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Cassandra

“Maoris die 7 years earlier than non-Maori” because of institutional racism in the health system therefore we need a separate Maori health system. If any of that was true then we might need a racially divided health system; actually a lot of separate health systems. Quite where the Maori or Ethiopian neurosurgeons will come from has not been explained. A Maori colleague recently died at 89 and a European one at 66. Poor European NZers also suffer from diabetes, heart problems and kidney failure more than rich ones. I’ve recently been treated by two Maori doctors and umpteen Filipino, Indian and Samoan nurses. They were all good but the best was the Samoan. We don’t need a racially divided anything. We need to work together to achieve the best results for everyone. And the best thing iwi could do is to stop their members from eating junk, smoking and drinking alcohol excessively and encourage them to get proper jobs.
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March 4, 2024 8:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Watching TV all day on the couch is a hard job you know.
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:34am
  - MCōs
    
    Well put it somewhere else
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:38am
    - Nukuleka
      
      You can put yours wherever you want, MCōs. It’s a free world.
      
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      March 4, 2024 11:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I thought about that.
      
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      March 4, 2024 11:06am
- Aquarius
  
  Interestingly, I understand that in the Mormon church Māori health outcomes are essentially the same as non-Māori.
  Lifestyle choices anyone ?
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:50am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Aqua – does Mormonism shorten life expectancy for Europeans for any particular reason?
    
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    March 4, 2024 12:27pm
    - kowtow
      
      Having more than 1 wife will do that……..
      
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      March 4, 2024 5:58pm
- Grunter
  
  I keep hearing Maori “elites”, such as Willie Jackson say things like, “Maori want to be treated by someone that looks like them….” and “If we had more Maori Doctors then we would feel more comfortable visiting the Dr’s”
  
  If that’s not blatant racism then what is?
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:55am
  - Media hater
    
    I always thought this was why we had Maori Wardens, so the miscreants could be reasoned/dealt with by people who looked like them.
    
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    March 4, 2024 11:15am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I bet Wealthy Willy doesn’t go to a maori doctor.
    
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    March 4, 2024 11:26am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    That is so incorrect – I worked at Middlemore for years and the Maori and Pacifica patients had no problem making it clear which doctor they wanted, invariably the white one!
    
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    March 4, 2024 1:39pm
- Jack5
  
  Where are the hungry kids?
  
  The Woke can’t find skinny, hungry-looking kids to illustrate their demands for school-provided lunches for kids.
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:56am
  - peterwn
    
    Funding provision for school lunches ceases in the new future. If Labour was concerned about school lunches they would have made provision in Government finances into the future. But Robbo wanted to make the books look better then has the gall to blame Nicola Willis for not spotting his deception earlier on.
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:12am
  - kowtow
    
    NZME Herald doing a good job of talking it up today though.
    
    Front page headline attack on Seymour , followed by an emotion laden, evidence light opinion piece from a teacher.
    
    Seriously though , why should the long suffering tax payer have to fund school lunches when it’s a parents job to get them to school , ready to learn , with a couple of sangers and an apple in a lunch box.
    
    Teach ’em self reliance, personal pride and all that.
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:33am
- Matt Long
  
  “Why is the Māori suicide rate so high? Mental health minister Matt Doocey says the history of colonisation is one of the causes” Q and A.
  In view of National MPs and ministers blaming Maori ills on colonisation, how happy are the people who voted Labour Lite last election?
  “Right up to the 1950s (a time when social stigma would have been more intense for Māori people), the Māori suicide rate was approximately half that of the general population. It didn’t begin to rise until the 1950s, but even then it still didn’t overtake the non-Māori suicide rate until the middle of the 1990s.”
  Wow, sounds almost like colonisation didn’t cause either high incarceration rates or suicide among Maori, maybe bad social policy in post colonial Aotearoa?
  https://x.com/WatchLFM/status/1764149282536649109?s=20
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:02am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Actually, the “Colonialism” bogeyman has done untold harm to Maori. The fact that the evils of Colonialism don’t exist to the extent we’re told in this country is irrelevant. There really are thousands of people that believe they have no agency, that “colonialism” has stolen it from them. It doesn’t matter that that’s utter BS as the damage is from them believing it.
    
    The greatest harm to Maori is caused by activists telling them they have no agency.
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:46am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “The greatest harm to Maori is caused by activists telling them they have no agency.”
      
      Profoundly true. And those activists are now installed in every institution.
      
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      March 4, 2024 2:42pm
- Gussy Fink-Nottle
  
  Can we have a health system divided by gender too?
  Men die 3.5 years earlier than women.
  Clearly the result of institutional misandry. Arguing otherwise is blatant sexism.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:07am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Is the story the same for those who identify as men…?
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:33am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Can we have a health system divided by gender too?’
    
    Yep , 87 different health systems , that’ll work a treat.
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:36am
  - Philview
    
    I can’t see a single relative in my family tree who reached 80. I think I need a health system for people like me. Europeans with shorter life spans than other Europeans.
    
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    March 4, 2024 11:26am
  - Cantabrian
    
    This notion that Maori die younger than others is crock of …. The data is based on age of death and will be heavily influenced by life style and living choices in younger years – a person dying at 75 through poor health does not indicate that the current system is to blame. What we need is some decent analysis of projected life span based on current conditions. I bet a decent analysis would show that there is little if any gap.
    And why can we non-Maori not demand better care because we don’t live as long as Asians?
    Its a load of rubbish.
    
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    March 4, 2024 11:43am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Don’t worry about men. They are the privileged A holes that have been holding women back for millennia. It’s wimmen’s “time”!
    
    I actually heard a top female lawyer say words to that effect on taxpayer funded communist radio here in Victoria AU.
    
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    March 4, 2024 2:46pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  However as Seymour pointed out, Maoris live a lot longer nowadays thanks to the Europeans arriving.
  
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  March 4, 2024 12:04pm
- Paulus
  
  Do we have any truthful idea how many Maori Medical Professionals, and by analysis, there are in New Zealand?
  Enough to service only Maori ?
  (also we do not knowhow many Maori there are in New Zealand, anyway, as they do not do Censuses and Electoral Registers – the figures are still made up)
  
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  March 4, 2024 1:36pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    I don’t know how many there are but this year 115 of the 237 places at Auckland Med School are reserved for Maori and Pacific Islander Admission Scheme. (MAPAS).
    
    That 40% race based admission.
    
    https://uoa.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1792/p/213/session/L3RpbWUvMTcwNjQ2OTI2NC9nZW4vMTcwNjQ2OTI2NC9zaWQvZlVWQmVwYnV4Vm9YbFIwMHk3UldXVTZld19LVTdRZDZEZ3ZtJTdFWUIybGE4X1pFZGd2U2xyZWElN0UlN0VtUThtZTNIamhPQzBiamFQUllXazNzTkR4clMwS2FjNjNOT3BiV1J2TWo2T0VkMzAlN0VmSHZFaWxWT1piOU9PV3clMjElMjE=
    
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    March 4, 2024 2:54pm
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      Fucking dreadful
      
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      March 4, 2024 4:38pm
      - JohnRidd
        
        Yes Close Hen. It is. Tell people about it.
        
        In case you are not sure that MAPAS refers to Maori and Pacific admissions.
        
        https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/fmhs/study-with-us/maori-and-pacific-at-the-faculty/maori-and-pacific-admission-schemes.html
        
        I told my 25 year old son about this and he didn’t believe me, and he isn’t even slightly woke. He fact checked me and now he believes.
        
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        March 4, 2024 7:56pm
- NothingLeft
  
  There’s a clear and persistent difference in life expectancy between Polynesians and Europeans that go back to times before modern shit food/lifestyles and generational welfarism wrought their damage upon Maori. In 1950’s when Maori almost all worked and were raised by a married mum and dad their life expectancy was 11 years lower for men and 15 years lower for women:
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/1966/life-expectation-of
  
  To expect that there wouldn’t be significant differences in lifespan and other biologically determined attributes between peoples who have evolved for Millenia in very different cultures and climates with divergent selection pressures is just silly. It’s nobodies fault, and has no bearing on a persons value, but it is real.
  
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  March 4, 2024 4:01pm
- PurplePen
  
  I’ll make an assumption that Ngai Tahu is the gold standard of all Maori tribes. It would be interesting to know what their life expectancy and health stats are compared to New Zealanders that aren’t Maori. Is there little if no difference. If that turns out to be the case then it would suggest it’s the non-gold-standard tribes and their leaders that are the cause of the issue. Are such stats available and from where?
  
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  March 4, 2024 4:42pm
  - PurplePen
    
    I found stats by NZ area. Here they are pre-covid for 2014. Note the marked difference between North Island and south Island Maori, and in particular Maori from Otago where the difference is only 1.2 years. Sorry, can’t figure out how to maintain table columns!
    
