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CJames

Is anyone aware of what the NZ government’s stance is on the new WHO proposals about major health problems like pandemics? It seems that the responsibility for management and decision-making goes from Parliament to overseas bureaucrats. If that is so, then that is a major constitutional change for which the electorate has had no input, let alone a vote. This is especially so as the UN bureaucrats have been proven to be both incompetent and liars. They are openly hostile to the Western world.
Overseas there is more than disquiet being expressed. In the US, they are trying to prevent it.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-whos-power-grab
What is being done here?
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April 5, 2024 8:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The Coalition Agreement required New Zealand to lodge a “reservation”, which means that New Zealand has pressed the pause button on joining.
  
  Michael Baker was upset. 😂
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/503646/coalition-s-who-policy-leaves-public-health-expert-baffled
  
  Helen Clark is extremely upset. 🤡😳
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350232015/why-helen-clark-weighing-almost-incomprehensible-pandemic-pact-hold#:~:text=Following%20the%202020%20outbreak%20of,less%20than%20a%20year%20later.
  
  The best course of action is generally the opposite of what Helen Clark thinks is a good idea.
  
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  April 5, 2024 8:15am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Correct.
    Do the opposite of Clark and Baker and their ilk.
    I would also question their loyalty to New Zealand.
    
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    April 5, 2024 9:38am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      You would question Helen Clark’s loyalty to NZ? It wasn’t Helen Clark that signed us up to UNDRIP – she described it as incompatible with NZ democracy.
      
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      April 5, 2024 12:21pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        I’m no fan of hers but fair point, well made.
        
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        April 6, 2024 2:08am
- sirknz
  
  Helen Clark is pushing it so it must be great for democracy across the motu…
  
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  April 5, 2024 8:26am
  - PurplePen
    
    Across the what?
    
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    April 5, 2024 5:14pm
- Mark Hanley
  
  Public health academic Michael Baker is baffled by the new government’s “incoherent” approach to World Health Organisation (WHO) regulations.
  
  IT IS A VERY GOOD SIGN THE DISHONEST BAKER IS BAFFLED.
  SHAME BAKER WASN’T BAFFLED DURING HIS COVID RANTS AND LIES.
  
  New Zealand’s new government has urgently lodged a reservation – a letter saying the country would not sign up yet – for amendments to WHO health regulations.
  
  It was part of National’s agreement with New Zealand First, which requires the government to ensure a ‘National Interest Test’ before New Zealand accepts any United Nations agreements, or those from its agencies, “that limit national decision-making, and reconfirm that New Zealand’s domestic law holds primacy over any international agreements”.
  
  “As part of the above, by 1 December 2023 reserve against proposed amendments to WHO health regulations to allow the incoming government to consider these against a ‘National Interest Test’,” the agreement stated.
  
  That test would assess whether it is in New Zealand’s interests to sign up to proposed amendments,
  
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  April 5, 2024 8:36am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Mark,
    
    “That test would assess whether it is in New Zealand’s interests to sign up to proposed amendments”
    
    The problem now is defining what they mean by New Zealand .
    Is it the government ?
    Is it the general population?
    Or is it each and every separate New Zealander ?
    
    I don’t think it will be the individual, they have already stated the collective term New Zealand.
    Therefore there is no reason to assume that we will have our individual rights protected.
    
    Not much difference to the adern regime therefore we must demand that individual rights must be inalienable and paramount.
    
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    April 5, 2024 9:50am
    - Don Beckett
      
      This is removing New Zealand’s sovereignty – that is intolerable, & in my view, anyone who says that we should succumb to the WHO in this manner should be tried for treason.
      I can’t believe that any government would even consider this – One World Government anyone ?? !!
      
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      April 5, 2024 11:11am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I don’t know much about it. But I expect that the Government will sign up.
        
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        April 5, 2024 11:41am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        We’ve got adults in charge now lead by potentially the best prime minister nz ever had, so no need to worry….
        from the coalition agreement.
        
        Ensure a “National Interest Test” is undertaken before New Zealand accepts any agreements from the UN and its agencies that limit national decision-making and reconfirm that New Zealand’s domestic law holds primacy over any international agreements.
        
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        April 5, 2024 2:58pm
      - Jethrod
        
        We might just get away with it….. they probably know us as Owterowa!
        
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        April 5, 2024 3:10pm
  - PurplePen
    
    Considering the size of the UN bureaucracy and history of spend with no results, the politics not at all in the interests of individual member states and certainly not NZ I’d be very wary singing up to anything they come up with. The UN needs a complete clean out and reorganisation and that’s never going to happen.
    
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    April 5, 2024 5:19pm
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    Baker lives in a permanent state of bafflement. For a smart man he’s amazingly thick.
    
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    April 5, 2024 7:19pm
- peterwn
  
  Not the first time. In WW1 NZ sent many troops off to Europe to help the Brits fight against Germany. The original ones were volunteers, the later ones balloted conscripts (single then married, then married with one child, married with two children then the war ended). The NZ government allowed these soldiers to be put at the complete control of the British Army, including being sentenced to death (and executed) by a British court-martial. The Australian government did not allow British Army to exercise such powers over Australian soldiers. There would be a lesson to be learned from this. Think about it as ANZAC Day looms.
  With respect to the WHO issue, what is the stance similar nations to NZ (ie Australia, UK, Canada etc) taking to ‘delegate’ aspects of sovereignty to WHO?
  
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  April 5, 2024 8:50am
  - Jack5
    
    NZ will also have that problem as a small ally, Peterwn, though not to the extent of the death penalty for soldiers. Some people now reckon the British were reluctant to execute the four NZ soldiers in France, but colonial officials pressed them.
    
    Presumably, NZ’s 3rd Division and our airmen in the South Pacific were under the over-all command of the Americans in World War 2. No firing squads, of course.
    
    Same in Vietnam, and with big allies in the Malaya and Malaysia confrontation campaigns.
    
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    April 5, 2024 11:11am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I think under the present leadership, you can exclude Canada from being the same as us.
    
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    April 5, 2024 11:13am
- Che Guava
  
  They know that if it is widely known and discussed, a good proportion of people will be outraged that our already heavily attenuated national sovereignty has been given away. So they aren’t going to say anything and they will just sign up to it on the down low. These are the people who many thought would be a significant change from the previous lot.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:03am
- Rusty
  
  @CJames- The West should defund the WHO and UN.
  Neither organisation prevents pandemics or wars. In fact they are indirectly responsible for many of the problems happening in our world.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:09am
  - jkt
    
    The WHO with be thrown a 🦴 and we will all move on.
    The latest version of the draft treaty allows WHO access to 20% of pandemic related products …..
    
    Next important date comes up in early May and the agreement/treaty to be signed late May.
    
    I do not think it is in the next quarterly work programme. It may well appear in the next “100day” plan.
    
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    April 5, 2024 9:55am
  - Nobby2
    
    Agree completely with you about the WHO and the UN.
    We shouldn’t be taking any notice of what yesterdays dinosaur Helen Clark says either. She still craves attention, but she has had her day and should just go and sit in a corner somewhere and keep quiet.
    
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    April 5, 2024 2:40pm
- I remember when
  
  Climate: A first step toward a global price on Carbon: NY Times.
  “…at a meeting of the International Maritime Organisation , … something potentially world-changing happened.”
  “The United Nations agency, which regulates the shipping industry, essentially committed to creating the world’s first global carbon price.”
  “The proposal would require shipping companies to pay a fee for every ton of carbon they emit by burning fuel.”
  “It would also be a first step toward the lofty goal of a carbon tax not limited to a particular country…”
  “… there are at least 50,000 cargo ships …. transporting the vast majority of the world’s goods.”
  “Shipping accounts for roughly 3% of global greenhouse gas emissions, slightly more than aviation. Taxing its carbon emissions would very likely raise tens of billions of dollars a year….”
  “But moving forward may be easier than with global climate negotiations that require unanimous support.”
  “Countries are looking at seven different proposals, in which prices range from $20 to $250 per ton of carbon emissions.”
  “Companies (shipping) ideally want to avoid paying carbon taxes in multiple jurisdictions , which would result in a lot of complex and expensive accounting.”
  
