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Steve Otto(North Shore)

$1.5M raised on Trump’s first day of trial (Jury selection)
Most Americans appear to believe these trials are only politically motivated.

https://pjnewsletter.com/trump-gets-a-surprise-bonus/?
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April 18, 2024 8:02am
- Chuck Bird
  
  ‘Americans understand this is craziness’: Biden’s hyperbole against Trump ‘will fail’
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me97robo3zI
  
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  April 18, 2024 2:00pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It’s funny how Mr Magoo calls Trump supporters “extreme MAGA”. WTF does that even mean? Extremely enthusiastic about making America great again? Gosh, how, um, terrifying!
    
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    April 19, 2024 12:38am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone else see Hipkins say that Luxon should have said something to the Thai Head of State about the two Kiwis who assaulted a cop? If so, who is wrong Luxon or Hipkins?
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April 18, 2024 8:04am
- alex Masterley
  
  Hipkins is an idiot if he expects Luxon to make a comment about those two idiots.
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:07am
  - Flossie
    
    The only comment he could possibly make would be to apologise.
    
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    April 18, 2024 8:12am
  - RichardF
    
    Typical Labour, they think they can save everyone. No concept of personal responsibility.
    
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    April 18, 2024 8:13am
    - I remember when
      
      Personal responsibility – what’s the government for?
      
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      April 18, 2024 1:49pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Right RichardF and we know their claim of We Can Do This was just PR dross. We do have to note that Chippie is consistent but still likes to think his opinion matters. What a putz.
      
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      April 18, 2024 9:11pm
  - kowtow
    
    What can anyone expect from a guy who has trouble defining a ‘woman’.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:14am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Chippy should offer to take their place.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:18am
    - Geri Sjovik
      
      Nah, based only on what I have read those twats deserve to stay there and spend a few years losing their sense of entitlement.
      
      However, I would be in agreement with chippy spending a few years in their company.
      
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      April 18, 2024 10:50am
- Ra Henare
  
  So what should have Luxon said.?
  
  Keep the idiots in jail and let due process continue.
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  Be soft cocks and let the idiots go home
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:17am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    If anything, he should have said “We respect the laws of your beautiful country and are confident that a fair trial will take place. We will not be making any further comment while that process is underway.”
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:23am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Chris Luxon is not meeting the Thai Head of State.
  
  Anyway, what would he say? Such interventions generally happen in two circumstances. Firstly, where an arrest is clearly corrupt, eg a journalist arrested for “spying”. Secondly, where an offender has been sentenced to death.
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:25am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I agree with everyone who has commented. I was just wondering who else noticed now that many do not follow MSM.
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:29am
- Gravelroad
  
  Why should a Prime Minister interfere in a case like this?
  If two people from the UK came here and had an alleged scuffle with local police after allegedly breaking a law pertaining to traffic regulations, would we expect the English PM to intervene?
  Mr Hipkins would do better to think about what his own former Minister of Justice allegedly did re traffic offending here.
  Did he intervene in that case?
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pissed, bang, then run away. Different when the left do it.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:06am
- sungsamning
  
  Hipkins. Let them rot in jail. They’re the authors of their own misfortune.
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:39am
  - MCōs
    
    According to a contributor yesterday the gossip in Hamilton would suggest these chaps have been hard done by.
    Wouldn’t surprise me at all, although the video clips were quite compelling and humiliating a policeman is not a good look
    I’m thinking the best they can hope for is a conviction and deportation. A fair amount of groveling wouldn’t hurt.
    
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    April 18, 2024 3:41pm
- cmm
  
  Based on the history of what Hipkins has experienced it would seem to be a perfectly reasonable thing to say.
  
  After all, Cindy clearly interfered on behalf of Karel Sroubek.
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:40am
- Damocles11
  
  It was just the biased MSM inviting Hipkins to attack the PM about something. And of course he obliges. It’s a nightly occurrence. What would we say of two Thai’s attacked a New Zealand cop? This is an unfortunate case but the legal process on Thailand will have to take its course. If we talk down to overseas countries and act as if it is a given that their legal system is inherently ‘bad’ then it would come across as patronising and offensive. When you look at the mess our legal system is in then we probably don’t have solid ground to stand on when taking a pop at anyone else.
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:01am
- julesnzuk
  
  Were they “kiwis” or New Zealanders?
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:57am
  - Phronesis
    
    Depends if they end up in a cage or not.
    
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    April 18, 2024 2:52pm
  - MCōs
    
    There is no such word as kiwis
    The plural of kiwi when referring to the bird is kiwi
    When referring to New Zealanders the word is capitalized thus, Kiwi and the plural is Kiwis
    NZers have been referred to as Kiwis since WWI
    
    I once worked in an office in London where they moaned endlessly about foreigners. One day it all got a bit tedious and I reminded them I was a foreigner
    No I wasn’t I was told, you’re a Kiwi
    
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    April 18, 2024 4:04pm
    - Lenticular
      
      No.
      
      Forms of loan words and even foreign words can be created according to the rules of the language that borrows them, particularly in colloquial English.
      
      “Kiwis and kererus taste great” is grammatically correct, as well as in accordance with tikanga as practised at several iwi comferences in recent times.
      
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      April 18, 2024 4:54pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      It never has a capital letter because it’s the name of a species of bird. Using it to refer to people is slang and using it in a formal context is not only sloppy and dumbed down it’s reductive, cringeworthy crap (which is why it suits the left to use it – they like patting us on the head like toddlers). Affectionate anecdotes from the past (where a well meaning official was too lazy to pronounce “New Zealander”) don’t make it any less so – if we’re less foreign than others in the UK it’s because we’re ethnically British and the UK is our ancestral homeland. Refraining from putting an s on the end because you want to use Maori language rules for plurals doesn’t make it any more correct either. There’s only one demonym and it’s New Zealander – you don’t get to redefine us.
      
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      April 18, 2024 6:13pm
- Beach Haven expat
  
  Don’t recall Chippy being worried about Kiwis overseas during the pandemic – particularly one who the Taliban showed me consideration for than her own government.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:19am
  - kowtow
    
    Taliban and consideration for women does not belong in the same sentence.
    
    Whatever about the Ardern regime’s draconian , un necessary Covid response what we were treated to by Al Jazeera in cahoots with the Taliabn and Bellis ,that was also pure theatre /propaganda.
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:46am
    - Paulus
      
      See Ardern is in Cambridge University with some Hard Leftwing Women’s movement.
      Who is paying for her overseas trips, bet they are not steerage class.
      – I hope we are not but !~
      
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      April 18, 2024 1:41pm
      - Sacha
        
        I think she is registered with an agency that find places for her to speak at.
        Fees for celebs range from about 15 to some hundreds of ks, but I doubt that she’s in that league.
        
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        April 18, 2024 6:00pm
- NoFax
  
  Thailand is a “face” culture and, therefore, if Luxon actually wants to help the two brothers then the best thing he could do is praise the Thai system. Say that NZ respects the Thai people and we are embarrassed by these two. Without their being much defence, the best the two can hope is provide some compensation to the police officer and then get deported. If we make a song and dance of it the Thai will have to punish the two brothers in order to save face.
  
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  April 18, 2024 4:40pm
Lenticular

I see that the government has decided to give Mt Taranaki personhood and replicate the Urewera agreement by instituting cogovernance of the National Park.

Stop supporting this government. They are fraudulent.
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April 18, 2024 8:08am
- I remember when
  
  There is at least some justification for co-governance in the Ureweras and Mt Taranaki.
  It is ensuring that the necessary management procedures are in place and followed that is the problem.
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:42am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yes, co-governance has worked so well in the Ureweras. The huts that haven’t been demolished or removed are so poorly maintained, as are the tracks, that nobody wants to go there. Total cluster-whatsit, planned and executed.
    
    DOC has way too much power and influence in what turn out to be commercial or political issues. Anyone calling into Mt Cook village and enquiring about the saga of the Old Mountaineers cafe and restaurant will understand what I’m referring to. Clear case of corruption to look after their mates.
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:26am
  - rouppe
    
    Still don’t understand what “personhood” means, legally.
    
    If someone gets caught in a snowstorm, or landslide, and is injured or killed, the mountain must then be culpable. Surely…
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:33am
    - Damocles11
      
      Sue the local Iwi who are the guardians of the person/mountain I guess. The Supreme Court might even rule you have a case under Tikanga, ‘New Zealand’s oldest law’ and now seemingly a part of ‘the law’.
      
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      April 18, 2024 11:16am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Might need RocketLab to give it its covid jab.
      
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      April 18, 2024 1:07pm
- Scott
  
  You might have to give a source? Regarding personhood of the mountain which seems as first glance to be a deeply pagan animist spiritual concept I found this information from 2017 –
  
  “Mt Egmont/Taranaki will become a legal personality, in its own right, with joint responsibility shared between local Māori and the government in an agreement signed with the eight iwi of Taranaki in parliament today says Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Andrew Little.
  
  “This is a great day for the people of Taranaki. As a New Plymouth local I grew up under the gaze of the maunga so I’m particularly pleased with the respect accorded to local tangata whenua and the legal protection and personality given to the mountain.”
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/landmark-day-taranaki-maunga
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:52am
  - Lenticular
    
    Source below. Luxon and co were ramming this crap through this week.
    
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    April 18, 2024 4:56pm
    - Ghost
      
      The crown and Ngā Iwi o Taranaki signed Te Ruruku Pūtakerongo agreement last September.
      
      Nothing has been rammed through. Andrew Littles bill which passed its first reading was introduced on the 6th of September 2023
      
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      April 18, 2024 5:22pm
- julesnzuk
  
  And the other lot are a better alternative? I say vote ACT or NZ First instead of milksop National.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:00am
- Ghost
  
  Mt Taranaki was given personhood under the labour government in 2017
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/22/new-zealand-gives-mount-taranaki-same-legal-rights-as-a-person
  
  And the co governance was given last year by the then labour government
  
  https://www.simpsongrierson.com/insights-news/legal-updates/taranaki-mounga-settlement-legal-personality-and-co-governance-a-feature-of-modern-settlements#:~:text=As%20part%20of%20the%20Treaty%20settlement%20package%2C%20Taranaki,interests%20of%20the%20Mounga%20and%20enhance%20its%20mana.
  
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  April 18, 2024 11:23am
- Scott
  
  Lenticular – I think you are wrong on the facts. These things happened under the previous government. See the other posts from myself and ghost.
  
  This government is doing very well in my opinion. 3 waters has gone, Maori health authority has gone. There’s a lot of vim and vigour to overturn the legislation of the previous government and bring in some common sense reforms.
  
