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sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLqrrok3L1Q
How Should Republicans Respond To TikTok?
Should they be pleased TikTok is going to be banned? Is it about getting rid of propaganda? Why is it up to the president to ban it? Is it about more than ownership?
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March 17, 2024 8:08am
- Che Guava
  
  As I posted yesterday, banning Tik Tok is not about banning propaganda, it’s about eradicating challenges to US propaganda. TikTok represents a place where you can post practically anything, and a place where any other user could potentially see what you post. That’s how ideas spread, and the status quo has no interest in allowing ideas that they find unacceptable to get a look in.
  
  All the US Big Tech companies are in bed with the US government, and they all push the things the latter supports, and suppress what they don’t, and that is how they keep a lid on dissenting opinion and promulgate a narrative that support the US regime’s interests.
  
  A supposedly “free democratic nation” would neither censor speech on existing platforms in the way they do, nor go right out and ban companies that facilitate it.
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:21am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Che Guava: “As I posted yesterday, banning Tik Tok is not about banning propaganda, it’s about eradicating challenges to US propaganda.”
    
    If what you write is true then why isn’t Twitter/X (not to mention a multitude of other Western based opinion platforms largely free of censorship) up for being banned???
    
    TikTok is highly censored in China . Spin your way out of that one!
    
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    March 17, 2024 5:17pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      You really need to read more widely.
      While Tiktok may be censored in China (along with CNN and other outlets)
      
      Tiktok USA is a seperate company with seperate servers.
      
      Just a short amount of time watching the President of Tiktok USA (A Singaporean, not a communist or member of CCP) being grilled by congress March 2023 may enlighten your US anti china propaganda influenced views.
      
      But of course facts wont change your mind. So be it.
      
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      March 18, 2024 12:36am
- CrazyIvan
  
  Given that many Republicans were the ones calling for it to be banned then most should be happy. Trump tried to ban it when he was President, ordering them to sell their assets in the US.
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:29am
  - Che Guava
    
    What does it say about Republicans when they, or a lot of them, want to ban the thing that may assist them to get what should be an alternative message out?
    
    It tells you they don’t have an alternative message, that they are just a cog in the same monolithic political machine, and are very happy for the censorship to continue. It also suggests that Google et al provide funding to them. In fact, I believe Google is/has been a sponsor of CPAC before. No conflict there, though.
    
    You’d think they’d have learned something when a Republican President got banned from Tik Tok’s US competitors and they censored his supporter’s election rigging claims.
    
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    March 17, 2024 9:45am
  - MCōs
    
    For some reason I’m sure a diehard Trump supporter can explain he’s changed his mind now, or maybe he hasn’t
    
    In Thailand after the most recent coup ten years ago the junta banned Facebook because it was being used to organize protests. The problem was 99% of usage was people sharing family snapshots and the like and there was such a backlash it was back up again almost immediately
    Now the government is quite happy to leave it in place because if they deem someone to be a menace they can go back through years of social media until they find something that could be construed as casting aspersions on the monarchy and lock them up for years after a secret trial with no appeal
    
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    March 17, 2024 10:03am
    - Che Guava
      
      “In Thailand after the most recent coup ten years ago the junta banned Facebook because it was being used to organize protests.”
      
      No different than this case – banning a means of defying the government and the interests it serves.
      
      They want “color revolutions” in Eastern Europe or in the Middle East (in fact, they instigate them) because “freedom” in those places means “US control/influence,” but the last thing the US regime wants is a grass roots color revolution at home. So ban Tik Tok and hide behind “Chyna” as the excuse.
      
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      March 17, 2024 10:10am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Obviously the reason is that it’s almost certainly spyware. It’s also a tool for spreading a lot of fucked up and destructive ideology to America’s youth (again, ideas which the sea see pee bans/censors on TikTok in it’s own country!).
        
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        March 17, 2024 5:23pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Trump did that with an EO. It isn’t easy. Now a consortium led by one of his friends wants to buy it. That’d be great. Then X and TikTok would be run by people who believe in free speech.
    
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    March 17, 2024 7:48pm
- All_on_Red
  
  No one wants to ban Tik Tok.
  They just dont want Tik Tok owned by the Chinese Govt.
  And all the meddling and narrative pushing that the CCP is doing through Tik Tok in the USA.
  The content in China is different than the US. Its very education/family oriented whereas the US aint.
  Much the opposite.
  The CCP are using it to influence young people- in a bad way.
  If the CCP didnt own it then Tik Tok can stay.
  https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/tiktok-s-us-revenue-hit-16b-as-potential-forced-sale-looms-and-earnings-at-beijing-based-parent-jump-40-report/ar-BB1jXB6K
  
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  March 17, 2024 11:29am
  - Scott
    
    All on red – totally agree. The Chinese don’t have Tik Tok. The platform they have is far more family friendly.
    
    China is not our friend.
    
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    March 17, 2024 2:35pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      That’s an amazing piece of cognitive dissonance compressed into a few lines.
      You are Family Friendly! You Bastards! How dare you respect culture and traditions! You are my Enemy!
      
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      March 17, 2024 6:02pm
      - Scott
        
        No, the charge is that the CCP is deliberately undermining America and American culture. That they want to weaken America. Tik Tok is a big player that influences millions of people. What if it is a subversive tool of the CCP?
        
