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artemisia

Mike Hosking marks the the Waitangi Tribunal yesterday. The Waitangi Tribunal: 4/10 Why don’t they just write the one report? Just say “we hate national”, “we hate everything they are doing”, “everything they are doing is racist” and just hand a new copy out every time someone whinges?

Looking like recent applications are driven by politically motivated activists or folk who see their lucrative income stream draining away. They are not necessarily two different groups. The sets in the Venn diagram could show a telling story.
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May 18, 2024 8:06am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The Waitangi Tribunal mistakes its constitutional role. It needs to be put firmly back in its box.
  
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  May 18, 2024 8:08am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  The tribunal is simply doing what it was established to do fifty years ago – investigating and making recommendations on claims brought by Māori about government actions that breach the promises made in the treaty.
  
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  May 18, 2024 8:21am
  - Clyde
    
    It has evolved, or devolved, into nothing other than a platform for the radical/radicalised pack of troughers. The tribunal is well past it’s used by date. Give it 6 months to deal with anything urgent and then wind it up. Good riddance.
    
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    May 18, 2024 8:26am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    And like the Race Relations Commissioner, and the Heritage folk – it’s their job to determine whether complaints have merit or not. They fail in that job when they become nothing more than a megaphone for the malcontent.
    
    PS “megaphone for the malcontent” – wow, that’s a good one, sometimes Dudly impresses even his creator
    
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    May 18, 2024 8:30am
    - I remember when
      
      Is it their intention that they become the Upper House of Parliament?
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:25am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That’s pretty much the policy of Te Maori Party:
        
        IMPLEMENTING CONSTITUTIONAL TRANSFORMATION
        
        We demand a Māori Parliament, exactly the same as has been granted to the Irish, the Scots and the Welsh. Westminster did not work for the Scots or the Irish – Wellington definitely does not work for Māori. Our right to self-governance and self-determination is clear. All fiscal transfers to this Māori Parliament have been clearly identified by the Māori Party in the release of its policies. Mainstream management of matters Māori will come to an end.
        
        https://www.maoriparty.org.nz/mana_motuhake
        
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        May 18, 2024 1:31pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I don’t recall a separate health ministry being in the treaty. Perhaps you could share the relevant section, Mike?
    
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    May 18, 2024 8:32am
  - artemisia
    
    The Waitangi Tribunal began with 3 members. It now has 20.
    
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    May 18, 2024 8:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      So?
      
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      May 18, 2024 8:35am
      - Inandout
        
        m&m, the taxpayer funds this.
        
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        May 18, 2024 8:37am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        “politically motivated activists or folk who see their lucrative income stream draining away”
        
        Even someone as deliberately obtuse as you can join those dots, milky.
        
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        May 18, 2024 8:39am
      - Mike
        
        While it might be a tenet of Leadenthinks’s philosophy that people only take on public roles for petty and venal reasons, not everyone shares his dismal view of human nature.
        
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        May 18, 2024 8:49am
      - Damocles11
        
        So why does it now have 20, and will it continue expanding & at what cost to the taxpayer? If it’s ‘inquiries’ are non-binding, why have them?
        Let’s be honest: from the Waitangi Tribunal’s viewpoint, the government cannot pick its nose without consulting Maori. If Maori veto what the government is doing, clearly it is the Tribunal’s view that the government must stop doing it.
        That is not a functioning democracy. That is – to all intents and purposes – rule of this country by Maori. There is no other way of looking at it.
        I want to live in a functioning democracy. Most other sane and productive people do as well. Racial separatism and a power struggle over who is running the country will have more people selling up and going overseas. They will be working people that this country needs. If the Left and racial separatists are so determined to have this country & ‘the powers that be’ are happy for this to happen, then everyone has their breaking point as to what they can tolerate.
        
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        May 18, 2024 8:59am
    - Paulus
      
      Remember it is all about Money ultimately !
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:02am
      - I remember when
        
        Yeah/Nah.
        Much of it is about positioning to gain some advantage at a future date!
        
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        May 18, 2024 11:16am
    - AitchW
      
      It would be interesting to see how much it grew under different governments and what was the justification for each increase in size.
      I suspect that there will be a pattern.
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:42am
    - Sacha
      
      -and goodness knows how many hangers-0n.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:05am
      - AitchW
        
        I’m sure there will be a significant number of support staff. Would it be cynical to wonder how many are family of tribunal members?
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:12pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Pre European Māori had a slave economy. Their hierarchy still operate in the same manner only we’re the slaves.
      
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      May 18, 2024 2:25pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The claims are vexatious.
    
    I decided it was a scam when they ruled that the Government had denied Maori access to the covid vaccine when the evidence showed the exact opposite. Stupidly the government handed over vast amounts of money to Maori organisations to ‘help Maori get vaccinated’. What happened to the money?
    
    Many Maori did not want to be vaccinated. As was their right. It was as simple as that.
    
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    May 18, 2024 8:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The money went to the same place it always goes to, imo. The Elites.
      
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      May 18, 2024 8:58am
      - cas
        
        I was talking to a Maori guy the other day who is now a hard working tradie. We ended up talking about settlements to iwi and what they do with it. His opinion was that it goes on flash cars etc and nothing trickles down. He had been stiffed by his iwi who promised him and colleagues study and work after they completed it, then pulled the plug out leaving them in debt.
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:56am
    - cmm
      
      “As was their right. ”
      
      Naah, no rights. They were bought and paid for by Labour. Labour felt they “own” them.
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:14am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        More like Maori owned Labour. Labour’s crawling to Maori was abnoxious.
        Chris Luxon is doing the same.
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:20am
      - Damocles11
        
        Maori and Labour are in symbiosis. Labour delivers to Maori everything Maori desire in return for support, and Maori deliver to Labour their support in return for everything they desire. It’s a feedback loop. Maori can yank Labours chain and keep it in line by transferring electorate votes to TPM, and when Labour ‘delivers for Maori’ the votes can be transferred back.
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:28am
      - AitchW
        
        Give a man a fish….
        It’s the same with a sector of society. Treat it like dependant children and its members who choose to accept the welfare will rapidly become addicted to handouts.
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        AitchW,
        That is exactly it. Welfare dependent. There are generations who have never worked and paid TAX ffs.
        
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        May 18, 2024 5:37pm
    - Phronesis
      
      Needless to say many of the recipients of the money didn’t have the skills or experience to run a vaccination program. Storage of the vaccine was a particular issue and thousands probably received vaccines that were stored improperly and ineffective. It should have been a major scandal but of course that would have been racist.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:15am
  - Grunter
    
    Miken
    Nah, you are wrong again. It was set up almost 50 years ago to settle land claims. Leftards like you then got hold of it and turned it into the racist cesspit of Marxism that it now spews out.
    
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    May 18, 2024 8:57am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It wasn’t set up to settle land claims.
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Um, yes it was Mike. You know this buddy!!
        
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        May 18, 2024 5:38pm
  - Paulus
    
    Was it not to make recommendations on Treaty Land Settlements only ?
    Ask Palmer if he is still around !
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:01am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No.
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:47am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Paulus: Further to mikenmildagain’s correct reply to you, the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975, is a detailed piece of legislation. Start your journey to greater knowledge by first, perusing the Preamble to, and section 5 of, the said Act, here, https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1975/0114/latest/DLM435368.html?
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He introduced the first 5 or 6 Principles, which had no definition.
      
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      May 18, 2024 12:40pm
      - Mike
        
        No, he didn’t.
        
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        May 18, 2024 4:21pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mike, he did.
        
        https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
        
        Now look at pages 16 – 17. 1989.
        
        Then for a full list of the Principles
        https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Treaty-Principles.pdf
        
        Fill ya boots Mike! I think slander of Julian Batchelor is coming 🙂
        
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        May 18, 2024 5:46pm
  - surfing
    
    For how many thousands of years do you think the maori will / should be grieving?
    
    Can maori ever stand on their own two feet ? Or , are they simply a hopeless cause?
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:09am
    - AitchW
      
      Maori do stand on their own feet, and most do.
      It’s only the feckless, the wasted and the entitled who choose to play the victim card.
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Waitangi Tribunal is acting as if it is a separate arm of Government.
    It is nothing more than an advisory body…though fast morphing into a self-interest lobby group.
    
    It is past its use-buy date.
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Cane someone tell them that we don’t even care about their advice anymore?
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:22am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Who are these ‘we’ on whose behalf you presume to speak, Steve?
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:45am
      - stewmar
        
        More like Maori owned Labour. Labour’s crawling to Maori was abnoxious.
        Chris Luxon is doing the same
        
        Steve, give one example of how Luxon is crawling to maori.
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:48am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The “we” is not lefties Mike. Sorted is for you.
        
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        May 18, 2024 11:54am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Enough of your collectivist nonsense, Steve.
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:16pm
    - AitchW
      
      The tribunal has certainly redefined the meaning of full and final….
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:49am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Think this applies here:
      “You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.” -Ollie Cromwell
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “claims brought by Māori about government actions that breach the promises made in the treaty.”
    That is in the Tribunal’s opinion only Mike.
    I see you have disappeared quick!
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:16am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is only* the Tribunal’s opinion.
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:23am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        Actually it is also the Tribunal’s only opinion!
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:56pm
    - I remember when
      
      The Treaty was a document that set out the land ownership details.
      It further stated that the government/crown would by responsible for running the country.
      The Waitangi Tribunal, as has been stated here many times, was to define tribal ownership of land for government recompense in cases of dispute.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:05am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The Waitangi Tribunal of 1975 was set up to rip off the Net Taxpayer.
        
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        May 18, 2024 11:56am
  - julesnzuk
    
    The Treaty of Waitangi simply made Maori British subjects and gave them the same rights as other British subjects (ie New Zealand citizens since the adoption of the Statute of Westminster). In what way, pray tell, is this being breached?
    
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    May 19, 2024 3:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The “gravy train” is slowing down?
  
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  May 18, 2024 8:56am
  - pdm
    
    Hopefully Steve.
    
