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Benedict Yu

This is insane.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350264367/new-karangahape-road-bus-lane-traffic-cam-raking-100000-week-fines

If 7,500 people have been fined for crossing the end of the bus lane to turn left, there is something wrong with the design of the bus lane, the intersection, or the law.

Here is an idea. Create a ‘buffer zone’ so that you can cross the final 10 metres of the bus lane if you are turning left, and if in doing so you do not impede the passage of a bus.
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May 6, 2024 8:01am
- krazykiwi
  
  [Adopts Borat-like smile] Great success!!
  
  This must be the city’s most successful, new revenue generation mechanism.
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:11am
  - pdm
    
    BY.
    One Sunday in about 2010 mrspdm and I drove from London up to Oxford for a look round. When we got into the center of Oxford we were looking for somewhere to park. Looking in the rear view mirror I noticed 3/4 cars behind us so zapped over to the left to let them pass.
    
    It turned out I had pulled into a bus lane, not a bus in sight, and was there for maybe 10/20 seconds. A week later a ticket for 48quid arrived for that misdemeanor.
    
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    May 6, 2024 8:23am
    - jkt
      
      Broken windows …..
      
      Targeting the socially minded as well as the other lot..!
      Rational thinking is lacking, is this the effect of “AI” or just an indication of submission for the sake of expedience.
      
      There should be an easily accessible avenue to complain and gain access for a review. Outcomes and consequences should always be considered in mitigation.
      
      But who has the time and money to face off against these elusive faceless bureaucrats. Sitting for hours waiting to be interviewed by a robot…..
      
      The authorities seem intent on making it hard to challenge for and gain justice. This is will bite us all in the ass.
      
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      May 6, 2024 8:41am
    - MCōs
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      What’s your problem?
      
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      May 6, 2024 8:51am
      - Nukuleka
        
        Were you looking in a mirror when you typed that, MCōs?
        
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        May 6, 2024 8:55am
      - MCōs
        
        Guy drives in a bus only lane, which knowing the UK has plenty of signs saying there’s a fine for driving in this lane and grizzles because he got fined for driving in the bus lane
        Reminds me of the woman who rang the radio and complained because she had been fined four times for exceeding the speed limit of 80kph in the Waterview Tunnel.
        
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        May 6, 2024 9:44am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    Yes, they can use that revenue to employ people to remove more rubbish bins. It’s win-win.
    
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    May 6, 2024 8:46am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The revenue will be a welcome result for the Council finance folk. However Auckland Transport is motivated by zealotry rather than money.
    
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    May 6, 2024 8:58am
- G152
  
  Sounds to be a designed money maker for the Council
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:13am
- cmm
  
  Expect a visit from the Greens Cycle Advocacy Group, formerly known as JAG.
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I don’t think the woke Auckland Transport would fine a cyclist, but who knows?
    The Bus Lane end could be moved back 10 meters or so.
    Another strange thing is a sign “buses may go straight from left lane.” So buses are exempt from the road rules now? It is a left turn only land going by the arrow painted on the road.
    This is typical of AT, setting a trap, Tax by stealth!
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:36am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      So buses are exempt from the road rules now?
      
      It’s hardly unprecedented, on the contrary it’s quite common, for there to be different rules for buses than for other traffic.
      
      This isn’t necessarily a bad thing. If the differences are properly thought through and the rules well-communicated and adhered to all round in practice, the effect can be to speed up bus journeys while minimizing disruption to other traffic.
      
      That doesn’t appear to be happening in this particular case, but that’s not a good reason to conclude that it’s a bad thing in general to have different rules in place for different road users.
      
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      May 6, 2024 11:21am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nope. The road rules are Law.
        Recently I made a huge complaint to AT about buses not obeying the Law.
        A bus pulled out of a stop while I was alongside it. To avoid collision I was forced over the road center line. Lucky there was no oncoming traffic. Normally I give way to a bus if I approach from behind, but here I was adjacent to center of the bus.
        AT are in contact with me, but they are taking their time. The driver was in the wrong. I gave him the finger twice and he just tooted the horn. Fuck him.
        You missed one important thing Dudley. It is a left turn only lane, yet buses are allowed to go straight.
        
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        May 6, 2024 12:31pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Add to that. The sign that says “buses may go straight from left lane” has a red line border, meaning it is the Law. How did AT get away with that? You must follow the direction of the lane, in this case left turn only!
        
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        May 6, 2024 12:38pm
    - mawm
      
      SO – the signs say that users of the bus lane (eg T2 or T3 and cyclists) may go straight. Can you imagine the chaos if cars wanting to turn left and buses/cars/cyclists wanting to go straight all tried to change lanes at the same time? A simpler solution would be to make the left lane at the intersection one that allows all to have both options. There are many intersections where this is allowed and somehow we have all survived them.
      
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      May 6, 2024 1:22pm
- alloytoo
  
  There should be a 50m buffer zone before a left turn designated by broken yellow lines.
  
  That 50m also applies to driveways or other entrances, though obviously won’t sport a broken line.
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:39am
  - Local Miller
    
    50m buffer zone. The idea of indicating the 50m point has been raised with AT and they have refused to apply it. I wonder why? Could it be they know most drivers can’t judge 50m and therefore tend to enter the bus lane too early resulting in more fines? If there were a 50m marker almost everyone would enter after the marker and this source of revenue would dry up.
    Personally I think this is a form of entrapment.
    
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    May 6, 2024 11:15am
  - WorthwhileAucklandInitiative
    
    If traffic is such that all 50 metres of that buffer is already occupied, commuters are in a hopeless position. I either have to break the law and get in behind all the other cars to turn, or I can pass them on the right lane and then try and cut across the left lane to turn left, meaning I sit there blocking all the cars wanting to go straight ahead while those in the left lane pass by. It’s an impossible situation.
    
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    May 6, 2024 12:11pm
- Damocles11
  
  Just another Council rort to boost their $$$$ harvest. They are ants, citizens are the aphids. The main rort is the extortionate rates bill. What a boon to own a big expensive house and have to pay a big expensive rates bill that grows like Topsy every year. I wonder how many people factored in the big expensive Council rates bill when they were buying property in the frenzy of 2020. “It’s a trap!” – Admiral Ackbar
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Sell up & leave Auckland. Let the Council rot.
    
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    May 6, 2024 8:17pm
- WorthwhileAucklandInitiative
  
  Oh snap. Was literally looking at my fine for entering this very bus lane and contemplating requesting a hearing. There is simply no way of complying with the law and driving safety on this stretch of road when turning left. You would be hard pressed to find a more egregious example of Vogon revenue collection than this. The fact that no buses actually turn into Howe St just seals the complete insanity of it all.
  
  These motherfuckers need to be fought and beaten.
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:54am
  - ecco
    
    Agreed there is no signage even warning people what they have to do. Pure revenue gathering. Would be interesting to hear from rental car companies in Auckland as to how many customers get pinged for doing this unwittingly and thus putting a bad taste in the mouth for their whole stay in NZ.
    
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    May 6, 2024 4:27pm
- alex Masterley
  
  There are plenty of these little buslanes scattered around Auckland that catch people out.
  There are two in Newmarket that spring to mind. Especially as i paid for the privelge of driving in one recently.
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:59am
  - ecco
    
    One going up Queen st as well.
    
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    May 6, 2024 4:36pm
- Spam
  
  So there are fines for not being in the correct lane? Do those apply to cyclists not using the cycle lanes?
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:02am
  - wsk12345
    
    It’s not compulsory to use them you know.
    
    When I infrequently ride on the road I avoid them as they are full of e-bikes going too fast and children all over the place. Road is much safer.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:13am
  - RoboRob
    
    Yes. If you are a car driving in the cycle lane there are fines.
    
    With regard to cyclists not using the cycle lanes, the answer is no. Cycle lanes (thankfully) are not compulsory. As a member of the despised cyclist community, I sometimes find cycle lanes more dangerous then the ‘road’.
    
    p.s. Before the knives come out. I am not lycra clad, and primarily use my bike for commuting to work. I dont cut lights and I actively discourage kids (and adults) from biking on the footpath… Its super dangerous.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:18am
    - Paulus
      
      Can motorised Bicycles and Electric Scooters use the so called Cycle lanes – serious question ?
      
