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NeverMindTheBollocks

Yeah baby!

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/514270/government-investigates-4km-tunnel-under-wellington
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April 15, 2024 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Does Wellington want it this century?
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:36am
- wsk12345
  
  I thought we were broke.
  
  Do they tunnel under all the houses or can they only go under existing roads?
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:44am
  - rouppe
    
    Broadly speaking they said “under the Basin Reserve”.
    
    If you look at a line between Kilbirnie Park-ish to The Terrace-ish it goes under the Basin.
    
    I don’t understand why they’d want to have it go to The Terrace though.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:10am
    - pdm
      
      Link up to the Terrace tunnel maybe?
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:25am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We are, but if someone else pays snd tolls it then good job
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:25am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do they tunnel under all the houses or can they only go under existing roads?
    
    I was living in 28 MacDonald Cresc in 1974 when the Motorway Tunnel construction was taking place.
    Houses had gone from the South side of the road, but the tunnel went under 32 MacDonald Cresc and houses on upper Dixon St and onto the Terrace.
    
    The original houses on MacDonald Cresc and upper Dixon Street are still standing.
    
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    April 15, 2024 11:06am
    - Ra Henare
      
      All depends how deep the tunnel is.
      Elon Musk says creating his large tunnels do not disturb people on the surface. ie they dont hear of feel a thing.
      
      Of course we hear about all the Hamas tunnels, Dug underground and not picked up by Israeli surface sound monitors.
      
      Below sea level tunnels(ie under Wellington/Basin Reserve) are dug all the time.
      
      So my guess its “doable””.
      Time and cost of course is the main consideration.
      
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      April 15, 2024 2:21pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Could be a goer. If NZ develops an economy like South Korea or Singapore. Wake me up when we’re there.
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:06pm
  - peterwn
    
    They can go under private property but they would still need to ‘take land’ under the Public Works Act. In practice this would mean placing an easement on the land above the route of the tunnel and payment of compensation (because a land owner theoretically owns the land to the bowels of the Earth and up to the heavens – “Cuius est solum, eius est usque ad coelum et ad inferos”). An assessment would be done on each property to determine the possible impact on any buildings or future development to help design and determination of compensation. Some Wadestown and Newlands properties have similar easements as they are above railway tunnels. There would similarly be easements and possibly more complex agreements for the new underground rail line in Auckland. In particular there was significant negotiations and coordination with Precinct Properties for continuing the line beyond Britomart with the rail route being incorporated within the foundations of a new building.
    When Vector (then Mercury) built its cable tunnel into Auckland CBD, it found it more practicable to follow a route under streets than to go to the bother of having to arrange easements etc.
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:32pm
- Kiwiguy
  
  But, but, but think of the habitat being destroyed for the Great Spotted-Eared Earthworm!
  Or whatever….
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:49am
  - Colville
    
    Exactly what is being moaned about here…
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350242546/aucklands-east-west-link-ordered-back-starting-blocks
    
    Just build the f*****g thing!
    
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    April 15, 2024 11:58am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Don’t knock the Great Spotted Eared earthworms.
    They have as much back bone as our prime minister.
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Taniwha breeding place. It will need koha.
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:34pm
- Flossie
  
  What’s going to happen to this tunnel in the event of a huge earthquake?
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:06am
  - rouppe
    
    The same thing that happens to every tunnel in a “huge” earthquake
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:11am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Then why has the Vic tunnel never caved in?
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:26am
      - cmm
        
        Because it hasn’t encountered a big EQ yet.
        Wellington hasn’t had a really serious EQ since the 1800s.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:01am
  - Paulus
    
    Known to be the best place in an earthquake !
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:17am
    - Ghost
      
      The road outside the tunnel is a different story…..
      
      Article
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:26am
  - Ghost
    
    Another big leaky pipe for Wellington?
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:18am
- bjools
  
  When they started the “new” entrance to the Terrace tunnel. I thought they were going to do a “cut and cover” all the way to the Basin Reserve, with the cross street linked with bridges.
  1. Taking out all those traffic lights
  2. Speeding up the traffic through and around Wellington.
  3. Leaving the “land” above the road to be sold to recoup costs.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:16am
  - PurplePen
    
    They were. Then the green and nimbies kicked up such a fuss it delayed anything starting for ages and the cost went up so we got the crappy solution that we now have with lots of traffic lights and no parks. Selfish idiots.
    
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    April 15, 2024 3:30pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not to mention lots of tail pipe fumes caused by traffic queues. Own goal by the Greens.
      
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      April 15, 2024 8:37pm
- MCōs
  
  It’ll never happen
  
  Be cheaper to redevelop the Kapiti Coast Airport which has an expressway right alongside
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:34am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That Airport is surrounded by housing. It is far more likely that Kapiti Airport will close down.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:48am
    - MCōs
      
      Wellington Airport is in a residential area too
      
      Paraparaumu is much closer to quite a few population centres than Rongotai
      
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      April 15, 2024 12:19pm
      - Paulus
        
        Who owns Paraparaumu Airport ?
        Yea !
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:17pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        You are missing the point. Wellington Airport does not have housing jammed up against both end of the runway.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:29pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      I have seen the Masterplan to turn Kapiti Airport into 3955 houses.
      Looks good.
      
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      April 15, 2024 2:06pm
      - Anthony Melchett
        
        Because that’s just what the district needs. Not.
        
        Let me guess, you think they should be built be Kainga ora and let lazy drug addled losers live somewhere nice?
        
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        April 15, 2024 6:07pm
- PaulP
  
  Just move the basin reserve. They moved Athletic Park.
  
  Put a new basin reserve on the waterfront opposite the stadium where the land is crap to build on.
  
  A 10-15k seater for test cricket, Phoenix football and Lions.
  
  That’s save a few billion not needing to tunnel.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:43am
  - Colville
    
    and next earthquake it will be rooted..just like the brand new BNZ building built on the waterfront. Didnt last 5 years.
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:01pm
  - peterwn
    
    Athletic Park was private property. The Basin Reserve and the strip between Cambridge and Kent Terraces down to the sea have always been public property (incidentally the 1855 earthquake put paid to the plans for the proposed canal and shipping basin).
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:39pm
  - PurplePen
    
    Agree, move the Basin. Wimbledon was hallowed ground but they managed to move that and now have a facility better than it was.
    
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    April 15, 2024 3:32pm
    - peterwn
      
      Wimbledon tennis courts were relocated in 1922 (presumably there was undeveloped land in Wimbledon then) and the hallowed Centre Court dates from then. Wimbledon Football Club moved from Wimbledon to Milton Keynes (87 km away) in 2003. Not sure if there was anything hallowed about the former football ground in Wimbledon which was developed for housing.
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:23pm
- cmm
  
  This would hopefully knock 15 minutes off the travel time?
  
  I think I have a far simpler, and better option: fire more government workers in Wellington. That would ease traffic congestion and give you the 15 minute improvement without even having to go through the risks of building an underwater tunnel in an earthquake zone.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:54am
  - peterwn
    
    And direct Cabinet Ministers and public servants to use the airport bus.
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:40pm
    - Colville
      
      You really want a Minister (at least $500/hr) sitting on a bus and carrying their luggage thru town?
      
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      April 15, 2024 1:09pm
      - Keith White
        
        Given the damage they do and the tax-money they waste when they’re at their desks, I’d prefer the majority of them to be on Circle Line 24/7.
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:30pm
- Bloody Dago
  
  They should investigate this first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_tunnel_system
  
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  April 15, 2024 11:15am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  If this tunnel ever happens, I will dig a tunnel from Wellington to Auckland with my bare hands. This is day dreaming by the boy.
  
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  April 15, 2024 11:35am
  - Mike
    
    It will happen. The only question is whether it will be built befoŕe or after the Cook Strait tunnel.
    
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    April 15, 2024 4:02pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  As a Wellingtonian… Just no.
  
  Basin flyover to allow N/S traffic to flow…. 2nd Mt Vic tunnel and double lane to Evans Bay…. Then its just the stupidity of the Terrace tunnel needing to be addressed to make 2 lanes each way…
  
  Once that is done things will be much improved fir the Eastern Suburbs plus access to the Airport
  
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  April 15, 2024 1:40pm
  - PurplePen
    
    Another option and cheaper is move the airport to Belmont park. Compare, Wellington airport is 6M passengers. Denver, 64M passengers a year and cost $7.4B. Then you probably don’t need to spend as much on route improvements from the Terrace tunnel to the Miramar peninsula.
    
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    April 15, 2024 3:35pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Where on earth is Belmont Park?
    
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    April 15, 2024 8:38pm
    - Mike
      
      Between Lower Hutt and Porirua.
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:01pm
- Sacha
  
  If you want tunnels have a look at this!
  A very impressive story of how a very small group of isolated islands improved their transport problems.
  We should be so lucky.
  https://guidetofaroeislands.fo/history-culture/eysturoyartunnilin-worlds-first-unders-sea-roundabout/
  
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  April 16, 2024 10:53am
Scott

Last night I watched the current affairs programme “Sunday” on TV1. It presented a totally one sided view of the situation in Gaza. The problem according to the programme, is Netanyahu and his radical colleagues in cabinet. Also they said, “Gaza is an open air prison camp.” Also the solution is a two state solution. Also the Israelis are likely commiting genocide in Gaza. Also the Americans are wrong in supporting Israel.

There were a few minutes about the massacre on October 7th at the beginning of the programme. But nothing about Hamas wants to destroy Israel. Nothing about the fact that Hamas doesn’t want a two state solution, that was not mentioned. Nothing about the radicalisation of the population of Gaza. Nothing about the humanitarian aid that went to Gaza which was used by Hamas to make military tunnels. Nothing about the fate of the Israeli hostages.

No, the problem according to “Sunday” is the Israelis and their leadership and if they only treated the Palestinians better and instituted a two state solution all would be well.

At the end of the programme, the host, Miryam Kamo announced it had been a hard week for them and thanked everyone for their support and the show will end in May.
Given the lack of balance and the blatantly one sided reporting the end of the show can’t come soon enough.
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April 15, 2024 8:01am
- gravedodger
  
  Never mind Scott, your selfless action did inflate the numbers and your report did inform those who decline to spend that time in sacrifice.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What did you expect from blatantly left wing TV1?
  More lies by omission.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:41am
- kowtow
  
  Robert Patman ( Otago uni “expert” ) on Plunkett Platform this am re the massive drone/missile attack by Iran on Israel.
  
  He said had to be put in the “context” of Israel attck on “diplomatic” Iranian base in Syria ,see where this is going , was against int’l law etc .
  
  Oh yes , Mr “Expert” , where’s the “context” of the Iranian backing of the attempted genocide on Oct 7 by the Iranian proxies , Hamas . The “context” of the Iranian proxies Hezbollah continuing rocket attacks on Israel etc
  
  And yes this is why there’s no trust in legacy “experts” and as you point out legacy media .
  
  They’re biased and as such untrustworthy.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:41am
  - Philview
    
    Prof. Patman always seems to be lacking any context. He has said things like Trump won the election because of Russian interference. Now discredited anyway but it cannot be proven that Trump winning an election was caused by Russian interference. Prof. Patman seems to have an ideological leaning.
    
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    April 15, 2024 11:08am
    - jkt
      
      One could argue that it was an error of arithmetic.
      But in the American system more votes does not necessarily mean a win.
      
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      April 15, 2024 4:31pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    I agree that Robert Patman has some interesting views on conflict. History usually proves him wrong.
    However
    In this case I agree with him.
    
    Kiwtow You conflate 2 things.
    
    Israel’s attack on Iran’s sovereign territory (ie Embassies are countries territory. Think of The Ecuadorian embassy in London and Britain’s inability to enter arrest Assange.
    
    Iranian support for an independent political/military organisation is not guilty of the Oct 7th invasion.
    
    If you think Iran is guilty of the Oct 7th invasion. Then logically you must condemn the USA for killing Palestinians. ie they provide Support to an Independent Israel.
    
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    April 15, 2024 11:40pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  I wouldn’t have known Scott unless you brought it to my attention lol. They really don’t see themselves as partisan they see themselves as crusaders informing a public hypnotised by far right white supremacy and in need of liberation from evil capitalism. Can’t wait to see them on the dole where they belong.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:06am
- Jethrod
  
  Did they say there is a Givealittle page set up?
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:25am
- herb1
  
  It’s widely known , except perhaps by Mr Patman , that Zahedi, the IRGC Commander who was one of the those killed, was the mastermind behind the OCT 7 murders and rapes.
  He and those with him were legitimate targets of the war Iran started with their proxies , Hamas.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:32am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  The programme and its makers will not be missed after it ends.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:53am
  - MCōs
    
    Places like Gloriavale and Dilworth certainly won’t miss the scrutiny that Sunday has subjected them to over the years
    With regards to Israel/Gaza/Iran and all the other countries in the ME
    I’ve never yet seen anything on the subject that plenty of people haven’t been cynical about
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:36pm
Anthony Melchett

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/hamilton-man-rips-partner-s-mouth-open-breaks-jaw-in-haunting-night-of-violence/

New Zealand. Where domestic violence against women by Maori men is so normalized that instead of putting known pieces of shit like this in jail to protect victims, we give the woman a “domestic violence button” so she can get help efficiently after she has been bashed. Assuming she is still conscious of course.

