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Tasman devil

Update: The next Labour Party Prime Minister still not born.
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February 25, 2024 8:03am
- imalwaysright
  
  Tasman
  
  That will be Arderns abortion laws kicking in.
  
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  February 25, 2024 9:27am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Hmm, I reckon you should plan on 2032 for the most left wing government ever. Will Australia beckon?
  
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  February 25, 2024 11:03am
  - MCōs
    
    Be hard to beat the Muldoon era for big government, if that’s a symptom of socialism
    
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    February 25, 2024 11:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We shall never forget.
    
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    February 25, 2024 12:02pm
  - Matt Long
    
    National under Erica Stanford, most left wing ever?
    Possibly, but also possible that New Zealand will wake up to the cost of socialism and swing right.
    
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    February 25, 2024 12:35pm
    - KH
      
      Matt Long. Question. Tell us why you think Erica Stanford is left.
      
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      February 25, 2024 2:07pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Erica Stanford now has the education portfolio, rather than going through the ministry like a dose of salts to restore education standards in New Zealand, it’s steady as sheep goes.
        Erica Stanford who thought Green MP Efaso Collins would be a good fit for National?
        
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        February 25, 2024 3:47pm
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    The reason I mention Australia is that I and a friend (who is a former National MP) regularly debate whether we and our respective families would go and live in Australia if the next Left government had a 2% (or more) wealth tax on everything other than ones residence.
    
    I predict a future Left government will have something like that, given the likely composition of such a government. I also think that many of the generation currently aged between 25 and 40 will still not own a home, and they and their children will be a bigger percentage of voters than they are now. They won’t care about a wealth tax, since it only affects those who have a home and a respectable level of assets above that. It is hardly a concern for those who can’t/won’t buy their own home.
    
    In 2032 we would both be 80. Would we worry enough about a wealth tax at that stage, particularly given that is going to only last the life of that Left government.
    
    It is pretty obvious why we nominate the next Left government as being elected in 2032 since that is 9 years from 2023. You have to go back to the Holyoake era since there was last a 12 year government.
    
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    February 25, 2024 6:32pm
- Ghost
  
  Depends, the books are mess, it will take a long time to fix what Ardern and Robertson did. Question is will the voters blame the current govt for how bad the books still are at the next election and give labour a foot in
  
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  February 25, 2024 12:05pm
  - AitchW
    
    It was inevitable that the last government would leave the cupboard bare and lots of ticking time bombs. Labour governments always do. Remember Cullen gloating about leaving the incoming National government with a cluster to deal with?
    They’re vindictive pricks….
    
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    February 25, 2024 1:09pm
G152

For some strange reason Aljazeera has fallen back on the shock horror reporting where the connection wih the ‘reporter’ on site has a bad connection and the front person does a panic panic in maintaining a connection.
Then next item and perfect connection with the same person and no panic no faulty connection….
REALLY ??????????????????????
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February 25, 2024 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  Could his firing an anti tank rocket have interfered with his link?
  
  ‘Al Jazeera journalist is also a Hamas commander, IDF says
  Laptop found in Gaza base contains documents and images showing Mohamed Washah is a senior operative in terror group’s anti-tank forces and did research for air unit, military says’
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/al-jazeera-journalist-is-also-a-hamas-commander-idf-says/
  
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  February 25, 2024 10:07am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Kow,
    
    Imagine the reporter starting his piece to camera declaring a “conflict of interest”!
    
    (Or an interest in conflict)
    
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    February 25, 2024 11:00am
- SoloView
  
  @ G152
  
  The second item could have been prerecorded rather than live.
  
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  February 25, 2024 10:20am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3lmazDSxFo
Texas Building Military Base on Southern Border!
Texas has its own army, and they’re guarding what used to be a processing center for illegals.
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February 25, 2024 8:21am
- Lee C
  
  And this:
  https://youtu.be/J7RH_Lz58Ro
  “Freedom isn’t free.”
  
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  February 25, 2024 9:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ex Democrat, now Independent. She was always in the wrong Party.
    She is also one of the six on the short list for Vice President.
    
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    February 25, 2024 10:08am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Is that Tulsi Gabbard
      
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      February 25, 2024 10:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Click the link G. It is bloody interesting.
        
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        February 25, 2024 10:59am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What link
      
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      February 25, 2024 12:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Youtube link by Lee C
        
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        February 26, 2024 7:39am
- kowtow
  
  Biden putting pressure on Canada to stop the flood of Mexicans coming across the northern border …..while he refuses to enforce the border with Mexico itself .
  You can’t make this shit up.
  
  btw I reckon the mass illegal migration lunacy and all its many consequences will be the reason Trump gets the biggest voter turnout ( but not necessarily the most votes counted ,again)
  
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  February 25, 2024 10:11am
  - JackRabbit
    
    USA, the once birthplace of the Constitution and the bastion of the free world, will be come a dystopian hell hole, Mad Max style.
    
    Perhaps John Carpenter was a prophetic visionary with the movies, Escape from New York, and Escape from L.A. And of course not forgetting Zombies, dawn of the Dead, and The Walking Dead, a prophetic look at a future with humans turned into zombies created by mass injection of DNA altering substances.
    
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    February 25, 2024 11:45am
  - Che Guava
    
    Legal immigration from non-White countries has exactly the same effect on demographics as illegal immigration does. While having an open border policy is a disaster and should disqualify the those implementing it from holding office, it is legal immigration that has contributed the most in the White population’s dropping from 90% to about 60% in only 50 or 60 years. Unless all such immigration is halted indefinitely, the US will be Balkanised in short order.
    