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        March 17, 2024 7:17pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        Alright then, how? How are they doing it?
        How do a group of middle-aged Chinese party bureaucrats in Beijing get a teenaged girl in California to wiggle her bare butt on camera?
        The American cultural industries, Hollywood, Madison Avenue, Broadway, The Ivy League plus the Mainstream Media employ literally millions of people and spend hundreds of billions of dollars every year to influence American culture. How do they get out-foxed and subverted by invisible mind control rays from Beijing?
        You are attributing supernatural powers to the CCP that they just don’t have, as if they know the Americans better than the Americans know themselves and can push their buttons by remote control.
        American culture is produced and controlled by Americans, with the only substantial foreign influences being European and possibly Mexican in a distant third place.
        The CCP are not magicians.
        
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        March 17, 2024 7:53pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    You’re partially right about the video sharing sites in China, you can do your silly cat videos, you can do your making a fun device out of odds and ends and you can even do your dance videos, but you can’t do them in a thong bikini.
    But that’s not a communist conspiracy that’s Chinese culture.
    Slutty sexy and weird queer is American culture reflected back at itself. If you don’t like what you see in the mirror don’t blame the glass maker.
    
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    March 17, 2024 5:59pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yeah, I hope the consortium of Trump’s friends buy it. That’d be a second explicitly free speech platform in the hands of free speech supporters.
    
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    March 17, 2024 7:51pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnpDlzR9Ff4
Chicago All Sanctuaried Out.
Chicago’s Re-thinking its Sanctuary City Status! They can’t handle the Migrants!
Chicago’s sanctuary city status is under scrutiny as the city grapples with the consequences of unfettered illegal immigration. Despite its reputation for welcoming migrants, the reality of accommodating them has proven to be a costly and challenging endeavor, leaving both officials and immigrants dissatisfied.
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March 17, 2024 8:09am
pdm

This is number one
And the fun has just begun
Roll me over in the clover
Roll me over lay me down and do it again.

A little ditty to start the day.
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March 17, 2024 8:13am
- Jethrod
  
  So , your day started well then?
  
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  March 17, 2024 8:37am
  - pdm
    
    Can’t complain Jethrod.
    
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    March 17, 2024 9:18am
- JackRabbit
  
  You mis-spelt d(t)itty.
  
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  March 17, 2024 8:38am
  - pdm
    
    Like the one my father in law used to recite that started:
    
    Oh what a pity
    She had only one titty
    To feed the baby on.
    
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    March 17, 2024 9:22am
Scooter

I’ve been trying to come up with a new name for the Green party, because they are no longer “green” or environmentalists etc. They are just a bunch of crims, activists and frankly a bit crazy and out of touch with the real world.. Maybe the Crim Party, all ideas welcome.
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March 17, 2024 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mafioso Party.
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:18am
- pdm
  
  Green Snot Party.
  
  or
  
  Green Slime Party.
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:19am
  - G152
    
    Red greens
    
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    March 17, 2024 11:12am
- Rich Prick
  
  Ward 4.
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:24am
  - MCōs
    
    I was in Ward 4 at Middlemore with an eclectic mixture of patients, doctors & nurses
    What’s your point, prick
    
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    March 17, 2024 9:39am
    - Rich Prick
      
      If you don’t get it, I’m not going to waste my time spelling it out for you.
      
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      March 17, 2024 10:00am
- Scooter
  
  How about a combo the Grime Party?
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:31am
- bjools
  
  The novel is set in 1984 in Airstrip One, formerly England. Airstrip One is part of the nation Oceania. It is run by an authoritarian-style government called Ingsoc, and it requires complete obedience.
  Perfectly describes their aspirations.
  INGSOC
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:33am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Politburo
  
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  March 17, 2024 11:41am
- NothingLeft
  
  The slow kids party. Their glaring educational deficits and non-comprehension of basic realities are what really make them stand out.
  
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  March 17, 2024 11:41am
- I remember when
  
  The Verdigris Party, mildly poisonous!
  
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  March 17, 2024 2:00pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The Special* Party.
  
  * when so & so was described as ‘special’ my kids would always chorus ‘needs’.
  
  Different times …
  
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  March 17, 2024 5:55pm
- Jake Dee
  
  “Watermelon” is quite good, you know Green on the outside, Red on the inside, and of course they are all rather “Fruity”.
  
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  March 17, 2024 6:08pm
Yvette

Various media have mentioned the basic clauses of the proposed ACT Waitangi Principles Bill and that they equate with the three parts of the 1840 Treaty –

1 The New Zealand Government has the right to govern New Zealand.
2 The New Zealand Government will protect all New Zealanders’ authority over their land and other property.
3 All New Zealanders are equal under the law, with the same rights and duties

At the recent Hui ā Motu at Turangawaewae Marae –

Kiingi Tūheitia called for Te Tiriti o Waitangi to be written into legislation so politicians “can’t change nothing”.
He didn’t make specific references to any proposed legislation but did indicate his strong condemnation for the Treaty Principles Bill, created by Act and agreed to in its coalition with National. “There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/maori-king-calls-for-hope-over-protest-while-dismissing-govt-treaty-bill/M2EXZG3JLNHTPFKEEUFK7Z5QXY/

– the Maori King says the Treaty should be written into legislation, so politicians (and others like judges and courts) cannot meddle with it, while Seymour says it has already been meddled with, starting in the 1980s through to now, and it should be returned to the version Kiingi Tūheitia wants embedded in law, with no “principles”?

So are Maori, specifically Kingitanga, now advancing an agenda that requires apparent wilful blindness to the fact that the ACT Waitangi Principles Bill, on the face of it, strives to do what Kiingi Tūheitia calls for?
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March 17, 2024 8:20am
- Paulus
  
  Can’t remember when I voted for the Tainui so called King, nor the Waitangi Tribunal.
  
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  March 17, 2024 10:31am
- Jake Dee
  
  I don’t like clause 1.
  “The New Zealand Government has the right to govern New Zealand.”
  
