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gorse

Willie Jackson says Nash has no class. I am reminded of the old saying “ takes one to know one”
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February 28, 2024 8:02am
- Cassandra
  
  John Key says most voters do t worry about race. Well, perhaps Key doesn’t but I can tell him my community does and so does Willie Jackson’s. We both have quite different perspectives. He thinks I’m a racist because I don’t like racism; I think he’s an idiot because, among a whole heap of reasons, he thinks I’m a racist because I don’t like racism. I also think that John Key should get out more. Come talk to my community (Tauranga).
  
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  February 28, 2024 11:31am
Maggie Pie

JK on the ‘AM Show’ this morning tells Melissa Chan…

“Auckland house prices will double in the next 10 years”

😀 😀 😀
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February 28, 2024 8:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  All depends on net migration
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That means I will stay for 10 years and cash up then..
  Look out for an 82 year old teenager Hawaii.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:10am
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    
    Oprah and Gates will own all of Hawaii by then.
    I don’t think they will want the likes of us rolling in on our sky waka.
    
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    February 28, 2024 8:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Can always hide in the crater of Diamond Head?
      
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      February 28, 2024 8:48am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Pretty hard to hide there, there is 1000s of people a day going there, and the crater is only half a crater, the bus drives right in
        
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        February 28, 2024 8:52am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes, G, I have done it. The Military are also in there.
        
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        February 28, 2024 10:00am
  - kowtow
    
    It means he’s just quoting an old and often used rule of thumb.
    
    Unlike many here I don’t consider him to be some sort of Oracle of Orakei ( apologies to Warren B)
    
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    February 28, 2024 8:28am
- peterwn
  
  To put it another way they will increase on average by 8% per year.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:26am
  - Matt Long
    
    7.2% according to the Rule of 72
    
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    February 28, 2024 9:00am
    - Jack5
      
      Matt’s right. Inflation at 7.2 per cent over 10 years will double the value.
      
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      February 28, 2024 9:33am
    - peterwn
      
      Rule of 78 (not 72) is an approximation, but an expedient way of calculating repayments involving compound interest in the days before feature rich calculators and spreadsheets. Rule of 78 has gone the way of the three brass balls.
      1 + 2 + …….. + 12 = 78 .
      
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      February 28, 2024 10:11am
      - All_on_Red
        
        The Rule of 78 was used to calculate early settlement Penalties for Hire Purchase.
        It was very usurious and Finance Companies made a fortune out of it.
        As you say, no longer used.
        
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        February 28, 2024 11:24am
- BananaLlama
  
  Sounds good to me Maggie 😀
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:50am
- Damocles11
  
  How on earth would that be sustainable and a good thing for our country? Sounds like he’s getting into the business of real estate spruiking. 😔
  
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  February 28, 2024 10:05am
- mawm
  
  Maggie Pi – What does Key know about our current inflation and what kind of catch-up are we going to have do? It’s more about the devaluation of our dollar and the cost of replacement of a house than imigration.
  
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  February 28, 2024 11:47am
- cmm
  
  House prices can’t double.
  
  There is an upper bound to house prices caused by wages. Once people are paying 99% of their income on housing repayments then the prices just cannot go up. OK, we are not at 99% (maybe) but we’re at the the point where it is close.
  
  The average salary in Auckland is around $80k. Even with two of those you really struggle to buy an average house.
  
  A doubling of house prices in 10 years would require at least doubling the average salary. I don’t see that happening any time soon.
  
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  February 28, 2024 2:20pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Anybody in the finance industry will know about the rule of 72.
  
  Divide 72 by the inflation rate. Answer is number of years until prices are double.
  
  So prices will double if price inflation is 7.19% pa
  
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  February 28, 2024 3:12pm
Matt Long

Sanctuary cities love all migrants, illegal and otherwise and will stand against the violence of anti migrant supremacism…
Unless the migrants wish to come to their city, in which case they’d better get their foreign asses out of there.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-mayor-eric-adams-doubles-down-call-changes-citys-sanctuary-status-amid-migrant-crisis
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February 28, 2024 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How about that? Mayor Eric Adams is a NIMBY!
  Hypocritical Democrat.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:13am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    The goal is to increase the number of people who will vote Democrat. They’re not needed in New York as Dems win there anyway. Watch out for subtle attempts to move them to Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Arizona etc.
    
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    February 28, 2024 9:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Take them to Martha’s Vineyard!!
      
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      February 28, 2024 10:01am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Nigel
      
      The Democratic New York may soon be Republican.
      Many are turning against the Dems for their mistreatment of Trump, including truckers who are in the process of boycotting the city.
      NY will be on its knees within a week.
      
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      February 28, 2024 12:06pm
      - virtualmark
        
        ^^ Should I bookmark this? Because, really, what are the odds that NYC will be on its knees within a week?
        
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        February 28, 2024 1:15pm
- Paulus
  
  Is it true that Asians now outnumber Maori ?
  Can we believe any such figures, but with immigration and contrary birth rates it may have some merit.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:21am
  - Blackbob
    
    That’s been the case for quite a while now.
    
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    February 28, 2024 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maori = 16.5%
    Asian = 15.1%
    But Asian are the fastest growing. I don’t mind that at all. Asians don’t pull the race card if they are offended.
    
    https://www.ehinz.ac.nz/indicators/population-vulnerability/ethnic-profile/#:~:text=16.5%25%20M%C4%81ori%20(775%2C840%20people),MELAA)%20(70%2C330%20people).#:~:text=16.5%25%20M%C4%81ori%20(775%2C840%20people),MELAA)%20(70%2C330%20people).
    Sorry, I don’t know where to cut off the rubbish in that URL.
    Yes I do!
    https://www.ehinz.ac.nz/indicators/population-vulnerability/ethnic-profile/
    
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    February 28, 2024 8:58am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I suspect Asians easily outnumber Maori in NZ these days. Those figures quoted are from the dodgy 2018 census.
      
      There’s been no decent publication of the ethnic breakdown of our population since then.
      
      I also think that is why the Maori Caucus in Labour was so desperate to push through co-governance models for every facet of our lives.
      
      The fact is NZ is an increasingly multicultural nation and the bicultural meme needs to be consigned to history books.
      
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      February 28, 2024 9:21am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I missed that date, so you are probably right.
        “bicultural meme needs to be consigned to history books.”
        Yep, this co-governance bullshit is out the window. Wake up before it is too late people. You are being conned.
        
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        February 28, 2024 9:31am
      - Paulus
        
        Nobody can tell me that Maori are still at 16.5% as they have been for many years – where are the 2023 Census figures in this
        – shhhh ! they cannot tell us – it is a secret as only a false figure can be publicised.
        
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        February 28, 2024 9:56am
      - imalwaysright
        
        What about people who are at least 3.125% Asian .
        
        That would be a more accurate comparison.
        
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        February 28, 2024 10:14am
      - wsk12345
        
        Esp when you take into account that most MAori are 1/4 or less, some only 1/256 (1 Maori ancestor 8 generations ago)….whereas most of our Asians are fully or at least half Asian.
        
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        February 28, 2024 10:37am
      - kowtow
        
        MW
        
        I’m relaxed about “multi ethnic”.
        
        Multi culti is a distinct problem though , as it’s divisive and corrosive to our foundational , unifying ,egalitarian , democratic values , which I believe we all as New Zealanders should subscribe to.
        
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        February 28, 2024 12:30pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        wsk12345,
        My Great Grandson (9 months) is 1/4096 Maori, when you take in the other sides of the bloodlines. He will still be paying for the last 6 years.
        I don’t think the future NZ Asians will be happy paying for something that is not of their doing.
        