    It is hard to be certain with Te Reo’ Luxon in charge.
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:02am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, he is not learning.
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:24am
- Simon
  
  Lol Waitangi Tribunal. No amount of Maorification minching around is going turn around those appalling social stats for Maori. They just make it worse.
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:13am
- John Loveridge
  
  Since absolutely every bloody thing seems to breach the wretched Treaty of Waitangi there seems little point in having an expensive tribunal to continually remind us.
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:30am
- Ra Henare
  
  It would seem that the Palmer Government is to blame when it set out Section 5 and 6 of the Waitangi Act.
  Functions of the Tribunal which are as wide as the Pacific ocean or wider.
  
  Basically anybody can lay a claim about anything and the Tribunal is obliged to investigate and report.
  
  https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1975/0114/latest/DLM435368.html#DLM435515
  
  The saving grace is the Government is not obliged to act on any said reports.
  
  The current Governmnet could agree not to replace current tribunal members when their term expires. Legally they only need 3 members, currently it is at the maximum 20.
  
  The coalition wants cost savings. There will be a costly infrastructure supporting 20 members. I wonder what the cost reduction would be supporting 3?
  
  https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/about/members-of-the-waitangi-tribunal/
  
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  May 18, 2024 6:45pm
  - Quail
    
    Just to remind debaters that legislation has been passed to the effect that ; Any Crown owned land must be offered to Māori interests prior to sale.
    Cherry picking yes, can even quote instances where this option was declined.
    Really does nor matter much ,private property rights have largely been destroyed by successive Governments regulation fest —- think RMA etc.
    
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    May 18, 2024 7:40pm
    - Ghost
      
      Not all crown land is part of the right of first refusal.
      
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      May 18, 2024 8:04pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Quail, which legislation are you referring to?
      
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      May 18, 2024 8:41pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Nicely judged by Simeon. The Akld – Hamilton train still runs for the remainder of its 5 year trial, but passengers and/ or ratepayers have to chip in more. Making them put their money where their mouths are.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/05/nzta-waka-kotahi-to-continue-funding-te-huia-train-service-but-at-reduced-rate.html
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May 18, 2024 8:06am
- artemisia
  
  How many travel this train free? They will be included in the pax number but not the income from fares number. Am I right?
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:32am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I think the revenue number includes MSD’s contribution on behalf of Gold card passengers. Which makes the reported farebox recovery number even more suspect.
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:19pm
    - AitchW
      
      But the Regional Council heard from ‘the tamariki’ just yesterday that they like Te Huia because it’s part of their future!
      And I’ll bet that not one tamariki was coached by his/her parents or teacher.///
      
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      May 18, 2024 5:20pm
- I remember when
  
  Te Huia’s carriages are spacious and comfortable inside: Photo credit Newshub.
  
  Even after all of the passengers are seated!
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:50am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The sinking lid policy.
  
  I think Brown will be a PM later in his life, yes he does seem a bit baby faced, but he does seem to be over everything he does and he tells it like it is
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:15pm
- Damocles11
  
  How is that ‘nicely done’? Axe the loss-making fiasco now.
  
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  May 18, 2024 7:00pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    It’s about giving its most ardent fans the opportunity to fund it themselves. Which, of course, they won’t do. Thereby demonstrating their hypocrisy.
    
    As a salutary lesson, that’s worth a few bucks (most of which will already have been spent on carriages etc).
    
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    May 18, 2024 8:19pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

In Iceland they’re experimenting with drilling into volcanic magma chambers in search of geothermal energy. Being super-hot, the power output is phenomenal. While the tech is not yet ready, could be it’s a way forward for NZ.

Auckland, you could lead the country! What could possibly go wrong? Apart from the koha, of course.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/How-Iceland-Became-a-Global-Leader-in-Renewable-Energy.html
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May 18, 2024 8:12am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Is that what happened to Grindavik?
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:28am
- Phronesis
  
  In theory you could do this anywhere in the world. If I was investing my own money I’d bet on this long before fusion. It’s an area that really deserves to have a few hundred billion thrown at it. If the climate change nutters actually wanted to decarbonise energy they would be all over this.
  
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  May 18, 2024 11:23am
- CJames
  
  Iceland’s geothermal power production is conventional like NZ and they only have about a third of what we do.
  The drilling into the superheated rock is just a science fantasy on rocket fuel. Easy to get money if you put climate change in the label. They haven’t got material which can stand those conditions, drill rigs that can go that deep, and the fluid down there won’t be containable. One well that hit a shallower “cooler” resource was discharging superheat hydrochloric acid vapour until they managed to seal it.
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So what is really going on here?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/health/other/i-m-not-aware-luxon-responds-to-kiwi-teen-s-attempt-to-remove-own-breasts-at-home/ar-BB1mwImb?
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May 18, 2024 8:15am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  One of the answers Steve is that it is an activist media trying to embarrass Luxon over the fact he doesn’t know about every teenager who self mutilates in New Zealand. It was initially reported in a medical journal which is probably appropriate but has now been hijacked by the wider media.
  
  This is a personal tragedy developing for the family of this young person, leave it there for them to solve and not use it for the activist agenda or potentially to give others similar thoughts. Every time I think the media have reached rock bottom they prove me wrong.
  
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  May 18, 2024 8:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I suspect the incident and surgery occurred during the last Government…i.e. during the Andrew Little regime of restructuring the Health Service.
    
    It really is ridiculous expecting the current PM to be cognisant of all the details of a piece of correspondence that had just been published in the NZ Medical Journal .
    
    https://nzmj.org.nz/journal/vol-137-no-1595/an-act-of-desperation-self-attempted-gender-affirming-mastectomy
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:44am
    - Sacha
      
      We do not need to know of the desperation acts of the mentally ill.
      Such matters used to be regarded as private, and. confidential to the sufferer, their family, and medical advisors.
      Broadcasting to the media & gossip columns reduces the sufferer to being seen as a grotesque entertainment as observers shiver with horrified delight.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:21am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Is the article opinion or facts? Why should he have to have an opinion on an opinion, if it’s facts, why does he have to be across all facts just released.
      All he should do is say sorry, I haven’t read that.
      
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      May 18, 2024 12:21pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Anyone who tries this on themselves has more serious problems than body image.
  Is this supposed to throw us into a state of blind panic and immediately fund these operations so that they don’t harm themselves ?
  Blackmail ?
  
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  May 18, 2024 8:27am
  - lifesgood
    
    Mentally ill, that’s all. Nothing to do with govt regulations or funding.
    
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    May 18, 2024 1:16pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, can’t open link but it has been covered as regards the sanity of the ‘remover’.
  
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  May 18, 2024 8:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Works for me. Chuck has a post on it below.
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:03pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Is this what we pay taxes for?
  
  Luxon promises more money for ‘healthcare in general’ in response to calls for better access to gender-affirming surgery
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2024/05/luxon-promises-more-money-for-healthcare-in-general-in-response-to-calls-for-better-access-to-gender-affirming-surgery.html
  
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  May 18, 2024 8:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In my opini0n the Govt need to spend more mony on health by opening up the mental institutions.
    People who do this are clearly unwell – never happened 20 – 30 years ago. It is just the direction mental problems have gone.
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:04am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It is not 20 years.
      
      In the Anglo countries, the explosion in numbers of teen girls deciding they are male has happened in the last 6 to 8 years.
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:09am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That is what I was meaning, unheard of 20 years ago.
        How about these girls prove themselves by competing in men’s sports?
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:26am
      - I remember when
        
        Was the start when lesbian ‘husbands’ seemed to get increasing ‘butch’ in appearance?
        Is it the ‘natural’ advance?
        The Topp Sisters promoted the acceptance of lesbians by the general public.
        Did they also, unintentionally, encourage girls to think they could become male simply by dressing accordingly?
        
        It was simple.
        
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        May 18, 2024 10:38am
      - Notsofast
        
        It was unheard of until Inside Out and similar organisations poisoned the children.
        
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        May 18, 2024 11:08am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Radical feminist theory that would not acknowledge that there are gender differences birthed the trans ideology.
        
        These were the people who felt it was good to encourage toddler boys to play more girly games, have more feminine toys etc. To prove that we are a product of nurture not nature. Girls can be the same as boys.
        
        So now these confused toddlers have grown up and are biting back the hand that fed them and the rest of society as well. Do you think, like the protection provided by Destiny Church to those fleeing the Let Women Speak gathering, this will need some masculinity to correct?
        
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        May 18, 2024 11:47am
    - I remember when
      
      Do they have mental problems or media promotion problems?
      They are at an age when they are searching for relevance.
      Two minutes of imagined ‘fame’ is better than no fame at all.
      
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      May 18, 2024 10:23am
    - Paulus
      
      I have yet to hear why and where the Mental Health of New Zealand has increased exponentially over recent years – some irrelevant crap answer is expected.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:13am
    - Phronesis
      
      I do wonder to what extent this fashion has been caused by the feminists endlessly claiming that women are discriminated against. The so-called wage gap, glass ceiling, etc etc. If you’re indoctrinated into this way of thinking and then told you get to choose your gender, you can see why some would choose not to be a woman.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:29am
      - miltonF
        
        That’s an interesting observation, because there is also a lot of young men that feel they are hard done by, and want to become women.
        
        It would be illogical to suggest both women and men are discriminated against. I would suggest that only one of these groups is ACTUALLY discriminated against.
        
        My feeling is that Women are being manipulated by emotion, misinformation and social group think. There is zero benefit of transitioning from a woman to a man. My feeling is that men are not being manipulated but can see that women get preferential treatment in society, so LOGICALLY want to become women. I bet you a dime a dozen this will become apparent when looking at detransition rates. I can see a lot of FTM ladies regretting their decision when they realise the reality of being a man.
        
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        May 18, 2024 5:58pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      Steve – they have no interest in “proving themselves by competing in men’s sports”. It’s entitled males claiming to be women who get off on doing that. These girls are mentally ill and have a pathological hated of their female bodies, that’s all.
      
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      May 19, 2024 4:03am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You are correct.
        
