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greybeard

Currently there is a 5:30pm news program on Sky Open ( used to be called Prime ).
This is almost identical to the later 6pm news on TV3.
Does anyone know if this 5:30pm program will continue after July?
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April 11, 2024 8:00am
- Scott
  
  No it won’t as it gets its news feed from Newshub.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:03am
- CrazyIvan
  
  SkyTV Australia reporting yesterday that Sky NZ was reviewing the future of the 530 news as Newshub produced it under contract. Expect to see it downscaled or ended completely.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:10am
  - greybeard
    
    Thank you, I thought it must have been something like that.
    But as Sky Open is fully-owned by Sky it does not warrant the breast-beating reserved for employees of TVNZ and TV3.
    
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    April 11, 2024 10:41am
- cmm
  
  Who cares?
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:12am
  - MCōs
    
    Those who watch it on a regular basis
    Obviously not you
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:40am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      I heard Melisa Lee saying the government would look at regulation around supporting the news media as the existing regs were drafted before the internet. I have a piece of news for her, the collapse of the msm in NZ Zealand has little to do with the internet and much to do with its complete capture by the far left and it’s open political bias. People don’t like being preached to they will rarely pay to be preached to.
      
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      April 11, 2024 9:08am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Lee has never explained what she means by that comment but there’s nothing about the existing regulations that hamper TV or radio. Look at their websites. They are huge and full of content.
        
        If she means that internet media should be regulated like TV and radio she can bugger off.
        
        Fact is nobody watches the news shows except a certain demographic who by 6pm have their slippers on with their pudding on their laps.
        
        The idea that we should all wait until early evening with baited breath to get the officially-sanctioned news is woefully outdated. The stultifying wokeness just the adds fuel to the pyre.
        
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        April 11, 2024 9:25am
      - MCōs
        
        What about these people
        https://x.com/thetvnews/status/1777446526660550925?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
        
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        April 11, 2024 10:40am
      - Scooter
        
        I wish Melissa Lee would have taken her own advice and not done the interview with Mike Hosking. She basically should not do anymore interviews as we learn nothing new, she doesn’t answer the questions and is an expert in Jacinda speak and word soup.
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/512115/media-minister-melissa-lee-says-interviews-would-have-been-boring
        
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        April 11, 2024 6:27pm
      - PurplePen
        
        I swear every time I hear her being interviewed she sounds more and more like a Labour party minster from the last 6 years. Luxon needs to replace her .. has her got another Simeon Brown type lying around he could use.
        
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        April 11, 2024 7:56pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      There arent that many MCos, otherwise they would not be shutting down.
      
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      April 11, 2024 11:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    NZ media TV news is gospel you know. Ask any granny.
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:59am
    - MCōs
      
      You watch TV1 Breakfast, grandpa
      
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      April 11, 2024 10:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes. The speaker of the house insists on watching Breakfast.
        I comply to keep the queen bee happy. Besides at 6 in the morning I don’t feel like leaving the bedroom.
        I have ear muffs and an eye mask, but it is frowned upon. No cup of tea if I do that.
        Oh, “Breakfast” is the NZ version of “The View!” Don’t tell her that, she watches that shit as well on FB I think.
        
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        April 11, 2024 1:05pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s obviously not going to get its content from Newshub and Sky clearly doesn’t have its own NZ newsroom . . . .
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:18am
- lastmanstanding
  
  As I and others have posted many times the death of the MSM news its own fault. If it had presented the news in a balanced format it would still be viable. Instead over the past 20 years its has moved to a conservative free zone with Leftie reporters and presenters. Over that time there have only been a handful of conservatives like Leighton Smith and Mike Hosking up against an army of the Left.
  Their problem was and is the audience is not 100% Left. The old sales adage goes unless you give the customer what the customer wants they will go elsewhere and they have. Their bleating and whinging only shows they are tone deaf to the real reasons for their demise.
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:08am
  - alphabeatrium
    
    I’m inclined to agree only partiailly. They’ve done themselves no favours, but realistically demographics and technology are against them. Growing up my family religiously watched the 6 PM news bulletin. Now with my own family, we have only very seldom done so, for major breaking news. By the time 6 PM rolls around, we’ve already read the news on our computers and phones. Who needs a dedicated talking head at 6 PM?
    
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    April 11, 2024 12:13pm
    - Flossie
      
      Or two of them!
      
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      April 11, 2024 1:26pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Good news for redundant public sector & media workers: IKEA is hiring!

Let’s hope that they don’t think the jobs are beneath them.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/350240785/ikea-begins-search-hundreds-new-zealand-staff
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April 11, 2024 8:01am
- My-Gumboot
  
  Yep, in the end they are just not very good at their jobs. You would expect that a good journalist, reporter, editor, producer or even news reader, whose job it is to link into the latest, news, statistics, social trends and community issues, would have seen the writing on the wall.
  Confront it months or years ago researched alternative and have a plan b, before they all got the don’t come monday.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hat-tip to Jessica, not Tova
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:50am
- MCōs
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I know someone recently made redundant in Wellington at aged 62.
  His wife still has a well paid job
  Do you think he’s going to move the family to Auckland for a minimum wage job at IKEA?
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:55am
  - Omni Consumer Products
    
    There is always coding.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s a heck of a lot of folks in Wellington who work on term contracts in the Wellington Public Service. Some of them have never had a permanent appointment.
    
    I think the days have gone where folks could be assured of working for one employer or remain in one career throughout their working life.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:44am
  - jkt
    
    INothing new.
    I have known people with that dilemma forever…..
    
    Some commuted weekly from Auckland to Nelson (others from Pretoria to Cape Town), some commutes from Nelson to Wellington daily/weekly ….
    
    Some retired early.
    
    Some wives packed up and followed their partners to Australia. Some work from home, or where-ever they may find themselves.
    
    Some stack apply trays, or sort apples… most get over it and move on.
    
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    April 11, 2024 10:21am
  - James Stephenson
    
    No, but he sounds ideal for the local Bunnings.
    
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    April 11, 2024 10:22am
    - MCōs
      
      Why do you say that?
      
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      April 11, 2024 11:22am
      - James Stephenson
        
        Because my local Bunnings seems to be mostly staffed by older blokes who actually know one end of a power drill from the other. It seems to be a significant recruitment demographic for them.
        
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        April 11, 2024 11:59am
      - MCōs
        
        He’s an older bloke, but I doubt if he knows a lot about power tools, or how to assemble an IKEA flat pack piece of furniture either. Not unless the instructions come in braille
        
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        April 11, 2024 12:19pm
      - graham
        
        So just because (presumably) this person has sight problems, you automatically assume he can’t use or advise on power tools?
        
        That’s very ableist of you, MCōs. I can’t believe you’d be so discriminatory.
        
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        April 11, 2024 12:31pm
      - zulumonster
        
        “Not unless the instructions come in braille” serious question – did he work for ACC?
        
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        April 11, 2024 3:12pm
      - greybeard
        
        Are you really MMACos ?
        
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        April 11, 2024 5:59pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    If he’s able bodied there’s plenty of stuff he can do for money. Pretty stupid to be a job snob unless one has some very sought after skills AND one has a reasonable chance of currently being employed for those skills at one’s age.
    
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    April 11, 2024 4:42pm
Chuck Bird

I have just launched this petition in light of the lack of sentence given to the individual assaulted Judith Hobson at Albert Park. This sort of this happens for too often for serious offences sometimes of a sexual nature.

I hope this may make some difference and at least reduce the number of times this happens. Your signatures will help.

Petition request

That the House of Representatives change the law so that Courts are not allowed to discharge without conviction a person guilty of a crime that is punishable by imprisonment.

Petition reason

The reason I have been motivated to initiate this petition is the case of the man who assaulted an elderly woman injuring a blood vessel near her eye and her cheekbone. While I can see some cases where discharge without conviction may be justified, I believe that too many are granted for serious offending. In my view it is wrong for New Zealand to deceive our allies like Australia and the US where I believe they would not allow such a person to visit if they knew the truth.

https://petitions.parliament.nz/3ce00bc8-b9c6-4f21-2dda-08dc4ae4ed2b
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April 11, 2024 8:02am
- pdm
  
  Petition signed.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:11am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:30am
  - bjools
    
    Me too
    
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    April 11, 2024 10:38am
  - Debsta
    
    Done
    
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    April 11, 2024 11:06pm
- cmm
  
  Good luck with that.
  
  I think you’re dreaming thinking that parliament would tie the court’s hands in such a way.
  
  The best you could ever hope for would be something with an escape hatch clause like the 3 strikes “except when manifestly unjust” clause.
  
  Then all the dudges will just declare everything to be manifestly unjust and you have made no progress.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:12am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “The best you could ever hope for would be something with an escape hatch clause like the 3 strikes “except when manifestly unjust” clause.”
    
    That would be progress.
    Please sign.
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:31am
    - jkt
      
      You have convinced me to sign.
      
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      April 11, 2024 10:29am
  - Graeme Hall
    
    Signed. How else do you let politicians know, in a civil manner, the law on this needs revising?
    
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    April 11, 2024 12:04pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I would like a referendum on whether the public think the current crop of judges are out of sync with public expectations.
    
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    April 11, 2024 4:44pm
- mandk
  
  signed
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Signed. This discharge without conviction has to stop.
  Sad when the public have to demand good Law from Dudges.
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:04am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:08am
- gregorcasey@gmail.com
  
  petition signed
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:52am
- backster
  
  signed…The whole manner in which the case was handled was weird, possibly corrupt, and counter to usual practise.From the section of cops cowering in a side alley and refusing to attend and deal with the criminal disorder, to the attempt to side track the court system, to laying the least serious charges when the evidence supported the logical, to the long delays in the judicial process, to the endeavours to suppress details.To the failure to impose a penalty How can anyone have faith in such a system such a judicial system….and why?
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:54am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Well done Chuck. Petition signed and I will forward to others to sign. We need to send a strong message to Pollies and the Courts that discrimination in sentencing according to their ideology will not be tolerated. Like the MSM the Judiciary is a conservative free zone.
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:22am
- grumpy
  
  Signed
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:40am
- Nobby2
  
  Signed
  
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  April 11, 2024 4:24pm
Scott

I watched some of the new TVNZ show “Testify” recently. It was impossible for me to get through the whole episode because it was so blatantly anti Christian and biased against the church.

Everyone in the church was horrible and the good guys were one woman and one trans person. The trans person kept narrating anti Christian tirades.

Now this might be totally the kind of drama you like and you’ll watch it in its entirety? For some of us it’s an awful diatribe that shows us the liberal vision for today, relentless promotion of the cult of trans and homosexuality while viciously attacking the church.

But here’s the thing. It received $6m in funding from NZ on air. So whatever your view of the show, you are paying for it.
It seems like it would be targeting a fairly small audience? But maybe I’m wrong?
Is this the sort of thing you are comfortable paying for? I’m certainly not.
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April 11, 2024 8:04am
- Rusty
  
  @Scott – Seems to me “Testify”is a dig at Brian Tamaki and Destiny church not that I have watched much of it.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:43am
  - Scott
    
    Rusty – the name of the fictitious church is Avow, which I strongly suspect is a dig at Arise church?
    
    I’d be interested to find out how many people actually watched the show? Is there a big audience for anti Christian, pro Trans dramas? Maybe there is? 🤔
    
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    April 11, 2024 10:40am
- Stellaboxer
  
  I’m not comfortable paying for public broadcasting on any level other than civil defence.
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:45am
- Taipan Pete
  
  Yeah I saw the ads and thought that it’d basically be an attack on Christianity. The church nowadays is just a punching bag for ‘progressives’ who do not realise we have Christianity to thank for our society and laws.
  