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        February 28, 2024 2:49pm
    - leoj
      
      Considering that there are no full blooded maori, that % is a lot less.
      
      We have heaps of one-sixteenth maori. I wonder if they think about all their whitey heritage?
      
      Asians, for the most part are full blooded.
      
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      February 28, 2024 10:06am
    - AitchW
      
      What is the legal definition of a Maori person? Is it enough to be able to recite a whakapapa, or is there a minimum percentage of Maori ancestry required? Or do you simply identify as Maori?
      
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      February 28, 2024 5:57pm
- kowtow
  
  Recent poll in the US shows illegal immigration the major concern toUS voters ( unsurprisingly)
  Trump will win in a landslide in Nov ( if the votes are counted correctly and there’s no ballot harvesting by Dem activists ,like last time)
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:32am
  - RoboRob
    
    I don’t understand all the rules around it but in at least some states ballet harvesting is completely legal. Trump needs to get his head out of the sand and harvest too rather than just complain about it.
    
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    February 28, 2024 8:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It is the mail in ballots that are the problem. Multiple ballots are made and dropped in ballot boxes at night by paid mules.
      
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      February 28, 2024 9:34am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ohhh lookie, 6 downticks. 6 people who deny the Democrats cheat!!!
        Denial is a river in Afrika.
        
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        February 28, 2024 2:51pm
  - leoj
    
    The vote counting, especially in the battle ground states, is the elephant in the room.
    
    Never trust the scum Dems when it comes to elections and counting manufactured votes.
    
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    February 28, 2024 10:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They don’t cheat – Hillary said so. Who wants to argue?
      
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      February 28, 2024 2:55pm
- sungsamning
  
  He’ll be wearing a MAGA hat in a couple weeks. Then, he’ll buy some Trump sneakers.
  
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  February 28, 2024 5:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Maori Health Authority – Govt Irresponsible.

Fear not, the Waitangi Tribunal has a claim.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/irresponsible-government-slammed-for-scrapping-m%C4%81ori-health-authority/ar-BB1iXobc
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February 28, 2024 8:07am
- Paulus
  
  I did not vote for the Waitangi Tribunal – not sure who did, but not representative of the population only some minority.
  So what gives, whatever they will automatically say.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Tribunal was created by Matt Rata and the Labour Party (who else?)
    1975.
    
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    February 28, 2024 9:36am
    - Jethrod
      
      He of Best Bets fame!
      
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      February 28, 2024 11:01am
- artemisia
  
  So the Maori Health authority will be dismantled as a separate organisation. Sounds like functions and staff will be folded into Health NZ and the Ministry of Health but no commitment to the same level of funding.
  
  Interesting to see what the Waitangi Tribunal comes up with if it does conduct a hearing in due course.
  
  Minister Reti -“ No matter how the health system is shaped, what’s important is how it functions. We need function over form, we need results over reports.”
  
  Reports are OK as long as they are focussed on targets and results. Sounds like a plan. The Auditor General agrees. Will the Waitangi Tribunal agree? Might need some verbal gymnastics.
  
  Hopefully the targets will also apply race based funding to providers like Maori Health Providers and the Health Research Council.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:25am
  - Paulus
    
    Waitangi Tribunal do not run New Zealand or do they ?
    The Media would have us think so, as they are now the true Opposition Party, as Labour and its mates feed them to keep out of anything contentious.
    Where are the Labour etc Opposition – no way the Media Party are there with a continuing vengeance.
    Even little Chippy is not to be seen either –
    
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    February 28, 2024 8:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Tribunal thinks they run NZ. We are in a Coup, like it or not.
      
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      February 28, 2024 9:40am
    - kowtow
      
      The Media Pardy would also have us believe that the Maori Party’s viewpoint is something shared by a large number of folk or even matters . Cos it isn’t and doesn’t , but still gets front page screaming headlines.
      
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      February 28, 2024 12:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Administration is totally overloaded with non-productive staff.
    
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    February 28, 2024 9:38am
- RoboRob
  
  Talk about an organization growing outside it’s initial intentions. The tribunal was set up to meditate treaty settlements. Nothing more. It was supposed to be a neutral body.
  
  With settlements ending they have morphed into a government fund Maori lobby group. Nact and Winston should shut them down entirely. If required they could setup entirely new group to meditate future settlements, if there are any.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The original job of the Tribunal was to advise the Govt in decision making. Now the Tribunal makes the decisions and tells the Govt what to do.
    Neutral is no more. They are part of the Coup.
    
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    February 28, 2024 10:06am
- imalwaysright
  
  Lady Moxon is leading the futile fight to save her job and the maori health authority .
  
  However, when it comes to maori infants like Baby Ru being murdered she is silent.
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She is part of Maori Health.
    Baby Ru is a Justice and Police matter, not hers.//
    
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    February 28, 2024 3:00pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      He was tortured to death over an extended period.
      It is not unreasonable to expect that a health department dedicated to maori, or any other group , would give their highest priority to infants.
      
      She is aware of children being tortured and violently
      murdered, is it not reasonable to expect that children be assessed and monitored?
      
      As you imply Steve they pass the problems on to another department and give their own hands a good scrub with the ethical sanitiser.
      
      We should spare a thought for the infants and children currently being tortured in NZ.
      
      Most will survive.
      
      That’s good enough for the Lady apparently .
      
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      February 28, 2024 3:38pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I was meaning that Moxon would simply divert any blame about Baby Ru.
        It means she sees it as someone else’s problem, not hers.
        I am not happy about these abused babies/kids. They did not ask to be born into this.
        SOCKs is the main problem. You can work out the meaning. Think Cam Slater and Whaleoil.
        
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        February 28, 2024 5:51pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Steve,
        Apologies for being vague, yes I understand what you were saying. We are in agreement.
        All the best.
        
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        February 28, 2024 7:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If the folks affiliated with the Waitangi Tribunal were so damned concerned about the disruption of 3 Waters & the Maori Health Authority, then they should have convinced their followers to vote Labour.
  
  But Labour lost most of their Maori seats and lost the election.
  
  And it wasn’t as if Nats/NZ First/Act hadn’t been clear about their intentions.
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:27am
Matt Long

China’s property market is collapsing, sounds a little like Japan in the early 1990s.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-27/china-economy-deteriorating-rapidly-australia-consequences/103511604
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February 28, 2024 8:07am
- All_on_Red
  
  China is in danger of embedding deflation as people dont spend but preserve cash.
  Thats an economy killer as its very hard to turn that around.
  Combine that with depopulation and China is heading towards a very bad space
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:19am
- Grunter
  
  Central planners at the State and Regional level must have got their spreadsheet wrong again. Add in a big dose of local govt corruption and ‘free money’.
  
  This is a huge Ponzi scheme that is now collapsing. And it makes up about 30% of the Chinese economy.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:21am
- MCōs
  
  We’re always being told the Chinese economy is in the shit, the same as we’re always being told Putin is on his last legs and this is going to be the Warriors year
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:14am
  - Damocles11
    
    You’re not one of these people who believe the myth of Chinese superiority & infallibility are you? They are human beings, so are susceptible to the fear / greed & boom / bust cycle like any other human society.
    
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    February 28, 2024 10:10am
    - kowtow
      
      More so as their economy and society is totally skewed by central ‘planners” or indeed one man .
      
      Bit like Russia under Petulant Putin.
      
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      February 28, 2024 12:36pm
  - Sacha
    
    (^0^)
    
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    February 28, 2024 11:29am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    With a dictatorship you can just throw your people under the bus (or bombs, as the case may be) to cover up the shitshow the leadership have created. Lovely stuff.
    
