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slightlyrighty

Is it just me or is being a man in the Green Party in Parliament a lot like being a Pakeha in Te Pati Maori?
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May 14, 2024 8:01am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Yes indeed isn’t bizarre slightly that they have two leaders originally so that they would be representative but end up with two women. Apparently it’s ok because they do different things in the bedroom so still representative. Such a bunch of clowns.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:09am
  - PurplePen
    
    Its my fault. I wrote a few years back and suggested that by requiring a male and female coleadership they were taking a position of power away from women. Just when women were getting to be CEOs and govt leaders, the dumb party says “hey, lets not allow women to lead on their own, lets have a coleadership”. My guess is after that letter they changed their arrangement to be one woman, one maori. My idea was to sow dissent and hopefully further increase their opportunity for demise. Result I think.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:18am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Did Chloe send a thankyou note?
      
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      May 14, 2024 9:29am
      - PurplePen
        
        Oddly enough I wrote to JAG and James Shaw at the time. No thanks from anyone.
        
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        May 14, 2024 5:03pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      By their equal representative philosophy they’ll end up with twenty or thirty leaders soon lol.
      
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      May 14, 2024 9:34am
      - peterwn
        
        Accommodating them would be a nightmare for Parliamentary and Ministerial Services.
        
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        May 14, 2024 2:53pm
  - RockyJ
    
    It seems that in the New Zealand parliament party leaders get paid more than ordinary members. Is that one reason the Greens have co leaders? Asking for a friend.
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:02am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      They share the salary premium.
      
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      May 14, 2024 10:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    But but but, remember you can know what a woman is, we are never to suggest they are both woman, sickening yes, but Chloe will easily say she does not know what she is
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:47am
- OlderChas
  
  Are there Pakeha in the Maori Party??
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:18am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Definitely some europeans support and vote for TMP. Martyn Martin being an advocate from time to time.
    
    (Martyn Martin being of course Bomber Bradbury of The Daily Blog. For those unaware google how Mr Bradley end up on the electoral roll twice…. It will lead you back to Kiwiblog in 2014)
    
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    May 14, 2024 11:38am
    - PurplePen
      
      I have to say I voted for Maori party once when it was Tariana Turia and Pita Sharples. Much more sane back then. But definitely not this lot.
      
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      May 14, 2024 5:04pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    OlderChas: Ah YES!! Every single one of them will have whitey in them.
    
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    May 14, 2024 1:25pm
  - I remember when
    
    As the average Maori is less than 48% Maori there must be a lot of Pakeha in the Maori Party, or should that be Partly!
    
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    May 14, 2024 2:14pm
  - Flossie
    
    Yes. If people can be called Maori with 1/512 (or some tiny amount I have heard mentioned) then half Irish Debbie Packer is definitely pakeha. And others I’m not familiar with the heritage of but are certainly there.
    
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    May 14, 2024 6:28pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The MSM are asking how it can be cheaper for the taxpayer to pay consultants twice the rate for doing the same work as MinEd staff. Let me count the ways …
* Consultants will work for 8 hours per day.
* No karakia training, no cake Tuesdays.
* No unlimited sick leave (yep, still a thing, though covid is over).
* No departmental days in addition to annual leave.
* No paid Union meeting time.
* No projects that simply drift out in time.

And, when the project ends, the consulting fees stop.
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May 14, 2024 8:05am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Also, there are Union rules re who can be made redundant meaning you have to get rid of the good workers before those with effective tenure. It’s illegal to rehire the good workers in the same roles so they have to contract them.
  
  It wouldn’t be an issue if the employer could simply make the worst employees redundant (which would by a complete coincidence remove most of the Union agitators too).
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Unions should not have a say. The department heads should.
    Better still, have an open public vote. That is sure to get rid of those who are arseholes!
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:32am
  - artemisia
    
    It is roles to be made redundant due to restructuring of functions. So the roles disappear. In practice, ways and means, especially if large number of roles going.
    
    Jiggery pokery doesn’t make it right.
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:17am
- Bevan
  
  * No projects that simply drift out in time.
  
  As a contract Project Manager/consultant on a day rate contract. Let me just say this:
  
  LOL.
  
  Show me a project that finishes exactly on time (& budget) and I’ll show you a project that A: was planned/documented after it was delivered, or B: Quality was flexible
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:30am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Well Bevan… Plenty at Telecom/Spark. Hit their dates. Insourcing IT from HP being one.
    
    Government projects rarely if ever do… Quite a few private sector ones do….
    
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    May 14, 2024 11:41am
  - peterwn
    
    The second Manapouri tailrace tunnel. Admittedly Meridian had good geotechnic data from when the original tunnel was bored. There were no workplace fatalities when the second tunnel was bored (there were some with the original tunnel). Also the electricity grid exit points required for ‘think big’ projects were generally completed on time.
    
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    May 14, 2024 6:17pm
artemisia

Mike Hosking this morning interviewed Jess Winchester, GM of the Stroke Foundation. She and no doubt others are pushing for salt reduction in food via mandatory regulation. Because, she said, salt is a big high blood pressure contributor and risk factor. And Ms Winchester said New Zealanders could be risking their lives every time they buy a pie.

She also said 75% of strokes can be prevented and it would be amazing if that could be reduced by salt regulation.

Anyone listening to that would come away convinced that salt can be a terrible thing and the government needs to step in. Or just maybe a suspicion of hyperbolic activism.

However, there has been a lot of health related research into dietary salt in recent years. Some of it contradicts what Ms Winchester said today.

No doubt there is research that supports her position, but there remains that same old story – activism and science. I wonder how Ms Winchester would have responded if an interviewer acknowledged her position no doubt had research backing it, but was there research debunking it. And if so, is that research credible.

There is the wider issue that when pressing for more regulation, it would certainly be honest if the proponents included more than cherry picked data. If not that easily identifies them as activists – there’s a lot of it about these days. I get the feeling that the new Ministry of Less-Regulation might not be easily pushed around.
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May 14, 2024 8:07am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It might be less expensive to encourage people to have their blood pressure checked periodically.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:36am
  - gravedodger
    
    Easily done Benedict by spendig a one KFC Family pack cost at a pharmacy and purchasing an auto BP reader all that is needed is to position a cuff on a naked arm just above elbow and push a bloody button.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:30am
    - bjools
      
      Yup…got one.
      
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      May 14, 2024 10:35am
  - Ra Henare
    
    BY. Less expensive to achieve what?
    
    I take my BP on an irregular basis. Luckily I have learnt that BP readings can fluctuate a lot .
    
    Depending on suck simple things as.
    Eating a meal before the test (can up the readings by 10 points)
    Crossing your legs during reading!
    Not resting in sitting position 5+ minutes before test.
    Needing to pee before the test.
    Cuff not fitted correctly.
    
    A single BP test on its own is almost useless.
    Its the tend that counts 🙂
    
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    May 14, 2024 11:16am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “A single BP test on its own is almost useless.”
      
      AFAIK most people do not have significantly fluctuating blood pressure.
      
      https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321523#:~:text=Blood%20pressure%20should%20typically%20be,varies%20slightly%20throughout%20the%20day.
      
      If you visit a doctor and have significantly elevated blood pressure it is most likely a problem. Sure they will get you to come back a couple of times to check it again. But it is more likely to be a problem rather than a waste of time.
      
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      May 14, 2024 12:52pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        A slight distract BY. Don’t ya love Googling.
        
        I was talking about things that can affect a single BP reading. Hence more than one reading is a proper way to detect high blood pressure.
        
        You have referenced an article on stabilizing blood pressure.??? and then support my contention by saying if you have a high reading, the doctor will want to do another reading.
        
        Mark me down as Con Fused
        
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        May 14, 2024 4:51pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        AFAIK most people do not have significantly fluctuating blood pressure.
        
        So if you go on TMe and search “blood pressure monitor” they start at about $30+freight. Buy one. Take your BP a few times. See what you think …
        
        I won’t prejudice your investigation by quoting my own experience. But going to the doc just to have your BP taken is a nonsense when you can just as easily – at buggerall cost – do it at home.
        
        “Normal” (gold standard) is 120/80. 140/85 is not anything to get very worried about. xxx/120 is definitely worry territory. The lower (diastolic) number is the one to worry most about.
        