  Another potential removal of the electorate’s right to make decisions on matters that affect us!
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:43am
CJames

An interesting video on how the Administrative Deep State over-ruled Trump on the handling of Covid, causing the economic and social disaster. The bureaucrat decided Covid was to be managed the same way as AIDS. The decisions made were both dictatorial and non-evidence based.
https://youtu.be/QjadCd0VRBw
And no, it was not Fauci.
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April 5, 2024 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are going to be some sorry arses in DC come 2025, when Trump shafts them.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:02am
  - edhunter
    
    Oh please, the whole “I’m going to drain the swamp” shite makes a good sound bite & a lot of people would like to see it, but it’ll be a “Yes sir, of course sir, whatever you say sir” then they’ll duck their heads make an appearance of doing something to maybe reclaim some of the land around the edge of the swamp & in 4 years time the swamp wont be as wide but it’ll be deeper.
    
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    April 5, 2024 9:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trump underestimated the swamp in 2016. It is bigger and has more people than he thought. 2024 will be different.
      Why do you think they are desperate to stop him? 6 decades of corruption.
      
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      April 5, 2024 10:09am
      - edhunter
        
        The problem as I see it Steve is that there are a lot players within the Republican party that quite like the status quo and the Don is not only fighting the Dems to drain the swamp but those within his own party.
        All this doesn’t even take into account the bi-partisan/neutral civil service which hasn’t just sprung up overnight but taken decades to become the behemoth that it is & is going to take more than 4yrs to turn around.
        8 consecutive years & Trump may have had a chance but 2 non-consecutive terms and I think Washington will see Trump’s presidency as nothing more than a blip, a couple of speed bumps slowing down momentarily their self righteous, self determined belief that they know what’s best despite what the people voted for.
        
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        April 5, 2024 11:01am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes edhunter, the GOP has a lot of RINOS. Liz Cheney, Nikki Haley, McConnell, Romney, Lisa Murkowski. Trump has two fights.
        
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        April 5, 2024 11:27am
- jkt
  
  Who the hell was in charge?
  
  We here in NZ know full well who told us what to do …. So we know who was in charge here! Jacinda!
  
  The Americans better get their act together. Birx was Commander in charge … yeah, right …. that is how organisations work.
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The worm has turned.
As I have said before, I am not a man of faith and I don’t give a shit about Destiny Church, but I support Brian Tamaki on this. Rainbow crossings and drag queens are not essential Council services.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/brian-tamaki-suing-councils-for-rainbow-washing/ar-BB1l3oqt
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April 5, 2024 8:07am
- cmm
  
  But, but, but… pipes and potholes are so boring!
  
  Incremental growth of government (be that national or local) seems to be inevitable. They see a “problem”, or something that needs to be “improved” and they feel the need to do something.
  
  This is just a form of Messiah Complex where politicians feel that they have power to make their mark and will – whether it is needed or not.
  
  Now I am not really opposed to rainbow crossings. But I am opposed to government taking this on as an activity.
  
  When the model railway society wanted a ride-on train set they didn’t get council to build it for them. They came up with the money and then sought permission etc to build it.
  
  Let the rainbows have their crossings on the same basis too. Sell a few sausages, get some donations from Rich Queens, buy some paint, get the approval and then either put on overalls or pay someone to paint it.
  
  But no, we have ever increasing state that feels it must do everything.
  
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  April 5, 2024 8:37am
  - MCōs
    
    No rainbow crossings in the Garden City.
    
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    April 5, 2024 9:26am
    - Taieri
      
      No rainbow crossings in the Garden City.
      ———
      
      Yet…
      
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      April 5, 2024 9:38am
      - RoboRob
        
        The CHCH idiot lefty host on newstalk ZB was pushing for one as a way of ‘fixing’ Christchurchs issues around LBGT issues. His reasoning was that a gay guy told him it was a good thing and gay guys should know.
        
        Turned off the radio at that point.
        
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        April 5, 2024 10:20am
    - Joely Doe
      
      Not yet…
      
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      April 5, 2024 9:41am
    - PeeJay
      
      Shh……stop giving them ideas!
      
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      April 5, 2024 10:23am
  - pdm
    
    `Sell a few sausages, ‘
    
    Now that’s a scary thought as a fund raiser for the trannies.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:21am
  - lifesgood
    
    Disagree, just no rainbow crossings. What next? Can anyone paint a crossing to suit their particular agenda. A crossing is black and white stripes full stop.
    
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    April 5, 2024 11:04am
- andrew davies
  
  How about any interest group can have a crossing in their colours as long as they pay for it and commit to maintaining it in the future.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Those interested groups can also pay the medical bills when the unfortunate accidents happen.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:13am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Give the trannys rainbow coloured bitumen and they can go for their life on as many potholes as they can find.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:15am
- MCōs
  
  If Mister Tamaki goes ahead with his legal action, which I seriously doubt, far more public money will be wasted on legal bills than the difference in cost between the five rainbow crossings throughout NZ and standard paint jobs
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:20am
  - CJames
    
    MCos
    As you already know, the rainbow crossings are not legal road crossings, so your attempted comparison is facile.
    Many organisations of groups bring court cases against local or central government for rule changes or decisions the groups are opposed. Are all the costs of these a waste of public money, or just the ones for groups you are philosophically opposed to?
    
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    April 5, 2024 9:40am
    - MCōs
      
      They’re a waste of money if the plaintiff loses
      BTW
      Would you stop for somebody on a rainbow crossing because you didn’t consider it legal?
      Here in NZ we have crossings all over the place in downtown areas such as Mangere Bridge where I live. They are never policed, but people dutifully give way to pedestrians, even if the lines are faded away., or occasionally they’re not white, but solid red.
      Nobody checks a manual to see if a crossing markings are strictly legal. It’s not a legal contract between road users.
      
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      April 5, 2024 10:26am
      - CJames
        
        So if the plantiff wins, they aren’t a waste of money? Are you the arbiter on what courts might decide?
        
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        April 5, 2024 10:44am
      - MCōs
        
        Did I say that?
        
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        April 5, 2024 11:10am
    - jkt
      
      If the Rainbow Community wants these crossings painted they should follow due process and find the funding to fund their projects.
      
      However, the Rainbow Crossings are approved by councillors on behalf of ratepayers who “solidly” support anything and everything that will make the Rainbow Community feel better and valued. It is therefore appropriate that councils “Reluctantly” divert money budgeted for the maintenance of essential services to fund these really important projects!
      
      Next group please…..
      
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      April 5, 2024 10:30am
- Local Miller
  
  Wayne Brown just plummeted in my books with his claim that “ Tamaki and his followers are a group who don’t pay rates”. I don’t think churches are exempt from rates, and certainly the congregation must be paying their rates, so how can he claim this?
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:53am
  - MCōs
    
    Around the corner from me is a Baptist Church at 28 Woodward Ave with a CV of $5,300,000
    The rates are listed as $232.30
    Sounds pretty much exempt to me
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:33am
  - jkt
    
    You think wrong. Churches and government departments are exempt from paying rates.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:34am
    - Local Miller
      
      This doesn’t change the fact that the members still pay rates and taxes, and so have a right to have their say.
      
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      April 5, 2024 11:32am
      - MCōs
        
        The valuation of my dentist’s clinic is $1,500,000 and the rates are $8,174.51 even though the individual dentists also pay domestic rates
        
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        April 5, 2024 6:39pm
      - jkt
        
        Of course their members have the right to free speech and so does their group.
        
        But wrong stays wrong. Take the lesson and move on.
        
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        April 5, 2024 8:29pm
- mawm
  
  I can foresee a Dept of Rainbow Crossings and Drag. That’ll probably need about 100 members of staff and the cost of getting a contractor, after all the highly paid advisors have had their say, will be in the 100’s of 1000’s. Nice little gig.
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:25am
  - jkt
    
    A ministry.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:35am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Ministry of Trans, sport!
      
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      April 5, 2024 11:05am
      - jkt
        
        TransSports.
        
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        April 5, 2024 8:31pm
Grunter

For those that are interested. Simplicius provides a regular Substack on the Ukraine mess. His latest one describes in detail about the imminent collapse of the Ukraine army and lack of ammo etc from the West.