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    February 28, 2024 4:14pm
Nukuleka

Well, we’ll all be able to sleep safer in our beds now that the British Film Censor has upgraded the 1964 classic movie ‘Mary Poppins’ from U, unrestricted viewing, to PG, parental guidance required. The reason? Twice the term ‘hottentot’ is used. To think of the generations of innocent children whose lives have been blighted and whose vision of the world contaminated by exposure to such vileness. Shame on Julie Andrews.
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February 28, 2024 8:08am
- Paulus
  
  Wonder how many people even know wat a Hottentot was ?
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:24am
- peterwn
  
  No wonder a producer pulled a stunt on the film censor. The cost of a certificate depends on the classification, there being no charge for a U (G in NZ) certificate. Producer painted a wall then filmed the paint drying (about 10 hours). Producer then submitted it to the censor who had to watch it for 10 hours then had to issue a U certificate at no cost. Perhaps censor should have got creative and issued a X (adults only) certificate on the grounds it could induce mental illness in children.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  What would they do to Dad’s Army’s Cpl Jones and the Fuzzy Wuzzies.( if they haven’t already)
  
  or the Major in Fawlty Towers .
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:38am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Kow,
    They have already…
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10429151/Outrage-BBC-woke-cuts-classics-including-Dads-Army-race-sex-slurs-fears.html
    
    Ridiculous
    
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    February 28, 2024 9:26am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    or the Major in Fawlty Towers.
    
    Has already happened, Message to John Cleese: Don’t mention the War!:
    
    Speaking to Australian newspaper The Age, Cleese said: “The Major was an old fossil left over from decades before. We were not supporting his views, we were making fun of them. If they can’t see that, if people are too stupid to see that, what can one say?”
    
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    February 28, 2024 9:48am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Nukuleka writing in jest you have actually identified quite succinctly why this has been done. The “ progressive ghouls “ that want to shape our childrens future don’t want their view of the world blighted by such wholesome far right extremism especially when the only black person portrayed in the movie is a chimney sweep. The whole movie is obviously a vehicle for white supremacy and heteronormativity and seeks to continue the patriarchal social order and marginalisation of oppressed minorities. A complete ban is not yet politically practical but working in conjunction with drag queen story time and Google’s new AI engine they’ll do their best. It won’t be long before a family movie from pre 2015 will be as rare as a white couple in a TV advert and this brave new world will banish injustice, hatred and nastiness forever.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:54am
G152

watched a little of the parliamentary debacle last night and was amused at the lies and rants.
Small point that the nats promised they would remove the racist and burdensome stuff within 100 days.
And they are doing it.
Politicians honouring promises……….
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February 28, 2024 8:11am
- Biscuit
  
  G152, Parliament has been good for laughs recently.
  
  The ‘Rumbled!’ look on Chippie’s face, after he made what he thought was a good anti-Winston jibe, when Winston responded to the effect of ‘Why do you care? You’re out of here in a matter of weeks, right?’
  
  And hen there is Chippie’s lame replacement for his lame self as Education spokeswhatever. Last night, in response to news breaking that HER Government (and v. likely Chippie himself) had stuffed up funding for school upgrades by blaming THIS Government and saying ‘Well, they’ll cull the upgrades because they have tax cuts for their mates to fund. Erm, no, Ms Tinetti, this Government came into office with the (admittedly naive) idea that Labour had actually funded what it told schools it was proposing and that funding for tax cuts wouldn’t need to factor in Labour lies.
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:11am
- peterwn
  
  Labour MP’s with short memories complaining about how National is taking urgency, ramming through etc. Pot – kettle – black.
  
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  February 28, 2024 10:15am
Bridgenag

Watch this stirring 3-minute video memory from Camp Freedom in 2022.  https://rumble.com/v2al8is-february-23-2023.html

From NSDSOS New Zealand doctors speaking out with science.
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February 28, 2024 8:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Link not working, but if you copy and paste it to a new tab it does.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:17am
  - Debsta
    
    Just press and hold and select Open
    
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    February 28, 2024 8:29am
    - Biscuit
      
      Ooh, the innuendo, Debsta!
      
      Naughty chair here I come…
      
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      February 28, 2024 9:13am
- Debsta
  
  Thank you for sharing, it’s a stirring reminder that yes, that’s the New Zealand I want to live in too.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:34am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Yes indeed a grassroots protest trampled on by a supposedly left wing government. It’s worst sin was it’s genuine diversity which scared the life out of the Kate Hannah’s of this world. Spoiling the narrative is the worst sin in their eyes. Paula Penfold put it right though with her incredibly balanced government funded documentary. How quickly the Labour Party given such power as they had turned into an authoritarian cliche, the very people who told us that socialism had never been tried properly and wouldn’t be at all like the Soviet block when they did it.
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:15am
  - Miritu
    
    And we are supposed to have sympathy for Newshub journalists losing their jobs… the same journalists who were complicit in enabling a brutal assault on these freedom protesters, many whose lives had been destroyed by harsh lockdowns and mandates
    
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    February 28, 2024 2:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just see Anthony Bloomfield on the idiot box.
Clearly he does not want to be there, he is very quiet and embarrassed.
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February 28, 2024 8:14am
- artemisia
  
  Kate MacNamara in the Herald and NewstalkZB today -paywalled Can the Government unseat the chair of the Covid-19 inquiry – and at what cost?
  
  Seems some think the last government’s choice of chair, epidemiologist Tony Blakely, was too closely involved. Including Deborah Chambers KC, who was reported in the Herald last year “Putting an epidemiologist in charge of this inquiry is like putting a rabbit in charge of the lettuce garden”.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:27am
  - peterwn
    
    The chair is one of three and while influential would not determine the inquiry. If however he cannot live with amended inquiry terms he could choose to walk.
    
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    February 28, 2024 8:43am
    - artemisia
      
      According to the paywalled article there are now only 2 commissioners. Hekia Parata resigned in November. We can assume a third commissioner will be appointed.
      
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      February 28, 2024 9:24am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Steve Bloomfield doesn’t want to be on the idiot box but not as much as I don’t want him on it! The only thing I want him on is trial.
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:17am
- krazykiwi
  
  He walked onto the aircraft I was on Monday morning. Kept he head down and avoided eye contact while heading to his seat. Pity, I was going to say hello. We were mates back in our teen years.
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:29am
  - wsk12345
    
    Was he similar then to what he is now. (I know a weak money grubbing sycophant who was actually a decent person before money corrupted).
    
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    February 28, 2024 10:40am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    He was keen enough to give celebrity pics and get in close to admirers even when there was social distancing rules in effect:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-nat-mp-says-ardern-and-bloomfield-hypocrites-for-breaching-social-distancing-but-pm-says-too-many-wanted-handshakes-and-hugs/YENLXICUUBS3XDDI7KIWJ6U7YI/
    
    However, there is probably an awareness now that people are less likely to want to hug him, and some will probably want to throttle him.
    Not sure how many tea towels are being sold or song written about him these days.
    I would put on a wig and a false moustache if I were him.
    
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    February 28, 2024 12:33pm
- Sacha
  
  And so he should be. To know that a man with his education and reputed career allowed himself to be roped in by the then PM – a gullible politician with not even a basic understanding of the human immune system – is distressing to say the least.
  Proof once again that handsome is as handsome does.
  
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  February 28, 2024 11:37am
imalwaysright

Just watched Ashley Bloomfield on tv1 say he was on holiday when he was informed of first covid case.

It was determined that he should announce it to the country.

They waited until he returned to Wellington the next day to make the announcement !

What was the priority ?
Informing the public ?
Or perhaps the optics of having the top doctor giving the bad news.

Stage management and narrative management were the priorities . Not us.