  Pointless and absurd. The Government is The Government because it Governs. It doesn’t need permission and it has been granted no “Rights”.
  You might as well say “The Steam Engine is the Engine of Steam, and it has the right to be a Steam Engine.”
  Pointless and possibly dangerous,
  Do you see that bit from “Games of Thrones” when Joffery screams “I AM THE KING!”?
  His Grandfather correctly points out to him that any man who has to SAY he is the King is not a true King.
  
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  March 17, 2024 6:17pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    Agreed in theory but unfortunately it seems it needs to be spelled out for some people, who are under an illusion that Maori tribal elites should have equal governance status.
    
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    March 18, 2024 3:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Friday Fani Willis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IjR8m_lLow
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March 17, 2024 8:25am
- Rich Prick
  
  Brilliant. Except that it’s not satire.
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s a montage of about 5 part clips.
    
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    March 17, 2024 9:16am
Chuck Bird

Dame Jacinda Ardern distances herself from new, part-publicly funded $3.2 million documentary film

It looks like the taxpayer may end up paying another $1.2 million on top of the $800k.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/dame-jacinda-ardern-distances-herself-from-new-part-publicly-funded-32-million-documentary-film/S6VGP3KRQNDD3FAVQSIYFDKSC4/
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March 17, 2024 8:38am
- JackRabbit
  
  In the same way that Mallard distanced himself from what he did to the protesters at Wellington?
  
  Ireland is not far enough in her case.
  
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  March 17, 2024 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You know she tells lies right?
  
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  March 17, 2024 8:55am
- Scooter
  
  A different perspective you won’t see in MSM NZ.
  
  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skynews.com.au/insights-and-analysis/inside-the-new-32million-jacinda-ardern-documentary-critics-say-is-dangerously-close-to-taxpayerfunded-propaganda/news-story/c80426ba5230a6ab71dc5a94fcadfb8b%3famp
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:05am
- cmm
  
  This is the same Cindy who said she didn’t want to be party leader because it was incompatible with her desire to make babies.
  
  Then 2 months later…
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:19am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She knows this tax payer money will see the public hate her even more, now we have Robertson babbling on he did not get party leader because he is gay, telling us, but it’s his hypocritical party that did the dirty work against him
    
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    March 17, 2024 11:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I am starting to think Ardern enjoys the hate directed at her.
      A narcissist. “Hate me all you want, but I screwed you big time you bastards.”
      
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      March 17, 2024 1:51pm
    - mandk
      
      Robbo didn’t get the Labour party leadership because he is a gas bag and not particularly relatable, not because he is homosexual.
      
      His whining about it is a bit like Efeso Collins whining he didn’t win the Auckland Mayoralty because he was brown.
      
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      March 17, 2024 7:07pm
Cassandra

If only: Donald Henderson was a renowned epidemiologist who presided over the eradication of smallpox. No dummy. In 2006, Henderson published an academic paper critical of social distancing as a pandemic measure, saying it would “result in significant disruption of the social functioning of communities and result in possibly serious economic problems”. If only we’d read his paper or listened to him instead of the panic merchants. Not just Ardern etc, all over the world apart from Sweden.
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March 17, 2024 8:50am
- cmm
  
  Perhaps you have it upside down.
  
  Perhaps Cindy et al DID read the paper (well in Cindy’s case she had people draw pictures for her with glitter and crayons).
  
  Perhaps they did understand what the impact would be. And then saw the opportunity to wreck society.
  
  DPF and others give Cindy et al a degree of a free pass by saying her heart was in the right place and she was misinformed. Well maybe they are wrong. Maybe she and her cronies were well informed and destruction was their goal.
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:24am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “(well in Cindy’s case she had people draw pictures for her with glitter and crayons).”
    
    I heard her once describe the days Prime Ministerial appointments as “activities”.
    Maybe the documentaly should be a cartoon.
    
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    March 17, 2024 9:56am
  - Cassandra
    
    If that’s the case (and I prefer cockup over conspiracy) then she was in good company – an awful lot of governments did the same.
    
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    March 17, 2024 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Destruction of Capitalism was the goal. People were just collateral damage.
    The attitude is that capitalists would never vote for her anyway so fuck them.
    Nasty woman.
    
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    March 17, 2024 1:56pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      That’s exactly what it was.
      
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      March 17, 2024 3:54pm
- Pavel
  
  All over the world apart from Sweden? Most of Africa, South America and the middle east didn’t do lockdowns as a large chunk of their populations live day to day and lockdowns would of starved them. Interesting to note that the countries with the lowest Vax rates didn’t have many deaths. No bodies in freezer trucks parked out the back of hospitals. Something I’ve noticed in my little world, and it could be coincidence, is that the only people getting covid now are the vaxxed. I’ve even had vaxxed people tell me I should get vaxxed as they’ve had it 3 times now and it is getting worse and worse. The vast majority of people I know are unvaxxed and have had it once.
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:27am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    I’m not vaxed and got a very mild case of Covid19 in mid 2023. Symptoms more like a cold for three days, not like the flu.
    
    The vaccinated wife got it first and shared it with me. She was bedridden for a week.
    
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    March 17, 2024 11:41am
  - GJM
    
    South America and Chile certainly did lockdowns, using the Army, roadblocks and 24hrs notice. My oldest was marooned there for 6 months until he could get out and an MIQ spot.
    