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        May 19, 2024 10:44am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Good on him for not answering that crap
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:22pm
- Nukuleka
  
  A girl attempting to cut off her breasts is no more an ‘act of desperation’ than someone attempting to cut off their leg or a nose. It is a sign of psychological illness and needs to be treated as such.
  
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  May 18, 2024 8:46am
  - kowtow
    
    And that insanity extends to the legacy media who refer to the girl as a he .
    
    While what’s left of the west literally obsess over the imagined rights of a tiny minority of very disturbed , attention seeking individuals and the weather ,an axis of authoritarian dictatorships wage war or prepare to against real freedom, decency and democracies across the globe.
    
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    May 18, 2024 8:56am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Meanwhile , as we discuss this insanity , in the background they legislate abnormal to be the new normal and the truth to be lies.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The problem is the boys taking pills to grow titties and lose hair that will not cut off their wangers
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:23pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    Psychiatric (not “psychological”).
    
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    May 19, 2024 4:04am
- artemisia
  
  I think one reason is some women in, or wanting to be, in a same sex relationship have always wanted to take a male role. But the main option until recently was the suit, tie and crew cut. Or just live very quietly and don’t scare the horses.
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:35am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Why can’t a woman be more like a man?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Doz5w2W-jAY&t=59s
    
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    May 18, 2024 10:46am
    - Michael Johnston
      
      She can if she wants. But she can no more become one than a fish can become a bicycle, surgery and hormones notwithstanding.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:01am
  - julesnzuk
    
    That has nothing to do with it. These girls are just mentally ill, that’s all. Gay women are actually among the most vociferous protesters against this trans shit.
    
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    May 19, 2024 4:08am
- slightlyrighty
  
  From the article….
  
  “A lack of access to gender-affirming surgery led to this act of desperation.”
  
  such bollocks…..it’s a lack of Mental Health care that is causing physically healthy young people to want to mutilate their own bodies in the quest to conform to their indoctrinated ‘selves’
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:40am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Slightlyrighty – both you and the author of the article want to see this travesty fixed but are not getting to the root cause of the problem.
    
    What is the source of the mental illness that has exploded into our society?
    
    For me, to fix any illness, physical or mental, the cause of the illness must be identified and addressed. Potentially the counselling and gender affirming care will feed the illness not alleviate it. Many of the gender confused are victims of poisoned minds. Until that is acknowledged at a societal level the healing cannot begin.
    
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    May 18, 2024 11:58am
    - Sacha
      
      Yes, but no-one else knew about them did they?
      It took adventurers like Captain Cook who explored the most unknown parts of the globe to report THEIR discoveries to the rest of the world.
      The Polynesian navigators only travelled as far as they needed in order to find new places to live and pursue their food-gathering existence.
      
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      May 18, 2024 12:59pm
Tasman devil

Has the Waitangi Tribunal criticised the demise of the Maori Health Authority? Yes it has.

It cost $400,000,000 and achieved not one metric set in its 13 months. That is code for nothing to help Maori health.

That money could have been spent on training more doctors to help Maori……. but wait there is a new medical school being set up in the Waikato where the Maori King lives.

Has the Waitangi Tribunal and the Maori King celebrated that advance for Maori Health?

No, they don’t care about outcomes for Maori but only being negative to the point past wilful blindness.

If they were genuine Maori they would have whakama. They wouldn’t know the word.
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May 18, 2024 8:21am
softail 1450

Artemisia, These unelected officials in the public service are going to spend the next 2 1/2 years attacking the coalition with the aid of our disgusting biased sham MSM ,it’s going to get far worse and will probably become so constant that the stupid NZ voters will change their minds and remove support from possibly our last chance to halt our slipping down the slope to 3rd world status, it’s bordering on treason to set out to destroy a government that is trying to restore your country’s finances.
It’d be like your accountant telling you your business is in deep trouble and you anonymously ringing all your customers and telling them your products are rubbish, unbelievable actually.
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May 18, 2024 8:28am
NeverMindTheBollocks

NZ law makers have clearly learned nothing from overseas experience. In Europe & the US, asylum seekers are housed in the community, and are overrun. Australia stopped the boats coming by not doing that.

NZ should consider a camp on the Chathams.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/517074/call-to-protect-asylum-seekers-who-may-arrive-in-new-zealand-by-boat
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May 18, 2024 8:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What do they need protection from? Taniwha?
  As for a place to store them, how abour Watchman’s Island, just west of the Auckland Harbour Bridge?
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:42am
- Master Mariner
  
  Im not even going to read this nonsense.
  Or even need to debate the sheer lunacy of it ever happening due too NZ’s isolation.
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only if they convert a yacht and have a competent person skipper it.
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:08pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Sorry should of worded it better NMTB, Comment aimed at RNZ .
    Can anyone remember @ 10 yrs ago the Media reported that a boat landed in the middle of West Aus stating they were heading too NZ? I believe they were Sri Lankans asylum seekers ?
    Where they going to truck there boat accros the Nullabour and re-launch from the East coast and on there Merry way too NZ //
    I have seen numerous people smuggling vessels at sea and fully know there operation.
    Best too be avoided .
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:40pm
- MCōs
  
  NZ has never had an issue with asylum seekers arriving by boat that I’m aware of and there’s more important things to worry about in the big scheme of things
  There are 15-20k overstayers of various ethnicities, rife for exploitation if you’re looking for someone who’ll work for $10/hr cash in hand
  
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  May 18, 2024 11:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Make it $25 and we have a deal.
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:10pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    A boat was cut off coming from the sea south of Aussie was It not, I seem to remember the Aussie coast guard intercepting a boat, their destination was NZ west coast
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:27pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      See above comment G.
      
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      May 18, 2024 12:41pm
David Garrett

The Waitangi Tribunal lost all credibility when Michael Basset resigned. Hosking is quite right – it is now just an echo chamber full of Maori finding racism in absolutely everything.

Wait for it to start “recommending” that every single claim to “exclusive use and possession” of prime beaches is warranted, and justice requires the claim(s) to be upheld.
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May 18, 2024 8:41am
- G152
  
  Racists accusing all others of racism is getting boring and when they do it from a racist based group based upon the founding document of NZ it gets over the top.
  And Captain Cook found and mapped New Zealand he did NOT settle the country
  
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  May 18, 2024 8:49am
  - David Garrett
    
    G152: It is actually more than sad that Cook’s magnificent feats are now being quite unjustly harshly criticised by those who should know better.
    
    I saw an interview recently with some morbidly obese Hawaiian academic who described him as ” a syphilitic racist”. I have never seen any evidence that Cook had syphilis – although I’m sure some of his men did – and all the evidence points him to being the polar opposite of a racist, especially for a man of his time.
    
    For example, he recorded that Maori were the finest physical specimens of humanity he had ever encountered in his explorations…but also that they were “habitual thieves”. Is it racist to record how he found their behaviour? Not for this boy.
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:44am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Anyone who can navigate the world in a 100 foot long sail boat gets my respect.
      A man of courage.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:35am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Confidence in his ship and crews abilities.
        You got that then things are easy.
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:43pm
    - AitchW
      
      Who is the racist? Capt Cook whose voyages were largely for scientific and cartographic purposes or the morbidly obese academic overindulging in the advantages of western civilisation and calling those who started the western influence racists?
      
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      May 18, 2024 3:27pm
  - Mike
    
    Captain Cook didn’t find NZ. Polynesian navigators had done that hundreds of years earlier.
    
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    May 18, 2024 11:07am
    - ChrisB
      
      Actually, Chinese navigators found the country thousands of years before the Polynesians.
      
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      May 18, 2024 12:01pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        No, they didn’t.
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:20pm
      - Ghost
        
        Mike is right, they didn’t. The Chinese were by 1420. First Māori settlers were 1250 to 1300
        
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        May 18, 2024 5:36pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Boring petty semantics to propagate us v them thinking.
      
      It is actually possible to understand that NZ has been discovered by more than one person on more than one occasion. Polynesian sailors (whose names have not been preserved in a written history), Abel Tasman, and James Cook. Cook has the particular honour of fully circumnavigating and documenting the land of NZ.
      
      They were all pushing past the point of the known and bravely travelling a path uncharted. Something for those of Polynesian, Dutch and English origins to be inspired by. But also something for those of the human race to be inspired by.
      
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      May 18, 2024 12:11pm
    - AitchW
      
      Name one of these mythical Polynesian navigators.
      While you’re at it, name the Polynesian navigators who went to Antarctica.
      
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      May 18, 2024 5:24pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  “….chamber full of Maoris”
  
  It’s plural DG. You corrected me on something last week 😀
  
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  May 18, 2024 8:53am
  - kevn
    
    Maggie… Lower case m? As in maori?
    
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    May 18, 2024 8:56am
  - David Garrett
    
    Maggie: As I am sure you know, there is apparently no plural in te reo, and so “Maoris” is now out of fashion…and racist of course.
    
    Funnily enough, out here in the rural sector – I am currently back in the homeland – you often here “Maori” themselves refer to “you Maoris”. Of course they are shearers and agricultural workers, and not academics.
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:00am
    - greybeard
      
      Not only no plurals but all maori words end in a vowel, so “maoris” is doubly wrong. N’est-ce pas?
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:04am
      - PurplePen
        
        Depends what language you’re speaking when you say it. If you’re speaking maori then of course it would be just “Maori”. If you’re speaking english then it would be “Maoris”. Similarly with Iraqis, Israelis, Emiratis, Qataris …
        
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        May 18, 2024 8:04pm
    - pdm
      
      My understanding is Maori is both singular and plural.
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:05am
      - kowtow
        
        It’s whatever they want it to be.
        
        And the Elites will go along .
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:11am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @kowtow,
        Best we ask the Waitangi Tribunal wheter is is ‘Maori’ or Maoris.’
        They seem to have an opinion on everything Maori.
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:44am
    - pdm
      
      `you often here (hear) “Maori” themselves refer to “you Maoris”~’
      
      DG these days it is more youse Maori.
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:07am
      - David Garrett
        
        pdm: I recall calling Births Deaths and Marriages a few years ago to get a copy of my marriage certificate (the ex wanted it for some reason)
        
        The young Maori woman I spoke to said “So when did yous get married?” That’s what you get when you hire on racial quotas and not according to ability.
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:14am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Or “your fellas”
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:46am
      - I remember when
        
        DG:
        Are you certain she didn’t say “when did ewes.”
        Perhaps she thought you sounded slightly sheepish.
        