(However, the good news is that you can buy Ashley’s merchandise online . Hurrah!)
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February 28, 2024 8:15am
Sparrow

What is it with Otago University? A short hourly news update on local radio is all I can handle. So we get two female Otago Uni academics this morning criticising government over repeal of smoking legislation which will result in the killing of thousands and the repeal of the Māori Health Authority which again will result in more deaths. Is there something in the water down there ? What’s worrying is these people are brainwashing our youngsters. Now Robertson is joining them and Baker and we are paying for these people.
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February 28, 2024 8:18am
- Taieri
  
  two female Otago Uni academics
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  Academics?
  Two activists with an obsession masquerading as “academics”. There’s not much academic about them other than being employed by a university. Is a background in the medieval English literature of much use in the field of “Public Health”? Very good at marketing though. Self marketing that is…
  
  “(…)Janet’s first degrees were in English Literature and she also studied Botany, Zoology, Microbiology, and French. Her Honours research examined nineteenth century poetry and she explored irony Beowulf, a very early medieval poem, in her Masterate thesis. She later completed a post-graduate diploma in marketing and her PhD examined question wording effects in surveys.(…)”
  
  https://www.otago.ac.nz/wellington/departments/publichealth/staff/professor-janet-hoek
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:40am
- Grunter
  
  “What’s worrying is these people are brainwashing our youngsters. Now Robertson is joining them and Baker and we are paying for these people.”
  
  Yip, yip, that’s exactly what we are doing…..
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:43am
- peterwn
  
  These academics should join forces with academics from other disciplines (marketing, psychology, political studies, economics, criminology etc) and come up with a comprehensive realistic proposal to reduce and ultimately eliminate smoking with as little collateral damage as possible. A wise government would take this on board and with the continuing help of the academics resolve the issue. But, no, the different groups are probably in their own little academic silos.
  
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  February 28, 2024 11:32am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKK7Nsg_hZ0
Using her voice: an introduction to Jenny Marcroft.
Learn more about New Zealand First MP Jenny Marcroft and how she’s using her voice to better New Zealand for all kiwis.
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February 28, 2024 8:19am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Isn’t she the one that tried to blackmail Mark Mitchell into stepping away from a project he supported in his electorate if he wanted it to get PGF money?
  
  We never found out who she was doing it on behalf of, was it Tracey Martin who shared the electorate, or Shane Jones who ran the PGF, or Ron Mark who had had recent losses against Mitchell over the Defense Portfolio or Winston for some combination of reasons?
  
  No matter who she was doing it for, it definitely wasn’t “using her voice to better New Zealand for all Kiwis”.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:54am
  - sungsamning
    
    I didn’t know that. Definitely not cricket.
    
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    February 28, 2024 5:50pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfDIt0tMHxg
Congress Wants Biden Gone.
The SOTU speech may be cancelled. Some Congress critters have had enough. They think its 25th Amendment time.
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February 28, 2024 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Biden is not capable of doing a SOTU speech.
  If the 25th Amendment is used, Kamala becomes President. Not wise.
  
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  February 28, 2024 10:48am
  - sungsamning
    
    Agreed, it couldn’t happen to a nicer party.
    
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    February 28, 2024 5:51pm
- virtualmark
  
  Speaker Johnson invited Biden to give the State of the Union address, back in early January. The SOTU is scheduled for 7 March.
  
  There are always some politicians who want to act like yapping dogs instead of adults. Willie Jackson and Marama Davidson are good local examples.
  
  In this case a few MAGA GOP members are yapping that Biden shouldn’t be invited to give the SOTU. Similar yapping happened a couple of times in the Obama presidency, when some of the more extreme GOP members said he too shouldn’t be invited.
  
  But my advice is to filter out the yapping dogs and just listen to the adults in the room. My experience is that the only things that get excited about yapping dogs are other yapping dogs.
  
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  February 28, 2024 1:12pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Lots of yapping from the Dems too
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sotu-democrats-boycott-earl-blumenauer_n_5c58b817e4b00187b5543d23
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/481424-at-least-four-democrats-to-boycott-trump-state-of-the-union-address/
    A total of 14 Democrats skipped the address in 2018.
    
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    February 28, 2024 3:42pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Yes, yapping dogs on both sides.
      
      I won’t be surprised if the “Squad” Dems skip the SOTU in protest at Biden’s support for Israel. Nose, cut, face. Palestinians and their supporters never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
      
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      February 28, 2024 5:02pm
pdm

I was wrong.

Last week I predicted that McAnulty would replace Virginia Anderson on the Hosking segment with Mark Mitchell from today on.

Virginia did turn up, proffered some sort of apology that Mitchell accepted so it looks like she is there to stay.

Until her next cock up anyway.

I apologise to Virginia Anderson for under estimating her stickability – or is that gall and bloody mindedness?
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February 28, 2024 8:23am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She said on Monday she would be on today and apologise, Hosking said on Friday she would be back on Wednesday
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump’s trial before Election?
They are very desperate.
The documents were declassified, but hang on, the documents Joe Biden had were also declassified when he did not have the power to do this – he was VP.
Witch hunt again.
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‘Whatever immunities a sitting president may enjoy, the United States has only one chief executive at a time, and that position does not confer a lifelong “get-out-of-jail-free” pass,’
– Chutkan. Well that applies to Biden as well! If not why not?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-aims-to-ice-chutkan-s-attempts-to-hold-trial-before-election/ss-BB1iXVpC#image=8
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February 28, 2024 8:27am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Biden had classified information when he was only a senator also, that right there is criminal, how did he get this info and from who should be the court case
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:38am
  - geoff3012
    
    Couldn’t prosecute as Biden is “fucked in the Head”
    
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    February 28, 2024 12:46pm
    - sirknz
      
      FITH syndrome is the medical nomenclature I believe…
      
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      February 28, 2024 1:50pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Its not going well for the Democrats in Georgia.
  Willis and Wade look likely to be removed from the case(s) for their false statements and perjury.
  They are at risk of the Georgia State Bar disbarring them. Then there is the State Senates investigation of their behaviour.
  I’m not sure but I think if her Office has the case taken off them then I think it then goes back to the State Attorney Generals office for re-assignment.
  The State Attorney General is a Republican so there is a chance the whole thing could end there.
  We will see.
  I think the only Charge where Trump is in danger is the Obstruction Charge at Mar a Lagos.
  That’s a tricky one for him
  I also think that the serial rape fantasist E Jean Carrolls victory laps might be a bit too hasty…
  That one is probably going to come back to bite her. Chances are she will end up owing Trump money.
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, but was Trump not in the process of dealing with his documents at Mara Lago? Was he not working with the heads over dealing with them?
    
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    February 28, 2024 9:36am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Sigh AOR lol. Didn’t you hear that the relevant cellphone data evidence was obtained without a WARRANT and that Take-a-load-of Fani provided contrary data, even though it was on different dates to that provided by the defence lawyers…
    #thebestisyettocome
    
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    February 28, 2024 7:01pm
Matt Long

The farmers in Europe are getting traction against the woke green rules in the EC.
Why is it the European Farmers appear to be able to stage a public protest that causes actual pain for governments.
The European public appears to be inside with them, despite what looks like considerable disruption.
The European Commission is willing to upset greens by taking notice.
None of these things seem possible in New Zealand.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/europe/tractor-protests-threaten-to-drive-the-eus-green-farming-policies-into-a-ditch/article_cf132e11-d0e8-5de0-b25b-6c6e4ffb2fc1.html
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February 28, 2024 8:41am
Yvette

Maori life expectancy

“What this particular bill means is that they continue to commit Maori to death earlier than anybody else in this country” – Rawiri Waititi, Te Pāti Māori co-leader, TVNZ 1 News yesterday evening

“When I got told that I had cervical cancer, they said for somebody with stage 3C you have a 40 per cent chance of survival. As a wāhine Māori, I have about a 13.3 per cent chance of survival,” [Kiri Allan] she said.
“Do the maths on that. I don’t know why that is, how that is, but it’s wrong. The disparity is too much, people are dying far too young. This is a korero that needs to happen again and again and again.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/kiri-allan-reveals-grim-cancer-prognosis/4Y5PTU7COFCIJVA2OGQULNWLQA/

Why are Maori earlier deaths compared to “pakeha” deaths when East Asian communities attain considerably higher life spans than anyone else in New Zealand?

