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Chuck Bird

This crap is not preimum

The idea that Māori have advantages over New Zealanders in health is farcical – Anaru Eketone

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/the-idea-that-maori-have-advantages-over-new-zealanders-in-health-is-farcical-anaru-eketone/HXCZT46BBRCXNNZAYXBXOVYRT4/
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April 16, 2024 8:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  The entire presupposition is crap. The incessant pitting of one ethnicity against another is toxic, neo-Marxism. It’s well past time NZers woke up to this fact. Some did and voted for Luxon to lead the way back. How’s that working out?
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:20am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I voted Act.
    
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    April 16, 2024 8:35am
  - julesnzuk
    
    How could anyone be under the illusion that National would lead the way back? Needed a bigger party vote share for ACT.
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:35am
  - jkt
    
    So we should have voted for labour, green or the racist party?🥳
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:50am
  - Damocles11
    
    We just have to accept that you have people on the right who are habituated to voting for National, socially liberal blue bloods who are thoroughly National, corporate and business types who are primarily about money and believe they can get a better deal under National, and then a great many essentially non-political middle class battlers who just want a tax cut and voted National as the mainstream option promising that.
    David Seymour is thoroughly demonised in the media as a radical and a racist, and in any case many rusted-on National voters will always think of ACT as some fringe party of interlopers and wierdos that they unfortunately have to do business with.
    The vast majority of people in that broad based grouping that elected the Coalition just want a return to their comfortable previous version of reality: soaring house prices, low inflation, comforting GDP numbers, and a BBQ with friends discussing the footy while enjoying a glass of Central Otago’s finest. A comfortable illusion where you don’t have to think about our mounting debt, balance of payments crisis, mass immigration, crumbling infrastructure, low productivity, and house-of-cards economy.
    
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    April 16, 2024 12:18pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      Very well put. Unfortunately I suspect you have summed up NZ to a T.
      
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      April 16, 2024 7:50pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      I’m going to hack WordPress so I can give you 100 upticks. A superb summary like julesnauk said. Our political class just DO NOT GET IT.
      
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      April 16, 2024 9:34pm
- peterwn
  
  Looks like the Herald agrees – it is mo longer premium.
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:24am
  - Bevan
    
    More likely the reason is they want more people to read and agree with it.
    
    Hide right thinking articles behind premium so only people inclined to read them will pay to do so. Open left thinking articles to all so they have greater impact and influence. Its the Heralds way of trying to sway public opinion.
    
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    April 16, 2024 12:26pm
- CJames
  
  He hangs his whole story off a third hand anecdote. Yet he calls himself an academic. That is a very good example of why people have lost faith in the quality of university education.
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:45am
- Surely Knott
  
  What a failure of an article.
  
  “a Māori women told me about a visit to her GP. The doctor came into the waiting room, pointed at a waiting patient and said “I want you to go down to the money machine, get the money you owe me, and then, I’ll see you.”
  
  We cannot know for certain what the facts were. It could have been an incomplete Trade Me auction, a car sale, or a dinner date gone wrong. ”
  
  1. The comment is 3rd hand hearsay. Even the first person who overheard the comment wasn’t clear on the reason.
  
  2. The Maori patient told him the story. But it doesn’t say the ethnicity of the patient who was told to get the money.
  
  “Whatever the true circumstances, the actual outcome was a message that flew around the Māori community that “if you don’t have the money, don’t bother turning up to the doctor”
  
  3. How does Anaru know which communities the story went around? Was there a study at his uni? No. Just more reckons.
  
  “With the clinical needs being equal, the most important criteria was the number of days on the waiting list. Other factors were then added including ethnicity, deprivation (based on decile ratings of your street) and whether you lived in a rural area.”
  
  3. So the issue isn’t race, it’s about money. Not all Maori are poor. And not all other races are wealthy. But he is stereotyping
  
  4. The equity adjuster prioritises people based on deprivation but not on their personal wealth. It’s based on the demographics of your neighbourhood?! The emergency housing tenants living in the Parnell hotel. I suppose they would be indexed for surgery as wealthy because they lived in a wealthy neighbourhood.
  
  Overall Anaru’s opinion piece fails to prove his point. It’s based on an overheard 2nd hand conversation. The opinion piece is racist. The equity adjuster is racist. And the deprivation equity adjuster is inaccurate.
  
  Surgery should only be prioritised on clinical need. End of.
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:45am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Maybe the Disinformation Project could have a look…?
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:26am
    - jkt
      
      Yes, indeed. But, it is straight out of their playbook, so they probably edited it!!
      
      I am glad the Herald made this free to read.
      
      How condescending.
      People of Maori decent do not have the capacity to think logically or rationally.
      
      My side is always right, the other side is stupid and also always wrong. “Ask, what can I do for my country.”
      
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      April 16, 2024 11:56am
  - Ehlana
    
    Apparently need is the first criteria. When a group of people have equal need, they go to a second criteria. I would have thought that would logically be time on the waiting list. You could make a case for consideration of ease of clinical support while waiting – that is, people with less access to a doctor are less likely to get appropriate monitoring and pain relief while waiting for surgery. That would likely give both rural dwellers and poor urbanites more priority.
    
    Not really clear why you would need to specify ethnicity, since an ethnic group with more need would already have qualified under the need, time & access criteria.
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:29am
  - rouppe
    
    “a Māori women told me about a visit to her GP. The doctor came into the waiting room, pointed at a waiting patient and said “I want you to go down to the money machine, get the money you owe me, and then, I’ll see you.”
    
    On first look it would appear that the GP had seen this patient on other occasions and they had not paid.
    
    What do they think will happen?
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:33am
    - Ghost
      
      I’ve seen it happen at my gp’s a few times. Someone comes in to see the gp, reception will ask them if they can pay first, typically at that point they are a few visits in debt and not paying. The practices typically bends over backwards to help people who are struggling to pay.
      
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      April 16, 2024 5:30pm
      - peterwn
        
        Wanaka Medical Centre wants cash up front from out of towners. Presumably they have had too many runners. Presumably other resorts are the same.
        
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        April 16, 2024 7:14pm
- Gravelroad
  
  From the article:
  “Studies have also shown that we are also less likely to have doctors as part of our social networks and so often miss out on the “coaching” some patients get to exaggerate symptoms to get priority.”
  How pathetic is this?
  How can anyone take seriously excuses made for poor Maori health treatment take-up by saying they don’t know doctors socially?
  What are the “studies” which verify this as measurable and true?
  I’ve heard some stupid stuff about active responsibility for personal health care and outcomes, but that is ridiculous.
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I once got some coaching from my local GP….
    
    We’d both turned up at the local tennis club with our kiddie-winkles for the annual Parent-child tournament.
    
    Just as I stepped out to to make my first swipe at a return volley, I experienced an excruciating pain in my right calf. I yelped and came to a grinding halt.
    I called out to the local GP still playing on the court next to me…
    she laughed and told me I should have stretched first..and to put a bag of frozen peas on my leg when I got home.
    
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    April 16, 2024 9:48am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Family member lived in house in town where neighbour was a GP.
      From time to time there were social gatherings organised for those living in the vicinity. Sometimes the doctor attended but he had an absolute horror of being accosted by someone asking about medical matters. And if they did, he packed up his chilly bin and fold-up chair and went home.
      I have lived in what might be described as fairly remote rural for many years. Sometimes we had very little money to spend. But it never stopped us getting an appointment and making a trip to town to visit a doctor when required.
      You only get one life.
      