  Think you could make a similar series but with Islam? Somehow I doubt it.
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:33am
  - MCōs
    
    I haven’t seen this Australian TV drama, but it sounds like it might be that which you doubt could be made
    https://theconversation.com/abcs-house-of-gods-a-bold-and-compelling-exploration-of-contemporary-life-in-an-australian-imams-family-222988
    BTW
    I don’t think we have Christianity to thank for our abortion, same sex marriage, right to die laws
    
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    April 11, 2024 12:32pm
    - Scott
      
      MCos – that’s true. Christianity is predicated on the sacredness of human life. So in our Christian past we had over 90% of children living in the household with their married parents. We got old age pensions so the elderly would be looked after. Marriage was one man and one woman in a life long relationship. To be fair homosexual marriage was unknown to all cultures and all religions till about 5 minutes ago.
      But yes Christianity promoted strong married families and the sacredness of human life – guilty as charged.
      
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      April 11, 2024 1:26pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Christianity is predicated on the sacredness of human life.”
        
        I’m wondering why Jesus didn’t tell people about germ theory and to use mosquito nets. Without that knowledge a hell of a lot of people have needlessly died throughout the ages.
        
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        April 11, 2024 4:47pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Downtickers, feel free to enlighten with an answer.
        
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        April 12, 2024 1:14am
- Paulus
  
  Worse still, I am told Shortland Street is under review – not surprised, am told also as got way out of it’s comfort zone in most ways.
  
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  April 11, 2024 1:34pm
artemisia

News media layoffs. I kept watching and reading, waiting for some of those interviewed to mention recent surveys showing plummeting trust in them, why that might be. Sad life, I know. Like biased, unbalanced, opinion not facts. And why New Zealanders lead the world in actively avoiding the news.

Not a word, just ‘Save Our Stories’. Which, in the context of not much trust, slogan sounds much more like ‘Save Our Jobs’. And ‘Save Our Correct Ideology’.

Will the remaining MSM learn something? Possibly not, as according to Mr Gower on the wireless this morning, not media’s fault, it’s the economy.
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April 11, 2024 8:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hosking had Gower on this morning, he sound half way decent, until Hosking said what do you say to the 100s of people who text saying go woke go broke, or 55 million, he turned feral, Hodking said the text machine has over heated, but I was out of the car before he released any of the messages.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:08am
  - rouppe
    
    He only read out messages of the form “who does Paddy think he is, telling his potential audience to get stuffed”, and after each one the producer played the snippet of Gower saying “get stuffed”.
    
    Which I took as a pretty big stab at Gower
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Good
      
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      April 11, 2024 9:03am
  - Colville
    
    G.
    
    Gower this morning was a classic case of “why wont these dumb peasants listen to us, we know what is best for them!”
    
    Dont let the door hit you on the way out Paddy…
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:46am
    - coge
      
      Gower eagerly participated in Ardern’s program of segregation, dehumanisation and economic persecution of the NZ population. That’s not the Kiwi way. At the very least he should have understood this day would come.
      
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      April 11, 2024 9:40am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Wasn’t Gower one of the media fangirling about St Jacinda’s captain’s calls that killed the oil and gas industry, and closed down the entire country?
    
    Perhaps he and his mates could learn to code?
    
    This keyboard warrior doesn’t give a stuff about a few luvvies having to harden up and look for a real job.
    
    Who hasn’t been restructured and had to change career?
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:10am
    - JackRabbit
      
      And on the basis of their inability to tell the truth, they could probably get a job coding remotely for British Post on the Horizon system.
      
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      April 11, 2024 1:54pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    I suspect Gower failed to increase his fanbase with that snotty outburst. Paddy Gower On The Dole?
    
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    April 11, 2024 7:06pm
    - leoj
      
      Gower living off the $55 million provided by the taxpayer while at Newshub and now, on the dole, still supported by the taxpayer.
      
      To a leftie like him, that’s normal!
      
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      April 11, 2024 9:35pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  How to interpret Paddy’s comment with maximum cynicism. For a journo, money is king, so that if the economy is in a bad way there is not enough money so journalists lose their jobs. The alternate view, that the best journalists care about the story, and accept low pay in order to pursue their passion for the truth was put to bed years ago. (Reference to the bed of a printing press intended.) Printing presses are becoming historical artefacts wirh the rise of non-print media.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:12am
  - peterwn
    
    Historically anything needing better quality than the old fashioned ‘Gestetner’ or spirit duplicator including Parliamentary order papers, bills, etc were printed. I think the Government Print (then a block away from Parliament) had a team on standby when Parliament was sitting for urgent print jobs. The photocopier together with a decent electric typewriter was the beginning of the decline of printing.
    
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    April 11, 2024 1:24pm
- cmm
  
  I saw something where one of these clowns (was it Gower?) was saying “but Kiwis deserve us” or such.
  
  Really?
  
  These people have not been interested in what Kiwis deserve for a very long time. If they did they would not be activists. They would not be founts of disinformation.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:15am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Paddy Gower on tv1 described tv3 6 o’clock news as a “taonga”.
    
    He also said he offered to restructure tv3 for Warner brothers !
    
    Is their no end to this mans talents.
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:20am
    - imalwaysright
      
      “there”
      
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      April 11, 2024 8:57am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        “man’s talents?”
        
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        April 11, 2024 10:59am
  - ecco
    
    Gower needs to go and ask Jenna Lynch and Tova O’Brien if they thought they delivered unbiased political coverage during their time at Newshub. Would be interested to hear their replies.
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:47am
    - artemisia
      
      Of course Ms Lynch and Ms O’Brien would say they were certainly unbiased and factual. Hoping the interviewer would not notice fingers plugged into ears and lalalala.
      
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      April 11, 2024 9:03am
      - Paulus
        
        The believe that these two reporters, and a large number of others, similar, must hold a great responsibility for the demise of their programmes.
        Their vitriolic caused considerable drop in advertising, so they go bust – and stay there.
        
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        April 11, 2024 1:38pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      I honestly don’t believe Tova O’Brian , Lynch, Smurf , Campbell and co see themselves as partisan hacks part of the leftwing establishment in NZ but rather as enlightened purveyors of truth and right mindedness. I believe that they are so convinced of the correctness of their own world view and the inequities of those who don’t share it that their capacity for balance and fair reporting is nonexistent. They come from the same place the place that convinced them that journalism and the media in general is an opportunity for activism and telling the plebs the “ real” truth because of course they can see it all quite clearly whilst the rest of us are too stupid to see. The wall they are now hitting with such force is the wall the left always end up hitting and that is quite simply the vast majority reject their ideology no matter how it’s dressed up this time.
      
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      April 11, 2024 10:09am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        My experience with various grifters, artists and lefty posers is the far left see themselves as “the proper version of normal”.
        
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        April 11, 2024 4:53pm
    - grumpy
      
      At least those two have Only Fans to fall back on…….
      
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      April 11, 2024 10:44am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        They would surely starve!
        
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        April 11, 2024 11:00am
      - grumpy
        
        Wayyyyyyyyy more than Gower……..
        
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        April 11, 2024 11:56am
      - Rich Prick
        
        *Shudders*
        
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        April 11, 2024 12:58pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        If you don’t care about your reputation (now and forever) apparently they (attractive women anyway) make around $20,000 a month. I imagine with that lifestyle most if not all that money would be pissed away.
        
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        April 11, 2024 4:56pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Gower did mention it this morning with Hodking, of course that’s before he went into a tirade at the people
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:15am
- Scott
  
  Gower and others are determined not to learn a thing. Gower in response to critics told them to “get stuffed”.
  
  The journalists are just not correctable. They are proud of what they’ve done and will not listen to their audience’s concerns about balance and fairness at all.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:31am
- kowtow
  
  Plunkett has ambushed Gower this morning.
  
  It’s hand bags at dawn !
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:43am
  - Omni Consumer Products
    
    Where can I catch a replay of this?
    
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    April 11, 2024 10:26am
    - kowtow
      
      keep an eye on this site , as he might upload it. Not guaranteed as he’s been putting interesting stuff on his pay for bit , which is fair enough.
      
      https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/shows/plunket-unchained-rewind
      
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      April 11, 2024 11:11am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        I listened to it live. The thought occurred to me that our’s would not be a caring society if we did not have mental health facilities for the likes of Paddy.
        Paddy has delusions of grandeur and I think he is a gentleman who’s truthfulness I doubt a bit.
        
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        April 11, 2024 11:38am
    - Vinicius
      
      Try here for the full interview:
      
      https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/the-platform-cold-calls-paddy-gower-offers-the-hand-of-friendship
      
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      April 11, 2024 2:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The NZ media has been shit for decades and now they want us to save them?
  DILLIGAF?
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:18am
  - MCōs
    
    Compared to what?
    Fleet St maybe? I don’t think so
    
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    April 11, 2024 11:35am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      MCos Compared to what? Why compared to anyone? Are we unable to have our own standards or do we have to put up with shite because there is worse shite overseas?
      
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      April 11, 2024 11:52am
G152

Evidently the press after centuries of lying and inventing news are losing the media.
Here at least but it is a start
Oh dear how sad to bad.
Can we see the end of the ‘reporters’ who interviewed their biases and political isms??????
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April 11, 2024 8:08am
Im Right

I must admit I had a smirk or two reading about the ‘devastating’ news that TV3 is to be cancelled…..those poor auto cue readers losing there six figured salaries, and the leftie Gower wondering which model agency would take him on now he is soon to be unemployed.
Wonder how many will be lured into the Podcast realm….the graveyard of people who believe they are relevant and find out they are wrong.
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April 11, 2024 8:08am
- John Loveridge
  
  Devastating for TV3 newsreaders, I suppose.
  
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  April 11, 2024 7:11pm
cmm

Herald are asking why the food rescues are doing “the government’s job”. I’d like to flip that around: why is the government doing food rescue’s job?

For millenia, charities and social organisations have looked after communities. This has provided numerous advantages, including:
* people were getting these services, provided by people who managed them well.
* the people providing the services (typically successful) would meet the people getting the services (typically the less successful), helping promote social interactions and empathy. On the flip side, the poor people see the people giving them stuff and are thankful and appreciative.
* often the charity came with some sort of pastoral care/advice which was targeted at helping people out of their situation.

Then the state, as always, thinks it can do everything better. Let’s centralise the charity function and make it into another governmental core incompetence:
* people get the services, sometimes, but a trough forms – creating spectacular inefficiency.
* the people providing the service (ie. the tax payers) are still the rich people but they no longer encounter the poor. They grumble about their taxes. On the flip side, the poor people getting the services grumble that the faceless rich are not paying “their fair share” and grumble that the state should give them more.
* there is no longer any pastoral care/guidance element. Just fill out the form. Take the money. Next please.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/why-are-food-rescues-doing-the-70-million-job-of-the-government-angela-calver/6FRKYJ6LZJGAFMOTSMSU4P4RRU/
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April 11, 2024 8:08am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Speaking of charities, Salvation Army have gone woke and are begging on tv for donations, I note they now have joined the Māori bullshittery
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:18am
  - cmm
    
    Real charities operate at grass roots level. There are few of those left any more.
    
    These corporate charities are all the same. They have CEOs that fly first class and will have climate change policies etc. It’s a long time since they really worried about handing out a bowl of soup with a hunk of bread.
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:32am
    - Don Beckett
      
      There is a wonderful charity organisation in Tauranga called ‘Good Neighbor’. My wife works voluntarily 1 afternoon per week in the ‘Kitchen’ dept. There are other volunteers who do food collection (out of date from supermarkets.) They also collect rejected logs from the Mount wharf, one of the directors have a portable sawmill on his property, & cut the logs into fencing & firewood which they sell at discounted rates, or just give to the needy. They also build sheds for needy homeowners etc.
      It was started by these few guys, and the volunteers – about 100 of them – come from 4 or 5 of the local Christian churches. They provide hundreds of meals per week – some to Foodbank, some to homeless, some to folks via WINZ etc.
      A thoroughly wonderful organisation.
      It was started by a couple of guys who have been successful in business
      
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      April 11, 2024 10:45am
      - wsk12345
        
        And the people they help, do they go on to help themselves or help others? Or are they entitled? Such as if someone is building a friends do they send the 14 year old out to do whatever labouring is needed or making tea or whatever? Or do they sit on the deck and watch?
        