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      May 6, 2024 1:50pm
      - RoboRob
        
        Yes for eBikes. I don’t think the law is at all clear re Scooters. I think its un defined. eSchooters seem to be pedestrians, cyclists and cars depending on the scooter type and the ‘driver’.
        
        I will add that eBikes are awesome but in my experience have added a whole lot of older cyclists who haven’t cycled for 50+ years. For lack of a better description most of these people have ‘have no idea’. These people are a hazard. I’m not talking about all eBike riders just the ones that have driven cars for 60+ years and have no idea about their surroundings or basic etiquette.
        
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        May 6, 2024 2:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cyclists use whatever lane they please. Rules don’t apply.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:37am
    - mawm
      
      SO – the rules are in the Road Code. Riding on the road is not prohibited, just as riding 2 abreast is lawful and even “taking the lane” (ie riding in the middle of a lane when a cyclist determines it necessary for his/her safety) and “filtering” between cars are legal.
      
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      May 6, 2024 1:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes the rules are in the Road Code.
        Cyclists don’t give a shit about the Road Code – we not all of course.
        Special breed of arrogant shits.
        
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        May 6, 2024 3:27pm
  - Omni Consumer Products
    
    Does this apply to motorists parking in the cycle lanes?
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:52am
- RoboRob
  
  ‘Here is an idea. Create a ‘buffer zone’ so that you can cross the final 10 metres of the bus lane if you are turning left, and if in doing so you do not impede the passage of a bus.’
  
  What you mean like the actual law…..
  
  When can you drive in a bus lane?
  ‘when’ you are making a left turn to enter a driveway or side street, in which case you can drive in the bus lane for up to 50 metres
  
  I cant / wont read the stuff ‘article’ (becuse of my I dont read stuff policy) but I am guessing these people are driving in the bus lane for quite some time, 50m is quite a buffer.
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The 50 meters is correct. It is in the “Driving Tests.”
    Based on that, AT owe a lot of money in returns. Ministry of Transport now have a job to do by sorting out the money grabbing Auckland Transport.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:48am
    - RoboRob
      
      I am stunned none of these 7,500 fined individuals knew the law. I thought it was well known you could drive through a bus lane when turning left. If you are driving more then 50m in a bus lane your really taking the piss though.
      
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      May 6, 2024 11:17am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        But motorists are being fined. $150 a pop I think.
        
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        May 6, 2024 12:40pm
  - Local Miller
    
    Actually 50m is not a big buffer, and as I said above, most people can’t estimate 50m. Most cars are between 3m (small) and 5m (large) long. Lets take the average at 4m, plus roughly 1m between cars when stationary, 2m+ when moving. The 50m is between 8 and 10 cars. Not a lot when you’re planning to turn left and there’s a lot of traffic going straight, AND the turn left and go straight lights are on different phases. Cars going straight are being held up by cares wanting to turn left who can’t get into the left lane in that last 50m, and cares wanting to turn left are being held up by cars going straight but waiting for the green light.
    It’s an abortion, as are a lot of the traffic lights in Auckland. Things like combined Left Turn/Go Straight lanes alongside a go straight lane, where the Left Turn signal is out of phase with the go straight signal resulting in left turning traffic holding up traffic going straight. If you don’t know about the phase signal and drive according to “code”, i.e. in the left lane you get held up. Those that know about the problem all drive in the right lane which results in massive queues and half the number of cars making it through the lights on each phase.
    If you want an example, just look at the Onewa Rd/Lake Rd traffic lights, traveling down Onewa Rd towards town.
    
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    May 6, 2024 11:34am
- rouppe
  
  I think the buffer zone is probably that sort of length anyway.
  
  But what happens is:
  1. Person is stuck in the lane 100 m out.
  2. They can see that there are no or few cars in the left turning lane.
  3. They move up, because that means:
  3a. They aren’t stuck in a straight-ahead lane for 3 or 4 or 5 light phases when all they want to do is turn left.
  3b. The straight ahead traffic lane is shorter for other people
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:09am
  - Ehlana
    
    Exactly. And then you get pinged, even though you didn’t affect any buses.
    
    It’s almost as if the aim is to frustrate motorists and hold people up unnecessarily.
    
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    May 6, 2024 11:52am
- cas
  
  $150 fine if you get into the left lane to go to Tauranga Airport a bit early on Hewletts Road, which I did once. It’s a bus lane but also the turnoff to the aiport!!
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:53am
- NothingLeft
  
  Just the unaccountable parasitical politicking public service pursuing their usual misanthropic agendas.
  
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  May 6, 2024 11:02am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Gouge the public and make private car driving horrible.
  
  Well done Auckland Transport. Two pressure points to “nudge” people toward the correct choice.
  
  There’s a lot of that going on nowadays.
  
  Oh, and this is happening under the watch of a moderate right-wing Mayor.
  
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  May 6, 2024 11:52am
- I remember when
  
  Was the original sign even a ‘legal’ traffic sign?
  
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  May 6, 2024 1:49pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  That’s Karangahape road for you. However, usually the person being screwed is the one receiving the money….
  
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  May 6, 2024 2:52pm
Chuck Bird

Just 3 days ago.

2024 Annual GWPF Lecture – Judith Curry – Climate Uncertainty and Risk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqsZV8i3O1E
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May 6, 2024 8:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Judith Curry is certainly making herself known. I posted one of her speeches on the same subject a few days ago. She is exposing the fraudsters and the brainwashed public!
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:52am
Anthony Melchett

Reason number 967 why cultural reports and sentencing discounts don’t work:

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/uru-taha-gang-boss-anthony-heke-jailed-for-bashing-over-stolen-money-claim/

This prick was still on supervision after his last prison sentence. If they hadn’t discounted it by 40% he would still be there.

Listen to the absolute soft cock judge from last time when we shot up a house and someone’s arm:

“The truth would reveal itself when Heke faced the Parole Board in years to come and his behaviour while in jail would come under the spotlight, Judge Greig said.

Both men received 40 per cent discounts from the starting point of their sentences, for factors including their guilty pleas, youth and cultural report findings.

Judge Greig wished the men well in their sentences, with additional encouragement to Heke.

“I hope it goes well, and that you are reunited with your child and become the father and man you want to be as soon as possible. Kia kaha,” he told Heke.”

They always say they want to change for their kids but it’s just a front to get acresuced sentence.

Do judges not look at previous offenced because they are looking silly now all falling for the same story each time as if the last time never happened?

Heke huh. Another whitey right?
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May 6, 2024 8:09am
G152

hamas now wants a cease fire.
Israel has it right with their desire for revenge and in spite of the propoganda from a soon to shut out aljazeera.
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May 6, 2024 8:17am
- cmm
  
  “Israel has it right with their desire for revenge”
  
  It is not a desire for rvenge. Revenge is a pointless internal emotion.
  
  Rather it is an effort to cause significant damage to Hamas so that their ability to cause mayhem in Israel is severely diminished for many years. This is a practical goal, not driven by emotion.
  
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  May 6, 2024 10:16am
- Ra Henare
  
  I think you might find that Hamas AGREED to an Israelie proposal.
  BOTH sides want a ceasefire but the associated conditions are the stumbling blocks.
  You have 2 hard headed leaders who want A VICTORY.
  
  Unfortunately for those who will die, neither will give in.
  
  The straw man that Israel will defeat Hamas is just that. Even Israeli based military analyst is saying. (According to The Guardian)
  
  “The fighting is tough. Even in places [such as] Beit Lahia there are still pockets of fighting. I don’t believe we will ever be at the point of zero terrorists and zero weapons in Gaza,” he said.
  
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  May 6, 2024 5:52pm
Scooter

At least this time they spared us the “isolated incident” buzz phrase, it’s now a critical incident. Also good to see the gun ban has worked, thanks Jacinda!

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/auckland-crime-person-shot-dead-on-ponsonby-rd/
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May 6, 2024 8:19am
- imalwaysright
  
  Noted the cops were out in force. At least half a dozen fully armed with pistols and rifles standing around for hours on end for no apparent reason. Looked like the usual photo op.
  
