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Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Spring is Here
and the farm animals know it.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-spring-is-here?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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April 8, 2024 8:04am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Brill !! 😀
  
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  April 8, 2024 8:06am
- mandk
  
  There are some excellent cartoons there.
  
  If only Stuff and the NZH could have cartoons that are 1% as clever.
  
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  April 8, 2024 9:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stuff and NZH are not that bright you know.
    
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    April 8, 2024 3:22pm
Scott

Regarding the aid workers killed by the IDF last Monday the Jerusalem Post indicates it was a case of mistaken identity –
– The drone through its infra red lens could not see the aid worker stickers.
– A Hamas terrorist got on board one of the trucks prior to the engagement and fired his machine gun, a signal to other Hamas terrorists identifying his position.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-795514

It seems that after this incident and due to pressure from Biden the IDF has withdrawn from south Gaza.

I would say that it is very possible that Hamas aided and abetted the case of mistaken identity? They want innocent civilian casualties to pressure Israel and gain support for themselves.

Secondly the IDF has censured the officers in charge. Hamas by contrast celebrates the death of innocent civilians.

Thirdly I would hope that people would support Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East. However given the kids protesting climate change on Friday were lead by Palestinian activists I’m not holding out much hope. Sad 😔
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April 8, 2024 8:05am
- MCōs
  
  One minute we’re told Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East
  Next minute the hapless Palestinians in Gaza are told it’s all their fault for voting for Hamas
  
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  April 8, 2024 10:13am
  - MCōs
    
    Furthermore there are two million Palestinians living in the West Bank who cannot vote, but 400,000 Israelis who can. Normally Israeli citizens living outside the country cannot vote.
    Is the West Bank part of Israel or not?
    
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    April 8, 2024 10:27am
    - Che Guava
      
      No, the West Bank is Palestinian territory, but has been illegally occupied since 1967 and is being increasingly settled by the Israelis (in self-defence, or course).
      
      https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/03/un-human-rights-chief-deplores-new-moves-expand-israeli-settlements-occupied
      
      “UN Human Rights Chief Volker Türk today deplored Israel’s latest actions regarding the occupied West Bank, saying the drastic acceleration in settlement building is exacerbating long-standing patterns of oppression, violence and discrimination against Palestinians.
      
      “Reports this week that Israel plans to build a further 3,476 settler homes in Maale Adumim, Efrat and Kedar fly in the face of international law,” Türk said.
      
      In a report to the Human Rights Council, Türk said that the establishment and continuing expansion of settlements amount to the transfer by Israel of its own civilian population into the territories that it occupies, which amounts to a war crime under international law.”
      
      “The establishment and continuing expansion of illegal Israeli settlements are occurring alongside the displacement of Palestinians through Israeli settler and state violence, as well as through forced evictions, non-issuance of building permits, home demolitions and movement restrictions for Palestinians.”
      
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      April 8, 2024 10:42am
- Che Guava
  
  It seems to me that they’ve been caught one too many times doing the kind of thing they always do (including blaming the victims for their own deaths), so now they’re having to explain themselves and act as though this is an anomaly.
  
  Moreover, it’s unclear though how being “the only democracy* in the Middle East” counts as justification for anything the Israelis have been doing for the last 6 months.
  
  Does voting for leaders who then commit atrocities in any way alter the nature of those atrocities?
  
  *If you’re Jewish
  
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  April 8, 2024 10:52am
- kowtow
  
  In Canada a fellow ata protest can go all dressed up as a suicide bomber , and that’s OK . However an Iranian counter protester with a sign stating what all western countries hold to be true “Hamas is a terrorist organisation” gets arrested.
  
  As pointed out many times before here by others , we live under a system of anarcho tyranny .
  
  ‘We’ because much the same thing has happened here and in the UK.
  
  Madness.
  
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  April 8, 2024 11:17am
- Jake Dee
  
  That was 3 civilian aid vehicles moving from one food warehouse to another food warehouse hit by 3 precision guided munitions.
  If those vehicles couldn’t be identified, then that is the IDF firing on vehicles they can’t identify.
  Have IDF officers been censured and if so to what degree? If a trooper clears his weapon in an unsafe manner and puts a hole through another trooper, he gets more than a censure, he is quickly court martialed and severely punished. The punishment is also made widely known as a warning to other troopers not to make the same mistake.
  Let us wait and see if these officers are quickly court martialed and their severe punishment made widely known.
  If your defence of these multiple criminal homicides is that Hamas does worse, then you are setting a damn low bar and letting your morality be dictated to you by terrorists.
  
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  April 8, 2024 5:11pm
cmm

Sun is up earlier. Great for the solar industry.
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April 8, 2024 8:06am
- PeterB
  
  And my curtains.
  
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  April 8, 2024 8:13am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I really hate how daylight saving ends so late. Used to be 1st week March.
  It was so fab getting out of bed in daylight for a change.
  Why we can’t just have the clocks go forward in the afternoons is beyond me.
  
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  April 8, 2024 8:20am
  - pdm
    
    Even better Maggie – let’s not change the time at all. EVER!!!!
    
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    April 8, 2024 8:46am
  - CJames
    
    I am certain the daylight saving is making your curtains fade faster.
    
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    April 8, 2024 8:51am
  - thirteenstars
    
    If you think ours is late, in the UK it’s the end of October, which is our end of April, and in the US it’s the beginning of November, which is our early May.
    
    My sister lived in Glasgow for many years, which is fairly far north, and where by the end of October it’s already getting dark pretty early and then wham, daylight saving comes off.
    
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    April 8, 2024 9:14am
    - CJames
      
      NZ gets about half an hour of daylight saving even on standard time. For Gisborne, only about 15 minutes. For Invercargill maybe 45 min. All from where we are in longitude.
      For UK they get basically none.
      
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      April 8, 2024 12:49pm
- Jade Warrior
  
  Yes I have also been enjoying the light in the mornings these last two days. Waking up in the dark this early in autumn just seems so wrong. I too would argue we need to return to the pre-2008 approach whereby we put the clocks back in mid March and put them forward again in mid October.
  
  What annoyed me about the 2008 extension is that it was done for the wrong reasons. Some guy in Nelson piped up with a petition and at first, the Clark government would have nothing to do with it. But then one of her political advisers reminded her that 2008 was an election year and that her party was well behind National in the polls, and suggested that an extension to daylight saving might win her a few more votes. It didn’t work, of course.
  
  Don’t get me wrong – I like daylight saving in the summer months but all good things must come to an end. And that includes summer.
  
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  April 8, 2024 9:08am
Chuck Bird

Women do not have penises and there is no climate emergency.
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April 8, 2024 8:10am
- PeterB
  
  Only a lot of mental illness going around.
  
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  April 8, 2024 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  Here’s a guy who wants both.
  
  ‘Non-binary patient wants taxpayer-funded surgery to create a vagina while also keeping FUNCTIONAL penis’
  ‘The surgery was originally rejected by Ontario’s Health Insurance Plan (OHIP) after they rules it “experimental” and is not performed in Canada.
  