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        May 18, 2024 10:02am
    - David Garrett
      
      OMG!!! I cannot believe I used the wrong “here”…I blame jet lag …
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:11am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It is only 3 hours DG. I don’t even get jet lag going 9 1/2 hours to Hawaii.
        And they are only 2 hours ahead yesterday in time.
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:31am
      - David Garrett
        
        Steve O: I was joking mate…actually it was a very quick trip down…just over 2 hours 30. It’s a fucking sight cooler in Kaukapakapa than in Nuku’alofa!!
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There it is DG. “down”
        Quick trip because yoe flew downhill.
        Said that to our host Jayson when our flight from Hawaii to Alaska was under 4 hours instead of over 4 1/2. Got a funny look. Alaskans are not weird, just different.
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:14pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Where I grew up in the Far North they refer to each other as “yous fullas”.
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:33am
      - Cassandra
        
        Fellas. X fellows. Fullas is just how peasants pronounce it.
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:56am
    - Mr Nobody NZ
      
      I would argue that if Maggie was speaking/writing in te reo you may be correct, however when speaking/writing in English that Maoris would be correct.
      
      🙂
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:32am
- Mike
  
  Sure. So in the ten years Bassett was on the tribunal, what were his most memorable dissents?
  
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  May 18, 2024 8:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Leaving?
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is prime beaches from the high water mark to 12km out to sea. That is double the distance to the horizon!
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:06am
- Damocles11
  
  ‘Broadcaster’ Derek Fox is listed as a Tribunal member. Why was he appointed? When was he appointed? What is his salary? This detail is missing from his Wiki biography, there is no mention at all of his Waitangi Tribunal role.
  What I did find on his Wiki bio –
  – He has been a Māori Party candidate in several elections.
  – Maori Party confirms Fox’s domestic violence history.
  “He has been guilty of physical abuse 30 or 40 years ago with his wife, and families dealt with that at the time,” Prof Winiata said. “Subsequently, 15 or 16 years ago, he and his partner at the time had an encounter and Derek reported that to the police.”
  – In January 2015, Fox became the subject of considerable public controversy for a Facebook post that blamed Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier for causing the deaths of the victims in the Paris terror attacks.
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:10am
  - John Loveridge
    
    I’ve said it before: a fatal weakness in Maori culture and society is the tendency to elevate and venerate its very worst members as its leaders. It’s a sizeable topic for further discussion, but we all know the obvious examples: I will start with the appalling Tuku Morgan.
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:42am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      As opposed to the paragons of virtue who lead every other culture and society?
      
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      May 18, 2024 9:52am
      - I remember when
        
        Thank goodness we have our own ‘paragon of virtue.’
        
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        May 18, 2024 9:56am
      - John Loveridge
        
        Who said that? I didn’t.
        
        But more enlightened societies have developed measures against the excesses of these types, such as democracy, free speech, and rule of law. We can choose, then question our leaders and hold them to account when they’re found wanting, rather than just kowtow to them.
        
        Just as you, Milky, can come onto Kiwiblog and question us and hold us all to account. We are indeed fortunate to have you, and to operate in an environment that allows you to exist. Thank you, Milky.
        
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        May 18, 2024 10:33am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I merely pointed out that the faults you ascribe to Māori culture and society are hardly unique to that culture. Many leaders in other societies have found ample opportunities to be ‘the worst’, despite ‘ democracy, free speech, and rule of law’.
        
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        May 18, 2024 10:38am
      - ISeeRed
        
        @mikenmildagain You’re right, some Maoris do have to stop thinking they’re so special and different to everyone else.
        
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        May 19, 2024 12:31pm
DimChappie

Tune in to Simon Andersen today from 12 noon for live coverage outside the Inflection Point gender issues seminar in Wellington. He has some great camera and audio gear and gets near the action.
Address: Takina, 50 Cable St.

https://x.com/SimonRAnderson
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May 18, 2024 9:02am
- MCōs
  
  He’s blocked me for some reason
  I don’t even recall interacting with the chap
  
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  May 18, 2024 11:10am
- SimonRAnderson
  
  I started posting clips a couple of hours ago. It’s not me filming today, I’m editing and publishing material for the photographers on the ground.
  
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  May 18, 2024 11:41am
Benedict Yu

10 years ago the “Pōneke Anti-Fascist Coalition” and “Queer Endurance in Defiance” would only have appeared in comedies channelling Monty Python. Now they are here. 😳

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/516997/controversial-event-at-te-papa-to-go-ahead

The trans movement displays many of the characteristics of a cult. That is because ANY departure from the cult beliefs, and you are “hateful” or “transphobic”. Reasoned debate is not allowed.

You can’t ask “Why is there an explosion in numbers of teen girls wanting to be boys?” You need to chant “gender affirming care”. You can’t ask if amputating breasts and sterility might be a last resort rather than a first step when a girl says that she is a boy. You need to “affirm her”. To me, that sounds exactly like a religious chant.

Back to the conference today. It only runs for four hours. The speakers are mostly unknown. Without all the craziness, nobody would know it had happened. Instead, there will be protestors, TV cameras, police, politicians, all losing their minds.
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May 18, 2024 9:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  See the comments above about a teen removing het breast. That is HER breast, not HIS breast as the fucked media reports!
  As for the event at Te Papa, what’s the bet that the rainbow flag gets torn down?
  Bring on Brian Tamaki and his people protectors.
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:14am
- David Garrett
  
  Bene: Indeed…I believe it’s called “the Streisand effect”.
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:15am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  112 out of 120 of our politicians voted for the Conversion Therapy Practices Prohibition Act in 2022. The media and the activists like Lal told tales of the worst of conversion practices to justify the bill. But it has essentially meant that many reasonable and concerned people that would have been available to listen and talk with troubled teens have been scared off. In the meantime the promotion of Gender self-selection ideology has been amped up. At the extreme, Relationship Sexuality Education in schools is being run by trans activists, at the less extreme it is based on the anything goes model from Family Planning. I have directly observed the results of this with pre-pubescent 11year old girls and boys running around saying they are lesbian, bisexual, non-binary. No more real than them saying they want to be PM, Astronauts etc after a careers expo.
  
  If you actively confuse young people about their sexuality and scare off good people from being able to discuss this with them, is it a surprise that the gender identity revolution explodes?
  
  The big question now is will NZ politicians ever have the conviction or the courage to walk us back from this self-destructive position?
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:52am
- I remember when
  
  Social Media removes the need for scientific analysis.
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:55am
- Notsofast
  
  The speakers are very well known.
  Mia Hughes and Jennifer Bilek have researched the disgusting cult from the medical and the money respectively.
  And the locals have been pissing in the wind for years.
  
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  May 18, 2024 11:17am
kowtow

Front page Herald ; bunch of idiots saying no to mining gold at Waihi .

Same down south .

‘Ms Ter Huurne’s report said while the adverse effects on the physical environment could be appropriately managed, there was insufficient information from applicants to assess the potential effects on the “metaphysical” importance of the river to iwi.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/impact-iwi-uncertain

Debt everywhere , rates skyrocketing , our best and brightest off to Oz ( where they do mine stuff and have a much higher standard of living) and here we’re returning to paganism .Which our courts and largest political parties , including the Nats , support .

Madness.
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May 18, 2024 9:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  These same idiots saying ‘no’ don’t mind wearing that gold wedding ring…..
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:54am
  - Cassandra
    
    Marriage is very bourgeois.
    
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    May 18, 2024 9:58am
- John Loveridge
  
  Corruption too. I’m absolutely certain that metaphysical objections would be greatly eased if the mining company were to sign up to a “kawenata” with the local iwi elite something along these lines (Benedict’s link from yesterday’s post on Kiwirail):
  
  https://www.kiwirail.co.nz/media/kiwirail-and-te-atiawa-o-te-waka-a-maui-formalise-partnership-through-kawenata/
  
  You can be absolutely sure such “kawenata” involve much “koha”.
  
  Meanwhile there are many ordinary Maoris who don’t subscribe to all the bullshit who want and would benefit enormously from the jobs and they are being shafted by these reprehensible leeches.
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:26am
- MCōs
  
  About 45 years ago I did some permit drawings for friends of the family for a house on Māori land they were part owners of in the nearby Thames region
  Everything was fine until they took the documents to the council to apply for the permit and they were given a hard time to the point of nastiness
  It turned out that a lot of the land thereabouts was Māori land and back in the gold rush days miners applied for prospecting licenses and the land owners had no choice
  The miners were allowed to build temporary huts which were supposed to be demolished after they stopped prospecting, but over the years some huts were upgraded to permanent residences and were still there
  Then the owners, decades later, put their foot down and wanted their land back and the ‘temporary’ dwellings removed . . .
  I believe some of the people in the council may have been connected to these houses.
  The upshot was our friends, who had been unaware of this feud, wished they’d built somewhere else
  
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  May 18, 2024 11:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who/What does the Supreme Court serve?

Before Ellis, the courts accepted that tikanga-based custom could be recognised by the common law. But the courts did not recognise tikanga as a standalone legal framework. Ellis changed that at a stroke, elevating tikanga as “the first law of Aotearoa.”

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/roger-partridge-the-tikanga-challenge-for-law-schools-the-rule-of-law-and-parliament
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May 18, 2024 9:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “woke indoctrination” according to Winston Peters. He is on to it.
  Then there is the comment from the crazy Prof Jane Kelsey. ‘Rushing it?’ That is just what the Waitangi Tribunal wants, before they go out of business.
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:00am
Maggie Pie

And can’t let it go this morning without saying how ABFAB Judith is looking!

https://x.com/JudithCollinsMP/status/1791461701185106328

Yet see when you scroll down, see where that old Labour list MP and one time heroin addict Darien Fenton had to poke her nasty beak in 🙁

SHEESH!!
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May 18, 2024 9:23am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Get she has fun in that role!!!
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:35am
- nathie
  
  Took a look and initially wondered if that Darien Fenton X account was a parody account … but it appears to be genuine. 🙁
  
  So much sourness and bitterness … imagine being within earshot of her!
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I once saw her yelling at someone in the Birkenhead shopping area.
    Not a pretty sight, she lives a life of hate.
    
