Pentecost Sunday – that day 50 days after the Resurrection & 10 days after the Ascension of Our Lord Jesus Christ to heaven, when the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles & inspired & strengthened them, thus commencing the beginning of Christianity. That is why Pentecost is also called the Birthday of the Church.
  Happy Pentecost. 🙂
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:25am
  - Mike
    
    And Pentecostalists are well towards the crazy end of the Christian spectrum.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:29am
  - Scott
    
    Good points Don. I’ve just been to the Pentecost service in Masterton. Hundreds there including lots of young people. A Maori welcome and a great message and response as many came up for prayer.
    God is in the house! ✝️
    
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    May 19, 2024 1:43pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350262622/they-dont-give-shit-kainga-ora-tenants-fight-support

Actually, I feel sorry for Kainga Ora in this case, as they are a social housing provider, but not a Mental Health provider, or social workers.

This gentleman should have been in an awful lot of in trays, and Kainga Ora were the only ones who did something for him.

Where were the Mental health workers? Where were the social workers?
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May 19, 2024 8:07am
- wsk12345
  
  I know there are lots of high needs people out there but he is clearly capable of cleaning his house as it says he looked after it well initially. So there’s no excuse to treat your taxpayer funded home like that.
  
  As for buses into the city- why does he need to go into the city? Not like he has a job. And a snapper card would reduce the fares significantly.
  
  I really get fed up with the whinging of people who sure, have pretty shit lives, but actually get pretty well looked after.
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:08am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Fetal alcohol syndrome. F*cked since before birth.
    
    The evidence suggests he’s unable to look after himself. Another victim of Helen Clark’s Care in the Community policy.
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:31am
    - wsk12345
      
      A friends adopted son has FAS. At 20 now he gives in a group Home, nice happy young man. Yes he needs guidance to buy his groceries (goes in a group with a helper), but he contributes to society through a number of part time jobs working for businesses and charities where his contribution is welcomed.
      
      Difference may be that he was given up at birth and adopted into a family with siblings and parents who are functioning members of society and always expected him to be as well, albeit in a different way to his siblings.
      
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      May 19, 2024 3:29pm
      - Stellaboxer
        
        Arrh alcohol the gift that keeps on giving through the generations.
        
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        May 19, 2024 3:54pm
- Paulus
  
  No Mental Health workers as Mental Health in New Zealand has exploded exponentially over the last ten years.
  Why will nobody tell me why ?
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:20am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Kids being given smart phones. One of my granddaughters suffered mental health issues within months of being given a smart phone when she was 9 years old. She’s now 18, and only just coming right.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump sees massive surge in the polls with a surprise demographic.
I said this would happen some time aga after reading Candace Owen’s “Blackout” and watching her on Turning Point USA, and Prager U.
Blacks are leaving the Plantation in big numbers. They finaly realise that they will never get what the Democrats lie about.
BLACKS FOR TRUMP 2024.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-sees-massive-surge-in-the-polls-with-a-surprise-demographic/ar-BB1mBey0
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May 19, 2024 8:10am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Beware of relying on reporting in the Daily Fail, Steve.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Beware of anything Mike says, Steve.//
    
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    May 19, 2024 8:19am
  - softail 1450
    
    M&M <——– Old pedo Joe's biggest supporter still above ground.
    
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    May 19, 2024 8:50am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Joe Biden- Keep Falling (Campaign Song-satire)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wl8mTemrUs
      
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      May 19, 2024 10:09am
      - Mike
        
        Real Men Wear Diapers, though!
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:20am
      - David Garrett
        
        All on: That’s hilarious…As I have said here before, in a country of 340 million, it’s astonishing that Biden and Trump are all they can come up with.
        
        Where are today’s FDR’s and JFK’s? Both flawed men for sure, but Gods compared to these two buffoons
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:44am
      - Mike
        
        I don’t often agree with David Garrett, but the sclerotic nature of US politics is made starkly clear by the two candidates to be ‘leader of the free world’.
        
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        May 19, 2024 11:10am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        While it is funny, I despise the Democrats for using a very sick man to try and keep control and power.
        
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        May 19, 2024 11:18am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Democracy has always been about choosing the least worst option. Never more true than for the ’24 US election cycle, which is why Trump is riding high in polls, even though there are many other better candidates who didn’t make it through the primary process.
        
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        May 19, 2024 12:05pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Indeed Otto it’s almost as if people of colour can think for themselves and aren’t some homogeneous blob of oppressed victims waiting anxiously for their white middle class saviours from the boutique left to save them.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:20am
- Cassandra
  
  Confirmed by Nate Silver. “A week is a long time in politics” but Trump is now a clear leader. But as Nate says, that’s now – months until the election. 20% of blacks support Trump. Karl Rove says that Biden needs to get out of the basement.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:54am
  - Ra Henare
    
    It has been apparent(to me anyway) that the Presidential election 2024 will not be between Biden & Trump!
    
    Dont know who it will be between.
    But I would put a dollar on the democrats choosing an Obama promoted person
    
    Given TDS, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Trump got assassinated. Wonder how many attempts have been done so far? No publicity on that. Maybe a OI request to secret service might be revealing
    
    All will be revealed after the democratic convention in August and early voting starting in August/september.
    
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    May 19, 2024 1:10pm
    - Mike
      
      Nope, it’s Biden v Trump, part deux.
      
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      May 19, 2024 1:55pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You get an uptick for that sonny, although we do know Obama is pulling the Biden strings. Nobody is pulling the Trump strings. He is a Patriot. He knows dam well that the Democrats are well capable of assassinating him. Part two yes.
        Many on this blog are going to have to admit they got it wrong on the POTUS.
        Am I one of those people?
        
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        May 19, 2024 3:01pm
      - Mike
        
        Steve
        There is a difference between being ‘right’ in terms of predicting an election result and the verdict of history. Trump and Biden will have their reputations maintained by fans, and critics, for many decades to come.
        
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        May 19, 2024 3:06pm
- jkt
  
  Great news for the Trump campaign.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Further to the previous post, more on Black Americans shifting their vote.
  The Democrats are getting worried – which is when they get dangerous. They are nasty and will have Tramp assassinated if they can.
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/biden-s-support-among-black-male-voters-in-philadelphia-collapses/ar-BB1mDkld?
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:39am
  - jkt
    
    More good news for Trump.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He is winning over the young, and even levelled up with women, and even Espanics are jumping ship
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:08am
  - Mike
    
    Espanics?
    e-spanics?
    He panics
    His panics?
    Hispanics
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:32am
Souvlaki

Another excellent piece from Graham Adams:
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-tvnz-hikoi-documentary-needs-a-sequel
Given the above, coupled with TPM’s thinly veiled threats of violence and these further reinforced by left wing judicial activism…
it seems to me at least ,we could end up like Noumea in the not too distant future!
This opinion likely shared by many emigrating to Australia.
It seems Luxon & National believe ignoring the threat means ” it wont happen”…think again guys!😬
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May 19, 2024 8:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  It seems to me that the French settlers in New Caledonia have forgotten the lessons of the 1980s.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:20am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    You mean getting your military spies to carry out secret acts of terrorism & undeclared warfare in a friendly country that had spilled its citizens blood to save you in WW’s 1 & 2, renege on the offenders judicial sentence & ignore any criticism.
    
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior
    
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    May 19, 2024 8:33am
    - Mike
      
      And settling the civil war in New Caledonia by negotiation.
      
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      May 19, 2024 10:22am
    - David Garrett
      
      kiwi: I couldn’t have said it better Sir.
      
      Almost 40 years on, whenever I think of the Rainbow Warrior my blood boils. I am half French on my mother’s side. Before that atrocity happened I was very proud of my French heritage, and frankly felt more at home in France than in NZ.
      
      The Rainbow Warrior destroyed all that. What was particularly galling at the time was vox pops in France showed 65% (IIRC) of the French public approved of what had been done.
      
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      May 19, 2024 10:50am
      - AitchW
        
        Cheese eating surrender monkeys since forever!
        (My thanks to Homer Simpson for the epithet. )
        
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        May 19, 2024 11:08am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Visiting rural France some 20 years ago. Got taken to a ”mature” French ladies house to enquire about renting a caravan she had in a local campground.
        
        When she found out I was from NZ, she visibly was agitated.
        But Surely Kiwis hate the French because of the Rainbow warrior she said.
        
        Assured her that Kiwis didn’t hate the French as it was the French government that created the sinking, not the French People. She then relaxed, we chatted, I rented the Caravan, and we remained friends until she died in 2012.
        
        Note: I travelled for months around rural France and found the people friendly and helpful.!!!! Cities: Another story altogether, but the same in most countries I have had the privilege of visiting.
        
