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Warren

“We rely on the fourth estate”- Deputy Labour Leader Carmel Sepuloni.
Deputy Prime Minister Carmel Sepuloni and Social Development Minister a person I have always disliked in politics, as honesty has not been her strong point and frankly I could never understand why she got the portfolio’s after what happened with her mother.
So after reading what she has had to say about Newshub, Carmel Sepuloni told First Up the probably closure was sad and disappointing for those losing their jobs, and Democracy.
“In this day and age when we’re bombarded with information which is not true it is really important that we have got trusted sources of information and now we are not going to have that through Newshub”. She said while it was not always comfortable when Journalists asked questions they were “doing their job”.
“Respect for the work they did is fundamental, like I said for our Democracy”.
So what I would like answered is if you and Labour were so rigid in your rights on Democracy why did you hide Three Waters Legislation from the opposition and political minded people that thought your Labour Government needed to front up and explain policies like Three Waters that were fronted by Maori for maori without giving New Zealander’s a say or know the rest of your agenda to divide our Country.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018928081/members-of-the-media-respond-to-newshub-closure
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March 3, 2024 8:00am
- pdm
  
  Carmel Sepuloni one of the perpetrators of untruths from the Beehive podium of dishonesty says the demise of TV3 will be bad for Democracy.
  
  Give me a break – the current Labour leadership has no ethics or honesty.
  
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  March 3, 2024 9:43am
  - Positan
    
    Go just a little bit further – Labour leadership, past and present, has never tried to observe ethics or honesty – let alone the spirit of Democracy.
    
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    March 3, 2024 10:44am
  - Nobby2
    
    Democracy has got nothing to do with the closing of tv3. It is purely a business decision by the owners of tv3 who have stated the downward trend of advertising revenue is why they are closing it. So the left wing bias of tv3 and their so called journalists caused advertisers to move their advertising dollar elsewhere, so the journalists have shit in their own nest. Who would have thought that would happen !!
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:49am
    - Ghost
      
      Tv3 are not closing. They are shutting down their news service.
      
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      March 3, 2024 11:53am
      - Nobby2
        
        OK. In the first sentence change tv3 to tv3’s news service. The rest of my post still stands.
        
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        March 3, 2024 12:29pm
      - Ghost
        
        It’s not that simple. It’s more that people are moving away from traditional tv and the advertisers are going with them. It’s happening in print as well
        
        It’s not newshub that has lost the money it is both their channels, people are no longer consumer tv how they used to. It’s got nothing to do with the left or the right, it’s the way we are turning off from traditional tv.
        
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        March 3, 2024 4:43pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Who ever decided that Newshub was a “trusted” source of information?
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:08am
  - Notsofast
    
    No media entity that was corrupted by the government slush fund requiring intensive and rapid maorification of institutions including main stream media, could be trusted. They can protest as much as they like, but they have been busted.
    
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    March 3, 2024 10:54am
  - Paulus
    
    Newshub did !
    Due to their attitude in trying to re elect Labour they lost a large amount of Advertising – that’s why the are closing –
    They are trying up to the last 100 days of their lives to destroy the Elected Coalition and particularly the Prime Minister by any means they have.
    Will raise a glass when they have gone.
    
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    March 3, 2024 1:56pm
  - Ehlana
    
    It’s what they identify as John.
    
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    March 3, 2024 2:36pm
- EverlastingFire
  
  The only way you could argue Newshub’s death as “bad for democracy” is that we’ll probably see less interviews with politicians. Problem is, Newshub has a left wing bias where we saw soft questioning on leftist/Maori politicians and nonsensical questions for politicians on the right.
  To your point, if democracy was so important to them where was the opposition to the PIJF and Maori separatism?
  Newshub need only look at itself for it’s failing ratings and decline in public trust.
  
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  March 3, 2024 3:13pm
- Jake Dee
  
  If they are an essential part of the democratic process then they would be under democratic control, the will of the people.
  If they are a market commodity then they are under the control of market forces, the price the consumer is willing to pay.
  They have failed on both fronts; people didn’t watch them enough and weren’t willing to pay enough.
  
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  March 3, 2024 4:13pm
Chuck Bird

Did others notice Brian Tamaki and his followers support Israel in opposition to the Jew hating mob in Christchurch? Tamaki has his faults but I appluade him for his pro Israel stance.

Just like at the Posey Parker event none of the protesters would take him on although he was greatly outnumbered. All Minto did was shout shame. I am sure Tamiki was not ashamed.
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March 3, 2024 8:07am
- Opie
  
  Tova: While in opposition Lee was also one of the first MPs, if not the first, to start wrongly insinuating that journalists were being bribed by the government through NZ on Air Funding.
  
  Winston: It is a preposterous state of self-denial when they cannot see that the contract they signed is a recipe for bias and corruption.
  
  It has created a media environment where certain leftwing political narratives and agendas have seeped into much of what the media presents to the public – where any opposing views are shutdown, cancelled and labelled as “far right” or “fringe”.
  
  Tova: The closure of Newshub is not fair.
  
  And if the government doesn’t take notice – and take action – Newshub won’t be the last.
  
  Great! Who’s next please? Tova then Jessica?
  
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  March 3, 2024 8:16am
  - pdm
    
    Opie – Jessica saw the writing on the wall and `jumped ship’ early.
    
    Maybe Jessica is more than a bit brighter than Tova!!!!
    
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    March 3, 2024 9:45am
    - R
      
      J…a bit brighter than Tova!!!!
      that would not be very difficult !!
      
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      March 3, 2024 10:06am
      - pdm
        
        R – I said more than a bit brighter.
        
        That is the test.
        
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        March 3, 2024 10:53am
  - David Garrett
    
    Opie: You will perhaps recall recently O’Brien saying she ” didn’t want to imagine New Zealand without Newshub”
    
    That being the case, I sent her this email:
    
    Given the above, may I respectfully suggest that you relocate as far away from New Zealand as possible? The bogs of Ireland surely beckon.
    
    You will not be missed by my generation who expected – without having to think about the distinction – to read and hear NEWS and not some reporter’s thinly disguised opinion masquerading as such.
    
    Bon Voyage!
    
    No reply of course, but then I didn’t expect one. Has she gone yet, does anyone know??
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:45am
    - Opie
      
      That’s good. She is probably requesting a safe space away from your mean emails.
      
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      March 3, 2024 3:17pm
- kowtow
  
  Was Minto heckling Tamaki at Auckland Domain yesterday ?
  
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  March 3, 2024 8:33am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    In ChCh
    
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    March 3, 2024 9:39am
- Im Right
  
  Meh, John ( the screaming skull) Minto is just a useful idiot for the Hamas terrorists and is in the huff because this Govt, quite rightly, declared Hamas a terrorist organisation.
  Minto will do anything for publicity , and anyone threatening him/pepper spraying etc only feeds into his need for exposure in the media.
  The best thing anyone can do with Minto is ignore him, that upsets him the most.
  His MO is to write open letters to the Government of the day, demand something the current minister could never sanction, then bemoan in MSM/Social media the fact that his letter is either ignored or demands refused! publicity… publicity… publicity.
  
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  March 3, 2024 8:41am
- igm
  
  Brian must have great self control, having seen scumball Campbell once basically assault him with a microphone, trying to question him whilst getting into a car. Most chaps would have whacked the litle germ.
  
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  March 3, 2024 8:51am
- MCōs
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I’m surprised Apostle Brian Tamaki, Bishop of Wiri, is so pro Israel considering it’s very liberal abortion and LGBTQ laws and outlook on life
  
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  March 3, 2024 8:58am
  - kowtow
    
    I’m surpried the Greens are so pro Hamas given its LGBTQ laws and ……..
    
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    March 3, 2024 9:02am
    - igm
      
      Hope Golriz gets a remand to Arohata.
      She would surely be taught the errors of the Koran.
      
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      March 3, 2024 1:51pm
  - Inandout
    
    MC, I am not sure what ‘liberal abortion’ means, is it like liberal attitude to being blackmailed into getting vaccinated? I know what ‘my body, my choice’ means, but does that meaning cease when it suits? I guess Tamaki could enter Gaza and feel safe on the roof of a building, unlike LGBs.
    
