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M’aidez, m’aidez!
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May 1, 2024 8:01am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Certainly, you need help, Mikey
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:25am
  - jkt
    
    Milk It:
    A great day to celebrate 🥳.
    Workers unite under the brutal forces of equality. Ha, ha…
    
    I guess one can consider this a celebration of liberation from Communism. Right Mikenmild…
    
    Interesting that it was well supported under Lenin and then Stalin …….
    
    Life satisfaction is founded on memory … not experience …. Therefore the uptick in support for Marxism now that the experience is a distant memory?
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:42am
    - Paul
      
      You appear to be having a conversation with yourself.
      
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      May 1, 2024 10:21am
      - jkt
        
        A great way to know the level of intelligence of your audience.
        
        That is why I type slowly, cause I know the reader reads slowly.
        
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        May 1, 2024 8:07pm
      - jkt
        
        Self deprecation – what does the down tickers 🤔
        Confused?🫤
        
        I think it shows prejudice or maybe not paying attention to the argument.
        
        Maybe, they also did not get the irony.
        
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        May 2, 2024 9:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What’s wrong with you?
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:37am
  - G152
    
    Milkem has nothing wrong with him. Its a scam
    
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    May 1, 2024 8:41am
  - David Garrett
    
    Need you ask Maggy? The man is a risible clown who delights in pissing people off. What a sad life he must lead.
    
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    May 1, 2024 8:43am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Contrarians have value.
      History is full of them.
      
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      May 1, 2024 10:45am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Do we really need to bother with him?
        
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        May 1, 2024 1:18pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  I suspect you are beyond help….. but we love having you on Kiwiblog, endlessly educating us in the ways of snarky dissent…
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nope, you can suffer!
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:20am
Chuck Bird

This is just 7.5 minutes.

Judith Curry: How Climate “Science” Got Hijacked by Alarmists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVi01vJ4nxM
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May 1, 2024 8:02am
- David Garrett
  
  Chuck: that is the best less-than-ten-minutes on climate change I have yet seen…I have often asked climate sceptic friends “What is in it for the alarmists?” “How do they benefit?”
  
  Dr. Curry answers in one short sentence: “Fame and fortune”. It’s actually really scary on a wider level that doubters can be labeled “deniers”, and have their careers – and livelihoods – wrecked.
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:28am
  - G152
    
    My reply to the global warmists is…..
    Its weather
    
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    May 1, 2024 8:42am
    - David Garrett
      
      G152: We can say that, but the young – who haven’t lived through a series of predictions that haven’t happened – are not so easily dissuaded from their alarm.
      
      My daughter is 23, and sharp as a razor. She is seriously debating with her intended as to whether they can bring children into a world of “global boiling”. I send her clips like the one Chuck posted, but I’m just her silly old Dad – what do I know? She is surrounded by doomsayers who appear to know much more than I.
      
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      May 1, 2024 8:53am
      - Ian Boag
        
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        her silly old Dad
        
        who will be long dead if/when the world goes to shit from temperature rise …
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:07am
      - I remember when
        
        Ian Boag:
        What is always ignored, is that any problems with weather/climate caused by warming will happen regardless of what caused the warming.
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:26am
      - David Garrett
        
        Mr Boag: And the point of that seemingly pointless comment is…what exactly?
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:29am
      - jkt
        
        A work friend and his wife made that decision in 1979 and argued that one was selfish if one did have children.
        
        Paul Ehrlich …. convinced many. Paul now believes differently!! … He “believes” his timing was wrong. Ha, ha, … He continues to convince many!? Unbelievable 🫤
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:54am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        Maybe point out David that the decision to have children or not shouldn’t be left to influencers. Many people in the fifties and sixties were convinced not to have children in the face of a very real and immediate threat.
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:30am
      - leoj
        
        She cannot be that sharp if she has not researched the other side of the story.
        
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        May 1, 2024 12:57pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Mr Garrett
        
        Your daughter’s generation is the one that copes with whatever happens or doesn’t. Arguably that makes it more her problem than yours ….
        
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        May 1, 2024 1:04pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        David, I just got back from a meeting with some clown from the CCC. He is not a scientist but an economist. I asked him if he had heard of Bjorn Lomborg, a well-known climate change economist. He had not heard of him.
        
        I then asked him if he considered nuclear as recommended by COP18. He said no need as solar and wind will replace fossil fuels. That is idiotic.
        
        I then asked if he knew how long solar and wind turbines last. He did not have a clue.
        
        This is why I support Groundswell and the Methane Science Accord.
        
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        May 1, 2024 2:57pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @DG: With no disrespect to your daughter, anyone who believes in global boiling isn’t fit to breed, and personally I’m pleased they’re not inflicting more snowflake kids on society.
        
        Commiserations if that means no grandkids, at least until she realises it’s a scam – my daughter has 2 law degrees and is also as sharp as a razor, yet belongs to Extinction Rebellion. Go figure.
        
        Side note: the last two words in your post are incorrect. They should be “than me” or “than I do”.
        
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        May 1, 2024 7:09pm
      - Mike
        
        Loddenthinks
        Your inconsistent use of ‘2’ and ‘two’ leads me to believe time is better spent proofreading one’s own comments than criticizing the peculiar usage of others’ comments.
        
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        May 1, 2024 7:23pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Mike – “criticize”? We’re not in America, man!
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:30pm
      - Mike
        
        I’m not in control of the language settings for the blog, so I’m relaxed about Americanisms.
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:53pm
    - kowtow
      
      No it’s more than the weather .
      
      There is a slight warming trend , but it’s within natural variability .( as the science tells us) .
      
      And it sure ain’t caused by man or beast.
      
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      May 1, 2024 9:22am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I have disclosed here that I have made money out of climate change policy by providing advice on policy settings and also compliance. However that was nearly 20 years ago. There was minimum public interest let alone hysteria.
    
    I recall a senior Minister in the last year of the Helen Clark Labour government telling me that there was no way any New Zealand government would buy massive offshore carbon credits, effectively sending money to countries like Belarus, Indonesia and Pakistan. Fast forward less than 20 years and we have a National Government continuing with the first installment of $1.3 billion in payments to developing countries for “climate finance”, a bill which will exceed $10 billion by 2030.
    
    Sadly “climate change” has become a religion, and heretics are cast out and ruined. In New Zealand, you don’t need to be in the “climate change is a scam” crowd, which I am not. You simply need to question the “net zero” targets or point out the consequences of meeting those targets.
    
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    May 1, 2024 8:56am
    - kowtow
      
      It’s a bubble and it will burst .
      
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      May 1, 2024 9:19am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        It’s a coat hanger for the far left. Same as the Palestinian fad same as BLM same as Transgender bs. If you look carefully at footage of demonstrations in the UK for instance you will see that placards handed out to the useful idiots that attend have a mast head with Socialist Worker across it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_(UK)
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:45am
    - slijmbal
      
      Allowing for the historical inaccuracies of the IPPC ‘forecasts’ (especially in the common use of worst case scenarios for political reasons), it’s a fools errand behaving as if they are now magically true.
      
      If we now add the exceptions China and India receive and their quite rational behaviour building lots of coal fired power stations we’re going to be living with the (likely well liveable) consequences of increased CO2 levels. Net Zero is not only not achievable in the current geopolitical environment it’s highly likely it’s not required anyway.
      
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      May 1, 2024 9:21am
      - Don Beckett
        
        We are net zero now if we include the things that we are not allowed to include. It’s all bullshit.
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:48am
      - Jake Dee
        
        China and India are building coal fired plants, but they are also building nuclear and, China especially, solar and wind.
        They have not allowed their governments to be totally subservient to climate change policies, but they aren’t ignoring them either.
        
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        May 1, 2024 6:01pm
    - jkt
      
      Bene:
      I bought Belarusian carbon credits for the organisation I worked for at 7c a unit and we used them to pay for our emissions.
      
      Other policy advisers argued we should buy these at the government cap price of nearly $25 …. because it was the right thing to do!
      
      I had to debate hard to convince management to go with my advice! What a f…… joke.
      
      Most of the other advisers are still advising! Ouch!!
      
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      May 1, 2024 10:08am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I recall debating with a government advisor on climate change. He was an advocate of reducing the NZ dairy herd. I made the obvious point – China, India, and Brazil will just grab that market share. It won’t reduce global emissions.
        
        His reply: “No they would not do that because those countries also care about climate change.”
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:36am
      - jkt
        
        I can imagine, par for the course is often a very long way off, even when scoring at an American Scramble Format.
        Hard job, government adviser.
        
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        May 1, 2024 3:47pm
    - leoj
      
      What does the $1.3 billion buy?
      
      How will it cool the earth?
      
      And by how much?
      
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      May 1, 2024 12:59pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      “Sadly “climate change” has become a religion”
      
      Agreed
      
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      May 1, 2024 3:36pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Not dissimilar to how health “science” got hijacked by alarmists and grifters during covid, and for the same reason – follow the money. Every time.
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:12am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep.
    
    What was this net work ? And the Organisation behind JA advising her ?
    There lies the answers in a sea of deciept.
    
    Christchurch Call pressured its advisory network not to release critical reports of member countries
    
    [Mod – cleaned up link]
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:46am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Thanks Mod, I tried to do it but bloody frustrating on a phone with shite internet at sea.
      Sorry about that.
      
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      May 1, 2024 12:52pm
      - sealegs
        
        Join the club and get Star link, I’m sitting off South Georgia at the moment and internet reception is great.
        
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        May 1, 2024 4:29pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Good stuff, Hope the weather gods are playing the game.
        Yep we have Starlink but limited by usage. Also FBB. Fleet Broad Band.
        Hope toothfish are biting.
        
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        May 1, 2024 7:05pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    The left want to destroy capitalism and the society that we live in. This is not a conspiracy theory it’s their stated aim. Therefore they will take on any cause any crises any theories that they believe will hasten that end even to the degree of allying with the most fascistic far right conservative religion on the planet openly opposed to most of their social agenda simply because it’s anti western. It’s as simple as that so why do people keep reacting with such surprise when the paint flakes off a protest or a pressure group and reveals a far left extremist? They didn’t die with the collapse of the Soviet Union they saw it as an opportunity for pushing their ideology without the handicap of a working example and “ getting it right”.
    