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    May 18, 2024 10:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s her, had her on FB she had the same vulgarities that she use to spout the house
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:39pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Fenton is a nut bar, she use to try an attack me on fb, when I opposed her vulgarities and put HER in her place how she was the worst MP in history she would attack me. Only when I had been engaging with said nutbar did I ever get a ban on FB, I suspect Ardern had a way of getting people banned, it was around the time when she started her CHCH call
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:39pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Arderns government were given access to their own portal to Facebook.
    That’s why she had so many “PR” staff. They worked 24/7 taking down criticism of the puppet dictator.
    Not sure if this government have the same privilege. Probably, they signed the Pfizer agreement as well don’t forget.
    
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    May 18, 2024 1:46pm
    - Ghost
      
      Internal affairs had access to the takedown portal, prime ministers department didn’t. I would expect they still do
      
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      May 18, 2024 2:22pm
Damocles11

The dreadful appeasement of the National Party towards Maori separatists is leading us nowhere good. John Key thought he could tame the Maori Party & instead we got UNDRIP, and the experience of the Maori Party being in government with hated-by-most-maori National Party then lead to a purge of anyone remotely sensible – and we have ended up with this insanely radicalised thing called ‘Te Pati Mati’. A ill thought out tactical ploy has become a total strategic disaster. Finlayson and his cronies have served us up on a platter to the separatists, and woke corporate manager Key has told woke corporate manager Luxon to muddle through with a mixture of a) bringing people like Potaka into the tent – where he can now hold National to ransom and b) playing ostrich about what is unfolding.
National have totally underestimated the radical nature of Maori separatism and the Maori leadership, and the strategy seems to be to continue to play ostrich and pray that it all blows over. This is cowardly. This is more of the same failed thinking that is only getting us deeper into the mire. Key betrayed us all, the Maori racial separatist electorates should have been axed when there was the opportunity to do it. Now the chance is gone, and we are faced with a scenario where the overhang Maori electorates will end up deciding elections. It is going to happen. The woke corporates will find out that country will go entirely to the dogs once a radical left separatist government of Labour / TPM / Greens gets their hands on power.
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May 18, 2024 9:23am
- I remember when
  
  If they can win all of the Maori electorates ‘Te Parti Maori’ will always have the potential to decide any election result.
  If they then become part of the government, they will have the power to dictate all policy outcomes.
  Of course, Labour Maori electorate members would also have the same powers.
  
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  May 18, 2024 9:46am
- David Garrett
  
  Damocles: The woke corporates will find out that country will go entirely to the dogs once a radical left separatist government of Labour / TPM / Greens gets their hands on power.
  
  I fear you are absolutely right.
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:35am
- leoj
  
  Key was weak re the maori money grab.
  
  Luxon is weaker.
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:21pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    He reminds me of Ned Flanders apologising to God : “Sure I’m meek, but I guess I could be meeker”
    
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    May 18, 2024 1:49pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Appeasement? I seen Luxon on the TV asked about the WT and wanting to go too court over everything, he said they can do what they like, but we will be getting rid of three waters, the Māori health authority, and any seperatist services, he was pretty clear we were voted in on these issues and we won’t be halted, don’t know how people can ignore that yet say he wants to appease.
  
  As I remember, Potaka wanted to get into the camp because like Tania Tapsell ( a third generation of leftie politicians) they see throwing money at Māori is not the answer, they are right of course, and if they can see that, then they know seperatist laws will not help
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:46pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Sk the Waitangi Tribunal can ‘do as it likes’ with taxpayer money and zero oversight, setting itself up as a Kangaroo Court and a focal point for growing separatist unrest. Yes, that is appeasement. Yes, that is weak. Very, very weak. Luxon acknowledging the mighty ‘Waitangi Tribunal’. This is a festering sore in our nation. Why is Derek Fox riding the gravy train for life, while many Kiwi’s are out there busting their guts every day to earn a crust? The government is impotent. If it cannot deal with this ‘Waitangi Tribunal’ then what power does government have?
    
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    May 18, 2024 7:08pm
Handyman

Classic mission creep.
The Waitangi Tribunal was set up to research and establish facts relating to land confiscation claims. The facts were laid before the tribe and government which then negotiated a compensation package.
Now…
1. It has unilaterally widened its scope to all things affecting Maori. Apparently, everything National does “disproportionately affects Maori”.
2. It has moved from a fact-finding body to a party to the negotiations.
3. It sees itself as the sole arbiter of the treaty interpretation.
4. It sees itself as a sort of Maori Supreme Court equal in status and authority to Parliament. This comes with power to subpoena and make binding “rulings”.
Oddly, it is a court where only one side puts its case.

I am sure it wanted veto power as proposed in the Australian “Voice” and the National election has canned (postponed?) its grand plan.

The solution is simple but politically impossible. Tie government funding to only land confiscation cases and let tribes fund the rest.
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May 18, 2024 9:28am
- kevn
  
  SteveO… Link no go.
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:19am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The Waitangi Tribunal was set up to research and establish facts relating to land confiscation claims.
  
  No, it wasn’t.
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:29am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Why, in your opinion, was it setup?
    
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    May 18, 2024 11:07am
  - MCōs
    
    “Set up by the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975, the Waitangi Tribunal is a permanent commission of inquiry that makes recommendations on claims brought by Māori relating to Crown actions which breach the promises made in the Treaty of Waitangi.”
    https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/
    There’s some more information there if you’re interested although I get the impression most people have already made up their minds
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:32pm
    - Handyman
      
      The Tribunal’s own website reflects the current understanding of its role, and does not align exactly with the principles of the Act.
      The principles of the Act are to address historical issues. It mentions “land” 290 times in a short Act.
      
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      May 18, 2024 2:16pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      The only promises made in the Treaty of Waitangi were that Maori would become British subjects and thus have the same rights as other British subjects. Now that all the land confiscation claims have been resolved what on earth are the ongoing breaches that require looking into?
      
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      May 19, 2024 4:22am
I remember when

The Trans-Tasman “Best Drinking Water” Contest as ended in a draw.
Is the result of this competition indicative of the worth of such events?
One of the judges was a wine taster.
A wine taster, why not some competitive athletes, regular gym attendees – people who regularly drink water.
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May 18, 2024 9:39am
- MCōs
  
  I regularly drink water too
  The only time I’ve been near a gym recently was when I needed to get from A to B
  A being the entrance
  B being the exit & entrance to the physioterrorist
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:26pm
Yvette

Iwi pledges to use only te reo Māori to communicate with Govt
The move comes after the government departments began to prioritise their English names and the finance minister questioned agencies funding te reo lessons for staff

A Māori language teacher advised his classes not to use te reo to endeavour to engage with any Māori, particularly the elderly, in assuming they were conversant, “because they may not be fluent enough to converse with you, and your revealing that could shame them for being ignorant of the mainstay of their own cultural heritage”

And then there is the possible difficulty, not only that whoever is talking only in te reo Māori, to some Government official, has the ability to express clearly and unequivocally what the detailed issue is, but that the Government agent has the same absolute fluency to received the advice or request with no fault in understanding –

like consider all the fucking trouble the understanding of ‘te kawanatanga katoa’ and a few other words have caused – for 184 years …
so far
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May 18, 2024 10:01am
- Ghost
  
  Good for them, they will likely get replies in Maori. That was never the issue, the issue was pushing Maori on to all. People should be able to communicate in Maori if they want to and get replies from government departments in maori
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:12am
  - Notsofast
    
    People should use English because the language is precise. Nothing else matters.
    Why does it take the only sane and most elderly MP to point out this stark fact.
    Te Reo is a fake language when naming words are made up.
    
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    May 18, 2024 11:30am
    - Ghost
      
      Māori is an offical language of this country. If Māori want to use it that is up to them.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:39am
    - MCōs
      
      Interestingly I was just discussing the imprecision of certain English words with my wife
      There’s a video of a fight between two groups of ladyboys in Phuket. She said someone was probably trying to steal another’s client.
      In Thai, she told me, there’s two different words for ‘steal’ depending on whether the action is legal or not.
      English is precise as a two bob watch at times
      
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      May 18, 2024 1:18pm
      - graham
        
        In English.
        
        “Steal” – take (another person’s property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
        
        “Requisition” – demand the use or supply of (something) by official order.
        
        You’re welcome.
        
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        May 18, 2024 8:00pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        And in English we have a number of ways of expressing all the various subtleties of “kreng-jai”. You’re saying nothing new. Yeah, in all languages some words are more precise or less precise than others.
        
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        May 19, 2024 12:43pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    Ghost – no, it is an Anglophone country and the only language used for official communications should be English. Maori is simply not widely spoken nor precise enough. (The face that for some ridiculous reason it was made “official” is just down to the stroke of a pen and means nothing).
    
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    May 19, 2024 4:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Slowly the Coup is creeping in.
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:15am
Yvette

Simply, under Te Tiriti o Waitangi, the Local Government Act and other legislation, Councils are required to provide opportunities for Māori to contribute to decision-making processes, as well as other obligations. This is in recognition of Māori as tangata whenua (indigenous people) of Aotearoa New Zealand and the Crown’s partner in Te Tiriti o Waitangi.

Where is any Treaty between the Crown and non-Māori New Zealanders?