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  May 6, 2024 10:10am
  - cmm
    
    It’s a “show of force” to make the people feel the cops are still at the top of the power pyramid.
    
    Remember that downtown Auckland has a very large % of people who grew up outside of NZ. People who will feel safer when the cops are armed.
    
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    May 6, 2024 10:35am
    - Cassandra
      
      Being on the beat after the event doesn’t to me to be all that useful.
      
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      May 6, 2024 11:13am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, “show of force” is very pointless, but it gives them the feeling they did something…, anything…
        
        For people who grew up in foreign countries where the cops are armed, having armed cops walk around after an incident makes them feel safer.
        
        It is a bit useless though. I’d rather have the cops on the beat before these events.
        
        You’d think they would have beat cops for more problematic areas (eg. Queen St at night + equivalents elsewhere). Maybe they do. I feel no compulsion to find out.
        
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        May 6, 2024 12:26pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        There should be more plain clothes cops in malls, hospitals etc.
        After the first few arrests the rest of the bad guys will think twice.
        
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        May 6, 2024 1:25pm
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        Please explain to me how the police are going to be there BEFORE the crime occurs? Is there a psychic division of NZ Police that can accurately predict when and where a crime will be committed and dispatch police there before the crime commences?
        
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        May 6, 2024 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

We almost couldn’t believe our ears this morning.
Actually hearing the Hosk get stuck into dudge Greg Ihaka during ZB breakfast….. critisizing the pathetic discounts and sentencing handed down to NP gang boss Anthony Heke, who had led a brutal group bashing.

Read it and weep…..

https://tinyurl.com/mwhkmbu4

Hi time the MSM spoke out and started holding the judiciary to account in the public interest.
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May 6, 2024 8:22am
- Jethrod
  
  Cuzzy?
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:34am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Am I misreading the article? It says he was sentenced to 5 years 3 months in prison.
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:45am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    Straight after his last stint of 4 years for shooting someone with a 40% discount for being Maori.
    
    These pieces of shit don’t learn and have no place in society.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:07am
  - cmm
    
    5 years in the taxpayer funded gang pad for that? He’ll be out in under 2.
    
    Should be more.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, but he was give 2 years off for pleading guilty, and 1 year off because he was hood to his kid, plus he will only do half the time
    
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    May 6, 2024 1:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This stating point of x years is rubbish. If someone breaks the law the do the sentence.
  It should not be in any way variable. Bang! In the slammer, see you in x years!
  
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  May 6, 2024 10:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Are the crazy NZ Greens heading to this?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/moment-green-party-councillor-yells-allahu-akbar-after-being-elected/ar-BB1lQOc8?

Slowly the cancer spreads.
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May 6, 2024 8:25am
- slightlyrighty
  
  How it that different from a christian Politician thanking God when they get elected?
  
  As far as I know there are no deities on the electoral rolls…
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump is a Christian and he will be elected.
    I just find that Councillor shouting out “Allahu Akbar” is closely linked to terrorism.
    
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    May 6, 2024 10:08am
    - NothingLeft
      
      I highly doubt he’s really Christian. Just mouthing the words like all US politicians have to.
      
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      May 6, 2024 11:55am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Trump mentions his God quite a lot. So do his family.
        
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        May 6, 2024 12:43pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        He calls out to God when he is enjoying his time with porn stars I bet.
        C’mon Steve, don’t be so niave. He’s a good Christian boy….suuure. Suuuuure.
        
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        May 6, 2024 3:41pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yes there’s a much wider context to this particularly nasty character.
      
      Including his other very public and disturbing comments about Israel , colonialism etc
      
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      May 6, 2024 1:08pm
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Allahu Akbar translates to ‘God is Great’. Context if everything.
      
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      May 6, 2024 2:57pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        I have read that ‘Allah is greater’ is a more correct translation, hence a battle cry from their earliest times.
        Good for when you are slicing someone’s neck too….
        
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        May 6, 2024 3:42pm
  - Notsofast
    
    The difference is the specific aim for world domination. The danger for women in particular leaving the religion.
    There are many uniquely evil features in Islam not occurring in other religions.
    
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    May 6, 2024 10:22am
  - cmm
    
    “How it that different from a christian Politician thanking God when they get elected?”
    
    He’s in a Christian country. Yes, a Christian country. UK is Christian until the head of the country is no longer a head of a church.
    
    The “Allah uakbar” (or however you want to say it) phrase is closely linked tied Muslim terror through the world.
    
    This is not an appropriate utterance in a country actively fighting islamic terrorists on the world stage.
    
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    May 6, 2024 12:31pm
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/09/king-charles-to-be-defender-of-the-faith-but-also-a-defender-of-faiths.
      
      The Royal Navy have Muslim chaplains.
      
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      May 6, 2024 3:02pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      The title ‘Defender of the Faith’ was conferred on Henry VIII by the Pope of the time due to his vigorous defence of Catholic values against Luther. Henry moved on, ecclesiastically speaking, but the title was retained by him & his successors.
      
      Ironic, really.
      
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      May 6, 2024 8:29pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, gays everywhere should be very afraid of this trend, and especially our Green gay MPs who happily wear the tea towels in the House.
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:42am
  - igm
    
    Maybe they have concealed wings so they can fly.
    The wankers will need them!
    
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    May 6, 2024 10:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think this episode is more a reflection of the astonishing numbers of Muslim immigrants in the UK.
  
  AFAIK none of the Green MPs in New Zealand are Muslims. Muslims would run up against the Green focus on gay, and especially trans rights and ideology.
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:49am
  - Tarquin North
    
    They had Efesso Collins and I don’t think he was a gay or trans supporter.
    
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    May 6, 2024 8:59am
    - john1234
      
      EC had to recant and keep his mouth shut on the subject.
      
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      May 6, 2024 9:50am
  - MCōs
    
    That’s what happens when you colonize Muslim countries
    Most of the Muslim immigrants are from Pakistan, Bangladesh
    There’s also a lot of other people from commonwealth countries although not in the same quantities
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:05am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      No MCos it’s what happens when you let in millions of unskilled migrants from 3 world countries with cultural values circa the Middle Ages a religion that has never undergone a reformation and believes itself to be the final and unarguable word of god and mixing with infidels is sinful. Your argument doesn’t hold water as Denmark and Sweden never had overseas empires whilst Germany never had overseas possessions in the Middle East or indeed any Islamic countries. The “ it’s just push back “ line is I’m afraid just a cover for those that are guilty of allowing the situation now that it is so obviously a disaster.
      
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      May 6, 2024 9:40am
      - MCōs
        
        Germany had it’s own issues with religious minorities or so their leaders convinced the population
        Not that a lot of the population needed much convincing except at least early on the Catholics
        
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        May 6, 2024 11:27am
      - Paulus
        
        Are the women of Muslim men allowed to be a Muslim according to the Koran, or are they just there to breed to take e over countries and the world eventually.?
        
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        May 6, 2024 1:54pm
    - kowtow
      
      No , that’s what happens when you have a welfare state .
      
      Who did the Swedes or Danes “colonise” .
      
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      May 6, 2024 11:12am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Er, Britain? France, Russia, Sicily…. etc,
        
        The Swedes and Danes had quite a thing for colonising, although it was a bit ago now.
        
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        May 6, 2024 1:27pm
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    Only 4 million out of 66…
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:07am
  - WorthwhileAucklandInitiative
    
    While they approach it from opposite directions, the ultimate goal of both the Left and Islam is the destruction of the image of God in man. This is what unites them at the expense of other concerns. It’s how Queers for Palestine is possible. They hate Western Christendom far more than they hate each other.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:15am
  - Phronesis
    
    You would have thought so BY but curiously Islam is right into the trans agenda. In Iran if two blokes are caught together their options are either death or one of them confirms that they are in fact a woman. The surgery is even State funded.
    
    https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/04/04/why-iran-is-a-hub-for-sex-reassignment-surgery
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:39am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yeah I’d heard that. Not sure if Iran is an outlier. 😅
      
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      May 6, 2024 10:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As I said above, ‘slowly the cancer spreads.’
    
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    May 6, 2024 10:10am
- Maggie Pie
  
  A bestie asks….
  
