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Steve Otto(North Shore)

“Return me to the White House with $1 billion in donations and I’ll overturn Joe Biden’s burdensome environmental regulations, including his electric vehicle mandate.”
DJT.
America has oil, surplus oil. Enough to refine and export. Why not use it?
Fuck the EVs.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-asked-oil-ceos-for-1billion-in-campaign-donations/ar-BB1maTty?
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May 11, 2024 8:03am
- Mike
  
  “Give me a billion dollars and I’ll make any law you want”
  Nothing wtong with is there?
  
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  May 11, 2024 8:08am
  - jkt
    
    Rent seeking is a real thing. “Here is some money if you will listen to my opinions on how we can build a better society.”
    
    But this way around it is even more vile. “Give me money and I will do as you ask.”
    
    Is this a new low or is it just Trump demonstrating to us the hypocrisy of the political establishment?
    
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    May 11, 2024 9:22am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Both.
      
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      May 11, 2024 9:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Biden closed down American oil and gas, then had to beg the Saudis for oil.
    Why Mike? America was exporting crude and refined. There was a huge surplus but Biden killed it off.
    A billion dollars does not go in Trump’s bank account. You would have to be naive to think that.
    Last time I was in Alaska petrol was US$2.30? a gallon. Now it is knocking on the door of $5 a gallon.
    
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    May 11, 2024 9:56am
    - virtualmark
      
      Steve,
      
      America is producing more oil and gas today than it ever has in its history. In fact, America is currently producing more oil and gas today than any country ever has in all history. So no, Biden clearly hasn’t closed down American oil and gas.
      
      Neither has he, or America, had to beg the Saudis for oil. America is producing about 13 million barrels a day, Saudi just under 10 million barrels a day. And that gap is widening, not narrowing.
      
      But the price of oil is set by global markets, not by American presidents.
      
      Global supply is down … Russia, the world’s second largest producer, has production issues and faces embargos. Meanwhile global demand is climbing as the world recovers from Covid slowdowns and places like China add more and more cars to their fleets.
      
      Oh, and I wouldn’t be so naive as to think Trump didn’t mean the money going into his bank account. One thing we can always rely on is Trump’s greed and self-interest.
      
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      May 11, 2024 1:32pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        So that’s why the Strategic Petroleum Reserves are at an all time Low.
        Yes they are producing more Oil and Gas for Export due too blowing up someone’s Pipeline for Gas and too expensive to refine in states due to ESG costs involved.
        See where we are heading ?
        
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        May 11, 2024 2:47pm
      - virtualmark
        
        The SPR is at a low because it was tapped to temper high oil prices … which is one of its purposes.
        
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        May 11, 2024 3:36pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So why has petrol doubled in price since 2020?
        
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        May 11, 2024 3:50pm
- jkt
  
  Why are you so offended by EV’s when there is so much that one can be offended by.
  
  Be outraged by prejudges, unearned benefits, rent seeking, unnecessary cruelty, indiscriminate killing ……..
  Hell there is a lot to be outraged about.
  
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  May 11, 2024 8:38am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Murdering, homeless, racist beneficiaries don’t suck a hundred kilowatts from the grid when you plug them in.
    
    But its not a bad idea…
    
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    May 11, 2024 9:24am
    - jkt
      
      You know that is nonsense.
      It is not the EV that is doing the evil deed.
      It is the EV owner!
      
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      May 11, 2024 10:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    EVs will come to a grinding halt. Minerals for batteries will run out. The demand will exceed the supply of electricity – even with Nuclear.
    Biden will just walk away from the mess he created. Similar to what Ardern did to NZ.
    
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    May 11, 2024 10:03am
    - AitchW
      
      That’s what the left does. Destroy the economy and dismantle the right’s improvements then walk away with a clear conscience because what they did was, in their mind, for the betterment of the whole world.
      Delusional, ideological wreckers since the start of democracy.
      
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      May 11, 2024 10:15am
    - jkt
      
      Steve: That is a theory supported by many.
      
      But our problem is energy poverty, not evil EV’s.
      Our problem is self imposed and supported by bigots of all colours and creeds.
      
      Climate alarmists, anti-capitalist, critical theory bludgers, anti-semites, Semite Marxists, anti- Islamists, bludgers, do gooders, …… and the list goes on.
      
      We have solutions that will allow us to create more prosperity and reduce atmospheric CO2 as well as HARMFUL atmospheric substances and produce enough food and adequate shelter for all without the help of increased atmospheric CO2.
      
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      May 11, 2024 10:17am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Where is future energy coming from for NZ?
        
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        May 11, 2024 12:18pm
      - jkt
        
        Try looking at basic economics. Demand/Supply.
        
        Every electric car decreases demand for fossil fuel, make sense? Charge EV’s using surplus energy that is available at night, makes sense?
        
        What happens with fuel demand/supply curve. Makes sense?
        
        Nuclear power and hydro can provide peak loads, right? Makes sense so far ………. Extend the argument and soon one realises ……. f…. the alarmists, critical theory elites, the anti capitalists ……. We have viable options.
        
        The solutions are on the table to make the world more prosperous and resilient at LOWER cost!! F… the Malthusians and doom sayers.
        
        It is a choice, it is all about balancing risk and consequences, it is about trade offs ….. We can choose to be victims or we can build a better society.
        
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        May 11, 2024 1:19pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I don’t think he will walk away.
      I’m still predicting his demise has been scheduled for just before the election.
      
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      May 11, 2024 10:33am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        We all know the Democrats can be very evil – one in particular.
        
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        May 11, 2024 12:19pm
      - jkt
        
        He will self implode.
        Self destruct!
        
        Yeah, Hillary is evil 😈
        
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        May 11, 2024 1:22pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      There is no shortage of lithium or iron on Earth. Finding and developing economically viable deposits of lithium to production takes time, but there is and never will be any shortage. Battery metals are also recyclable, unlike fossil fuels.
      
      In California—the national leader in electric cars with more than 1 million plug-in vehicles—EV charging currently accounts for less than 1 percent of the grid’s total load during peak hours. In 2030, when the number of EVs in California is expected to surpass 5 million, charging is projected to account for less than 5 percent of that load
      
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-electric-vehicles-wont-break-the-grid/
      
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      May 11, 2024 11:21am
    - Master Mariner
      
      The thing I’m curious about is where do you take them once at the end of there useful life ?
      Or How much will it cost you to dispose ?
      Really a game of Pass the Parcel, You dont want too be holding it when the music stops.
      
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      May 11, 2024 2:50pm
      - jkt
        
        Just like what we all do when an ice gets to the end of its life.
        
        My 2013 Leaf is still on its first set of tyres and my annual service cost is still less than $100 and my battery is more than adequate for my needs. 70% charge give me 98km on a freezing morning.
        
        Horse for courses. I feel for people who do not have the option of owning two cars.
        
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        May 11, 2024 4:21pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Jkt – you should replace the tyres. Regardless of mileage, tyres age out. Get them checked, for your own sake & the safety of your passengers.
        
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        May 11, 2024 7:56pm
      - jkt
        
        Thanks Bollocks:
        
        Good point. I am aware of the tyre manufacturer recommendation.
        
        Do not worry, my tyres are fine.
        I have been driving for 50 years and understand how to manage risk.
        
        Speed and long distance travel kill tyres. And lack of attention.
        
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        May 12, 2024 10:36am
  - softail 1450
    
    JKT, Chinese EV producers are “outraged”that ten of thousands of their products are sitting in storage rapidly losing value because the previously brainwashed 1st world populace has caught on that they are expensive heavy piles of shite that lose their value faster than Dame Ardern lost her popularity a couple of years ago ,the farcical BS is over with just ask Musk.
    