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    May 1, 2024 2:25pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Interesting interview with a Russian Philospher , Alexandr Dugin, ( Incidently books are banned by the West) and Tucker Carlson.
      Explains in detail how the West wants to destroy the Traditional Family structure and Russia ( Putin) embraces it.
      Very coherent and Logical argument.
      Explains the pretty much what has been in General Debate for the Last year or so.
      
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      May 1, 2024 7:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Does the lying Jacinda Ardern know Judith Curry?
  
  Other than that do Greta and AOC know of this?
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:31am
  - jkt
    
    Of course they do.
    But Judith is “an unstable” denier! Maybe …corrupted by big oil, that is how the alarmists spin it.
    
    Figure that out. Pick between Greta and an experienced scholar and many come to the conclusion that the experienced scholar is unstable!
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:15am
- Grunter
  
  A very good watch – Thx Chuck.
  
  The ‘global Boiling’ scam is entrenched and way past the point of no return. By that, I mean the central and local governments in the Western world have baked it into policy, plans and financial commitments.
  
  Just one significant example at a local level. The Otago Regional Council currently has their draft 10 year plan out for feedback. Buried within their dribble is a monstrous $425 million plan to buy electric buses and expand public transport because of…….. our commitment to combatting climate change.!!
  
  This will be funded through 20%+ annual rate increases and a huge increase in debt. These buses have an average battery life of 8-10 years, so this spend is baked in until the money runs out. They also have to build massive bus charging stations in Dunedin and Queenstown.
  
  We are now living in clown world!
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:46am
  - jkt
    
    There is a canyon larger and more magnificent than the Grand Canyon lying under 2km of ice on Greenland.
    
    Wait for it, wait for it, … increase cows and we may well go and visit the yet to be named canyon. Ha, ha.
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:21am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Many of those electric buses drive around Christchurch with between zero and a handful of passengers.
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So do the diesel buses all over Auckland.
      I have not seen a full bus other than the school buses.
      Then student have to pay double price (ssshh they had half price but we won’t mention that)
      
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      May 1, 2024 5:18pm
      - Mike
        
        Are you out and about at peak hours, or just off-peak for your discount?
        
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        May 1, 2024 5:54pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “clown world”
    
    Do you watch the Outsiders?
    
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    May 1, 2024 3:39pm
Tomtoddy

Two quotes from the just released report on the state of media in NZ.

“But when reliable information is conflated with entertainment and extreme opinion, then citizens suffer and manipulated polarised outcomes are more likely”. “The mixing of fact and opinion in news stories is identified as a cause of the public’s low level of trust”.

I rate the main contributor to the report Gavin Ellis. He is astute and has sound judgement. MSM has only itself to blame for arrogantly foisting a range of juvenile and Marxist views on the NZ public. We must not let the Government bail them out in a way that lets them carry on their ideological spin.
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May 1, 2024 8:04am
- Chuck Bird
  
  “We must not let the Government bail them out in a way that lets them carry on their ideological spin.”
  
  Like Climate Emergency.
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:06am
  - Colville
    
    Chuck.
    I don’t give a flying f$&k about the climate emergency BS, it’s a worldwide political movement that we have almost zero say in. We do what our major trading interests tell us to do and that is that .
    The media is a problem today that effects New Zealand today and there won’t be a recognisable New Zealand in a few years unless it’s sorted.
    The media hoisted Jacinda of the Plauge on their shoulders worshipped her, she was put there by that POS Winston. There is nothing to stop them doing it again in 2 years time.
    We know for a certainty Winston would sell the country down the road in a heart beat AGAIN.
    
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    May 1, 2024 8:20am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Changing the Media Minister has not given me any comfort about where the government is heading on this.
      
      If the government bails out the media, the people will scream.
      
      If they don’t, the media will go insane.
      
      I hope that they announce that Google and Meta will be forced to pay for the media. It will be very entertaining when we get the inevitable result. See Canada.
      
      “In order to comply with the Online News Act, we have begun the process of ending news availability in Canada.”
      
      https://about.fb.com/news/2023/06/changes-to-news-availability-on-our-platforms-in-canada/
      
      😂🤡🎉
      
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      May 1, 2024 9:22am
      - wsk12345
        
        The Minister should simply say that we are not bailing out media but we will progress legislation to allow media to invoice Meta etc. and take enforcement action if/when Meta tells them to GF.
        
        I suspect the media companies will lose more by not being on meta, let them make that decision.
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Canada well on the way of becoming North Zimbabwe.
        
        Let our media go insane – then we can laugh at them!
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:38am
      - Ghost
        
        The PM has already said there isn’t much they can do for the msm. The new minister has also said “the old ways are coming under pressure in some areas, and that doesn’t mean that government should subsidise the old ways to return to some path that is gone”
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:18am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “The PM has already said there isn’t much they can do for the msm.”
        
        Both Melissa Lee and the new Minister have made strong hints that they intend to regulate to force Google and Meta to pay for the media.
        
        If they “don’t intend to do much” why did he get rid of Melissa.? She could have said “There is not much we can do so shut up.”
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We must not bail them out at all, full stop.
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:34am
  - imalwaysright
    
    No government should not have anything to do with broadcasting and journalism.
    
    Both are the business of the public and must remain independent of government.
    
    The government is there to ensure freedom of speech and freedom to hear. That’s all
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:05am
    - jkt
      
      There is a place for State Controlled media in the media orbit. It creates opportunity for private money to fight against government propaganda.
      
      Under our status quo, our state owned media acts as an anti conservative and progressive causes propaganda machine.
      
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      May 1, 2024 10:29am
      - imalwaysright
        
        “There is a place for State Controlled media in the media orbit. It creates opportunity for private money to fight against government propaganda”
        
        Why would we finance government propaganda just so the private sector could criticise it?
        
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        May 1, 2024 12:11pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      “No government should not have anything to do with broadcasting ”
      
      Apologies for double negative
      
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      May 1, 2024 11:26am
    - Jake Dee
      
      I disagree, there is a role for government in broadcasting and journalism and it’s an important one. Or should that be, an important part of the government’s role involves broadcasting and journalism?
      The government has to get the word out to the people and has to hear the word back from the people, always has done. That’s public relations and communications, that crosses right into the territory of journalism. And if you don’t tell your story then someone else will tell it for you and not necessarily to your advantage.
      A citizen in a nation is not the same as being a consumer in a marketplace. The market is for the benefit of the people, the people do not exist for the benefit of the market.
      If the information space of NZ gets turned over to the likes of Time-Warner, Meta, X and Hollywood then we are all doomed. With no loyalty or responsibilities to anything but “The Market” we are all grist in their mills and meat in their sandwiches.
      
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      May 1, 2024 5:57pm
- bennerg
  
  Newsroom had an article today regarding the “urgent need to save the journalism ecosystem”.
  
  https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/05/01/urgent-need-to-save-the-journalism-ecosystem/
  
  I say the current lot are being “fired”, like on “The Apprentice”, but they either don’t recognise that fact, or accept the fact that they have failed their customers, and have been abandoned.
  
  I struggle to find a single source for a comprehensive general news source that I can trust in New Zealand. At one stage I would have expected that The NZ Herald, a “newspaper of record” would / should have been an option. But it, like Stuff, and Newshub all fail IMHO.
  
  I’m not a trained journalist, but I know when I see biased, incomplete, or patsy stories. And that makes me uncomfortable, and certainly not inclined to pay for it.
  
  The way ahead for these media organisations is to engage with their customers, recognise that the customers are also intelligent, and give them what they wish to see and read. And present their customers by actually questioning the narratives being presented by politicians and the many lobby groups.
  
  I refuse to visit Stuff website anymore because they have a published policy of not reporting on certain views. I do not respect any publication that refuses to report and investigate the power of the pharmaceutical companies over our medical industry, and their role, which is now amply reported overseas.
  
  When there is such an option (and I’m not holding my breath) I will gladly pay for it, and amply. In the meantime, I’m left picking up bits from here and there, all the while filtering it to adjust for the major biases currently there. That makes the experience wearisome and lacking enjoyment.
  
  Sadly it seems that only independent outlets are one’s that are indepedently funded (eg. “X”), where at least I have the power to determine what I will not read.
  
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  May 1, 2024 10:34am
  - Flossie
    
    I will not be renewing my subscription to NZH when it runs out in a few days. I advised them of this and there’s no reaction. Obviously plenty more subscribers out there??
    
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    May 1, 2024 11:22am
    - graham
      
      I know there are some large companies that subscribe to NZ Herald – I have access to NZH Premium through my employer, even though my role doesn’t have any requirement or need for it.
      
      No idea how many companies do this, but if a substantial number of the larger businesses do the same as my employer and pay for all their staff then you can figure that’s a considerable amount of revenue.
      
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      May 1, 2024 2:56pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    This “Save the media eco-system” is an interesting metaphor that is used quite a bit in the report (I’m going through it now). They really portray themselves as the Amazonian rainforest or a poor polar bear sitting on a melting iceberg, rather than as a tyrannosaurus or brontosaurus two days after the comet hit or a buggy and stagecoach maker ten years after the automobile rolled off the production line.
    Every one of them can adapt or die, and by “die” I mean get another job. Many of those old stagecoach makers went on to build bodies for the news cars and trucks.
    radical change is not only coming it is already here. The Koi Tū: Centre for Informed Futures report does have some interesting ideas, charitable status for some local news gathering entities for example but spare me from the weeping and gnashing of teeth about an “extinction level event” before we get to commercial like
    “For less than the price of a cup of coffee, you can help save this poor media consultant from eating out of the trash and sleeping under a bridge at night.”
    
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    May 1, 2024 6:21pm
    - Bloody Dago
      
      10 out 10 JD!!
      
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      May 1, 2024 8:09pm
Matt Long

Ahhh, savoir the victory, we at last have diversity in our city officials. Those poor downtrodden Muslim Yemenis at last have a voice.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned?CMP=share_btn_url
Actually Muslims have a lot in common with the views of conservative Christians, except for the whole jihad, kill the Christians and turn their children into sex slaves thing. And maybe the murder everyone who decides to leave Islam thing, yeah, that too.
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May 1, 2024 8:05am
- Matt Long
  
  The Islamic Caliphate, coming to a country near you, diverse communities rejoice.
  https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1784993709274128551
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:07am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    “They escaped their shitty countries to come to Europe, to turn Europe into the shitty countries they escaped from.”
    
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    May 1, 2024 8:22am
    - cmm
      
      Exactly.
      
      The shitty country is not in the place. It is in the people.
      