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      April 16, 2024 11:08am
  - PhilBest
    
    They are more likely to have All Blacks as part of their social networks, aren’t they? Why might different races have differing participations in different things? Maori are under-represented in Table Tennis too, is this something to worry about?
    
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    April 16, 2024 9:50am
    - pdm
      
      Phil there weren’t many Maori playing Cricket or Badminton when I was playing.
      
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      April 16, 2024 10:05am
  - julesnzuk
    
    This idiot actually thinks Europeans are coached by their doctor mates on how to exaggerate their symptoms? Leaving aside the racist supposition that Maori couldn’t possibly be friends with doctors this is fantastical, desperate stuff.
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:37am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Bollocks – I’m a doc and keep telling my ageing rooster to get his prostate checked by the GP yet he refuses 🙁
    
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    April 16, 2024 1:00pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Buy him a PSA test (circa $30) and tell him he can sleep in the back doorstep until he shows you the result. There isn’t a moment I’m not glad that I got tested, and then treated.
      
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      April 16, 2024 5:18pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Tell him it’s a new thing to freshen up your sex life
      
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      April 16, 2024 6:38pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘a Māori women’
  
  An academic?
  
  He’s no grammatacist.
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:36am
- farbeyond
  
  Don’t you know already, Chuck Bird? – Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:49am
  - peterwn
    
    That was 40 years ago.
    
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    April 16, 2024 7:17pm
- cas
  
  The fact that there is personal responsibility escapes people. If you drink, eat junk food and don’t exercise then you will have greater health problems than someone who doesn’t.
  
  I keep waiting for a journo to ask Rawiri why he couldn’t lose weight all by himself instead of having to have his stomach stapled. Or why he got to the stage where he did need a stomach stapling.
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:29am
  - Swifty
    
    Maybe Maori medicine didn’t work for him.
    
    Snigger.
    
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    April 16, 2024 1:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Isey at 105

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/04/m-ori-woman-celebrates-turning-105-in-bay-of-islands-with-a-shot-of-bourbon.html

_ The sequel to the doco/movie “James and Isey”
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April 16, 2024 8:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  My grandmother died at 108yrs, 7 months. She was a weekly brandy sipper, taken while teaching some poor Bridge player a lesson or two.
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:35am
  - Paulus
    
    My 90 plus year old grandmother said her feet could not touch the ground until she had a drop.
    Delivery every Wednesday at 10m, with a dozen Guinness and a bottle of Rum were requisite for years.
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:21am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      A 90 year old downed a dozen Guinness in one session? FMD!
      That stuff packs a pretty bad hangover for me.
      
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      April 16, 2024 8:33pm
- softail 1450
  
  MW, what an inspirational old lady ,troops were still returning home from the 1st World War,the model T was in production, the red Barron was not long dead and Winston Churchill was being pilloried for his part in the disastrous Gallipoli campaign ,somehow she lived all these decades yet never felt the need to have Moko kauae.
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:44am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Churchill was extremely personally chastened by his wrong call at Gallipoli. He lost his role as First lord of the admiralty and then quit his demoted office (and offers of other roles) to sign himself up (at age 40) to fight in the trenches of Belgium, where he survived a year as first a temporary Lt Colonel and then as a Major with many 10’s of excursions into no-mans land (at times so close to the German trenches he could hear them talking).
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:10am
    - sungsamning
      
      Yes, indeed. Most other politicians would just snaffle up a couple of directorships. He put his life on the line.
      
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      April 16, 2024 3:10pm
  - Paulus
    
    Am I to understand that the Moko is administered by tradition skin cutting, or is now what is called Tats – a totally different method.
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wow, 105 and still has her marbles. A tiny bit of bourbon could be what keeps her going. Happy Birthday Isey Cross.
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:45am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Its predominantly corn so it qualifies for at least one of your five a day!
    
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    April 16, 2024 8:54am
- Kiwiguy
  
  My Pakeha grandmother just passed away at 94.
  The last 10 years she was doolally with dementia -essentially we lost her years ago.
  It’s not fair that a Pakeha woman had a lower lifespan than this Maori woman. In fact it’s downright racist. Who can I blame?
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:48am
Maggie Pie

It’s easy to understand how a lot of taxpayers were aggrieved when it was announced
that Lux had agreed to continue funding the expenses of his former political rival
Dame Jacinda Ardern to the tune of $500k…. enabling her to continue in the role of ‘Special-Envoy-to-the-Christchurch Call’

But surely this is pushing it? Unless it’s photoshopped…..

https://twitter.com/nzpoliticsgroup/status/1779791858379727242
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April 16, 2024 8:25am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, we have all heard of the saying about ‘keeping enemies closer’ if that is Luxon’s plan, but there is a limit.
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:36am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Enemy? Ardern is a political force from which the power has leached leaving a fragile, narcissistic husk. That Luxon feels he need to spend $500k placating her is idiocy.
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It seems unthinkable. ☹️
  
  I just cannot comprehend why the PM allowed this Christchurch call road show to continue. Especially after her UN speech in which she said “speech is war”. 🙄
  
  Maybe there is a “PM club” where a new PM needs to pretend that all the former PMs are fabulous? IIRC John Key allocated money to promote Helen Clark in her campaign to become UN secretary general.
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:41am
  - MCōs
    
    In my daughter’s line of work she gets to meet local councilors and the mp plus the previous mp who is now on the list.
    She says they’re all good people, but when I asked she said the two MPs don’t cooperate over electorate matters; in fact they can’t stand each other
    
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    April 16, 2024 8:56am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Luxon likes to appear magnanimous.
    Not the first quality I want to see in a leader. The desire to be liked is usually fatal to a career.
    
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    April 16, 2024 8:57am
    - john1234
      
      It’s essential to a political career.
      
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      April 16, 2024 10:05am
    - MCōs
      
      Essential for a politician if you want people to vote for you
      Essential if you’re a dictator if you don’t want to face a firing squad
      
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      April 16, 2024 10:17am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I didn’t say politician, I said leader.
        
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        April 16, 2024 10:47am
      - MCōs
        
        Let’s not be disingenuous
        We vote for politicians to lead the country forward
        
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        April 16, 2024 11:35am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Its not disingenuous.
        He isn’t a career politician and he campaigned on his skills as a leader.
        
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        April 16, 2024 11:51am
      - Taieri
        
        We vote for politicians to lead the country forward
        —————-
        
        Most of us vote for the politicians who make promises that we like.
        Occasionally, these promises are kept. Very occasionally…
        
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        April 16, 2024 2:03pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      If this sort of crap is supposed to make me “like” him then he’s failing dismally.
      
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      April 16, 2024 10:58am
      - Ghost
        
        What sort of crap. The former PM has just given her valedictory speech, everyone has gone to congratulate and farewell her. That is the photo
        
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        April 16, 2024 11:02am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        What is he congratulating her for? 🙄
        
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        April 16, 2024 11:06am
      - julesnzuk
        
        Ghost – crap like wasting public money on her “Christchurch Call” vanity project nonsense. That’s what I was referring to. That ok with you?
        
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        April 16, 2024 11:08am
      - Ghost
        
        We haven’t had the budget yet. The govt has given no new money to the Christchurch call, it’s still funded from budget 2023
        
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        April 16, 2024 11:11am
      - Ghost
        
        You know this is normal Benedict. John key went over after helen gave her speech, shook her hand and kissed her on the cheek.
        