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  April 18, 2024 11:27am
- Lenticular
  
  https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/04/10/government-looks-to-honour-taranaki-mounga-deal/
  
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  April 18, 2024 12:27pm
  - Ghost
    
    Yes it is a treaty settlement negioated by the previous government and agreed to. The bill settling it before parliament is from then minister Andrew little.
    
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    April 18, 2024 12:36pm
    - Lenticular
      
      To hell with that. An agreement that causes such grave constitutional damage should be ripped up.
      
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      April 18, 2024 3:05pm
      - Ghost
        
        Too bad. The crown and iwi signed their agreements last September
        
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        April 18, 2024 5:30pm
Maggie Pie

“Liars and thieves”

That’s how Ngai Te Rangi chief Paora Stanley describes some emergency housing tenants who he says are just scamming it and ripping off the services.

“Liars and cheats are clogging our system. They always have and always will….so we have to wade through their bullshit and end up wasting a lot of time”

– Rotorua Daily Post
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April 18, 2024 8:12am
- cmm
  
  That’s what to expect when you give things out “for free”?
  
  Take a look at the long queues that form up for the Auckland City Mission Christmas lunch every year. Many of those are also liars and cheats clogging up the system too.
  
  It starts of as redirected charity, then it becomes an entitlement, then it becomes a freebie that you’re stupid if you don’t take.
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:27am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “…then it becomes a freebie that you’re stupid if you don’t take.”
    
    Its not stupidity to not take something just because its free.
    The ones I feel for are those who could do with the help but are too proud to take it.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:08am
    - cmm
      
      “The ones I feel for are those who could do with the help but are too proud to take it.”
      
      Good on them. They will persist and likely get ahead of their problems.
      
      No, it isn’t stupidity to take stuff that is handed out “for free”, but it is stupid thinking this will improve either society or people’s lives in the long run.
      
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      April 18, 2024 9:47am
  - kujira
    
    Bludgers! and look at the FREE food store in West Auckland a few years back – to help locals that needed it. People driving up from Waikato to fill the Holden with free kai! Closed down very quickly as those in actual need were trampled in the rush for FREE shit!
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:16am
    - MCōs
      
      The Sisters of Compassion have been operating a soup kitchen in Wellington since 1901. Right through the lockdown too
      Nobody turned away hungry
      Nobody is trampled in the rush
      Maybe you’d like to send a donation or even volunteer
      https://compassion.org.nz/our-places/compassion-soup-kitchen/
      
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      April 18, 2024 9:32am
      - sirknz
        
        You can’t really sell that soup on Facebook Marketplace.
        
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        April 18, 2024 9:37am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Does this buit of trivia refute what was said above?
        …..Whadaboutism?
        And statement like above on Free Food failing due to misuse or greed does not mean an observer is obliged to offer money or services to any charity of provider, so the attempt to shame is in poor form.
        
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        April 18, 2024 10:06am
      - MCōs
        
        🔥
        The point was not charging people for food doesn’t necessarily mean the place will be swamped by those who shouldn’t be there
        
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        April 18, 2024 12:30pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        The Sisters run a tight ship. They know the people who turn up. It’s not just about the soup, and that’s the difference.
        
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        April 18, 2024 9:28pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Yes cmm, and I recall a photo of the queue in the Herald years ago when Key was PM. Only thing was, there was a decent number in the queue wearing nike trainers and mucking around with their iPhone. So poor they can’t afford a Christmas feed, but designer clothes, shoes and kit, no worries.
    
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    April 18, 2024 12:30pm
Matt Long

National Ministers Todd McClay and Simon Watts sensibly looking at alternatives to the Climate Change Commission advice on methane.
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/08/govt-sidelines-climate-commission-in-seeking-do-over-of-advice/
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April 18, 2024 8:12am
- Taieri
  
  “(…)Other greenhouse gases, like carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide, remain in the atmosphere for hundreds or thousands of years. Constant emissions of CO2 mean the world will keep warming at a constant rate. As emissions fall, the rate of warming will fall. If they hit net zero (emissions fully balanced by absorbing carbon through trees or mechanical measures), warming stops completely(…)”
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  If the “green house gases” remain in the atmosphere for “hundreds or thousands of years” the current level of “warming” can’t be reduced other than by removing these gases from the atmosphere at least at the same rate and over the same period as they were added to it. Is it physically possible at all? Could the Climate Commission tell us how?
  What a lot of bollocks…
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:28am
  - Spam
    
    Constant emissions of CO2 mean the world will keep warming at a constant rate.
    Well, it’s not quite as straight-forward as this. Ignoring the other myriad of variables, the relationship between CO2 concentration and heat trapping is logarithmic, not linear.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:28am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Suggest you watch this interview with Dr Richard Lindzen American atmospheric physicist known for his work in the dynamics of the middle atmosphere, atmospheric tides, and ozone photochemistry. He is the author of more than 200 scientific papers. From 1972 to 1982, he served as the Gordon McKay Professor of Dynamic Meteorology at Harvard University.
      
      I doubt he agrees with your assertion about the relationship between atmospheric CO2 concentrations & heat trapping. He sees no trouble from the process for the next 4000 years. Still what would he know?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LVSrTZDopM
      
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      April 18, 2024 9:51am
      - Spam
        
        I’m sure he’d agree that the relationship between CO2 and heating is logarithmic. It’s pretty well-understood. What exactly do you have a problem with? Me saying it’s not linear?
        
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        April 18, 2024 10:18am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I bet Luxon would refer to him as a denier.
        
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        April 18, 2024 10:41am
      - Don Beckett
        
        ” Constant emissions of CO2 mean the world will keep warming at a constant rate.”
        That statement is bullshit. As mentioned above, we need to understand the difference between linear & logarithmic. Even the IPCC does not agree with the statement..
        
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        April 18, 2024 10:57am
      - Local Miller
        
        Spam, the problem is most people don’t understand what’s meant by Logarithmic or what the log relationship is.
        The reality is that CO2 concentration causes temperature to rise by about 2.3C for a DOUBLING of CO2 concentration. But this is in the lab, there are too many other factors in the environment that impact on this relationship. In a Lab environment, going from the ~290 ppm we apparently had in about the 1860s to 580 ppm (still a long way off) would result in 2.3C increase. BUT similarly going from 200 ppm to 400 ppm or 500 ppm to 1000 ppm would also cause this increase.
        But this is all in a Lab, where CO2 is the only gas being tested. If you throw water vapour and methane into the mix, both of which have absorption specra that overlap with CO2 you get completely different increase rates with the impact of CO2 being much less. So in lab conditions it’s logarithmic, but in mixed gas environments like earth’s atmosphere, it’s more likely linear at best, and quite possibly not causing any increase at all.
        
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        April 18, 2024 11:24am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Local,
        
        You are correct, the co2 experiments are all done in labs observing minimal variables.
        The effect of co2 concentration on temperature is probably best described as asymptotic, at a high enough temperature it will be absorbed increasingly by the oceans and increased vegetation.
        
        Its rise leads to its demise, perhaps !
        
        The planet self regulates primarily according to the solar radiation.
        
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        April 18, 2024 1:16pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Both Lindzen and Happer have calculated that a doubling of atmospheric Co2 would cause less that 1C of additional warming. Alarmist turd-polishers have added unproven feedbacks to puff this up to around 3C (as they do). I’d trust Happer and Lindzen and dozens of other of others in their league over the alarmist zealots who have taken over the institutions.
        
        Keep in mind around 96% of atmospheric Co2 does not come from human activity!
        
        Keep in mind also that ice core and other proxy records clearly show temps rise first then atmospheric Co2 rises over hundreds of years later, NOT the other way around!
        
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        April 19, 2024 12:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Carbon, as an atom is always on this planet in one form or another. It does not come from somewhere else. When we burn a fossil fuel, say coal, we are just releasing stored carbon. It was not always coal.
    Humans are trying to fuck this planet up. Earth has ben through many things in the last 4.5+ billion years, and Earth will still be here long after humans have gone.
    There is nothing we can do that will destroy the planet. Even nuclear war, the planet will still be here, just different.
    So all the save this, save that, nutbars need to just STFU!
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:38am
  - sirknz
    
    Given what happened in Dubai with the seeding of rain clouds this week, I would not want any government tinkering with geo-engineering on a global scale.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:38am
    - Geri Sjovik
      
      At this I would mention the post I put up a few days ago about Newshub doing a story on a Republican state banning ‘chemtrails’.
      
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      Here’s a headline that was Newshub online;
      
      “Chemtrails banned in US state, despite chemtrails not existing’
      
      – Opening the article has this headline;
      
      “Tennessee Republicans pass ‘anti-chemtrails’ bill, despite chemtrails not existing”
      
      – Then runs 12 paragraphs full of snide innuendo about chemtrails being a conspiricy theory.
      
      – Not until the antepenultimate paragraph do we read that it is the result of Biden administration research and it is to ban ” … solar geoengineering: theoretical large-scale actions to mitigate climate change such as dispersing sulphur into the air to reflect sunlight.”
      
      – Nothing to do with chemtrails but Newshub weren’t going to let a chance go by to ridicule Republicans as chemtrail conspiricists.
      
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      April 18, 2024 10:56am
    - Local Miller
      
      All the experts are trying to explain that the cloud seeding didn’t cause the unusual rain. The logic is that cloud seeding only works if there’s already moisture in the air, so it was probably going to rain any way. Which of course doesn’t make a lot of sense since that means all the cloud seeding work is for nothing. How about the cloud seeding forced larger volumes of water to form clouds and hence more rain.
      @Geri Sjovik Not sure if you are trying to imply that Cloud Seeding is a conspiricy theory with your reference to chemtrails. Sorry, but cloud seeding is a real thing, and it is being done in Dubai. If you search the Internet you will see that many experts, including those in Dubai admit this is being done. Whether it works or not is a different question, but it’s definitely being tried. Dubai is denying they were cloud seeding before the last big storm, but they would deny this if they felt they were going to be blamed for the disaster. At least one group claims there was at least one cloud seeding plane in the air in the time leading up to the storm. So who to believe?
      
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      April 18, 2024 11:38am
      - Geri Sjovik
        
        No to cloud-seeding being a conspiricy.
        
        It was to show that some places are ahead of the need to make sure these events doen’t happen to them.
        
        It was also a dig at the allegedly unbiased newshub doing a story about a Republican state that passed legislation to stop this sort of disaster and newshub writing it up as conspiricy-mad Republicans.
        
        I wonder if they will do a story about the floods being an effect of cloud-seeding. Also to amend their first story.
        
        I won’t be holding my breath.
        