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    March 17, 2024 8:32pm
- MCōs
  
  Are you referring to this
  https://www.aier.org/article/how-a-free-society-deals-with-pandemics-according-to-legendary-epidemiologist-and-smallpox-eradicator-donald-henderson/
  The article says
  
  “Maintaining Personal Distance
  
  It has been recommended that individuals maintain a distance of 3 feet or more during a pandemic so as to diminish the number of contacts with people who may be infected.[79] [80] The efficacy of this measure is unknown. It is typically assumed that transmission of droplet-spread diseases, such as influenza, is limited to “close contacts”—that is, being within 3–6 feet of an infected person.[81] Keeping a space of 3 feet between individuals might be possible in some work environments, but it is difficult to imagine how bus, rail, or air travelers could stay 3 feet apart from each other throughout an epidemic. And such a recommendation would greatly complicate normal daily tasks like grocery shopping, banking, and the like.”
  
  It’s not critical of social distancing, but says it would be difficult to maintain. It mentions bus, rail and air travel, banking and grocery shopping.
  Well
  For most people all those can easily be avoided if they have a mind to
  
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  March 17, 2024 11:02am
Fisiani2

Happy St Patrick’s Day
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March 17, 2024 8:52am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Begorrah!
  
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  March 17, 2024 5:57pm
- Jake Dee
  
  Here’s a little-known fact.
  Saint Patrick was a slave.
  True story.
  
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  March 17, 2024 6:21pm
Chuck Bird

I bet Jack Tame does not hardly mention the Green crimes this morning on Q & A.
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March 17, 2024 8:54am
- Chuck Bird
  
  He did not mention them at all and went very easy on Robertson compared to Reti who will be on Marea shortly.
  
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  March 17, 2024 10:20am
Bridgenag

How Did American Capitalism Mutate Into American Corporatism?
The de facto state actors. Article by Jeffrey A. Tucker

“The old binaries of the public and private sector – widely assumed by every main ideological system –have become so blurred that they no longer make much sense. And yet we are ideologically and philosophically unprepared to deal with this new world with anything like intellectual insight. Not only that, it can be extremely difficult even to tell the good guys from the bad guys in the news stream. We hardly know anymore for whom to cheer or boo in the great struggles of our time. “

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/how-did-american-capitalism-mutate?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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March 17, 2024 9:03am
- bjools
  
  Corporate weakness combined with political corruption?
  Corporations trying to manipulate politics.
  Politicians pressuring and manipulating corporations to advance their political aims personal and ideological.
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:41am
igm

Is the announcer on NewstalkZB weekends (Lever) suffering from constipation, seems to have an effort speaking!
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March 17, 2024 9:08am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Agree igm, it certainly sounds that way !
  
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  March 17, 2024 11:35am
- Dodger
  
  Yes that’s what it must be. She sounds completely different whenever I’ve seen her on television.
  
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  March 18, 2024 10:06am
bjools

Some reading on recent history.
For US replace with NZ.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/new-report-blasts-governments-response-covid-warns-repeating-mistakes
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March 17, 2024 9:28am
- bjools
  
  Particularly note;
  The level of EXCESS non covid deaths.
  Something we have not even looked in to here.
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If there was a contraceptive vaccine, but after taking it you could still get pregnant, and you still had to wear a condom, would you still take it?
It really is that stupid.
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March 17, 2024 9:45am
- Yvette
  
  If it was a contraceptive vaccine would you not get so severely pregnant as they claimed, or for that pregnancy to put you in hospital or perhaps even reach full term-ination?
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    After taking the contraceptive vaccine you might just get a little bit pregnant!
    
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    March 17, 2024 2:10pm
- bjools
  
  A pill made of a concrete substitute.
  Not taken internally.
  You put it in your shoe, it makes you limp.
  
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  March 17, 2024 10:00am
- imalwaysright
  
  S.O
  
  Bret Weinstein put forward the idea that, considering 1) the effectiveness of the propaganda campaign, 2) the misuse of PCR testing by running them 40+ times instead of 22 times, thereby getting a high rate of false positives, and 3) the concept of “asymptomatic covid”, that there was no requirement to have an actual virus!
  He did say that he believed there was a virus, whether or not it was a variant of an existing strain or a new strain he couldn’t say, but it is certainly an interesting thesis.
  
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  March 17, 2024 10:29am
  - Master Mariner
    
    In addition, He stated he has seen “evidence” that 17 million excess deaths are attributed too the Vaccine World Wide.
    
    That’s more than WW1,WW2, combined.
    
    In the meantime , The Life Insurance Business is taking a hit.
    The average Life expectancy has dropped by 3 years by latest figure in the US.
    
    Pretty easy to join the Dots.
    
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    March 17, 2024 10:51am
    - Grunter
      
      I agree. And when they tell you that no one is allowed to join the dots, even when the dots are in the millions, that’s when you know something is up.
      
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      March 17, 2024 12:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Well my clock out age is 90. If I only make it to 87 I will know who to blame, the ‘safe and effective’ nutcase.
      I will haunt her and all connected, right through to that lying prick Fauci.
      
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      March 17, 2024 2:16pm
KH

I learned something here on Kiwiblog the last few days. Landlords told me no interest deducting landlord every bought a property with the intention of capital gain.
Who would have thought?
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March 17, 2024 9:47am
- Paulus
  
  All very well but look back and see where Ardern and Robertson disallowed a legitimate taxable consideration be abolished.
  So what happened – those Mums and Dads with
  a pension house said – it is no longer having a rental as we are losing money, so we will sell the property (and go to say secure Term Deposits).
  That is why there are so few rentals now as a result of the stupid Labour Marxist policy.
  So less properties higher Rents.
  
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  March 17, 2024 10:38am
  - MCōs
    
    I presume you mean less properties being built.
    Logically there’s no such thing as less properties
    
    Maybe there are less houses being built, but around this area there’s a lot of new shoe boxes for people to squeeze into. Owner occupied, rental and state housing
    I don’t know, but I’d have thought the requirement to bring older homes up to a new standard would be an incentive for some people to sell.
    
