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Yvette

Treaty principles

While his speech to more than 10,000 people at Tūrangawaewae Marae in Ngāruawāhia was largely optimistic, Kiingi Tūheitia criticised the Government’s Treaty Principles Bill, which aimed to redefine the Treaty principles, and called for Te Tiriti o Waitangi to be written into legislation so politicians “can’t change nothing”.

He didn’t make specific references to any proposed legislation but did indicate his strong condemnation for the Treaty Principles Bill, created by Act and agreed to in its coalition with National.
“There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/maori-king-calls-for-hope-over-protest-while-dismissing-govt-treaty-bill/M2EXZG3JLNHTPFKEEUFK7Z5QXY/

And from ACT’s “Treaty” website –

The intention of the Treaty Principles Bill is to establish in law that the principles of the Treaty are what the three articles of the Treaty actually say: that the New Zealand Government has the right to govern; that the authority and ownership of land and property of all New Zealanders is protected; and that all New Zealanders are equal under the law.

The actual text of the Treaty itself is a powerful guide for New Zealand’s future. Far from a divisive document that affords unique privileges to one group, the Treaty is a taonga for all New Zealanders, establishing that all New Zealanders have above all else the same rights and privileges as each other and that the Government has a duty to protect those rights.
https://www.treaty.nz

On the face of it, what is the difference between the stance of the Maori King, Kiingi Tūheitia, and that of ACT?

And, has there ever been such a vast number of people emotively looking at an issue without honestly seeking sources available to make an informed decision?

No, not really – not since covid …
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March 10, 2024 8:06am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  There are a couple of differences. One group is basing their interpretation on what the words actually say while the other is relying on unprovable assertions about meanings that are not in the written words of the text. The other difference is that one group is acting consistently with principles of equality and democracy that have been mostly successful in the past, while the other group wants different rights and entitlements based on ancestry, which modern civilised nations have mostly rejected.
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:53am
- JackRabbit
  
  On the face of it, what is the difference between the stance of the Maori King, Kiingi Tūheitia, and that of ACT?
  
  The difference is that ACT has actually read the original Treaty. And that is the resounding conclusion I came to when I read Kiingi Tūheitia’s comment in January.
  
  “There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it.”
  
  He hasn’t read the original Treaty, only a modified version of the Treaty placed in front of him. His puppeteers are relying on his ignorance, and low IQ, is being used to promote propaganda. To them he is a ‘useful idiot’.
  
  The man does not even have a proper grasp of the English language and grammar.
  
  He is a sock puppet.
  
  His statement ~~“There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it.”~~ There are no principles, the Treaty is as it is written. That’s it.”, is in fact objectively correct.
  
  [1] Kiingi is referring to a different Treaty, that is not the Treaty that was signed.
  
  [2] He has been brainwashed to believe that ACT and Seymour want to change it.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It has been some years since the MSM ran stories about other Iwi(s) attitude toward the Maori King and his influence.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/maori-kings-title-questioned/JKOYRTNMLZD5H774IEHGNTVKDU/
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:49am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Not surprising, since according to oral Maori history NgaPuhi arrived here 700-900 years before Tainui, most likely the Cook Islands, but Tainui came from elsewhere.
      
      And the Waitaha arrived 500 years before NgaPuhi, around 2000 years ago. And there were people here when the Waitaha arrived.
      
      Oldest history recorded in oral history was 256 generations, and that was in the late 1800s, so around 5,000-5200 years ago. 3000BC.
      
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      March 10, 2024 1:31pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Not supported by the archeology, Jack. Sure, the different boats arrived at different times, but not as separately as you’re suggesting.
        
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        March 10, 2024 3:46pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Which specific statements I made are not supported by the archeology?
        
        Worthy of note:
        [1] Absence of evidence in not evidence of absence.
        
        [2] The oldest archeological finds in NZ, that prove the existence of humans, date back over 30,000 years.
        
        [3] Are you doubting Maori oral history?
        
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        March 10, 2024 6:22pm
  - Paulus
    
    No, No, No, – it is all about Money !
    Learned from the USA where everything is Money.
    
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    March 10, 2024 11:02am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Of course it is all about money. I note that many Maori tribes having been compensated for their “sacred lands”, upon receiving the land back, 2 or 3 times, immediately went out and sold the land again.
      
      More fun and more profitable than selling homing pigeons.
      
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      March 10, 2024 1:48pm
- Lara
  
  A very good book about the Treaty is “One Sun in the Sky” by Ewan McQueen.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:13am
  - JackRabbit
    
    A very good book. I cannot recommend it enough.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:31am
- Simon
  
  Lol – hand your NZ passport back King Clown.
  
  All these bozos travel overseas with passports issued by the sovereign authority just like everyone else.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:19am
Chuck Bird

What is wrong with our Police? In my view, he should not be charged. Others may think otherwise. Compare this with the way the police have treated the granny basher by only charging him with common assault.

‘Already a life sentence’: Father’s charge over child’s driveway death ‘devastating’

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/already-a-life-sentence-fathers-charge-over-childs-driveway-death-devastating/XNU25G5E6NGV5KYSC2VVGEDRJM/
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March 10, 2024 8:11am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Actually, the police recommended no charges be laid. This is the work of Lawyers higher up the chain.
  
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  March 10, 2024 8:17am
- pdm
  
  Agree Chuck.
  
  What happened to – it was an accident?
  
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  March 10, 2024 8:38am
  - peterwn
    
    It was not an accident. It was gross aggravated carelessness.
    
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    March 10, 2024 8:47am
    - pdm
      
      pw – carelessness sure but, still an accident.
      
      There is nothing to indicate it was deliberate.
      
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      March 10, 2024 10:12am
      - Hong Jianhong
        
        Of course it was not deliberate. If it had been deliberate, the father would have been charged with murder.
        
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        March 10, 2024 10:20am
  - Hong Jianhong
    
    It is not so straight forward. If a driver causes death by running someone over, I dont think that the police have much choice other than to charge the driver.
    
    In answer to your question, “what happened to – it was an accident” AFAIK that assumption has not ever been applied to the police, at least not over the last decade, during which children have been killed in driveways at a rate of about one every two months. Notably, the children are predominantly Maori and Pacific Islander ethnicity and from deprived circumstances.
    
    https://media.starship.org.nz/download-safekids-position-paper-child-driveway-run-over-injuries-2011%3E%3E/Safekids_NZ_Position_Paper_Child_Driveway_Run_Over_Injuries_FINAL_Web.pdf
    
    These deaths are tragic for the families. However I disagree that they should just be dismissed as “accidents”. They are preventable.
    
    [Link fixed – don’t use google links, go to the actual site and link to that please. mod.]
    
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    March 10, 2024 9:04am
    - peterwn
      
      My wife and I went to Parihaka some years ago. I needed to reverse the car in the village. I asked my partner to get out and keep a lookout for children while I reversed. It was the right and proper thing to do. People backing down driveways should do similar if there is any possibility that young children are around.
      
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      March 10, 2024 12:06pm
  - Ghost
    
    An accident? Letting your child hang on to the back of your van while you drive backwards is not an accident. Your child running out behind your car as your back down your drive and you don’t see them is an accident
    
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    March 10, 2024 9:41am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Actually, I would have thought running over a child in the drive was more negligence, most people look on their kids when a car is driving off, surely
      
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      March 10, 2024 9:56am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Extremely negligent to not have sight of the boy before he selected reverse. The boy was five and five year olds don’t assess mortal risk very well, that’s our job to do it for them.
    However, laying charges achieves nothing . The man saw his sons head under a wheel. There is nothing worse.
    Maybe put the cost of prosecution towards some form of therapy for the man and the family.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:36am
    - Ghost
      
      Here’s the thing, he knew his child was hanging on the back of the van because he had done this before
      
      His father drove back toward the house and pulled into a laneway in preparation for reversing into his parking space.
      
      This was where his son would normally jump off, but as the father began reversing he thought he heard his son calling out. He immediately got out to check, and saw his son underneath the vehicle.
      
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      March 10, 2024 10:44am
    - LB
      
      Laying charges will likely result in a driving ban, which i like, and are not used in nz enough nor for long enough. Although some people here seem to struggle with the concept that some people should never drive as they’re not up to the task, one of the reasons why I don’t mind public transport. I’d rather irresponsible idiots had to catch a bus, train or walked than endanger everyone by being behind the wheel.
      
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      March 10, 2024 3:12pm
      - peterwn
        
        At least 6 months disqualification unless there are ‘special reasons’.
        