  However, the decision was overturned on the grounds that vaginoplasty should not inherently include a penectomy after KS complained to the province’s appeals board.’
  
  https://www.gbnews.com/news/us/non-binary-patient-vagina-and-penis-canada-tax-payers-surgery
  
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  April 8, 2024 8:19am
  - Grunter
    
    When Elon tells him to “GFY” he would be well-equipped to act on that! 🙂
    
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    April 8, 2024 9:16am
  - mandk
    
    I always wanted to be 6’4″ and able to run 100 metres in 9.5 seconds and long jump 9.5 metres.
    
    I feel betrayed by the government for not giving me the surgery to enable this.
    
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    April 8, 2024 9:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Best somebody just shoot it.
    
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    April 8, 2024 10:10am
- Scott
  
  Thanks for that Chuck. I would also add:
  – “socialism never works and it has failed every time it has been tried.” 😎
  
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  April 8, 2024 8:34am
  - Bevan
    
    Did you need a reminder?
    
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    April 8, 2024 8:59am
    - Scott
      
      Bevan – when I was in Australia last year I came upon some young socialists who argued the virtues of socialism to solve the local housing crisis.
      “Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it”. 😎
      
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      April 8, 2024 9:22am
      - Bevan
        
        Im referring to you thanking Chuck for reminding you that women dont have penises.
        
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        April 8, 2024 10:34am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Chuck Bird: “Women do not have penises and there is no climate emergency.”
  
  Is there a T-Shirt for that?
  
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  April 8, 2024 10:33pm
DeepBlue

Ever wondered what pen pushers do…
A sweep of internal emails at NZTA done under the Official Information Act threw up more than 35,900 emails potentially relating to the name switch between December 2023 and February 2024. Between the executive leadership team alone, there were 278 emails. Stuff
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April 8, 2024 8:10am
G152

The cat clocks werent working this morning. Breakfast occurred and there were no diners
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April 8, 2024 8:12am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I can lend you our ginger boy – daylight savings has really messed up his chakras and he is up and about miaowing every hour of the night
  
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  April 8, 2024 3:04pm
cas

I started reading a book last night about a man who came to NZ under a family resttlement scheme, got into trouble, turned his life around.

What I found interesting was that he and his siblings were born in Pakistan to a couple who fled Afgnahistan and they lived in Pakistan for quite some time. His grandparents even lived there.

An uncle had come to NZ as a refugee in 1999, sought asylum and was granted residency. 2 years later under the family resettlement category, this man, his 4 siblings and parents all were granted visas to NZ.

I suppose the main point of this is how expansive the family resettlement category is – not just for immediate family. And living in Pakistan wouldn’t have been much of a hassle I wouldn’t have thought.
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April 8, 2024 8:13am
Benedict Yu

Folk in the USA are losing their minds because of the solar eclipse happening tomorrow. 😅

https://www.forbes.com/sites/caileygleeson/2024/04/04/heres-why-the-total-solar-eclipse-has-prompted-states-of-emergency-in-parts-of-us/

There will be a total solar eclipse in Australia and New Zealand on 22 July 2028.

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2028-july-22

Maybe we need to pay attention.
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April 8, 2024 8:13am
- thirteenstars
  
  To be fair, folks aren’t losing their minds over the eclipse, per se. It’s not the bloody Middle Ages.
  
  I guess when some localities are expecting influxes of upwards of a million eclipse watchers it might just cause a few problems. That said, modern emergency management bureaucracy does tend to be a little jumpy.
  
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  April 8, 2024 9:21am
- rangitoto
  
  The 2028 one goes across Dunners fairly late in the winter afternoon. Probably Aus will be the better option for viewing.
  
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  April 8, 2024 9:55am
- imalwaysright
  
  Lunatics
  
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  April 8, 2024 10:41am
Maggie Pie

OMG! Don’t leave home till you’ve read this 🙁

“There is little doubt Ardern’s Marxist-leaning government has been the most destructive and divisive in our history….. we are now not even listed among the top ten countries in the world to live”

https://www.spectator.com.au/2024/04/is-new-zealand-past-the-point-of-no-return/
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April 8, 2024 8:14am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Paywall.
  
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  April 8, 2024 8:23am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Just do what I do silly! Klik on…. “try a month free”
    
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    April 8, 2024 8:25am
    - Gravelroad
      
      No, I don’t want a “free” subscription for a month or “register to unlock” the article.
      Can’t be bothered with the ensuing unsolicited emails re the wonderfulness of the publication, how fair and fearless they are and the begging for subscriptions and donations to maintain the standards of journalism etc.
      Once you give out personal contact details, they are never ending – and sold on to other sources and businesses.
      
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      April 8, 2024 9:15am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Simplelogin is your friend.
        
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        April 8, 2024 10:36pm
  - Paul
    
    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/new-zealand-past-point-return-lucas-christopher-hhezc
    
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    April 8, 2024 2:41pm
- cmm
  
  Same info here:
  https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/best-countries-to-live-in/
  
  NZ number 15. Lower than many countries that 99% of people could not find on a map (WTF is Lichtenstein?).
  
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  April 8, 2024 8:30am
  - Taieri
    
    WTF is Lichtenstein?
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    A small principality in Europe. With the population similar in size to that of Invercargill. Just not as flat…
    
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    April 8, 2024 8:47am
    - wsk12345
      
      i went there years ago, accidentally while finding my way back from somewhere to Switzerland. I can’t even recall it, or where it was or even the lingo they spoke!
      
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      April 8, 2024 11:10am
  - MCōs
    
    I used to have a pretty good knowledge of where all these little biddy countries are, but since I met Americans who thought NZ was part of Europe or attached to Oz, it’s more of a need to know basis these days and I’ve certainly never needed to know where Lichtenstein is or if it even exists
    
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    April 8, 2024 8:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner was saying they have a top tax rate of 8%.
    
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    April 8, 2024 8:53am
    - MCōs
      
      They have a wealth tax, capital gains tax, something called a dedication tax, unemployment tax, pension tax “with an upper limit of 18% for self-employed and employed individuals”
      https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/liechtenstein/individual/other-taxes#:~:text=Value%2Dadded%20tax%20(VAT)&text=The%20general%20VAT%20rate%20is,newspapers%2C%20magazines%2C%20and%20books.
      
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      April 8, 2024 10:00am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Great if you’re a resident.
        You’d have most of your Trusts set up in the Cooks wouldn’t ya Cossie?
        
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        April 8, 2024 10:24am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘I’ve certainly never needed to know where Lichtenstein is or if it even exists’
        
        You’re showing a lot of interest though .
        
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        April 8, 2024 11:21am
      - MCōs
        
        When MP mentioned the low income tax I thought it might be interesting to see if the government had other revenue sources
        
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        April 8, 2024 12:13pm
      - slijmbal
        
        Stayed in Liechtenstein when driving to Austria for a skiing holiday.
        
        Lichtenstein was (and I think still is) a high wage, high cost of living, low tax regime and a tax haven. Haven’t checked recently but it had low GST, low income tax etc. I think dedication tax is gift tax.
        
        It is also very, very pretty and has a weird Monarchy/Democracy mix with the monarch having real powers.
        
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        April 8, 2024 4:34pm
  - cmm
    
    I don’t know how Lichtenstein can possibly be happy without cultural enrichment from the Mongrel Mob etc.
    