All predicted since the war started of course.

No doubt All on Red will once again personally attack and claim he is the single source of the truth…… but his source (IWS) turns out to be the centre of the US neocons propaganda machine. Run by US IndustrialMilitary Complex and Victoria Nuland.

Anyway, read and believe whatever you decide.

https://open.substack.com/pub/simplicius76/p/sitrep-4324-zelensky-steps-closer?r=7myba&utm_medium=ios
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April 5, 2024 8:10am
- All_on_Red
  
  Arse still hurting after yesterday is it Grunter?
  ISW is one of many sources I use. As for Victoria Nuland I don’t even know who she is.
  Anyway, here is the ‘Who we are’ page from ISW and she isn’t even listed.
  https://www.understandingwar.org/who-we-are
  I see General Petraeus is on the Board though.
  Is he any good? Lol
  But hey you keep referencing your obscure sources and hold them up as gospel.
  Its funny to watch.
  
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  April 5, 2024 11:23am
  - Grunter
    
    You don’t know who Victoria Nuland is??!! That sums you up!
    
    Her sister in-law runs your beloved IWS.
    
    Nuland was the key State Dept neocon that drove the US’s Ukraine program. She got fired about a month ago.
    
    I actually thought you had some credible views and useful insights into Ukraine etc. But you’ve just revealed you are as deep as a puddle! Don’t know who is Victoria Nuland 🤣🤣
    
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    April 5, 2024 12:36pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    You should really read Simplicius’ work before you comment on it. He (or they) is pseudonymous but he reads widely and deeply, getting material from many sources and in many languages. He links is sources and he gives reasons for his conclusions.
    he regularly goes back over his predictions to see what has come to pass and what has not.
    He does solid work using solid techniques that should be followed by everyone. You should know that the truth of the matter is not determined by party affiliations or credentials, it’s who can hit the bulls-eye most often and who can cut reality at it’s joints.
    Simplicius does this more often than any analyst I have read and certainly better than 99.99% of Western government officials.
    
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    April 6, 2024 5:29am
- All_on_Red
  
  Congratulations. Dumbest Comment of the Day.
  Unfortunately the Blog Rules prevent me from calling you a moron.
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  April 5, 2024 11:24am
Yvette

Concern raised over Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith’s planned changes to national anti-racism plan

This is the report from November 2022 –

Ki te whaiao, ki te ao Mārama
Community Engagement Report for developing a National Action Plan Against Racism
https://tikatangata.org.nz/cms/assets/Documents/Ki-te-whaiao-ki-te-ao-Marama_Full-Report_PDF.pdf

If you have had your breakfast already, I challenge you to – just after the Forward – flip through the two pages headed –
Definitions we have used in this report.

The remark “If you have had your breakfast” of course expresses a certain view of the matter.
So what blinkered vision do these “definitions” set for the writers of the report, the organisation of the contributors, and then the readers?

• Iwi Chairs Forum reps pull out of anti-racism plan due to ‘continued racist rhetoric‘
• Acting Race Relations Commissioner Saunoamaali’i Dr Karanina Sumeo said she was extremely concerned over the decision, and was seeking an explanation from the minister.
• Racism, indigenous rights, and Te Tiriti o Waitangi (the Treaty) are now under global scrutiny, as the United Nations’ Special Rapporteur on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples tours the country.
Francisco Calí Tzay is meeting this week with Māori organisations, iwi, and hapū leaders, alongside indigenous legal experts and the HRC at the Designing Our Constitution 2024 conference.

Francisco Calí Tzay will likely write a better, international level report … now
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April 5, 2024 8:18am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yvette, laughably, according to Dr Sumeo: Experiences of racism can include (among other things): mispronunciation of Māori names, words, and language!!!
  Does this mean that the constant Maori mispronunciation of English is racism? Poor old English. We’ve been victims all of our lives and didn’t even know it.
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:21am
  - lifesgood
    
    So many young Maori can’t speak English properly and can’t speak Te Reo at all. I was listening to a group of young Maori in the city recently, honestly, it took me a while to realise they were speaking, or trying to speak, English. What a bunch of losers. Obviously that does not go for all Maori.
    
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    April 5, 2024 11:08am
    - julesnzuk
      
      This is sad and deeply worrying. It also speaks volumes about the New Zealand “education” system if New Zealand kids are growing up not being able to speak properly. Someone has failed these kids (primarily their parents). I’ve noticed declining standards of English around though – even in the MSM, including major newspapers, for example saying “kiwi” instead of “New Zealander” (in contexts where slang is completely inappropriate). Cops instead of police is another one. It’s cringeworthy, reductive and all round horrible.
      
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      April 6, 2024 2:20am
Paulus

Disappointed to read that the proposed change to the non election of Maori Councils, brings such comments as racism.
Do not some 30% of Cabinet confirm that they are Maori, so why should not Maori get elected to Councils like any other citizen in New Zealand ?
Surely we see in every daily life that they are perfectly capable, and have the ability, to serve like any other Councillor.
Some Maori Labour MP, not named of course, says that the Cabinet Maori are the wrong kind of Maori.
So that is the problem those who can be elected to lead the Country, and those who will not countenance it.
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April 5, 2024 8:20am
- Chuck Bird
  
  “Do not some 30% of Cabinet”
  
  It is 7 out of 20 or 35%.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:42am
Scott

The excellent Simeon Brown announced this yesterday –

“The Government will introduce a Bill in the coming months that will restore the ability for communities to petition their councils to hold binding polls on Māori ward decisions. This will include holding binding polls on wards that were established without the ability for local referendums to take place.

“The Coalition Government will reverse the previous government’s divisive changes that denied local communities the ability to determine whether to establish Māori wards. Local community members deserve to have a say in their governance arrangements.”

One of the 3 major concerns of people prior to the election was cogovernance. This is rolling back cogovernance and the Maorification of everything.

Again I believe we need to get behind this government and support them. Every week we get some new and good thing that is rolling back the previous government’s awful legislative agenda. Every week we get a new good thing that will improve the lives of our citizens.
This is excellent. 😊
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April 5, 2024 8:24am
- Flossie
  
  We have recently received advice from our Council – TCDC – that Maori Wards Are Happening. I don’t recall voting, but perhaps I missed the memo.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:39am
  - Don Beckett
    
    What is TCDC ?
    
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    April 5, 2024 11:26am
    - Flossie
      
      Thames Coromandel District Council
      
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      April 5, 2024 11:31am
- thirteenstars
  
  It is the right move and Brown has been staunch in his defence of it.
  
  My concern lies in the other mechanisms councils have devised recently to effectively give race-based opinion more weight in decision making via representation on committees and mandatory consultation with iwi, all based upon the lie that local government is obligated under the ToW to consult Maori.
  
  The Local Government Act needs to be amended to prevent unequal representation in any form across all local government processes.
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:05am
  - PurplePen
    
    I have never fathomed why anyone or any organisation needs to consult with Iwi on anything. There’s nothing in the 3 ToW articles that even hints at this as a requirement. The only valid consultation would be if you were wanting to do something on or neighbouring their property, just as you with any property owner. The rest is a sham.
    
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    April 5, 2024 5:27pm
Maggie Pie

Finally, after 6 years, the era of Apartheid in NZ is about to end….

https://twitter.com/nz_media_watch/status/1775780350855450664

Saw that horrible Willie Jackson on telly this morning…
and he sounded really pissed about it 🙁
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April 5, 2024 8:27am
- Inandout
  
  Willie lives very comfortably by the seaside thank you.
  
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  April 5, 2024 8:36am
- cmm
  
  Now deal with the Big One that everyone has avoided since 19 December 1879 – nearly 145 years.
  
  Maori seats in parliament.
  
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  April 5, 2024 8:40am
  - Steve Todd
    
    For goodness’ sake, give it away; it’s not going to happen.
    
    And it certainly won’t happen just because you occasionally spout forth on Kiwiblog that it should.
    
    As igm knows, in respect of his view that only principal ratepayers should be able to vote in local elections, it is not enough to just repeat that view, ad nauseam, on Kiwiblog.
    