And if Maori originated from Asian stock before migrating east into the Pacific, then centuries later migrating back west to settle in New Zealand, what physical or social changes have occurred to so drastically lessen their lifespan compared to the average East Asian who gets off a plane in Auckland Airport this morning?

Is the lower range for Maori a genetic or environmental factor – physiological, psychological, life style and social status and behavioural?
And if genetic, what whakapapa (Maori intermarriage or mixed parentage) is a factor?
If a Maori person’s one grandparent or one parent is non-Maori, does that person have a higher life expectancy?

And, considering all factors, was Kiri Allan correctly advised she had a 13.3 percent chance of survival when diagnosed – and since her recovery, what of her reported lifestyle and choices leading up to the much publicised road-crash, are now perhaps conditions conducive to cancer or an early death?

Is Rawiri Waititi at all accurate to make statements like the one above, or is it in fact unhealthy misinformation
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February 28, 2024 8:43am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I wonder how the stats would look if you removed early death from stupid choices (i.e. adjust for smoking, obesity, violence etc).
  
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  February 28, 2024 8:58am
- mandk
  
  Why do Māori die significantly earlier than the population average?
  
  Simple, it’s because:
  1. They are more than twice as likely to smoke
  2. They are more than twice as likely to drink hazardously
  3. They are more than twice as likely to use methamphetamines
  4. They are more than averagely obese
  (Source: NZ Health Survey).
  
  I doubt it has little, if anything, to do with availability of services.
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:00am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Genetics.
    
    Paleolithic hunter gatherers having 10 kids that typically die violently don’t get significant advantage from grandma and grandpa being alive. They tend to mature and die at younger ages to take advantage of opportunities for spread that occur due to warfare and natural calamities.
    
    Cold climate subsistence farmers that mostly perish from famine and disease have less surplus resources to raise kids and have to plan and provision for long periods of privation (winter) and benefit more from skills and labor contributions of surviving grandparents. They tend to mature and die later and spread through slow grinding competitive economic advantage over their peers less mediated by violence, more by well planned industrious activity. Which is probably also why Northern Europeans, North East Asians and Mongolians tend to be highest average intelligence amongst the worlds ethnicities.
    
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    February 28, 2024 9:47am
  - rockape
    
    They also regularly fail to attend hospital appointments.
    
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    February 28, 2024 10:07am
    - Sacha
      
      -and reliably take the prescribed medicines, and adjust their diets.
      Many don’t seem to care enough about themselves or their kids.
      
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      February 28, 2024 11:45am
    - a3kidlady
      
      Ahh and this is the crux of it!! The following thinking is pervasive through the health system. I regularly have a debate with an NGO provider who has the audacity to tell me that despite services being provided that WE ALL have access to. Maori have been on the receiving end of “institutional racism” over the years and have developed a deep mistrust of doctors both GP’s and Hospital and THIS is why their outcomes are poorer.
      Yep I go to my GP and he tells me stuff I do not want to hear ie “you need to lose weight” “eat healthier food” “exercise more” etc etc – Seriously instead of crying racism, when you hear that stuff you need to take personal responsibility for what happens next to your “outcomes”
      When Maori start taking self responsibility for their health outcomes seriously, I will start to listen if said outcomes don’t improve. Until then – shut up!!!
      
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      February 28, 2024 11:48am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Yep, ahead of the election there was a female friend who posted on FB and got a bunch of other middle-aged women to discuss politics.
        It was depressing, but amongst the assertions of systematic racism being real & the fear of ACT & the Nats undoing so much good things for Maori was a comment about how one lady could understand a Maori reluctance to going to the GP, because their GP always bring up her weight, and she is overweight and she doesn’t like that.
        
        So – being told what you need to hear from you GP of all people is supposedly a bad thing, and we need race-focused services that tell you instead that you are perfect no matter what size you are, presumably.
        These people are morons.
        
        Yes – lifestyle, obesity and the related heart disease, cancers and diabetes etc. are what the Maori who claim to care about their people should look at firstly before a great many other things.
        Te Ao Maori is not a deep fried and high sugar world. But you try telling them that!
        
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        February 28, 2024 12:46pm
    - kowtow
      
      For years on RNZ they pushed , still do , the lack of access to health services , as if some brute stood at the door and prevented entry .
      
      I recall finally one day , I think it was Linda Clark actually saying , “oh dear , look someone’s done some work on this ………looks like , they fail to keep appointments , don’t keep follow ups, don’t follow course of medication given etc ……..”
      
      No racism , no systemic , no institutional.
      Just a lak of personal responsibility .
      
      And no it’snot just Maoris and PI’s .
      
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      February 28, 2024 12:44pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Systemic racism is a half arsed accusation.
        Systems aren’t racist. Only people can be racist.
        But these accusers are to scared to accuse the staff of being racist.
        Someone might ask “which ones?”
        
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        February 28, 2024 3:54pm
- Taieri
  
  Is Rawiri Waititi at all accurate to make statements like the one above, or is it in fact unhealthy misinformation
  ———–
  
  Point scoring or…just a simple hysteria…
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some years back, some epidemiologists looked at the disparity in survival rates between Maori of the Mormon faith and non-Mormons.
  
  https://academic.oup.com/ije/article-abstract/14/2/265/711899?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false
  
  I haven’t got access to the whole paper, but this sentence from the abstract is pretty clear:
  
  Maori mortality was much lower among Mormons than non-Mormons suggesting that environmental, rather than genetic factors, play a predominant role in the relatively high overall Maori mortality.
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:59am
  - peterwn
    
    Years ago a young guy AWOL’d from work and was deemed to have abandoned employment. Turned out that Mormon chiefs were concerned with his living environment and lifestyle and sent him off to Sydney. Whether he made most of The Lucky Country or was 501’d back goodness knows. Most probably the former.
    
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    February 28, 2024 10:24am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    It’s the coffee drinking lolz??
    
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    February 28, 2024 11:58am
- Yvette
  
  Life expectancy by ethnic origin in Chile
  
  Results: Indigenous Chileans have seven years lower life expectancy at birth than the non-Indigenous population (76.2 vs. 83.2 years). The differential at age 60 is 6 years (20.3 vs. 26.4 years). We also found that Mapuche have an even greater disadvantage in survival than other ethnic groups. This is reflected in 2 years less life expectancy, both at birth and at 60 years.
  
  Discussion: Our results ratify the existence of marked ethnic-racial inequality in the extension of life in Chile and demonstrate a greater disadvantage in terms of survival of the Mapuche compared to other Indigenous and non-Indigenous groups. It is thus of great relevance to design policies that would decrease the existing inequalities in lifespan.
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37397745/
  
  Is it a fact of life (literally) that people, once historically colonised physically. may choose to colonise themselves a second time, but rather than physically they do it mentally (“mantra” repetition) – with this latter leading to a likely combination of both conditions?
  