    Area non-maori maori difference
    New Zealand 80.3 73.0 7.3
    Northland 80.3 71.3 9.0
    Auckland 81.1 73.7 7.4
    Waikato 80.3 72.2 8.1
    Bay of Plenty 80.7 72.3 8.4
    Gisborne 79.4 70.4 9.0
    Hawke’s Bay 79.9 71.7 8.2
    Taranaki 79.7 73.6 6.1
    Manawatū-Wh 79.5 72.3 7.2
    Wellington 80.3 74.7 5.6
    Tasman 80.7 78.0 2.7
    Nelson 80.0 77.3 2.7
    Marlborough 80.1 77.1 3.0
    West Coast 79.1 76.2 2.9
    Canterbury 80.0 77.2 2.8
    Otago 79.6 78.4 1.2
    Southland 79.0 74.6 4.4
    
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    March 4, 2024 5:02pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    I think it is interesting that New Zealand is too far from then equator for people with brown skin to get sufficient sunlight in winter to make enough vitamin D for their immune system to function well.
    
    It makes sense, therefore, that brown skinned people would have poorer health statistics compared to lighter skinned people.
    
    Perhaps brown skinned people like descendants of the original Maori immigrants should go back to the lower lattitudes from whence they came?
    
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    March 4, 2024 8:13pm
Biscuit

Not accessed any of the Enzed media as yet today so if someone can tell me which local journo is whinging that someone (the Government, a friendly overseas-based meejya giant, Santa Claus?) needs to ‘save’ Newshub because, well, it’s undemocratic that our opinionists mightn’t get the chance to browbeat us with their uncannily-similar viewpoints…
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March 4, 2024 8:16am
- G152
  
  Yup. Literally hundreds of news items arise each day and our print media always print the same articles.
  Makes one think that perhaps they are run by and edited by the one team
  
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  March 4, 2024 8:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s all Melissa Lee’s fault:
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018928561/govt-warned-over-need-for-fair-digital-news-bargaining-bill
  
  And Wily Jackson confirms that:
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018928554/willie-jackson-on-facebook-and-google-paying-for-news-content
  
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  March 4, 2024 8:42am
  - Biscuit
    
    But but, Maggy:
    
    “The Government will legislate to require major online digital companies such as Google and Meta to pay a fair price to New Zealand media companies for the local news content they host and share on their platforms,” New Zealand’s Minister of Broadcasting Willie Jackson said in a press statement issued on November 4. It will do so by requiring tech companies to negotiate with publishers to enter into deals.’
    
    Look further.
    
    The November 4 in question wasn’t in 2023 but was in 2022.
    
    Willie’s Government could move quickly when it wanted to – scrapping Charter Schools, kerboshing the Oil and Gas industry, banning weaponry (but not for those nice gangs), pushing through 3 Waters etc etc but they dillydallied over using their (then) Parliamentary majority to help out the media.
    
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    March 4, 2024 8:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yeah, but only sad old folks like us will bother dragging up inconvenient facts like that.
      
      That’s not the way a modern, gotcha journo works.
      
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      March 4, 2024 9:02am
      - Biscuit
        
        You can just picture the Press Conference, Maggy:
        
        Tova: Why hasn’t the Government moved more speedily on the…?
        Jacinda: Tova, I said ‘Jessica, then Tova’. Pull your head in. Jessica, you were about to ask just how wonderful my Government has been this past week.
        Jessica: I was indeed, Prime Minister. How wonderful has your Government been this past week?
        Jacinda: See, Tova, these things work best if you follow the script you’ve all been given.
        
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        March 4, 2024 9:18am
  - rouppe
    
    I put a comment into Stuff saying I’ve been made redundant twice, and maybe these people should stop their wailing and get on with it.
    
    Didn’t pass moderation
    
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    March 4, 2024 12:29pm
artemisia

School lunches. In the Herald today, David Seymour (and The Treasury) looking at whether there is evidence the hundreds of millions is well spent. Sounds like plenty of lunches are being wasted.

He said “the evidence that is in place indicates that the free school lunch programme has not improved attendance or achievement in any measurable way.”

Are there other ways than supplying premade meals, usually made off site and trucked in daily, to all whether they want them or not?

How about the option of a pack of commercial cheese and crackers at less than a buck a pack, no need to bin the unwanted, pop back in the carton for tomorrow. Add a piece of fruit, probably already available in schools. Not much variety but fuel for the actually hungry. Just an idea.

A principal said the other day that some only come to school for the free lunch. Those hundreds of millions would buy a lot of knocks on the door.
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March 4, 2024 8:16am
- Grunter
  
  Taxpayers paying for school lunches (it’s not FREE!!) is wrong in many ways;
  
  1. It is very inefficient financially (wastes money)
  2. It wastes food (25% chucked out)
  3. Makes families reliant on the State again
  
  If you can not figure out how to feed your kid school lunch for less than say $2 (apple, and a couple of basic sandwiches), then you shouldn’t have kids in the first place.
  
  It is time some for parents to grow up and take responsibility for a basic of life – feed your kids!
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:09am
  - alphabeatrium
    
    25% chucked out is probably only slightly higher than my success rate in making lunches for my kids. God bless my backyard chooks.
    
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    March 4, 2024 1:59pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Free” lunch, you say? it’s a truism that there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Somebody is paying for it – most likely you and me.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:26am
- Paulus
  
  And let the Teachers starve ?
  
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  March 4, 2024 1:39pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Another one bites the dust.

Apple has reportedly cancelled its plans to build electric vehicles.

“The market demand for EVs is not there and AI is where all the action is,” he (Ray Wang) added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68420817
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March 4, 2024 8:17am
- NothingLeft
  
  There’s a blood bath going on in EV industry. Most IC manufacturers are backing off switch rapidly, as they lose huge money on each EV they sell. Dedicated EV makers (mostly chinese) appear to be going under.
  
  Big player BYD’s sales have collapsed (down 65% from peak).
  
  Tesla will survive, but perhaps won’t grow much this year. EV purchasers will become more wary once there is a bit of negative sentiment in the air.
  
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  March 4, 2024 3:50pm
Chuck Bird

It will be interesting to hear Luxon tell Hosking why is apartment is unlivable tomorrow.
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March 4, 2024 8:17am
- Matt Long
  
  What’s the problem, all we have to do is spend 30 million on renovation of premier house every decade or so, that’s cheap compared with say subsidies for foreign cinema owners, or renovations of libraries, or all the other hundreds of millions wasted on Wellington Buildings.
  Time to sell Premier House.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/premier-house-report-into-prime-minister-chris-luxons-apartment-reveals-its-drafty-dated-uninsulated-leaky/EE6S7OFDAJBIPJABV5CR4SNUEQ/
  
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  March 4, 2024 8:52am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The problem is we do not know if $30 million is necessary and is a fair price. I will be listening to Hosking tomorrow.
    
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    March 4, 2024 9:12am
    - greybeard
      
      That $30m was probably Grant Robertson’s estimate.
      
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      March 4, 2024 10:19am
      - imalwaysright
        
        $28 million for paperwork.
        $2 million for the building.
        
        Why don’t they sling cindy kiro out of government house and use that.
        
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        March 4, 2024 11:35am
      - zulumonster
        
        A commenter on Hosking’s show this morning asked if he knew the exorbitant cost of scrubbing woke out of the carpet these days…
        
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        March 4, 2024 12:41pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Wouldn’t it be cheaper/better to convert it back to a children’s dental clinic (as it was for 50 years from 1937)?
    
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    March 4, 2024 9:12am
    - Taieri
      
      Back to the “murder house”?
      
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      March 4, 2024 10:23am
    - alwyn.a
      
      I doubt you would get any of the Wellingtonians who went there as children to agree. They still refer to it as “The Murder House”.
      My wife was sent to a dentist as a child, rather than the Dental Clinic. Her friends were jealous.
      
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      March 4, 2024 10:32am
    - Matt Long
      
      Maybe better, hard to see cheaper.
      
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      March 4, 2024 10:36am
  - Jethrod
    
    Make it part of a Treaty of Waitangi settlement with the local tribe. Part of the agreement being that no comeback for repairs or do ups.
    There….. motel problem solved for that suburb!
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:26am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      The needy of Thorndon – heh!
      
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      March 4, 2024 12:35pm
  - Paulus
    
    Have to clear out the rats and possums first, being where it is, in the bush on Town Belt.
    
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    March 4, 2024 1:41pm
- Omni Consumer Products
  
  It will be interesting to hear Luxon tell Hosking why is apartment is unlivable tomorrow
  
  It was previously occupied by Cindy then Chips, right?
  Either its because of the state they left it in, or they let it get into…
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:05am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “It was previously occupied by Cindy then Chips, right?”
    