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        May 19, 2024 1:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        Perhaps the French regarded the Rainbow Warrior in the same way the British regarded the neutral French fleet at Mers-el-Kébir on 3 July, 1940:
        
        https://www.royalmarineshistory.com/post/operation-catapult-attack-on-the-french-fleet-mers-el-k%C3%A9bir
        
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        May 19, 2024 3:55pm
- MCōs
  
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  I’ve never heard of anyone moving to Australia to get away from ‘left wing judicial activism’ or because they’re afraid of the Māori Party.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:46am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Perhaps you should get out more & ask the 2000 Kiwis moving to Oz each week why they’re leaving
    
    “afraid” is a snide smear on people who would choose not to live & raise their children in Labour/TPM/Greens ethnostate..
    
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    May 19, 2024 8:54am
  - Souvlaki
    
    …its threat of resultant violence that would make me leave…naieve if you think TPM hints of violence are ignored by people!
    The judicial activism simply emboldens them imo….in an ‘ irresponsible’ manner.
    
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    May 19, 2024 8:54am
  - Cassandra
    
    Lots of things you’ve never heard of, Mcos. But I too doubt that people move for a single reason, it’s usually multi-factorial. But the two examples you give are part of the package.
    
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    May 19, 2024 8:58am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    How many have you asked? It would require a survey. People don’t move countries for one reason. However it is plausible that the policies espoused by the Maori Party feature highly. Indeed if the Maori Party is every in government, many people would be very afraid 😨.
    
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    May 19, 2024 8:59am
    - MCōs
      
      The internet is full of reasons why Kiwis move to Australia and dodgy judges and fear of the Māori Party as part of some distant coalition administration isn’t among them.
      I’ve heard prominent people say they’re leaving the country if there’s a change of government, but they never do.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/record-migrations-why-thousands-are-ditching-new-zealand-for-australia/OG5P5P33VFAJ5NHQI3IPGCGU2Y/
      
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      May 19, 2024 9:25am
      - graham
        
        Oh, like all those famous people who swore they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected … and didn’t.
        
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        May 19, 2024 9:29am
      - Paulus
        
        Remember New Zealanders cannot get to Australia if they have a Criminal Record, so only the better ones are getting there, and Australia is ending back the rotten apples.
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:26am
      - MCōs
        
        That would be *sending*
        
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        May 19, 2024 1:45pm
    - graham
      
      Even if asked, many people would be reluctant to list such reasons for fear of being labelled “racist”, “white supremacist”, or similar.
      
      Despite that, I agree that the Maori Party’s highly inflammatory rhetoric, and similar comments from people such as Willie Jackson will feature in many people’s reasons. They are a part of the much-maligned silent majority, who do not express their opinions publicly and thus are overshadowed in the media by the more vocal minority.
      
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      May 19, 2024 9:27am
    - jkt
      
      Many people move when they get disillusioned with culture and economics, most move for selfish reasons, like opportunity and freedom.
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:57am
  - MCōs
    
    I have heard of people moving to Oz because the money’s better, family is there or in one case they couldn’t get a job here because of their accent, which was not a hindrance over yonder
    
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    May 19, 2024 9:02am
  - wsk12345
    
    I know plenty of people have left and one reason is the Maorification of the country and the fact they feel their kids will be second class citizens if they stay here.
    
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    May 19, 2024 9:16am
    - MCōs
      
      So they won’t be second class citizens over there?
      They won’t even be citizens over there if they’re Kiwis
      
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      May 19, 2024 9:51am
      - wsk12345
        
        The ones who left more than 5 years ago are all citizens now (or soon to be, can’t recall the discussion exactly)since the law change. And yes, their kids are just part of a giant melting pot over there, they won’t be discriminated against on the basis of skin colour.
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:15am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Good grief. All New Zealanders in Australia now have path to citizenship.
        
        Honestly how can you think that the ethnic conflict that was promoted by the last government is not a factor in people leaving?
        
        I don’t even know where to start. If you are a skilled data analyst you don’t need to convince an Australian employer that you are “on your te ao Maori journey” to get a job.
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:55am
      - jkt
        
        MCos:
        It is not nice being a foreigner in your country of origin.
        
        A foreigner in a foreign country is OK except if you choose to be part of a minority and that minority becomes a targeted group.
        
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        May 19, 2024 12:00pm
      - MCōs
        
        I’m a pakeha New Zealander
        I’ve never for one moment felt like a foreigner in my own country
        Having said that I went to a Thai Buddhist temple with my wife once and someone referred to me as a farang, which is the Thai word for a Caucasian foreigner
        
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        May 19, 2024 2:01pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Abbofocation is as bad in Aussie, if not worse
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:11am
      - AitchW
        
        As seen in the endless ‘welcomes to country’ before every event in Australia.
        
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        May 19, 2024 11:25am
      - jkt
        
        Giant:
        That is a swearword in any language.
        
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        May 19, 2024 4:48pm
  - GJM
    
    I have heard of several who have left for Oz due to Aotearoa apartheid. It may not be the only reason, but it was major part of it.
    When asked why they were going, it was one of the first 4easons. It also heavily impacts the second reason, that of a better and more prosperous long term future. If you can’t see the connection, look at South Africa.
    
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    May 19, 2024 9:18am
  - Paulus
    
    We are told many Maori families over the last 20 years have taken their children to Australia so that they avoid the prevalence of Maori emanating Drugs and Gangs here.
    They are right.
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:24am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      A couple of years ago I read a study about employment and incomes for Maori and non Maori New Zealanders in Australia. There were no significant differences.
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:01am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Maoris in NZ drag each other down. Lots of jealousy and vindictiveness towards one of their own trying to get ahead.
        If western and eastern pioneers hadn’t got here when they did maoris would be extinct.
        
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        May 19, 2024 12:23pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    MCos, here’s one for you. I’ve lived in the UK for over 21 years now – and that crap is precisely what is putting me off moving back to NZ. I’m pretty sure I’m not the only expat out there who thinks like this.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:13am
    - AitchW
      
      The funny thing is that I’ve lived in NZ for almost 50 years and I wouldn’t return to the UK for similar, although not identical, reasons.
      I suspect I’m not the only expat here who thinks like this as well.
      All a matter of perspective and possibly inertia I suspect.
      
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      May 19, 2024 4:01pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        Aitch – The entire Anglophone west is being captured by neo Marxism, it’s true – but at least in the UK there is a backlash against it (stronger than what I see in NZ) and the UK doesn’t have to contend with the Maorification factor either (unfortunately “indigenisation” and notions of “de-colonisation” are weapons that the Marxist movement has available in a settled countries ie NZ, Aus and Canada). I’m a lot younger than you (I suspect by several decades) and I can assure you that inertia is not a factor.
        
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- kowtow
  
  Noumea ?
  We are there already .
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:50am
- Simon
  
  Yep a lot smart kids if family can afford after school heading to university in Aust. NZ univ are mumbo jumbo woke backwaters.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:52am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If Māori try strike violence in the streets, they will push voters closer to the government and away from the left.
  
  Let them try
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:10am
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Gina Rinehart doesn’t like the caricature of her on display at the National Gallery of Australia. I can’t say I blame her, though I do think it displays an essential truth about her.

But what really struck me was the comment of the artist, renowned Aboriginal artist Vincent Namatjira – “We are all equal in Australia … No matter what heritage you have or where you come from … We are all Australian”.

This from a man whose local heritage stretches back 50,000 years. Food for thought.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz74ed6yk9lo
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May 19, 2024 8:21am
- David Garrett
  
  Nevermind: David Lange once memorably said – I was in the audience at time he said it – “Every person in New Zealand is an immigrant, or descended from one”.
  
  The comment did not go down well with a good number of my fellow students.
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:54am
  - julesnzuk
    
    I’m not surprised – what a dumb comment from a supposedly highly intelligent man. Arrogantly disregards the concerns that I believe were being raised at the time re Asian immigration and wilfully misses the point. My ancestors (like those of most of your fellow students, I suspect) were British settlers (not “immigrants”) – and I’m proud of it too!
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:23am
    - Mike
      
      In what way were the British settlers not immigrants?
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:34am
      - julesnzuk
        
        The word “immigrant” was never used in the 19th century to describe these people, and why would it be? They weren’t moving to an established jurisdiction where they had to go through a process to become citizens of said jurisdiction (despite whatever revisionist nonsense the delusional far left would have you believe, disparate tribes with no established infrastructure occupying a land mass does not a country make). British settlers were founding the country, not immigrating to one.
        
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        May 19, 2024 12:20pm
      - Mike
        
        Just emigrants, right?
        