  If beards are a sign of wisdom, does that make Goats prophets?
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:14am
  - bjools
    
    Only barbers make the profits.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:28am
Chuck Bird

I bet Luxon, the Minister of Climate Change or the Associate Minster will not look at this. Vote Act.

NZ agriculture has already reached “net zero”: leading climate scientist contends in climate bombshell

https://centrist.co.nz/nz-agriculture-has-already-reached-net-zero-leading-climate-scientist-contends-in-climate-bombshell/?utm_source=mailchimp-email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter-5-may-24&_kx=WvJcZVZ73RE77i1_1Xr-iCrp4a_nKJnLleNlXH9RwIY.VYfxNg
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May 6, 2024 8:37am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Well this is correct… 👏
  
  “Climate researcher David Frame suggests that drastic reductions in meat and dairy consumption would have a negligible effect on global warming.”
  
  As for the methane calculation methodology, it is beyond my expertise, and I confess that I have not devoted the time to becoming up to speed.
  
  What I can say is that New Zealand has committed to emissions reductions using the current UNFCCC methodology for calculating methane emissions. Of course that can be changed if the science supports a change.
  
  IIRC the current methodology required about 10 years of negotiation. 😅 Also guess which nation was instrumental in leading the negotiations that led to the current methodology? 😳
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:56am
  - cmm
    
    “IIRC the current methodology required about 10 years of negotiation”
    
    So clearly driven by activists and not scientists them.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:01am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I know that New Zealand did send scientists.
      
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      May 6, 2024 9:46am
      - cmm
        
        For ten years?
        
        All those plane trips to reduce CO2. Fucking for virginity.
        
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        May 6, 2024 10:32am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The problem is that nothing is agreed until everyone agrees. Every delegation from every country needs to agree to every aspect of the Climate Change rules. If one country disagrees it does not happen.
        
        If New Zealand wanted to change the rules around calculating methane, the negotiations would almost certainly take several years.
        
        I once participated in 12 hours of negotiations over the wording of one sentence.
        
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        May 6, 2024 10:39am
  - Matt Long
    
    “Also guess which nation was instrumental in leading the negotiations that led to the current methodology? ”
    🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The process is circular, similar to the way the water cycle works.
    Burning coal and fossil fuels (petrol/diesel) is also circular. Just using stored energy.
    The coal will be there in millions of years because the process is circular.
    That should get a bit if thinking going.
    
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    May 6, 2024 10:28am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “The coal will be there in millions of years because the process is circular.”
      
      Im not sure. I thought all the world’s coal was produced over a specific 60 million year time period?
      
      https://ucmp.berkeley.edu/carboniferous/carboniferous.php#:~:text=The%20Carboniferous%20Period%20is%20famous,during%20the%20late%20Paleozoic%20Era.
      
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      May 6, 2024 10:46am
      - Random T Person
        
        I’ve often thought that our new oily resource may well be the landfills we’re creating now. Pressure, + tons of weird goop, must eventually result in some sort of disgusting slimy mess with potential.
        
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        May 6, 2024 11:04am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Out of interest to some on why the Hysteria over “Fossil Fuels”.
        
        The term fossil fuels as explained by Colonel Prouty.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSff0pwc1Xc
        
        Side note, as you stated. Carboniferous period is one of the least known on how hydrocarbons actually formed.
        
        In addition, Numerous Stars / Planets have now been proven to have Methane ( Fossil Fuel / Gas).
        
        So a logical conclusion would be too study Dinosaurs from other planets that formed methane//
        
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        May 6, 2024 11:28am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I was thinking along the lines of landfills. US, China, and Russia have some huge landfills. Meaning square miles of fills.
        
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        May 6, 2024 11:40am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Yep, lignite from lignin, which is the super-difficult to digest backbone of wood. When it evolved it took 10’s of millions of years for anything that could digest and break it down to evolve. During that period CO2 levels in atmosphere plummeted from ~10x current to levels similar to those seen today, and O2 levels spiked to crazy high levels that allowed huge insects like 70cm wingspan dragonflies to evolve.
        
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        May 6, 2024 12:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        MM,
        The hysteria over fossil fuels is the same hysteria when you mention “NUCLEAR” in front of the Green nutbars. They all start rolling around on the floor making stupid noises and having anxiety attacks. 🙂
        
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        May 6, 2024 12:48pm
- Damocles11
  
  NZ has 9 million productive dairy cows and we are hand-wringing and angsting over ways to cut their methane emissions so we can ‘save the planet’. India has approx 7 million stray ‘religious’ cows that produce nothing except excrement and emissions; they wander the countryside aimlessly. India’s total cattle inventory amounts to about 308 million.
  New Zealand is a land of ill-informed, illogical idiots and fools. Even the purportedly ‘right wing’ MP’s that get to Parliament are in the main woke corporate types who for some reason are unable to speak basic truths. We probably need a genuine farmer party or a politician with immense personal courage who is able to tell the truth. China will burn 4 Billion tonnes of coal this year yet our politicians collectively wet their pants over the thought of us digging up a little bit of our own. The biggest problem in New Zealand is the absurd idea that ‘the whole world is watching us’. The big nations don’t give a toss what NZ does domestically; the idea that the likes of China and India will curb their behaviour one iota because NZ did something is just laughable.
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:03am
  - Martonman
    
    I think the number of dairy cows is 4.7m
    
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    May 6, 2024 10:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think the 9 million will include the dry stock.(steers)
      
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      May 6, 2024 10:30am
    - Martonman
      
      Total dairy cow numbers in New Zealand have continued their downward trend, falling 3.5% to 4.67 million in the 2022-23 season.
      
      However, milk production remained relatively stable with 20.7 billion litres of milk containing 1.87bn L of milk solids processed by dairy companies, the annual NZ Dairy Statistics report released by DairyNZ and LIC showed.
      
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      May 6, 2024 1:19pm
    - GJM
      
      Hot off the stats department release today
      Key facts for this release
      At 30 June 2023, the number of:
      • beef cattle was 3.7 million, down 4 percent from 2022
      • sheep was 24.4 million, down 3 percent from 2022
      • dairy cattle was 5.9 million, down 1 percent from 2022
      • deer was 742,000, down 7 percent from 2022.
      During the year ended 30 June 2023, the area of:
      • wheat harvested was 40,500 hectares, a decrease of 6 percent from 2022
      • barley harvested was 50,100 hectares, an increase of 4 percent from 2022.
      For the full release see: Agricultural production statistics: Year to June 2023 (final)
      
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      May 6, 2024 6:02pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Around 6 million diary and 4 million beef.
    https://www.stats.govt.nz/indicators/livestock-numbers/
    
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    May 6, 2024 11:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, I will buy that.
      
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      May 6, 2024 11:47am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Pretty sure, But did not James Shaw miss COP 26 methane Talk ( What he went for ) in Glasgow.?
    
    Maybe got a Flat tyre, Did not plug in his E scooter ??
    
    Regardless, He is a Wolf in a Sheep clothing.
    
    COP 28 in UAE should of woken the majority up too the scam it is. Bring on COP 29 in Azibijan to complete the circus.
    
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    May 6, 2024 11:38am
  - PurplePen
    
    I think some of it has to do with other countries allowing themselves to trade with us. If we don’t tow the line about carbon etc, then they won’t play with us or they’ll ask for concessions. Not sure that would be the case with China, but certainly the EU.
    
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    May 6, 2024 12:50pm
    - CJames
      
      China and India (and USSR) do a lot more trade with EU than we do.
      
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      May 6, 2024 2:48pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        USSR? Do you mean former Soviet states?
        
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        May 6, 2024 6:21pm
- Phronesis
  
  Where do people think the carbon is coming from that agriculture is meant to be releasing? A few tanks of diesel in the tractor and some petrol in the bikes? To produce tonnes of meat and thousands of tonnes of new biomass. The whole premise that agriculture could release carbon was stupid from the outset.
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The do nothing university students have to do something. Why not start a protest movement about something?
    In reality they can’t even start a fucking lawnmower.
    
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    May 6, 2024 10:33am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Especially a Push one. //
      
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      May 6, 2024 1:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Starting them means getting your lazy arse out of bed!
        No sarc, what you say is true.
        
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        May 6, 2024 3:31pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is not about carbon dioxide from farms. It is methane and nitrous oxide.
    