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        March 10, 2024 7:58pm
- peterwn
  
  I was wondering about this too. There is a difference between this and similar cases in that the father had driven a vehicle in circumstances where it was unsafe and admitted that was a regular habit. Quite apart from it being a driving matter it was also a ‘health and safety’ matter since the father was still ‘at work’ when he emptied his van into the skip. These aggravating matters must have also been on the minds of the Police investigators and the Crown Prosecutor when they decided to prosecute. It seems unfortunate that despite publicity children keep getting injured or killed in similar driving incidents. So despite the traumatic effect on the family a prosecution in this case does seem warranted. The Judge can then decide the appropriate sentence and in this case the wet bus ticket may well suffice. I personally think the Crown should not have prosecuted but I do not think that would have been the right decision.
  As far as the ‘granny basher’ case is concerned, ‘home detention’ has undermined sentencing options. Common assault (unlike any other ‘summary offence’) has a maximum sentence of 6 months in prison, but unfortunately judges are pretty well obliged to turn this into home detention. As explained in the media, the incident would not qualify for assault with GBH. Nor is male assaults female charge used except in domestic circumstances. This would be because of gender equality – why should a woman who bashes an elderly guy be treated more leniently than a male who bashes an elderly woman.
  
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  March 10, 2024 8:46am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “As explained in the media, the incident would not qualify for assault with GBH.”
    
    I would like to know what the guy who attacked James Shaws and broke a bone near his eye that was similar to the injury to the granny was charged with.
    
    He got 9 months in jail.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:27am
    - Ghost
      
      it wasn’t similar, he also said he did not want home detention because it would be stressful on his wife. He planed to track down James and confront him.
      
      It is not GBH and if the police had of laid such a charge it would have gone nowhere. As much as you want to to think it was and that he should have been charged with it, it was not and wouldn’t have passed the legal requirements for such a charge.
      
      Two completely different cases, two different circumstances. Just because both people were punched doesn’t make it the same.
      
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      March 10, 2024 10:33am
- Vinicius
  
  There was the tragic case in 2015 of a mother who left her baby in her car instead of taking her to the creche while she was at work. The baby died and the mother pleaded guilty to manslaughter, but the judge compassionately discharged her without conviction.
  
  Disappointing the cops are handling this current case the way they are.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/no-conviction-in-infants-hot-car-death-2015060510
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:37am
  - Hong Jianhong
    
    I don’t understand your final sentence. In the case of the woman who left her child in the hot car, it was the police who charged her with manslaughter.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:23am
    - peterwn
      
      I wonder if V meant that the driver should have been charged with manslaughter. In this instance there was a suitable driving offence he could be charged with (the careless / reckless driving causing death offences were added to the law as juries were reluctant to return manslaughter convictions in such cases). The police and Crown Prosecutor weigh up carefully whether to go for a manslaughter charge and will do so where considered warranted.
      In the case of the woman who left her child in the car I am not sure if there was a lesser charge that could have been laid. She no doubt sought high level advice on the best way forward in her circumstances. Possibly quickly pleading ‘guilty’ to manslaughter saved her medical registration (the Medical Council would have reviewed the case).
      
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      March 10, 2024 11:59am
      - Hong Jianhong
        
        All these cases are tragic. I don’t know how you get over your child dying from hypothermia in your car 😭
        
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        March 10, 2024 12:18pm
- Ghost
  
  Why shouldn’t he be charged? The father drove with his child hanging onto the outside of the van. Dangerous. Just because he killed his child doesn’t excuse his actions that caused the death of his child. His child would be alive today if he hadn’t of done that, his actions caused the death. If a father shakes their child and kills them should they not be charged too because well, they are suffering the loss of the child.
  
  Boo bloody hoo, your actions kill your child you face the consequences.
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:40am
  - Don Beckett
    
    ……….if he hadn’t HAVE done that. Grammar my son. DG will agree. 🙂
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:38am
    - Ghost
      
      Anything relevant to add?
      
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      March 10, 2024 10:43am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yep. Learn properly English. 😆
        
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        March 10, 2024 1:23pm
      - Ghost
        
        Again nothing relevant
        
        Let me put this in a way that might get into your miserable head
        
        I don’t give a fuck if I make a mistake, I realise some people are so sad and pathetic in their life that they do. But seriously get over yourself, this is a blog, no one cares but some miserable sad sacks if people make mistakes, and there are many made daily so get over yourself
        
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        March 10, 2024 2:45pm
    - R
      
      DG………
      grammar has long departed our school education Curriculum !
      
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      March 10, 2024 10:54am
      - Debsta
        
        Obviously
        
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        March 10, 2024 4:46pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “Why shouldn’t he be charged?”
    
    The reason he should not be charged is that it will punish the mother, the sibling and the baby not born.
    
    What will charging him achieve?
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:39am
    - Ghost
      
      Boohoo. His actions killed his child. It wasn’t an accident the child was hanging onto the bumper of the van. His actions killed his child, he faces the consequences of those actions. You don’t get a get out of jail free card just because you’ve killed your own child and you and your wife are suffering because of that.
      
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      March 10, 2024 10:42am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        You have not said what charging him will achieve.
        
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        March 10, 2024 10:56am
      - Ghost
        
        He allowed his child to ride on the back of the van, his actions alone were irresponsible and illegal. His actions alone killed his child
        
        You dont get a free pass because you are hurting from your own stupidly and illegal activities
        
        A father who leaves his gun on the table and the child kills themself doesn’t get a free pass because they are hurting
        
        Dangerous riding
        
        You must not ride in or on a vehicle in a way that might result in injury. If you’re the driver you must not let your passengers ride in or on the vehicle in an unsafe way.
        
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        March 10, 2024 11:29am
- backster
  
  It takes a panel to make a decision usually made by the O/c station. Ludicrous waste of money, get rid of the excessive staff waste Mark.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:49am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/culture/350202705/rnzs-susie-ferguson-wants-you-know-shes-not-much-bitch-you-think

Ha ha, how amusing.
Memo from Radio NZ- hey warrior and influencer journalists: time to get our other media colleagues on board to kid gullible listeners/readers out there that we are really nice people just like them.
No need to be wary and scared of our personal agendas and business policies around bias and funding.
We are just nice, ordinary people who like dogs and sun streaming through the window.
Susie – be nice for a while at least. Try to contain your own authoritarian demands for information from politicians on the “wrong” side. Steel yourself to ask a few hard questions of the ones we like in Labour and the Greens.
Please be aware that this is a new campaign for our very survival.
Be kind.
Pray for Jacinda to return to save us.
Let’s do this.
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March 10, 2024 8:16am
- Inandout
  
  Gravel, Martyn/Martin doesn’t like her.
  https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/07/12/mediawatch-good-riddance-to-susie-ferguson/
  
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  March 10, 2024 8:36am
  - Jack5
    
    Bradbury, as pointed to by poster Inandout, reckons Susie Ferguson has an Irish accent.
    
    And Bomber Bradbury’s a West African drum talker.
    
    From the Bradbury link:
    
    “Radio NZ’s fetish with female hosts who have an Irish accent continues.”
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:45am
    - Gravelroad
      
      It says in the attached article that she was born in Scotland.
      
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      March 10, 2024 11:16am
      - Paulus
        
        Nevertheless Maori with a Scottish accent has been roughly commented on.
        Will have to got o the Waitangi Tribunal to get lessons.
        
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        March 10, 2024 1:22pm
- pdm
  
  gravel – I cannot comment.
  
  I have not listened to National Radio (now Radio NZ) since the arrival of Commercial Radio.
  
  I have never ever listened to Susie Fergusson and do not regret that one little bit.
  
  Neville Chamberlain (Cham the man) and John Blumsky are the only National Radio people I recall.
  
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  March 10, 2024 8:42am
  - MCōs
    
    Now RNZ
    
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    March 10, 2024 9:25am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  A nice fluff piece. Kim Hill is a very hard act to follow, she of the quirky style and instantly recognisable voice and rapier mind. Why is the piece illustrated with unsmiling photographs?
  
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  March 10, 2024 8:55am
- Clyde
  
  Extraordinary but not surprising that the media is flat out penning pieces on some of their more virulent members and painting them as madonna-like upholders of the truth. This Suzie woman was terrible on Morning Report and was the reason I stopped listening to Red Radio. A nasty piece of work at best.
  
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  March 10, 2024 8:58am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Used to talk over people she was interviewing Turned the mic down. .. Nasty
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:14am
  - lifesgood
    
    Working class Scot with a massive log on her shoulder. Bet she comes from a unionist family.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:33am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Like hell she was a working-class Scot.
      