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        May 19, 2024 12:48pm
      - MCōs
        
        Of course they were immigrants
        My Chambers English Dictionary of 1898 defines an immigrant as someone who migrated from one country to another
        My great grandfather migrated from Ireland to NZ in 1881 or around then. Some might say he was a refugee, but that’s another discussion
        Another word to chuck in the mix is expat to describe a temporary migrant even if they have no intention of moving ‘home’
        BTW
        My old dictionary describes an expatriate as someone sent abroad, an exile
        My mother was English and she lived 3/4 of her life in Timaru after she married Dad, but for a long time referred to the UK as ‘home’
        She went back over ‘home’ a few times to see family, but couldn’t wait to get back home, Māori and all!
        
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        May 19, 2024 3:13pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        MCos – once again, NZ was not a “country” at the time in the jurisdictional sense that we understand it today. It’s ludicrous to compare 19th century British settlers to immigrants coming to New Zealand in the 21st century – [Mod – debate without the personal crap]
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:31pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Why a dumb comment? Factually correct!
      But I suspect Lange was just having another windup.
      
      Simmer down Jules. Settlers or immigrants who cares?
      
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      May 19, 2024 1:30pm
      - MCōs
        
        A settler or colonist means someone who settles in land even if someone else, usually an indigenous people, is already there
        This happened in Poland at the beginning of WWII, particularly to the hapless Jews who were subsequently forced to emigrate. Except there were tight quotas imposed on where they could go . . . . only the wealthy/professionals/well connected need apply
        We all know what the next step was
        
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        May 19, 2024 3:31pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        I think New Zealanders have been “simmered down” for long enough, Ra. It’s time to “simmer up!”
        
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- imalwaysright
  
  “This from a man whose local heritage stretches back 50,000 years. Food for thought.”
  
  We all have histories that go back at least as long ago.
  Our ancestors had a larger more varied landmass to go walkabout and therefore developed into different races.
  Does the fact that aborigines were restricted to the Australian continent make them more spiritual or more anything else?
  Its just luck. Good or bad depends your perspective .
  
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  May 19, 2024 12:29pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    We’re all Africans when it comes down to it.
    
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    May 19, 2024 6:30pm
Bridgenag

Leading doctors completely shamed.
The medical profession has been conned by their political, medical and academic leaders who have received money/promises indirectly or directly from the corrupt pharmaceutical industry.

https://open.substack.com/pub/ianbrighthope/p/leading-doctors-completely-shamed?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 19, 2024 8:29am
Bridgenag

Covid Britain’s Dr Mengeles’
By Paul Weston: COVID-19 ALL LIES ALL CRIME

https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/covid-britains-dr-mengeles?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 19, 2024 8:30am
- imalwaysright
  
  This scumbag, Matt Hancock, can’t keep from laughing at what he did to Britain and pretends to cry.
  Its hard to believe he and his regime are not in jail.
  (41seconds)
  
  https://youtu.be/MnV9LumDxZk?si=QURqzUAdNf7Dau4a
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:50am
- Benedict Yu
  
  So one doctor who appeared on TV shows promoting the AstraZeneca vaccine is equivalent to the Nazi doctor who cut up twin children and sewed them together?
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:10am
  - imalwaysright
    
    May be worse, the normal amount of time for a vaccine to be declared safe is twelve years.
    Who knows what any long term effects are.
    
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    May 19, 2024 9:25am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      There reason it can take a decade to get a medicine approved. Money. Or more accurately a lack of money. Drug companies hedge their bets. In the case of the covid vaccine trials there was unlimited money.
      
      Think about it. How could it be plausible that testing a medicine could literally take 12 years, if the only constraints were clinical?
      
      Here are two questions.
      
      1. What are the steps required to determine if a vaccine is safe? Like this one. https://www.euronews.com/health/2024/05/15/new-dengue-vaccine-approved-by-who-as-67-million-cases-reported-in-americas
      
      2. Which of those steps were skipped with the COVID vaccines?
      
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      May 19, 2024 10:19am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Sorry cant read links, At sea.
        But in Covid vaccines they skipped the trials under ” emergency”, in addition they did not make the data public thereby no scrutiny.
        As previously stated, The longer it takes too come clean the worse outcome for them.
        In the US, They have finally admitted too Gain of Function.
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:56am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Interestingly the Polio Vaccine was quicker than 12 years. Why?
        Polio was killing lots of Americans (Hint Covid similar situation). So a sense of urgency.
        
        Tetanus vaccine was also accelerated(Developed 1938) with WW2
        
        The problem in the modern world is the supremacy of the fear factor, ie its got to be proved safe for EVERYONE.
        
        Look at any new kids playground. Its not about fun, its about stopping kids hurting themselves, the fear of not being safe. (thank goodness for trees to climb)
        
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        May 19, 2024 1:47pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Just an addendum.
    
    I am not suggesting that there should be no debate on the efficacy and safety of the covid vaccines. Indeed I hope that these issues are fully investigated in the Royal Commission in New Zealand. That means applying science and analysis of very large data sets. Not targeting one doctor in the UK and equating him with Nazi death camp experiments on children.
    
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    May 19, 2024 9:33am
    - imalwaysright
      
      All doctors and medical staff who took part in the administration of this substance are guilty of malpractice.
      The scale of the harm they have caused is yet to be determined.
      
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      May 19, 2024 9:56am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Based on what evidence?
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:20am
      - Inandout
        
        imal, until such time as we learn why a substantial number in the health field were exempt from receiving the covid vaccine then any opinion on its safety should be withheld.
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:50am
      - Master Mariner
        
        @BY.
        Thats the issue. They have the evidence but will not release it.
        NZ data alone is probably the most important Data.
        Why?
        Because we got jabbed BEFORE the onset of Covid.
        Ill let you join the dots on whether the harm is caused by Covid or Vaccination.
        Hiding this Data seriously leads one too think the latter.
        
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        May 19, 2024 11:01am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        BY – the evidence is that Medsafe could not approve the mRNA treatments due to insufficient safety data. The sign off was then escalated to a separate committee whose anonymity has been maintained by the Ombudsmen. After that there was massive campaigns to promote how the treatments were ‘Safe and Effective’.
        
        How can a medical person ensure their patient provides informed consent when there is insufficient safety data to sign-off the treatment?
        
        Furthermore, there were risk calculators made available by Oxford University that showed that the risk to young people 19 years and younger from COVID (the earlier more deadly strains than we experienced in NZ) were too low to calculate. By the time NZ introduced mandates down to 12 years of age there were studies showing adverse impacts to young people eg the study of young men in Hong Kong. Why then would any medical person administer a treatment to a person more likely to harm them than help them?
        
        Medical people were threatened with loss of their practicing certificate if they did not follow the company line on mRNA treatments. This is a terrible position to be put in but does not absolve them from professional accountability. For those of us that did not get swept along in the fervour of the get vaxxed movement these times had strong parallels to our impressions of what it might have been like in WWII Germany. However, I wouldn’t equate individual Drs to Mengeles.
        
        Clearly the greatest burden of responsibility within NZ sits with Ashley Bloomfield, the Prime Minister Ardern, Minister of Health Hopkins, the MOH, the professional associations for medical people. However, the professionals at the coalface are also responsible for their actions.
        
        While I would like to see this examined through inquiry it is not likely to get a proper inquiry. How is it possible when all current leaders of our political parties, apart from Winston Peters who wasn’t in parliament, sided with the Government? They all would have to acknowledge they were wrong. Never going to happen. There has been no criticism of the selection of mRNA treatment proponent and recipient of big pharma research funding, Tony Blakely, as the head of the inquiry. Maybe in a generations time, things might have changed enough for this to get an independent and objective review.
        
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        May 19, 2024 11:17am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I recognise that the covid vaccines are contentious with many commenters. It hard to have a sensible debate because it is too complex for abbreviated kiwiblog comments. We would need to be at it all day. 🤡 So I am reluctant to start a debate to which I cannot dedicate the time to finish.
        
        I have concluded that doctors and politicians were shocking in over selling the efficacy of the vaccine in preventing transmission (it did not). At the other end of the spectrum I don’t buy into assertions that the vaccines have killed millions of people.
        
        BTW the AstraZeneca vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine.
        
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      - imalwaysright
        
        Very well put Pineapple .
        
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        May 19, 2024 1:39pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        BY – I agree it’s hard to debate. But how do you justify:
        
        1. Secret sign off of the medical treatment when the authority entrusted with doing this – Medsafe – was unable to do so because of insufficient safety data?
        
        2. Extending mandates down to 12year olds when clearly the medical data provided sufficient evidence of harm to young people from the mRNA treatment v insignificant levels of harm from COVID?
        
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        May 19, 2024 1:42pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Pineapple
        
        It is particularly disturbing that a medical professional, or even the temporary jabbers, would think it the right thing to do to inject this substance into a 12 year old child without parental knowledge or consent.
        
        Of course, the real reason for this policy was to remove the parent from the government-child relationship.
        
        Extremely sinister behaviour, and it should be the first to be prosecuted.
        