And as there really is no sense in which the Māori claim to be closer to the land (mountains, rivers or ocean) can be demonstrated, then their individualism is simply a genetic disposition of some physical features, and that their ancestors lived in this country first before other human lineages (which science traces back all to a single commonality) arrived as the Maori immigrants initially had done, so their supposed exceptionalism rests entirely on the kindergarten sand-pit argument that “they were here first”.
I, in fact, was born before Tuku Morgan, Willie Jackson and Rawiri Waititi and Debbie Ngarewa-Packer –
I was here first
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May 18, 2024 10:10am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Yvette, that is a great distillation of what is at the core of the mantra that Māori are the indigenous people of NZ.
  
  Exceptionalism.
  
  We are special. We are unique. You owe us something!
  
  What about the ancestral connection their alternative lineages provide? Thousands of years of non-NZ connection. Ignored because it doesn’t suit the “we are special and you need to pay us for that” ethos.
  
  Unfortunately the bullies in the Kindergarten sandpit want all the toys and don’t want to share nicely with the other kids.
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:55am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

I’ve never ever done an ‘OIA Request’ before, and don’t want to waste my time for nothing, but if someone wanted to find out exactly how Cindy squandered the $500k of taxpayers money that Luxo donated, is that the sort of information it would reveal?

Asking for a friend.
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May 18, 2024 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Someone like Mike would know. I’m not taking the piss, he will know the proceedure.
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:18am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I would start with an OIA on the whereabouts of that $2,75 million Jacinda gave to the Mob. Follow the money and be astounded?
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:21am
  - rouppe
    
    Once it’s in the mobs hands no oia can do anything to tell you what happened to the money as oia’s only relate to government departments.
    
    The only thing you could get out of an oia wrt that is:
    * how many people went through the methamphetamine programs funded by the government and run by the mongrel mob
    * how many of those have been subsequently charged with a drug offence.
    
    With Q1, get the name of the program and specify it.
    With Q2 charged, not convicted.
    If they can’t tell you then there clearly was no oversight as to effectiveness.
    
    Once you start adding more than 2-3 questions it becomes a muddle and there are more opportunities for the armies of communications consultants to obfuscate, decline and delay. Better to submit multiple oia’s. Similar if the questions are on more than one specific topic.
    
    For example if you wanted to know what auditing or progress reporting was done back to the funding ministry, make that a separate oia to keep one specific to recidivism, and the other to how useless the Ministry was/is
    
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    May 18, 2024 1:06pm
  - rouppe
    
    There already is one from 2021.
    
    https://fyi.org.nz/request/16043-correspondences-regarding-the-kahukura-scheme#incoming-62303
    
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    May 18, 2024 1:24pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: It’s actually very simple – but the main thing you need to think about is the wording of the question(s); start from the assumption that they will twist and turn trying NOT to answer. And of course you don’t use emotive words like “squander”.
  
  If you tell me exactly what you are trying to find out I will help you word the question(s) if you like…d.garrett@xtra.co.nz
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    She would be better off using https://fyi.org.nz/
    
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    May 18, 2024 10:34am
    - Cassandra
      
      No she wouldn’t, DG’s offer is the way to go.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        DG for the wording for sure, but Mike has provided the path.
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:20pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There ya go. I knew you would be right on the button Mike.
      
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      May 18, 2024 12:18pm
  - artemisia
    
    Good offer. And as Mike says consider using the fyi site, starting with a search there to see if anyone else has asked the same or similar question. Thousands of requests and responses are on the site.
    
    Questions and answers there are public, so some may wish to take that into account.
    
    If an organisation doesn’t respond they have to say why, and there is recourse to the Ombudsman.
    
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    May 18, 2024 11:07am
- Ghost
  
  How many times do you need to be told luxon didn’t give the Christchurch call anything. It’s funding until June came from budget 2023.
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:22pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Just go here, Numerous ways of spending it.
  https://www.christchurchcall.com/
  
  Meantime one her best mates is under scrutiny, Meta is part of her “community”. What a Utopian World.//
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXPCauBW9ZE
  
  Beware of any foundations .
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:55pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/13-year-old-girl-dies-suddenly-after-bullying-a-family-s-plea-to-nz-s-leaders/

I get that the family is suffering incredible and unimaginable pain that I cannot imagine and hope to never experience.

But writing a letter to the PM and the National Government, and then publishing said letter through the MSM is, to me, a step too far, and is muddying the debate around the mental health of our adolescents.

The fact that the government has chosen to fully fund Mike Kings Mental health charity is suddenly forgotten.
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May 18, 2024 10:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Take the stand Donald, what are you scared of?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/new-ad-taunts-trump-to-take-stand-in-hush-money-trial-or-admit-he-s-a-coward/ar-BB1mAbl8?
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May 18, 2024 10:19am
- mikenmildagain
  
  His lawyers are scared he would incriminate himself under oath or commit perjury. Pathological liars should avoid swearing to tell the truth.
  
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  May 18, 2024 10:35am
  - rockape
    
    What’s the matter, don’t you think the prosecution has proven its case ?
    
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    May 18, 2024 11:30am
    - Mike
      
      I think the case is proven. An acquittal would probably require Trump to testify that he made the payoff to avoid embarrassing his family, and for that testimony to be believed.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:44am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Paying Hush Money is not a crime.
        What was the crime?
        No one seems to know
        https://jonathanturley.org/2024/04/24/alvin-bragg-has-his-trump-trial-all-he-needs-now-is-a-crime/
        
        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/2990728/the-insanity-at-the-heart-of-the-trump-trial/
        
        The Prosecution probably wished they hadnt put serial perjurer Cohen on the stand
        https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2024/05/17/devastating-top-cnn-anchor-legal-analyst-stunned-by-michael-cohens-implosion-under-cross-examination-n2639177
        https://thefederalist.com/2024/05/17/3-moments-star-witness-michael-cohen-just-undermined-braggs-get-trump-case/
        https://jonathanturley.org/2024/04/29/alvin-bragg-and-the-art-of-not-taken-law-too-seriously/#more-218348
        Bonus
        https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2024/05/17/more-shady-biden-accounts-have-been-discovered-n4929118
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:19pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The misdemeanor was falsifying business records. Doing that in furtherance of his election campaign turned it into a felony.
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        All on Red. The crime seems to be Bragg making a case that the payment was hidden because Trump didn’t want it out before the 2016 Election. He would lose some of the women’s votes.
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:32pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Wrong mikenmild
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:42pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        THE INSANITY AT THE HEART OF THE TRUMP TRIAL. Perhaps the weirdest, and by far the most unjust, thing about former President Donald Trump’s trial in New York is that we do not know precisely what crime Trump is charged with committing. We’re in the middle of the trial, with Trump facing a maximum of more than 100 years in prison, and we don’t even know what the charges are! It’s a surreal situation.
        
        Yes, we know that Trump is charged with falsifying business records of payments made to the porn actress Stormy Daniels in 2016 and 2017. But falsifying business records is a misdemeanor with a two-year statute of limitations, meaning prosecutors would be prohibited from charging Trump with that crime after 2019, which was five years ago. They obviously missed that deadline by a mile.
        We also know that New York law allows falsifying business records to be upgraded to a felony if the alleged falsification was done with “intent to defraud that includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.” In that case, the statute of limitations extends to five years, which would have allowed prosecutors to charge Trump as late as 2022. Prosecutors missed that deadline, too.
        
        Trump was indicted in 2023. How did that happen? Because of COVID-19, when New York extended its statute of limitations by a year. That allowed prosecutors to slip the charges in right before the new, one-time-only, six-year extended statute of limitations expired.
        
        “What was the “intent to commit another crime or aid and conceal the commission thereof” that prosecutors used to raise falsification of business records from a misdemeanor to a felony? In nearly every case of alleged falsification of records that has been charged as a felony in New York, the defendant was charged with another crime — that is, prosecutors made it clear what the other crime was. In Trump’s case, the indictment did not specify any other crime. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said the law did not require him to specify the other crime.”
        “So Trump faced felony charges without knowing what he was accused of doing. And the really amazing thing is that the trial is now underway and Bragg has still not specified what the other crime is. It is a key element of the case. Without it, the charges against Trump could never have been brought because they were misdemeanors long past the statute of limitations. It is the other crime that makes this whole prosecution possible. But the prosecutor has not specified what it is.”
        
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        May 18, 2024 1:57pm
  - AitchW
    
    Do you not understand the concept that the prosecution must prove its allegations?
    That the accused is under no obligation to answer questions from a hostile prosecution?
    Would you rather these proceedings abandon the assumption of innocence unless proven guilty?
    
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    May 18, 2024 11:59am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No, no, and no.
      
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      May 18, 2024 12:30pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What like the star witness who has already been to jail for perjury
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:52pm
- rouppe
  
  When someone says “do [something] or you’re a coward” you know they fear you
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:46pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The main witness has now been proven a liar in the court, he was bad enough it made the usually stoic jury lift their grades and look at each other, I would say this case is dead, even if they find him guilty they will appeal, meaning no more trials before the election as all other trials have either been dropped or delayed
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:50pm
  - Paulus
    
    I assume that the Jury who see and hear only what the Judge wants, will look forward to getting their comments, being automatically Guilty verdicts, being published in sleaze magazines for huge sums of money – which in the USA they can do.
    
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    May 18, 2024 1:27pm
Chuck Bird

This is a video of Groundswell and the Methane Science Accord talking to MPs mainly on methane but other farming issues as well.

https://vimeo.com/showcase/10758268/video/941762328
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May 18, 2024 10:20am
- Steve Todd
  
  And?
  
  Chuck, you have given me no reason to click on this link. Could you not at least have given Kiwibloggers a brief rundown of what was discussed, and the outcome?
  
  And most importantly, how long the video is, and perhaps suggestions as to when to click on the horizontal time-lapsed line?
  
  Believe me, Chuck, I well know that our fellow Kiwibloggers do not share our interests the way you and I, respectively, do.
  
  Sorry, but I need more information.
  
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  May 18, 2024 2:20pm
Benedict Yu

I have driven these 6 berth campervans a couple of times. In calm fine weather you can safely do 100 kmh on a long straight. Rain slow to 80. Windy slow to 80, or slower for high winds. Strong cross wind it is like driving a ship.