    Without concerted, widespread campaigns advocating the removal of the local franchise from non-direct ratepayers, and the removal of the Māori seats in parliament, nothing is ever going to happen.
    
    With regard to your obsession, I pointed out last August that the Māori seats are effectively entrenched; they will go only when Māori say they can go.
    
    (See https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/08/general_debate_28_august_2023.html/comment-page-1#comment-3426431.)
    
    On this issue, as with igm regarding his obsession, you are nothing more than an impotent voice in the wilderness.
    
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    April 5, 2024 1:09pm
    - cmm
      
      I know it is never going to happen.
      
      If nobody grew the balls in 145 years they won’t grow them now.
      
      This is one of the most destructive elements of NZ society because it is the life support for TPM – who’s only reason to exist (and only way to continue to exist) is to drive a wedge between Maori and the rest of society.
      
      NZ willl have one foot stuck in the dark ages until the Maori Vote is gone for a generation.
      
      And yes, my voice is impotent – just as is everyone else’s unless they are Special.
      
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      April 5, 2024 1:48pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        You still can’t accept that your 21st Century thinking simply wasn’t part of anyone’s thinking between 1867 and 1993, can you? Never mind.
        
        So, what are you doing to make it happen? Have you got a group of like-minded people together? How far away is your campaign launch? Nothing in development? Then, like igm, you too, are just boring.
        
        I can ask such questions, because I, with two or three others, set out to get STV legislated for, for use by local councils. For me, it took six years (1994–2000) of hard graft to get what I wanted. (Indeed, the actual STV method we use – Meek’s method – is solely attributable to me. See, https://www.votingmatters.org.uk/ISSUE16/P6.HTM.)
        
        As with your silly MMP List seat manipulation nonsense, I really do hope you drop the “abolition of the Māori seats” nonsense, too.
        
        (Just as an observation, I doubt any government will attempt to abolish the Māori seats before the bi-centenary of the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi, in 2040.)
        
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        April 5, 2024 5:16pm
      - jkt
        
        Dear Steve Todd.
        One must start somewhere.
        Allow them their safe space and thank you for caring enough by commenting.
        
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        April 5, 2024 8:37pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      Steve Todd – reported in error, sorry. You are talking nonsense though. Race based seats are an appalling travesty for a multitude of reasons (not least being the fact they are condescending and insulting to NZers of Maori heritage) and I for one cannot fathom the apathy/ignorance among the general public that has enabled them to remain. CMM is 100% right on this and has every right to comment. If people don’t talk about things what reform will ever be instigated?
      
      If you’re such a fan of race based seats how about putting forth an argument for them to remain instead of just trying to shut down debate with a naff one liner like “it isn’t going to happen”.
      
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      April 6, 2024 2:28am
  - PurplePen
    
    It could and should happen …
    
    At the time of their creation in 1867, the Maori seats were only a temporary measure to give parliamentary representation to Maori until they met the necessary property qualifications to vote. Back then, you could only vote if you were a man that owned property. Maori land wasn’t yet surveyed and registered. Once universal suffrage was introduced in 1893 the seats had achieved their purpose. However, the Maori seats survived “through indifference and neglect”. The 1985 Royal Commission on the Electoral System along with its broad scope to review the electoral system, was also specifically directed to consider “the nature and basis of Maori representation in Parliament. The Royal Commission recommended FPP be replaced with MMP and the Maori seats be abolished.
    
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    April 5, 2024 5:30pm
- Swifty
  
  Who gives a shit what Willie Jackson thinks or says?
  
  All he’s ever done is hand out taxpayer money and favours in return for votes and political support.
  
  He is the Minister for Payola.
  
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  April 5, 2024 8:51am
- artemisia
  
  How many councils will scrap the Maori wards and then no need to hold a referendum.
  
  There was mention of the cost of a referendum being about $100,000, though the cost of Maori ward councillors will add up pretty quickly over a few years. Either way, unless scrapped, end-of, ratepayers might not be too happy if councils go ahead with a referendum knowing that sound defeat is probable so a waste of their money.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:19am
  - thirteenstars
    
    It’s a conundrum, for sure, and delicious.
    
    The woke representatives will want to go down fighting lest they look ideologically weak but they’ll be keenly aware that a big defeat in a referendum will make them look like profligates.
    
    In larger districts $100k is an accounting error by today’s loose standards but in smaller ones it’s a lot of money.
    
    Also, a referendum will push turnout through the roof and once a voter is engaged to vote who knows what other changes might come. I hope this is an opportunity for candidates outside the mainstream to make their mark.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:13am
  - pdm
    
    I see no reason why it should not apply from the 2025 Local Body elections.
    
    Almost seems someone (Luxon maybe) is `having a bob each way’ by delaying it a further 3 years.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:29am
- Observant Octagenarian
  
  I saw the Maori member for Northland on TV3 last night bemoaning the ‘apartheid’ of this decision.
  To TV3’s credit, they did show the furore that erupted when this new member insisted on a traditional kariaka (which is a Maori prayer to their gods, not sure of spelling) before the start of every meeting.
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:06am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Saw something similar from the Kaipara Maori ward councillor who opined that in a small district like hers the $100k cost of a referendum would mean 1% rates rise.
    
    Stone-cold lying is what that is, and it’s being repeated ad nauseum particularly on state-funded media.
    
    Fact is, under the legislation councils can simply vote to disestablish Maori wards without a referendum. No expensive referendum needed.
    
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    April 5, 2024 12:11pm
    - PurplePen
      
      I heard the Mayor for Kaipara on Hosking or was it the Platform this morning. He was saying before they had a Maori ward out of 9 councillors 2 were Maori. after the Maori ward was introduced they went down to just 1 Maori councillor. He also made the good point that we need to stop treating maori like special needs cases.. there are many clever and hard working maori and the current treatment and the idea of Maori wards is insulting to them. his words but I think he’s quite right.
      
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      April 5, 2024 5:38pm
Ruahine

Here is a little gem for the hypocritical Green bludgers. Will we see them marching down to the local Mosque to protest?

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror
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April 5, 2024 8:40am
- sirknz
  
  They are us?
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:17am
- David Garrett
  
  Ruahine: Yep, the Religion of Peace in all its (in)glory.
  
  Coming to a town near you one day, if we keep letting the primitive bastards into our fair land.
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:50am
O C Smith

AM’s coverage this morning re proposed closing of the Suicide Prevention Office was somewhat over the top. As Matt Doocey had not been informed of the proposal it would appear to be the Civil Service playing politics. I also note the office currently does not even have a director.
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April 5, 2024 8:44am
- Taieri
  
  How does the Suicide Prevention Office prevents suicide?
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:41am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Tai,
    You make an appointment and they keep putting you off.
    Surprisingly effective!
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:25am
cmm

Bloke beats up woman for 12 hours because she took too much toast.

Must have been better than Vogel’s.

The judge goes all soggy and blames this on violence being a learned trait.

Yes, I suppose violence is a learned trait, as is welfare dependence, wagging school and humiliation of peers for trying to escape their circumstances by “acting white”.

It is high time we stop making excuses for low-performers and crims.

Where is the judge that will say: “I don’t care what your childhood was like. You’re an adult. You are 100% responsible for your actions. If you want to be thought of as a man then man up and take responsibility.
What’s the max sentence? Here we go: 7 years.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurchs-benjamin-meredith-jailed-for-beating-a-woman-over-a-period-of-12-hours/H7LGTITJMBBNZFWWLJHAJCNDVU/
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April 5, 2024 8:51am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I pointed that story out to my partner over breakfast.
  He reckons it was nothing more than Maori foreplay.
  
  IYKYK.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:01am
  - cmm
    
    You know it’s getting kinky when the toast and Vegemite comes out.
    
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    April 5, 2024 9:06am
- mandk
  
  Note the Judge said that violence as a learned trait did not excuse what he did.
  
  And the attacker got 5 years and 4 months.
  
  Many judges would have given him home detention.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:21am
  - pdm
    
    `Many judges would have given him home detention.’
    
    This time last year that would have been a certainty.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:36am
  - cmm
    
    Sure they say it does not excuse what he did, but they still bring it up. In other words it does not FULLY excuse what he did.
    