        I used to help a garden franchisee now and again if he was flat out and I was free. One day we did a state house garden while the tenant sent her kid off to school then boyfriend arrived and they went inside to smoke weed (drifted out the windows) with her unneutered but very friendly American bulldog. I told my mate not to ask me to do those jobs again, I’ll do the ones for each people who pay for a gardener but not for people sitting on a benefit Smoking.
        
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        April 11, 2024 11:11am
      - cmm
        
        Now that is how it should be.
        
        I bet these people achieve more (in many ways) than WINZ does and with less resources.
        
        Part of the role of state socialism is to destroy the function of community organisations.
        
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        April 11, 2024 11:14am
      - cmm
        
        wsk12345: That entitlement is the result of the welfare culture. The government has told them it is their right to not contribute and just demand – without facing any consequences.
        
        Except for incapacitated people, I am really opposed to the idea of giving out free garden services to state house people. They’re getting subsidised housing, surely they can “give back” a bit by mowing their own lawns?
        
        In the charities of old, there was typically pastoral messaging handed out at the same time – reminding people that they had a responsibility to get their lives back on track. The “no fault” hand out culture destroys that.
        
        In many ways there are parallels to the school lunch programmes. Here they are just hand outs. The system is wasteful and is abused.
        
        In some countries the school lunch programme is woven into the educational system. In ??Sweden?? all the kids participate and the kids help to cook the food, plan the meals, clean up etc. As a result, the kids leave school knowing how to perform useful household functions as well as gaining the social feedback/feeling of reponsibility of doing something useful for fellow citizens.
        
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        April 11, 2024 11:37am
      - Don Beckett
        
        wsk12345.
        The people they help are in genuine need. They do a degree of vetting to ensure they are not being suckered, but their help is not aimed at WINZ customers specifically, or ‘O’Wrangle To My Rickey’. They also work with St. Vincent de Paul, and other organisations.
        
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        April 11, 2024 11:37am
      - Paulus
        
        That represents the real New Zealand as some of us would like to know – well done.
        
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        April 11, 2024 1:41pm
  - rouppe
    
    The bullshittery, combined with what they did to kids in their Salvation Army homes, means they will never get a cent of mine…
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:40am
  - Simon
    
    “Salvation Army have gone woke”
    
    Align themselves with power which runs NZ. It isnt the National led govt.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:29am
    - MCōs
      
      What do you mean by ‘woke’?
      Particularly as it applies to a charity organization
      
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      April 11, 2024 11:42am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Blue haired bigots. Harridans of hate.
        
        It’s a system of ‘the right sort’ of bigotry, misandric, anti-white (and other conspicuously competent ethnicities), anti-heterosexual, given license by the nasty neo-marxist everything-is-conflict movement that has taken over academia and spread it’s influence via the young dumb (mostly female) students it’s been indoctrinating for the last 2 generations.
        
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        April 11, 2024 2:04pm
      - MCōs
        
        So if I’m white, heterosexual, neither neo-Marxist or an academic, vaguely intelligent, grey haired, elderly, affable sort of guy I’m off the hook as far as you’re concerned?
        
        I looked it up in the dictionary
        “used by political opponents, of or relating to a liberal progressive orthodoxy”
        
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        April 11, 2024 4:29pm
  - Nobby2
    
    Haven’t donated to the Sallies since they went woke and maorified. Was previously a donor of some 30 years.
    
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    April 11, 2024 4:34pm
Tricati

Getting tired of the continual nauseating comments from MSM entities, thinking we care that they are facing difficulties, when the rest of the country is going through the same stress given the state of the economy the MSM mates, Labour, left it in.
Had they done their jobs in an objective way and held the last government to the same standards they are applying to the current coalition, then maybe the wider public would have some sympathy, but they didn’t and took money in the way of the PIJF so reap what you sow.
Even after the AUT study, recently released, that showed the distain the wider public have for the MSM, they don’t get it, so unlikely to learn/change.
As for ‘river of filth’ Micheal Wood taking court action on behalf of TV1 staff, via his new employer ETU, it only goes to show what his agenda when a Minister was and the true driver behind the appalling Fair Pay Agreements.
And, Melissa Lee, it’s time to harden up buttercup and tell the MSM that given the state of the economy Labour left behind, there will be no handouts or corporate welfare from the current coalition – end of story.
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April 11, 2024 8:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Id lay off Melissa Lee…
  
  Nothing better than to have a real clean-out of a suppurating sore before attempting some wound healing.
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:52am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    I just listen to Lee chatti g with Hosking this morning…. It was waffley for sure…
    
    But I think she is using the Fabianus tactic and delaying till the immediate self immolation of the media egos plays out then she can say nothing we can do, so lets move on….
    
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    April 11, 2024 4:49pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I kind of hope ML is just waffling when she says things like there is nothing we can do and that work is going on. The last thing we need is for National to decide that this msm crap is an essential service and deserves ongoing taxpayer support.
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:21am
kiwikidsnz

This ACT NZF move yesterday was interesting

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/513953/samoa-citizenship-bill-pass…

I wondered why National opposed it? Surely an obvious case for bipartisanship
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April 11, 2024 8:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I don’t think this is part of the coalition agreement, but is this just not too first reading? I wouldn’t be reading anything into this, media are trying to suggest the coalition is fractured
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:36am
Souvlaki

This piece of news about Goffs house appears to have been killed by media:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350241530/police-find-drug-lab-rental-home-owned-former-auckland-mayor-phil-goff
Will we ever get the real back story?
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April 11, 2024 8:11am
- cmm
  
  In the Hastings van shooting, the cops were very quick to assert that there was no indication of a gang connection.
  
  Of course that was a ridiculous statement. Maybe they had no solid evidence, but the indicators are all there – Joe Average seldom takes pot shots at passing vans.
  
  And now they’ve had to walk that back. Yes, there was gang involvement.
  
  Why is it that the cops are so scared of talking about gangs?
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:19am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Gang shootings are “isolated incidents” apparently.
    Phew!
    I thought they were “attempted murder”.
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:31am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Quite a few of those “isolated incidents” it would seem. One might even notice a pattern there.
      
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      April 11, 2024 4:59pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Just like the stabbing at the 21st party….not gang related. Oh wait on……………
    
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    April 11, 2024 11:19am
- cmm
  
  Funny how they refer to Goff as “former Auckland Mayor” (ps: independent, nothing to do with Labour Party).
  
  Why didn’t they say “Former Labour Minister of Justice”?
  
  I’m sure if the shoe had been on a blue foot, the headline would have been
  
  “Drug Lab Found in National Minister’s House”
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:25am
- MCōs
  
  The back story is the property managers didn’t do their job properly, I would have thought
  When I contracted property managers to look after my house they carried out periodic house inspections as part of the deal
  Nothing much the owner can do if he’s round the other side of the world
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:12am
  - artemisia
    
    From the photo of the property it is a big house on a block of land. The clan lab could have been well hidden. Reading between the lines, the police probably got suspicious when the occupiers were obstructive. And they had a search warrant.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:27am
    - MCōs
      
      If it’s a big property one would imagine the rent is big too and so is the property manager’s cut, which going by my experience is not insubstantial
      So the inspection, which doesn’t need a search warrant, should be appropriate to the size of the property
      
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      April 11, 2024 12:43pm
  - Simon
    
    “The back story is the property managers didn’t do their job properly”
    
    lol – set up a drug operation on the off chance that the property managers wont do their job.
    
    Spoon fed.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:31am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Property managers should be doing three monthly inspections
    
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    April 11, 2024 11:23am
G the giant from Dunedin

I note media prostituting the Māori snd PI saying anyone sacked will be scooped up by Aussie. I say bye bye softies
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April 11, 2024 8:13am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Better work on an Aussie accent then and be some kind of outstanding personality. I’d say it’s a lot more tough to break into over there.
  
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  April 11, 2024 5:01pm
softail 1450

Here’s a good idea for the leftist 300 getting shown the door at TV3 ,get your union to take Warner Discovery to court and tempt that multi billion dollar company to sack the rest of you useless bastards and walk away completely,I hope they do just that and demonstrate to the clowns that a business that loses money isn’t acceptable in 2024, the wailing and gnashing of teeth will be music to my ears.
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April 11, 2024 8:15am
- pdm
  
  Non achiever extrordinairre Michael Wood seems to be the main man for the Union.
  
  Under his leadership succsss in anything will not happen.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:39am
slightlyrighty

Paddy Gower went off on ZB this morning and showed why the media is doomed.

The MSM has no idea just how much the general public perceived them to be joined at the hip with the political left.

It certainly doesn’t help when the Union Negotiator for E-Tu who showed up yesterday to represent TVNZ journo’s turned out to be former Labour Cabinet Minister, Michael Wood.
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April 11, 2024 8:17am
Maggie Pie

“The public can get stuffed!”

– Paddy Gower (1ZB Breakfast)

😀 😀 😀
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April 11, 2024 8:20am
- softail 1450
  
  MP , “the tossers at newshub can GAGF” ~ thinking New Zealanders 🤣🤣
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I can’t stand Paddy Gower… on telly or the wireless.
    
    TBH, I’ve got no idea what he sees in himself.
    
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    April 11, 2024 8:37am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  You have to laugh. Last night Gower was saying that the public were their friends. Today, he’s telling them to get stuffed! And he still has no idea why it all happened. Potato. Head.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:42am
  - Swifty
    
    What an idiot he is.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:15am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  If you don’t like what I’m selling your wrong.
  
  I like how he drops in a dig at people doing their own research – a throwback to those that dared to make up their own minds over the covid “vaccine” which is of course in direct competition to the position he was paid to take by the government.
  
  The irony is strong in that one.
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:06am
  - Omni Consumer Products
    
    I thought the term was Confidently Incorrect?
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:43am
- BananaLlama
  
  Typical NZ Media going to triple down and tell NZ public to get stuffed. You just can’t get it through their heads that they are the problem and are causing their own downfall they are gigantic narcissists.
  
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  April 11, 2024 12:19pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “The public can get stuffed!” – Paddy Gower (1ZB Breakfast)
  
  The feeling is mutual. Good luck with the job search.
  
  Since these people see themselves as such national treasures, if they start a channel on X or pootube, viewers will flock to them???
  
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  April 11, 2024 5:02pm
Simon

For newshubb employees

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/jobs/manufacturing-operation

Lots of positions. Get over your sense of entitlement. Marxist mind trick that you are owed something. Go get a job.

Same with all those public sector employees. You are owed nothing.
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April 11, 2024 8:21am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  You are owed nothing and you will be happy.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:33am
- CJames
  
  Shouldn’t they learn to code? – that was the fatuous advice to the US blue collars workers who actually made things, then lost their jobs.
  
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  April 11, 2024 8:49am
  - pdm
    
    Has the ‘in word’ changed from pivot?
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:27am
lifesgood

Paddy Gower, ha, ha, ha. The fool with a face for radio made a much greater fool of himself on Hosking this morning. Told the public to get stuffed and therefore confirmed exactly why I say “good riddance” to these useless individuals. Listen up, Paddy. GO WOKE, GO BROKE.
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April 11, 2024 8:23am
- John Loveridge
  
  The trouble with that face for radio is that it is accompanied by a voice for print, and a personality for locking up in a small windowless room. We can only hope Paddy finds a back office job somewhere, well away from any sort of exposure to the public.
  
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  April 11, 2024 7:19pm
softail 1450

Lifesgood ,How dare you speak with such disrespect about the most heroic fearless hard hitting journalist in the history of paddy’s mind, piss off Paddy and take your new hip hairstyle with you.
Nobody with an original thought in their heads will miss TV3s leftist grovelling news productions.
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April 11, 2024 8:33am
- lifesgood
  
  😂😂😂😂
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:16am
cas

Someone yesterday was asking what the Suicide Prevention unit did.

I wondered the same thing about the Reserve Bank. I know what they are supposed to do ( keep inflation down) but what do they actually do? Apart from being totally woke and hiring lots of diversity staff members and having a press conference every so often, can anyone enlighten me.
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April 11, 2024 8:33am
- Sideoiler
  
  Someone yesterday was asking what the Suicide Prevention unit did.
  
