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NeverMindTheBollocks

No worries, Tova. Let’s all go get jobs in Comms – wait, what?

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/511548/te-whatu-ora-health-nz-slashes-number-of-comms-staff
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March 13, 2024 8:02am
- Random T Person
  
  Dammit, while I see the need for being rid of these parasites, I am a freelance writer…so lots of new competition. Though I do operate in a very specific niche which nobody else likes, so-
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:36am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    It’s at times like these that people realize just how niche they really are…
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:03am
    - jkt
      
      Nelson City Council.
      2009. Very competent communications department. Her name was Andrea.
      2013. An entire floor of communications staff and if you did not have a personal friend on that floor you could not accomplish anything! No more Andrea.
      2024? Wake up Nick Smith.
      
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      March 13, 2024 10:19am
- rouppe
  
  “Slashes…”
  
  Give me a break. They lose 16 leaving 125 and they call that slashing?
  
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  March 13, 2024 12:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Cook Straight Ferry sailing cancelled.
Happening a lot. Is it because of age, lack of maintenance, or sabotage?
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March 13, 2024 8:05am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I wouldn’t rule out paranoia, either by the operator or the regulator. Neither of them pay any price when sailings are cancelled, but they may be blamed if there is a problem during a voyage, so the incentive is to cancel on the slightest excuse.
  
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  March 13, 2024 8:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So sabotage. Just undo and lose one critical bolt and say ‘safety first.’
    
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    March 13, 2024 8:32am
    - Jethrod
      
      The critical nut is the one holding the wheel .
      
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      March 13, 2024 9:57am
  - Spring Bank Westie
    
    Probably just being cautious after what happened with that Latam flight the other day.
    
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    March 13, 2024 8:34am
    - mandk
      
      Correct.
      
      You wouldn’t want a Cook Strait ferry to lose 500m of altitude in a matter of seconds.
      
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      March 13, 2024 9:39am
      - G152
        
        Imagine having to recharge the wand after that
        
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        March 13, 2024 10:13am
    - sirknz
      
      I can understand that. When ships lose altitude quickly, it can be a very nasty surprise for all on board.
      
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      March 13, 2024 9:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That was an air pocket – a big one. I have experienced a small one.
      
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      March 13, 2024 10:11am
      - Ghost
        
        You should call investigators with your inside knowledge and tell them the pilot is lying, it wasn’t an issue with the instrument panel because you know better than pilot
        
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        March 13, 2024 10:16am
      - I remember when
        
        Sorry Ghost.
        Was just going to say that it was unusual for the pilot to tell the passengers the details.
        Surely, the details should be left to those investigating the incident?
        
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        March 13, 2024 10:23am
      - Ghost
        
        Surely the pilot actually does know what happened, and if he says he lost the control panel, then he actual lost the control panel. Pilots will tell you in an emergency what has happened and what’s going on.
        
        Who are you going to believe the pilot flying the plane or Steve?
        
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        March 13, 2024 10:51am
      - lemuzz
        
        I was flying to Bangkok a number of years ago when the plane suddenly dropped a considerable distance. The captain, after the passengers had recovered, said “that is why everyone should wear their seat belt. The machine can take it but the body can’t. “
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:02am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ghost. What the pilot said was third hand information to the reporter. Room for sensation there.
        Yes the pilot does tell the passengers which is what happened on my trip to Alaska.
        I am just saying that an air pocket is more believable that some reporter’s opinion.
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:24am
      - Ghost
        
        Steve stop making shit up as usual. It was a technical problem, it’s listed as a technical problem in the investigation.
        
        Only person who thinks it’s turbulence is some expert in the north shore who knows everything and nothing
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:30am
      - Ghost
        
        TAIC is providing support for an investigation by Chilean investigation authority, the Dirección General de Aeronáutica Civil into an incident involving a Boeing 787 aircraft in international air space on its way to New Zealand.
        
        The reported circumstances were that on 11 March 2024, a Boeing 787-9 passenger aircraft, registration CC-BGG, was traveling from Sydney, Australia, to Auckland, New Zealand. The aircraft was operated by LATAM Airlines. About 250 nautical miles from Auckland, it encountered a ‘technical problem’ and a resulting ‘strong movement’ in which around 50 passengers, including cabin crew, were injured. The aircraft landed in Auckland safely. No fatalities were reported.
        
        https://www.taic.org.nz/inquiry/ao-2024-002
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:32am
      - Terry Dalee
        
        In my 9500 hours of flight experience as a pilot, 7500 hrs of which is flying heavy jets, I have never seen once, the term “air pocket” ever mentioned in any manual, procedure, practice or Standard Operating Procedure…. ever.
        
        The only ‘air pocket’ that could ever remotely exist is the one in my uniform trowser….
        
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        March 13, 2024 12:22pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Bad hair day today Ghost? 😀
        
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        March 13, 2024 8:12pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      My question is why the Dreamliner is not being grounded with immediate effect until the flaw is identified.
      
      It took two crashes for the new Boeing 737 to be grounded. You’d think someone would learn from that.
      
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      March 13, 2024 12:19pm
  - Simon
    
    Wouldn’t rule out corruption. Run a poor service in attempt to shake down the Nat govt. Bog standard govt depart MO.
    
    Maybe out source the ferry service to say a Japanese operator.
    
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    March 13, 2024 8:42am
  - gravedodger
    
    That has been the attitude as regards the Desert Road shut the gates at Five pm and have another beer.
    No cost to them sending trucks through National Park.
    
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    March 13, 2024 9:23am
  - artemisia
    
    More likely – need more taxpayer funding, a lot more, or else ….
    
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    March 13, 2024 9:46am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Nigel,
    
    Good point, there is no penalty for failure so that will be the default.
    Not exactly management.
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:58am
  - Paulus
    
    Seaman’s Union complaining that they are not getting any new terminals and ferries at present.
    I am sure new ferries will be announced soon without them being train ferries.
    Picton new terminal to remain as work so far already done.
    
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    March 13, 2024 1:51pm
- igm
  
  Unionism in support of Labour/Green/TPM scum.
  
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  March 13, 2024 8:32am
- peterwn
  
  Seems to be an item that needs replacing. Possibly ‘lack of maintenance’ as issue not picked up earlier and ‘age’ since failures become more likely because the ship is starting to approach life end (the ‘bathtub’ curve principle).
  
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  March 13, 2024 8:51am
  - igm
    
    Come on National, let Bluebridge take ferries over now, get them running as they should without public service union interference, and get public confidence in crossings once more.
    
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    March 13, 2024 4:37pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  What? It’s not even Easter yet.
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:47am
- Ghost
  
  As it says in the article, mechanical fault.
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep mechanical fault. A bolt missing.
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:15am
- Kiwiguy
  
  Hard to say, Steve. If you tell us your age we might be able to make a better assessment! 😉
  
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  March 13, 2024 12:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Are you suggesting a cognitive test like some of the smartarses here today need?
    
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    March 13, 2024 3:33pm
iMP

The two Cs in “Christchurch City” do not stand for “Cancel Culture!” I do not pay my considerable rates, with escalating increases, to have Council facilities run for me, at my expense, CANCEL (post-booking) opportunities I may be interested in.

I refer to the sudden cancellation of Irish comedy writer Graham Linehan at the CCC ‘owned’ Hagley Oval on March 19. This comic may have publicly raised concerns about gender identity ideology. That is not a criteria for my public stewards to cancel him outright and deny me access to diversity of opinion, balance, ideas, debate, and free speech.
Shame on my Council Oompa Loompas!
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March 13, 2024 8:07am
- pdm
  
  imp – excellent, albeit brief, interview of Linehan by Andrew Bolt on Sky News last night.
  
  Apparently the Aussies are stalling on Linehan’s entry visa.
  
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  March 13, 2024 8:11am
  - kowtow
    
    Plunkett on Platform is all over this .
    
    Te msm seem to be ignoring this . Another reason they’re going down the shitter.
    
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    March 13, 2024 8:19am
  - jkt
    
    Check the Linehan interview on Duncan Gardner, great interview.
    
    Or join the Freespeech Union.
    They share this stuff. I am sure Kiwiblog will post this interview.
    
    Christchurch (Hamilton CC ….) And there I was thinking the CC meant cancel culture! Great one iMP.
    
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    March 13, 2024 9:01am
- Miritu
  
  I wonder how the Hagley Oval donors feel about this?
  https://hagleyoval.co.nz/thanking-our-donors/
  
  FOUNDING DONORS
  Sir Richard Hadlee Sports Trust
  Stephen & Heather Boock
  
  MAJOR DONORS
  Sir Stephen Tindall
  Glenn and Lynne Ritchie
  Mark Stewart
  
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  March 13, 2024 10:24am
G152

Its an inability to maintain and run a marine service.
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March 13, 2024 8:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How Republicans are dealing with RINOs.
This will serve as a warning to others.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/uncovering-the-hypocrisy-of-wisconsins-rino-assembly-speaker-a-conservative-perspective-03-12-2024/?