    Yes, 5 years and 4 months is better than home D, but he’ll be out in less than 2 years.
    
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    April 5, 2024 11:39am
- Ruawai
  
  Looking at the coloured graph on the size of each government department in this Stuff article, if there were no bad buggers and everyone learnt how to parent well we could save tax payers a lot of money and concentrate on productivity, health and education. What a waste of money, if these people could just behave! The big ones are Corrections, Social Development, Justice and Oranga Tamariki.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350164796/heres-what-our-63000-public-servants-actually-do-and-why-we-have-so-many-them-now
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:30am
- David Garrett
  
  Judge Crosbie allowed Meredith to start the hearing with a karakia, spoken first in te reo Māori and then in English
  
  So here we have it – court procedures determined by race.
  
  Unless this present government makes some major changes – which I very much doubt they have the balls to do – we are fucked. At least the Judge wasn’t totally fooled, and handed down what is today a relatively stiff sentence. But five years and four months is likely to become two years and a few months once the prisoner has perfected his “found God” routine for the Parole Board.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:33am
  - cmm
    
    “Judge Crosbie allowed Meredith to start the hearing with a karakia”
    
    And you say the judge is not fully woke?
    
    I wonder whether:
    1) Punters are generally allowed to dictate court proceedings.
    2) Are judges allowed to change court proceedings. Is this at the judge’s discretion?
    
    If I turned up and demanded to do an African ritual, or a Morris dance, to get the gods to help influence the court in my favour d’ya think they would allow it?
    
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    April 5, 2024 9:46am
    - pdm
      
      What about the prosecutors?
      
      Surely they could object.
      
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      April 5, 2024 10:39am
    - David Garrett
      
      ccm: In answer to your questions: 1) NO, punters (defendants and prisoners) are most definitely NOT usually allowed to dictate court proceedings; and 2) Judges are allowed to determined proceedings in their court – it becomes “their court” when they are on the bench.
      
      When I was in parliament the weak Speakers – NOT including Lockwood Smith – often allowed karaki and singing when certain Bills were passed giving Maori this or that.
      
      Anyone other than Maori doing that would be quickly removed – in fact now and again there was the odd person who made comments from the public gallery. They were immediately removed,sometimes less than gently.
      
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      April 5, 2024 10:59am
      - imalwaysright
        
        University capping ceremonies are being prolonged by “impromptu” hakas and maori songs to honour individual recipients.
        It has an air of vindictive, entitled, middle finger rather than truly celebrating any achievement .
        
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        April 5, 2024 11:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There was a kariaki in Maori and English, and he has found God.
  Fortunately that didn’t work for the Judge.
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:24am
  - jonno1
    
    A karakia is pagan, not Christian. So there’s an inconsistency from the start.
    
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    April 5, 2024 12:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

‘Either the deep state destroys America, or we destroy the deep state,’ Trump has told supporters at his campaign rallies.
A win means Trump will have his firing boots on.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/biden-moves-to-protect-tens-of-thousands-of-civil-service-workers-against-trump-s-plans-to-gut-the-deep-state-in-the-federal-government-if-he-wins-in-2024/ar-BB1l4sdn?
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April 5, 2024 8:55am
- MCōs
  
  We’ve heard all these slogans before
  Has he said who he’s going to lock up?
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump will not lock them up, the Judges will.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:26am
KH

Suicide Prevention Office: I have no problem with it’s closure.
Suicide is a problem for sure. But was the office useful in stopping it? I doubt it.
In health over the years for example I saw vast resource (years of staff time) going into producing documents called “Strategies” or “Guidelines”. A Wellington speciality producing those.
Often a one kilo brick of paper.
Nobody out in the world took any notice. Nothing changed at the work front. And curiously the Wellington crew did not either. They would often do the opposite to what their own “strategy” said.
So these things sat in the dust on the bottom shelf of the office. But fortunately, in later years it became a big file in the back of your computer, never opened. Less dust.
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April 5, 2024 9:00am
cmm

Surplus government employees in Wellington asking whether they should bugger off to Australia.

Yes you useless troughers, please fuck off. Anywhere.

Unfortunately what we have had is the inverse so far: the useful people have left NZ and the troughers built themselves a trough in Wellington.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/do-we-go-across-the-ditch-scarce-wellington-jobs-have-people-looking-elsewhere/AYRIDVZHSJDKDCWDQ73YHTF2AU/
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April 5, 2024 9:04am
- Flossie
  
  Do they seriously imagine they can just walk into a job in Aus? Ex civil servants (do we still use that term?) aren’t much use anywhere else here never mind overseas. If they were health professionals, as in nurses, radiologist etc then maybe. Unemployment there is on the rise and rentals are getting much more difficult to find. There’s a lot more hidden costs there too, such as car rego and stamp duty. The streets are not paved with gold and awaiting disgruntled New Zealanders.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:11am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    One problem. To work in the Australian Public Service you must generally be an Australian citizen.
    
    That requirement may be waived, but only if certain conditions are met.
    
    https://www.apsc.gov.au/working-aps/information-aps-employment/guidance-and-information-recruitment/citizenship-aps
    
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    April 5, 2024 9:35am
  - Taieri
    
    Do they seriously imagine they can just walk into a job in Aus?
    ————
    
    They can’t. A vast majority of “public service” jobs in Australia require an Australian citizenship.
    
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    April 5, 2024 9:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If they leave Wellington they will be out of their safe place.
  Unemployable in the Private Sector.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:21am
  - pdm
    
    Do the Aussie Civil Servants wear Roman Sandals, walk socks to the knee and shorts too?
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:42am
- Terry Dalee
  
  Awww, my heart bleeds for them…..
  They can go pick fruit or drive a tractor.
  
  That’s what I was told after losing my job as a pilot in COVID…
  
  But unlike pilots, which you can’t find any more at the moment and command a high salary now, the demand for “policy analysis”, “managers” and “administrators” won’t increase unless another useless Liebour government controls the treasury benches….
  
  At least I move people/stuff, in a short amount of time over large distances…. safely.
  Exactly what results do these people actually provide?
  
  Oh that’s right, success in public service is measured by activity, never by the actual outcome or results achieved…
  
  Ironically, they can’t get enough pilots in Australia, and the license is portable and recognised. Pretty much if you have experience, a license and a pulse, you can walk into almost any flying job in Aussie at the moment and get a 30% payrise..
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:47am
  - JohnRidd
    
    I wouldn’t let one of those useless types drive a tractor. Think how much damage they could do.
    
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    April 5, 2024 3:54pm
- MCōs
  
  You’re a hard man, cmm
  You have no idea what these people did
  There’s always been a perception that public servants sit around all day playing with their phones complaining about the government on social media
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Before internet and cellphones they were very good euchre players.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:32am
    - Flossie
      
      Absolutely correct. My ex worked for the government and he was an excellent euchre player.
      
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      April 5, 2024 12:58pm
    - PurplePen
      
      I did that back in the 90’s. it was 500 not euchre.
      
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      April 5, 2024 5:44pm
Bridgenag

Solar Eclipse- A National Emergency and Food Shortages?
You can’t make this stuff up!

“News flash!

Just to say it, a solar eclipse is not a national emergency, it is not a state emergency and it isn’t a local emergency.

To both encourage people to “stock up on food and fuel”, while simultaneously decrying that the shortages that will make this some sort of crazy COVIDcrisis toilet paper shortage is just…well… bizarre behavior on the part of government officials.

and just to write it, solar eclipses just aren’t that “special”.

”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/solar-eclipse-a-national-emergency?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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April 5, 2024 9:12am
- Ghost
  
  The solar eclipse isn’t the emergency. The huge amount of people expected to travel to those areas is what it is about and the problems they will cause for the local fuel supply, food supply etc.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:26am
  - rangitoto
    
    Massive price gouging going on. I heard of cases where hotels cancelled bookings at the normal rate when they found out about the eclipse.
    
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    April 5, 2024 1:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not happening in NZ so best to just ignore it.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:33am
Maggie Pie

Found this quite disturbing 🙁

Don’t know if the GCSB are aware of this, but looks like Green Party MP’s, (both past & PRESENT) maintain strong links to communist Cuba!