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        April 18, 2024 2:01pm
- Debsta
  
  Good!
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:30am
- Grunter
  
  It is great that we will now, hopefully, get the whole truth about methane. If we do then the alleged “50% of NZ’s emissions come from farming” claim will be ripped up. Which then means our emissions magically drop by about 50%.
  
  Meanwhile, the NZ sheep industry is being wrecked by the widespread planting of pine trees as an offset to CO2 emissions.
  
  All of this has been ‘centrally planned’ of course. Another example of failed Global Boiling socialism.
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    When sheep or cows fart, report them to AOC.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:39am
    - OlderChas
      
      Do humans emit methane when they belch or fart? If so – should we remove them all (I mean – there are billions of them!) to save the planet? //
      
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      April 18, 2024 10:51am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Pine trees only keep the CO2 until the rot or are burned.
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:42am
  - Damocles11
    
    We must eviscerate our farming industry – our number one source of emissions – ‘to prevent methane destroying the planet’.
    
    And meanwhile, in Turkmenistan….
    
    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/09/mind-boggling-methane-emissions-from-turkmenistan-revealed
    
    Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed
    Leaks of potent greenhouse gas could be easily fixed, say experts, and would rapidly reduce global heating
    
    Damian Carrington, Environment editor
    Tue 9 May 2023 06.00 BST
    
    ‘Methane leaks alone from Turkmenistan’s two main fossil fuel fields caused more global heating in 2022 than the entire carbon emissions of the UK, satellite data has revealed.
    Emissions of the potent greenhouse gas from the oil- and gas-rich country are “mind-boggling”, and an “infuriating” problem that should be easy to fix, experts have told the Guardian.‘
    
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    April 18, 2024 11:50am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Most methane comes from vegetation decomposing.
    If all vegetation was eaten by animals the methane in the atmosphere would be exactly the same.
    
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    April 18, 2024 1:26pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I wonder how long it will take for people to realise that warmer is better.
  If CO2 and methane are helping to make the planet a little bit warmer, this is a _good_ thing.
  Despite dire predictions from ‘experts’ about what will happen to the weather, IPCC tells us they’re unable to find any sort of trend in much of it, so I don’t see any great need to wreck our economy in a futile effort to stop the warming just yet.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:08am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Correct. About 8 0r 9 times as many people die of extreme cole than extreme heat.
    
    Bjorn Lomborg
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:44am
    - MCōs
      
      Especially on Mt. Everest
      
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      April 18, 2024 7:44pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Especially in Europe and North America. Nice try though.
        
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        April 19, 2024 12:56am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Methane Science Accord April newsletter
  
  https://www.facebook.com/methanescienceaccord
  
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  April 18, 2024 11:11am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    One thing I have noticed on Kiwiblog about climate change is that the is very little disagreement about the nonsense that Luxon has pushed. Many like me will vote Act or NZF. I expect it will be Act. I am happy about Seymour’s position on Isreal.
    
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    April 18, 2024 11:17am
    - Flossie
      
      Two and a half years prior to an election I would not make any prediction on which party will get my vote. A week is a long time in politics remember – so 2 1/2 years is an eternity during which who knows what will happen.
      
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      April 18, 2024 12:13pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Luxon may grow a pair or get rolled.
        
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        April 18, 2024 1:14pm
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        Who knows – we might even wind up with a right-wing party we can vote for!
        😉
        
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        April 18, 2024 1:30pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  If methane was really that dangerous there would be an excise duty put on boiled cabbage.
  Boiled cabbage creates a lot of methane for me. It makes me fart.
  There is no excise duty on boiled cabbage because this methane-bad carry-on is a lot of crap.
  
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  April 18, 2024 11:34am
- Chuck Bird
  
  This is a problem. This was in this morning’s Herald. The Herald will not allow a contrary view. Where does he come up with billions?
  
  Top marks for students
  
  I refer to David Seymour’s opinion piece (NZ Herald, April 10) in which he criticised school students for taking time off to protest about climate change, saying they needed to stay in school to eventually advance more technological solutions.
  
  He couldn’t be more wrong. Climate change is here now, costing us billions, and technological solutions are also here now, waiting to be implemented.
  
  What is not here now is resolve on the part of the boomer generation to lead society into accepting the need for immediate action in the face of overwhelming evidence that we need to do so. It seems the easiest path for politicians to fan the populist view that we need to do nothing and ride the wave that results.
  
  These students should be in school but instead they, accurately, feel they are having to take action to persuade an irresponsible government to actually do something to implement change rather than just pretend they will do so.
  
  I feel these students should be congratulated rather than criticised.
  
  Jeremy West, Remuera
  
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  April 18, 2024 11:37am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    “Climate change is here now”.
    What does that even mean? Presumably he thinks the evidence is all around us, and presumably things are bad.
    Serious question – Where is this evidence?
    What is it about the weather that is so obviously different from what it was a few decades ago?
    
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    April 18, 2024 11:50am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Climate alarmism fills columns for the MSM and is lovely clickbait for the gullible. They get a pat on the back from the woke cancel complex also. What’s not to like.
      
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      April 19, 2024 1:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

“There’s been a lot of growth throughout the last six years, and it’s not always clear what those additional people are doing or what value they’re adding.

Was Labour dumping folks into the Public Service to hide the true level of unemployment/unproductive employment in NZ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/350249071/public-service-cuts-situation-not-simple-it-seems
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April 18, 2024 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yes Labour were getting unemployment numbers down, but in the end it would have cost the Net Taxpayers more. Helen Clark did the same.
  What were the additional people doing? Watching others pretending to be working.
  The Public Sector is just a cash cow for these unemployable people.
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:32am
  - gravedodger
    
    There is so much to do Steve, Set up meeting, arrange venue, overhead projector, screen, sound system, then prepare presentation, email those required to attend, order refreshments.
    Then the nominated time arrives and the group assemble, presentation presented, discussion follows, and even a course of action might eventuate leading to yet another failing notion to be dumped in several file thirteens across several offices, time to go home, well done everyone, all punctuated by recommended Maori language insertions to validate the whole exercise.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:11am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Refreshments is top priority. Some refreshments go into the boots of people’s cars before they even arrive at the venue!
      File thirteens. Have not heard that for many years.
      
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      April 18, 2024 9:47am
    - Flossie
      
      Did you forget the karakia?
      
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      April 18, 2024 9:53am
      - OlderChas
        
        And the waiata!
        
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        April 18, 2024 10:53am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Start and end with a karakia too.
      Don’t forget the karakia.
      
      (opps, Flossie beat me too it. Seeing it in the private and NGO sector too these days…Urgh!)
      
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      April 18, 2024 10:13am
- cmm
  
  To an extent, but also to get more votes and cause some sabotage.
  
  If they really wanted to hide unemployment they would have employed these people back in 2022 or so.
  
  By leaving this bubble of employment to just before the election they could:
  1) Remind people to vote for Labour because National will take away your shiny new job.
  2) Give National a shitstorm to deal with that causes a lot of people a lot of pain which they will now associate with National being mean.
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    1 and 2 are both correct. All part of leaving the cupboards bare.
    Just plain nasty. Remember Clark and Cullen? Both resigned on Election eve.
    Jaspinda got the shits and ran.
    
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    April 18, 2024 8:37am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Yes, just like employing people and signing building leases etc. for 3 Waters in last few months of their term knowing they were unlikely to win the election. Now the tax payer has to pay to get out of these things or terminate peoples contracts.
      
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      April 18, 2024 9:01am
    - Prince
      
      To be fair to Ardern, she could read a poll, or a trusted advisor could.
      She has escaped relatively unscathed, now overseas among the adoring masses.
      
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      April 18, 2024 9:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Quite disgusting really, to do that much damage to people and property and just walk away. Should be in jail.
        
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        April 18, 2024 10:55am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Why be fair to Ardern? Was she fair to the people & the country?
        
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        April 18, 2024 11:01am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        She blackmailed us Don.
        Evil woman.
        
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        April 18, 2024 12:22pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        I wonder if she has taken out dual citizenship in a more adern friendly country?
        
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        April 18, 2024 1:32pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        Be fair to Ardern? I suspect she was rolled by Labour and I don’t call receiving death threats (which I don’t condone, to be clear) emerging “relatively unscathed”. Could she even live in NZ again?
        
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        April 18, 2024 6:26pm
  - jkt
    
    I think it is worse than that. They thought this would be transformational.
    
    The previous government has employed and deployed many public servants into groups that act as think tanks. Operating something like A Shark Tank.
    
    Many of these individuals are now anxiously waiting to see if their decisions to transfer to these groups will backfire on them.
    
    I think most of these people rightly believe that they will be redeployed. The only problem is that redeployment is not always an efficient way to get good talent with experience that is required for these new roles.
    
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    April 18, 2024 1:10pm
  - Paulus
    
    Probably in 2022 Labour never have believed that they were going to be eviscerated, as they were last year.
    
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    April 18, 2024 1:48pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  That might have been the effect but TBH I don’t think that the Ministers thought like that. They thought that they could fix every “problem” with vast amounts of money and the public service then did what they do. Spend it on more people.
  
  For a welcome change, I thought that was a good article. It highlights what I have been saying. There are real weaknesses in this 7.5 percent across the board approach to cutting. For example, the people who decide on the cuts are the very people who should be cut, the second tier executives being paid well over $400 k.
  
  What is needed is an exercise to match the numbers and skills of public servants with this government’s vision for the size and roles of government. Maybe this is planned, but it is as clear as mud right now.
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:37am
  - cmm
    
    I think there is more to it than that.
    
    There was a massive surge of hiring a whole lot of extra, and extra useless, people just before the election.
    
    If it was just fixing problems then they would have hired these people 2 years ago.
    
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    April 18, 2024 8:42am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Being the public service, the “useless” people will actually be quite well qualified, otherwise they would n0t have been able to get in at all. It seems that many/most are relatively young and it will often be their first job out of university. Of course the actual job they were doing may not have added much value, but I wouldn’t just write the people off as useless.
      I imagine a number may go and get additional qualifications, especially teacher training. With a degree already and a reasonable redundancy, it would only take one additional year to get a postgraduate teaching certificate.
      The system will steer many of them into the frontline jobs. Others may leave for the private sector, both here and in Australia.
      
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      April 18, 2024 9:32am
      - Prince
        
        Most wouldn’t go anywhere near the private sector:
        – Salaries are lower
        – Expected to turn up.
        – Measured on results.
        – Promotion on merit.
        
        There are exceptions, but in general not an environment they thrive in.
        
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        April 18, 2024 9:41am
      - rockape
        
        Many of those employed in the health service are well qualified nurses filling managerial rolls. They could easily be re-employed in the front line. Does a bed manager really need to have a nursing qualification.
        