“Vos helped implement illegal ballot drop boxes in 2020. Vos admitted that the 2020 election was fraudulent yet did nothing about it as Speaker.”
4 years and he did not rectify it.
https://twitter.com/BehizyTweets/status/1767212450636550632?
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March 13, 2024 8:09am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Marines deployed to Haiti.
About time.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/embassy-under-siege-marines-deployed-to-protect-american-interests-in-haiti-from-ongoing-unrest-03-11-2024/?

Haiti has oil, gold, copper and many other resources just going to waste.
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March 13, 2024 8:11am
- Che Guava
  
  Like all of the many other US interventions around the world, this is mostly about using the military to protect private assets, rather than about “US personnel.”
  
  When you’ve got a regime in Haiti favourable to US investors, it behooves the US government to act in the interests of those investors, many of whom will be large political donors and many of whom influence foreign policy.
  
  It demonstrates the dynamic behind the outward appearance when you have a foreign military force showing up to protect its foreign interests in what is an ostensibly sovereign nation.
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:02am
  - jkt
    
    Your trigger!!!
    
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    March 13, 2024 12:30pm
    - Che Guava
      
      No, just stating the facts behind the facade, like I always do.
      
      The term “Banana Republic” derives, at least in part, from events surrounding the Guatemalan coup perpetrated by the CIA in the 1950s at the instigation of the United Fruit Company, among others.
      
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      March 13, 2024 2:48pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Guava: “this is mostly about using the military to protect private assets, rather than about “US personnel.””
    
    You’d feel better if you believed the Biden Idiocracy’s “true motive” (according to a one C Guava) was protecting US personnel???
    
    The US is as I’ve said many times is far from perfect and there is always room for far more accountability from shadowy deep state instruments, but the alternatives are by comparison, TOTAL SHIT. I’m not sure why your hobby is running interference for these deeply nasty shithouse regimes.
    
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    March 13, 2024 7:33pm
- Simon
  
  And NZ could export BBQ sauce to them. So wealth of Nations.
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:39am
- sirknz
  
  Local haute cuisine could leave something to be desired though…
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:55am
  - imalwaysright
    
    What. No Holocaust humour?
    
    People being murdered isn’t funny.
    
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    March 13, 2024 11:02am
Notsofast

Puberty blockers effectively banned in the UK, while New Zealand scales up sterilizing children at ten times what was the UK rate, and allows the thugs veto to cancel Graham Linehans Christchurch event. He is only bringing the UK message.

https://news.sky.com/story/children-to-no-longer-be-prescribed-puberty-blockers-nhs-england-confirms-13093251
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March 13, 2024 8:13am
Maggie Pie

“Have a nice flight” 🙁

If the people who assemble Boeing planes don’t recommend using them, what about all those poor sods waiting to get back on that LATAM flight today?

WATCH as Aljaz investigates…

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1767217791914914031

(And even Elon Musk has expressed real concern!!)
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March 13, 2024 8:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Large air pocket imo.
  I have experienced a small one on a 737 going Honolulu to Anchorage. Nowhere near like the Latam one. Plane dropped about 50 feet, but hard to tell at night time.
  Captain came on the PA. “All OK, just an air pocket” he said.
  
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  March 13, 2024 8:46am
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve: And how did you determine said pocket caused the aircraft to drop “about 50 feet”? I would have thought that was impossible unless you were the pilot looking at the altimeter.
    
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    March 13, 2024 9:25am
    - G152
      
      Sounds to me like CAT [Clear Air Turbulence].
      Used to run into it at Hood
      When flying sailplanes into wave it gets a mite bumpy
      
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      March 13, 2024 10:19am
      - Ghost
        
        Mary Schiavo, former head of the US National Transportation Board
        
        “They lost all instruments on a fully-loaded passenger plane, this is a major issue.”
        
        https://www.msn.com/en-nz/travel/news/latam-horror-flight-passengers-say-theyre-in-dark-over-cause-of-plunge/ar-BB1jM29n
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:00am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ghost, the black box will tell what happened.
        Never thought of that.
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A wild guess. There was no noise, just a falling sensation with the stomach going up the throat.
      
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      March 13, 2024 10:21am
      - Ghost
        
        It wasn’t a falling sensation, it was a nose dive.
        
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        March 13, 2024 10:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ghost, I was talking about the air pocket the 737 to Alaska from Honolulu.
        It was a falling sensation, I was in the fucking thing!
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:30am
  - Ghost
    
    Well you should read the news as it was caused by the instrument panel going off.
    
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    March 13, 2024 9:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The media are in the business of selling sensation.
      I take their opinion with a grain of salt.
      He said, she said. A reporter said a passenger told her that the Captain said to him something about instruments. Plenty of room for sensation in there.
      
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      March 13, 2024 10:24am
      - Ghost
        
        You are making crap up, as always. The media only reported what was said.
        
        The black boxes have been seized.
        
        They have said it was a technical issue. Your not an expert in anything just because you experienced turbulence once. Technical issue.
        
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        March 13, 2024 10:43am
      - Ghost
        
        Here’s a comment from Mary Schiavo, former head of the US National Transportation Board.
        
        “That black box recording should be very important to show exactly what happened… as soon as they download that black box information they probably will have solved the mystery.
        
        “Within a week, after downloading the data they’ll have a pretty good idea of what happened. In 30 days they are supposed to put out what’s called a preliminary report.”
        
        Schiavo said if the problem was an undetected computer glitch it may see other Dreamliners grounded.
        
        “They lost all instruments on a fully-loaded passenger plane, this is a major issue.”
        
        https://www.msn.com/en-nz/travel/news/latam-horror-flight-passengers-say-theyre-in-dark-over-cause-of-plunge/ar-BB1jM29n
        
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        March 13, 2024 10:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Jesus Christ, Ghost has got the rag today.
        Go and annoy someone else.
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:32am
    - gravedodger
      
      My sources had the Instrument drop contemporaneous with the altitude drop, not a cause?
      
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      March 13, 2024 10:29am
      - Colville
        
        I read the instruments went dead for 3 seconds and it went into a dive before coming back to life.
        3 seconds at 800km/Hr = 700 meters so even at 45 degrees its a 500M drop. !
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:59am
  - Simon
    
    “Large air pocket imo.”
    
    The instrument panel went blank. Is that an air pocket?
    
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    March 13, 2024 12:00pm
  - Terry Dalee
    
    In my 9500 hours of flight experience as a pilot, 7500 hrs of which is flying heavy jets, I have never seen once, the term “air pocket” ever mentioned in any manual, procedure, practice or Standard Operating Procedure…. ever.
    
    There would be warnings all over the Flight Crew Operating Manuals, Flight Crew Training Manuals and SIGWX warning about said ‘air pockets’. Bulletins and entire research projects would be dedicated to detecting and minimising the effect of these “air pockets’.
    
    The only ‘air pocket’ that could ever remotely exist is the one in my uniform trowser….
    
    You sir have as much credibility in all things aviation, as the Green Party does in all things Finance…
    
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    March 13, 2024 12:32pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    There is no such thing as an ‘air pocket’
    Its either wind currents moving, rising or falling, or its windshear
    
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    March 13, 2024 1:13pm
  - Paulus
    
    A few years ago we had an ex Singapore Air flight coming in to Christchurch, after very fast wind assisted flight over Australia.
    I have flown world wide for 40 years but never like this turbulence- crew correctly sitting on floor and holding on.
    Had to go south for half an hour to wide circle right back to South landing. B777.
    But brilliant all the same, but wow ?
    
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    March 13, 2024 1:58pm
- bartybart
  
  any turbulence and poo will be running down the aisle
  there is a lot of open water they’re going over
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:17am
- Ra Henare
  
  This investigation was 2014!!!
  
  As usual, a bit of mischief in reporting eh Maggie.
  
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  March 13, 2024 3:08pm
Matt Long

The renegade Greater Wellington Regional Council took these too people to court for doing earthworks on their own property.
Because they chose to represent themselves in court rather than hiring a expert on archane RMA law, one has spent 3 months in jail before having their convictions overturned in the Court of Appeal
Will GWRC waste more ratepayer’s money at the supreme court or try to change the regional plan to state that fauna are not necessary to designate a wetland? Just a couple of rushes say.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350208328/wetlands-appeal-overturns-most-couples-convictions
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March 13, 2024 8:16am
- Matt Long
  
  What the people who own property need to understand is the purchase of land in Fee Simple gives them the right to pay rates on the land , not some kind of ownership, and the Mauri of the land is vitally important.
  You can get away with reasonable things like rape and murdering your child, but don’t mess with the Mauri.
  