      An Edinburgh toff – Private school education;
      Father a GP; mother an Anatomy lecturer at Edinburgh Uni.
      
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      March 10, 2024 11:03am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Iirc, Susie has a Kiwi grandparent.
      
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      March 10, 2024 7:39pm
- nathie
  
  No amount of (far?) left-wing propaganda can change the fact that when Ferguson was a host on Morning Report she would take an aggressive approach against National MP’s, constantly over-talk them (she held them in such disdain she didn’t think their answers needed to be heard in full) and employed the technique of dropping their audio levels down to make them sound diminutive whilst she boomed over the top of them (perhaps she thought she wielded ultimate power).
  
  Contrast to her interviews of Ardern at the time and it sounded like they were a couple of long lost friends enjoying a friendly, uninterrupted catch up (on one occasion she appeared to surprise the then PM by changing the subject to discuss something unrelated that Ferguson was involved in, sounding like she wanted Ardern’s approval which was duly given as it allowed Ardern to escape talking about politics)!
  
  I would regard Ferguson as unprofessional who disgraced the once good name of Morning Report and was totally unworthy of being anywhere near their studio.
  
  Her openly displayed bias (and rudeness against those she disagreed with) was the main reason why I stopped listening to Morning Report daily and once I changed there was no reason to come back to listen to their other (leftie slanted, urban elitist focused) shows.
  
  From first listening to Morning Report as a kid at breakfast time (parents had it on in the kitchen) then myself as an adult I decry Morning Report’s change to opinionated and slanted journalism that started with the likes of Guyon Espiner and Susie Ferguson. Is it any wonder their listenership has declined?
  
  As for tuning in to Saturday Morning … no thank you! If she was incapable on Morning Report why would anyone wanting balanced journalism bother to listen to her new show?
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:33am
  - wisteria
    
    Her session this week was awful. Maori spoken with an affected Irish accent is bad enough but she continued with speaking “Maori” phrases and words so that most listeners would have turned off. Give her the push along with many of her colleagues in TV. I also comment on Kim Hill who was the consummate broadcaster but I thought the interview she did with a previous American Ambassador was so rude I was sure she would be censured.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:13am
  - Lara
    
    We did the same. We now enjoy listening to Mike Hosking.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:21am
    - PurplePen
      
      And can add to that Sean Plunkett.
      
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      March 10, 2024 11:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t listen to any of them. All rabid lefties peddling rubbish.
  There are more important things for me to do.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:18am
  - stewmar
    
    I don’t listen to any of them. All rabid lefties peddling rubbish.
    There are more important things for me to do.
    
    Steve Otto – Hosking is not a rabid Leftie
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He interviews rabid lefties
      
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      March 10, 2024 11:29am
      - pdm
        
        Steve – interviewing `rabid lefties’ occasionally is his job.
        
        He usually skewers them and leaves them in tatters.
        
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        March 10, 2024 1:00pm
- PurplePen
  
  Can’t stand her. Fortunately she was a reason we stopped listening to RNZ morning report. She did appear once, maybe twice, on Newshubs The Nation. I suspect they realised she wasn’t that well-informed about anything nor that bright and never had her back again.
  
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  March 10, 2024 11:27am
Warren

When are those that want to hold the Government on racial devide, going to stand up and hold the Wellington woman’s rugby team to account for their abuse of the Government in their haka before their game in Woman’s super rugby that has happened two weeks in a row now. This is blatant abuse of our Government and has no place in sport and thoe responsible needed to be held to account after being given a warning one week before.
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March 10, 2024 8:18am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What happened to the gutless Hurricanes management, first they said this would never happen again, then they said an apology would be coming, now after the second strike, the bloody CEO says we are misunderstanding, it’s not actually shitting on government after all, even though the big heafers say that’s exactly what it is
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:08am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Just heard on the morning news that the CEO and management are now walking at from their tough words of last week. Now claiming the team hasn’t weaponised the Haka and it is all okay.
    
    Get some spine or resign
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:18am
    - Ghost
      
      Why should they resign? What the team is doing is pathetic, but that is their choice. It wont damage team support because if you watch the clips no one goes to the game. It will damage the men’s team but as a flow on. That is something they will have to deal with. But the team has the right to take their stand as pathetic as it is.
      
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      March 10, 2024 10:25am
  - Lara
    
    Yes, what a load of rubbish. We won’t be following them.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:22am
  - Paulus
    
    Surely whatever funds are available should be used to temper these intemperate overweight wahine !
    
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    March 10, 2024 11:07am
- oldpark
  
  @Warren 8.18 am .
  Yet Hurricanes Management are running scared saying the Haka by Hurricanes Women and their explicit words about the Coalition Government is not Racist . Maybe Hurricane Management are trying to cope with the cancellation of season Ticket holders returning the tickets .Even heard a Maori Man named Daniel on Nick Mills 2ZB show leading the charge to cancel Season Tickets .
  It follows reaction from deputy prime minister Winston Peters, who said the team’s pre-match haka before their round two Super Rugby Aupiki match was “trying to insult the Government”. The women’s team, the Poua, caused a controversy last weekend with their pre-match haka against Manawa, calling the coalition government “redneck”.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:19am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I agree Warren – I read this morning, the wimmin hurricanes had revised their haka with the help of a Maori adviser but still bagged the government … and this version was approved by management! We are so forked in this country
  
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  March 10, 2024 11:18am
  - PurplePen
    
    Do you think the Maori Advisor charged them $250 an hour for their advice – govt gravy contract rate.
    
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    March 10, 2024 11:30am
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      100 percent purple!
      
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      March 10, 2024 12:59pm
    - Prince
      
      Well the words were ‘commissioned’ by the Hurricanes, so I take that as meaning money changed hands.
      What a shambles for the franchise. How far up the chain does this go ?
      
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      March 10, 2024 1:11pm
    - Paulus
      
      No, that is taxable so call it Koha instead.
      
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      March 10, 2024 1:24pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350207289/taxpayers-fork-out-800k-jacinda-ardern-documentary.

This would pay for Luxon’s accommodation supplement for 16 years!
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March 10, 2024 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  After what she did to NZ, there are still idiots out there who thing she is the bee’s knees.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:23am
  - Paulus
    
    On a fairly recent opinion poll analysis it was considered that of the women over 50 years of age 52% still voted Labour.
    Jacinda lovers still.
    
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    March 10, 2024 1:26pm
- Ruawai
  
  It would be cheaper for the government to pay the PM $50,000 accomodation allowance each year than maintain and run Premier House. Maybe sell Premier House and buy a newer smaller house for PM.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:56am
- Ruahine
  
  This was authourised last year by the Labour Gov’t. It will be made using mainly taxpayer money. It is obviously a propaganda piece to counter the excellent film “The River of Freedom” made without taxpayer money.
  
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  March 10, 2024 11:19am
G152

Oh dear it still hasnt got through to the terrorists that Israel has had enough of the terrorism and is hitting back until even the crazies begin to sue for peace ..
And all of the Gaza has declared itself a target by aiding and abetting October 6 and now its all Aljazeera think of the women think of the children.And the holey month of Ramadam
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March 10, 2024 8:23am
- Paulus
  
  Didn’t think that it was Israel who stormed into Gaza slaughtering women and children and horrible acts.
  I know the media would make us think that Israel started it !
  
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  March 10, 2024 1:29pm
artemisia

Apparently the Canes women’s haka has been misinterpreted and is now not at all political. And is just being weaponised against the team. Any mention of the first version? (Nope.)

RNZ’s bilingual reporters, other media and commentators listening to the haka heard it as another political statement.

Obviously they were all wrong. Version 3 coming up along with even more empty yellow seats?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/511295/hurricanes-poua-say-haka-misconstrued-as-political-attack
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March 10, 2024 8:35am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, well.
  These women rugby players apparently need protection from the males at the Hurricanes and the RFU to step in to re-interpret what they really mean.
  If they are willing and able to develop anti-government and activist rhetoric to include in their pre-game warm up rituals – then they should own it.
  Will look forward to their next haka with Maori phrases telling the RFU where to get off.
  
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  March 10, 2024 8:52am
  - Clyde
    
    Nothing other than a rabble with little or no brain activity. Racist scum at best, but Wellington Rugby are too weak to actually do something about it. Must say that the pix of this woman leading this diatribe looks uncannily like Grant Robertson.
    
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    March 10, 2024 9:01am
  - bjools
    
    I am sure these overtly political acts will stop, should the Government stop sport funding to Rugby.
    
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    March 10, 2024 11:26am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Haka expert says pakeha management don’t understand that haka are political & censoring them offends Maori culture.
  