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    April 8, 2024 10:17am
- Souvlaki
  
  A profoundly depressing read…the more so because it’s all true :-(.
  Ardern should be incarcerated for treason.
  
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  April 8, 2024 10:16am
  - Jethrod
    
    Was that meant to be incinerated?
    
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    April 8, 2024 1:16pm
- Philview
  
  J had the misfortune yesterday to read a LinkedIn post by an American who met Jacinda Ardern. Apparently Jacinda shared her life philosophy with the man which was to be humble and be optimistic. There were quite a number of comments underneath essentially of the view that she is truly a great human being. That ruined my Sunday for a few hours contemplating the wreckage left in her wake and it seems she isn’t one for reflective hindsight.
  
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  April 8, 2024 1:04pm
softail 1450

2 1/2 yearsago, “I go to work with everything I need in the back of my ute and earn $95.00 an hour , you (he’s talking to me ) have your Workshop and tens of thousands of equipment to earn the same money”
Yesterday,, “I’ve run out of work and we are getting concerned about our payments for vehicles taxes and our mortgages”.
This from a good mate who is a house builder that is extremely worried about his and his family’s future, the next 2 years are going to be brutal…
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April 8, 2024 8:25am
- crackle
  
  Yep, probably longer more like 3-4 years.
  We’ve had a big sugar rush the crash is going to be brutal.
  
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  April 8, 2024 9:20am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I suspect it will be like the switch from the roaring 20s to the great depression. Nasty. Lots of entitled people turning very septic. Especially in the larger cities.
    
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    April 8, 2024 10:47pm
- pdm
  
  If he is in Hastings would he like to quote to replace the iron on our shed roof?
  
  We have one quote coming, a second outfit has not bothered after two calls and another option has gone on holiday before we could ask them.
  
  Want it done in the next 4/6weeks.
  
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  April 8, 2024 9:34am
  - artemisia
    
    If tradies don’t respond to requests for quotes there will be a reason. Smaller jobs are usually not worth it if it means going to site, talking to client, pricing and quoting, then hear nothing back. And can assume your quote is one of 2 or 3 and can be a race to the bottom pricewise.
    
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    April 8, 2024 3:12pm
    - pdm
      
      Not the first option Arty. We got their card and contact details when they did a smaller job for our neighbour’s a year or two ago.
      
      We would always let them know the outcome but, I can understand others do not.
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      April 8, 2024 5:37pm
      - artemisia
        
        Was just speaking generally pdm.
        
        Family tradies are (too) busy, been 5 years since we advertised for new clients but no longer employ staff so now no need to stress about forward work or all that admin. We do hire subbies on a project or expertise basis, payment by invoice. EZ.
        
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        April 8, 2024 7:12pm
- Anthony Melchett
  
  Same around here. Lots of building companies out of work but then they still refuse to advertise and quote on small jobs like fences and repairs.
  
  Money has come too easy for many and they forgot to build sustainable repeat business based on quality and good service.
  
  Back to the good old days of providing service and ringing people back, except the new generation don’t seem to be interested in this. They will get the result they deserve.
  
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  April 8, 2024 11:45am
  - cmm
    
    I think there are a lot of tradies who have had it easy over the last few years. Instead of realising these are fat years and salting it away they have increased their expenditure to match.
    
    When $90 to $100/hour is the base rate, then it is easy to pay the lease on a new top of the line Ford Ranger (~$1200pm or so) and fill it with new tools.
    
    Simultaneously they also took a few steps up the housing ladder because they could afford it.
    
    However if there is a downturn then they’re stuffed. They maybe need the $60/hr jobs, but they can’t make ends meet any more.
    
    A much better policy would have been to keep the old ute and stay in the more modest house and either use the extra money to pay down debt or save.
    
    If they’d done that they would be able to tighten their belts for a year or three and come out the other side just fine.
    
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    April 8, 2024 1:33pm
- cmm
  
  Was his ute an oversized Ford Ranger bought on the never never?
  
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  April 8, 2024 1:25pm
  - softail 1450
    
    CMM , how did you know that CMM ? 2 of them actually, it gives me zero satisfaction but I’m comforted by the knowledge that he’ll do what’s necessary to come through his predicament without losing his pants as he’s done it the last time it happened in 2008 ,unfortunately he forgot about that crisis .
    
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    April 8, 2024 5:28pm
I remember when

Have Pfizer missed a marketing opportunity?
Should they be saying their vaccination only guarantees short-term possible prevention of covid.
However, on the plus side, although they are unable to ascertain the possible reasons why, it reduces the possibility of hospitalisation from covid and reduces all cause deaths.
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April 8, 2024 8:34am
MCōs

Today is the Feast of the Annunciation when the Virgin Mary found out from the Angel Gabriel she would be mother of Jesus Christ
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April 8, 2024 8:40am
Maggie Pie

It’s six months to the day since the Iranian backed HAMAS terrorists surprise invasion of Israel. Slaughtering, raping, torturing more than 1200 innocent Israelis. Men, Women, Chlidren, & Babies. Also kidnapping more than 250 and dragging them back to Gaza, many of whivh they have murdered.

Wonder if Chloe and the rest of the Green Party keyiffah wearing Jew haters will be out there today chanting in support?

A reminder if it’s needed….

https://hamas-massacre.net
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April 8, 2024 8:41am
- CJames
  
  There is an article in Daily Sceptic on an interesting poll in the UK.
  https://dailysceptic.org/2024/04/07/just-one-in-four-british-muslims-believe-hamas-committed-murder-and-rape-in-israel/
  Most Muslims want blasphemy laws to be re-introduced and many sharia law. The most worrying bit is at the end.
  “Younger and well-educated Muslims were the most likely to think Hamas did not commit atrocities on October 7th, with the proportions rising to 47% among 18 to 24 year-olds and 40% among the university-educated.”
  If the same proportions are here, they are not us.
  
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  April 8, 2024 8:49am
  - Taieri
    
    If the same proportions are here, they are not us.
    ———
    
    You never know…
    
    “Queenstown locals of all faiths and backgrounds celebrated Ramadan on Friday evening.”
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/ramadan-celebration-‘about-reinforcing-fact-everyone-welcome’
    
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    April 8, 2024 8:53am
    - CJames
      
      I don’t think 35 attendees, many of whom were representatives, is “all faiths and backgrounds”
      
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      April 8, 2024 9:03am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “”It is all about education and reinforcing the fact everyone is welcome in our space, no matter their background or faith.””
      
      Would they have welcomed a Jewish man wearing a kippah? Of course not.
      
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      April 8, 2024 9:06am
      - PurplePen
        
        Or a drag queen in full drag?
        
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        April 8, 2024 12:05pm
  - Inandout
    
    CJ, many gays support Islam. Figure that one out.
    
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    April 8, 2024 8:54am
    - Ghost
      
      Really, most? You’ve come to that conclusion how? By seeing some rent a crowd protestors and idiots.
      
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      April 8, 2024 9:08am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Doesnt say most, says many…
        
        Before getting triggered… Read the post you are replying to….
        
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        April 8, 2024 9:57am
      - Ghost
        
        Many, most, it still bullshit statement
        
        Triggered? Oh please, if you think it is triggered to disagree with someone bullshitting then you need a safe space on this blog.
        