      If the people that make it a shitty country move elsewhere they just take the shitty country location with them.
      
      You can only leave a shitty country if you’re not part of it and can leave it behind.
      
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      May 1, 2024 8:47am
      - David Garrett
        
        cmm: In my youth I visited Sweden many times – I was in love, and traveled by ferry and train for 48 hours to reach my beloved in Stockholm (No cheap airfares in those days)
        
        The beloved and I traveled a bit, including to Gothenberg, and Malmo, the second of which I am told is now an Islamic shithole.
        
        I have a friend up here in Tonga who is – believe it or not – a Swedish-Croation-Tongan. He visits Sweden irregularly, and it is quite clearly a very different country from the one I visited with such pleasure.
        
        He tells me the Muslim population is now 20%, and like the North of England, there are now whole areas in cities like Malmo where the police won’t go for fear of attack by Muslim gangs. Lovely. Coming to a neighbourhood near you unless we fucking wake up.
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:03am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I have not been to Sweden for more than 30 years. It was a lovely place apart from the very expensive beer.
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:24am
      - jkt
        
        Sort of, but we are over generalising.
        Political immigrants are different from migrants.
        
        Every country needs a population policy to protect culture. Protecting culture is the job of government. Enforcing one culture over another is not a mandate that should ever be given to those that govern!
        
        Multiculturalism is another failed Marxist idea.
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:48am
    - kowtow
      
      As some wag once put it ;
      
      Beirut was once the Paris of the Middle East , now Paris is the Beirut of Europe.
      
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      May 1, 2024 9:24am
  - Colville
    
    They are just 300 years behind the Catholics? Instead of pikes and smallpox the just get on a benifit and breed?
    
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    May 1, 2024 8:23am
    - jkt
      
      Do we have to say more?
      Who wants the glory days of Catholics back?
      
      John Minto!
      
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      May 1, 2024 10:54am
- Notsofast
  
  I just searched for Green Party views on female education in Afghanistan, nada.
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:41am
  - jkt
    
    The wealthy Afghanis send their daughters to China for education.
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:57am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Well we gave 2 million to support female education in Afghanistan.
    Gee, Waiting for a Madam Curry to pop up anytime soon//
    
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    May 1, 2024 11:25am
artemisia

Green MP Tamatha Paul is back on the rent controls rant. But ACT’s housing spokesperson Cameron Luxton said the Greens call for rent controls is “economically illiterate”.

Meanwhile, Ms Paul rolls out “Housing is a human right” conveniently forgetting that the ‘human right’ New Zealand signed up to is ‘adequate housing’. New Zealand has vast central and local rules around what counts as ‘adequate’ and what a surprise that meeting them has led to rent increases and pressure on supply.

So “economically illiterate”? Yep.

Fortunately the exodus of families, taxpayers and asset owners is providing a supply buffer with some real estate agents reporting a good proportion of homes for sale are for just that reason.
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May 1, 2024 8:06am
- Colville
  
  Housing is a human right without question.
  The right to get up at dawn and work all day to afford a house.
  That is everyone’s right.
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is the bit that the younger generation can’t comprehend.
    Work 3 jobs. First the 8 hours, then second part time cleaning offices in the evening, then bang in 20 hours in the weekend. It is not hard when you have a goal.
    You don’t need a 63 inch TV, or double door fridge, or surround sound, or an electric car.
    Double mattress on the floor – no bed, that was me.
    Rant over.
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:50am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Sounds like the life of Riley.
      I slept in a WW2 cave in Dutch Harbour and hang a Hamock between villagesin Fiji.
      I must say the Fiji was more enjoyable.
      
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      May 1, 2024 11:29am
    - John Loveridge
      
      That was Mrs Loveridge and me just 25 years ago when saving for our first home deposit. Double mattress on the floor, scrimping and saving everything, lots of overtime…
      
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      May 1, 2024 11:35am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      There were 26 of us, living in shoebox in middle of t’motorway…..
      
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      May 1, 2024 12:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I hope you put that shoebox back after you looked into it.
        I have been caught out by the same prank!
        
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        May 1, 2024 12:54pm
      - Bobba Fret
        
        Sheer luxury!
        
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        May 1, 2024 2:51pm
  - jkt
    
    Correct, housing is a human right.
    Samantha Paul needs to visit countries where this right is the focus of the governments. Russia comes to mind.
    
    Ukraine is another. We used to see it on TV nightly. The buildings are robust ….. she thinks New Zealanders will live in those buildings after all the pampering the poor have endured in this country?
    
    Our government must be brave and build some high density complexes and house those who act anti socially, those who struggle to achieve good outcomes through their own hard work and those down on their luck at taxpayer subsidised rents. This will allow government to provide wrap around services to those “dealt” a bad hand in life.
    
    This type of intervention will provide a path out of poverty for those who are prepared to rehabilitate while having their human rights catered to.
    
    Some will choose to stay living in these housing units and enjoy the comforts of “home”. Home is where the heart is.
    
    Samantha will call this heartless, but this is what human rights look like. Equality of outcomes is not a reality of the human condition. Sorry.
    
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    May 1, 2024 11:56am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘build some high density complexes and house those who act anti socially, ‘
      We call those Jails.
      But if you think that’s a solution in an Urban environment then its ignorant tosh.
      That sort of environment makes the problems worse.
      And its Tamatha not Samantha
      
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      May 1, 2024 3:07pm
      - jkt
        
        I thought her father got it wrong when he registered her birth. My sincere apologies.
        
        Hells bells “equality of outcome warrior” and your best comeback is a “T” not “S”. I understand your outrage.
        
        “Make matters worse.” Have you been paying attention. Homeless ……. No-one will rent a home to them for obvious reasons!
        Roof over head!
        Wrap around services!
        Rehabilitation!
        Subsidised by taxpayers!
        
        What the hell is not to like?
        
        Yeah, right. I guess you are a housing and poverty policy adviser. Equality of outcomes worrier!
        
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        May 1, 2024 4:07pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        As I said you are ignorant about housing solutions with your instant slum proposal
        And what’s with the, must be over, 40+ comments today?
        Obsessed much?
        Did you ever consider getting a life?
        
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        May 1, 2024 4:47pm
      - jkt
        
        All-Red:
        Instant slum. Yeah right.
        Been to Europe or New York during the last 100 years …. Read a book?
        
        You have a way with words …. it is a dead giveaway.
        
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        May 1, 2024 8:17pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lets look at your words…
        ‘build some high density complexes and house those who act anti socially’
        Yeah, that’ll work
        Lol
        As I said ignorant.
        You know nothing about Urban design
        And yes, I have seen the slums overseas.
        Quite sad the way you blowhard your way through the blog
        Incel obviously
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:13pm
      - jkt
        
        A new follower.
        👣🥰
        Welcome Red.
        
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        May 2, 2024 7:02am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Correct, Paul is economically illiterate. As always, socialists wanting freedom to legislate to increase costs to landlords, and want to stop them passing those costs along to tenants.
  Secondly, “housing is a human right”. Yes, and in NZ everyone (other than those who do not have the capacity to enter into a contract) has the right to buy a house. However, no one in NZ has the right to make other people pay for their housing.
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:27am
  - Burtland
    
    Paul is just another marxist pantomime
    – the net taxpayer forks out 160k annually for her delusion
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:40am
  - jkt
    
    Paul is an equality warrior without a sense of reality.
    Actually, that is standard for equality warriors. Or should that worriers.
    
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    May 1, 2024 12:01pm
- pdm
  
  New Zealand has vast central and local rules around what counts as ‘adequate’ and what a surprise that meeting them has led to rent increases and pressure on supply.`
  
  So true and in Maslow’s Hierarchy Of Needs shelter is a basic human right. No mention of Housing that I recall.
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:44am
  - jkt
    
    Maslow was not aware of double glazing……
    New generation equality warriors are.
    
    I can recall my grandmother telling me “good enough is not good enough.” I was small and not literate and it did not bother me.
    
    My mother tried the same trick on me when I was slightly literate, like in standard three, and I told her Ouma was woke! (I meant wrong, but woke fits)
    
    Good is good enough! Like is adequate!
    
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    May 1, 2024 12:10pm
- G152
  
  So where are the 100,000 houses liebor promised????
  Could have gone some way to a solution
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:44am
- rouppe
  
  Housing is a basic human need, not a basic human right.
  
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  May 1, 2024 10:37am
  - jkt
    
    Therefore, adequate housing is a human right.
    But as Schellenberger demonstrates not necessarily the choice of all people. San Fransicko!
    
    “Housing First!” Policy is a total failure, or is it. Data tells us that this policy generates much higher death rate amongst drug users than those who sleep rough or are housed in homeless shelters. So perhaps this is the aim of this woke policy.
    
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    May 1, 2024 12:17pm
    - artemisia
      
      I have no issue with adequate housing as a human right. As long as someone else is not expected to pay for it.
      
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      May 1, 2024 3:36pm
      - jkt
        
        Unfortunately, that is not how this stuff works.
        Law abiding “haves” and many equally “have not enough’s” must chip in to support those who cannot make it on their own ….. and …. pay for government.
        
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        May 1, 2024 4:15pm
Souvlaki

A fairly astute column from Cam Slater re Winston this am.
Peters is at his entertaing best when ‘ unchained’…railing against the BS!

https://thebfd.co.nz/2024/05/01/aint-that-the-truth/
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May 1, 2024 8:08am
- Colville
  
  Two people that I wouldn’t piss on if they were on fire.
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:27am
  - jkt
    
    Considering pissing on people tells us everything about you.
    
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    May 1, 2024 12:19pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      It’s just a turn of phrase – no need to clutch pearls.
      
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      May 1, 2024 8:26pm
      - Paul
        
        jkt’s another Mike, in disguise, methinks.
        
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        May 2, 2024 12:04am
      - jkt
        
        I know.
        I think my comment will make Colville think 🤔
        Is that not what we are trying to do here?
        
        I know the answer to my rhetorical question.
        
        Not sure who Mike is …. I will just pick one that reinforces my bias.
        
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        May 2, 2024 9:34am
- David Garrett
  
  Souvlaki: Indeed…a sensible comment from Mr Slater.
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:10am
- Media hater
  
  That is a tremendously ambitious list of donation options underneath the article, lol.
  