  Maybe they will have a bit on with News Hub and TV 1 Next couple of weeks.
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:46am
  - Don Beckett
    
    ……..with a couple of the MSM staff as the subjects…….
    
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    April 11, 2024 2:39pm
Rusty

Goodbye 3NewsHub I’m not going to miss you and Paddy Gower can get stuffed.
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April 11, 2024 8:47am
- Jethrod
  
  Michael Morrah will be a big lose. Wouldn’t mind betting that there is moves afoot to see him on another channel.
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:07am
  - Omni Consumer Products
    
    Maybe. Heard him on with HDPA yesterday, sounded just as entitled as the rest of them to me.
    
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    April 11, 2024 11:12am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    During the Covid hoo-hah he did some good work exposing issues around supplies of PPE or preparedness inconsistencies across regions or the realities for GPs which were at complete odds with assertions by the government.
    He was someone prepared to call out falsehoods, rather than falling in behind the government.
    
    I had a brief correspondence with Micheal Morrah around the time of the 2020 election. Judith Collins had proposed that people should be tested for Covid before flying to NZ/boarding a plane. Saint Ashley of the Podium then spoke to journalists and was critical of the suggestion.
    I contacts Michael to let him know that some airlines were already doing this, regardless of the government, based on people I know flying in from overseas & it was an odd thing for Saint Ash to say.
    He agreed, and said it was a surprise to him to see someone in his role making comments on a proposed policy of the opposition. i.e. that Saint Ash should not be playing sides.
    I didn’t get the sense Michael was a fan-boy like the rest.
    And worth noting that Saint Ash was pretty much joined at the hip with Jacinda and even appeared in election footage (as a background prop) for Labour not long after this……
    Saint Ash appeared on tea towels for purchase by an adoring public. I would rather he was on toilet paper.
    
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    April 11, 2024 2:51pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Paddy got stuffed by Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux . As an example of these clowns playing guardians of the nation’s political views I offer this https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/07/explainer-what-do-far-right-canadian-speakers-stefan-molyneux-and-lauren-southern-believe.html a more unbalanced hit piece of censorious supporting bs you will be hard pushed to find. Seamlessly concocted with the government and Auckland mayor of the day. Oh wait there is always the Possie Parker hand gesture 🤌 bye bye Newshub.
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:58am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The video of Southern and Molyneux effortlessly mopping the floor with Gower is one of those all time classics like the Cathy Newman interview with Jordan Peterson. 😝
    
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    April 11, 2024 5:44pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-68770641

Turns out that young kids wanting to change gender “have been let down by a lack of research and “remarkably weak” evidence on medical interventions in gender care, a landmark review says.”
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April 11, 2024 8:49am
ecco

The fruits of Ardern, Robertson and Orr’s work starting to come home to roost on the NZ public.

NZ businesses, some of them long standing, going bust on a daily basis due to the economic conditions that the above triumvirate set. (I’m not referring to Newshub that took the public interest journalism fund money and got fat and lazy).

Orr last man standing. Let’s watch with interest how he plans to correct his poor management of NZ monetary policy.
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April 11, 2024 8:51am
- ecco
  
  Hosking’s posted up on his facebook page about Gower’s response to the question whether Newshub went woke with the PJIF. The comments on Gower are pretty cutting 🤪.
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:01am
- ecco
  
  Sorry meant newshub not newstalk zb on my first post!!
  
  [Mod – fixed]
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:02am
  - pdm
    
    You and big Gerry!!! lol.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:30am
- PeeJay
  
  In my sector of the economy, construction and property, I’m regularly talking with folks who have very little on the forward works pipeline. Contractors are really struggling and are throwing ‘hail mary’ bids in, hoping they can make losses back on variations – that will work for a bit but they only need a few big losses and they are gone. Desperate to retain good staff, knowing how hard it was to recruit them in the first place (and always aware of Aussie lurking in the background), but sooner or later economic reality hits and the mass layoffs will have to start, along with some significant liquidations of firms that are poorly capitalised.
  
  Same for consultants – very little work out there. Heard from a well know Project Management consultancy that have no work at all in most of the country – they have offices all over the country and other than a few jobs in the North Island that are currently on site, no other work coming in and none expected anytime soon.
  
  A gallows humour saying is doing the rounds at the moment ‘survive ’til 25′, indicating a hope that government investment and an economic uptick in 2025 will ride to the rescue. Personally, I doubt that will happen – I think the economy is truly stuffed and any government investment drive is likely to be on long lead things like infrastructure, which are notorious for taking a long time to get up to speed.
  
  Seeing this in our own practice – very little work at the moment and everyone is starting to get concerned.
  
  Suspect the Australian agents will probably be getting quite a few queries at the moment!
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:36am
  - MCōs
    
    I used to work for consulting engineers and then steel detailing for almost fifty years and it was an oft repeated scenario
    Whenever there was a downturn our industry was the first to feel the squeeze. It was bad enough being laid off in NZ, but at least there was unemployment benefit plus odd jobs like permit drawings, house painting, until things picked up again.
    We did remote work in Bangkok for American steel fabricators and a whole lot of American companies subsequently went out of business because they couldn’t compete.
    Periodically there were downturns in the US too and if you’re laid off over there there’s unlikely to be a safety net. Visa canceled and leave the country
    
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    April 11, 2024 1:53pm
Benedict Yu

It will be interesting to see how this much awaited ‘media care package’ plays out.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350241728/3-key-decisions-will-determine-how-bad-future-nz-media

Are there not only two options to rescue the legacy media?

1. The government subsidises them. I thought we were done with that. 🤔

2. The government forces Meta and Google to subsidise them. Chris Hipkins thinks that is a great idea and that it will raise $60 million. 🤡 Or Google and Meta could stop linking to any New Zealand news stories. See 🍁 Canada. 😅

…. I was amused to hear Patrick Gower wailing “save the news”. The world has changed. 20 years ago these companies were rolling in money. Newspapers were rivers of gold from classified advertisements for jobs and real estate. TV news was the only audio visual news.

I fear that Melissa Lee is on a futile mission.
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April 11, 2024 8:56am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Transcript from Melissa Lee talking to Mike Hosking.
  
  Hosking then challenged Lee to “name me the country that has successfully dragged Meta to the table and made them pay for news.”
  
  “Hopefully New Zealand,” Lee said, to which Hosking responded: “bollocks.”
  
  “You think a country at the bottom of the world with five million people are going to do what Europe, Australia and Canada can’t do?”
  
  🤡😳
  
  I think that Chris Luxon should invite Melissa for a talk.
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:36am
  - Swifty
    
    Dear me.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:38am
  - PeeJay
    
    The problem is that I don’t think National know what to do nor how to do it. For some reason, they seem to believe they need to do something. Hence the rush to do something, anything. Never for one second considering that this is simply capitalism in action – some products/ companies need to fail, and those that offer a need or service in demand will thrive.
    
    National will probably go ahead and try and make meta and google pay for content and be genuinely shocked that NZ ends up in the same position as every other country that has tried this.
    
    I fear that we will just end up in a place where the government is giving huge subsidies to legacy media, the same folks who run hatchet jobs on National / ACT / NZF but leave their mates in Labour / Greens / Maori alone.
    
    But still the media refuse to confront the reality that they are failing because nobody trusts them anymore.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:45am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Indeed. I never even thought that the Government would rescue these people. Even a week ago I figured I was misreading Melissa Lee. But no.
      
      If they can’t make Google pay, then the government will need to pay. Melissa Lee is just speaking in code. She is setting herself up for a fall, either at the hands of the opposition, or at the hands of New Zealand First and / or ACT.
      
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      April 11, 2024 10:00am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        Lee is a prime contender for a Darwin Award. Why under any circumstances would this coalition make any attempt to help out the msm in NZ?
        
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        April 11, 2024 2:40pm
  - Lance
    
    That being said…
    If Melissa had stated the bleeding obvious that this is all just pissing in the wind and an obscene waste of time, then the howls of outrage that “MP thinks select committees are a waste of time” and “MP so arrogant that she ignores select committees”.
    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:54am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Exactly..
      
      The media had 6 years in which they could have developed a decent relationship with Melissa Lee, but they were too busy sucking up to Jacinda Ardern, Willy Jackson and mates.
      
      Bit late in the day to think that Melissa will ride in to save them on a white horse.
      
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      April 11, 2024 10:42am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Pretty much everything Hipkins has been involved in at Government level, has been a train wreck. Pretty much every idea he has had, has been pie in the sky. The guy has been, and is in, a job that has been way, way beyond his meagre capabilities.
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:56am
  - Akitio
    
    What capabilities are you implying.
    
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    April 11, 2024 7:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I did not know of this.
When was it started and what happened?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/health/other/unused-auckland-surgical-centre-could-be-treating-more-than-15-000-patients-a-year/ar-BB1lhvMr?
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April 11, 2024 8:56am
- PeeJay
  
  Particularly loved this line from the report:
  
  “Labour’s health spokesperson and former health minister Ayesha Verrall said Reti and Te Whatu Ora must sort the problem”.
  
  Are you f-ing kidding me? How can she say that with a straight face? They, Labour, completely screwed the health service and now they are annoyed that Reti and co haven’t somehow magically fixed all the crap they left behind?
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:09am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Reti and Te Whatu Ora must sort the problem
    
    Who else can do it? When you have finished giving us your view how it came about, the problem remains there to be fixed. By the current gummint ….
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:22am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Way to miss his actual point.
      
      Consider if someone neglects their pet until it is lice ridden, ulcerated and skin and bones and then a concerned person removes it from them & takes it to the vet. The original owner then shows up and says ‘The animal is a mess – the vet better have an answer!”
      If someone on the sidelines points out that the former owner put it in the current state, and that their belated concern is really odd it seems that you don’t see the irony and want to point at the vet – or even more oddly – the person making the observation and ask “Well, what solution do you have?”
      
      Well, my solution is that the person should be banned from every having animals again, they need to be ushered from the premises and then pray that the vet is a good vet.
      
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      April 11, 2024 4:04pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        So – do you want to
        
        (a) see the hospital up and running
        (b) emote about how Labour buggered things up
        
        Using up oxygen on (b) gets us no closer to (a).
        
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        April 11, 2024 5:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Verrall was one of four Health Ministers under Labour. They all dropped it like a hot potato.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Verrall – amazing how the mind of a Labour person works. Everyone’s fault except their own!
      
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      April 11, 2024 1:10pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Like Yes Minister…..
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:11am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Precisely, check the episode about the most efficient hospital. The synopsis was of a new hospital that was completed, but not delivering medical services.
    
    It was a brilliant piece of satire, and demonstrated how “a non-functioning govt service could meet targets, like waiting times, and waiting for operations etc.
    
    The last thing the bureaucrats wanted were patients, as that would ruin the glowing reports of the hospital’s efficiency. To read/hear it happening for real in NZ, makes you appreciate how close to accurate the “Yes Minister” or “Yes Prime Minister” scripts were.
    
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    April 11, 2024 12:59pm
    - Omni Consumer Products
      
      The writers thought it up as satire, then it turned out there was more than one hospital running almost exactly as they had imagined…
      
      The writers were inspired by a variety of sources, including sources inside government, published material and contemporary news stories… …Some situations were conceived as fiction, but were later revealed to have real-life counterparts. The episode “The Compassionate Society” depicts a hospital with 500 administrative staff but no doctors, nurses or patients. Lynn recalls that “after inventing this absurdity, we discovered there were six such hospitals (or very large empty wings of hospitals) exactly as we had described them in our episode.”[4]
      
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      April 11, 2024 2:00pm
- Local Miller
  
  “it’s troubling that a pathway to getting this hospital open, with the staff it needs in place hasn’t been put forward,”
  This from Verrall who should have put the pathway in place while she was in office!
  
  Then she says: “progress that had begun to be made under her government to boost the health workforce had instead stalled”
  And these stalled during her governments reign!
  
  How much hypocrisy can the media tolerate without imploding?
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps her Little mate shouldn’t have attempted a restructure of Health whilst the economy was sliding into recession.
    