It’s also pleasing to see that the offenders race has been fairly considered with a section 27 report and that his sentence was heavily discounted from 8 years to 4, with him being eligible for parole this year, only 18 months after the attack. Because you know, he’s genuinely remorseful this time.

Why don’t they look at his previous criminal history and see that he has already done jail time for smashing and strangling his partner. You can’t change them, especially when they are basically let off and the actions blamed on others.

Nz judges, you are an absolute disgrace.
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April 15, 2024 8:02am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  The fact that Hamas is opposed to the two-state solution is the main reason why Netanyahu has consistently helped Hamas against the PLO.
  It was an Australian piece, BTW.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What has that got to do with Willian Whata?
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Just looks like his violence against his partner is getting worse with each episode.
  
  Here’s his 2013 sentencing
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/jail-term-for-trying-to-strangle-partner/KVHOOJHFGTE27OCOUBXW3OPFUM/
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How many times has he done this and not been reported?
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:54am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    “‘He’s genuinely remorseful’
    Crown solicitor James Lewis pushed for a 50 per cent minimum term of imprisonment given the seriousness and prolonged nature of the assault”
    
    The judges and defense lawyers should be made to sign up as to a bond ensuring his good behavior, if they believe it.
    Next time he goes to prison for strangling his partner, they get to go with him inside.
    
    Sounds like this guy will be in court for killing his partner next time, if the habit of choking them into unconsciousness is recognised.
    Unbelievable really, the system and the females around this animal give him so many chances.
    
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    April 15, 2024 3:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She should have activated the panic button the moment Whata appeared on the property.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:51am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    Why is there even a panic button?
    
    We know he is coming for you, but because we care more about your attackers feelings and skin colour, here’s a button to push after he breaks your jaw.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:08am
    - wsk12345
      
      My neighbour had two gang member sons who kept showing up despite a trespass order. She had a panic button to get police there should they turn up again.
      
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      April 15, 2024 12:29pm
      - Colville
        
        Four buttons to open her gunsafe would be more reassuring IMHO.
        
        “oh did I put that 12G away loaded…?” woops! 🙂
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Colville,
        In Alaska the gun is loaded with a round chambered and safety on.
        If not, it is like trying to put your seatbelt on when you know you are going to crash.
        
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        April 15, 2024 3:41pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Colville, if only. Some folk need to be put down. I like how in some states in American they take a gentle view of people who use lethal force against those that force themselves into another’s home.
        
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        April 15, 2024 3:43pm
- Flossie
  
  The perpetrators of DV are always Genuinely Sorry and promise they’ll never do it again.
  I know from my own awful experience that they will.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:09am
- NoFax
  
  I suggest a Glock 19 would be a better option for this woman than a button to never never land.
  
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  April 15, 2024 11:51am
- NZer In Exile
  
  So if this is how the super dooper special and prioritised citizens (according to lefty ideology) are treated by the system, heaven help everybody else!
  
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  April 15, 2024 12:11pm
- BananaLlama
  
  The entire justice system is bent seen it firsthand too many times.
  and honestly, the crown isn’t there to help you if you are a victim they will provide more assistance to the criminal and don’t really care if you become a victim again. It’s like you are an annoyance to them that gets in the way of their rehabilitation programs they just want you to go away so they can make their rulings and let these monkeys out early to bash another victim so they can make another ruling and let them off again.
  
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  April 15, 2024 1:48pm
- JerJer
  
  Damn colonialism has a lot to answer for. This guy really needs a a free house and a number of sessions (tax payer funded of course), we he can explain how he is the victim in all of this, and it’s actually his parents fault and he should go free now. /sarc
  
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  April 15, 2024 4:48pm
BarryB

I watched the interview on Q&A yesterday with the new chair of Ngapuhi (or Nga Puhi).
Its a pity Q&A don’t more of these longer form interviews (rather than the usual short form which
seems based on ‘Gotcha’ questions) and this one did draw out some of the deep thoughts of the
Ngapuhi guy.
My over-all thought was that Ngapuhi think they are entitled to more respect – because the treaty was set up in their area, and they are the biggest tribe (I think).
However two historical comments from others kept re-occurring in my mind.
One was Chris Findlayson who concluded that – after failing to make any progress with Ngapuhi and a treaty settlement – said that they (Ngapuhi) should be treated with ‘Benign neglact’. He obviously felt that Ngapuhi were pretty much incapable of logical thinking.
The other was from a lawyer whose father was an officer in the 28th Maori Battalion. He went with his father to a reunion. There he learned that within the battalion Ngapuhi (A Company), were regarded as nothing but trouble makers who
thought they were a step above all the others.

The new Chairman certainly came across as thoughtful and considered – but I couldnt help but think that one can be thoughtful and considerate while making use of a treaty payout. I doubt that his efforts will make any difference to the
divisions with the overall Ngapuhi group of subtribes.
The Maori economy is growing by the day. Treaty settlements and the result thereof are (currently ) tax free and its estimated that some $billions of tax are not being contributed to the countries Government because of this state of affairs.
It cant continue – and Ngapuhi will possibly miss out on the growth that this tax free status offers – which the other tribes have benefited from.
At the end of the interview I came to the conclusion that Ngapuhi is a tribe that meets the ‘Special Needs’ definition.
They think they are Special, but their actions indicate that they fit into the category of ‘Special Needs’.
The phrase ‘Special Needs’ is the politically correct way of saying ‘Handicapped’ – which can be physical or mental.
I have no doubt that the people of Ngapuhi are both financially and emotionally handicapped by the retarded way the tribal leadership is behaving.
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April 15, 2024 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  Chris ( they’re all Rednecks) Findlayson is a huge part of the problem , along with the other enablers in National .
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-coastal-court-action-flies-under-the-radar
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:46am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Not sure why he doesn’t just cut out the middleman and join TPM.
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:13pm
kiwikidsnz

“The government is asking Waka Kotahi (NZ Transport Agency) to investigate a Long Tunnel option for Stage Highway 1 in Wellington.

The twin two-lane 4km tunnels would run from north of the Terrace to Wellington Road near the suburb of Kilbirnie”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/514270/government-investigates-4km-tunnel-under-wellington
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April 15, 2024 8:07am
- julesnzuk
  
  I thought it was just called the NZ Transport Agency now?
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:45am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, and the agency change it their selves, no dictatorship needed
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:31am
    - julesnzuk
      
      It’s nothing to do with dictatorship, these people are servants of elected representatives and are obligated to do what they’re told by those elected representatives.
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:54pm
  - Paulus
    
    They will retain the Maori name part like all the other Departments, knowing full well it will piss off the the elected Government, which they did not elect.
    Do not believe they will do as told – they will not.
    
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    April 15, 2024 1:23pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      Shows how spineless the respective ministers are, in that case.
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:53pm
- surfing
  
  I laugh when people talk about kiwi’s and number 8 ingenuity. You can find isolated examples of this.
  
  But, NZ is a nation of tragics when it comes to delivering large infrastructure at a reasonable cost.
  
  Tunnels are a great example, compare the price of tunnels in europe vs NZ. We can build them, but at such tremendous cost we can’t built many.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:46am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Most that cost is fighting consenting laws, the cost is huge before you turn the first sod, that’s why Bishop and Jones are on the right track
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:33am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, I think the No.8 wire ingenuity left the room with the Lange Labour govt. when everyone became entitled to some form of benefit.
    There are still isolated instances, but quite rare nowadays.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:52am
  - Jack5
    
    Was performance better under the old Ministry of Works? Were they incompetent, too, in costs of big projects?
    
    Politicians of the day flogged off one good part of that much maligned bureaucracy, and my understanding is that it became an international engineering agency owned by an Asian country’s sovereign fund.
    
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    April 15, 2024 1:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Does Wellington want it this century?
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No such place as Waka Kotahi any more, more media bullshittery
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:30am
mikenmildagain

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Happy World Art Day!
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April 15, 2024 8:08am
Maggie Pie

Bondi Junction killer Joel Cauchi targeted women.

Has now been revealed…. he was a Gay Prostitute 🙁

https://mol.im/a/13306051
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April 15, 2024 8:08am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I believe he was bi.
  
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  April 15, 2024 8:14am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well that’s even worser!
    
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    April 15, 2024 8:16am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      How does his sexuality have any bearing on the horror of the crime? I am unaware of any evidence that bisexual folk are inherently more likely to commit mass murder.
      
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      April 15, 2024 8:48am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Did you ever hear of Jeffery Dahmer?
        
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        April 15, 2024 9:42am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Dahmer was just a common, garden variety homosexual, I think…
        
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        April 15, 2024 9:52am
      - Paulus
        
        It is the mentality of his life which leads to the situation he created.
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:22am
      - Scott
        
        “How did his sexuality have any bearing on the horror of his crime? ”
        
        Well sometimes sexuality can be a factor in crime. For example –
        “The Colorado Springs shooter identified as non binary.
        
        The Denver shooter identified as trans.
        
        The Aberdeen shooter identified as trans.
        
        The Nashville shooter identified as trans.
        
        One thing is VERY clear: the modern trans movement is radicalizing activists into terrorists.”
        Benny Johnson on X
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:52am
- KH
  
  No no no. Yesterday Kiwiblog commentators had him identified as a Moslem terrorist. Absolutely certain of it.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:02am
  - Kiwiguy
    
    I have to say, although I am a big KB supporter, I was disappointed by this too. A strong automatic presumption towards an act of Islamic terror, when the full story hadn’t emerged yet. Some of the comments were juvenile and immature and not befitting a mature group of intelligent adults, IMHO.
    I trust some are feeling somewhat penitent after it has been confirmed that the perpetrator had serious mental health issues. He could have been from any one of our families.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:48am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I say ‘Mental Health’ is an easy escape to gather sympathy.
      He may be a terrorist. Was he on a watch list?
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:12am
      - Ghost
        
        No one is after sympathy. The guy had mental health issues and had been involved with the police over the last five years because of that. To say it is an escape is bullshit. The problem is we have people who should not be freely wondering around society because of their issues. We have to address that.
        
        Don’t play the terrorist card, don’t be like that idiot yesterday who completely ignored everything the police were saying to try push his agenda of what he wanted it to be
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:18am
      - Paulus
        
        All Terrorists have Mental Health.
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:23am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He was known well too police apparently, which made things very restored when police said they never knew who he was
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:37am
      - KH
        
        There are very few people with “real mental illness”. And infrequently among those is there violence.
        But you could say there is lots of mental illness if among offenders you include overblown entitlement, anger issues, rage about nothing much, etc etc.
        Like Golriz, stressed and does stupid things, including theft. You could call it mental health, but wrongly in my view.
        But yes, stressed, stupid and entitled. Still criminal as anything else.
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:46am
      - Bevan
        
        He was known well too police apparently, which made things very restored when police said they never knew who he was
        
        Well known to the QLD Police, not NSW Police.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:42am
      - Bevan
        
        I say ‘Mental Health’ is an easy escape to gather sympathy.
        He may be a terrorist. Was he on a watch list?
        
        Not sure why you are suggesting mental health is used for sympathy. All reporting in Australia refers to him as a ‘butcher’ or a ‘murderer’ – there is no compassion shown for him at all. Even his parents have come out and said they support the Police women’s actions with shooting him.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:45am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        According to reports in the Aus Herald Sun, a previous girlfriend said when she was with him he was completely lovely and acted completely normally. The same article also stated he had mental health issues since he was 17 (to what degree at that age I’m not sure), but somewhere along the line he was reportedly diagnosed with Schizophrenia. I’m wondering if he was on and off (or just off) the medication for that.
        
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        April 15, 2024 12:17pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        “Mental health” in a criminal context means schizophrenia or some form of psychosis. A psychiatrist can presumably diagnose this (if he was still alive).
        
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        April 15, 2024 9:58pm
  - Gussy Fink-Nottle
    
    Touché!
    Our standard default is to assume we’re being lied to.
    Cynical, but (mostly) prescient.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      We had 6 years of the Podium of Truth.
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:09am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      GFN: “Our standard default is to assume we’re being lied to.”
      
      I wonder why!!!
      