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  May 1, 2024 2:19pm
BarryB

I am REALLY, REALLY happy to see that the students have ignored warnings and have occupied part of Columbia University.
It is my fervent hope that they get REALLY, REALLY serious and set fire to the place – the whole university – and burn the place to the ground. Then I hope students at most other US Universities to the same – the world will then be a much better place.
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May 1, 2024 8:14am
- Sideoiler
  
  Another Kent State in 3….2…..1
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:13am
- softail 1450
  
  Barryb ,any ideas about how we could arrange for a certain Dame to be detained in her room as Harvard disappears into ashes ??👍👍
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:22am
  - BarryB
    
    I was going to ask if anyone had a way of getting a few gallons of gas and some matches to them but thought that might been seen as hate speech…… yes of course I hate these idiots – they are consigning themselves and everyone else to a life of misery and despondency. But then I thought ‘Bugger them- let them exist in their own mess’.
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:57am
    - jkt
      
      The bigots often consign those without the ability to think for themselves to misery.
      
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      May 1, 2024 12:23pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Smoke – on the water
  There’s fire in the sky
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:02pm
Maggie Pie

The case against that nasty Eli Rubishtyn, the guy who assaulted womens-rights-advocate Posie Parker in Albert Park, was due to be heard yesterday in the Aucland District Court.
Yet I see where once again it has been postponed.
Now until May 28th. No reason given.

Are they hoping if they keep delaying, people might forget about it?
Some are saying it reeks of political interference 🙁
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May 1, 2024 8:15am
- Scott
  
  Just on the subject of this whole trans business I see some good news has emerged from Britain – “The NHS is to declare that sex is a matter of biology in a landmark shift against gender ideology.
  
  Changes to the health service’s written constitution proposed by ministers will for the first time ban trans women from women-only wards, and give women the right to request a female doctor for intimate care. ”
  
  So common sense is starting a come back. Personally I think this whole trans business is demonic foolishness but I guess that’s just me. 😎
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:24am
  - kowtow
    
    No common sense .
    
    The govt there are facing a wipeout at coming election and have decided to pretend they have some gumption.
    
    Too little ,too late.
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:27am
    - jkt
      
      Now we need the privy council to decide on what a man and a woman is.
      Hell, what 🙀 is going on?
      
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      May 1, 2024 12:25pm
      - kowtow
        
        Same in Oz .
        
        NZ connection too .
        
        very little in our te media about it.
        
        Again credit to The Platform.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CwsvW-EOv0
        
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        May 1, 2024 1:18pm
      - jkt
        
        Kowtow:
        This is a biggie.
        
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        May 1, 2024 4:19pm
      - jkt
        
        The judgement will impact on a United Nations declaration on human rights … so yes, Kowtow is correct, one would have expected more of a spotlight on this case in our mainstream media.
        
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        May 2, 2024 9:41am
- Souvlaki
  
  And on the subject of ‘ political interference’…..do you know if Karel Sroubek is still in NZ or has he beebn successfully deported??
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:55am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP YIP. He’s still here.
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:10am
  - RoboRob
    
    I believe Maggie posted the response to an OIA on that the other day. The answer was NO he has not been deported.
    
    Perhaps a request to the minister for why Sroubek and Dot Com (my personal pet peeve) remain in he country might be in order?
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:15am
    - jkt
      
      Human rights.
      
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      May 1, 2024 12:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I can’t tell you on here, but there sure is a reason why he is still here.
    Let’s just say political interference.
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:01am
    - imalwaysright
      
      “Interference fit” perhaps, if you get my drift Steve.
      
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      May 1, 2024 10:17am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Different from that.
        
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        May 1, 2024 12:55pm
- softail 1450
  
  MP, From what I’ve heard He/She is so busy trying to find a job it can’t turn up to court,LOL.
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:24am
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    He/she/it?
    
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    May 1, 2024 12:41pm
- Che Guava
  
  “womens-rights-advocate Posie Parker ”
  
  We need to be able to say what we mean about what is real. Isn’t she anti-trans, and only incidentally women’s rights?
  
  Let’s be and say what most of us really are, which is anti-trans, and stop dressing things up in an attempt to not upset people. At this point, people need to start getting upset.
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:56am
  - rouppe
    
    No, she is pro-woman.
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:41am
    - Che Guava
      
      They aren’t at all mutually exclusive, but the one obfuscates about the other. If she’s just pro-women, then what does this stance have to do with so-called trans people?
      
      Why is the Posie Parker affair inexorably associated with trannies getting upset? Because it’s really about repudiating trannies (and the trannies know this), but it is made more respectable by couching the issue in pro-women terms, because this is the safe option that skirts the real issue.
      
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      May 1, 2024 11:05am
      - mogg
        
        To ask that question you are either stupid or wilfully ignorant.
        
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        May 1, 2024 12:11pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        If you cant figure out why Parker is pro women and not simply anti trans you are obviously uninformed.
        
        No surprise.
        
        Go find her on youtube and watch what she actually says. Educate yourself
        
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        May 1, 2024 12:23pm
      - jkt
        
        Che:
        I gave you an uptick.
        
        But you deliberately took advantage of a badly constructed or deliberately incorrect comment.
        
        Posie is clearly a women’s right advocate. This does not make her a feminist or an anti-trans activist.
        
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        May 1, 2024 12:48pm
      - Taieri
        
        this is the safe option that skirts the real issue
        ———–
        
        And what is the real issue?
        An official encouragement of mental illness?
        
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        May 1, 2024 1:18pm
      - Che Guava
        
        jkt
        “I gave you an uptick. But you deliberately took advantage of a badly constructed or deliberately incorrect comment.”
        
        First, thanks for being enough of a sport to give an uptick to an obviously bad person such as I.
        
        Second, 95% of all my comments take advantage of badly constructed or deliberately incorrect comments from other commenters, so my comments on Posie Parker just continue this general trend.
        
        I shouldn’t need to parse it out, but my point is this: we need to control and dictate the framing rather than try to fit our arguments into “accepted” existing liberal ones. I reject liberalism, so I’m not going to argue from liberal premises.
        
        Let’s reject transgenderism on its intrinsic attributes and in itself, rather than saying that it’s bad just because of an effect it has on women’s rights.
        
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        May 1, 2024 4:00pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        I find myself, after many years of contemplation and consideration firmly in the Pro-sanity and Anti-lunacy camp, which overlaps a lot with the Pro-reality and Anti-fantasy camp. This does lead me to an anti-trans position which I would frame as anti-trans ideology not anti any particular trans individuals, I liked and even admired Georgina Beyer for example, take people as you find them.
        The Wachowski brothers (whom I have never met) are now the Wachowski sisters. After they got what must have been a couple of hundred million from Hollywood for their “Matrix” movies, those guys, who were already deep into the dark waters of transhuman fantasy, decided to build a submarine to take them even further down.
        Those guys are loons, highly intelligent and creative loons but loons non the less.
        Posy Parker is not a loon or a shit stirring radical, she is a sensible if slightly annoyed woman. She is even married to a man, and I believe has two children, both of which I presume are humans, she probably even has the desire to be a grandma someday.
        All perfectly normal, even admirable stuff. She is addressing the trans issue because the trans issue is here today. Fifty years ago, a woman like her would have been collecting for orphans in Africa and fifty years before that she would have been knitting socks for soldiers in the trenches.
        She is sane, the world around her has gone mad.
        
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        May 1, 2024 6:51pm
    - jkt
      
      No.
      Pro woman’s rights.
      
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      May 1, 2024 12:43pm
    - jkt
      
      I am not a particular fan of pro women, that is more like …….. Trump domain, right?
      
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      May 1, 2024 12:51pm
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    I’m pro woman, but I also really don’t like transvestites being forced upon me.
    
    As with anything, do what you like, but I don’t have to like it or beleive in your fantasy.
    
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    May 1, 2024 12:02pm
    - Che Guava
      
      Indeed. Can someone please tell the trannies to stop ramming themselves down the public throat? I’m gagging over here.
      
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      May 1, 2024 4:04pm
  - zulumonster
    
    Over decades women have fought for and gained rights and protections that we now take for granted. Those rights and protections are enshrined (in western circles at least) and there is no need for Posie Parker to rail against the parts of society that do not pose a threat to women.
    Where there is a threat to women she is clearly stating her position, and it is very clearly a position to protect women. It just so happens that the trans community is the one threatening those rights.
    I am not anti-trans, but I support Posie Parker’s stance.
    
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    May 1, 2024 12:50pm
    - Che Guava
      
      It may offend many to point this out, but the Western world was ascendant when women had few rights. It’s almost like women’s rights become a thing only in the ashes of a civilisation, and aren’t a precondition for its growth. Their rights used to be derived from their relationship to their husbands, and perhaps it’s no surprise that as they gained more and more “rights” fewer and fewer of them have husbands.
      
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      May 1, 2024 4:08pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        Women generally want to marry “up”. As they’ve becoming more emancipated and more high achieving the men (unfortunately) have failed to raise their game accordingly. The women want to get married, but not to weaklings and not to drongos. The problem lies with the men.
        
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        May 1, 2024 8:31pm
      - jkt
        
        Parts of the world where women’s rights continue to be suppressed is not in ascendancy compared to the Western countries.
        
        The Western world is not in decline, but if it is then I have not seen any evidence that to the decline results from the ascendancy of women.
        
        Democracy continues to be scarce but even democracy is in ascendancy if one analyses the data.
        
        The fact that a lower percentage of women have husbands and a lower percentage of men have multiple wives …. well yeah, that is correct.
        
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        May 1, 2024 8:41pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        jkt
        ‘The Western world is not in decline,’- it clearly is.
        
        ‘but if it is then I have not seen any evidence…’
        Well, frankly, your ignorance doesn’t surprise me.
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:20pm
      - jkt
        
        Red
        A roof over the head of those who display anti-social behaviour and the poor should be our priority. Your “indifference” shows when you fail to value the role that high density housing can play in housing those who need help.
        
        Your response is typical though.
        
        I just wonder how your “friends” will react when they find out that you are just another closet capitalist conservative.
        