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        May 19, 2024 3:28pm
      - wsk12345
        
        @Pineapple and Bene
        Let’s not forget the the “vaccine” was never tested on pregnant women nor people with autoimmune diseases – and we knew this before rollout in NZ from Pfizer’s own trial documents – but both groups were told how safe it was for them to take it, and were in fact forced to take it or lose their jobs.
        
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        May 19, 2024 3:47pm
Bridgenag

H5N1: Truth Over Fearporn
Weaponizing disease fear to advance public policy agendas is psychological bioterrorism

“Fear porn refers to mainstream media content that deliberately and enticingly plays on people’s fears about disaster, disease, and death. It is often used to describe sensationalized and exaggerated reports or stories that aim to provoke strong emotional reactions, such as fear, anxiety, or outrage. This type of content can be found in various forms of media, including news, social media, and online articles.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/h5n1-truth-over-fearporn?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 19, 2024 8:32am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Oh you mean TV one news Bridgenag .
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:35am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Lord Sumpton quote ” Only a Dictator or Despot controls his population by Fear”.
    Ill leave you to your own conclusions.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:04am
    - AitchW
      
      MM you’ve obviously never met my old housemaster from school. That man wielded a mean sandshoe! Certainly kept all but most stupid and most rebellious in line!
      Out of interest, if it’s not too nosy, which shipping company do you work for? I worked for NZ Line, Union Shipping and ANZDL in the 80s and 90s, our paths may have crossed then. I was in the Auckland offices of both companies. Really enjoyed the shipping world, I left when I was made redundant from ANZDL.
      
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      May 19, 2024 2:32pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Good to hear from a Fellow Seafarer.
        
        I have never really worked on NZ coast apart from the previous 2 years during Covid etc.
        
        And have had to be “Opaque” about operations during commenting whilst having first hand knowledge without incriminating Myself unfortunately.
        
        Before Covid, I worked for SPO . Clue P stands for Pacific.
        Ill leave it at that.
        
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        May 19, 2024 5:42pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Global warming hysteria is another form of fear porn aimed to get votes.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:40am
  - softail 1450
    
    Chuck Bird , There was a time when little children at their schools did drills on how to make themselves safe during a nuclear strike by climbing under their desks and wrapping their arms around their heads, that was fear porn in it’s most disgusting form and bird flu is next in my opinion.
    
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    May 19, 2024 8:57am
    - AitchW
      
      I’m not sure that it was fear porn. When those kids were doing those drills the Cold War was bloody freezing and there was a very real threat of a nuclear war between the US and the USSR.
      Perhaps it was a well meaning attempt to give the kids an illusion that they could survive a nuclear bomb.
      I was at school in the UK from 1968, I don’t recall any drills then, perhaps it was a peculiarly American practise.
      
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      May 19, 2024 3:20pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I was in Canada. We had no drills but on US TV there was plenty of warning about shelters.
        
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        May 19, 2024 5:01pm
  - kowtow
    
    To get votes?
    
    “Scientists” do it to secure funding .
    
    Pollies do it to so they can be seen to be doing something ,anything .
    
    The left do it to control the people.
    
    “Capitalists” do it to secure subsidies.
    
    The National Party do it so we can trade with the Loons who ruin , sorry run the EU.
    
    And young school girl pupils do so they can appear to “care”.
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:21am
  - David Garrett
    
    Chuck: It’s global boiling now mate.
    
    I believe NZ experienced its coldest ever May temperatures last week? But of course – as someone here will “explain” to me – that’s entirely irrelevant.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Is Denmark Socialist? No.
The left like to point out that Socialism is working fine in Denmark, but they are fantasizing fools.
Denmark is a small Capitalist Country. They thrived after WW2. Low Taxes is one of the keys!

https://www.prageru.com/video/is-denmark-socialist?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_9529690
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- jkt
  
  Socialist policies and socialism. Confusing concepts.
  
  Matched only by Liberalism and beneficiaries of colonialism.
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:04am
- Mike
  
  Are the geniuses at Prager ‘University’ going to advocate for the USA to adopt Denmark’s health, welfare and gun control policies?
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have an idea. Email Denis Prager abs ask him that question Mike.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:31am
    - Mike
      
      I doubt he can read emails.
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:37am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Taxes in Denmark are amongst the highest in the world. 45% income tax rising to 52.5% for high income earners. Worldwide income is taxed unless you are a tax resident in another country. A VAT ( GST) of 25%.
  
  But the Danes are quite happy to pay these high taxes because they receive a lot of benefits. Free education all the way through university and a substantial student stipend amongst other benefits such as free or low cost medical care.
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:17am
  - Inandout
    
    info, little wonder that Muslims settled in that country in massive numbers.
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:52am
    - kowtow
      
      And therein the resentment from the allegedly famously open minded Scandi citizen , who according to some was quite happy to pay high taxes as the general philosophy among the indigenous there was ” we all work hard together and all look after each other on that basis”
      
      Then suddenly an influx of large numbers who did not , do not and will not share those cultural / societal norms of hard working and shared costs .
      
      Thus the resemntment from the highly taxed worker who saw benefits ( housing , health , education etc )being paid out to people who never contribute .
      
      That resentment in Denmark particularly drove the usually immigrant / multi culti loving social democrats to become one of the harder parties on immigration, and yet do the legacy msm call the social democrats there “far right”.
      
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      May 19, 2024 12:55pm
- blue collar
  
  Great country , worked there a for a few years , cheap booze , one giant pig farm .
  Only place in the world I’ve been to a bar and felt short , I’m 6’2” .
  People were great , we dealt with rural folk mostly , Copenhagen was fantastic …. Loved christiana which was /is ? A very progressive set up , cuts the gangs out . Basically a giant set up where you can buy weed n mushies , trestle tables everywhere like a school gala .
  It’s illegal , but govt let them do it there .
  Fond memories and I haven’t even mentioned the women .
  Let me put it this way ….. Maggie pie would struggle for attention 😁
  This was all 25 years ago , just as the cultural enrichers were starting to turn up , we had a few fights with in Swedish nightclubs ( malmo ) , they were hyper aggressive and kiwis like the Irish don’t tolerate that crap .
  Felt sorry for the polite Swedes though
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:21am
  - thirteenstars
    
    “This was all 25 years ago…”
    
    Ah, I remember NZ 25 years ago. Not a bad little country, going strong with a new lease on life.
    
    Anyone know what happened to it?
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:10am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      We nearly got the Y2K virus More fear control.
      I simply changed the date on my computer to year 2001. Nothing happened!
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:34am
- MCōs
  
  I went to Denmark for a couple of weeks, admittedly late last century
  I asked the people about tax rates, at the time, and they were paying about 40% income tax plus 20% vat
  Stuck in my mind because it was so much
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:38am
  - MCōs
    
    VAT is now 24%
    Here is their income tax if you can figure it out
    https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/denmark/individual/taxes-on-personal-income#:~:text=An%20individual%20who%20is%20fully,is%20lower%20in%20most%20cases.
    
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    May 19, 2024 9:40am
  - Paulus
    
    I learned a lesson many years ago when walking down the the street Stroget and saw a banana and bought it – when I ate a poor one, I worked out it had cost me the equivalent of NZ$14.
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:32am
- blue collar
  
  The cultural enrichers we were fighting with in malmo nightclubs had the following attitude.
  They owned all the women in the club
  If you danced with a woman they would come up hyper aggressive and try and staunch you out . If you didn’t back down it was on .
  It was scary .
  We only had 4 blokes in our crew .
  When you asked the women if they were with the immigrant scum they 100% replied no , we just local girls on a night out .
  Even the gang boys on the door wouldn’t mess with them .
  We had to run a few times .
  Others it was FAFO
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:40am
  - MCōs
    
    That’s Sweden
    
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    May 19, 2024 9:58am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Denmark has TWO major companies that make up a v high proportion of their GDP.
  
  Maersk Line and Lego.
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:56am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    And the pigs.
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:36am
- rockape
  
  Current income tax on average wage is just over 32%.
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:04am
- awinter
  
  You forget to tell the whole story.
  
  Denmark tax system is complicated, deductions are many. University, dental, doctors all free. and corporate tax/company tax around 22% because they understand the need for the economy to grow. They whole system is set up to encourage investment, investment in R & ; D, They use and sell knowledge as they have no natural resources. It something in between capitalist and socialist. The big thing is the voters understand the need for big successful companies to be big and successful and they celebrate that. Those big successful companies provide employment and generally have good a social consciensus, invest back in society. And for some odd reason they seem to retain these big companies in local ownership – again giving back to the country not overseas interests. Many of the big danish companies build museums, recreational centers and just give back to society
  
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  May 19, 2024 1:26pm
Matt Long

What does Pakistan’s, “Osama bin Laden? We don’t know no Osama bin Laden,” share in common with Egypt’s “Tunnels under the Rafah border? We don’t know nuffing about (70) tunnels under the Rafah border. ”
A commitment to taqiyya, jihad, and a ostensibly secular government bowing to religious Islamist fanaticism?
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May 19, 2024 8:39am
- kowtow
  
  I wonder how many senior Hamas terrorists and kidnapped Israelis have been spirited away into Egypt through those tunnels.
  Into a country where the indigenous minority Copts live in fear and oppression.
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:10am
  - Mike
    
    But are they as oppressed as the poor old Ulster Unionists?
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:27am
Chuck Bird

Sadly this could be true if Laxon does not grow a pair and stop following polls and focus groups.