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      April 15, 2024 12:18pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No, it was mentioned that media said don’t read too much into what religion he is, something that has been kept very silent
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:36am
Bridgenag

Transport Minister threatens Germans with an “indefinite weekend driving ban” to meet mandated emissions targets

“This is late-stage climatism and it will linger for a long time. There await years if not decades of haggling over the ambitious goals set by past governments, years of fig leafs and excuses, years of relaxing restrictions in elaborate ways so we can pretend we’re still doing something. It is going to be very tedious, but also, I suspect, occasionally entertaining.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/transport-minister-threatens-germans?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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April 15, 2024 8:16am
- Taieri
  
  Transport Minister threatens Germans with an “indefinite weekend driving ban” to meet mandated emissions targets
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  German transport minister is a Beacon of Hope to all personkind.
  Such a ban should be extended to every day of the week and also apply to trucks and other vehicles.
  It worked very well during lockdowns and would enable an instant transport emissions reduction to zero. Back in the day there’s no transport at all and the Planet wasn’t boiling and people were just as happy.
  
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  April 15, 2024 8:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Aren’t we glad we have no Ardern? She would have done that.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:13am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The “far right” party there (according to the rusted-on far left) will therefore gain more votes!
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:22pm
- jkt
  
  They did this for covid and nearly all of us played along, some are still sold on the idea!
  
  The nutters may well do exactly this to “manage” the existential threat to humanity. After all it would be the sane to do, right?
  
  Insane!
  
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  April 15, 2024 8:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Reading the article, it seems to be a joke. Stopping Germans driving at 300 kmh on the weekends would be like trying to take guns off Americans.
  
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  April 15, 2024 8:50am
- Paulus
  
  Remember here, Carless Days ~!
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:23am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I remember those days. I was a teen and was oblivious to the inconvenience it caused people.
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:23pm
  - MCōs
    
    Brought in by a former National Administration
    In 1979
    If nothing else there was a big drop in the road toll that year from 654 to 554
    Last year it was 341
    1979 Population 3.1mil
    Pretty rough on the roads back then, but some of us survived
    
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    April 15, 2024 12:58pm
  - gravedodger
    
    Sure do Paulus, had a Viva as a runabout and an XA Falcon for towing. Towed a Caravan from Rotorua with the XA largely on its carless day getting fuel including external tanks filled at Palmy from a farm tank.
    Left Rotorua 0800 hrs got to Waipara o400 next day.
    An early example of “Virtue Signalling from the Great socialist Muldoon.
    
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    April 15, 2024 2:15pm
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: “Not Friendly!”
Life’s a bitch

I particularly like the kid asking mother “Why do we have wars” and the answer is…….BECAUSE WE ARE RULED BY AN ELITE GROUP OF PSYCHOPATHS WHO OWN THE BANKS THAT CONTROL THE GOVERNMENTS AND MEDIA. THEY FUND BOTH SIDES OF WAR FOR PROFIT AND THEY MANUFACTURE THE CONSENT OF THE PUBLIC THROUGH
THE PROPAGANDA OF THE MEDIA.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-not-friendly?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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April 15, 2024 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some good stuff in there. Vid “Courtesy of the Red White and Blue” Toby Keith.
  
  War for profit: Henry Ford. Making motors for German tanks. Just business.
  
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  April 15, 2024 8:43am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    IBM machines helped the trains run on time.
    
    https://ibmandtheholocaust.com/about-ibm-and-holocaust
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:00am
    - cmm
      
      That’s the least of it.
      IBM tabulator machines were used to keep track of Jews to assist in their “management”.
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:28am
      - david
        
        Someone had better get a wriggle on to find whoever invented the pencil. Must be responsible for heaps of atrocities. Was it Antonio Faber or Claude Castell?
        
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        April 15, 2024 12:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Just board this train. Don’t worry, your luggage is going on another train.
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:17am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Through out the First World War Germany brought rubber off of the British who bought optical glass for gun sights off of the Germans via third parties in Switzerland. There is an ancient stone carving I remember seeing which depicts one man pulling a cow by its horns whilst another pulls it in the opposite direction by its tail a third is seated on a stool milking it. Nothing is new least of all the motives for war.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:14am
  - gravedodger
    
    Good old Henry had a certain view of Jews that seems to be emerging again, no surprises there.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:33am
  - cmm
    
    Nowhere is this more apparent than in the arms industry (shares of which are probably owned by almost every congressperson).
    
    Most USA armaments are woefully out of date and also massively over priced. They are often obsolete, or on the verge of obsolescence, and there are no business pressures to improve them.
    
    For example, look at the Javelin missile system. It is based on 1996 technology, sure with a few minor tweaks. It costs over USD200k a pop. That is ridiculous.
    Given the advances in electronics, it should be easy to build much better versions (smaller, lighter, use less power, more reliable, easier to use,…) for a small fraction of the price. $20k each should leave room for a healthy profit.
    
    But no, there is no incentive to change the current business model, so no incentive to produce better products either.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:49am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      The five permanent members of the UN Security Council are also the top five producers and sellers of arms to the world. Anybody else see a conflict of interest here?
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:14am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone watch the Sunday show about Israel? I was very disappointed in Miriam Kamo. She took the same position as António Guterres, Secretary-General of the UN that the atrocities did not happen in isolation.

Like most here on Kiwiblog I believe that nothing Israel has done in the West Bank and Gaza justifies the mass rapes, the killing of children in front of their parents and the taking of hostages including children and even a baby.
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April 15, 2024 8:19am
- emmess
  
  No, don’t watch that rubbish
  It is in its last days before being cancellation, and deservedly so.
  Ignore it.
  
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  April 15, 2024 8:28am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Emmess it’s why it’s in its last days but they can’t see it.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is a conflict that will not end in the foreseeable future.
  
  Winston’s call for a “two state solution” may be well intentioned, but it is hollow. Now if he announced a credible sounding plan for a two state solution, well that would be something. However he cannot because he has no idea.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/513790/winston-peters-says-gaza-a-wasteland-criticises-un-security-council-in-speech
  
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  April 15, 2024 8:39am
  - Spam
    
    Does anyone?
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:04am
  - RoboRob
    
    In defence of Winston, he is just echoing the same hollow calls of all the worlds western ‘leaders’. The other world leaders are calling for death to Israil and death to America.
    What the western leaders are really calling for is Israil to stop beating on Hamas and a return to the previous situation. They want this because the previous situation didn’t effect anyone outside of the middle east and this does.
    
    The situation people want to return to was a Palestinian state and an Israeli state (2 state?) where Hamas ran part of the Palestinian state. Occasionally the Palestinians would lob random missiles at Israel (not military targets). Every 2 years or so a massive strike would be launched from Palestine and the Israelis would retaliate. The Israelis would be criticised in the world media. The Palestinians would then rebuild over the next 2 years. Rinse and repeat.
    
    This is what a two state solution would look like under Hamas leadership. It is incredibly hard to negotiate a long lasting peaceful outcome when one side wants the total annihilation on the other side.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Is there a solution?
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:13am
    - rangitoto
      
      The return of the Shah.
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:39am
    - wairarapapaul
      
      Hamas release the hostages. Hamas soldiers identify themselves then get deported to Iran. Palestinians elect a government of Palestinians for Palestinians. That would be a start.
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:24am
      - All_on_Red
        
        It seems from the way Hamas are talking that the hostages are all dead
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:12pm
- jkt
  
  She is correct that this atrocity “did not happen in isolation”.
  
  However, there is no justification for what happened on that day. The response by the Israeli military is rightly used by the Israeli military as justification for their response. It makes the outcomes no less horrific.
  
  Bibi’s statement that the Israeli military will revenge the atrocity was a less thoughtful expression and probably tells us who he is and why many Israelis dislike him.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:02am
- thirteenstars
  
  You were disappointed?
  
  Kamo was the eager one who fronted the much-promoted TVNZ climate special in late 2022 and declared self-righteously that the debate was over, and that from then on it would be the policy of TVNZ to regard anthropogenic climate change as a fact.
  
  It came out quite some time later, that special, news stories on the network news and spots on breakfast TV, were part of what are known as “commercial integrations”, which means they were funded and produced in conjunction with parties who wished to promote a certain view yet the pieces were presented as legitimate news stories.
  
  They’re all activists.
  
  https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/labour-government-pays-tvnz-news-division-for-content
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:05am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks for that.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:22am
  - cas
    
    Haven’t heard from megan Woods in a while.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:49am
    - R
      
      Good isn’t it; so refreshing to have her silence!
      
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      April 15, 2024 11:06am
- KH
  
  And nothing justifies the crimes of either side. Mad murderers both.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:07am
- Che Guava
  
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  “…nothing Israel has done in the West Bank and Gaza justifies the mass rapes, the killing of children in front of their parents and the taking of hostages including children and even a baby.”
  
  It’s amazing how the pro-Zionists completely ignore the preceding 80 years and more when they assess Oct 7th.
  
  But they have to ignore it, otherwise, first, it becomes apparent that the Palestinian’s were acting as almost any other occupied and oppressed people would have done by striking at the people dominating and humiliating them for so long, and second, Israel’s vastly excessive actions in retaliation become unconscionable, at least to anyone capable of objective analysis or even the slightest amount of thought.
  
  I just can’t take the Israelis and their supporters seriously when they grossly misrepresent the situation, the historical context, and the Israelis’ key causal role in the events. They are deluding themselves and lying to everyone else.
  
  We don’t have to agree with Hamas’ incursion on Oct 7th to conclude that it, or something like it, was the inevitable result of decades of Israeli policy towards the Arabs.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:28am
  - cmm
    
    Che, if anything Israel had massively softened its stance over the last 10 years. You might be forgiven for thinking that this would lead to increased peace from the Gazans.
    
    And that is probably what kicked off October 7 – not increased tension, but increased peace.
    
    As a result of this increased peace, Hamas and the other Iranian lackeys, were quite likely losing support. Just as more and more Jews were looking for peace, quite likely more and more Gazans were too.
    
    Indeed, thousands of Gazans were travelling daily to work in Israel. Those sorts of interactions build bridges and bonds – not hatred.
    
    This would have been an existential threat for Hamas etc. They knew the only way to retain their relevance was through conflict.
    
    Who has the most to gain out of what is happening? Not Israel. Not day to day Gazans, but the Hamas elite and their ilk (and the military industrial complex, but that’s another story).
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:59am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Reason won’t work.
      
      Jew-haters don’t want peace between Jews and others. Why? Because–wait for it–they’re Jew-haters.
      
      They don’t care about the Palestinians who are simply used as tools towards the goal of ending the Jews.
      
      They are threatened by the agreements reached between Israel and many of its neighbours, the forestalling of the Saudi accords being the actual target of the Oct 7 attacks. But that will eventually happen because the Arabs know that 75 years of conflict is enough. Israel isn’t going away and they know it.
      
      It’s only religious fanatics, both Islamic and otherwise who want to bring about their particular version of Armageddon.
      
      It’s psycho-emotional, not rational. You don’t reason with a rabid dog, do you?
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:41am
      - Jake Dee
        
        The problem with calling your opponents “mad dogs” or similar metaphors is that it’s just seeking an alibi or excuse, not seeking a solution. It’s done by people who can’t solve the problem so just seek a way to explain away the problem so doesn’t get pinned onto them.
        But examine the situation just a little more closely and you can see this “mad dog” description just doesn’t make any sense.
        Mad dogs maybe scary, but they are no real threat, they can’t be, they’re mad and don’t understand how reality works.
        What have we actually seen in the last 48 hours?
        Guy stabs a bunch of people in a shopping mall and kills maybe 6 including women and children before being shot dead by the Police.
        That’s a mad dog, and he is never going to win.
        A boxer will always beat a brawler and a trained officer will always beat a maniac, and for many, many different reasons. Gun vs. Knife is only one of them, (how did the officer get the gun + ammo + training + back up and logistic support etc.?)
        What else did we see in the last 48 hours?
        Iran launched a complex multi-vector attack against Israel using drones, cruise and ballistic missiles from distances over 1000km. We don’t know the exact results but at least 7 hits on an air force base are being reported by Western media.
        That’s NOT mad dog.
        That shows a deep understanding of how reality works. Trying to explain it away as just irrational madness makes finding a real solution to the problem impossible. Some people would sooner die than admit their judgements were wrong, better to blame your failings onto someone else.
        And that IS crazy.
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:55pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “That’s NOT mad dog.”
        
        You seem to think I was referring to Iran. I wasn’t. Perhaps read the comment I was replying to again.
        
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        April 15, 2024 4:47pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Israel was created by the UN after millions of Jews were killed in Europe.
    
    No country existed in the area at the time… It was a region administrated by Britian as war spoils after WWOne…
    
    Areas were allocated to Arab and Jew 1948… And as soon as the new countries were created, theArabs attacked seeking to wipe out the new country of Israel….
    
    Setting a cycle of Arab aggression lasting decades and including disgusting attacks like that at Munich in 1972
    
    Are the Israelis perfect? No. Have they committed aggressions and atrocities? Yes.
    