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    March 3, 2024 9:30am
    - MCōs
      
      Google it like I did
      Tamaki’s views on abortion and gay rights are more in line with Hamas than what’s prevalent in Israel
      Then again he’ll adjust his principles if it’s to his short term advantage
      It’s the same with Winston Peters. His views on peripheral issues has always been very fluid
      
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      March 3, 2024 11:02am
      - Che Guava
        
        “Tamaki’s views on abortion and gay rights are more in line with Hamas than what’s prevalent in Israel.”
        
        That’s because, as I have argued extensively, Christian values are more aligned with Islamic values than Judaic values, despite the propaganda that tells us the Jews and Christians are brothers.
        
        To the extent that the West has lost its Christian values over the last 100 or so years, it is Jewish values (or at least, values that don’t conflict with Judaism or secular Jewish interests) that have filled the void, and because the two sets of values are largely incompatible, society now and society 100 years ago are vastly different.
        
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        March 3, 2024 11:24am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Like a dog with a bone Guava. Just can’t let it go. I would be very surprised if you were not raised in a ME country because the only other extremely “Jews-obsessed” people with similar outlooks to yours that I’ve ever met are from there. There are some NZ and Aus lefties I know who have bought into this crap, but they have a very low resolution take on it all.
        
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        March 4, 2024 3:15pm
  - jkt
    
    Your friend’s enemy is your enemy?
    Your enemy’s enemy is your friend when it suits you?
    
    One’s value judgments says everything about one and nothing much about your enemy or your friends.
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:31am
- Che Guava
  
  Why is it that, according to the Zionist framing of events, pro-Palestinian protestors are “Jew-haters” while pro-Israel protestors are just pro-Israel and not “Muslim-haters”?
  
  Apparently, so we are told, the dichotomy is “pro-Israel” or “Jew-hater” (and never anything nuanced in between the two poles) which is no surprise given the tendency towards ethnic narcissism and seeing themselves as the point around which the world revolves.
  
  I suppose they see a risk of legitimising their opponents too much if they were motivated by pro-X sentiment, rather than being consumed by the irrational scourge of humanity denoted Y-hate.
  
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  March 3, 2024 11:10am
- AitchW
  
  I suspect Tamaki’s supporters support whatever he supports. To do otherwise risks excommunication or whatever the name for being banished in Destiny might be. Imagine not being allowed on their church bike rides, and being forbidden to wear the church patch. (Which, despite having every appearance of being a gang patch, isn’t. According to Tamaki…)
  
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  March 3, 2024 3:08pm
- sungsamning
  
  Yes indeed , I was at the Christchurch one.
  
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  March 3, 2024 5:02pm
Over Taxed Worker

Premier House has gas-fired heating. Why didn’t Jacinda put in a heat pump when she lived there. I guess she personally thinks gas is OK. One rule for you another for me.
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March 3, 2024 8:17am
- Tricati
  
  She spent plenty on it.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/upgrade-costs-for-premier-house-official-wellington-residence-of-pm-jacinda-ardern-triple-to-3-million/EC6MTJCR2MZN5PUPB56EJTABZA/
  
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  March 3, 2024 9:47am
  - nathie
    
    Interesting article – it also highlights Hipkins the Hypocrite again.
    
    In 2011 he criticised National for spending just under $300,000 on renovations but defended Labour/Ardern budgeting $1m which blew out to $3m on renovations in 2018.
    
    Once a hypocrite, always a hypocrite.
    
    Fast forward to today, Hipkins, with his popularity plummeting, is resorting to smearing Luxon with red herrings such as “all PM’s live there etc”.
    
    Kiwi’s don’t want negative politicians, they want positivity and ideas. But Hipkins keeps blasting his feet off by doing the same (negativity) thing over and over. He has no new ideas (and has, no idea).
    
    Maybe Winston is right and Hipkins is very much on borrowed time …
    
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    March 3, 2024 10:18am
    - AitchW
      
      I’d agree that he’s on borrowed time except that his job really is a poisoned chalice. Who would want to take on that job knowing that there is a pretty good chance that they’ll lose the next election. Add to that the lack of an obvious successor and I think he’s reasonably secure till after the next election.
      
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      March 3, 2024 11:24am
      - nathie
        
        Heh, whilst Ginny shoots her mouth off and with that her chances of becoming leader … Labour’s “down to earth bloke” from the Wairarapa Kieran McAnulty quietly waits!
        
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        March 3, 2024 12:17pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Why would any Labour MP want the Leader’s job?
        
        Well, the money, for starters. More than most of them will ever earn. Then there’s a bit of publicity, getting invited to events, lording it over your Party rivals, no real responsibility, no huge expectations (no one expects you to win the next election) – who wouldn’t want a gig like that?
        
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        March 3, 2024 1:34pm
      - Paulus
        
        Ginny wants it desperately !
        And will do anything to get there – she may well in fact
        
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        March 3, 2024 2:02pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    “To be fair”, part of that cost will probably be on installing secret surveillance gear to eavesdrop on the incoming PM.
    
    If I was PM, I wouldn’t be staying in the PM’s house until it had been completely sanitised.
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:18am
- Ghost
  
  I’ve never understood this strange obsession with heat pumps. They’re useless in a power cut in winter. That is what put the breaks on people getting rid of their fires down here, one big snow dump took the power out and those with heat pumps had no way to heat or cook.
  
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  March 3, 2024 9:51am
  - Matt Long
    
    There’s your advantage, heatpumps and electric cookers centralise power and cut independence.
    Comrades, comrades, comrades…
    Heat pumps have another advantage, the clever folks who put plastic buckets of hot ashes full of coals on your farmhouse deck have one less way to burn a house down.
    
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    March 3, 2024 10:03am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Because they’re very efficient, convenient, and cheap to run. Brilliant things. But you’re correct, and that’s why we have backup in the form of a log fire and wetback.
    
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    March 3, 2024 10:05am
    - kowtow
      
      Installation / initial cost is relatively expensive .
      They have a relatively short life.
      The cost of power keeps rising.
      Our electricity relies on imported indonesian coal.
      They’re unsightly on the front of a house.
      
      Can be damned unsocial and nosey [noisey] to neighbours …..
      
      I too fail to see the obsession with the damed things.
      
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      March 3, 2024 12:22pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        The Mitsubishi unit that heats (and cools) our living area was less than $3000 to buy and install. The outdoor unit runs damn near silently and sits unobtrusively in the shrubbery along the back wall of the house. I’m not entirely disputing what you say, but compared to the cost of consenting and installing the fireplace (we weren’t far off $10K by the time we lit the first match), and the ongoing cost of fuel for that (not to mention the physical labour involved in obtaining and stacking the firewood, then feeding it into the fire), the heatpump has worked out very well. I’m a fan. Not only that but we can go out on a cold day or evening and turn the heatpump on remotely to have the house all snug when we get home. On the very worst winter nights though, the fire does offer better heat and ambience. I like them both.
        
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        March 3, 2024 1:18pm
      - kowtow
        
        Mod . Thanks for fixing that.
        
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        March 3, 2024 1:24pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        John L – firewood keeps you warm three times. First when you cut it down, next when split & stack it, finally when you burn it.
        
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        March 3, 2024 1:36pm
      - Colville
        
        JL.
        Needs to be said when comparing the Mitsi highwall to a log fire is fair is the unit is likely 5kW flatout and the log fire 3 to 4 times that output.
        The unit will do a room, the fire will heat the house.
        
        I have both and will always have both.
        
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        March 3, 2024 3:53pm
      - artemisia
        
        Heat pump filters need regular cleaning and the unit needs servicing every couple of years.
        
        Woodburners and open fireplaces also, removing ash, cleaning the glass if any, flues cleaned. More work than heat pumps. But lots of homes already have them, if allowed to use them, and sometimes free or cheap firewood.
        
        And some of us have the squirrel gene.
        
