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Bridgenag

we talk a lot about what’s wrong with the world, but what about what’s right? what about humans at their best, living their best lives, doing the best things?

because it’s out there and we should not forget what peak performance looks like

both male and female…

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/sunday-memepool-peak-performance?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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April 22, 2024 8:07am
- bjools
  
  Is this the male version of a woman buying a dress for $50, when it is labeled $150…
  She “SAVED” $100.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:11am
  - jkt
    
    And end up never wearing it!
    
    Probably a better investment than buying Truth Media shares. Short selling tells the story that the vultures are betting this is a bad investment.
    
    Hang onto your cheese and it …. spoils!
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:07am
- Ghost
  
  TikTok, YouTube, all just people faking it for views.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bit like downticking, Ghost. See how many they can get in one day.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:30am
    - mawm
      
      SO – they’re like bees to a honey pot when you comment.
      
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      April 22, 2024 11:33am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah I know. I make their day. Losers!
        
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        April 22, 2024 11:38am
Matt Long

DoC proving why it needs a shake up, won’t control weeds on its vast estates, prosecutes those who do it for them.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/kerikeri-man-reveals-why-he-poisoned-50-gum-trees-in-historic-reserve/UD47C2ELCJD7HAYEIRF6TEYL2E/
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April 22, 2024 8:11am
- David George
  
  While that guy was doing a great job clearing the rampant Taiwanese cherries he is right out of order poisoning the mature Eucalypts. They’re a valued and historic feature of Kerikeri, were widely planted (not “weeds”) to help provide shelter and shade to a unnaturally barren area that had been cleared of bush by the Maoris.
  
  The dead and dying trees are now a serious, and expensive, hazard problem. He’s no hero; his poisoning activities are certainly not generally supported around here.
  
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  April 22, 2024 8:57am
  - RoboRob
    
    That cant be true. We are told the Maori were the great conservationists. Surely they would not clear an area or harvest an animal to extinction.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good firewood.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:32am
    - Colville
      
      Good luck splitting dry gum!
      
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      April 22, 2024 9:40am
      - jkt
        
        Not good for a barbecue in my opinion.
        
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        April 22, 2024 10:12am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Hydraulic splitter. People like me can make their own.
        
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        April 22, 2024 11:39am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        jkt, poisonous fumes, yep
        
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        April 22, 2024 11:39am
      - AitchW
        
        That’s what petrol powered log splitters are for.
        
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        April 22, 2024 6:57pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Poisoning the Eucalyptus trees was taking things a bit far, however they’re dangerous trees as they mature, inclined to drop limbs on hot days and the most likely trees to take out power during high winds.
    It’s the other weeds that are rampant in government reserves he deserves credit for dealing too.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:59am
- bjools
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/3852769/Van-Dyk-fined-15-000-for-clearing-gorse
  Not a recent attitude.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:15am
  - pdm
    
    Ridiculous bjools.
    
    Anyone clearing gorse should get a medal. If it is not a noxious weed it should be.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So you stabilise unstable land with gorse?
    Wellington Council – yep, makes sense.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:37am
  - Jack5
    
    Hugh Wilson used gorse in bringing native forest back to 15,000 hectares of Banks Peninsula.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018703481/gorse-for-the-trees-how-one-man-brought-back-a-forest
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t see how eucalyptus trees are analogous to weeds. By that logic we should kill all the trees in Hagley Park. Few are indigenous to New Zealand.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:20am
  - cmm
    
    It depends on where they are.
    
    Wilding pines are weeds, but pines on there own are not.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:30am
  - RoboRob
    
    Funnily enough there was a plan under the previous Mayor to replace the trees in Hagly park with natives. Thankfully someone with a brain cell interviened 🙂
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:31am
  - kowtow
    
    A definition of weed; any plant growing where you don’t want it.
    
    For the pedants . ‘you” being the owner /legitimate controller of the land.
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:25am
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett suggests that it is time to abolish the Waitangi Tribunal

Set up in 1975, when there were very few Maori in Parliament, it was largely intended as a safeguard for their interests, and a guarantee of their voice. Today, Parliament contains a huge number of Maori, miles more than their 17% of the population warrants. They are in all parties and have seven seats designated specially for Maori. Together, they can be relied on to defend Maori interests.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-3
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April 22, 2024 8:12am
- cmm
  
  The bigger question is really this:
  Are there really “Maori interests” that are distinct from other people’s interests?
  If so, what are they?
  
  I was not in NZ in 1975, but as I understand it, conditions were improving for Maori up to that point and, since 1975 (or so) things have seemed to get worse.
  
  At the end of the day, we (well the decent ones any way), want the same basic things: a way to earn a reasonable wage, put a reasonable roof over our heads and a plate on the table. We want our kids to get a reasonable education and have reasonable prospects in life.
  
  Are those not common interests promoted by Western values?
  
  We also want some liberty to pursue those cultural interest that are of interest to us, be those Morris dancing, Maori culture, hunting or bird watching.
  
  Again, don’t Western liberal values allow for that?
  
  It seems to me that the attempts to re-Maorify Maori has not been beneficial except to an elite.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:01am
  - Scooter
    
    It’s the Ardern Effect, as soon as you target a problem to be fixed, it invariably gets worse. Just look at what they failed to accomplish under her term.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:26am
    - herb1
      
      Looking at what the Ardern Govt. failed to account is a far to tedious and long winded excercise.
      Far quicker and easier to look at what she and her Government accomplished. A couple of minutes should suffice
      
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      April 22, 2024 11:07am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “The bigger question is really this:
    Are there really “Maori interests” that are distinct from other people’s interests?”
    
    That depends on your ‘world view’. For many Maori, their interests are by definition separate from other folk.
    
    Every day you can find reports of Maori referring to “our people”.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350234794/maori-ward-referendum-u-turn-kick-guts-our-people
    
    This world view sees the interests of Maori being opposed to all others. Which is why we are in the mess we are in.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:26am
    - cmm
      
      Who are the people with this “our people” “world view”?
      
      I suggest that the average productive Maori has little interest in it (hence almost no Maori are bothered to learn their language).
      
      The reports are constructed by the elites and troughers who gain from a system that pays them vast amounts because they are apparently “different”.
      
      The average Maori does not gain through special Maori Health Authorities etc. But the fat cat bureaucrats do.
      
      The other people that gain from this are the scumbag gangs who use Maoridom as a shield.
      
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      April 22, 2024 9:36am
    - pdm
      
      BY in your last sentence I think `some Maori’ would be better wording.
      
      There are a lot of Maori people opposed to the activist faction.
      
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      April 22, 2024 9:37am
      - septic skeptic
        
        If that is true they certainly keep their opinions to themselves. I hear very few Maori advocating for equal rights for all.
        
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        April 22, 2024 10:01am
      - cmm
        
        septic: “If that is true they certainly keep their opinions to themselves.”
        
        And I don’t blame them either.
        
        There are certainly many white “Silent Tories”, who feel pressured into keeping quiet.
        
        I expect there’s even more pressure to keep your mouth shut if you’re a Maori “Silent Tory”.
        
        In some ways this is a shame. It means that those (mostly more successful I would think) Maori silent Tories are not acting as positive role models influencing others.
        
        But for them personally, it is completely understandable. No good comes from having your children bullied at school etc for “acting white”. Rather just “act white” out of sight of other Maori in your own home or amongst your white friends.
        
        This concept of different “communities” based on race is a myth. They don’t really exist.
        
        A Maori doctor and a Mongrel Mob member are not in the same community just because they have a similar racial profile.
        
        I saw the same in South Africa. Black professionals didn’t associate with garden workers because they’re all Zulus (or whatever). Nope, they’re far more likely to have been friends with white professionals.
        
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        April 22, 2024 1:04pm
    - david
      
      In response to BY:
      Nowhere is this more evident than with the use of the terms “Māori” and “Pakeha”. Essentially this refers to one group and the rest of the population of the planet as distinct from that one group which is incidentally, a minute speck akin to fly dirt on the radar scopes of most of the world.
      Personally, I have an objection to being referred to as “not Māori”, happy to be a New Zealander born & bred, not happy being European, happy to be of Scottish/Irish heritage and that’s about it.
      Note: the language I was educated in, in this country does not use macrons and neither do I. They are a creature of someone else’s interference in my script.
      
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      April 22, 2024 2:09pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        Ethnically you most certainly are a European, because your ancestors come from Europe therefore your heritage is European (there’s no such thing as an “ethnic New Zealander). Given that it was Europeans who founded and built NZ it would be a shame if you are not proud of that.
        
        No one with any self respect uses the word “pakeha” (a meaningless, made up word in a language that isn’t our own) to label themselves. I’m a NZ European – and proud of it.
        