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        April 18, 2024 9:51am
      - Taieri
        
        Being the public service, the “useless” people will actually be quite well qualified, otherwise they would n0t have been able to get in at all.
        ————-
        
        Of course they will be well qualified. Just like Grant Robertson, who is very well qualified for his new job…
        
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        April 18, 2024 9:52am
      - septic skeptic
        
        I didn’t realize there was much demand for graduates with a deep knowledge of te ao maori in Oz.
        
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        April 18, 2024 9:53am
      - Flossie
        
        @ rockape…
        My sister in law is a qualified senior nurse and if you told her she had to leave her administrative post and go back to the wards she would rather resign. Would you want to to be on your feet every shift?
        
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        April 18, 2024 9:57am
      - cmm
        
        Wayne, to be useful requires more to being capable and qualified. It also needs a situation where people can be used effectively.
        
        Somehow the government functioned fine for 5.5 years, but they had to suddenly add an extra wave of thousands of staff just before the elections. They were clearly not brought on to bring skills to the table.
        
        ” It seems that many/most are relatively young and it will often be their first job out of university.”
        
        ie. useless. Going to university does not give you skills and make you capable. It maybe teaches you to learn, but you still need time in the real workplace to actually learn. That is why most employers are not really interested in graduates, but are looking for staff with 5+ years of experience.
        
        Yes, that’s a harsh reality. But it is reality.
        
        This is especially true in jobs with high skill levels such as engineering. Getting a job in NZ as a graduate is extremely hard, but once you have a few years on your CV it is relatively easy. The bottom few rungs of the career ladder are missing.
        
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        April 18, 2024 9:57am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Sighhh Wayne.
        
        Having worked in a large and small Government agency over the last 6-7 years I can tell you compared to private sector, where I have also work many a year, that a large chunk of government employees are:
        
        1/ Over qualified with BA’s from Vic in nothing of use. They become Policy Analysts and produce dross directed by Senior Policy Analysts – see point 2;
        2/ Young and callow – have no real perspective beyond secondary school and Vic, hence why they are prone to think Government can fix everything and socialism is wonderful. Easy prey for the ideological Senior Policy Analysts who are driven by anti-freedom personal agendas; and
        3/ Would struggle to maintain the levels of productivity required in private sector companies.
        
        A lot of these youngsters are going to struggle to find work that pays anywhere near government scales – and suggesting they go teaching, do you hate children? What could be worse than a socialist leaning failed policy analyst teaching!!!
        
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        April 18, 2024 9:59am
      - cmm
        
        rockape:
        
        During the Cindy years, the hospitals fired a lot of support staff. This was not helpful.
        
        In 2022 when I was in hospital for a brief period, they’d got rid of a lot of the nurse aids. Who cares right? They are not nurses.
        
        The problem then was that the already overworked nurses were now burdened with the lower-skilled jobs that the nurse aids had previously been doing (making beds etc).
        
        That put even more pressure on the already demoralised nurses and they were quitting in numbers never seen before.
        
        Likewise, the nurse management was being done by qualified nurses – a waste of training and such. Those roles should be performed by support staff – not technical staff.
        
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        April 18, 2024 10:18am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        JimBobJoe,
        
        In my experience, the young policy analysts were among the smartest people in the public service. They tend to have degrees chock fill of “A’s”. Typically very good at writing and very good at analysis. I suspect the system will try and keep a fair few.
        
        Those who leave the public service are likely to go to finance and other analytical roles.
        
        cmm,
        
        I agree, most policy analysts won’t end up in engineering jobs, not really their skill set.
        
        If you want to think of the English equivalent, it is the Oxford PPE.
        
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        April 18, 2024 10:42am
      - Keith White
        
        Wayne quoth: “Being the public service, the “useless” people will actually be quite well qualified, otherwise they would n0t have been able to get in at all.”
        
        Are you serious?
        
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        April 18, 2024 11:02am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “I imagine a number may go and get additional qualifications, especially teacher training. With a degree already and a reasonable redundancy, it would only take one additional year to get a postgraduate teaching certificate.”
        
        Wayne I have worked with many such public servants and I cannot imagine any of them becoming teachers.
        
        Also if it is their first job out of university, their redundancy payout will be bugger all. Around 2 weeks pay for each year served. They are all going to need to find a job, not go back to university to do teacher training.
        
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        April 18, 2024 11:55am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        A good long time ago I dealt with Treasury. The youngsters there were indeed very well qualified. Pretty much all Honours Degree holders and fresh from Uni. Sure they were academically clever, but real world? Nope. I am not saying they were useless, but neither were they great. And those that stay, never get any real world experience.
        
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        April 18, 2024 12:27pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Wayne…. The smart Policy Analysts you see as a Politician are a front put up by the Ministries….
        
        They dont display their antipathy for freedom of any kind to Ministers.
        
        They may have loys of As on their degrees… I do as well… That means little.
        
        What matters is balanced advice not ideological rubbish.
        
        Too many Ministries produce socialist policy as advice and silly Ministers follow it.. Hence the crap state of our wconomy and society.
        
        [Mod – debate without making it personal]
        
        Socialism produces nothing but despaor and declining living standards as any country not blessed with oil wealth demonstrates (see Norway).
        
        Industry and enterprise produces far better outcomes when not regulated to death.
        
        If you think our Public Service as a whole is doing a great job you are totally deluded.. Every health, education and welfare metric says otherwise
        
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        April 18, 2024 12:45pm
      - jkt
        
        The best advice for them is to gain experience. Mundane jobs in Aussies pay well but these jobs are mundane and one gains little experience doing this type of job.
        
        A good tertiary qualification is often a barrier to self improvement. A colleague used to say that he was jealous of his brother who did not get a tertiary education and could “afford “ to take risks that was not afforded him. (Always the victim..)
        
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        April 18, 2024 1:21pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        “Being the public service, the “useless” people will actually be quite well qualified,…”
        
        No they aren’t . The public service is crap. That’s because the employees are crap. They have turned New Zealand into a crap country.
        
        “Well qualified” my arse.
        
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        April 18, 2024 1:36pm
      - Paulus
        
        What you are saying is that if they could not get another job after redundancy in the Public Service, then they become Teachers.
        
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        April 18, 2024 1:50pm
      - slijmbal
        
        @Wayne
        
        “If you want to think of the English equivalent, it is the Oxford PPE.”
        
        Considering PPE was regarded as a p**s easy degree for lazy students many of who went in to politics this supports the case for them having useless degrees for the real world.
        
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        April 18, 2024 2:01pm
    - artemisia
      
      Some of that hiring surge would have been in response to the previous government’s announced intention of % cost cuts.
      
      I would say there was panic stations as managers realised they needed contractors that could actually do the work those managers were accountable* for, so offered fixed term contracts. So contractors with permie entitlements, and end date (maybe) but less money in the hand (probably).
      
      How many converted to fixed term? That should not be difficult for Ministers to find out, and to then determine which managers were inadequate at hiring or development. And put them on a not-so-little list ….
      
      * Was anyone accountable? Just blame covid.
      
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      April 18, 2024 10:51am
    - Burtland
      
      after this first round of downsizing the drones, they will then need a second round of managers
      
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      April 18, 2024 11:30am
  - Paulus
    
    The Government’s visions do not appear to agree with the Leaders of the Government Departments, in that the Departments will continue to do whatever they want, waiting for another Left Wing Government next time round.
    
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    April 18, 2024 1:54pm
- sungsamning
  
  Was the pope wearing a funny hat?
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:40am
- Spam
  
  I rolled my eyes at this comment:
  
  From the perspective of a public sector senior manager, in an environment wherein, according to numerous reports, it has been very hard to find qualified staff, the past strategy makes perfect sense. If the government gives you the money, hire lots of people in the hope that some of them will be worth the money. Now a different government says cut back. It puts all the pressure on the same managers to actually work out who and what are essential. Both actions represent dereliction of duty by government.
  
  There is just so much wrong here. A Senior Manager in the public service says that because the quality of the workforce is so cap, you need to hire more people! If this attitude is pervasive, it actually explains a lot about what’s been going on: They hire lots of people (tick). Most of those people are poor performers (tick). Those poor performers suck-up a disproportionate amount of time, meaning that overall delivery drops despite more people (tick).
  
  Seems to me to be an underlying issue: It’s not necessarily the workers who are the problem: it’s the “Senior Managers”. They can’t spot / hire good talent, they can’t get good performance out of people, they actually think that “more is always better” when it comes to staffing.
  
  And I refuse to create a Stuff account to post this observation there.
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stuff would delete it and probably ban you.
    Of course the senior and middle managers are the problem. What do they produce?
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:53am
  - cmm
    
    Of course senior managers want a large staff. It forms part of their ego boost.
    
    What sounds more impressive?
    * I am a manager in charge of 150 staff and a $30million budget. The department grew grew by 250% and we got a new building.
    * We did our work with 20 staff and instant coffee.
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:01am
    - david
      
      Job sizing (as measured by the number of reporting staff both direct and indirect) is usually a critical measure when determining a position’s salary level. Hiring more is a lucrative exercise for a manager. It doesn’t even matter if the positions are vacant, it’s the “establishment “ that counts.
      
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      April 18, 2024 2:02pm
- Burtland
  
  there seems to be a lot of vacant roles being disestablished
  – whats going on there? were they actually never needed
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Vote buying.
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:01am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Those vacant jobs were created by the career Public Servie managers to give themselves and easy out when they were directed to cut FTE numbers.
    
    The Public Sector knew National would when the 2023 election and prepared accordingly.
    
    Those positions are mostly just numbers on a page to enable the reaching of FTE reduction targets.
    
    Clever, if transparent, tactics to protect middle management jobs.
    
    The Coalition needs to undertake some heavy function analyst – cut out unrequired functions and eliminate significant jobs as a result.
    
    As part of that process middle management needs a massive cull across the Public Service. The vast majority of them know how to craft reports that say little, how to mislead Ministers and how to protect their jobs
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:03am
- Tom Hunter
  
  @Maggy
  Part of the answer is found in this essay, The Email Caste’s Last Stand, with the following quote especially on point about where we are and where we’re going:
  
  One of the biggest and least-talked-about social questions in the West is how to economically provide for our own modern version of France’s impecunious nobles: that is, how to prop up high-status people who can’t really do much economically productive work.
  
  In my own country, Sweden, the state picks up a lot of the slack. Here, small municipalities hire dozens or hundreds of communicators, consultants, and other plainly nonproductive personnel, and attempts to do something about it run into a very simple question: Where else are these people supposed to work? Who else would hire them?
  
  Though few will say it openly, the city of Uppsala’s nearly 100 communicators have nothing to do with communication, and everything to do with preserving social stability.
  