  I say that rugby is a pakeha taonga that should not be dictated to by Maori.
  
  The logical outcome is either that Maori respect pakeha culture or the haka should be hooked from rugby.
  
  Either way, the Hurricanes should withdraw their women’s team from this year’s competition.
  
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  March 10, 2024 8:53am
  - Prince
    
    Agree. The best response would be for the Canes to default the next game, until the team desist from political posturing. They are bringing their franchise, sponsors and supporters into disrepute.
    I understand there are several team members unhappy at how the leadership are acting, but too frightened to speak out publically.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:06am
    - lifesgood
      
      Hmmmm! I wonder how many of the team have gang member heavies as partners? That might explain the spineless management’s back down.
      
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      March 10, 2024 10:40am
    - Paulus
      
      Do you really think that the leading Team members will climb down from their vicious learned rhetoric.
      Stop joking !
      
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      March 10, 2024 1:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear…
  
  Did I hear something else?
  
  I’m sure the leader of the Haka called out the word – Kawana around 58sec into the clip that played on TV last night:
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/03/09/hurricanes-poua-again-use-haka-to-callout-govt-despite-warning/
  
  She didn’t say Wero – challenges
  She’s talking about a Governor /Government.
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:06am
- Philview
  
  The mob of journalists surrounding Chris Luxon the other day seemed very happy to weaponise this version of the Haka to attack Luxon. The media can’t have it both ways.
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:07am
  - Paulus
    
    They will continue to try on everything Luxon and the elected Government, which they did not elect.
    
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    March 10, 2024 1:33pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  I wouldn’t worry about it virtually no one but rabid feminists will be watching and listening to it anyway. More fun watching paint drying.
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:11am
- JimBobJoe
  
  I have put the Canes in the dont watch, dont support , go eff yourself basket.
  
  And they wont come back out of that basket.
  
  Why?
  
  Because when a team representing the Lower North Island insults, gratuitously, and in full knowledge of the hate wrapped up in the Redneck word…. then no apology will do.
  
  BUT more than that.
  
  The Poua had their team managements support. This not something the players came up with in secret. The Team Management said go for it.
  
  Therefore its embedded in the culture of the team, which is a reflection of the Canes corporate entity culture (No, Avan: you can mealy mouth and corporate spin it all you want – your organisation has a real deep problem)
  
  What do the players learn when they have their couple of days team bonding on the Marae (which the Canes do)? Is it a one side story about NZ history and that those who dont agree with that one sided story are all racists – Rednecks in other words?
  
  I suspect that there are players on the male team who feel and think exactly like Ms Perese, they just havent said it yet. Though I am of the opinion that TJ Perenara would, if he thought he could get his team mates to follow him in defiance of Avan Lee’s corporate directive
  
  Its incredibly sad I suspect this and that my analysis of the situation has led me to this position. I wish it didnt, I wish we lived in a world where race wasnt such a huge driver of politics and society
  
  But frankly I cant see that the whole Canes organisation and more than likely NZRU doesnt foster the same attitudes as demonstrated by the Poua, via their culture practices and indoctrination
  
  So in closing eff the Canes and eff the NZRU – they have lost me as a match going, jersey buying, TV match watching and Youtube highlight package consuming supporter.
  
  I am sure they wont miss an older, ex rugby playing white guy – I am after all an oppressor, overly privileged and of course a Redneck for not voting for the Parties of the Left
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:16am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    You’re having a Bud Light experience. The reaction of the drinkers of that shit beer was not so much to the trannie briefly paid to promote their product but to the public comments of the woman marketing management that hired him in the first place.
    
    She had utter contempt for her customers, which raised questions about the management that had hired her.
    
    Those questions were soon answered as she got fired but the company unleashed a barrage of adverts to try and get customers back – which only revealed that the contempt and lack of understanding of their own customers existed through all the management layers.
    
    That was what started the boycott, and it sounds exactly the same here with you, the Hurricanes and possibly the entire ~~NZFU~~ NZRU.
    
    Re your comment that “I wished we lived in a world where race wasnt such a huge driver of politics and society” and your “White Privilege” etc, well…
    
    … welcome to Critical Race Theory and all the other shit that has been cooking away in the USA for twenty years and more. It’s made it’s way across the Pacific and is being re-purposed for use here with a Maori tinge. Expect more.
    
    This is why I always say that Kiwis should carefully watch what happens in the USA because as crazy as you may think Yanks are – and it’s a common prejudice in NZ – that craziness will get here sooner or later.
    
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    March 10, 2024 2:10pm
- Dave
  
  Hmmm. In a report
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/03/06/poua-wahine-absolutely-heroic-to-perform-haka-expert/
  
  A haka/te reo expert was absolutely privileged and absolutely humbled to experience this absolutely heroic haka, which he claimed
  
  is purely a reflection of the feelings of not only Māori, but of the nation towards the dysfunctions of this country, towards this Government, and how disappointed and upset we are with the direction in which this country is heading.
  
  Rugby damage control is telling us poakas.
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:17am
  - Nobby2
    
    The haka done by a sports team is meant to be a challenge to the opposition sports team, not a political statement by the team to government policy/actions they don’t agree with. The Wellington / Hurricanes hierarchy need to tell the women’s rugby team to pull their heads in and concentrate on what they are paid to do ie play rugby.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:56am
    - G152
      
      Sack them
      
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      March 10, 2024 3:33pm
    - Jack5
      
      The haka is basically a war dance, and war dances are not unique to Maori.
      
      Here’s one more up to date than that of Maori.
      
      It’s the war song-dance 0f the Indian Army’s Assam Regiment.
      
      There are Christian-religion words in it, and I presume that missionaries c0nverted quite a few people in Assam. Many of the soldiers have Central Asian faces much like those of Gurkhas. Perhaps they are neighbours.
      
      Regardless, it’s another international war dance:
      
      https://youtu.be/cHaglKkLIFc?si=qwqil6n4jXSJ20Es
      
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      March 10, 2024 9:21pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Sadly they got their first win and beat the defending champions
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:10am
- Simon
  
  Apparently special privileges flow from being able to perform some clown dance.
  
  MSM know not to interview any these dancing scholars
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:24am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  How about we stop misinterpreting that women’s rugby is popular and people want it?
  
  Admittedly its only “super” rugby, not the real thing, but.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:42am
Southern Raider

Why do the women’s teams even need Māori names? Is the NZRU suggesting it’s a Māori only competition or just being woke

For most you can’t support a team anyway as you have know idea who they even represent. How is someone supposed to know Poua is Wellington?

As for the Haka it seems ridiculous to have to do it every game despite what version they maybe doing. They are a two bit competition and hardly representing anyone but themselves
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March 10, 2024 8:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That was Robertson, pretty sure he is topping up salaries so his girls get paid, no need for revenue. Let’s see if funding carries on next year
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:12am
  - Jack5
    
    Robertson?
    
    Sorry, what have I missed? Who is Robertson in relation to the Hurricanes women’s rugby haka team?
    
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    March 10, 2024 1:06pm
pdm

`Apparently the Canes women’s haka has been misinterpreted…………………….’

Like hell it is.

Those two haka’s are downright anti government racism and bullshit.

I thought Maori protocol was that women do not do or participate in Hakas.

How things change to suit the agenda!!!
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March 10, 2024 8:48am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  I wondered about that too. What happened to pre-colonial maori culture that denied women many roles? Oh yes, that’s right, colonialism has destroyed Maori culture. HAH!
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:00am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Women doing the haka is deeply disrespectful to Maori culture.
    
    The traditional role of Maori women was out the back cooking the kai.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:44am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Up the front waving the pois?
      
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      March 10, 2024 7:46pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Yes indeed, who do they think they are trying to bullshit?
  
  We see it for what it is and no form of linguistic gymnastics changes the intent.
  
  If they get to carry on this way then why not everyone get to do so and then the next step is into anarchy…
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:21am
  - Prince
    
    Exactly. The Hurricanes are acting like immature kids swearing, then claiming they said something else.
    Grow up and own your actions or piss off and leave the adults in charge.
    The damage this is doing to the Franchise is massive, and will last long after the Poua captain and the Chairman are long gone.
    Up the Wahs.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If Ardern was still in the picture, leading NZ, they would never do it.
  Therefore is is a political attack, no question about it.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:29am
- Paulus
  
  Wahine now participate in everything Maori as they are dominant, is now in all things Maori
  – just like the rest of New Zealand.
  Remember Helen Clark started the movement –
  Girls can do Anything – so they are now doing.
  Being the right person for the job is paramount.
  
