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Chuck Bird

I see Jack Tame is going to interview that Green slime, Chlöe Swarbrick. I wonder if he will ask her any hard questions about her support for gang rapists of Jews. I somehow doubt it.
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February 11, 2024 8:20am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It would be nice if Tame asked Ms Swarbrick how the mediation session at the Human Rights Commission went after there was a complaint about her “Rivers to the Sea” rhetoric.
  
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  February 11, 2024 8:26am
  - Swifty
    
    I wonder if it has even dawned on her that the anti-semitism she has so willingly embraced is a continuation of the anti-semitism prevalent through much of the world for the last two Millenia and which led to the creation is the Israeli state in an attempt to enable the Jews to defend themselves?
    
    It’s people like her that caused Israel to have to be created.
    
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    February 11, 2024 8:34am
    - Che Guava
      
      “…the anti-semitism prevalent through much of the world for the last two Millenia and which led to the creation is the Israeli state…”
      
      Let’s speak in general terms:
      
      Why do Jews as a collective entity have such a consistent record of being disliked? While inter-group antagonism is just a feature of social reality, nobody else seems to have quite the Jewish experience, so what’s happening here?
      
      The Jewish explanation is something like “Jews are above reproach and blameless, thus any antagonism towards Jews is the fault of the Other.” Nobody else has the audacity to make such an implausible and self-exculpatory claim.
      
      At some point, surely our analytical gaze must be pointed at the behaviour of Jews themselves as a large factor, because that is the simplest and most elegant explanation for ant-semitism, and one that doesn’t invoke unnecessary elements (a la Occam’s razor), rather than attributing an irrational and inexplicable antagonism to every non-Jew, which seems far more implausible.
      
      Surely it’s self-evident that the common factor in the history of all anti-semitism is Jews, so why is it considered strange, weird or hateful to postulate that the Jews are the (or one significant) problem, rather than everyone else despite them being from very different cultures, geographic regions and times?
      
      We are supposed to be a scientific and rational civilisation, so the scientific and rational approach would be to look at this phenomenon of “anti-semitism” and to evaluate the conditions for it, and the causal relationships.
      
      A Law of sorts can even be formulated: “Take any non-Jewish majority, add Jews, and anti-semitism results.”
      
      Let’s imagine an experiment: take some substance, A. We observe repeatedly that adding A to other discreet substances (e.g. B, C, D, E, F….etc) tends to result in the same energetic reaction, X.
      
      For instance, we add A to B; then A to C; then A to D; then A to B,C and F; then A to E and F….. and on and on, yet the reaction (X) is the same every time. Always X. Doesn’t matter when or where you do the experiment, or with what combinations of substance, adding A to anything always results in X.
      
      While a simplified case, is it more rational and scientific to conclude that A is the cause of X under any circumstances, or that B,C,D,E, and F are all the active ingredient, for some as yet indeterminate reason.
      
      We may not like X occurring, but we can still understand its causes if we are willing to think about things in the world.
      
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      February 11, 2024 11:21am
      - rouppe
        
        A reasonable question to ask. I read your whole comment waiting for some suggestion. Obviously I was disappointed.
        
        Also, it’s pretty difficult to end up with anti semitism if Jews aren’t involved, but let’s put that aside.
        
        If we are to ask that question, let’s test it with other groups.
        
        Gingas. It’s been a thing as long as I can remember. Put a ginga in a group of non-gingas, and you usually get a gingas comment. Curious.
        
        Also (in some places) put a negros in with a group of non-negros, you are likely to get a n**r comment.
        
        Crikey, it’s almost as if you put someone identifiable as “other” in a minority situation in a group, you get pack behaviours on that minority…
        
        Just a theory, mind…
        
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        February 11, 2024 4:47pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Che Guava: “Why do Jews as a collective entity have such a consistent record of being disliked?”
        
        Christians are/were taught that “The Jews” had rejected the “true Messiah” (according to Christians). In darker ages where pig-ignorant idiocy and savagery was the norm, “Christian” leaders allowed atrocities against Jewish people. This was probably intensified by the irritating fact that Christianity is built on top of the foundation of Judaism and Judaism was there long before Christianity. Also, irritatingly Judaism doesn’t recognise the Christian Messiah as being the legit Jewish Messiah.
        
        Islam was a founded by someone who had many Jews killed because they mocked him for plagiarising their religion. The Islamic texts are full of anti-Jewish utterances.
        
        Outside of Christian/Muslim societies I don’t think they were generally “disliked”.
        
        The other reason is general success. You see the same kind of hatred against successful Chinese people flare up in places like Malaysia and Indonesia (amongst others).
        
        People often behave like a pack of dumb chimps and will beat up and vilify any person or group that is different or more successful generally than the wider society.
        
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        February 11, 2024 8:42pm
  - kowtow
    
    or how she failed to defend Twyford’s right to freedom of expression at that Auckland pro Hamas gathering where he was jeered and then told to leave ther podium by two men and then escorted away by a huge posse of police .
    No , she happily took the stage , attacked the Auckland War memorial museum and screamed her genocidal rant , all to the approving nods of the rest of the Green cabal with her.
    
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    February 11, 2024 8:49am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I must give Jack a little credit. He did ask her about her Jew hating remark. However, it is not a matter of hate speech it is a matter of incitement.
    