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    February 25, 2024 12:31pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMVdejNwj-U
Protesters in Nigeria are calling for a military coup against Tinubu due to the high cost of living.
Nigeria is facing a severe economic crisis, triggering protests and concerns about a potential military coup.
• The Chief of Defence Staff warns against such insinuations and emphasizes the Armed Forces’ commitment to protecting democracy.
• President Bola Tinubu is under intense scrutiny to fulfill campaign promises amid high living costs and economic challenges. [I don’t recall seeing this on One Ewes.]
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February 25, 2024 8:22am
- Don Beckett
  
  Also in northern Nigeria, the killing of Christians by Muslim extremists – 1,000 a month are being killed, and Tinubu is doing little about it. You don’t see that on One Ewes either.
  
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  February 25, 2024 10:20am
  - Matt Long
    
    They do mention a rise of Islamophobia around the world. Weird really.
    
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    February 25, 2024 12:38pm
- GJM
  
  Nigeria is a wealthy country. There are hundred
  S, if not thousands of Nigerians that have millions of dollars to give away to total strangers in the internet. Maybe the government could ask them for funding.
  
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  February 25, 2024 3:25pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Auckland is built on an active volcanic plain. Rangitoto emerged just a blink of an eye ago, in geologic terms. It never ceases to amaze me that anyone lives anywhere near the place.

Just saying.
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February 25, 2024 8:27am
- CJames
  
  No-one knows when or where the next volcano would erupt. But it will. About the only thing that can be said is it is most likely to occur where was a volcano previously (remember a lot are gone as they got turned into fill).
  Think what would happen if the next eruption is under spaghetti junction? Won’t have to worry about CBD or central Auckland’s traffic problems any more.
  
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  February 25, 2024 9:24am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yep. Makes you wonder why there’s such a hoo-harr about Wellington’s fault lines. I mean, a good shake will turn the place into damp rubble, but at least it won’t be incinerated by a pyroclastic flow or drowned in lava.
    
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    February 25, 2024 9:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Auckland’s volcanoes appear to be monogenetic. With perhaps the exception of Rangitoto, none have erupted twice.
    
    There is no pattern in the distribution of the ages of the volcanoes… expect the next eruption to be somewhere within or close to the existing volcanic field.
    
    https://aucklanduniversitypress.co.nz/volcanoes-of-auckland-the-essential-guide/
    p.31-32
    
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    February 25, 2024 9:51am
    - Paulus
      
      I would look slightly further North towards Leigh next ~!
      
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      February 25, 2024 10:08am
  - backster
    
    Suspicious Observers (750,000 subscribers) rates NZ most dangerous country in the world calamity wise. Volcanicly 2nd behind Italy. When Mt Taupo last erupted 25,000 years ago it covered the country in ash 9ft deep,and wiped out all life. Question is when not if it erupt again. q=mt+taupo+eruption&sca_esv=72ff9969706166be&rlz=1C1CHWA_enNZ614NZ614&sxsrf=ACQVn09BIqsvFUWom8R83TAysMMwAzLc9A%3A170881
    
    [Mod – please post your link again and I will fix it for you]
    
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    February 25, 2024 11:29am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I thought the Taupo eruption was much more recent than 25,000 years ago – I have read 4,000 – 7,000 years ago.
      
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      February 25, 2024 1:32pm
    - CJames
      
      Taupo caldera last erupted AD232 – I think they even know the date within a couple of months. vent site was Horomatangi reef. Return period for eruptions is a nominal 1000 years. However, many of its eruptions have been similar size to Ruapehu in the 90s.
      
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      February 25, 2024 3:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We are part of the “Ring of Fire.”
  Volcanoes and earthquakes can happen ant time, anywhere on that Ring. The Pacific Plate is moving over the Tasman Plate all the time.
  
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  February 25, 2024 10:12am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I bet the Greens will blame CO2.
    
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    February 25, 2024 10:17am
    - AitchW
      
      Or Israel.
      
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      February 25, 2024 1:11pm
      - Chris R
        
        And Trump of course!
        
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        February 25, 2024 5:58pm
  - CJames
    
    Actually Steve, it is the Pacific plate subducting under the Tasman plate. Down in Fiordland it is the other way round.
    
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    February 25, 2024 10:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I thought the Southern Alps were the Pacific Plate. The pressure creates metamorphic rocks (greenstone/jade)
      The google machine explains, you are correct. The two plate create different results in different parts of NZ.
      
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      February 25, 2024 11:01am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Yep. Which is why the North Island has the offshore Hikurangi Trench while the South Island has the Alps.
      
      Guess which lucky city is located closest to the twist point!
      
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      February 25, 2024 1:17pm
- MCōs
  
  Mt Mangere on the slopes of which I live, last erupted around 50,000yrs ago
  If it can hold off for another twenty years that should see me through, I’m picking
  
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  February 25, 2024 12:03pm
Tom Hunter

Good advice for every shade of Right-Winger, in this case supplied by an atheist commenting on the latest bullshit being pushed by US Leftists, Christian Nationalism (Dunn, dunn, DAAHHHH).

Don’t take the bait. Cut the line

Back in 2012 with Mitt Romney as the GOP candidate it was “Dominionism”, which I doubt even 1 in 10,000 leftists could define but was the label du jour.
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February 25, 2024 8:38am
- Swifty
  
  “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
  
  https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
  
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  February 25, 2024 9:40am
  - Paulus
    
    As this was said in 1776 Treaty of Independence, some century before the Treaty of Waitangi, why was it not in Maori ?
    