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  March 10, 2024 1:39pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

So this is why I distrust the MSM. The story focusses on a widow with 8 children, of whom 5 still live at home. After $480 rent she has just $100 for food. With the benefits available, that seems unlikely. There’s also no comment about other fathers or mothers of these 8 children (it just seems unlikely that this is a nuclear family); nor whether the older children who have left home contribute; nor whether wider family contribute. Life insurance, or at least an “I wish” is not touched on. Above all, there’s no reflection on why having 8 children without the means to support them beyond picking the pocket of taxpayers and philanthropists is a dumb and selfish thing to do.

Now, perhaps that’s my prejudice talking. But, either these questions weren’t asked through poor journalism or they were asked & the answers are off message. Either way, my trust in the media suffers.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2024/03/cost-of-living-crisis-charity-says-desperate-people-fight-for-food-outside-community-pantries.html
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March 10, 2024 8:48am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  8 kids she will be well over a grand a week, remember Bennet realising the name of that woman with 6 kids receiving 1100 a week, remember her dropping her name and her benefit revenue? She could never get a job to earn more than that
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:16am
kiwikidsnz

What’s wrong with this picture?

In short: A video of three children with their wrists cabled-tied together was taken in Broome, Western Australia, earlier this week, and sparked national outrage.
The children were at a swimming pool in a vacant house when the owner discovered and allegedly detained them. He has now been charged with three counts of assault.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-10/the-broome-live-stream-that-shocked-australia/103566214
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March 10, 2024 8:59am
- Hong Jianhong
  
  I’m not sure what you are suggesting. If you find three little kids in your swimming pool you get them out. You can’t tie them up with cable ties.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:06am
KH

Maorisplaining. So when we had the throat cutting gesture in the All Black haka it was maorisplained as not stupidly aggressive but as a token of respect for the other side.
But I call that bulls**t.
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March 10, 2024 9:00am
- Hong Jianhong
  
  Isn’t it time to consign all haka in rugby to the dustbin? I think that it is cringe worthy.
  
  A related issue.. Can we stop welcoming important visitors to New Zealand by subjecting them to Maori folk rolling their eyes and sticking out their tongues? Sure these visitors politely participate. They have no choice. But how many are thinking “WTF? When will this be over?”
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:12am
- Simon
  
  All Black clown dance can be anything you want. Expect it’s tied to sponsorship deals with globalist ESG corporates.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:28am
greenfinger

How unsurprising to see the puppet masters using the women rugby team to push their political agenda. What even more unsurprising is to see Stuffed promoting it, attempting to incite racial unrest. Can’t wait for all non-Moari to stop reading that trashy rag. It will be a matter of time before it fails like Newshub!
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March 10, 2024 9:00am
Its only I

Trump’s handlers need to cut his meds…

Trumps own words…
“‘The Pandemic no longer controls our lives. The Vaccines that saved us from COVID are now being used to help beat Cancer – Turning setback into comeback!’ YOU’RE WELCOME, JOE, NINE MONTH APPROVAL TIME VS. 12 YEARS THAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN YOU!”

The backlash from MAGA cultists is funny AF.
Some are having a mental breakdown trying to process the idea Jesus 2.0 didnt turn water into wine like 1.0, but water into “Turbo Cancer” starter fluid.
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March 10, 2024 9:02am
- JackRabbit
  
  The Vaccines that saved us from COVID are now being used to help beat Cancer.
  
  If you replace the word “Vaccines” with “Ivermectin” than it is factually correct.
  
  Ivermectin has powerful antitumor effects, including the inhibition of proliferation, metastasis, and angiogenic activity, in a variety of cancer cells.
  
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7505114/
  
  Ivermectin has New Application in Inhibiting Colorectal Cancer Cell Growth
  
  https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/pharmacology/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.717529/full
  
  But there is nothing new about that. Ivermectin has been used for decades for treatment of a whole range of ailments and diseases, as most diseases are parasite (helminth) related.
  
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2276811/
  
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335854/
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-covid-vaccines-being-used-beat-cancer-1877340
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:53am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Fat Chequers.
    
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    March 10, 2024 1:37pm
- Geoff1
  
  The lowercase was actually spoken by Joe Biden, the uppercase was Trump’s reply.
  Typical of the MSM distort or misquote to suit the narrative.
  
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  March 10, 2024 11:48am
  - Its only I
    
    Msn had nothing to do with it, it was cut from Trumps own post.
    
    Biden spoke the lowercase Trump claimed the uppercase…so for those still struggling…
    Trump claimed the “super juice” was his doing not Biden, forgetting MAGAs, Qanon and relentless political sermons via AM radio have been telling Maggats the extreme end of bizare shyt like the juice aligns your bodies iron into precise chain lengths that react to 5g radio frequencies for reasons unknown… so imagine Trump suddenly claiming it was him (Jesus 2.0) not the demonic dems who unleashed this threat to humanity upon this gods earth. Funny AF
    
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    March 10, 2024 2:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Evidence Exonerating Donald Trump Hidden By Liz Cheney & The J6 Committee.

RINO Liz Cheney may have hidden evidence, but I always understood form early reports that it was Nancy Pelosi who twice refused Donal Trump’s requests for 20,000, then 10,000 National Guard Troops.
Now there seems to be a lot of news saying Pelosi did not do this.

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2024/03/evidence-exonerating-donald-trump-hidden-by-liz-cheney-the-j6-committee/?

Trump alleges Pelosi turned down 10,000 Troops. The Mayor of DC had a letter saying she turned it down.
“I understand that the police testified against her, the chief very strongly against her, the Capitol police, great people,” Trump said in the interview aired Sunday. “They testified against her, and they burned all the evidence. OK? They burned all the evidence. They destroyed all the evidence about Nancy Pelosi.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-alleges-pelosi-turned-down-10000-soldiers-capitol-riot-responsible-jan-6

Jan 7th 2021. DC mayor calls for statehood, wants National Guard power removed from president.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/capitol-hill-riots-dc-mayor-bowser-statehood-national-guard-transition-from-president-to-mayor

Believe what you want, but the Democrats and RINOs are all over this like flies on shit!
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March 10, 2024 9:09am
- MCōs
  
  Believe what you want, Steve
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:28am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Mcos,
    
    Why don’t you tell us what happened ?
    If you are inferring Steve is wrong then that infers that you know the truth.
    Share it with us.
    
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    March 10, 2024 9:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He won’t reply.
      
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      March 10, 2024 11:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Liz Cheney has been busted.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:55am
    - virtualmark
      
      Or, as Liz Cheney herself replied to this same point earlier today …
      
      “I see you’re still spreading BS. You & the bozo who wrote this might want to actually read the 1/6 report (eg, Appendix 2, 741-2, 127-8, 587-92), SecDef Miller’s transcript (Trump never ordered 10k troops), Judge Wallace’s finding (Kash Patel is “not a credible witness”)”
      
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      March 10, 2024 4:13pm
- virtualmark
  
  Glorious leader never fail! Glorious leader never wrong! Glorious leader only break laws with regret.
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:48am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Reeeeeeeee!!!
    Orange Man Bad
    
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    March 10, 2024 11:04am
    - virtualmark
      
      I love that I get under your skin Red. You’re my own personal wind-up doll.
      
      And I’m continually amazed at the fanatical level of devotion and delusion you Trumpkins have. It’s real ride or die level stuff.
      
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      March 10, 2024 4:20pm
Don Beckett

They have just cost themselves a lot of support. Who’s going to be interested in watching them play now? Hoist with their own petard.
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March 10, 2024 9:09am
- pdm
  
  DB – mrspdm and I never watch Womens Rugby – it is not a sport for females.
  
  But the NZRFU have to step in, because the Hurricanes people are as weak as water, and at least `dock’ the Hurricanes Womens team of points from their last two games.
  
  If the Hurricanes women persist in their next game then dock points from the mens team as well.
  
  That will get the Hurricanes Boards attention.
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:23am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Pdm
    
    “If the Hurricanes women persist in their next game then dock points from the mens team as well…”
    
    Sounds rather Ardernist.
    
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    March 10, 2024 10:15am
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      im – they all part of the one franchise as far as I know.
      
      So why not hit the mens team as well.
      
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      March 10, 2024 1:06pm
  - MikeS
    
    “it is not a sport for females.”
    
    So what is a sport for females in your opinion?
    
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    March 12, 2024 8:16am
- Waipuk
  
  Why would they care.
  