This is not premium.

Labour leader Chris Hipkins unveils his vision for the party through to 2040

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-unveils-his-vision-for-the-party-through-to-2040/U4KZEFWYKBGSHKPDUKBJID5N3M/
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May 19, 2024 8:43am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “History repeats itself, first as a tragedy, second as a farce”, said Labour’s favourite 19th century German.
  
  Someone should tell Chris that he ain’t no Jacinda.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:49am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    We used to hear that making NZ more productive was the way to achieve prosperity/increase the size of the pie for all. Government policy was clearly linked to this ethos.
    
    Then Labour et al over the past 6 years displayed a masterclass in talking lofty ideas then borrowing and spending on nothing that makes the country sustainably more productive. We now live in their debt fuelled inflationary and high interest rate hell that has eroded quality of life for the majority.
    
    Where is the journalist asking how they will fund this 2040 vision?
    
    Why have our Government parties been so ineffective at highlighting the damage done to NZ?
    
    Luxon & co are leaving the door wide open for Labour to come back in 2 years. That would be the death knell for our economy. Does anyone here understand what the coalition government’s vision for NZ is? If they don’t start communicating this more clearly and getting people to believe in it then they are going to lose their votes. I already hear people blaming the new Government for the hardships they are facing. Hard to believe but true. They won the last election because the votes were for ABL (anyone but labour), that isn’t going to be enough to win the next one!
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  From the article:
  “Chris Hipkins has told Labour members at an Auckland conference he envisages the party getting back into power in two years and then spending a decade building a strong economy, boosting education and healthcare, overseeing a boom in new house construction and ushering in a vibrant multicultural society.”
  Didn’t Hipkins, Ardern and Robertson promise all this last time?
  Their incompetent “overseeing” resulted in no boom in house construction and no strong economy.
  They couldn’t even usher in a “vibrant multicultural society”, no matter how much money they threw at street parties and free food.
  But next time it will be different, eh.
  Labour must think the majority of New Zealanders are gullible fools.
  Perhaps we are.
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:04am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Indeed. It is beyond belief. He is going to turn New Zealand into a utopia by 2040 with affordable houses for all and ‘more options for walking and cycling’. 🙄🤡 There is no evidence that Chris Hipkins has any understanding of how to achieve a prosperous New Zealand. This is a guy who presided over the wrecking of the school system.
    
    They are not serious people.
    
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    May 19, 2024 9:25am
    - AitchW
      
      And a health system.
      
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      May 19, 2024 9:30am
    - Paulus
      
      Hipkins will not be there to do any of the things he preached !
      
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      May 19, 2024 10:33am
    - David Garrett
      
      Bene: Oh they are serious alright mate…just totally fucking incompetent
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:08am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They were handed the best set of book in history, they squandered it and left us in the biggest mess ever, I don’t think voters will forget that too soon
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:20am
    - AitchW
      
      Sadly, I fear you are wrong. Labour, along with a compliant left leaning media will repeat the lie that it’s all National’s fault ad nauseum and the school kids and ladies who lunch will believe it.
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:32am
- Cassandra
  
  Hipkins as part of a Labour government had 6 years – SIX YEARS – to do all of this and failed in everyone of the list. NZ went backwards. The only way to make his vision happen is to keep him and his motley team of incompetent misfits OUT of government.
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:12am
  - pdm
    
    Does Hipkins envisage himself still being Labour Leader in 2040?
    
    Someone tell him he is dreaming.
    
    The alleged Bully McAnulty has news for him too I think. – aided and abetted by the incompetent Ginny.
    
    Who knows when the coup will happen but, Chippy could even be gone by lunchtime tomorrow.
    
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    May 19, 2024 9:42am
  - Master Mariner
    
    In a lot of ways, Chairman Mao had the right idea.
    All academics sent too the rice fields in the country.
    So if I was “Dear Leader” , where would i send Hipkins ?
    I would send him too the Ice doing longlining for Toothfish.
    18hr Days in absolute shite wx?
    Why not?
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:14am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He makes me laugh, he said people voted for change, but they didn’t vote for this change. He can’t be paying too much attention, because as far as I can see the government is doing exactly what they said they would
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:17am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Maggie Pie, help needed:

As the political fashionista observer on this blog, could this exchange happen in NZ’s parliament?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-69004633
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May 19, 2024 8:55am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Puts our errant female MPs in the shade.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:58am
- Hollyfield
  
  The highlight for me is Mr Raskin’s face from about 52 seconds onwards.
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:05am
- softail 1450
  
  MW, And AOC had the cheek to yell out ” are you inferring I’m unintelligent” or something close to those words, good grief and some other wag yelled back “have you finished your night school course on operating a waste disposal unit yet”😂
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:06am
- Chuck Bird
  
  MTG has a nice body.
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:08am
  - MCōs
    
    Nice body of what?
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:40am
    - Mike
      
      Body of crazed tweets?
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:12am
      - MCōs
        
        Splendid body of abuse https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-08/biden-taunts-republican-hecklers-over-liar-liar-jeers
        
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        May 19, 2024 12:42pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I would like to see the Speaker clamp down on dress standards. All men should wear business suits and ties. I don’t know how you encode women’s dress standards. 😕
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:27am
  - Inandout
    
    BY, some ‘women’ wear business suits and ties.
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/da/49/62/da4962e644a24e9cc429237f5a576172.jpg
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:00am
  - MCōs
    
    Some examples of appropriate attire from the US House of Representatives
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/gop-reps-greene-boebert-heckle-biden-throughout-sotu-address-n1290558
    
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    May 19, 2024 12:53pm
  - MCōs
    
    Members of Taiwan parliament brawling over dress standards
    Look at the state of them
    https://www.bangkokpost.com/video/world/2795534
    
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    May 19, 2024 2:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Great exchange. MTG and AOC in a bitch fight!
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:41am
cas

Bugger I didn’t win Lotto again. It must be the result of colonisation.
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May 19, 2024 9:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yeah, but think how much you”re helping some poor Creative who scores a grant from Creative NZ or the NZ Film Commission.
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:23am
oldpark

Anyone noticed or heard the so called Sky Commentator not Jason Pine on football last night Phoenix v Melbourne Victory refer to a Maori Name for Wellington .Most of us viewers and listerners’ are still wondering what is or was the point in a football game to throw in a name that we rarely hear of describing Wellington .Asking for many many Sky Tv account holders .
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May 19, 2024 9:11am
- pdm
  
  OP – Tony Johnson seems to have gone that way too Together with his obsession with the Blues he seems to have forgotten about growing up in Picton and moved to that mythical place Aotearoa.
  
  Perhaps that is where the Blues are based.
  
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  May 19, 2024 9:51am
- MCōs
  
  Anything to distract from a pitiful performance by the home team
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:03am
- lifesgood
  
  When will these nut jobs look at the facts? There is NO Maori name for Wellington. Wellington is the city that never existed when there was just a bunch of grass shack villages around the area.
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:19am
  - Paulus
    
    Trying to change it to Poneke I understand.
    
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    May 19, 2024 10:35am
    - Inandout
      
      Paulus, nick name surely must be ‘poke in the knee’.
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:32am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Poneke – Port Nicky – Port Nicholson…. classic pigeon English
      
      Poneke is a Rugby Club that plays in in red and black hooped jerseys.
      
      Personally I want to know what Ngati Ira called the area before the genocidal Ngati Mutanga, Ngati Tama rolled through before moving to the Chatham’s and destroying Moriori
      
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      May 19, 2024 5:29pm
      - Mike
        
        Pigeon chess or pidgin English?
        
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        May 19, 2024 5:40pm
- thirteenstars
  
  You’ll find the use of Maori in sports (and other) programmes is usually a contractual issue around funding or licensing.
  