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    February 25, 2024 10:12am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maori were not there, they were here in NZ.
      Indigenous remember.//
      
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      February 25, 2024 11:08am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Nah mate, Maoris had been al around the world, Antarctica, Arctic Circle, Mount Everest. Jeez, they even built Noah’s Arc. ///
        
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        February 25, 2024 11:49am
      - Ghost
        
        Māori are the great travellers of our time. They’ve even travelled in space as evidenced by this Photo from another planet
        
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        February 25, 2024 11:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        See the neat taiaha in that alien photo.
        
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        February 25, 2024 12:16pm
- leoj
  
  USA dodged a bullet with Romney as potential president.
  
  What an absolute turnpike as a senator. He would be much happier in the Democrat party.
  
  Thankfully he is going to be turfed out next time and good riddance too.
  
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  February 25, 2024 9:46am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

May as well start with some climate change bullshit.
The Noddies out there truly believe this, but where is all the water gong to come from?
Antarctica? Not enough. Can’t be the North Pole, that water is already displaced.
Maybe aliens are going to dump their water on Earth to save their own planet? Stupid, why don’t they just invade this planet? The author of this article might be one of them!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/a-look-at-earth-in-2050-if-climate-change-isn-t-stopped/ss-AA1fIlmk#interstitial=10
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February 25, 2024 8:39am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Steve, most so called deniers such as Dr Curry, Dr Koonin and Dr Moore accept the fact that human emissions cause some increase in global warming and sea level rise as a result. The difference with them is that they do not believe there is a climate emergency.
  
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  February 25, 2024 8:56am
  - Cassandra
    
    It’s a plausible theory but remans just that. The recent Norwegian research which shows that CO2 has reached saturation point demonstrates the futility of shooting ourselves in the foot. And there’s counter evidence that it might just be a load of nonsense. At most NZ should follow the lead of our trading partners. Make a big noise if you have to but don’t spend any more than the minimum. And protect NZ agriculture!
    
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    February 25, 2024 9:03am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Interesting statement by professor Clapper that new climate computer models are designed to agree with existing models, or preferably predict a more dire outcome.
    
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    February 25, 2024 9:36am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Most computer models for Climate Change are produced by Artificial Intelligence. i.e. people who have no native intelligence, but whose calculations are based on assumptions. Assumptions that are provided along with funding.
      
      “Our generous donors must be right in what they say, that planet earth will be under 10 feet of water by ~~2000~~ ~~2010~~ ~~2020~~ 2030. I mean who would be stupid enough to give us $1M to study global warming if it wasn’t true.”
      
      “Jacinda Ardern was not stupid. She gave our department $1.3M to say that 80,000 people would die from Covid. I mean who would be stupid enough to give us all that money if it wasn’t true.”
      
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      February 25, 2024 11:58am
- John Loveridge
  
  So all they can come up with is some shittily Photoshopped images of landmarks to frighten the millennials with?
  
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  February 25, 2024 9:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The gullible believe all that shit.
    Global Warming has been happening since way before the Industrial Revolution.
    I refer to Exit Glacier, Seward, Alaska which I have been to twice. Many moons before man started burning fossil fuels the glacier face used to go into the ocean at Resurrection Bay, some 12+ miles away.
    
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    February 25, 2024 9:43am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Sweet Jesus! The article mentions that many studies claim there could be a 3C global temperature rise by 2050 if we don’t “Climate Change!”.
  What a pile of shite!
  
  I think I’ll toss that in the same bin that claims Auckland’s sea level will rise 30cm within a decade.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/05/alarming-new-statistics-reveal-new-zealand-s-sea-level-could-rise-30cm-in-next-10-to-20-years.html
  I don’t even know what to make of that article because it seems to be suggesting that we need to stop “Climate Change!”, when a large chunk of the “sea level rise” is actually subsidence, which no amount of net zero-ifying will stop, even if we thought net zero itself wasn’t a pile of shite.
  
  Why are we expected to treat this nonsense seriously? Will any of the people making these bullshit predictions ever suffer any consequences?
  
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  February 25, 2024 10:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    300cm if they are using that roving decimal point.
    Serious, some believed sea level in Auckland would rise 10 feet!
    It does, twice a day, it is called the tide! Sometime I just don’t know if they are taking the piss or just plain stupid.
    
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    February 25, 2024 11:49am
    - JackRabbit
      
      And according to tide gauges all over the world, the rate of sea level rise has not changed from the approx 1.5mm per year, due to exiting the last ice age.
      
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      February 25, 2024 12:01pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The fact is it could happen but not because of CO2. Many underwater volcanoes near Antarctica could become active.
    
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    February 25, 2024 1:58pm
- Grunter
  
  The scamsters are getting desperate and threatening more boiling. Pure scare tactics of course (we see you!)
  
  And not one plausible solution. But we do need more central planning to tell you how to live your life!
  
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  February 25, 2024 10:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tax is the solution, just ask any screwed up Greenie.
    
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    February 25, 2024 11:51am
- Sacha
  
  Don’t schools teach about the ‘water cycle’ any more?
  
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  February 25, 2024 11:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That would be science. Teachers don’t know about science anymore.
    Marxist indoctrination is all the go these days.
    
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    February 25, 2024 11:53am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Yes, geography 1.0
    
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    February 25, 2024 12:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump threatens biggest stock market crash in history if he loses.
Maybe this is what Joe a Co want – to trash America. Nikki Haley the RINO carries on against Trump when she has no show at all. She is now with Joe.
Trump will be the nominee – stuff the RINOs.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-threatens-biggest-stock-market-crash-in-history-if-he-loses/ss-BB1iOLvM
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February 25, 2024 8:56am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I watched Trumps address to CPAC.
  