    However they are fighting for survival and they are a legitimate country.
    
    Your unrelenting posts are one sided, ignore any and all Arab provocation and carry the stench of anti semitism ( Though I note you have toned down your more extreme crap)
    
    Israel withdrew from Gaza in the mid 2000s… Ever since they have offered opportunity for peaceful cooperation … Only to be repaid with rocket attacks, guest workers going on stabbing atacks and the latest horror on 7 Oct 2023.
    
    Gazans are now reaping the whirlwind their leaders have sown.. Those Gazans support Hamas even though Hamas sees them as meat sacks to be used as shields. You get what you deserve when you support and promote sadistic killers
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:07am
    - Che Guava
      
      “No country existed in the area at the time… It was a region administrated by Britian as war spoils after WWOne…”
      
      So what? There were millions of Arabs already living there (“country” or no country) when the UN (who most of you repudiate when they do or say things you don’t like) decided to give Jews someone else’s land. Chaos ensued, which anyone with a functioning brain could have foreseen.
      
      Saying that “Jews have a right to the land” or “the UN gave it to them” are just abstract ideas. What matters in concreto is that in order for Israel to come into being in a practical sense, millions of Arabs would have to be made to get very upset, displaced or killed to do it.
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:34am
      - Don Beckett
        
        There were similar actions with the partition of India in 1948 – 9. Similar event, initially similar reaction, but now scaled down but still simmering. This was the beginning of Pakistan and Bangladesh. Similar because the Muslims were given their own land apart from the other religions. Wonder why?
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:09am
      - Local Miller
        
        While there were Arabs living the the area, there were also Jews. The estimate is in the 500,000 range. AT NO TIME in the past 3000 odd years has the are been completely empty of Jews, and the Arabs living there moved into the area in recent history only, i.e. in the past past 1000 odd years. To claim that the land belongs to the Arabs is to ignore 3000 odd years of history, and particularly to ignore the history of the middle east since before the rise of Rome. Israel was a nation when Rome invaded and renamed it Palestine (Palaestina actually), which relates to the area on the Mediterranean Sea that had historically been inhabited by the “Philistines”. The modern day “Palestinians” have nothing to do with the ancient Philistines however, but are historically speaking new comers in the area.
        In the ~1900 between the Jewish diaspora and the land being GIVEN BACK TO THE Jews, there was no state in the area, and people who called themselves a nation or referred to themselves as “Palestinians”.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:20am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Go talking to ethnic Germans and Poles displaced post WWII….
        
        The late forties reulted in a number border changes and populations displacements
        
        You are basically saying Israel shouldnt exist… Way to late. It does and its current territory is legitmately held in vast areas
        
        They are going no where… No terror or military threat will shift them.
        
        I know you hate Jews. Your body of poats here on Kiwiblog stand to testament of the fact. Unfortunately for you the Israel Jews will not lie down and be slaughtered…
        
        Repent Che… And ask for forgiveness, so the evil lurking in your soul can be expelled. Because anti semitism is Evil
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:42am
      - david
        
        Maybe I’m wrong so please correct me if I am but aren’t the two sides defined as Jews and Muslims?AFIK there are many Arab who are Jews but no Muslims who are Jews and no Jews who are Muslim.
        In the words of the GWP (Great Winston Peters) “Words matter”
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:13pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Che, you are quite wrong again. There were not “millions” of Arabs living in the Mandate. There were less than 800,000 people there in the 1922 census. And that included everyone. In actual fact, there were only 590,000 Muslims in the Mandate. secondly, the Jews were not given someone elses land. The Jews were allowed to form a Country State. A Country State where no other Country State existed. There were NO palestinian people in the area at the end of WW1. There were only Ottoman subjects. The area was split into 3 districts, Acre, Nablus and Jerusalem. The first two were linked to the province of Beirut, and the autonomous district of Jerusalem dealt directly with Istanbul.
        
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        April 15, 2024 3:35pm
      - jkt
        
        UN then ….
        UN now ….
        Surely, even you will acknowledge that UN then is very different from UN now.
        
        I guess not! It does not fit your rhetoric.
        
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        April 15, 2024 5:03pm
      - jkt
        
        Tracking the Jew and non-Jew population of Palestine makes for very interesting reading!
        
        Those who think counting only started in 1917 …. or 1948 ….. will do well to check the real history.
        
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        April 15, 2024 5:14pm
  - RoboRob
    
    I like how the Jew haters alway point out that there is a history in this issue and we must look back to prior years. Thats very true but what they do is pretend that prior to October 7th only the Jews did bad things and that the Palestinians are the good guys.
    
    Both sides have done bad shit over the years. The situation isn’t good.
    
    However in the last 20 years the Isrealis have totally moved out of the west bank and given Palestinians total control. They have only responded to aggression from Hamas, never instigated. They have offered a number of treaties and settlements that have all been declined. The same is true during this conflict. Isreal has offered numerous ceasefires (in return for the freeing of hostages). Hamas always declines. It seems like only one side here is interested in a peaceful solution.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:10am
    - Che Guava
      
      “I like how the Jew haters…” Boring. So boring and so predictable. This is the point when I stop reading because it shows you aren’t making any rational points, just getting emotional.
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:29am
      - Lance
        
        Extreme irony alert
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:29am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        But you are a Jew hater. As you state, all of your arguments are entirely emotional and without any rationality which is why no one takes you seriously.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:47am
      - Che Guava
        
        Lance
        I may be “predictable” on this point (unswervingly consistent, I would say), but, whether you agree with my conclusions or not, all of my arguments are cogent, internally consistent, and rely on facts and plausible inferences therefrom.
        
        More often that not, I cannot say the same about my interlocuters, who descend into childish name-calling very quickly, if not immediately.
        
        The “problem,” such as it is, is that my conclusions challenge many peoples’ deep seated prejudices and assumptions about how the world works.
        
        Calling me a “Jew-hater” is an ad hominem par excellence (if I may combine the Latin with the French), and isn’t a substitute for a rebuttal.
        
        Ultimately, I only care about the Jews and Israel to the extent that they are such key elements in the contemporary, and in fact the historical, political and social realms, and therefore to misunderstand either of these key parts leads to misunderstanding the whole.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:49am
      - RoboRob
        
        Hey Che. I only started my post that way becuase you wrote ‘It’s amazing how the pro-Zionists’. But none the less good way to avoid dealing with my actual arguement.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:54am
      - Che Guava
        
        “But you are a Jew hater. As you state, all of your arguments are entirely emotional and without any rationality which is why no one takes you seriously.”
        
        Show me any evidence of anything that I have said showing that I “hate” Jews in themselves, i.e. simply for being Jewish.
        
        I am certainly very critical of Israel and elite Jewish influence in society and politics, but that doesn’t mean I hate Jews. That’s about the activities of people, not about the people themselves. It’s a false equivalence, but cynically crying “hate” is what people who gave no good arguments do.
        
        By your own standards of what apparently constitutes “hate,” a lot of KBers who are continually critical of Labour and the Greens and their influence on society and politics must hate Labour and Green politicians.
        
        In my case as well as theirs, its not about who the target of the criticism is, it’s about what they say and do. Very different things.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:07pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      Why do you say that Israel has only ever responded to and never instigated violence?
      Try not to make it about specific instances because if you say Israel has NEVER done that, then you will have to know EVERYTHING that Israel has EVER done. Just not possible.
      Try to tell me the general rule you use when, in a cycle of retaliation and counter retaliation, vendettas, blood feuds and tribal warfare that has been going on for generations, you can say that THAT act was a justified retaliation, but THIS act was unprovoked aggression?
      That is if you do have a rule.
      Maybe it’s just determined by tribal politics. THIS tribe is my tribe, what they do is right. THAT tribe is not my tribe, what they do is wrong.
      But if you do have a rule then you should be able to clearly articulate it.
      
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      April 15, 2024 3:11pm
  - mogg
    
    Take your blinkers off and read this;
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13307687/ANDREW-NEIL-Israel-appalling-attack.html
    At the moment your comments are going around in ever decreasing circles until you disappear up your own ass.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:19am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Sorry Che, did my pointing out your irrational Jew hatred on Friday trigger you to replace “Jews” in your posts with “Zionists” and “Israelis”?
    
    Palestinians terrorists have constantly tried to murder Israelis for decades and your “provocation” is simply Israel not letting them do it.
    
    Your argument amounts to “if the Jews just let the Palestinians murder them then the Palestinians wouldn’t need to rape and murder them”.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:57am
    - Che Guava
      
      “…did my pointing out your irrational Jew hatred on Friday trigger you to replace “Jews” in your posts with “Zionists” and “Israelis”?”
      
      No. Why would I adjust my approach because of something you said?
      
      My “hatred” of Jews is not hatred, and my “irrational” way of reaching my conclusions is not irrational.
      
      What I engage in is rational critique based on the evidence of my senses. It’s not my problem if people choose to be offended.
      
      A regular commenter on KB commented the other day that they would “like to see Gaza and Gazans wiped off the map.” That’s irrational hatred, not what I engage in.
      
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      April 15, 2024 11:51am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Because you have in the past said that you aren’t anti-Jew, just anti-Zionist but in the last few weeks you’ve been making wide ranging bigoted statements about Jews. Today, you are back to Israel and Zionists.
        
        Wiping Gaza off the map is irrational hatred, you are right. But so is saying stuff like “the Jews just pretend to be victims so they can control everyone” and other lies you keep spreading.
        
        I know you think your positions are rational but they’re not. They are entirely based on bigotry and hatred of a people that have never done you any harm.
        
        Also, if you had your way, Israel would cease to exist so there’s more on the line than just offense.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:04pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Don’t be too disappointed Chuck. Miriam will not have done any homework at all, and will just be following the current narrative. For instance, she will never have heard of Haj Amin al-Husseini, who was former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and Muslim leader in Mandatory Palestine (even though he was exiled for his part in the 1936-39 Arab revolt). al Husseini met with Hitler in 1941. During that meeting, Husseini told Hitler that the entire Arab world admired him and that they believed Germany would win. Husseini volunteered to raise troops (including for service in the Waffen SS) from Arab nations, claiming that they had mutual enemies in England, the Jews and communists. He asked Hitler for assistance in preventing a Jewish homeland and the implementation of the “Final Solution”. Hitler responded that the German “goal at that time would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power”.
  The other error people make is believing that the conflict is being driven by land. It’s not. It is a religious conflict. Like it has been since Islam became a religion in roughly 610AD (that’s long after Jews were settled in the Kingdom of Israel).
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:30am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    He was elated to Yasser Arafat.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:48am
  - leoj
    
    Amen.
    
    The pro Hamas morons have yet to figure out that they are on the same side as the most hated person in all of history – Adolf Hitler.
    
    And most are moronic, brainless lefties.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:54am
    - MCōs
      
      I doubt if he’s the most hated person ever.
      European history is naturally very important to us, but even now my wife knows the name and little else. She knows nothing of the holocaust, but then Thailand wasn’t involved in the European theatre of WWII
      Anyway universally loathed in India or China would probably pip Hitler
      
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      April 15, 2024 2:31pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        That’s a good point and worth considering.
        Adolph Hitler has a weird place in history that far outstrips his actual deeds.
        Compare his reputation to Alexander, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte or Shaka Zulu and the strangeness of it all becomes much clearer.
        All those other warlords were, for their time and place enormously bloodstained and yet are all great heroes in their homelands.
        Alexander put whole cities to the sword, burned down great palaces whilst drunk and murdered his old buddies, yet he is still widely called “The Great”.
        An Lushan killed maybe 9 million and Hong Xuqian maybe 20 million and nobody gives a damn about either of them outside of China.
        But Adolph Hitler is the immoral ghost and devil that haunts the Western psyche. That’s not a rational calculation, it’s a pathological neurosis.
        leoj saying that Hitler is the most hated person in history is just saying that Hitler is the person he hates (and fears) most intensely, it’s not rational it’s just emotional.
        In Vino Veritas pointing out that The Grand Mufti and Hitler tried to stich up a deal in 1941 is also motivated by magical thinking.
        If you follow a man who followed a man who followed a man who followed a man who tried to make a deal with that supernatural devil called Adolph Hitler, then you yourself have been contaminated by the transitive power of evil.
        All magical and neurotic thinking. The type of thinking that makes finding real solutions almost impossible.
        
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        April 15, 2024 3:45pm
- Bloody Dago
  
  CB – Sunday has always been about Miriam and her facial expressions and swirly hands and nothing else, “it’s about me” look at me.. look at me… It’s unwatchable beaten up molehills.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:47am
- Ra Henare
  
  Sorry, I think you assume an authority that may not exist.
  
  Most on Kiwiblog!!! Nothing Israel has done….etc etc
  
  Maybe Miriam Kamo(front person representing TVNZ) and the UN Secretary General have a wider view of the political situation in the middle east than you do??
  