  It might be the case that individual commentators have an agenda to push but the usage is so widespread and consistently employed (including the onscreen graphics used) that it’s obviously policy and scripted. All must comply or not have a contract.
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:19am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Thise Maori names; even a Trackside commentator referred to Hamilton as Kirikiriroa yesterday prior to a race from Te Rapa. No, not George Simon of Tainui origin, some other fellow.
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:48am
gorse

Already talk from “the other side” of closing any Charter school set up now, plus reversing other things brought in by our current Government. For no other reason, it seems, that is National/ACT/NZ1 policy. Never mind that it might be good and works, just get rid of it because it is not ours. We can’t keep ping ponging back and forwards like that. No good for the country at all.
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May 19, 2024 9:15am
- kowtow
  
  What have the teacher’s unions done for education in NZ?
  
  There is an education disaster here and they must bear at least some responsibity .
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:26am
Stellaboxer

Any reason my comment made an hour ago is still awaiting moderated?

[Mod – comments are approved when a mod is online]
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May 19, 2024 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You can get an easy pass by using your own name. Otherwise emailing DPF I think.
  Details are in the comments policy at the bottom of this page.
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:47am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Hasn’t worked for me and I’ve been commenting here under my own name since 2007. Made an additional “ask politely” as well, but still in the moderator queue.
    
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    May 19, 2024 1:56pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Try again Tom, it worked for me instantly.
      
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      May 19, 2024 3:04pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Fair enough lol
  
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  May 19, 2024 3:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some fun, try not to sing.
Rudy Giuliani sings ‘New York, New York’ at his 80th birthday party.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/rudy-giuliani-sings-new-york-new-york-at-birthday-party-before-being-served-with-court-papers/ar-BB1mCN1L?
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May 19, 2024 9:44am
- MCōs
  
  That old fool’s fallen a long way since he put his trust in Trump
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:09am
  - Inandout
    
    MC, I have spoken to people who visited NY during the Giuliani Mayoral years and said n0 US city felt safer. How times have changed for the worse and the internet is awash with evidence of decay.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:39am
    - MCōs
      
      I went to NY for a few days in 1972 and 1988.
      The murder rate was astronomical around that time reaching a peak of 2245 in 1990
      In Giuliano’s last year as mayor, 2001, it was down to 649 not counting the WTC
      Last year it was 386
      I remember in 1972 that everything seemed to be covered in graffiti. A ride on the subway, that had graffiti everywhere inside and out, was $1 flat rate.
      We’d just come from Twizel where Max Smith the Project Engineer would go to the pub on Friday night and tell everyone to go home if they had work the next day.
      
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      May 19, 2024 1:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Doing good for 80 though.
    I just happen to like the song.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:47am
Cassandra

“We live in an incredibly benign environment”. This is From Foreign Affairs magazine:
This week, Chinese President Xi Jinping welcomed Russian President Vladimir Putin in Beijing, where the two leaders showcased both the closeness of their personal relationship and the growing economic and political ties between their two countries. Xi and Putin also pledged to deepen their military cooperation—and condemned the United States for pursuing what they described as “confrontational policies.”

China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea are cooperating to weaken the United States and dismantle the current U.S.-led world order, warn Andrea Kendall-Taylor and Richard Fontaine. If Washington wants to counter this increasingly coordinated group, it cannot treat each threat as an isolated phenomenon. “This is a group bent on upheaval,” they write, “and the United States and its partners must treat the axis as the generational challenge it is.”
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May 19, 2024 9:58am
- Master Mariner
  
  Are cooperating ?
  Nope.
  As Sun Tzu states ” Never interupt your enemy when hes making a mistake”.
  They are simply idly standing by observing.
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Chris Hipkins unveils his vision for the party through to 2040.
“Chris Hipkins has told Labour members at an Auckland conference he envisages the party getting back into power in two years and then spending a decade building a strong economy, boosting education and healthcare, overseeing a boom in new house construction and ushering in a vibrant multicultural society.”You are part of the reason all this is fucked! Wake up man.

“He selected 2040 because it marks the year when Aotearoa New Zealand celebrates 200 years of the Treaty of Waitangi.”
Read between the lines here. The Treaty celebrations will be paid out of the Net Taxpayr’s pocket. He is giving a bribe to Maori.

He envisions? He is dreaming childish rubbish. Why didn’t he make his dreams come true post 2017?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-unveils-his-vision-for-the-party-through-to-2040/ar-BB1mAWpn?
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May 19, 2024 10:05am
- Paulus
  
  We are told from the the Statistics Department have decided us from the 2018 Census ? that there are 900,000 Maori but will not tell us from where this figure is derived as Maori participation in any Census is piss poor.
  Just wishful thinking again – show us from where they get these figures or are they, as expected, just made up to politically suit, as Maori birth rate is still well below others !
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:42am
Benedict Yu

Something for the government to keep in mind with its plans to roll out “Kiwi Charge”, a network of EV charging stations.

In the USA there is an epidemic of folk stealing the charging cables. They are made of copper and the price of copper is soaring. All you need is a battery-powered angle grinder.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/719834/tesla-supercharger-copper-cables-vandalized/amp/

Wouldn’t happen in New Zealand. 🤡
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May 19, 2024 10:07am
- Mike
  
  We will have more coppers soon, so no one will be stealing copper.
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:29am
- Dougal10
  
  Wait till they find out how much copper is inside the units the cords plug into and how much is in the actual car .
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:01am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  This is one National policy I really hope they fail to implement.
  I gather that ACT (as part of the coalition agreement) want to ensure that it makes financial sense before it happens. Here’s hoping that they figure out that it won’t.
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:21am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Surely the answer is to charge EV owners for the charging network? It would be so simple to add a surcharge to the registration fees for EVs? If they all scream, then fine don’t do it.
    
    If you can afford an EV you can afford, say, $50 per month to set up the charging network.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:34am
    - Dougal10
      
      Excellent idea , I hope someone passes it on to a relevant minister.
      
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      May 19, 2024 12:14pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Please, not $50 per month. A per charge fee would be more fair. Some of us EV owners rarely use public chargers, we charge at home. Usually at night.
      
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      May 19, 2024 1:49pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I made up the $50. I am assuming the fee per use is just covering the operating cost. Who is going to pay for the capital cost of the network?
        
        Also the experience in the USA is that there are many breakdowns and much vandalism. All that needs to be built into the fees.
        
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        May 19, 2024 2:46pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Pretty sure that the privately owned EV chargers such as ChargeNet are profitable. They keep installing more chargers.
        
        The cost to use these high speed chargers is not cheap. Works out to be over $1.00 per KwHr when you add in the per minute cost.
        
        Over four fast charges the cost was $21.41 for 19.4 Kw of energy and charging a total of 1 hour and 24 minutes.
        
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        May 19, 2024 3:10pm
    - rouppe
      
      Petrol stations charge differing amounts depending on how remote they are, what volumes they sell, a bunch of things.
      
      The cost to use one of these charging stations should reflect similar considerations
      
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      May 19, 2024 8:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The price per metric tonne is lower than it used to be. It went up to US$0K.
  Now in NZ it is around NZ$5K per tonne.
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:55am
  - Dougal10
    
    Each 2 cables probably by a little bag of white powder from the local gangbanger then .
    
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    May 19, 2024 12:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That should be US$9K a ton.
    Boy, lot of typos today. Been digging around the water meter for a leak. Giving my arms/fingers a hard time with nerves repairing after cubital tunnel surgeries both elbows.
    Thing is I tend to see my comment as a image and pick up the shit typo later.
    Sorry about that chief.
    
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    May 19, 2024 3:26pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Fun getting old isn’t it Steve ? The other option doesn’t seem as much fun.
      
      I’m closer to 77 than 76 and getting to know some surgeons better than I really want to.
      
      Still scuba diving although not nearly as often!
      
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      May 19, 2024 6:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Scuba? Good on you. I used to love it but gave up because of sinud gland issues.
        
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        May 20, 2024 8:10am
- JimBobJoe
  
  It will happen.
  
  As an aside Ben – ask your friend at HNZC about what happens to State Houses when they are clustered together and the clusters are vacated to allow redev. They get stripped.
  Madeleine/Esperance development in East Auckland (late 1990s) was massive and the houses got stripped of Hot Water cylinders, wiring, fireplaces etc but not by HNZ contractors
  
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  May 19, 2024 5:24pm
Jack5

Brooke van Velden coolly upheld free-speech rights on a Radio NZ feature today. She’s an intelligent and skilful politician.

RNZ’s Media Watch still seemed to be supporting internet censorship, with input from the Broadcasting Authority, whose domain is apparently emigrating to the online world.

Media Watch’s Colin Peacock criticised “template” submissions to the Department of Internal Affairs, which, incidentally is still using as its primary title “Te Tari Taiwhenua”.

The templates refer to the Free Speech Union’s 93 per cent of the 20,000 submissions to the DIA on proposed regulation of online speech. Van Velden abandoned the proposal.

Peacock criticised Free Speech Union for using “templates” — a selection of points which supporters could select. It thus facilitated submissions, but Peacock seemed to imply providing such lists as help did more than that.