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    May 11, 2024 11:15am
    - jkt
      
      The market sort this type of shit out. Remember, economics 101.
      
      I am happy with my choices and I will never pick victimhood over self reliance and productivity, life over death will always be my choice until the choice to meet death stares me fair and square in the face.
      
      Only then, will I take the alternative option and do what is right by me and my loved ones.
      
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      May 11, 2024 1:27pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It has something to do with Govt subsidies. The Chinese manufacturers know the market is declining but they make the car, collect the money, then park the car.
      Yes there are tens of thousands of cars that will probably never be on the road – just scrapped.
      I dunno where I read that, and I am not about to search the google machine.
      
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      May 11, 2024 3:47pm
      - jkt
        
        Pretty stupid, if you ask me.
        One can get the communist to the market but one cannot get the communist out of the commie.
        
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        May 11, 2024 4:24pm
  - I remember when
    
    “Why are you so offended by EV’s”
    It is not the EVs themselves that have caused the offence, it is the lack of reasonable argument and debate about the pros and cons.
    Or, rather, the acceptance of reasonable argument and debate.
    
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    May 11, 2024 11:22am
    - jkt
      
      But behind it all there is a very reasonable argument for investing renewable energy. It provides choice, the market can be relied on to regulate the supply, it improves resilience it creates prosperity when it is mixed into the supply chain.
      
      That is why I do not trust the progressives. Are they too stupid to understand Economics 101 …no they are not. A different ideology drives them. The want equality of outcome but suck the source of life out of everything and share only misery!
      
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      May 11, 2024 1:32pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I would recommend that you don’t work yourself up over EVs. Especially in the USA, the market will decide their success.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:16am
  - Grunter
    
    Bidens about to hit Chinese EV’s with a massive tariff (some claiming it will be more than 75%!!). You have to laugh as these Leftards mix green subsidies and trade barriers together
    
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    May 11, 2024 10:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It will come to a grinding halt there as well as NZ.
    We need electricity, and the infrastructure is not happening. Look at yesterday morning. It is freezing but use power sparingly. That means ration or the lights go out.
    
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    May 11, 2024 10:09am
    - igm
      
      Two minute showers come to mind!
      
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      May 11, 2024 10:26am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        H1.
        
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        May 11, 2024 10:44am
    - Burtland
      
      seems grid reinforcement for the electric economy is going to cost billions in Auckland alone
      
      so whos going to pay for this ? is the net Taxpayer up for this?
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/516449/govt-must-regulate-to-smooth-evs-and-data-centres-demand-on-power-grids-vector
      
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      May 11, 2024 10:53am
      - CJames
        
        Grid charges for capital works (put forward by Transpower and approved by EA) are paid for by the power consumer – it is part of the levy in your power bill. So it isn’t only the nett taxpayer who will carry the cost.
        
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        May 11, 2024 2:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        We knew it was going to be colder yesterday morning, but the heat pump is on a timer. It clocked in at 3am to get to 17 degC until 10am. Um, that is why we installed a heat pump. It is not like a bar heater.
        Oh, we have one of those infrared heaters outside on the deck wall over the spa pool.
        What is the use of buying the fucking thing and be told not to use it?
        We paid for the infrastructure years ago but the Govt and Councils just plain a simply waste the Rates/Taxes.
        
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        May 11, 2024 4:01pm
    - jkt
      
      While there is demand the price will stabilise and the market will do the rest.
      Punish the idiots and reward the industrious.
      
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      May 11, 2024 1:39pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Looks like the EU has already decided..
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5rJVTgR7mc
    
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    May 11, 2024 10:58am
    - jkt
      
      The market is well established. Subsidising EV’s was always a crock.
      
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      May 11, 2024 1:40pm
- virtualmark
  
  America is producing more oil and gas today, under Biden, than it ever has in its history.
  
  So Biden’s “burdensome environmental regulations” are clearly not holding the industry back.
  
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  May 11, 2024 1:27pm
  - jkt
    
    Interventionists always come up short.
    The American dilemma is that they can choose between two (senile) interventionist. Good luck.😉
    
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    May 11, 2024 1:43pm
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: “God Bless Bucks Fizz”
Eurovision hits a new low.
ROBERT W MALONE MD, MS
MAY 10

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-god-bless-bucks-fizz?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 11, 2024 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Socialism – true.
  
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  May 11, 2024 8:18am
- Rusty
  
  Bridgenag – Eurovision has become a freak show.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:36am
  - Debsta
    
    The west has become a freak show!
    
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    May 11, 2024 10:59am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Samoa shows NZ the way.

TV3 pulls its traditional method of broadcasting and moves to streaming.

TVNZ, are you watching?

http://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/516515/samoa-s-tv3-closes-channel-and-goes-fully-online
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May 11, 2024 8:04am
- jkt
  
  Government are you paying attention.
  Another government revenue stream under threat!
  
  Radio frequency fees under threat!
  
  Demand/supply tells us a story.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:27am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Powerful rare solar storm to hit Earth today and could ‘wipe out the internet’
Does anyone believe this?
Great for the aurora.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/powerful-rare-solar-storm-to-hit-earth-today-and-could-wipe-out-the-internet/ss-BB1m98Ki?
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May 11, 2024 8:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Downticker is awake early.
  
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  May 11, 2024 8:29am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Badges of honour
    
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    May 11, 2024 9:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yup! Go for your life, downticker!
      
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      May 11, 2024 10:15am
      - KH
        
        That downtickers plural Steve.
        
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        May 11, 2024 10:20am
  - jkt
    
    Some people believe in Superman.
    
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    May 11, 2024 9:14am
- Master Mariner
  
  GPS Satelites are having issues / Warnings.
  Starlink and other Satelite comms seems ok.
  
  Short answer Yes if Satelite derrived.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:06am
  - jkt
    
    Radio frequencies under threat.
    Electromagnetic interference. Many scada systems are these days backed up by fibre.
    
    Solar storm resilience.
    
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    May 11, 2024 9:31am
Anthony Melchett

[Mod – deleted]this prick should get 40 years not 4. No cultural report here it seems.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prison-violence-whiu-te-aramakutu-led-to-cells-swearing-after-learning-how-long-he-will-be-in-jail/HT4IAC7MSVFHBBBRHLNCKPQBOI/

And this[Mod – deleted] woman gets sentenced to 2 years, but has been in custody for a year since the attack so is already eligible for parole. Another piss weak sentence.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/taranaki-woman-jailed-for-stabbing-partner-with-scissors-amid-cheating-suspicions/TM5N6TWSKNAHFD2D4CO4YGXFFU/

[Mod – drop the racial crap from your messages]
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May 11, 2024 8:09am
Pope Punctilious II

Good news for freedom of expression. The DIA has scrapped the previous government’s ‘Safer Online Services and Media Platforms’ proposal that would have effectively imposed “hate speech” laws on the internet. I wrote one of the many submissions against this proposal.

https://community.scoop.co.nz/2024/05/another-victory-for-free-speech-dia-abandons-proposals-for-online-censorship/
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May 11, 2024 8:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Free Speech Union had a nice win. Released before DIA did.
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:28am
NeverMindTheBollocks

This is funny. A free bottle of wine was on offer from a tax-focused think tank. The offer was made in plain sight – in the privacy policy section of its website. It took three months for anyone to notice. Turned out to be a bottle of Château de Sales 2013/14, Pomerol too (weeps quietly).

Who reads the T&Cs, eh.

https://bbc.com/news/articles/c84z2jqpvpko
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May 11, 2024 8:11am
- jkt
  
  Good way to test, survey human behaviour.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

RFKjr:

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/health/other/rfk-jr-claims-he-could-eat-brain-worms-and-still-beat-biden-and-trump-in-debate-after-health-revelation/ar-BB1m6GCJ?