  He is threatening the end of western Civilisation, as well as a stock Market Crash, and WW3 if he is not elected.
  
  If you listen to him rant, and don’t, even for a moment, ask yourself if this man actually thinks that, then I urge you to apply the same measures of competence to Trump as you would Biden.
  
  FWIW, I think neither of them should be anywhere near the Oval Office, and America deserves far better than the 2 front runners from the major parties
  
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  February 25, 2024 9:19am
- MCōs
  
  He’s probably forgotten he said something similar last time
  “Trump warns of a ‘market crash the likes of which has not been seen before’ if he loses 2020 election”
  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-15/trump-warns-of-epic-stock-market-crash-if-he-s-not-re-elected
  
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  February 25, 2024 9:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump is just gathering up a few more of the undecided. He will be POTUS very easily.
    I am still waiting for the Commenter/Mod ‘Batman’ to come back with his list and tell Trump supporters they are wrong.
    
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    February 25, 2024 9:47am
  - backster
    
    In that time the NZ market slumped fron 13,500 to 11,500 $NZ worth 74 cents US today about 61 and the US market is now about the same.
    
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    February 25, 2024 11:38am
pdm

Stuff Headline says:

`Wet Sunday forecast for areas across the Motu’

Only a bit of drizzle in Hastings so I guess that the good rain is centered on Motu about 80ks N/W of Gisborne.
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February 25, 2024 9:33am
- MCōs
  
  It’s raining in Auckland
  When will we ever see the sun again?
  
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  February 25, 2024 9:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, we’ve had 2mm here in Gizzy this morning.
  First rain for 3 and a half weeks.
  
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  February 25, 2024 9:54am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Had rain in Tauranga for a couple of hours – clear at the moment but with more rain forecaste.
    I’m still wondering about El Nino – I definitely think he has been emasculated by La Nina.
    
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    February 25, 2024 10:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, his balls are in La Nina’s purse.
      
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      February 25, 2024 11:56am
    - BananaLlama
      
      Told there would be a drought so i sent some of my cull to auction early and got the worst bids i have seen in a decade only for it to rain all through summer instead.
      
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      February 25, 2024 12:22pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Perfect day in Wellington .
  
  Are these the same forecasters who do the hundred year predictions?
  
  Perhaps the same ones who didn’t see the billions of tonnes of rainwater heading for Auckland last year?
  
  The same ones who withhold historical flood data from councils who then allow building consents?
  
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  February 25, 2024 10:08am
  - Prince
    
    When it rains in Wellington, it rains in Wellington.
    When it rains in Auckland, in rains across something called the ‘Motu’.
    
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    February 25, 2024 3:51pm
- Paulus
  
  I cannot find this bloody place, we keep hearing about, called Motu, anywhere on my New Zealand Maps !
  
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  February 25, 2024 10:15am
  - Ghost
    
    Maybe this can help 🙂
    
    Motu
    noun
    1.
    a member of a Melanesian people of Papua New Guinea inhabiting the area around Port Moresby.
    2.
    the language of the Motu, the base of a pidgin known as Hiri Motu or (formerly) Police Motu, widely used as a lingua franca for administrative purposes.
    adjective
    relating to the Motu or their language.
    
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    February 25, 2024 10:40am
    - Don Beckett
      
      The Motu river flows out to the sea between Opotiki & Whanarua Bay. 🙂
      
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      February 25, 2024 1:40pm
- rouppe
  
  Blue skies and light breeze in Porirua
  
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  February 25, 2024 11:00am
  - lifesgood
    
    Delighted to have a bit of rain today in Auckland…just showers really but heavy enough to water our parched gardens. We have had a glorious summer so don’t mind a shower or two.
    
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    February 25, 2024 1:42pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      There must be cricket at Eden Park
      
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      February 25, 2024 5:26pm
Grunter

Fox News interview with Zelensky. It’s always interesting seeing a face to face interview with the supposed ‘leaders’

You make up your own conclusions, but some interesting takeouts. See if you can spot the gaps in his logic…..

Zelensky said the following:

1. Russia have AirPower superiority.
2. Russia have manpower superiority.
3. Ukraine have a serious lack of ammo, particularly the critical 155mm shells
4. Russia have recently breached the front line in the east and are advancing west.
5. Despite all this, Ukraine are winning the war and have killed 5 times as many Russians vs Ukraine deaths. Over 400,000 Russians have been killed.
6. Ukraine will never surrender. A new offensive will soon begin and they will push Russia out of Ukraine.
7. The world wants peace.

https://youtu.be/oUSglsQ8owU?feature=shared
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February 25, 2024 10:10am
- imalwaysright
  
  Grunter,
  
  Z is from the same spawn as adern. They are willing to destroy a country for personal gain.
  
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  February 25, 2024 10:52am
- Che Guava
  
  Yeah, apparently the Russians are losing in Eastern Ukraine, but there is also a real threat that they intend to conquer Europe. Send more money now.
  
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  February 25, 2024 12:42pm
  - Grunter
    
    Yep, this scam (Ukraine) is now a lot worse than the Global Boiling scam IMO. If Zelensky keeps on throwing unequipped armies into the meat grinder he will quite soon have nothing left to defend the west of his country. But he is not going to give up by the sounds of it.
    
    I predict he will do something very stupid out of pure desperation soon. He needs to get NATO directly into the war if he has any chance of pushing Russia out. But that is a total psychopath move.
    