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    April 11, 2024 10:46am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Perhaps her Little mate shouldn’t have attempted ~~a restructure~~ destruction of the Health whilst the economy was sliding into recession
      
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      April 11, 2024 2:00pm
Benedict Yu

I had an additional thought further to the post yesterday about Maori only tutorials in universities. There is another reason that they should be stopped. That is because the left and the woke will never be satisfied. The push for more segregation and ‘safe spaces’ will never end.

In London, a theater company is planning “black only” nights where only people with black skin may attend the theatre.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-a-west-end-theatre-putting-on-black-only-performances/

The producer explained that he wanted to ensure that black people could enjoy the play “free from the white gaze”.

That is why it is so important that race based segregation not be permitted to take hold in New Zealand. Its proponents will never stop.
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April 11, 2024 8:59am
- I remember when
  
  Surely there can’t be any justification for more racial integration rather than less?
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:08am
- cmm
  
  In the 1980s I worked at a large South African power company (now destroyed by affirmative action). One of the programmers I worked with was black (a bit of a novelty for apartheid-era South Africa). At work he got treated the same as everyone else. His childhood experiences and university etc had been very different to the (mainly) whites he worked with.
  
  His main complaint about apartheid was that it forced him to live with other black people.
  
  I fear the same sort of attitude is in play with the Maori students. The successful and good Maori students will likely ignore these special Maori sessions and rather be treated like everyone else. It will be the basket cases that end up going to the Special Maori sessions.
  
  At some stage the university might double down and compel Maori students to go to the Maori sessions, but if they do that they will destroy the education of the people that deserve to be given an opportunity.
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:28am
I remember when

Lots of talk about whether the TV stations are victims of their own faults.
However, there doesn’t seem to be any real mention of extent to which ‘covid’ affected our perceptions.
Their failure to allow alternative facts and opinions.
In fact, their allowing reasoned arguments to be dismissed ‘out of hand’ because it went against the ‘official’ viewpoint.
The allowing of the daily ‘lecture on covid’ to continue long after there was any medical benefit to be gained.
No considered arguments on the need, or benefits if any, of closing the border and lockdowns.
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April 11, 2024 9:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s just not Covid:
  
  All our MSM have signed into Group think about the Climate Crisis
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018709007/media-s-worldwide-push-for-climate-change-coverage
  
  None of our MSM bothered exploring the rampant nepotism with the Maori Labour Caucus and mates.
  
  etc, etc
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:51am
Yvette

When the news is the “News” itself
1 – The economic downturn has an effect on commercial viability, like everything
2 – While the Government saturated ad breaks with covidganda, advertisers found viable alternatives and probably did not return to television
3 – the $55 million investment by the Labour Government, gate-kept by the “I Support The Treaty” clause, did nothing to address the real strife the media are in – so, like everything else the Labour Coalition touched, it did not deliver
4 – what the $55 million did achieve was to drive viewers elsewhere for their news, so another Government policy that ran totally counter to their agenda

Comme ci, comme ça – yep, it is what it is
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April 11, 2024 9:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Indeed. Patrick Gower this morning showed he has no idea why this has occurred.
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:16am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    You’re out of touch, my baby
    My poor discarded baby
    I said, baby, baby, baby, you’re out of time
    
    You’re obsolete, my baby
    My poor old-fashioned baby
    I said, baby, baby, baby, you’re out of time
    
    Mick Jagger and Keith Richards saw it all coming….
    
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    April 11, 2024 12:02pm
imalwaysright

Watched tv1 breakfast where they spent 5 or 10 minutes reverentially reporting on the end of Ramadan. No problem with that.
In their news they ran a story about an ad for potato chips being pulled in Italy because they used the chips in place of the host at a nuns communion.
No problem with that.
Then the tv1 newsreader sneeringly tried to crack a joke:
“If the nun gave the priest a chip, that would make him a chip monk”
No problem with that.

But what if the newsreader made that type of joke about an Imam?
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April 11, 2024 9:09am
- kowtow
  
  As a matter of interest who was the “news” reader .
  
  and btw I have a problem with it as it’s called “editorialising” and has no place in a professional news org , let alone a taxpayer owned /funded one.
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:46am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Kow
    It was the geezer who looks like a jockey.
    
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    April 11, 2024 10:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Chris Chang
      
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      April 11, 2024 10:33am
      - kowtow
        
        Thank you .
        
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        April 11, 2024 11:05am
Benedict Yu

I commented yesterday that Melissa Lee seems to be setting herself up for a mess. Telling the media that “help is on the way”. 🤡

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/bill-ralston-former-tvnz-news-boss-and-tv3-political-editor-on-the-governments-response-to-newshubs-closure-and-tvnzs-cuts/

What is going on behind the scenes? Surely that, at the very least, Luxon, Peters and Seymour need to agree on the parameters of any Government intervention? Until the last week or so I had no idea that the Government was even contemplating some kind of rescue. That is why I was astonished at Melissa Lee saying that “help is on the way”. Now she is helpless because it is reported that Winston Peters is taking all the time he likes to provide his views on whatever proposals she has come up with. 🤡
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April 11, 2024 9:12am
- Swifty
  
  Lee is starting to concern me.
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:18am
- imalwaysright
  
  I find it odd that the likes of Campbell , Gower , or Morrah haven’t done an investigation into the child murders in New Zealand.
  
  Too hard?
  
  Or is it against the PJIF rules?
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:23am
- thirteenstars
  
  Parliament is a swamp where politicians, bureaucrats and media swim in a fetid soup of mutual dependency.
  
  You can sure as hell bet Lee’s up to her hips in that morass and slipping further. The pressure will be enormous and suspect advice the order of the day.
  
  Stockholm Syndrome is real. The only question here is who’s the hostage and who’s the hostage taker?
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:34am
- Ian Boag
  
  Just out of curiosity I asked ChatGPT which countries have non-commercial broadcasting services. You might be surprised by how many have government subsidised – or licence fee funded – services. Lots and lots … too long a list to inflict on KB readers.
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:45am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Sure. I hear the China News Agency, North Korea State Television and RT News do a great job of presenting fair and balanced opinion.
    
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    April 11, 2024 9:54am
    - Ra Henare
      
      add BBC and CBC (Canada) ABC (Australia) RNZ TVNZ and I am sure many more
      
      I actually believe RT over RNZ for balanced reporting.
      
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      April 11, 2024 7:25pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    And its still wrong…. Especially now we have a delivery layer that is cheap to access and deliver content on
    
    Paying media ‘celebs’ hundreds of thousands as a salary to do nothing productive is waste of cash..
    
    Old schol linear tv is dead as a medium… TVNZ and TV3 know this hence their online offerings…
    
    Newshub going is just the first canary to fall…. And shouldnt be mourned ir kept on life support by tax payers
    
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    April 11, 2024 10:41am
  - kowtow
    
    Lots of flies eat shit .
    
    Doesn’t mean we should .
    
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    April 11, 2024 11:02am
- PeeJay
  
  Knowing Peters thirst for vengeance, wouldn’t be at all surprised if any government support for the media is approved subject to Jack Tame being fired!
  
  All joking aside, the fact that National seem to believe they need to ride to the rescue is concerning. They should simply paraphrase Mr Gower and answer any requests for assistance with ‘get stuffed’.
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:55am
- I remember when
  
  Whatever gave Bill Ralston the idea that a pink shirt was the right accessory for his ruddy complexion.
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:00am
Ultima

Melissa Lee should be joining the media journalists to the dole queue. She doesn’t have a clue what she is doing.
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April 11, 2024 9:19am
kowtow

Why should Israel be forced to accept a ‘two state solution” when the other state and its voters ( when given half a chance) is dedicated to invasion, terrorism ,rape , murder , hostage taking , mutilation and torture and is not independant in any event and acts at the behest of the Mad Mullahs .
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April 11, 2024 9:23am
- Che Guava
  
  Have ever considered that the reason “the other state and its voters ( when given half a chance) is dedicated to invasion, terrorism ,rape , murder , hostage taking , mutilation and torture and is not independant [sic] in any event and acts at the behest of the Mad Mullahs” is in fact because there isn’t a two state solution? I doubt you have.
  
  In other words, Israel’s refusal of (and that fact that it obviously doesn’t want) a two state solution is the cause of most of their problems.
  
  They Israelis tell us that they can’t agree to a compromise that will end the cycle of violence because of the Palestinian’s behaviour and attitude, while the reality is that the Palestinian’s behaviour and attitude is a direct consequence of Israel’s unwillingness to agree to a compromise.
  
  The real politik is that, far from a negotiated peace and coexistence, Israel fundamentally needs a belligerent Palestinian resistance movement, because they use the existence of a belligerent Palestinian resistance to justify what they desire, which is all Palestinian territory eventually annexed to form a Greater Israel, having first ethnically cleansed its inhabitants.
  
  The invasion of Gaza is a large step in this direction.
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:20am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    “I killed myself to give the Palestinians a state. I had a deal they turned down that would have given them all of Gaza… between 96%-97% of the West Bank, compensating land in Israel, you name it.”
    
    “Hamas is really smart. When they decide to rocket Israel, they insinuate themselves in the hospitals, in the schools, in the highly populous areas, and they are smart. They said they try to put the Israelis in a position of either not defending themselves or killing innocents. They’re good at it. They’re smart. They’ve been doing this a long time.”
    
    President Bill Clinton
    
    BTW, the “reason” Hamas gives to the Gazan people and themselves for butchering Jews doesn’t include any of the rationalised things on your list.
    
    They do it because the Jews defy Islam and have done since the beginning of Islam. That’s all the reasoning they need. The other stuff is for the consumption of the rest of the world, like the useful idiots of the Left – and the likes of you of course.
    
    The Leftists and Christians are also in the firing line for the same reason.
    
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    April 11, 2024 11:51am
    - thirteenstars
      
      “The Leftists and Christians are also in the firing line for the same reason.”
      
      Indeed, despite that a rump of conservative Christians (often Catholic) don’t mind the Islamists waging war on Israel because it serves the greater cause of eliminating the killers of Christ.
      
      My enemy’s enemy is my friend. Witness the cosy relationship between Islam and the Nazis. Gott (und Allah) mit uns.
      
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      April 11, 2024 12:42pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        That is so wrong thirteen. I can’t understand where you would have got that line of bullshit from, but of course it stemmed [Mod – don’t make it personal] who look at the medieval Crusades, and call them “The Catholic War of Aggression against Islam” – which is also bullshit.
        If people read history, they would see that Islam was spread by the sword and invaded many Christian countries – and Israel – you know, the Jews’ country.
        The Crusades were a final response to defend the remaining Christian countries against the 500 years of warfare against mainly peaceful Christian countries.
        Yes, there was some persecution of the Jews by the Catholic church – partly, but not only for the reason you suggest – in Europe in the time of the Inquisition, but that was left behind 500 years ago.
        
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        April 11, 2024 2:52pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “who look at the medieval Crusades, and call them “The Catholic War of Aggression against Islam””
        
        Didn’t even enter my mind. That’s obviously a dispute you’ve had with others, but not me.
        
        “but that was left behind 500 years ago.”
        
        No it wasn’t. Not until 1965 as part of Vatican II did the Catholic Church finally admit the Jews were not responsible for the death of Christ. Quite late in the piece considering the persecutions that had been going on for centuries, and hardly necessary had the church not been keenly aware of its complicity.
        
        Now, as to what I actually said, the nub of it is “a rump of conservative Christians (often Catholic)”. A rump is a vestige of a former, much greater body, and I included all Christians but, yes, often Catholics. And in the modern world there is still a minority of the type that used to exist in very large numbers that keep within themselves a deep-rooted psycho-emotional hatred for the Jews.
        
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        April 11, 2024 5:15pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Tom, I hate to break it to you but both Bill and Hillary have selective memory. Especially when out hustling for money.
      
      This quote is from a fund raiser in NY in 2016!
      
      It has always been interesting to read of what Bill Clinton and his wife said compared to fact.
      