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    May 6, 2024 10:49am
    - Phronesis
      
      The irony is that methane is gods gift to supporters of global warming. In theory it should be having this massive effect on raising temperatures but then quietly breakdown back into CO2. It’s a problem that solves itself but in the interim should be amplifying the effects of global warming, yet it’s still marginal whether there is any measurable effect. They should actually want more methane not less.
      
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      May 6, 2024 11:19am
  - miltonF
    
    The biggest carbon input would be synthetic fertilisers produced from natural gas. However…
    The addition of fertilisers improves the growth of plants and increases the amount of CO2 they absorb. So it probably ends up close to carbon neutral.
    
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    May 6, 2024 3:27pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Despite ‘the science’ being settled, I gather that there has been an adjustment in the alleged impact that methane has on the climate – down by 75% or so.
  In that case, by doing absolutely nothing, the alleged impact of our agriculture on the climate has just reduced by far more than we could achieve by crippling that industry.
  Who knows, if we do absolutely nothing for a few more years, ‘the science’ may finally realise (as this study suggests) that agriculture doesn’t impact the climate in any significant way at all (as anybody with any common sense already knows intuitively).
  
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  May 6, 2024 10:20am
  - Cassandra
    
    Talk a lot and do as little as possible is the best climate policy.
    
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    May 6, 2024 11:20am
    - PurplePen
      
      unfortunately that talk a lot translates into a sickening consultancy bill that we’re all paying for.
      
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      May 6, 2024 12:52pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    I don’t see how that suggest that the idea that agriculture cannot change the climate is either intuitive or correct.
    We have historical records (in China for example) of human activity causing deforestation and reforestation. Both of those affected the local climate, and as the global climate is a collection of local climates it must have therefore affected the global climate
    The sticking point here seems to be the word “significant”, who gets to decide that?
    
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    May 6, 2024 6:33pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      I guess I needed to be clearer that I was on about emissions.
      I guess that if a country is going to strip the land bare, or dam the Yangtzee or something like that, then yeas, that might have an impact that you could describe as significant (regionally, at least).
      
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      May 6, 2024 8:03pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The government already know sheep snd beef farmers are getting yo carbon neutral, they want that fact in place before any bloody emission pricing, do carbon neutral, zero charges.
  
  We have a credit carbon neutral wool coming into work these days
  
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  May 6, 2024 1:14pm
Maggie Pie

More fallout from the Golriz / Scotties shoplifting incident?

Not that you could blame them…..

https://twitter.com/kiwiwayne2/status/1786931468578795832
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May 6, 2024 8:39am
- jkt
  
  “Greens object to spending money.”
  
  In solidarity with victims of high prices. Noble protest!
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ban them from everything. They are just pests.
  
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  May 6, 2024 10:35am
cmm

Over the last 7 years the IIT has put together something that is no more than an electric go-cart running on a very rickety rail system. It is being hailed as a break through in transportation systems and hyped up with Hyperloop talk.

This is the tyranny of low expectations – clapping because it was achieved by “mere” Indians.

FFS people, focus on making practical stuff the country needs, not trying to live some sci-fi dreams.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/ambitious-hyperloop-transportation-tech-project-in-the-works-at-iit-madras/articleshow/100984425.cms
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May 6, 2024 8:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden buying votes.
Student loans and illegals.

Johnson claimed: ‘These NGOs – we have evidence – they are giving a slip of paper to migrants before they get to America [saying], ‘When you get to the US, vote for Joe Biden.’
Democrats seem to think that the person who illegally crossed the border is now in the United States, so they should be able to vote in the United States.

Biden even wants Palestinian refugees.
There’s a reason that the Arab nations don’t accept Palestinian refugees.’ They teach the children.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/senator-reveals-two-ways-he-claims-biden-is-buying-votes-for-2024/ar-BB1lRzaZ?
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- jkt
  
  Claims by senator.
  Impeccable source.
  
  It is called electioneering. How do they deal with those who cannot read?
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They simply fill in the Ballot paper for them.
    We are talking crooked cheating Democrats here.
    
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    May 6, 2024 10:39am
- cmm
  
  “Democrats seem to think that the person who illegally crossed the border is now in the United States, so they should be able to vote in the United States.”
  
  Perhaps they should not, but they can vote. There is nothing stopping them from doing so.
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:00am
  - CJames
    
    I thought that according to both Federal and State constitutions, only citizens can vote there.
    They may well go to a polling booth or get a voting form, but I thought without being on the roll, your vote was invalid. That is why Republicans were pushing for rolls to be cleaned up to get rid of long dead and moved away people that were on them.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:18am
    - cmm
      
      It seems that you confuse “can” and “may”.
      
      They may not vote. It is illegal to do so.
      
      But the law is not enforced, and in many areas, violation of the law is even encouraged. Therefore they can vote.
      
      https://testbook.com/key-differences/difference-between-can-and-may
      
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      May 6, 2024 9:41am
      - Phronesis
        
        It ultimately doesn’t matter if they vote as they are included in the census anyway. The census results are used to determine representative numbers in the House. So more immigrants in a democrat controlled area, more democrat congressmen.
        
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        May 6, 2024 9:54am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Phronesis,
        That is exactly what the swamp wants.
        
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        May 6, 2024 10:45am
    - RoboRob
      
      You are right. Thats also why there is a push to tighing voter ID requirements. The fear of Republicans and perhaps the hope of Democrats is that in 10years or so there will be another mass citizenship for illegals action. Then the last 10+ years worth of illegals will suddenly become Democrat voting Americans.
      
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      May 6, 2024 9:41am
  - Jethrod
    
    Unfortunately that seems to be the same in New Zealand.
    
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    May 6, 2024 11:06am
Ipanema69

Welcome to the Green Party MP Compaints Hotline. Please listen carefully to the following list of options.

Press 1 if calling to report one of our MPs rorting the benefit system.

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- Master Mariner
  
  That’s after waiting 20 min only too be told that all operators are extremely busy and we will call you back.
  
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  May 6, 2024 11:43am
  - Flossie
    
    Same as trying to call MSD, only they don’t offer to call you back, and do not give you the option to wait the required “waiting time of 62 minutes”… just cut you off.
    
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    May 6, 2024 12:20pm
oldpark

Anti-Israel protesters who have descended on college campuses are reportedly getting funding from several big-name Democratic donors, according to a report, that have backed President Biden’s re-election efforts. Latest news report on show us the money as reported in USA NEWS PAPERS .

Democratic donors such as George Soros, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, David Rockefeller Jr., who sits on the board of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, and Susan and Nick Pritzker, who own the Hyatt Hotel corporation, have funded pro-Palestinian efforts to protest the Israel-Hamas war, Politico reported.

Jewish Voice for Peace and IfNotNow are the main organizations behind the anti-Israel protests at Columbia University, as well as other campuses, according to the outlet. They are backed by the Tides Foundation, which receives a substantial amount of funding from Soros, as well as the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, and distributes money to left-wing causes.

The Rockefeller Fund donated $300,000 to the Tides Foundation in 2022, according to Politico. The Tides Foundation has given $500,000 to Jewish Voice for Peace, a far-left, anti-Zionist organization, who blamed the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel and the U.S., rather than Hamas.

Columbia protests, Bill Gates and George Soros
Major Democratic donors such as Bill Gates and George Soros have been funding the anti-Israel protests, according to Politico.

ANTI-ISRAEL AGITATORS SHUT DOWN TRAFFIC, DISRUPT CITIES ALL ACROSS US IN DEMAND FOR GAZA CEASEFIRE

The Politico report, headlined, “Pro-Palestianian protesters are backed by a surprising source: Biden’s biggest donors,” was panned online Sunday for finally acknowledging what others had reported months ago.

“This is actually the least “surprising” thing I have heard all year,” Chaya Raichik, Libs of TikTok creator, wrote on X.

“Glad you guys could make it,” Washington Free Beacon reporter Joe Gabriel Simonso quipped.