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        April 22, 2024 7:24pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Easy welfare, especially the state paying hopeless women to have babies as a career has been incredibly destructive to lower socio economic sections of all western countries. NZ Maori included. The harvest of this has been huge increases in abused kids with hopeless welfare-bound outlooks and high rates of criminality as they grow into adulthood.
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:44am
  - Nobby2
    
    Totally agree it should have been disestablished / shut down when it had no more historical claims to consider. Since historical claims ended the tribunal has tried every devious action it can to find a way to keep it going so it can continue to keep the tribunal members snouts in the trough, fleece the taxpayer and rark up other maori and pseudo maori radicals to keep the maorification movement going.
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:45am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The current Waitangi Tribunal position is that Maori have “unique rights” which as per article 3 of the Treaty is explicitly false.
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:53am
- David Garrett
  
  Bassett is spot on – I strongly suggest readers follow the link, and read the entire piece.
  
  Of course the Waitangi Tribunal should be abolished – but it won’t be, at least not by any of our current politicians. Seymour talks a good game, but I seriously doubt whether ACT will ever be the largest party in government – but then until a few years ago, all the pundits were standing around waiting for it to die. No-one expected they would end up with 8 MP’s so who knows?
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:27am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘but I seriously doubt whether ACT will ever be the largest party in government’
    
    Funny things are happening in the world of politics ( in the west anyway)
    
    There is a noticable trend among electorates away from the old and tired ‘trust us centrists , we know what we’re doing ”
    
    I think Brexit and Trump are examples of electorates fed up and wanting real change ( whether they get it is another matter)
    
    Ireland , whom we for some very odd reason like to compare ourselves to is actually on the precipice ( if polling is correct) of putting in the terrorists as a majority . Again partly due to disillusionment with the old lot.
    
    Europe too and I suspect it’s due to partly at least to rampant uncontrolled immigration .
    
    Holland , so often touted as the epitome of the progressive liberals , largest party ; Geert Wilders .
    
    Sweden Democrats likewise in that beacon of “progess” that the socialists always lauded .
    
    Not to mention Italy , Hungary and most importanty Germany and France where so called extreme and once fringe parties are close to power.
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:36am
  - jkt
    
    It all depends on how the next election plays out.
    If the current alliance makes it through to a second term I expect to see more fire works.
    
    If the next government is formed by Act and National I think the status quo will survive. National in its current form needs Act and NZ First to deflect.
    
    Form is temporary but class is permanent. This statement may well draw some ire and verbiage.
    
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    April 22, 2024 1:31pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    It seems to be inexplicably hard to shake the establishment National – even though NZ has an electoral system that enables it – which is no doubt why they’re so entitled. I really cannot fathom why so many on the so called right are wedded to them.
    
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    April 22, 2024 7:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Waitangi Tribunal was set up to “advise” the Government on Treaty Claims.
  These days the Tribunal think they are the Court who forces the Govt decisions.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:41am
- jkt
  
  Fair point by Basset.
  Considering when and why Maori seats were established in the first place.
  
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  April 22, 2024 10:14am
Matt Long

The legacy MSM run interference for the groomers, sterilisers and mutilation of children. Who will miss them?
https://x.com/ElliotIkilei/status/1781921291295179056
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April 22, 2024 8:14am
- Matt Long
  
  Meanwhile the author of the Cass report is living in fear of reprisals from trans radicals. No wonder they support Hamas.
  https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1781688638448738663
  
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  April 22, 2024 8:16am
  - Philview
    
    Most people in New Zealand will never hear about the Cass Report. I have read a couple of brief articles denouncing it but it hasn’t been widely reported on.
    
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    April 22, 2024 11:36am
    - Ghost
      
      Media have some stories
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514044/ministry-of-health-taking-the-time-to-get-it-right-on-puberty-blockers
      
      https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE2404/S00048/government-should-pause-puberty-blockers.htm
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nz-government-wont-say-if-it-will-follow-uks-move-to-ban-routine-use-of-puberty-blockers-as-treatment-for-trans-youth/XM4LR3XIVZF2JAKJU74OOELSOU/
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/government-won-t-say-if-it-will-follow-britain-s-move-to-ban-routine-use-of-puberty-blockers.html
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/04/transgender-girl-s-mother-says-criticism-of-puberty-blockers-misguided.html
      
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      April 22, 2024 12:10pm
softail 1450

$NZ330.00 each is what 320 million Americans just donated to project Ukraine with the aid of speaker Johnson and half of the Republican Party,USD$,61,000,000,000 and around $400 million to patrol Ukraines eastern border yet not one additional dollar for the US’s overrun southern border, that country is in rapid decline .
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April 22, 2024 8:17am
- RoboRob
  
  They dont actually need extra money for their own border, the problem isn’t cash its entirely a policy issue. The US went from one of the lowest levels of border crossings under Trump to the highest (?) almost overnight. The changes were
  
  1. Implementation of catch and release for a trial to be held some time in the distant future (years). Including flights to the city of your choice, complimentry cellphone etc.
  
  2. Removal of remain in Mexico policy where aliens were returned to mexico to await processing. This had the effect of Mexico strenghtening its southern border.
  
  3. Dem citys pushing a sanctuary city policy and Biden talking about ‘no one being turned away’.
  
  Essentially Biden put out the welcome mat and un surprisingly people are coming.
  
  No funding is required, no law changes are required. Biden just needs to start enforcing the existing laws and resume Trumps policies.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:39am
  - jkt
    
    The data is clear …..
    The upsurge started well before Trump left office.
    Create another pandemic …
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:20am
    - RoboRob
      
      Really? Thats not the data I have seen.
      
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/
      
      2020 405,000
      2021 1,662,167
      2022 2,214,652
      2023 2,063,692
      
      Remind me again which year Biden took office?
      
      It is true that Obama did a great job on reducing the numbers and that they leveled out under Trump.
      
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      April 22, 2024 10:53am
      - jkt
        
        Look at the graph!!
        The upturn started late 2020.
        Granted, Trump was probably too busy claiming voter fraud to pay attention to border issues. Yeah, right.
        
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        April 22, 2024 1:34pm
    - softail 1450
      
      JKT <~~~~~ At last an admitted Biden supporter 😂
      
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      April 22, 2024 3:49pm
      - jkt
        
        Yeah.
        I struggle to understand why people vote for a self proclaimed narcissist, a person trading on his narcissism.
        
        I also find it distasteful when people manipulate data to demonstrate their point.
        
        I also disregard the propositions made by those who jump to conclusions.
        
        I enjoy reading the theories that people come up on everything, but reject propositions that are dishonest and based on “made up facts”.
        
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        April 22, 2024 4:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They don’t even look after their own Veterans, many with missing limbs, and many homeless. I have met a few in Alaska.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:45am
- cmm
  
  How much of this is cash and how much is in the form of arms and ammunition?
  
  If foreign military aid is in the form of munitions then most of the value stays in the USA and is just donated to the local military industrial complex – ie the swamp dwellers of congress etc just added a pile of money to their own share portfolios.
  
  For example a Javelin missile has a price of around $US200k. It costs under $10k in materials to actually build one (ie. that is the marginal cost). The other $US190k go into profits.
  
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  April 22, 2024 10:09am
  - jkt
    
    Agreed.
    The USA will benefit most from this deal.
    
    The effectiveness of this intervention will become clear once new borderlines are settled.
    
    Hopefully it will bring Putin to the table sooner.
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:23am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Goodness me what does anyone think the continual war by proxy or other wise that the US engages in is actually for? Please don’t tell me it’s to ensure democracy is upheld or spread they don’t even uphold it in their own country. If the Obama, Clinton, Biden regime has done nothing else it has exposed to all what many people knew to be true that the American political establishment is little more than an instrument for turning public money into private money, the transfer of money upwards.
      
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      April 22, 2024 10:50am
      - miltonF
        
        Indeed. I call it “trickle-up” economics. It’s when the govt excessively taxes the public and inflates the currency and transfers the gains to the corporations that are in cahoots with the deep state.
        
        I still can’t understand why lefties prefer this over trickle-down economics. I feel like they’ve been brainwashed to hate any kind of capitalism and to love any kind of socialism, even if that socialism rewards the corporations and punishes themselves.
        
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        April 22, 2024 2:49pm
    - cmm
      
      “The USA will benefit most from this deal.”
      
      No, I think the USA elite will benefit the most.
      
      The average Joe just gets worse off as the nation slides deeper into debt.
      
      “Hopefully it will bring Putin to the table sooner.”
      Har har har… Whether you are pro-Putin or anti-Putin, the facts are the same – Russia has a huge stockpile of arms and ammo.
      
      That seems to be especially true for the main fodder of the battlefield – howitzer shells. If you can’t match the opposition shell for shell then it is hard to control a battle field. The USA and Europe only have a small number of shells available.
      