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        April 16, 2024 11:16am
- softail 1450
  
  MP, Maggie please give us a trigger warning when posting that horrible image of both the male and female political drones at the same time , thank you .
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:50am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I thi k that pic maybe when she finished her valedictory speech in parliament
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:16am
- Ghost
  
  Ardern has just given her valedictory speech, everyone was doing as they normally do when someone leaves
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is bad news for the Biden campaign. It basically means that there are millions of Democrats who are vowing to vote for anyone but Biden.

https://freedomeagledaily.com/500000-democrats-have-cast-primary-votes-against-joe-biden/?
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April 16, 2024 8:31am
- NothingLeft
  
  Doesn’t matter. The DNC decides, and pretty strong chance that they will replace Biden in August anyway – they’ve shown in the past that they don’t actually care about democratic norms regarding Primaries in ensuring H. Clinton was selected ahead of Sanders via debate cheating and other anti-democratic manoeuvering.
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:14am
  - Jake Dee
    
    I don’t see that happening short of a medical emergency. There is plenty of horse trading to be done to get a new candidate in and we just haven’t seen it.
    
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    April 17, 2024 3:10am
- virtualmark
  
  Shrug, far more Republicans voted against Trump in the GOP primaries.
  
  When it’s clear who’s going to win the primaries then it gives people the opportunity to make a protest vote.
  
  But when it’s all on the line in November there isn’t the luxury of a protest vote (sorry RFK) and so the voting behaviours are different.
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dunno about different behaviours VM.
    I say it will be a yuge win for Trump even if he is in Jail!
    
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    April 16, 2024 2:04pm
    - MCōs
      
      There’s something wrong somewhere if a prisoner is allowed to stand for president
      In two states ex prisoners are permanently disenfranchised
      
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      April 16, 2024 3:27pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Which State is Trump in?
        
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        April 16, 2024 4:17pm
Chris Nisbet

Shouldn’t extremist adherents of the ‘religion of peace’ be extremely peaceful?
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April 16, 2024 8:32am
- gravedodger
  
  Maybe the claim of a religion of peace is “Fake News, religion and peace in one sentence is an oxymoron, just read history.
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:47am
- Phronesis
  
  Death is peaceful, and once everyone who opposes them is dead, then life will be peaceful too. The religion of peace in a nutshell.
  
  I’ve always thought that those who claim to want “world peace” haven’t really thought through what it would take to get there. This is why the ends should never be used to justify the means.
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:31am
PhilBest

https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350246199/we-get-our-city-back-expert-welcomes-wellington-tunnel-idea?utm_

Yes! Get it done by the fastest possible international expert team, probably the most cost effective one too.

Maybe it is a blessing in disguise that the anti-car activists defeated the original trenched option city bypass and 2nd Mt Vic tunnel, in the 1980’s, because now the need is so dire that we can do something truly first-world. 15 minute time saving, I can believe it.
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April 16, 2024 8:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just don’t let any NZ company bore the tunnel.
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:43am
  - MCōs
    
    To the best of my knowledge we don’t have specialist boring contractors in Godzone who could handle that a project of that size
    Not that it’s ever going to come to that
    What’s Brown thinking?
    
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    April 16, 2024 11:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It just makes me despair that we had years of “let’s get Wellington moving”. What a 🤡 clown show.
  
  And of course we have Julie Ann Genter, as expected, telling us that such a road tunnel would be a tragedy. She wants “light rail”. Yeah we just had a 6 year cluster f*** in Auckland. She also wants “regional rail”. Yep we are all going back to the 1950s to use regional trains. 🙄
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/514342/new-wellington-tunnel-an-astonishing-misunderstanding-of-transport-priorities
  
  This person should never be given power again. Think of the damage that she could cause this country if she is ever the Minister of Transport.
  
  She really thinks that the gigantic traffic snarl up at the Terrace Tunnel is going to be solved by public transport.
  
  With a couple of minor exceptions, the road layout in Wellington has not changed in 50 years. Look at Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. Their urban arterial road network has been transformed in just the last 30 years. In Sydney, this has been largely in the form of underground urban motorways through extensive tunnels.
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:07am
  - MCōs
    
    The thing about Wellington is it’s the end of the line.
    A multi billion tunnel out to Kilbirnie would take a few commuters out to that inhospitable, windswept suburb, what is essentially a secondary airport, a prison and some more minor suburbs on a peninsula with limited access.
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:36am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Have you ever tried getting a cab or an Uber from that “secondary airport” to the city at 0800 on a Monday morning? Go try it and report back. 😅
      
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      April 16, 2024 11:09am
      - Ghost
        
        That’s good, her magic touch will rub off on another failed project
        
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        April 16, 2024 11:10am
      - MCōs
        
        Usually when I stay in Wellington these days it’s with my sister out at Island Bay, which is nowhere near the proposed folly
        Apart from that my wife is petrified of flying in or out of that wretched airport so when we go to Wellington we motor down from Auckland
        BTW
        To construct the airport the MOW, or whoever, relocated a number of houses to reclaimed land on Rongotai Rd. I lived in one of them back in the seventies. I talked to someone who lived in an existing house along there and all these houses went passed their place.
        One day the truck transporting a house got stuck right outside their house. Unfortunately there was a family wedding reception in their house that day and the access to the property was blocked
        
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        April 16, 2024 12:04pm
      - Kiwiguy
        
        That trip from Airport > CBD in the mornings is terrible. I no longer do it. I’ve come close to missing appointments because of that congestion in the mornings. And no, I can’t bus/cycle/walk etc.
        Instead, I come down the night before and book a hotel close to my first appointment to avoid that traffic. More unnecessary cost imposed on people due to the continuing Wellington road saga.
        
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        April 16, 2024 12:57pm
      - MCōs
        
        There was congestion around the East entrance to the tunnel back in the seventies in the morning when I used to live in Kilbirnie
        People were hanging out for a second road tunnel back then! Never happened
        
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        April 16, 2024 3:35pm
    - virtualmark
      
      That secondary airport services over 600,000 people. If we could move all the airport-related traffic out of central Wellington then that would be a massive change – more transformative for Wellington than the Waterview tunnels have been for Auckland.
      
      Note that the “long tunnel” idea was originally part of LWGM, then dropped, and now only resurrected because the former head of transport planning at the Wellington Council has been pushing it as a private citizen. Good for him.
      
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      April 16, 2024 11:53am
      - MCōs
        
        Wellington Airport handles on average about 16-17k passengers per day
        The Puhoi motorway has about 20k vehicles per day. Maybe 40k people
        The Waterview Tunnel 83k vehicles per day, but that’s 2 x 3 lanes
        
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        April 16, 2024 3:49pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Maybe invite these guys in. They have built and operated very impressive road tunnels in Sydney. The latest one is 9.6 km long. And there is yet another one under construction.
  
  https://www.transurban.com/roads-and-projects/sydney
  
  I know some will not agree, but IMO the way to transform Wellington roads is to get an international outfit to build them and pay tolls.
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:15am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Correct.
    Kiwi companies seem to get the contract and park up their machinery surrounded by thousands of cones, all on hourly charge up, and, if its not too windy, too sunny, too dark, too rainy, too weekendy, or after 3pm, they might switch on one of their machines.
    