Republican Alabama Sen. Katie Britt commented, “*A completely unsurprising source.”
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- Jake Dee
  
  I think reports like this are probably broadly accurate. The problem, at least for the Israeli, Jewish and Zionist groups is that it’s going to be damned difficult to open fire on them without ultimately shooting themselves.
  “Shady under handing funding to astroturf damages our democracy when YOU do it”. Is not a compelling argument.
  The involvement of George Soros is an ironic twist too. It has not been long since I saw Jewish groups defending the Soros network on the grounds that saying politics is being secretly manipulated by a Jewish billionaire financier is an antisemitic blood libel. It will be difficult for them to run that line now.
  The ongoing war in the middle east is causing political ructions and opening up fault lines all over the world.
  The international Jewish community may be breaking up with the international Left, which will be interesting to watch.
  
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  May 6, 2024 6:47pm
NK

For those who have been around a while and have had interactions with Adolf Finkensein, I pass on the very sad news that Rob passed away yesterday morning at 6:27am in Perty, WA, in the presence of his loving wife, children and extended family. He had been present in the blogging community here since about 2005.

My association and friendship with him dates back to about 2008. He lived in Auckland until about 2013 before returning to his beloved Barossa countryside, South Australia, and from there to Perth where some of his family lived. He developed cancer and fought it bravely. RIP my friend, your acerbic wit will be missed around here.
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May 6, 2024 8:45am
- SimonRAnderson
  
  Sad news.
  
  I remember his posts fondly, and that username always made me laugh.
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:54am
- alex Masterley
  
  I am sorry to hear of “Adolf’s” passing. His comments always made good reading.
  
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  May 6, 2024 8:55am
- David Garrett
  
  NK: Nice tribute mate. With one or three glaring and obvious exceptions, we are all a bit of a family here at KB. My condolences to his family.
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:11am
Bobba Fret

Is tomorrow the day that JAG announces her resignation?
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May 6, 2024 8:46am
- RoboRob
  
  Nope. She will be with us until at least the next election. I doubt the Greens will expel her from the party. Likely after the next election she will gat a tax payer funded job as a Green support person in Wellington or perhaps an Otago university job.
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:44am
- Benedict Yu
  
  No 🙂
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t think the left can afford a by-election.
  The checkbook has been taken away.
  
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  May 6, 2024 10:50am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They css as my afford it because they would lose.
    
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    May 6, 2024 1:35pm
Rusty

Bird flu is making a comeback. Let’s wait and see what the alarmists like Michael Baker will be warning us of its dangers to our health.
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May 6, 2024 8:51am
- Damocles11
  
  Bird Flu never went away, now making the leap from birds to cows to humans. Does this happen in nature? Yes it demonstrably does. As the planet gets rapidly more crowded with 8 Billion humans living in close proximity to wild and domesticated animals, this phenomenon will get more common. Most sentient carbon-based life-forms share the same basic structure of being made up of cells so the fact that viruses can move between them makes perfect sense.
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:46am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  This never would have happened without “Climate Change!”.
  /s
  
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  May 6, 2024 10:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Baker: “Do/don’t wear a mask. It depends on what the media want me to say.”
  
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  May 6, 2024 10:52am
- Flossie
  
  I think he has already pontificated on the issue.
  
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  May 6, 2024 12:21pm
Surely Knott

When will we hear the outcome of Siouxie Wiles case? It affects all employers and is in the public interest. The decision is reserved. Reserved till when? The decision affects employers. But also NZ citizens who want to know who was really the employer responsible for her public advocacy of mandates, vaccines and covid hysteria.

Was the employer Auckland Uni, or Te Punaha Matatini funded by the Govt but housed at Auckland Uni.

And since Te Punaha Matatini is not a legal entity (charity or company), who really is Te Punaha Matatini legally. Are they just a division of Auckland UNi.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/301016365/decision-in-dr-siouxsie-wiles-employment-case-against-auckland-uni-reserved-after-three-week-hearing
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May 6, 2024 9:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The outcome will allow sooks and the offended to make claims like ’emotional harm.’
  Fuck’s sake!
  
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  May 6, 2024 10:57am
TripeWryter

On what purports to be the evening news here in Nyu Zullin last night TVNZ ran a BBC item about a small girl drowning in the Channel last week when their overcrowded dinghy was swamped and sank.
Andrew Harding interviewed the father.
He had escaped ‘war-torn’ Iraq in 2008 and ended up in Europe.
He had married and his daughter was born in Belgium but grew up in Sweden. She was 7, the eldest of three.
He had tried, he said, 24 times, to be accepted as a refugee in several European countries but had been rejected each time.
So he was trying the people-smuggling route – across the world’s busiest waterway – to get to England.
The consequences were fatal for passengers including Sarah, his daughter.
But the obvious questions were not asked – why were you rejected all those times? What were you not telling us?
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May 6, 2024 9:03am
- MCōs
  
  Two or three years before WWII Jews were encouraged to leave Germany and there was a rush for the exits by those who could and were so inclined.
  America had a quota of several thousand, but due to strict requirements only about half that number were accepted.
  In other words they only took the best & brightest.
  The poor, poorly educated working classes didn’t stand a chance
  I should imagine those refugees such as the one in the story above fall into that category and down through the years nobody wants them in their country
  
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  May 6, 2024 4:33pm
Maggie Pie

People with knowledge of the matter who wish to remain anonymous, are saying lawyer Rachel Burt, who is conducting the investigation into suspended Green MP Darleen Tana over allegations of migrant exploitation……. is possibly ruing the day she ever took the job on.

How long has it been now?
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May 6, 2024 9:10am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: If she is getting paid by the hour or by the day, I very much doubt she is “ruing” it that much!
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:12am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well according to a tweet I saw last month it’s Pro-bono.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:18am
    - RoboRob
      
      As per my email below, its likely a very small amount of work. If its ‘Pro-bono’ will the Greens be declaring the cost as a party donation. I doubt it 🙂
      
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      May 6, 2024 9:24am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Nothing the Greens do is pro-bono, they are ideologically anti-bono
        
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        May 6, 2024 11:08am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Yes, the full term is usually considered to be “pro bono publico”
        Meaning for the good of the public.
        That would be a long bow to draw in the Greens case, so you are correct in that this lawyers work should be considered a donation valued at market rate.
        
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        May 6, 2024 12:29pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      The Greens cannot afford the fees.
      
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      May 6, 2024 9:27am
- RoboRob
  
  Highly doubt it. The result of the ‘investigation’ was probably written on day 1 and the rest of the time is simply for people to forget about it. As I predicted the other day, the results will likely be announced late on Friday the 31st, just before a long weekend.
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:23am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Well, that makes it either 31st May 2024 or 31st December 2027.
    
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    May 6, 2024 12:23pm
    - RoboRob
      
      lol, I meant May but you never know 🙂
      
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      May 6, 2024 1:27pm
Anthony Melchett

You know things are bad with the msm when you get better info from a fringe Maori news site…

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/05/03/te-pukenga-break-up-in-full-swing/

And what good news it is, as another one of hipkins projects fails harder than his marriage.

Te Pūkenga is now winding down.

“They have started decentralising operations. They have put in place regional leaders and delegated more decision-making to the regions. They have begun to reduce the size of head office and return staff to their regions and they have started removing Te Pūkenga branding,” Minister Simmonds says.
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May 6, 2024 9:10am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I was invited to be part of the team to set up that outfit. I politely declined. 😂
  
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  May 6, 2024 9:54am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Two of my matea to roles in that godforsaken clusterxxxx.
    
    The stories they tell of managerial incompetence and lack of direction where mind blowing….
    
    Massive waste of cash… Lots of contractors made a killing delivering not a lot
    
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    May 6, 2024 1:44pm
bjools

AM show again
Dear old Chloe and David S
Again the interviewer allows the Greens to get away with interruption and gather to themselves twice the time to reiterate their reply.
1. No actual action taken against GAG (in any other job, assault would be instant dismissal).
2. Claim that sympathies from across parliament,
who and from which party?
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May 6, 2024 9:43am
Ruawai

Some good advice for Julie Anne Genter from Samuel Johnson:
“You raise your voice when you should reinforce your argument.”
― Samuel Johnson
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May 6, 2024 9:49am
- bjools
  
  Makes the assumption, that she actually has a valid argument.
  
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  May 6, 2024 10:46am
Maggie Pie

Golriz, Darlene and Julie-Anne walk into a bar.