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  March 13, 2024 8:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Court system in NZ is well and truly screwed.
    
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    March 13, 2024 8:53am
    - imalwaysright
      
      S.O
      
      I think it is us who are screwed.
      The court system are all on good pay and can’t easily get sacked.
      
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      March 13, 2024 11:55am
      - leoj
        
        Simple solution:
        
        Put judges on the ballot.
        
        Same with the police commissioner.
        
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        March 13, 2024 1:28pm
- peterwn
  
  “Because they chose to represent themselves in court”
  They had fools for clients. A lawyer would probably have been able to argue for bail pending an appeal. However the Environment Judge should have warned him a prison sentence was on the cards when convicting him and that he should hire a lawyer.
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:01am
- MCōs
  
  My reading of that is you don’t take a knife to a gunfight
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:08am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    If you’re saying the only effective way to deal with the Regional Council is with guns, then I think that may be a little extreme but I certainly understand where you’re coming from.
    
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    March 13, 2024 9:20am
- tavita
  
  Adrian Page has form. He has got into fights with councils before for ignoring local planning requirements. In Wanganui he was bulldozing a road and sections in an area designated as unstable and much of it landed on the road below.
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:32am
  - MCōs
    
    From the article
    “Page has fought several cases over earthworks, and was the first person to be made a restricted litigant in the Environment Court”
    Might go some way to explaining why he wound up in jail
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:30am
    - MCōs
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105683970/adrian-neil-page-made-nzs-first-restricted-litigant-in-environment-court
      
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      March 13, 2024 10:36am
- miltonF
  
  Q: How does one know we are deep into socialism?
  
  A: Exercising your property rights is seen as a bigger crime than stealing someone else’s property.
  
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  March 13, 2024 11:48am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats want to “save our democracy” by obliterating it.
They are crazy
https://pantsonfirenews.com/anti-trump-crusader-uses-msnbc-to-launch-one-shocking-threat-to-the-american-people/?
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March 13, 2024 8:22am
- Grunter
  
  I think over the next 9 months as the US heads towards their election we will see the crazies on both sides lose it big time.
  
  The division and open hatred between Dems & Reps, and Biden & Trump is ramping up. Neither side will accept an election loss as being legit. The Polls have Trump way ahead, but what would happen if Biden somehow wins on election night? Equally, the Dems already see a loss coming, but they will never accept Trump as POTUS.
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:24am
  - MCōs
    
    “they will never accept Trump as POTUS”
    They already have once, albeit grudgingly, the Obama went along to his inauguration
    
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    March 13, 2024 11:33am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Then ‘they’ commenced a concerted campaign to have him removed- and are still trying to prevent him running again.
      
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      March 13, 2024 1:15pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Trump is going to take away their “binky.”
        Democrats like the dummy they have been sucking on for decades.
        
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        March 13, 2024 3:41pm
  - Its only I
    
    It’s also heating up within the republican party. The 30% non MAGA moderates are starting to become more active, especially as they have been told to bend the knee to trump or FO. They will need a new political home as more and more are starting to feel ok to be openly never trumpers.
    
    Trumps fangirl obsession with authoritarian nut jobs is not helping him win over that last 30%…but then Trump is contractual with any relationship he has with people.
    Eg
    Trump runs on banning Tik Tok cause reasons
    Trump hosts billionaire Tik Tok investor.
    Trump says Tik Tok is ok now.
    
    Very interesting how this will play out.
    
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    March 13, 2024 2:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So you don’t know how Trump’s 5D chess works?
      I don’t either, but I am saying you have no clue how it works.
      
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      March 13, 2024 3:47pm
      - virtualmark
        
        The problem Steve is that *Trump* has no idea how his “5D Chess” works either.
        
        As one of his own staffers said back when Trump was President … quote … “Some people seem to think Trump’s playing chess, when most of the time the staff are just trying to stop him from eating the pieces.”
        
        Honestly, the “5D chess” thing is just a wishful coping strategy, not reality.
        
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        March 13, 2024 4:03pm
      - Its only I
        
        I don’t know Steve, all I see is the results. Shrinking the party 20 to 30% is certainly in the multidimensional chess levels I don’t understand, but then God or Jesus 2.0, as MAGA Christian nationalists like to call HIM, moves in mysterious ways .
        
        Maybe we can work on deciphering the big 5d plan, aye Steve?
        
        I will start.
        
        Its being pushed on newsmax billions of minorities are flocking to the MAGA party.
        Its also being pushed on newsmax millions of people are crossing the border.
        Now I’m only guessing Steve…
        
        Trump is stopping the bipartisan border deal because more border crossings mean more minorities being pissed off at the illegals..therefore more minorities are supporting the MAGA party negating the need for the 30% lost during the MAGA takeover….but then there is the really trippy bit Steve… all that cheap labour pouring into Texas will supply workers at cheap rates for all the new manufacturing investment in the state with the worst worker rights in the USA….Boom! there it is, the 3rd D in the 5D trump plan
        Here is the best bit Steve, what if all those undocumented illegals have no traceability then you could get them to run around the forests with tinfoil umbrellas during the fire season…Trumps umbrella army could reflect the jewish space lasers solving the problem of catastrophic loss to fire…boom 4th D.
        Marjorie Toilet Greens was right all along!!
        
        The 5th is up to you Steve, or Red.
        What’s the fifth dimension to Trump’s master plan?Steve/Red, it has to include the last 10 to 15 boxes of state secrets. Maybe those boxes contain the real truth about Trump and Biden…they are one in the same…just bodysuits and a few giveaways or ticks like one has a stutter and the other sharts itself in public.
        
        Shyt, sign me up, I’m turning MAGA!
        
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        March 13, 2024 4:40pm
Matt Long

Assaulting people is the domain of special people like the pope, everyone else should turn the other cheek.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68538267
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1767119981945221339?s=20
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March 13, 2024 8:22am
Matt Long

Here’s a special Ramadan celebration story.
https://x.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1767392657280766345?s=20
I know this one actually occurred outside Ramadan, but the suppression order was lifted in Ramadan.
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March 13, 2024 8:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Rachael Madcow claims Donald Trump will remain in office for life if elected in 2024. (lunged for the tinfoil, I like that.)

https://pantsonfirenews.com/rachel-maddow-lunged-for-the-tinfoil-after-spouting-this-one-conspiratorial-prediction-about-trump/?
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March 13, 2024 8:28am
- Che Guava
  
  Wouldn’t that be a good thing? Besides, he’s 78 or so now, so it’s not like “for life” would mean much more than 10 years anyway.
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:09am
Maggie Pie

Rodney Hide reckons all National has managed to do is screw the pooch 🙁

“I’m rating this Coalition as a ZERO….. I’d rather have Ardern back,
as she was the common enemy and it galvavised the people”
– Rodney

https://twitter.com/2ETEKA/status/1767469354093035933
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March 13, 2024 8:39am
- Hong Jianhong
  
  I would not go that far…..
  
  However I understand the sentiment. Sacking Jacinda and the Christchurch call would have sent a resounding positive message. As it is, she will be financed to travel the world wailing about the dangers of free speech. 😫
  
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  March 13, 2024 8:49am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Indeed, as she said at the UN, how can we fight climate change when others say it’s not happening?
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:16am
    - imalwaysright
      
      And werds are weepins!
      So fussdayding…
      
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      March 13, 2024 11:11am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        From a communications degree expert, no less.
        
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        March 13, 2024 3:51pm
- Simon
  
  Yeah maybe. Luxon / Nat trying to put out too many fires. One thing about Luxon is that he doesnt hate NZ in the way anyone to the left of National does. There is no malice to his wokeness. Unlike the woke DEI left who just drip hatred towards the hard working normal people who operate outside of govt, in the normal world.
  
  The whole NZ govt system is deeply flawed. National types tend to be quite ignorant but it isnt malice.
  
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  March 13, 2024 8:51am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Simon
    
    “There is no malice to his wokeness…”
    
    From what I have seen, all wokeness is malicious.
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:17am
    - Simon
      
      “From what I have seen, all wokeness is malicious.”
      
      But generally not the intent from Nats like Luxon. DEI is used by a weapon against civil society by the left. But Luxon seems to have no hatred of civil society. He is just ignorant. Bog standard Nat.
      
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      March 13, 2024 11:53am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I don’t think he is ignorant, more that he likes people to think that he is potentially sympathetic to their views.
        Consequently, no one really knows where he stands.
        He should swap jobs with Winston.
        
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        March 13, 2024 12:15pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Hosking this morning, in his editorial piece that runs just before 7:30, said something I wholly support.
    
    Luxon is a cautious corporate-type, who wants to research an issue, arrive at a solution, get everyone on board etc etc. So he comes across as cautious and a bit unadventurous.
    