        Disclaimer : I am not a medical doc 🙂
        
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        May 14, 2024 5:51pm
- peterwn
  
  This is the problem – there are all sorts of activists who want their pet hobbyhorse activities banned, regulated or taxed. And worse still when they obtain Government funds to advocate their positions (left wing governments frequently fund activists to lobby government agencies). She has missed the bus – she should have lobbied for salt regulation three years ago while Jacinda and her mates were in power.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:40am
  - greybeard
    
    As I heard it, she wasn’t pushing for regulation but for clearer information re the amount of salt in foods.
    e.g. if you buy a pie from a bakery there is no current information on how much salt is in it, unlike food in boxes and packets etc.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:35am
    - artemisia
      
      The Stroke Foundation wants ‘government led reformulation of salt targets’. Carefully worded. But means mandatory.
      
      But my point was partly about salt but more about activists pressing for more government regulation, and presenting carefully selected data.
      
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      May 14, 2024 10:24am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        AFAIK the problem with excess salt is in some processed foods. It is not you sprinkling salt on your fish and chips on a Friday night.
        
        Just Google “foods high in salt” and don’t eat lots of those.
        
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        May 14, 2024 12:55pm
      - wsk12345
        
        I asked my doc if there is any way I can raise my blood pressure (routinely about 90 or 95/55 or 60). He said we could medicate but suggested I really don’t want to take that approach. He suggested I try adding more salt to my diet…. Tried that for several years… no change.
        It won’t become a proper problem till I break a bone when I faint. Who can remember to get up more slowly???
        
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        May 14, 2024 1:30pm
      - Ghost
        
        When mine is really low gatorade is what I use to raise it
        
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        May 14, 2024 1:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Always blow on the pie.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:44am
  - mogg
    
    Then poke the nozzle through the pastry topping and squeeze tomato sauce inside the pie.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nothing beats experience!
      
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      May 14, 2024 10:29am
- jkt
  
  I thought that was why we’ve got regulations that tell people what is in food.
  
  Concerned People: Please use the information on food labels to help you manage your health. If you can’t count, buy a calculator, ask a friend or go and see the doctor.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:47am
- Ghost
  
  I have to increase the salt I use.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:08am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Salt is essential for our bodies to retain moisture – without salt we would dehydrate. So its the amount of salt – not all salt. I like my salt on chips, and other things to enhance the flavour.
    Maybe that’s why I’ve got high blood pressure.
    But no – its a blood enzyme that changes the way it works as we age in some people. I don’t know the science of it, but it happened to me when I was about 62. Twenty years later, I’m still fine – just pop a pill each morning. 🙂
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:31am
    - artemisia
      
      It has been known for many years that not everyone has the same sensitivity to salt.
      
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      May 14, 2024 10:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That must go for sugar as well?
        
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        May 14, 2024 11:10am
    - Ghost
      
      I’m the opposite. Because of the POTs I have low blood pressure, so my salt intake is high
      
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      May 14, 2024 11:17am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Interesting. 78 no pills, no blood pressure (doc says BP of a 25 year old) bacon and eggs and BBeans every morning.
      Guess its all in the jeans.
      
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      May 14, 2024 9:42pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Isn’t it strange that salt in food needs draconian regulation because it causes high blood pressure but alcohol not so much.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Imagine drinking salty beer or salty Jacks.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:35am
  - WorthwhileAucklandInitiative
    
    What country do you live in?! In the one I live in it’s illegal for waiters to ask you if you’d like another drink, and the blood alcohol limit for driving is the same as the State of Utah. Alcohol regulations are ridiculous in New Zealand.
    
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    May 14, 2024 11:38am
- Kiwiguy
  
  I remember similar alarmism about eggs around 30 years ago.
  There was a time when there were concerns raised about having two eggs a day. I used to get a guy at work telling me off about it. Terribly bad for you apparently.
  Then the ‘science’ was reviewed or whatever and we started seeing the ads “Two eggs a day is now OK”
  What a joke.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:12am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    All things in moderation even moderation.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:36am
- sirknz
  
  I’ve been cutting back on the pies of late, but friends and family keep giving me pies to try. Why do they keep trying to kill me?
  
  At least according to Jess Winchester.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:39am
artemisia

Mayor Wayne Brown not mincing his words –
AT chief executive Dean Kimpton yesterday disputed a weekend report that Brown was blindsided, saying he rang and talked to the mayor about it on April 29, and the plans had been “out there” since April 23 as part of AT’s parking strategy.
Said Wayne Brown: “What bloody Dean said is actually a very careful version of the truth – a phone call that said we are going to put up parking prices is a long way short of suddenly sending out notices to everybody in the mail and not telling me.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-reprimands-auckland-transport-over-handling-of-cbd-parking-charges/
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May 14, 2024 8:09am
- All_on_Red
  
  AT stands for Anti Transport- right?
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep, AT = Auckland Transport – Public Transport.
    Bang those parking fees up high do you take the bus – if the bus go the same A to B as you want. Otherwise take 3 or more buses.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:03am
  - newview
    
    AT still can’t paint a white line on the seal on the edge of the road. They’ve failed at a second try. Totally incompetent.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:07am
- Local Miller
  
  AT is going to kill the inner city commercial area. Almost nobody uses public transport to visit the CBD commercial areas, like Commercial Bay or the Viaduct and shops or restaurants in that area. In my 18 years on the North Shore my wife and I have done this maybe 4 times for the novelty of it, and nothing more. If we go to that area we drive and park. But at parking rates like this we’ll just go somewhere else.
  Entertainment and food are already very expensive in this area, but adding another $30 – $40 to the bill for parking is over the top. Watch the CBD die. You heard it here first.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In the last 10 years I would have taken a bus from the Shore to the City once.
    Went to Auckland Hospital Allergy Clinic to find the cause of anaphylaxis.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:06am
    - Ian Boag
      
      You do get a lot of mileage out of socialised medicine Steve 🙂
      
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      May 14, 2024 5:55pm
- Kiwiguy
  
  On the topic of AT, it’s hilarious watching a guy called Ben Ross on LinkedIn defending AT to the hilt. He gets flamed big time, and has now removed his photo and renamed his profile to Ben R.
  He plays straight from the hard-left playbook.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:17am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Saw that, obviously a staffer with skin in the game. Also very, very stupid.
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:32am
    - Kiwiguy
      
      Yes, I’d agree.
      Also seems to have a really bitter streak in him.
      Bitter about cars.
      Bitter about opposing views.
      Bitter about life.
      
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      May 14, 2024 1:05pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Who does AT answer to?
  Genuine question.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:43am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Moloch
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:51am
    - sirknz
      
      Even Moloch isn’t that evil…
      
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      May 14, 2024 4:27pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Standard MO from Council organisations. When told to cut costs they pick on things ratepayers value and cut those or in this case jack up prices to piss ratepayers off. They know the Mayor and Councilors will cop the flak.
  The CCO’s are nothing such. All the Mayor and Council can do is appoint the Boards of Directors. After that they have no control unless they sack the Board and reappoint new Directors.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:58am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Did anyone else think it odd that Dean Kimpton equates increasing parking fees to saving costs? Increased fees is clearly new revenue, whereas coming up with cost savings is cutting back on projects, reducing staff and consultants, reducing travel and entertainment expenses and finding more efficient ways to deliver more for less. Also odd this increased revenue would be turned on so quickly when they can’t seem to deliver anything else at pace. I think Brown needs to tell him to go back and start over and find genuine cost savings!
    
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    May 14, 2024 7:33pm
- MCōs
  
  Sounds like a decision that these two guys don’t want to take credit for now that’s it’s turned into a lemon
  
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  May 14, 2024 1:28pm
Yabster

Hobsons Pledge:
End the Waitangi Tribunal Petition:

I have signed.

https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/end-the-waitangi-tribunal
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May 14, 2024 8:14am
- pdm
  
  I signed last evening.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:56am
  - Nobby2
    
    Done. Tribunal needs to be gone by lunchtime.
    
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    May 14, 2024 2:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Done.
  The Tribunal is a dog and way past it’s expiry date.
  A Treaty should be honoured not used as a Lawmaker.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:06am
- RockyJ
  
  #Me too.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:05am
  - Observer of Life
    
    👍 Pass it on.
    