    Cindy yes. Chips no.
    
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    March 4, 2024 9:35am
    - Beach Haven expat
      
      Which is remarkable as we now know Chippy was in need of a new home around then. Especially as he was playing a lot of “online scrabble” with Toni during his premiership.
      
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      March 4, 2024 6:27pm
- KH
  
  Just sell Premier House. $30 million is crazy.
  It’s just a dump from another era, both physically and in it’s use. And we don’t need the variety of footmen etc that probably infest the place.
  Let Luxon stay in his very convenient and suitable apartment.
  Entertain VIPs in the various formats already available.
  Sell it tomorrow. Begone.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:04am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s kind of genius by Hipkins. As a Wellington MP he had no legal right to stay at Premier House (or claim the accommodation supplement) so he didn’t initiate repairs on it.
  
  As long as Hipkins was PM it wasn’t an issue. However, when he lost the election it would be another nasty surprise for the incoming PM and a weapon to be used against them.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:57am
Bridgenag

New Zealand mentioned in a bad way….again

One of the world’s largest online video game marketplaces says it has referred user accounts to legal authorities after a Bellingcat investigation found tokens to create nonconsensual pornographic deepfakes were being surreptitiously sold on the site.

Bellingcat senior researcher and trainer Kolina Koltai uncovered a network of interconnected deepfake sites and business entities from Spain to New Zealand. You can also watch a video where Kolina takes you through her research on nonconsensual AI deepfakes on Instagram here.
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March 4, 2024 8:19am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  This is the same Bellingcat that has been found to be an arm of the CIA?
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:27am
G152

Time for Hamas to surrender unconditionally to save the Palestinian people.
Unless they dont care for starving civians who are their shields.
hamas invaded Israel now the Israeli are demanding retribution the only solution is for Hamas to surrender
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March 4, 2024 8:28am
- cmm
  
  “Israeli are demanding retribution ”
  
  I think that is overstating it. Retribution is close to vengeance – both imply willful destruction for no justifiable purpose.
  
  Israel is seeking the legitimate destruction of Hamas. Unfortunately Hamas has placed their assets amongst the Gazan population therefore destroying Hamas is causing massive destruction of Gaza too.
  
  Building your assets in civilian areas and using human shields does not make them safe from attack. They are still legitimate targets. When there is collateral damage it is on Hamas’ head.
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:30am
- Paulus
  
  The question being asked – Hamas will not release those stolen from their raid on Israel, is how many are still alive, and for Hamas to do anything that is the first question – so Hamas will do stuff all.
  It remains possible that there are none still alive.
  
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  March 4, 2024 1:45pm
  - cmm
    
    Why use soft words like stolen.
    Kidnapped!
    And “none left”?
    They have been murdered.
    
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    March 4, 2024 3:43pm
- Grunter
  
  G152
  Everything you’ve said above is correct, except for “the only solution is for Hamas to surrender”.
  
  I’d suggest that even that is not a “solution” (and Hamas will never surrender, so it is wishful thinking anyway.) There will always be extremist Arabs to replace Hamas when they disappear. And the next wave will most likely be even worse than Hamas (just like a virus the new variant is almost always worse).
  
  So, I look at Israel’s strategy of “eliminating Hamas” with about the same derision as I looked at Arderns “eliminate Covid” strategy. It simply will not work.
  
  Please don’t misinterpret this as I must therefore be pro-Hamas – I am not. Just pointing out again that there is no “solution” to this mess. It can, of course, be made much worse by continually escalating week after week. The killing will continue en-mass for some time yet……and that is not a “solution” either.
  
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  March 4, 2024 3:06pm
  - cmm
    
    Correct.
    
    Any “solution” that relies on an impossibility is not a viable solution. May as well say “all I need to do to sort out my credit card debt is win lotto”.
    
    Nor will Hamas (and Islam in general) ever be defeated. Sure, you can beat them this time, but they will be back in another 10, 20 or 50 years. Beat them again and they will be back in 60, 70 or 100 years.
    
    They 100% believe that they must defeat Jews and Israel and they will just continue to come back again and again.
    
    According to ex Israeli soldiers, this is the main reason that Israel has adopted a “mowing the lawn” policy. They know they will never “win”. They know the Muslims will come back.
    
    The best Israel can hope for is a somewhat tolerable existence that allows them to live a reasonable life.
    
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    March 4, 2024 3:51pm
    - Grunter
      
      I’d argue that “mowing the lawn” – which is a horrible term, but an accurate description of what Israel is doing, will make matters much worse for Israel. They will be in a constant war for many years IMO.
      
      The anger, and hatred from Arab states, and Muslims worldwide, towards Jews, is going through the roof because of the “mowing the lawn” strategy. Plus, of course, the weird lefties are joining in and have bizarrely become pro-Hamas, adding additional noise to the anger.
      
      This doesn’t all just go away once Hamas has been dealt with in Gaza.
      
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      March 4, 2024 4:38pm
Warren

You can tell how bias the media are when they go after David Seymour over his and his Party’s policy on free School lunches. Also it is not fair for the Coalition to have to find the funds to fund after Labour the previous Government used Covid-19 funds to originally pay for this policy whe it first started.
If Parents can’t feed their children they shouldn’t be allowed to have children and most young people that have children do it for the reward of payments for having children.Labour burns New Zealand with there inability to tell the truth or put away funds to pay for policy and the next Government has to pay for their bullshit and there poor policies.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/school-lunches-health-campaigners-blast-extremely-concerning-david-seymour-appointment/6DUOCSCBW5DEVID72DJNYGJ3ZE/
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March 4, 2024 8:28am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  “They shouldn’t be allowed to have children” – yeah, right. Do tell us exactly how you imagine the Government will prevent them.
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:44am
  - Keith White
    
    Tubes tied for both mother and father (DNA proof) when claiming benefit after 1 child (get one freebie) when physically able to work but not willing to work.
    
    Agreeing to that procedure will meet exactly the same ethical standards in terms of informed consent & bodily autonomy as did the Jab of Death and Damage, so the usual suspects – Swinburne, Russell, H1, Greens, TPM etc – can’t say it’s unacceptable.
    
    Even better – in this scenario, thems what get the tubes tied, get the bene! Don’t get the tubes tied, OK no bene for you but you’ll still be allowed out of the house and to travel!
    
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    March 4, 2024 1:03pm
    - artemisia
      
      How about the policy of the previous National government – have another child when on benefit, then when the new child is 12 months old and the next oldest is 5 or more, must be work ready. Same pretty much as a working parent on parental leave.
      
      Not sure it worked well, it would need some hard talks between WINZ and the parent. Might work better when the proposed new sanctions are in place.
      
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      March 4, 2024 3:38pm
    - cmm
      
      Tubes tied? But that will put baby factories out off the business!
      
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      March 4, 2024 3:53pm
- Flossie
  
  “…most young people that have children do it for the reward of payments for having children.”
  What rubbish! Maybe some are, but that was a dreadful generalisation. None of my many grandchildren were conceived as financial assets for their parents!
  
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  March 4, 2024 12:45pm
  - cmm
    
    “most” is an exaggeration, but “far too many” would not be.
    
    It also depends on what you mean by “young people”. I suspect Warren means those aged under 21.
    
    In this context I don’t think we was having a go at everyone, but rather beneficiaries who are running baby factories.
    
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    March 4, 2024 3:57pm
- Ghost
  
  I don’t mind a policy where schools provide lunches to those whose families are struggling. There were always kids like that. What we don’t need is what we have now where parents have been told not to send their child to school with lunch because the union wanted to bring in school lunches for all in the school.
  
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  March 4, 2024 3:43pm
  - cmm
    
    The real problem is that the state is incredibly bad at solving problems.
    
    We’re told that kids wag school and can’t concentrate because they are hungry. Similarly we hear that kids can’t afford transport.
    
    If the school feeding schemes really provided a nutritious meal and the kids (a) stopped wagging and (b) did better, then I think it would be somewhat excusable.
    
    But there is little evidence that this is actually happening.
    
    Sure, there is a very strong relationship between good nutrition and good school outcomes, but that is because people who care enough to feed their kids also care enough to engage with their kids about education. ie. it is a correlation, not a causal relationship.
    
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    March 4, 2024 4:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe Biden wants the votes of “newcomers.”

https://shorturl.at/oqwK1
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March 4, 2024 8:30am
- Lee C
  
  Well, colour me suprised!
  
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  March 4, 2024 8:32am
- Lee C
  
  Here’s Trump’s reponse:
  https://youtu.be/ERa9Ftc0yeM
  
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  March 4, 2024 8:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Thanks. Had not seen it yet. I will dump it on Facebook for out host Alaskan families to see. They are left and right, but they truly know what the American Dream is.
    