    Hamas’s charter calls for the Palestinians to control of what is now Israel and the elimination of all the Jews there.
    
    Jack allowed the false claim of genocide, Israel could have killed everyone in Gaza. He also did not ask her about the gang rapes, murder of children and taking of hostages.
    
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    February 11, 2024 10:25am
    - oldpark
      
      @Chuck Bird 10.25 AM .
      
      Agree seems he will never be known as Jack the Giant Killer .When he comes to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth about the October 07 2023 of the massacre of circa 1200 innocent Young Children Mothers and Grandparents Israelis by Hamas Terrorists and their United Nation Cohorts.
      I used to think Jack was sort of smart .Now I think he could not spell “Bob” backwards with his feigned deliberate denial of the truth in his omission of the Jewish Massacre on 07 10 2023 with his kid glove type of interview with the Hamas NZ Green Party woman .
      
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      February 11, 2024 10:58am
      - artemisia
        
        It has been reported that thousands of Hamas invaded Israel on 7 October. Thousands.
        
        If even half true, hard to argue with a serious counter attack.
        
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        February 11, 2024 11:23am
    - Steve Todd
      
      He also did not ask her about the gang rapes, murder of children and taking of hostages.
      
      And had he done so, she would have replied that, of course, she is appalled by the events of that horrific day.
      
      I would also suggest to you, Chuck, that opposing Israel’s actions in Gaza does not, in and of itself, constitute “Jew hatred”; it simply constitutes opposition to Israel’s actions.
      
      And, your description, above, of Chlöe Swarbrick as “Green slime” is utterly disgraceful. It says far more about you than it does about her, and what it says about you is, well, let’s just say, not good.
      
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      February 11, 2024 11:35am
      - kowtow
        
        Slime ?
        
        Well having seen footageof her disgraceful performance on the stage after Twford was jeered and escorted away by police ( for his own safety) in broad daylight in Auckland and not only her failure to defend his right to free speech and her rant laden attck on the Auckland war Memorial Museum , along with her genocidal screaching of ‘river to sea’ ,to the approval of the scabby Green cabal around her , I think ‘slime” is more than appropriate as would be “scum”.
        
        And before we get too high and mighty , preaching off our high horse ,the Green scum themselves are very free and easy with the insults they throw at all and sundry .
        
        Goose gander and all that.
        
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        February 11, 2024 12:38pm
      - Che Guava
        
        “I would also suggest to you, Chuck, that opposing Israel’s actions in Gaza does not, in and of itself, constitute “Jew hatred”; it simply constitutes opposition to Israel’s actions.”
        
        100%. Dismissing criticism of one’s behaviour as “hatred” allows one to never have to self-examine and self-criticise.
        
        Events in the world are always someone else’s fault, never your own. This is the definition of a victim complex.
        
        Be it Maori, African Americans, and, especially and originally, Jews – they all do it and they all do it for the same reason, which is to never be held to account and to always blame someone else.
        
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        February 11, 2024 12:43pm
    - herb1
      
      The problem with all these genocide claims is they’re based on an ongoing media reporting of “Palestinians killed”.
      Never mentions how many of these “ Palestinians “ are Hamas, who are the target of the IDF.
      The many dead civilians aren’t the target , but a result of Hamas deliberately using them as shields for tactical and PR reasoning.
      Fortunately WW2 media coverage didn’t imply the many dead Germans where just civilians
      
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      February 11, 2024 11:50am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I just looked at the Q & A Facebook. Jew hatred is thriving in NZ.
    
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    February 11, 2024 10:40am
    - Che Guava
      
      Is it really “Jew hatred Chuck,” or just criticism of some Jews?
      
      I think writing it off to “hatred” allows one to hold a position without having to, or being able to, defend it.
      
      If being “anti-Israel/anti-Jewish” is such a self-evidently incorrect position that is easily rebutted by facts over feelings, why do people tend to respond with hurt feelings rather than facts whenever their position is questioned?
      
      If criticism of someone or something is equivalent to “hatred,” then most KBers must “hate” Labour or Green Party politicians, Maori elites, or figures in the media, or Joe Biden (or Trump for that matter), or climate scientists etc.
      
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      February 11, 2024 11:35am
      - rouppe
        
        Over the years, any criticism of Ardern was called misogyny. Any criticism of Maori racism. Criticism of wearing the burkha in NZ Islamaphobia.
        
        I’m getting on a bit, and my memory isn’t what it used to be, but I don’t really recall anyone saying “criticising a woman isn’t misogyny” etc
        
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        February 11, 2024 4:54pm
- pdm
  
  I hear Chloe might have opposition in the Co-Leader race – some guy from Dunedin. I did not catch his name.
  
  Strange (well not really because they are all deranged) that someone outside Parliament can stand for the leadership.
  
  Then again Shaw set the precedent so I say – go the white male candidate.
  
  One thing that is certain – the best person may not, probably even, will not win.
  
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  February 11, 2024 8:32am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Not the bloke that was shot???
    
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    February 11, 2024 8:58am
    - Philview
      
      Once again the media showed little interest in looking under that stone. A Green Party political figure gets shot in the early hours and it seems rather than head to hospital he goes to his work place to take care of some matters.
      