    Meanwhile his coalition partners are arsonists. They’re the “burn it all down and build something new from the rubble” type. That’s why Peters has been better in opposition than in Government … because it’s easier to be an arsonist from the opposition benches. We may find that Seymour is the same … jury’s still out there.
    
    The arsonists always sound busy. Lots of fury and energy. But history suggests they fuck up more than help (Provincial Growth Fund anyone?).
    
    Anyway, based on my own contact with Peters, Jones & Seymour I’d say Hosking’s assessment was on the mark. Arsonists, but unclear whether they’re builders.
    
    Meanwhile Luxon is a bit safe but boring, and yeah it’s probably fair to also wait to see whether he can build anything too.
    
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    March 13, 2024 4:11pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I started with extremely low expectations of this government, and they have slightly exceeded them so far. We are fortunate that non-performing media have started to collapse while Labour is not in power to rescue them.
  
  But the next few years are going to be rough as we have to deal with the consequences of Ardern’s actions and it is unfortunate that losing the election will allow Labour to avoid some of the blame.
  
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  March 13, 2024 8:55am
  - thirteenstars
    
    You would say that if you heard Broadcasting Minister Melissa Lee interviewed by Sean Plunket this morning.
    
    She waffled on about needing to reform the Broadcasting Act because apparently TVNZ and RNZ have been operating on an uneven playing field. She also expressed sympathy for the Digital Services Tax bill which would see tech companies taxed and the revenue used to subsidise media.
    
    Further, she mooted that all media might need to be regulated (including online) as part of leveling the field. Worst of all she said she has had very good meeting with the board and management of TVNZ and expressed support for the current chairman appointed by none other than Willie Jackson.
    
    That interview hasn’t been posted yet but it will no doubt appear here shortly:
    
    https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts
    
    As an aside, I suspect many politicians like having two big monolithic state broadcasters around. It provides the big cameras, bright lights and well-appointed studios that make them look important.
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:26am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Thir,
      
      Could Melissa Lee explain why all of the bias and shortcomings of tv1 and tv3 are “operational matters” and beyond her remit, yet the potential for her rescuing them with our money isn’t beyond her remit.
      
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      March 13, 2024 11:15am
      - thirteenstars
        
        I suspect that’s because it’s not proper for a politician to interfere with the free speech of any person including those in the media.
        
        You might contend the minister should have such authority because TVNZ/RNZ are public broadcasters. If that’s the case then the minister could require one view be advanced but when there’s a change of government a new view would be advanced, and isn’t that exactly what the last government did with terrible results?
        
        If you live by the sword you will die by it. Fact is, public broadcasting all over the world is riddled with neo-Marxist ideology and it cannot be saved for the above reason. It must be sold off and true freedom of speech must reign.
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:34am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Thirt,
        
        The issue isn’t freedom of speech of the media.
        They aren’t entitled to freedom of speech unless they clearly state that they are editorialising.
        The job of the media is to accurately report the free speech of others.
        This must be monitored, questioned, and ,if need be, corrected in accordance with only one metric. Truth.
        It is the ministers job to ensure that that is what happens.
        
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        March 13, 2024 1:01pm
      - MCōs
        
        ‘The job of the media’
        varies depending on who you ask
        For a start almost all media outlets have to be profitable and if they are why? And if they’re not why?
        
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        March 13, 2024 2:36pm
    - Grunter
      
      Sounds like another train smash by Lee.
      
      The State owning/funding a TV network and a Radio station is just as silly as the State owning a newspaper, a book publisher, or a filmmaker.
      
      If you want to own those things then go for it – but please don’t make it compulsory.
      
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      March 13, 2024 2:23pm
  - virtualmark
    
    As far as I can see this current Government isn’t a patch on the Key government in terms of talent, focus, execution etc.
    
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    March 13, 2024 4:14pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, despite the media being out to ridicule and belittle this government the Coalition doesn’t help themselves by dragging their feet over issues the vast majority voted to rid us of. Ram raids continue, woke people still get employed in the Reserve Bank, speed restrictions continue in council areas and those 100 day promises seem like a smoke screen.
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:12am
- KH
  
  Is Rodney Hide mad?
  Suggesting “…I’d rather have Ardern back as she was the common enemy….”
  Seriously? Get Ardern back so we could all be united on the barricades ? Hold hands and sing resistance songs?
  I don’t think so.
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:16am
  - Che Guava
    
    I get where he’s coming from though: a lot of people think that because Labour is out, it’s problem solved. This is because the only think superficially. Appearances are often deceptive.
    
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    March 13, 2024 9:28am
  - rockape
    
    I think Rodney is having a tanty because ACT are doing so much better without him in charge.
    
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    March 13, 2024 9:33am
  - David Garrett
    
    KH: Indeed…I think my former leader must have had some sort of rush of blood to head to say that. Not that I am hugely impressed with Luxon – I certainly am not, particularly on the law and order front. But to suggest that Ardern’s pack of fools and liars would be better is just bizarre.
    
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    March 13, 2024 9:50am
  - Warren
    
    What else would you expect from the perk buster.
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:10am
- NZer In Exile
  
  For real change in the direction of unity and sanity, next time vote ACT and NZF instead of the middling to crap Nats!!!
  
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  March 13, 2024 8:56pm
Hong Jianhong

Just when I thought I could not be surprised by the New Zealand media….

Yesterday I was stuck in traffic and switched on RNZ Concert radio. What could go wrong?

The host was interviewing a musician, William Barton.

https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/entertainment/brodsky-quartet-team-up-with-didgeridoo-virtuoso

He is an Australian aboriginal, and he plays the didgeridoo. He has been invited to play with several Australian orchestras. He is currently touring New Zealand.

All was going well until the host asked “Do they deserve you?” He then elaborated “Do the white colonisers deserve you? They won’t even give you a Voice in their parliament.” This was a reference to the recent failed referendum.

To his credit, the musician refused to participate in this questioning, quickly steering the interview back to the topic of his music.
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March 13, 2024 8:43am
- gravedodger
  
  Who was the host, what utter and total bollocks, there are claimed 11 MPs with Aboriginal blood ties currently in the federal Parliament and one of those Jacinta Yangapi Nampijinpa Price is an Australian politician from the Northern Territory, a truly exceptional Australian citizen of any background.
  
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  March 13, 2024 10:39am
  - Hong Jianhong
    
    Not sure. It was at 4.30 pm.
    
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    March 13, 2024 11:05am
kowtow

This is an important bit of information . I haven’t seen reference to it in our te msm , who seem to take all their information uncritically from Hamas . As does Biden and other Useful Idiots.

Abraham Wyner in Tablet magazine . He’s a prof of stats and data at University of Pennsylvania.

“Here’s the problem with this data: The numbers are not real. That much is obvious to anyone who understands how naturally occurring numbers work. The casualties are not overwhelmingly women and children, and the majority may be Hamas fighters.

If Hamas’ numbers are faked or fraudulent in some way, there may be evidence in the numbers themselves that can demonstrate it. While there is not much data available, there is a little, and it is enough: From Oct. 26 until Nov. 10, 2023, the Gaza Health Ministry released daily casualty figures that include both a total number and a specific number of women and children.”

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers
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March 13, 2024 8:52am
pdm

Hard not to like the imagination of the Twitter X poster:

Holyhekatuiteka.
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March 13, 2024 8:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Only one downticker on duty this morning. I am the only one hit so far.
Not good enough. Come on guys, up your game.
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March 13, 2024 9:02am
Maggie Pie

OMG…. you really have to feel sorry for our Police and their wage demands.

https://stuff.co.nz/money/350209423/heres-how-much-police-officers-get-paid

Consider for a moment, that someone like the totally hopeless useless green ghey ‘Member-for-Tijuana’, (who in his maiden speech promoted “Be Gay-Do Crime”)
….. is pulling 3TIMES the salary of a Cop on the beat!

And there’s fifteen other twatz just like him!!

Come on National – MNZNZA
‘Make New Zealand New Zealand Again’
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March 13, 2024 9:24am
- greybeard
  
  Hosking was interviewing Chris Cahill this morning, and after discussing the latest pay offer and the fact that police don’t get paid overtime Cahill made this comment, something like ”Mike, you are now working an extra hour a day and I imagine you will be paid extra for it “.
  Hosking quickly ended the interview.
  
  ( You can hear the whole thing on NewstalkZB On demand, 7:30am slot, about 7 minutes in.)
  
  I imagine that that extra one hour a day which Hosking is now doing, 5am to 6am, is bringing him in more $$ than an experienced police officer makes in a year, fulltime.
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:46am
  - Warren
    
    Why didn’t Chris Cahill behave like this when Labour was in power and Ginny Anderson was Police Minister. Because he is a Labour Party stool pigeon doing there work .
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:17am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You would have thought that the Police Union would have been trying to get their claim through when Labour was in power and giving out generous settlements.
      