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    February 25, 2024 2:25pm
- NothingLeft
  
  The stupid thing with the 155mm shells is that you could spit out about 20 a day using a $100k CNC lathe and billet steel, at a cost of a few hundred $ each. $50 million worth of lathes available almost immediately could solve Ukraines ammo shortage at far lower cost. (155mm shells are currently going for $2-8k USD)
  
  But the arms industry is so fixated on business-as-usual expensive and years-long lead billion dollar shell forging + machining factories created using slow-moving western industrial base that they haven’t stopped to consider fast to implement manufacturing processes with slightly higher production costs. Or perhaps they are aware but prefer the cost plus profits of building big ammo factories
  
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  February 25, 2024 4:20pm
Tasman devil

Update: The next Labour Party Prime Minister has just been born at home to proud parents Mary (Ngati pompous, Ngai born to rule) and Holly ( Ngati self- righteous and Ngati self-important) in Remuera.

Mothers and child are all well. No father was required.

The parents want their baby it to decide it’s own gender.

Donations to Remuera carbon reduction trust are requested.
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February 25, 2024 10:13am
greybeard

How about that Scotland Rugby team !
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February 25, 2024 10:15am
- Cassandra
  
  Now you’re talking!
  McCassandra🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿✔️🥃
  
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  February 25, 2024 10:25am
- slijmbal
  
  @greybeard – The hat trick by MacVan der Merwe from the famous South African clan appeared to do the trick ……
  
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  February 25, 2024 11:17am
  - mawm
    
    Those were the Mackatinis.
    
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    February 25, 2024 6:03pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They smashed the poms
  
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  February 25, 2024 12:04pm
kowtow

Fisiani

A carry over from yesterday and your comments on Dunblane.

I’m fascinated .

Could it be because the pro Union side see the “Green” side ( and that includes Catholic , immigrant ,republican , even potentially pro IRA types ) as separatists who support the SNP radicals , in which case it’s not inherently racist or anti Celt , it’s basically politics .
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February 25, 2024 10:28am
- pdm
  
  Not sure of the significance of Dunblane kowtow probably because I have not seen fisiani’s comment of yesterday.
  
  I have a cousin and her family living in Dunblane and our first visit there was in September 1977. Have been back several times since.
  
  One of my cousins granddaughters was in the school corridor waiting to enter the room where it all happened. She (the grandaughter) committed suicide about 10/12 years ago reason being attributed to the trauma of that day.
  
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  February 25, 2024 11:06am
  - kowtow
    
    pdm
    
    Sorry , been busy.
    
    Here it is.
    
    ‘Fisiani2
    This nonsense is so ridiculous that you have to question the sanity of people who claim racism is inherent in the countryside. It’s like the town of Dunblane in Scotland which is so anti-Irish and anti Celtic that the green traffic lights are either smashed or painted blue. The Subway store has a different paint colour than every other Subway store. They even asked the council if the grass in the park could be changed colour. Some humans are so extreme they lose touch with reality.’
    
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    February 25, 2024 8:55pm
- Jinky
  
  No it’s because they are soapdodging, bluenose Rangers fans.
  
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  February 25, 2024 2:11pm
Maggie Pie

The best thing about Church introducing Eftpos, is at least they can see exactly what your Offering was and who gave it. A few years ago when you put a folded up fiddy in the plate, the worry was if it would make it to the end of the row.

And talking about ‘donations’, a bestie tweeted this earlier 🙁
“Imagine the income if say 5 of them were smart enough to get together and live in the same house. They’d have over quater-of-a-mill every year, courtesy of the taxpayer”!!

https://twitter.com/TANIWHA87/status/1761208103377494322
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February 25, 2024 10:51am
- imalwaysright
  
  M.p
  
  Praywave?
  
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  February 25, 2024 12:02pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀
    
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    February 25, 2024 12:24pm
Ghost

Six of the Comanchero motorcycle gang’s distinctive Harley-Davidson motorbikes have been turned into scrap metal in a first of its kind court order.

Article

Hmmm, I think this needs Nelson Muntz
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February 25, 2024 10:55am
- Ghost
  
  The coalition Government says now is the time to “take action” on gangs, announcing new legislation to ban all gang insignia in public places and create greater powers to stop them from gathering in groups and communicating.
  
  Article
  
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  February 25, 2024 11:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Gold plated too, they should have sold them and kept the money
  
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  February 25, 2024 12:06pm
  - rouppe
    
    They are so distinctive, whoever bought them would have been required to “donate” them back to the gang.
    
    But if the gold plating was actually gold rather than just gold paint, surely stripping that off and selling it would have been sensible.
    
    Mind you the video doesn’t show any actual crushing. Odd that the license plates are still attached too rather than being canceled and returned to W… NZTA.
    
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    February 25, 2024 1:36pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Export them.
      
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      February 25, 2024 4:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wow, that Coster guy is one tough dude, we must keep him at all costs.
  He destroyed six bad motorcycles – oh with the help of a Court Order.
  Don’t remember him being that tough in the last six years though.
  
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  February 25, 2024 12:09pm
  - DimChappie
    
    Yes Steve, I just emailed a mate about this. What a difference the Coalition are making – a word from above and Coster clamps down. Who knew he was just waiting for a change of leadership to get tough on crime. New knickname required ASAP.
    
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    February 25, 2024 12:22pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Bosster
      
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      February 25, 2024 12:30pm
      - mawm
        
        “Crusher” can be recycled.
        