Beat Joe? Sure. Trump? I doubt it.
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May 11, 2024 8:12am
- Grunter
  
  He would clean up both of them in a proper debate. But it will never happen.
  
  Some polls show (who would believe any of them?) that in a one on one race Junior would beat Biden. Also shows he would beat Trump one on one. Basically means Junior is the favourite second pick.
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:24am
  - Colville
    
    IMHO the next USA election will be decided by turnout, a lot of apathy in the centerist 20 -30%.
    
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    May 11, 2024 10:57am
- jkt
  
  Steve.
  My money is on the brain worm.
  
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  May 11, 2024 4:31pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Not every climate change fanatic thinks EVs are the answer.

An army of protesters have attempted to storm the Tesla factory near Berlin. The riot was against the proposed doubling in size of the plant, which they allege would damage the environment.

I wonder what Greta would do.

https://bbc.com/news/articles/cv2j0v237vko
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May 11, 2024 8:21am
- Hollyfield
  
  I suspect the climate protesters wouldn’t have minded a different brand of EV manufacturer expanding their factory and therefore production of EVs.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:27am
  - jkt
    
    These lunatics are protesting against capitalism and markets …. their prosperity.
    
    I am talking about Greta and her mates.
    
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    May 11, 2024 9:39am
- AitchW
  
  She’d fly round the world to lecture us about the evils of fossil fuels. And the hypocrisy would go straight over her head.
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Why do the police let the left-wing protesters off so easily?” Musk wrote in another post.
  I agree, throw them all in the hinaki.
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:34am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Politically biased policing is a fact of life in modern west (and perhaps always was), establishment/civil service-aligned protestors will always be treated preferentially while contrarian upstarts will get the lash.
    
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    May 11, 2024 3:59pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The Pope nails it.

Homes become “very sad places,” he said, emptied of children and “filled with objects,” dogs or cats.

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2024/05/10/population-growth-birth-rate-greed-consumerism-247900
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May 11, 2024 8:25am
Pope Punctilious II

This study examines the “Ramadan Effect” – the effect of fasting on frequency of workplace accidents involving Muslim workers in Spain. Apparently some Spanish employers have responding by “reshuffling schedules and working hours to help fasting employees” or giving “fasting employees less strenuous tasks”.

Discuss.
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May 11, 2024 8:25am
- SpencerArnold
  
  Nope, worked with a muslim in the UK who was intolerable during Ramadan due to being hungry and generally tired. He also refused to stay at home when sick so I had to use my sick leave up staying away while he was infectious, and even though his wife could drive, she refused to so he picked up the kids from school daily. Never again if I can help it.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:31am
- Master Mariner
  
  It is a major concern at sea too, Having sailed with all Muslim crew, Ramadam we reduce any maintenance etc to a minimum due too this very fact.
  Right Pain in the arse, In addition try getting anything done during this period is impossible mainly Middle East and Malaysia/ Indonesia this side of the swamp.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:38am
  - AitchW
    
    Any religion which imposes such strict impositions on its adherents, which dictates what they wear, what they eat and who may marry whom should be treated with a robust dose of skepticism. They inevitably run up against non believers almost always resulting in bloodshed.
    
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    May 11, 2024 10:33am
  - Burtland
    
    bit like Christmas for the Christians – 4 weeks off
    
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    May 11, 2024 11:13am
    - lifesgood
      
      Don’t talk rot.
      
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      May 11, 2024 12:41pm
    - AitchW
      
      Wow, where do you work that gets 4 weeks off at Christmas? One of the many bloated government departments who nobody notices that they’re all on holiday?
      
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      May 11, 2024 3:40pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  One of my hockey boys would observe Hindu fasts on occasions. I could guarantee that our team would lose that Friday night.
  
  (other Indian boys in the team and opposition teams didn’t seem to be observing a fast).
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:48am
tedbear

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/05/09/waitangi-tribunal-hears-arguments-on-treaty-principles-bill/

I see nothing wrong with any govt member wishing to redefine the Treaty.
Maori have been doing it for years without consultation.
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May 11, 2024 8:46am
- pdm
  
  Especially activist Maori and you could also include a number of non Maori activists as well tb.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:17am
  - jkt
    
    Progressives fighting against capitalism and markets will use any critical theory to support their actions while sucking on the teat of prosperity.
    
    They create critical theory think tanks and entice (coerce through threat of cancellation and other means) capitalists and free marketeers to sponsor these initiatives!
    
    The absurdity!!
    
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    May 11, 2024 9:45am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Progressives’ main target isn’t capitalism or free markets. Their main targets are “white privilege”, “systemic racism”, “misogyny”, “patriarchy”, “heteronormativity”, “transphobia”, “Islamophobia”. Their focus is squarely on identity politics, whereas old-school leftists (like Chris Trotter) attacked capitalism.
      
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      May 11, 2024 1:13pm
      - jkt
        
        That also…
        Whatever comes to mind.
        Marxism corrupts the mind! Religion corrupts the mind.
        
        People often choose to support evil over good. Weird?
        
        Sometimes for financial gain – that is rational right. Often, one can find no rational thought – like supporting a death cult over a pro-life cult.
        
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        May 11, 2024 2:32pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        Some of the biggest misogynists are so-called “progressives”.
        
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        May 12, 2024 7:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Waitangi Tribunal needs to be abolished. NZ is in the middle of a Coup – all started off in 1975. The Treaty they are using is the James Freeman version. It is not the original English version. The Littlewood Draft is.
  
  https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/how_to_rogue_james_freeman_version_of_the_treaty_c
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:52am
- Burtland
  
  two parties signed it – one party controls it
  
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  May 11, 2024 11:15am
- cas
  
  They seem to be in wall to wall hearings. Why doesn’t a decent journalist check on the costs ,fees and expenses? Oh I forgot. There aren’t any decent journalists
  
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  May 11, 2024 11:32am
  - jkt
    
    There is a massive incentive to stretch this out and out and out ……
    
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    May 11, 2024 2:33pm
- julesnzuk
  
  Not “Maori”, activist Maori extremists and leftist Europeans. Especially the latter.
  
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  May 12, 2024 7:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tired of Woke Movies? Binge These Six Unfiltered Offerings Dubbed the Most Offensive Ever Made.
The woke even bitch about Dr Suess!
Revisit some of the “most offensive.”

https://rightsideoffers.com/thepoliticalmovement/tired-of-woke-movies-binge-these-six-unfiltered-offerings-dubbed-the-most-offensive-ever-made/?
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May 11, 2024 8:50am
greybeard

8:53am and the score is Steve Otto 6, Bridgenag 1
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May 11, 2024 8:53am
- CJames
  
  You forgot all the wisdom from the ones still in moderation. They can still downtick.
  
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  May 11, 2024 8:56am
- Drone
  
  Must be a slow day on the North Shore..
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Still in bed man. Nice breakfast, now cruising the net.
    
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    May 11, 2024 10:24am
Southern Raider

Yes public facilities need to ensure they have adequate safety measures in place

But where is the call out against parents who can’t take even basic steps to look after their kids.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mt-albert-aquatic-centre-near-drowning-doctor-who-helped-save-preschoolers-life-raises-serious-safety-concerns/763EZJ6VYZFETBED4ONE37LB7I/

– toddler was swimming while still eating
– toddler was found at bottom of the pool by a stranger
– mother just yelled for help as I assume couldn’t or wouldn’t get in the pool
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May 11, 2024 8:55am
- pdm
  
  It can happen quickly SR.
  
  mrspdm and I were staying at the Outrigger Motel Suva, on transfer there in 1974. We were sitting by the pool and our almost 4 and almost 2 year olds were playing on the steps at the shallow end.
  