      Why did they wait so long?
      
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      March 13, 2024 11:34am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Because this vulgar attack is organised through rotten media, the government and police are conducting negotiations, as Luxon says his job is too make sure the negotiations are being done fairly, apart from that is nothing to do with him
      
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      March 13, 2024 11:34am
    - peterwn
      
      And what was Greg O’Connor MP (former Police Association Secretary) doing about this last year?
      
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      March 13, 2024 11:46am
    - leoj
      
      there, their and they’re…
      
      Sound alike but all have totally different meanings.
      
      NZ education system strikes again.
      
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      March 13, 2024 1:38pm
      - greybeard
        
        It’s Warren.
        Leave him alone.
        
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        March 13, 2024 2:24pm
  - I remember when
    
    Without me having any way to ascertain whether police are being adequately paid, or not, surely the media could mention that the 4% covers existing inflation.
    Another 4% next year should ensure 2025 inflation is also covered.
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:32am
    - SoloView
      
      @ I remember when
      
      Police pay rates
      https://www.careers.govt.nz/jobs-database/government-law-and-safety/public-order-safety/police-officer/about-the-job
      
      https://www.payscale.com/research/NZ/Job=Police_Officer/Salary
      
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      March 13, 2024 3:32pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I don’t get paid for over time either, it’s called paid by salary, let me guess, the Labour offer was less as we now find out, but hell there were getting paid overtime
    
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    March 13, 2024 11:32am
    - SoloView
      
      @ G the giant
      
      As far as I’m aware there has never been provision for police to be paid overtime.
      Extract from the offer to police staff:-
      “Police propose a pilot to test the mechanisms required to move to paid overtime by 30 June 2026 or earlier”
      This link refers:-
      https://www.policeassn.org.nz/news/police-officers-resoundingly-reject-kick-in-the-guts-government-pay-offer
      
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      March 13, 2024 3:39pm
  - Paulus
    
    Hosking get the advertisers – the Police do not.
    
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    March 13, 2024 2:07pm
- G152
  
  A number of people would love to get the same pay as the Police.
  
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  March 13, 2024 10:23am
  - newview
    
    G152 Yes but would those people be prepared to do the confrontational work that police do. Would those people be prepared to do shift work that doesn’t encompass an hourly rate that reflects the increased risk and inconvenience of that work. When police see their counterparts in OZ getting $60000 more you have to agree this New Nat government who campaigned on this needs to up their game on this issue.
    
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    March 13, 2024 12:43pm
    - leoj
      
      I wonder if the policewomen are paid the same if they are not sent into confrontation?
      
      Asking for a friend…..
      
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      March 13, 2024 1:40pm
    - Paulus
      
      That is only the Front Line Police not the many others in the office.
      
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      March 13, 2024 2:08pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Yes I am sure there are, I would suggest that they pop on down to the local recruiting officer and sign on the dotted line and start the journey to earn it.
    
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    March 13, 2024 1:12pm
- Paulus
  
  I wish we could see all the Police Salary scales, plus overtime rates ?
  And not be compared to the Nurses as Cahill suggests.
  Remember in the Union movements the Exec are paid according to what % increase they can get their members.
  
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  March 13, 2024 2:06pm
  - SoloView
    
    @ Paulus
    
    Police pay scales –
    https://www.careers.govt.nz/jobs-database/government-law-and-safety/public-order-safety/police-officer/about-the-job
    
    I’m interested in your comment re Union Exec pay.
    Would it be possible for you to point us to some evidence of this thanks.
    
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    March 13, 2024 3:28pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I don’t know about the Police Union, but try Deborah Powell at the NZ Resident Doctors Association.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-healers-representatives/GQWDJFX6KXU5OFCUWIRO42DDIY/
      
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      March 13, 2024 8:50pm
Tauhei Notts

New Zealand as a major food exporting country has its foreign minister on the way to India.
I note that India rates 111 out of 123 on the Global Hunger Index.
C’mon Winston. If you can’t sort something out here you may have to get a QR code placed on your chin.
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March 13, 2024 9:32am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Paradoxically, obesity is more prevalent among the low-income and poor.
  We eat out regularly, but don’t know anybody who could be described as obese.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  March 13, 2024 10:09am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Are we talking the trophy wife set here? They generally work pretty hard to not look like a sack of it. 😛
    It’s dog eat dog out there and always younger hotter women lurking!
    
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    March 13, 2024 9:02pm
- Jack5
  
  Indian farmers are fighting agricultural imports.
  
  Like American farmers, they are NZ’s toughest opposition when we seek entry for our exports. (First link below.)
  
  Indian migrants in Auckland have even protested in support of Indian imports of food, which means Indian Aucklanders in effect were bizarrely demonstrating against our exporters. (Second link below).
  
  https://www.reuters.com/world/india/why-indian-farmers-are-marching-protest-capital-2024-02-13/
  
  Indians in NZ in effect support for India’s farmers in the following report. It likens what’s going on in India to NZ farmers’ position when Muldoon’s farm subsidiaries were lifted:
  
  https://www.asiamediacentre.org.nz/opinion-and-analysis/indias-farmers-attract-worldwide-suppprt/
  
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  March 13, 2024 10:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They have millions and millions of middle income in India, and it’s increasing, the possibilities are outstanding
  
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  March 13, 2024 11:36am
I remember when

Cycle lane stupidity has been transferred from Island Bay to Featherston Street in Palmerston North.
Despite an apparent lack of advocates for the introduction, considerable time and cost has been spent on the revamping cycle access.
Naturally, shop owners, as usual are either anti or at best can’t understand the need, and a number will be adversely affected.
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March 13, 2024 10:11am
- leoj
  
  Yep, P Nth is the WOKE capital of CD.
  
  No doubt influenced by all the WOKE university professors at Massey.
  
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  March 13, 2024 1:43pm
Grunter

Most, if not all, of our local city councils are in complete financial chaos and barely a murmur from the financially illiterate MSM.

The Dunedin City Council yesterday passed a councilors vote 1-13 to increase residential rates by +19.4% and add a further $117m to their debt. Their spending is obviously out of control. These clowns all agreed that their plan is unsustainable – but then 12 of them voted to continue including the Mayor!!

Only one guy seems to be able to do maths (Lee Vandervis). Interestingly he is in charge of the Finance Committee and the council-owned companies. But the rest of the councilors ignored his advice!!??

In total, Dunedin City has $1 Billion of Debt costing $1 million per week in interest costs. That debt is projected to continue to grow to $1.5 Billion by 2027. Rating Agencies will hate this so interest rates will go up .

A status quo scenario means the DCC will literally go bankrupt soon after 2027. And I suspect Dunedin is in a better position than a lot of other local councils.

We are witnessing the failure of voting in socialists to our councils. The only option now is fire sales of assets along with an immediate stop to idiotic cycleways, speed bumps, CO2 research, and vanity projects.
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March 13, 2024 10:16am
- miltonF
  
  It would be nice to have some property rights. So that govt, both local and national cannot steal our money under threat of violence to pay for such ridiculous things.
  
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  March 13, 2024 11:56am
- Steve Todd
  
  We are witnessing the failure of voting in socialists to our councils.
  
  The 14 Dunedin City Councillors are elected at-large, by PR/STV. That means 14 quotas of voters, each comprising just 6.67% of voters, and therefore covering all ranges of opinion in Dunedin, have a representative on council. (One set of voters, comprising fractionally less than a quota of voters, missed out. Not bad, eh?)
  
  Essentially, therefore, you are saying that anyone to the left of you, i.e., who is not hard/far Right, is a socialist. That’s nonsense, plain and simple.
  
  Cr Lee Vandervis is a well-known contrarian. His sole vote opposing the majority decision yesterday would come as no surprise to anyone who follows Dunedin politics. Indeed, it sounds like he went against the majority view of the Finance Committee that you say he chairs.
  
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  March 13, 2024 12:09pm
  - Grunter
    
    Steve – thanks for your opinion above.
    
    I agree with you that the DCC comprises councilors that broadly seem to match the views of Dunedinites, which is traditionally very left-wing when it comes to economics.
    
    But nothing you have said changes the facts – under the current status quo of borrow and spend the city goes broke. Spending even more is the existing plan BTW.
    
    Use your “Hard/Far Right” labels if you must – if that means balancing the books and facing the reality that there is no money left, then call me whatever you like.
    
    Socialism (BTW) does accurately describe the current councillors – they want to own power companies, airports, forests, stadiums, railways, cycleways, etc. And at the same time fleece ratepayers more & more whilst racking up debt that can never be paid back.
    
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    March 13, 2024 2:10pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Grunter, I responded solely to the sentence I reproduced at the head of my comment. I did not comment on the rights or wrongs of what the council voted for yesterday.
      