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    May 14, 2024 1:33pm
- PurplePen
  
  Signed
  
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  May 14, 2024 5:10pm
Maggie Pie

Is this the sort of odd-ball you want accessing Womens & Girls toilets 🙁
The same Labour MP that was accused of bullying.
Even Chippy described the allegations as….. “very serious”.
Yet see he’s back in Parliament on the LIST. What does that tell you?

https://twitter.com/shananhalbert/status/1789782884724666658
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May 14, 2024 8:25am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Isn’t it odd that the same people who claim that they would feel safer meeting a bear in the woods over a man are quite often the same people who advocate for males to be allowed in women’s only spaces?
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:40am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Bet he was ecstatic when Chippy appointed Shaneel as his executive assistant.
    Right up his alley I’d imagine.
    
    https://twitter.com/bobmccoskrienz/status/1771981766250901769
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:06am
    - Nobby2
      
      Right up his something.
      
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      May 14, 2024 2:15pm
  - Grunter
    
    You know that you live in ‘Clown World’ 🤡 when society angrily debates if it is OK to have naked grown men in girls changing rooms.
    
    If that is our reality (and it is) then is anything not possible in 10 years?
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:37am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Please give an example of a person who holds both opinions.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:59am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      Nobody…?
      
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      May 14, 2024 10:58am
- peterwn
  
  And no doubt the ladies at tennis do not want ‘them’ playing at midweek ladies.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I actually don’t have an issue with cross-dressing men.
    TBH I find them hilarious 😀
    It’s just they don’t belong in womens toilets or changing rooms.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:20am
    - peterwn
      
      Nor in womens sport.
      
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      May 14, 2024 10:49am
    - peterwn
      
      I was a bit surprised with this, but I assume that the ladies can blast these poofters off the court with superior tennis.
      
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      May 14, 2024 2:49pm
- pdm
  
  Maggy when you mention Labour MP’s and bullying accusations I have to work through a list to find the right one.
  
  McAnulty, Anderson, Halbert, Lorck, Allen for starters.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It tells me that nobody voted him in.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:13am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Sigh. Like Winston or Steven Joyce or Bill English in his last term or (currently) most ACT MPs or most Green MPs.
    
    All the TMP members are electorate not list. Does that give them more legitimacy?
    
    Electorate and list MPs are both put there by voters. MMP ain’t going away anytime soon.
    
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    May 14, 2024 5:59pm
- peterwn
  
  He only got back in on the list because a few Labour list MP’s resigned from Parliament following Labour’s defeat and Labour being in the political wilderness for the next 12+ years.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One day he will meet the tooth fairy.
  
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  May 14, 2024 11:14am
- Notsofast
  
  What a delusional dickhead.
  The miracle in NZ today is labour polling above zero.
  Winston is responding to the clear wishes of the still sane majority of the citizenry.
  To be clear, Bruce Jennings is a self declared autogynephile.
  
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  May 14, 2024 12:05pm
cmm

Good to see this scumbag gone. Pity we can’t get rid of a few more.

I wonder whether he’d have got to stay if he had had a cultural report? He had lots of boxes to tick: orphan, resettled in a foreign land, etc etc.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350276127/one-kick-killer-mark-nagel-deported-south-africa
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May 14, 2024 8:26am
- pdm
  
  Cmm – where is Jacinda’s BFF Karl Subrek?
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Up the boo-hi shootin pukakas with a long handled shovel?
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:22am
    - Jethrod
      
      Ain’t heard that one for a while.
      
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      May 14, 2024 4:58pm
- Simon
  
  People are routinely killed in NZ and the killer gets 12 months Home D.
  
  Claw hammer, screw driver, rattan stick. Having a means of self defense increases your awareness of threats around you. Also the safety in the knowledge of not relying upon the police.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Steering wheel lock under my driver’s seat. It’s there for a reason.
    So is the curtain rod above my front door. 20mm stainless steel.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:42am
- jkt
  
  This is the type of crime that should qualify one for 3S.
  
  From what I can see, this was a case of youngsters pursuing a man who may have offended them, after the situation was de-escalated they pursued and assaulted the man, used excessive force in the assault, when walking away was the logical and decent option. There are far too many of these types of offences taking place in our society.
  
  And as you say, often a cultural report is enough to give the perpetrator a free pass.
  
  Maybe it is time that we put pressure on the minister in charge and government to ensure that there are real teeth in 3S. The 3S law should at the very least place a responsibility on the judge to make a determination whether the criminal act constitutes a 3S offence, irrespective of the sentence.
  
  Victims, their family or any concerned citizen should have the right to ask for a review of the sentence if the judge waive 3S as part of the sentence.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:15am
  - cmm
    
    He has been deported now. There is no way they will be bringing him back to NZ for retrial and re-conviction.
    
    Since he has already been through the judicial system I doubt South Africa would see a need to extradite him.
    
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    May 14, 2024 2:24pm
    - jkt
      
      3Strikes.
      
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      May 14, 2024 4:23pm
- sirknz
  
  Exactly. Can we get rid of the immigrants who are rapists and molesters too. The fact that the punishment for the crimes committed would cause undue hardship on their families shouldn’t even be a consideration.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:45am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    There are regular deportations of criminals after sentences served…. I recall a number being sent back to Samoa and Tonga reported in the papers….
    
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    May 14, 2024 11:46am
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      Can I ask Jim, is it true that if a country deports a criminal back to their ‘home’ country, we still have to pay for the crim to be incarcerated in their new prison?
      
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      May 14, 2024 1:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Are our universities really this dire?

Of those who can, on a surface level, read and write to some satisfactory level, many lack the level of comprehension required to make proper sense to what they are reading. Their frame of reference is far too small. If you ask undergraduates for their honest opinion, many will say that they do not do the required readings (at most, they skim for 3 main points), they cannot concentrate to the degree required to read a journal article or a book chapter and that there are many words, phrases, and ideas within them that they don’t comprehend.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2024/05/13/cant-read-cant-write-cant-comprehend-and-wont-think/
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May 14, 2024 8:27am
- CJames
  
  As a general rule, technical manuals and reports are a lot harder to read than fiction. This is because they are full of jargon and generally long sentences with lots of clauses with rationed full stops. They are generally written by people that know their subject deeply and expect everyone else to as well. Yet people have to be able to understand these. Understanding this technical writing is essential but it is not there in much of the workforce.
  A number of accidents occur because people haven’t read the instructions, even when they are well written. Having icons on controls is a poor substitute for understanding. But the school system doesn’t test comprehension of reding and translation into actions.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Accident for not reading instructions, or the handbook.
    Really it is only the manufacturer’s opinion.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:47am
- Local Miller
  
  It’s concerning and interesting that we have students that neither know the foundational information they should, nor have the ability to think.
  The “modern” education system was built on the premise that the old “rote learning” system was useless and needed to be replaced. But the old system was based on the idea that unless you knew the core information by rote, you didn’t have a foundation to build on. This meant you wouldn’t get to a point where you could start to think for yourself.
  As with so many replacement (progressive) systems, they never achieve what they promise and often result in worse outcomes. In education we now have no rote knowledge (because rote is bad), and no ability to think because there’s no background to anchor your thoughts against.
  Historically most schooling was 12 years. Certainly mine was in South Africa and my NZ family tells me it was the same in NZ. Now we have 13 years of school, but students come out less qualified for life and tertiary education than we did with our 12 years in an “outdated” system.
  We need to get schools back to basics, starting from year 1, but I can’t see a lot of the current teachers being keen on going back to the old ways.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:11am
  - jkt
    
    But you may hurt their feelings.
    
    We removed corporal punishment as a tool for schools to discipline. …. OK, not that it did most of us any real harm. (I can remember a friend telling me once that she cried every time I got strapped by a teacher. I recall responding, agh shame – I am so sorry)
    
    I am not saying that we bring corporal punishment back but children should be held to account and be punished for anti social behaviour. Not doing homework or performing tasks should be sanctioned. That is how the real world works.
    
    In the progressive project (critical teaching) we moved the power from the teacher to the pupil. No good can come of that!
    
    I agree, back to the basics.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep. Six of the best for being a prick!
      
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      May 14, 2024 9:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Current teachers just indoctrinate their Marxism.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:49am
- cmm
  
  I wonder how much of this is real degradation in standards and how much is due to changing demographics?
  
  Most likely it is many factors.
  
  As I understand it, from talking to a primary school teacher a while ago, one of the bigger factors is that primary school teachers are extremely reluctant to fail the pupils and keep them back a year to repeat, because they want to be with their friends and, aww, hugz and hurtie feelings.
  