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  February 28, 2024 10:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We are seeing “The Glasgow Effect” in some Maori communities :
    
    the male life expectancy at birth in the Calton area of Glasgow between 1998–2002 was 54 years.[20][a] A local doctor attributed this to alcohol and drug abuse, and to a violent gang culture.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_effect
    
    Similar effects can be found in other countries, amongst folks of European ethnicity:
    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB5056.html
    
    https://www.arc.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Appalachian-Diseases-of-Despair-Update-November-2022.pdf
    
    In other words: communities saturated in booze, drugs and gangs have lousy health outcomes.
    
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    February 28, 2024 1:02pm
- PurplePen
  
  And Jennings was coluding, colluding? with other media leaders to not print anything from Winston Peters but here they are shouting anything unfactual that falls out of the head of Waititi.
  
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  February 28, 2024 3:01pm
- PurplePen
  
  I also wonder about the stats on maori this and maori that. Are the stats based on real maori that look like your “traditional” Maori, are they based on them plus “white” Maori, are they based on maori that are 50% or more maori, 30%, 15% etc. Also, for a while there media were items began with “Maori are disproportionately affected by … “. After a while saying this too much becomes a tool of oppression. As a Maori you’d start to believe that I’m hopeless if that’s all you’re seeing it being told all the time.
  
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  February 28, 2024 3:11pm
- pdm
  
  Is Rawiri Waititi at all accurate’
  
  Possibly with his hat size Yvette.
  Wouldn’t trust him re his shoe size though.
  
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  February 28, 2024 7:25pm
Matt Long

Islamofascism continues its march through Africa with more massacres raising not one eyebrow in the west.
Meanwhile the same kind of fascists in the UK are standing over members of parliament, so that MPs who vote against terrorists need armed guards and are afraid for their families.
But don’t worry about that, look, Jews, Jews, Jews, they’re taking over the world.
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1761908535623815215?s=20
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February 28, 2024 8:52am
- Che Guava
  
  Doesn’t the clear disparity between the actions of “Islamofascists” massacring Africans (specifically Christian Africans, I believe) but “raising not one eyebrow in the west” (i.e. not being covered in the western media), and the “Islamofascists” killing Jews in Israel which has dominated western consciousness for months somewhat undermine your flippant dismissal of, in your words, the idea of “Jews taking over the world”? (a proposition that is an exaggerated strawman for rhetorical affect, btw).
  
  In other words, we never hear the end about “Islamofascism” when it negatively affects Jews (in the Middle East, or in the UK, for instance), while we barely hear about “Islamofascism” at all when it negatively affects non-Jews. Obviously, the determinate factor is not Islamists doing bad things, it’s whether or not Jews are negatively affected. That’s the standard, and who do you think sets the standard?
  
  Just as astronomers can deduce the presence of an unseen planet based on the observable effects it has on another visible body, so too we can deduce a great deal about the political dynamic by making inferences based on what can be seen.
  
  Incidentally, the US soldier who publicly self-immolated in front of the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC has mostly been buried in the western media (likely because it could decrease US public support for Israel, which the later depends upon), while, if a Russian or Chinese soldier had done the same extreme act of protest in front of a Russian or Chinese official site, the act would be endlessly celebrated in western media as an act of virtuous martyrdom in the face of evil. Imagine, even, if it were an Arab protesting Hamas: that would be Jewish propaganda gold!
  
  The obvious disparity here can be best explained on the same principle I have described.
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:34am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    The US Serviceman that burnt themselves to death outside the Isreali embassy was not buried in media – it is still on the NZ Herald World headlines this morning, and was something I saw yesterday.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/israel-hamas-war-us-airman-dies-after-setting-himself-alight-outside-israeli-embassy-in-protest/XR5QOPYKGZCMHF7RM2XP65YUDE/
    
    My initial feeling was that is fine, and it would be a good thing if more and more of the types of people turning out to wave Palestinian flags in London or even Auckland etc. would follow in the same footsteps.
    Probably be a few Xtinction rebellion and BLM types overlapping in a Venn diagram of protestors in the streets- so win win win.
    And a question – where did all the Palestinian flags come from all of the sudden?
    Was Iran or George Soros getting them made ahead of time, along with sourcing busses and portaloos for the rent-a-mob?
    
    The production of Road cones and Palestinian flags. 2 growth industries that are worth investing in.
    
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    February 28, 2024 12:54pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Fuzz,
      Wishing for people you disagree with to burn themselves to death is a severe thought to have.
      There are intermediate steps available to help in dealing with such anger.
      
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      February 28, 2024 4:02pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        No anger involved, I just don’t care that much about the gesture: it is not like he was murdered.
        He killed himself in service of a political cause.
        It’s all on the guy putting petrol on himself (and maybe the hysteric narrative circling around which handed him the ‘metaphorical matches’).
        
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        February 28, 2024 6:12pm
  - miltonF
    
    Truth hurts eh Che? It’s amusing that people keep down-ticking your very logical observations.
    
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    February 28, 2024 8:24pm
  - Dave
    
    Possibly you are right, but possibly there are explanations alternative to your monomania.
    
    Perhaps the greater focus on Islamic atrocities in Israel rather than in the Sahel reflects the greater potential of such actions for massive destablisation of the region, high intensity wars, disruption of oil supplies, great power rivalries, which potentially more affect people in the west.
    
    Perhaps it reflects the long-standing greater interest of first world countries in other first world countries’ affairs, rather than in the third world.
    
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    February 28, 2024 8:45pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was part of a consortium that looked at buying Pakatoa Island a few years back. It was still for sale last year and the price had risen to $40 million before being withdrawn from the market.
He reckons they may have possibly dodged a bullet…..

https://tinyurl.com/3uetbpmx
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February 28, 2024 8:52am
- 7kiwi11
  
  First attempt of colonisation (aka land sale) followed by the first instance of White Flight in NZ?
  
  “This was a time of tribal war and finding traces of cannibal feasts, and disturbed by the numbers of canoes around, and the ferocious looks of the occupants, they changed their minds about staying.”
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:49am
- Paul
  
  The same rules apply at every level but most punters don’t know the rules.
  Not many people know that iPhones cost under $200 to make.
  Property Investment is forecasting, forecasting Political movement is impossible.
  Who spends now ? Cheap goods for the Hoi Polloi, and luxury goods have a permanent yet diminishing place.
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:15pm
Matt Long

Has Labour completely infiltrated National. Here’s a former Labour activist and National MP espousing critical race theory.
https://x.com/2ETEKA/status/1762420330843553995?s=20
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February 28, 2024 8:55am
- Jack5
  
  Not sure where I can get to Vanessa Weenink “espousing critical race theory” from that link, Matt. Is something missing?
  
  You can listen to Weenink’s maiden speech in Parliament, or read it, at the links below. Her political self-summary: socially liberal, fiscally conservative, and blue green.
  
  She’s a GP doctor who spent two tours in Afghanistan in the Army, and one in East Timor, a mother, the daughter of a nurse and someone who apparently did time for being a “pioneer of the cannabis industry”.
  
  And she ended her maiden speech with a quotation from science-fiction writer David Mitchell’s Cloud Atlas. That was refreshing.
  
  With NZ’s health service in tatters we can’t get enough medical people into Parliament to back up Shane Reti.
  