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        February 25, 2024 6:05pm
      - double d
        
        Cruster
        
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        February 26, 2024 3:00am
    - Ghost
      
      I think we need to look at the directions departments went with their ministers. Take the Real Estate Authority. Under their minister Kiri Allan, Māori indoctrination came into the profession. We had 6 police ministers in the Ardern/Hipkins government, a government that wanted to reduce prison population, were gang friendly.
      
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      February 25, 2024 12:31pm
      - Paulus
        
        Kirimate would want prison reduction because I believe she has a brother in Para on a Capital conviction.
        
        [Eric Ara Mete – Allen’s half-brother. mod.]
        
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        February 25, 2024 1:26pm
    - Matt Long
      
      New nickname for Coaster?
      Te Elliot Ness.
      
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      February 25, 2024 3:14pm
      - Keith White
        
        Te Cosy.
        
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        February 25, 2024 8:54pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Crusher Coster
      
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      February 26, 2024 7:44am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    They’re saying Mitch is considering him for a transfer to Opotiki.
    
    Sole charge 😎
    
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    February 25, 2024 12:29pm
  - igm
    
    Notice they were neither Mongrel Mob nor Black Power. Are they still operating with impunity?
    
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    February 25, 2024 6:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

There is one cure, sack them. It does not matter what the redundancy cost is, if the Public Sector will not do as Govt Ministers instruct them, they have to go. They will not change. DCM now, before the trouble starts. That goes from the top down. For too long the deadwood has been doing this.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/we-have-a-problem-brainwashed-bureaucrats-are-not-obeying-what-mps-are-instructing-them-to-do/
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February 25, 2024 10:55am
- peterwn
  
  The opposite happened where I worked years ago. Labour government elected and Norm Kirk told his new Ministers not to take any nonsense from public servants. New Electricity Minister succumbed to lobbying from Greenies etc and ordered the Department to put limitations on hydro station operations. The Assistant General Manager knew better than to argue and would telephone the hydro station superintendents directly to tell them the restrictions that had to be applied. After several months the oil bill for the Marsden Power Station went through the roof, and at a time when oil was in short supply on the world markets and prices were high. Treasury told the Finance Minister something had to be done and the hapless Minister was sidelined and the restrictions eased. Yes the public servants did exactly what they were told to, never mind that the Minister did not see it coming.
  
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  February 25, 2024 8:12pm
Jack5

Great short Sunday video for those who love words, and specifically today does “Welsh” mean “slaves”, and how England got its name from German-Scandinavian settlers.

A brief advertisement about 5minutes in, but that’s the price you often pay for a free video on Youtube:

https://youtu.be/aXAjMlTO7Dc?si=25GsDhvfXPBlI1wj
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February 25, 2024 10:56am
Bridgenag

Bellingcat is part of Global Investigative
Journalism Network and well worth a look.

They use volunteers as well as specialists. Hope you don’t think this article is too long. certainly interesting.

Over the years, Bellingcat’s team has shared new tools and techniques with the help of the wider open source community. They’ve been invaluable in our investigations on Ukraine. Here are five particularly innovative examples:
It’s all in the stitching. While camouflage patterns match, the way that camouflage fabric is cut, arranged and stitched can help identify specific uniforms. Bellingcat researcher Michael Sheldon used this technique to investigate a redacted photo of a man holding a severed head in Syria. The same uniform had been worn by a notorious Russian neo-Nazi who fought in eastern Ukraine.

Look at the smoke. NASA’s FIRMS tool detects anomalous heat signatures, many of which can be caused by military activity. As Michael found in the same piece, a large smoke plume in an image can provide a clue as to when it was taken by searching the area on FIRMS.

Pierce through the clouds. When ships turn off their transponders and ‘go dark’, they disappear from online ship tracking websites. When it’s cloudy, you may not see them on satellite imagery. So when tracking a Russian ship smuggling stolen Ukrainian grain which had disappeared in this way, we used Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR). Much like a bat emits ‘sonar’ to detect images in its path, this satellite data can show the lay of the land even in the darkest moments.

Save often, save early. Useful footage online is often deleted. Sometimes it’s the user, sometimes it’s the platform, as such content violates standards on violent imagery. This is where our auto-archiver tool comes in, saving crucial imagery documenting civilian harm in Ukraine and other warzones worldwide.

Cut those corners. Geolocation is a game of patience, but the Open Street Map Search Tool by our colleague Logan Williams allows you to narrow down a search area by selecting visible features listed in Open Street Map. It’s also been invaluable in our work on Ukraine and Russia.
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February 25, 2024 11:00am
Maggie Pie

People are asking….. “Who’s Jill sleeping with?”

https://mol.im/a/13115115
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February 25, 2024 11:09am
- Vory v zakone
  
  https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1761150764137751020?t=lB1Z40rZaHnSzAYNyWimng&s=19
  
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  February 25, 2024 9:17pm
imalwaysright

Haven’t seen any Mormons on bikes for years.
Have they given up on us?
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February 25, 2024 11:10am
- peterwn
  
  They are busy slugging it out with Chinese government operatives in Samoa etc.
  
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  February 25, 2024 5:21pm
Maggie Pie

And my partner was wondering which of the 2 Police Officers permanently stationed in the Mongrel Nob stronghold of Opotiki, will take charge of enforcing the governments new gang legislation….. banning gang patches in public?

https://1news.co.nz/2024/02/25/gangs-rife-police-scarce-is-nationals-crime-crackdown-possible-in-opotiki/
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February 25, 2024 11:41am
- ds
  
  Will soon be 1.87 with the budget cut.
  