    Here’s how it should be done:
    https://m.facebook.com/reel/944703397059677/?referral_source=external_deeplink
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:56am
- NothingLeft
  
  If the govt were to downsize the civil service by 15000 to an appropriate size would it still be needed?
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Only about 40 percent of public servants are in Wellington. In the Wellington region, public servants are about 12 percent of the workforce.
    
    So yes. Fixing Wellington roads is at least 30 years past due. If you need a reminder, drive through the Terrace Tunnel at just about any time except the middle of the night.
    
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    April 16, 2024 11:21am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Sorry forgot the link.
      
      https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/employment-and-skills/regional-skills-leadership-groups/wellington/regional-workforce-plans/regional-workforce-plan/part-2-the-foundations-of-our-plan-the-region-its-people-and-its-work/about-our-region/overview-of-our-currentlabour-market/
      
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      April 16, 2024 11:45am
Yvette

A move to grant whales legal personhood would include the right to sue
So what if whales went to court? What if whales sued for plastic pollution in their habitat, the dumping of waste in the oceans or climate change causing warmer waters and depleting their food stocks?

In addition to recognising tikanga as a source of law, the Supreme Court has also opened the door to climate change focused litigation, such as the case of Smith v Fonterra.

Among other findings, the court found the litigation should proceed, as it might involve ideas of tikanga and tikanga-based loss that should be tested at trial. This suggests that if the courts were to recognise the validity of He Whakaputanga Moana in customary law, this case might allow those representing whales to run a claim against ocean polluters.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/04/16/what-if-whales-could-take-us-to-court/

Consider the oft-used argument that if Islamic interests replaced the ethnic approach to this matter, how far would if proceed?
Sorry, Islamic people – it is just that many Islamic states do involve that religion in the running of entire countries and their inhabitants, and are examples – rightly or wrongly – of the extreme consequences of such a social engagement (to put it as politely as it may be put).

Or if “traditional Christianity” (to rain equally on another religion) declared whales to be persons and took on representing their interests in court action, and if winning reparation should spend it on the whales behalf, because ATMs do not accomodate a whale of a lot of usage?

Much of this stems from a Peter Ellis court decision –

In the recent case of Ellis v R, the Supreme Court recognised and applied ideas about mana. In deciding to overturn the conviction of Peter Ellis posthumously, the court held that Mr Ellis’ mana was affected by the convictions, even after his death.

same article

– and had the equivalent human right of simple “respect, truth, and correction” been applied rather than any ethnically-associated lore, some of the above would perhaps not be pursued.
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April 16, 2024 8:34am
- Taieri
  
  So what if whales went to court?
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  Is there a court big enough to accommodate a whale?
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:58am
  - Kiwiguy
    
    Imagine if a whale came to court.
    Imagine the potential whale oil.
    Ewww.
    
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    April 16, 2024 12:59pm
    - Jethrod
      
      And they would probably get the hump.
      
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      April 16, 2024 3:50pm
- CJames
  
  In Australia, spirit whales got protection and the company had to pay costs to the indigenous person who argued on their behalf.
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:24am
MCōs

Here’s a mildly amusing joke
School teacher talking
“If you can tell me who said the following quote, they don’t have to come to school on Monday: ‘We have nothing to fear, but fear itself'”
A hand shoots up and little Billy Tran says “Franklin Roosevelt”.
“Correct, Billy. You can have next Monday off” the teacher replies.
“I’m Vietnamese, we value education I’ll be here Monday”.
“Ok” says the teacher “Lets try another one: ‘Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.'”
This time the hand of little Susie Hou rises.
“Abraham Lincoln”
“Correct Susie.” the teacher asserts “Enjoy your day off”
Susie says “Oh no ma’am. I’m Chinese, we also value education I’ll be here early on Monday morning”.
“Fucking immigrants!” a voice says from the back.
“Who said that?!” the teacher snaps.
“Donald Trump…” says little Johnny “…I’ll see ya Tuesday”
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April 16, 2024 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I’m gonna steal that MCos – for our Alaskan friends.
  
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  April 16, 2024 8:51am
- softail 1450
  
  MCos , Who said these famous words , “ I used to shower late at night so I didn’t have to shower naked with him”? oh yeah that’s right it was Ashlee Biden on page 67 of her stolen diary, and funny enough she was talking about her father old Joe , Donald Trumps political rival for POTUS.
  Which of the two would you trust looking after your young daughters MCos.
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:01am
  - MCōs
    
    You forgot the question mark.
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:38am
    - imalwaysright
      
      You are a disingenius!
      
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      April 16, 2024 12:32pm
- sungsamning
  
  Definitely stealing that for assorted friends.
  
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  April 16, 2024 3:18pm
Maggie Pie

Another dreadful stabbing in Sydney last night 🙁

A person described as….. “a young man dressed in black whispering Alahoo Akbar” rushed at the Bishop of ‘The Church of the Good Sheppard’, viciously stabbing him in the face and neck.
He was immediately set upon by members of the congregation, with some reports on ‘X’ saying they cut his fingers off.
An eye for an eye (Exodus 21:23-27)

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1779811820443713602
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April 16, 2024 8:54am
- PhilBest
  
  Ooh, I wondered where I might first read of those little details given the anodyne mainstream “reporting” I encountered first-off. Maggie Pie on Kiwiblog, well done; don’t blogs without woke moderators fill such a valuable role?
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:02am
- Surely Knott
  
  Interesting that the herald has shared you tube content of the stabbing. They also shared the images of the dead lying in pools of blood at the shopping mall. But with local crimes the incident and details and certainly any video are almost always suppressed.
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:25am
- Ghost
  
  he was a 15 year old boy. Police have not yet released any motive.
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:29am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Perhaps they don’t subscribe to ‘X’ ?
    
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    April 16, 2024 9:34am
    - Ghost
      
      Perhaps you should wait for police to release details. And also check your links before posting
      
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      April 16, 2024 9:36am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Perhaps YOU should subscribe to twitter 😀
        
        https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1779841200167514524
        
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        April 16, 2024 9:42am
      - Ghost
        
        Why, that can be seen on the news articles, as can the police who were attacked.
        
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        April 16, 2024 9:52am
  - Ghost
    
    Now released it was a terrorist act
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2024/04/sydney-church-attack-deemed-terrorist-attack.html
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:16am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      DUH! I let all my besties know that at 10 last night.
      
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      April 16, 2024 10:22am
- kowtow
  
  The Assyrians are indigenous to Mesopotamia .
  
  The Islamic Arabs and later the Turks came long after them and engaged in centuries of oppression and genocide against them.
  
  I wonder would the Greens like to don some Assyrian garb and chant ” From the mountains to the sea the Assyrians will be free”
  
  No didn’t think so .
  
  btw the attacked Bishop looks very like their co religionists the Egyptian Copts , also indigenous in Egypt and also very oppressed.
  
  What’s the common problem here . Hint , it’s not the “Jews” or British Imperialism.
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:56am
  - Jack5
    
    Assyrians … subject of a famous poem by Byron based on the Assyrian siege of Jerusalem in 701 BC.
    Those of us who went to school in the days when we had to learn poems, will remember:
    
    The Assyrian came down like the wolf on the fold,
    And his cohorts were gleaming in purple and gold;
    And the sheen of their spears was like stars on the sea,
    When the blue wave rolls nightly on deep Galilee.
    