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        April 8, 2024 10:00am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Ahhh Ghost makes an error.. Gets called and then lashes out. Seriously you need to chill….
        
        Many doesnt mean most. Basic comprehension skills. You undermine your point by creating a strawman to rail against. It’s kind of tedious to see ….
        
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        April 8, 2024 10:39am
      - Ghost
        
        Do you understand conversation? How is replying to you lashing out? Seriously are you in need of a safe room if you can’t take discussion?
        
        Actually I said many, most same thing, it is bullshit, many or most gay people do not support Islam. It is a bullshit statement made by someone who has seen a few rent a crowd protesters parading around. Many and most gays don’t even go to those protests and are against what the militant lgb… people are up to
        
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        April 8, 2024 11:05am
      - Taieri
        
        Many, most, it still bullshit statement
        ———–
        
        How do you know?
        Do you profess to have an insight into what gays think of Islam? Or anything else? On what basis?
        
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        April 8, 2024 10:43am
      - Ghost
        
        Let’s see, In my early life counselling gay youth, a large portion of gay friends. And common sense.
        
        Do you often judge people based on the actions of a very small minority of them?
        
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        April 8, 2024 11:10am
      - marcw
        
        Hilarious, now poor Ghost has backed him/herself into a corner after cancelling/redefining the use of the word “many”, resorts to “a large portion”. What next from the Kiwiblog Head Prefect – “Don’t you know who I am?”
        
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        April 8, 2024 11:48am
      - Ghost
        
        No I haven’t. Nice try. I stand by my statement, many gay people don’t support Islam, and most gay people don’t either.
        
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        April 8, 2024 11:50am
      - Taieri
        
        Let’s see, In my early life counselling gay youth,
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        And all those gay youth that you counselled in your early life had an opinion on Islam?
        Amazing…
        
        No, I don’t judge people based on the actions of the small minority of them. I try to judge the actions, not the people.
        
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        April 8, 2024 11:44am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        And you call your strawman a discussion lol… And when called on your strawman you say I need a safe space etc.
        
        Wow. Know thyself ghost….. If you want to critique others statements do them and the rest of the readers the courtesy of accurately repeating in the critique what they ACTUALLY said…
        
        Enjoy your day
        
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        April 8, 2024 1:00pm
    - CJames
      
      I don’t think it is gays as such as many of them are quite conservative- more like to be the woke alphabet soupers.
      I gather they wouldn’t attend Hamas organised rooftop parties in case they find out that they are the main attraction.
      
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      April 8, 2024 9:13am
      - PurplePen
        
        Well if the rooftop party was clothing optional, men only with plenty of lube and condoms to hand I might be persuaded to go.
        
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        April 8, 2024 12:08pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Gays supporting Islam is like chickens supporting KFC.
      
      To be fair, women supporting Islam is a bit like that too.
      
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      April 8, 2024 4:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Pretty sure there’s even some who comment here 🙁
    
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    April 8, 2024 8:57am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Do they think the things they did weren’t atrocities, or that they simply didn’t do them?
    
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    April 8, 2024 12:24pm
    - david
      
      Fair question Chris. It then becomes a matter of semantics and the poll becomes bullshit, the “news” about the poll is then misleading (more likely tho’ it is leading) and the public is no better informed.
      What a shitstorm of nothingness leading one to question why he should actually give a dam about nuance and just get on with being judgemental – either hating their guts with a passion, or embracing their compassion and loving nature.
      I’ve decided – have you?
      
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      April 8, 2024 2:51pm
  - Paulus
    
    Is it not correct that some forms of Sharia Law are practiced in parts of the UK for some years ?
    
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    April 8, 2024 2:08pm
  - Local Miller
    
    Based on the down ticks on Maggie Pie’s post, it looks like 15% of the people on this blog are also “not us”.
    
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    April 8, 2024 4:36pm
- slijmbal
  
  I suspect the majority of the Hamas hostages are already dead explaining why Hamas demanded a complete cease fire, removal of IDF, return of large numbers of Palestinian prisoners etc.
  
  This guarantees no deal and they can claim Israel is negotiating in bad faith.
  
  Having said that, I also suspect that Israel has no intentions of stopping until they have decimated Hamas.
  
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  April 8, 2024 4:46pm
  - Matt Long
    
    I think the Israeli government is looking to annihilate anyone connected with the terror attacks, not just one in ten.
    
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    April 8, 2024 6:45pm
sungsamning

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/04/biden-admin-issues-rule-to-thwart-trump-ability-to-fire-biden-executive-branch-holdovers-if-he-wins/
Biden Admin Issues Rule To Thwart Trump Ability To Fire Biden Executive Branch Holdovers If He Wins.
Biden Admin Issues Rule To Thwart Trump Ability To Fire Biden Executive Branch Holdovers If He Wins
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April 8, 2024 9:02am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EWIETRCblE
Labour super-majority – ‘the Conservative party could evaporate’ | SpectatorTV.
If the polls are to be believed, the Conservatives could be reduced to less than 100 MPs after the next election, and Keir Starmer will be sitting with one of the largest majorities in parliamentary history. But what would this super-majority look like, with the Labour Party in effect both the government and the opposition? Fraser Nelson speaks to former Political Secretary to Tony Blair, John McTernan.
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April 8, 2024 9:03am
- Ford Prefect
  
  It looks to my uneducated eye, that every country that locked its citizens down has annoyed their voters so much they are voting for a change of government in order to show their displeasure.
  The problem with many countries is that they had a right leaning government locking them down, and they are about to look to a bunch of Socialists as an alternative (see Australia and USA). Those that had Marxists in charge will return to leaning right and getting their economy back in order (NZ and hopefully Canada).
  The UK is in a lot of trouble if they think the answer to their problems lies with the Labour Party
  
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  April 8, 2024 10:17am
  - sungsamning
    
    Not a lot of daylight between the ‘Con-servatives’ and Labour now.
    
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    April 8, 2024 3:48pm
- Che Guava
  
  After 14 years of destroying the country and acting against the wishes of much of their voting base, the Tories deserve to be wiped out. After years of voting for them out of habit and just “because they aren’t the other lot,” the UK has become so bad now that the electorate is seeing the limitations of swapping the two parties over every 5 years for little effect. National should take note.
  
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  April 8, 2024 10:33am
I remember when

How to make polluters pay: NY Times.
“A group of US senators calculated a federal climate superfund would raise $500 billion, and New York officials said a statewide measure would collect $30 million.”
“The underlying goal of this bill is not about reducing carbon emissions,” Senator Nader Hashim said on the Vermont Senate floor last week. “This is about reducing the costs for Vermont taxpayers.”

We don’t want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg!
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April 8, 2024 9:06am
- cmm
  
  “A group of US senators calculated a federal climate superfund would raise $500 billion”
  
  Yup, $500bn would just fall out of the sky. You’d have to be crazy to walk past that!
  
  Of course the $500bn can only come from one place – out of the economy – ie basically out of taxpayers’ pockets .
  $500bn means about $1500 for every man, woman and child in USA.
  
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  April 8, 2024 1:39pm
imalwaysright

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/04/08/gang-linked-hastings-van-shooting-police-reviewing-cctv/

Relax, the cops are saying its an “isolated incident ”

Like all the previous “isolated incidents ” !
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April 8, 2024 9:10am
- CJames
  
  Was it done by a “lone wolf” or is that the wrong group?
  