The barman says, “You’ve only just missed Tory”

😀 😀 😀
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May 6, 2024 10:01am
- Bobba Fret
  
  And Kiri Allen can drive them home.
  
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  May 6, 2024 11:35am
  - Paulus
    
    In the BOP Times headlines today we are to have a Mayoral Candidate who maintains she is different.
    She is a popular Maori singer, believed with a good voice, and three young children.
    Her Manager is that well known ex MP Kiri Allen, so we will see some tricks on the way, to the election July, when the Mahuta Commissioners go (despite trying to stay on).
    
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    May 6, 2024 2:25pm
cmm

Women in Australia are complaining about spikes in female murders by partners.

The solution is obvious. Select your partners a bit better.

Sure that’s not going to make 100% of the problem go away, but at least 90%.

And, wimminz, why complain. Men get murdered at 5x the rate you do.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/spike-in-murdered-women-in-australia-sparks-outrage-highlights-new-zealands-own-problems-the-front-page/RHV7DDLPN5CJPLQR76TJXFFKWA/
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May 6, 2024 10:08am
- NothingLeft
  
  Malicious women don’t tend to murder their partners, preferring to destroy them economically in divorces aided by false accusations, which is likely to see them richly rewarded rather than punished.
  
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  May 6, 2024 11:11am
  - MCōs
    
    That’s a malicious comment
    
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    May 6, 2024 12:29pm
- MCōs
  
  How many of those men are murdered by their partners?
  
  I happened to know a woman in our whanau back in Thailand whose daughter was murdered by her partner
  There was an argument. He grabbed a gun they kept in the house and shot her dead on the kitchen floor
  I think they were in a relationship because she became pregnant with his child.
  It’s all very well blaming the victim for her own death, but she didn’t pull the trigger
  
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  May 6, 2024 12:39pm
- kowtow
  
  The govt and media there are making very big noises too , but they’re all deliberately ignoring the elephant in the room.
  
  ‘4. Family violence is worse in Aboriginal communities
  Indigenous people were 32 times more likely to be hospitalised for family violence as non-Indigenous people.10
  In 2017, the majority of Indigenous assault victims recorded by police were victims of family violence, ranging from 64% (2,700) in New South Wales to 74% (3,900) in the Northern Territory.11’
  
  https://www.missionaustralia.com.au/domestic-and-family-violence-statistics#:~:text=Domestic%20and%20family%20violence%20in%20Australia%20statistics&text=1%20in%206%20women%20have,it%20is%201%20in%2016.&text=75%25%20of%20victims%20of%20domestic,reported%20the%20perpetrator%20as%20female.
  
  Before any problem can be addressed properly they at least must start from a position of honesty about it.
  
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  May 6, 2024 2:01pm
lifesgood

Great to see that Sky News now has a New Zealand segment. It is very short but it’s a start and I hope it grows. This is what we have been hanging out for. They had an excellent interview with Luxon on Saturday.
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May 6, 2024 10:14am
- MCōs
  
  I used to subscribe to the Australian Sky news channel on NZ Sky along with some other news channels and I’m sure there was a NZ news segment at the time
  I cancelled the package because all those channels I was paying for were so partisan
  
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  May 6, 2024 4:10pm
Yvette

Let’s assume that the word acquire should have been used instead of buy. It is still interesting that a one word inaccuracy can get a negative finding by the Press Council. Will this standard be applied to all opinion columns in future? If so, I think they will be very busy – Kiwiblog 10am post “Upheld over one word being wrong”

‘rangatiratanga’ and ‘kawanatanga’
oops! – that’s two words
doubly wrong
for 184 years

also a problem since: ‘acquire’ and ‘buy’ – funny that
well, maybe not
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May 6, 2024 10:16am
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Where the Wild Things are
Just watch out for the crickets…

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-where-the-wild-things?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 6, 2024 10:28am
cmm

“Screaming and shouting”

Why do people scream and shout after a shooting or other event? It’s the dumbest possible thing to do.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-crime-person-shot-dead-on-ponsonby-rd/X44WPXSI2RHWROMWHNZS3XDPWY/
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May 6, 2024 10:40am
- Inandout
  
  Well crime has come to a well to do area where house prices start at $1.75 million and the sky is the limit. I would scream as well.
  
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  May 6, 2024 10:55am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And I’ll tell you something else I find ridiculous…
  everybody who hears a shooting, immediately thinks it’s firecrackers!
  
  Honestly, how dumb can they be?
  Whenever I hear firecrackers, I instantly think it’s a shooting.
  
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  May 6, 2024 11:05am
  - cmm
    
    If they thought it sounded like fire crackers then they were quite likely recent arrivals from a culture where firecrackers in the street are common.
    
    Not nearly as dumb as people saying “It sounded like a bomb going off.” when they hear a big bang.
    99% of people saying that have never heard a bomb going off and 99% hearing it also have not heard a bomb going off, so it really means nothing.
    
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    May 6, 2024 11:38am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Duck shooting season
    
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    May 6, 2024 8:57pm
Drone

Is this the beginning of a new trend among our politicians, retaining the council job that raised your profile and taking an MP’s salary. Obviously Jaimie Arbuckle is New Zealands equivalent of Elon Musk with the ability to run multiple companies or being a councillor and MP is really not that hard and those in parliament are feeding the population manure. https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350263889/nz-first-mp-jamie-arbuckle-keep-two-jobs-and-two-salaries
But he’s a list MP and as we all know list MP’s don’t add much value to anything except to their bank account..
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May 6, 2024 10:48am
- Gravelroad
  
  Jamie Arbuckle is one of the good guys.
  From a “no frills” background he stills sell his fruit and vegetables at local markets on the weekend.
  He has had to work hard, against considerable odds at times, for every public position he has aimed for.
  He is just the sort of guy that some commenters here have said in the past who should be on local councils and in the House of Representatives.
  It is not all about the money for him.
  
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  May 6, 2024 11:48am
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    From a “no frills” background he stills sell his fruit and vegetables at local markets on the weekend.
    
    I thought being an MP was a serious gig?
    
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    May 6, 2024 12:38pm
  - Drone
    
    Gravelroad, I’m not saying he’s not one of the good guys (apart from the Winston First connection) I’m merely pointing out the contradiction in the claims that being a member of parliament is a full time job, when he can be an MP and a councillor and a market gardener/stall holder. If this is accepted behaviour can we look forward to more Green MPs in Wellington double dipping instead of resigning from their council seats ( and there have been a few this year)..
    
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    May 6, 2024 3:16pm
Maggie Pie

WATCH

PM Chris Luxon on new allegations facing JAG and other related matters…

https://fb.watch/rSoLBDfx-j/
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May 6, 2024 10:58am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, why are so many people named Chris, it is most confusing?.
  
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  May 6, 2024 11:04am
I remember when

Why are so many (apparently) mentally vulnerable young(ish) women attracted to politics?
If that is the case, does their presence result in a poorer standard of legislation?
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May 6, 2024 11:03am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, I believe Mabel Howard was one of the first elected MPs in modern times. There is an account of her holding up some bloomers in the House.
  
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  May 6, 2024 11:36am
  - peterwn
    
    She was pretty sane compared with what happens nowadays.
    
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    May 6, 2024 12:49pm
- NothingLeft
  
  seeking status and notice when they are unable to attain it via more conventional means.
  
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  May 6, 2024 12:05pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    they usually go on golf committees
    
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    May 6, 2024 12:31pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Women who are appointed because of their sex usually fail. Same as a man would .
  
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  May 6, 2024 12:39pm
Jack5

English Muslim politician on the “indigenous” bandwagon …

In a video reported in the Telegraph, Mothin Ali, a successful Muslim candidate in English local-body election, calls Israel a “settler, colonial occupier” and says of Israelis:

“They are not victims, they are occupiers, they are colonialists, they are European colonialists. It’s one of the last European colonies in the world and that’s why the European people don’t want to let it go.

Ali urged viewers to “support the right of indigenous people to have freedom and to fight back” against occupiers.

What about the Anglo-Saxons, then, Mothin?