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    April 16, 2024 4:55pm
- herb1
  
  The Australian Muslim Federation have posted on NZ Herald FB page warning them they have legal obligation to remove any hate speech or religious comment etc. Wonder why they are doing this?
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:04am
  - Ehlana
    
    Yes. Looks very tone deaf amongst all the comments from people appalled by what has happened, none of whom seem to be making any comments at all about Muslims.
    That legal obligation is, it seems, Australian. Perhaps someone should tell them the NZH publishes in NZ.
    
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    April 16, 2024 2:25pm
- cmm
  
  I wonder whether this one has a Muslim sounding name?
  
  Of course having, or not having, a Muslim sounding name doesn’t mean much. After all, NZ’s most famous Muslim is Sonny William Williams – not Mohamed anything.
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:13am
Scooter

Yet another, a 26 yr old has a heart attack on the field. I thought playing sport was meant to be healthy or could it be something else?

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/04/15/minor-league-player-who-collapsed-on-pitch-dies_e05e8cec-2da3-44ba-8bcc-6aaaf5eb1951.html
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April 16, 2024 8:57am
- NothingLeft
  
  I get the sense that the dam against publication of vax harm studies is starting to crumble, with strong evidence now being published of serious clotting, cancer and other immunological harms done by the MRNA vaxs. Dr John Campbell doing sterling work in presenting much of it.
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:22am
- Scooter
  
  And another, a 24 year old. But it’s now called “having a bad turn”.
  
  https://www.ansa.it/english/news/sports/2024/04/15/romas-ndicka-feeling-better-after-bad-turn_3479a4c7-f317-457b-82d4-328229e7bfc5.html?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=613&pnespid=Hr5z809Z6X8ey1Kf6c7NHFtbu08h0_pysFtCEK9baJ3K4CxGIMiy9Y2hpS4gkabn_io6vg
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:50pm
Rusty

Rumors Stuff buying NewsHub. Is that what Paddy Gower meant last week?
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April 16, 2024 9:14am
- john1234
  
  Should be enough to push Stuff under, so good news, ironically.
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:08am
- Paulus
  
  Suggested only the News programme only with one person ?
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:28am
- softail 1450
  
  Rusty ,For how much ? probably the same price as was paid for Stuffed $1.00 and that would be a fair price for NeuteredHub maybe even a tad high.💰
  
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  April 16, 2024 12:29pm
  - Rusty
    
    @softail 1450 – I was thinking about that myself. I didn’t know Stuff had any money.
    
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    April 16, 2024 2:39pm
- sungsamning
  
  They could call it Stuffed news.
  
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  April 16, 2024 3:21pm
vand

Maggie- try Matt 5;
Yeshua bar Joseph
“38“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you”.
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April 16, 2024 9:24am
- Maggie Pie
  
  You can see why the world’s in the state it’s in 🙁
  
  Besides, my gran drummed into me from an early age…
  “Neither a borrower nor a lender be”
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:18am
- NothingLeft
  
  Some really foolish biblical guidance there.
  
  History teaches us that those that beat their swords into plough shares generally end up ploughing for those that kept their swords. Passivists end up as slaves.
  
  Simplest guide to positive ethics: Be the mirror, treat others as they treat you, with a bias towards trust/generosity/pro-social choices with regard to people you haven’t dealt with previously.
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:30am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Any word on what to do if they take to you with a knife?
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:49am
Surely Knott

Who is funding STUFF news to remain afloat let alone buy a tv news business. Someone with deeper pockets than Warner bros? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/newshub-closure-staff-called-to-meeting-new-stuff-news-service-set-to-be-announced/F5SEKQS7Z5AFJFWKL4SF6EVRIA/
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April 16, 2024 9:28am
- Vinicius
  
  Paddy Gower has issues and friends with money?
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:11am
Maggie Pie

Talkback caller tells host…. ACC paid out $35 million in Taxi Fares last year to ferry benes to & from medical appointments.
Now we hear the contracted cab companies don’t even turn up half the time and people are having to call Uber instead and pay for it themselves.

Where’s the accountability? Oh wait… it’s only taxpayer money.
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April 16, 2024 9:32am
- john1234
  
  My son was on ACC with a broken leg andsupposed to be using ACC taxis to get to school as he couldn’t get in and out of the bus. The taxi service (Blue Bubble) was useless. They often didn’t bother to turn up or were very late, and I expect it was because they were paid less on the ACC contract so cancelled if another fare was available. We complained to ACC and they allowed us to use Uber instead. The only minor drawback was having to pay the Uber ourselves and claim it back whereas the taxi company charged ACC directly in the rare event that they bothered to show up.
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:12am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sounds like it could be a lucrative contract to have 😀
    Isn’t due for review unti next year….maybe UBER might get a shot at it?
    
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    April 16, 2024 10:32am
MCōs

Stuff is going to provide the news at six o’clock on TV3, it seems
All the people celebrating the demise of Newshub can look forward to half an hour of Tova every night

Careful what you wish for, m***f***ers
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April 16, 2024 9:42am
- kowtow
  
  Yeah well , mofo , how long will it last ?
  
  These platforms are already terminal.
  
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  April 16, 2024 9:51am
- Ghost
  
  I wonder how that will go
  
  Welcome to stuff news at 6pm. Tonight’s news will be presented by stuff journalist….. our top story, which you can also read on stuff is.
  
  All while a stuff banner is down below giving you current stories on stuff
  
  Perhaps they can end each broadcast by telling the one or two people watching that tonight you have been truly stuffed.
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:23am
  - Yabster
    
    yeah- should see the bullshit Boucher is spouting re newshub being independent and non-partisan…what a woke shit show that 1 hour a night will be- I won’t be watching, any potential advertiser shld be thinking twice re the audience that will be.
    
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    April 16, 2024 11:00am
    - Ghost
      
      Lee as incoming minister received a briefing on the media, which was released to the public with one media company blacked out. We can all work out which company that was. I don’t expect this show will last the year as it seems stuff is in the shitter.
      
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      April 16, 2024 11:09am
- Colville
  
  Where Tova goes, liquidation is sure to follow.
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:05am
- greybeard
  
  If Melissa Lee knew about this it would explain why she made such a mess the other day, not being able to mention it.
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:50am
  - MCōs
    
    If any politician knew about this they’d be shouldering their way to the front of the media announcement
    
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    April 16, 2024 12:40pm
- sungsamning
  
  Thanks for that info.
  
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  April 16, 2024 3:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Good News: The World Is Not Ending
Is climate change an existential crisis? Judith Curry, former Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology, has spent her career studying this question. Her answer might surprise you.
What about Greta and AOC? 12 years left!
Seems that Governments are partly responsible for fucking things up – no shit!

https://www.prageru.com/video/good-news-the-world-is-not-ending?
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April 16, 2024 9:48am
TripeWryter

I wish to commend the Minister of Finance, Nicola Willis, for her use of one word in her interview with Michael Hosking this morning.
It was ‘receiving’.
How people are ‘receiving news.’
Not the god-awful cliche ‘consume’.
You cannot ‘consume news’ You don’t eat it or drink it.
You receive it by reading it, hearing it, or watching it.
I’m half-awake often when Hosking does these interviews.
But I was impressed by how Ms Willis gave answers that were clear and precise and decisive.
In a way she rescued the Media Minister, Melissa Lee, by spelling out clearly that the Government would not be riding like white knights in to rescue Newshub and TVNZ’s news operations.
Melissa Lee, it seems to me, tried to have it both ways.
She didn’t want to say that but didn’t have the heart to spell it out clearly because she knew the hacks pointing their mikes, phones, and cameras at her would tear her to pieces for not doing so.
And she was right.
Look at how upset and angry, soon-to-be jobless hacks have been blaming her for not coming to their rescue.
Jason Walls of NewstalkZB complains of her ‘bedside manner’.
Heather du Plessin-Allan made a similar criticism.
So have some talk-backers.
Ms Lee has seemed indecisive, confused, and confusing.
Was there a paper to Cabinet? Had Winston Peters stymied it? Was there a plan? And so on.
Melissa Lee might have been better served telling Gallery hacks desperate for an empathetic group cuddle and not being told the unpalatable truth that: ‘We’re not helping you. It’s not our business to bail you out. Sorry about that.’
Because she didn’t they’ve focused their rage and their grief on her seeing her as an easy target.
They need to grow up.
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April 16, 2024 10:08am
- mandk
  
  In the past 3-4 years, the MSM have benefited enormously from government largesse, i.e. taxpayers’ money.
  