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        March 3, 2024 4:05pm
  - Dougal10
    
    I can run mine on a generator , it becomes a petrol powered heat pump .
    
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    March 3, 2024 10:19am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Run the exhaust near the intake side of the heat pump unit. It will be more efficient and won’t freeze up in a frost.
      
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      March 3, 2024 10:43am
    - JackRabbit
      
      I can run mine on a generator , it becomes a petrol powered heat pump .
      
      With built in 4:1 energy conversion efficiency.
      
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      March 3, 2024 11:20am
      - Dougal10
        
        When the power is out with snow , energy efficiency not a high priority but I do like the exhaust idea.
        
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        March 3, 2024 1:20pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    All forms of electric heat pack it in when the power dies – not just heat pumps.
    
    If you pull 1 kwH of electricity out of the wall and put it into an electric heater, you get 1 kwH of heat in the room. If you put it into a heat pump you get 2-4 kwH of heat into the room.
    
    It’s a bit more complex than that because the 2-4 number gets lower as it gets colder outside. But it’s still more than 1.
    
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    March 3, 2024 10:28am
    - Colville
      
      CoP is always higher on heating so snow wont drop that number.
      
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      March 3, 2024 3:58pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        So we won’t have the aircon on when it’s snowing?
        
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        March 3, 2024 5:02pm
  - Taieri
    
    They’re useless in a power cut in winter.
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    Not just in power cuts.
    Their efficiency drops significantly with lower outside temperatures as there’s much less heat to extract. Another problem is the humidity of the air outside – the evaporator tends to freeze up on a wet, cold day.
    Still, they are great for convenience and comfort. I hardly ever use the log burner these days.
    
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    March 3, 2024 10:58am
  - Colville
    
    As we found in the cyclone the gas hot water is useless in a powercut too as there is no ignitor.
    
    A small gene is all it takes tho… I have the smallest 4 stroke honda.
    
    That and Starlink internet and we are reasonably good to go.
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:11am
  - Jake Dee
    
    A modern metropolitan center can’t be run on wood fueled stoves. If you know and can use the technology, then you have at least one more arrow in your quiver or one more card in your hand to play.
    It’s also perfectly possible to use heat pump technology in a decentralized off the grid situation.
    
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    March 3, 2024 5:15pm
- peterwn
  
  If the heating system was installed prior to Rogernomics then it would have had to be coal or gas fired. At that time government buildings were not permitted to have electric heating unless specially sanctioned. That is why prefab classrooms had pot belly stoves whereas electric heating would have been more concenient and safer.
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:10pm
Tasman devil

The anti gang patch law is working very well in Western Australia.

The bullies have to get their darling wives to apply make up to their gang tatoos before they can leave their homes.

Ironic really as gang members are soft cocks who are feeble, generally short under weight mincing poofs who have to be in a gang to get noticed.

We know it will work here as woke liberal tossers like the Labour Party are deriding it.
Remember they got everything else wrong for six years.
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March 3, 2024 8:18am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  “gang members are soft cocks who are feeble, generally short under weight mincing poofs”
  
  Really? I dare you to say that in the main stream of Flaxmere or Opotiki.
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:06am
- Paulus
  
  Have watched last night the Queensland Police Special Gangs Unit – the are small and very tough.
  Here it would not be allowed as the Gangs are precious, and the Judges would not be allowed to prescribe such penalties as not fair under the TOW.
  
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  March 3, 2024 2:06pm
Chuck Bird

Family First

Collusion amongst media, who would have guessed?

https://www.facebook.com/FamilyFirstNZ/videos/421153897084529
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March 3, 2024 8:34am
Cassandra

From a 15 year police officer: “The new generation of cops are too scared to interact with gang members as it is now. The new cops don’t go out pro-actively policing the gangs because they’re just too scary. I shit you not. They don’t stop them, and if they do stop them they don’t do anything with them. They’re just too scared to deal with them”.
“It’s not their fault. It’s just the way policing has gone. We’ve been so watered down in the past six years they don’t don’t know how to police the way we used to. We’ve become this ‘police by consent, don’t be confrontational, give everyone a cuddle’ type of organisation. The hard truth is that the people we deal with, gangs especially, don’t respond to that and don’t respect it. They’re laughing at it”. Labour’s legacy.
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March 3, 2024 8:38am
- imalwaysright
  
  They tell them at police college that their voice is their best weapon dealing with gangs.
  
  Wrong.
  
  Pistol
  Taser
  Pepper spray
  Kick in the nuts
  Throat punch
  
  Preferably in that order.
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:25am
  - Clown
    
    You forgot the most import a point: 9 grams of lead to the head
    
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    March 3, 2024 1:23pm
- David Garrett
  
  Cass: I have a couple of policemen friends…both say exactly the same.
  
  Oh and Coster: He is widely known among the rank and file as “the lantern”: Very bright, but needs to be carried
  
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  March 3, 2024 11:51am
- kowtow
  
  So many people including Coster get this “police by consent” thing totally confused and misunderstood .
  
  To my mind it shows how thick they are .
  
  Policing by consent is short form for the Peel Principles which are nothing to do with the wokery that Plod here are engaging in.
  
  Yes the police get their authority( ultimately) from the consent of the people , but not from the criminals , law breakers or activists.
  
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  March 3, 2024 1:21pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yes Kow,
    The consent is from the public, not the crims.
    
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    March 3, 2024 3:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Prince Harry and Megan Markle are in for a rude awakening if Donald Trump wins the Presidency. No more free ride.
If they want to be Americans they have to do it legally.

https://conservativeundergroundnews.com/meghan-markle-was-seeing-red-after-donald-trump-gave-prince-harry-this-ultimatum/?
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March 3, 2024 8:41am
- SoloView
  
  @ Steve Otto
  
  Your article refers to Prince Harry.
  
  Megan Markle is a U.S. citizen.
  https://www.newsweek.com/prince-harry-us-citizenship-titles-1871454
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah I should have left Megan Markle’s name out of my first sentence.
    Anyway: “Prince Harry couldn’t have legally entered the U.S. due to his admitted drug use.”
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:27am
    - Scott
      
      Steve – you post a lot. A lot. You could be more careful with your posting. Just a thought.
      
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      March 3, 2024 3:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes teacher. Shall I go stand in the corner, or do I get detention?
        
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        March 4, 2024 7:57am
- stewmar
  
  If they want to be Americans they have to do it legally.
  
  I think you’ll find that Megan is already an American.
  
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  March 3, 2024 11:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah I worded it wrong.
    Anyway: “Prince Harry couldn’t have legally entered the U.S. due to his admitted drug use.”
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:28am
    - MCōs
      
      Batak Obama is an admitted drug user
      Not only was he born in Kenya, but he was president for eight years and according to you married to a bloke with two kids
      
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      March 3, 2024 2:03pm
      - Paulus
        
        I believe we once heard that one of Obama’s daughters got away with a drug offence because…….
        
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        March 3, 2024 2:08pm
      - Matt Long
        
        I had no idea the “Birther” conspiracy had spread so far.
        
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        March 3, 2024 4:26pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        At last you admit Mike Obama is real.
        
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        March 4, 2024 7:59am
- sungsamning
  
  President Trump annoys Ginger, and Whinger. Works for me.
  
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  March 3, 2024 5:18pm
cas

The things you see at the supermarket at 8 am on a grey Sunday morning.

A guy with Mongrel Mob tats on the back of both upper legs and on his calf, Not sure how Mark will get rid of them other than amputation. At least he was buying decent household necessities unlike the rather larger man who was checking out with his fried chicken and chips. Very tempting to say something I must say but I refrained.
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March 3, 2024 8:43am
- Colville
  
  The mobster needs to be stopped and searched every time he is in public. He will get the point after a while. Or maybe he wont? But he wont be carrying weapons or drugs ever or he will be in prison.
  
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  March 3, 2024 11:13am
  - David Garrett
    
    Colville: Spot on…the old fashioned “turn over” whenever they are seen…a couple of years of that and the bastards won’t be strutting around flouting the law as they do now.
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:53am
  - Paulus
    
    That is what they are now doing in parts of Australia.
    