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      February 11, 2024 1:20pm
  - KH
    
    Why not from outside Parliament? Parties are not really part of the formal system. Although there are some rules about minimum membership to present for party vote
    You could form a party, call it the Silly party, call your self God as leader. You don’t need any MPs to do that.
    Then it’s left to the people to vote for you (of course they won’t). That’s democracy. Leave to the people.
    Mind you. Some idiots voted for the fool in the hat.
    
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    February 11, 2024 9:20am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Brash was made leader of ACT well before he came into parliament
      
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      February 11, 2024 11:00am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Source please. He was the leader of National and an MP and later became the leader of Act.
        
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        February 11, 2024 1:56pm
      - Ghost
        
        Source? This is common knowledge. He took over from Rodney and became leader outside of parliament. When he failed to win his seat he resigned on election night.
        
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        February 11, 2024 2:02pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Then again Shaw set the precedent […].
    
    Well, no, Russel Norman set the precedent, in 2006, following the death of Rod Donald.
    
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    February 11, 2024 11:53am
  - bennerg
    
    Alex Foulkes is his name. He is reported as saying:
    
    ..the time was right for the Greens to displace Labour as the main left-of-centre party and become the party of the working class.
    
    Time then to rename the party to something other than “green”. It is out of step with green parties around the world that have as their main, if not total focus, environmental issues. Quite frankly with the elements to be found in the National Party, if they stuck to the knitting, they would be right in there, affecting environmental policy in a meaningful way. As it is they are spearheading social and ethnic policies that mean the their green policies are never given the light of day.
    
    To be honest, the real green concerns such as clean rivers, adequate green areas in cities, and handling of waste products etc is actually really hard work. Instead, commenting on issues they actually cannot affect (eg. Palestine) gets them media coverage but requires them to do bugger all apart for press releases and interviews. Oh, and the occasional protest march.
    
    And they can never be assessed on outcomes, because the outcomes are beyond them anyway. It’s the old adage about the difference between apparent motion and productivity.
    
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    February 11, 2024 3:23pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Like hell. Tame likes to have a laugh at violence when it’s perpetrated on his ideological enemies.
  
  When Posie Parker was assaulted at Albert Park last year and doused with a red liquid, Tame guffawed and quipped, well, I guess she’s got lunch sorted.
  
  Neo-Marxist luvvie and a nasty little shit.
  
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  February 11, 2024 9:20am
- KH
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Guys run out of Gaza knowing they are on a one way trip. Murder and rape. 1500 people.
  That’s terrible.
  Or get up in the morning. Fly over Gaza and press some buttons – high tech. Home in time for dinner.
  People are obliterated and terribly injured. 30,000 people dead (and counting).
  That’s OK.
  
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  February 11, 2024 9:43am
  - Inandout
    
    KH, your comments have the depth of a barely perceptable puddle in a carpark. Do some proper research on how IDF are fighting on the ground in Gaza and getting killed. To once and for all rid the world of Hamas takes drastic action.
    
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    February 11, 2024 10:27am
    - KH
      
      Inandout. Try then to give us a sensible viewpoint on 1500 or 30,000.
      I will read your explanation with interest to see if it helps me. I can’t make sense of either.
      
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      February 11, 2024 10:49am
      - Cassandra
        
        Hamas – elected government party of Gaza – set out to rape and murder. Israel responded. It is trying to destroy Hamas, just as Russia, UK, NZ, USA etc did to the Nazi Party. Hamas locates its fighters amongst civilians deliberately. That’s why Gaza civilians have been killed. Unlike Hamas it has not been deliberately. Now do you understand, KH?
        
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        February 11, 2024 11:35am
      - Jack5
        
        Meanwhile, a Hamas command-centre tunnel network is found under the United Nations (UNWRA) headquarters in Gaza.
        
        A Reuters report of a tour of the main tunnel, led by Israel Army engineers, includes:
        
        The tunnel, which the military said was 700 metres long and 18 metres deep, bifurcated at times, revealing side-rooms. There was an office space, with steel safes that had been opened and emptied. There was a tiled toilet. One large chamber was packed with computer servers, another with industrial battery stacks.
        
        https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-had-command-tunnel-under-un-gaza-hq-israeli-military-says-2024-02-10/
        
        To be fair, KH is just revisiting a debate on the morality of air war on civilians, a debate that began in the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s.
        
        There supposedly was a saying among Berlin citizens in 1945 which questioned what was worse: the “Americans above” or the (raping) “Russians on top”.
        
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        February 11, 2024 11:35am
      - bjools
        
        How do you KNOW it’s 30 000?
        We have no “independent” verification (that, when it suits them, the media scream to the hills for).
        Only Hamas’ word for it.
        Remember the supposed bombing of a hospital.
        Turned out to be
        1. A hospital car park and the hospital (intact) was even in the pictures they released.
        2. 50 not 500 killed
        3. Miss fire by Hamas, NOT IDF bomb.
        Personally, I go with the old adage:
        The first casualty of war, is the truth.
        So since the 1500 (your number) of Israelis killed and made hostage, was from Hamas (complete with actual footage THEY released so proudly) That, I would go with.
        The rest MAY be true, but probably, on their record of lies, NOT.
        Ask yourself.
        1. If the IDF is so accurate with their bombs and they are “targeting hospitals”…why are 11 still standing?
        2. If there are 30 000 dead, where are they?
        Surely by now the UN or the pro Hamas news, would, like they did in the Balkans War, have shown us the graves and all the bodies by now. (Good propaganda for Hamas too).
        