But 139 kmh is insane. A gust of wind, a pothole, and it is all over. And this driver was from Hong Kong. 😳

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350282207/campervan-driver-caught-doing-139kph-no-longer-road-company-says
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May 18, 2024 10:44am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I see you’re finally coming around to my way of thinking about Asian drivers, Bene.
  
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  May 18, 2024 11:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not all Asian drivers. Our Thai friend who now lives in Alaska is a very confident driver. 5 foot nothing and she takes us from Anchorage City up to Flat Top Mountain – in a Dodge Ram! I was pleasantly surprised with her skill at handling.
    They don’y care about petrol. Up the onramp to the Freeway and she just floors it to 70mph.
    
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    May 18, 2024 11:18am
    - AitchW
      
      Good on her, not only a competent driver but she understands that on-ramps are forgetting up to motorway speed in order to merge like a zip.
      
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      May 18, 2024 11:29am
      - AitchW
        
        Damn it, ‘for getting’ not ‘forgetting’!
        Write 100 times “ I must proof read posts before hitting send”.
        
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        May 18, 2024 11:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Her husband is a good driver. Owns a company with trucks and utes, making huge signs. Everything in America is BIG!
        
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        May 18, 2024 12:35pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Many of the bad drivers and the destructive crashes on our roads are from Europeans, Germans and Dutch appear to be involved in a huge amount of slaughter on our roads, yes dome Asians are not experienced enough for our roads, but neither are many Europeans
      
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      May 18, 2024 12:54pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Dome Asians? 😳
        
        I assume you mean dumb.
        
        I am going to burst your bubble. There have been a few studies in the last decade to determine the incidence of serious road crashes by tourists. On a quick scan, they show that betwen 4 and 6 percent of fatal and serious crashes involve drivers on an overseas licence.
        
        https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/tourists-not-blame-horror-road-toll-data-shows
        
        Crashes involving dome Asians get a lot of press coverage. But data does not care about your prejudices 😃.
        
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        May 18, 2024 2:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        Even with tourists it isn’t Asian. Last time I looked the tourists with the highest crash rate in nz were aussies.
        
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        May 18, 2024 2:27pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Benedict Yu @ 2:16PM
        
        C’mon, Benedict, be fair.
        
        G the giant clearly meant to say, “yes some Asians”. I can’t believe you didn’t recognise his mistake as a “fat-finger” typo.
        
        That being the case, I hope you now see that your response to him was unnecessary.
        
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        May 18, 2024 2:43pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        No I didn’t recognise that he meant “some” Asians. I’m not responsible for folk who can’t be bothered to use the edit function.
        
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        May 18, 2024 4:32pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Benedict Yu @ 4:32PM
        
        Oh, dear. A very poor response, Benedict.
        
        Surely, your first thought would have been to check where the ‘D’ was on the keyboard in relation to the ‘S’, and, having determined that they were side-by-side, to realise that G the giant, who we all know is notoriously loose with his fingers, made yet another mistake.
        
        Quite frankly, Benedict, you should have been able to happily admit you got this one wrong. To do so, would have cost you nothing. That you didn’t, adds more information to our knowledge of you, as a person.
        
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        May 18, 2024 5:00pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “That you didn’t, adds more information to our knowledge of you, as a person.”
        
        Can you see how creepy you sound?
        
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        May 18, 2024 8:55pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Benedict Yu @ 8:55PM
        
        Still can’t admit you got it wrong, eh, Benedict?
        
        What is “creepy” about making an assessment of you that includes an inability to admit a mistake?
        
        Are you saying that you don’t make assessments of commenters based on their comments? I do. All_on_Red certainly does. He has decided that I’m a pedant — “Pedant of the Year” for 2022, no less — and a ‘Karen’, and occasionally refers to me as such. I have no problem with that.
        
        I have made other “assessments” of you, Benedict. For example, is the ‘Benedict Yu’ who commented here in 2022 — you know, the ‘Benedict Yu’ who, when drunk at the red-head’s place, referred to me as a ‘dick’, and on another occasion as a ‘clown’? — the same ‘Benedict Yu’ who comments here today? Are you and ‘Widogast Corwin’ one and the same person?
        
        Does my occasional contemplation of such matters also make me sound “creepy”? I think not.
        
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        May 19, 2024 11:03am
Damocles11

“We’ll throw them some tax cuts and they’ll forget all about this country’s downward spiral and ‘the Waitangi Tribunal’”
Fat chance! This stuff is not going away! The separatists, academics, MSM, activist Judges, and the 3 radical left parties are not going to just put their cue in the rack, are they? Wake up!
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May 18, 2024 10:47am
Maggie Pie

O.M.G…… watch this.

President Putin completely ignores King Charles.
And the look on Macron’s dial – PRICELESS!!

https://x.com/realchasegeiser/status/1791574928375873947

(the comments are entertaining as well 😀 )
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May 18, 2024 10:47am
- Damocles11
  
  This video is from 2020 and was taken during the World Holocaust Forum in Jerusalem.
  What point or purpose is there in posting something from 4 years ago with a breathless “O.M.G”.
  
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  May 18, 2024 11:49am
  - MCōs
    
    Back in those days Putin was just a common garden murderer
    Now he’s a mass murderer
    
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    May 18, 2024 2:07pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Great to see at least you didn’t get the SOH by-pass at birth Cossie 😀
      
      Assume your parents would have both been hetro?
      
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      May 18, 2024 2:41pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    @Damocles11 @ 11:49AM
    
    Yep, this is straight from the Maggie Pie playbook.
    
    A couple of years ago, she posted a video of the late Fa’anānā Efeso Collins expressing “anti-homosexual” (or similar) views — from 10 years previous! He had since well-and-truly gone back on such views.
    
    For me, going back five or so years, Maggie’s comments were sometimes amusing. Today? Not so much. For a couple of years now, she has specialised in being nasty and cruel.
    
    But, her worst crime, which she now perpetuates pretty much every day, is that she is no longer funny.
    
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    May 18, 2024 4:18pm
    - marleybob
      
      She not the sharpest tack in the box.
      
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      May 18, 2024 6:51pm
    - Damocles11
      
      It’s important to call this stuff out. Thinking people on the Right are all too easily labelled ‘racist’ or ‘extremist’ and it isn’t fair. Challenge Maori on anything these days and chances are you’ll instantly be branded ‘racist’. But we can all recognise genuine racism and extremism when we see it.
      
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      May 18, 2024 7:17pm
- Red
  
  I have to Love Puti-poot, he really knows how to rule!
  
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  May 19, 2024 12:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Tikanga Part 10.
Tikanga is “the first law of aotearoa.”

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/tikanga-part-10-how-tikanga-has-already-become-the-first-law-of-new-zealand/
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May 18, 2024 11:03am
Rusty

Super Sid Going has passed away at age 80.

Great All Black half back of the late 1960s – mid-1970s.

RIP
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May 18, 2024 11:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shit! I only just watched a few videos on youtube about him.
  Getting a try in 12 inches of water at Eden Park!
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:37pm
- Mike
  
  Super Sid!
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:42pm
- rangitoto
  
  Alway an entertaining player to watch. RIP Sid.
  
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  May 18, 2024 2:33pm
- Geri Sjovik
  
  I’ve played against him.
  
  He was well in to retirement and I was a flanker and the fitest and fastest I have every been in my life.
  
  First time I went to tackle him he left me standing in his dust.
  
  The second time I wasn’t so friendly and copped one in the nose for my affrontry.
  
  And enjoyed a beer and hot feed with him after.
  
  Form is temporary, class is permanent.
  
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  May 18, 2024 2:44pm
  - Rusty
    
    Sid was tough as nails.
    
    My memory of him is kicking a 50 meter penalty goal at Eden park which won the shield for Northland against Auckland.
    
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    May 18, 2024 4:13pm
Paulus

I see that the St John the Ambulance service, a great organisation, is still using its Maori name first in all things, when it is clear that donations have dropped si9gnificently since it became all things Maori.
My annual remain cancelled assuming that they expect the Taxpayer Government to fill in the lost donations and remain Maori designated.
Queen Victoria, in 1888, creating the patronage of Empire countries to St John (from the first medical helper St John of Jerusalem in about 888) would not be amused.
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May 18, 2024 11:29am
- Ghost
  
  Who gives a stuff what they are called if you need them, you need them. Māori name or English it is still the same dedicated people saving peoples lives
  
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  May 18, 2024 11:40am
  - Damocles11
    
    Sorry mate, they were the ones who chose to go woke and political. Transliterating the name ‘Saint John’ into Maori as ‘Hato Hone’ and then tacking that one the front is an act of idiocy; they are now effectively calling themselves ‘Saint John Saint John’. In any case, we are not ‘bi-cultural’, we are clearly a multicultural nation with many ethnicities making a valuable contribution to NZ. Why leave the Indian, Chinese, Samoan, Tongan, and everybody else out? The taxpayer should be funding an ambulance service in any case, it’s ridiculous that such an essential service has to go around begging for coin.
    
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    May 18, 2024 11:55am
    - Cassandra
      
      It is cultural misappropriation. The equivalent would be renaming Maori places with an English version. We wouldn’t do it – why do Maori feel the need?
      
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      May 18, 2024 12:41pm
    - Jack5
      
      St John Ambulance NZ is formally part of an international charity with a colourful history.
      
      In NZ the charity is a loose network of charitable groups with “St John” in their title. Search at the Charities Register, and 20 pages of them pop up.
      
      Like many other great charitable organisations, St John Ambulance NZ seems to have been targeted by the Woke, apparently in this case by a forceful management faced by a weak, overly diverse “ownership” structure.
      
      The Woke at NZ St John have expressed themselves by imposing a cloak of Maori language on the service.
      
      Ghost is right that St John Ambulance has many dedicated, not-overpaid employees plus volunteers. They do great work, and deserve our thanks.
      
      The Woke takeover, notable from the expensive repainting of vehicles in Maori language, is a bit of a betrayal of the many great St John staff and volunteers.
      
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      May 18, 2024 12:44pm
  - rouppe
    
    St John are not just words. They are someone’s name.
    