  It is, in essence, just part of a massive jobs program.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:25am
Maggie Pie

Gerry spotted in Auckland yesterday taking tea with Golriz…..

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1780476282285044021
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April 18, 2024 8:20am
- cmm
  
  Our boy Gerry needs a few fashion tips.
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:29am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder if they tried to do a runner 😀
    
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    April 18, 2024 8:33am
    - cmm
      
      For various definitions of run…
      
      I hope they counted the spoons.
      
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      April 18, 2024 8:36am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Like Hillary and Bill?
        
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        April 18, 2024 9:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Seems to be a folded piece of A4 on the table.
  Wonder what it days?
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:48am
  - Inandout
    
    SO, on the napkin was written her payout.
    
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    April 18, 2024 8:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Napkin? Two people there should be two napkins.
      Go full screen and zoom in.
      
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      April 18, 2024 10:02am
  - cmm
    
    I doubt it is a shopping list.
    
    It seems rather odd to me. Sure, there are a bunch of things to sort out when an MP leaves, but you’d think that would be sorted out by some flunky in HR.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Whoever the paper owner is, they could have emailed it.
      More than odd to me.
      
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      April 18, 2024 9:11am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Gerry: “Listen, for the last time, I’m 6XL!
        4XL is no good to me, and forget the horizontal stripes!”
        
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        April 18, 2024 10:07am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      He’s head of Parliamentary Services
      He could be dealing with complaints from or about Golriz, any number of things really.
      
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      April 18, 2024 11:20am
- Clyde
  
  Interesting that they were meeting on the pavement and not inside. Whose idea was that? Who looked more uncomfortable? The thot plickens!!
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:05am
- julesnzuk
  
  Where’s her ankle bracelet and when is she being sentenced? She belongs in the Auckland Women’s Corrections Facility.
  
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  April 18, 2024 6:35pm
- Sacha
  
  Looks like some fatherly advice might be forthcoming. She’s a lucky girl if he’s in her corner.
  Maybe: handsome is as handsome does. Pretty doesn’t count.
  
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  April 18, 2024 7:10pm
BeaB

According to RNZ Luxon’s trade trip to SE Asia is a ‘spree’. Was this a word they ever used about Arden’s frequent and usually pointless overseas trips?
Of course not. The whole morning news has been attacks on the government – outright and insinuated with carefully chosen disparaging language.
Melissa Lee needs to do some cutting at RNZ.
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April 18, 2024 8:24am
- Burtland
  
  weve all been asking for media to hold government accountable
  – now weve got it for different reasons
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:29am
- MCōs
  
  It’s not part of her remit to do anything
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:37am
  - julesnzuk
    
    What is her remit?
    
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    April 18, 2024 6:35pm
    - MCōs
      
      Many people are asking that same question
      
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      April 18, 2024 7:49pm
- zulumonster
  
  For another take on the state of NZ media see this commentary from someone who understands NZ markets: https://www.chrislee.co.nz/taking-stock
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:29am
Matt Long

Fake meat continues to be a spectacular failure and Synlait’s fake milk plant along with other poor investments may well bankrupt the company.
https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/dairy-news/dairy-opinion/milking-it/plant-based-bubble-bursts
https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/dairy-news/dairy-opinion/milking-it/poor-investments-backfire
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April 18, 2024 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  The EV bubble’s another one .
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:45am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Tell that to Air NZ.
    They are testing a flying lithium ion battery.
    No awareness and nothing better to do, like transport people on time and at a reasonable price.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fake people milking it.
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:54am
- MCōs
  
  Every year in Bangkok there is a nine day vegetarian festival and it’s hard to find meat dishes on the streets or in the food courts.
  The problem is for the unsuspecting diners such as your correspondent they substitute make believe chicken and beef and pork and they’re very poor alternatives
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:52am
- Flossie
  
  We’re told all the time that too much processed food is BAD. And we’re only talking white rice or sausages. Artificial meat just has to be processed, and therefore bad for us.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:01am
- Ghost
  
  This young aussie had me laughing with his vegetarian joke
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GaEiXZ_5gfw&pp=ygUaMTAgeWVhciBvbGQgYXVzdHJsdWFuIGpva2U%3D
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:07am
softail 1450

As usual central and local government officials are always weeks late with important announcements of groundbreaking ideas ,eg, obviously this statement was due for release on April 1st but was overlooked “a four lane highway between Auckland and Northland is urgently needed to promote business development in the Area” HA HA HA LOL, for gods sake the new (relatively) highway over the Brynderwyn hills is undergoing its 3rd reconditioning in about 20 years and some card thinks we can contract the same people to design and build a 4 lane highway over 140 km to Whangārei, it’s pathetically laughable but hey that’s NZs leadership in government for you , aim high and score low with a massive blowout in costs followed by a suspending of work indefinitely as we’ve seen on projects this year already .
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April 18, 2024 8:29am
westernScientist

Farage on Britten and the west – worth a listen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHP5n98pc_Q
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April 18, 2024 8:35am
- MCōs
  
  John Britten died thirty years ago.
  Shame. He was only forty five
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:55am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Any news on the rest of the Brittens?
    
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    April 18, 2024 1:42pm
    - MCōs
      
      There was Des Britten who died a few years ago
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/119479480/former-wellingtonian-of-the-year-sir-des-britten-has-died
      
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      April 18, 2024 3:22pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Very good!
        
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        April 18, 2024 5:37pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWu0k3-lkyg
Bodega Time.
No one even knew there was a Biden “rally” yesterday but he is supposedly the ‘Most Popular’ President ever!
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April 18, 2024 8:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good to see the security close in to Trump as he approaches the barriers.
  One quote in the text on the video:
  “They can’t stop him.”
  The TDS people on this blog have gone very quiet lately.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:22am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I see he offered RFK jr the vice presidency.
    They have a good set of skills but a clash would be inevitable .
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trump was once a Democrat.
      
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      April 18, 2024 12:25pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      No he didn’t.
      Trump hasn’t offered anyone the VP slot yet.
      RFK is running as an Independent.
      
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      April 18, 2024 1:59pm
      - sungsamning
        
        OH, I’d like to see him in HEW.
        
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        April 18, 2024 3:34pm
    - sungsamning
      
      Did he really! Yeah, and hell yeah. He should get HEW. And Tulsi Gabbard should be offered Sec of Defence. That’d strip most of the sensible Dems out of the party.
      
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      April 18, 2024 3:33pm
  - sungsamning
    
    They’ll come out of the woodwork by late October. Or if he is jailed.
    
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    April 18, 2024 3:31pm
- virtualmark
  
  Trump’s visit to the bodega was arranged by the New York Young Republicans Club. It wasn’t spontaneous, it was carefully choreographed with a tame crowd. Just like his recent visit to a Chick-a-fila in Atlanta.
  
  No real problem with that – politicians do lots of staged events.
  
  But it might be unwise to extrapolate a staged visit to mean that Trump is popular in New York. Truth is Trump is broadly hated in New York – many New Yorkers figured Trump out way more than 20 years ago.
  
  But hey, they love him in Florida.
  
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  April 18, 2024 12:43pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yeah, none of that surprises me. Good exposure though.
    
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    April 18, 2024 3:35pm
- MCōs
  
  How many General Debates until the bloody election?
  
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  April 18, 2024 7:53pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ZCaiYQkXc
Dem Civil War in Blue Cities.
Woke Dems are pro-Fakestinian. Other Dems, not so much. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of cities. There’s no down side.
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April 18, 2024 8:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The more the Democrats push, the more votes for Trump.
  FJB.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:36am
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, that’s right. And some of the ‘sanctuary cities’ are suffering sanctuary fatigue.
    
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    April 18, 2024 3:35pm
nathie

Well blow me down with a feather as they say in Oz. Newshub’s Jenna Lynch actually delivered a factual and informative report covering the PM in Thailand and the positives for NZ/Thai trade relations.

Well credit where credit’s due, good work Jenna for your professionalism!

And hopefully we’ll see more of the same, again?
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April 18, 2024 8:43am
Maggie Pie

An absolute must watch!

A bestie on TikTok gives her views on job loses in the public service….

https://tiktok.com/@ani.obrien/video/7358599453156068626

Hard to disagrre with a word she sez.
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April 18, 2024 8:44am
- RoboRob
  
  It appears a number of these governemnt organisations purposely went on a hireing spree so that they could drop a massive number of staff and still havemore people. Apparently Oranga Tamariki is ditching 447 jobs but in the last 6 months actually hired 456 (from memory) new staff. So the ‘massive’ job cuts reduce their staff to slightly more then just before the election.
  
  The other trick appears to advertise / or create empty positions for 150 odd jobs and they announce you are cutting 200 staff. When infact you are cutting the 50 staff and cancelling 150 empty positions.
  
  Feels like a smoke a mirrors and gives the msm and unions a big stick to bash the govt with.
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:41am
  - septic skeptic
    
    The government probably should be starting at the top and replacing CEOs and CFOs with people who are on board with slimming down government and getting value for money.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:57am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yup. As I posted yesterday, they will probably need to take a few high profile scalps to get the rest of the CEOs in line.
      
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      April 18, 2024 10:34am
    - Paulus
      
      Ministers cannot get rid of any Public Servants particularly those at the top, and they know it.
      
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      April 18, 2024 2:01pm
- Zero Kindness
  
  They were great jobs though, arrive at work (two days a week – WFH the rest), have breakfast and read the news, morning meeting with cultural song/prayer, check emails then go out for coffee and morning tea. Return to discuss the last or next weekend with colleagues before lunch break. Return for another meeting, more coffee, send a few emails of word salad, afternoon tea and head home early because scratchy throat from talking to much.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:50am
Bridgenag

We might all have to move to Louisiana!

Great Campaign Against the Great Reset
Historic Louisiana Senate Leadership (SB133); Jason Jones’ seminal book is now published.

“The World Health Organization, United Nations, and the World Economic Forum shall have no jurisdiction or power within the state of Louisiana. No rule, regulation, fee, tax, policy, or mandate of any kind of the World Health Organization, United Nations, and the World Economic Forum shall be enforced or implemented by the state of Louisiana or any agency, department, board, commission, political subdivision, governmental entity of the state, parish, municipality, or any other political entity.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/great-campaign-against-the-great?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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April 18, 2024 8:48am
- kevn
  
  Bridge… Canada madness.
  https://notthebee.com/article/alberta-canada-updates-mrna-vaccine-guidance-to-recommend-a-new-covid-booster-once-every-three-months-starting-at-6-months-old
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:56am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Shocking
    
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    April 18, 2024 8:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not the Bee – should be satire but it isn’t.
    Some are so retarded they can’t let the Covid lie go.
    