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  April 8, 2024 9:14am
  - pdm
    
    Big numbers on one side at least so I hear.
    
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    April 8, 2024 9:36am
  - Paul
    
    Police are now saying that breathing in is an isolated incident.
    
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    April 8, 2024 7:06pm
- kowtow
  
  Extraordinary , the relative lack of “news” on this outrageous incident.
  
  It is no exageration to say that some parts of this country and certainly a percentage of people now appear to be “beyond the Pale”.
  
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  April 8, 2024 11:27am
- Keith White
  
  So, a single-shot shotgun, not a side-by-side…
  
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  April 8, 2024 12:23pm
- cmm
  
  Nothing to do with gangs.
  
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  April 8, 2024 1:40pm
Maggie Pie

They say Madagascar is nice this time of year…..

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1776708960361369612
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April 8, 2024 9:18am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Backfire: Woke Influencer Accidentally Makes the BEST Case for Trump.
Agenda 47.
With these types of people speaking against him he won’t even have to campaign……they are doing it for him!

https://rumble.com/v4i1n89-backfire-woke-influencer-accidentally-makes-the-best-case-for-trump.html?
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April 8, 2024 9:19am
- Rich Prick
  
  Apart from the flying car bit, all of that sounds reasonable and sensible. I think she/he makes a great case for voting Trump.
  
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  April 8, 2024 9:38am
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons just how Adrian Orr remains as Reserve Bank Govenor….. is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside a chocolate lamington.

This from Damien Grant in Stuffed –

“If the public believes the Reserve Bank has the will and capability to manage inflation over the medium term, monetary policy will need to react less forcefully to shocks than it would otherwise.
The reality is, we don’t, and it is time for some University somewhere to offer Adrian a position. Somewhere. Anywhere.”

https://stuff.co.nz/politics/350235132/reserve-bank-govenor-adrian-orrs-continued-tenure-intolerable-damien-grant-says
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April 8, 2024 9:40am
- Grunter
  
  A good article Maggie.
  
  Adrian Orr is a complete joke with what he (and Robertson) have done.
  
  I predict his ‘war on inflation’ is about to hit another major spanner – the price of Oil is shooting up (it’s now around US$90/barrel).
  
  Last year the price of oil dropped, but we still had inflation much higher than the RBNZ band of 1%-3%. So what happens when petrol & diesel prices at the pump go up?
  
  Is the ME war going to end tensions anytime soon? (No). So at best oil will hover around $90-$100/barrel. But if the war escalates then we will likely see the 1970’s oil price shock repeat itself. Important to also realise that the Iranians can dictate terms on the Strait of Hormuz, or at least severely interrupt shipping. If that happens then the siht will certainly hit the fan.
  
  Dropping the OCR in that environment would be nuts.
  
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  April 8, 2024 10:18am
  - Paulus
    
    Every wage increase above the current rate of inflation, and there are many, only delay the rate reductions.
    
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    April 8, 2024 11:30am
    - Jack5
      
      America’s top central banker, Jerome Powell, chairman of the Federal Reserve, in January last year at a meeting of the Economic Club of Washington DC, said in reply to a question that he makes about $US190,000 per year — about $NZ316,000.
      
      At the meeting, Powell, one of the key figures in global financial markets, was asked whether he thought his salary was fair. Powell said he thought it was.
      
      By GDP, the United States economy is 93 times as big as New Zealand’s.
      
      Adrian Orr, the Reserve Bank of NZ govenor, was paid $853,810 for the 2022-2023 financial year.
      
      Seven years ago, the Reserve Bank of NZ governor before Adrian Orr was earning a whisker under $650,000 a year and then Prime Minister, Bill English, said there was pressure from the bank board, presumably to raise the salary.
      
      English seemed unhappy with Super Fund directors who at that time had given Adrian Orr a 30 per cent raise in his job as fund chief executive.
      
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      April 8, 2024 2:36pm
    - miltonF
      
      Indeed. Looking at some of the pay increases I’ve seen people get, especially in the public sector, I don’t envisage inflation trending down anytime soon.
      
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      April 8, 2024 3:14pm
I remember when

Two weeks ago I travelled from Palmerston North to Foxton on a secondary arterial road before joining State Highway One.
Speed limit – 50 kph, 60 kph, 100 kph, 70 kph, 100 kph, 50 kph, 100 kph, 70 kph, Foxton 50 kph.
The distance is approximately 37 kilometres.
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April 8, 2024 9:43am
- rockape
  
  I think ican top that with my regular commute from Wakefield to Nelson. 50/70,50/60/80/70/50/100/70/50/60/50. Distance 32km. That’s why I bought a radar detector!
  
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  April 8, 2024 10:25am
- Countrygirl
  
  It’s crazy isn’t it? Round Lake Taupo the speed limit keeps changing and I get confused as to which zone I am in now. There seems little rhyme or reason to many of the changes.
  
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  April 8, 2024 11:34am
  - Observer of Life
    
    CountryGirl: I believe they’ve done this on purpose so they confuse us, we unknowingly break the law, they gather revenue.
    
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    April 8, 2024 1:34pm
BeaB

Who’d have thought? Trust in news media has fallen. The most trusted, the ODT, scores only 5/10. According to the academics on RNZ, it’s mainly due to us right-wingers who don’t understand what news is reliable and what is not because we are a bit dim. And of course there’s that dastardly social media that some of us actually have some faith in.
Just like teachers who blame the kids for their own failures, RNZ and the academics basically placed the blame on the general public.
Just one day of headlines, news stories and news items is enough to show exactly how partisan, superficial and selective our news media actually are.
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April 8, 2024 9:43am
- Grunter
  
  Here is the actual report.
  https://www.jmadresearch.com/_files/ugd/a95e86_cc317afe8a414d69a47c034735e58854.pdf
  
  I actually participated in this research, obviously my scores helped bring down the average!
  
  From the report:
  “In 2020, 53% of New Zealanders said they trusted the news in general. In 2024, that figure was at 33%. In five years, general trust in the news has fallen 20%”
  
  NZ now at a significantly lower level of trust than the international benchmark which is at 40%.
  
  All MSM scored badly. The ODT ranked highest at 5/10 but most were 4 to 4.9 – so hardly something that the ODT should claim as “Most Trusted”
  
  Good riddance to all of them!
  
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  April 8, 2024 10:54am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “In 2020, 53% of New Zealanders said they trusted the news in general. In 2024, that figure was at 33%. In five years, general trust in the news has fallen 20 percentage points.”
    
    There. Fixed it for you.
    A 20% fall from 53% is (53 x 0.8) = 42.4%
    (42.4% is 20% lower than 53%)
    
    A decline from 53 to 33 is around 40%.
    
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    April 8, 2024 1:04pm
    - Apteryx
      
      Exactly right. That kind of ignorance about statistics is common in the MSM, and it’s even more disappointing to see it exhibited by media researchers.
      
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      April 8, 2024 2:27pm
- Burtland
  
  Kathryn Ryan seemed to think the rise in opinion pieces was the reason – reporting real news is apparently too expensive
  
  seems the opinions of GenZ are unpalatable
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018933307/new-report-shows-major-drop-in-media-trust
  
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  April 8, 2024 11:46am
Jack5

I’m with Consumer NZ in being suspicious of the sought merger of the North Island and South Island Foodstuffs supermarket co-operatives.