  A video of Weenink’s maiden speech:
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20231207_062850000/tab/video
  
  Or the Hansard transcript:
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20231207_063000000/weenink-vanessa
  
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  February 28, 2024 11:40am
  - Matt Long
    
    “The causes of Maori health outcomes are not the health system, the causes are colonisation…”
    Maybe you didn’t scroll up the feed?
    https://x.com/2ETEKA/status/1762404376638034265?s=20
    
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    February 28, 2024 8:26pm
Matt Long

Ben Shapiro finds that race is more important than patient safety in DEI world, perhaps that should be DIE.
https://x.com/benshapiro/status/1762195994123407577?s=20
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February 28, 2024 8:58am
- sirknz
  
  It was DIE until the wokerati realised that was actually a word…
  
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  February 28, 2024 11:17am
Tomtoddy

If anyone needs proof Joe Biden is a crook as well as nuts here it is – https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1762148389079142677
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February 28, 2024 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I only skimmed through it. Riddled with lies. Thing is will Americans let the Biden family get away with it?
  
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  February 28, 2024 11:06am
Maggie Pie

‘Be Gay, Do Crime: Homo (cidal) Villians’

– Department of English. Pennslyvania State University

https://twitter.com/RebelNews_AU/status/1762321815102271870
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February 28, 2024 9:18am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Oddly absurd given one of the people he killed was his ex boyfriend……
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:24am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    was his ex boyfriend…
    
    or so he fantasised…
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2024/02/sydney-double-murder-case-jesse-baird-s-friends-say-he-was-never-in-relationship-with-charged-police-officer-beau-lamarre.html
    
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    February 28, 2024 1:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nikki Haley switches to Democrat and immediately takes the lead.
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February 28, 2024 9:26am
- MCōs
  
  There’s no primary in NZ
  No point in electioneering over here
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Whooossshhh.
    Satire mussed again!!
    
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    February 28, 2024 11:07am
- Inandout
  
  SO, dogs take leads.
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:58am
tedbear

I read that Productivity Commission chair Ganesh Nana thinks for business to be carried out, all that’s required is make a phone call.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/510362/productivity-commission-head-hits-out-at-cruel-and-thoughtless-way-it-has-been-axed

Nana said “The outcome could have been so easily achieved with much less collateral damage – all it required was a simple phone call.”
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February 28, 2024 9:32am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  When he first got the job, I recall seeing his picture on the article and he has a really large greenstone carving on outside his suit.
  I mean, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer sized.
  
  It always looks off to me, when people wear a nephrite carving outside their clothes, and especially when they are non-Maori. Look at Me!
  Jade is best worn against the skin, and it is rather ostentatious to wear adornment like that so openly. I suppose the whole point is as an outwards signal however, rather than a truly personal thing.
  
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  February 28, 2024 1:42pm
PeeJay

Random thought.

Walking to work in Christchurch CBD and noticed that every traffic light pole had a nice sticker at the base with the warning “LIVE WIRES”. I would have thought that it might be reasonably obvious things that run on electricity, you know like traffic lights, would need electrical supply so would therefore have, erm, live wires.

Sensible low-cost Health & Safety? Health & Safety gone mad? Or a sign of how incredibly stupid the average person now is that we now need signs telling them not to cut the wires that supply the power to those shiny things that tell the traffic to stop & go? Possibly all of the above?
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February 28, 2024 9:40am
I remember when

Sir Apirana Ngata, in 1922, said they should “blame your ancestors.”
Fortunately with the passage of time Maori have found this works better than ever.
Obviously, not blame all your ancestors.
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February 28, 2024 10:12am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Sir Ngata had a good point, around complain to yourself/blame yourselves if you want to complain (as in the finger points back at Maori, if people think a wrong was done to them – which was not his assertion personally).
  
  Meaning in the modern times- blame someone else’s ancestors without fail and exclusively.
  
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  February 28, 2024 1:54pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    clarify my 2nd sentence – it has become a pattern of purely blaming someone else’s ancestors in modern times —- to contrast with the observation made by Sir Ngata long ago in his efforts to mitigate bad feeling between the races and grievance.
    
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    February 28, 2024 2:11pm
  - Swifty
    
    It’s Sir (first name) not Sir (last name).
    
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    February 28, 2024 7:01pm
MCōs

Neil Wagner retiring leaves only Tim Southee remaining of the top notch bowling attack from just a couple of years ago and he must be close to the end of his career too
Neil Wagner never looked particularly menacing, but he got blokes out and every time you’d think he’d destroyed the Hound of the Baskervilles
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February 28, 2024 10:15am
I remember when

“Good sex” is secret of Joe Biden’s long marriage, new book on First Lady Jill Biden reveals: Newshub.

Is it “Good Sex” if you can’t remember it.
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February 28, 2024 10:17am
- MCōs
  
  You tell us
  
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  February 28, 2024 12:40pm
artemisia

Ganesh Nana – has a public sook. “Productivity Commission head hits out at ‘cruel’ and ‘thoughtless’ way it has been axed”

Oh no, there was no phone call before the coalition agreement was announced. Maybe they thought he might be on the phone to the media before they could make the ‘cruel’ announcement. Or maybe it was not feasible to contact every impacted organisation head beforehand.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/510362/productivity-commission-head-hits-out-at-cruel-and-thoughtless-way-it-has-been-axed
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February 28, 2024 10:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hard cheese for him. He will not be the only Dept to go.
  
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  February 28, 2024 11:08am
kevn

NZ has swamp creatures…
https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/
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February 28, 2024 10:38am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

This is about the comic posted yesterday. Targeted at high school studens – because they will soon be voters.
There are 3 links – one is not highlighted red. It is about school leaving numbers and how many will be voters.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/analysis-treaty-of-waitangi-comic-for-high-school-students-has-been-quietly-brainwashing-away-since-2018-part-1/
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February 28, 2024 11:00am
Maggie Pie

As my partner just said…..

“Praise the Lord for Nicole McKee”
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February 28, 2024 11:05am
- kowtow
  
  ……..and pass the ammunition!
  
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  February 28, 2024 12:48pm
sirknz

It is happening people! Newshub is closing down.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/media-insider-super-anxious-three-and-newshub-staff-called-to-11am-warner-bros-discovery-meeting/2OVBMDSPPRH2JFTVBFX6AU4S3Q/

Who knew that running an organisation that bends the truth and relies on government subsidies wouldn’t be profitable?

I guess nothing of value was lost…
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February 28, 2024 11:16am
TripeWryter

Well, TV3 has just told the troops it’s getting out of news and current affairs.
Stand by for journalistic hand-wringing and weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I don’t mean to sound so callous.
Normally the death of a news outlet would cause me great sadness.
But since news people and their bosses decided to change the name of this country without asking the rest of us; decided to report wokely; decided that their opinions were more important than the facts they were supposed to report; I can only think: ‘Good riddance to the lot of you.’
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February 28, 2024 11:25am
- greybeard
  
  Let me tell you, being made redundant when you are over 50 or 60 is not something to celebrate.
  
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  February 28, 2024 5:15pm
kiwikidsnz

So it begins
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/510391/newshub-to-close-down-newsroom-in-june-sources-say
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February 28, 2024 11:27am
Jethrod

Well just announced that Newshub closing at end of June!!!!
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February 28, 2024 11:30am
Swifty

Maori grifters and race-baiters all moan and groan in unison at the idea that their plans for a lucrative (for them) ethnostate is dissolving before their eyes at the hands of their political opponents:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/this-is-one-of-the-darkest-weeks-in-new-zealand-politics-for-te-ao-maori-willie-jackson/2PNKM4UOSFD4HBHFF5HVL6DQCE/

I am utterly and completely convinced this separatist agenda from the likes of Jackson, O’Donnell and Morgan has bad intentions that have little to do with Maori outcomes – and I think there’s one simple test that proves it.

Let’s say that separate Maori health systems (or education, or justice, or social support etc) were in place for twenty years and, irrespective of the efforts of successive governments the actual outcomes for Maori were the same or poorer for Maori than Maori in the mainstream systems.