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    March 17, 2024 12:46pm
    - artemisia
      
      Assuming the new standard is Healthy Homes compliance, here is a sample of two. Basic cottages on a family farm are no longer occupied. Sound but basic, cheap rent and always in demand as they are close to an urban centre. Cost of upgrading to standard, plus many and complex other rules, just not worth it. Storage and implements now.
      
      With the HH heating rules, interesting to note some Auckland owners with new builds are upset that they are too hot. Some other new build owners are finding that HH compliance is not the same as building code compliance – more cost, unless they live there themselves of course.
      
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      March 17, 2024 1:02pm
    - greybeard
      
      “Fewer houses”. “Fewer properties”.
      Please , try and get it right.
      
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      March 17, 2024 8:07pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  It would be pretty irrational to acquire a property with a view to eventual capital gains, but then not take the opportunity to increase the return on the investment by converting it into an income stream in the meantime.
  
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  March 17, 2024 12:44pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Just out of curiosity I asked ChatGPT what are the pros and cons of interest deductibility for rental properties?
    
    The answer is a bit long to be a posting, but it does seem to cover all the bases that I can think of .. I didn’t bother tidying up the formatting …
    
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/16NO1uV98FJUoW_QKJL2p9lY3PrsjzF0cSS-10Ukbjr4/edit?usp=sharing
    
    Came back in a few seconds – spooky …
    
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    March 17, 2024 1:26pm
nathie

There are still some puzzling aspects of the recent student protest against David Seymour that have been left unanswered. Now of course anyone has the right to protest, but there is usually a time and a place. And usually one gets permission to stage a protest (as we saw in 2022 with the Parliament protests i.e. permission from the Speaker was required, which was ultimately denied).

1. So did the student protest happen during a break time (eg lunchtime or morning/afternoon break time)? Or during school time?

2. If during school time, who gave the students permission to not attend classes and instead go to a protest?

3. Did their teachers clear this with school leadership? Or were no teachers involved and the students went rouge?

Unlike the past I don’t think there needs to be any repercussions for the students involved (after all David Seymour stated he wasn’t concerned), but at the very least an apology should be issued.

And/or an acknowledgement that the students were misinformed (eg they stated they thought they would be paying for their lunches)!

But who should be issuing an apology? The students or potentially the teachers if they had happened to instigate the student protest?

I suppose one could say “who cares” now so leave it alone, but surely there needs to be some accountability otherwise a rinse and repeat incident could occur in the future? As I said at the start anyone has the right to protest, but there are protocols and surely protests shouldn’t be the result of misinformation as it makes the protesters look a bit silly and the School’s reputation is damaged!
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March 17, 2024 9:48am
- Yvette
  
  Or were no teachers involved and the students went rouge?
  
  People, who appear to be women teachers, can be seen in the video with arms held wide to hold students in line during the incident, as well as presumably security standing beside Seymour.
  
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  March 17, 2024 10:06am
  - pdm
    
    Yvette – a guard of honour that went wrong?
    
    nathie – I think there should be consequences for the spitter and other leaders.
    
    Hell if we had stepped out of line like that during any official visit to the school we would have have:
    1. Got a few on the arse
    2. And been sweeping the quadrangle every day for a month.
    3. And been dropped for at least one game from sports teams.
    
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    March 17, 2024 10:30am
    - G152
      
      Just pick out the protesters by their actions and expel them.
      No doubt their masters will find them alternate places
      
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      March 17, 2024 11:19am
- Paulus
  
  Oy Oy Oy its Palmerston North !
  So No Consequences !
  
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  March 17, 2024 10:39am
- AitchW
  
  I think to call it a protest is being far too generous. It was a rabble of imbeciles snatching an opportunity to intimidate a member of a government that they have been programmed to believe is determined to disadvantage said rabble and its peers.
  
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  March 17, 2024 1:12pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Now imagine what would have happened if students had protested in this manner to:
  
  1. Jacinda Ardern – for her destruction of young people to supposedly save Granny. Imagine what would have happened to that student mob if they had violently waved a flag in her face and spat at her feet?
  
  2. Nanaia Mahuta- for her corruption and nepotism and dividing NZ by stealth. Imagine what would have happened to that student mob if they had violently waved a flag in her face and spat at her feet?
  
  The right in NZ needs to grow a backbone and call out bad behaviour on the left more stridently. Letting badly behaved children away with bad behaviour results in increased bad behaviour— inherently creating injustice to those effected by the behaviour. Seymour may have a thick skin but what about the good students in Freyberg who have to put up with these idiots everyday.
  
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  March 17, 2024 2:24pm
Maggie Pie

NYP HEADLINE

Funny isn’t it, how the MSM keep coming up with all these different euphemisms.

“SUV DRIVER”

https://trib.al/cuLsfrz

It’s the same here of course. Don’t mention “the black guy”
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March 17, 2024 10:05am
- hookerphil
  
  Very dark photo – must have been taken at night. Hers is ok though.
  
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  March 17, 2024 10:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Got me thinking about it a couple of days ago when they described the Fryberg hoicker as…. “a student”.
    According to the DoE site, the school is Co-ed and the roll 50/50 Maori & Pakeha.
    