      If they fire shells at the same rate, then during a week Ukraine runs out of shells on Monday and Russian artillery is unopposed the rest of the week. Oh, and on top of that the Russian howitzers have longer range.
      
      Napoleon is supposed to have said: God is on the side with the better artillery. Yes, things have moved on quite a lot since, but the basic concept still holds true.
      
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      April 22, 2024 1:15pm
      - jkt
        
        Too many soldiers are dying and this will continue at pace now that the Ukrainians have access to more munitions, better air defences and better delivery systems. A collapse of Ukrainian forces appears unlikely.
        
        There comes a point where body bags and a dwindling economy speak louder than ideology.
        
        Putin needs continued support from citizens to wage this war.
        
        And of course the Americans will do what favours them best. It is by design. “Trump” willing or not.
        
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        April 22, 2024 1:50pm
      - Colville
        
        jkt.
        What is best for USA is having Germany crippled? and that is by having Russian gas etc permanently cut off.
        Manufacturing in Mexico/USA is so much better with no European competition.
        
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        April 22, 2024 3:48pm
      - jkt
        
        Colville, I do not see the German people as victims of American oppression or aggression. They have agency and have chosen to be part of NATO for another reason.
        
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        April 22, 2024 5:07pm
- rangitoto
  
  The actual aid is nowhere near that amount. They are sending surplus stuff that is mostly scheduled to be dumped as past its use by date and specifying the new price. Even the much talked about ATACMS missiles are in the process of being retired in favour of the replacement PrSM missiles which started delivery to the US Army last December.
  
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  April 22, 2024 2:45pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Again, it should be net taxpayers, not all the population which includes babies, children and illegal aliens who obviously don’t pay taxes in any meaningful way. For the US, the vast majority get more out than they put into the system. I would guess 30m or 10% of the population are actually net tax contributors, so add a zero to your guesstimate.
  
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  April 23, 2024 1:22am
Maggie Pie

“FREE CHRISTCHURCH”

https://twitter.com/JohnJohnminto/status/1781504303179649375
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April 22, 2024 8:17am
- G152
  
  Not worth what ever you paid for it
  
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  April 22, 2024 8:20am
- redeye
  
  Someone’s making some serious dollars selling those Palestine flags to the gullible.
  
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  April 22, 2024 8:30am
  - Inandout
    
    Red, a possible outlet.
    https://theflagshop.co.nz/products/palestine
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They sell those flags but not Trump Flags.
      
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      April 22, 2024 9:49am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        True Steve which makes me wonder where the Trump flags came from that showed up at the protests in Wellington. Funny thing was that when they were approached by my friend and questioned as to what they were doing there and what relevance they thought they had the young well dressed , casual but smart, men became very nervous and fidgety and had nothing to say. They were of course very photogenic.
        
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        April 22, 2024 1:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Stellaboxer,
        The older Trump flags (Trump 2020, MAGA etc) were all free, as were the coins, gold $100 Trump money notes, hats etc. Free in the sense that I pay shipping and that is all. The man knows how to sell stuff including himself.
        The stuff is still free, pay shipping but only in the lower 48. Not shipping to Hawaii or Alaska!
        
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        April 22, 2024 2:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Stelloboxer,
        Add, the demand in the States for flags, hats, shirts, is yuge!
        Even stuff like wraps for cars, trucks, and boats.
        Roll on Nov 5th, can’t wait.
        
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        April 22, 2024 2:37pm
  - Biscuit
    
    redeye, if you’ve got a dollar or two to invest there are two sure-to-succeed enterprises:
    
    (1) Flower shops, for the 123,456,789 tributes placed at the scene of the latest disaster/atrocity
    (2) Candle sellers, for the night-time vigils held re (1)…
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:55am
- RoboRob
  
  They are out everyweek. If you listen to the speaches its much more ‘we hate USA’ then anything else. Typical Minto and friends.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:41am
  - kowtow
    
    In the US they’re chanting “Death to America” ,no shit .
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why doesn’t that commie mintobar go to Gaza and protest?
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:50am
  - Biscuit
    
    Steve, for the same reason he doesn’t go to South Africa to marvel at the way the majority rule he demanded has so transformed that country…
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:19am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He is a prize prick, and he teaches kids ffs.
      
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      April 22, 2024 2:31pm
- Nukuleka
  
  Last week there was a massive mail drop of flyers advertising this protest throughout Christchurch. Who is paying for all this propaganda? Sure as shit it ain’t Minto.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Council?
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:52am
  - cmm
    
    If you have to ask, then it’s probably you paying…
    
    I wouldn’t be surprised if rates are funding this.
    
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    April 22, 2024 1:17pm
Matt Long

Jacinda Ardern’s success as a master politician showing through with a 25% increase in the select group of children that will never experience poverty.
Who else has achieved so much?
https://chooselife.org.nz/media-release-abortions-increase-25-since-law-change/
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April 22, 2024 8:21am
- oldpark
  
  @Matt Long 8.21 am
  Knew there had to be something why Ardern Regime went into urgency when Parliament was in the lockdown caper in 2020.
  Ardern was after some kind of Legacy .What a bloody indictment.Nuff Said .
  
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  April 22, 2024 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  45 a day? So it is just a contraceptive.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:53am
  - NothingLeft
    
    45 a day, is 1350 per menstrual cycle out of a population of probably 500000 child bearing age women who are having regular sex. Eg maybe a 0.2% rate of contraceptive failure.
    
    That’s very very low.
    
    The uptick could be because a lot of women are coming off the pill due to its better known deleterious side-effects
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There are other things. 3 monthly pill, and IUD.
      
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      April 22, 2024 11:42am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That should be 3 monthly injection. What would I know, not in the habit of doing that.
        
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        April 22, 2024 2:39pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Dump fees are high; so is fly-tipping.

It’s a shame that some of the locals don’t appreciate their beautiful home.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514846/unacceptable-700-tonnes-of-waste-illegally-dumped-across-tai-rawhiti-in-one-year
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April 22, 2024 8:25am
- Paul
  
  Dump Fees are high, in my case I was overcharged as well. The Council don’t operate the Transfer Statios, but the use them, are they blatanly overcharged as I was ?. Here is my letter to the Council today: Hello xxxxx,
  I have heard nothing back after I alerted the Council to Bill Padding at Pikes Point Transfer Station.
  
  Therefore I am copying in the Newsdesk at the New Zealand Herald, as a story about blatant overcharging of $243, which was revised to $87 after I paid it and realised that I had been stung ,at the Pikes Point Weigh Station, may be in the Public interest.
  
  I had to push hard to get the staff to issue a Refund (attached) that clearly shows that I was overcharged.
  
  Can the Council explain a/. How was an incorrect weight Invoiced ?
  b/. Inform me whether an audit of Contractor Staff and weighing systems has taken place to prevent Fraud.
  
  Please note that I plan to pursue this with the Media if no decent explanation is forthcoming. Corruptio at Pikes Point easily extends into Council Operations as Council Trucks are weighed there daily, is the Council also routinely being overcharged ?.
  
  As a twist on the story below, highlighting rubbish dumped outside a Transfer Station, when a member of the Public has been corruptly overcharged, as in my case, fly-tipping can be seen to be morally justified.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514846/unacceptable-700-tonnes-of-waste-illegally-dumped-across-tai-rawhiti-in-one-year
  
  Please respond as there is clearly Bill padding occurring, the scale of which will be difficult to determine.
  
  Regards
  
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  April 22, 2024 10:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We don’t appreciate the sheep, goat and pig carcasses that are regularly dumped on our hill, but having just paid out $700 for the delivery of a 8 cubic metre skip bin, I can’t see the problem disappearing any time soon.
  
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  April 22, 2024 10:21am
RockyJ

Sue Neureuter, trustee of one of the Noises Islands and Cath Handley, Chair of the Waiheke Community board point out what we all know, namely the Hauraki Gulf is severely degraded. What they both fail to reveal is that both are prepared to compromise democratic control of natural assets in exchange for marine protection.

Both are advocates of a cogovernance model of marine protection. This is to split control of a protected zone 50/50 iwi and local communities. This is also endorsed by Legasea a conservation minded fishing advocacy group. Initiatives to implement these models have generated opposition.

These zones are shallow short term thinking. None of these individuals are prepared to confront the moral blackmail being exerted by iwi who are more interested in power and privilege than genuine conservation. They are “useful idiots” who allow their genuine concern to be exploited.

Far better are no take reserves as advocated for by Friends of the Hauraki Gulf and marine scientists.