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    March 3, 2024 2:09pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  A guy with Mongrel Mob tats on the back of both upper legs and on his calf, Not sure how Mark will get rid of them other than amputation
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  What’s your point, Cas?
  
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  March 3, 2024 1:39pm
- Ghost
  
  There are these things called pants, you can wear them and they cover up your legs and tattoos.
  
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  March 3, 2024 1:47pm
Biscuit

Change of season and all that – can you believe water fell out of the sky here in Upper Hutt on Saturday night? – but, boy, there’ve been some strange sporting happenings reported this weekend:

• New Zealand’s top batsman colliding with a teammate mid-pitch at the Basin Reserve and pulling off (for zero runs, too) one of them ‘Run Out’ thingies
• Liverpool taking until the 99th minute of play to score the only goal of their EPL game at Nottingham Forest
and, you’ll laugh here,
• The Crusaders, seven-times Super Rugby champions on end, conspriring to lose to the Waratahs – the Horrahtahs – in Melbourne…

I‘m gonna hide here in the den until the airwaves return to some sort of normality but if one of you could let me know the real results (Williamson 150 Not Out, Pool by 3-1 and, of course, the Chitcha mob strolling in by a dozen and a bit), that’d be much appreciated!
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March 3, 2024 8:50am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Things get even weirder in your neck of the woods today Biscuit. This afternoon a group of 1980s rock acts converge on your town. Does anyone remember Rikki Morris, the Mockers and Nik Kershaw?
  
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  March 3, 2024 9:09am
  - MCōs
    
    They were pretty big in their day and now they’re playing in a tent in Upper Hutt
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:30am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Darwiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!
  
  It was a Divockian moment in the Darwinian revolution at the City Ground…. Loved it
  
  Get in!
  
  YNWA Biscuit
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:41pm
Ruahine

I wonder if Chris Hipkins and Charlotte Bellis are on speaking terms yet.
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March 3, 2024 8:57am
- Colville
  
  In a years time Charlotte (and the rest of New Zealand) will be saying…Chris who??
  
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  March 3, 2024 11:15am
  - MCōs
    
    There’s a lot of people that strut and fret their hour in parliament and then are heard no more.
    Others don’t know when to stop strutting & fretting when their time is up
    
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    March 3, 2024 4:35pm
kowtow

Te Media Paahti keeping up the pressure re Premier House .

All good but , Luxon takes a perk he’s entitled to and te media really go to town on all fronts .

yet in the past 6 years a number of very senior members of Labour were involved in shall we call it, questionable, contract awards for tax payer funds and yet those stories were broken on alternative media and had to languish for some time prior tohitting the “mainstream” where they were quickly then brushed under the carpet.
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March 3, 2024 9:01am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I wasn’t able to tune into kb yesterday so apologise if this was mentioned yesterday. Newshub on Friday 6pm broadcast was like a woman scorned going at mr Luxon and his apartment arrangement that appears totally legit. Are they going to look into the Mahuta/tamihere/ardern-gayford/helen Clark (she had many properties too) affairs to judge what is right and wrong ??? Nup, crickets…. If the media are so upset about cost of living yardy yardy and what politicians can claim for, then stop all perks once they leave their job. As an aside, I think mr luxon needs a new advisor
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:37am
  - Colville
    
    I wonder if there is a sweepstake in the Prime Ministers office running on the date that Stuff will go bankrupt?
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:17am
    - sungsamning
      
      That wouldn’t surprise me. I wonder if they’ll even be around in June when Fake News Hub closes.
      
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      March 3, 2024 5:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How others see NZ’s attempt to integrate Matauranga Maori into our Science and Maths curricula.

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2024/02/27/a-debate-should-matauranga-maori-indigenous-ways-of-knowing-be-taught-as-science-in-new-zealand-schools/

It’s worth reading through the comments, also.
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March 3, 2024 9:03am
- Swifty
  
  Just shameful.
  
  And I have the strong belief that we are doing our kids absolutely no favours with this carry on.
  
  The thoughts of the two Maori women commenters were refreshing to read. Example 196,542 of the fact that there is no such thing as one Maori worldview.
  
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  March 3, 2024 9:36am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  My sister’s apt take on this is “the Emperor’s New Clothes”. Few academics or teachers are deluded enough to actually believe maatauranga is “co-equal” with so-called “Western” science. In most cases they acquiesce because they (correctly) believe dissent will endanger their careers.
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:15am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Any teacher who doesn’t stand against this nonsense is not a teacher
    
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    March 3, 2024 1:42pm
    - Dave
      
      Easy to say on the internet; perhaps not so easy when you are supporting a family and your job depends on acquiescing in this nonsense.
      
      Imposed MM and forced lip service to bicultural wonderfulness will breed hypocrisy, cynicism and resentment, as well as damaging science education.
      
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      March 3, 2024 8:56pm
- Jack5
  
  Taylor is often promoted as a technologist.
  
  He’s a former TV presenter, a man whose main education was a law degree.
  
  I wouldn’t look to Taylor for a history of world technology, from the Middle East to China to the Industrial Revolution in England, and then to various indigenous cultures.
  
  Taylor saw the possibilities of computer technology in enhancing video and TV. From this he built a successful enterprise by harnessing the technology talents of others. A successful technology entrepreneur.
  
  Full marks to him on that. We could do with more like him. However, Taylor differs from a technology entrepreneur like Elon Musk, who has a B.Sc. in physics, and dropped out of his Ph.D. physics course to start his first company, Zip2, with his brother and a friend. Its product seems to have been something like an on-line Yellow Pages with maps.
  
  Old Polynesians were fine navigators as population growth edged them out of islands to colonise new homes in the wide Pacific.
  
  Maori lost those skills – forgot them – many centuries ago.
  
  Suggesting Maori knowledge, passed down orally, is technologically valuable is a bit like saying English-descended New Zealanders have an inherent flair for archery because of Robin Hood or Henry V’s bowmen at Agincourt.
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:28am
  - Taieri
    
    Elon Musk, who has a B.Sc. in physics, and dropped out of his Ph.D. physics course to start his first company,
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    Musk dropped out of PhD course after 2 days.
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:01am
    - Notsofast
      
      A BSc in physics is hard work. Jack5 made a great post, he essentially showed that Taylor is not a scientist, so unqualified to lobby for alternative teaching methods. New Zealand is anti science. The judiciary is very anti science. The good news is there seem to be enough scientists to get projects done.
      
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      March 3, 2024 11:31am
      - Taieri
        
        A BSc in physics is hard work.
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        I happen to know that. My progeny has double maths/physics hons BSc and PhD in mathematics.
        
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        March 3, 2024 12:10pm
- JackRabbit
  
  “It was that indigenous knowledge that brought our Polynesian voyages, starting 3500 years out of Asia across the greatest expanse of open water on the planet. Now you do not cross the greatest stead of ocean water on the planet without science, technology, engineering and math,” Sir Ian told AM co-host Melissa Chan-Green.
  
  That fact IS true. That fact is true of the great world / pacific ocean explorers. Who were NOT the Maoris that claim it. That honour belongs to the Maori predecessors – the Chinese, Egyptians, Peruvians, and later Celts, etc who had been coming to NZ for thousands of years, and had met and integrated with the Aborigines and Pygmies that had lived here for tens of thousands of years, possible hundreds of thousands of years.
  
  99% of whom were raped, killed by, enslaved by, beheaded by, the cannibalistic predecessors of the current elite Maori terrorists.
  
  It is a grave mistake, and one made by Sir Ian, that to assume that anything requiring technology or science is the automatic creation of those that claim ownership or possession. Especially when they are the 9th/17th/31st in a long line of settlers that have been arriving here since Adam was a cowboy.
  
  How does Sir Ian account for Chinese cave paintings in South Canterbury that are 3500 years old? Did the Maoris speak Chines back then?
  
  Or pieces of interplanetary craft discovered in Africa and on other continents.
  