  They have guaranteed money. No one will dear impose a fine for bring the game into disrepute.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“In a worrisome development, the Customs and Border Protection (CBP) is warning agents to be vigilant for members of the infamous Venezuelan prison gang, Tren de Aragua, attempting to cross the southern border. This alarming trend coincides with the ongoing refusal of the socialist regime in Venezuela to repatriate its citizens.”

Biden is making America into a third World State by not closing the border. If this gang joins up with MS-13 America is doomed.

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2024/03/warning-bloodthirsty-illegal-alien-gang-finds-safe-haven-in-joe-bidens-america-videos/?
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March 10, 2024 9:12am
- virtualmark
  
  Trump passed laws giving Venezuelans preferential asylum treatment in the US. Since then the number of Venezuelan migrants has skyrocketed.
  
  Maybe Trump doesn’t really care about the border at all, apart from as a political rally cry?
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    These are illegal aliens, as the US calls them.
    
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    March 10, 2024 11:02am
  - All_on_Red
    
    But probably not.
    
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    March 10, 2024 11:02am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG6R9nBdELY
The Philipines Just Humiliated China.
In 2016, The international tribunal in The Hague overwhelmingly backed the Philippines in a case on the disputed waters of the South China Sea. The tribunal furthermore found that China had violated the Philippines’ sovereign rights in those waters.
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March 10, 2024 9:14am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ndrPKD0vyA
Fa-Ni Met With Cackles.
Fani perjured herself on multiple issues. Fa-ni needs to be dismissed from the case and disbarred. She’s a disgrace and the Trump case is a political hit job.
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March 10, 2024 9:14am
Surely Knott

Stuff article on NZ’s deadliest intersections. They are almost all single stop signs on rural highways.

Wanted to give an example a rural highway T intersection that is really good (Wilks Road/ Dairy Flat Highway). They have two sets of gateway warnings before the stop sign, a sign on each side of the road, saying stop sign in 200m then 100 m. This seems pretty cheap and a good option.

The Dairy flat highway standard is also good with wide shoulders and a wider than normal centre line providing a bit more separation and room to overtake a cyclist if you saw one.

Would be good to see a consistent standard.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Yzs19xkPHpssMTHP9
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March 10, 2024 9:15am
Hong Jianhong

James Shaw threatens economic sabotage.

““And so, to any companies thinking of taking advantage of a fast track process that bypasses normal Parliamentary process and scrutiny, Iwi consultation and engagement, expert environmental tribunals, local authorities and/or the courts, let me be clear: you should be aware that your project may be exposed to that scrutiny next time there is a change of Government, which could include loss of the consent, possibly without compensation,” says James Shaw. ”

https://www.greens.org.nz/say_hello_to_nz_s_most_anti_environment_government_in_decades
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March 10, 2024 9:20am
- JackRabbit
  
  If Shaw is so committed to this, why is he jumping ship?. He can say anything ‘made up’ that he likes, because he will not be there to eat his words, or make it happen.
  
  It is like a young child throwing stones at the neighbour’s house, breaking windows, and then running and hiding, leaving siblings to deal with the consequences.
  
  At times, multiple times in fact, Shaw has tantrums that put his mental age at that of a reprobate 10 year old, with no proper parental supervision and discipline.
  
  A sad case of having no father, and two mothers without moral boundaries, and therefore no discipline.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:42am
- Grunter
  
  Next change of Govt….? So maybe in 2036?
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:56am
- Geoff1
  
  “…next time there is a change of Government”,
  That won’t be for awhile.
  
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  March 10, 2024 11:57am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Good of him to warn us. People need to remember that comment and make sure these economic vandals don’t get anywhere near government again.
  
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  March 10, 2024 12:40pm
- Paulus
  
  Bye James !
  They will regret it as funds drop because these supported you !
  But who cares.
  
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  March 10, 2024 1:43pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Good news! NZ journalists looking to stay in the industry will likely need to move offshore.

Most amusingly, it’s younger consumers who chose not to pay for NZ news. For all of those pimply cub reporters – it’s your friends and peers sending you down the river. Oh dear!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/350206651/where-do-all-axed-journalists-find-work-now
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March 10, 2024 9:20am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hamas Approves Biden Regime Sending American Troops To Support Gaza.
This is beyond stupid. Hama will simply use US Troops to hide behind.
The left seem to forget that Hamas started this war.
From the video “There will be no US Forces on the ground in Gaza. I call bullshit.

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2024/03/hamas-approves-biden-regime-sending-american-troops-to-support-gaza-videos/?
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March 10, 2024 9:25am
- sirknz
  
  It’s election year in the US so I wouldn’t put anything past the Democrats at this point.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They are desperate and quite capable of assassination.
    
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    March 10, 2024 11:07am
- Tom Hunter
  
  I’m getting very bad 1983 Marine Barracks vibes from this.
  
  Eight words:
  – Desperation
  – Swing state
  – Muslim voters
  – Dearborn, Hamtramck
  – Michigan
  
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  March 10, 2024 6:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Maine was Forced to Put Trump Back on the Ballot After SCOTUS Ruling before the super Tuesday.
Donald Trump is not a threat to democracy, he is a threat to the Democrats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ale-b1MTJyc
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March 10, 2024 9:29am
Swifty

There’s a small point I’d like to make about the hypocrisy of many New Zealanders and of our news media.

It must have been tens and tens of times, throughout Ardern’s leadership but particularly 2020-23, in response to criticism that the results just aren’t coming, that I saw and read citizens and the news media trot out the line, or variations of it, “but at least she’s trying!!!!!!!”

What does it say about people that they used this line for years in a desperate attempt to protect Labour’s appalling performance – whereas this new government has barely taken their seats and they are lambasted, slurred, labelled and cursed and not afforded anything like the same latitude so generously given to Ardern and Labour.

I’m absolutely certain that even in the event that The Coalition delivers solid, tangible, real and measurable achievements for the country, the scale of which Labour could only look on in slack-jawed amazement (and soul-destroying jealousy and fury), many New Zealanders would still curse and lash them while simultaneously calling for a return to the incompetent and bungling policy incoherence and fiscal irresponsibility of Labour and their cronies.

New Zealanders can be bloody stupid at times. They really deserve everything they get.
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March 10, 2024 9:58am
- kevn
  
  Lest we forget… peak stupidity in 2019.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110700136/new-report-estimates-oil-and-gas-ban-will-cost-taranaki-30bn?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
  
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  March 10, 2024 11:50am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Comic Part 12.
Maori were selling their land. The idea that the land was sacred and they would never sell is hogwash.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/analysis-treaty-of-waitangi-comic-for-high-school-students-has-been-quietly-brainwashing-away-since-2018-part-12/
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March 10, 2024 10:07am
- JackRabbit
  
  And much of the land has been sold and resold (after have been given back by govt). Some land in Canterbury has been sold 3 times. And now with the last lot financial reparations, over the last couple of decades, Maori has been paid 4 times for the same land.
  
  An eternal rinse and repeat ‘Indian Giver’ situation.
  
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  March 10, 2024 10:28am
oldpark

Came across this type of reluctance by the recently elected Coalition Government of NZ .

Seems the Labour Party List guy called David Parker fast tracked alleged Racist Legislation on so called Co-Government .
Wonder why Luxon, Peters, Seymour have not repealed the blatant alleged Racist interference by control freaks in Labour Government 2020 2023 in the well being of 84% of NZs Population. Asking for so many who voted for a clean sweep against Ardern/ Hipkins racism by stealth .Yet in the so called fast track in 100 days . Parkers sneaky legislation remains untouched .Go Figure .
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March 10, 2024 10:35am
- R
  
  The coalition govt can’t be expected to repair 6 years of incompetent mismanagement within 100 days. The repair is going to take at least 15 to 20 years. There are 2 generations of mislead voters to educate, before common economic knowledge, will be the predominant force in the country.
  
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  March 10, 2024 11:14am
  - mandk
    
    The last government was utterly incompetent and entirely unable to deliver anything of lasting value, but it should be acknowledged that the problems with which the current government is having to deal had their genesis over several decades.
    
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    March 10, 2024 12:56pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Some, but a lot no. They didn’t need another 120 Billion in debt, They didn’t need to create policy conditions for a massive increase in house prices, They didn’t need to run education into the ground producing 50-100k unemployables, They didn’t need to expand public service by 40%, They didn’t need to wreck race relations in NZ, They didn’t need to run down the health sector, They didn’t need to destroy oil&gas + heavy engineering industries in NZ….
      
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      March 10, 2024 3:36pm
  - Paulus
    
    Sadly the current Coalition Government will not get more than 9 years maximum, as the media party will daily convinces the public of illiterates and similar, that we need a left wing Arden type Government.
    