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    March 4, 2024 9:21am
Maggie Pie

See where Rawiri and Debbie are saying “how excited they are to be heading across to the GC next month to attend the Kapahaka Festival”.
Tens-of-thousands Maori votes to be harvested apparently.

Assume all expenses will be on the taxpayers t*t?
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March 4, 2024 8:31am
- imalwaysright
  
  Thankfully most maoris have already rejected them.
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:37am
Swifty

Now it’s all Melissa Lee’s fault….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350194489/nz-politics-live-bailout-warning-went-media-minister-newshubs-collapse
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March 4, 2024 8:37am
- greybeard
  
  My God, Stuff still has sob-stories from Mike McRoberts and Duncan Garner on their front page.
  A whole week of it now.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:23am
  - David George
    
    “People can have their own opinions. They’re wrong.” Mike McRoberts in interview with Paula Penfold.
    Arrogant to the end.
    
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    March 4, 2024 12:25pm
    - Paulus
      
      Remember Penfold and McRoberts were, until recently, a married couple !
      
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      March 4, 2024 1:47pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Might affect the divorce settlement, eh?
        
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        March 4, 2024 7:29pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Makes it so much easier for me to say ‘Go away!’ (or words to that effect) when the CrowdFund people knock on my door for dosh to help their pal Mike, heh.
      
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      March 4, 2024 1:48pm
  - sungsamning
    
    I wonder if they’ll send a camera team to record them enrolling in coding courses?
    
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    March 4, 2024 4:14pm
- MCōs
  
  Nothing in that article is putting the blame with Lee however as the Minister of Broadcasting she’s said very little on the demise of Newshub and Jackson, who has plenty of opinions on just about everything, has wasted no time in filling the vacuum. Chap can’t believe his good luck!
  Listening to Minister Lee in that clip 1News will be next because it’s devil take the hindmost
  Winston will be furious
  
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  March 4, 2024 12:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Auckland Council wants Govt to pay rates and GST.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/auckland-asks-government-to-cough-up-on-rates-and-gst/ar-BB1jg0ky?
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March 4, 2024 8:39am
- Inandout
  
  SO, all rates exempt properties should have at least a nominal fee charged, and that includes religious and government properties. As Scientology and iwis discovered, be it religious or quasi religious can be quite lucrative.
  
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  March 4, 2024 8:49am
  - peterwn
    
    I think they already do, to cover three waters costs.
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:21am
  - Paulus
    
    What about the properties and land that do not pay rates which are then written off each year ?
    Oh I forgot, Maori of course.
    
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    March 4, 2024 1:49pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Here’s one for you then SteveO…
  
  If the GST on Rates is $415,000,000, what is the total amount of Rates charged to Auckland Ratepayers.
  
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  March 4, 2024 8:52am
  - Matt Long
    
    415,000,000 =15%*X
    Divide both sides by X and you get bureaucratic waste.
    
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    March 4, 2024 8:56am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      So do I take it you don’t no the ansa either then Matt?
      
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      March 4, 2024 9:26am
    - Yvette
      
      “If the GST on Rates is $415,000,000, what is the total amount of Rates charged to Auckland Ratepayers?”
      
      Surely, total amount is (8 x 415,000,000) + 415,000,000
      3320,000,000 + 415,000,000 = $3,735,000,000
      
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      March 4, 2024 9:37am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        GST is 15% not 12.5%
        
        100/15 = 6.667 multipler not 8
        
        8 works for 12.5%
        
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        March 4, 2024 12:07pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Soon to be 17.5%…
        
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        March 4, 2024 3:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    $415M. The rest of NZ don’t pay Rates do they?
    
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    March 4, 2024 9:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I did not read that correctly LOL!
      
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      March 4, 2024 12:01pm
  - Ron Jeremy
    
    $3,181,666,666.65
    
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    March 4, 2024 9:35am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      WOW!! That’s huge!
      
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      March 4, 2024 9:51am
      - pdm
        
        MP – isn’t that what the Actress said to the Archbishop?
        
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        March 4, 2024 12:49pm
    - rjay
      
      Actually $2,766,666,666.66.
      
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      March 4, 2024 10:05am
      - Local Miller
        
        Actually $2,766,666,666.67 if you allow for bankers rounding.
        
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        March 4, 2024 10:46am
      - Matt Long
        
        Plus GST.
        
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        March 4, 2024 11:01am
  - Biscuit
    
    Shame on you, Maggie, introducing maffymattix into Kiwiblog…
    
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    March 4, 2024 1:50pm
- cmm
  
  Tax on tax is ridiculous.
  
  So is paying tax on interest accrued in a savings account. Basically we’re being taxed on inflation.
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Been ongoing since 1986 and nothing ever done about it.
    
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    March 4, 2024 9:26am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, nothing ever will either.
      
      I am surprised they don’t also charge us GST on interest.
      
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      March 4, 2024 9:32am
  - Inandout
    
    cmm, rates are a fee as was explained by Douglas, so taxing it can’t be doubleing. And then there is fuel and ciggies being taxed. Yes I know this is merely playing with words.
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:02am
  - mogg
    
    Yes and when you spend your after tax earned interest, you will pay another tax in the form of gst.
    When interest rates start to fall there will be a nice little earner from the tax free capital gains on equities. Any worthwhile fund should return 15% at least.
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:25am
Handyman

Are you noticing the shift in media headlines?
Previous headlines would be “Government Reduces Child Poverty” with the first sentence adding “says minister”.
Now the headlines read “Sun rises in the East, CLAIMS minister”.*

The other trend is that last year’s headlines were actually press releases about good things to happen in the future and were announcing funding (usually rounded up to total over four years).
This year’s headlines are about opposition (Labour, NGO or some random twitter) to a real or phantom government policy.

*Not actual headline.
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March 4, 2024 8:49am
- Loddenthinks
  
  If it was an actual headline, then – like pretty much everything the MSM spouts, other than the date – it would be completely wrong. The sun doesn’t rise in the east, the west, or any other direction.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:54am
- artemisia
  
  “Claims Minister”? More likely “Admits Minister”.
  
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  March 4, 2024 11:27am
Tauhei Notts

Early morning coffee with an old mate.
He says, “remember about 2015 or so when I said that the Herald seemed to have a 38 year old divorced mother of two as their primary market?”
“Well, now she is 47 and they have two page expose on menopause.”
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March 4, 2024 8:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Did scientists self censor during Covid?

https://shorturl.at/EOY28
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March 4, 2024 9:03am
- cmm
  
  Yup, of course they did.
  As did GPs who could see the abuse of the medical system.
  As did lawyers who could see the abuse of the legal system.
  As did teachers who could see the abuse of the school system.
  As did police who could see the abuse of police powers.
  As did the MSM who could see the abuse of information channels.
  etc etc
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:24am
  - Taieri
    
    As did the voters in 2020.
    
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    March 4, 2024 9:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It was a social engineering experiment to see how far we could be pushed.
    
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    March 4, 2024 9:30am
    - imalwaysright
      
      S.O
      It was fear mongering at its most evil.
      Here’s a taste of the British governments agenda and methods.
      https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/05/matt-hancock-wanted-to-frighten-pants-off-everyone-during-pandemic-18387383/
      
      It would be a fair bet that the same was done here.
      I’m amazed that Boris and Hancock aren’t in jail. Same with adern and hipkins.
      
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      March 4, 2024 9:59am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “Safe and Effective.”
        “If you didn’t hear it from us then it’s not true.”
        “Don’t even talk to your neighbours.”
        
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        March 4, 2024 11:18am
  - Local Miller
    
    As did millions of ordinary people who could see they were being abused.
    At least they should have been able to see they were being abused.
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:51am
    - cmm
      
      Once people were invested as far as spiking their kids then they will actively avoid finding out anything. They would rather bury their heads in the sand than face the truth.
      
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      March 4, 2024 12:06pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  No, they were all for it. Stop trying to rewrite history.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:59am
Maggie Pie

Found this ob SBW ‘X’ …..

“If a husband calls his wife to bed [ie. to have sex] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning”

– Hadith3237

https://twitter.com/SonnyBWilliams/status/1759486831358517403
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March 4, 2024 9:05am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  But Maggie, does the same apply if he calls her to a nearby public toilet?
  
  Asking for a cricketing friend…
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:30am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, what if the husband and wife are the same sex? Just remembered, this can’t happen in Islamworld.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:08am
- kowtow
  
  Sunday Herald yesterday had a story on him meeting a’controversial” cleric.
  