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        February 11, 2024 11:40am
    - Che Guava
      
      “To once and for all rid the world of Hamas takes drastic action.”
      
      These quasi-moral pretexts are only acceptable to idiots or to people who know better but can’t be explicit in the interests of maintaining support for an entirely selfish ethnic agenda.
      
      On Nietzschean Will to Power principles, I could at least respect the Israelis if they came out and admitted what any thinking person can see, which is that they want to do what they have sought for 80 years, which is to destroy Gaza and finally drive the Palestinians out of the region so that the borders of Israel can expand to fill the void and to make the demographics of Israel more favourable
      and more proportionately Jewish.
      
      It’s about Israel’s territorial and ethnic interests, not about fighting evil, despite it being clothed as the latter.
      
      That’s the obvious reality. But they can’t say this, because then who (other than Jews or Israelis) would get behind their brutal endeavour? Rather than invoking very particular Israeli interests that nobody else should care about, they have to employ abstractions as justifications so that, in theory, everyone can identify.
      
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      February 11, 2024 11:53am
  - Che Guava
    
    Despite being the self-attributed “moral” and “civilised” and “rational” side of the conflict against the passionate and unthinking Muslim hordes, Israel’s position is that:
    
    First, the morality of an act is wholly dependent on its relationship to the collective interests of Jews; and
    
    Second, that Israel have no agency at all; and thus
    
    Third, the IDF had no other choice but to destroy Gaza, because Hamas made them do it.
    
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    February 11, 2024 11:43am
  - herb1
    
    Even assuming the 30000 number is correct , bearing in mind they’re provided by the terrorist group responsible for the war, how many of these dead are actually Hamas?
    Probably not something you’ve bothered considering
    
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    February 11, 2024 11:53am
  - artemisia
    
    Fairly recent report according to Israel was that some 9,000 of the dead were Hamas operatives. At that point that was close to half the number of dead according to Hamas.
    
    According to …. The first casualty of war being …
    
    How many Gazan deaths were from natural causes but have been counted as casualties of war. With a population of more than 2 mill there would be thousands of natural deaths in the period.
    
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    February 11, 2024 12:10pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Hope he asks open-ended, non-leading questions to see how long it takes her, voluntarily and unprompted, to mention anything other than climate change that’s to do with the environment
  
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  February 11, 2024 10:08am
- Paulus
  
  Understand that the expression Green Slime was used in the UK army to represent, by soldiers, an Intelligence Corp Officer, as their regimental shoulder band was Green.
  
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  February 11, 2024 10:49am
- Damocles11
  
  Can anyone from the Greens tell me what part of the world Jews are indigenous too? And why the Left insist on call a patch of land that has umpteen different names throughout history ‘Palestine’, and identify a group of Arabs as a separate indigenous race called ‘Palestinians’?
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:27am
  - Che Guava
    
    The Jews are indigenous to the same area that the displaced Palestinians are. Hence the ongoing conflict.
    
    It is irrelevant what label we give to “the Palestinians,” or that there was no State of Palestine previously (but nor was there a State of Israel previously), because labels are irrelevant to the core consideration, which is people X and people Y both invoking property rights over the same area, leading to inevitable conflict.
    
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    February 11, 2024 12:02pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Of course Che, you fail (deliberately perhaps?) to mention there was the Kingdom of Israel and Judea in the 10th century, BCE. Naming the area Palestine is from Palaestina, a name deliberately given to the area by the Romans after the 2nd Jewish Revolt around 135 CE as an insult to Jews. Palaestina comes from the Philistines, who were mortal enemies of the Israelites. And of course, the Philistines were Greek (specifically Crete and the Aegean Islands), not Arabs. And you mistake this conflict as a “property rights” issue. Hamas Charter makes it crystal clear it is not. It is a religious issue. One religion wants the other destroyed and it’s adherents slaughtered (or forced to change religion) while the other wants to live in peace.
      
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      February 11, 2024 1:57pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Makes you wonder what on earth the Brits were thinking when the labelled the area ‘Palestine’ when they got control of it after WWI.
        
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        February 11, 2024 2:20pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        @Damocles. In 1920, The League of Nations named the mandate the “British Mandate of Palestine”, and it included Transjordan. The whole mandate was conceded by the Ottoman Empire post WW1. The Emirate of Transjordan was subsequently added in 1921. And of course, no one today claims that Jordan is part of “Palestine”. Funny that.
        
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        February 11, 2024 5:43pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        If it’s a religious war then it’s a religious war on both sides, this isn’t atheists vs agnostics, it’s jihadists vs zealots. Israel was created by the gun and is being maintained by the gun.
        These are not New Zealand’s principles and there is exactly zero reason for New Zealand to get involved.
        The origin of the word “zealot” is interesting, you should check it out.
        
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        February 11, 2024 10:43pm
artemisia

RNZ – Government faces the music at Waitangi

The government also faces the music bigly with their Budgets. Cancellations are under way, there will be more. Might be a couple of dots to be joined.