  As a result, children are being promoted to the next level when they are not ready. They never catch up and have no solid foundations to build on. Eventually they fall out of the pipe in high school with nothing.
  
  Failing a child and keeping them back a year is the best possible thing you can do for them. Better a few hurtie feelings than denying them education.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:37am
  - jkt
    
    Cognitive Behaviour Therapy.
    
    Dead right.
    
    My son told me that when he was at school in SA he was taught that one plus one makes two. The kids that were well behaved were allowed out to play marbles. Those who behaved badly were held back in class as punishment. And got the strap.
    
    When he arrived in NZ he learned that one plus one no longer necessarily added up to two. You acted up in class and you were allowed to go out and play marbles!
    
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    May 14, 2024 11:36am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Quite possibly – my rooster critiques engineering reports at the firm he works at and is appalled at the quality of these from newly minted graduates
  
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  May 14, 2024 1:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Dear KBers

an advance notice…….
just in case I’m one of the tens of thousands….

Goodbye.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/516720/earthquake-disaster-risk-from-nz-s-hikurangi-subduction-zone
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May 14, 2024 8:33am
- Swifty
  
  It’s been nice knowing you Maggy.
  
  😆
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, covid terror almost gone, bring on the earthquakes.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:41am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    All we need to do to mitigate the earthquake risks is tax people more after all it apparently works for the climate.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:16am
- Flossie
  
  If the worst does happen Maggy you would be sadly missed!
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:42am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ditto from Welly.
  
  See you in the Styx ferry queue, Maggy. Don’t forget your gold coin donation.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Gold?
    Hell, has the cost of dying gone up?
    
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    May 14, 2024 11:43am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I was thinking just the NZ $2
      
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      May 14, 2024 8:05pm
- backster
  
  I will miss you Maggie but never mind Global Warming might get you first.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:42am
  - gravedodger
    
    Maggie that warning of Global Warming is in upgrade mode so watch out for Climate Change.
    Not as accurately described but apparently just as dangerous as the GW. take care out there.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:40am
  - zulumonster
    
    Backster – it will be a close contest – apparently Global Warming causes earthquakes … not sure if they have identified the trigger point yet, but you can be sure one of them’s gonna get ya!
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:30am
- Chuck Bird
  
  According to the loony left and some on the right climate change is our biggest problem.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:51am
  - cmm
    
    They have a point. Climate change is making the earthquakes, tsunamis and solar storms worse.
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:10am
    - kowtow
      
      Climate change is making the Ayatollahs, Xi’s , Putin’s and that North Korean guy very tetchy .
      
      I reckon they’re a bit more of an immediate danger than snow melt in the Alps or some coastal erosion on a coral atoll.
      
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      May 14, 2024 10:59am
    - AitchW
      
      According to the happy clappy tithing churches it’s all because of those homosexuals…..
      
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      May 14, 2024 8:25pm
- cmm
  
  Oh dear, more drama! 10,000 bodies to bury alongside the 80,000 grannies killed by covid.
  
  I see yesterday we had a “solar tsunami”. First time I’ve seen that one.
  
  “Science tells us that a catastrophic event, such as an alpine fault earthquake, or a Hikurangi fault subduction zone earthquake and tsunami will very likely happen, if not in our lifetime, in our children’s,”
  
  OK, best put that into my calendar then.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:55am
  - Im Right
    
    Phewwww we are all safe then, I have no kids!
    
    I’m sure the gravity and alarmist of reports are commensurate with the funding received.
    All it takes is one zealot paying someone to come up with a ‘report’ and well…. whaddya know, the ‘report’ matches the zealots predictions and thoughts!
    Who woulda thunk it….
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All Auckland has to fear is volcanos.
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:05am
    - cmm
      
      I’d be more worried about the gangs.
      
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      May 14, 2024 10:38am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If you are not involved with drugs it is fine.
        I have never tangled with them, they tend to leave normal people alone.
        
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        May 14, 2024 1:29pm
      - Jethrod
        
        So you’ve tangled with them!
        
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        May 14, 2024 5:14pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Don’t forget there is a 100% chance Earth will be hit by a comet big enough to finish us off.
    Meanwhile we drive the population into penury to supposedly avoid the planet being 1.5 degrees warmer next century…
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:59am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      An extinction level event caused by a comet or asteroid happens about every 500 million years.
      
      A massive earthquake on the Alpine Fault happens every 400 years.
      
      See the difference?
      
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      May 14, 2024 12:11pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t know what point you are making. I don’t know much about the Hikurangi fault subduction zone. However there is an excellent and detailed seismic record of Alpine Fault earthquakes over the last 5,000 years. There will be a magnitude 8+ earthquake on that fault, most likely in the next 50 years.
    
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    May 14, 2024 12:08pm
    - cmm
      
      Sure, but how is this something to be worried about?
      
      There is no useful actionable information in saying something is likely to happen in the next 50 years. Maybe 5 minutes time, maybe 50 years time.
      
      Am I supposed to be worried about this every day of my life?
      
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      May 14, 2024 2:29pm
      - sirknz
        
        You are supposed to be living in constant fear, dependent on the government and media for everything.
        
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        May 14, 2024 4:35pm
    - Jethrod
      
      May well trigger Hikurangi.
      
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      May 14, 2024 5:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just keep an eye on the sky. It could fall first.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s another factor to consider when you live in an active earthquake zone.
    
    A massive earthquake in very wet, cold winter will present quite different problems from one in a dry summer.
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:12am
    - Jack5
      
      And how long will the world’s re-insurers finance NZ re-builds after quakes and floods?
      
      And building standards? Are quake-damage standards safe from any NZ liberalisation of building codes?
      
      Here, from the Guardian is piece about earthquake damage in Chile, another country on the Pacific “ring of fire”:
      
      The country’s building codes require that all new buildings must be able to survive a 9.0-magnitude earthquake. The building can crack, tilt and even be declared unfit for future use – but it must not collapse. Discussing the 2010 earthquake, Felipe Espinoza, a Chilean firefighter, counts – on one hand – the multi-storey buildings destroyed. “The earthquake was 8.8 and there were 6,000 buildings in the affected area – yet only six were seriously damaged, and of those, only four had to be demolished.”
      
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      May 14, 2024 10:36am
- Burtland
  
  the disaster will be the governments response – ill prepared, ill thought out, lots of finger pointing and lack of action, money flowing to the wrong places.
  
  was anything learnt from Christchurch ?
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:20am
- rouppe
  
  Complete fear porn.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:44am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    How so?
    
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    May 14, 2024 12:12pm
    - cmm
      
      What can you do about it? Nothing, except leave NZ.
      
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      May 14, 2024 2:30pm
- Ghost
  
  You spend so much time trying to keep hubby alive and healthy and this takes you both out
  
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  May 14, 2024 11:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I reckon that’d beat a slow dribbly decline into dependency.
    
    Anyway, I’ve just gone and refreshed our emergency water supplies and checked if our torch batteries are
    still OK.
    
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    May 14, 2024 12:44pm
    - Ghost
      
      I check our supples monthly. Grew up being told the big one is coming. Earthquake drills in primary school because taupo was overdue. Before that told to run if the earthquakes where we lived got to several a day as that volcano would erupt without much warning within 50 years. Now told to prepare for the alpine fault. Can we have something more interesting to prepare for….
      
      A rocket from little dick man in north Korea. Maybe a zombie apocalypse. Even a meteor that Bruce Willis can go blow up
      
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      May 14, 2024 1:40pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Picking up on Benedict’s recent comments about the $400k salary attached to a tier 2 role in a smaller Ministry – that’s an outrageous amount of money, and cannot possibly offer that amount of value to the taxpayer.

I think all public sector CEO salaries should be immediately cut by $200k; tier 2 Managers by $100k & tier 3 Managers by $50k.

Let them squeal about how unfair it is, and how much talent will be lost to the private sector. I’ll bet that none of them leave, and in fact some may even welcome ‘sharing the load’. They’re all imposters, knowing that they’re not worth what they’re currently paid, and also knowing they’ll have no chance of matching even their reduced salary elsewhere.
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May 14, 2024 8:40am
- Inandout
  
  NM, just consider how these well paid employees spend their dosh in the restaurants. A $150 each lunch in a fine eatery would be the standard cost and many of these businesses rely on well paid state servants. Consultants by and large have seen their golden days reduced by a change of government.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:55am
- KH
  
  Make maximum pay for State CEOs $200K.
  To those who say “pay peanuts and you get monkeys”, I would respond that we “overpay and often get monkeys anyway”.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:07am
  - cmm
    
    Do we really need to feed the moneys gold plated peanuts?
    