  There are around 9000 gang member in NZ, 3000 were a present from AUS. You would think with all the noise there are 90,000 or this just another distraction from our real issues.
  
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  February 25, 2024 12:09pm
rockape

I have been thinking today about my “ white privalage “. What I don’t understand is why all those who are part white, part Maori and feel that they are underprivileged don’t just identify as white and become part of the privileged class. As a side benefit they would also extend their health outcomes, live longer, increase their pay and lessen their chance of going to jail. It would. Seem a no brained. Surprised WillyJackson the Scott hasn’t thought of that.
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February 25, 2024 12:56pm
- rouppe
  
  If Chris Luxon made it a law under urgency, poverty would be instantly wiped out!
  
  Brilliant!
  
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  February 25, 2024 1:26pm
- mandk
  
  It’s because people like to enrich themselves by promoting the notion of victimhood, instead of using the blessings they have to make other people’s lives better.
  
  Just ask Debbie Ngawera-Packer (Colleen’s girl), John Tamihere (mother was a McEwen) and Willy Jackson (lots of Pakeha blood there).
  
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  February 25, 2024 2:52pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Remember when they revealed Willy’s DNA on that TV program?
    
    It came back as……. 34% Chinese and 25% Ashkenazi Jew. LOL!!
    
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    February 25, 2024 4:01pm
- Albie
  
  Rockape-An inspired observation, but there is a major flaw in your hypothesis. For those who wish to play the race game, identify brown and you’re in with a chance for free stuff. Identify white and you are going to have to get off your butt and work for it.
  
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  February 25, 2024 5:12pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Surprised WillyJackson the Scott hasn’t thought of that.
  
  Willie Jackson had one great, great grandfather who was born in Scotland; he had 15 other gggrandparents who weren’t of Scottish Heritage.
  
  https://ethnicelebs.com/willie-jackson
  
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  February 25, 2024 5:29pm
  - Swifty
    
    That article neglects to mention a lot of Willie’s whakapapa.
    
    For starters, it makes no mention of his Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga ancestors – those folk who in 1835 invaded, butchered or enslaved, and on occasion ate, the majority of Moriori who up until that time were living peacefully on the Chathams – wisely regarded as New Zealand’s only known example of genocidal acts.
    
    Jackson’s ties are so strong he represented and spoke of behalf of both those Iwi at the Moriori Claims Settlement ceremonies in 2021.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/456394/moriori-praised-for-dedication-patience-as-settlement-with-crown-becomes-law
    
    Willie is ok with it all though – he states in the article that he cannot be held responsible for the misdeeds of his ancestors.
    
    What a pity it is then that he can’t summon the courage to say the same about European New Zealanders living today.
    
    Sort of sums him up really, doesn’t it.
    
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    February 25, 2024 7:14pm
Jack5

While our media hypes up NZ technology, the big boys overseas are putting up real money.

Japan has just promised Taiwanese chip fabricator TSMC additional subsidies equivalent to $NZ7.8 billion.

The new funds were announced yesterday at the opening of TSMC’s first fabrication plant in Japan.

Reuters says the subsidies will lift the total investment in the two plants to more than $NZ32.2 billion.

Japan is also building what the agency calls a home-grown chip venture, named Rapidus, in Hokkaido.

TSMC, the world’s biggest chip firm after recently overtaking Intel and Samsung, does not design chips but manufactures them for design firms. Such producers’ plants are called “fabs,” for fabricators, or “foundries,” an old term copied from the iron and steel industry.

TSMC’s growth has been helped by Taiwan’s smart response to the Covid epidemic. Taiwan kept its businesses – and schools – open and working throughout.

TSMC is also developing two fabs in Arizona in an $NZ64.5 billion investment. TSMC has pushed out the opening date of the first plant from this year to next year, blaming lack of specialised labor, licensing issues, and COVID-19.

The only chipmaker based in the US, Global Foundries, has received a $NZ2.4 billion US Government grant to set up a “fab” in New York state.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/tokyo-pledges-further-49-bln-help-tsmc-expand-japan-production-2024-02-24/
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February 25, 2024 1:10pm
- Jack5
  
  Whoops! Global Foundries isn’t the only American-owned chip maker in the US.
  
  Intel manufactures chips at four US foundries it owns. It has another six overseas, with another two planned (in Germany and Poland). Its production has still been overtaken by TSMC.
  
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  February 25, 2024 8:12pm
- Ghost
  
  This will interest you
  
  https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/20/texas-becomes-chip-hub-with-47-billion-investment-from-samsung-and-ti.html
  
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  February 25, 2024 8:20pm
  - Jack5
    
    Thanks for that, Ghost.
    
    Chip-making rivalry is the most exciting action in world industry, with demand soaring for the artificial-intelligence boom.
    
    Intel is claiming, that by 2026, it will take from TSMC the lead as maker of the world’s fastest chips.
    
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    February 25, 2024 9:21pm
rouppe

Judge Denise Clark allows Tuumanako Zaviar Tawha to avoid jail simply by offering to engage in a restorative justice meeting.

At least Judge Tini Clark wasn’t fooled by Reece Whatarau, saying that the restorative justice meeting was just to try and get a lighter sentence.
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February 25, 2024 1:22pm
- Matt Long
  
  Tuumanako has a history of achievement, he’s already successfully served a home detention sentence.
  Unfortunately that didn’t deter him from violent cowardly crime.
  
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  February 25, 2024 3:21pm
Ghost

Attention stuff. Stuff quality reporters need a job

Having once been valued at $5.7 billion (in 2017), and acquired out of bankruptcy last year by a consortium including George Soros, the company announced plans to cut hundreds of jobs and has – as of 14 hours ago – stopped publishing on Vice.com.