  Controversial meaning he’s banned from lots of countries for stirring up , cough cough ,unpeaceful emotions ………
  
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  March 4, 2024 1:06pm
MCōs

Your mate is obviously a bloke if a discussion on menopause is an exposé
And an insensitive one at that
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March 4, 2024 9:09am
- imalwaysright
  
  Is menopause a sacred subject?
  What about puberty?
  Or any other biological process?
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:05am
cmm

Stuff has one of their highly inflammatory articles on Gaza, this time about airdrops.

In an article about airdrops there’s a picture of a woman crying supposedly due to someone killed in an air stike. Of course that is nothing to do with the subject at hand, but why not add some drama.

The article does correctly identify a problem with high altitude air drops – you can’t control what happens and who gets the goods. For example, morphine ending up on the black market rather than in hospitals.

But I think there are two reasons the article misses:
1) Militaries like to play with their toys. They love an excuse to do air drops when a lowly truck would accomplish the same task.

2) Aid trucks on the ground are not necessarily safe. They get swarmed. They get attacked.

Quite likely Hamas is injecting itself into the supply line and thus controlling the food that people eat and can continue to strengthen their hold on the population.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350199741/dropping-aid-planes-expensive-and-inefficient-why-do-it
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March 4, 2024 9:13am
- Jack5
  
  Aid drops are rarely best delivery, as CMM points out.
  
  An exception might have been the CIA’s Air America delivering food and ammunition to Hmong outposts in Laos during the Vietnam war.
  
  Even then, rudimentary air strips, including at least one that seemed to run over a hilltop, allowed better delivery by little planes like a Pilatus or a Cessna, than that of material, usually without parachutes, kicked out of old DC3’s and the like.
  
  Aid drops couldn’t sustain Dien Bien Phu, either.
  
  From the news pictures of Gaza, how are they going to clear drop zones there? If by Hamas, wouldn’t that entice the Israelis to open fire?
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:12am
  - kowtow
    
    This has nothing to do with “aid” or military exercises.
    
    It’s Biden or someone else in control at the WH making an anti Israel gesture.
    
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    March 4, 2024 12:58pm
- Matt Long
  
  Mob causes Egyptian Gaza aid truck to crash, kills driver.
  https://x.com/tallyman2023/status/1764333103114572279?s=20
  This story is on X and Reddit but not on any news site.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:25am
  - MCōs
    
    The story is on X so it must be true
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:51am
    - Matt Long
      
      The story is on X and Reddit, so it’s not verified.
      Likewise if a story is on MSM, it’s not verified.
      
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      March 4, 2024 11:05am
      - MCōs
        
        Not necessarily
        Some stories are unverified/verified no matter where they are
        
        I remember about twenty years ago when there was rioting in Bangkok and someone on Twitter claimed Seacon Sq Mall had been torched. I could see the place from our house so I had a look for myself and it was fine.
        
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        March 4, 2024 11:16am
      - Matt Long
        
        About 20 years ago… on Twitter…
        My aren’t we the early adopter.
        
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        March 4, 2024 12:35pm
      - MCōs
        
        The alleged fire was May 2010 so some time before that
        I bought an iPhone to keep up to date with cricket scores and suddenly found there were these things called apps and it was all downhill from there
        
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        March 4, 2024 12:57pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        @MCos: Yeah, I was there and remember reading BANGKOK ON FIRE! headlines on the interwebs when it was just a few intersections and malls. Also TANKS IN THE STREETS! when I think I saw one jeep and a handful of soldiers in our neighbourhood the whole time.
        
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        March 4, 2024 9:03pm
Maggie Pie

Lot’s on X are saying Ardern’s ‘lunch in schools program’ was right up there
with ‘Cultural Reports’ and the 2.75mill to Harry Tam.
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March 4, 2024 9:23am
- cmm
  
  They would be right.
  
  The lunch contracts seemed to end up in the same sorts of pockets allowing people to charge huge amounts for a cold spoonful of spaghetti in tomato sauce.
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:36am
  - Matt Long
    
    I’m told the lunches at kamo high school were pretty good, none at the school my kids attend.
    
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    March 4, 2024 10:26am
    - greybeard
      
      I went to Kamo High School from 1961 – 1966.
      “Free” milk was provided, but no “free” lunches were required.
      
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      March 4, 2024 10:39am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      According to David, Labor gave $160 million dollars
      a year for what he described as… ‘a marketing stunt’!
      If parents can’t afford to give their kids say a measly
      20 bucks a day to spend on a sandwich and a dionut,
      then maybe they shouldn’t have children in the first place?
      
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      March 4, 2024 10:43am
      - MCōs
        
        Twenty dollars will buy plenty of food at the St Cuthberts Canteen
        https://assets.website-files.com/5daa74260d705b464d7e5aaa/62394490155a4b6492983071_CanteenMenuPurchasing.pdf
        
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        March 4, 2024 11:02am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Exactly my point Cossie!
        OK, that menu is from five years ago, but 20 is still heaps for any kid.
        And TBF, we already work for 340,000 ‘other peoples families’ as it is.
        (That’s something we’re lobbying David to look at for us as well.)
        
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        March 4, 2024 11:32am
      - BeaB
        
        You’d think St Cuthberts would be offering better quality food than that junk.
        
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        March 4, 2024 11:36am
      - MCōs
        
        Kids are the same everywhere
        That’s the stuff they’ll eat
        None of this health food malarkey
        
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        March 4, 2024 1:28pm
      - MCōs
        
        I went to the GP once
        He checked this, he checked that
        You’re fine, he said, just keep off the health food for awhile
        
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        March 4, 2024 1:31pm
Rusty

March 1993, Eden park. I was there on the last day when the Black caps beat the Aussies in this country.

That was 31 years ago!
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March 4, 2024 9:36am
- alex Masterley
  
  So was I.
  At the presentation Merv Hughes was asked by some wag if he was going to give the trophy a spit and polish.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:52am
Grunter

This is very good. On point and very funny. Hopefully, Robertson reads it along with all his red mates at Otago Uni..

“And I did hear the faint strains of a dirge-like song: ‘Treaty-led, rather-Red, Diversity-fed’… ‘Treaty-led, rather Red, Diversity-fed’… ‘Treaty-led…’

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/emeritus-professor-rex-adhar-cometh-the-hour?
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March 4, 2024 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who could this be?
  
  a portly fellow of no great bookish learning, but imbued with rodent-like cunning absorbed from internecine battles in the corridors of the powerful,
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:16am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Widmerpool?
    
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    March 4, 2024 1:47pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Indeed…
      
      Life imitating Art…
      
      Although it may be a stretch too far to see Robbo running a commune of disaffected youths in a year or so.
      
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      March 4, 2024 2:16pm
Maggie Pie

And wasn’t Clarke living at Prem House?
Maybe they’ve just had the whole place checked with a UV black-light 😎

Although TBF, you’d have to say thirty-mill for a reno sounds a bit OTT
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March 4, 2024 9:45am
- mogg
  
  That’s nothing, Wgtn town hall original cost of refurb $44m, latest estimate $250m. It’s been going on for 13 yrs, completion date unknown.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:43am
  - Matt Long
    
    What relationship exists between contractors and council decision makers in this context, I wonder 🤔
    
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    March 4, 2024 11:08am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Bureaucrats see big budgets as status symbols.
      
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      March 4, 2024 11:52am
Chuck Bird

I heard on Sky Aust that a court in Queensland ruled that vaccine mandates were unlawful.
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March 4, 2024 9:48am
Gravelroad

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/tim-southee-leaves-door-ajar-for-shock-neil-wagner-recall-amid-will-o-rourke-doubt-1423345
“Southee pinpointed that Cameron Green’s 174 not out and his 116-run 10th-wicket stand with Josh Hazlewood on the second morning was the difference in the game. He conceded that his team got their strategy wrong to Green.
“I think we probably could have tried to get Green out on that second morning,” he said. “I think the way he played that night before, we thought he was probably going to come out and play some shots. But we probably could look to get him out and on that second morning and make things slightly easier than what we did.”
Looks like the Black Caps could do with some strategic thinkers in their outfit.
Didn’t know that the Basin Reserve pitch might take spin and weren’t too bothered about whether they got out Cameron Green or not.
These guys are professionals paid to play cricket as a job not just Sunday afternoon sport with mates.
Surely they must have advisors around them with a better sense of competitiveness than this?
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March 4, 2024 10:02am
- marcw
  
  When Green was on 90 odd on his first innings, O’Rourke came on and bowled 4 consecutive balls short and wide.
  Ball 1 – easy boundary gifted.
  Ball 2 – knocked down to gully.
  Ball 3 – easy boundary gifted.
  Ball 4 – easy boundary gifted.
  Green says “thanks for the gift, the century is in the books, no sweat.”
  
  Something is wrong with the mindset and strategy of this team.
  