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    April 18, 2024 9:03am
  - I remember when
    
    Despite all of the discussion we don’t seem to have had any large scale tests of the efficacy of the latest covid boosters.
    All those areas of debate, number who still get covid, percentage hospitalised, numbers dying as a result of, with, age related totals.
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:04am
- Rusty
  
  @Bridgenag – The world might be a better place if the WHO, UN, and WEF didn’t exist.
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:15am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Might be a better place????
    There’s no debate about that – it WILL be a better place. They are all a bunch of marxist/socialist/fascist grifters & meglomaniacs.
    
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    April 18, 2024 11:28am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    But but but “rules based international order”. Not with those lefty wacko infested institutions that are long past their used-by dates.
    
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    April 19, 2024 1:10am
- virtualmark
  
  Genuine question: Did the UN or WHO ever have jurisdiction or power within the state of Louisiana? I’m gonna say they never have had, or could have.
  
  And I’m sure WEF has no jurisdiction or power anywhere.
  
  So this does seem performance art rather than legislating.
  
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  April 18, 2024 12:46pm
- Nobby2
  
  Change the words “State of Louisiana” to “Country of New Zealand” and make it a legally binding NZ law.
  
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  April 18, 2024 3:23pm
mandk

“Successive governments have collectively invested tens of billions of dollars in well-intentioned social programmes intended to change people’s lives for the better. When we look around, so many problems are still entrenched.” (Nicola Willis)

This ought to be blindingly obvious. The problem is that many people, even those with above average intelligence, think that the solution is to spend more and more taxpayers’ money to be kind.

It’s good that we are rid of Labour, Greens and the Maori party for a few years, but it will take decades to sort out.
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April 18, 2024 8:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Labour, Greens, and the Maori Parties will be back.
  The future bunch of socialist, marxist, and communist ratbags are just starting to be indoctrinated at primary school.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:42am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Unfortunately, the only antidote to marxism is hunger and penury.
    Fortunately/unfortunately they are on their way.
    Adern has destroyed at least one generation of New Zealanders .
    
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    April 18, 2024 10:53am
  - Paulus
    
    Currently Primary School children do not yet get the vote – do they ?
    
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    April 18, 2024 2:03pm
yossarian

So Warner Bros Disney told NewsHub to straighten up its left leaning news???

“Its understood the higher ranks at WBD feel Newshub has been too left-leaning in its approach to news and want to see it “straightened up”. ”

Heck even they could see the bias.

https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/17/stuff-takes-a-big-risk-on-newshub/
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April 18, 2024 8:59am
- zulumonster
  
  Imagine their surprise when Stuff shows them what left-leaning really looks like…
  Surely they did some due diligence?
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:10am
  - Paulus
    
    Tova wont like it unless she and Andrea get the top slots.
    
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    April 18, 2024 2:04pm
Scooter

So Dubai has had the heaviest rainfall in 75 years and it’s reported to be due to Cloud Seeding. If this is true then climate change to human interference is true.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/04/17/uae-denies-cloud-seeding-took-place-before-severe-dubai-floods.html
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April 18, 2024 9:08am
- kowtow
  
  Corelation is not causation.
  
  Hint ; they weren’t cloud seeding 75 years ago . Innit.
  
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  April 18, 2024 9:15am
  - Keith White
    
    I’m agnostic on whether this rainstorm was a product of cloud seeding or not – but, correlation of contemporaneous events most often leads to discovering and confirming causation. We do ourselves a disservice if we dismiss events in sequence as de-linked, because we’d rather not have to think about dealing with the link. We see this daily with parents and kids, politicians and voters, patients and habits-of-consumption…
    
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    April 18, 2024 11:48am
- MCōs
  
  According to that article it was nothing to do with cloud seeding
  Global warming has resulted in “extraordinarily” warm water in the seas around Dubai, where there is also very warm air above, said Mark Howden, “Director at the Australian National University’s Institute for Climate, Energy & Disaster Solutions.
  “This increases both potential evaporation rates and the capacity of the atmosphere to hold that water, allowing bigger dumps of rainfall such as what we have just seen in Dubai.” “
  https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-caused-storm-that-brought-dubai-standstill-2024-04-17/
  Of course if you you think global warming is bull shit you’ll have your own theories
  
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  April 18, 2024 12:11pm
  - Keith White
    
    Ah, Reuters. Score themselves an actual journalism Factual Grade of 69.8% – they admitted it themselves that was correct – which means 3 times out of ten they Get The Facts of a story Wrong. Not saying this time they’re not on the side of We Got It Right, but Jeez, Wayne! only 7 out of 10?
    
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    April 18, 2024 2:02pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    MCōs why would you believe a predictable far-left rag pumping out predictable far-left loved narratives over extremely experienced and credentialed scientists (quite a number who have been IPCC experts)? Scientists who do science via the scientific method (as opposed to childish cancel culture masquerading as science)?
    
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    April 19, 2024 1:16am
I remember when

UAE National Center for Meteorology said it tracked the recent rain storm but did not target any clouds for seeding ahead of the heavy rains.

But they would say that, wouldn’t they?
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April 18, 2024 9:15am
- Keith White
  
  I for one always follow the Sole Source of Truth for every happenstance.
  
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  April 18, 2024 2:03pm
Maggie Pie

I wonder what the monkeys call it?

https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1780330676375421147
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April 18, 2024 9:21am
I remember when

Have been reading Australian report stating that reducing inflation from its peak to 4% was the easy part.
The final push down to 1%-3% is the hard part.
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April 18, 2024 9:21am
thirteenstars

ACT press release

The Role of Government in Media:

…as traditional companies collapse, the call is for Government to help somehow. But what can history tell us? The best thing Government has done so far is get out of the way. It has an infrastructure role that’s largely done.

Infrastructure includes supporting the build of a fibre network for the internet (done), and a system of radio spectrum auctions (also done). For the most part though, people are getting more information than ever thanks to better technology, not Government.

If people are happily getting what they want, and it’s not New Zealand channels anymore, what’s the problem? Right now, YouTube and Netflix dwarf the rest of the New Zealand media.

If New Zealanders don’t want to watch films and documentaries about New Zealand, or care much about watching media, should anyone care? We’ve never been better served with information, since the Government stopped blocking us from getting it.

The only remaining question is; what is the purpose of the quarter billion a year of taxpayers’ money spent on arts, media and culture now the Government has stopped blocking us from getting information and the internet has given us all the information in the world?

https://www.act.org.nz/government_in_media_free_press

The full release is a great read and pretty pithy in parts.

The final paragraph there seems to suggest ACT would be keen to see NZ On Air and other such funds go the way of the moa. In recent times they’ve only served to promote an ideology that is divisive and critical of the regular Kiwis who pay taxes into those funds.

It’s clear ACT will not be supporting any proposal by Melissa Lee to prop up failing media, public or otherwise.
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April 18, 2024 9:22am
- Damocles11
  
  Great news. Glad that at least one political party in New Zealand is on our side. Imagine if ACT hadn’t got in and those votes had gone to ‘Labour Lite’ instead.
  
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  April 18, 2024 11:44am
DimChappie

Newsroom have reposted their excellent video/stories exposing Oranga Tamariki’s shameful racist reverse uplift policy. In the video, Ngai Tahu’s Mark Solomon speaks out from about 9:00.
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/15/two-wrongs-dont-make-a-right-2/
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April 18, 2024 9:22am
JJ56

I see the woke are telling us electric aircraft over Cook Strait will decarbonize (sic) the route.

No carbon fibre in that airframe then.

As one is wont to say, ‘I’m rather attached to my carbon’.
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April 18, 2024 9:43am
- cmm
  
  Recharged by coal-fired electricity so probably generates more CO2 than burning avgas.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:58am
  - MCōs
    
    As of 11.30am coal accounted for 2.78% of our electricity generation
    
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    April 18, 2024 12:21pm
    - cmm
      
      You fail to understand the concept of marginal load.
      
      If you took away EV charging then that would cut electricity demand and they could shut down some of the coal burning generation.
      
      And adding more electrical demand immediately translates into burning more coal to generate that electricity. You don’t add 2% more coal.
      
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      April 18, 2024 12:59pm
      - MCōs
        
        If you have a look at this information from Transpower you will see that as the power demand increases there are other sources that can be utilized besides coal fired generation
        Hydro, for example, is running at less than 50% capacity. Why we even need to burn any coal right now I don’t know.
        https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
        
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        April 18, 2024 3:07pm
      - CJames
        
        MC
        You are another one who doesn’t understand the difference between power and energy. The water coming down a river is energy. There is only so much of it. They ramp it up when needed, but they also need thermal to top up the generation. Ramp it up too early and you need to burn more coal (or even start Whirinaki) later on
        
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        April 18, 2024 5:27pm
- Nobby2
  
  Two concerns; 1.The battery would be so big and heavy that the plane would struggle to take off, so the cargo capacity would be a packet of round wine biscuits. 2. Or else it would need a bloody long power cord.
  
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  April 18, 2024 3:38pm
I remember when

Is this the future?
The “Felixer”, a machine that sprays toxic gel onto passing cats is being trialed and used in Australia.
The new V3.2 Felixer with Artificial intelligence, available for lease from 1 October 2022, has been developed to minimise false positive targeting of native and/or endangered species, its discriminatory power will continue to improve through ‘machine learning’ as more images and species are uploaded and classified in the Felixer Management System.
Felixers can only be leased and are available for minimum 3 month lease periods, with monthly or annual extensions.
“Felixer grooming traps to be rolled out as part of Australia first strategy to control feral cats: ABC.28 June 2023.”
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April 18, 2024 9:50am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  ‘Groomer’ is maybe not the best branding just at the moment, but it is great idea.
  Found a video of one on the internet.
  
  I would like one of these that instead of delivering a toxin might throw a gumboot at the cat, being that the ones that come onto my property are mostly not feral but just the entitled and arrogant fur-babies of the neighbours.
  
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  April 18, 2024 3:48pm
imalwaysright

I looked up the criminal charges facing the Netanyahus:

“Case 1000 alleges that Netanyahu, 74, and his wife, Sara, 65, have received lavish presents from prominent Israeli Hollywood producer Arnon Milchan and Australian billionaire businessman and Israeli citizen James Packer in return for political favours. This case charges the Israeli PM with fraud and breach of trust. Fraud and breach of trust carry a prison sentence of up to three years while bribery charges carry a sentence of up to 10 years in jail and/or a fine. Milchan testified that he provided gifts to Netanyahu in June 2020.