Some might think the RNZ report was a trifle unbalanced. I couldn’t possibly comment.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/focusonpolitics/audio/2018925063/government-faces-the-music-at-waitangi
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February 11, 2024 8:24am
- I remember when
  
  ‘government faces the music at waitangi.’
  Looks like the band consists of the same old, same old.
  
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  February 11, 2024 12:15pm
Mobile Michael

We had better Judges, Damien. It was called the Privy Council. Then Helen Clark and Labour just legislated it away.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350173571/we-need-better-judges-writes-damien-grant

I seem to remember many National, ACT and NZ First politicians at the time arguing that an indigenous highest court would degrade the quality of all judicial decisions as the scrutiny of the world’s finest jurists would be removed from our Judges.
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February 11, 2024 8:28am
- pdm
  
  MM – Margeret Wilson the instigator.
  
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  February 11, 2024 9:51am
- MCōs
  
  Appeals to the Privy Council ended twenty years ago with the establishment of the Supreme Court
  https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/the-courts/supreme-court/history/
  The current government has no problem turning back the clock on legislation it doesn’t like. Maybe the Supreme Court should be looking over its shoulder
  Might as well delete God Defend NZ at the same time and bring back the £
  
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  February 11, 2024 12:09pm
- peterwn
  
  Do not forget at the time that the British Government wanted to stop providing Privy Council services to other independent nations. So the British Government could have announced that Privy Council services would cease after a specified date. Also there were areas that the Law Lords would not delve into since they indicated that local appeal judges are in a better position to consider issues involving local law. A lawyer I knew turned up at a Privy Council hearing in Downing Street only to be told just that – goodbye.
  
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  February 11, 2024 12:20pm
artemisia

Report of a Mason Clinic psychiatric nurse issue mentions that 50% of the patients there are Maori. That is surely alarming. There is a lot of taxpayer funding going into race based health research. Has any of it figured out what is going on, and why?
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February 11, 2024 8:29am
- Paulus
  
  Why 50% Maori ?
  In the UK the biggest Health problem is Mental as a result of the many young people with serious mental problems brought about through what is officially Trans Sanguinity
  That is the generational inter family births brought about by predominantly immigrant Moslem families from such as from the Middle East or Africa.
  As soon as a young woman child is old enough to give birth she is made pregnant by anybody, well within the family – brother, cousin or any close family, to increase the numeracy of the family – look at birth rates by ethnicity.
  When buying a dog you look at its pedigree to see whether there will be a health problem, by inter breeding.
  This is thousands of years old including in UK where George III was considered unstable (He even gave away the USA). He was replaced, and the UK Royal Families marriages were in future interspersed.
  Prince Philip was of Greek ethnicity as an example.
  So one conclusion which must be reached is that Mental Health problems can be reviewed in terms of historic ethnicity whether we like to do so, and it can only get worse and of course hugely and exponentially expensive.
  Big problem already here and cannot be made better.
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:01am
  - Jack5
    
    Lot of debate about both incidence of psychiatric disorders in various races in the US and in their diagnoses.
    
    The abstract in the link below, though 17 or so years old, gives a good quick view of the problems.
    
    A taste:
    
    In summary, few disparities in mental health diagnoses exist. Some evidence suggests that Black Americans may have higher rates of a particularly debilitating disorder, schizophrenia, although diagnostic problems may in part account for this difference. Furthermore, minorities do have higher rates of psychological symptoms that may impair their functioning.
    
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3928067/#:~:text=Many%20studies%20show%20that%20members,the%20U.S.%20English%2Dspeaking%20population.
    
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    February 11, 2024 11:57am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Prince Philip of Greece was actually a German, ethnically speaking.
    
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    February 11, 2024 10:25pm
- kowtow
  
  I suspect over indulgence in the sacred weed has an awful lot to answer for .
  
  Te media ( and other progressives) won’t go there ,they love to “joke” If you remember the ’60’s you weren’t there .
  
  So very funny isn’t it ; a mental health emergency .
  
  What they do want us all talking about is the weather .
  
  A squirrel to take our minds off what really matters . Real world problems.
  
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  February 11, 2024 12:46pm
  - mawm
    
    There are enough studies showing that dope affects the developing brain. I suspect that there is heavy use in teenagers amongst certain groups and this shows up as mental illness later. Add to the mix the other commonly abused substances that have particularly powerful neuroleptic actions and their resultant up- and down-grading of neuroreceptors and their interference with their neurotransmitters. This scrambling of neural pathways must result in a dysfunctional brain. Even withdrawal of the substance does not result in normal function as many of the pathways ablated never reform completely and many of the aberrant ones remain.
    
    The communities in which this is happening need to be educated about the ill effects and they need to attack the problem.
    