Seems to me how much opinion-gathering works: a list of choices, rather than seeking open-end responses.

No surprise Radio NZ, a ghostly echo of Ardernism, wants the internet controlled in the way that many countries control or controlled broadcasting.

Peacock’s talk:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018938991/mediawatch-for-19-may-2024

Free Speech Union welcomes Government abandoning proposals to further regulate online speech:

https://www.fsu.nz/dia_abandons_proposals_for_online_censorship

You can get details of the Department of Internal proposals and views on internet censorship at the following link (with fact sheets also in Maori, Arabic, Bengali, two versions of Chinese, Dari – for Afghans, Farsi, French, Hebrew, Hindi, Indonesia, Malaysian, Pashto – also for Afghans, Samoan, Somali, Tongan, Urdu – for Pakistanis, and Turkish.

A sceptic might suspect multiculturist Leftists are keen to censor the internet because it’s so predominantly in English.

https://www.dia.govt.nz/media-and-online-content-regulation#public-consultation
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- Prince
  
  Did they mention Unions’ template for their members to submit on laws they don’t agree with ?
  I wonder.
  Mediawatch is like an NZ Herald cartoon ? The opposite of ‘diversity of opinion’.
  
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  May 19, 2024 10:44am
- Mike
  
  Templated or form submissions are a joke. Just send an ordinary petition insted of hundreds or thousands of pieces of spam.
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:06am
  - Jack5
    
    General elections are pretty much run with templates.
    
    Trolling, on the other hand, is pretty much spamming. 😀
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:21am
    - Mike
      
      Please let me know why voting is just like a submission to a departmental consultation process
      
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      May 19, 2024 11:42am
      - Jack5
        
        So rigid you don’t need a template of voting choices, Mike/Milky?
        
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        May 19, 2024 12:02pm
  - rouppe
    
    It seems you don’t understand what spam is.
    
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    May 19, 2024 8:52pm
Maggie Pie

Heading home from Mass earlier on yet another beautiful God-given day.

Thinking to myself….”O.M.G. Why do they hate us sooo much?”

https://x.com/Arun_Chowdhury/status/1632635304912777216
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May 19, 2024 10:46am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, looks like a shit hole country so spraying that beardo with pig fat wouldn’t be a wise move.
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:06am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You think that spraying anyone with pig fat is a good thing?
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:53am
    - Inandout
      
      BY, or a couple of cans of pork.
      https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/food-delivery-rider-who-deliberately-placed-pork-shelf-mosque-entrance-jailed-12-weeks-2396981
      
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      May 19, 2024 3:27pm
- Jack5
  
  From Wikipedia:
  
  Maryam bint Imran is revered in Islam. The Qur’an refers to her seventy times and explicitly identifies her as the greatest woman to have ever lived.
  
  However, Islam bans statues and pictures of humans (do Catholics regard Mary as a “human”?):
  
  https://www.islamicity.org/20587/islams-prohibition-of-drawing-images-and-erecting-statues/
  
  Even digital “selfies” are controversial:
  
  https://islamqa.org/hanafi/askimam/81359/posting-selfies/
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:07am
  - Mike
    
    Mary is a demi-god in the Christian pantheon.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:43am
    - lifesgood
      
      Mike, showing your ignorance again. Sigh. Mary is not and never has been considered a demi god. She is not worshipped. She is someone to be admired and considered a saint, the most admired saint in the pantheon of saints. BTW the Islam religion holds her in high esteem also.
      
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      May 19, 2024 12:20pm
      - Mike
        
        How are saints not demigods?
        
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        May 19, 2024 1:49pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Demi = half, so a demigod is half god. The belief in demigods is that the gods had children with mortals, these children often had superhuman powers. Common in Greek mythology.
        
        The closest concept to this biblically is the Nephilim, in Genesis 6:4. Where the sons of god (Angels perhaps) fathered children with women. These people were giants apparently, and many were the heroes of old. Goliath was possibly descended from the Nephilim.
        
        Saints are people not demigods. They have a special place in the next life but are still just people. God determines who Saints are, not people – a point of difference between Catholic theology and other Christians.
        
        Mary is a special person, being the women chosen to be the mother of Jesus. She is not a deity. The practice of praying to Mary is a point of difference between Catholic theology and other Christians who see this as a form of idolatry.
        
        Saint and Demigod are two very disparate ideas.
        
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      - Mike
        
        It’s difficult to distinguish between similar categories in different mythologies.
        
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- AitchW
  
  Because they’re taught to with their mother’s milk. Not unlike the Northern Irish factions are still inculcated.
  Anyone not of the correct religion is to be despised, ridiculed and, where possible, killed.
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:20am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Not unlike the Northern Irish factions are still inculcated.’
    
    Why pick on the 6 counties .
    
    Most of the folk in the 26 are also very insular in thought and philosophy.
    
    Currently Sinn Fein are polling very strongly and the two civil war faction parties have had to combine to keep them out . And many of the independents are also cut from the extremist cloth.
    
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    May 19, 2024 1:08pm
    - Mike
      
      kowtow long for the collapse of peace in Northern Ireland.
      
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      May 19, 2024 1:25pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Because Islam is the first, final, last, and perfect religion. If you believe that, any attacks on imposter religions are justified.
  
  https://www.al-islam.org/articles/islam-first-and-last-religion-mansour-leghaei
  
  All religions are harmful. Some are more harmful than others.
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:41am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    “All religions are harmful” I would extend this to say “All ideologies can be used to cause or justify harm.”
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:48am
    - Mike
      
      True. Religions, though, with their claim to magical infallibility over reason, are particularly pernicious forms of ideology.
      
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      May 19, 2024 1:28pm
      - Inandout
        
        Mike, governemts have surpassed religions in the infallibility field. Remember Ardern and her podium health sidekick?
        
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        May 19, 2024 1:35pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        That’s your bias. My personal view is the moment the leader sees themselves as better than others, particularly when they become godlike in their own mind, they are in danger of great atrocities. Examples from history,
        
        Stalin
        Hitler
        Mao
        Pol Pot
        
        Note your fellow aetheist, Communists have committed a lot of damage in the past 100 years despite the absence of what you deem as magical belief.
        
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        May 19, 2024 4:08pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Like Socialism – the religion of the perpetually unhappy and chancers looking for power.
        
        When you look at Socialisms adherents across its various sects of Communism, Democratic Socialism, Socialist Democrat, Social Justice, Greens – what do you see?
        
        Fanatical devotion to their various orthodoxies, tendency to inquisitions, inter-sect wars and inability to accept any other viewpoints. And mass delusions: Lysenkoism, 5 year plans, Cultural Revolutions, Year Zero Plans, Climate Change
        
        Truly its a real contest between Islam and Socialism to which is the most murderous cult of the last 100 years or so….
        
        I am tending to favour Socialism as the worst offender (Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot being exemplars of Socialist Man) on current form.
        
        But Islam has the much more significant body of destructive work and mass killing, so until they are dethroned they stand proudly at the head of the insane butchery league
        
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        May 19, 2024 4:31pm
- Mike
  
  Did you have any interesting sins to confess today? Apart from the usual one.
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am not a man of faith, but I find that repugnant.
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:57am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Malachi 4:1 comes to mind…
  
  “For behold, the day is coming,
  burning like an oven, when all the arrogant
  and evil doers will be set ablaze, sayeth the LORD, and it will leave them neither root nor branch”
  
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  May 19, 2024 12:02pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Meanwhile, French energy multinational Engie wants out of the EV charging business.

“Due to losses at EV Box, as well as the lack of success thus far from our measures to identify a potential buyer for this company, the Group is actively examining all options that could lead to disengage, in accordance with local regulations,” Engie said in its Q1 earnings release today.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/The-EV-Charging-Business-of-Utility-Giant-Engie-Is-Bleeding-Cash.html
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May 19, 2024 10:47am
- Dougal10
  
  And our very own 51% taxpayer owned meridian is jumping into this game.
  
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  May 19, 2024 12:19pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

RNZ reports that 75% of Wellingtonians reject any sale of WCC’s 34% ownership of the airport. My first thought was that Christchurch’s council-must-own-everything attitude has permeated north; but then I recalled that the share sale proceeds were to be put into a green wealth fund.

RNZ did not dig into that level of detail. If asked, I’d have rejected the notion also.
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- AitchW
  
  What on earth is a green wealth fund?
  Surely ‘green’ and ‘wealth’ are mutually exclusive concepts?
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:21am
- Jack5
  
  Christchurch City owns 75 per cent of Christchurch International Airport Ltd. The Government owns 25 per cent.
  
  Under the terms of the sweetheart Treaty settlement negotiated for Ngai Tahu by Chris Finlayson, any sale of this asset has to be offered first to that South Island tribe.
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:26am
  - Mike
    
    As CIAL wants to move to Tarras, perhaps it should sell up in Christchurch asap.
    