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    May 14, 2024 9:12am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Danger with underpaying powerful positions is that honest capable people steer clear leaving them to be taken by corrupt and nutty zealots who discount the pay for the power they weild.
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:54am
    - KH
      
      So how do you explain the corrupt and nutty in the $500K plus jobs.
      Plenty of excellent people happy to get $200K jobs.
      
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      May 14, 2024 12:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Convert it to an hourly rate and it is ridiculous.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:06am
Anthony Melchett

An accident you say. Right.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/auckland-baby-murder-trial-young-couple-s-bleak-stressful-life-in-cramped-home-no-excuse-for-killing-of-amaziah-te-ahuru-crown-says/

Another day, another story of how dumb we are as a species.

Good to see they are already starting to sell the narrative on this one of how difficult his life was raising 3 kids with 2 unemployed parents in a small flat. Yea, that excuses it.

He should have quickly learned how to play rugby to help get a sentencing discount
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May 14, 2024 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can’t be sure – so not guilty.
  What a crock of shit.
  Bet shaking hands with his lawyer is like shaking a cold, wet fish.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:10am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Can judges direct juries to enter a verdict of guilty?
    This would be the proper time to do so.
    
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    May 14, 2024 11:07am
Maggie Pie

There’s a lot of besties on ‘X’ this morning saying they’re not entirely sure if it was a wise move for New Zealand to upset this fat nasty little 4-eyed dikhead with the silly haircut……

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1789897492240150630
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May 14, 2024 8:49am
- cmm
  
  NZ is similarly shaped to Japan, so maybe he’ll attack the wrong place.
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:58am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Watch out for North Korean frog men kidnapping bathers from Auckland beaches then Maggie
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:21am
  - imalwaysright
    
    With any luck they will nab Wiles and her mate!
    
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    May 14, 2024 11:09am
    - Manu-Rau
      
      It’s much more likely that she would be picked up by a passing Japanese whaling ship.
      
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      May 14, 2024 5:10pm
- Ghost
  
  There was a simple solution to this. Our military operate under the name Aotearoa. Then when dictators get pissy they can’t find where the hell that military is from, New Zealand is safe.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Doesn’t he know that we have no bullets, and no shells for cannons?
  Only blanks for playing games with.
  But we better be careful, he might start bombing the ocean again.
  I might inform my good friend Donald Trump.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:18am
  - cmm
    
    Our artillery is short range stuff, so pretty useless on a battle field.
    
    The main purpose of 105mm artillery is training. The ammo is cheaper and the range is less, but the laws of physics are the same.
    
    If you want real, useful, artillery then 155mm is the stuff.
    
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    May 14, 2024 10:41am
    - KH
      
      Cheap one trip drones have made the expensive military stuff redundant.
      
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      May 14, 2024 12:04pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Trouble is signal blocking.
        Even my drone tells me I live 100M inside the Whenuapai Air Base 5 km geofence.
        Strange because in 2017 I was outside the geofence. Whenuapai must have moved because I haven’t moved.
        
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        May 14, 2024 1:35pm
      - cmm
        
        Not at all.
        
        Artillery is still the king of the battlefield even in 2024 and for the forseeable future.
        80% of the casualties on both sides in the current Ukraine conflict are caused by artillery.
        
        A good 155mm howitzer (not the American crap) can fire accurately out to 70km away using base bleed shells and over 50km with conventional shells.
        
        With HE airburst shells they can pretty much wipe out everything soft in in 50m radius. With different ammo they can destroy tanks etc.
        
        There are three aspects to using artillery effectively:
        * Well trained operators, including observers.
        * Range: the guy with a 50km gun owns the guy with a 30km gun.
        * Volume of fire: having enough guns and, more importantly, heaps of ammo.
        
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        May 14, 2024 2:18pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Putting on my rose-tinted goggles …
        
        The intersection of:
        (1) We need to re-invest in a lot of new kit for the NZDF, and
        (2) The Ukraine war has highlighted new technologies, strategies and tactics, and
        (3) Aligning with AUKUS should help us with procurement and access to new technologies,
        Should mean we are well-positioned to get good value for our spend.
        
        But I am just waiting for the NZDF brass and the politicians to go penny-wise pound-foolish yet again.
        
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        May 14, 2024 4:06pm
kiwikidsnz

Today is Tax Freedom day, ~40% of the year gone

Noting also that ~20 years ago Tax Freedom day was a month earlier…
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May 14, 2024 8:50am
- jkt
  
  Can we tease that out a bit?
  Is this in NZ context?
  
  Does that mean we are earning less or government spending more? Or the reverse? Or maybe both…..
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:46am
- mogg
  
  The financial year starts on April 1st.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:55am
  - jkt
    
    22 May 2023 was tax freedom day in NZ.
    I last year, for Europe, it was 10 June.
    
    It slipped from 5 May 2018 to ?? May 2024
    
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    May 14, 2024 11:43am
PurplePen

I see Poutaka has insisted DOC continue to use Manglish rather than English or Maori. I suggest that we or when anyone writes to DOC or fills in a form(do they have these) that you use Maori or use English but with lots of maori words inserted and interspersed. The effect will be they’ll need to outsource to maori translators or get some in-house adding to their overhead and taking away from their actual frontline work.
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May 14, 2024 9:24am
- Cassandra
  
  He came across as more Maori than National when he was selected. The classic “store front (Afro-American)”. I suppose it’s goodish politics as National tries to be all things to all women. Good politically but dishonest.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:49am
  - Positan
    
    Incredibly, it was Luxon’s edict prior to the Hamilton West by-election that the National candidate to context the vacancy HAD TO BE MAORI.
    
    That’s what National has become today. Far more concerned with votes than in acting properly and always seeking to do the correct and proper thing – political expediency notwithstanding. That’s why they’ve lost my vote and support.
    
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    May 15, 2024 2:54pm
- kowtow
  
  The public service is now a vehicle for social change and not for its proper purpose , which is serving the public.
  
  Our taxes get wasted .Their role destroyed .
  
  It’s all wrong on so many levels.
  
  Is it any wonder so little seems to be working out for ordinary people and in turn they grow dissillusioned and angry .
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:53am
- DimChappie
  
  This is an outrageous breach of the NZ First Coalition agreement and confirms Poutaka is an activist: “The Parties will … Require the public service departments and Crown Entities to communicate primarily in English – except those entities specifically related to Maori.”
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:06pm
- Ghost
  
  I don’t see a problem with his decision. If someone writes them in maori you get a reply in maori. Write in English you get a reply in English
  
  I expect Department of Conservation staff to effectively communicate with Māori and all New Zealanders in the language that is suitable for the user”, Potaka added
  
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  May 15, 2024 3:23pm
Maggie Pie

Anybody want to put this in their Diary for October 1st?

THORT NOT 😀 😀 😀

https://www.cns.org/annualmeeting/program/speakers/jacinda-ardern
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May 14, 2024 9:34am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I have frequently wondered how the world’s biggest democracy could have two contenders for the presidency; one of whom is suffering from alzheimers and the other is a narcisscistic person.
  Then Maggie Pie brought to my attention who their Congress of Neurological Surgeons seek as their expert speaker.
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:46am
  - WorthwhileAucklandInitiative
    
    I wasn’t aware that was the situation in India, but it shouldn’t matter, because the Presidency there is more or less a ceremonial role.
    
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    May 14, 2024 12:51pm
- sirknz
  
  That’s a Tuesday, it’s a work in the office day so that will ruin any plans I might have made to go. Pretty sure I’ve got something else on that day anyway that I can’t get out of…
  
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  May 14, 2024 9:52am
- mogg
  
  Still polishing her halo and wearing the cloak of moral superiority on the world stage, but in NZ Labour Party, ‘she who must not be mentioned’.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Could go and create a bit of word soup ruckas.
  Better not, those Texas Rangers have guns.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:24am
cmm

I see that charter sch0ols are coming back. Good.

Hopefully these really are charter schools are going to be the real thing and not watered down like the new “3 strikes” law.

The article says that 15 are new schools and 35 will be re-badged state schools.

Re-badging existing state schools as charter schools sounds problematic unless they fire all the staff.