  Or Pyramids and burial chambers with internal precision cut walls? Or blocks of precision granite weighing 200 tonnes that cannot be lifted even with modern technology?
  
  Or the Kaimanawa Wall that predates the arrival of Maori? Did Maori come here complete with Zero Point power modules and precision lasers, and a time machine and go back in time and create said Kaimanawa Wall, and then return and throw all of their technology into the Kermadec Trench.
  
  Sir Ian T, has made the classic mistake of assuming that that the two ants sitting on a golf ball in a paddock actually built and own said golf ball.
  
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  March 3, 2024 11:48am
  - Swifty
    
    Oh dear.
    
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    March 3, 2024 12:32pm
  - Paulus
    
    DNA has been proven to say that Maori came from a tribe still in South West Taiwan. so sort of Chinese but not mainland China who are from Han.
    Winston has often said it too.
    
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    March 3, 2024 2:14pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    JackRabbit: a few questions for you.
    
    1. If other peoples settled NZ before the Polynesian ancestors of Maaori, why did they not cause the sort of mass extinctions that followed Polynesian settlement in the late 13th century? The fossil records show NZ lost nearly half of its bird species within a couple of hundred years of Polynesian arrival, including nearly all the large flightless species. Why didn’t this happen earlier? Because whenever people reach a new land, they (we) make a big mess, wiping out most of the larger animals. It was a similar story in Europe, the Americas, Australia, Madagascar, and finally NZ.
    
    2. You speak of Egyptians Celts reaching NZ before Maaori. What would have prompted the ancient Celts (notorious landlubbers) to develop a seafaring culture, and sail to the other side of the world? And similarly, what would have possessed the ancient Egyptians to up and sail to the other side of the world? The Egyptians sailed up the Nile and on the Red Sea, but were not known as ocean-going sailors.
    
    3. What are these “Chinese cave paintings in South Canterbury that are 3500 years old?” You’re not thinking of the Opihi rock art, which has been dated to about 1400 AD, and is distinctively Polynesian in style?
    
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    March 3, 2024 2:16pm
- JamesP
  
  Q1a) 0 metres as proven by the facts that Maui is a myth and the sun doesn’t reside in a hole in the ground.
  
  Thus the answers for Q1b to f become trivial.
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:10pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ironically, a key reason for Maori welcoming the coming of the Pakeha was their thirst for Western learning.
  
  If I was a Maori, I’d be demanding my Treaty rights!
  
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  March 3, 2024 1:44pm
Michael Sommerville

Headline in the Telegraph “The contagion of idleness is rampant. It is evil in need of a cure. – The government seems to have created a right to be idle at the state’s expense, allowing the young to opt out of the workforce.”

It looks like the UK has the same problem we have.
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March 3, 2024 9:55am
- MCōs
  
  What problem is that?
  Is the article about the idle rich or the idle poor or the idle in general?
  I suppose the cartoon of the execution of an idle ‘prentice is a bit of a giveaway
  It’s doubtful if the Telegraph is ever going to condemn the rich for being idle.
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:03pm
surfing

If one wants instant affirmation about government departments being useless, check out the metservice website. In particular, their rain radar.. .which plays 10 low resolution frames over 10 seconds.

Almost every time I check this radar, I get the spinning circle on some frames because the frame hasn’t loaded. It is irritating and shouldn’t happen, but I also acknowledge a first world problem .

Some online content providers will stream 4k video at 60 frames per second …. yet Metservice can’t be bothered fixing their rain radar — why when there is no accountability? And, when there is stormy weather, sometimes the rain radar can’t load at all due to congestion.
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March 3, 2024 9:56am
- Ghost
  
  Just tried it, had no problems with it.
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:00am
- cas
  
  Same thing for us. I emailed them months ago. They acknowledged there was a problem and said they were going to fix it. Not.
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

If you have an idle half an hour or so, you might like to figure out why our youngsters are struggling with maths.

This is a Level one NCEA maths assessment activity
(ie. year 11, old 5th form)

https://ncea.education.govt.nz/mathematics-and-statistics/mathematics-and-statistics/1/2/activity-a

(apart from ignoring the fact that 5 folks are separately pulling ropes on one noose, and making other assumptions that the daytime length = day length, and the pit isn’t circular, and the sun has a much smaller volume than Earth, etc,etc….), you might come up with some answers.

…..
I’ve no problem with the maths being tested… I do think the activity is very unclear and far from testing maths understanding from the outset, it requires students to suspend their scientific knowledge as they “construct” some implausible set-ups to derive a right-angle triangle.
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March 3, 2024 10:01am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Do they have an English version?
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:17am
- Taieri
  
  Hard to believe this is for real. But it is; a product of a very perverted mind…
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:31am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I read right through it and then thought it was a very clever satirical piss take.
    Then I thought the people who wrote that crap are for real!
    They make binomial theorem and differential calculus look easy.
    
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    March 3, 2024 11:32am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They make binomial theorem and differential calculus look easy.
      
      And I expect need to be explicitly taught by an experienced maths teacher to be easily understood by school pupils.
      
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      March 3, 2024 11:39am
- JackRabbit
  
  You have two options for exams.
  
  Option 1:
  
  Question 1: (for 25%)
  
  In addition to calculating the length and area of flax required, please provide diagrams and specs of said technology to launch and navigate flax into position. Upon successful provision of said diagrams and specs, NASA will pay you $27 Trillion dollars,
  
  Question 2: (for 35%)
  
  [1] Due to the oils in flax, it is easily burnt at temperatures over 150°C.
  [2] The temperature of the surface of the sun is 5500°C, and about 15,000,000°C at its core.
  
  Please provide diagrams and specs for the heat shielding used to protect said flax during the lassoing of the sun.
  
  Don’t forget that the sun is not totally solid, so provide calculations about the actual distance from the surface where the coefficient of friction of the flax and the sum will be equal.
  
  Again NASA will pay you 127Trillion for this information.
  
  Question 3: (40%)
  
  Hypothesize about how Maui actions in altering the suns motion has caused global warming, and therefore how much money do Maori, as Maui ancestors need to pay for global warning.
  
  Option 2:
  
  For 100% marks:
  Simply write “Bullshit” on a 45° angle across the exam papers.
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:07pm
- Notsofast
  
  “This pūrākau tells how Māui and his brothers worked together to slow down Tama-nui-te-rā, the sun, in order to get more daylight. ”
  
  Already they are being deceived into the stone age earth centered system. This is child abuse for chrissakes. It is unforgivable and should be cancelled by Erica Stanford.
  No chance, the cancer is inoperable.
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:29pm
  - Ian
    
    I remember this Maori mythology fable – for that is what it is – from my primary school days, and I’m in my mid-70’s. Would have been in some sort of social studies setting, certainly not maths – which is what the thread here seems to be alluding to. Though saying, it was a neat story…
    
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    March 3, 2024 1:23pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Write to Stanford about this – I certainly will.
    
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    March 3, 2024 7:12pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I saw this post earlier today.
  It has been troubling me, so here are my extra thoughts on the matter.
  Notsofast reckons it is a form of child abuse to set such an examination topic in that way.
  Unfortunately he is 100% correct.
  Ian had heard a Maori mythological fable like this about 65 or so years ago. My wife can recite Aesop mythological fables in Aesop’s native Greek. She read this mathematical problem and exclaimed “panagia mou”. A Greek expression of astonishment.
  But it helps explain why the staff numbers at the Ministry of Education have exploded. How many dong beaters would you need to write this shiite.
  
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  March 3, 2024 6:05pm
R

J…a bit brighter than Tova!!!!
that would not be very difficult !!
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March 3, 2024 10:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats planning their own Jan 6th is Trump wins.

https://thepoliticalmovementofhealth.com/realloadednews/democrats-planning-their-own-january-6-if-trump-wins/?
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March 3, 2024 10:20am
Chuck Bird

They would be tossed off a tall building in Gaza if there are any left.

The group let off flares just metres from Minns — who was the first NSW premier to march — as they unfurled a banner promoting queer solidarity with Palestinians.