  We were no more than 2 yards away at a table at the side of the pool when I saw miss 2 year old, always the adventurous one, step off into the pool and disappear under water. I immediately jumped in and grabbed her and lifted her on to the side – no harm done.
  
  When she stepped off however she was within touching distance of another adult motel occupant who had no idea what was happening until I jumped in and lifted our daughter out. He was most apologetic – but it was not his responsibility.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:27am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Yes it can happen very quickly, but by your own statement you were no more than 2 yards away and you saw your child go into the water. You were supervising your children. Young children have to be watched constantly around water, and as a parent I never assumed that anybody would watch my child more carefully than I would. Great to be at a pool with lifeguards, but I had a lot more at stake than they did, and as a sometimes visitor to Mt Albert pool the lifeguards look pretty complacent.
    
    I actually have saved a child from drowning at a pool, caused by the inattention of the boy’s father. My extended family was at a school pool over the summer break. Of our group 2 dads of pre-schoolers and primary age children were in the pool with their children, while around 6 of us sat in the sun watching, as we either had no children, or our children were older and no longer needed close supervision. (In my case, my daughter was 16 and could swim 2km in a pool, so was reasonably safe in a 1m deep child’s pool.) Anyway, a young boy not part of our group got slightly out of his depth, went under and struggled. I got up, walked about 5m to where he was, reached over, grabbed his arm and pulled him out of the water. I was the only person who got up – nobody else in my group, all sitting in the same spot as me, all looking at at the pool, noticed what was going on with the boy. (Although one childless cousin commented that he had seen the boy in the trouble – didn’t seem to occur to him to get up though.) Several minutes later the boy’s father came out of the changing rooms with another child. That boy should not have been in the water at all, with no parents poolside. They probably thought he was old enough, it was probably his school pool, but very quickly it could have been a disaster for the family. Luckily for the boy I was there, observant enough to realise what was going on, and present enough to actually get up off the grass and do something.
    
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    May 11, 2024 9:48am
    - rouppe
      
      My son was a lifeguard at the local pool.
      
      His duties mainly consisted of
      * stopping kids running (so they don’t crack their own stupid heads)
      * stopping eating in the pool (filthy bastards, making the pool filthy for everyone)
      * cleaning other people’s vomit
      * cleaning literal piles of shit that people leave in the changing room – despite toilets being in the same room.
      
      Actual number of times a life saving action had to be taken while he was on duty in the three years he was there? Zero.
      
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      May 11, 2024 11:00am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The mother was frantically searching for her 4 year old for 10-15 minutes. She should have been keeping a constant eye on her child.
  
  The apparent food in the child’s mouth during CPR efforts could have been caused by regurgitation, which is not unusual after swallowing volumes of water.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:33am
- Ghost
  
  It sounds like the boy got away from the mother, she was looking for him. It happens. This shouldn’t happen, but it sounds like the life guards whose job it is to monitor everyone in and out of the pool were not up to the job.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:35am
CJames

One of the money wasting projects not being stopped is the cycleway Petone to Ngauranga. being built. Only $312M budget but at least it does have iwi involvement. Being built with NZTA funding so like to be from road user charges.
Doesn’t that give you a warm feeling.
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May 11, 2024 9:05am
- imalwaysright
  
  Ironically they have painted a temporary cycle lane at the side of the motorway.
  Seems to work perfectly!
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:10am
  - igm
    
    Have never seen the cycleway being used . . . waste of money.
    
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    May 11, 2024 10:33am
- JimBobJoe
  
  To be fair is a dual purpose. The really purpose is protecting the rail line beside SH2. Line carries thousands daily to from the Hutt and City plus shifts good volumes of freight.
  
  The cycleway is not really needed as the motirway shoulder is fine most of the way for cycling.
  
  The existing path is ok for walking (I have used it yo walk to/ from City) but narrow
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:16am
  - jkt
    
    Climate alarmism has for once been used to improve a critical asset.
    
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    May 11, 2024 9:50am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Where’s the cost-benefit analysis of the railway line protection which, we are told, carries the major part of the cost?
    
    To my recall of the last 40 odd years, the harbour railway line has been washed out only two or three times, and was repaired each time within a few days.
    
    Is that really worth $300m+?
    
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    May 11, 2024 8:13pm
    - Mike
      
      Should I research that for you?
      
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      May 11, 2024 9:02pm
- rouppe
  
  Another one not stopped is the Papakowhai shared path. Millions being spent on widening a perfectly good footpath that was about 1.5m wide to about 3m wide. Means 50 lamp posts have to be moved, and 4 roads have raised beds across their intersection with Papakowhai Road.
  
  However the original plan was to complement that with traffic lights at the intersection with Whitford Brown. This would allow that cycleway to immediately cross WB at a controlled crossing as well as deal with the problem of trying to get out of papakowhai onto SH59 (old SH1) particularly at 7am, 3pm and 6pm.
  
  That part was canceled due to the budget constraints.
  
  Why? Because the cycleway came out of one “bucket”, while the intersection improvements came out of a different one. No actual analysis on which of the two activities would improve the system more, just blind adherence to the rules of “bucket theory”.
  
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  May 11, 2024 11:13am
Chuck Bird

I watched the tattooist of Auschwitz.

I can see why the Jews say never again.
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May 11, 2024 9:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And how easily it begins….
  
  “Calling for a boycott of certain businesses is not a crime, but Halal Kiwi’s anti-‘Zionist’ rhetoric is really a thin veil for antisemitism against Jews in New Zealand. That is unacceptable and they should stop promoting division.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2405/S00073/halal-kiwis-boycott-campaign-threatens-precious-unity.htm
  
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  May 11, 2024 11:02am
  - artemisia
    
    Streisand Effect.
    
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    May 11, 2024 11:10am
  - rouppe
    
    Next will be tagging those businesses with some sort of common mark.
    
    Directly after that is our version of Krystallnacht. But that’ll initially be passed off as ram raids.
    
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    May 11, 2024 11:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This Is What Happened After Several Schools Banned Cellphones.
This is overseas.
“Banning smartphones significantly decreases the health care take-up for psychological symptoms and diseases among girls,”
“However, smartphone bans did not affect boys’ mental health and GPA.”
Why?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/this-is-what-happened-after-several-schools-banned-cellphones-5644536?
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May 11, 2024 9:07am
- Master Mariner
  
  https://wchstv.com/news/nation-world/norways-school-cell-phone-ban-boosts-student-grades-health-model-us-schools-parents-children-development-reading-abilities-mental-health-human-contact-policy
  
  Not Rocket Science is it ?
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The so called ‘helicopter parents’ are a problem. They want the children to be able to ring them if someone comments on their clothes or gives them a funny look.
    They are still treated like babies! How the hell can kids grow up with parents like that?
    
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    May 11, 2024 11:11am
    - Burtland
      
      they dont grow up – the problem is most visible in the media
      
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      May 11, 2024 11:28am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ouch!
        
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        May 11, 2024 12:25pm
Jack5

Non-Maori Polynesians seeming to be seeking special consideration in journalism.

Or is this hoo-ha from the pop world really about the difficulty and sensitivity of reporting illnesses that are typically terminal?

It springs from an interview by Andre Chumko in the Sunday Star Times with entertainer Teremoana Rapley. She told Chumko that she had inoperable brain cancer.

You can see Rapley in an interview about her illness at the link below.

Susana Guttenbeil, general manager of content at Pacific Media Network, has commented that newsrooms “should do thorough checks before running a Pasifika-related story, should there be no Pacific reporters.

“As we’ve seen recently, with Teremoana Rapley, we see these stories that go out that are quite hurtful to people when their mana isn’t restored in the way that they intended the story to be told.”