WATCH:

https://rumble.com/v3i1l4y-the-trevor-loudon-report-the-new-zealand-green-party.html
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April 5, 2024 9:15am
cmm

Ruapahu seems to be turning into a money pit.

“Obviously, Mt Ruapehu is so important to so many different iwi and hapū groups who do need to have a say. It’s thought of as an ancestor not a mountain, it’s very important.”

Am I the only one who sees the logical solution here.

Maori think it is very important. Maori have massive amounts of treaty/reparations hand out money.

Most of us are prepared to put our hands in our pockets for important things. Why not here too?

We have almost 1 million Maori in NZ. If each were to put $5 a week into what is important, that would be $250M a year.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/downward-spiral-of-ruapehu-infrastructure-could-leave-tourists-out-in-the-cold/GEWMWZWNYFDGDCRIKQR42PVCSI/
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April 5, 2024 9:18am
- Chuck Bird
  
  “We have almost 1 million Maori in NZ. If each were to put $5 a week into what is important, that would be $250M a year.”
  
  Maori do not all think the same way. Your suggestion is racist.
  
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  April 5, 2024 9:48am
oldpark

Cant help but think the biggest threat to NZ at the minute is NZ Herald and their biased News outlets on Newstalk ZB .
Not forgetting their one sided daily attack on the Democratically elected Coalition .
Case in point amongst many . Take the decision to bring Democracy back to Councils and make sure there is no Token Racism that the gang of Three .Ardern/Hipkins and Robertson deliberately changed the law on Maori to parachute them into Councils without being elected .
NZME owned Newstalk ZB Headline on every news bulletin made out it was an attack on Maori like they were being victimized . Completely untrue like most of the lies NZs Media led by NZ Herald and their sycophants are culpable of uttering with their one sided attack on the New Democratically elected NZ Government .
Maybe NZs so called Mainstream Media have not got the meme .There is a New NZ Government
Voted for by its Citizens on 14 October 2023.Get used to it .Or seems they liked the track record of Ardern/Hipkins /Robertson past Regime of previous Six Years .2017 – 2023 .
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- greybeard
  
  If you heard Mike Hosking this morning you would know that not all NZME employees are toeing that line.
  
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  April 5, 2024 4:07pm
Bridgenag

SAME APPLIES HERE
Saving American Children – Part 1

” The long game the Left is engaging in means that they plan to gradually subvert our country over a few decades — while we are attending to other matters. Their subversion is across the board: our education system, our values, our civility, our Science, our economy, our executive branch, our legislature, our judicial system, etc.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/criticallythinking/p/saving-american-children-part-1?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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April 5, 2024 9:23am
Yvette

Will the United Nations’ Special Rapporteur on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, Francisco Calí Tzay, highlight in his reportage for the UN, that the National lead coalition put forward three simple constitutional points, but in his Hui o Motu, Ratana and Waitangi, the Maori King wilfully ignored rationally addressing those points and concentrated on a theme of “unity” to oppose the Government’s position – which they won’t discuss?

Indeed is the Maori King’s “Unity” Turangawaewae Call, a rallying call to incite inevitable action at a racial level, unbalanced by any discussion?

Will Francisco Calí Tzay report that?
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April 5, 2024 9:47am
Maggie Pie

Tell you what I have noticed lately, nobody around here are putting out those ridiculous Council ‘Food Scrap Bins’ anymore.
My partner drilled holes in ours and uses as a live bait tank.

Just another giant waste of ratepayers money 🙁
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April 5, 2024 9:49am
- MCōs
  
  We used our one for its intended purpose for a few months, but now I think it’s been parked up in the garage
  Sounds like your one isn’t really a waste of money
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:02am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did you remember to wash yours out first before stashing it away Cossie?
    Bet most people over your way would never even think of it 🙁
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ours is in the laundry for washing powder.
  The inner has a plant in it.
  We have an Insinkerator waste disposal, and we use it.
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    They’re crazy Steve! Everybody we know would fill them in a day.
    What are you suppossed to do for the other 7?
    
    SHEESh.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:48am
  - Flossie
    
    Your food waste bin from your council has an “inner”? Ours certainly don’t.
    
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    April 5, 2024 3:57pm
Chuck Bird

Kerri has Luxon on after the news at 10am if anyone wants to ring in on 0800 80 1080.
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April 5, 2024 9:57am
- MCōs
  
  Ask him why he uses TikTok when it’s a hotline straight to the desk of the CCP?
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:05am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Have you seen the one of Lux applying sunscreen to his bald patch Cossie?
    
    What a HOOT 😀
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:27am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Kerry or someone who emailed her got things wrong in asking if there be a referendum on Maori Wards then why not a referendum on the Treaty. No political party is asking for a referendum on the Treaty. Act is asking for a referendum on the Principals of the Treaty. Does Luxon know the difference? He answer about the Treaty being in place since 1840.
  
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  April 5, 2024 11:14am
- lifesgood
  
  I listened. He was so good, honest, articulate, pleasant and had answers. Unlike she who we are well rid of who knew nothing, waffled on and avoided answers. I don’t really know why so many on here keep attacking Luxon. He is never going to do absolutely everything you want but he’s making a damn good effort at fixing the appalling mess the Labour government made of this country.
  
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  April 5, 2024 11:20am
  - Grunter
    
    Luxon is doing many good things starting to fix some of the mess. But the financial mess is much deeper than most realise.
    
    Personally, I think he could ‘use the crisis’ even more and take a chainsaw to the Public Services. He could also solve the race divide and end the global boiling nonsense.
    
    And yes he is obviously better than “she who we are well rid of who knew nothing, waffled on and avoided answers” – but that is a very low bar to compare anyone to.
    
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    April 5, 2024 3:02pm
imalwaysright

Is this years influenza jab a covid jab?
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April 5, 2024 10:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The google machine does not say yes, and does not say no.
  So the flu jab probably does contain the covid vax.
  They have lied to us before.
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:44am
  - imalwaysright
    
    If it is still an experimental drug then it must be illegal to describe it as an influenza vaccine.
    No wonder people are now worried about the effective tested vaccines.
    
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    April 5, 2024 10:53am
  - MCōs
    
    I had a flu jab on Tuesday and I’m still alive so no it doesn’t have a Covid vaccine
    
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    April 5, 2024 11:26am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Sample size of one is good enough for me!
      
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      April 5, 2024 11:39am
- Benedict Yu
  
  No. This week I had a flu shot and a covid booster. Two shots.
  
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  April 5, 2024 11:50am
  - Nukuleka
    
    A covid booster. How quaint, Ben.
    
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    April 5, 2024 2:45pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Dollar each way
      
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      April 5, 2024 3:38pm
  - miltonF
    
    Good luck
    
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    April 5, 2024 3:25pm
  - wsk12345
    
    Curious as to why? I thought you realised now that the covid vax does nothing, nothing good anyway.
    
    I’ve had the vid 3x now – nothing worse than a sore throat lasting a day. I’m unvaxxed ofc so might be worse of you’ve had a few. Only knew I had it as I was going to be around elderly folk so tested my “cold”.
    
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    April 5, 2024 4:09pm
  - kevn
    
    BY… ‘Braver’ than most.
    There has been high risk jab data known since late 2020.
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-covid-booster-cancer-time-bomb-2/
    
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    April 5, 2024 5:52pm
I remember when

Tory Whanau claims that scrapping car parking spots in Cuba Street will reduce emissions.

Do parked cars produce emissions?
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April 5, 2024 10:22am
- imalwaysright
  
  Tory’s emissions increase drastically when she is parked on a barstool .
  
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  April 5, 2024 10:56am
- greybeard
  
  My email to NewstalkZB 26th March:
  
  ” How stupid is Tory Whanau ?
  She removes car parking in Cuba Street because she wants to “reduce emissions” and that is more important than losing about $200k per year in parking fees.
  Well , Tory , consider this: the drivers ( and shoppers & spenders ) in those cars will simply keep on driving them but they will drive to Lower Hutt or Kilbirnie or Kapiti, and spend their money out of Wellington.
  And emissions will remain the same.
  