It’s good to have a retailer locally attuned in the South Island.

Doubtless some of the gains sought will come from more concentrated wholesaling – and that will mean more concentration in Auckland.

With the Southern Alps fault overdue for a mammoth quake, the south needs as much food supply stored locally as possible.

Then there are the thieving raiders wheeling goods out of Auckland’s supermarkets.

Should Auckland crime costs be shared by southerners?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350237751/newsable-what-potential-foodstuffs-merger-means-your-wallet
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April 8, 2024 9:56am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Foodstuffs used to be 3 companies. Auck/North, Wellington and SI.
  The two NI ones merged ok.
  
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  April 8, 2024 11:13am
Pineapple Lumps

Ben Yu – yesterday you asserted that there was nothing abnormal about Tarrant purchasing large amounts of ammunition. I have found the article, which shows this had to have police approval. So seems like another flag that was missed.

“The man accused of the March 15 terror attack was supplied 2300 rounds of ammunition by using a police mail order form that also revealed to police he had an AR-15, a parliamentary select committee has been told.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/submitter-claims-police-authorised-sale-of-ammunition-to-alleged-christchurch-gunman/GLQFN2KEI6Z4S5PBZ7CRQAW66M/
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April 8, 2024 9:56am
- Colville
  
  Its all a bit strange as he can walk into any sport shop and buy 500 rounds of .223 Rem and not have to offer any reason. Dosent have to tell them what gun he has. Its like he was trying to leave a paper trail!
  
  (weird also that 223 ammo has doubled in price in last few years, now $2 a pop. Used to be .70cents for the cheap shit)
  
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  April 8, 2024 10:59am
- imalwaysright
  
  Pineapple,
  I don’t see your point.
  So the police enabled a person with no bona fides to possess a weapon designed to kill many people in a short time and then enabled him to buy 2300 rounds of ammunition for said weapon!
  What’s so unusual about that?!
  
  Thanks for the link.
  
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  April 8, 2024 11:10am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    imalwaysright, you are right, nothing to see here, move along.
    
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    April 8, 2024 8:19pm
- Paulus
  
  Shhh, we are not to suppose to know this !
  
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  April 8, 2024 2:11pm
- Keith White
  
  Notice the Ferald treats this as a ‘claim’. Whereas the Police themselves reported it as a fact. Lucky the media have layers and layers of factcheckers.
  
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  April 8, 2024 2:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

TOW Comic for school students. Part 40.
The lies in the comic.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/analysis-treaty-of-waitangi-comic-for-high-school-students-has-been-quietly-brainwashing-away-since-2018-part-40/
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April 8, 2024 10:05am
Maggie Pie

“Somebody could get rear-ended”.

Looks like the U.S. have the same problem with ‘RAINBOW CROSSINGS’
as we do here…..

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1776386429473739067
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April 8, 2024 10:15am
Chuck Bird

War against Hamas is ‘far from over’ says Israeli Knesset member

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01hWqftZxKk
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April 8, 2024 10:18am
vand

“Next minute the hapless Palestinians in Gaza are told it’s all their fault for voting for Hamas”

Well they voted for Hamas in 2007 – no election for 17 years- Hamas version of democracy? Gazans must be content with their miserable lot -75% support Hamas in a recent poll.
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April 8, 2024 10:27am
Maggie Pie

Title of the book: “How much is a dead Jew worth?”

‘The Palestinian Authority compensates the families of HAMAS terrorists
on a monthly basis, in proportion to the amount of harm they inflict on Jews.
Those who are killed while committing terrorist attacks gain Martyr status,
and their families receive stipends for life’.

– Tablet Magazine.
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April 8, 2024 10:41am
- Che Guava
  
  From my calculations, based on 6 million Jews, it’s about 13,333 Euros. But that’s just from German taxpayers, so who knows what the total payout has been.
  
  Who knew that Germany was still paying out to Jews 80 years after the fact? But 80 years later, the number of actual survivors must be almost be zero by now, so I assume it will end very shortly.
  
  Sheesh, it’s like these endless Treaty settlements, isn’t it? Good money if you can get it.
  
  https://apnews.com/article/holocaust-survivor-compensation-fund-germany-0d35aa1cba7756d1b9b6008e9d7841b7
  
  “The organization that handles claims on behalf of Jews who suffered under the Nazis said Thursday that Germany agreed to pay approximately $1.2 billion (euros) to Holocaust survivors living around the world in 2023, bringing its total compensation to more than 80 billion euros.
  
  The announcement came as Germany marked the 70th anniversary of the signing of the so-called Luxembourg Agreements, a reparations pact that made it possible for Holocaust survivors to receive a measure of justice for the Nazi persecution of Jews during World War II.”
  
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  April 8, 2024 11:03am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Morning Che! Sleep in?
    
    Did you see the vids I posted earlier showing the Oct 7 massacre….check my post @ 8:41 am. Be intersted to get your take on them as well.
    
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    April 8, 2024 11:36am
    - Che Guava
      
      What’s that got to do with the billions of reparations guilt-tripped out of the Germans for the last 80 years? No wonder “holocaust denial” is illegal in Germany, given what is at stake.
      
      Nobody denies that Israelis were killed on Oct 7th, but great efforts are being made to deny that the Israelis have killed orders of magnitude more Palestinians subsequently.
      
      Unfortunately, none of the images or footage on that website are any worse than the footage we’ve all seen of the tens of thousands of dead Palestinians. Or do you think that Jewish lives matter more than Arab ones? Ultimately, war is hell, I’m sure you’d agree.
      
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      April 8, 2024 1:35pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Guava: “Sheesh, it’s like these endless Treaty settlements, isn’t it? Good money if you can get it.”
    
    Nice try. As you know, you are disingenuously comparing literal genocide to investigations into alleged historical cases of wrongly confiscated land.
    
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    April 8, 2024 11:02pm
Chuck Bird

Israel must and will defeat Hamas

Don’t Expect the NY Times to Report This Awful Hamas Detail | Ron Dermer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BAvhe2DPU
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April 8, 2024 10:48am
- Che Guava
  
  What does “defeat” for Hamas look like Chuck? What are the victory conditions?
  
  As I posted the other day, so long as Israelis are oppressing and killing Palestinians, there will always be a “Hamas” or some other entity with whatever name you give it fighting back on behalf of Palestinians.
  
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  April 8, 2024 11:06am
  - newview
    
    Take your point CG but Hamas out of the Gaza strip would look like a victory for the Israelis. Certainly would give them a buffer but the chance of getting them ALL out is fanciful
    
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    April 8, 2024 12:02pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Defeat means killing or capturing the leaders of Hamas and stopping Hamas from having brigades. It will not be possible to kill of capture every individual member of Hamas.
    
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    April 8, 2024 1:31pm
    - Che Guava
      
      Not going to happen, Chuck. Every dead Palestinian parent makes a child a potential enemy of Israel in the future. This is what an endless cycle of violence looks like.
      
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      April 8, 2024 1:41pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Spell out succinctly what plan of action you want from Israel Guava?
        