    People like me could have easily jumped to conclusions that it might have been some cheeky blonde girl brought up in a state house.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    March 17, 2024 12:06pm
Gravelroad

Youngish relative recently moved house (semi rural) which has gas for cooking and hot water.
She took over the previous owner’s gas supplier.
Has been out of gas now for more than two weeks. Supplier keeps saying they will deliver on this day and that day, but havn’t.
She urgently needs gas supply and has told them this but they take no action – there is no issue with outstanding accounts.
Is there a shortage of gas?
Or is it just because she doesn’t live in town and they can’t be bothered providing a service?
Same issue with courier company which was unable to deliver a small parcel from their small town depot for more than two weeks – allegedly due to not enough drivers.
This one was a town delivery, not rural.
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March 17, 2024 10:42am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Buy a 9kg bottle & fill it at the local petrol station.
  
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  March 17, 2024 6:02pm
AitchW

If said relative has a bbq they can use the bottle from that as an emergency supply. The power companies have very rigid supply dates for LPG and will charge for supply outside the planned date.
There is no shortage of LPG, but there is a shortage of delivery drivers who can turn up to work every day.
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March 17, 2024 11:10am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Toxic Tova twists the knife deep into hopeless Luxon’s back.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350214575/it-incites-rage-police-verdict-luxon-interview

I have never seen a dud Prime Minister in my life.
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March 17, 2024 11:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  WHAT??
  You have never even seen a photo/picture of Jacinda Ardern??
  You must be walking around with your headlights off 🙂
  
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  March 17, 2024 3:55pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Steve Otto from North Shore – Luxon wss heaping praise on Cindy on Friday in Christchurch. Just sayin…dumb and dumber fits the bill.
    
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    March 17, 2024 4:17pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Probably a strategy of never slagging individual people off. Not bad in itself, but he should vigorously call out crap ideology and crap policy.
      
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      March 17, 2024 5:32pm
Ghost

I can’t remember the last time we got any nz post mail. Do government departments still use it? I know the hospital doesn’t, they use dx

The union that represents postal workers has written to the Minister for State Owned Enterprises (SOE) over NZ Post’s plans to lay off all its posties in favour of using contractors.

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March 17, 2024 12:02pm
- MCōs
  
  My sister was visiting a couple of her daughters in Europe and England during our winter and being kind of old fashioned sent us all post cards.
  They were interesting, but not as interesting as the varying times they took to be delivered. That last one made it about a month after she returned home
  No wonder election results take so long to finalize. There’s probably postal votes still dribbling in from Mongolia or wherever that could bring down the government if the election commission wasn’t sworn to secrecy
  
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  March 17, 2024 12:26pm
- peterwn
  
  Police and parking wardens still use it for mailing speeding and parking tickets and courthouses still send jury notices out by snailmail. IRD on the other hand do not use snailmail if the taxpayer has a email address. The other significant snailmail users are charities. Something the Government needs to consider is what will need to do when the snailmail system collapses and any physical letters would need to be sent by courier at vastly greater expense.
  Apparently DX has been hanging in waiting for this eventuality to happen since they can pick up contracts for delivering NZ Post items.
  
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  March 17, 2024 5:30pm
Jack5

Know where you’re going, constable ..

Police wages in the Northern Territory and Darwin feature in media coverage about NZ police claims, and the appeal of Aussie wages.

NZ police thinking of going to the Northern Territory might consider downsides of a post to Alice Springs, the second biggest city in the NT (or third biggest if you consider Palmerston, the satellite city growing near Darwin).

The first video below is by someone who says he’s an ex-convict, but it gives a taste of Alice Springs when the sun goes down.

The city is a tourist destination, and gained now fading rosy connotations decades ago from a romantic war film, “A Town Like Alice”.

But holy shit …

https://youtu.be/YGz1Tiaying?si=odrPvOYBT8EkcbVH

For a lighter view of ” Territorians” – and their customs:

https://youtu.be/yzlieUL5vRA?si=CowkJYOROKzZmjRW
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March 17, 2024 12:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

TOW Comic Part 19.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/analysis-treaty-of-waitangi-comic-for-high-school-students-has-been-quietly-brainwashing-away-since-2018-part-19/?
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March 17, 2024 1:31pm
Swifty

I know of Reality Check Radio, but have never listened to them – but here is Stuff describing them as ‘fringe’:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350215364/watch-live-winston-peters-gives-his-verdict-state-nation-speech

Why ‘fringe’ I wonder, as opposed to ‘new’ or ‘emerging’ or even ‘small’ or similar?

Hell, what about ‘new wave’ or ‘innovative’ or something like that?

But, no. Let’s go with something that sneakily implies some sort of lunacy, fanaticism or a touch of uncleanliness.

I read a quote the other day which I hope to remember for the rest of my life. It was along the lines of “You can call something ‘hate-speech’ but you can just as correctly call it ‘public opinion”.

What a great and incisive thing to write.

[Mod – is this the article you mean https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350190368/fringe-radio-station-chats-ministers-and-conspiracy-theorists-alike%5D
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March 17, 2024 1:52pm
- DimChappie
  
  Wrong link, I think. ”Fringe” does not appear in the article.
  
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  March 17, 2024 2:17pm
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks.
    
    The article has changed since the time I posted it.
    
    When I posted it Peters was yet to speak, Stuff were just describing the crowd and mentioned the presence of Realty Check Radio, but I note now that reportage is gone and it now covers the actual content of his speech.
    
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    March 17, 2024 3:02pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Dying media company sees small start up that didnt take PIJF Monies and doesnt push all things Maori = good, all things European = Evil and oppressive
  
  Dying media company, like its snowflake readers, confronted by something it doesnt agree with uses marginalising names to retain sense of superiority and rightness…
  
  Die Stuff, Die
  
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  March 17, 2024 2:19pm
- Swifty
  
  Thank you Mod but no, what happened is exactly as I’ve described it below.
  