  What an idiot.
  
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  April 5, 2024 1:20pm
I remember when

The US aims to boost electric truck sales: NY Times.
The article states it won’t be cheap or easy.
Projected increase percent of non-polluting long-haul trucks sold in US from 2% to as much as 25% by 2032.
* Electric trunks lag far behind the adoption of electric personal vehicles.
* Electric eighteen-wheelers can cost two to three times that of diesel truck.
* Large, heavy batteries reduce the truck’s capacity.
* Currently only 5000 charging stations in US capable of serving heavy trucks, far fewer than truckers say would be needed for transition.

Looks good if you are a Green Party member.
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April 5, 2024 10:38am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  More things it won’t do…
  – ‘fix’ the climate in any measurable way at all.
  – reduce the cost to consumers of the items being trucked about.
  – reduce the cost of electricity.
  Ooh, go from 2% to 25% in 8 years? Here’s another thing it won’t. It won’t happen.
  
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  April 5, 2024 12:03pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Is “lard-arse” acceptable?

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1775658834369163721
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April 5, 2024 10:43am
- Ghost
  
  How is it anti black.
  
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  April 5, 2024 11:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Everything is racist – says a racist.
    The author is not right in the head.
    
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    April 5, 2024 11:38am
  - MCōs
    
    I used to be a bit fleshy until about a year ago, but the only time a doctor ever suggested I should lose a few kgs was when the orthopedic surgeon suggested it would be good for my crook hip joint
    Fat people don’t need to be told they should lose weight. They know already, but it’s easy to say these things.
    
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    April 5, 2024 1:56pm
    - Ghost
      
      Unfortunately that’s no longer the case. There are a bunch of obese influencers who are pushing different. Sadly some actually show videos encouraging people to eat like them. Many of those influencers have since died because of their lifestyle.
      
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      April 5, 2024 2:07pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Yes, I recall the girl from Palmy who was a lecturer at Massey, Cat Pause, created the Tumblr…”Fuck, Yeah! Fat Phd’s”
        
        Died suddenly in her sleep a couple of years ago. Only 42.
        
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        April 5, 2024 2:25pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        This makes that point really well.
        https://twitter.com/i/status/1744837694960918851
        
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        April 5, 2024 2:47pm
- mogg
  
  I much prefer the original ‘fat bastard’.
  
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  April 5, 2024 12:51pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Too easy
  
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  April 5, 2024 3:15pm
Happy1

Does anyone else think that the recent targeting of aid vehicles by the IDF might turn out to be a Lusitania moment? I don’t think the Israelies understand the potential here. Things like, these things happen, we might change our procedures, sorry about that, are not cutting the mustard. Jill Biden’s “end it and end it now” will become more numerous. Time is running out.
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April 5, 2024 10:53am
- imalwaysright
  
  H,
  Ben doesn’t want aid workers in Gaza, that’s why he murders them.
  
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  April 5, 2024 11:22am
  - Nobby2
    
    If a civilian knowingly goes into a war zone guess what can happen.
    
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    April 5, 2024 3:16pm
- kowtow
  
  Are you saying the aid workers had weapons , cos the Lusitania did .
  
  She was sunk in 1915 , remind me what year the Yanks finally came in .
  
  Oh and btw this is not a war by Israel on Gaza ,it’s a war by Iran on the west .
  
  Idiots need to “get woke” on what’s really happening here .
  
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  April 5, 2024 11:33am
- Maggie Pie
  
  TBF, if Israel didn’t care about civilians, the war would have been over by Oct 8.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  April 5, 2024 11:55am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I’m just glad Israel doesn’t care about me. Delusional .
    
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    April 5, 2024 12:07pm
  - MCōs
    
    That’s what Americans thought about North Vietnam and they got their arses kicked
    Before that it was what they thought about North Korea
    Before that that’s what Germany thought about Russia and Japan thought about some other Pacific countries
    Invasions rarely work out
    
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    April 5, 2024 2:04pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      You miss the point once again Cossie!
      I was thinking about what happened on ‘Hiroshima Day’ silly.
      Israel have nukes…. you know that eh?
      
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      April 5, 2024 2:38pm
      - MCōs
        
        Are you crazy?
        That’s utterly unrealistic to use them, they’re a deterrent not an offense weapon
        Why do you think nobody touches Israel
        Or any other country with nukes
        Sure America used them against Japan, but once the Soviets got them their effectiveness was neutralized
        
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        April 5, 2024 4:15pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Contradikted youself a bit there cos whe”re you said “why do you think no one touches Israel?
        What do you thimk Jamas did on Oct7 when they slaughed all those poor people at the music festival?
        Rapping, torturing. shootong, microwaving babies 🙁
        
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        April 5, 2024 6:06pm
Taieri

Today’s School Strike 4 Climate demands:

To keep the ban on oil and gas exploration, halt the fast track approvals bill, toitū te Tiriti o Waitangi, climate education for all, lower the voting age to 16 and “free Palestine”.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/thousands-expected-national-climate-strike

These demands, in my opinion, do not go far enough.
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April 5, 2024 11:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do these people not work?
  Get a haircut and get a real job. Apologies George Thorogood.
  
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  April 5, 2024 11:43am
  - mogg
    
    After a haircut Bob Seger was never the same again.
    
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    April 5, 2024 12:52pm
  - MCōs
    
    That’s what George’s parents told him and he ignored him
    Now he’s making ten times more than his big brother Bob who took their advice!
    
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    April 5, 2024 4:21pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  David Seymour was absolutely right today – why not protest on the Tuesday when school was shut … or the up and coming school holidays? Let me guess, these kids already know everything ugh
  
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  April 5, 2024 1:52pm
  - MCōs
    
    In thirty years time they’ll still be here running the show and Seymour will be reduced to ringing up all night talk back shows
    
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    April 5, 2024 4:26pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Chloe would get away with telling today’s school kids how cool she was during the Viet Nam War
  
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  April 5, 2024 4:37pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    The trouble is, Chloe would believe it herself
    
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    April 5, 2024 5:26pm
lifesgood

Serious question. When is Newstalk ZB going to employ a night time host who isn’t a rabid lefty?
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April 5, 2024 11:56am
- Ghost
  
  Don’t like it turn it off.
  
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  April 5, 2024 12:05pm
Albie

For those of you who tune into HDPA but sometimes think she is going a bit manic, The Platform have a new drive show host starting middle of the month, 4 till 6. Leah Panapa, the one who lost her job on Today FM for daring to suggest men can’t have babies!
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April 5, 2024 12:03pm
- ecco
  
  Will be interesting to see how Panapa goes. I don’t know much about her. She’s maori and a lot of the content on the Platform is racial discussion (which I happen to like as no one else has the balls to discuss these issues). So wonder if she’ll go as far as the other shock jocks on the Platform calling it as it is!
  
  Will be good to have an alternative to HDPA as I’ve got tired of her show. The only part I tune into is her segment with Barry at 4.45pm. The 4-6pm slot will be a big show for the Platform as there’s a lot to cover.
  
  It’s good to see The Platform going from strength to strength. It must be taking market share off Newstalk ZB. I prefer the long format interviews and fun and crazy stuff they discuss.
  
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  April 5, 2024 5:35pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Yes, HDPA has really gone off. She sounds bitter and is becoming more lefty by the day.
    
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    April 5, 2024 6:22pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Imaginw if they were smart enuf to give Banksie a slot.
    
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    April 5, 2024 6:47pm
Chris Nisbet

What would pucker the ring piece of a public servant in NZ more than one of our ministers announcing he was going to visit Javier Milei in Argentina so he could get some advice on sorting out our ministries?
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April 5, 2024 12:07pm
Hugh Jarse

Isn’t it more accurate to describe today’s student March as deliberate truancy?. These students are in receipt of services; i.e knowledge transfer rather than providing that knowledge transfer as their teachers occasionally do in between school holidays, public holidays and teacher only days ?
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April 5, 2024 12:10pm
- Flossie
  
  School holidays only a week away. Do it then, if they must do it at all.
  
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  April 5, 2024 1:04pm
- Inandout
  
  HJ, this is fodder for the MSM. Then we will hear of teachers moaning because they can’t control the classes.
  