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  March 4, 2024 10:35am
  - oldfella
    
    Marc, I think the team needs a fresh start with a new coach, and I also think that while Southee is a great bowler, he’s miscast as captain.
    
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    March 4, 2024 12:39pm
    - pdm
      
      Agreed oldfella.
      
      Southee is not a good captain. Stead made a big mistake in not making Latham Captain even if the poor bugger can hardly get the ball off the square at the moment. I am pretty sure Latham is tactically better than Southee and runs will come.
      
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      March 4, 2024 12:55pm
- Im Right
  
  No Gravel road, the biggest shame is the NZ bowlers had against the #11 batsman (Hazelwood) facing 11 overs (67 balls) and not getting him out, Green is a batsman and has been an opener, Hazelwood is a bowler and a reason he his last man called in to bat but NZ bowlers could not get him out, thats the difference, it allowed Green to pile on 100 runs when he should not have had the opportunity.
  
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  March 4, 2024 5:21pm
Maggie Pie

And a bestie has just reminded me…..
that nasty ‘Granny Basher’ is due in court today for sentencing.
We’re still not allowed to name the horrible little pr*ick.

Watch this space.
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March 4, 2024 10:07am
- Biscuit
  
  You’ve annoyed one of the horrible little pr*ick’s pals, Maggie!
  
  What odds that he (I am guessing it IS a he) will front with a crowd of his pals all intent on stopping the media folk from getting a decent shot of his ugly visage…
  
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  March 4, 2024 2:28pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It’s crazy really Bikkie.
    Everyone knows who it is.
    Its unkempt greasy head has been all over ‘X’ since the day of the assault.
    
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    March 4, 2024 3:12pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8uwCaZwLDE
Fani Willis & Nathan Wade Now have to face the Georgia Bar Complaints from AAF.
“Breaking News Fani Willis & Nathan Wade Now have to face the Georgia Bar Complaints from AAF
🔥 Legal Drama Unfolds: DA Fani Willis Faces Ethics Complaints!
The saga surrounding Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis and her former paramour turned special prosecutor takes a dramatic turn as they face allegations of misconduct.
Watchdog group American Accountability Foundation (AAF) has referred Willis and her associate to the Georgia state bar, accusing them of violating professional conduct rules. The AAF alleges that special prosecutor Nathan Wade lied under oath about his relationship with Willis, while Willis herself is accused of misusing campaign funds for personal use. [Bad news for Fani and Nate is good news for MAGA patriots.]
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March 4, 2024 10:18am
- MCōs
  
  “misusing campaign funds for personal use”
  Never heard of that before
  
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  March 4, 2024 11:06am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls-0wTk2QUM
East Africa Community (EAC) releases a new currency for it’s member states.
Members of the East African Community (EAC) will soon begin transacting using a common currency valued higher than any other currency from member states.
The East African Government has officially announced the release of a common currency for members of the East African Community (EAC) called Sheafra, which is yet to become the official money for all East African countries. Here’s what we know so far.
Through their social media, the EAC announced that the community consisting of countries Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and South Sudan are to use the same currency, Sheafra.
The introduction of the new currency marks a historic step towards facilitating trade and economic cooperation among member states. [I’ll wait until they’ve got five Carrier Groups, 2500 nukes, and a $20 trillion economy. Still, there’s not a lot of news about Africa. So, this stufff is worth following.]
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March 4, 2024 10:18am
Jack5

Anyone watch Matt Doocey interviewed by ambush-interviewer Jack Tame on TVNZ?

Doocey, the Minister of Mental Health? That sounds like a national call to health action. Good luck to him.

Doocey’s calm interviewee technique impressed, though he let slip the word “colonisation.” Tame only a few times lapsed into smirk-ready, high-school “gotcha” mode.

Doocey seems keen to create scores, perhaps hundreds, of new clinical psychologists, and boost community groups that help folk with troubled minds. Isolated farmers was one group mentioned.

Did I miss any mention of our packed mental hospitals, and increasingly dire shortage of nurses and psychiatrists?

What if the Doocey approach creates a surge of new mental patients when already there’s no spare room in the psychiatric hospital system, and too few nurses and psychiatrists to treat additional sick folk?

Still, a Minister of Mental Health. A good start by the Coalition.
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March 4, 2024 10:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But has he figured out who swallowed up the $1.9 Billion Andrew Little gave to Mental Health?
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/in-depth-special-projects/story/2018918734/what-ever-happened-to-the-dollar2-billion-that-was-poured-into-mental-healthcare
  
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  March 4, 2024 11:31am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Hopefully they didn’t pay it to Waipareira trust.
    30% admin fees.
    It would be gone by now.
    
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    March 4, 2024 11:56am
- Paulus
  
  Will we now know the an analytical breakdown of mental patients, as the totals are growing exponentially, and nobody will give us any figures
  Why?
  
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  March 4, 2024 1:57pm
Matt Long

Zoophilia, the latest letter for the 10 million genders.
Presumably the Minor Attracted People and Animal Attracted People were born that way due to genetic heritage from their monkey ancestors?
https://x.com/Shane58637790/status/1764077456049492463?s=20
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March 4, 2024 10:31am
- David Garrett
  
  “Minor attracted people” aka paedophiles
  
  Many years ago I predicted that one day paedophilia would be seen as just another sexual orientation, and nothing to be ashamed of. It seems that day is nigh.
  
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  March 4, 2024 12:07pm
  - Inandout
    
    DG, as I recently watched this ‘It Crowd’ episode on Peter File, well I couldn’t help it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTaKDnSIb4c
    
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    March 4, 2024 12:55pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I seem to recall the Man-Boy Love Society was once a thing.
    
    Consent was less of an issue in those days.
    
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    March 4, 2024 1:50pm
  - cmm
    
    Of course it is just another sexual orientation.
    
    I put it to you that the urges a gay feels (and we are supposed to accept as normal) are no different than the urges a paedophile feels.
    
    We seem to accept that people are “born gay” and it would be unnatural for them to curb their urges, but surely paedos are “born paedo” and it is unnatural for them to curb their urges?
    
    Of course there is a difference in that children have diminished ability to provide consent. Therefore paedos must curb their lusts while gays can act on them.
    
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    March 4, 2024 3:13pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Yeah, it would be utter shit to be born a paedophile. I have a lot of respect and sympathy for all the made-by-genetics paedos who never act on the desire, and for the most part can probably never even find anyone to be honest about their troubles with.
      
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      March 4, 2024 3:40pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner was telling me Matt that there’s even a website dedicated to ‘Road Kill’. Nearly a million paid subscribers he reckoned.
  
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  March 4, 2024 12:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And if the animal isn’t interested in a sexual dalliance…
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/mans-pet-dog-bites-off-penis-and-eats-it-in-horrifying-ordeal/Q33LUHSFTJFMPKWFTHUNLR4LQQ/
  
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  March 4, 2024 6:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder which of them came off wurst?
    
    😛 😛 😛
    
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    March 4, 2024 7:48pm
Tauhei Notts

I look at the odds for the presidential race on Betfair.
Over the past six weeks Michelle Obama has firmed from a $23 roughy to a $13.50 contender. Biden has drifted from $2.94 to $3.70.
An American commentator said that in 2021 Michelle was the “in case of emergency break glass” person. The emergency is here. Break the glass and get her out on the hustings.
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March 4, 2024 11:05am
- imalwaysright
  
  If big mike is the answer then its already too late.
  
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  March 4, 2024 11:58am
- lifesgood
  
  I cannot for the life of me fathom why anybody would suggest Michelle Obama. Desperation can be the only answer. She is not interested, anyway.
  
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  March 4, 2024 12:12pm
  - Inandout
    
    life, she has more baggage than an Airport carousel. Plus she isn’t a politician’s rear end.
    
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    March 4, 2024 12:59pm
  - cmm
    
    ” She is not interested, anyway”
    
    Remember 2017? Cindy also said she wasn’t interested. She said she wanted to make babies and that being a new parent was incompatible with the effort required to be a party leader.
    
    Didn’t stop her though…
    
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    March 4, 2024 3:04pm
Jethrod

Don’t be surprised if there is a challenge to the Right Honorable Hipkins soon.
Twice last week he had a little tanty, including one with the lady assistant Speaker Maureen Pugh, in which, in my opinion, severely offered abuse of the position of the Speaker. It should have attracted departure from the house at the least.
If it had been Mr Brownlee, he would possibly have been named.
He has started the defence of being the leader of the opposition.
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March 4, 2024 11:34am
BeaB

We already have Government House for accommodation and receptions for overseas bigwigs.
We don’t need another venue.
The PM should be accommodated in a modern, warm, safe apartment with decent amenities and provision for security.
Premier House could then be handed over the Heritage NZ who treasure it so much.
I’d sell it.
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March 4, 2024 11:41am
BeaB

Did any media ever inquire into Jacinda’s freebie clothes?
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March 4, 2024 11:42am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Did you know she bought her clothes at ‘SaveMart’?
  