New Zealand’s record on marine conservation is a disgrace. We have 0.4% of our coast under protection whereas in Europe the average is 30%. Maori interest in control of our coast is the primary culprit holding up real protection.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/a-48m-boat-ran-aground-on-my-familys-island-in-the-hauraki-gulf-its-the-least-of-our-worries-sue-neureuter/V5KUPEIS4BGCLAKM6LCMPYK7CA/
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April 22, 2024 8:30am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350251587/shame-you-emails-show-not-everyone-happy-grant-robertsons-appointment-otago-unis

On Feb 20th 2024 Grant Robertson announced he was to take up the VC job at Otago University: since then STUFF and other left-wing publications have never mentioned the public backlash which has been repeatedly evident on such sites as this (Kiwiblog).
Finally today STUFF admits that his appointment was controversial.
What prompted this about-face , I wonder ?
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April 22, 2024 8:38am
- Colville
  
  I logged on to say the same..
  
  The comments in the story nail it ..
  
  One emailer expressed their concern, writing: “This is a continuation of the alarming trend of politicisation of the University of Otago, and is entirely inappropriate for an academic institution of your stature.”
  
  The email noted Robertson’s lack of an academic background “reflects unbelievably poorly” on the university.
  
  “Again, I am appalled by this appointment, which materially diminishes a once great academic institution.
  
  “Shame on you.
  
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  April 22, 2024 8:50am
  - Paulus
    
    Don’t think Robertson cares. he has the Foreman’s Job !
    His skin is very thick, as we know.
    
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    April 22, 2024 11:07am
- sirknz
  
  They are trying to smear anyone who opposes the appointment as serial complainers who are also not good people.
  
  Notice how Stuff didn’t mention that the University Council which signed off on his appointment are also former Labour Party politicians and/or appointments as well thus having at least a perceived conflict of interest in appointing the lowest qualified person to this position in NZ when compared to other ‘academic’ institutions?
  
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  April 22, 2024 8:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  For their Newshub venture to succeed, they need a point of difference, it eill be very interesting if they change tack and stop beating the government, and it may bee very interesting if they drop the maoriforcation on the news. They need a pound of difference to gain market share
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:01am
  - RoboRob
    
    It would be smart but it wont happen. Stuff firmly believe in the progressive agenda.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:44am
    - Colville
      
      Yeah I think Stuff will double down on the woke BS and go the full retard!
      
      https://youtu.be/X6WHBO_Qc-Q?si=joOzENIm1HPM_nzX
      
      🙂
      
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      April 22, 2024 10:58am
- alex Masterley
  
  Too right the appoiuntment was controversial.
  If the University Council had looked outside its tight little circle it would have seen that the appointment would not be accepted by many Alumni.
  There will be a cost in terms of bequests not being made and children being steered to other universities (as I am doing).
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:12am
  - Jack5
    
    Don’t forget Robertson’s cash gain from swapping Parliament to become the first non-academic appointed Otago University vice-chancellor.
    
    From the Otago Daily Times:
    
    University chancellor Stephen Higgs said Mr Robertson has been appointed with a total renumeration package of $629,000.
    
    As an MP he is paid $163,961.
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/grant-robertson-new-otago-university-vice-chancellor
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:50am
- Benedict Yu
  
  In my view it is a bad appointment for two reasons.
  
  Firstly Otago University has financial problems that need sorting. Enough said. 😳
  
  Secondly, I don’t think that Grant Robertson has the instincts to uphold academic freedom. Although he would not be alone. See Massey University.
  
  It does beg the question of whether any ex politician should be appointed. Would I have found the appointment of Steven Joyce a good appointment? I guess it depends what the university is looking for. Steven Joyce would right the financial ship 😅. Do they want that? I guess only the Council can explain the appointment. Good luck with that.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:34am
  - Colville
    
    Joyce would do that job with 5% of his brain and be better than Robberson.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:47am
  - cmm
    
    NZ universities have slid further down the rankings year after year.
    
    It is now getting to the stage where the only technical university worth going to is in Auckland.
    
    Perhaps that’s a good thing. Having multiple universities dotted through NZ might have been a good thing in the old days when travel was expensive and communications were poor. But now travel is cheap and communications are good.
    
    Maybe all we need is one good university.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:49am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I think it is a good model to have smaller specialist universities in subjects such as soil science, veterinary medicine etc. As I understand it, Massey filled that role well for decades. Until some folk at Massey decided to branch out into gender studies, fat studies and politics.
      
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      April 22, 2024 10:07am
      - cmm
        
        “Until some folk at Massey decided to branch out into gender studies, fat studies and politics.”
        
        This sort of thing always happens.
        
        The lefties infect the university governing bodies then manipulate everything to their own ends.
        
        For example:
        * In many universities people studying sciences are required to take at least one arts subject. They say this is to ensure that the students are “well rounded” or such. In reality it is to keep arts lecturers employed. You will not see any reciprocal arrangement requiring arts students to take mathematics or chemistry to ensure they are “well rounded”.
        * Emphasis is placed on getting “bums on seats”. This generally comes at the cost of reducing quality.
        * Science and engineering etc generally require expensive assets (suitable buildings, lab equipment etc). These are left to rot and the money is rather put into more left-leaning nonsense of interest to arts students.
        
        Eventually the science dies.
        
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        April 22, 2024 1:23pm
    - Jack5
      
      The country had one degree-issuing University of New Zealand from 1874 to 1961. Auckland, Victoria, Canterbury, Otago were constituent colleges.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_New_Zealand
      
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      April 22, 2024 10:41am
      - Jack5
        
        Edit: From 1874 to ~~1861~~ 1961.
        
        Sorry!
        
        [Mod – fixed]
        
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        April 22, 2024 1:22pm
      - cmm
        
        Word games.
        
        We have far too many universities doing too many things.
        
        It would be way better to admit reality and move the Otago School of Medicine to Christchurch. As it is, their satellite campus at Christchurch hospital is far more important than what they have going at Dunedin Hospital. It would make far more sense to just move the whole thing.
        
        Then Otago could just focus on becoming a leftie shithole like it wants to be.
        
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        April 22, 2024 1:27pm
Maggie Pie

Hate to say it, but the biggest mistake NZFIRST made with the Coalition Agreement,
was to ditch the ‘15% Foreign-House-Buyers-Tax’

By the way the RE Market is performing in Australia with auction prices being paid by Chinese buyers, a number of economists believe it would have reaped in excess of a BILLION DOLLARS annually here in NZ!

https://twitter.com/RBASHAGGER/status/1781550827767013881
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April 22, 2024 8:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Do once again they try to rubbish Willis, and once again she was found to be correct
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:02am
- cmm
  
  Does it really “reap” money?
  
  Just because money is moving around does not mean that anything productive is happening (except for real estate agents who are clipping the ticket).
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:06am
  - Colville
    
    House sells for $5mil.
    $750,000 paid as tax on ticket price to government.
    Total $5,75Mil.
    How is that “moving money around”?
    
    and IMHO golfing Yanks would have been the biggest sector of uptake.
    
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    April 22, 2024 9:18am
- MCōs
  
  Don’t they have some sort of tax on property sales in Oz?
  When I bought my house back in 2013 I went along to a number of auctions. There would be crowds of people back then and prices we’re going through the roof with ultimate buyers predominately Chinese
  I muttered about foreigners with money buying our houses.
  However last year when I has cancer I saw three hematologists who were Chinese with kiwi accents
  Maybe they can afford the houses because they put in the hard yards at school and med school and eventually earn the top salaries.
  Someone once told me Irish families in NZ made their kids get a job after school whereas the Chinese sent their kids off to extra-curricula classes
  
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  April 22, 2024 10:04am
Rusty

Has anyone heard the latest condition with the little baby stabbed by the scum bag killer in Sydney last week?

Just out of curiosity I have never heard any of the media speak of the baby’s dad and his reactions to it.

Maybe there is a reason for that.
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April 22, 2024 9:10am
- Ghost
  
  And what reason have you invented for that
  
  Ashlee Good’s husband forced to make impossible choice after Westfield Bondi Junction stabbing that killed wife
  
  Major update on nine-month-old baby stabbed in Westfield Bondi Junction attack that killed her mother and five others
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:18am
- Yvette
  
  A nine-month-old baby has been released from hospital more than a week after being wounded in a stabbing massacre at a Sydney shopping centre.
  The baby is continuing to receive care from clinicians after being discharged from Sydney Children’s Hospital, but has been allowed to go home, NSW Health Minister Ryan Park said on Sunday.
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/04/21/baby-released-from-hospital-as-mourners-gather-for-bondi-beach-vigil/
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:57am
cmm

When are the Three Wusses going to take on one of NZ’s biggest problems: the gangs?

The gangs act with impunity and feel they are above the law – because they are. They are emboldened by hiding behind the shield of “Maori culture”. They are now getting to the point where they have a solid negotiating position.