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/2024/03/03/mardi-gras-parade-protestors?ahe=bc484c0e441634acab6c8a3268c7a33f2947034d0d2b8805610530ab51abea2d&acid=2739932&utm_campaign=Sunday%20Best%20-%2020240303&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Adestra&lr_hash=ddf960ff1e29a536428d8fafcd071853
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March 3, 2024 10:26am
- Cassandra
  
  It’s bizarre, turkeys voting to bring Christmas forward to July. Someone (Tova? Jack?) should ask Chloe about it. But neither will, insisting meanwhile that they are really journalists. Just like Dr Goebels was.
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:40am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Your mention of Chloe reminded me that in Britain ADHD diagnoses have risen about 900% since the early 2000’s.
    Apparently a diagnosis gets you access to medical grade prescription speed. Ritolin.
    
    I wonder if the same system operates here.
    Might explain its popularity .
    
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    March 3, 2024 10:58am
- Che Guava
  
  Chuck, how do you reconcile your obviously heartfelt and oft-expressed concern for the gays of Gaza, with your indifference at best and your enthusiastic support at worst for the death by bombing of the women and children of Gaza by Israel?
  
  You pretend to care about ill-treated Muslims when it helps to paint Israel’s foes in a bad light, yet you obviously couldn’t care less about the ill-treatment of Muslims on a massive when it helps Israel achieve its aims.
  
  I interpret your stance as, not any genuine sympathy for Muslim gays, but rather your very cynically using their (sporadic, it must be said) treatment as a justification for Israel’s horrific attitude to Muslim women and children.
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:52am
imalwaysright

British politicians are shitting themselves because George Galloway has won the Rochdale bye election because of Islamic support.

They were okay with Muslim /Islamists blowing up concerts and causing terror throughout Britain, but now they themselves are under threat the game is different.

https://youtu.be/n0tti2iY82s?si=ev3tMNn4Tg395OgB
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March 3, 2024 10:36am
- MCōs
  
  Second part of that comment is plain laughable, beyond stupid
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:21pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Mcos,
    
    Perhaps not laughable and beyond stupid .
    
    Despicable may be the word you are looking for .
    
    British government should have hammered the Muslims after the Arena bombing.
    
    Imagine if a group of British living in a Muslim country blew a couple of dozen of their kids to bits.
    I’m sure they wouldn’t be singing ” Don’t look back in anger”
    
    The Brits would be dead and Britain would be under attack.
    
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    March 3, 2024 2:13pm
    - MCōs
      
      “British government should have hammered the Muslims after the Arena bombing.”
      What do you mean by hammered?
      
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      March 3, 2024 3:04pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        My reply was censored
        
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        March 3, 2024 5:04pm
trout

Feeding the Taniwha is getting very very expensive. Re Mt. Messenger bypass.
‘Ngāti Tama exchanged 20 hectares of Treaty settlement land required for the project for a 120-hectare coastal property, a cultural compensation payment of about $7.7m and an environmental programme including pest management in perpetuity on 3650 hectares of its rohe costing $750,000 annually’
20 hectares is bugger all and the guy down the road (white farmer) cannot get a decent settlement for some 100 hectares (half his farm).
Simeon Brown has made clear that he thinks the $750,000 payment pa (in perpetuity!) is an inappropriate use of road funds and rightly so. But iwi get the money and the bag; big bucks, nice seafront land and future income. Ford Ranger dealers in New Plymouth will be thrilled.
The ‘learnings’ (horrible word) from this debacle is to sort out all consents and land acquisition issues before you commence work; NZTA have been held over a barrell and the project costs have ballooned.
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March 3, 2024 10:42am
- David Garrett
  
  trout: All excellent points…but I wonder why they are spending mega-bucks on the Mt Messenger by-pass at all – and I go down to the ‘Naki regularly.
  
  These days you hardly notice the climb up the north side, and while the south side is a bit more windy and longer, large trucks seem to manage it without slowing down much. A hell of a lot of money for fuck all advantage if you ask me.
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:03pm
thirteenstars

Just watching the build-up to today’s play in the test match. The commentary team are lined up on the field and Mark Richardson opines that Kiwis will accept a loss but not a capitulation and it must be a fighting loss. An Aussie guest commentator, Brad Haddin, says: I’ll tell you what I won’t accept, and that’s a loss.

All Richardson could do was smile like an idiot, which he is. But that sums up the difference between the two countries.

In reality NZ has a great chance of winning today. We need about 250 and we’re only three down. The Aussies will be bowling in blustery, changeable winds. Tomorrow will likely be rained off. I couldn’t believe Australia elected to bat again instead of enforcing the follow-on.
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March 3, 2024 10:46am
- I remember when
  
  thirteenstars:
  For a number of years Richardson was often the player who attempted to prevent a loss.
  
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  March 3, 2024 11:23am
- I remember when
  
  Perhaps a better indication of the differences in our thinking was the ‘two bouncers an over’ to make the batter worry about the other four balls, move them from thinking about getting runs to defending.
  
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  March 3, 2024 11:27am
- MCōs
  
  “In reality NZ has a great chance of winning today.”
  No they don’t
  Nobody’s ever scored anything like 360 to win in NZ
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:28pm
Tasman devil

The best weapon against the gangs is KFC.
It gives them fatal heart attacks at a young age.
Thank Jesus it’s “finger lick’n good.”

My cardiologist mate said it’s the biggest killer of these reptiles.

Do they have outlets in Opotoki and Flaxmere for these fat dwarves lacking self confidence, except in numbers?

If not we need a give a little page to help out this great cause.
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March 3, 2024 11:04am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What Trump said 5 years ago is true:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvOP__i6XFI
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March 3, 2024 11:08am
I remember when

Are we missing something when discussing the NCEA/Education system.
I have read David Hill’s Listener article ‘A class of their own’ (24 Feb-1 March) which alludes to a problem area the education system is not confronting.
The education system has been built by the
elite/academics.
It is maintained to suit their needs and expectations, not the other fifty percent of the population.
These are people who are good with their hands, drive machinery, farm, builders, plumbers, electricians, fishermen, contractor, those who love the great outdoors.
The class David details is the type that many feel are often largely abandoned to their own resources, eat their lunch, waiting to reach school leaving age.
Is the problem that the education system fails them, at least as much as they fail in the system?
Is this the area the NCEA hoped to advantage but failed, because academics no more understand them than they understand academics?
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March 3, 2024 11:16am
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  Maybe in your last sentence you could replace ‘academics’ with ‘politicians’
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:36pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUjoJ3_2Q0k
The Real Reason why Ukraine isn’t using its American Missiles.
Ever wondered why, Ukraine despite having big missiles in its arsenal doesn’t use it on Russian cities? In the ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia, Ukrainians are experiencing significant pummeling. There’s a prevailing belief, both within Ukraine and among certain Western circles, that it is both legally and morally justifiable for Ukraine to respond against Russia. This sentiment is bolstered by statements from prominent figures, such as NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who have voiced support for Ukraine taking action. However, it’s important to distinguish between what is legally and morally permissible and what is considered prudent or wise.
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March 3, 2024 11:38am
- imalwaysright
  
  Ukraine is the playing field and zelensky is the wests mascot.
  He decides absolutely nothing.
  
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  March 3, 2024 2:22pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Agreed.
    
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    March 3, 2024 5:57pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLAKcprc8NU
Kim Jong-Un’s New Strategy.
NK integrating itself into the world economy would do it well. It makes sense why giving up nuclear weapons is something to abstain from; look at Ukraine. Regardless, such an aggressive and rebellious nation having such power is scary, to say the least.
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March 3, 2024 11:39am
Swifty

I see Michael Wood has learned nothing from his political chicanery and ignominious exit – and still indulges in the casual deceit of New Zealanders with this retweet:

https://x.com/Catheri80393839/status/1759311484893757880?s=20

Some quick responses to the figures trumpeted:

1. Job growth since Covid are recovered jobs not new jobs. And even if they were new jobs, which they aren’t, he won’t be able to show how Labour created them – but still he tries to claim credit for them.