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    March 10, 2024 1:47pm
    - rockape
      
      I think the current government may well outlast the current media !
      
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      March 10, 2024 4:52pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    The repair is going to take at least 15 to 20 years.
    
    That’s what worries me. The only four-term government we’ve had in the last century was the Holyoake National one from 1960-1972 – and that was during vastly more settled times, even with the Vietnam War and 60’s counter-culture (which didn’t really crank up until the very late 60’s).
    
    I’ve seen several commentators here opine that the next Labour-led government will be more Left-wing than Ardern’s and I’m one of them.
    
    Post 2029 or, if we’re lucky, 2035, we’re going to be facing a shitstorm of incoming Lefty nuttery and I don’t think we’ll have built enough protection to weather it.
    
    Back in 2008 I had doubts about the incoming Key government but I was still hopeful for the future.
    
    Not now.
    
    I thought we’d not only have things in good shape (true, at least as best as ..), but that Labour would be as pragmatic as Clark/Cullen were. And at least on the economic front of indulging the Trotter/Bradbury wet dream of reversing Rogernomics, they were – to the latter’s eternal anger.
    
    But on every other front they pushed further Left than Clark/Cullen, and have set things up so that by 2032 the Trotter/Bradbury faction may get to see their dreams achieved, if only via taxation because new and increased taxes will be all that remains to support the State that has been built by Labour and left in place by National.
    
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    March 10, 2024 6:27pm
kglm

I cant understand why Biden wants a second term as President given his age and medical issues. He has already achieved the ultimate political goal. There is a high probability that it will end ignominiously for him. He might be defeated in November. If he wins, it appears possible that he wont complete his next term, because he will become incapacitated and need to be replaced. Why put yourself at risk of having a tarnished legacy, when you can quit now with some honour. My suspicions are that his wife and those behind the throne like the power and are pushing Joe into it.
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March 10, 2024 10:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Joe probably wants to retire, but as POTUS he is immune from prosecution of his crooked deals with Ukraine and Russia.
  The Democrats want their corrupt swamp to continue, but Trump will take away their “binky.”
  
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  March 10, 2024 11:17am
kglm

There is going to be serious trouble in the US no matter who wins the Presidential election. That is because it has become clear that neither side will accept a win by the other side. The fallout from this will be immense.
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March 10, 2024 10:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  More so the Democrats. When Trump wins the US will suffer with riots, fires, murders, you name it. Maybe even assassinate Trump. That is why his choice of VP is so important.
  
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  March 10, 2024 11:20am
- Paulus
  
  And Russian and Chinese influences of the election will be smiling all through their AI.
  
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  March 10, 2024 1:48pm
lifesgood

I wish the nonsense about Ngati Whatua would stop too. They are treated like the sacred, rightful owners of Auckland, they are not. They came from the Kaipara and drove the existing tribe off their land. That tribe fled to the Waikato. Another little known fact is that Ngati Whatua gifted 3000 acres of central Auckland to the government in return for protection from other tribes from the north. So why, then, have they been gifted valuable downtown Auckland land back and are still claiming more?
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March 10, 2024 10:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Claiming more because they can, using the Waitangi Tribunal.
  The Waitangi Tribunal needs to be abolished completely, not just a Luxon style ‘repeal.’
  
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  March 10, 2024 11:23am
  - peterwn
    
    Chief Justice Prendegast tried that line in 1877 when he declared the Treaty of Waitangi as a simple nullity (Wi Parata v Bishop of Wellington), then possibly joined the Bishop for drinkies at the Wellington Club afterwards.
    
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    March 10, 2024 12:16pm
  - Paulus
    
    What – I did not remember voting for the Waitangi Tribunal !
    
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    March 10, 2024 1:49pm
- kevn
  
  life… I.W.I. = I want it.
  
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  March 10, 2024 11:47am
All_on_Red

Oh dear. Things arent going well in Georgia for DA Fani Willis
Her case against Trump started because of the telephone conversation between Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger.
Turns out the recording of the call could be illegal.

‘However, the person who recorded the phone call wasn’t in Fulton County or even in Georgia. That’s a problem. Jordan Fuchs, a political activist who serves as Raffensperger’s chief of staff, was in Florida, where it is illegal to record a call without all parties to the call consenting to the recording. She neither asked for nor received consent to record.’
‘Fruit of the poisonous trees is a doctrine that extends the exclusionary rule to make evidence inadmissible in court if it was derived from evidence that was illegally obtained,” according to Cornell Law School’s Legal Information Institute. “As the metaphor suggests, if the evidential ‘tree’ is tainted, so is its ‘fruit.’
https://thefederalist.com/2024/03/07/new-book-admits-fani-willis-get-trump-investigation-began-with-illegal-recording/

Of course, the Democrats have tried to cover this up.
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March 10, 2024 11:00am
- Its only I
  
  Have you purchased the book?
  
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  March 10, 2024 1:41pm
Its only I

As you probably know, old Trumplethinskin has posted the bond to stop his shyt being taken off him.
The billionaire tried to delay and claimed he needed more time and didn’t have the cash…two days later he stumps up with the cash supplied from a bonding company with a letter dated days before he went to court seeking a stay…Trump/Habba caught lying to court again.

The bonding company happens to be one of Trump’s loudest critics…considering the considerable interest paid to bonding companies and the massive asset grab they write into the contract, how long before that critic gets to take Hair Hitler’s name off tRump tower and put up his own…lol. well played sir.
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March 10, 2024 1:20pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Citations needed
  Lots of unverified claims here
  “claimed he needed more time and didn’t have the cash…”
  This is not true. Trump tried to bargain the amount down- which is smart.
  Very disappointing the standard of trolls we get these days.
  Some of them cant even string a sentence together.
  Do TDS sufferers have low IQ?
  
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  March 10, 2024 2:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Another wrong claim
    “The bonding company happens to be one of Trump’s loudest critics”
    
    Looks like they are old friends
    ‘It turns out that Trump may have called in a major favor: Court records filed Friday show that the bond was guaranteed by the Chubb Corporation, an insurance group. In 2018, Trump appointed Chubb’s CEO Evan Greenberg to a White House advisory committee for trade policy and negotiations.’
    
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    March 10, 2024 2:18pm
  - Its only I
    
    https://www.carriermanagement.com/news/2021/01/07/215587.htm
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/03/07/trump-denied-delay-carroll-case-payment/
    
    Don’t just go off these two samples, plenty to see.
    
    Yes, Greenberg was on few of Trumps little advisory groups and was ignored like every single other person.
    
    tRump was trying to whittle down the bigger fraud bond by wanting to pay less…by claiming he was good for the money using the E Carroll rape case stating its a court ruling he is rich hence the large numbers awarded to his rape victim, while also stating he is poor in the E Carroll case and wanting more time forgetting courts talk to each other…this is his shyt lawyers at their finest…you have to laugh red…at least giggle a little…smile even?
    
    Trump did the same with Mar-a-lardo elder care facility, it’s worth 25 mil to the tax department billions to his creditors and cult members.
    
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    March 10, 2024 2:55pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Sigh
      Another person who doesnt understand Book Value vs Market value
      Face it, you really know eff all.
      The funny thing is the Carroll case and the Alleged Fraud case are going to be reversed.
      Then poor old E Jean the serial rape accuser is going owe Trump money- just like Stormy Daniels does.
      And that Georgia case is falling apart.
      I’m no Trump fan but you guys are just nuts with your nonsense.
      The gullibility because you just desperately want to believe is hilarious to watch.
      Get some help
      Lol
      
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      March 10, 2024 3:05pm
      - Its only I
        
        Book value v market value was never the question red.
        The question is residential value v commercial and the old stinky had it as both at the same time.
        All the valuations high and low were Trumps own.
        
        If trump is going to reverse his rape case then so be it, still does not change the bond shenanigans or the fact Habba was doing the newsroom rounds claiming trump was loaded with cash while lying to court. I think you have let Habbas gender affirming surgery distract you from the fact the answer is actually NO, she can’t fake being smart.
        
        The Georgia case is not falling apart, Fani may well be removed from the case, that doesn’t change much as she didn’t start the case, she was assigned it. That’s part of Trumps lawyers problems, all it will do is delay not halt the case…unless tRump wins this election then he will put anyone he dislikes in front of an AA gun and MTG will pull the trigger…not that her depth perception is that great with those eyes so close together…spray and pray.
        
        The stormy daniels thing is just the label put on a case that is much larger than just Trump paying for sex while his wife is at home with their first child. Not by a long shot. Look up catch and kill in relation to Trump, how he hid payments and the long string of women he has had to pay for sex…sad old b’stard…it gets worse if you look at what he brags about doing when he owned Miss USA, Miss Universe, and Miss Teen USA..dodgy AF
        
        Sorry Red your boi is a wrong’un.
        