Case 2000 accuses Netanyahu of negotiating with Israel’s leading daily, Yedioth Ahronoth, for favourable coverage in exchange for legislation that would slow the growth of a rival newspaper. This case also charges him with fraud and breach of trust.

Case 4000 indicts Netanyahu for granting regulatory favours to Israel’s leading telecommunications company, Bezeq Telecom Israel, in return for positive coverage of him and his wife on a news website controlled by Bezeq’s former chairman, Besides fraud and breach of trust, Netanyahu has been charged with bribery in this case.”

I was surprised how relatively minor the charges are.

Judging this through the New Zealand “political lens”, they would probably have been given a very well catered for retirement and multiple honours!
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April 18, 2024 9:51am
Yvette

Fast-track Approvals Bill
• … the Bill gives a much greater priority to the rights of iwi than to the rights of other New Zealanders. The word “iwi” appears 56 times in the Bill, and the proposed four-person panels by which projects are to be evaluated are to include one person nominated by the relevant local authority and one person nominated by the relevant iwi. This apparent equivalence between local authorities and iwi authorities seems to us totally inappropriate, and is likely to result in the concerns of Maori New Zealanders being given much greater weight than the concerns of other New Zealanders.

• … During the election campaign, both the ACT Party and the New Zealand First Party made much of their commitment to equal citizenship. In the coalition agreements which both parties signed with the National Party in the process of forming a Government, there were numerous quite specific promises to eliminate the racial preferences which have crept into New Zealand law in recent years. The National Party’s constitution includes a specific commitment to “equal citizenship”, and of course it too was a party to the two coalition agreements which enabled the formation of the new Government.

• Clearly, in approving any new investment project under this Fast-track Approvals Bill Ministers must be mindful of the property rights of those New Zealanders who could be affected by the new project. But this principle should surely apply to all New Zealanders, whatever their ethnicity. As drafted, the Bill fails to acknowledge that principle.

“Co-governance” means the non-Maori population portion must be multiplied by 0.6 to equal 50 percent and Maori by 3 to also be 50 percent. This gives Maori 5 times the voting rights of non-Maori.

Wasn’t the new Coalition Government going to fix that?
And that “they were here first”, is a kindergarten sand-pit argument.
And that “we have greater affinity with the land / water” is another.
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April 18, 2024 9:51am
- thirteenstars
  
  Politicians speak with forked tongues.
  
  Consultation can be co-governance in disguise, as can the go-to fig leaf of co-management.
  
  There’s more than one way to skin a cat. Sorry, puss.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:05am
- Libertarians are right
  
  ACT and NZ First still have to deal with National who hold most of the power.
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:15am
- Notsofast
  
  That maths ignores the fraction that is Maori.
  It reminds me of the tennis rule.
  Any part of the ball on any part of the line and you are in!
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:59am
- julesnzuk
  
  How this garbage was ever allowed any traction is beyond me – dopey NZers have let this happen because they’re bizarrely disengaged and/or inexplicably continue to support National – but I’m curious to know how they will define what a “Maori” is. A DNA test followed by the issuing of a new ID card, Apartheid-style?
  
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  April 18, 2024 6:44pm
Jethrod

It seems as if an RNZAF 757 made it to Thailand without breaking down, full of the luvvies from the MSM!
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April 18, 2024 9:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Was the other 757 also there just in case one breaks down?
  
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  April 18, 2024 10:47am
- Keith White
  
  How sad. Anyway…
  
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  April 18, 2024 11:14am
Tom Hunter

Perhaps DPF would like to do an updated post on America’s NPR, because it turns out that the new CEO is … the most crazed commie they’ve yet had:

The daughter of wealthy parents whose wedding was announced in the New York Times, Maher grew up in a wealthy white suburb of New York City before studying at the American University in Cairo, the Institut français du Proche-Orient in Syria, and finally New York University.

She then got internships with the Council on Foreign Relations and Eurasia Group in London and Germany before landing a job in New York City at UNICEF. She had stops with the National Democratic Institute and the World Bank, among other global nonprofit groups, before rising to become the CEO of Wikimedia in 2019.

It would be impossible to create a resume of a person more disconnected from Americans and more intertwined with the wealthy, urban, globalist elite who run the largest banks, media companies, and nonprofit groups in the United States. In other words, Maher has the perfect resume to run NPR.

Or the WEF, which might be her next job. And the thing is that her public pronouncements are even worse than the resume above would imply:

She’s a vegetarian. She hates cars. And white men flying on planes. She supports race-based reparations, rioting, and the Black Lives Matter movement. She believes “America is addicted to white supremacy.”

She doesn’t want to become a mother because “the planet is literally burning.” She uses phrases such as “CIS white mobility privilege” unironically. She admits to growing up “feeling superior … because I was from New England and my part of the country didn’t have slaves.” I wonder what fuels her sense of superiority now.

TBF I agree with her not re-producing.

You can check out more of her X-Tweets here, which includes a couple of talks, one of which is described as:
This quote is best read in the voice of a Stasi officer speaking to a dissident newspaperman who is tied to a chair.
😂🍿😂🍿😂🍿😂🍿😂🍿
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April 18, 2024 10:50am
- thirteenstars
  
  It’s that type who infests NZ media be they board members, executives or reporters and hosts. It’s that type who run NZ education. Neither can be saved.
  
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  April 18, 2024 12:33pm
- cmm
  
  New Englanders benefited from slaversy in a similar way to how my Newfoundlannd ancestors did – through the cod fisheries.
  
  Dried salt cod was a large part of the slave diet because it was cheap protein that kept well in the days before cold storage – so much so that it is still considered traditional food in many of the ex-slave nations and regions of the Caribbean.
  
  My great great grandfather and his ilk made a mint in St John. I expect the New Englanders did too.
  
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  April 18, 2024 1:22pm
Swifty

Oh, so you think ratepayer money should be invested in pipes, parks and roads?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-community-programmes-saved-from-auckland-mayor-wayne-browns-razor-gang/25JZB5UPLBD6TPJ2WMZXAKK64E/

Oh no. How wrong you are. Get with the programme! It’s to be spent on treaty education programmes etc

It’s just fucking negligence in my view, but on my bad days I think it is just naked corruption.
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April 18, 2024 11:00am
- MCōs
  
  Talking about approximately $160k going towards Maori programmes
  That’s about half an inch of infrastructure maintenance
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:09pm
Swifty

Willie Jackson talks of Labour’s ‘extraordinary list of achievements….’

https://waateanews.com/2024/04/17/lee-silent-as-media-implodes/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

What a bullshit artist.
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April 18, 2024 11:15am
- bjools
  
  Labour’s comical Ali.
  
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  April 18, 2024 11:33am
  - rouppe
    
    Chemical Ali, he’s so toxic
    
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    April 18, 2024 1:50pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  “Mr Jackson says Labour’s critics are now trying to paint Labour as a do-nothing Government when the record shows an extraordinary list of achievements.”
  
  The guy should do stand up comedy.
  
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  April 18, 2024 2:52pm
- Ghost
  
  Na he’s not a bullshit artist, he is being honest. Labour did have an extraordinary list of achievements.
  
  Increased cost of living
  Increased child poverty
  Increased homelessness and those living in cars and motels, John Campbell reported on this nightly, oh wait he didn’t care.
  Increased surgical waiting lists
  Increased the level of truancy in schools
  Increased the amount of strikes, my god I’ve never seen so many strikes as under the Ardern and Hipkins governments.
  Decreased the quality of our infrastructure and invented the new labour game, dodge the pothole.
  Helped criminals to realise that you can rape teenagers, commit crimes and just get a few months holiday at home.
  Increased government debt to levels that will take many lifetimes to pay off.
  Tried to steal rate layers assists and give them to Māori
  Created separatist policies
  Labour achieved what no one else has ever been able to do to this standard of screwing up every possible segment of the public sector.
  
  My god, the list of labours extraordinary list of achievements would take hours to list, and decades to fix.
  
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  April 18, 2024 3:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

American Courts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syNuSteTjgI
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April 18, 2024 11:19am
Damocles11

Saw a copy of The New Zealand Marxist Herald at the local cafe today. The front page actually screams ‘CLASS WARFARE’, while inside CTU Director of Policy Craig Renney / Rennie (why does his surname change almost daily) is given free reign to attack Nicola Willis under a headline screaming ‘Time running out for Govt to change direction’. The offensive cartoon by rabid Leftist Emmerson featured a dart being flown thrown a hole in the empty head of Simeon Brown, and the Editorial attacked a proposed Wellington tunnel as a pipe dream. Hearteningly there wasn’t much in the way of advertising in the paper, which seems to be rapidly shrinking in size, but I did make careful note of the few ads there were so I can avoid the advertisers products. The Taxpayers Union also had a full page ad in there defending tax cuts.
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April 18, 2024 11:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I hope that Wellington road tunnel gets the go ahead this year – it will be fantastic to see Julie Anne Genter and assorted folk have melt downs. 🙂
  
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  April 18, 2024 2:01pm
  - MCōs
    
    You people down in Chch who along with all the other taxpayers would have to pay for this folly just so some motorists could bypass the Wellington CBD
    Has anyone done a traffic count to see where the vehicles that currently go along Ruahine St (SH1 in Hataitai) actually come from? I suspect most of them won’t be likely users of the tunnel i.e. they won’t be commuters
    
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    April 18, 2024 2:50pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      And you would be wrong, MCoS
      
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      April 18, 2024 10:22pm
- Paulus
  
  Shows how pathetic the media still are !
  
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  April 18, 2024 2:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Time for the police to pull finger?

“Police failed to link Ms Yaqubi’s file and the file of another young girl who was also being threatened by the same man, thereby missing an opportunity to gain a fuller picture of the extent of his actions.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/04/litany-of-police-failures-found-after-farzana-yaqubi-murdered-despite-stalking-complaints.html
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April 18, 2024 11:27am
bjools

Watched the AM show.
A woman on the show, showcasing a microplastics filter for your washing machine.
Missed some serious questions
1. Price $300, of which$50 goes to an ocean clean up company.
While thats nice, surely $50 should be voluntary.
2. When the filter is full, what do you do with the waste?
Flush down the drain ….defeats the purpose.
Dispose in recycling???
How much to land fill?
3. Cost of replacement filters?
Why can’t this be incorporated into the washing machine?
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April 18, 2024 11:30am
- cmm
  
  It’s a test for people with more money than brains.
  
  I guarantee there will be hundreds of people rushing to get one to shows ocial media how much they hugz the planet
  
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  April 18, 2024 1:30pm
Chuck Bird

John Bolton: Israel need to neutralise Iran’s defence capabilities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkzyxqQvr3E
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April 18, 2024 11:50am
kevn

Meanwhile in NZ, K.O is setting the scene.
https://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/2024/04/despair-construction-consenting-edition.html
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April 18, 2024 1:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who let this violent schizophrenic into the country?