  Stuff have re-written the story once Peters delivered his speech.
  
  I’ve never even seen that McConnell piece from more than two weeks ago – but I do note of course there’s that ‘fringe’ word again.
  
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  March 17, 2024 4:53pm
- Albie
  
  Interesting how Luxon states he is happy for his MP’s and those of his coalition partners to be interviewed on a variety of media outlets, RCR and The Platform to name but two, but won’t appear himself on either.
  I honestly don’t know what it is with Luxon, whether it’s him or his media minders, but if he doesn’t start engaging with the new media that many of us are moving to he could end up being a short term PM.
  But what would I know.
  
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  March 17, 2024 5:53pm
  - Ghost
    
    Luxon has been on the platform a few times before becoming pm.
    
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    March 17, 2024 6:12pm
    - kowtow
      
      Plunkett in his interview with the cancelled comedy writer Graham Linehan mentioned that Luxo won’t go on his show .
      
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      March 17, 2024 7:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        It would have to be since being pm
        
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        March 17, 2024 7:32pm
  - peterwn
    
    ‘But what would I know’
    Precisely. Chris and his key people are perfectly well aware of the pro’s and con’s of appearing on particular media outlets. He is not going to appear on outlets that do not treat him with due respect and courtesy. There are enough outlet and journos who will give him a fair go, so why bother with those who will not?
    
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    March 17, 2024 7:56pm
Hollyfield

Grant Robertson blames the Labour Party’s homophobia for his failure. Maybe that’s true. But in my right wing circles we judge people on ability, not on identity.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/grant-robertsons-sexuality-a-factor-in-unsuccessful-leadership-bids-he-says/DKDA2FG5SFBHDNGRQLNAJMQWVQ/
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March 17, 2024 2:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Herald article makes it very clear that it was Labour Party members who defeated Robertson’s bid for leadership
  
  when additional votes from the party’s broader membership and union affiliations were tallied, he was defeated.
  
  But RNZ at 3pm news ran the story indicating that it was Labour Party voters whosquashed Robertson’s bid for leadership.
  
  Well, it can’t have been ordinary voters…as they don’t have any say in Labour Party selections.
  
  The Labour Party needs to own its own shit…and look at itself for harbouring folks with prejudice against others.
  
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  March 17, 2024 4:06pm
  - Hollyfield
    
    Yes, but why did they vote him down – his sexuality, or because they didn’t have confidence he could do the job?
    
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    March 17, 2024 8:13pm
- PurplePen
  
  It would have been the PI block mostly from South Aucks. All very religious and homosexuals still a big no no in their community. Sad but true.
  
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  March 17, 2024 4:39pm
- miltonF
  
  Is Grant seriously claiming that the Labour party are homophobic?
  
  That’s hilarious for more than one reason. When did he become a comedian?
  
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  March 17, 2024 9:46pm
Elli

When I was young and full of the kind of youth that opens doors and exceeds self-examination, I met a barrister who would’ve been a bit older than I am now.

We both worked in a multi-level building with basic by today’s standard mag-key locked elevators. One afternoon I was inside the lift and just before the doors closed this person stepped in from his office. I think that whole floor was his office. I wasn’t a nosey person, though I remember seeing the shelves of books and dark furniture.

So I’m in there and he introduces himself, like a work colleague might, an equal almost, though I did not work with him, or for his office. My role had nothing to do with the law.

He starts talking to me about the people who work in the building and little pieces of specific-but-not-over-familiar information about them and their personalities and what he does and how pleased he is to meet me. The ride from his floor to the ground takes just a minute, and we stood in the lobby as he finished talking. He was a very engaging person, with an attractiveness that wasn’t so much physical as really just a warm and complimentary presence.

As he’s using his key to let us out he mentions about the importance of the security of the building, in an off-hand sort of way, just to sum up, nothing specific, totally in context to what he he’d been talking about. We said good bye and by the time I was half way down the street I realised I’d forgotten to lock the elevator the day before.

That’s thirty years ago now, and I’ve never met a person that could speak like him since. The effect his style had on me, other than me remembering our meeting, is that I wanted to be able to do what he could with language, with self control, and to be as open and welcoming while still being strong and instructive. I never forgot to lock the door again. The correction didn’t sting one bit – I was awestruck with admiration for his method. He was a busy person, obviously, and I doubt he had time to spend thinking about me for a single moment, yet his mind had constructed what to say and how much time he had to say it, probably within moments of seeing me pass by. The correction made me want to be a better person, and though I’m not at his level yet I hope I find something close of my own.

When I see people screaming and yelling and asserting their rights, leveraging their power, and announcing their status and experience, I think of that lesson from a master.
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March 17, 2024 3:04pm
Maggie Pie

ROYAL FAMILY UPDATE

Concern is growing by the day about the disappearence of Princess Kate 🙁
And this doco from Aussies ‘7NEWS’ only adds to the speculation.

https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1769036846036595139

I firmly believe she is still laying low following a Rhytidectomy.
(My partner’s mum never showed herself for nearly 6 months after.)
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March 17, 2024 3:06pm
- Ghost
  
  Here’s some conspiracy for you, Mike went missing from the blog around the same time that Catherine went missing……
  
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  March 17, 2024 3:32pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder if anyone has checked in his mum & dad’s barn 🙁
    
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    March 17, 2024 4:10pm
- CAKE FACE1
  
  David Icke has very helpfully explained what is going on with Princess Kate et al.
  
  The British Royal family are possessed by shapeshifting reptilian aliens from the Draco constellation. These reptilian humanoids use mind-control abilities to infiltrate humanity, and feed from our fear.
  