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    February 11, 2024 2:02pm
G152

Its a colour thing with the greens. They are not green they are red. Their politicing has become petulance/ Lies are better if they are loud and and better that girls are gay and the boys backward in coming forward.
Maybe because they identify with Gazas terrorists we should send them there I’m sure they are itching to go
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February 11, 2024 8:30am
- Damocles11
  
  If Labour / Greens / TPM ever get into government again, with their hyper-radicalised agenda, the NZ is truly finished. Anyone with any financial resources will be heading for the nearest international airport.
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:30am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Green – Red – just colourblindness, I think
  
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  February 11, 2024 10:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something interesting for a Sunday morning(for me anyway) of the 1969 Moon Landing event.
Images and stories.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/rare-glimpses-of-the-1969-moon-landing-event/ss-BB1i4qWJ#image=21
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February 11, 2024 8:31am
Swifty

Hey, I thought Indians in NZ can’t be racist as only people from the dominant ethnicity, i.e. whitey, can be racist – the ones who hold ‘all the power’.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/te-whatu-ora-psychiatric-nurse-sacked-after-labelling-colleague-maori-ct-in-group-chat/UJ3Z3UKPYZD7FGTJLGK5H2PIH4/

Well, that’s what lefties have been preaching to me for the last twenty years, anyway.
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February 11, 2024 8:38am
- Philview
  
  I am reminded of the court case of John Terry the former England Football Captain who called a player a similar slur. I believe he was found not guilty of racism. I recall arguments (probably on here) that the opposing player was indeed a CT and also was a black player so not a racist term to combine the 2 words. The opposing player had been baiting Terry about a marital affair situation from memory.
  
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  February 11, 2024 2:39pm
lifesgood

I thought all government departments were going to go back to their original English names after the election. It hasn’t happened yet….waiting, waiting.
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February 11, 2024 8:38am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  I guess they have to use up all their stocks of printed letterhead and envelopes before reverting. (yes, I know, they can do it overnight in all digital branding!)
  I have selectively started answering emails from inexplicably named government departments that greet ma and sign off in Te Reo with my new signature that lists my genetic heritage. It’s a great way to stop a conversation before it starts.
  
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  February 11, 2024 10:42am
  - PurplePen
    
    What you should do and really I should have done it with the last lot is send any correspondence to any govt agency written in Maori. If you use short uncomplicated sentences Google translate gets it right as with any language. That way they would HAVE to send it out to a translation service etc and would cost them. Better to have done it in the last 6 years. Save it up for when they ever get back in perhaps.
    
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    February 11, 2024 1:01pm
- Burtland
  
  He Pou a Rangi https://www.climatecommission.govt.nz/
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:00am
- Paulus
  
  They it appears, certainly in Education, that they will ignore anything non Maori !
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:07am
  - G152
    
    Currency is not Maori
    
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    February 11, 2024 11:31am
    - Paulus
      
      Yet !
      
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      February 11, 2024 1:34pm
John Loveridge

I’m surprised to see it reported in the media: in the wake of all the Waitangi hoo-ha ACT has shown a sharp rise in support according to Curia’s latest poll, with the Maori Party dropping.

Now, it’s a single poll, by Curia no less, and we know how these things move around, but I couldn’t help feeling a little smug.
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February 11, 2024 8:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The government seats 72 to the opposition seats 51
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:03am
- peterwn
  
  Some regard it as a slap in the face for Chris Luxon. My ‘takes’ are:
  1. James Shaw’s departure and the shoplifting incidents have not been helpful to the Greens – down to 9%.
  2. Labour seems to have lost votes to the centre-right but these were partly replaced by ex Green votes.
  3. David Seymour’s tough talk on the Treaty seems to have paid off with a higher level of support.
  4. Bit surprising that NZ First have lost a bit of support I thought that Winston has done very well as their leader.
  5. It has delivered an important indirect benefit to National – Chris could form a government without NZF’s support if an election were called and results reflected that poll. So if the need arose (and hope it does not) Chris Luxon could have a Clint Eastwood moment – ‘Go ahead – make my day’.
  
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  February 11, 2024 12:38pm
TripeWryter

Last evening I read a story in The New Zealand Herald about a girl at Upper Hutt College being beaten up by two girls from the same college.
There was some footage, which apparently was put up on social media. As you do.
Some other girls watched, and the Herald story noted primly that they did not intervene.
Upper Hutt College is a violent school.
Late last year – probably September – I was seated on a Friday in a 110 bus, which runs the length of the valley down to Petone.
Still in Upper Hutt a group of schoolboys in the college uniform got on the bus.
In a short time one boy got out his phone to show that day’s fight between two boys who were perhaps 15-16.
It was full-on. The fight was in a corridor and they were going for it – big roundhouses, hard rights, stiff left-hand jabs.
There were black eyes and there was blood from the noses and mouths.
The audience was big: especially the solid group of girls watching on.
I know this because I asked if I could watch the movie, as well.
The 16 year-old with the phone seemed surprised that some old fart would want to have a look but I thought – ‘why not?’ I’m harmless.
I asked a couple of boys seated behind me what the fight was about.
Don’t know, they said. ‘There are fights every day at that school.’
Over what?
One boy replied: it’s because there are two gangs at the school and they hate each other. There’s the East Side and the West Side.’
East Side, West Side of what?
I thought: are they aping American gangs?
The boy continued: ‘You’re put in one or the other and it’s roughly where you live.’
He grinned: ‘I’m lucky. I don’t live up here and I won’t be at this school next year. Mum’s shifting me out.’
I wouldn’t send a kid to Upper Hutt College.
The school, the principal, the board can babble all their PR-manufactured phrases about zero tolerance of bullying, striving to keep ‘students’ (they’re not students, either, they’re pupils …) safe and that’s their main priority, and they have ‘robust policies’ – in place, too – blah blah blah.
But the facts appear to be there are American-style gang influences in the school, pupils can be beaten, girls are not safe from other hormonally angry other girls, and the teachers are too afraid to intervene anyway.
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February 11, 2024 9:19am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  Maybe they need to install fire hoses in appropriate spots and hose the idiots down. Ooh, would that be assault?
  