Why should the decent people be subject to abuse and danger from these scum…. and worse yet, have to fund them?

It is time to fight fire with fire.

Yet another watered down response:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/paula-lavemai-sentenced-for-auckland-road-rage-attack-en-route-to-gang-fight-that-resulted-in-charle-pongis-death/FXGRIRYZ5VD5FL5VX53A5KQUVQ/
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April 22, 2024 9:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Justice Lang agreed a sentence needed to be imposed. He noted that had the motorist not stayed in his car he might have suffered serious injuries. As it was, he was left with costly repair bills for his car and psychological injury, he said.
  
  He ordered a sentence of one month’s home detention.”
  
  😳☹️😭🤬
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:38am
  - cmm
    
    But, but, but the bro was in an excitable state….
    Apparently the bros are children and cannot be held responsible for their actions.
    
    Yup, a month of Xbox should sort him out!
    
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    April 22, 2024 1:30pm
    - sirknz
      
      PlayStation is the console of choice for these clowns.
      
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      April 22, 2024 2:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hillary is scraping the bottom of the barrel with her attacks on Trump.
She says Trump is willing to dismantle the very foundations of a fair and free election, and use fear and intimidation to silence his opposition. This would not only undermine the democratic process but also create a dangerous precedent for future leaders to follow.
There is also talk of Trump making himself President for life, which is rubbish.
Trump does not want to dismantle democracy, he wants to dismantle the Deep State and the Swamp. That is what Hillary is scared of. She is among the hierarchy of the Swamp right through to the operations of Epstein.
Basically she is scaremongering. Nasty, evil woman. Expect more to be added to her list before the Election, even Trump himself.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/unveiling-the-truth-hillary-clinton-claims-trumps-secret-plan-to-eliminate-political-rivals-04-21-2024/?
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April 22, 2024 9:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jon Voight Defends the Need for Trump’s Return in 2024.
He urges readers to look past the media’s biased portrayal of Trump and see the truth for themselves.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/voicing-the-truth-actor-jon-voight-defends-the-need-for-trumps-return-in-2024-04-20-2024/?
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April 22, 2024 9:19am
MCōs

Occasionally I’ve tried to understand the situation in the Middle East in rational terms
This person doesn’t help
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1781999892866445473?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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April 22, 2024 9:20am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Its not possible.
  
  The region is a patch work of overlapping ethnic, tribal, cultural and religious identity groups. They all fear each other. So ongoing violence without an outside hegemond is basically impossible.
  
  Its been thus for millenia
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:30am
  - MCōs
    
    Interestingly enough Northern Ireland was a simplified version of that and according to Tony Blair’s (self serving) autobiography the only way the mess was going to be resolved was by a third party, namely himself.
    Thus the Good Friday Agreement that has largely worked
    America used to put forward themselves as “honest brokers” in the Israel/Palestine conflict, but there is too much bad blood in that area. Besides America has a dog in the fight
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:14am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘Thus the Good Friday Agreement that has largely worked’
      
      No it hasn’t.
      
      Both “communities” are very far apart and it has been said that the so called and actually farcical decommissioning and peace agreements simply wiped out support for each of what passed for the moderate parties representing each side who’re now represented by what was the extremist political manifestations of the gunmen , only we all pretend they’re actually politicians committed to constitutionalism , when they’re not.
      
      Never mind the shenanigans of the ME ,when it comes to industrial scale madness look no further than Continental Europeans . Be it the Soviets , the current manifestation as Putinists ,the Nazis , the communist holocaust of ethnic Germans post 1945 , the Spanish Civil war , Yugoslavs from the early 1900’s to the present , and even as Mcos points out the mini genocides perpetrated by irish republicanism from 1919 to the present.
      
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      April 22, 2024 10:59am
      - cmm
        
        The main thing in Ireland is that they’ve stopping killing each other.
        
        So yes, it has largely worked.
        
        Sure, it isn’t sunbeams and unicorns, but at least it isn’t AK47s and kneecappings.
        
        If the ME could get to where there’s an odd punch up that would be significant progress.
        
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        April 22, 2024 1:35pm
      - kowtow
        
        ‘The main thing in Ireland is that they’ve stopping killing each other.’
        
        But they haven’t.
        
        ‘BBC News NI takes a look at significant events involving dissident republicans since March 2009.’
        
        https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-10866072
        
        Attacks on police continue.
        
        It is far from a “normal” society and its politics and community relations are poisoned .
        
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        April 22, 2024 2:12pm
- mandk
  
  Basically, it’s Shia Iran and its proxies (Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah) against Israel (which has tacit support from its Sunni neighbours).
  
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  April 22, 2024 10:48am
iMP

The spiralling protest at Columbia university today by pro-Hamas/Palestinian groups (otherwise known as an “ insurrection” if Trump was nearby) is bordering on affiliation to terror. Wayne Mapp disagreed with this, in thread 1 today, unfortunately now hidddn because the Troll poster ‘Mike~‘ to which those interesting comments were unrelatedly attached, has been reader down ticked hidden.

I disagree with Wayne. video footage now shows these groups (constantly invading public events in Nz and disrupting our PM’s visits) have started to cross a line towards terror-affiliation.

Evidence is: demonstrators seen holding placards reading, “Al-Qasam’s next targets,” while pointing at US Jews. Al-Qassam is the military wing of the terrorist organization Hamas.
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April 22, 2024 9:34am
Maggie Pie

This is so frightening…

I’ve often wondered what security measures AIR NZ have in place 🙁

https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1781355490074673382

Are ‘Sky-Marshalls’ still a thing?
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April 22, 2024 9:36am
- peterwn
  
  The usual security measures are the security check before boarding the aircraft and then cabin crew training. As long as the unruly passenger does not have anything that can be used as a weapon, the unruly passenger can be fairly readily overpowered and restrained by cabin crew with the help of other passengers. The crew have access to cable ties and other restraint devices. A bottle of duty free Teachers whiskey or similar can serve as a makeshift baton (and was once used on a Air NZ flight to deal with a troublemaker). That would teach the troublemaker a lesson.
  USA’s sky marshals still exist as far as I know, but would be limited to flights to or from USA.
  
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  April 22, 2024 9:51am
- mogg
  
  If that is what he is like when on his own, we can only imagine what he is like down at the Mosque
  amongst his fellow brethren.
  
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  April 22, 2024 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When he was kneeling why didn’t the guy behind kick him in the nuts? That would shut the prick up for a while.
  
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  April 22, 2024 10:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  This incident happened last August. The guy was in gaol for several months. Looks like he is out on bail. Defence is mental illness.
  
  https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/man-charged-with-sydney-airport-bomb-hoax-released-on-bail/news-story/39bef37012f0069921421fbd58fce8f1?amp
  
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  April 22, 2024 10:24am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I vaguely remember a female mozzie hijacked a plane in Christchurch
    about 10 years ago. Stabbed the pilots.
    She also used the old ‘mental illness’ defence as I recall.
    Wonder where she is now? No doubt back on the streets 🙁
    
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    April 22, 2024 10:38am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      In 2020 she was still in NZ, being held in a secure forensic mental health ward in Porirua.
      
      (I suspect she is still there).
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300125095/asha-abdille-refugee-political-target-hijacker-and-human
      
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      April 22, 2024 10:55am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I have long been opposed to migrants being stripped of their citizenship. I think that such a threat creates an implied system of “two classes of citizen” which is not desirable. However I am coming to the view that some people should lose their citizenship if they retain citizenship of another country and commit the most serious crimes. Basically murder, rape, hijacking etc. I don’t know how you would encode those crimes in law but I am sure it can be done.
        
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        April 22, 2024 11:04am
      - ISeeRed
        
        @BenedictYu Doesn’t the present set-up hold up a “two classes of citizen” system? New citizens don’t have to surrender their old passport so they have the right to vote in two countries, unlike NZ-born citizens? (Correct me if I’m wrong.)
        
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        April 23, 2024 1:32am
    - Taieri
      
      It was a flight from Blenheim to Christchurch in 2008. Small plane with about 10 people on board, which she wanted to go to Australia. As for the hijacker’s mental illness, I don’t think it was simulated. She was as mad as…
      
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      April 22, 2024 10:58am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      16 years ago.
      
      She was in prison for 9 years. Last known whereabouts the high security psychiatric unit at Porirua.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/321707/nz-plane-hijacker-threatens-repeat-action
      
      I assume that she is a New Zealand citizen, otherwise she would have been deported.
      
      The pilots were badly injured. Good job landing the plane.
      
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      April 22, 2024 10:59am
      - kowtow
        
        I doubt deportation’s an option for a ‘refugee’.
        
        But I find these musings disturbing as the regime constantly tells us that the refugees we bring in are the ‘pick of the crop’
        
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        April 22, 2024 12:23pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Been scrolling down the comments for answers.
  