  Not only have they had the PJIF, they have also enjoyed a massive COVID-related advertising spend.
  
  They must have known that both would come to an end, but they did nothing to get themselves fit for a new operating environment.
  
  Zero sympathy from me.
  
  A pox on all their houses.
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:01am
Tomtoddy

Some Japanese fishing boat aground in Hauraki Gulf. Were they fishing there at night? Is that why I didn’t catch any large size schnapper fishing yesterday??

I recall when Korean and Japanese fishing boats were trawling just outside the breakers on the WestCoast back in the 60’s and 70’s. Ended surf casting catches.
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April 16, 2024 10:21am
- Maggie Pie
  
  LOL! Even I’ve been fishing at ‘The Noises’ with my partner.
  It’s only about 20 mins from Westhaven. No wonder I never got a bite 😀
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:28am
- alex Masterley
  
  Whoever was on watch and the navigator will be in strife!
  The noises are a bit difficult to miss (as the fishing boat has demonstrated).
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:23am
  - softail 1450
    
    Alex ,many reefs and rocks out around that area are fully submerged at incoming tides ,it’s a dangerous place in a trailer boat if you don’t have your wits about you so I’m amazed they were within 5kms of the place on their journey to Auckland and in the dark I think as well. ??
    
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    April 16, 2024 12:40pm
Stellaboxer

Hilarious, news outlet failing due to its far left bias rushes in to save news outlet failing due to its far left bias. What part of few people trust you ( so therefore don’t consume your output so aren’t there to advertise to) does Stuff not understand? Hopefully it will hasten the end of both of them. TV3 Stuff news at Six ! What a revolutionary concept// Just illustrates how important these people believe they are.
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April 16, 2024 10:55am
- Maggie Pie
  
  People who wish to remain anonymous are saying…. Tova O’Brien has been appointed ‘Head of News & Content’
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:09am
  - Yabster
    
    you mean head of “Propaganda Of Socialism.” or POS for short…
    
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    April 16, 2024 11:27am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    if I worked for an organisation that announced they were employing O’Brian I’d be immediately taking out redundancy insurance before the rush to alerts the providers.
    
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    April 16, 2024 11:39am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    “Then Jessica?”
    
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    April 16, 2024 11:42am
- thirteenstars
  
  It’s hard to see how they will survive given the fundamental problem mainstream media has, which is the shrinking of the traditional media landscape.
  
  Possibly Stuff have quietly absorbed the lesson of go woke go broke and will play their reporting straight down the middle in a pragmatic move, but probably not.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/newshub-closure-tv3-news-saved-stuff-set-to-provide-new-look-news-bulletin-under-deal-with-warner-bros-discovery/F5SEKQS7Z5AFJFWKL4SF6EVRIA/
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:10am
- Philview
  
  Amazing what can be purchased at the $1 shop these days
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:14am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  With comments like this, it’s clearly about their propaganda “fit” – bugger the public/advertisers views!
  
  “We also saw clear editorial and cultural alignment between Stuff and Newshub which extends to embodying the spirit of TV3 through nearly 35 years and generations of journalists, planners, producers, crew, and owners,” says Kyne.
  
  “It’s that alignment with Stuff’s independent spirit which we see having a positive and enduring fit.”
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:42am
- lifesgood
  
  I’m actally gutted by this news. The Ba****ds needed to be taught a lesson. My pick is they will not have learnt anything and will merrily go back to spouting crap as if nothing happened. Apparently only a few from TV3 will be re employed in a pared down newsroom…at least that’s good. I hope and pray we never see Paddy Gower ever again.
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:45am
- ecco
  
  Wonder if the maori tribes are funding Stuffed? How else could they do this deal. Will use it as a vehicle to push their woke agenda I suspect.
  
  Be interesting to see if they keep both Samantha Hayes and McRoberts on and have two newsreaders.
  
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  April 16, 2024 12:04pm
  - Flossie
    
    Preferably neither thanks.
    
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    April 16, 2024 4:57pm
- Tricati
  
  Wonder who is funding it.
  
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  April 16, 2024 12:34pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Seems only logical that the management team that turned Stuff from a worthless piece of shite into the successful business enterprise it is today would want to repeat their success with Newshub //
  
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  April 16, 2024 1:14pm
Paulus

Am getting to hear that within the Public Service, so far announced, it is the lower levels who are particularly the young, who appear to be singled out for redundancy.
Can see why the unemployment figures are going to increase over a short period of time as many of those have few, or no real qualifications, to offer outside the Public Service.
The dole becomes easier and they can again vote Greens or Labour.
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April 16, 2024 11:04am
- peterwn
  
  The trouble is it is the more senior people who protect their jobs. So when a senior Minister called for ‘heads to roll’ in the old Ministry of Works, the only heads to roll were those of a few relatively junior staff. The Commissioner’s (CEO’s) head should have rolled.
  
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  April 16, 2024 11:48am
  - Yabster
    
    the whole things has been a balls up- 2,500 public servants were employed in the last 6 mnths before the change of Government. At last count the redundancies were around 1,200?
    
    So to sum up the Govt says to the Ministry heads (the very people who had been hiring 6 mnths out from an election) -trim 6% – so the bosses go after the low hanging fruit and possibly some of the 2,500 that have just been employed (no doubt with redundancy clauses in the employment contracts). Like someone suggested- a group should be set up to assess what outputs each Ministry puts out, ask is if it adding value- if not- can the position/Ministry.
    
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    April 16, 2024 12:22pm
  - wsk12345
    
    I was assuming that the 6.5% was just a starter to help the first budget (bc a line by line could not happen fast enough)… and once that’s done a line by line review will start. Are we sure this is not the case. I wouldn’t imagine the coalition would want to advertise that just yet.
    
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    April 16, 2024 1:08pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “I was assuming that the 6.5% was just a starter to help the first budget..”
      
      That is not a safe assumption. If the government was serious they would have commissioned an Expenditure Review Committee on Day 1. Get all the cutting over with in the first budget.
      
      It is more likely that the momentum for reducing the public service will fizzle out. Sadly the cuts to date have hardly put a dent in the problem. I know the story gets tiresome but think Ministry of Education. It needs a 50 percent cut.
      