I hope I am wrong.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350275167/nz-politics-live-government-pledges-153m-50-charter-schools
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- JimBobJoe
  
  Suspect a number of rebadges will be charters forcibly integrated into State system by Labour to placate their Teachers Union masters
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:16am
- bjools
  
  The reason to bring them back.
  1. They worked
  2. The teacher union hate them.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:40am
  - Ian Boag
    
    They worked
    
    Some did. Some didn’t …
    
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    May 14, 2024 6:17pm
- peterwn
  
  Perhaps this would solve the Grammar problem in Auckland.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

Good to see Forest & Bird has pulled its head in over the management of Wapiti by DOC and the Fiordland Wapiti Foundation.

https://community.scoop.co.nz/2024/05/pause-in-wapiti-legal-action-a-win-for-fiordland/
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May 14, 2024 9:50am
- peterwn
  
  About time Forest and Bird charitable status was revoked. They have long since ceased being a charity.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:48am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nope, bring it on.
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May 14, 2024 10:26am
k1w1

I see Lisette Raymer is joining Stuff. I can’t stand her hyperbolic reporting style. She over-eggs every piece she does with melodrama. It’s embarrassing.
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May 14, 2024 10:37am
- Lummox
  
  I agree. She reminds me of Alan Whicker. Or the Monty Python spoof of Alan Whicker.
  
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  May 14, 2024 12:01pm
- cas
  
  Where is Michael Morrah going? I thought he was good.
  
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  May 14, 2024 12:58pm
- Jack5
  
  Stuff is hiring seven new staff for the 6pm bulletin.
  
  Where’s the money coming from? Advertising is down…
  
  Has the Coalition Government done some sort of secret deal to keep taxpayer money flowing to Stuff?
  
  https://stoppress.co.nz/news/stuff-announces-seven-new-staff-for-6pm-bulletin/
  
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  May 14, 2024 1:30pm
bjools

The United Nations (UN) has revised its estimates of civilian casualties in Gaza, slashing the figures by nearly 50%. This decision follows revelations that the initial data relied heavily on information provided by the Palestinian Ministry of Health, which is controlled by Hamas.

Can we even trust this number, considering

UN agency fires staff members allegedly involved in October 7 attacks. The UN’s agency for Palestine refugees (UNRWA) is “immediately” terminating the contracts of staff members allegedly involved in the October 7 attacks on Israel, Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini, pictured above, said on Friday.
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May 14, 2024 10:43am
- cmm
  
  “immediately”
  ɪˈmiːdɪətli,ɪˈmiːdʒətli/
  adverb:
  
  1. when a problem won’t go away, preferably after 7 months.
  2. when it becomes politically untenable to keep bullshitting.
  
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  May 14, 2024 11:37am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Not quite right. The new numbers are based on the Palestinian Ministry of Health numbers, the previous numbers were from the Hamas Propaganda arm (the Government Media Office). So still not entirely reliable anyway.
  
  Also note that these are very much exaggerated figures even if technically correct.
  
  The women and children figures include fighters who are by definition not innocent (I believe children is under 19?).
  
  These figures obviously don’t differentiate between fighters and civilians either.
  
  These figures don’t differentiate between Israeli kills and Hamas/other terrorist kills. There is plenty of evidence of Hamas misfired rockets and even of them firing on their own people.
  
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  May 14, 2024 11:49am
cmm

I hope there’s a bucket of water and a rag handy.
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May 14, 2024 10:46am
cmm

But they were so peaceful until they were colonized…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/riots-and-unrest-rock-new-caledonia-noumea-international-airport-closes-and-cancels-flights/3JS2ISJ7G5AUHNFN5FWI4JCYPE/
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May 14, 2024 10:49am
- Benedict Yu
  
  A second Boeing whistle blower suddenly dies. 😳
  
  https://www.npr.org/2024/05/02/1248693512/boeing-whistleblower-josh-dean-dead
  
  In the last 6 months there have been four former employees revealing dangerous practices in the commercial airplanes division.
  
  One found dead in his truck. Apparantly suicide.
  
  Now a guy in perfect health dies of a rare catastrophic infection.
  
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  May 14, 2024 10:59am
  - kowtow
    
    Beginning to look like it’s more dangerous working at Boeing than flying with Boeing ………
    
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    May 14, 2024 1:47pm
Maggie Pie

AND JUST IN

This will be of interest to all my besties in The Capital….

https://twitter.com/CranmerWrites/status/1790154137046540456

An announcement from HRH Mayor Tory Whanau is expected soon.
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May 14, 2024 11:03am
- Philview
  
  Is this related to Winston’s toilet Bill? I have seen headlines that New Zealanders are ‘outraged’ by this Bill. The media once again demonstrating why they are on a different planet compared to most of the country.
  
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  May 14, 2024 11:24am
- Surely Knott
  
  National needs to get serious. If Govt funded NGO”s won’t run council facilities which are inclusive of respectful debate of different ideas then they should be dumped. Appoint Free Speech Union to run the venue. And the Auckland Museum for that matter.
  
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  May 14, 2024 12:48pm
- zulumonster
  
  As noted below by 13Stars, Green Party aligned councillor Wi Neera deleted a rather unwise post on Scoop Wellington, outlining his cunning plan to have this event cancelled.
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNcUgU0bsAAYY52?format=jpg&name=large
  
  Looks like he and Mayor Whanau are brazen enough to try it on regardless!
  
  It is so discouraging that not only do we need to wait until next year for local body elections, but the next council will probably be made up of numpties of similar ilk to the current mob.
  
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  May 14, 2024 1:27pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    “If I were Mayor for a day I would create a working group
    on land transfer process back to Iwi”
    
    – Nikau Wi Neera ($tuffed)
    
    What’s wrong with Wellington voters… are they all into self-flagalation?
    
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    May 14, 2024 3:25pm
Bobba Fret

Someone finally deported!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350276127/one-kick-killer-mark-nagel-deported-south-africa
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May 14, 2024 11:11am
Chuck Bird

Well worth 1 hours viewing especially for Luxon.

Australia’s Nuclear Future | Chris Uhlmann, Helen Cook, Adi Paterson and Aidan Morrison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qbrgcTKXPQ
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May 14, 2024 11:20am
greybeard

The “Waikato Times article”, below, gives the impression that the heli-saw was invented by Lakeview Helicopters in NZ:

“The new heli-saw technology, created by Lakeview Helicopters…”

https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/nz-news/350276153/heli-saw-could-transform-power-line-protection/?utm_source=stuff_article&utm_medium=referral

I looked up “heli-saw” and found this article from the US from 2020:

https://verticalmag.com/features/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-aerial-saw-pilot/

This seems to be misleading, even plainly dishonest. Typical Stuff.
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May 14, 2024 11:24am
- Jack5
  
  I wonder whether the Americans were able to patent this technology?
  
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  May 14, 2024 12:38pm
  - Ghost
    
    Aerial saws are nothing new, they’ve been around for decades. Randall Rogers patented his invention in the 80’s
    
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    May 14, 2024 12:45pm
Ghost

Live article

Police to make gang announcement

Police Commissioner Andrew Coster is set to make an announcement about gangs at 11.15am.
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May 14, 2024 11:28am
- cmm
  
  Some guesses:
  
  * Gangs are misunderstood.
  * Gangs are just acting out the impacts of colonialism.
  * Gang members just want to be loved.
  * …
  
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  May 14, 2024 11:32am
  - Ghost
    
    You forgot gangs are just political branches of labour and the maori party…
    
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    May 14, 2024 11:35am
    - NothingLeft
      
      You forgot gangs are just ~~political~~ enforcement branches of labour and the maori party…
      
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      May 14, 2024 12:27pm
- Observer of Life
  
  I thought he’d dropped dead or perhaps retired. I haven’t seen or heard anything from him in months.
  
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  May 14, 2024 1:54pm
Ghost

I wonder what will top the news tonight. Labour complaing about the gang unit or the outrage from teachers

Government to convert 35 state schools to charter schools
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May 14, 2024 11:44am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Gang unit 🙂
  
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  May 14, 2024 12:13pm
Surely Knott

Questions still outstanding in NZ:

*What was the outcome of the Siouxie Wiles case? Are employers responsible for their staff’s online activities. Who was even employing Siouxie Wiles as a covid expert? Auckland Uni or TEC (eg the Govt)

*Kiri Allan case?

* Who shot Jack Brazil? Is their a shooter still on the loose?