      The one I particularly like is Hilary as Secretary of State arriving at the airport and being under gunfire as they ran to the terminal.
      Fact: no gunfire, met at bottom of aircraft steps by armoured Limo.
      
      It would appear that Bill forgot to say that Yassar Arrafat conceded many many things to get the accord signed and then Israeli reneged on that dealaccording to Prof Norman Finklestein.
      
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      April 11, 2024 7:39pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Che, I’m going to try something new:
    
    In 1918 upon the finish of World War 1, the Ottomans were defeated and their land was proposed to be given back to its people. Do you think that was reasonable?
    
    It was determined it would be split into multiple countries based on regional groupings. Do you think that was reasonable?
    
    In doing this, the realisation was made that splitting countries based on religious grounds seemed the best idea for long term stability. Do you think that was reasonable?
    
    For the most part this meant trying to make individual countries largely Shiite or Sunni but the Christians and Jews were an issue and it was decided they needed their own countries so they would not be persecuted by the majority Islamic populations of their new countries. Do you think that was reasonable?
    
    Lebanon was a relatively easy choice for the Christian country but the Jews were spread all throughout the Ottoman Empire so they decided on the area with the single biggest enclave of Jews. Do you think that was reasonable?
    
    When deciding to give part of Mandatory Palestine to the Jews (700,000 of whom were displaced from their homes in the wider Ottoman Empire), it was decided that the majority of that land should be retained by the local Arab population and thus Mandatory Palestine was split between Israel and Jordan. Do you think that was reasonable?
    
    In 1948 when all of this was finally finished and there was a mass relocation of Jews from both the wider former Ottoman Empire but also from Europe, some of the local Arab population refused to relocate to Jordan AND refused to live in a Jewish country so they demanded their own State (after trying to murder all the Jews and failing). Do you think that was reasonable?
    
    The Palestinian people now in Gaza and the West Bank are the descendents of those local Arabs. Their position is due to the existence of Israel, not the lack of a two state solution (since Jordan is their state).
    
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    April 11, 2024 1:59pm
    - kowtow
      
      There was no “giving land back to people”.
      It was almost as simple as the two great ww1 powers grabbing the Ottoman Empire for themselves .
      
      Germany and Russia had also wanted it priorto 1914 burt were now ot of the game .
      
      The US ( and League of nations) wasn’t going to allow any appearances of neo imperialism so Fr and GB had to dress up the land grab as ‘Mandates”
      
      The Brits of course took the bits ajoining Egypt , protect Suez and the route to India , and of course what is now Jordan Iraq for again age old strategic reasons to block Russian interference again towards India and routes thereto.
      
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      April 11, 2024 3:24pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      None of what you say can ever be regarded as reasonable because…
      
      …it’s the Jews!
      
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      April 11, 2024 5:38pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Libertarians are right you will notice Guava tends not to have an answer to posts like yours. Too much reality.
      
      It appears his strategy is to fool as many people as possible to become useful idiots for his cause.
      
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      April 11, 2024 5:56pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Thank goodness for the Rothchilds.
      
      As the worlds richest family(incidentally Jewish) the Rothschilds held and hold tremendous political power with their financial support of political figures.
      
      Then head of the family pushed the British government to great a Post WW1 “home”” for the Jewish People.
      
      From that came the Balfour Declaration.
      
      Balfour Declaration, (November 2, 1917), statement of British support for “the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.” It was made in a letter from Arthur James Balfour, the British foreign secretary, to Lionel Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild (of Tring), a leader of the Anglo-Jewish community.
      
      Yep, who was Balfour’s financial supporter. Baron Rothchild Richest guy/family who wanted a Jewish state. The British Government otherwise couldnt have cared less at the time.
      
      All successful politicians have them-shadowy money men/influence peddlers.
      
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      April 11, 2024 8:01pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        The Jews!!
        
        Once upon a time they were rat-like creatures, spreading disease, poor feral types, poisoning wells, baking children’s blood into bread.
        
        Then they assumed the persona of the grasping usurer. The banker. The moneylender. Controlling the feudals through interest slavery.
        
        Then came the intellectual Jew. Outflanking the Gentiles with their wicked smarts. All those Nobel prizes gained through… well, who knows what, but some dark act, for sure.
        
        So let’s wipe out six million. The Yid fuckers had it coming. Gott mit uns.
        
        Christ (oops!), what idiocy and tragedy.
        
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        April 11, 2024 8:37pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Fear not, Israel will never actually accept a two-state solution despite all the political rhetoric. If there were any Israelis who genuinely thought they should they have been disabused.
  
  A couple of years from now Gaza will be unrecognisable and the accord with Saudi Arabia (which the Oct 7 attack was clearly designed to derail) will have been ratified.
  
  In the meantime Mossad will have eliminated the Hamas kleptocracy no matter where they try to hide.
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:27am
kowtow

It’s almost as if te legacy media with their race hustling , climate catastrophism and promotion of left wing regimes and their policies are on the wrong side of history.

Bwahahahaha.
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April 11, 2024 9:27am
Maggie Pie

Does anyone else find this just a wee bit strange?

“Ian Roberts is the ONLY Rugby League player to ever have come out as Ghey”
– 1ZB Sports News @ 9am

Asking for a friend.
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April 11, 2024 9:28am
- NothingLeft
  
  What about amateur proctologist John Hopoate?
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:35am
  - I remember when
    
    John Hopoate:
    Still wreaking havoc!
    
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    April 11, 2024 10:04am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    John Hopoate was the first rugby league player to enter the digital age.
    
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    April 11, 2024 11:55am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      My partner said not to forget his team mate from Queensland….
      
      Smell Mafinger.
      
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      April 11, 2024 12:12pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Both played for Manly.
    Just saying.
    
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    April 11, 2024 4:09pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Ghey?? No way, I could have sworn he said “grey”!!!
  
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  April 11, 2024 12:06pm
nathie

The problem with the demise of Newshub is that we are left with the State Broadcasters in the form of Labour-aligned left wing TVNZ and RNZ news. Plus state funded Maori Television news. (With all 3 of them pushing the Maori sovereignty and other far-left radical agendas).

Whilst Newshub may not be perfect (in our eyes) at least they weren’t (entirely) following the Wellington woke civil servant agenda.

Sure Newshub have some crap reporters (their Parliamentary political reporters who delight in being nasty single-issue focused retards), but unlike them at least many of the rest of them put the effort in to be professional and balanced eg Michael Morrah’s investigative pieces, Alexa Cook’s championing of the rural victims of Cyclone Gabrielle that the (then) Labour Govt seemed to want to forget, Lisette Reymer’s reporting from Europe, Karen Rutherford’s reporting on Waikato and regional issues, Nick Trurbridge on Auckland issues. Even Isobel Ewing reports on “climate change” issues and innovations without ramming the issue down viewer’s throats. Plus other reporters I’ve not mentioned.

Yes viewing and advertising habits have changed. Yes the MSM could have done more to appeal to their traditional viewers (without turning woke on them). Yes Labour has fk’ed the economy and businesses including the MSM are now paying the price of the incompetence of Ardern, Robertson and Hipkins as advertisers cut spending.

But brickbats to Warner Brothers/Discovery as their decision to pull out of the news business now hands eyes and advertising to their competitors like the State Broadcasters. TV3’s decline will only accelerate their demise as viewers go elsewhere.

Are Warner Brothers/Discovery now doing a “Wisconsin” railway type manoeuvre by stripping out costs and maximising profits before exiting the NZ scene? Since when has Warner Brothers/Discovery ditched their news operations with their other overseas operations? Shouldn’t they be investing in their products to strengthen viewership and therefore profits?

They could do so by changing their business model. Such as having a point of difference with left-leaning TVNZ/RNZ/Maori TV by shoring up viewers from the Centre and the Right (like Sky News Australia or GB News etc).

They could introduce nightly sports programmes after the news as NZ’ers are sports fanatics and would like to see more free-to-air events.

Have this all available for playback on their digital platforms also with more long form news interviews and/or sport coverage for the die-hards.

Forget about Gen Z, they are hooked to their cellphones. Look after your traditional audiences! (Eventually as the younger generations mature they may venture over to see more locally produced content).

I no longer watch or listen to State Broadcasters, pushing their Labour/Green/woke views, so won’t be tuning into them. But I also want a point of difference. People of NZ deserve a point of difference to TVNZ’s Labour Party propaganda. They are not nicknamed Pravda 1 or RNZ Red Radio for no real reason!

There is also a simple Govt solution at no real extra cost. Scrap most of the NZ on Air funding that funds crap leftist television (remember them funding a series on the Christchurch earthquakes from a marxist/anti-capitalist character viewpoint – FFS!) and put that to news and long form current affairs for ALL media and new media (eg blogs) can contest. But attach conditions – coverage must be balanced, and all or opposing views must be covered (not cancelled or ignored etc). No “opinion” views by the reporters or “advocacy journalism”. Good riddance to the likes of John Campbell sucking off the taxpayer!!
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April 11, 2024 9:33am
- kowtow
  
  No taxpayer money to te media .
  
  None .We’re struggling .
  
  So let the market sort this , as it should .
  
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  April 11, 2024 9:52am
- wsk12345
  
  I don’t watch either channel, but when I visit my elderly parents, they do. I notice a difference between the Outsiders stiff they prefer and the MSM stuff of 1 and 3. – but I can’t see any difference between 1 and 3 in terms of bias, maorification, wokeness.
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:31am
- rouppe
  
  The problem is that the John Campbells and Mike McRoberts are the store front for those organisations.
  
  I have stopped watching them because I found their content insulting and not balanced.
  
  Thus the better stuff never gets seen. Even Michael Morrah went through a climate emergency phase telling us were all at existential risk. So why would I trust his content now?
  
  Fuck them. If they’re producing such good content, produce it and sell it on the open market.
  
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  April 11, 2024 12:36pm
Maggie Pie

Channelling Tory 😀

WATCH: (full screen/sound up)

A taste of what The Capital has in store…..

https://tiktok.com/@kazishfiqur/video/7354937650542906656

(Actually, I quite like it! But maybe not 5 times a day)
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April 11, 2024 9:53am
- Jethrod
  
  Ohhhh…… white bum alive and well in Welly.
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:15am
- Swifty
  
  Stultifying, brain-dead nonsense rightfully belonging in history’s dustbin.
  
  Human civilisation has moved on from this ridiculous example of our ignorant, mewling infancy.
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:23am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Try taking a Bible into Saudi!!!
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:22am
thirteenstars

From the Free Speech Union:

Unfortunately, the fight for free speech doesn’t stop for long.

While we have been celebrating the decision by the Minister of Justice to finally can hate speech laws, he has confirmed that the Law Commission is going ahead with advice on ‘hate crimes’.

https://www.fsu.nz/_do_we_really_want_to_be_like_scotland_minister

Hate crimes are just another way to bring in hate speech laws.

There’s a link there for sending a public letter to Paul Goldsmith asking him to stop the work on hate crimes.
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April 11, 2024 10:04am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Could this be the REAL reason behind Paddy’s new hairpiece?

https://twitter.com/wanganuiorg/status/1778183297979523336

😀 😀 😀
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April 11, 2024 10:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh No, Maggie Pie!
  
  You’ve GOT to warn me before I click onto DISTURBING links.
  
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  April 11, 2024 10:57am
Benedict Yu

A little while ago I heard one of the guys on ZB making fun of the RNZAF 757s always breaking down. He commented that they were “obsolete”.

Funnily, United and Delta have a combined fleet of about 160 757s, all kept busy flying USA domestic routes, and routes to Europe and Latin America.

https://djsaviation.net/why-delta-wont-retire-the-boeing-757/#:~:text=Beyond%20operational%20considerations%2C%20finances%20influenced,acquiring%20aircraft%20through%20a%20lease.

Looking at my flight tracker, about 100 are in the air at any one time. Many are a similar age to the RNZAF planes and will be used much more intensively.