      If 93.38% (6.67% x 14) of those who voted at the last council election are represented, in whole or in part, by someone they voted for, and you say all councillors (presumably excluding Lee Vandervis), including the conservative/right-wing councillors, are socialists, then, logically, you must be hard/far Right.
      
      I wasn’t denigrating you; I was simply trying to get you to see that the 13 councillors who voted contrary to how you think they should have voted, representing 86.71% (6.67% x 13) of those who voted in 2022, can’t possibly all be socialists. That is why I said your comment was nonsense, which it is. Yet you have chosen to double down on it.
      
      So be it. No skin off my nose.
      
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      March 13, 2024 8:49pm
  - Yabster
    
    “hard/far right”- what a moronic comment- you have been reading too much MSM..- someone who is or wants his council to be financially responsible is not far right- up your game Todd.
    
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    March 13, 2024 2:46pm
- leoj
  
  All DCC problems would go away if they hired Grant Robertson away from Otago Uni.///sarc
  
  Of course, they would have to up the anti on his current $650.000 p.a.
  
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  March 13, 2024 1:47pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Local voting turnouts are rubbish, voters totally uninformed, and so they are gamed by fringing zealots and flashy high-ad-spend fuckwits with name recognition.
  
  We should abandon local body elections and instead select from candidates using a smaller _randomly_ selected pool of 100ish electors who are each paid to spend a few hours educating themselves on the issues and candidates, perhaps with ability to talk to candidates (ie representative democracy)
  
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  March 13, 2024 3:24pm
I remember when

A number of examples I have heard of lately make me wonder whether the health system is becoming risk averse.
Are hospitals hoping patients will die at home rather than that they appear on their stats?
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March 13, 2024 10:17am
Maggie Pie

Hate the gossip going around about the Royal Family.
The Palace is unable to respond…. no matter how silly the allegations.

The one gaining huge traction on ‘X’ last nite is that there may be some association between Kate’s disappearance from public sight for the last few months…. and the mysterious death of Thomas Kingston who was discovered in his parents barn with a gunshot wound to the head.

(Out of respect I wont link to the post at this stage, because it could well be nothing more than baseless conjecture.)
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March 13, 2024 11:21am
- Ghost
  
  I’m wondering if she had a hysterectomy
  
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  March 13, 2024 11:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And here’s me wondering if she had an affair
    
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    March 13, 2024 11:35am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      Here is me wondering if I care.
      
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      March 13, 2024 12:00pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Unusual for the boyfriend to get topped.
      Usually its the daughter in law.
      
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      March 13, 2024 12:03pm
- MCōs
  
  “The Palace is unable to respond”
  
  Of course they are. They do it all the time by leaking stuff to their favourite royal correspondents or they whisper in the ear of sycophants like Elton John. Certainly not Keith Richards
  
  Who knows what really happened with the awkward photo that the future Queen of NZ may/may not have fiddled with
  
  #kategate
  
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  March 13, 2024 2:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Haiti PM resigns.
If the US starts sending money ($74B) there could be a problem like the Clintons.
Money allocated for earthquake rebuild ended up in the DNC I think. It was for building houses. Only 7 built and crooked Hillary got the rest diverted.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/breaking-news-haitis-prime-minister-resigns-amidst-growing-concerns-of-gang-violence-03-12-2024/
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March 13, 2024 11:58am
- imalwaysright
  
  S.O
  I remember that. Killary flew in as Secretary of State and was on the ground for about half an hour. Just long enough to get the Haitians to sign her $900 million rebuild agreement.
  All the contracts went to Killary’s mates. Haitians got sweet FA.
  She was like a vulture picking the bones of the dead.
  
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  March 13, 2024 12:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are kind to vultures.
    Killary is still one of the most dangerous people on the planet.
    Do you dis agree?
    
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    March 13, 2024 4:14pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I do not disagree!
      
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      March 13, 2024 5:19pm
Ghost

Hmmmm.

John Barnett, a former Boeing quality control manager, was found dead over the weekend from what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound days after testifying about safety issues with the company’s aircraft production.

The 62-year-old had spent years speaking out against what he alleged were shoddy manufacturing practices at Boeing, where he worked for 30 years before he retired in 2017. Most recently, Barnett was in Charleston for legal interviews related to a lawsuit against the Arlington, Virginia-based company.

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March 13, 2024 12:09pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Apropos of the body found floating out in Gulf Harbour. I’ve not seen comment regarding how horrific it is that Mafia-style murders & body disposal have reached NZ.
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March 13, 2024 12:30pm
- PeterB
  
  A slippery slope?
  
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  March 13, 2024 1:18pm
Pope Punctilious II

More high-quality “analysis” from One News. Academic Dominic O’Sullivan’s says removing the Treaty from child protection law risks NZ’s “status”.

Cripes, the mere thought is giving me status anxiety! Though I’m not sure that being “out of step” with Canada is a bad thing.
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March 13, 2024 12:33pm
Maggie Pie

Well honestly, just about spat my Sav all over the keyboard.
Heard the political reporter on ZB describe Deborah Russell as….. “Labor’s associate spokesperson for FINANCE”

https://twitter.com/KiwiMusashi/status/1690200327713357826

The same list MP who tried to convince her New Lynn electorate….. “that removing GST from fresh fruit & veges would be the ansa to the country’s financial woes” 😀 😀 😀

FFS Where do they find these people?
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March 13, 2024 1:19pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Why are you surprised? Debbie is a tax specialist working for a party that believes that rosy red nirvana may be achieved through taxation.
  
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  March 13, 2024 1:25pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoSpH_4EXD4
Trump Drains RNC Swamp.
The RINO alligators are now belts and shoes. The DC swamp is next.
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March 13, 2024 1:24pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v518cL-l7vc
David Seymour Talks Interest Deductibility & NZ Media.
Sean Plunket talks to ACT Leader David Seymour about interest deductibility & New Zealand media. [I hope the restoration of Interest Deductability makes more rental housing available. And the IRD agrees with ACT; which has people who can do math.]
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March 13, 2024 1:24pm
- Jack5
  
  Will voters give a rat’s arse whether interest deductibility for landlords affects political parties’ budget figures?
  
  Probably not. However, the Left and media will make much of the tax benefit to property investors while some other Government benefits are being cut or reduced.
  
  To be fair, all house-mortgage interest should be deductible – for the country’s mums and dads as well as for investors. If the country can’t afford that, no house-mortgage interest payments should be deductible.
  
  Investing in houses is popular with our MPs of all parties and shades. That will make this debate interesting in the run-up to the next election.
  
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  March 13, 2024 1:38pm
  - Yabster
    
    you can’t have deductibility if there is no income- pretty simple tax 101 concept.
    
    Is having rentals a business? -yes, it is. Do all other businesses including commercial property get to deduct interest (and this is the crucial part -from “income” generated from that business)- yes they do. So why was a particular business singled out?
    
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    March 13, 2024 2:55pm
    - KH
      
      The business model is capital gain. Despite landlord denials.
      The is a case for capital gain tax, just for residential landlording.
      
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      March 13, 2024 3:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh bullshit
        People invest in property for the eventual independent cash flow
        Cap gain is a bye product of Govt shit policies/the effect of inflation and people should not be penalised because the reality is the value of their investment in real dollar terms is the same as when they started
        Do you not understand how inflation works?
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:08pm
    - Jack5
      
      If commercial property owners are companies they should be able to deduct interest, but if private persons invest in commercial property are they able to offset mortgage interest against tax?
      
      One of the accountants who follow Kiwiblog will likely be able to tell us.
      
      Also, are mortgages the usual way to finance commercial-property purchases?
      
      Regardless, if you are going to allow deductibililty of interest on home mortgages, which not on all homes – including mums and dads and other owner-occupiers?
      
      Many voters will see the Coalition’s move on this as a favour to the rich while public services are trimmed, including ones with emotional appeal, like school lunches.
      
      Let’s hope the Coalition proves more than a one-term government.
      
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      March 13, 2024 3:27pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        If private persons invest in commercial property then they are commercial property owners
        Doh
        And yes, gearing is an important part of investing
        Just ask Robert Jones
        
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        March 13, 2024 11:02pm
    - Jack5
      
      Yabster, investing in houses is as much about capital gain, still tax free, as it is about rental income.
      
      That’s particularly relevant during high inflation, such as the present surge sparked by Robertson and Orr blowing out the money supply by printing tens of billions of dollars via bond issues and purchases during the Covid shutdown.
      
      Presumably, and any tax experts lurking on the thread please help, investors in houses, such as many or most of our MP’s, make a single income tax return, unless they operate through a company or a trust.
      
      An argument is why the interest payable on their mortgages can be offset against over-all income in their tax returns, while this is not the case for the ordinary mum and dad home owner.
      