* Who assaulted the 88 yr old woman on federal street 7 days ago? Has he been seen in court? Has the court granted him name suppression. Or does the media continue to grant it.

* Any of the New Lynn crimes. The 2 kids robbed by machete wielding masked robbers at their bus stop. The kids assaulted by a mob at Mcdonalds or in Titirangi?

Is open justice still a principle in NZ? Or is open justice systemically racist?
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May 14, 2024 12:02pm
- Ghost
  
  The court has not made a ruling on Siouxsie Wiles
  Kiri’s case goes before the courts this month
  
  These are common things you could learn if you used google
  
  Perhaps you should tell Brazil to cooperate with the police
  
  Man was arrested for that assault, that was obvious in the story about it. Now you just need to learn to wait for it to go to court instead of posting to kiwiblog moaning
  
  4 kids were arrested for the new Lynn assaults.
  
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  May 14, 2024 6:49pm
Maggie Pie

We just watched the live Press Conference with Mitch and Cuddles.
Mark was really really hyped up…. and it looked like some has rubbed off on Andy.
He actually seemed to be ‘born again’.
There’s no doubt he’s realised just how easy he had it for the last 4 years.
Knows he needs to put his big-boy-boots on, get out among it and kick some gangsta arse.

My partner reckons things are going to get real interesting.
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May 14, 2024 12:36pm
- cmm
  
  Like the newly minted “3Strikes”, the devil is in the details.
  
  Is a Gang Unit going to actually take down gangs, or will they be a bit more like a maternity unit and actually cuddle the gangs?
  
  After the way they treated the Killer Beez yesterday, I doubt we’re going to see any real action.
  
  Again, I hope I am wrong.
  
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  May 14, 2024 12:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We just thort Andy probably feels he can be a man again. No longer having to face being hen-pecked and dictated to by Cindy and Ginny every day.
    You get the feeling deep down that Mitch is an ‘action man’ with something to prove.
    Like you, we hope that Lux lets them get on with it… and doesn’t throw the anchor out as soon Maiki and Tova give him a windup.
    
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    May 14, 2024 1:19pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I wonder to myself what if Coster had disobeyed Jacinda’s directions considering he is ostensibly above political influence?
  
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  May 14, 2024 3:05pm
Damocles11

Record numbers of New Zealand citizens leaving and they will be our best and brightest, people with great career prospects and mobile capital. The disaster that New Zealand has become is squarely to blame. An ‘all eggs in one basket’ economy based on a property bubble which has left an indebted-to-the-eyeballs populace squealing for lower interest rates while the young simply see the sky-high prices and head for Australia, a totally woke corporate sector that fell into lock step behind Jacinda and started parroting Labour slogans, and now we have a woke corporate manager PM whose main focus is on watering down anything ACT and NZ First try to accomplish as regards reversing the hijacking of this country by the radical Left and radical Maori. The working population is simply being ripped off by rapacious councils and equally rapacious vested interests sucking on the teat provided by central government. And what is in store for us? More of the same. The only people sticking around will be those with family obligations here, or the hopeless.

———

‘A record 52,500 New Zealand citizens left the country in the year ended March 31, according to Stats NZ.

The latest numbers were much higher than the previous record of 44,400 citizen departures, more than a decade ago.

“This is the first time the annual net migration loss of New Zealand citizens has exceeded 50,000,” Tehseen Islam, of Stats NZ, said this morning.’
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May 14, 2024 12:44pm
- thirteenstars
  
  It’s insane, and it’s the arrivals that matter not the nett migration figure.
  
  The Herald article:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/net-migration-loss-of-nz-citizens-exceeds-50000-a-year-for-first-time-ever/
  
  Year to March 2024 arrivals were 239k which is a whopping 4% of NZ’s population. To March 2023 it was 172k which is 3%. In just two years that’s 7%, getting on, ironically, for half the Maori population.
  
  Most immigrants aren’t from countries with similar Western cultures. I wonder, does the NZ government actively target these countries or is it all just word of mouth? If skilled workers and professionals, and their capital, are needed, shouldn’t there be a campaign launched in similar countries offering incentives to move here?
  
  Or is it possible that NZ has become so unattractive in recent times that it’s better to hop off the plane in Australia?
  
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  May 14, 2024 1:23pm
  - MCōs
    
    I’m not sure what you mean by ‘similar western culture’ and does it matter
    For example
    In the last year I’ve encountered all manner of what you would probably classify as ‘eastern’ doctors and nurses
    
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    May 14, 2024 1:47pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      I mean exactly what you think I mean. Shared cultural values going back to a very common origin. Values that have been responsible for the flowering of liberal democracy, free market capitalism, human rights, pluralism and the rule of law.
      
      Countries would include NZ, Australia, UK, Western Europe and some of Eastern Europe, Canada, the United States, and others.
      
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      May 14, 2024 2:11pm
thirteenstars

Ani O’Brien from the Free Speech Union writes:

This is a Wellington City Councillor laying out a plan to use thugs veto to get an event canceled. He describes that it is unfortunate that others have had their rights held up by the courts. What a little tyrant.

That councillor is Maori ward representative Nīkau Wi Neera. He posted to the Wellington reddit, but then it was deleted. Fortunately O’Brien and others saw the post and archived it. Here’s an image of what he said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNcUgU0bsAAYY52?format=jpg&name=large

The organisation holding the event at the Wellington convention centre is:

INFLECTION POINT NEW ZEALAND has brought together renowned speakers from New Zealand and around the world who champion global concerns for children, women and society at large. This summit is for New Zealanders who want the Government to stop gender indoctrination and medicalisation of our children.

https://inflectionpoint.nz/

Groups like Poneke Antifa and Trans Community Defence are turning up to protest the exercise of free speech:

https://www.facebook.com/100084103216470/posts/420683350745102/

This has the makings of another Posie Parker type situation, except the protestors would have to storm a building to effect much damage. Perhaps it’ll be an inside job like the destruction of the Treaty exhibit at Te Papa a few months ago. Te Papa actually handle the bookings for the convention centre and claim they thought the booking was for NZ First.

This is the Free Speech Union’s media release on the threat to silence free speech:

https://www.fsu.nz/activists_seek_to_shut_down_gender_critical_event

Some might remember that after the trans mob violence at Albert Park, Posie Parker had to cancel her Wellington event due to fears that the situation there would be even worse.
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May 14, 2024 12:48pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  What a disgrace..
  
  “I have been running around all trying to shut this down.”
  
  and the old favourite.. the event should be shut down because it poses a “health and safety risk”.
  
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  May 14, 2024 2:20pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    These people keeping taking the mask off and say the quiet part out loud. The tactic is clear and spelled out explicitly. There’s no longer any excuse for ignorance on these matters.
    
    Actually, all authoritarians, emboldened, will tell you exactly what they plan to do.
    
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    May 14, 2024 2:28pm
Ra Henare

A thought before breakfast.

Why would being left leaning or right leaning matter when dealing with matters of facts/opinion on non political matters.

From time to time I post alternative articles I find on such things as the Middle East war, the Ukrainian war, etc etc

Someone will then pop up and proudly say oh, that article is from a left leaning or right leaning outfit, in a supposed attempt to denigrate the information.

What difference does it make if the article if its authors think like a socialist or a capitalist when discussing the impact of a 1000lb bomb in Gaza or the number of Ukrainians attempting to take over a Russian held Nuclear plant?

and now for smoked bacon(salty) and eggs to stay healthy and mentally stable
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May 14, 2024 1:01pm
- Damocles11
  
  What matters is the slant people put on things. You will be told that the Ukrainians were ‘committing a genocide in the Donbas’ prior to the full-scale Russian invasion in 2022, and this can be easily disproved simply by looking at the civilian casualty figures year by year from 2014 to 2021, and also the causes of death and on which side on the line of control people were dying on. Whoever puts up slanted articles will have an agenda, and it’s about swaying people to their side of the argument.
  
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  May 14, 2024 1:21pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Ra
  And yet you denigrate Tablet as a source…
  This is you.
  “Why am I not surprised that Tablet.com is a Pro Israel site.
  Just goes to prove that Google can provide any “”news”” you want.”
  “But No, I have to believe Israeli information/misinformation”
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/05/general_debate_12_may_2024.html#comment-3557366
  
  Hypocrite much?
  I’m starting to think all you bigots aren’t very bright
  
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  May 14, 2024 2:15pm
Swifty

How dare they try to oppress this little girl!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13413145/Thumb-sucking-paedophile-identify-little-girl-jailed-secret-phones.html

Trans-girls are girls!!!!!!!