It makes me wonder what the RNZAF has done to its planes. 🤔 Maybe the modifications that they made for military use made the planes over complicated?
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April 11, 2024 10:49am
- James Stephenson
  
  It’s simpler than that. Commercial airliners are designed to run almost constantly, they don’t appreciate sitting around doing nothing. The problem with our 757’s which would be true of any similar replacement, is that they don’t fly enough.
  
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  April 11, 2024 12:14pm
- Gjc
  
  The RNZAF has done minimal changes to their 757’s compared to a typical commercial operator.
  The big difference is hours of operation. Commercial fly often, RNZAF not so much due to Govt budget constrains. If the onboard systems, Engines, hydraulics, electrical and electronics are run regularly then systems are generally more reliable.
  The number of take offs and landings expressed as a ratio related to hours flown also makes a big difference.
  
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  April 11, 2024 12:16pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Only have a pair of them … they need to buy two more so that they can have longer refit and maintenance times for each aircraft while keeping at least one flying at all times.
  Doubt that will change under this government anyway.
  
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  April 11, 2024 12:38pm
- Burtland
  
  yeah, they managed to keep the old C-130 Hercules from 1965 in the air forever but not the more recent 757 – the backstory would be interesting
  
  i guess if you have a maintenance budget deficit, best it be on the planes the pollies use
  
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  April 11, 2024 12:53pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The Hercules is a bespoke military airplane. The 757 is not.
    
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    April 11, 2024 1:32pm
wsk12345

Excellent article from a 25 year veteran of NPR

https://www.thefp.com/p/npr-editor-how-npr-lost-americas-trust
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April 11, 2024 11:00am
- All_on_Red
  
  Melissa Lee should read it
  
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  April 11, 2024 1:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Very late in the day

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350241694/newsroom-wins-three-year-ban-republish-story-reverse-uplifts

The racial hot-potato that won’t go away
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April 11, 2024 11:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  More detail here…and in comments section
  
  https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/10/court-lifts-ban-on-newsroom-child-uplift-video-investigation/
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:18am
- alex Masterley
  
  Very interesting.
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:27am
Jack5

Ukraine is using drones from China, rather than American ones, because they perform better as well as being cheaper, says the Wall Street Journal.

Ukrainian forces are using about 10,000 drones a month.

Most drones from United States start-ups have failed to perform well in combat, the newspaper says, adding:

“Ukrainian officials have found U.S.-made drones fragile and unable to overcome Russian jamming and GPS blackout technology. At times, they couldn’t take off, complete missions or return home. American drones often fail to fly at the distances advertised or carry substantial payloads.”

As well as buying completed Chinese drones, Ukrainians make their own from Chinese parts.

Part of the American drone-makers’ problem is a Defense Department ban on using Chinese components. This has made it harder and more expensive to make small drones.
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April 11, 2024 11:02am
- Jack5
  
  Drone warfare is surging.
  
  Drones from Iran are helping the Sudanese Army retake ground from the paramilitary Rapid Support Force, reports Reuters.
  
  Residents said drones appeared to monitor RSF movements, target their positions, and pinpoint artillery strikes in Omdurman, one of three cities on the Nile that comprise the capital Khartoum.
  
  https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/are-iranian-drones-turning-tide-sudans-civil-war-2024-04-10/
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:27am
- cmm
  
  The biggest problem the Yanks have is that it is a highly protected and subsidised industry that has been protected from reality for a very long time.
  
  There have been no pressures to improve their products. They get to charge huge amounts for equipment based on obsolete technology.
  
  As a result a lot of their equipment has not kept up with technological advances and now China, or anyone else that has started development in the last 10 years is now eating their lunch.
  
  I am seeing the same in the electronic chip industry. The USA has largely stagnated. All the interesting stuff seems to be coming out of China.
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:45am
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    What chips are you talking about? The only thing interesting about Chinese chips is the lengths they go to lying about the chips. The latest Huawei is a great example.
    
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    April 11, 2024 12:39pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      TSMC and AMD Taiwan.
      
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      April 11, 2024 12:50pm
      - NoFax
        
        I don’t think cmm meant ROC but rather PRC – different China!
        
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        April 11, 2024 2:58pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        Very sad that AMD Taiwan were forced to remove Made in Taiwan from their packaging because the other China threw a tantrum over their success and AMDs parent company in California were too cowardly to stand up for them.
        
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        April 11, 2024 3:36pm
    - cmm
      
      I’m not sure what Huawei chips or lying you’re talking about, but the stuff I am looking at is astounding.
      
      WCH for example makes a bunch of RISC-V micros that cost about a 10th of an equivalnt chip from a USA company. Their mobile AI chipsets are about 2 or 3 years ahead of the equivalent stuff coming out of USA.
      
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      April 11, 2024 3:27pm
      - NoFax
        
        https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/huaweis-5nm-kirin-9006c-laptop-chip-was-reportedly-produced-by-tsmc-in-2020-dispelling-smic-production-rumors
        
        That’s Huawei lying about it’s technological progress. Remember, anything the communists say is probably a lie.
        
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        April 11, 2024 7:06pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Ukraine use way more than 10,000 drones a month, it’s north of 50,000.
  
  about 2/3rds of Ukranian kills are now by drone due to lack of artillery supplies, which will hopefully be fixed soon if supporting countries can stump up with the several $billions needed to pay for the approx 2million 155mm shells found for sale from around the world.
  
  Drones have probably got a higher success rate, though tend to be limited to ~10-15km rather than 30-40km for western field guns, and they are not as good at taking out foxholes and trenches – though that is improving as they develop bigger variants and get a greater variety of warheads including thermobaric (2-3x bang-for weight by using air as oxidiser for dispersed fuel spray) for drones.
  
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  April 11, 2024 3:30pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    It’s just not going to happen. Even if there are 2M 155mm around the world, buying them would mean other countries (India, Pakistan, South Korea, Singapore Australia maybe) stripping their own stockpiles bare to bail out a leaking and sinking ship.
    When and if Europe and The USA get their own production lines up to speed, they will refill their own arsenals first and any other nation that was foolish enough to have depleted their own will be very far down the list for resupply.
    if this ammo was truly on the “open market’ then why wasn’t in bought up a year or more ago?
    
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    April 12, 2024 3:31am
Chuck Bird

Peters and Luxon’s call for a two state solution while Hamas still has hostages must embolden Hamas.
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April 11, 2024 11:07am
- Maggie Pie
  
  This just in from ‘AP News’….
  
  ‘Israeli airstrike kills 3 sons and 4 grandchildren of top HAMAS leader’
  
  https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1778111068306325678
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:12am
- kowtow
  
  At least Israel can afford to ignore them.
  
  The real villainy is the idiot Biden undermining Israel now .
  
  Hamas will be emboldened and all the west’s enemies must be thanking their Gods there’s such a fool in the WH at the moment.
  But then that’s why they’re doing this at this moment , they know .
  And what message does this treachery send to America’s other allies .
  
  BTW 6 hostages are US citizens .
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:21am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Biden is really worried about losing Michigan
    
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    April 11, 2024 2:00pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      And I believe Nevada. That is Biden’s two state solution
      
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      April 11, 2024 3:10pm
JimBobJoe

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/family-court-awards-woman-1345-a-week-from-her-ex-two-years-after-they-split/QI7ZXYYKOVFJTFWRLLSW3IDQLI/

Is this reasonable? If so why? Most couples split and get on supporting themselves…….
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April 11, 2024 11:16am
- rouppe
  
  This is a telling remark:
  
  The judge was not convinced the vocation she had chosen to re-train in would advance her financial security. She had not explained why litigation to seek continued support from her ex-partner was preferable to her gaining work.
  
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  April 11, 2024 11:54am
  - cmm
    
    ” the vocation she had chosen to re-train in would advance her financial security”
    
    I think I’ll take by fly rod and go retrain as a fly fishing Youtube influencer. If that doesn’t work then somebody else better pay to keep me in the style I am used to.
    
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    April 11, 2024 3:30pm
rouppe

After reading story after story about redundancies in the government ministries, what I notice is that in almost all cases, a bunch of those “jobs lost” are vacant.

My question is, how does thats ave the ministry any money? They’re not spending it at the moment anyway.

I guess it allows the budget required to go down, but a lot of the losses seem a bit fake.

The latest one is the Minisrtry of Culture and Heitage which says they’re losing 18%, or 34 roles. But 23 are vacant, which means it’s really 11 actual jobs lost from 161 which is 6.8%
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April 11, 2024 11:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “My question is, how does thats ave the ministry any money? They’re not spending it at the moment anyway.”
  
  Because they will need to give up the money appropriated for all the jobs, including the vacant ones.
  
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  April 11, 2024 1:35pm
Maggie Pie

See where 1EWES are reporting that 300 jobs have gone from MBIE since the start of this year, and warns there’s more to come.

Well, can’t say David Seymour didn’t signal it!

And appears there’s plenty of others to choose from as well…

https://www.thepost.co.nz/business/350067563/mbies-6400-staff-become-election-football
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April 11, 2024 12:06pm
RichardF

My partner works for a govt department. For the past several years they have been empire building, going on a huge hiring splurge. There are staff who spend most of their time on professional development courses because there is not enough work for them to do, some of these people earning $160k+.

There’s no such thing as cost management or even performance reviews ‘because that causes anxiety for staff’.

Every project is over engineered to the extreme with endless cycles of feedback and consultation. So many reports written but no progress for years. My private sector employer, which is a similar size in headcount to hers, employs a dozen project managers. Her employer has 3 times as many and most are bored due to the lack of work. Lots of hui (literally) and very little doey.

Thanks Jacinda, Robbo, Chippy and Co….and the senior public servants who built their little empires and have so little regard to where the money comes from. It’s your fault many are going to lose their income.
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April 11, 2024 12:36pm
- Swifty
  
  And all the dough for this comes straight from the pocket of you know who…..
  
  I love the saying “If you see money being wasted, you can be sure it’s yours….”
  
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  April 11, 2024 1:11pm
- kowtow
  
  One can really thank the thicko swing voter who put her within the grasp of revenge dealing Peters , whose hatred of the Old Guard at National meant he appointed her as PM . The rest as they say is history.
  
  And chuck in the even bigger cohort of the She Saved us from Wuflu voter who wanted to thus reward her and gave her such an unprecedented mandate.
  
  Your fellow New Zealander ( who put us in this position) is not a very bright fellow.
  
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  April 11, 2024 1:26pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Sounds like Sir Humphrey Appleby’s hospital with no patients.
  
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  April 11, 2024 7:32pm
vand

Che Che – do some research. Arabs have got about 90% of the Mandate land-remember Jordan got 77% in the 1920s.
Who is actually seeking to take whose land? What did the Arab neighbours do in 1948 when Israel was granted around 10% of the mandate (ex Ottaman empire) -part of Israel’s ancient kingdom ?
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April 11, 2024 12:52pm
- BeaB
  
  The whole of Gaza should be given to Israel. The Palestinians have shown again and again they can’t be trusted. The West Bank should be also be part of Israel and a Palestinian state be created on the East Bank extending into Jordan which already has a sizeable Palestinian population.
  Israel is the only truly modern state and democracy in the region and should be given the space to further develop.
  The world needs their brilliance – second only to the USA in the number Nobel winners.
  
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  April 11, 2024 1:43pm
Tom Hunter

Chuckle. You can be as Jewish and Far Left as you want but it won’t save from being …

… violent white supremacists with fancy degrees.

Poor old Professor Chemerinsky and his wife get eaten by their own side.

TBF the guys at Powerline had this to say of him:

Although Dean Chemerinsky’s political and constitutional views are consistently to the far left, he is a committed champion not just to free speech but also ideological diversity at the law school. He has been unfailingly supportive to me and John Yoo, and always made plain that any disruptions to any of our programs or guest speakers (such as Heather Mac Donald) would not be tolerated, and students would face serious consequences if they didn’t respect our rights.

The amazing thing about folk like Chemerinsky is that they never realise, until it’s too late, that they’re not hated for anything they’ve ever done or the ideas they hold – but because they’re Jews. The hatred really is that primitive and that simple.