  FACT!
  
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  March 4, 2024 12:04pm
  - Ian
    
    If so, frugal with her own money, but not the country’s.
    
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    March 4, 2024 12:11pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Although it looks like since becoming ‘DAME Jacinda’ she no longer shops there.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018622103/prime-minister-no-longer-shops-at-savemart
      
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      March 4, 2024 12:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/analysis-treaty-of-waitangi-comic-for-high-school-students-has-been-quietly-brainwashing-away-since-2018-part-6/
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March 4, 2024 11:42am
Maggie Pie

My partner’s ex was Russian.
They still get on quite well actually.
I still see her around the traps. Although it’s amazing
how quickly some Eastern European women age.
Just saying.

https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1763930598027014230
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March 4, 2024 12:00pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Face like a dropped Pie?
  
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  March 4, 2024 12:27pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I wouldn’t go that far…. but she’s certainly put on a bit of beef.
    
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    March 4, 2024 1:10pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the pedestrians are mainly slim to normal size and mainly monocultural.
  
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  March 4, 2024 1:08pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP! …. and no gang patches, tats, or homeless deros.
    Compare it to Auckland’s Queen St…. know where I’d rather be shopping.
    
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    March 4, 2024 1:34pm
    - fernglas
      
      Our Russian neighbours are back in Moscow after staying away for the first year or so of the war, and they say it’s absolutely fine; the war is a side issue, the economy seems to be going well and Putin is still hugely popular.
      
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      March 4, 2024 3:10pm
      - mogg
        
        Tell that to the tens of thousands at Navalny’s funeral, there will probably 10 x times as many who didn’t dare to attend.
        
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        March 4, 2024 4:37pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Didn’t see any obese people in that video.
  
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  March 4, 2024 1:11pm
- sungsamning
  
  Plenty of well dressed people, and no obese ones.
  
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  March 4, 2024 4:29pm
- Jethrod
  
  Very brave for walking around during middle of winter.
  
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  March 4, 2024 5:20pm
cmm

Something I have not yet grasped in my almost 32 years of living here is the seemingly New Zealander trait of trying to find someone else to blame and to “hold accountable” as if that solves problems.

Two “young men” with learners licenses kill themselves on their way to work when driving both illegally and dangerously and, somehow, their employer is supposed to be to blame.

How about looking in the mirror and asking why you raised a child that flouts the law and drives when they don’t have a license? Of course not! Rather try to blame the employer.

I frequently drove without a license as a kid. But if I had crashed then that was on me or my parents in the vehicle.

People seem to want to flout the law and have freedoms, but then absolve themselves of the responsibilities and consequences.

In many ways this is similar to Pike River. Nobody knew the dangers of the mine better than the miners. Yet they all chose to go into the mine. When the shit hits the fan we’re supposed to think of them as blameless victims.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350200103/whanau-gutted-after-worksafe-declines-investigate-young-mens-deaths
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March 4, 2024 2:57pm
- Ghost
  
  Yeah. But it’s easier to blame others than accept personal responsibility. Take the cash a few years ago on timaru. Parents blame the driver. Sorry but who the fuck gets into a car boot. Your child decied to ride in the boot of a car. The other children decided to get in the car with a drunk driver. All were more than likely supporting his speeding.
  
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  March 4, 2024 3:05pm
- fernglas
  
  You may also have noticed this tendency with issues over the health of ethnic groups, reasons for criminal offending, failure to insure homes which are then struck by disaster etc. ACC has a lot to answer for. Personal responsibility was sacrificed at the altar of community well being. But this led to a loss of individual and corporate responsibility. Nobody could be held to be at fault for causing their own injury, so naturally they took to blaming others. Hence these reparations payments and swinging fines in Worksafe prosecutions. AGG took away the right to sue for personal injury and the obligation of personal responsibility, but now fails to compensate adequately in situations where lump sum compensation could have be available under personal injury law. So workplace and the justice system step in to find scapegoats. So it’s never the victim’s fault. People naturally want to blame someone for their misfortunes. In a society where those misfortunes are never their fault, they have to blame others.
  
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  March 4, 2024 3:22pm
Surely Knott

Why does the Press have a Press Council to deal with any ethical questions. But scientists don’t. So many bad studies and bad claims – some even appear unethical and yet their is no arbitrating body to stop people making false scientific claims. And when a false claim is made in a study it just gets shared from paper to paper to paper. There is no license to practice that gets taken away for people who make bad faith science claims.
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March 4, 2024 3:23pm
Maggie Pie

UPDATE……

Grannybasher discharged without conviction
Given permanent name suppression.
Ordered to make ’emotional harm payment’ of $1000 to victim.

WAFJ!!
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March 4, 2024 4:03pm
- muzled
  
  Surely that has to be appealed?
  
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  March 4, 2024 4:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Judge Glubb accepted a conviction would be out of proportion to the gravity
    of the offending…… and would result in difficulty for the young man to find employment.
    The dudge accepted the defendant was ‘genuinely remorseful’.
    
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    March 4, 2024 4:32pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  What’s the bet the $1000 will never be paid.
  
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  March 4, 2024 4:24pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Not a joke but certainly a clownshow.
  
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  March 4, 2024 4:29pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie…
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-posie-parker-protest-man-granted-discharge-without-conviction-after-punching-71-year-old-woman/RSV75S5IEBCHNNGYEH7V77BE2Q/
  
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  March 4, 2024 4:57pm
  - Grunter
    
    FFS….!!!😡
    No words……😡
    
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    March 4, 2024 6:06pm
Its only I

Washington DC says no to MAGA, even under threats from Trumps “Protective Echelon”.

Trump, the incumbent, went down by 30…Republicans are fighting back to save the party!
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March 4, 2024 4:27pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

Justice system declares ‘Open Season On Grannies’
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March 4, 2024 4:39pm
- Ghost
  
  I didn’t think much would come of it. Does anyone have the video still? My memory of the video was a woman walking along pulling the rope barrier up. The old girl goes over and pushes the woman, then the guy comes in and punches her.
  
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  March 4, 2024 5:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Appears the chap is neurodiverse…..and got caught up in the moment…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350200471/man-discharged-without-conviction-after-punching-71-year-old-posie-parker-event
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March 4, 2024 4:46pm
- Notsofast
  
  From the Herald
  
  “The victim turned towards the defendant who responded by punching the victim three times in the head area,” police noted.
  
  “In explanation, the defendant stated he believed the victim had assaulted a fellow protester and that the victim was going to assault him next.”
  
  He hit her back first!
  Three times!
  I guess the granny took 3 for the team.
  
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  March 4, 2024 4:54pm
- kowtow
  
  Shocking.
  
  Courts refusing to protect elderly women from thuggery based on……..some …….psychobabble.
  
  And it’s worse again as this was part of a political meeting violently disrupted , so freedom to assemble and share views in association ,our democratic birthright to do so in peace also in danger from this . The justice “system” is a disgrace.
  
  Will the Crown appeal?
  
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  March 4, 2024 4:56pm
- kowtow
  
  NZME radio news report just now says the thug punched the elderly woman “numerous” times.
  
  That’s not in the $1uffed report.
  
  Why ever not !
  
  here’s hoping they’re next down the shitter.
  
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  March 4, 2024 5:06pm
  - kevn
    
    kow… The Free Speech Union are going to appeal.
    
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    March 4, 2024 7:08pm
    - kowtow
      
      Don’t mean to be pedantic , but surely that’s a matter for the Crown?
      
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      March 4, 2024 7:38pm
- nathie
  
  So another crim-hugging judge.
  
  Victim scarred for life and will now forever have deal with physical and mental health side effects.
  
  Violent thug pulls the excuse card and gets away with it.
  
  Bet the radical trans activists are celebrating.
  
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  March 4, 2024 5:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe is fit for duty despite age.
Therefore he is also fit for trial right?
Oh wait, he is immune from prosecution.
Oh wait, Trump is not immune from prosecution when he was still POTUS 06,01,2021.

https://crystalclearnews.com/bidens-health-assessed-fit-for-duty-despite-age/?
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March 4, 2024 4:48pm
- RichardX
  
  Why did Ford need to pardon Nixon for crimes committed while Nixon was President or was it just Ford doing it for shits & giggles?
  
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  March 4, 2024 4:57pm
- fernglas
  
  The question of whether Biden has immunity from prosecution for acts committed while he is President will be decided when the Supreme Court decides whether Trump has immunity. That is how the US legal system works.
  