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  April 16, 2024 1:06am
softail 1450

Memo to all the leftist female “journalists” who fear being made redundant over the next year ( although for some it may be already to late ) follow the inspirational lead by that Labour Party shill on TV ones breakfast program and get yourself a Moko kauae ,you will magically have your name dropped at least 200 points from the “will lose job” list, I’m not sure it will look good on the likes of Tova, Jenna or Mellisa Chan but it’s worth a try as the chances of scoring a job in that industry once your arse is out the door from N/H are probably around zero.
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April 15, 2024 8:32am
- wsk12345
  
  Doesn’t look good on anyone.
  
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  April 15, 2024 12:36pm
Maggie Pie

Where were his parents?

‘Rotorua teen takes Police Officer hostage then beats him to a pulp before fleeing
and hiding up a tree’

– Newshub

https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1779343715435454893
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April 15, 2024 8:36am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Where were his parents?”
  
  Taking Methamphetamine, robbing liquor stores, raping, bashing, following in a getaway car? Who knows.
  
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  April 15, 2024 8:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Never thort of that.
    Here’s me thinking they might have already been in the tree.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:01am
    - jkt
      
      Ha, ha, ha….
      That is very funny!😹
      
      Delayed punchline. Very clever!
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:07am
    - jkt
      
      Or are you blaming his actions on poverty and the government for not giving him and his family a house!
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:09am
    - softail 1450
      
      MP , not in their tree , off their tree and well known to the police, every one of them I’m sure.
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:16am
  - KH
    
    Sorry about the downtick Benedict. Fat finger.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:05am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yeah I don’t really do ticks, either giving or receiving 🙂
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:22am
  - Flossie
    
    In my extended family are two families with vastly different kids. Family One – the younger son is a very high ranking police officer and the older son a hopeless heroin addict with no job, home, or prospects.
    FamilyTwo – three daughters and two older ones are university educated and hold senior positions in international companies. The youngest daughter has a tribe of kids (to different fathers), lives on a benefit and is covered in home done tattoos. She has had a series of equally useless “boyfriends” and gets drunk at the weekends.
    So is it the upbringing? And obviously it’s nothing to do with being first born etc.
    As somebody here said it could happen in anybody’s family.
    
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    April 15, 2024 11:02am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Any divorce or significant instability in either family?
      
      Drug habits are attractive to people who feel little sense of hope or connection (and drug habits can in some cases cause that as well, as in chicken and egg).
      
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      April 15, 2024 12:33pm
  - gravedodger
    
    Living in a Motel on Fenton street that has doubled in value since the occupancy rates went stratospheric after The Welfare agencies began relocating the homeless there.
    
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    April 15, 2024 11:06am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, once the cops we saw walking the beat or attending incidents were often big bastards, not the type you would mess with. Now they have scrapped the height requirement we have little people joining the ranks. This may have a bearing on why cops are generally looked down upon.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:02am
  - jkt
    
    Good thing that the cops in Aussie are armed.
    
    When I walk around Bondi I show respect to their police, that is for sure.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:13am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The real problem is they’re just not tooled-up properly here.
    There’s simply no respect for the uniform anymore.
    A bestie from tennis has always said she’d like to join the Police… but only if they were fully armed like our Ozzie counterparts.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:17am
    - cmm
      
      The tools are only a tiny part of it. What matters far more is the training.
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:25am
      - gravedodger
        
        Also that Inspector Amy Scott appeared very well trained, closed to where her shot was as certain to be contained in the center mass of the perpetrator to reduce prospect for a miss threatening others and then initiated classic first response for the Perp after disarming him.
        Well done Inspector Scott.
        
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        April 15, 2024 9:42am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Trained in not just gun safety and skill, but mentally trained so they can handle taking the bad guy out.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:11pm
      - cmm
        
        Scott: “Trained in not just gun safety and skill…”
        
        Absolutely correct.
        
        It is one thing shooting holes in paper. It is quite another making holes in people, then dealing with the aftermath.
        
        I hope Inspector Scott had the right training to deal with this.
        
        Key aspects are:
        * It was her duty to do this. It was not her action, it was that of the whole of society.
        * The stabber was a target. Not a living person. He ceased to be a living person once he had set this chain of events in action. She just happened to be the one who happened to be holding the firearm.
        * He killed himself through his own choices and actions.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:48pm
      - GJM
        
        From a family friend who was a copper until a few years ago. The NZ Police get 50 rounds per year and you pass the qualifying, you don’t get to shoot the rest. Range was 7m. With a rifle and red dot sight, that is damn near touching distance if you have long arms.
        
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        April 16, 2024 9:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If NZ Police wore a visible side arm things would be different.
      The would have to be trained of course.
      Cop in Hawaii I talked to (mentioning our Police) said NZers seeing a gun may make people feel intimidated. My comment? Only if they have done something wrong.
      I took his photo but asked him to move his arm so I could get the gun in the picture.
      Nice guy, had a good 20 min chat with him.
      
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      April 15, 2024 1:09pm
      - cmm
        
        Having previously lived in a society where guns were carried often by police and civilians alike, I can’t really say I find them intimidating. Heck I used to sometimes carry guns myself.
        
        What is highly worrying though are people, including cops, carrying guns with little training.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:50pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes cmm. They must be trained and not trigger happy.
        
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        April 15, 2024 3:46pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    I agree – bring back the height requirement. Rightly or wrongly physical presence does seem to matter in these situations (there’s plenty of well paid white collar jobs for the vertically challenged). I think it was only 170cm or something relatively chicken shit anyway so still allows for a big enough proportion of the population. (6ft/183 cm woman here, I’m afraid I find it hard to give too much of shit about “discriminating” against short people).
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:52am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, physical size really helps, especially when trying to control drunk or otherwise diminished people.
      
      I did a bit of bouncing at university. Anyone that knows me well knows that I am not violent, but I am 196cm (6ft 5) so people would generally just comply with my request to take their business elsewhere. You’d often see the drunk guy’s wheels whirring as he was trying to figure out whether it is worth making a swing and, generally, coming to the (wrong) conclusion that I would hurt them badly.
      
      On the other hand, another regular bouncer I knew was about 5 ft 8 or so (so pretty short). He was ex-Rhodesian special forces. Small, runty looking guy but highly capable. He got into fights at least once a month, breaking the odd jaw etc.
      
      Size shouldn’t matter, but it does.
      
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      April 15, 2024 1:59pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        CMM – I’m inclined to agree. Short people aren’t necessarily physically weaker, but they have less presence. I think the female equivalent of the fighting that you talk about re your Rhodesian SF friend is sexual harassment. I’m 6 foot tall, slim (when younger I was very slim), quite reserved, have always worked in male dominated environments including 10 years in the Army and yet I’ve never been, as far as I can tell, susceptible to the sexual harassment nonsense. Short girls used to tell me I was lucky for being tall – I now realise that while it’s not an exact science there is something in it. I think there is something about being on eye level with people that engenders respect. As you say it shouldn’t matter, but it does.
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:09pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      Partially agree.
      Size and strength do matter but there are plenty of jobs for cops and law enforcement officers to do. Undercover work and supervising investigations don’t seem to need big men. VIP bodyguards will have an advantage if large, part of which is psychological, but then again, their department might also have average and anonymous looking officers just mingling in the crowd.
      Ever heard of “The Postdam Giants”? A Prussian King had an elite regiment of exceptionally tall men recruited from all over Europe. Superior pay and conditions, they even set them up with exceptionally tall wives. Charles Darwin said it was the only human breeding program that he was aware of.
      Kind of a debate about how effective they actually were. Big men can get shot on the frontlines just as easy, maybe easier than regular sized men.
      They looked very impressive though.
      
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      April 15, 2024 4:03pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        I hadn’t heard of the Potsdam Giants, I looked them up. Thanks, I like the sound of them!!
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:10pm
- MCōs
  
  The guy that was arrested was eighteen as I recall hearing on the news
  When I was that age my parents were in Timaru and I was in Wellington
  When my son was eighteen I was still in Wellington and he was in Edinburgh
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:05am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I rest my case.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:09am
cmm

Maybe a bit sad that this yoof had to throw his life away like this, but the world is a better place.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/body-found-mount-maunganui-beach-police-investigating/QP5WFJOFAJD6VNZKHUSWKS4HUA/
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April 15, 2024 9:06am
cmm

Reading the case of the two Brazilians who are being kicked out after their visa lapsed leaves me in two minds:

They tried to do the right thing and their over-stayer status is due to someone else messing up. Maybe they should be given a bit of wiggle room.

On the other hand, what value do they bring to NZ? If someone can’t even fill out visa forms without help then they clearly are not working for RocketLab. Indeed, they even admit that they can’t meet the (very low) requirements of the skilled migrant category. Bye, bye. Back to Brazil.

In my opinion, immigration advisers should be banned. Being able to fill out a form yourself is part of the filter to try to keep out the least capable dross.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350245433/couple-leave-new-zealand-after-paying-thousands-adviser-who-forgot-apply-visa
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April 15, 2024 9:18am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Surprised to see Erica’s response. They look like the sort of people we need more of in the country.
  
  Yet still no word on what’s happening with the deportation of that violent Czech drug smuggler Karel Schrobek? Seems to have been going on for years.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:40am
  - RoboRob
    
    I’ll see your Schrobek and faise you a fat German dot com.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:43am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      What’s Kim ever done to harm you Rob?
      They’re wonderful people and we really miss them up here.
      The soirees at Coatesville mansion were legendary.
      
      https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1779425843955306909
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:02am
      - RoboRob
        
        Apart from trying to buy politicians and an election, nothing.
        
        I am just frustrated that after a decade + of court costs and losses in the ones that matter, he has not been deported even though the last case confirmed he should be. The last case almost 2 years ago.
        
        I don’t care if you think he is guilty or not. He has lost his extradition case and should be sent to America to face trial. As it was Obama that started this whole thing it is likely the US aren’t even particularly interested anymore anyway.
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:18am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        It’s complicated.
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:24am
      - pdm
        
        Maggie was Carmel guest speaker at the Ladies tennis club prize giving?
        
        Carmel does like ‘it’s complicated’.
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:49am
      - mandk
        
        Maggie, I think you just need to accept that DotCom is someone who has been found guilty of a string of crimes. NZ would be well rid of him.
        
        And so what about his legendary parties? Criminal types are known for them.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:49am
    - Jake Dee
      
      He should have married a Māori woman. That’s the way these sorts of things got settled in the old days. heck in these modern times he could have just married a Maori man.
      
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      April 15, 2024 4:06pm
  - cmm
    
    OK, I agree 100% Sroubek needs to be thrown out ASAP.
    
    But why do we need more of those Brazilians? If they aren’t on the critical skills list then what use are they?
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:03am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I’m all for Brazilians. My partner thinks they’re fab as well.
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:22am
      - Bridgenag
        
        The Blokes at Bowls wouldn’t get it….🙄
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:13am
      - mogg
        
        Going ‘tackle out’ is strictly for the Summer months.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:43pm
sungsamning

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/04/a_turkish_source_says_biden_green_lit_iran_s_attack_on_israel.html
A Turkish source says Biden green-lit Iran’s attack on Israel.
Yesterday, Iran launched a ferocious onslaught against Israel. It was only because Israel has spent decades investing in infrastructure and training to defend herself that she didn’t suffer mass casualties and major damage to Jerusalem and her military installations. Biden immediately announced that Israel’s defense constituted a victory and told her he wouldn’t support a counterattack. Now, in a bizarre twist, the Jerusalem Post reports that, according to a Turkish report, Biden actually gave Iran the green light to attack Israel!
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April 15, 2024 9:19am
- RoboRob
  
  Joe is trying to play all sides of this situation.
  
  For Iran he is…
  Funding them (ransom payouts and allowing oil sales) and trying to get their nuclear progam going again. He is not raising the issue of Irans involvement in the initial strike on Isreal or the dead US soldiers killed in the region by Irans agents.
  
  For Isreal he is…
  Supplying weapons and support to Isreal. Claiming unconditional support for them.
  
  This leads to the crazy situation where after the Iran attack Joe is both 100% behind Isreal and refusing to support any strike on Iran.
  
  Joe Biden has a lot of blame with regards to this situation and the Ukraine war. His foreign politics must be the worst of any recent President.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:51am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Biden doesn’t decide anything.
    He’s got dementia.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:08am
    - Paulus
      
      Biden has an Election coming up, and he is well behind, so he will say or do anything – if he is physically and mentally capable.
      PS
      I am his age and am not really physically or mentally as capable as he is ~!
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:31am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Sorry to hear that.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:03am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I’m older than him, and am streets ahead of him physically & mentally – but a bloody site poorer.
        Mind you, I have always conducted my affairs honestly, and unfortunately was rewarded by an employee, whom I gave too much trust, by getting ripped off $250k 2 years before my retirement.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:28am
      - jkt
        
        If there is hope for Trump then there is hope for you.
        Stick around Paulus. Your vote counts.
        