  This was my fave…..
  
  https://twitter.com/SthrnScribbler/status/1781502695519506926
  
  😀
  
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  April 22, 2024 10:26am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You are in danger of upsetting the moderators again. 😅
    
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    April 22, 2024 11:05am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Nah… me and Batz get on like a house on fire these days 😀
      
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      April 22, 2024 11:18am
- MCōs
  
  I’ve been on a lot of planes over a span of sixty years, plus a lot of other public transport and never seen anything as bad as the arguments in the back seat of the family car
  
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  April 22, 2024 11:46am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Me neither. It is hard to comprehend how many flights there are. IIRC about 40 million commercial flights each year. So even if there are, say, two serious disorder incidents each week, your chances of being on those flights are, well, tiny.
    
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    April 22, 2024 12:01pm
I remember when

‘Very weird’: School teacher queries new rules on sending sick kids to school: NZ Herald.

Thinking back, I can’t remember any children, or teachers for that matter, being absent for illness when I was at school.
Measles, Chickenpox, Mumps – that’s about it.
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April 22, 2024 9:45am
- MCōs
  
  And that was despite trudging ten miles to school in bare feet in waist deep snow
  
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  April 22, 2024 11:48am
- Benedict Yu
  
  There should be no Measles, Chickenpox, or Mumps in New Zealand these days.
  
  As for the common cold, I think we need to apply common sense. If I had a coworker in an office with s ‘sniffly nose’, no problem. If I had a coworker with a heavy cold, sneezing, coughing, and clearly unwell, I would be quite unhappy.
  
  So if a kid has a streaming nose and is coughing all over the place, then no, he or she should not be at school.
  
  Anyway I think this debate about what constitutes a “sick” child is a distraction. the problem is not sick kids being away from school. It is thousands of kids being away from school for no good reason at all.
  
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  April 22, 2024 12:09pm
  - rouppe
    
    A streaming nose and coughing all over the place can be managed with Otrivin and some throat lozenges
    
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    April 22, 2024 12:48pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yeah only up to a point. A mild cold, fine. A serious cold with full blown symptoms.? I don’t want folk like that sitting next to me.
      
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      April 22, 2024 1:44pm
- Ghost
  
  Can’t you? I remember kids being sent home in primary school for having lice. Actually remember the teacher pulling out the lice comb and checking every student, then those with it sent to the nurses office to have their parents called to come get them. Also remember a teacher in primary school being off with the flu because the teacher that came into the class to take over called the class a bunch of sheep, everyone baa’d at her, she left and never returned.
  
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  April 22, 2024 12:15pm
  - MCōs
    
    We had nuns at primary school
    I thought they were particularly mean to the boys.
    My sisters all went to the same school and one of them told me recently she thought the nuns were tough on the girls and favoured the boys
    That was St Joseph’s and the non-Catholics, who we didn’t talk to, went to Waimataitai School, which had the murder house; so it was double terror getting your teeth drilled
    We didn’t miss a day of school for a mere sore throat, but my future brother in law contracted rheumatic fever, which remained undiagnosed until his heart gave out in his early sixties
    
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    April 22, 2024 12:55pm
    - Ghost
      
      I remember that god awful moment in primary when a kid walks into the class with a name on a tooth shaped card. Every child looks down at the desk, waiting in horror for the teacher to call the name.
      
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      April 22, 2024 1:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I remember kids being sent home in primary school for having lice.
    
    Never happened in my school life or my children’s..
    (ie from 1950s -2010s).
    Nitty kids may have been given a note to take home to parents, but they were never sent out of class.
    
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    April 22, 2024 1:01pm
    - Ghost
      
      And yet it’s still advised today
      
      Ministry education
      
      Will my child have to stay away from school?
      The Ministry of Health advise that a child with live lice should stay away from kura or school until treatment has started. Once the treatment has started, the school shouldn’t exclude your child or ask you to keep them at home.
      
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      April 22, 2024 1:34pm
      - MCōs
        
        Kill the little bastards with wonder all purpose treatment ivermectin!
        Sort out any lingering covid-19 issues at the same time
        
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        April 22, 2024 3:38pm
I remember when

A group of scientists who looked into the causes of the drought that has affected parts of Africa reported they couldn’t find any links to climate change.
El Nino, a natural climate pattern, made drought twice as likely.
But scientists from W.W.A. and other institutions acknowledged that man-made global warming could have played a role.
They say, droughts are a lot harder to attribute to global warming than heatwaves.
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April 22, 2024 10:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Amy Brooke.

http://www.100days.co.nz/
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April 22, 2024 10:27am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Good comments from readers.
“Dear Mr. Luxon,
I’m very angry and disillusioned with you over the Waitangi Tribunal comments made by David and Shane. I think a large part of the population would agree with them that the Tribunal is away past its use by date.”

Luxon is an advocate for Maori privilege. He is not playing the coalition game, simply leaving Act and NZF out of decisions.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/what-the-fast-track-approvals-bill-tells-us-about-the-coalition/
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April 22, 2024 10:36am
- peterwn
  
  Chris Luxon would be well aware of the issues but has chosen to play a cool game. Just give the Maori elite plenty of rope to hang themselves.
  
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  April 22, 2024 11:30am
  - thirteenstars
    
    The “Maori elite” have hung themselves over and over again. They seem to be immune to the rope.
    
    Softly, softly, catchee monkey–which I think is the unofficial motto of the National Party–is a failed strategy and actually an excuse not to stand up for a principle.
    
    If any moves are made to clip the wings of the Waitangi Tribunal it’ll be because of pressure from ACT and NZF, not because of some cunning stratagem from the National brains trust.
    
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    April 22, 2024 12:03pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      “… it’ll be because of pressure from ACT and NZF ..”
      – cunning stratagem by that brains trust …
      
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      April 22, 2024 12:38pm
    - peterwn
      
      It is happening right now in the High Court. Top Crown lawyers are seeking a ruling that the Waitangi Tribunal cannot coercively ‘summon’ Childrens Minister Karen Chhour.
      
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      April 22, 2024 2:15pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Seem to be many around that haven’t cottoned on to a repetitive script play between the coalition leaders that has been going on since the day a formal coalition announcement was made.
    
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    April 22, 2024 12:06pm
I remember when

Fire Sparks Questions about DOC Choices: NZ Farmers Weekly.
“Management of Department of Conservation land has come into question following a vegetation fire in North Otago that threatened neighbouring farmland.”
“For five years this land has not been grazed.
I have been always saying it is a fire risk, it needs to be grazed and two years ago, I again offered to graze it for them but they said no, and they had their reasons.”
“DOC hasn’t been communicating, it did not want to listen to local community knowledge.”
“Yes they were trying to save a rare plant or something.”

Myopia? Not climate change.
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April 22, 2024 10:37am
- Ehlana
  
  I wonder how the fire knows not to burn the rare plants?
  
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  April 22, 2024 1:27pm
  - kowtow
    
    Could be like that cunning virus , targetting the unvaxed .
    
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    April 22, 2024 3:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The View is coming for your guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hS5e0PkASo
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April 22, 2024 10:55am
Chuck Bird

The man who bashed the granny only was charged with common assault. Why?

Auckland man Parminder Dhaliwal’s descent into violence, porn, booze, adultery after wedding

The 31-year-old Auckland man appeared for sentencing in the Hamilton District Court last week on 12 charges ranging from male assaults female to assault and injuring with intent to injure to injuring with reckless disregard and strangulation, which Judge Glen Marshall dubbed the most serious offence.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-man-parminder-dhaliwals-descent-into-violence-porn-booze-adultery-after-wedding/Q5VUZZ6L65EVHHRJTSXWLW67FA/
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April 22, 2024 11:22am
- Ghost
  
  Why are you even trying to compare the cases.
  
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  April 22, 2024 11:24am
  - Ghost
    
    In June he punched, kicked, slapped and pulled her hair, and in September of that same year, he punched her multiple times to the head in an argument over the payment of bills.
    
    The following month he again punched her multiple times to the head, and the assaults continued in December 2021.
    
    In June 2022, he again punched, kicked, and slapped her so hard that it caused her to lose a tooth. He also strangled and shook her.
    
    The next month he slapped her again and kicked her in the stomach as she lay on the floor.
    
    In the assault in August 2022 he pushed her onto the pavement where she struck her head and lost consciousness.
    
    The assaults continued each month through to November.
    
    In January 2023, while on bail, the pair argued and he again slapped her and he began packing up his belongings.
    
    She tried to calm him down and apologised but instead, Dhaliwal kicked her multiple times in the stomach and legs then pinned her down on the bed and strangled her as she struggled to breathe.
    
    He then punched her several times, strangled her again and repeated that at least three times.
    