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      April 16, 2024 3:05pm
slightlyrighty

Well……If 3 News wasn’t Stuffed before, it’s certainly Stuffed now!
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April 16, 2024 11:41am
Chris Nisbet

Drowning man (Stuff) ties a millstone (3 News) around its neck.
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April 16, 2024 11:53am
- MCōs
  
  I remember years ago Mr Trump used to rabbit on about the ‘failing New York Times’
  The NYT is doing just fine
  People have been predicting the imminent demise of Stuff for about twenty years
  
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  April 16, 2024 4:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Can Trump rune for President if he is convicted?
Democrats should know this. They can’t even stop him if he is in a prison cell.
It has been done before. Democrats are doing this witch hunt to make voterd change their Trump vote.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/can-trump-run-for-president-if-he-is-convicted/ss-BB1lFvO6#image=7
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April 16, 2024 11:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

Just another night in Aotearoa…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514378/man-arrested-after-stabbing-in-wairoa
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April 16, 2024 12:21pm
- imalwaysright
  
  From the article:
  
  “A man has been arrested after two people were been assaulted and a third stabbed overnight in Hawke’s Bay”
  
  Monkey on a typewriter ?
  
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  April 16, 2024 12:46pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  “Was it them again Yogi?”
  
  “To be honest Booboo, I’m sick of you asking me that all the time”
  
  https://twitter.com/PicturesFolder/status/1779773923363590226
  
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  April 16, 2024 12:54pm
Hugh Jarse

I will be as likely to watch Stuff (ed) news as I will be to watching its predecessor. My expectations are that it will be worse than Newshub if modelled on Stuff. The piece of this that is getting interesting is who is funding Stuff ?.
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April 16, 2024 12:27pm
- MCōs
  
  Seeing as you don’t seem to have watched TV3 news before and have no intention of watching the revamped version you’re not in much of a position to comment on whether it’s likely to be worse or not
  Under normal circumstances funding is through advertising.
  Sometimes, such as The Platform for example, someone with an agenda stumps up the dosh.
  
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  April 16, 2024 1:47pm
  - Yabster
    
    The Platform has an agenda does it?- please enlighten us- if it’s to call out lefty woketards then yes it has an agenda.
    
    Also “advertising” is not covering the funding – that’s been clearly signaled- ie WBD is bailing because it is losing money.
    
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    April 16, 2024 1:58pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Most of us have occasionally been exposed to TV news, so are entitled to an opinion on its quality.
    
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    April 16, 2024 3:08pm
    - MCōs
      
      Of course we are, but I get tired of people who say something is dreadful and in the next breathe proudly claim they don’t watch/read or eat it
      
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      April 16, 2024 5:17pm
      - Hugh Jarse
        
        Maybe you shouldn’t come in here then ?
        
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        April 16, 2024 9:57pm
Southern Raider

What was the one nightmare scenario no one saw coming which is worse than NewsHub continuing.

Stuff running the 6 o’clock news.

Hopefully this sinks Stuff once and for good.
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April 16, 2024 12:34pm
- ecco
  
  They obviously have significant backers to do that deal. I’m guessing it’s the maori tribes. I heard somewhere on the radio in the past that they are funding stuffed. Nga Puhi?
  
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  April 16, 2024 12:49pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Meanwhile we pay for their channels and stations…..
    
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    April 16, 2024 2:09pm
  - ecco
    
    If stuffed is being funded by a Maori tribe then by definition the nz taxpayer is propping up stuffed and the relaunched newshub. I feel sorry for the likes of Michael Morrah who are going to have to move significantly to the left in his pieces if he is to retain his job.
    
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    April 16, 2024 5:27pm
  - Ghost
    
    I think you will find no iwi are funding stuff. The company is having problems which is why they recently laid off staff at different regional papers. Their online platform brings in a decent turn over, but the print isn’t. Wouldn’t be surprised if they end up dumping the papers and moving completely online.
    
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    April 16, 2024 5:35pm
Wayne Mapp

I hope that DPF has a specific item on Stuff providing news to Warner. Effectively that means there will be four major newsrooms in New Zealand (NZME, RNZ, Stuff and TVNZ). The two private newsrooms covering both print and radio.
Of the four, Stuff is always rumoured to be the financially most insecure. Maybe this deal provides Stuff greater financial security. Warner’s presumably had some interest in the viability of Stuff, and did their due diligence.
Personally I think it is quite important that Stuff survives, even though it seems to be loathed by many Kiwibloggers. Going down to just three newsrooms, two being state owned and one private would not be a good outcome. I know some here would like to see RNZ and TVNZ privatised (or alternatively not funded) but I am pretty sure everyone here knows that is not going to happen. It is not in the coalition agreement, and it is certainly not a fight that National would want to embark on.
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April 16, 2024 12:43pm
- ecco
  
  I’m predicting Newshub will move more left and go even more anti government/woke
  
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  April 16, 2024 12:50pm
  - mandk
    
    Thanks ecco
    
    You have articulated for Wayne Mapp why KBers tend to loathe Stuff.
    
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    April 16, 2024 1:04pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      However PM Luxon has said it was a great outcome. The private sector sorting it out.
      One of the interesting issues will be the style of the news when Stuff takes over. Will it boost the number of viewers or will it reduce them?
      
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      April 16, 2024 2:02pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        It will boost ratings. No one can resist watching a train wreck.
        
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        April 16, 2024 2:07pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Hi Wayne. It was ME who upticked your initial post @12:43pm.
        
        I reckon the best thing Stuff could do to ensure it’s survival, would be to get rid of both Mike & Sam as their woke News Presenters…. and bring in Ryan Bridge, solo.
        Tons of people I know find Ryan real HOT 😛
        
        What do you think?
        
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        April 16, 2024 2:30pm
      - Burtland
        
        well hopefully they retain clown Amelia Wade – her articles were such a circus
        – she uncovered Posie Parker’s secret white supremacist salute on TV3
        
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        April 16, 2024 3:09pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Maggie,
        
        An interesting thought. At least he is of a younger generation than just about everyone else presenting the news. And he can actually do interviews.
        
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        April 16, 2024 3:19pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Exactly. You can understand why Ali Mau switched sides.
        
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        April 16, 2024 3:29pm
  - MCōs
    
    Come July 6 there ain’t no Newshub
    
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    April 16, 2024 1:51pm
  - greybeard
    
    And all in Te Reo.
    
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    April 16, 2024 3:37pm
- Swifty
  
  Get rid of the state broadcasters and watch a dozen little newsrooms pop up to fill the void.
  
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  April 16, 2024 1:20pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  So 3 out of 4 (75%) left leaning newsrooms is better than 4 out of 5 (80%) left leaning – got it! Somehow given that Stuff was perceived as being even more left than The Spinoff, would suspect the media’s overall left bias will be even worse going forward given they’ll have both print & FTA outlets!
  
  https://nzmarketingmag.co.nz/behind-the-headlines-investigating-curias-latest-media-bias-poll-findings/
  
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  April 16, 2024 1:34pm
- Taieri
  
  I think it is quite important that Stuff survives
  ————–
  
  Why?
  
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  April 16, 2024 3:30pm
- Keith White
  
  Stuff has already gone Full Harpic = right around the bend. Now they just need to move on = be flushed away.
  
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  April 16, 2024 3:47pm
BeaB

Anna-Burns Francis exemplifies everything I hate about our media – smug, shallow and dim. Asking about Business Class for gods sake! I expected her next question would be if Nicola Willis uses a government credit card shock horror!
Is this the best they can do? Nothing about substance. Just the usual dim-witted questions we have heard a hundred times – except the times when Ardern flew to see her dad and flew home to breastfeed or Robertson travelling at huge expense to the rugby World Cup as a kind of golden handshake.
Even the RNZ political reporter with Luxon couldn’t do better than the hackneyed stuff we could all trot out.
Kudos to Nicola who answered patiently and fully, probably thinking she could be spending her time far more usefully
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April 16, 2024 12:45pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  That’s why everyone calls her… “the new Matty McClean of Breakfast”
  
  You watch – she’ll up there twerking soon. LOL!!
  