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  April 5, 2024 1:41pm
- lifesgood
  
  If kids miss school in England for no justifiable reason, and this isn’t one, the parents are fined.
  
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  April 5, 2024 6:20pm
Maggie Pie

Yet another woke leftard host on ZB at the moment, complaining about a restaurant charging $37 for a glass of Pinot.
Says he can buy the BOTTLE in NewWorld for 35.

Typical lefty! Never stops to think about the owners overheads…. wages, rent, power, insurance, holding costs, launding, professional fees, interest costs, tax, etc, etc.
And not to mention 15% gst.
Honesly, people like him make me want to take to the tranny with a hammer 🙁
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April 5, 2024 12:48pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I suspect he may be a recently sacked public servant ‘team leader’ or consultant.
  
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  April 5, 2024 1:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner’s mum calls him…. “Simple Simon”
    
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    April 5, 2024 2:32pm
- imalwaysright
  
  $37/glass for a $35 wine is exorbitant . Can’t think of anywhere in NZ that could justify that. Maybe genuine rimu chairs or matching cutlery gave them the impetus, what a treat.
  If their overheads are so big then maybe they are in over their heads.
  Too many wankers in the business and too many gullible customers .
  
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  April 5, 2024 3:27pm
- JohnRidd
  
  You probably need to make it clear when talking about taking to the tranny with a hammer that you are talking about a transistor radio.
  
  Young people may misunderstand you.
  
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  April 5, 2024 4:07pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Perhaps he needs to go to a more affordable joint if he finds that expensive? I take it that was some posh place?
  
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  April 6, 2024 8:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

TOW Comic Part 37.
It was called the Native Land Court, not the Land Taking Court.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/analysis-treaty-of-waitangi-comic-for-high-school-students-has-been-quietly-brainwashing-away-since-2018-part-37/
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April 5, 2024 12:54pm
Jack5

With TV3 teetering, the campaign of a big investor to get part-control of TV3’s parent, Disney, is relevant to NZ.

Activist investor Nelson Peltz has just lost his second bid to disrupt Disney’s board. Shareholders, including big investors Vanguard and Black Rock, voted to keep the billionaire from becoming a director. Peltz’s Trian Fund Management owns $US3.5 billion worth of Disney shares.

Last year, a Peltz move was rejected after Disney’s chief executive, Bob Iger, put forward a plan to slash $US5 billion in costs (probably not unrelated to measures at relatively tiny TV3 in remote NZ).

Peltz said in an interview with the Financial Times that the Disney chief executive, Iger, had overseen a politicisation of Disney.

“People go to watch a movie or a show to be entertained,” Peltz said, talking about the super-hero films “The Marvels” and “Black Panther”. “They don’t go to get a message. Why do I have to have a ‘Marvel’ that’s all women? Not that I have anything against women, but why do I have to do that? Why can’t I have ‘Marvels’ that are both? Why do I need an all-Black cast?”

The Telegraph, of London, says Disney over the past year has failed to score a hit despite releasing films assumed to be box office bankers – including “The Marvels” and “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny”.

However, Disney’s share price has risen about 50 per cent since Peltz began his campaign in October.
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April 5, 2024 1:17pm
- Ghost
  
  Warner bros discovery own 3
  
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  April 5, 2024 1:29pm
  - Jack5
    
    Ghost, you are right.
    
    This is the second time I’ve made this blunder. Apologies to all.
    
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    April 5, 2024 1:46pm
    - Ghost
      
      I think it’s easy to make, there are only a couple of companies that own everything it seems and when you dig down into them it’s usually the same investors that own them. Vanguard own shares in Disney and Warner bros for example
      
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      April 5, 2024 2:08pm
- ecco
  
  Thanks for the update. I sold my Disney shares just before they took off 🥴
  How much did Peltz lose by? Was it close?
  Just shows how much power Vanguard and the ETF companies have.
  
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  April 5, 2024 5:38pm
- Jake Dee
  
  You should check out this guy “Diktor Van Doomcock”
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYPJUalYTy4
  He adopts an over-the-top super villain persona for his “War to Save pop-culture”. I think he was once a Hollywood insider, perhaps a scene writer or special effects guy.
  Another defector from the régime. He has be following the Disney meltdown in great detail for several years now and he has all sorts of spies that feed him inside gossip.
  
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  April 6, 2024 5:47am
Maggie Pie

Anybody heard from Marama Davidson lately?
She must have the shits about something….has even blocked me on X

https://twitter.com/MaramaDavidson
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April 5, 2024 1:38pm
goNZ1

someone has leaked a report to Stuff today –

”A man has been charged and fined after he was caught urinating in a cup on a flight next to passengers.
The 53-year-old was removed from a flight from Auckland at Sydney Airport in December, after receiving a report the man had urinated into a cup while in his seat”

now we know why we cant consume our own duty free on board….
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April 5, 2024 1:45pm
- Inandout
  
  go, had this piss head been obese then nothing would be said.
  
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  April 5, 2024 3:27pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just txt to say that rather than go out for dinner tonite,
we’ll get Thai in from UberEats. He’s keen to watch….. ‘GEOSTORM’.
Must say the special affects look amazeballs!!

https://twitter.com/everymovieplug/status/1775910947820839264

(Has anyone else seen it for a review?)
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April 5, 2024 3:23pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, this is why the students are protesting about climate change, they have seen the movie and believed it.
  
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  April 5, 2024 3:32pm
- Jethrod
  
  Just watched a bit of the clip.
  More science fiction garbage, that tends to the Climate change end of the spectrum.
  Incidentally, when ordering Ubereats, the poor Cafe or restaurant ends up with virtually no profit, it all goes to Uber.
  
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  April 5, 2024 3:33pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Meh. The FX doesn’t look all that much better than late 90’s/2000’s movies like Deep Impact, The Day After Tomorrow and the truly wonderful piece of trash that was 2012
  
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  April 5, 2024 4:21pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  There has been no statistically significant increase in fires, floods, cyclones, droughts or extreme temperatures in the last 100 years. Also in the last 100 years deaths from those events have decreased dramatically. At the same time human produced Co2 has risen significantly. There is no proof that atmospheric Co2 drives any of these things. None of this matters to the climate hysteria grifters.
  
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  April 6, 2024 8:34pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets….

And these retards want to lower the voting-age to 16 !!

https://twitter.com/dianne_torr/status/1776085942379675755

[Mod – check your link]
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April 5, 2024 4:33pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Working for us ok… wot wrong at your end Batman?
  
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  April 5, 2024 5:28pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the left are scum by any standards.
  
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  April 5, 2024 6:13pm
Bridgenag

Anyone know about the ruckus around the Auckland university? Started this morning with cars being towed away and now in peak hour buses galore and loud sounds like a special people event
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April 5, 2024 5:22pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Thousands of snotty nose skool kids marching to Albret Park.
  NZTA telling motorists to expect 2 hour delay getting out of city!
  
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  April 5, 2024 5:31pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    All aided by police then Have been told a car park near by has been red coned for the special ones [probably the school teachers]
    
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    April 5, 2024 5:57pm
Swifty

With a name like that I would have thought a long career awaited him at WorkSafe….

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/513492/worksafe-interim-chief-executive-steve-haszard-resigns-months-into-job
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April 5, 2024 5:57pm
adaman

“I’m afraid because I know I’m going to die from climate change” – a student from the protests on One News

Holy fuck talk about brainwashed.
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April 5, 2024 6:04pm
Southern Raider

Just when you thought it couldn’t get more stupid

Then Māori decide they want to claim ownership of all hydrogen

That ancient Māori periodic table was a thing of scientific wonder
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April 5, 2024 6:16pm
Maggie Pie

Just on the news……
A 25 years old kidnapper shot HIMSELF in the foot with a 12g on the Shore.
Police say hes danderous and should not be approach.
Obviously an unemployted brian surgeon. LOL!!!!!
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April 5, 2024 6:42pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Oh Maggie!
  
  You are a Friday night treasure…..
  
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  April 5, 2024 8:20pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I’m thinking that would have hurt quite a bit (unless he mostly missed his foot).
  
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