This seems to be outside the paywall:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/05/palestine-has-the-right-to-fight-back-says-green-councillor/
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May 6, 2024 11:24am
- Mike
  
  Are you goìng to claim that the ‘Anglo-Saxons’:
  1. Can be defined as a people in 2024?
  2. Have a claim to excluive possession of the territory known as England in 1066?
  
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  May 6, 2024 5:30pm
Ra Henare

Gummint must have excess vaccines due to expire.
After 2 years in the wilderness(of which I am thankful) Health NZ emailed me to say

Stay up to date with your covid vaccinations

COVID

Stay protected against covid
As winter approaches, illnesses such as covid are more frequent in our communities.

Being up to date with your covid vaccinations is one of the best things you can do to protect yourself from serious illness due to covid.

If you’re over the age of 65, taking care of yourself and your immune system is important.

Blah Blah Blah

No thanks
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May 6, 2024 11:36am
- imalwaysright
  
  Take it to the cops. That’s a threatening letter!
  
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  May 6, 2024 12:41pm
  - RichardX
    
    That’s a threatening letter!
    
    What sort of snowflake thinks that is threatening?
    
    What threat is being made?
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:14pm
  - Ghost
    
    So waste police time with something that is in no way threatening.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:23pm
- H. Upmann
  
  From Sunday Strip above @ 10:28 (thanks Bridgenag)
  
  It’s been three years
  Shouldn’t all the unvaxed be dead by now?
  
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  May 6, 2024 1:07pm
- miltonF
  
  More misinformation from health NZ. There is zero correlation between Covid and “winter”. ZERO. In fact, the winter months in NZ produce less Covid cases. Our biggest spike in cases was in Dec/Jan. Summer. Take a look for yourself if you don’t believe me.
  
  https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/new-zealand
  
  How can they get away with providing false medical advice? This should be a crime.
  
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  May 6, 2024 3:43pm
Maggie Pie

Sooo cringe. And to think this is HARVARD-MED-SCHOOL!

Looks like they’ve overdosed on DEI.
Could you trust any of these woke retards?

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1787093247728218519
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May 6, 2024 11:45am
- Ghost
  
  I want to see a Green Party version
  
  “Green green Green Party MP’s in the house
  You’ve got a thief, and bully, we’re green MP’s.
  You’ve got another bully, waa she cries like a baby, we’re green MP’s
  Migrant exploitation, that’s Tana’s speciality
  We’re just driving in our car with our friend kiri”
  
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  May 6, 2024 12:00pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    May 6, 2024 12:04pm
    - kevn
      
      green nonsense…
      https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/chl%C3%B6e-swarbrick-says-capital-taxes-are-just-basic-economic-sense-which-goes-to-show-she-doesn-t-h?
      
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      May 6, 2024 12:38pm
MCōs

I’ve never been an MP and I would admit the country certainly dodged a bullet in that respect, but from what I’ve heard it’s more than a full time job if conscientiously undertaken, which I’m sure applies to all the NZF MPs
However Mr Jamie Arbuckle, NZF list, reckons he has enough energy to be a Marlborough councillor as well and as a consequence draw two salaries from the public purse
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/516075/mp-jamie-arbuckle-to-keep-two-jobs-and-two-salaries
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May 6, 2024 12:24pm
- Mike
  
  Probably a wise decision. NZ First MPs rarely spend more than one term in parliament. If the whole party isn’t thrown out, most of their MPs are deselected after their first rodeo.
  
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  May 6, 2024 1:34pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  My school teacher mate scaled back his part time painting business so that he would not breach the $60,000 GST registration threshold.
  
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  May 6, 2024 1:59pm
Maggie Pie

Why do they all look like this?

Breanna’s first lesson in REAL life…..

https://twitter.com/bdbrown473/status/1786560669581709646

And for God sake gurl…. buy a toothbrush 🙁
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May 6, 2024 1:03pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Maybe some shampoo as well….
  
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  May 6, 2024 1:24pm
- Albie
  
  Why do they all look like this?? Maybe the pretty ones have a few smarts, listened to their parents and stayed away from the protests.
  
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  May 6, 2024 2:45pm
goNZ1

“Julie Anne will be working as normal this week, including a long-planned trip to attend the annual Chatham Islands Stakeholder Forum as the MP representing the Chatham Islands,” they said.

what have the Chathams done to deserve this fate?
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May 6, 2024 2:41pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Chatham Islands Florist tells NewstalkZB she will remain closed
  for the rest of this week, in order to avoid confrontation.
  
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  May 6, 2024 3:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Baaa
    
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    May 6, 2024 4:36pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  She would want to tread carefully over there, the locals won’t put up with getting womanhandled or abused by her.
  
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  May 6, 2024 4:05pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from tennis tweets….

Anyone else think it a bit odd that Police are looking for help in identifying this gentleman when they already know who he is.

https://dlvr.it/T6SvLb
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May 6, 2024 3:31pm
- kowtow
  
  What I find really odd is in that detailed description of the alleged offender , they left out a very obvious and distinctive aspect about him………..
  
  ………that ring!
  
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  May 6, 2024 4:06pm
  - kevn
    
    kowtow… Maybe that ‘ring’ is the new smartphone/watch combo?
    
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    May 6, 2024 5:24pm
- Jethrod
  
  Fat, receding hair and scribble on arm
  
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  May 6, 2024 4:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Does it say Mother?
    
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    May 6, 2024 5:29pm
    - Ghost
      
      I thought it was ❤️ Ardern
      
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      May 6, 2024 5:33pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Plenty of bar code there for an easy ID.
  
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  May 6, 2024 4:46pm
- Jake Dee
  
  To get different sightings of him at different places doing different things. Build up a profile of where he goes, what he does and who his associates are.
  
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  May 6, 2024 7:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Dual Governance Part 7.
Breakdown of “Mana or Money” by Dr Muriel Newman. NZCPR.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/do-we-already-have-a-dual-government-in-new-zealand-part-7/?

Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVMKSOT4CH0
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May 6, 2024 4:06pm
rouppe

OECD warns NZ Govt it shouldn’t borrow to pay for tax cuts

Shame they didn’t tell the previous government to not borrow to keep everyone on home detention, and close businesses.
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May 6, 2024 4:12pm
- kevn
  
  rouppe… Indeed.
  https://dailysceptic.org/2024/05/04/lockdowns-were-unquestionably-the-stupidest-government-intervention-of-our-lifetimes/
  
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  May 6, 2024 5:05pm
  - MCōs
    
    That article was written about the situation in 🇬🇧 where lockdowns were too little too late to be effective
    Besides the real economic killer over there was and continues to be Brexit and that doesn’t rate a mention. Not in that article anyway.
    
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    May 6, 2024 5:32pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Shame they didn’t tell the previous government ..
  
  I don’t think the OECD are in the game of “you should have done this or that” … just what they think should be done now.
  
  You can agree or not. Personally I find it a bit strange that while the RB holds interest rates up to lean on inflation, the gummint is about to give people more money to spend … without any more productivity or anything like that.
  
  I will of course accept the tax cut, the benefits of increased interest rates, the (recently increased) pension and anything else the gummint wants to give me. Have to do my bit to maintain the deficit.
  
  Go figure.
  
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  May 6, 2024 6:02pm
  - mogg
    
    The OECD have developed a reputation for being wrong in their forecasting.
    Who says that allowing people to have their tax thresholds adjusted in line with inflation and keeping more of their own hard earned money does not inspire productivity, and keep valuable members of the workforce here in NZ rather than going to Aus.
    One thing for sure is that taking evermore tax will drive productive members of the workforce away.
    Have you tried getting a hospital appointment recently? Go figure.
    
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    May 6, 2024 6:40pm
  - M.Solvent
    
    Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.
    
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    May 6, 2024 9:51pm
Scooter

What’s the bet the shoota is a recent 501 import, with all that bling and quite dressy, he looks more like he’d be from Melbourne that Mangere.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/ponsonby-road-shooting-man-shot-dead-local-leaders-shocked-and-saddened-top-cop-to-front-media/
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May 6, 2024 5:34pm
Ghost

Aww, loved their music growing up

Kiwi reggae star Willie (Wiremu) Hona has died following a lengthy battle with cancer.
Hona died on Sunday night, “surrounded by his loving whānau in Paraparaumu”, his daughter Natalie Hona said in a Facebook post.

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