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All_on_Red

New Polling- its a close race
‘New Emerson College Polling/The Hill swing state polls find President Biden trailing former President Trump in the states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin; the differences are within each survey’s margin of error.’
‘Independent voters break for Trump over Biden in Arizona (48%-38%), Michigan (44%-35%), Nevada (43%-37%), Pennsylvania (49%-33%), and North Carolina (41%-38%). However they break for Biden over Trump in Georgia (42%-38%) and Wisconsin (44%-41%),”
‘When third-party candidates are included on the ballot, support is pulled away from Biden more than Trump in five states: Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Support is drawn evenly from each candidate in Arizona and Michigan.’
https://emersoncollegepolling.com/trump-holds-edge-over-biden-in-seven-key-swing-state-polls/

Note the Poll surveys Registered Voters. I have always thought surveying Likely Voters was more accurate. And of course National Polls are pointless.
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May 1, 2024 8:15am
- Colville
  
  Voter apathy is going to be the decider.
  Will moderate Dems vote for Joe the Demented?
  Will moderate GOPs vote for Don the serial liar/constantly in court?
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:30am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Pity the American voter.
    
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    May 1, 2024 8:47am
  - softail 1450
    
    Colville ,more importantly will the old Joe White House be able to energise the dead as they did in 2020/2022?
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not just the dead. The vote counters are being taught how to change the memory chip in the machines, to switch the vote over to Biden.
      
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      May 1, 2024 10:08am
      - jkt
        
        Dead right!
        There is no argument, whatever the judges say.
        
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        May 1, 2024 12:55pm
  - kowtow
    
    It’ll probably again be down to the ballot harvesters , not the individual voter who actually turns up at a booth .
    
    Talk about “election interference”!
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:29am
- G152
  
  Watch the lawfare against Trump grow.
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:46am
  - jkt
    
    He sort of brought it onto himself, right?
    
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    May 1, 2024 4:22pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      More ignorance.
      Perhaps you should stick to commenting on things you know about
      Probably go down to 3 comments a day
      Heh
      
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      May 1, 2024 9:23pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You realise they are the states that go either way, Biden win most of those states last time by a long way
  
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  May 1, 2024 12:36pm
Maggie Pie

Yet another useless Hamas-hugging antisemite looking to bludge off the taxpayer.

Buy your own bus fares….. LOSER!

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1785062756359585797
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May 1, 2024 8:33am
- pdm
  
  Maggie I noticed the Green sheilas flaunting their Palestinian/Hama support in Parliament yesterday.
  
  Can Big Gerry put an end to this unprofessional, contemptable behaviour?
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Gerry always looks to me like he’s having too much fun to do anything 😀
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:04am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      What a contrast to Trevor Mallard.
      
      Remember when he falsely accused a parliamentary worker of being a rapist?
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/441825/trevor-mallard-accuses-man-of-sexual-assault-in-parliament-debate#:~:text=The%20Opposition%20has%20repeatedly%20tried,he%20sexually%20assaulted%20a%20woman.
      
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      May 1, 2024 9:53am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I didn’t pick that up. I thought they were all wearing some new party uniform. TBH they all looked much smarter and tidy than usual.
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:26am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  I see this spokesperson (Ill assume she doesn’t identify as a woman despite clearly being one) is called Hana Pilkinton-Ching.
  
  Is that the sound she makes when dropped from a height by the homosexual loving hamas folks she supports?
  
  As for bus subsidies, best thing the labour government ever did, making the Wellington airport bus super cheap for old rich gits like me. Nothing like a blunderbuss (!) solution to a non-problem.
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:54am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  If only it was the end of bus fare subsidies
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:06pm
graham

The Herald has a story (Premium) on how Maiki Sherman’s reporting of the poll results on Monday has attracted approximately 50 complaints through the Formal Complaints process, which compares to last year’s average of 6 per day.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/media-insider-tvnz-political-poll-coverage-pm-former-labour-mp-criticise-political-editors-report-broadcaster-dealing-with-50-formal-complaints/O7ISTN6DHZC6VOHSQMWCRAZZMI/

And it’s not just right-wing supporters raising their eyebrows. Apparently former Labour MP Stuart Nash told Heather du Plessis-Allan, “I thought the TV One reporting on it was absolutely shocking, if I’m honest with you.

“I thought the tone that they portrayed was the sort of tone you do three weeks out from an election, not two and a half years,” Nash said.

“Two and a half years out from an election and there’s a big graphic on the TV saying Labour, Greens and Te Pāti Māori can form a government. What?

“The chances of there being an election are about zero, so be a little bit more staid in your reporting. A little bit more balance, a little bit more pragmatic.

“You can report on this. Just don’t get all melodramatic.”

This from a former Labour MP!!

But will TVNZ pay the slightest bit of attention to this? Like hell they will.
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May 1, 2024 8:36am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  And the MSM wonder why they are hated so much – and still scream for taxpayer funding.
  
  Saw a snarky little article yesterday about the ACT Arts spokesperson. Funny that we saw zero snarky articles about labour folks for 6 years.
  
  Hey MSM, hurry up and die would you?
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:56am
- kowtow
  
  Will the Herald pay any attention.
  
  Today’s cartoon is all about that poll showing the 3 leaders falling .
  
  Ridiculous.
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:32am
  - jkt
    
    Irony.
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:04pm
- mogg
  
  It’s not just TV one, last night TV 3 News had big coverage of the Verian poll with extended coverage of all the implications, and interviews as to why the coalition govt is ‘failing’.
  They are both in it together, attempting to re-write history and by implication absolving Hipkins/Labour of their shambolic six years of ‘progressive’incompetence.
  
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  May 1, 2024 10:10am
- Scooter
  
  I wonder if TVNZ wants to do Luxie on Maiki, i.e DCM
  
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  May 1, 2024 10:18am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

He is going to win big – unless he is assassinated.
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May 1, 2024 8:36am
- greybeard
  
  Bigly.
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:54am
- jkt
  
  Imagine how many votes he will get if that happens to him. Winning strategy for MAGA!
  
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  May 1, 2024 1:06pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    And you’re TDS sufferer
    What a surprise
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:24pm
- mawm
  
  SO – he’s going to win a large majority of the votes. Different thing.
  
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  May 1, 2024 1:23pm
Taieri

Buy your own bus fares….. LOSER!
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Active transport is the way to go. Walk…
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May 1, 2024 8:38am
kiwikidsnz

This speaks for itself:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/otago-university-launches-new-maori-name-and-new-logo/H3N3PHAO4VG5PNTJJNF2RDQFV4/
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May 1, 2024 8:42am
- Grunter
  
  Like most (if not all) of our Universities, Otago has been taken over by a bunch of woke socialists who believe in some abstract made-up version of the Treaty of Waitangi that encourages segregation and special privileges for Maori, and weirdly, Pasifika students.
  
  Otago’s financial survival rests on its ability to attract high-paying foreign students or convince the central government to increase its taxpayer funding. Neither of these will happen in time to avoid the financial carnage.
  
  Otago’s current plan for its growing debt and ongoing annual deficits is to spend more and borrow more. And it’s foreign student strategy is to target Tonga, Samoa, Fiji, Cook Islands, etc.
  
  This will soon be fixed of course by that very pragmatic and anti-woke former Finance Minister//
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The James Freeman version of the Treaty is all that has been taught since the Waitangi Tribunal was formed in 1975. They are brainwashed.
    The Littlewood Draft is the true Treaty.
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:35am
- Dave
  
  Apparently, Ōtākou Whakaihu Waka is ‘a metaphor meaning A Place of Many Firsts’, though Google translate, minus the macrons, says ‘Otakou vehicle’.
  
  Quite how the average punter will understand and believe the metaphor I don’t know. According to the university website its world ranking is 206, so not bad, but not first either. Perhaps becoming Tiriti-led with lots of traditional indigenous knowledge will make it number one. Or not.
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:49am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Foreign student, from republican USA telling us the concepts of a Crown and Queens chain are foreign colonial concepts to be removed.
  
  Who is the coloniser here?
  
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  May 1, 2024 10:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Unless that person’s a “native” Indian ( who were in any event settler migrants from the Asian landmass , prior to the most recent , warming 20 -30 000 years ago ) , he too is a colonial settler.
    
    These people need a severe lesson in history and self awareness.
    
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    May 1, 2024 11:27am
- Bobba Fret
  
  The university obviously has money to burn to pay for marketing and re branding.
  
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  May 1, 2024 3:10pm
  - Rumblestrip
    
    $1.3 million (estimated cost – and watch it grow). An elective spending decision made at a time of supposedly extreme financial stringency.
    
    When I made a critical comment to a senior university employee, she spluttered that the branding “comes from a different budget” – as if that explains anything at all.
    
    My impression is that the university management is constitutionally incapable of reigning in their spending, and Grant Robertson will do zilch to change that attitude.
    
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    May 1, 2024 4:50pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Meh. $1.3m is only two years worth of Grant Robertson.
    
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    May 1, 2024 8:10pm
mikenmildagain

The Russkies have cloned Wikipedia, conformed it to their state-approved version of the world, and banned the original:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-04-25/In_the_media
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May 1, 2024 8:46am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Given (a) how largely useless Wikipedia information is and (b) how incredibly painfully woke their board have become…good.
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:57am
- Dave
  
  Deleted – in the wrong place.
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:46am
Maggie Pie

So, after donating $500,000.00 of taxpayer money to Jacinda Ardern earlier this year,
will Lux now be forced to DEFUND the ‘Christchurch Call’ due to public pressure?

https://iheart.com/podcast/211-heather-du-plessis-allan-d-24837940/episode/milton-mueller-internet-governance-project-founder-172148755/
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May 1, 2024 9:01am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  I hope so 🤞
  
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  May 1, 2024 10:30am
Yvette

On the Waitangi Tribunal website –
The term used in the te reo Māori text, ‘kawanatanga’, was a transliteration of the word ‘governance’, which was then in current use. Māori understanding of this word came from familiar use in the New Testament of the Bible (when referring to the likes of Pontius Pilate), and from their knowledge of the role of the Governor of New South Wales, whom they referred to as ‘Kawana’.
https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/treaty-of-waitangi/meaning-of-the-treaty/

Also on the Waitangi Tribunal website –
6. ’Government’: ‘kawanatanga’. There could be no possibility of the Māori signatories having any understanding of government in the sense of ‘sovereignty’: ie, any understanding on the basis of experience or cultural precedent.
https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/treaty-of-waitangi/translation-of-te-reo-maori-text/

And the above to be just one instance where the Waitangi Tribunal seems to contradict itself, before any argument that 1840s Maori in making a request that the Crown rule “unruly” settlers did not spot treaty wording which referred to themselves being ruled.

However, the entire governance scene has become so muddied now, particularly after actions of the previous Labour Coalition “Government”, that a government law is now overdue to merely assert again that Government actually has the right to govern.