Guttenbeil seems to suggest that people either should be interviewed by reporters of their own ethnicity, or if that’s not possible , there should be special editing (“thorough checks”).

The Pacific Media Network is a New Zealand radio network owned by the National Pacific Radio Trust and partly funded by the Government.

Teremoanma Rapley in Tagata Pasifika video interview

https://youtu.be/98JrZ0aRC0U?si=rbmf8-vCOJKYxvUX
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May 11, 2024 9:11am
- rouppe
  
  Did Teremoana Rapley feel she had not been treated properly?
  
  Is not really for the pacific media network to decide that
  
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  May 11, 2024 11:22am
Inandout

Parents in US universities who pay around US$80k a year want value for money, not study time wasted on demos. Well finally some unis are being sued and this should see some action.
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May 11, 2024 9:11am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Online censorship. Internal Affairs abandons their proposal.

Free Speech Union win.

https://www.fsu.nz/dia_abandons_proposals_for_online_censorship
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May 11, 2024 9:16am
MCōs

Sunny and 15° in Auckland today
To put it in perspective that’s shirts off weather in Edinburgh I’m told
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May 11, 2024 9:19am
- CJames
  
  Shirts off? In Aberdeen there would be mass fainting in the streets.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:56am
- Greenheart
  
  Dont be silly.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:58am
- Ghost
  
  Dear Aucklanders, please, please keep your shirts on. That is an eyesore no one wants to see……
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:00am
  - MCōs
    
    In certain parts of the super city even loosening one’s tie can cause onlookers to blush
    
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    May 11, 2024 10:49am
    - Bridgenag
      
      rofl well done
      
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      May 11, 2024 12:09pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        whoops ROFL means rolling on floor laughing Otto
        
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        May 11, 2024 12:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sorry reported.
        You have not seen what we get up to on the Shore Bridgenag.
        How about drinking whisky sitting in the spapool, it is raining – sometimes even some hail, and we have umbrella hats on? Neighbours think it is crazy – but they really want to join us…….
        
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        May 11, 2024 4:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sit out on the deck, in the sun – nice. When the breeze changes that southerly SE/S/SW or even west, has a bite.
  
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  May 11, 2024 4:13pm
artemisia

Census 2028 – public consultation now open, until 18 June.

Stats Department is considering using mainly existing data plus surveys like current census docs. Sounds like a plan, and could actually get a higher proportion of the population counted. Not sure about ‘undocumented aliens’ though. Many of them, and they will want to stay well under the radar.

Lots of clued up people on Kiwiblog, more likely to contribute to the consultation than gen pop.

https://stats.govt.nz/consultations/modernising-our-approach-to-the-2028-census/
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May 11, 2024 9:25am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Could we please try and do it for less than $300m?
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:24am
Maggie Pie

This is the reason everyone we know is thanking God NZF is part of the Coalition.

“How hard is it?”

– Winston Peters (Deputy Prime Minister)

https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1788808676981272960
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May 11, 2024 9:25am
- Scott
  
  Agree Maggie. I think the coalition is working well. Luxon does the moderate Chairman of the board speaking while Peters and Seymour tell it like it is.
  
  And let’s not forget that lots is getting done. This week 3 waters replacement going ahead. First budget on the way.
  
  Peters tell it like it is on male and female. I would also say Erica Stanford wants our kids to learn the basics in schools and away with the trans stuff. So lots of good work being done by this govt.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:41am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “So lots of good work being done by this govt.”
    
    In the case of education they have barely made a dent in the mess.
    
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    May 11, 2024 12:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 waters replacement? Previous it was “repealed.”
    Not a fan of that word “repealed.”
    I want 3 waters “GONE” forever!
    
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    May 11, 2024 4:48pm
- Spam
  
  “How hard is it?”
  
  It might be original, might just need viagra.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:42am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Only problem is that his Bill will be soundly defeated in Parliament.
  
  IMO toilets are a sideshow. What needs attention is men being allowed to compete in women’s sports and to get undressed in front of women and girls in changing rooms.
  
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  May 11, 2024 12:16pm
  - Sir Henry Morgan
    
    To be honest I’m far more concerned by the irreversible medicalization of minors. The other issues are comparatively minor.
    
    For what it’s worth, I’m getting tired of seeing women blame the trans mess on ‘misogyny’ when its roots lie in the critical gender theory, queer theory and intersectionality promoted by generations of mainstream feminists, and in feminism’s normalization of endless ‘minority’ demands for special treatment.
    
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    May 11, 2024 2:28pm
    - AitchW
      
      And on university medical centres handing out hormones to change genders with no questions asked. I have personal knowledge of this through a family member ‘transitioning’ from female to male. It was a simple transaction, rock up to the med centre and ask for some testosterone. At 18. Unethical, immoral and repugnant. It broke my heart when a beautiful young woman became a shaven head parody of a man.
      
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      May 11, 2024 4:54pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      Your attempt to link “mainstream feminists” (who from what I’ve read only ever campaigned on the right to work outside the confines of domesticity and to receive equal pay for doing so – hardly controversial stuff) is a massive long bow. Anyone who states that this trans crap is deeply misogynistic is 100% right. It has a detrimental impact on women in a way that it just doesn’t on men and – this is the key bit – women are expected to passively acquiesce to it. Women are expected to be “kind” and “nice” to the trannies by sacrificing their spaces and narratives and indulging their delusional bull***. Hell will freeze over before I acquiesce to it (and the truly kind thing to do would be to provide these people with the psychiatric treatment that they are in dire need of).
      
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      May 12, 2024 7:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A socialist ex-MP reflects on the failures of NZ’s recent social experiments

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-welcome-to-the-current-welfare-mess
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May 11, 2024 9:31am
- pdm
  
  Maggy Michael Bassett articles are always worth reading. Just like he was always good value when interviewed by Leighton Smith back in the day when Leight was the number one Talkback host in the country..
  
  It is a shame Michael Bassett does not get the same radio or TV opportunities these days.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:35am
- artemisia
  
  I don’t disagree with Dr Bassett, but would point out that before the DPB there was the Deserted Wives Benefit. Restricted eligibility, as per the name. A lot of abuse went on behind closed doors.
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZCPR. Unwinding Labour’s Agenda. Dr. Muriel Newman.
“Former US President Ronald Reagan once said, “Freedom is a fragile thing and it’s never more than one generation away from extinction.”
So true.
Victoria University was to have an event to discuss how to have a discussion about ‘Free Speech” is now cancelled.
Universities are not what they used to be.

https://www.nzcpr.com/unwinding-labours-agenda/
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May 11, 2024 9:37am
Ghost

Seems this is causing a bit of panic online, ,some claiming they have received emergency texts in the USA to prepare for black outs……. Looks like a great Aurora last night

It’s gone and done it again.

Colossal sunspot AR3664 has unleashed its most powerful solar flare yet, and Earth is once again in the firing line.

The X3.98 flare peaked in the early hours this morning (May 10) at 2:54 a.m. (0654 GMT) triggering either temporary or complete loss of high frequency (HF) radio signals across Asia, eastern Europe and eastern Africa.

Article
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May 11, 2024 9:46am
- JJ56
  
  See http://auroraalert.otago.ac.nz/solartsunami/
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:54am
- Ghost
  
  Transpower is removing some transmission lines from service across the South Island as a precaution due to a G4 geomagnetic storm that is likely to affect Earth on Saturday morning.
  
  The storm is a result of significant solar activity producing a coronial mass injection.
  