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        April 15, 2024 5:32pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      It is pretty clear Biden doesn’t have dementia. No-one with dementia could give a State of the Union address in the way that Biden did.
      
      He has definitely slowed up compared to 4 years ago, but he can still give reasonably competent speeches. Sure he forgets things, but then so do many of us.
      
      I reckon the election is going to be close and could be decided by the debates. Given the low expectations of Biden in the debates, he doesn’t even have to win them, he just has to perform credibly.
      
      At the beginning of the year I thought it was a clear Trump win, but Biden is clearly rising in the polls and has been for a while. I think more Americans are now feeling the improvements in the economy, which is the fastest growing in the developed world.
      
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      April 15, 2024 11:29am
      - Ghost
        
        Can he? Stand here, read the prompter, and still he stuffs that up.
        
        I expect Biden will pull out of the race, sorry he’s just not there, the guy should be in aged care, not ‘running’ a country
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:34am
      - Inandout
        
        WM, how can you honestly believe what you have written given the mountains of evidence pointing to Biden’s mental state? And where on earth do you get your information from about Biden’s popularity? Anyway here is a clue as to how he is faring.
        https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:46am
      - imalwaysright
        
        G,
        
        It wouldn’t surprise me if the Dems put him out of his misery the day before the election.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:57am
      - RoboRob
        
        The real question is, why does a man 81 years old feel that he (and only he) can represent the Dems and stand again. He should have stepped asside and let a Dem who isn’t ‘clearly slowing down’ to stand.
        
        FFS the guy will be 86 when he finishes his next turn if he wins. Statistically he has a very high chance of dying in office. When he stands with Obama and Clinton and campaigns, Clinton has been out of office for 23 years and is still younger then Biden is now.
        
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        April 15, 2024 12:01pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mapp, thankfully most people no longer trust the dem’s propaganda. You shouldn’t either.
        
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        April 15, 2024 12:44pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        The only way he leaves is if he voluntarily retires. he already has the democratic nomination.
        If he stays much as he is at the moment, he will stay.
        Inandout,
        That is the sum of the favourability polls. Trump also does badly on those polls, in fact worse than Biden. The relevant polls are the polls that are about voting intentions. They are virtually tied at the moment.
        
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        April 15, 2024 12:59pm
      - kowtow
        
        He was borderline literally ranting .
        
        I genuinely wonder what had they pumped him up on .
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        SOTU Biden was high as a kite. Whose coke was in the Whitehouse? Joe or Hunters?
        Doesn’t have dementia my left tit.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:19pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Wayne, I’ll wager the people decrying Biden for having dementia (a) haven’t watched the State of the Union address, and (b) haven’t watched any of Trump’s recent rallies end-to-end.
        
        Biden has never been an eloquent speaker. Probably because of his stutter. And he’s definitely slowed up. And I think he’s too old to be President. But I see no signs of dementia.
        
        Trump has been an eloquent speaker in the past. Watch any interview with him from the 1980s and 1990s and it’s marked how far he’s declined. I do see signs of dementia, in his aphasia, in his difficult keeping a train of thought, in how every rally is the same warmed-up repeat of 2016 and 2020 messaging, and in his gait (watch how he swings/drags his right foot).
        
        Biden’s problem is that he stumbles over *words*. Trump’s problem is that he stumbles over *thoughts*.
        
        And for those of you who think Biden has dementia but was jacked up on drugs for the SOTU … you need to patent those drugs, because if you have a drug that can reverse the effects of dementia then you’re going to be richer than Elon Musk.
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:00pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Wayne,
        
        I also think it’s too early to say whether Biden or Trump is in front for the election.
        
        I think Trump has maxed out the MAGA vote, and will need other Republicans plus some independents in order to win in November. That looks hard with his upcoming court cases likely to test the non-MAGA Republican support, and with unpopular messaging on abortion, IVF etc unlikely to appeal to enough independents.
        
        I think Biden will have a turnout problem. He has a broader coalition to draw voters from, but whether he can enthuse them enough to get them out to vote is unclear. That is one area where emotive issues like abortion are likely to help him.
        
        Then there’s the question of whether third-party candidates like RFK will (a) draw much vote and (b) from whom. Although RFK is a Kennedy his messaging is much more aligned with MAGA. He’s backed by pro-Trump billionaires, but as the public sees more of RFK it might well be MAGA that likes his messaging on things like vaccines.
        
        Meanwhile I don’t think the polls are reliable. They weren’t that reliable a guide in 2020, and they’ve been far worse in the 2022 mid-terms and subsequent special elections. I don’t know that classical polling techniques like phoning people work well with younger voters in particular … what 20-something is going to answer a call from a concealed number?
        
        Our host might have some insight on these issues?
        
        So I think we’re all going to have to wait for quite a while yet before the picture starts to clarify.
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The only job growth in the US is in the Public sector
        The devil is in the details…
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:14pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Red,
        
        In the BLS employment survey’s over the last year or so Government has been about 25% of the total jobs added. That’s consistent with Western economies where the public sector is about 25% of the total economy.
        
        Note that typically nearly all of the Government jobs added have been in local (county/state) government, not federal government.
        
        (I have to spend far too much time every month looking at US economic statistics)
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:51pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/the-daily-chart-mcjobs-or-govjobs.php
        
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        April 15, 2024 3:11pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        AoR,
        Look at manufacturing in your link.
        American manufacturing is that low? That is what how Biden has fucked America.
        America makes good stuff, but not anymore with the commie Govt.
        
        MAGA. Trump 2024.
        
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        April 15, 2024 3:54pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        I don’t think the State of the Union speech tells us much about his mental acuity.
        That was a pre-planned and highly stage-managed event, doing the sort of actions he’s done for most of his adult life, namely standing and speaking from a script.
        The real test is in handling multiple complex long- and short-term life or death problems whilst under pressure from all sides. Like every President in history has had to do.
        You can’t judge him by the standards of a rest home grandpa (which he should be).
        You have to judge him by the standards of the chief executive officer of a global nuclear power (which he unfortunately is).
        
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        April 15, 2024 4:27pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Jake, watch the way that Biden handled heckling in the SOTU. That was unscripted.
        
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        April 15, 2024 5:03pm
      - jkt
        
        Against that opponent does it really matter whether he is all there.
        Those who reject Trump will out electoral vote Trump.
        
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        April 15, 2024 5:39pm
      - MCōs
        
        Abortion rights is Trumps achilles heel, one of them
        Some of the States are introducing or interpreting existing ever more extreme laws, which go against any poll figures I’ve seen.
        Mr Trump said the other day it’s up to individual states, but if the republicans control congress I’d say a bill pretty much banning abortion will pass and he’ll sign the bloody thing into law
        
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        April 15, 2024 5:56pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Trump said this week he would decline to sign a Federal Abortion Ban
        Iirc he said he personally is happy with 15 weeks.
        https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/04/11/has-trump-filed-for-a-divorce-from-the-pro-life-movement-n3786308
        
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        April 15, 2024 6:14pm
      - Mike
        
        Trump has previously said women who have abortions should be punished. It is highly unlikely that he personally cares about abortion, or any ‘women’s’ issue.
        
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        April 15, 2024 6:29pm
- cmm
  
  Whether that is true or not, Joe needs a war for his politics. He likely also stands to make a good pile of $ out of it too.
  
  It wouldn’t be the first time USA is egging on both sides and pouring petrol on a fire.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:06am
  - RoboRob
    
    I actually think he would be much stronger in favour of Isreal BUT the election this year is going to be close and Michigan is a swing state with a lot of Muslims so he is trying to play both sides.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:21am
- Jake Dee
  
  That is assuming that Iran’s object was to cause mass casualties. I don’t see any evidence of that. That sort of assumption is just part of the “Mad Dog Mullah” myth that I commented on earlier today.
  If Iran hit air force bases and military HQs (and I think it’s probable they did) then it’s because that’s what they wanted to hit.
  Iran is not insane. they will want a calibrated response for escalation dominance. Don’t go all in on the first hand.
  We must also expect an info-war response here. Israel saying that they got hit but it wasn’t a massacre, so we actually won, is a good line to run.
  
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  April 15, 2024 4:19pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOyIP35M-uI
Carbon Capture Storage in the GAB.
Anthony Albanese’s obsession with Labor’s net-zero climate targets means he’s willing to do anything to meet them, no matter the risk.
He’s even prepared to risk the future of the Great Artesian Basin by turning it into a dumping ground for power station waste emissions.
How will he do this? Why would anyone do this? What kind of moron would even consider this? You’ll just have to tune in to find out.
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April 15, 2024 9:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Why would anyone do this? Because the climate change God demands it. The same God who demands that we ignore the plight of African children mining rare earth minerals. That we ignore the impacts of lithium mining in Chile and Argentina.
  Destroying aquifers in Australia for the climate change god is the new Aztecs, who sacrificed their children.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That’s an old commenting trick, Benedict. No one can care about the environment or human rights without caring equally about every issue. Sophistry.
    
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    April 15, 2024 9:40am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      The environment and the climate are two separate issues. Some of the so-called solutions to climate change damage the environment.
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:51am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      You misunderstand me, perhaps deliberately. I agree that climate change is an issue worthy of addressing. Indeed I worked on climate change responses, professionally for some time. However that was quite a long time ago, long before children became tearful with fear about their lives ending.
      
      I maintain that it has now become a religion and that those who advocate mitigation measures, regardless of, or having no regard for the costs, are akin to worshippers of a religion.
      
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      April 15, 2024 9:54am
      - cmm
        
        ” Indeed I worked on climate change responses”
        
        I am curious. In what role?
        
        What % of the people that work on policy would you say are technically literate (ie. are capable of understanding the science they are talking about)?
        
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        April 15, 2024 10:47am
      - kowtow
        
        BY
        
        A tip ,given in all sincerity.
        
        Ignore the troll.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:09pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        ” am curious. In what role?”
        
        In advising governments and companies with obligations, either internationally or domestically, the most efficient ways of meeting those obligations.
        
        If you are a company with obligations under the ETS, you need advice about how to best meet those obligations. The company is not really interested in entering a discussion about whether climate change is real.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:33pm
      - Mike
        
        It is true that some people liken some views about climate change to religious beliefs. But that same intended insult is often applied to any core belief held by devate opponents. For example:
        “Atheism is a religion”
        “Darwinism is a religion”
        “Socialism is a religion”
        “Capitalism is a religion”
        See also “my spiritual beliers are a religion; yours are a cult”
        
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        April 15, 2024 4:26pm
      - jkt
        
        Yu!
        “Indeed I worked on climate change responses, professionally..” advising government and businesses on their obligations!
        And that makes you an expert on anthropogenic climate change!
        
        You must be a consultant! Whatever the client wants! You even attempt to appease a commenter who challenges you! Refer: “I agree climate change is an issue worthy….”
        
        Reading any book on anthropogenic climate change makes you more qualified to comment on this stuff.
        
        I know you mean well. But really….
        
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        April 15, 2024 5:59pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Ahhh.. He is back.
      
      Considering cost/ benefits of a proposed solution and how that solution fits in an intergrated system is not sophistry Michael..
      
      But, as always, you know that and are really here for the snark
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:26am
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, I agree. That’s what’s driving it.
    
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    April 15, 2024 4:12pm
- cmm
  
  If NZ cared about CO2 we’d be sucking out as much gas and oil as we could and be burning that instead of imported coal.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:07am
- Local Miller
  
  What’s the problem with putting power station waste into the GAB? It’s over 1.7 MILLION km2 of mostly open space and mostly desert or semidesert. If it’s CO2 he could even start greening the desert, which would surly be a good thing, right?
  
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  April 15, 2024 11:37am
Sparrow

The Balfour Declaration is a major root cause of the deadly happenings in the Middle East. Historians have differing views about why it came about but little doubt the major WW1 allies agreed on it. What I found interesting is that the only Jewish minister in the British cabinet at the time was opposed to the Declaration he was also opposed to Zionism. At the time of the Declaration Jews were only about 10% of the population in that area of the Ottoman Empire. This was too dramatically change over the next decades. According to some historian’s helping to solve the Jewish Problem in Europe. While infact transferring it to an unsuspecting Palestine with the result of an ongoing tragedy for all peoples. There are countless other examples in world history I.e partition of India.
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April 15, 2024 9:38am
- kowtow
  
  Ah so .
  
  What’s the common factor between such hugely different places as India and historical Palestine .
  