Does Luxon disapprove of that?

Does anyone – besides Labour, some Maori, some non-Maori Maori and the Waitangi Tribunal – disagree with that?
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May 1, 2024 9:03am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It doesn’t just say ‘kawanatanga’. It says ‘ake tonu atu-te Kawanatanga katoa’, essentially ‘complete government forever’.
  
  This makes it very clear. You don’t give that up if you intend to retain sovereignty.
  
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  May 1, 2024 10:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This is Julian Batchelor.
  The first 30 minutes tell what happened and how the corruption started.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgY03s6Tqc
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:05am
MCōs

International Workers Day, comrades!
Also
Feast of St Joseph the carpenter

Jesus to Mary: where do babies come from?
Joseph: yeah, Mary, where do babies come from?
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May 1, 2024 9:03am
- kowtow
  
  Now do one on Buddha .
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:33am
  - jkt
    
    Chicken!🐔
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:11pm
Anthony Melchett

In the latest installment of NZ’s dirtiest little secret…

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/otara-baby-death-hefty-sentence-for-father-who-beat-baby-to-death-but-identity-still-kept-secret/

“The final blow, as he braced the infant’s head with one hand and punched with the other, perforated the child’s bowel”

It’s whitey this time surely?

Nope, and it’s not a Maori either because they would have admitted nothing and got away with it (just ask baby Ru)

This time it’s one of our pacific island visitors who is actually going to do time but has received name suppression due to his parents not wanting to take responsibility for the piece of crap they have raised.

Nice to see the murderer up on domestic violence charges as well while waiting for his murder conviction. Sounds like a great human.

I cant understand why the police withdrew these charges because he was already on the hook for murder. Is it pay for one, get the cheaper one free now?

The mother of the dead infant has forgiven him though so all is well. I’m guessing she said that to avoid another beating herself.
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May 1, 2024 9:06am
- julesnzuk
  
  So this piece of shit, who punched a baby to death, has name suppression because his parents fear reprisal in their Pacific village??? How the hell is that NZ’s problem or the concern of our soaking wet judiciary? This crap makes my blood boil.
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:32am
  - Sacha
    
    They should all be sent back home.
    As should all non New Zealand-born residents. Let them be dealt with by the society that raised them and their children.
    We have enough of our own to deal with.
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:20am
    - jkt
      
      The bastards won’t have me back.
      
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      May 1, 2024 1:13pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Cant understand why…
        Sigh, another import I guess
        
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        May 1, 2024 9:25pm
- David Garrett
  
  Anthony: Is it pay for one, get the cheaper one free now?
  
  That’s exactly what it is, and it has been that way forever in this country. Rape is not uncommonly followed by a murder. If convicted, the murderer gets “life” with a minimum non parole period (NPP). That period is NEVER increased because of the rape that preceded the murder.
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:33am
  - David Garrett
    
    The most recent such case I can think of is that of Paul Tainui, one of the 13 or so men still alive in NZ who have murdered twice.
    
    Before he killed his last victim, he raped her over an extended period. He got “life” with a minimum NPP of 28 years. He would have got something like that anyway, without the rape. Why was it not LWOP? Surely if you kill twice LWOP is the only just sentence?
    
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    May 1, 2024 9:40am
    - Omni Consumer Products
      
      Castration with a rusty spoon is the only just sentence.
      
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      May 1, 2024 10:02am
      - David Garrett
        
        Onmi: Unfortunately castration doesn’t always work.
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:24am
      - Ghost
        
        It’s pointless as well. I’ve seen cases where a pedophile has taken castration for an early release and been arrested for raping a child using an object
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:33am
      - Omni Consumer Products
        
        I thought expiration following untreated infection from the rust was implied.
        My bad.
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:40am
    - Sacha
      
      I saw a 48hours doc where a man got 42 Life sentences, WITH NO CHANCE OF PAROLE!
      (and let that be a lesson to you!)
      
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      May 1, 2024 10:26am
      - Omni Consumer Products
        
        Was that Darrell Brooks?
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:40am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      IIRC there are about 20 Life without parole prisoners in Australia with many more than that doing sentences with non parole periods of well north of 30 years. Maybe they have nastier criminals 🙁
      
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      May 1, 2024 10:32am
      - David Garrett
        
        Bene: You are quite right – Australian sentences for murder are way tougher than those handed out here. Kill two people in Oz and you will only be leaving prison in a box.
        
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        May 1, 2024 10:40am
      - MCōs
        
        One problem I’ve heard in America where Lwop is far more common is these old dudes become a burden on the state.
        A guy might be sentenced thus at twenty and fifty years later he’s a different person with potentially all manner of health problems
        Who’s the life sentence for? The convict or the the state that is burdened with the bloke?
        
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        May 1, 2024 2:46pm
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    Surely the sentences should be done one after the other.
    
    What would I know, I’m only a dumb engineer
    
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    May 1, 2024 10:08am
    - MCōs
      
      The last thing the construction industry needs is dumb engineers!
      
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      May 1, 2024 2:49pm
- kowtow
  
  Where’s that nasty Marama Davidson now.
  
  or the other legions of apologists .
  
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  May 1, 2024 9:36am
Maggie Pie

“WE WANT PEACE!”

then….

“INTIFADA NOW!”

Honestly, do any of them have a CLOO why they’re even there? 😎

https://twitter.com/JulietMosesNZ/status/1785047375016526313
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May 1, 2024 9:25am
- Che Guava
  
  Juliet Moses isn’t a neutral observer pointing out what she sees as the hypocrisy here, she’s a representative of the Jewish people via the NZ Jewish Council (literally organised Jewry btw, which is thus obviously not a far-right anti-semitic conspiracy theory). There’s plenty of hypocrisy evident on her team too, not the least of which is their invoking the Jewish genocide narrative as partial justification for Israel’s own prima facie genocide of Palestinians.
  
  “Never Again! (unless again is good for us)”
  
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  May 1, 2024 10:17am
  - mandk
    
    There is no genocide of Palestinians, prima facie or otherwise.
    
    The Israelis could kill all the Palestinians, but they have no desire or intention of doing so. There are approximately 5.5 million Palestinians, of whom approx 35,000 have been killed in the current conflict (if you believe Hamas). The claimed number killed is therefore 0.6% of the population.
    
    On the other hand, the Palestinians would like to kill all the Israelis, but don’t have the means.
    
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    May 1, 2024 11:13am
    - Che Guava
      
      “There is no genocide of Palestinians, prima facie or otherwise.”
      
      Then why have the Israelis been asked to cease and desist what they are doing in Gaza, on the grounds that if they don’t, a genocide will have been perpetated?
      
      ” … South Africa’s case alleging that Israel is violating the Genocide Convention, Human Rights Watch said today. The court adopted “provisional measures,” or binding orders, that include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.”
      
      https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide
      
      “On the other hand, the Palestinians would like to kill all the Israelis, but don’t have the means.”
      
      Then why is Israel justifying itself by claiming the clear and present danger that you are denying?
      
      So many questions and so many contradictions in the attempts to answer them.
      
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      May 1, 2024 11:58am
      - Cassandra
        
        You really do write a lot of nonsense, Che. Nazis did genocide. Turks did it to the Armenians. Israel is not. Stop posting rubbish.
        
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        May 1, 2024 12:56pm
      - jkt
        
        Cease and desist.
        The “order” comes from people living oceans away.
        
        I could bore you with my analysis but why waste my time.
        
        Death Cult! Should be convincing enough for any person who treasures rational thinking.
        
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        May 1, 2024 1:23pm
Inandout

Parts of Europe may be slowly going Muslim and certain areas becoming shit holes because of massive Arab immigration. Biden has fast tracked the shit hole areas by his unfettered illegal immigration and in this case NY has seen a large increase in crime and prostitution.
https://westobserver.com/nypd-confronts-migrant-vendors-at-notorious-nyc-block-with-illegal-street-market-and-prostitution/
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May 1, 2024 9:42am
Maggie Pie

“Chris Luxon says he will donate wage rise to charity”

https://twitter.com/NewshubPolitics/status/1785388210975367309

People with knowledge of the matter but who wish to remain anonymous,
are saying the PM’s charity of choice is ‘Destiny Church’
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May 1, 2024 10:01am
- imalwaysright
  
  Why would they want to remain anonymous ?
  They should take some inspiration from Brian Tamaki and speak freely and bear the consequences or enjoy the plaudits.
  NZ is a fearful place.
  
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  May 1, 2024 10:36am
- graham
  
  I’d be a bit surprised at that … I don’t think he’s on record as ever having had anything to do with Destiny. In interviews he’s said that he hasn’t been to church for a few years, but prior to that he was known to attend a church in Newmarket called the Upper Room.
  
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  May 1, 2024 10:37am
  - Omni Consumer Products
    
    Obvious joke is obvious?….
    
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    May 1, 2024 11:03am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Maggie Pie’ is a Parody account- an artificial construct, so suggest you don’t take anything ‘she’ says seriously
    
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    May 1, 2024 11:13am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      That’s what I think but you can never tell these days 🙁 She makes fun of my Toyota Celica which is a low blow even for parodies. 🙁
      
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      May 1, 2024 11:17am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Don’t take any notice of A_O_R Bene.
        He’s just another ghey misogynist and one of lifes losers.
        Even admits he uses Public Transport.
        
        SHEESH!
        
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        May 1, 2024 11:26am
    - Damocles11
      
      Why do people create ‘parody accounts’ and not just be their authentic selves? The ‘humour’ is one note and vague at the best of times.
      
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      May 1, 2024 11:28am
      - Omni Consumer Products
        
        Creative outlets come in numerous guises.
        
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        May 1, 2024 12:24pm
      - Paul
        
        Good grief, you want to control others ?
        What are you like in the Mall ?
        
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        May 1, 2024 1:19pm
    - Inandout
      
      AoR, go easy on Maggie as she/he/they provide X links that save me doing my own searching.
      
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      May 1, 2024 11:38am
- Damocles11
  
  Weren’t you wrong yesterday about what ‘Prue’ said over the back fence or at tennis about Maiki Sherman and the ACT chief of staff? In fact it was Jenna Lynch for TV3, and you had to be corrected. Are you into malicious gossip & rumours, or verified facts?
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:07am
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    She’s not pretending to be Encyclopedia Britannica, just a bit of gossip and humour.
    Relax.
    