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  February 11, 2024 10:44am
  - Tempist
    
    Worse than that, it would probably be a breach of Wellington Regions water restrictions, themselves occasioned by massive local government failure, rather than anything climate related
    
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    February 11, 2024 11:09am
- Biscuit
  
  Tripewryter – love that name, by the way – your piece is v. disturbing to read.
  
  I was at Upper Hutt College from September 1965 through the end of 1966.
  
  Very well run, high standards, no bullying (although was bullying even a concept back then?) and the only violence I ever encountered was a) on the Rugby field or b) whilst touching my toes for some (deserved) punishment or other, heh.
  
  I look at the kids there these days and think that Allan Hunter, my principal in those years, would have a fit at the sneakers, loose trousers, low socks, long hair…
  
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  February 11, 2024 10:56am
  - pdm
    
    You have summed up th problem Biscuit.
    
    Flaunting of rules and no discipline.
    
    1. Hair above the collar.
    2. Socks pulled up.
    3. Shoes shined.
    4. Teachers are Sir or Miss/Mrs.
    
    Would be a good start.
    
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    February 11, 2024 7:08pm
- PeeJay
  
  On this issue, I tend to feel somewhat for the teachers. There are no doubt more than a few teachers who would like to intervene and pull the kids apart – but they know they would almost certainly face investigations leading to sanctions or significant disciplinary action from the Ministry. I’ve actually heard as much from a few teachers I’ve known. Therefore, sadly, it’s no great surprise that teachers tend to do very little in these situations.
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:38am
- Tom Hunter
  
  It would be totally unacceptable for today’s teachers but setting up a formal boxing challenge might do the trick. Fight Club was a fantasy movie (esp the Anarchist parts) but it made some solid points about young men in our society.
  
  BTW, the fact that the girls were eagerly watching all this is yet another reminder of how human nature overrides ideology, in this case sixty+ years of feminist theory combined with endless promotion of the principles of non-violence.
  
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  February 11, 2024 3:52pm
  - rouppe
    
    Just look at the spectators in the first three rows of any title fight. Plenty of women, all watching intently, all getting very excited if one or the other gets pounded
    
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    February 11, 2024 5:06pm
Chris Nisbet

I wonder about farming. Specifically, I wonder about this claim that agriculture is responsible for something like nearly 50% of NZs greenhouse gas emissions. Let’s put aside the argument that greenhouse gasses are bad for the climate for now. (psst, they’re not).

Intuitively, I’d have guessed that agriculture was responsible for about 0% of our total emissions, because everything farmers grow gets its carbon from the air (or earth), and that’s where it all winds up again after a short period of time. That ignores things like the carbon used to provide the energy required to power the machinery used, but I wouldn’t have thought that would amount to anywhere near 50% of NZs total emissions. Yeah, I’ve heard this nonsense that methane is much more powerful than CO2 at gently warming the globe, but it’s also a short-lived gas and is in much lower concentrations and only absorbs energy from a very small portion of the spectrum.

Anyway, what I wonder is how much scientific effort has been put into showing just how much net greenhouse gasses are produced by agriculture.
I know of one study produced by some Auckland University that shows that agriculture in NZ is actually net zero, but it never got a lot of air time.

Is this science as ‘settled’ (I know, science is never settled) as politicians would have us believe?
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February 11, 2024 9:19am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  I have concluded that all moves to reduce NZ’s emissions are based on virtue signalling with no recourse to the actual science. It’s all about showing our European markets (largely Nestles) that our milk powder is clean and green, which it already is, compared to the rest of the world (probably not including Australia). Surely the fact that our emissions are 0.017% pf the world’s emissions is sufficient but the idiots prefer to use “per capita” data which looks much worse because of our tiny population.
  If you have access to the Australian, Steve Waterson has written a column titled “older, but sadly not much wiser” (Jan 14) which points out that only 4% of global CO2 emissions are from human activity (I haven’t checked his data but chose to believe him). Need I say more?
  
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  February 11, 2024 9:44am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    0.17% not 0.017%.
    
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    February 11, 2024 10:14am
    - Grumpy Silver Top
      
      I’ve just googled it and we are both wrong, although you are closer than me. A site called Gen Less says 0.15% and then goes on to say (excuse me while I rage for a moment)
      
      “We emit more than our fair share.
      New Zealand contributes about 0.15% of the world’s gross emissions. That’s three times more than our fair share when you look at our proportion of the global population.13 Nov 2023”
      
      Reinforces my original comment that our per capita emissions are the crap measure that is being used to beat up our farmers and ICE drivers. Such specious logic beggars belief!
      
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      February 11, 2024 10:49am
      - Jake Dee
        
        Also what the hell is a “fair share” of carbon emissions in a global trade network? If you are emitting carbon to produce food that goes overseas to be eaten in another nation they are at least partially responsible.
        