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      March 13, 2024 10:14pm
      - artemisia
        
        Offset against all income. No, see ring fencing of residential property losses. It’s a chicken waiting to come home to roost.
        
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        March 14, 2024 8:04am
  - sungsamning
    
    Many of those who are landlords will. I agree with the gist of your reply.
    
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    March 13, 2024 5:33pm
  - artemisia
    
    Imputed rent for owner occupiers resolves that issue Jack5. Never going to happen.
    
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    March 14, 2024 8:01am
- Ian Boag
  
  I hope the restoration of Interest Deductability makes more rental housing available
  
  I don’t understand. If landlords are not building new houses, then the supply thing is just rentals vs FHBs. And we all think helping FHBs is a good thing.
  
  Interest has always been deductible for new build rentals but we don’t hear about a lot of them. Maybe “hardly any” is a better description.
  
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  March 13, 2024 1:50pm
Libertarians are right

So they have an IRD tax lawyer as their Finance spokesperson and a university Tax lecturer as the associate?

The problem is that they both have a theoretical knowledge of tax but have no idea of the real world effect of those taxes. They know enough to be worse than someone who knows nothing.
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March 13, 2024 1:30pm
- leoj
  
  You are SO right.
  
  University professors have NEVER lived in the real world and therefore espouse their “theory” which is often found to be unworkable in real world situations.
  
  These same professors are revered by their students as being all-knowing yet many professors cannot tie their own shoe laces.
  
  Overrated and overpaid out-of-touch so-called specialists is what many are.
  
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  March 13, 2024 1:56pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    My understanding is that University Tax lecturers are often made to look stupid by their “students”, some of whom work in the real world.
    
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    March 13, 2024 3:32pm
Jack5

Astonishing that an Auckland mosque leader is blaming everyone but the ISIS-inspired terrorist who knifed shoppers in the Lynn mall supermarket.

It’s also puzzling why the mosque leader was given name suppression after giving his views that included:

– Why was the Lynn Mall terrorist shot while the Christchurch mosque attacker was not?

– Questions about how the terrorist was earlier handled in prison, “locked up in a small cell, with zero contact with the outside world…”

Some of the rest of us have questions, too. Such as why wasn’t the Lynn Mall terrorist shot earlier by his shadowing security men?

And we regard as heroes the two lightly armed country cops who took the Christchurch mosques terrorists alive from a car that contained explosives as well as guns. A life in solitary imprisonment will likely deter terrorists more than a quick death and an exit to their dream of an eternal life of sex.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/03/12/mosque-leader-criticises-handling-of-lynnmall-terror-attacker/
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March 13, 2024 1:31pm
- Jack5
  
  Edit: Why was the Lynn Mall terrorist shot while the ~~Auckland~~ Christchurch mosque attacker was not?
  
  Sorry!
  
  [Mod – fixed]
  
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  March 13, 2024 1:46pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Tarrant gave up to the two brave Policemen who stopped him
    
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    March 13, 2024 2:47pm
    - MCōs
      
      Two policemen who, by the sounds, are paid a pittance compared to the brothers in Oz
      
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      March 13, 2024 3:02pm
    - Jack5
      
      All_on_Red’s … Tarrant gave up to the two brave Policemen who stopped him…
      
      That is wrong. “Gave up” isn’t correct. Tarrant had no choice. He was captured.
      
      The two cops rammed Tarrant’s car, pushing it on to its side.
      
      One covered Tarrant with a pistol while the other dragged Tarrant out of the car, which, in their minds, was possibly, even likely, rigged with the explosive it indeed carried.
      
      Jeez, All_on_Red, if Tarrant were reading Kiwiblog from his cell, he would be pleased with the “gave up” description.
      
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      March 13, 2024 3:16pm
      - cmm
        
        Of course he had a choice.
        
        He could have gone the “blaze of glory” route which would have put a nice little bow on things, except for putting a heavy burden on the cops for having to take someone’s life.
        
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        March 13, 2024 9:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Exactly CMM
        He had a choice but he gave up
        He could have shot it out,
        He had weapons.
        But he had achieved his goal so gave up to save his cowardly scum life.
        
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        March 13, 2024 9:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        All_on_Red’s … He could have shot it out …
        
        He didn’t have a gun in his hand, nor did he have a pistol at his side or easily reached, nor a pistol at all.
        
        He was near upside down in an upturned car on its side, wheels still spinning. Was there a rifle still on the seat beside him, or ever on the seat beside him as he sped for the third mosque target?
        
        Tarrant would have been disoriented, and looking down a pistol barrel. Fight it out, an option?
        
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        March 13, 2024 9:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Give it up Jack
        The Lynn mall guy was shot because he wouldnt stop
        
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        March 13, 2024 10:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘pushing it on to its side.’
        
        This is not true
        They rammed it and he stopped. It didn’t go on its side.
        Check out the photo in this link
        https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/we-were-doing-our-job-heroic-police-honoured-for-taking-down-mosque-shootings-suspect-brenton-tarrant-20191016-p5315u.html
        
        Its disappointing that you would lie just to try to ‘win’ a discussion
        
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        March 14, 2024 8:29am
  - MCōs
    
    I would suggest Ahamed Samsudeen was a fanatic who was prepared to die for his cause and Tarrant probably thought he was doing us all a favour otherwise he really would have blown himself up in the car.
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:49pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  This shows you don’t have to be a clever person to lead a mosque.
  
  The supermarket terrorist was shot with weapon in hand, while trying to saw off a woman’s head i.e. in the act of committing terror and armed.
  Yet somehow as a brother Muslim, this is seen as injustice?
  Tarrant was rammed while driving and appears to have been rushed and tackled while stunned from the footage I saw – he was not in the act of killing or armed & the only threat was to the officers who rushed him. They should have some credit for that, rather than criticism.
  If Tarrant was a Muslim and police had just executed him after he was dragged to the footpath I expect this mosque leader would not be happy either.
  So-called ‘moderate Muslims’ are not really moderate or reasonable when you scratch below the surface just a little bit.
  When it comes to such an ideology, it is a bit like saying not all cancers are as bad as each other.
  
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  March 13, 2024 3:28pm
Ghost

Someone has an important meeting today, I wonder if our roving court reporter Maggie Pie will be on scene to report on what she is wearing,

Former Green MP Golriz Ghahraman is set to appear in court in relation to four charges of shoplifting.

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March 13, 2024 1:33pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The media are assembling outside the court right now as we speak….
  
  more soon.
  
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  March 13, 2024 1:42pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Golriz Gharahman, guilty of theft.
    
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    March 13, 2024 7:42pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  GUILTY!
  
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  March 13, 2024 2:35pm
  - Ghost
    
    Good to hear she accepted responsibility,
    
    Now let me have a look at google, Kiri is next month
    
    Whose next
    
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    March 13, 2024 2:41pm
    - Ghost
      
      Whoops I’m in the wrong month, kiri is may. Damn, I’ve already skipped march
      
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      March 13, 2024 2:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    To be sentenced 24 June.
    
    Some people are saying she’s taken one for the team.
    Didn’t want stuff to come out perhaps?
    
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    March 13, 2024 2:41pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Wonder if she has counted her fingers?
      
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      March 13, 2024 5:05pm
- mogg
  
  ‘Here she comes, there she goes and she ain’t wearing no clothes’…
  
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  March 13, 2024 3:15pm
- rouppe
  
  Totally setting this up for a discharge without conviction. As I predicted.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/golriz-ghahraman-shoplifting-court-case-is-this-the-end-of-the-ex-green-mps-law-career/E5OCIKWT3JEWLDHVWDQF3RITEY/
  
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  March 13, 2024 8:02pm
  - Ghost
    
    I’m sure in the speech with Shaw and Davidson when she resigned that they said they would welcome her back into the party, that she is an assist to the greens.
    
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    March 13, 2024 8:11pm
Jack5

Where’s Melissa Lee, Minister of Media and Communications, going with mainstream media?

Sean Plunket talked to her on his video news channel today:

https://youtu.be/5Wq8oOSUc_E?si=qmrmWUApiuAZo3GV
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March 13, 2024 2:03pm
- Ghost
  
  I got the feeling one of the things she wants to change is to allow radio nz and tvnz to use paywalls. Make sense for tvnz, they can have exclusive streaming content. Not sure it would be a success. Let’s see, who will I use, tvnz or Netflix…. Tvnz or Disney….
  
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  March 13, 2024 2:47pm
  - graham
    
    TVNZ – Paywall on their streaming service, sure, but how on earth do you paywall broadcast TV?
    
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    March 13, 2024 4:00pm
    - Ghost
      
      It would just be streaming content
      
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      March 13, 2024 4:57pm
Suze Wainwright

Isn’t Western Springs College one of the wokest in the country?