  Article
  
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  May 11, 2024 11:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nice. Send the power to Auckland so we don’t freeze when it is 4 degC
    
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    May 11, 2024 5:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dear Infidels trailer.
America has it’s head in the sand if they think it won’t come to them.
We have enough pro Palestinian shit here in NZ.

https://www.prageru.com/video/trailer-dear-infidels-a-warning-to-america?
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May 11, 2024 9:51am
thirteenstars

Cameron Luxton’s (ACT) bill has been drawn reforming Easter trading hours.

There’s a petition here to encourage others to support the bill:

https://www.act.org.nz/petition_easter_trading

Here’s the bill itself:

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/member/2024/0038/3.0/LMS952564.html
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May 11, 2024 9:56am
- mikenmildagain
  
  So it only applies to Easter. Why doesn’t ACT make a stand for businesses to be allowed to open whenever they want? Perhaps they should select a few libertarians for their next candidate list.
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:18am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Politics is the art of the possible. They’ll have enough trouble getting this past the religious conservatives in National and their strange secular bedfellows on the opposition benches.
    
    But it’s gratifying to see this forum has such principled libertarian types as yourself.
    
    All the best.
    
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    May 11, 2024 11:07am
    - Mike
      
      Yes, I’m a libertarian socialist.
      
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      May 11, 2024 11:13am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Contradiction in terms but no doubt the meetings are entertaining.
        
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        May 11, 2024 12:17pm
      - Mike
        
        Some people seem to think libertarianism must be conservative or even right wing.
        
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        May 11, 2024 1:02pm
      - miltonF
        
        “Some people seem to think libertarianism must be conservative or even right wing.”
        
        Libertarianism is always “right wing” as it requires minimal state involvement in individuals lives. Libertarianism and socialism (leftism) are mutually exclusive.
        
        But you are correct in saying libertarianism isn’t always conservative. On this topic, the conservative stance is that Christian holy days should be national holidays, because that’s how we’ve always done it. Letting people have freedom of choice over these days is both progressive and libertarian. It is also logically consistent. Any other stance is cognitive dissonance.
        
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        May 11, 2024 3:29pm
      - AitchW
        
        Thirteen stars, meetings in phone boxes are rarely that entertaining….
        
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        May 11, 2024 4:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

We do not know how many Maori are in NZ.

The term ‘Māori’ is used to refer to a diverse group of Indigenous peoples, who now comprise approximately 16.5% of Aotearoa’s population by ethnicity, or 19.1% by descent (Stats NZ Citation2019).

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03036758.2022.2154368

It’s good that this Government realises it is time to determine what proportion of our population is Maori.

Alas, article is paywalled…
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/05/10/government-looks-for-a-better-way-to-count-maori/
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- mikenmildagain
  
  Would you prefer to count by descent or declared ethnicity?
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It would depend on the reason you’re collecting the data.
    
    If we accept that Ethnicity is a social construct, then I don’t think that is a good criterion for Health data.
    Use descent….
    
    If we are talking about how folks want to live their lives and be treated, then Ethnicity is probably OK.
    
    If you meant “you” for me personally, then there is no issue… I have direct lines of descent from a very small gene pool of folks of common heritage/ethnicity..
    
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    May 11, 2024 10:37am
    - Mike
      
      You wrote that it is good that the govt realises it is time to determine what percentage of our population is Maori. Forgive me for assuming your approval would indicate support for particular purposes or methods.
      
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      May 11, 2024 10:45am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Personally I would rather have no racial/ethnic classification of citizens, but if we are going to be directing tax-payers’ funds and voting rights to certain groups of our society based on ethnicity/racial categories, then we should standardise our data collection.
        
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        May 11, 2024 11:07am
      - rouppe
        
        “Personally I would rather have no racial/ethnic classification of citizens…”
        
        Exactly. Health, for example should be on need, not ethnicity.
        
        If one’s ethnicity means you are likely to suffer from condition A earlier than another ethnicity, then you present earlier, and get treatment earlier.
        
        If you don’t present for diagnosis and therefore treatment, that’s not a failure of, or proof of racism in, the health system. It’s evidence of failure to take responsibility and accountability for yourself.
        
        By allocating funds based on ethnicity, you waste funds that could be used to treat someone else who does present on time, but doesn’t get treated because there no money for you.
        
        Looking at you, Wellington, where I’ve been waiting 6 months for a CT scan.
        
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        May 11, 2024 11:41am
    - AitchW
      
      If someone can change their gender because they were “assigned” the wrong gender at birth then ethnicity must be equally transferable. If a person can be “gender fluid”, then surely ethnicity fluidity is equally normal.
      
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      May 11, 2024 4:59pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Maybe we could categorise people by important characteristics instead.
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:29am
  - PurplePen
    
    Sourced from elsewhere, but makes a good point.
    ———-
    A Health NZ study captured health outcomes and people’s hair colour finding people with purple hair (PWPH) have poor health. HNZ services targeted PWPH and it showed some success.
    
    Were there other attributes related to PWPH and poor health. HNZ found PWPH are over-represented in the low-income group and non-low-income PWPH had good health; and they found poor health in non-PWPH who also have low income.
    
    This confirmed for HNZ their inability to get good health outcomes for PWPH was not related to their hair colour but in fact related to a high number having low income. Focussing on low income earners instead of just PWPH meant greater success with PWPH and also the wider group of people in the poor health group. PWPH were also no longer unnecessarily stigmatises as a failure group – a borderline hair-ist approach at best.
    
    No-one seems to look beyond attributes other than hair colour when identifying problem groups and solutions for such groups. The result being solutions don’t quite work and government and community resource is wasted.
    
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    May 11, 2024 11:52am
- Mike
  
  You have had this explained for you many times.
  
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  May 11, 2024 5:41pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

After being snubbed by his father and the rest of the family during his recent trip to the UK, Prince Harry returned home to the US, where he and Megz immediately set off on their own ‘royal tour’ of Nigeria.

By all accounts, even that has been a bit of a disaster…. 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/TribesBritannia/status/1789038758861459570
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May 11, 2024 10:31am
- Mike
  
  We should invite them to be king and queen of NZ. Make a nice change from the procession of boring governors-general.
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:48am
- MCōs
  
  You mean by a few spiteful accounts on X going by the one you have referenced
  
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  May 11, 2024 10:56am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’re obviously not a ‘Royal Watcher’ like me Cossie 😀
    Even King Charles hates their guts!
    
    https://mol.im/a/13405767
    
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    May 11, 2024 11:28am
    - MCōs
      
      I couldn’t give a shit what professional back biters say about their relationship
      
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      May 11, 2024 11:58am
    - Ghost
      
      It is sad though Maggie, a father should always have time for his son. Was Mr Hewitt too busy?
      
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      May 11, 2024 12:08pm
      - greybeard
        
        If James Hewitt is indeed Harry’s father, and Diana was a commoner, then Harry has no Royal Windsor blood in him at all and himself is a commoner. which may explain his treatment by the rest of them, and his own behaviour.
        
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        May 11, 2024 12:18pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I understood that a DNA test proved that Hewitt was NOT his father.
        
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        May 11, 2024 1:17pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Harry seems to have the current Windsor family – Patterned baldness gene…..as seen in: current Duke of Ed, King Charles; Duke of Wales.
        
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        May 11, 2024 1:55pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      No, Maggie, he doesn’t “hate their guts”. I suspect is love for MeAgain Markle is sorely diminished but you have no evidence that his love for his son is and I certainly doubt that he “hates his guys”. (Prince William, along with the rest of the British and Commonwealth population, is of course another matter).
      
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      May 12, 2024 7:24pm
- Ghost
  
  Got to admit it, this couple that wanted their privacy sure know how to get it…..
  