Article
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February 25, 2024 1:25pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone watch the Outsiders this morning? It was very interesting.
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February 25, 2024 2:02pm
ecco

Some light Sunday reading for you all with Hdpa on the nzh. An honest appraisal of Grant Robertson’s abysmal tenure as finance minister.
Promptly got 331 comments all calling out Robertson for the damage he has caused nz.

So the Nzh editor promptly removes any trace of that article off their front page of their website and comments are closed.
That just tells me the public interest media bribe fund is alive and kicking. Didn’t someone say these blunt instruments have been paid up till 2026 by Labour. They are clearly hoping like hell the left get back in at the next election.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/grant-robertson-is-a-great-bloke-but-he-was-a-terrible-finance-minister-heather-du-plessis-allan
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February 25, 2024 3:06pm
- greybeard
  
  Jesus, that is unbelievable: do they think that no-one has copied the article for later reference?
  What will they do when HDPA comes on air tomorrow at 4pm ?
  I urge all readers to listen to her.
  
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  February 25, 2024 5:47pm
  - Ghost
    
    Article is still live, just a bad link
    
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    February 25, 2024 5:54pm
- Ghost
  
  No, they haven’t, you just have cut the link
  
  You cannot shorten nzherald links
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/grant-robertson-is-a-great-bloke-but-he-was-a-terrible-finance-minister-heather-du-plessis-allan/4DU6GCKPCJDBZIZDH75HWKQK3E/
  
  Article is still there
  
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  February 25, 2024 5:53pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…

Would there be a Countdown Supermarket anywhere
in the country that didn’t have a Rat infestation?

Asking for a friend.
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February 25, 2024 3:10pm
- mogg
  
  At all times, In any given town or city you are never more than two metre from a rat, often the two legged variety
  
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  February 25, 2024 3:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Two legged? Sorry, I don’t frequent Government or Council Offices.
    
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    February 25, 2024 5:19pm
- Lee C
  
  Don’t ‘Ask for a friend’ Maggie, David Garrett will start whinging.
  
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  February 25, 2024 4:22pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not my fault he doesn’t have any. Understandable tho’ 😀 😀 😀
    
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    February 25, 2024 4:33pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ouch! Here comes DG in 3, 2, 1, nope. LOL!
      
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      February 25, 2024 5:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Email from a relative. Sorry can’t link, so a copy and paste:

1. Recently – Otago University – the oldest in NZ, and founded with pure Scottish history by new immigrants – my ‘Alma Mater’ for my 6 years undergraduate study in Medicine, and where 2 grandchildren are recent graduates and 2 are presently attending there – has recently – ‘wait for it’ -unbelievably announced a name change to that of the invented Māori title of ‘Otakou Whakaihu’. Of course, Māori had a lot to do with the foundation of Otago University in 1869 – like ‘zilch’ !!!

TODAY we also hear the news that previous Deputy PM and Minister of Finance, Grant Roberson – after destroying our economy and putting NZ into a huge unbelievable debt position – is leaving politics to take up the position of no less than Vice Chancellor (the CEO) of the University of Otago !

One has to wonder as to the University of Otago Council who made these two decisions.

2. Today we also learn that St. John of NZ – now renamed ‘Hato Hone’ by its ‘Knights of St John’ administrators, is having to cut back on its services (largely government funded anyway) because of financial difficulties. It is understood that many longtime annual donors – including my family for 40 years- have ceased their contributions because of the change to a Māori name – which St John officially refuses to alter.

Can we believe that this ancient ‘order’ was founded by Monks in Jerusalem in about 1080 to provide first aid, healthcare, and support – especially to many pilgrims- and is a movement established in about 40 countries worldwide. My postgraduate teaching hospital in London founded in 1805 has had a 200 Year history of mutual cooperation with that of the St John hospital in Jerusalem.

We can see how intimately NZ Māori has had such an association with St John, that its name here has such justification to be now changed to ‘Hato Hone’ – with such tragic financial results !

Dr Hylton Le Grice

OK, so who then ultimately gave Robertson the job? This was in the making for two years I would say.
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February 25, 2024 5:17pm
Maggie Pie

WATCH LIVE… ‘Pride’ march up Queen St.

Intersex refugee Eliana Rubishtyn was there (he’s due to appear in Court on the 26th) along with a couple of Labor MP’s and a few from the Greens.

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1761584177747837401

(the other thing i noticed – Smith & Caughey are having a SALE 😀 )
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February 25, 2024 5:20pm
- greybeard
  
  I lived and worked in Auckland in the late 1960s:
  when S & C had a sale in those days it was a REAL event.
  Also, Friday afternoons and evenings in Queen St. were a social occasion and the hotels did very well.
  
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  February 25, 2024 5:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Now, no one in their right mind would even set foot in Queen Street!
    
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    February 25, 2024 6:00pm
- Scooter
  
  Look how wide the footpath is, ironic really as I thought Queen St was dead with not much foot traffic. Good though to keep a wide berth from the hobos.
  
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  February 25, 2024 7:40pm
greybeard

Against my better judgement I watched a bit of the 3rd T20 today: if the Aussie bowlers Ellis and Johnson play in the test series NZ are in big trouble.
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February 25, 2024 5:41pm
Swifty

I find it always pays to keep track of what the other lot are doing – and to see what arguments they are advancing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGmxNUYco1I

Unfortunately this stuff is so low-calorie that I am none the wiser.

This is not the best of the left is it?
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