Student threatens another student with a bomb – New Age dispute resolution reigns supreme, huh? Why not take some of that agro out on the rugby field?
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March 13, 2024 2:44pm
Jack5

Good article on the present crypto-coin frenzy: at Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/bitcoin-hits-new-record-high-above-70400-2024-03-11/
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March 13, 2024 2:44pm
Ghost

Bloody hell. This story was awful when it broke, person in a van rams a 16 year old school boy off his moped. Now it’s come out the driver was a staff member at another school, wtf.

A Timaru principal has offered support on behalf of his school after a staff member was charged in relation to an incident that saw a student from another school knocked off a moped on Monday.
Mountainview High School principal Kenny Diamond said the incident was “very concerning” and he confirmed the staff member allegedly involved in the incident was not at work on Wednesday.

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March 13, 2024 2:56pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Prince William Beside Himself.
According to a post reportedly by ‘RADAR ONLINE’ Kate has decided to step away from Royal Duties.

I smell something a bit fishy.
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March 13, 2024 2:59pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  She’s had a guts-full of being chased around by the trash media?
  
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  March 13, 2024 9:10pm
  - MCōs
    
    I live in NZ and don’t pay a huge amount of attention to our Royal family, but one thing I do know is if you’re going to marry the likes of Prince William you’re in for a lifetime of being chased around by the trash media.
    
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    March 13, 2024 10:30pm
surfing

Everything wrong with Tauranga council encapsulated . . .

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tauranga-council-tourism-bop-stand-behind-spend-on-te-ara-whanui-app/QN7UCW4FMBBOFN5VSLBXZMS2OM/

The arrogance and entitlement to spend other people’s money on their wet dreams is extraordinary.

If this app is so successful , why didn’t the council employees involved put up their own money and sell this on apple/google and rake in the profit for themselves?
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March 13, 2024 4:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

In the next picture Rewa says, “The missionaries took my land and I want it back. All I have left is my name.”
Rewa had no land because he had sold it all in exchange for British goods and products.
So there is a lie in the Comic!
Well you can’t sell something, then demand it back, can you? Think Waitangi Tribunal.

Comic Part 15.
Late today, might repeat in the morning.
Can’t have the public sector missing this – they have gone home now.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/analysis-treaty-of-waitangi-comic-for-high-school-students-has-been-quietly-brainwashing-away-since-2018-part-15/
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March 13, 2024 4:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

RNC.
Lara Trump.
‘I want to say to anyone out there who’s thinking about cheating in an election, we will go after you,’ the new RNC co-chair warned.
Lara Trump. I Think she means business after the 2020 fiasco.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/new-rnc-fires-60-staff-as-trump-tightens-his-grip-on-the-party/ss-BB1jLvMF?
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March 13, 2024 5:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZ is donating to this shit?
See slide 7, and guess who?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/a-new-satellite-detects-gas-leaks-that-are-heating-up-the-planet/ss-BB1jKaH4?
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March 13, 2024 5:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump did not debate in the primaries.
Now he wants Joe Biden full on. We know that will not happen before Nov 5th.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-calls-himself-honest-don-as-he-demands-a-debate-against-biden/ss-BB1jLAZj?
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March 13, 2024 5:26pm
- virtualmark
  
  Steve, I’ll wager you a virtual bottle of wine that Trump doesn’t debate Biden.
  
  He’ll talk up how he wants to debate him. But he’ll come up with some weak excuse why he supposedly can’t, and in the end he won’t.
  
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  March 13, 2024 6:14pm
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    virtual… Trump might drop into a vege shop for the debate instead. //
    
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    March 13, 2024 6:29pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘ I’ll wager you a virtual bottle of wine that Biden doesn’t debate Trump.
    He’ll talk up how he wants to debate him. But he’ll come up with some weak excuse why he supposedly can’t, and in the end he won’t.’
    
    There, fixed it for you
    Biden is mentally incompetent and cant string a sentence together. Anyone who cant see that is a partisan moron.
    Trump might bumble his speech on occasion but he is sharper than Biden and at least he can talk freely than President Adderall
    
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    March 13, 2024 7:25pm
    - Ghost
      
      Ah. But will there be a debate with trump with whoever the candidate is that replaces Biden for the election…..
      
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      March 13, 2024 7:28pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        They are running out of time and just whom would that candidate be?
        Heres Trump giving a Rally
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c_CdbmSiHM
        Not my thing but its in marked contrast to Bidens shouty mess at SOTU and especially his performance the next day after SOTU when all the drugs have worn off… Check that out, its just sad.
        And of course Biden skated from his criminal charges over retaining documents illegally because he was found to be mentally incompetent!
        As I said, only a partisan moron thinks Biden is ok.
        
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        March 13, 2024 7:57pm
      - Ghost
        
        I don’t think they will go the political path, I think they will put forward a celebrity. Someone they think can take on the celebrity power of trump.
        
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        March 13, 2024 8:08pm
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        Who?
        
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        March 13, 2024 9:17pm
      - Ghost
        
        I’m watching the US media to see who they are pushing more of. I think April/May we will know better who it will be. Dwayne Johnson Got a lot of press last year for being approached by parties to run for president.
        
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        March 13, 2024 9:35pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Oh Red, I still live rent-free inside your head don’t I. That makes me smile.
      
      The problem with the constant “Biden is mentally incompetent” meme is that Biden keeps publicly demonstrating that it’s untrue. Watch his State of the Union address from last week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cplSUhU2avc
      He seems pretty with it to me.
      
      You’re starting to slip into projection. I think the stress is getting to you.
      
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      March 14, 2024 6:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is what I said at 5.26.
    You confused?
    
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    March 14, 2024 8:11am
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A long debated topic on this blog

One of the long-standing unanswered questions from the January 6th riot has been why the Capitol was so poorly prepared and defended on that day. A newly released transcript has caused a firestorm in Washington over allegations that the J6 Committee downplayed or even suppressed evidence that former President Donald Trump personally suggested the deployment of 10,000 national guard troops to prevent violence.

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March 13, 2024 5:38pm
- virtualmark
  
  Mmm. Yes, there was a recent article alleging this, published by The Federalist. https://thefederalist.com/2024/03/08/exclusive-liz-cheney-january-6-committee-suppressed-exonerating-evidence-of-trumps-push-for-national-guard/
  
  Liz Cheney responded to it with … “I see you’re still spreading BS. You […] might want to actually read the 1/6 report (eg, Appendix 2, pages 741-2, pages 127-8, pages 587-92), SecDef Miller’s transcript (Trump never ordered 10k troops), Judge Wallace’s finding (Kash Patel is “not a credible witness”)”
  
  I suspect the disagreement arises between Trump postulating about deploying the Guard (which may have happened, at least within the White House), versus Trump actually ordering the Guard to deploy (which didn’t happen, possibly in part because of pushback from the Pentagon, who didn’t want the optics of uniformed troops deployed around the Capitol, and didn’t trust Trump to not use the Insurrection Act).
  
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  March 13, 2024 6:06pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘suspect’
    Lol
    Like the Russia Russia Russia
    Neither you nor Cheney are credible
    
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    March 13, 2024 7:20pm
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      Well, “suspect” because the testimony from people who were there says that and it fits with the observable facts, but I wasn’t there to witness it myself.
      
      Certainty is the world’s gift to idiots, but you do you.
      
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      March 14, 2024 6:33am
Ghost

Bloody hell

Hey pot, meet the the kettle

But Hipkins said: “Winning an election does not entitle you to act like a dictatorship.”

Dictatorship, that’s a term Hipkins wouldn’t even use for Chinese President Xi Jinping.

“That is what this Government is doing ramming law changes through that they did not campaign on.”

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March 13, 2024 6:53pm
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  Like banning oil and gas exploration?
  
  Like banning semi automatic rifles?
  
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  March 14, 2024 6:36am
NZer In Exile

I was listening to Michael Laws on Te Platform this morning. I think he got it dead right when he said much of the (statistically demonstrable) dysfunction among many “Maori” dominated communities can be sheeted back to Rogernomics where unskilled and semi-skilled jobs (forestry, heavy machinery driving etc etc) were heavily gutted. Many never returned to employment or left NZ forever to go to Aus. Those left behind have languished since.
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March 13, 2024 8:05pm
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  Gangs seem strong in the old mill towns now with high unemployment.
  
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  March 13, 2024 10:17pm
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    Always were
    
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    March 13, 2024 11:09pm
AitchW

Gosh, Golriz Gaharuman (excuse me if I got the spelling wrong) is a self confessed thief. But it’s not her fault, people were mean to her! Who the hell goes into politics expecting nothing but adoration? Jesus H Christ on a bloody pogo stick….
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- Rich Prick
  
  Let’s see if she pulls the refugee card again and attempts to flee. I hope she gets a custodial sentence. $10k of gear (that we know of) ought to demand it.
  
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