  I wonder where Williams will put what’s her name and frost bite Willy for his Coronation
  
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  May 11, 2024 11:34am
  - MCōs
    
    I think the problem a lot of that family has, and the Trumps for that matter, is that none of them is particularly bright. They’re average people who due to circumstance are pushed out to the front of the crowd, in the main. QEII knew her limitations.
    Trump is a superb salesman, but mediocre world leader and politician. His progeny are nothing without him
    
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    May 11, 2024 12:25pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Have you checked Trump’s IQ ? I would suggest it is higher than most on this blog.
      
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      May 11, 2024 1:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Or even on this thread Don.
        
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        May 11, 2024 5:26pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      I bet those that marry in are – the allure of fame and power will attract very smart mates. So I would be on Kate Middleton and Charlies’ shag (can’t recall her name) being smartest in that lot.
      
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      May 11, 2024 3:52pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not particularly bright?
      I am not even a millionaire, but Trump is.
      You could be.
      Yeah yeah yeah his Father left him some money.
      
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      May 11, 2024 5:25pm
marcw

Is it significant that “Dr” Jill seems to have been MIA for the last 4 – 6 weeks? She was often pictured leading Joe on and off transport, and at their Delaware home. Is she being silenced / cancelled as she wants the charade to end?
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May 11, 2024 11:05am
- MCōs
  
  Maybe she’s keeping out of view like Mrs Trump who ain’t standing by her man while Stormy Daniels describes their sexual encounter in some detail
  
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  May 11, 2024 11:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe Melania does know that The Don was always surrounded by great women.
    Bit like being in – oh never mind.
    Many people have had many sexual encounters – how about you MCos? Virgin until you met your wife? I wasn’t.
    The Don and Melania will fight – besides the Election.
    Oh, MCos did you know that Barron is now being “groomed!”
    
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    May 11, 2024 5:34pm
- Inandout
  
  mar, the good doctor may be checking out the Vice President’s husband. The last time I saw Jill was when she walked away from Joe when he stood awkwardly for a moment.
  
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  May 11, 2024 2:49pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Professor Stephen Hoadley, on The Platform, described Biden as “perfectly lucid”!
    
    He said that “media selectivity highlighted little lapses”.
    Hard to believe that Hoadley thinks this way.
    Starts at 6.15
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MuJ-gXDQdzA
    
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    May 11, 2024 3:19pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      At one point he admitted to being a Democrat.
      Knock me down with a feather.
      
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      May 11, 2024 4:00pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder if Hipkins could answer yet.

‘Is There A Difference Between Women And Men?’: Ted Cruz Grills Human Rights Campaign President

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrhYd9mF_tg
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May 11, 2024 11:11am
- PurplePen
  
  About 1500 years ago factions within the catholic church debated or questioned whether women had a soul, and even whether they were human or not. Thankfully we’ve moved on since then.
  
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  May 11, 2024 12:02pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Bullshit.
    
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    May 11, 2024 1:20pm
  - Inandout
    
    PP, have we moved on when you look at how the women are segregated in a mosque, allowed only to observe proceedings through a grille?
    
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    May 11, 2024 2:42pm
    - PurplePen
      
      Good point. Well, western society has moved on then? I’ll admit the islamic religion is still in the dark ages compared to just about any other religion, 2000 years behind. BTW .. in case it matters, I have no affiliation with any religion. If I was to subscribe to one it would be hedonism or buddhism maybe.
      
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      May 11, 2024 4:55pm
thirteenstars

KB running very slow for a couple of days. Page loads and comment submissions take at least 15-20 seconds. Are the mods aware of this?
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May 11, 2024 11:12am
- MCōs
  
  Oh! The humanity
  
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  May 11, 2024 11:48am
- greybeard
  
  Solar flares.
  
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  May 11, 2024 12:19pm
softail 1450

I see those two bastards Putin and Trump are to blame for huge solar flares that are going to cause havoc with our electricity grid over the next few days, maybe we can arrange for whacko Jacko to detour to Moscow and Florida to give them both a stern talking to on his way to the UK where he will take part in an adversarial debate with some of the smartest professors in that country,( OMG who hates our country so much that they arranged this)? I can just imagine it actually , Wee Willie Haka all the way across red square with his taiaha and bashing on the doors of the Kremlin ,I have no doubt that Putin and his ministers will immediately shelter in place and beg forgiveness 😂😂😂😂
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May 11, 2024 11:34am
BeaB

If the minor inconvenience of saving electricity for 2 hours can make savings equal to the usage of the city of Hamilton, surely we can all do this every time there is a likely power emergency. Much cheaper and easier than spending billions on flawed storage lakes or ghastly wind farms.
And have we actually used up all our hydro capacity? If not why not?
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May 11, 2024 12:03pm
- MCōs
  
  “the minor inconvenience of saving electricity for 2 hours can make savings equal to the usage of the city of Hamilton”
  That sort of talk is music to the ears of the Contact, Genesis, Mercury and Meridian who are the power generators and don’t want to built additional plant if they don’t have to.
  
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  May 11, 2024 5:59pm
Benedict Yu

The perils of long term weather forecasts. 🙂

6 months ago.

“Sydneysiders warned to brace for possible water restrictions as rainfall, dam levels take a dive”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-23/nsw-sydney-water-flags-potential-restrictions/103007112

Today

“Sydney set for two more weeks of rain as system lingers over east coast”

https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/sydney-set-for-two-more-weeks-of-rain-as-system-lingers-over-east-coast/news-story/aadc6bccb277599198965b0a57d4471b
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May 11, 2024 12:09pm
- Inandout
  
  BY, my sister was in Sydney for the last week and she said the weather didn’t affect any sightseeing at all. Weather forecasts are like home baking, some cakes turn out well while others are crap.
  
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  May 11, 2024 2:36pm
Ra Henare

For all those KB ideologs that want to flatten Gaza.
Where is your humanity.
You got upset at the report of babies beheaded(turned out to be false)

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/today-theyre-all-dead-the-harrowing-diary-entries-of-a-surgeon-in-gaza/ng6n0gv52
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May 11, 2024 1:32pm
- surfing
  
  So because there were some false claims (by who?) it is ok by you that Hamas raped and murdered kids enjoying a music festival.
  
  While I wish this war would end, Hamas started this in the most atrocious way and Israel are completely justified in what they are doing. Palestinians need to rethink their hatred because it is the children who suffer most.
  
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  May 11, 2024 1:58pm
  - AitchW
    
    And Hamas needs to stop hiding in schools and hospitals. These inhumane zealots will never, ever resile from their stated aim of destroying Israel. Religion trumps morality. Every single time.
    
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    May 11, 2024 5:10pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Cowards is the word to be used.
      “HAMAS ARE COWARDS!”
      
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      May 11, 2024 5:36pm
- Ghost
  
  And yet hamas were putting up photos and videos showing, in the one I saw, a decapitated baby being held up in the crowd around it. Was seriously vile video to see. Not to forget the photos of dead bodies, including children burnt.
  
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  May 11, 2024 2:07pm
- Inandout
  
  Ra, find a video of the son of a Hamas leader and hear what he has to say about that organisation. Multiply Dr Mengele’s experiments on Jewish prisoners by 100% and you will get near what absolute sub humans infest Hamas. Fear not though as Mossad will track down every last one.
  
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  May 11, 2024 2:31pm
Maggie Pie

FALSE ECONOMY?
Don’t know if any one else here has come across this, but what really grinds my gears…..is when I order the 250 Jumbo box of ‘Kleenex Tissues’, everytime I open the perforated hole to get it started, you always end up pulling at least 50 out of the slot in one go just to get them started.

I’m sure they’re designed like that on purpose 🙁
Just saying
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May 11, 2024 1:36pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Some packaging is left poorly designed. Because it has always been like that.
  
  Can you open a box of weetbix so you can reseal it using the little tab?
  