  This problem goes back a lot further than WW1 and hint hint , it’s not as you so crudely put it a “Jewish Problem”.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:58am
  - Paulus
    
    India gets from the Brits one of the finest Railway Systems in the world, and they still communicate in English of sorts.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:34am
    - kowtow
      
      Bzzzzzzt , wrong . ( but yes they got railways , a common unifying language , democracy etc )
      
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      April 15, 2024 1:13pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Again from my replay to Che last week.
  While Jews were only 10% of the population of the part of “Mandatory Palestine” that became Israel (about 100,000 people), there were another 700,000 Jews in the greater Ottoman Empire area. The problem they faced was that the Jews were not safe in the new Islamic countries being set up in the former Ottoman Empire so they needed to be relocated. Do you disagree with this?
  
  So was the problem the Balfour Declaration or the religious intolerance that resulted in the lack of safety for Jews in the new states. Note that the partition of India was seen as the most effective solution to the same issue in India.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:47am
- Inandout
  
  Sparrow, NZ voted for the state of Israel, the UK abstained. I don’t think our PM at the time, one Peter Fraser, was Jewish.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:50am
- Local Miller
  
  It’s misleading to use the fact that a Jewish minister in the British cabinet being opposed to the the Belfour Declaration and Zionism as relevant unless you also provide his arguments. There were a range of opinions on the establishment of Israel, often depending on the orthodoxy of the Jew. Some of the more orthodox Jews for example believed an Israeli state would one day exist but believed it was up to God to establish this, and not up to man. They felt this establishment of Israel was a bad thing, up until the time it was finally established, at which point they used the argument: It has now happened, which means it was God’s will” and so they accepted the new state.
  The point being, they were often not against the establishment of the State of Israel, they were against it being done by man’s strength and planning.
  
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  April 15, 2024 11:44am
Maggie Pie

Thorts and Prayers (?)

Rumors rife on ‘X’ this morning that WEF Chairman Klaus Schwab is seriously ill
and has been rushed to hospital. There’s specualtion of a second heart attack.

People saying OJ will be looking forward to meeting up.
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April 15, 2024 9:52am
- Rusty
  
  @Maggie – There might be a new job for Jacinda if Klaus kicks the bucket.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:07am
- cmm
  
  Fake news.
  
  To have a heart attack you first need a heart.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:09am
- NothingLeft
  
  I’m sure he’ll bounce back after his normal daily bath-in-the-blood-of virgins. What is dead may never die.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:25am
- kowtow
  
  Oh well , if the glove fits.
  
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  April 15, 2024 1:15pm
Pope Punctilious II

Last night I saw The First Omen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmN1Op8ygno
The denouement is very effective, but to get there I had to struggle through 90+ minutes of incoherency. The protagonist belatedly finds out she is in fact Satan’s daughter. She bears a passing resemblance to the Greens’ new co-leader – I wonder if that’s the real “omen”.
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April 15, 2024 9:53am
- Inandout
  
  PP, haven’t watched 1st Omen as I thought the first movies weren’t a patch on The Exorcist’, a truly horrific story. Yes the special effects weren’t that great but that didn’t take away the scariness. Take what you may from this account of movie set accidents.
  https://www.looper.com/22817/untold-truth-exorcist/
  
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  April 15, 2024 12:02pm
Benedict Yu

This is an hour long but worth watching. An hour long interview with the President of Argentina.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDGTVqrAOL8&t=322s&ab_channel=BenShapiro

If only we had someone of his calibre here.
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April 15, 2024 10:08am
- cmm
  
  If only we had Argentinian voters here.
  
  Politicians don’t exist in a vacuum. They are shaped by the voters.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:10am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Please no.
    No, no, no, no, no.
    A thousand times no.
    
    Argentinian voters are the problem.
    Milei won’t last long as the Argentinian voters have shown again and again that they’ll fall for the next “oh but that wasn’t real Socialism, that’s why they failed” politicians and they’ll vote Milei out and destroy the country again.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:50am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      LAR yes those are also my thoughts. Similar to NZ in many ways (without the popular maverick though). We shall see though. He may win over enough swingers with his changes to keep the momentum going.
      
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      April 15, 2024 12:47pm
cmm

Flea on an elephant.

NZ politicians, of all stripes, have delusions of grandeur.

He should be saying “We’re an insignificant country halfway around the world. Our military capabilities are maxed out by sending 100 storemen and drivers to Europe to support Ukraine. Nobody cares what we say. We are irrelevant. Now I’d like to go back to addressing local issues.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350245387/nz-politics-live-pm-christopher-luxon-urges-restraint-after-iran-israel-attacks
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April 15, 2024 10:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  As far as I an tell, the attacks did minimal damage. There was one reported casualty in Israel.
  
  Yes I agree – these politicians are talking to themselves. I guarantee that Chris Luxon’s views will not feature in the overseas media of any nation, let alone in Israel.
  
  Anyway why should Israel be restrained? Good job if they destroy a bunch of Iran military assets.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:32am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Iran launched a barrage containing 185 explosive drones (nicknamed “suicide-drones”), 36 cruise missiles, and at least 110 ballistic missiles. In addition to the direct Iranian action, their various allies and proxies – the Houthis in Yemen, Iraqi Hezbollah forces in Iraq and Syria, and the Lebanese Hezbollah – also fired at Israel.
    It is remarkable that 99% of them were stopped.
    That Arrow 3 system is just amazing.
    This is a massive Military defeat for Iran. What a failure.
    Seeing Jordan and Saudi Arabia support Israel is also good news.
    I get the feeling Israel will now strike back. I don’t think they have any choice.
    And I agree, hit Iran hard. If any Country needs a regime change that’s it.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:42am
    - mogg
      
      Yes and there is much more to come. The US is now producing AI drones which are capable of identifying
      and damaging radar defence/attack systems over wide areas (MQ-58B).
      This highlights the difference between Capitalism and Communism, China, Russia, have none of the chip making ability of the free market economies.
      Warfare is being revolutionised as we speak and many conventional weapons will very quickly become obsolete.
      NVIDIA share price is a good example of how important these new AI chips are, it is up by 2000%
      in the last few months alone.
      
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      April 15, 2024 11:02am
      - cmm
        
        Sounds like tub thumping to me.
        
        The majority of weaponry in USA is old. Most of their planes were designed in the age of slide rules (A10, F16, C130,…).
        Their artillery is crap. Half the range of competitive stuff that is 40 years old.
        
        AI is not needed to identify radar. Radar identifies itself by sending out dirty great radio emissions that can generally be detected from tens of km away.
        
        I would not slag off at Chinese chips, especially in the mobile and AI space. There the Chinese are far ahead of what is coming out of USA.
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:24pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      US, Israel, Jordan, Saudi and UAE operate a combined air defence system across the ME.
      
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      April 15, 2024 11:15am
      - kowtow
        
        UK was also involved.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:17pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      What would be a “hard hit” that would cause regime change? I would suggest, that given the practical/legal limits of an Israeli strike, there is no prospect that such a strike would cause regime change.
      What will Israel actually do? In my view, most likely some airstrikes and missile strikes on Iranian military facilities. There is no way that such strikes will cause regime change.
      Iran has had the same government, with slight variations, since 1979, which is now 45 years ago. They don’t seem any closer to collapsing than at any time in the last 45 years. They will eventually fall, but that could be decades away. North Korea has had the same government for nearly 80 years, Cuba for 65 years. If the regime supporters, including the armed forces are determined enough, dictatorships like these can last many, many decades. They tend to fall when the regime supporters and enablers essentially give up, as they did in the USSR.
      
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      April 15, 2024 11:20am
      - cmm
        
        Indeed, there is no way that Israel is going to make meaningful political change in Iran.
        
        At best they can hope to destroy a few missile factories and reduce missile production for a while.
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Geez Wayne
        Of course an attack wont cause regime change. They still need to be hit though.
        Regime change wont happen until the Rural voters finally have had enough of the Ayatollahs.
        There is a divide in support between rural and urban.
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:18pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Improvements in technology – computer based communications now bolstered by AI, and increase in military weapons potency/multiplier effects (vs general population). Make revolution against repressive despots impossible. There is no longer any chance of evil dictatorships being overthrown without outside assistance. Lose democracy in the 21st century and it will be permanent.
        
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        April 15, 2024 3:28pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      This guy has details …[not sure which side he is on]
      
      Iran Breaches Anglo-Zionist Defenses in Historic Attack: A Breakdown
      
      https://open.substack.com/pub/simplicius76/p/iran-breaches-anglo-zionist-defenses?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
      
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      April 15, 2024 11:32am
      - mandk
        
        “not sure which side he is on”
        
        Really?
        
        I would have thought it was blindingly obvious from the wording of the headline.
        
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        April 15, 2024 12:38pm
      - kowtow
        
        mandk
        
        Yep , one look at “Anglo Zionist” and ‘nuf said.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:20pm
      - mandk
        
        @ kowtow
        
        Other buzz words used, especially by lefties, that give a strong hint about what follows are “neoliberal”, “cis-gendered” and “progressive”.
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:46pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        How can there be a ‘breach’ if 99% was destroyed?
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:19pm
    - Inandout
      
      AoR, it seems Israel is blessed when it comes to missile attacks from Arab nations. The Iron Dome feature is proof Jewish talents are streets ahead of most of the world and must annoy lesser mortals who have only hate in their eyes. If I were an Arab nation in that area I would think twice about attacking that tiny but enormously smart country.
      
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      April 15, 2024 12:12pm
    - mawm
      
      A-o-R Iran’s goals were to attack the bases from which the Israeli attacks were launched. They seem to have achieved this to some extent with flattening the Israeli airforce intelligence HQ in Tel Aviv and doing some damage to the airforce bases from which the planes attacked -Nevatim Airbase and Ramon Airbase.
      
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      April 15, 2024 1:55pm
      - kowtow
        
        mawm
        
        Flattening ?
        
        So far it looks like the Mad Mullahs have injured one Bedoiun girl and put one hole in a road in the north and broken a bit of tarmac at an airbase.
        
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        April 15, 2024 3:35pm
      - mawm
        
        kowtow – it’ll all come out eventually. At this stage I believe no one especially the Israelis and Yanks. There are some interesting videos of missiles hitting targets but were they last night’s and over Israel? Apparently the Iranians also hit some secret spy base on the Golan Heights. We’ll wait and see.
        
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        April 15, 2024 6:42pm
    - cmm
      
      Iran has a wide range of different drones with different capabilities.
      
      IIRC, the “suicide drones”, which seem to form the majority, only have 20kg warheads. Not much.
      
      Sure, you wouldn’t want one going off next to you, but 20kg does not cause a lot of damage.
      
      In comparison, the V1 flying bomb warhead was about 850kg – so 42 times as much.
      
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      April 15, 2024 2:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Here is a clip of Richie McCaw’s Grandfather James McCaw shooting down a V1 from his Tempest.
        Apparently shot down over 20 of them
        BIG BALLS to do that.
        He survived the war and later taught Richie how to fly a Glider.
        https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BoWx94mA2QM
        
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        April 15, 2024 3:22pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      Why should we assume that the attack was a defeat for Iran?
      Firstly, who publicly announces accurate figures of their casualties during wartime? Nobody, that’s who. there is no advantage to it. Similarly, why publicly announce accurate information about targets hit and damage sustained? that information would be of advantage to the enemy. Stories will always be spun to the teller’s advantage.
      Also here’s another thing to consider, the figures are always going to be highly speculative but an Iranian attack for ~$20B causing an Israeli response of ~$1.5B seems reasonable.
      This analysis is well worth checking out.
      
      https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/iran-breaches-anglo-zionist-defenses
      
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      April 15, 2024 4:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol
        Yeah, I’m sure Islamic World News and a presser from the Iranians is reeeaallly factual.
        The rest is conjecture but hey, enjoy your confirmation bias.
        //
        
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        April 15, 2024 6:21pm
  - cmm
    
    Yes, an Israeli workmate of mine says his family in Tel Aviv say the Iron Dome systems are hitting well over 90% of the incoming missiles & drones.
    
    Still, it is psychologically unpleasant to have weapons directed at you.
    
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    April 15, 2024 10:45am
    - KH
      
      Best defence Israel has is not bombing other nations embassies.
      
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      April 15, 2024 10:48am
      - CJames
        
        It wasn’t their embassy. It was the building next door.
        
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        April 15, 2024 11:25am
      - Colville
        
        ..any building your enemy is meeting in is fair game in my book.
        
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        April 15, 2024 12:13pm
      - kowtow
        
        Colville .
        
        Too right . Especially if one of them is a senior type who helped organise / orchestrate the genocidal Oct 7 invasion.
        
        They sowed the wind …..
        
        Meanwhile idiots who think this is straightforward need to consider what the Ayatollahs believe ( and want) in huge final battles resulting in the Mahdi and unity of Islam .
        