Meng had arrived in New Zealand from China in the March and had previously been diagnosed with schizophrenia.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350248984/albany-axe-attack-man-who-attacked-restaurant-diners-be-held-psychiatric-facility

Is NZ seen as dumping ground by families with violent, disturbed sons?https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mall-terrorist-attack-lone-wolf-isis-supporter-identified-as-sri-lankan-refugee-ahamed-aathil-mohamed-samsudeen-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-responds/ZKP4IST56NJWH3SPNM5GNF7XI4/
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April 18, 2024 1:23pm
- cmm
  
  For a moment I thought you might be talking about the ram.
  
  Couldn’t get a more Kiwi headline than this:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350249699/police-investigating-if-two-people-found-dead-paddock-were-killed-ram
  
  It is a reminder that dealing with any livestock bigger than a quail can be problematic.
  
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  April 18, 2024 1:32pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    A reasonable number of cattle farmers get serious injuries from their stock.
    
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    April 18, 2024 1:55pm
    - Geri Sjovik
      
      And a few end up dead.
      
      A bloke from round here had a nasty, mean bastard of a Highland bull. He knew it was bad news. Had it penned and was loading it onto a truck to take away for slaughter.
      
      It was being stroppy and he jumped inot the yard to get it to move up the race.
      
      Game over.
      
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      April 18, 2024 2:06pm
- Keith White
  
  Ardern was as usual bubbling flatus about her “hands being tied” to deport the terr. She showed the country with the firearms legislation and the lockdowns that the law could be whatever she decided it had to be so she could have done the same in this case. She chose not to and that directly cost innocent Kiwis blood and pain and trauma – and all the rest of us $$$ for the trailing-behind police who were also not available to track other criminals. Every time I think I despise her enough, I turn out to be wrong.
  
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  April 18, 2024 2:09pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    Absolutely deport the pos but I don’t believe he went on a rampage attacking native birds (no capital k, btw).
    
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    April 18, 2024 6:52pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Give him a tranquiliser, and deport immediately.
  
  Why are we keeping him for 7 years in our facilities, and potentially even longer in the country?
  
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  April 18, 2024 3:53pm
Benedict Yu

When I saw this heading, I thought the couple had been killed in a ram raid.

“Police investigating if two people found dead in paddock were killed by a ram….”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350249699/two-people-found-dead-paddock-auckland-police-investigating-they-were-killed-ram

I had not appreciated that a male sheep could kill people. 🙁
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April 18, 2024 2:04pm
- Swifty
  
  A good mate’s missus was killed by a ram just a few years back, in the Northern Wairarapa.
  
  I caught up with him in January and he was telling me all about it.
  
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  April 18, 2024 2:11pm
- Keith White
  
  Sheep-related deaths in forensic practice
  
  https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00450618.2020.1846786
  
  In 45 years I’ve seen one death and one very serious head injury, as well as quite a few assorted lesser injuries, from milk cows and bulls.
  
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  April 18, 2024 2:12pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Perhaps these animals should be pin-ups for vegans to consider upon.
    
    Like the Simpson’s episode said: “Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy. If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!”
    
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    April 18, 2024 3:54pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Cows are killers
    Usually around 20 a year- which is more than Sharks – iirc.
    They chase people, knock them over and if you get trampled on- humans being squishy things -don’t take well to sharp hooves and 500kgs of angry animal
    
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    April 18, 2024 4:18pm
- Geri Sjovik
  
  A ram can kill a cow.
  
  We are always very, very cautious when working with ours.
  
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  April 18, 2024 2:13pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Some rams, such as Merino rams, have a large set of curled densely boned horns with sharp tips.
  They sometimes fight each other over access to ewes by using their horns. They will also try to bash down fences with them – depending on time of year (eg mating) feed availability and so on.
  Rams should not be regarded as pets any more than a horned bull would be.
  They are unpredictable, especially if on their own and cornered.
  
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  April 18, 2024 2:33pm
- cmm
  
  Yup, they are not just cute little bouncy lambies.
  
  Remember a sheep, especially a large ram, is a big lump of muscle and bone. They can get to over 100kg depending on breed and the feed they are on and can be very strong.
  
  When an animal that size decides to take you on, then can cause a lot of damage.
  
  On top of that, sheep are capable of jumping and running. I have had sheep jump right over me and I am 196cm (6ft 5 in the old money).
  
  In general we farm with docile breeds and genetics for this reason, but individual sheep can still get to be big and dangerous.
  
  Every year many farmers get badly hurt by cattle and lesser injuries from sheep. However it is very feasible that frail 80 year olds could quite easily get killed.
  
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  April 18, 2024 2:43pm
  - newview
    
    CMM once knocked off your feet anyone could be killed buy a Ram that could be 150kg+. Once off your feet they will grind you up while on the ground and can add a bit of momentum by taking a few steps back to line you up to make sure they don’t miss. Even a heavy ewe can weigh around 100kg and four legs gives them way more traction than us.
    
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    April 18, 2024 4:30pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Wouldn’t surprise me if it was hand raised as a pet, all of mine end up at the works they are just too much trouble later on in life.
  
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  April 18, 2024 3:06pm
- cmm
  
  BY: Look what this ram can do to a punchbag. Notice how he tries to hook it with his horns.
  
  This is not even a particularly large ram.
  
  https://youtu.be/YfMU680YSkg?t=45
  
  Looks like fun and games, but I think it is crazy to encourage a potentially dangerous animal to charge people. You really need to tech it who is boss. If that doesn’t work then kill the damn thing.
  
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  April 18, 2024 3:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There was once a short video about sheep in Cornwall Park attacking and taking over Auckland/NZ?
  The newsreader was Philip Sherry. It was satire of course.
  I have never been able to see that Vid again.
  
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  April 18, 2024 5:19pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    I saw a horse do it once!
    
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    April 18, 2024 5:56pm
MCōs

Mr Luxon cracks the big time
https://x.com/thainewsreports/status/1780772621996662971?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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April 18, 2024 2:18pm
I remember when

I had not appreciated that a male sheep could kill people.
The fact the couple were in their 80s makes this a much greater possibility.
Lack of mobility, fragility and one trying to protect the other.
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April 18, 2024 2:21pm
Maggie Pie

Just back home. Amazing lunch down The Viaduct with a few of the girls.
Met a fab couple over here from London seated at the next table, so invited them
to join us. Turns out they’re expats and back here on business.
They seemed to have the inside running on what’s happening with the Royal Family. Among other things, (like Hazza renouncing his UK citizenship in favor of America)
they were telling us things are a lot more serious with Catherine’s cancer diagnosis than has been let on. A lot more.
I won’t go into extra detail at this time, but obviously a very worrying time for Willy & co.
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April 18, 2024 4:56pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  If Harry takes out US Citizenship all the titles go. He will then leave the “line of succession”.
  
  As for Katherine, I think things are more serious than they are letting on.
  
  Let us see if she appears at Trooping the Colour.
  
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  April 18, 2024 5:23pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Poms I have worked with appear to know everything about scandals in the ‘old country’. In this case I would say Catherine’s youth is on her side as opposed to Charles. Then of course some mention the vaccine.
  
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  April 18, 2024 5:58pm
  - MCōs
    
    Of course they do
    
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    April 18, 2024 8:16pm
Keith White

“Man critically injured after assaulted by group of youths in Waipukurau.”

Youths, huh. I’m guessing they’re not from the local branch of the Ku Klux Klan in Waipuk.
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April 18, 2024 5:03pm
Keith White

“https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pukekohe-court-locked-down-after-bb-gun-flashed-two-arrested-following-helicopter-pursuit/”

Crikey. What’s happening down there while I’m working here? Do all y’all got something in the 1st Water?
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April 18, 2024 5:05pm
Keith White

…and for the trifecta (how can a Pak’n’Save car park allow enough momentum to build up that the driver has to go to hospital as well…?)

“A pedestrian has died after they were struck by a vehicle near Pak’nSave Taupō this afternoon.

“A police spokesperson confirmed the crash occurred “in the car park of a business premises” on Ruapehu St at 2.45pm.

“Police said the driver of the vehicle and two other pedestrians were transported to Taupō Hospital, with minor to moderate injuries.

Very sad for the pedestrian and family – not what anyone expects when they start their day 🙁
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April 18, 2024 5:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I just had an email from Don Brash/Hobson’s Choice about Facebook deleting posts.

“As I write this I still can’t believe this has happened to us. We hear of political interference happening overseas, but today Hobson’s Pledge has been the target.

Facebook has deleted all of our posts that sent supporters to submit on the Fast Track Approvals Bill including paid advertising we were running.”

“At first our team thought there must have been an error and attempted to post again. It became clear that anytime we used the link to the Government website to make a submission on the Bill, Facebook either blocked us or removed the post minutes after it went up.

As we were aware that the Māori Party were also promoting submitting on the Bill, we checked out one of their posts and found that there we could access the Government submissions page with no problem at all.”

Who has info on this or am I being scammed?
It looks like Political Interference with Facebook blocking links to the Govt websites.

Fill ya boots.
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April 18, 2024 5:09pm
- Mike
  
  Is ‘Hobson’s Choice’ still a thing?
  
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  April 18, 2024 7:31pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s “Hobson’s Pledge”
    
    You can sign up & donate here:
    https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/sign_up
    
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    April 18, 2024 7:57pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350249675/team-new-zealand-boat-named-taihoro-their-americas-cup-defence-barcelona
Other maori shit name. Why?
There would be zero maori interest in this event. Or input.
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April 18, 2024 6:19pm
- Ghost
  
  Our boats have had a Māori name for a while. Plenty of Māori are interested in the americas cup.
  
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  April 18, 2024 6:29pm
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    Maybe they’re the only ones interested
    
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    April 18, 2024 8:21pm
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  It’s not for the sake of Maori so much as to make virtue signalling whities feel good.
  
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  April 18, 2024 6:59pm
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  If you thought for a moment or two, you might recall very many vessels bearing Maori names over the past century or more.
  
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  April 18, 2024 7:24pm
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  Could’ve named it the Russell Coutts
  
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  April 18, 2024 8:29pm
Albie

Jesus Effen Christ! Just watched the Newshub 5:30 news I had recorded to see the coverage of the passing of Colin Giltrap.
What do I see, a bunch of half naked out of shape “Maori “ performing a haka!
Trying really hard to make the cultural connection with Motorsport if anyone on KB can assist, or am I being insensitive?
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350250254/picture-shows-three-rainbows-sky-over-south-auckland
How appropriate.
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