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  March 4, 2024 6:23pm
Ghost

Sometimes I open the news and get the feeling we are looking at a one term government

Today is one of those days

National will hike fuel taxes by 22 cents next term, regos increased $50, new pothole fund unveiled

It would be better to keep labours fuel tax increase than lumping people with a 22 cent increase the next term.
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March 4, 2024 5:06pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Tax relief for all they said. Here’s another 22 cents a litre, muppets.
  
  Joyce 2016: lets cut car regos by $50
  
  Brown 2024: lets increase car regos by $50
  
  Make up your minds, idiots.
  
  Wait for the GST announcement, everybody…
  
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  March 4, 2024 6:47pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hang on there Muttsy!
    Yer mate Grants’ 6 years of profligacy has to be paid for somehow!!
    
    SHEESH MAN.
    
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    March 4, 2024 6:58pm
    - Jack5
      
      Yep, Labour’s disastrous Finance Minister, Grant Robertson, is to be paid $629,000 a year running Otago University.
      
      What a rort! Makes the Prime Minister’s salary and allowances trivial.
      
      Yep, the Grant Robertson, who with his mate at the Reserve Bank printed tens of billions of dollars during Covid and caused our inflation.
      
      Robertson mightn’t be able to organise a piss-up in a brewery, but he’d sure ruin the beer.
      
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      March 4, 2024 10:01pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  No mention of increasing bus fares there.
  
  Maybe buses don’t cause potholes.
  
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  March 4, 2024 7:49pm
  - MCōs
    
    Not on the roads that are the responsibility of NZTA
    Suburban streets are the lookout of the local council
    Out in the countryside logging trucks and flooding murder roads
    
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    March 4, 2024 8:41pm
Maggie Pie

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE…..

https://strawpoll.com/jacindamustgo

(as i don’t wish to be accussed of trying to sway the vote I will not divulge mine)
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March 4, 2024 5:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hard decision…
  
  *she’s so ineffective, it might be good to keep her there
  * but, do we need to see/hear of her ever again?
  
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  March 4, 2024 5:34pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    FYI, currently 95.45% vote: NO
    
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    March 4, 2024 5:49pm
    - Jethrod
      
      And please, PLEASE , PLEASE report that you voted with the 95%????
      
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      March 4, 2024 6:59pm
- Ghost
  
  Need a third option. Due to ptsd from the last 6 years I no longer know who this woman is…..
  
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  March 4, 2024 5:37pm
Muttonbird

I’m starting to like Jenna Lynch:

ANALYSIS: The political judgment test over whether to take a taxpayer subsidy was one Christopher Luxon had already stumbled on in Opposition.

His advisors had to sit him down and tell him it was inappropriate for him to order himself a Tesla on the taxpayer dime while he was ripping into the Government for giving Clean Car Discounts to the wealthy. He should have learned the lesson then and didn’t.

Instead, he initially decided to take $52,000 a year in a taxpayer-funded accommodation allowance while living in his own Wellington apartment because he doesn’t believe Premier House is liveable. He then backtracked after public uproar and decided to pay back what he had already received.

The environment he has created is that every single cent of taxpayer cash needs to be managed. His Government is looking at cancelling classroom builds, cutting back food in schools, job cuts in the public service, and on Monday, hiking up costs for Kiwi families to drive their cars to work.

In that environment, he still thought it appropriate to trim some off the top for himself and still doesn’t have a good explanation for it.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/jenna-lynch-analysis-christopher-luxon-has-no-good-explanation-for-taking-taxpayer-allowance-while-enforcing-fiscal-discipline.html
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March 4, 2024 6:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So you’d be a fan of having targeted free lunches in schools then?
  
  I’m sure you wouldn’t want the children of the undeserving wealthy to get a taxpayer-provided lunch, would you?
  
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  March 4, 2024 7:19pm
  - MCōs
    
    I’m pretty sure that’s how it works now
    It seems it goes to 40% of the kids at the lower end of the wealth spectrum
    
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    March 4, 2024 8:21pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Campion College in Gizzy doesn’t get it, but GGHS, GBHS and Lytton HS do get it.
      
      Do you think Gizzy’s well-off kids only attend the Catholic High school?
      
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      March 4, 2024 8:58pm
- nathie
  
  So you like a bully reporter who is deliberately manipulating her story to make out that Luxon is wanting to spend more on himself ($32m to upgrade Premier House), totally ignoring that it was former Labour PM Ardern who commissioned the report in the first place, and then went on to say former PM Ardern lived there but didn’t state that Ardern also highlighted the inadequacies of the building (hence her commissioning the report)? And then Lynch went on to link other unrelated issues all back to Luxon and ignored the reasons why this has come about because Labour overspent the budget by tens of billions and misused this funding for the likes of school lunches? And that petrol taxes were ok under Labour?
  
  Well I’m sure Lynch will be more than chuffed to have you, Muttonbird, as a supporter! Clearly you are both birds of the same feather, perhaps.
  
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  March 4, 2024 9:15pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    You’re going to get a bit a a shock after you put your teeth in tomorrow morning and find the Nats are increasing petrol tax by 22 cents.
    
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    March 4, 2024 9:39pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Is that like your promise that GST is going up to 17.5%?
      You are a very poor quality troll
      Do try to do better
      You’re just embarrassing yourself with how inept you are
      LOL
      
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      March 4, 2024 11:30pm
      - Ghost
        
        It’s what national announced today, next term 22cent petrol tax rise, car rego going up $50
        
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        March 4, 2024 11:47pm
    - nathie
      
      Muttonbird – petrol taxes to increase in 2027 (not this morning).
      
      Do keep up!
      
      Mind you not your fault if you get your disinformation from Jenna Lynch I suppose!
      
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      March 5, 2024 10:04am
Gravelroad

What is wrong with Simon Dallow TV 1 News reader?
He has just given us the benefit of his spin again by saying that “Sorry to say, there’s more rain on the way”.
Does he not realise that several areas are in drought conditions?
I guess he is either ignorant or just doesn’t care.
Why can’t he keep his opinions to himself?
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March 4, 2024 6:58pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  He looks like a ‘whitebait’. Wonder if he’s ill 🙁
  
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  March 4, 2024 7:01pm
- kowtow
  
  Nothing says “Out of touch with the heartland” more than a sentence like that.
  
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  March 4, 2024 7:36pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s obviously a banal throwaway line, but sure enough someone’s going to be outraged
  
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  March 4, 2024 8:27pm
Ghost

Someone need to sit down with whoever is advising Luxon or if no one is, get him a decent advisor. This would have been a perfect opportunity to show New Zealanders the state of the building so people know what he is talking about.

The Prime Minister is refusing to allow cameras in to see the state of Premier House, the official prime ministerial residence he’s elected not to live in claiming it’s not up to scratch.

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March 4, 2024 7:01pm
- MCōs
  
  Mind find it’s no worse than plenty of other rental accommodation around Wellington
  
  It’s an interesting thing the accommodation allowance
  Why should they get it at all?
  Basically these MPs are expats in Wellington who will return whence they came when they leave parliament
  Expats I knew wore the cost themselves
  
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  March 4, 2024 8:10pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I’m sure you must be trolling because nobody would be so stupid as to not understand that if you had a job that required you to be in two places – he’s an electorate MP for Botany as well as in Wellington being the Prime Minister – you would be recompensed for your accommodation costs in the second place.
    
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    March 4, 2024 8:34pm
Maggie Pie

Wonder if others are getting it?
Every Monday night this year i’m receiving an email from NW with a header from Clubcard showing i’ve got another…. ‘10.00 New World Dollars’.
Balance is 70 bucks already!
Don’t know if it becos of how muchi spend or the managwer really likes me 😛
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March 4, 2024 7:27pm
Ghost

Doesn’t really sound like the kind of person we want in NZ

A grandfather who failed to declare an indecent assault conviction when he came to New Zealand will be allowed to stay here – for the sake of his grandchildren.

The 70-year-old retiree has successfully appealed a deportation liability notice because according to the New Zealand Immigration and Protection Tribunal, there are exceptional humanitarian circumstances in allowing him to stay, even though it found he had concealed his criminal past.

The man, who is not named, faced deportation for failing to declare an indecent assault conviction in 1976 which came to light years later when he was serving time in prison in the UK on a subsequent similar matter.

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March 4, 2024 9:26pm
Jack5

Israel is developing drones to pick fruit.

Could this be an avenue for the NZ firms (and overseas firms operating in NZ) to look at?

https://jewishbusinessnews.com/2020/11/01/israeli-startup-tevel-aerobotics-uses-drones-to-pick-fruit/
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March 4, 2024 9:45pm
- Ghost
  
  This seems faster
  
  https://www.goodfruit.com/robotic-picking-machines-first-apple-harvest-underway/
  
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