    Dhaliwal then picked up an electric fan and swung it at her. The guard then fell off and it exposed the blades, which were operating at the time.
    
    He then punched her “really hard” in the chest, causing her considerable pain.
    
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    April 22, 2024 12:00pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      He was correctly charged but so should the granny basher.
      
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      April 22, 2024 3:37pm
      - Ghost
        
        He was correctly charged. You may not like the charge but he was correctly charged with assault.
        
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        April 22, 2024 3:46pm
I remember when

Gorse is accepted as an ideal cover for the regeneration of forestry which then prevents the regrowth of the thousands of gorse plants that would grow otherwise.
As the trees mature the gorse is replaced by them.
Attempts to replace gorse with pasture require considerable chemical assistance.
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April 22, 2024 11:34am
Inandout

The world has truly gone insane.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/ucla-study-gay-couples-at-greater-risk-from-climate-change/
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April 22, 2024 11:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  That narrative is not new. Most ‘vulnerable’ groups claim to be more adversely affected by climate change. The Ministry of Primary Industries has concluded that Maori will be more adversely affected by climate change than other New Zealanders.
  
  https://www.mpi.govt.nz/dmsdocument/26869-the-climate-change-challenge-for-maori
  
  Greenpeace has long advocated that trans people are more adversely affected by climate change.
  
  https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/60078/impact-climate-crisis-lgbtqia2s-pride-month/#:~:text=Furthermore%2C%20climate%20change%20exacerbates%20the,of%20climate%20breakdown%20on%20society.
  
  Sorry to disappoint. The world is more crazy than you thought. 🙂 And we are not done yet.
  
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  April 22, 2024 12:17pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Basically what they are saying is that those who are worse off before an event are likely to be less prepared for it and to have fewer resources to help themselves after it.
    
    This is not really news and I think most of the answers lie in making common cause with others, rather than dividing yourself from them. For example, arguing for more provision of unisex toilet and shower cubicles, rather than male access to female facilities.
    
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    April 22, 2024 2:19pm
- surfing
  
  Weak people with weak minds , focusing on their own needs at the expense of the wider population.
  
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  April 22, 2024 12:48pm
Maggie Pie

And see where the Destiny crew who painted out the Rainbow Ped Crossing in Gizzy
are there in court today.
Bet they all plead not guilty.
Sounds like somebody might be looking for a ‘hate crime’ scalp?
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April 22, 2024 11:52am
- imalwaysright
  
  Meanwhile Kiri Alan lingers on the court waiting list .
  
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  April 22, 2024 3:35pm
  - Ghost
    
    Kiri’s trial starts in one month from today
    
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    April 22, 2024 3:48pm
peterwn

Misleading Herald headline –
“Fast-track consents bill: Two businesses invited to apply for fast-track consents donated to National, says Labour”
They were not invited. Bish has made this abundantly clear.

If there was a headline –
“Fast-track labour relations bill: Two unions invited to submit on bill donated to Labour, says Taxpayers Union”
Hold on – that headline would never appear in MSM.
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April 22, 2024 12:11pm
- Colville
  
  I think you will find Bish said they were invited to apply but not guaranteed that they would be accepted.
  
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  April 22, 2024 2:32pm
kevn

Like rust, they never sleep…
https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2024/04/22/maori-push-for-parallel-government-structures/#more-28258
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April 22, 2024 12:12pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Remember last week I shared the vid from Aucklands intrepid reporter Simon Anderson, where he captured besties Gerry & Golriz ‘taking tea’ outside a city coffee shop.

Well sounds like Simon may have come in for a little bit of flak.
Here he is with a ‘right-of-reply’ on bfd….

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1782158389147210204

If any of the predictions he makes as to the possible outcome of the case prove to be correct, most peoole would be very very concerned 🙁
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April 22, 2024 1:05pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  He went full conspiracy mode. I still think it’s far more likely that this was more of an exit interview type situation, possibly clearing up some additional accusations toward or from Golriz. Given the whole “mental health” argument the Left has used, it makes sense for the head of Parliamentary services to handle it in a public setting.
  
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  April 22, 2024 1:41pm
- Ghost
  
  Wow, that was a raving piece of crap. The guy that wrote it should consider medication. There is no issue with the meeting. Brownlee has no connection to her case, nor does he have the ability to interfere in her case. The only part he got right is that they are friends and Brownlee has said he considers her to be a friend. The rest, no wonder if is on bfd
  
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  April 22, 2024 1:48pm
- cmm
  
  I would be extremely surprised of a serial offender ends up with a conviction – let alone jail time.
  
  A conviction would interfere with her ability to travel. That would surely be seen to be cruel and unusual punishment.
  
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  April 22, 2024 1:51pm
  - I remember when
    
    “cruel and unusual punishment”
    will now be the outcome for every high-end shop she enters in the future.
    
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    April 22, 2024 2:50pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  From what he has written, Simon sounds like a plonker, to use a New Zealand term.
  
  I simply do not believe that there was anything underhanded in the meeting. He is a guy sneaking up on folk with a camera and crying conspiracy theories.
  
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  April 22, 2024 2:00pm
  - cmm
    
    Politicians are professional wrestlers. It’s just acting.
    
    They might growl at eachother in the ring, but off stage they’re mates. It’s a show for the audience (in this case the voters).
    
    I think it a bit tin-eared for the speaker to be fraternizing in public with a criminal ex-politician who have a case before the courts.
    
    When GG gets her pathetic sentence (almost guaranteed), there are going to be allegations of special rules for politicians. Brownlee being seen in public like this won’t help.
    
    Whether or not there is political interference is not all of it. There should also be no perception of a possibility of interference.
    
    Sorry BY, but this undermines confidence in both our political and judicial systems.
    
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    April 22, 2024 2:12pm
    - MCōs
      
      What would you consider a ‘pathetic sentence’, that isn’t out of line with similar cases that never come to public attention?
      
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      April 22, 2024 2:23pm
      - MCōs
        
        The amount G² is charged with stealing is no more than Winston stole from WINZ by incorrectly filling out his superannuation application and he just had to pay it back plus interest
        
        Just so you know
        “If you can’t get diversion and are convicted in court, this first shoplifting conviction is likely to be dealt with by a fine or a community-based sentence (like community work). Alternatively, the judge may order you to “come up for sentence if called upon” during a set time, usually six months or nine months.”
        Community Law
        
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        April 22, 2024 2:58pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        Similar cases? She was an elected public official so the only comparable cases are when other elected public officials have brazenly walked into shops and stolen. She belongs in the Auckland Region Women’s Corrections Facility.
        
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        April 22, 2024 7:44pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Sorry BY, but this undermines confidence in both our political and judicial systems..”
      
      Only if you think that Gerry Brownlee would or could interfere in GG’s trial and sentencing. I simply do not believe that could be so.
      
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      April 22, 2024 5:19pm
- MCōs
  
  From the opinion piece by Mister A
  
  “New Zealanders are so accustomed to selective law enforcement and a two-tiered justice system that we’ve become adept at predicting the outcome of criminal proceedings simply by considering the defendant. The charges seem almost immaterial: all that seems to count is who the defendant is.”
  
  Chap might like to come up with some examples
  I don’t mean sentences that he might consider lenient, but cases where obviously guilty defendants are let off for example
  
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  April 22, 2024 2:18pm
sirknz

Reason number 23,798,215 as to why journalists aren’t worth their weight in compost.

Women gets charged a fee from Wilsons Parking.

https://www.thepress.co.nz/nz-news/350245151/akaroa-stalwart-receives-hefty-parking-fine-despite-paying-fee

Journo calls it a ‘fine’. this is factually incorrect as only councils can issue parking fines. It is actually a parking invoice that was issued. If the journo had bothered to 5 minutes of research, they would have discovered that there are some conditions imposed on parking companies as to what they can charge people who have overstayed in their carparks and there is a certain wording you can use to get the invoice waived very quickly.

Basically, in this instance, Wilsons can only charge for any actual losses they have incurred and any reasonable admin fees. Now if the carpark is full, then they have lost out on a paying customer, if it is almost empty, they haven’t lost anything. When my wife overstayed in an empty Wilsons carpark, I to pay for the actual overage of the time she was there and a small fee to cover admin costs, but I also pointed out that there were no timestamps on their pictures, the parking area was empty, and their actual losses were zero dollars.

Oh, and also get your rego hidden on the NZTA website, it only takes a couple of minutes and it means that these guys can’t send you letters to your home address.
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April 22, 2024 1:17pm
- peterwn
  
  I think you are wrong on two counts:
  1. While ‘penalties’ are unenforceable under contract law, ‘liquidated damages’ are enforceable even if the quantum is roughly calculated on the back of a cigarette packet and included in contract terms before the event.
  2. NZTA will provide ownership details of a rego if there is adequate reason and upon payment of an appropriate fee.
  