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  April 16, 2024 1:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Shane Jones is on to it. Let’s get this show on the road.
For NZ to start making money we have to burn our own coal as well as export it.
The naysayers say the coal we burn is not suitable. Then why the fuck was Huntly built on top of a coalfield. Why was Meremere built close the the Waimarina area?

The time to keep NZ poor and Govt dependent has gone – so has the person who caused it. Make NZ Great Again!
Of course the rent a mob will protest. Trespass them, jail them.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/coal-before-dole-government-to-make-it-easier-to-set-up-expand-mines/ar-BB1lG4Pd

Add, we have to get back to exporting more than we import. Yes I know the left don’t comprehend that.
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April 16, 2024 1:47pm
- sungsamning
  
  Yes, its past Easter, and there have been no disappointments from NZF. Guess I better join.
  
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  April 16, 2024 3:36pm
- MCōs
  
  Mr Jones hasn’t always been the darling of Kiwibloggers
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/05/dodgy_shane_strikes_again.html
  
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  April 16, 2024 5:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Uptick MCos.
    Seems Jones is better than that other mob…..
    
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    April 16, 2024 5:16pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    But he’s smashing it out of the park now and that’s what we care about.
    
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    April 16, 2024 8:02pm
Maggie Pie

This is what the smirking face of ‘PURE EVIL’ looks like 🙁

https://twitter.com/KosherCockney/status/1779844814134972422

How much better-off we’d all be if individuals like this could be removed from
the face of the earth. Permanently.
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April 16, 2024 2:02pm
- ISeeRed
  
  “Hmm…this page doesn’t exist. Try searching for something else.”
  
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  April 16, 2024 2:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Log into your own X, and it does.
    I have twitter/X for this purpose. I never use X.
    
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    April 16, 2024 4:03pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Well unlike New Zealand, in NSW he is likely to get a long prison term.
  
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  April 16, 2024 3:11pm
  - Keith White
    
    Long prison term? That’s a dream. Up here where we have good reporting, he’s described as Protected because of Nationality and Religion. The press also report the terrorist had four fingers chopped off his knife-hand while he was being restrained. The Aus police are now busy doing a Jan 6 equivalent media search of the ‘unruly crowd’ who wanted him lynched. What’s the best people who wanted vigilante justice will end up serving longer time in jail than the Protected One?
    
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    April 16, 2024 3:51pm
  - MCōs
    
    Who have we to compare this attack to?
    A non lethal terrorist attack in a place of worship.
    Pretty serious stuff.
    It’s not a ram raid
    That lynch mob outside were pretty nasty
    
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    April 16, 2024 4:19pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yes centuries of oppression will result in a reaction . Especially from people who went to Australia to live a peaceful , productive life away from the historical oppressor .
      Justto have it brought deliberatly , provocatively brought into the heart of their community where they should feel safest .
      
      I’m not surprised at all . ( nor do I condone it).
      
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      April 16, 2024 5:08pm
zubrick

read this and weep. new york prosecutor has the donald by the gonads aaaaaand the free world will suffer.
link https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/ecm-armstrongeconomics101/trump-will-be-found-guilty-in-nyc-and-bragg-will-try-to-imprison-him/
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April 16, 2024 2:02pm
- Inandout
  
  zub, maybe this is why Hosking had a go at Trump this morning to keep in sweet with his ex CNN boss. The Dems will try everything no matter how devious.
  
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  April 16, 2024 3:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Even in prison Trump will be POTUS.
  The 3/4/5 D Chess is being played here.
  Virtual chocolate fish and a virtual servo pie and coke is on the table – that Trump wins yuge!
  
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  April 16, 2024 4:13pm
- kowtow
  
  ZZZZZZZ
  
  ya left out the sarc .
  
  All this and the rest of the far left lawfare warriors achieve is to confirm to Mr Trump’s base that the Establishment ( Swamp) is not out for justice but revenge and to get the fix in.
  
  Trump will beat this and he’ll win the election ,fairly ,unlike how Creepy Sleepy Sleazy Joe did.
  
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  April 16, 2024 5:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

My previous post I screwed up.

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Maori are coming for your private land.
Stop them.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/how-doc-iwi-and-councils-are-colluding-to-take-private-land/?

Mod, can you delete my 11.57 post please?
Cheers.
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April 16, 2024 2:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A link to NZCPR posted on todays Stop Co-Governance post:
  https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/He-Puapua-Accelerates-NZCPR-Site.pdf
  Jacinda Ardern was donkey deep in this, but led by activists. She is not that smart – she was conned.
  
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  April 16, 2024 2:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you FBI?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbU9hIfznXA
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April 16, 2024 3:23pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go hmm…..

Tory Whanau has REJOINED the Green Pardy.
Said she only put her membership on hold while she dedicated herself
to the Wellington mayoralty.

What can this mean for the immediate future of our Capital City?
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April 16, 2024 4:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The whanau is after Marama or Chloe’s job?
  
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  April 16, 2024 4:15pm
- rouppe
  
  It means her membership was only on hold while she contested the mayoral so she could say she was an independent.
  
  It means she was always a Green Party candidate.
  
  It means she’s a liar, and a scammer.
  
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  April 16, 2024 4:27pm
  - Keith White
    
    Apparently those are not her only talents though.
    
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    April 16, 2024 4:50pm
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Suck the chrome off a trailer hitch?
      
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      April 16, 2024 9:58pm
- peterwn
  
  More cycleways, less parking and higher charges/rates.
  
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  April 16, 2024 7:22pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  She’s leaving?
  
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  April 16, 2024 7:26pm
Maggie Pie

Remember a couple of weeks back I broke the story here about $tuff doing a deal with WBD to take over ‘3News’.

Well, the same impeccable source with knowledge of the matter but wishes to remain anonymous, was telling me that they are rebranding the 6pm Bulletin as…. ‘NEWSABLE’
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April 16, 2024 4:29pm
- Keith White
  
  I guess it’s better than rebranding as STUFFABLE… just.
  
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  April 16, 2024 4:51pm
- Scooter
  
  It’ll be known as Get Stuff all News.
  
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  April 16, 2024 6:42pm
sht1971

Newshub- we ask how much Luxon’s social media posts are costing the taxpayer! Sorry?? Shall we rewind to Jacinda’s Facebook streams? Etc. don’t remember cost being an issue then!
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April 16, 2024 6:03pm
Maggie Pie

We juzt caught the news on telly about Trumpy in court for patying hush moneny to Stormy Daniel. As my partner said… theres no way hed have paid money to that ugly ol whore. LOL!!!
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April 16, 2024 6:18pm
Maggie Pie

And OMG! Looks like Erin Patterson has just ben handed an alibi.
Who could find her guilty now after the latest report by 1EWES Oz correspondent?
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April 16, 2024 6:34pm
NZer In Exile

A very revealing insight into why being a complacent and smug vegetable (IE ” I have nothing to hide” der!) re one’s internet privacy and security is a very bad idea in the current age.

Darknet Diaries:
Rachel Tobac is a social engineer. In this episode we hear how she got started doing this and a few stories of how she hacked people and places using her voice and charm.
https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/144/
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