        Guarantee it’s unrealistic and impossible BS.
        
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        April 8, 2024 11:05pm
    - Graeme Hall
      
      History might suggest otherwise.
      
      https://www.amazon.com/End-Everything-Wars-Descend-Annihilation/dp/1541673522
      
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      April 8, 2024 4:30pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      So are you officially announcing IDF war on Qatar?
      
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      April 8, 2024 5:43pm
Maggie Pie

It’s a crazy mixed up world we live in isn’t it?

Thinking to myself earlier, if I posted the gory details of what my partner actually SAID when he described that filthy 15 year old animal who raped and degraded those three poor underage girls, (and got nothing but a fine he’ll never pay)…. if we lived in Scotland, it would be my partner who would be arrested for “hate speesh” and probably jailed for 5 years.

jUST SAYING
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April 8, 2024 11:58am
- Cassandra
  
  There was a day, Maggie, when the little shit would not have sat down comfortably for a week. While I abhor the routine brutality of earlier school years, for some people a good dose of the birch is the only thing that’ll work.
  
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  April 8, 2024 12:31pm
  - Keith White
    
    I do not recall how old I was exactly but primary school age. One of my local playmates, a sad little girl, had a mother who cried a lot and we littl’uns did not know why but knew enough to be scared of her husband / our playmate’s father. He was a hitter of both wife and child.
    
    Some time later a group of the local husbands and fathers got together and it seems they discussed with the wife-and-child-beater, some reasons to change his behaviour. (Much, much later I found out he’d been in hospital for 4 months afterwards). Regardless, the situation improved.
    
    As an adult I don’t see that as routine and brutal as much as I see it as earned and effective.
    
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    April 8, 2024 2:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dose of the birch?
    How about the leather drive belt from a Singer treadle sewing machine?
    
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    April 8, 2024 3:21pm
  - MCōs
    
    In the good old days, as we are now finding, many much older males got away with that sort of behaviour in our fine religious boarding schools
    Did the police become involved at the time?
    Did anyone listen to the boys at the time?
    Did they get a ‘good dose of the birch’?
    Did the parents even know?
    Back in those days the parents listened to the religious leadership
    
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    April 8, 2024 3:57pm
    - MCōs
      
      Here’s a chap who was at our school
      Everyone knew about his evil ways
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129227417/in-plain-sight–the-paedophile-headteacher-who-escaped-justice-for-50-years
      
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      April 8, 2024 4:08pm
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Are those precedents a reason not to jail this rapist now? Sorry, I cannot see the relevance.
      
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      April 8, 2024 4:34pm
Ra Henare

Reading about AUT Trust report on media.

2 points.

Trust in RNZ fell 7.5 per cent.

In June last year, it was revealed an RNZ sub-editor had added pro-Kremlin content to articles about the Ukraine-Russia war.

It could have been said that the subbie had added balance to a biased (pro Ukrainina) Report.???

That may have added to us peasant readers trust in RNZ??? ie a bit of balance.

2. Article:
TVNZ plans to cut popular and profitable shows such as Fair Go and Sunday

That doesn’t make sense. Trying to save money so cut profitable shows.. or to quote NZ Herald from March.
state broadcaster’s bid to stay “sustainable”.

Then the article continues!!!
as part of a proposal to axe 68 roles

So either the shows are profitable or not???

and then we are told, no surprise, that we don’t trust the media. Or the dumbarse Journos that write this crap.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/aut-media-trust-survey-the-most-and-least-trusted-media-companies/P6E34KG7SJCNVCJD4VZCJMPRCA/
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April 8, 2024 12:15pm
PurplePen

Borrowed letter sent to Peters and Seymour. But I agree with it all.
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The Federation of Islamic Associations of NZ is pushing Luxon on the issue and want Faith recognised as a “protected characteristic” under law. You need to keep Luxon in check on this one.

Abdur Razzaq is disappointed the Govt dropped the hate speech law and is now pushing for “hate crimes” to be added to the statute books. He gives an example of someone telling a Muslim to go home – as a hate “crime”.

That’s a problem right there, not only is “hate” subjective, Razzaq, who is on the Royal Commission set up for the Mosque attack already is conflating crime with speech.

We already have adequate laws for those human characteristics that are immutable such as sex, age, race and disability.

Religion is a subset of belief. You must include belief if you’re going to include religion as there are secular beliefs. However, the many different beliefs are not an immutable human characteristic. For example anyone can convert to a religion or a belief system.

Who then decides which beliefs, secular and religious, are valid ones for which you can hate. Does the Ministry of Hate maintain a list? You can’t actually leave out any belief as it’s not up to a government to determine that one belief system is more important or more valid than another.

What if you utter an innocuous statement and the person standing next to you hears it and decides it’s very hateful to their obscure belief or religion.

And what about the brutally hateful statements against women and homosexuals in any of the religious texts Torah, Quran and Bible which any religious leader might read our when in mosque or church or are in public libraries with no censorship.
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April 8, 2024 12:23pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  If you convert from Islam to any other religion you are an apostate and the usual punishment is death.
  
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  April 8, 2024 1:07pm
  - Jack5
    
    Muslims with views like those expressed by Razzaq want the living standards of the West but with the culture and customs of Islam. Impossible.
    
    Imagine the pressure on free speech in NZ if Muslims made up 20 per cent of the population instead of the present 1 to 2 per cent.
    
    When it comes to freedom of speech, let’s adopt a phrase from an enemy of democracy. The famous do-or-die command in Stalin’s Order No. 674 on 28 July 1942 : “Not a step back! “
    
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    April 8, 2024 1:39pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      “Imagine the pressure on free speech in NZ if Muslims made up 20 per cent of the population instead of the present 1 to 2 per cent.”
      
      Now change Muslims in that sentence to:
      1. Trans activists
      2. Māori activists
      3. Climate change activists
      
      and the sentiment remains pretty much the same.
      
      Interestingly, added together these groups are pretty much the Green Party, so no surprises that Chloe wants hate speech laws. However, shouting a chant that is widely understood to proclaim the destruction of Israel isn’t hate speech. Because hate speech is what Chloe defines it to be or what is determined by Jacinda “you know it when you see it.” Thank goodness they aren’t in power now!
      
      Why do we allow the UN to push refugees from the above groups (excluding Māori) into our country? Surely there are loads of more culturally and ideologically aligned people who could be settled here. Where else in the world has it created a peaceful harmonious society through mixing radically divergent groups together?
      
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      April 8, 2024 8:36pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  He probably would like someone prosecuted for saying Mohamad was a warlord and a paedophile.
  
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  April 8, 2024 1:35pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Purple Pen, are you triggered by the bible calling out homosexuality?
  
  The hateful thing the bible actually says is we are all sinners, but we can all be made perfect through Jesus. So, it is our choice to invite Jesus to be Lord of our life and be sanctified or not.
  
  Wouldn’t it be more hateful for a believer to not share this message?
  
  “Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
  
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  April 8, 2024 8:59pm
cas

The latest Listener has a photo of the Notre Dame in flames, 5 years ago. Now its new spire has been lifted into place and it is due to re-open in December, though there will be ongoing renovations and repairs.

5 years compared with Christchurch Cathedral. Just saying.
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April 8, 2024 12:33pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Has it got a minaret yet?
  