    It is incredibly disrespectful to just change it because DEI.
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:42pm
  - Mike
    
    Some people will look very hard at any charity until they find something so offensive that they just can’t bring themselves to make a donation.
    
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    May 18, 2024 12:44pm
  - rockape
    
    I challenge you that when you next need an ambulance pass your 111 message in Maori only. See how you get on.
    
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    May 18, 2024 1:16pm
    - Ghost
      
      The 111 system isn’t St. John’s. the 111 system doesn’t have a Māori name. And actually the good news out yesterday about 111 is the extra funding that will see surf lifesaving and coastguard will become a part of the system. Long overdue.
      
      But hey, it doesn’t matter if the ambulance has Māori on it or not, those staff, some unpaid work their butts off to save your life.
      
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      May 18, 2024 1:36pm
      - rockape
        
        On the two occasions I had health emergencies my wife drove me the 30 km to the hospital. I pick her over St John’s anytime!
        
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        May 18, 2024 7:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump deranged Bill Mayer says Stormy Daniels lied.
Did she black out? She’s a porn star!

https://pantsonfirenews.com/bill-maher-proved-stormy-daniels-lied-on-the-witness-stand-by-playing-one-eye-popping-video/?
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May 18, 2024 11:44am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Maybe Donald does have big hands
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:56pm
CJames

Has the Chathams Islands running out of fuel anything to do with their MP’s recent visit? Just another demonstration of how critical fossil fuels are to rural and remote communities. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to within walking distance of the services they need. Of course, no public transport either, but that also runs on fossil fuel.
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May 18, 2024 12:10pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  It’s the Florist over there I’m more worried about 😀
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:13pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I bet she got a short sharp shift over there, all things energy, farming and fishing, and they will want the Chatham rise phosphate mining as there will be money to be made if anyone calls into their wharf
  
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  May 18, 2024 12:58pm
- Master Mariner
  
  The ship that services the Chathams is in Devonport for Dry Dock.
  A bit of “forward” planning would not of gone amiss.
  
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  May 18, 2024 1:16pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    She is 40 years old and they need a replacement.
    
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    May 18, 2024 1:54pm
    - Geri Sjovik
      
      Genter?
      
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      May 18, 2024 2:46pm
    - CJames
      
      Is that the ship or the MP?
      
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      May 18, 2024 2:51pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        We will wait for the Captain – Mariner to give you the bad news!
        
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        May 18, 2024 4:45pm
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        Ship
        
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        May 18, 2024 5:32pm
- gorse
  
  Diesel generators power the island, could be a bit of a problem.
  
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  May 18, 2024 3:17pm
DimChappie

Protesters have thrown faeces at a security guard outside the gender issues seminar. Strangely the MSM has not reported this:
https://x.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1791620089256796387
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May 18, 2024 12:44pm
- AitchW
  
  Filthy feral intolerant rent a mob.
  Throwing potentially disease bearing material at a guy just doing his job which is to protect those attending a peaceful meeting from this sort of behaviour.
  What happened to the left’s mantra of be kind? Or has it evolved, Animal Farm like, to be kind but only to those who toe the party line?
  
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  May 18, 2024 3:55pm
- Ghost
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/05/hundreds-protest-outside-controversial-unsilenced-summit-in-wellington.html
  
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  May 18, 2024 4:51pm
- miltonF
  
  The MSM only reports these kinds of incidents when it suits their narrative. Even if false.
  
  Like when the parliament protestors threw urine at police officers. That ended up being misinformation.
  
  MSM eh? At least they are predictable.
  
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  May 18, 2024 6:39pm
  - SimonRAnderson
    
    I am not the MSM.
    
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    May 18, 2024 8:48pm
cmm

I see the New Caledonian separatists are proving why they need to be colonized.

Maybe have a wee think about where food and medicine come from BEFORE burning everything down?
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May 18, 2024 1:26pm
- Paulus
  
  I see that there have been recent conferences for them, and other small Pacific nations in Turkmenistan, a Russian affiliated country.
  Why ?
  
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  May 18, 2024 1:33pm
  - cmm
    
    I presume this is exactly the same set of reasons there were similar conferences in Africa in the 1960s and 70s. And the results will be the same.
    
    Yesterday civility, today anarchy, tomorrow PNG.
    
    The frogs get SFA out of New Calidonia except a couple more tropical beaches. If I was them I’d pull out and leave the rabble to it.
    
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    May 18, 2024 3:35pm
- artemisia
  
  Those whose property was destroyed are more likely to scoop up the insurance payout, and less likely to rebuild and reopen.
  
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  May 18, 2024 5:17pm
- Red
  
  It’s that Tribalism again, Destroyer of Worlds, in slow motion.
  
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  May 19, 2024 1:05am
Hugh Jarse

Great results !. Hipkins has released Labours vision for 2040. We will have mass public transport and better cycling and walking options. Clearly Hipkins thinks the policies he went to the 2023 election with are worth another run up the flag pole. The only two things missing were a wealth tax and capital gains tax. It’s good for a larf.
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May 18, 2024 3:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Did he revive Kiwibuild?
  
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  May 18, 2024 6:49pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Yes after a fashion, building a zillion rentals and taxing landlords. Same old same old.
    
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    May 18, 2024 10:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump backers are getting ready for a Trump clampdown on the border.
It has to stop. The video is interesting.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-backers-are-already-working-to-clear-red-tape-for-unprecedented-immigration-crackdown/ar-BB1mAaky?
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May 18, 2024 3:36pm
Maggie Pie

SkyNews reporting the IDF have just discovered the decomposing bodies of 3 hostages
in a Raffah tunnel who had been kidnapped from the music festival Oct 7th. 🙁

So much for Hamas claims that Israel backed out of peace talks revolving around
the return of hostages.
People are saying Israel is taking far too long to finish them off.
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May 18, 2024 3:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just hitting a couple of links within links and came across this:
Melania Trump is proud of her parents — Viktor and Amalija Knavs — and her Slovenian roots.
You can really see that Melania Trump gets her looks from her now deceased mother Amalija.

https://people.com/all-about-melania-trump-parents-8620972
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May 18, 2024 3:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Donald Trump and Melani Trump attended Barron’s graduation.

Reporter Ariana Baio and the Independent could not refrain from spreading the dirt.
Melania has not attended Trump’s hush money trial. So fucking what? I don’t think my ex, or my partner would be interested if I paid a lying hooker to STFU!

Anyway, nice photo of Barron in his graduation garb.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-and-melania-attend-barron-s-graduation-after-she-failed-to-show-at-hush-money-trial/ar-BB1mzAPb?
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May 18, 2024 3:56pm
Sparrow

Well said. It does not matter if some of the signage is in Te reo for christ sake it’s an official language of New Zealand. I find all this angst about Te reo and Māori on this blog not only bewildering but also concerning. What should concern New Zealanders is that we own very little of what makes our country tick. Our banks, insurance companies, supermarkets, building suppliers are owned off shore. Now Frontera is selling off its brands possibly to the likes of Nestle so again we get screwed by offshore owners. Compare prices overseas. Yes I know the arguments small population etc etc We should be worried about this not f.. signage on an an ambulance. All this talk about the Māori elite ripping us all off what’s the Pakeha elite being doing for generations maybe Māori learnt from them.
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May 18, 2024 3:58pm
- Albie
  
  Sparrow, hope you feel better after your little rant.
  If St John have surplus funds that allow them to embark on a woke, virtual signalling rebranding exercise instead of spending this “surplus” money on their staff or new equipment, go for it. Just don’t stand outside my New World asking me to sign up to an AP for monthly donations.
  
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  May 18, 2024 6:18pm
  - Ghost
    
    And, to ensure we are absolutely cost conscious in this approach, we are not retrospectively applying the new logo to existing buildings, vehicles, uniforms or materials. The name and logo will be applied to new items only. So effectively it has been a cost-neutral exercise for St John.
    
    https://www.stjohn.org.nz/news–info/news–articles/statement-hato-hone-st-john-embraces-name/
    
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    May 18, 2024 6:25pm
    - Red
      
      Sure Ghost, believe the OPPOSITE of what you are being told, once you understand Humans a little better. “The Owner reassured investors that its financial status is robust, despite a recent bond payment rescheduling caused by a liquidity mismatch.” for one example.
      
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      May 19, 2024 1:11am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The concern about people becoming sick and tired of te reo Maori is concerning.
  But chats over a beer or three with four people aged under 30 about why they are shifting to Aussie; it is all about a subject that if they say it publically they are racist.
  
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  May 18, 2024 6:59pm
- julesnzuk
  
  Sparrow – firstly, there’s no such thing as a “pakeha”, I believe you mean NZ European (and it’s European elites driving this crap, not a Maori). Secondly the top-down imposition (because that’s what it is, there’s nothing grassroots or organic about it) of Maori language on the country is an issue for several reasons. It’s incredibly patronising, disruptive and detracts from genuine issues facing Maori (ie employment prospects). Far easier to condescending superimpose some Maori words over something that’s clearly European-built than to develop education and industry that will provide jobs for people. It’s sloppy and makes NZ look stupid – genuinely bilingual countries (no, NZ is not one) communicate either in one language or another, not a mangled attempt at combining both. It’s dangerous because it compromises efficiency and obfuscates effective communication and cuts people off. It’s also being weaponised to promote a far left agenda. Overall making NZ weaker, dumber and severely pissing people in the process – not what any rational thinking person would call a recipe for progress.
  
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  May 19, 2024 4:43am
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets…

Yet another hopeless Labour MP out there supporting HAMAS terrorists.
Eventhough he maintains he doesn’t chant “From the river to the sea…….”

https://x.com/rotovegas_taane/status/1791237572444008541

You’d have to wonder what’s in the water down Chch.
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May 18, 2024 4:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Wellywood. The usual culprits are there.
“British activist Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull (also known as Posie Parker, appearing via videolink).”

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  I worded that wrong – sorry. I am a supporter of Posie Parker.
  
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    Quality, not quantity, is what is required, S.O.
    
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    I bet you are.
    
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      Most people are.
      
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