2. How would our GDP growth be without debt-fuelled govt spending? Or flooding the place with net migration?

3. Comparing ourselves to ruinously-indebted countries as though our debt levels are just peachy is classic gaslighting.

No integrity. He just openly misleads his fellow countryfolk.

“Oh, let’s just choose the figures which make us look less bad and hope kiwis are too stupid to understand them.”
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March 3, 2024 11:45am
- John Loveridge
  
  Sorry if I missed something Swifty, but what is the connection between that Twitter account and Michael Wood?
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:51pm
  - Swifty
    
    Michael Wood retweeted it – but I do see that in my posting of the link his retweeting of the original tweet did not show up.
    
    You can see his retweet on his Twitter page, just a few posts down:
    
    https://twitter.com/michaelwoodnz
    
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    March 3, 2024 2:06pm
Maggie Pie

A friend from Mass has sent thru this link, originaly published by a ‘first-responder’ from Israel, following the horrific Hamas atrocity on October 7.

As Talia says, “anybody who still believes Israel should stop the relentless bombing of Gaza until Hamas is wiped-off-the-face-of-the-earth, needs to think again.”

https://christianpost.com/news/hamas-burned-jewish-baby-in-an-oven-says-israeli-first-responder.html

Hard to disagree 🙁
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March 3, 2024 12:05pm
- Cassandra
  
  IDF needs to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties such as the flour convoy ones but basically you’re right. They can’t stop until it’s done. Destroy Hamas, reform PA, establish two workable states, settle with Saudis. Peace to a degree at last. Iran is a separate issue.
  
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  March 3, 2024 12:29pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    Have the Israelis any choice but to see the total destruction of Hamas right through to the very end? Any backing off now would mean everything goes back to square one, and within a few years there’ll be further rounds of atrocity and reprisal, rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
    
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    March 3, 2024 12:56pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      You see a lot of tweets saying…. “Palestinian kids = tomorrows Hamas”
      
      And interesting to hear the Hamas-Health-Authority reporting 4 hostages were killed yesterday during Israeli bombardment.
      
      Hmmm.
      
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      March 3, 2024 1:43pm
    - MCōs
      
      The history of the world is littered with examples of the self proclaimed righteous who have tried and failed to bludgeon the great satan out of existence
      
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      March 3, 2024 2:26pm
      - MCōs
        
        Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process they do not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
        
        Friedrich Nietzsche
        
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        March 3, 2024 2:51pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder does anyone else see the irony in that Israel is killing Palestinians with its bombardment of Gaza, yet there’s reports this morning that America is dropping meals on the survivors.
    
    It all seems quite bazaar.
    
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    March 3, 2024 1:23pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      M.p
      
      No point bombing dead people.
      
      Its just not the same.
      
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      March 3, 2024 3:06pm
  - Paulus
    
    Hamas will not release the Hostages because it is doubtful that any are still alive, and they would have to prove it.
    
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    March 3, 2024 2:19pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I don’t think the Israeli government is overly concerned whether the hostages are alive or dead.
      As long as we think they are alive.
      
      Nettanyahus Cats.
      
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      March 3, 2024 2:36pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Seems to be a quantum of disbelief.
        
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        March 3, 2024 4:29pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Sorry to burst your bubble Maggie.
  But this report has been debunked by many sources.
  
  and misinformation spreading on social media is alive and well.
  
  One example
  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/10/31/post-falsely-claims-newspaper-reported-no-babies-beheaded-hamas-israel-fact-check/71394076007/
  
  Recently read a TIME article about the Houtis.
  Yep seems MSM are helping in the misinformation department there. Seems Houtis are NOT a proxy for Iran. Albeit they do receive SOME support.
  
  https://time.com/6554861/yemen-houthi-rebels-history-cause-israel-hamas-war/
  
  Houtis sort of like the USA???
  
  Helping out their mates…
  ie USA helping Israel
  Ie Houtis helping out Gaza/Hamas.
  
  As a liberal, humanist I struggle to understand the unbridled bloodlust (in the West including NZ) in support of random killing of tens of thousands of civilians.
  
  Sorry but the, “we did it in Dresden” excuse doesnt cut the Mustard with me. Along with the terrorists including Hamas, massacre was appalling etc etc and therefore is justification for the current Netanyahu vendetta….
  
  The conflict in the middle east is a shit show and will not end well for either side.
  
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  March 3, 2024 2:25pm
John Loveridge

Random thought for the day: in less than a month at polytech under a crusty old pre-trade tutor, my son has mastered the maths that continually defeated him to the point of periodic despair during seven years of intermediate/secondary school. What does that tell you?
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March 3, 2024 12:47pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Explicit teaching of maths concepts and skills trumps woolly notions of imparting maths by exposing children to “problem-solving/ guesstimating ” their way through activity after activity.
  
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  March 3, 2024 1:53pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    I would have put it more bluntly than that, Maggy. But, yes.
    
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    March 3, 2024 2:36pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      John,
      I agree with you and mw. The problem we now have is that we have stupid people entering the workforce .
      The most obvious indication of stupid people being paid to do what they are incapable of is food safety.
      Watch out for an increase in food product recalls.
      
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      March 3, 2024 4:21pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Happy to oblige, then:
      
      Shit maths teachers employing shit methodologies get shit results.
      
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      March 3, 2024 4:24pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        M.W
        I don’t understand why all teachers can’t learn to teach mathematics.
        They have a lot of holidays, can they not educate themselves in mathematics ?
        Seems to be a close the door excuse for laziness.
        
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        March 3, 2024 4:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @imalwaysright
        
        I’m always shocked to read reports on NZ Primary School teachers who seem to leave parts of the maths curriculum untaught, and leave kids in the class to “teach” others in their group.
        
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        March 3, 2024 6:40pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        This is a big topic for me, having spent nearly 20 years trying to combat the failings of the education system where my children are concerned. My son coming home ecstatic because he had suddenly “got” the maths rammed home to me how bloody useless his maths teachers were. They seriously retarded a bright young man. That he squeaked through at all often came down to endless evenings at the dining room table trying to coach him along, but teenagers don’t often learn well from their fathers. Despite my best efforts he fell behind and became frustrated. Yet just one month with a decent old-school (pale stale male) tutor drilling him and he’s away.
        
        My youngest daughter has just started high school and the whole curriculum nowadays seems to be far less about decent basics than it is about indoctrination in all things Maori.
        
        I despair, but I can’t afford private education and I’m not sure that it’s a lot better anyway, after reading a prospectus or three last year.
        
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        March 3, 2024 7:33pm
vand

Cassandra- Arabs have always wanted a “right to return” to Israel -so don’t want peace as we may think of it
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March 3, 2024 1:07pm
The Boss

Has the MSM reported this? I did not see anything.

https://nzdsos.com/2024/03/02/breaking-barriers-deputy-prime-minister-winston-peters-accepts-nzdsos-letter-about-covid-injections/
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March 3, 2024 1:47pm
- mawm
  
  Winston is surprising me beyond measure. At least we have one government minister who is prepared to question the vaccine and not reject it out of hand.
  
  Things are changing in the UK as well as MP’s call on the Government to publish the data on excess deaths by vaccination status.
  
  https://dailysceptic.org/2024/03/02/another-parliamentary-debate-on-excess-deaths-but-still-no-straight-answers/
  
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  March 3, 2024 7:11pm
gorse

$30 million to fix Premier house?? Where did they get that figure from? I would demolish and build a new one. You get a very good house for $30 million.
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March 3, 2024 1:59pm
- imalwaysright
  
  You would get a very nice house for $3 million.
  Don’t forget we already own the land.
  
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  March 3, 2024 2:28pm
- KH
  
  Just sell the dump. Unattractive, unnecessary, and under used. Luxon in his apartment is better on all counts.
  