  If people do not take paying such damages seriously they would risk being towed or clamped in the future. Take your pick.
  
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  April 22, 2024 5:43pm
mandk

The government will soon be introducing revised three strikes legislation (source: PR from the Associate Minister for Justice).

This sounds good, except that the legislation will “extend the use of the “manifestly unjust” exception to allow some judicial discretion to avoid very harsh outcomes and address outlier cases.”

This worries me because, under the previous legislation that presumably had tighter controls on the “manifestly unjust” exception, judges appeared to be over-keen to use the exception to save some really dreadful criminals from sentences they truly deserved.

A “manifestly unjust” judgement should not be the default position.
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April 22, 2024 1:32pm
- cmm
  
  Yup, DG should not be rolling out the barrel quite yet.
  
  The devil is always in the details. I would be very surprised if Labour-Lite reenstates 3S without first wrapping it in 5 layers of duct tape.
  
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  April 22, 2024 1:54pm
- MCōs
  
  I’ve been reading a book about the fate of the Jews 1933-45
  When the Nazis came to power in Germany in 1933 they set about arresting and banning opposition until they had created a one party state.
  And
  “The definition of crime and the nature of policing itself were transformed by the Law against Dangerous Habitual Criminals. Criminality itself
  was now deemed a genetic disorder . . . . The law mandated that after three convictions a felon would go to prison, no matter what the crimes happened to be”
  Final Solution, David Cesarani 2016
  
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  April 22, 2024 3:21pm
cmm

Doesn’t she know the last one died of an excess of health?

This fat activist let her daughter eat a stick of butter (I believe that is 120g) because she thought it was cheese. Jeez, butter or cheese, a kid eating 120g of either is surely a problem.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/fat-activist-virginia-sole-smith-is-inspiring-and-infuriating-her-followers/M4A62EXTSVBE5AWBV7QAV3KTLE/
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April 22, 2024 2:01pm
- NothingLeft
  
  A short bit of fatactivism pathos:
  https://youtu.be/bULD4lAEGcE
  
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  April 22, 2024 5:21pm
BananaLlama

Taylor Swift sold 1.6 million album copies in a single day while the dorks at the Auckland council couldn’t even be bothered to make sure she could host an event.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/taylor-swifts-new-album-sells-16-million-copies-in-us-in-single-day/GCH664AQGZGW7CF2JNY7YPCOM4/
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April 22, 2024 2:04pm
Maggie Pie

How long till we see this here?

It just shows how woke the American MSM have become.
Rather than simply describe the offender as a ‘black-man’, they opt instead for………… ‘massive goon’

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1782108757096267876
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April 22, 2024 2:21pm
rangitoto

Seventeen year old Dommaraju Gukesh has won the FIDE World Chess Championship Candidates tournament. The youngest ever winner of the Candidates will now face current champion Ding Liren.
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April 22, 2024 2:22pm
ecco

Very impressed to see Luxon unwinding the cluster that was the credit contracts act that literally tanked the housing market overnight back in November 2021.

Our household lost $600k due to that, as we put our house on the market the week those rules came in and virtually overnight absolutely no one could get loan financing. It took us over a year to sell our house and the one offer we got was $600k lower than market indications before that blunt instrument legislation was bought in.

So where now is the piece of cr*p that implemented that appalling piece of legislation ie David Clark -now a trougher on the Otago University council. About par for the course.
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April 22, 2024 2:30pm
- rouppe
  
  Yeah I was a little bit caught by that as well, though I’ll blame my own lack of attention also.
  
  I told my tenants I wanted to sell, and prefer to sell in that Spring. Similar houses were going around $1M.
  
  Tenants (of 11 years) said they were finishing a MBA thesis and could it wait until early the following year. Which I agreed to, and the rest is history. I was out about $200k
  
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  April 22, 2024 4:08pm
- MCōs
  
  My rates are based on a CV of $1.4mil on 1-June 2021
  I should have appealed because the I’m sure the actual value based on what it would have sold for would not have been in that ballpark, but who knows?
  The point being a house is worth what it sells for, not the CV, or what an agent tells you or your own guess.
  
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  April 22, 2024 5:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Was Joan Rivers right?
The evidence removal people got to her. Lack of oxygen right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lak8frcpIuo
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April 22, 2024 2:52pm
mogg

We all know this but listen to Melanie Phillips put it into words.
What a great speech, this is essential viewing.
And yes it does apply here in NZ, She makes it much easier to understand what is going on with Lab, Greens and TPM.
It’s no wonder the EU and UN wanted this event shut down.

https://youtu.be/EmCVoGc2IeY?si=U5Za4J1vrOeSeuDi
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April 22, 2024 3:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How to Caulk a crack.
Here are instructions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODvhF3CWFRg
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April 22, 2024 3:23pm
Maggie Pie

An ‘X’ bestie asks….

“What’s going on with Jacinda Ardern and the Christchurch Call?”

New Zealand at the crossroads…. ‘signal right but turn left’

https://twitter.com/2ETEKA/status/1782085881500966951
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April 22, 2024 3:46pm
- kevn
  
  Goneburger… surely.
  
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  April 22, 2024 4:21pm
Ghost

3 strikes coming back

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee have unveiled a revised Three Strikes law, which was abolished under the Labour Government.

Luxon said the Government has a target to have 20,000 fewer victims of violent crime by 2029.

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April 22, 2024 4:35pm
Benedict Yu

I had a routine email inquiry with a government agency today.

I got a reply “One of our kaimahi will be in touch.”

Now maybe I am slow to learn, but I did need to google that to find out its meaning. 🙁

Sometimes I wonder if I am the only person in New Zealand who has this mental jarring whenever I receive these emails. 🙁 because clearly if the majority of folk had to use google to figure out what just happened, there would be complaints and this stuff would stop. Right?

EDIT – since the change of government I detect a doubling down of this ‘mixed language’ communication.
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April 22, 2024 5:09pm
- greybeard
  
  Interesting: I listen to Hosking every morning and have noticed that for the last 6 months or so very few of his callers/guests ever use a maori greeting, except for a few die-hard Uni-types and a few women who are in charge of taxpayer-funded crap organisations.
  Most of them seem to have got the message.
  
  Of course there are still radio ads which include the odd token maori word but I just turn it off for a few minutes and deny the advertisers their airtime.
  
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  April 22, 2024 5:15pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Just an addendum…
  
  I am not volunteering to investigate this, but I very much doubt that there is any country in the world where communications from government agencies require the recipients of the communications to use google translate to figure out the message – where such recipients are the speakers of the majority official language of the nation.
  
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  April 22, 2024 5:45pm
  - Dougal10
    
    If you have to translate a email from the govt it is obviously unimportant and can be marked as spam , which usually stops more coming as well. I follow this practice and my in box is very manageable now.
    
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    April 22, 2024 8:31pm
Maggie Pie

See where 1ZB have led the last 2 news bulletins seeking Chippy’s opinion.
OMG he is soooo pathetic!
Barking at every passing car. Why do they even bother?
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April 22, 2024 5:22pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I have seen you do this before. 1ZB stopped broadcasting in 1987. What am I missing?
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_stations_in_Auckland
  
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  April 22, 2024 5:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And i’ve told yu b4 we have a fab old green Bell trannie in the kitchen that souns kike you woudnt believe and all the stations are maked like that!
    1 2 3 4….. AM only.
    
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    April 22, 2024 6:30pm
Paul

Welcome to the future of New Zealand, where Psychopathic Killers get to spend less than a decade between them behind bars. These types of people are multiplying at a greater rate than the general population. This type of brazen violence could not be worse, yet here we are, with Judges embracing the worst of humanity in their warm, safe, caring, forgiving, totally misguided empathy, giving killers a slap on the wrist.
Jail sentences handed down for murder and manslaughter in Hastings’ Darcy Strickland case.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/jail-sentences-handed-down-for-murder-and-manslaughter-in-hastings-darcy-strickland-case/SMCAFH2DSVF3JL3EORPQAHVRYM/
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April 22, 2024 6:01pm
- fernglas
  
  I don’t understand the “less than a decade between them” reference. One got life with a minimum of 12 years, and the other 3 years plus for manslaughter. The 12 year minimum period seems low for such a brutal attack, but if the PoS carries on like that in prison, he will be very unlikely to get out at the minimum period.
  As an aside, New Zealand courts are pretty soft on sentencing; a similar killing in the UK saw a life sentence with a minimum of 17 years imposed.
  
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  April 22, 2024 6:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Guess who got arrested today?
Dam, it is past 4pm. The people in grey suits are stuck on the public transport.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auWhk6ZePUk
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