  Can you open a single bandaid by pulling the little red string?
  
  and my favourite… On a roll of clear sellotape, can you locate the end of the tape, or do you throw it out the window?
  
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  May 11, 2024 2:22pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Tin foil.
    The bastards!
    
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    May 11, 2024 3:29pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, we used to buy the most expensive boxes of tissues thinking they would open easily but then discovered Pams were just as good. Sorbent 4 ply are best because thick pulls out cleanly.
  
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  May 11, 2024 2:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Are you not dexterous?
  
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  May 11, 2024 2:32pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I am left handed you know.
    
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    May 11, 2024 3:44pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Sinister.
      
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      May 11, 2024 3:47pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Cack-handed, then.
      
      I think you can qualify for some support then for your different able-ness.
      
      Here’s some of your fellow lefties:
      https://morningpointe.com/wp-content/uploads/August-Famous-and-Infamous-left-handers.pdf
      
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      May 11, 2024 3:55pm
    - AitchW
      
      One day Maggie, lefties will rise up against the rightist oppressors and reclaim what is rightfully (yes I see the irony) ours.
      
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      May 11, 2024 5:13pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        My partner is a leftie – hands. She is waving her left hand at me now just for posting this.
        Never ever know what a leftie is going to do.
        Nothing to do with politics, ok?
        
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        May 11, 2024 5:41pm
      - AitchW
        
        Sorry Steve, reported in error!
        I was going to say that in the general population 10% are left handed. (Right brained if you prefer.)
        When I was at Auckland University in the early 80s we lefties managed to have a question about manual orientation on the application for membership of the students association.
        Upon tallying the answers we established that 15% of students were lefties. Make of that what you will.
        
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        May 11, 2024 5:48pm
    - MCōs
      
      And a left footer
      
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      May 11, 2024 5:44pm
- greybeard
  
  Turn the box 180 degrees ! Simple !
  
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  May 11, 2024 4:52pm
surfing

Why is it that this solar storm has been widely reported overseas for two days now… and the nz media only get interested a few hours ago when trans power put out a press release?
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May 11, 2024 2:01pm
- Ghost
  
  The flare that is causing concern only happened in our night. There were a few smaller ones before that.
  
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  May 11, 2024 2:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Could it be the media are more interested in trashing the coalition Govt than reporting “NEWS!!”
  There could be something serious but Toxic Tova would be on Luxon’s back about something childish.
  
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  May 11, 2024 2:55pm
  - MCōs
    
    I had a quick look at Stuff
    Nothing about trashing the coalition government
    Interesting story about Poi E, which I’d rather read anyway
    
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    May 11, 2024 5:35pm
    - Ghost
      
      Damn, it’s been 40 years since poi e. Still a great song
      
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      May 11, 2024 5:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You looked at “Stuff”
      Good onya, taking one for the team.
      
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      May 11, 2024 5:44pm
      - MCōs
        
        What team would that be?
        
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        May 11, 2024 10:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Tikanga Part 3.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/tikanga-what-it-is-and-why-it-must-be-stopped-from-becoming-law-in-new-zealand-part-3/?
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May 11, 2024 3:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sooner or later NZ is going to wake up – even some on this Blog.
  When some wake up they will be in denial – yeah, the river in Afrika,
  All of what I post here on Kiwiblog is freely available on the internet and through http://www.stopcogovernace.kiwi
  
  Remember, I am just the messenger.
  
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  May 11, 2024 3:39pm
Maggie Pie

“If you put the Labour Government
in charge of the Sahara desert,
in 5 years, there’d be a shortage of sand”

– Leyton Smith podcast.
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May 11, 2024 3:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yeah! And that sand is no good for concrete!
  Not explaining why.
  
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  May 11, 2024 5:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

FFS!!!!!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/court-of-appeal-rejects-sovereign-citizen-appeal-by-auckland-instructor-chris-wiremu-who-hit-students/GLG4LJZM7NHA3NJTIE4U5HAQUQ/

Is this what tikanga is all about?
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May 11, 2024 3:58pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Yes.
  
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  May 11, 2024 4:03pm
- Mike
  
  No.
  
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  May 11, 2024 5:49pm
- surfing
  
  If he’d only whacked those kids a few years later he might have gotten away with his argument.
  
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  May 11, 2024 9:15pm
Maggie Pie

STILL TRENDING on ‘X’

A crowd of 4 excited school girls gather to greet Hazza & Megs during their Royal Tour of Nigeria.
One steps forward to offer MeGain a plate of homemade cakes, to which she responds ….”No thankyou, I’m on a diet”

https://twitter.com/SayidMet/status/1788866302343332348
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May 11, 2024 4:47pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Just fake in all ways…
  
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  May 11, 2024 5:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Exactly!
    Not sure weather it was Charlie or Wills who was
    overhead to say…. “Meghan thinks she’s not black”
    
    LOL!!
    
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    May 11, 2024 5:51pm
JimBobJoe

“Powercuts in a wealthy country like New Zealand don’t make us third world. It’s bog standard neoliberalism which has both impeded upkeep of our infrastructure and blocked meaningful climate transition. Third world is when you can’t afford to fix, maintain and futureproof society. Neoliberalism is when you do that by choice.”

ahhhh…. The Standards resident wild bird, Weka, reckons any power problems are all the fault of the Rights Neoliberalism….

I do wonder why the Left, and especially Greens like Weka, feel the need to dress their ‘tear it all down and build socialisms utopia’ objective in climate alarmism. I guess because the Left know, in their inner selves, that socialism is a failure and too many people know that so subterfuge is the best way to try and gain their utopia
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May 11, 2024 6:03pm
Ghost

Wait, what. No public interest.

A group of Navy recruits caught sharing “extreme” sexual and violent imagery involving animals and children avoided a court martial because it was considered there was no “public interest” in a prosecution.

Yet an agency fighting the sexual exploitation of children says being found with such images could have led to up to 14 years in prison in the civilian system of justice.

Article

The Classification Office viewed the material and by July 2019 provided a formal opinion to NZDF that the content was “objectionable” and illegal to possess and share.

Its official finding said the content was intended to “promote and support” bestiality, “the exploitation of children for sexual purposes”, necrophilia and “acts of extreme violence and extreme cruelty”. The Herald will not detail the material being shared because of its graphic nature.

This is just so wrong. Absolutely pathetic to not charge them
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May 11, 2024 6:26pm
Maggie Pie

Just been enjoying a few Pinots b4 dinner and watching… ‘Botched’
Poor womean was having ‘surplus breast-tissue’ removed from under her armpits
which had formed durng pregnancy.
My partner could harly believe the size of her Areola. They were yuge 🙁

(Duck a la’ orannge tonite. Shot last week and been hung in the garage.)
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May 11, 2024 6:41pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Best you get on with it then Mags, the preparation and reduction of the Bigarade sauce will take a good few hours……
  
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  May 12, 2024 2:57am
Jack5

Send for Jacinda to stamp her foot!

Russia has found huge reserves of oil in Antarctica.

The Telegraph reports:

Reserves totalling 511bn barrels of oil – about 10 times the North Sea’s entire 50-year output – have been reported to Moscow by Russian research ships, according to evidence given to the Commons Environment Audit Committee (EAC) last week.

This discovery comes from a series of surveys by the research vessel Akademik Alexander Karpinsky.

Greenpeace and Extinction Rebellion protesters gave the ship a cold reception when it berthed in South Africa in January.

RosGeo, the state-owned Russian exploration company that operates the ship, has been exploring Russia’s designated part of Antarctica since 1970 for hydrocarbons.

RosGeo’s web site says the the hydrocarbon potential of the designated area is estimated at approximately 70 billion tonnes.
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