Will Left-wing Jews get a clue?
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April 11, 2024 12:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Today, we discuss how National is not being honest and upfront about it’s co-governance / Maorification agenda. You can read more HERE:
https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/How-Nation-Is-Furthering-Co-Governance-1.pdf
“Maori have found out that complaining pays big dividends. So grievances are now contrived.”
“Conclusion? Luxon and National show no propensity for stopping co-governance. As such, it would be fair to
say, by not tackling the issues, sidelining them, ignoring them, viewing them as minor issues, they are keeping
co-governance and Maorification going. What are referendums for Maori wards?”

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/flying-under-the-radar-how-national-is-hiding-its-pro-co-governance-maorification-agenda-from-the-public/?
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Maggie Pie

Good God! Just when you thort you’d heard everything….

This from the DM

https://mol.im/a/13289689
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April 11, 2024 1:55pm
Tasman devil

I am absolutely delighted that the mainstream media is dying.

I had enough a few weeks ago when Tamaki Makaura was referred to in TVNZ’s One News six times, but Auckland not once.

In the same news hour the first story was predictably about the White Ferns, a woman’s cricket team, where there was no crowd, but an All Black great’s retirement was last item over 15 seconds.

Paddy Gower…. YOU GO WOKE YOU GO BROKE!

We people that do normal jobs for low pay are actually over being force fed te reo, LGBT stories, and talentless unwatched women’s sports teams.

There is also the fascination with socialist politics that is unhelpful.

Enjoy your redundancy pay while it lasts.
Maybe have a holiday in Tamaki Makaura, wherever that is.😆
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April 11, 2024 2:03pm
Benedict Yu

Sean Plunket phones Patrick Gower to say “Hi”.

Patrick Gower says 😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬😠😠😠😠😠🤬

https://youtu.be/su4XxPmH3D0?si=pFMcUk1EoeYCV0Ng

Patrick blames “the economy” for the failure of the media.
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April 11, 2024 2:06pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Plunko was pretty reasonable with him and least Gower didn’t hang up!
  
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  April 11, 2024 6:22pm
Chris Nisbet

Just checking out the Transpower generation website…
If we had 250 times as much solar as we currently do we could do away with FF generation!
Until this evening.
Lol.
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April 11, 2024 2:08pm
- Handyman
  
  Similarly with wind.
  Blowing a gale across most of the country today and wind generation is at 40% of capacity.
  
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  April 11, 2024 2:21pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    It’s probably too windy for them to operate.
    
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    April 11, 2024 2:55pm
- peterwn
  
  Solar requires storage because it does not contribute after sunset and to account for cloudy days etc. The current hydro station network provides this storage at present but it will saturate at some point (next decade or so). Those installing solar would need to provide this storage by agreement with the hydro station operators arranging batteries. At some point major storage facilities would need to be provided. The Lake Onslow scheme was proposed as a ‘one off’ medium to long term solution, but would be grossly underutilised in the earlier years. Hence smaller scale schemes would be better to spread the capital investment. The Manapouri Power Station was an example of this. The potential of Lake Manapouri for power generation was recognised in the early 1900’s but the capital investment required (together with a host of technological issues) meant the scheme was not viable until the 1960’s.
  
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  April 11, 2024 2:45pm
  - cmm
    
    “The current hydro station network provides this storage”
    
    Well not really. None of it is pumped storage so none of it can store surplus electricity generated through the day. It can however mean that running solar when the sun is shining means the hydro can be stretched out a bit.
    
    There is another technology called CSP which stores concentrated solar thermal energy in molten salts which can then generate power for a few hours after the sun has gone down. They have some systems like that in South Africa. Works pretty well if your peak usage is a bit after dark as theirs is.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power
    
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    April 11, 2024 3:41pm
    - Handyman
      
      CSP plant is a non starter for New Zealand.
      The California plant (Ivanpah) uses natural gas to heat up the salt in the morning. It uses the same amount of gas that could generate 124 GWH of electricity pa. and is not remotely profitable even with high California power prices.
      
      1. New Zealand has not got any gas available to kick start the CSP plant each morning (see “Captain’s Call”).
      2. New Zealand has not got the temp/sun hours of a desert.
      3. New Zealand’s peak is winter mornings just before the sun comes up cf Africa where the peak is just after dusk.
      
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      April 11, 2024 4:54pm
    - peterwn
      
      The present hydro power station network does provide buffer storage for wind and solar. When there is significant wind and solar energy feeding into the grid, hydro output is reduced to compensate so the lakes do not empty as quickly. When there is a lull in wind/solar output, hydro picks up the slack. Limiting factors are lake capacities and maximum hydro outputs but dispatchers can work around that.
      
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      April 11, 2024 8:49pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    250 times as much solar would only cover todays’s real-time demands. If we also wanted to charge some batteries we could suck dry overnight we’d need probably at least 3 times as much as that.
    And that assumes we’ll always get enough sunlight during the day to cover the next night.
    But as we all know, it’s the cheapest form of generation.
    Snigger.
    
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    April 11, 2024 4:03pm
Handyman

Call me a cynic but I think TNNZ tried the usual old civil service trick and it backfired.
Normally, when asked to cut back, bureaucrats leak a plan to cut things like libraries for the purpose of embarrassing the council/government into backtracking on cuts.
A classic example was last week by the Suicide Prevention Department, which working like clockwork.

I believe TVNZ announced a plan to cut their most watched/loved/profitable programmes expecting a countrywide march on the minister’s office to stop the cuts.
It backfired. No one cared, and no one signed their “save our jobs” petition. Now TVNZ has egg on its face and must backtrack.
Idiots.
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April 11, 2024 2:11pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’m not sure I agree. There is no “suicude prevention department”. Had you ever heard of it?
  
  As for TVNZ, it is not whether a show is popular but whether it is profitable. Are the shows attracting advertising revenue that exceeds their production costs? I am assuming that the answer is “no”.
  
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  April 11, 2024 3:08pm
  - cmm
    
    Suicide prevention office. It is a real thing.
    
    Not sure twhether they actually achieved anything or whether it is just a check-to-box “do someting, anything” response.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/government-cuts-to-suicide-prevention-office-could-have-fatal-outcomes-says-former-director/GLYJI3735ZCQ3OIFSZT4MZOHLE/
    
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    April 11, 2024 3:57pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes I know it is a real thing. But it is not a department. I had never heard of it. Its website lists no achievements and says it is a shining Maori star. Abolishing it may make no difference at all.
      
      It it’s role is “suicude prevention” you would think that it would have some rock solid stories to tell about the numbers of suicides it prevented.
      
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      April 11, 2024 4:06pm
      - cmm
        
        Department/office… meh…
        
        Still swallows money and does nothing useful.
        
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        April 11, 2024 4:56pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Did I read somewhere that is is supposed to have 8 staff and 6 of the posts are vacant? Puts a bit of a different complex on it.
        
        “Rock solid” suicide prevention figures would be a bit hard to gather in a hurry. Individual cases – if any could be found – would just be anecdotal. Outcomes could only be measured by looking at numbers gathered over a year or three.
        
        Since this would be too long in the current environment I guess it’s not unreasonable to can it.
        
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        April 11, 2024 5:03pm
  - Handyman
    
    @ Benedict
    I agree department is the wrong word.
    Is their work effective, to plan, or even necessary? No one knows. However, those staff played a good hand and now keep their jobs.
    BTW, I had assumed there would be many roles with a suicide prevention focus within various ministries/departments. It sounds a bit like the poisoning prevention function which I also assume has many roles associated with it in various ministries. Labelling, transport, usage, licensing, policing, MPI, Labour, National Poisons Centre etc.
    
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    April 11, 2024 4:36pm
Maggie Pie

Lots of tweets from people commenting how pleased they are to see
the ‘lefty crim-hugging Ombudsman’ is finally retiring.
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April 11, 2024 2:17pm
Swifty

Why is this woman still on the public tit, I’d like to know?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514013/human-rights-commission-advises-caution-over-boot-camps

She hasn’t a clue about the practical implications of her various positions over the years and in my view completely abrogated her human rights responsibilities over her cheerleading of the Fair Pay legislation.

Sack her. Use her salary for kids ear operations or fixing Wellington’s water problems.

A much better use of taxpayer money.
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April 11, 2024 2:39pm
- cmm
  
  Bootcamps, as being envisaged here WON’T work.
  
  For them to work (ie. give kids the discipline etc they would get from a proper military bootcamp) requires that they get run as proper military bootcamps under military law.
  
  In other words, if you say “Fuck you” to an officer or refuse to comply then it is off to a military prison. Not just one of the nice wee cuddly prisons.
  
  Worrying about their human rights etc is going to dilute the effectiveness of these bootcamps to the point that they cannot succeed.
  
  No scrotes: you didn’t worry about the human rights of the people you have victimised. Why should anyone care about your “human rights”.
  
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  April 11, 2024 3:47pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    You realise male prisons are anything but cuddly?
    
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    April 11, 2024 6:24pm
Maggie Pie

So, Silly Willy belittles Melisa Lee….calling her “Stupid”
He should have been thrown out of the Chamber but Mr Speaker does no such thing.

Heard Hosk the other day infer he didn’t think Gerry was up to the job.
Referred to him as…. “a bit vacant”
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April 11, 2024 4:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Poor Willy – Yesterday’s man clinging to Yesterday’s technology.
  
  Melissa Lee knows the score…
  Lee said: “I don’t think I can save anything. I’m the Minister for Media and Communications. What I can do is provide a level playing field so that media can be more sustainable, modernise and innovate”.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350237521/nz-politics-live-media-minister-called-stupid-labour-predecessor
  
  But Labour and Jackson/TMP have never wanted a level playing field.
  
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  April 11, 2024 4:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    People on X saying Willie believes he can get away wuth all this shite
    “becos he’s brown”
    
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    April 11, 2024 5:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh, I thought it must be because the powerful whaikōrero of this senior Labour MP was so overwhelming.
      
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      April 11, 2024 5:35pm
  - Prince
    
    Lee is absolutely correct.
    If the various Media arms can’t match costs to revenue, they won’t survive, regardless of any Govt largesse.
    
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    April 11, 2024 5:06pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    She is falling into a trap.
    
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    April 11, 2024 6:23pm
cmm

I see TVNZ are talking about killing off Shortland Street.

I didn’t realise it had lasted this long. It must have been in ICU the last 20 years!
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April 11, 2024 5:02pm
- Inthe09
  
  We can only hope, the storylines are more woke by the month from what I’ve unfortunately had exposure to.
  
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  April 11, 2024 5:27pm
NZer In Exile

Reality Check Radio is currently off the air due to lack of incoming dollars.

I think they provided much needed counter-voices during the the quasi-marxist shitshow of the last 6 years.

Here’s how you can support them:
https://realitycheck.radio/offair/#donate1
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April 11, 2024 5:18pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Were there news reports about the unemployed journalists?
  
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  April 11, 2024 6:22pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Probably. I listen(ed) to them a few times a week while driving. They had some very good interviews.
    
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    April 11, 2024 6:26pm
Maggie Pie

And another thing I’ve noticed….

ZB starts every one of their News Bulletins with a soundbite from either a Labor MP,
or Chloe ….all critical of the Coalition.

Will they go the same way as ‘TodayFM’ and hire Tova O’Briean?
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April 11, 2024 5:41pm
- greybeard
  
  Correct: the overnight news bulletins are all slanted towards items critical of the current govt: maybe they are trying to appeal to the oldies like me who are awake half the night .
  Their tenor changes at 6am. I wonder why.
  
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  April 11, 2024 5:54pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP… as soon as Hosk and Eva go home, all the left slanted crap begins with the new Newsreaders for the rest of the day. Particularly bad noon till 4. Someone needs to take that Jason Wall out the back and give him a talking to for a start. 🙁
    
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    April 11, 2024 6:26pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Not sure what they are thinking. Their audience is centrist oldies. So they’ve pissed all them off and they are trying to woo young leftoids to an oldie’s station??? Good luck with that.
      
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      April 11, 2024 6:38pm
Jethrod

Michael Morrah will be a big lose. Wouldn’t mind betting that there is moves afoot to see him on another channel.
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