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        March 10, 2024 4:31pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    All_on_Red
    
    Dude. Stop responding to this clown. He’s just a less intelligent version of mikenmild and he’s only here because it’s no longer so certain that Trump will lose, or even be in prison – although that would be fucking cool.
    
    Think Muttonbird only re-appearing on KB because Labour is dead. Same deal.
    
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    March 10, 2024 6:52pm
    - Its only I
      
      To assume is to presume.
      
      The funny thing is that I can agree on most comments Trumpkins make on KB, they make sense and make intelligent posts but, Far Canal, have any alternate view to them about Trump…
      
      The Trump thing is fascinating.
      
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      March 11, 2024 10:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A soft invasion. Does Joe Biden want to bring America to it’s knees? Does Biden want the “American Dream” gone?
The terrorists are just walking in:

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/national-security-at-risk-the-imminent-threat-of-a-terrorist-attack-03-09-2024/?
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March 10, 2024 1:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

McConnell’s sister in law death. It is being investigated. Did Chao’s Tesla back into the pond? Was Chinese hacking involve with the car control? Did she back it into the pond? Mitch McConnell has a bill passed about Military Aid to Taiwan. No longer a car accident, now a criminal investigation.
Is it a Democrat trick? We know they dispose people they don’t like.
Oh, the conspiracies!!
Things I did not know. The McConnell family is steeped in Chinese wealth.

https://crystalclearnews.com/mcconnells-sister-in-law-death-mysterious-tesla-crash-sparks-criminal-probe/?
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March 10, 2024 2:05pm
Jack5

Property investors will get tax deductibility for interest on their mortgages, ACT’s David Seymour announced today.

From April, these investors can offset 80 per cent of their interest against tax liability, and this will increase to 100 per cent from April next year.

To be fair, home owners should get the same tax offset. They won’t.

It will likely raise a few eyebrows given that so many members of Parliament, of varying political shades, are heavily invested in rental housing.

As I recall, Seymour at one stage said his personal property investment was through a property company. Presumably its loan costs will already have been offset against tax liability.

Seems little chance of NZ getting a meaningful capital gains tax, which virtually every successful developed country uses.

Those opposed are already trying to confuse this in voters’ minds with an unwanted wealth tax.

Is our coalition serious about fighting inflation when it’s doing things that will keep the property market hot?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/511318/mortgage-tax-deductions-to-be-restored-from-april-seymour
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March 10, 2024 2:31pm
- artemisia
  
  Interest deductibility for homeowners. This has been suggested a few times based on imputed rent to create a level playing field. Imputed rent is the equivalent of rental income, so net taxable after expenses.
  
  It will never happen – all the folk who have worked and saved to pay off their mortgage for their retirement but have to pay income tax on imputed rent less expenses.
  
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  March 10, 2024 4:53pm
  - fernglas
    
    It’s an interesting concept. If your home is owned by a family trust, the trust is liable to pay tax on rental income foregone if a market rent is not paid. If you loan someone money interest free you are liable to pay tax on the interest foregone (hence why such loans are made repayable on demand, so the amount foregone is indeterminable) A friend from the UK owns a holiday home in Spain as a non-resident, and she pays tax every year based on the income foregone from not having it rented out. The idea is not a completely novel one, but in a country where Ardern almost fell over herself to insist that capital gains tax would never be paid on the family home even as she was announcing a working group to look into all aspects of tax, it is unlikely to fly. But equally, to have an economy where the principal driver of wealth is capital gains made on residential housing, whether by owners or landlords, is at the root of New Zealand’s failure to thrive in productivity. Why produce something when it is easier to sit back and wait for ever-increasing numbers of migrants to pour in and drive housing prices up?
    
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    March 10, 2024 7:07pm
- rouppe
  
  To be fair, home owners should get the same tax offset.
  
  To be fair, I ought to be able to claim the cost of my car, like a tradie does. To be fair, I ought to be able to claim my flights like a business owner does. To be fair, I ought to get trade prices at Bunnings.
  
  Fair ain’t got fuck all to do with it
  
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  March 10, 2024 9:30pm
- MikeS
  
  “To be fair, home owners should get the same tax offset. They won’t.”
  
  Why on earth should a home owner get a tax deduction for interest on their mortgage? A landlord will once again be able to treat the interest on their mortgage as a business expense which means it will lower their income on paper and they will pay less tax.
  
  But they are running a business and landlords obviously agree with the government that the interest a bank charges them is a legitimate cost of doing business. A normal homeowner isn’t renting out their home as a business so can’t claim any business expenses.
  
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  March 12, 2024 8:42am
surfing

One of the more spiteful and incompetent moves by labour, removing the ability for landlords to deduct some business expenses from their income, is now being extended by national.

National have been a bit disappointing so far, it was very wrong for labour to attack landlords in this way, and now national are saying it wasn’t so bad.
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March 10, 2024 3:29pm
- Ghost
  
  Property investors can start claiming home interest again from this year. 80% from this year, 100% from next
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/money/350207484/property-investors-regain-ability-claim-interest-costs
  
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  March 10, 2024 4:56pm
- artemisia
  
  Not a lot different to the coalition agreement. Suggest difficult and expensive to change rules at this late point in the current tax year.
  
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  March 10, 2024 4:56pm
- MCōs
  
  One imagines some people will now get a rent reduction so it’s a win all round except for the government books
  
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  March 10, 2024 5:32pm
  - Ghost
    
    That’s the big problem. Everyone wants to pay less tax, but the country is broke. We want the health system fixed, roads fixed, schools, etc etc etc, but want our tax lowered.
    
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    March 10, 2024 5:52pm
    - rouppe
      
      If only we’d been extracting and selling oil for the last 50 years
      
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      March 10, 2024 9:21pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Drop the green nirvana bullshit and cut all unnecessary spending. Problem solved.
      
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      March 11, 2024 3:17pm
      - Ghost
        
        Nowhere near solved, we have to pay back all that money Robertson borrowed. We are broke, shit, might be easier to declare bankruptcy and have a fire sale of the country to Aussie. That way we can keep our nurses and doctors, instant pay rise to Aussie rates…
        
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        March 11, 2024 3:34pm
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    One can imagine whatever one wants but one would be delusional if they think that any landlords are going to reduce rent due to this.
    
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    March 12, 2024 8:58am
Tauhei Notts

Cricket.
What a fascinating test match.
Two days to go.
I follow the odds and N.Z. was only paying $1.20 when Aussie lost their fourth wicket, but their gritty Aussie fight back has begun and NZ are out to $1.50.
What a huge improvement by NZ over that Basin reserve debacle.
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March 10, 2024 6:50pm
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  6 good balls is all we need!
  
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  March 10, 2024 7:55pm
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    Well in theory we should have them, Luxon, Seymour, and Peters.
    
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    March 10, 2024 8:37pm
Scooter

It will be interesting to see what happens here. The hapu? are going to court for customary rights across Whangarei Harbour.

“If granted, the order would give hapū a voice when it came to new developments, planning documents for the area, granting mineral rights and the designation of sacred sites, where public access may be restricted.
Under the current law, an iwi or hapū applicant group has to meet two main criteria before the customary title is recognised.
It has to hold the area in accordance with Māori customs and practices and to have exclusively used and occupied the area since 1840, without substantial interruption.”

Straight away it’s clear they have not had exclusive use of the Whangarei area since 1840, what about all the private land owners, the port, marine and land conservation sites? The scary thing though is that it’s being heard in the Whangarei Maori Land Court.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/511342/landmark-case-hapu-outline-the-negative-impact-of-whangarei-harbour-s-industrial-developments
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March 10, 2024 7:49pm
Rich Prick

PSA: if you have an EV, park it a long way from where you live while charging. My neighbour’s Tesla spontaneous combusted at 4.00am taking out neighbouring garages. All the environmental brownie points earned went up in smoke, and it was a LOT of smoke. Not to mention the effects of wrecking this thing along with three other vehicles in a neighbouring garage. EVs are a joke, and a hazard. Don’t buy into the Green bullshit.
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March 10, 2024 11:03pm
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  Person a couple of hundred meets from me has 2 Tesla’s parked in a car port both on chargers.
  
  I admit I’ve been waiting for a fire, but so far no sign of it
  
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  March 11, 2024 7:58am
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  Really??? In NZ ?? When did this happen? Can’t find anything about it online.
  
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  March 12, 2024 9:03am

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