        Te legacy media bang on relentlessly about the fools in the Vatican , they need to refocus on the really dangerous nutters.( but no doubt that would be racis’)
        
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        April 15, 2024 1:43pm
- MCōs
  
  NZ is a small country with a popgun defence capability, but in the big scheme of things we’re a number on the great balance sheet of potential friends that can be useful in trade talks or whatever, I would have thought,
  
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  April 15, 2024 5:44pm
cas

I was rummaging through some memorabilia the other day and came across a message to Form II pupils at a school in 1956 ( I was not one of them). A bit is worth sharing and was signed by the Headmaster and Chairman of the School.

“Try to become self reliant. Think for yourself rather than accept the ready made opinions of other people. Often this will mean following a line of action contrary to your wishes or which may in your opinion lessen the regard that others have for you. Do not be influenced by such considerations. One of the most precious qualities in this world today is moral courage and you will never acquire it by taking the easy way out.”

Wise words indeed.
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April 15, 2024 10:44am
- Arthur Fleck
  
  Just what a colonising white supremacist would say.
  
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  April 15, 2024 11:19am
- cmm
  
  Would Form II pupils today even understand words like consideration?
  
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  April 15, 2024 2:09pm
Maggie Pie

MENTAL ISSUES?

BONDI mass murderer Joel Cauchi’s father breaks silence….

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1779541571739771091
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April 15, 2024 10:49am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, but Joel had nice teeth.
  
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  April 15, 2024 12:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Perhaps he took after his mum?
    
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    April 15, 2024 1:03pm
Handyman

I notice no one was calling for restraint in response to the killings in Bondi.
Everyone supported the cop’s approach “Put the knife down. If you try to kill me I will kill you”.
When your very life is at stake, it is do or die.
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April 15, 2024 10:53am
Sparrow

It was not me saying Jewish Problem. I was quoting many European politicians who were using those words. So they saw the creation of a Zionist state as a solution to their perceived problem. The connection between India and Palestine is both had the great powers of the day stuffing up things which caused huge loss of life. Arbitrary borders being drawn up by great power bureaucrats on a map. A sad result of Empire.
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April 15, 2024 11:44am
- kowtow
  
  Bzzzzt . Wrong.
  
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  April 15, 2024 1:46pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Cry me a river! Greens from the Aro Valley bemoan the impact of the new cycle lane. Why, they can no longer find a car park right outside their houses, and at least two of them need to get to hospital regularly! And the lack of consultation with residents – the shock of it!

It’s as if they didn’t think that it was going to happen to them.

Paywall alert, but toooo delicious to pass by.

http://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350243068/greenie-queries-cycle-lane-safety-locals-negotiate-parking
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April 15, 2024 12:35pm
Maggie Pie

And fab to see Bishop Brian’s son-in-law get a ‘discharge without conviction’
after pleading guilty to painting over the ghey rainbow crossing in K’Rd.

Can only assume Judge Holmes wasn’t appointed to the bench by Labor?
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April 15, 2024 12:44pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  He needs to pay $16,000 for the cost of repainting the crossing. At least thats what they said on ZB news.
  
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  April 15, 2024 1:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Paint it red and white with some stars in the corner.
    That will really get the nutbars going!
    
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    April 15, 2024 6:17pm
mandk

Good to see the Hurricanes beat the Chiefs on Saturday to go 7/7.

Before the start of the season, many pundits were forecasting they would finish in a lowly position on the ladder.

Mind you, the football pundits were saying the same about the Phoenix.
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April 15, 2024 12:49pm
- virtualmark
  
  My take … in previous years the Canes have had a great backline, good loosies, but a weak tight 5. That’s been enough to get them into the playoffs, but then they hit teams like the Crusaders, who had powerful tight 5s, and they lose.
  
  But in 2024 no NZ Super team has a powerful tight 5. The likes of Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Corey Flynn etc etc have gone.
  
  So in 2024 the Canes have a good backline, a great set of loosies, and a tight 5 that’s now as good as anyone else’s.
  
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  April 15, 2024 2:20pm
  - MCōs
    
    And two outstanding halfbacks, one of whom stepped up when the other stuffed up his knee.
    TJ Perenara must be in line for an AB recall one would have thought
    
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    April 15, 2024 4:31pm
Maggie Pie

When you look at the photos of all those beautiful girls, whose lives were cut short by
the bi-sexual mentally ill maniac Joel Cauchi at the Bondi Westfield Mall on Saturday….
it does make you question whether God really exists 🙁

Just saying.
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April 15, 2024 1:20pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  So many non sequiturs.
  
  Him being bisexual is neither here nor there.
  
  God does not exist.
  
  https://notreligious.typepad.com/.a/6a00e552e3404e883301156f8f3c6e970c-800wi
  
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  April 15, 2024 1:40pm
  - NoFax
    
    God is existence.
    
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    April 15, 2024 2:01pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    God most certainly does exist.
    What’s more, you can enjoy life even moreso. 🙂
    
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    April 15, 2024 2:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    As a matter of interest Bene, how do they treat the rights of LGBT in Chynah?
    
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    April 15, 2024 2:15pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I don’t know. I am not from China.
      
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      April 15, 2024 2:26pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Oh OK. My mistake.
        It was just that according to ‘My China Roots’….. YU is one of the most common Overseas Chinese surnames found around the world.
        
        It says Yu can be written in 18 different ways and even details over 400 meanings attributed to the name.
        
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        April 15, 2024 2:47pm
      - MCōs
        
        On the other hand Pie is a name given to a talkative person or someone who had a loud, chattering voice similar to a magpie
        Dictionary of American Family Names
        
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        April 15, 2024 3:21pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Mcos
        
        Thanks for that.
        I just got it. Mag Pie!
        
        I thought she must be a baker or something ….
        
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        April 15, 2024 5:10pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      Homosexual acts are not illegal in China. The policy is neither to neither oppose nor support such activities.
      Try to have a political party to change society based on such activities and you will see a LOT of opposition from Beijing.
      
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      April 15, 2024 4:49pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Just yesterday Kiwibloggers including Farrar himself were convinced the Sydney Stabber was just normal Islamic terrorist.
  
  What a difference a day makes.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:42pm
  - GJM
    
    Well this Mr Stabby is, or maybe just a Hawaiian confectionery enthusiast and people didn’t hear him properly.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/514387/sydney-church-stabbing-declared-a-terrorist-act
    
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    April 16, 2024 3:16pm
Chuck Bird

Emeritus Professor Charlotte Paul on the Puberty Blocker Disaster

https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/emeritus-professor-charlotte-paul-on-the-puberty-blocker-disaster
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April 15, 2024 1:22pm
BeaB

$3000 reparations for rape. $1000 for each girl.
$16,000 for painting over a striped pedestrian crossing.
It’s a funny old world.
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April 15, 2024 1:28pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Sure is. I would like to see the breakdown of the $16,000. Most of it will be for the cost of the ‘traffic management’ and ‘health and safety’ management plans. The paint probably costs $200 and $500 labour for the painter. 🙁
  
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  April 15, 2024 1:42pm
  - MCōs
    
    Not to mention some blokes to divert the traffic
    
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    April 15, 2024 4:34pm
  - MCōs
    
    If I pay you $700, Benedict, would you like to paint a crossing outside my house to slow down the hoons who periodically tear up and down the street?
    What do you charge for a raised crossing?
    I put in a request with the council, but all their resources have gone into painting a new rainbow crossing outside Destiny Church
    
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    April 15, 2024 5:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Time to do something or lose it.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/how-iwi-are-slowly-advancing-towards-taking-all-our-beaches/
Included is an audio comentry by Julian Batchelor.

Democracy Action,

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/March-2024-Newsletter.pdf
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April 15, 2024 1:39pm
cmm

“Teratutonu Herewini appeared at the High Court at Auckland on Monday where he pleaded guilty to a charge of wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.”

WTF is wrong with the judicial system?

How the hell can shooting someone possibly be considered anything less than attempted murder?

OK, the guy being shot was a gang member and all, but still GBH is ridiculous unless he directly shot the guy in the legs with a pellet gun.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350245647/senior-gang-member-admits-shooting-tribesmen-president
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April 15, 2024 2:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh, because shooting someone through the lower chest…..and directly penetrating the stomach… is just so different from shooting someone a couple of cm higher up.
  
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  April 15, 2024 3:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shot a mate in the leg with a slug gun because he pissed me off. He cried. Then I dug the pellet out with a pocket knife. Got him a band aid.
  We are still friends some 60 years later.
  
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  April 15, 2024 3:58pm
  - Jack5
    
    That’s you marked for exclusion from the firearms register, Steve. 🙃
    
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    April 15, 2024 11:33pm
Maggie Pie

WORRYING

Sounds like the shite could be about to hit the fan… big time!

According to a CNBC banner, Israel has just announced it is preparing for
“offensive and defensive” action against Iran.

The middle east is going into crisis mode.
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April 15, 2024 3:01pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Israel only exists at the behest of Western Powers.
  
  That endorsement can easily be taken away. Just saying.
  
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  April 15, 2024 9:46pm
  - Mike
    
    Last part of the world to be colonized by the Europeans.
    
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    April 15, 2024 11:24pm
Tauhei Notts

I have just seen a new advert for Contact Energy. The ad had been praised by an Aussie advertising web site.
The basic gist of the ad was Contact going woke.
I see their shares are at $8.41 and it looks a great opportunity to short the share.
Short selling is what one does when thinking of that all too true adage;
“Go woke. Go broke.”
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April 15, 2024 3:35pm
Surely Knott

There is a big change in the way people are working.

Commercial leases are often the biggest cost for a business, after wages, and with more people working from home and only doing one or two days in the office the office space is often underutilised.

It’s rare and almost impossible to buy your own office in town. You almost always pay a large scale landlord.

The cost of commercial space is vastly more expensive than apartment costs.

So my question is why in the business precinct should a person be allowed to work from home and use 1/3 of their home for business.

But you cannot buy an apartment or house and use that place for commercial offices if you don’t live there.

Eg. If you live there and have a corporate office with 4 other staff that’s fine. If you don’t live in the building and all 4 of you come in to do your work it is not fine.

Commercial office prices are being protected by these restrictive out of date laws. It’s inflationary cost on business. And with the changes in how we work it needs to be relooked at.

When ACT is finish saving dogs he should have a look at commercial real estate and restrictive laws.
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April 15, 2024 3:56pm
Chuck Bird

The judge in Oz found Higgins was raped on the balance of probabilities. The alleged rapist will be bankrupt. The lesson is to be really sure before you initiate a defamation case.
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April 15, 2024 4:23pm
- Mike
  
  Like the war criminal VC case?
  
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  April 15, 2024 5:16pm
Maggie Pie

Just been listenting to the 13th Apostle speaking with HDPA.
Must say the more I hear from Brian, the more I respect him.

He talks sooo much sense.
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April 15, 2024 5:28pm
Maggie Pie

And further to my post this morning about the health of WEF’s Klaus Schwab….

https://instagram.com/reel/C5wHRgrrTCt/
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April 15, 2024 5:52pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/culture/350245882/jenny-may-clarkson-unveils-her-moko-kauae
Who cares ?
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April 15, 2024 5:58pm
- Mike
  
  It seems that you do
  
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  April 15, 2024 6:07pm
- Observer of Life
  
  “ Clarkson has revealed her moko kauae to the world for the first time..”. 😂 To the world??!! Oh please.🙄
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:24pm
MCōs

Mr Luxon is going to Thailand in the middle of Songran holiday, which is the equivalent of Christmas
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April 15, 2024 6:17pm
- Mike
  
  He’ll still be able to shake hands in front of Thai and NZ flags and talk at a podium, won’t he?
  
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  April 15, 2024 6:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Has he got his water pistol?
  
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  April 15, 2024 6:22pm
- Jethrod
  
  So what aeroplane is he flying on?
  
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  April 15, 2024 7:30pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    757
    
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    April 15, 2024 7:40pm
surfing

Tonight’s Seven sharp TV show was playing in the background.

Topic was our high immigration numbers and why and where from people are coming. Some expert spouted on about our governments covid response , attractiveness, lifestyle etc…..

Then, they FINALLY mentioned the largest source of migrants… India by a large amount, then China.

Jeez, they’re not coming here due to our covid response… they’re coming because we have indoor toilets!! And in the case of Chinese, we’re not communist.

This is why people don’t like the media, they’re spinning a false story, trying to make out the (last) government were somehow special .
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April 15, 2024 7:08pm
- Jack5
  
  Yep, a hundred million refugees in the world, according to the UN, and billions desperate to move out of the Third World.
  
  NZ opens the door to the low skilled to increase pressure on strained infrastructure, from hospitals to schools. It sells its citizenship to fund our underperforming tertiary education, or, worse, even allows overseas agents in effect to sell this citizenship.
  
  Not so hot with our business-class immigration, either. Some rich immigrants from China under business schemes (you needed a million or two in the bank) must have been on the right side of the Chinese Communist Party.
  
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  April 15, 2024 10:20pm
Chuck Bird

Another stabbing in Sydney. This time at a church.
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