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    May 19, 2024 11:47am
    - Paulus
      
      I believe we heard recently that Tarras was off !
      
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      May 19, 2024 1:36pm
  - Dougal10
    
    I think you spelled gifted wrong.
    
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    May 19, 2024 12:21pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  If the survey asked them “why?” the answers would be nonsensical.
  
  Throughout the world, politicians got crazy with airports. The Wellington Council is all over the place. It owns shares in the airport but is against its expansion because of climate change.
  
  News for the Council. Global air travel will double to 2040, no matter what you do. 🙄
  
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  May 19, 2024 11:49am
  - AitchW
    
    Electric aeroplanes will save us all. Never mind that they’re charged in winter by burning dirty sulphurous Indonesian coal…
    Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face, Wellington relies on air travel for lots of public servants and MPs who commute all over the country on at least a weekly basis. Not to mention the international air traffic bringing lots of overseas money into the city. Let’s jeopardise that by refusing to upgrade the airport. Greens, even bigger wreckers than Labour!
    
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    May 19, 2024 2:45pm
  - Mike
    
    Please outline your plans to upgrade Wellington airport without ratepayer or taxpayer ‘investment’.
    IMO, councils should sell their airport shares. Then let the owners try to raise capital.
    
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    May 19, 2024 3:30pm
    - AitchW
      
      I agree Mike. Councils, like central government, have no place in business. If they can own airports then why not hotels, supermarkets or even rail and ferry companies? Oh, wait…..
      
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      May 19, 2024 4:10pm
      - Mike
        
        It’s not apparent that private investors could successfully establish a new airport in NZ. Smart capitalists prefer to buy into infrastructure already paid for by taxpayers.
        
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        May 19, 2024 5:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well if Wellywood INTERNATIONAL Airport expands, how big will the bars be?
    Tory Whanau.//
    
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    May 19, 2024 3:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Anyway, what happened in Wellywood yesterday outside Te Papa?
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May 19, 2024 11:58am
- JimBobJoe
  
  A few hundred hard left activist stood around in the cold, occasionally throwing urine and excrement at people.
  
  The activists didnt like being filmed and got aggressive with a female videoing them
  
  You know normal hard left fxxxtard behaviour…
  
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  May 19, 2024 4:22pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  According to legacy media – 500 pro trans people went to protest. Apparently 1 dropped a stink bomb and the smell wafted into Te Papa. There were no signs of anything on the ground from the jar of mystery liquid.
  
  According to kiwiblog yesterday a protester threw a jar of excrement, possibly human, over the front door and a security person.
  
  Which one do you believe?
  
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  May 19, 2024 6:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

NZ could lose the beaches from the high water mark to 12 nautical miles out to sea.
Nobody is listening. The Waitangi Tribunal are going to tell the Govt what they want!
Things are getting alarming.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/potaka-the-waitangi-tribunal-the-coup-and-the-national-partys-loss-of-control/

The video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBPXxi4tDVM
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May 19, 2024 12:08pm
- Notsofast
  
  There will be a TV series one day.
  How the west was lost.
  
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  May 19, 2024 12:53pm
  - Mike
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decline_of_the_West?wprov=sfla1
    
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    May 19, 2024 3:32pm
- Mike
  
  Where are the beaches going?
  
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  May 19, 2024 12:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You could watch the video and find out Mike.
    The beaches stay, but you have to pay.
    Don’t buy a boat Mike. Don’t even buy togs, unless you have a credit card pocket in your togs.
    With some thinking, you will get the idea!
    
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    May 19, 2024 3:38pm
Maggie Pie

Did Diddy Do It?
Diddy Did Done It.

(TWKWK)
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May 19, 2024 12:25pm
- Ghost
  
  I wonder who Diddy will drag down with him. His former bodyguard I think it was mentioned a prince. perhaps prince frostbite from the house of Me Gain.
  
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  May 19, 2024 12:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just got an email from DPF of the Taxpayer’s Union about debt will hit $90,000 per household tonight.
I don’t see it on the Taxpayer’sUnion website.
A link goes to the Debt Clock live.

https://www.debtclock.nz/?

The trailer under that Debt Clock was made by your’s truly.
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May 19, 2024 12:28pm
- Jethrod
  
  Truly?
  
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  May 19, 2024 12:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well the email from the Taxpayer’s Union said in the ‘From Column,’ said David Farrar.
    I do know he has left it.
    
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    May 19, 2024 3:48pm
Ghost

Greens starting to ~~whitewash~~ greenwash the behaviour of an mp who not only bullies other mp’s but shop owners

Green Party co-leader Chloe Swarbrick says Green MP Julie Anne Genter’s intimidating behaviour was not comparable to a previous case involving a National MP – despite her attributing a description of Tim van de Molen’s behaviour to that of her MP’s.

Article
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- AitchW
  
  It’s ALWAYS different when they do it. They are trying to prevent global boiling, she just got a little too passionate that’s all. She’s getting conflict resolution training now, nothing to see here.
  Given the willingness of the green movement to instigate conflict, the hypocrisy of her undergoing conflict resolution training is staggering.
  
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  May 19, 2024 2:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  WTF has a National MP’s actions got to do with Genter’s bullying?
  Trump paid a hooker – so what? Bill Clinton did it many times.
  Slowbrick, stop diverting!!!
  
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  May 19, 2024 3:53pm
  - Mike
    
    Trump has spoken publicly about his payments to hookers?
    
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    May 19, 2024 5:47pm
- rouppe
  
  Swarbrick: “I am assuming you are talking about the behaviour of Julie Anne Genter which she obviously immediately apologised for.”
  
  She did not immediately apologize to Doocey. She only apologized to the Speaker.
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:45pm
Chuck Bird

An excellent article for those who do not hate Jews like the Greens and the Maori Party racist.

SHEREE TROTTER: Defrocking Decolonisation’s Priesthood

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/sheree-trotter-defrocking-decolonisation-s-priesthood?postId=16d2158d-75f2-46fc-951a-eb59fb60eea9&utm_campaign=36fa016a-5dfd-45fd-a6f6-4a04e22930dd&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&utm_content=a0a6bbd1-c53d-4118-9349-2d322ae523c5&cid=5ad2ad14-ab55-4e15-92b1-7b9538cabd9b
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- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Chuck, you can remove all of the rubbish in the URL back to the question mark:
  
  postId=16d2158d-75f2-46fc-951a-eb59fb60eea9&utm_campaign=36fa016a-5dfd-45fd-a6f6-4a04e22930dd&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&utm_content=a0a6bbd1-c53d-4118-9349-2d322ae523c5&cid=5ad2ad14-ab55-4e15-92b1-7b9538cabd9b
  
  Then you have:
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/sheree-trotter-defrocking-decolonisation-s-priesthood?
  I don’t mind, but it is just a little help given. Apparently, all of the rubbish is for tracking, numbers of views etc,
  
  Yep, the shortened URL does work.
  
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  May 19, 2024 4:01pm
  - rouppe
    
    You won’t need the final question mark either.
    
    That’s used by browsers to work out where the first parameter starts.
    
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    May 19, 2024 8:40pm
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      I found some did not work without the question mark, but that could be the URL text too.
      
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      May 20, 2024 8:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well, Chris Luxon made some sense. Someone gave him some small cojones.
Let’s see this continue please.
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May 19, 2024 3:18pm
Maggie Pie

They were just discussing this case on SkyNews.

Reminded me of when Confucious said….. “A picture is worth a thousand words”.
So what’s the first thing you think off when you see this one?

Comes as no surprise to me at all 🙁

https://x.com/smh/status/1791672694297219511
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May 19, 2024 4:09pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Handy ‘them’ being bar-coded isn’t it?
  
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  May 19, 2024 5:49pm
Mike

Up the Wahs!
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May 19, 2024 5:51pm
- blue collar
  
  With ya on this one brother Mike !!
  
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  May 19, 2024 8:41pm
Muttonbird

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hamilton-police-urge-airbnb-owners-to-be-cautious-after-claims-three-homes-burgled/JRQOC57ETFGZVFCDTQZMH2N3FU/

Airbnb properties shouldn’t exist in Hamilton.
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May 19, 2024 8:27pm
softail 1450

The Iranian President and foreign minister are missing after their helicopter crashed and can’t be located, two things come to mind (1) they are missing (2) the Israelis didn’t 😂😂😂
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- Ghost
  
  They’ve been located
  
  The exact location of the helicopter crash carrying Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi, the country’s foreign minister and other officials, has reportedly been detected.
  
  A massive rescue operation in a fog-shrouded forest was underway in the mountainous northwest reaches of Iran after reports the helicopter went down.
  
  Article
  
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  May 20, 2024 9:39am
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    Israel reporting no survivors
    
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