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    May 1, 2024 11:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Maggie Pie didn’t state that as a fact… in fact, she specifically asked:
    
    Does anyone know if that’s ACTually troo?
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/04/general_debate_30_april_2024.html#comment-3550917
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:04pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Exactly Maggz. ‘Damo’ would be yet another one that twists everything to suit his own lefty agenda. And obviously had a personality bypass at birth 😀
      
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      May 1, 2024 1:23pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Sad when people have no sense of humour
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:51pm
Ehlana

Today’s tale of woe from the public sector trenches:
“One of our employees works with his sister to lease plants to public sector officers, and last week a whole lot of contracts were cancelled and the plants needed to go somewhere … It just feels really sad that we can’t even afford people good offices that have things like plants,”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/515533/public-service-plants-made-redundant-seek-refuge-at-trade-union-orphanage

I wonder how many NZ workers have never, in their whole careers, had their employer rent plants for their workspace.
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- Benedict Yu
  
  Here is an idea. If workers on a floor want plants for the office, pitch in $20 each. Then go down to the garden entre to buy some plants.
  
  I bet a cha su pork bun that the folk “renting” the plants will charge a small fortune. They will mimic the prices charged by caterers to provide lunches for public service lunch time meetings in Wellington. You would not believe the prices they charge for terrible food 🙁 I told a couple of them that I could arrange someone to cater good food at half the price. I then got a lecture about ‘preferred suppliers’.
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:02am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    ‘Preferred suppliers’ is an MBIE scam.
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:48pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Indistinguishable from parody:
  
  “It’s just this idea that we need to make savings and we’ll make them everywhere, it seems an onslaught, even down to your plants.”
  
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  May 1, 2024 12:35pm
- artemisia
  
  One of my teams decided each person would bring in a plant and look after it. Worked brilliantly. One person brought in a rather pretty once-was-weed but now in the right place so all good.
  
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  May 1, 2024 4:14pm
Jack5

Send your student kids or grandkids to Otago?

Otago University continues to slide. It must be the must Woke university in Australasia.

There’s more fuss about its Maori name (first link below), and a Woke White American takes over as student leader.

What a bloody mess and Labour’s chief money printer, Grant Robertson, on his triple-MP salary as new boss, won’t help.

You can read a censored interview with the American lass at the second link.

The Herald report, written by the American student leader Herself:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/we-had-to-change-our-university-name-and-logo-to-reflect-who-we-are-not-some-random-coat-of-arms-keegan-wells/66KAU7JG3BDD3AA6YVF7Q46INQ/

And the Otago student magazine gives its version of free speech with an interview with the American student leader (presumably she had the final say in the censorship):

https://www.critic.co.nz/culture/article/10887/an-interview-with-your-new-student-president-keega
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May 1, 2024 10:48am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Rather, we are Ōtākou Whakaihu Waka. A Te Tiriti-led university in the South Pacific.”
  
  I benefited greatly from my university studies. However, I would not encourage any young person to go to a university in New Zealand. (The top Australian universities are better, but even they are becoming infected.).
  
  My exceptions would be someone who is passionate about becoming a doctor, engineer or scientist. You don’t have any choice. But if your child is leaving school and wants to go to university because ‘they can’t think of anything else’ then no. Go ‘find yourself’ on an Australian cattle station or mine, not at Otago University.
  
  For those inclined, excelling in a trade can provide reliable employment and a good income.
  
  For those who do excel in physics and mathematics, I would urge any young person to look at commercial pilot training. Despite what the climate change alarmists want, airlines are going to boom for the next 30 years. If you train at a good flight school in Australia or New Zealand, you can work anywhere in the world. (Just avoid Pakistan, and most of Africa 🙁
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:28am
  - Grunter
    
    Good advice BY.
    
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    May 1, 2024 11:39am
  - Philview
    
    ‘Te Tiriti led University’ To put it another way ‘we are an inward looking University with an ethno nationalist ethos’
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:21pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Fencing is a good deal. Have tried to get a fencer for about 3 days work for 3-5 men and machines for 18months. Local electrician is turning over 1m per year.
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:54pm
  - Terry Dalee
    
    Actually, go get a trade first THEN do your commercial pilots license, while working in your trade.
    The guys who had a trade were sitting pretty during COVID when we all got made redundant as Pilots.
    
    A lot went back to building. Then when the music came on again, they went back flying.
    
    Don’t let the math thing throw you. The hardest math I’d probably do daily is subtraction and addiction with the tiniest bit of trig thrown in there…
    I would actually say, basic programming would be more these days as it pervades everything. If you can string a basic program together and learn how to automate stuff on software, that is far more valuable.
    Africa is actually ok. Its Papua New Guinea you got to watch out for. High terrain, short airstrips and “friendly” locals.
    
    Go learn to fly in Australia, the aviation industry is recognised for what it is over here in Oz, a vital part of the infrastructure and economy. You can’t just chuck stuff on a truck overnight and drive it across the country. If you want it overnight, it’s gotta fly.
    
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    May 1, 2024 7:36pm
- Jack5
  
  The Otago Daily Times report of the name change includes:
  
  Deputy vice-chancellor, Māori Jacinta Ruru said the new reo name would be used throughout the university’s engagements.
  
  ‘‘It’s more than 150 years since we’ve done something as significant as this.”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/campus/new-chapter-otago-university
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:29am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Yeah, changed a University founded by Scot’s to Maori. Stephen Higgs head has been hung in shame for years, but now he should live in disgrace. Under his stewardship the University has gone from one disaster to another. To take a leaf from Jeremy Clarkson, “I’m dreaming of the day when he [Higgs] is made to parade naked through the streets of every part of Dunedin while the crowds chant ‘Shame!’ and throw lumps of excrement at him.”
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:18pm
- imalwaysright
  
  She writes as if she is pissed.
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:38am
- Inandout
  
  Jack, Ōtākou Whakaihu Waka, or as an Aussie would say, OWW.
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:43am
  - zulumonster
    
    Not even OWW …
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:24pm
- kowtow
  
  Not a word or nod to those wise Presbyterian Scots who founded the place out of the very best of motives.
  
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  May 1, 2024 12:11pm
  - Burtland
    
    in their favor the guys did wear skirts
    
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    May 1, 2024 5:27pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Firstly, how the hell has Keegan managed to waste 6 years being a student at OU? Secondly, the coat of arms is not random. The blazon of the arms is Azure, on a saltire cantoned between four mullets of six points Or, a book, gilt-edged and bound in a cover Gules charged with a mullet of six points of the second [i.e. Or] and a book-marker of the third [i.e. Gules] issuant from the page-foot, and in an Escrol under the same this Motto “Sapere Aude”. It was granted by The Right Honourable the Lord Lyon, King of Arms, the head of Lyon Court who was Scotland’s premier officer of arms). Keegan, as with most University politicians, has no idea about anything. And for the Herald to publish a shallow load of nonsense from her, just solidifies the Herald as the waste of space that it is.
  
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  May 1, 2024 1:12pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  When Victoria University tried to do this and Hipkins was the Education Minister, he was able to veto it. Has that changed?
  
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  May 1, 2024 1:25pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    No.
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:53pm
  - Paulus
    
    Did I see that Otago University is going to change its name to a Maori one, and could not care a stuff what anybody thinks – Ok, Mr. Vice Chancellor ?
    
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    May 1, 2024 2:04pm
- kowtow
  
  This is nothing less than a cultural revolution and these players are the modern NZ equivalent of Mao’s Red Guards .
  
  It will not end well.
  
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  May 1, 2024 1:44pm
Yvette

Milton Mueller: Internet Governance Project founder on backing out of the Christchurch Call
April 30, 2024
Newstalk ZB can reveal allegations the Christchurch Call has silenced members of its Advisory Network – and pressured them to not release critical reports of member countries.
Because of that, a group called the Internet Governance Project, has quit.
Project founder and Network reviewer, Milton Mueller says India wasn’t honouring its commitments.
“They really didn’t seem to have much of an official commitment to go along with the Christchurch Call at all, so we simply wrote that up.”
Meanwhile, the Government says it will soon reveal whether it will keep paying Dame Jacinda Ardern to work on the Christchurch Call.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/211-heather-du-plessis-allan-d-24837940/episode/milton-mueller-internet-governance-project-founder-172148755/

How much is Ardern payed to work on the Christchurch Call?
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May 1, 2024 10:50am
- John Loveridge
  
  We use the term “work” very loosely.
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:45am
- Master Mariner
  
  Tried listening to it but no luck due to I guess location ( Overseas) etc.
  Bugger.
  
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  May 1, 2024 1:14pm
  - jkt
    
    Report from Georgia Tech researcher. Volunteer.
    Lost confidence in Christ Church Call after receiving “treat” (advice) from “command centre” in NZ to pull their heads in. Governments may not like criticism.
    
    Georgia Tech withdrew their volunteered services. The guy was very circumspect, did not want to accuse anyone directly. Heather flummoxed, outraged with perceived (her) hypocrisy of governments.
    
    “Gravy trainish” paraphrase : everyone is in for the ride.
    
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    May 1, 2024 4:46pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Cheers JKT,
      
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      May 1, 2024 7:26pm
Maggie Pie

INTERESTING

Discovered a link on my partners phone earlier and thort it worth sharing.
Remember that guy who set himself on fire outside the NY Trump Trial?
Well, turns out he left a manifesto…..

https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside

People are saying it’s funny how the whole incident has gone so quite.
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May 1, 2024 10:52am
- MCōs
  
  Quite so
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:22am
- zulumonster
  
  that is awesome … the link to the Simpsons is the clincher …
  “As it turns out, dozens of the writers of The Simpsons went to Harvard. So I asked myself the question: If The Simpsons served the interests of organized crime, how would it do so? ” then,
  “And so, we realize the criminal truth of The Simpsons …”
  
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  May 1, 2024 1:33pm
Benedict Yu

Sydney is in for a week of heavy rain.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-weather-cold-fronts-heavy-rain-flash-flooding-looms-as-nsw-braces-for-wild-week/news-story/843f8dacfcc987fbafcb9f486ec980ec

It is amusing that a city, which climate scientists once predicted would endure permanent drought, has now had about 5 years of above average, even record rainfall, with spilling dams and floods. 🙂
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May 1, 2024 10:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Tim Flannery is an English (BA) graduate and an expert in mammalian fossils of Australia-New Guinea.
  