Billions have been poured in, countless strategies and delivery models have been tried, reviews after reviews have been conducted and still the outcomes are poor – and costing taxpayers hugely more per person or per treatment than the mainstream.

(Meanwhile the Maori service providers, the Tamiheres, the Jacksons etc) in on it are creaming it.)

When challenged about this chronic under-performance and underachievement what do you think the Jacksons et al is more likely to say:

1. “We just need to give it more time, we need to stay the course. These things take time. And of course we need to address the underfunding. We are not investing enough. We need to spend more.”

Or,

2. “We need to face up to it. It hasn’t worked. We thought this was the answer but plainly we were wrong. The causes of underachievement clearly are not being addressed by these separate systems and I’m sorry we’ve wasted billions of New Zealander’s dollars to find that out. More importantly, we need to get our people back into the mainstream system where we’ll all be better off.”

I argue that as certain as the Sun rising in the morning you will never, ever hear Jackson, Waititi etc say number 2. Never, ever, ever – even though it is recognised as true by most other New Zealanders.

And here’s the key point. If they really cared about Maori outcomes Jackson and Waititi and O’Donnell etc should be quick to admit separatism isn’t working and call for a rollback.

But of course it’s not the outcomes that are the prize. It’s the separatism itself that is the prize. And even if actual outcomes are worse, that matters not. What matters is the preservation of the main prize – separate systems that they can benefit from; politically, financially and in terms of direct power and control.

This is why, I firmly believe, you never, ever hear co-governance proponents talking in terms of specific, measurable benefits – or specific, measurable improvements in outcomes.

You only hear vague, non-specific, general claims of “under co-governance things will be better….” but never do you hear any answers to the basic question “Better by what measure?”

They can’t answer it and won’t answer it. Doing so would require them to set some targets and be accountable – and that’s the last thing they want to do. That is their Achilles heel and one which they’ll attempt to avoid at all costs.

Remember, it’s the separatism and the subsequent cash, power and control that is the prize, better outcomes for Maori is just the stalking horse.

The illusory carrot.

The virtuous face.
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February 28, 2024 11:32am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Jackson, O’Donnell and Morgan ‘
  
  Sounds like an old joke , innit. Those names .
  
  An Englishman an Irishman and a Welshman …….
  
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  February 28, 2024 12:53pm
Jethrod

Announced at at 1118. Saw it on Horrid. Bridge, and the 2 on at 6 o’clock go too
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February 28, 2024 11:32am
Maggie Pie

I remember when I was a kid and if i done something really stupid,
my mum would call me a…. “Nana”

Doesn’t instill a lot of confidence in people does it 😀
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February 28, 2024 12:17pm
Jack5

ACT’s Nicole McKee, Associate Minister of Justice, brings some intelligence to NZ firearms controls:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/semi-automatics-on-the-table-in-gun-laws-shake-up/2UGDACAHKFHJDN5F5MOKD2X4CM/
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February 28, 2024 12:39pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

A damp morning in Wellington. Will freshen up the Basin pitch nicely.

I wouldn’t be buying a ticket for the fourth day!
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February 28, 2024 1:22pm
Biscuit

Mod(s), you all know me – an uncomplaining soul who always sees the best in people…

But there’s a General Debate post, timed at 8.23 am today, in which someone purporting to be pdm says:

I was wrong.

Impossible.

Someone must have infiltrated Kiwiblog and hacked into the real pdm’s account.

Investigation is needed.

More chance, surely, of:
* Alwyn Poole gushing that after six years of Labour everything is hunky dory in New Zealand education again
* Steve Otto badmouthing Donald Trump
* Maggie Pie telling us that Tennis is a poofy sport or even, gasp,
*That salt-of-the-Earth Biscuit chap ‘outing’ himself as an Everton fan…
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February 28, 2024 1:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  🙂
  
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  February 28, 2024 5:55pm
cmm

Two massively obese older people travel without insurance and expect other people to bail them out when it goes pear shaped.

They bitch about lack of compassion.

How about this: be compassionate yourselves and take out insurance so that you are not a burden on others!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/compassionate-fares-couple-claim-13k-air-new-zealand-price-gouge-after-shock-diagnosis/PDPLDXTTRVGBVIND6KL4SKOPTE/
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February 28, 2024 3:12pm
- MCōs
  
  They paid the surcharge, but thought it was excessive & Air NZ came round to their way of thinking
  
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  February 28, 2024 6:00pm
Sequel

Ladies and Gentlemen. There’s a rumour doing the rounds that Ayesha Verrall is in line to be running one of Otago University’s academic divisions!!
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February 28, 2024 3:19pm
- kevn
  
  Sequel… Did Maggie Pie tell you? Via the Viaduct.
  
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  February 28, 2024 4:06pm
  - Sequel
    
    Sadly no. I am but a humble functionary in Dunedin. I wouldn’t presume to be part of such exalted company 🙂
    
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    February 28, 2024 4:38pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Labour retirement home!!!
  
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  February 28, 2024 6:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She’ll be on a better wicket than just an MP’s salary..
    
    With her qualifications and work experience, she is currently on a lousy wage now……plus she is an ex-OU Student President.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayesha_Verrall
    
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    February 28, 2024 10:09pm
fernglas

Just watched Winston on the news. His Botox is very good. I can’t be so kind about his hair colourist.
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February 28, 2024 6:10pm
rouppe

Couple flies business premium from New York to Auckland, paying US$23,407 for the tickets.

They did not buy travel insurance.

After getting FREE gallstones surgery in Christchurch, and discovering a cancerous tumour they are complaining that air NZ didn’t give them a free change to return early.

What. The. Fuck.

1. I had gallbladder removed a few years ago, it cost around $10,000 nz. What are we doing giving for free to this person when we can’t even supply enough operations for our own people
2. What kind of person spends $50,000 NZD on airfares, doesn’t buy travel insurance and then moans about it.
3. Then air nz CAVES and refunds them!
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February 28, 2024 6:10pm
- MCōs
  
  Did you actually read the article?
  It doesn’t say she had free gall stone surgery
  Also
  They were expecting to pay a fee to change their tickets
  As it happens the woman has terminal cancer with four months to live according to her husband on Checkpoint
  He’d paid $13,000 to change the tickets and was pissed off at what he thought was the excessive amount plus the run-a-round from customer service
  He wouldn’t be the first
  
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  February 28, 2024 9:28pm
  - rouppe
    
    Yes I did. I wonder whether you did.
    
    No mention of paying for anything to do with the surgery. Generally the nz health system does not have the processes to charge for people that present at hospital. That’s why ED is usually over crowded with people who could be dealt with by their gp.
    
    A change fee is different to a fare difference. For example I flew back from Europe in January. This included a domestic flight between Christchurch and wellington. I had bought “flexi-change” tickets. When my international flight was delayed I had to change that leg.
    Flexi change has “no change fee” but it still cost me over $200 to move the booking from a Friday to the following Monday. Maybe I should have whine about how there was a storm in Europe that wasn’t expected.
    
    Maybe you should get some real world experience.
    
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    February 29, 2024 7:39am
Paul

Reality check…
https://youtu.be/f_lRdkH_QoY
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February 28, 2024 9:38pm
Jethrod

Just listening to Parliamentary debate on tobacco…… the opposition is just making utterly ridiculous suggestions to the name, it seems like a filibuster to waste time in urgency. The 5th or 6th speaker in the last 20 minutes …..it is just CRAP
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February 28, 2024 10:05pm
- Ghost
  
  Hipkins was asking the government where is your moral compass.
  
  The man has shown over and over that he lacks a moral compass.
  
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  February 28, 2024 10:14pm
Jethrod

I didn’t see him….. I think he was at home having cocoa.
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