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  March 3, 2024 10:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I was sure I posted this and then went out for a while.
Must have made a mistake.
Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/analysis-treaty-of-waitangi-comic-for-high-school-students-has-been-quietly-brainwashing-away-since-2018-part-5/?
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March 3, 2024 2:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Student:
  “The last thing they want is to be thought of as dopey and out of touch, so the pressure to ‘come on board’ with the message of this comic increases with the age of the school student.”
  What Julian says is so true, and the more they get brainwashed the more radical they become. This is where the “which Treaty?” nonsense starts.
  Also the “European” man referred to looks mor like a 1/2048 milky bar to me.
  
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  March 3, 2024 2:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hugh Perrett has a comment on this post.
  Extract: “This comic MUST BE PUBLICLY TOTALLY and LOUDLY DISCREDITED .”
  The rest is there in today’s post, scroll down.
  
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  March 3, 2024 2:37pm
- sungsamning
  
  Definitely never Hilary Hayley. Or any other RINO.
  
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  March 3, 2024 6:08pm
Maggie Pie

When white colonisation goes bad….

‘Liberia is a country in West Africa founded by free people of color from the USA. The emigration of African Americans, both freeborn and recently emancipated, was funded and organized by the American Colonization Society’

– Wikipedia

https://twitter.com/Tomhennessey69/status/1764067704833540151
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March 3, 2024 2:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Never, never Nikki.

https://www.tiktok.com/@the.united.spot/video/7341819392717622559?_r=1&_t=8kLbuvIKedi
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March 3, 2024 2:59pm
than

Newtown Festival, Wellington.
Even more woke than last year. There was someone up on a stand badmouthing the current government and another stage a bit further down with someone screaming “F**k Seymour, Luxon and Winston” at the end of their song.
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March 3, 2024 3:10pm
- greybeard
  
  Which proves that Luxon, Seymour and Peters are doing exactly the right things !
  
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  March 3, 2024 3:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The left attacking the meat industry, just like the dopey Greens here attacking the farmers for cow farts.
First she came for Trump, now she attacks the World’s biggest beef producer.
This Leticia Jamed FITH Sheila has no idea how many jobs she will kill.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/unmasking-the-false-promises-of-the-meat-industry-03-02-2024/?
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March 3, 2024 3:16pm
- MCōs
  
  The left aren’t attacking the meat industry
  JBS Foods is being sued because they are allegedly breaking the law.
  BTW
  Cow farting is not an issue. That was disinformation perpetuated by farmers in 2003 that led to Shane Ardern driving an ancient tractor up the steps of parliament. The methane is produced from belching, but farting sounded a bit more edgy for the times
  https://apnews.com/article/jbs-lawsuit-climate-meat-new-york-attorney-general-f39c7f030fa318af38120257aa3680e5
  I haven’t heard anyone say ‘Sheila’ with reference to women for a long time.
  
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  March 3, 2024 5:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tell Russel Norman about cow farts.
    
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    March 4, 2024 8:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will more Black Americans vote for Donald Trump in 2024 than in 2020?
99% say yes in a poll.

https://conservativeundergroundnews.com/this-rapper-got-the-surprise-of-his-life-after-he-claimed-black-americans-should-oppose-donald-trump-for-one-mystifying-reason/?
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March 3, 2024 3:28pm
than

It’s getting worse each year. Makes me want to leave this city.
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March 3, 2024 4:10pm
- MCōs
  
  25° again today
  
  When will the heatwave end!
  
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  March 3, 2024 5:27pm
Swifty

Nine hyenas preying on the isolated or weak.

Nine.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350199460/service-station-employee-threatened-hammer-wielding-man-auckland-robbery

Please make nine beds ready Mr Mitchell.
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March 3, 2024 4:26pm
- Swifty
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-caltex-robbery-chilling-footage-shows-western-springs-worker-fleeing-from-hammer-wielding-robbers/PTK24OYQD5H3PMWK4BPM5SYHPQ/
  
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  March 3, 2024 5:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Please make nine mm bullets ready Mr Mitchell.
  
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  March 3, 2024 5:51pm
Chuck Bird

I just renovated my toilet and bathroom. I have added up everything but I think it will come to under $15k. I will next put in a kitchen that should be less than $20k.

Let us just look at the PM’s apartment. How much would it cost to make it very livable? I would say less than $100k.

I wonder how many on this blog have double glazing. I bet not many. I have a heat pump and I keep warm in winter.

Luxon could have said to a builder what he wanted to be done and claimed rent until the apartment was made very livable.
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March 3, 2024 5:11pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Double glazing has been pretty standard for 20-30 years, and there has been a lot of retro-fitting. That is probably more than half the houses in NZ.
  
  But it is not economic in much of NZ – the annual few hundred $ saved in heating costs saved will never pay back the up front cost. Especially if you have a heat pump.
  
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  March 3, 2024 5:17pm
- Swifty
  
  Chuck you’re way off.
  
  Way, way, way off.
  
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  March 3, 2024 5:33pm
- Ghost
  
  We are currently having our bathroom renovated, it is costing between $40,000 to $50,000
  
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  March 3, 2024 5:56pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I take it you’re not in Auckland then, Chucky?
  Our Stove alone was just a tad under 30k.
  
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  March 3, 2024 6:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hmmmm…
    Can you make a decent pav and a batch of scones with it?
    
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    March 3, 2024 6:21pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Silly thing is it’s got 5 seperate ovens.
      Most of the time I only use the plate-warmer one.
      Looks fab tho…. cream & blavk.
      
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      March 3, 2024 7:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        hahaha..
        
        Reminds me of the kitchen of one of my new mates…
        
        She’s got large marble slabs inset into a couple of her kitchen benches which caused me to drip with envy.
        
        A bunch of us were going over to her place for our monthly ~~gossip~~ literary session and I’d hinted that we might be in the hands of a master patissier…. but rather to my surprise, we got the usual cheese/cracker/dip /nibbles fare…
        
        Later, I asked her if she did much pastry work and when she looked at me blankly, I decided to change the subject.
        
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        March 3, 2024 8:33pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Did you see that travel program today from St Ives?
        Showed them making Butterscoth Fudge on a big inset white marlbel slab.
        
        Got me thinking 😀
        
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        March 3, 2024 8:46pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No, I didn’t see it.
        I’m not a candy cook, but I can see a niche opening for Remuera Fudge, Classy Candy, Posh Pavs and St Mary’s Bay Marzipan.
        
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        March 3, 2024 9:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Old coal range makes the best scones.
      
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      March 4, 2024 8:06am
- MCōs
  
  I suspect there’s a bit more work involved with that old heap
  It’s had all sorts of alterations over the years to accommodate different tenants
  I see it was given a spruce up in 1990, but apparently none of the PMs want to be seen spending a load of public money on the place so it just gets patched up; not like #10
  
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  March 3, 2024 6:55pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    No 10 was built by a shonky property developer called Downing in the 18th Century!!!
    
    It is now a command bunker for the PM. IRA tried to Mortar it and failed. I wouldn’t like to guess what rabbit warren is hidden under Whitehall.
    
    RY Britannia was on the books as a “Hospital Ship”. She didn’t go to the Falklands, why may you ask?? She was designed as a Floating HQ for HM and the PM and with all the communications gadgets would have hidden out in the Lochs on the W Coast of Scotland.
    
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    March 3, 2024 7:23pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350199460/service-station-employee-threatened-hammer-wielding-man-auckland-robbery
My solution: shoot on sight.
Why ruin hundreds of other peoples’ lives looking after these ferals after they have been caught/processed/ sentenced/ etc when the answer is so obvious.
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March 3, 2024 7:31pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  We’re now reaping the whirlwind after 6 years of Ardern and her governments complete neglect of schools and the education system.
  All those 12years old are now 18/19yo criminals and total misfits in society.
  Never foeget Chippy appointed that trans queer Shaneel Lal as his….. ‘Youth Advisor’.
  
  BE GAY. DO CRIME. (The Green Member-for-Tijuana)
  
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  March 3, 2024 7:52pm
  - Swifty
    
    In my house we’re now referring to the MP for Tijuana as Slowpoke Rodriguez – the slowest mouse in all of Mexico.
    
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    March 3, 2024 9:10pm
Swifty

The wonderful Dr Anna Loutfi speaking sense on trans stuff:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDVAkfGAGo
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