  Before you laugh about the UK’s misfortune at being ruled by a reptilian royal family, it should be noted that the evil Cindy Ardern is in fact also a blood-drinking, reptilian kitten-eater from another planet.
  
  Note also that lizard people cannot lie about their reptilian status. When asked if they are lizards, they either have to avoid answering the question, or admit that they are.
  
  Who will ask Cindy if she is a lizard? Is this a suitable task for our lamestream media, before they go completely bankrupt?
  
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  March 17, 2024 4:22pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “David Icke has very helpfully explained what is going on with Princess Kate et al. The British Royal family are possessed by shapeshifting reptilian aliens from the Draco constellation.”
    
    I believe Mr Icke developed some “interesting” ideas after a number of Ayahuasca (a jungle plant brew containing the powerful hallucinogen DMT) sessions in the South American jungle.
    
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    March 17, 2024 5:37pm
Ghost

This will be an interesting show. I don’t think there is a way back for the USA, it’s been invaded

A long-awaited and highly requested guest of the show, Michael Yon, joins us to uncover his investigation into the Darién Gap located between Colombia and Panama since President Biden took office. Since then, Michael has been on location, reporting on the dozens of routes being taken and the dramatic increase of illegal migrations to the United States. We learn about the importance of this historic piece of land and how NGOs are flooding into the area. Yon estimates approximately 3,000 migrants are making their way through each day, but the infrastructure continues to improve, allowing for more efficient travel. We learn about the continued involvement of the Chinese and how they are leveraging the border crisis to further their own standing on the world stage. Michael later discusses the upcoming famine he believes is on track to strike the globe.

Inside the Most Dangerous Migrant Route Where Military-Age Males Invade the U.S. | Official Preview
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March 17, 2024 3:47pm
Maggie Pie

Just watched Winston delivering his State-of-the-Nation address….
‘LIVE FROM PALMERSTON NORTH’

He’d be one of the few, looking at the people last time we drove thru there 😀
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March 17, 2024 4:52pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, you must remember Remuera has its fair share of wealthy aged, mainly female because the males have dropped off after a life of creating assets. Lovely homes in that area though.
  
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  March 17, 2024 5:53pm
Jack5

Winston Peters delivered an NZ First Party “state of the nation” speech at Palmerston North today, lambasting Labour, the Greens, the Maori Party, and the news media.

You can hear and see him thundering away at the link below.

“We inherited a broken economy, a fractured society, and a country on the road to social disaster, ” Peters said.

That road was paved with the naivety and incompetence of a lost Labour Government.

After the 2020 election without “the handbrake” [presumably in its coalition with NZ First], Labour cared more about feelings and ideology than the need to competently govern the country, Peters said.

He quoted an Auckland newspaper column today saying the Coalition Government faced a $5.6 billion fiscal hole.

The writer, Vernon Small, was right, said Peters, but he was wrong when he said that last year politicians were warned of the hole, and challenged Small for evidence otherwise.

Small, a veteran reporter, became a Labour staffer.

The old-style Peters political speech, with plenty of fire, lasts more than an hour, and in the video clip gets under way about 5 min after the introductory hoopla.

https://www.youtube.com/live/rA61gxX3_uw?si=fb2NF0AAfmoasvZR
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March 17, 2024 5:15pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  O what fun!
  
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  March 17, 2024 6:06pm
- sungsamning
  
  Thanks for the link.
  
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  March 17, 2024 8:24pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350215195/grant-robertson-says-being-gay-factor-unsuccessful-labour-leadership-runs
Grant: you are not “gay”.
You are a homosexual.
Surely someone who makes their living out of absolutes such as taxes and profits and finance and interest rates and percentages should use the correct terminolgy.
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March 17, 2024 6:30pm
- mandk
  
  Please can we have a campaign so that heterosexual people can reclaim the word “gay”?
  
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  March 17, 2024 7:08pm
  - Ghost
    
    Why, are you butt hurt over it?
    
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    March 17, 2024 7:16pm
    - mandk
      
      I’m not.
      
      I just object to the fact that homosexuals get up in arms when others attach a different meaning to the word.
      
      A year or two ago, young people were using the word to mean weak or unimpressive, without implying it referred to homosexuals. I thought that was fair enough. One group appropriated the word and changed its meaning, so why can’t another do the same?
      
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      March 17, 2024 9:04pm
      - Ghost
        
        Poor you. Maybe you should try growing up
        
        I’ve never come across a gay person yet that gets butt hurt over the use of the word gay, but I have no doubt there are idiots in in the gay community that do, just like the idiots on here that do. All you need to get over yourself and grow up.
        
        If someone wants to call themself gay that is up to them, not some stupid old gits that get butt hurt over the word.
        
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  Ummm Grant, you are unlikable. That is all. You never made it to leader for the same reason you could never run any commercial enterprise. No one likes you, and no one would do business with you. You have landed the best gig you’ll ever get because your horrible personality doesn’t matter there.
  
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Swifty

A disgraceful waste of taxpayer money:

https://www.facebook.com/share/H4PGetwNB29xJi3a/?mibextid=WC7FNe

You want that woo woo? Well then you pay for it.

The people who approved this boondoggle should be named and put in public stocks.
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- Ghost
  
  I have a friend in the uk that will bless/cleanse a home, she doesn’t charge.
  
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    What people do in their private lives is entirely up to them – but this superstitious mumbo jumbo should not be a cost of taxpayers in a modern secular democracy in my view.
    
    And I’d be just as concerned if it was Catholic priests or Buddhist monks. The state should stay right out of this stuff and most certainly shouldn’t be favouring one belief system over others as they are doing here.
    
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