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May 14, 2024 1:10pm
- Ghost
  
  How fun. I hope they let him dress up as a little girl in prison….
  
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  May 14, 2024 1:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bring back mental institutions and shock treatment.
  
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  May 14, 2024 1:40pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Lake Alice was great. Fixed a whole lot of people ….
    
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    May 14, 2024 6:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Been waiting for this.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/why-the-waitangi-tribunal-must-go-and-why-seymours-treaty-principles-bill-is-imperative/?
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May 14, 2024 1:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Note that the first Principles were introduced by idiot Geoffrey Palmer.
  Parliament is “Supreme” and nobody can push them around.
  Oh wait, looks like the Activist Waitangi Tribunal can. This shit needs to stop like yesterday!!
  
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  May 14, 2024 1:49pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That downtick was quick, Mike!!
    
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    May 14, 2024 1:56pm
    - Grunter
      
      Steve O – I see you almost always get 3-4 downticks for your Stop Co-Governance daily posts, but I’ve never seen a reasoned debate against whatever the daily link says.
      
      Downtickers – It would be useful to see your alternate viewpoint (maybe even without name-calling….!).
      
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      May 14, 2024 4:13pm
      - Mike
        
        Rather than posting links, Steve could make his own case or at least provide a summary of Batchelor’s arguments, such as they are. I would probably respond to that.
        
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        May 14, 2024 6:42pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I know nothing of Law.
    What would be nice is if some here of Legal standing could follow Julian Batchelor through this to Section 6(6) of the Treaty of Waitangi Act.
    There is a loophole with the key word “UNLESS”
    So do we have a Government in New Zealand, or do we have a Waitangi Tribunal controller in Aotearoa?
    
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    May 14, 2024 2:11pm
Maggie Pie

Hmmm. Maybe not such a great start afterall 🙁
Andy-the-Cap ‘reluctant’ to arm the Gang Unit.
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May 14, 2024 2:02pm
Ghost

The Christchurch Call’s work to eliminate terrorist and violent extremist content online will be coordinated by a new non-governmental organisation, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and French President Emmanuel Macron have announced.

The Christchurch Call Foundation is the outcome of the November 2023 Call Leaders’ Summit, where leaders endorsed New Zealand and France building a resilient Secretariat ahead of the Call’s fifth anniversary in May 2024.

New Zealand taxpayer funding for the Call will end on June 30, as support functions transfer to the new Secretariat, funded by the new Foundation.

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May 14, 2024 2:04pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  So who funds the new Foundation?
  
  Asking for a friend who says they’re sick & tired
  of seeing their hard earned taxes wasted on shite
  like this.
  
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  May 14, 2024 2:28pm
  - Ghost
    
    The Christchurch Call Foundation has already attracted pledges from members of the Call Community and philanthropic donors.
    
    Article
    
    This part sounds like a bye bye
    
    Christopher Luxon said “I’d like to thank Dame Jacinda Ardern for her advocacy and leadership of the Christchurch Call which has curtailed violent extremism online. I wish her and the Christchurch Call well as they evolve in the next phase of its development.”
    
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    May 14, 2024 2:37pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Wonder if the new Foundation will continue to fund
      Cindy’s security detail or if we still have to do that?
      
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      May 14, 2024 2:52pm
      - Ghost
        
        I wonder how long the new foundation will last having to raise their own funding. A year or two?
        
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        May 14, 2024 3:52pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        See the ‘FOUNDATION HEADQUARTERS’ will be in Wellington.
        
        Does that mean Cindy is coming home?
        
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        May 14, 2024 4:47pm
    - kevn
      
      and the funding for this grift as well…
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/prince-harry-meghan-markles-archewell-foundation-ordered-to-stop-spending-delinquent/CNVRN5PERZANVPVHY4MVK55JTQ/
      
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      May 14, 2024 3:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Were we really paying the useless woman half a million dollars to do bugga all?
  
  “When Chris Hipkins appointed his old boss special envoy for the Christchurch Call, he agreed to pay her $450,000-$500,000 a year for her expenses, essentially so she could fly around lobbying foreign governments and social media giants to introduce new content regulations.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2405/S00107/taxpayers-off-the-hook-for-arderns-pet-project.htm
  
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  May 14, 2024 5:31pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Here’s something that could move the needle in terms of more base load supply. It’s a US article but is relevant here.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Geothermal-Energy/Machine-Learning-Could-Make-Geothermal-Energy-More-Affordable.html
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May 14, 2024 2:47pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

‘Tipene Te Ahuru GUILTY of murdering baby son’.

What’s the first thing you notice?

https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1790221407949111480
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May 14, 2024 4:44pm
Ghost

I cannot help but wonder if the real problem with comedy in New Zealand is that the comedians just aren’t funny

NZ comedians share concerns for their industry as the NZ Comedy Festival continues

The most pressing issue right now is the whiteness of comedy in this country, and the lack of Pacific and Māori voices at most stand-up gigs

Really? That’s the most pressing issue with comedy? I thought it might be how lame you all are.
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May 14, 2024 5:03pm
- greybeard
  
  Exactly. The last NZ comedian was Billy.T.James.
  The greatest and the most honest.
  
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  May 14, 2024 6:20pm
  - graham
    
    I wonder if these so-called “comedians” might care to reflect on the golden years of NZ comedy – Billy T James, McPhail and Gadsby, Fred Dagg – and wonder why today’s comedians don’t have anything like the name and brand recognition that these comic geniuses had.
    
    “Traditionally comedy has been very much a bastion of the straight white man” … says a comedian who, probably without any sense of irony, also talks about comedians winning the prestigious Billy T award …
    
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    May 14, 2024 6:34pm
- Mike
  
  There are funny NZ comedians, just none on TV atm.
  
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  May 14, 2024 6:47pm
  - Sponge
    
    I don’t often rise to your bait but who?
    
    I used to go to comedy clubs in the UK and some were outstanding (some of course were shit as well).
    
    The comedy I have seen in pubs and shows etc in NZ been utter shit with the exception of the Hudson and Halls show that was on at the Court Theatre a few years ago. I accept that it could be my choice of venue. If you, or anyone else, can suggest a good venue or comedian that is in, or visiting, Canterbury I would be grateful.
    
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    May 14, 2024 7:15pm
    - Mike
      
      Flight of the Conchords and Wellington Paranormal spring to mind.
      Not familiar with stand-up comics.
      
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      May 14, 2024 7:22pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Flight of the Conchords is some of the most lame humour ever….
        
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        May 14, 2024 7:49pm
      - Ghost
        
        Ah, Wellington paranormal was a crap tv show. Actually Wellington paranormal is a good point of how pathetic and lame nz comedy is
        
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        May 14, 2024 8:01pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I watch Welly Para occasionally in Aus. It can be funny IMHO.
        
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        May 14, 2024 8:44pm
JimBobJoe

Jay Bhattacharya… just under 2 hours, detailing his experience of questioning lockdowns and promoting the focused protection doctrine as a better approach….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF5G46kSKR4

Note: Jay was a vax supporter, got jabbed himself and also lost relatives in his original homeland of India to COVID (came to the US as a child with his parents). He is an Medical Degree and has a degree in Economics. Has worked in public heath policy for decades.

Enjoy
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May 14, 2024 6:40pm
Ghost

Weird, black face is meant to be black. I’m sure it was a give away that their faces are green that they aren’t wearing black face……

Two teens who were expelled from a private school for “blacking up” have won a US$1 million ($1.6 million) payout after they proved they were wearing an acne face mask.

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May 14, 2024 8:02pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Some people are just too insanely precious. For instance if a black/brown/yellow/red person paints his/her face white (note: it is common for some women is south east Asia to use makeup that whitens their complexion) why should I give a f***?
  
  I wish these racial “karens” would just F off and get a life!
  
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  May 14, 2024 8:47pm
NZer In Exile

Further corroboration that Green House Gases (GHGs) are not a prob of any significance for planet earth.

Tom Nelson Podcast:
Rodney McInnis: GHG Lab – a defensive tool for threatened industries (EG farming).
https://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-is5wk-1e902640

The “climate emergency” is all bullshit and once thriving countries (EG NZ and Aus) are steadily heading for economic ruin and misery as a result of their politicians and media being mindless followers.
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