  He never studied climate science.
  
  https://www.advanceaustralia.org.au/_climate_scientists_humiliated_after_our_dams_spill_for_the_second_time_this_year
  
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  May 1, 2024 1:26pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    His book on the comparative ecological history of Australia, New Guinea, New Caledonia and New Zealand was excellent.
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:37pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, he writes well.
      
      But I wouldn’t consult him for a wart on my big toe, or for a climate outlook for the next week.
      
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      May 1, 2024 1:46pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        As you astutely note, he is not a climatologist, something he has in common with many prominent global warming deniers.
        
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        May 1, 2024 1:51pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        with many prominent global warming deniers.
        
        Who aren’t $ucking up $$$$$$$ of Government money on failed predictions.
        
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        May 1, 2024 3:16pm
      - cmm
        
        “Government money”.
        
        No, taxpayer money.
        
        The governments don’t really care because it isn’t their money.
        
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        May 1, 2024 3:33pm
    - Paul
      
      IS excellant, Mikey, not was excellent, unless the only excellence is yourself in situ.
      
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      May 1, 2024 2:02pm
      - Mike
        
        Ah, Muphry’s Law strikes again.
        
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        May 1, 2024 5:49pm
lifesgood

David Garrett, with reference to your comments regarding Sweden. I did go to Malmo recently, mainly because it was an easy drive over the bridge from Denmark. It is indeed a muslim shit hole as you say. I felt extremely un nerved walking around amongst the beautiful old buildings only to be glowered at by groups of muslims hanging around the streets and squares. They actually looked menacing. What has Sweden done to itself? I fear for the republic of Ireland now, it too is being invaded. I am curious to know why I couldn’t reply to your post on this, the only option under it was “Report”. Anyone know why this happens on some posts?
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May 1, 2024 11:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “I fear for the republic of Ireland now, it too is being invaded.”
  
  Folk in Ireland who protest against record migration levels have found themselves facing ‘hate speech’ charges. Specifically those who chanted “Irish Lives Matter”.
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-67566360
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:47am
  - kowtow
    
    Anarcho -tyranny.
    
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    May 1, 2024 12:09pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      kowtow’s found another term to misapply to anything he doesn’t like.
      
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      May 1, 2024 1:24pm
  - Jethrod
    
    It is perhaps time to reread Enoch Powells famous “rivers of blood speech” again.
    This was made in 1968 and could well be the initial awakening of the scourge of immigration.
    
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    May 1, 2024 12:17pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Migration, whether im- or em- has a much longer history than even Powell’s Roman foreseeing the Tiber foaming with blood.
      
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      May 1, 2024 1:26pm
  - kowtow
    
    BY
    
    Did you read that article you posted .
    
    It’s not the R o I , it’s West Belfast , a Catholic area of NI , which is part of the UK .And there’s no mention of a hate crime , it’s a “hate incident” and as far as I can see and am open to correction , there’s no mention of arrests for chants , it’s about graffiti and posters.
    
    As an aside I find it ironic that the BBC is quoting outraged people from Sinn Fein , a front for terrorism and a muppet from People Before Profits which google informs me is a Trotskyist outfit.
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:06pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Is the DUP also a ‘front for terrorism’?
      
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      May 1, 2024 2:29pm
- kowtow
  
  RoI ?
  
  Fuck ’em , the way they’ve embraced Hamas terror and the number of Palestine flags waved everywhere …….
  
  They must be schizophrenic and the explanation is all the sane Micks left years ago.
  
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  May 1, 2024 12:08pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Reunification of Ireland is coming.
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:27pm
  - MCōs
    
    My great grandfather left Ireland in 1881 because life was intolerable under UK rule and came to NZ where life was better under UK colonial rule
    He went to South Canterbury because that’s where a lot of Irish Catholics settled
    I’m told those who went further south around Otago didn’t get quite the same warm welcome
    
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    May 1, 2024 4:06pm
- MCōs
  
  35% of the population of Malmo are immigrants and less than 20% of those are from the ME
  About 12% of the population are Muslim
  
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  May 1, 2024 4:22pm
Chris Nisbet

Neshub headline…
“Revealed: The staggering amount of Kiwis worrying about money regularly
39 minutes ago”
Nobody has ever accused me of being a great exponent of the English language, but shouldn’t that be “number of Kiwis”?
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May 1, 2024 11:08am
- Inandout
  
  Chris, so after 39 minutes no worries?
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:12am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    That’s just what my phone took when I asked it to copy the link text.
    
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    May 1, 2024 11:36am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Last night TV3 news article about Measles they had the name on screen spelt Measels……
  ……the very next article was on the decline in NCEA achievement….
  Priceless.
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:12am
- MCōs
  
  I presume you mean Newshub
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:25am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    My bad. Maybe I can get a job at Newshub!
    😉
    
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    May 1, 2024 11:34am
- Che Guava
  
  Tbf, it should also really say “… regularly worrying about money.”
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:26am
- John Loveridge
  
  Yes it should. My 13-year-old daughter would be aghast – she’s all over those grammatical nuances. Our modern semi-literate journalists, raised and let loose on the world without crusty sub-editors to reign them in, have no idea.
  
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  May 1, 2024 11:50am
  - greybeard
    
    “rein them in”, Mr. Loveridge.
    Glasshouses and all that…..
    
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    May 1, 2024 12:40pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Muphry’s Law
      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eponymous_laws#Muphry.27s_law
      
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      May 1, 2024 1:19pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        Muphry got me.
        
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        May 1, 2024 7:59pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Ah, bugger. My phone’s auto-“correct” doing its best to destroy the remaining shreds of credibility I still cling to. 🙄
      
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      May 1, 2024 7:57pm
  - Lummox
    
    The reign of the crusty sub-editor is over. Rein them in.
    
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    May 1, 2024 1:03pm
- julesnzuk
  
  No, it should be number of New Zealanders. Newshub epitomise the dumbing down of New Zealand. Good riddance to them.
  
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  May 1, 2024 8:40pm
Ehlana

I think it’s been a long time since our news media had a good grasp of the English language.

Perhaps try https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/
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May 1, 2024 11:47am
Maggie Pie

WARNING – GRAPHIC CONTENT 🙁

Further to the earlier GD post above by Anthony M(@9:06am) in relation to the appalling murder of an 8 month old baby, I have been sent a copy of the Court Judgement.

Once again, if there was EVER a case for the return of the death penalty…. then surely this is yet another one?

https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/assets/cases/2024/2024-NZHC-1015.pdf

It makes for harrowing reading. Pity the poor jury.
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- mikenmildagain
  
  Even the (in)Sensible Sentencing Trust didn’t want to bring back the death penalty.
  
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  May 1, 2024 1:17pm
NothingLeft

bipedal robots learning to play soccer via AI simulation (pretty well) https://youtu.be/ET-MmoeSvXk
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May 1, 2024 12:27pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

The deputy leader of the opposiiton, Chirs Hipkins thinks NZ needs to do more to support Aderns woke-wank-fest Christchurch Call (which has achieved less than nothing) rather than focus on the cost of living crisis that his govt caused, or the NCEA result crisis cuased by him as Min of Education and his Mother
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May 1, 2024 12:43pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s amazing to think a government could do more than one thing at a time.
  
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  May 1, 2024 1:15pm
  - Paul
    
    Thinking isn’t amazing.
    
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    May 1, 2024 2:16pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Yeah, I know what you mean.
    After 6 years of that incompetent Labour Government it’s amazing to be able to expect the Government to achieve anything of value again.
    
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    May 1, 2024 3:15pm
Jack5

More joys from multiculturism …

A man, who had been on bail, appears to face charge of attempting to murder a young girl by cutting her throat. The report includes:

No family members were in court today as he entered the guilty pleas. The defendant, who moved to New Zealand from Fiji about 2005, was accompanied only by an interpreter.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/auckland-man-who-slit-childs-throat-at-rosehill-home-pleads-guilty-to-attempted-murder/POBXF345CFFEVATJVC3BCTAAXQ/
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May 1, 2024 1:10pm
- Keith White
  
  Imprisonment for the term of his natural life would be a measure of justice.
  
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  May 1, 2024 3:13pm
- cmm
  
  HTF do we have people immigrating to NZ who are not competent in English?
  
  He’s been here 20 years and he still needs an interpreter? How is that even employable? I’ll bet he’s a high user of taxpayer funds (and is now going to become even more so when he goes to prison).
  
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  May 1, 2024 3:31pm
cmm

Luxon says National are looking at the “root cause”. He mentions “root cause” more than once, but does not explicitly say what he believes the root cause is except for “inflation”.

Does inflation really cause unemployment? Sure, inflation reduces economic activity which can reduce some retail spending etc, but is that enough to explain unemployment increasing by almost half?

I would suggest a far more important contributor to unemployment is that being unemployed is a pretty good option, particularly if you have an illegal (or at least off-the-books) side gig.

We are importing tens of thousands of foreigners to fill roles, so the employment is clearly there.

Do we really have an unemployment problem or a getting-off-your-arse problem?
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May 1, 2024 3:25pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Root cause? Is he referring to the previous government?
  
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  May 1, 2024 4:47pm
Maggie Pie

Prepping dinner and listning to HDPA.
It suddenly occured to me that if we didn’t have a Labor, Green, and Maori party (and those who support them) NZ would become a crime-free paradise.

Just saying.
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May 1, 2024 4:45pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Shooting just occurred at Wellinton Hospital.
  
  Wonder if it was thise White Supremisisrts again?
  
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  May 1, 2024 7:03pm
Rumblestrip

I’m shocked to see DPF now works for the Russian government
Or is this his twin?
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May 1, 2024 7:04pm
Jack5

Avoiding prostate cancer – prevention in your own hands?

https://nypost.com/2024/04/24/lifestyle/masturbation-can-lower-prostate-cancer-risk-health-expert/
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Diversity instructor for real estate agents v. Sean Plunket at The Platform ….

https://youtu.be/jKvPd9DZ8SA?si=ntX7ZDITO3T-zPT5
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May 1, 2024 9:02pm
septic skeptic

JAG drags the standards in parliament ever lower – even Mallard was only fighting outside the chamber!
Still, I have no doubt it will play well with the average Green voter and should see another bounce in the polls for the Greens.
IMO Greens and TPM are mostly not fit and proper people to be in parliament. They are certainly more representative OF their supporters rather than representatives FOR them.
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