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  April 8, 2024 1:08pm
- Colville
  
  Having a couple of Billionaires have a dick swing competition and throw a few hundred Mil$ into the pot probably helped Notre Dame??
  
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  April 8, 2024 2:39pm
- MCōs
  
  The was no question that the Notre Dame would be repaired and from what I can make out at least $NZ1.5bill is going to be spent
  I think a lot of that is from private donors
  
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  April 8, 2024 3:33pm
Maggie Pie

Here we go Che… can’t say the Jews don’t have a sense of humor 😀

My bestie from tennis just sent this link tagged as –

“Reminds me of our flat in Castle Street”

https://twitter.com/Morbidful/status/1776993165418848643
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April 8, 2024 12:43pm
- Che Guava
  
  Oh sure, nobody doubts that Catholics, Gypsies, Communists and Jews etc. were put in camps, but then again, everyone was doing the concentration camp thing back then: the pioneering efforts of the Soviets for many years before hand (where frequently the Gulags were managed by Jews, ironically), the Americans (i.e. internment camps for Japanese Americans), and then after the war, the Allies had concentration camps for Germans, while the Soviets did the same in the territories they obtained during the war and as part of the “carving up of Europe” among the victorious allies.
  
  History is, in large part, a compendium of domination and oppression, and nobody is uniquely guilty or uniquely victimised.
  
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  April 8, 2024 1:23pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Guava: “Nobody is uniquely guilty or uniquely victimised. ”
    
    Disingenuous. There was no comparison between the Japanese interned in the US and the Nazi death camps or the Commie Gulags. Again you use this BS to insert the insinuation The Joos were somehow evil scum.
    
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    April 8, 2024 11:10pm
The Housekeeper

Mags, the raped virgin was completely ripped off. $1000 when she could have sold it for $45,000, I hope she appeals.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nz-teen-sells-virginity-to-a-stranger-for-45k/XYBJDZUJZIZ6DXS3XUOSWXPEE4/
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April 8, 2024 1:17pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Goodness! Sounds like I took my eye off the balls 🙁
  
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  April 8, 2024 1:45pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Interesting that.
  If we had a capital gains tax that $45,000 would be taxable, whereas under present tax law it is the sale of a capital asset and, accordingly, tax free..
  
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  April 8, 2024 3:06pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  You can sue in New Zealand small claims court for losses up to $30,000. No lawyers involved. Hope she goes for it because now she can’t sell her virginity anymore (not saying she would have but could have).
  
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  April 8, 2024 6:19pm
Keith White

Gosh. New news from the world of science.

“More than a quarter of participants in a study from Saudi Arabia reported cardiac complications after receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, and many of them required hospitalization or intensive care.

“The study, led by microbiologist and immunologist Muazzam M. Sheriff and colleagues at Ibn Sina National College for Medical Studies and King Faisal General Hospital, revealed that 27.11% of the surveyed individuals experienced heart-related issues post-COVID-19 vaccination.

“The onset of cardiac complications varied among participants, with 14.55% experiencing symptoms within one month of vaccination and others reporting issues up to 12 months or longer.

(Study available online at Cureus portal).
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April 8, 2024 1:43pm
BeaB

It’s a funny old world when Luxon is lampooned for saying ‘take a decision’ when it was perfectly fine for Ardern to say she hadn’t taken a decision.

We don’t trust the media because they are so hopelessly one-eyed.
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April 8, 2024 2:07pm
Paulus

Am I becoming cautious in that part of the election result was that those now in power were going to moderate the Maori diaspora, who have over the 6 Ardern years come to suggest, and for us to see, that we are to change everything to Maori particularly the naming without authority of the Departments.
As a small department St John Ambulance have lost considerable charity, by doing so.
I believe that three departments have partly done so, and the we are hearing that the others will carry on doing whatever they want.
The Public Service attitude is now so anti Government that there is little chance of a second term, as everything they formulate will be ignored particularly in respect of anything Maori, as they know this will piss off the Government, and get the voting public back onside against such.
So in all fairness it is not the Maori who appear to have won the Second Battle of Waitangi, but many of the white liberals, believed to be mainly older Public Service women, who will continue their interpretation of why Maori shall continue to carry the day which they are doing now.
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April 8, 2024 2:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Michael Laws with Julian Batchelor.
https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/julian-batchelor-on-maori-names-for-government-departments
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April 8, 2024 3:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Seems PM Chris Luxon is not on the Christmas Card List.
  Luxon is taking the wrong path just to appease Maori – why?
  
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  April 8, 2024 3:15pm
  - pdm
    
    No one will say why Taumata Arowaii still exists.
    
    I have emailed both National and ACT parties.
    Just like the previous Labour Govt – no.one replies
    
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    April 8, 2024 5:53pm
mandk

They are not us:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/04/imam-and-dairy-farmer-reza-abdul-jabbar-fined-215-000-over-migrant-worker-exploitation.html

I hope he, and other migrant labour exploiters, are kicked out of the country if they don’t have citizenship (shame we can’t revoke it, once granted).
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April 8, 2024 3:20pm
Jack5

Australia is getting into a lather over the shutdown of the 3G cellphone network, which the Australian Broadcasting Corporation means more than a millioin phones will be blocked from Australia’s triple-zero emergency calling.

The ABC says More than a million mobile phones could be cut off from calling triple-0 within months.

In NZ, One NZ (formerlyl Vodafone), Spark, and 2degreees say they will shut down its 3G service this year.

In NZ, 3G phones include a host of “burners” – low cost text and talk only phones.

In Australia, Telstra will switch off its 3G network on June 30 and Optus is expected to switch off the network in September.

Australia’s Communications Minister Michelle Rowland said she was advised in March that approximately 740,000 Australians fell into that category. However, just one month later, that figure had been dramatically revised up to more than a million.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-08/million-iphone-android-devices-caught-out-3g-shutdown/103673864
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April 8, 2024 3:25pm
- NoFax
  
  These networks will be shut down from time to time as no longer profitable to maintain them. It happened before with “2G” and the CDMA network that telecom used to run. A 4G feature phone can be purchased for $50 in NZ. So not the end of the world.
  
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  April 8, 2024 7:20pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “A 4G feature phone can be purchased for $50 in NZ”
    
    Very likely a laggy and limited annoying piece of crap you’ll want to hurl at the wall sooner or later😆!
    
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    April 8, 2024 11:17pm
Hugh Jarse

Seems the media have traded the shovel in for a D10 to dig their own hole. One of them asked Luxon about politicians being responsible for the loss of trust in said media.
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April 8, 2024 5:41pm
Maggie Pie

What’s with HDPA mocking Lux all the time?
Never heard her do it to Jabcinda!

Somethings definately going on at ZB.
My partner’s mum was saying the other night she heard that left woke [Deleted – OTT, and don’t repeat this term here. mod.]
(who insists on being called ‘Rowmaaan’), spend half the night poking shit at Judith… suggesting she should attend a Space conference dressed as a Star-Wars character 🙁
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April 8, 2024 7:02pm
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  Wonder if ZB has signed up to the ESG suicide pact??
  
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  April 9, 2024 10:39pm
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  Oooh what did you say that the mod objected to…?!
  
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