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        February 11, 2024 10:58pm
  - newview
    
    ST. Completely agree. The last governments campaign to clean up our agriculture was for show like the 30 billion $ carbon unit scam they committed themselves to on our behalf. But their bias was worse than that. To them there is clean agriculture and dirty agriculture. Dairy being dirty and horticulture and cropping clean. Horticulture and grain largely getting a free ride regardless of carbon release while working up paddocks for crops ( 4.5 tonn carbon per hectare every time land is ploughed) and nitrogen leaching in areas like Pukekohe largely ignored. As a retired sheep and beef farmer I agree we need to work towards a cleaner environment but in a manner that doesn’t threaten our economy. The Labour government just didn’t like livestock farming but to them horticulture was clean. So ignorantly pathetic like their treesonous policy of encouraging the planting of pine trees on good farmlands. They should be held to account in real courts with hanging judges because to me their actions were nothing more than treason.
    
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    February 11, 2024 10:26am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Milk bad
      Wine, beer and whiskey good.
      As mentioned before, I have a family member who works in the grape growing for wine industry.
      Grape growing for wine uses heaps and heaps of water.
      It also uses heaps and heaps of chemicals and sprays for a variety of different plant related reasons.
      In some areas, dairy farms are being replaced by hop growing on an industrial level – for beer.
      Animals bad, alcohol good.
      
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      February 11, 2024 10:46am
      - pdm
        
        Cannabus good.
        
        Cigarettes bad.
        
        Makes no sense whatsoever to me.
        
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        February 11, 2024 7:12pm
    - Matt Long
      
      That’s one of the really weird points, that people who know better are pretending that cultivation for arable and vegetable growing doesn’t release huge amounts of greenhouse gases.
      The effects have been known for thousands of years, hence the requirement in ancient Mosaic law that arable land be rested from cultivation every 7 years, with ruminant animals having the ability to rebuild fertility.
      What’s it all really about, it can’t be climate.
      
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      February 11, 2024 3:25pm
- Burtland
  
  Water vapor is the largest greenhouse gas (95%)
  – why pick on just CO2 and methane and not water vapor ?
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:16am
- G152
  
  To them who complain go live on an Antarctic island and try to survive a few generations without agriculture
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:35am
- GJM
  
  It is rubbish for one simple reason. The “model” ignores every green thing growing on the farm, unless you have especially planted pine trees of 5ha or more and jump through hoops. I look out my window and I am in the Sahara for AGW. The grass, the hundreds of native trees (and a few pines) in the corner of the paddocks, the QE2 covenanted bush, etc don’t count.
  If GW is really a thing, then thy need to allocate it to the consumers. If they didn’t consume, then the evil CO2 would not be produced, and they can change their behaviour accordingly. Of course, that doesn’t give the puppet masters the control they want, and anyway, it is probably racist, since only westerners produce harmful CO2. China, Africa, India etc don’t apparently produce the evil CO2 emissions.
  
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  February 11, 2024 5:36pm
- Grunter
  
  All good points above.
  
  The scam of Global Boiling is so obvious when you scratch the surface just a little. And the more you scratch the more obvious it gets.
  
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  February 11, 2024 6:04pm
lastmanstanding

I say the Government must immediately remove the power of general comptence from Councils and set them a list of activities they must fund. With a cost of living crisis ratepayers cant afford the increases many Councils are suggesting. Councils must cut their cloth according to ratepayers ability to pay rates. No more funding vanity projects cultural festivals. Water roads rubbish parks and beaches libraries and dog control should be Councils priority.
In addition the cost of infrastructure should not be imposed on current ratepayers. These are long term projects that will benefit future payers so the cost should be capitalised and proportioned over the life of the infrastructure.
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February 11, 2024 9:19am
- Colville
  
  Lastman..
  
  Tricky to correctly and fairly capture the cost of infrastructure for infill sites.
  
  Or does an infill site get a free ride because it has a pipe to the gate already?
  
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  February 11, 2024 9:27am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  In short, they should stick to their knitting.
  
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  February 11, 2024 9:29am
  - Piniwi
    
    Unfortunately Chris very few councilors would know anything about knitting or even the concept of how each stitch plays it roll in getting together to make a garment. Few have missed the spectacle of vanity over sanitary needs that has been the “norm” for so long and how the infrastructure deficit can ever be covered by the diminishing percentage of homeowning ratepayers. But that new Auckland stadium looks like be a winner. Lol. //
    
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    February 11, 2024 2:07pm
- Paulus
  
  Remember Helen Clark gave the Local Authorities and Regionals a very wide brief, so many of the her supporters could get paid jobs, and sit on Committees, and enjoy socialism roles and decisions and expenditures.
  No change today !
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:11am
- PeeJay
  
  Best way to reform local government is to repeal the awful Local Government Act 2002. This truly hideous piece of legislation is the root cause of so many of the issues in local government – it is as bad as the RMA or the previous governments legislation to replace the RMA.
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:42am
kiwikidsnz

Damien Grant on the NZ Supreme Court activist judges
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350173571/we-need-better-judges-writes-damien-grant
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February 11, 2024 9:31am
- Cassandra
  
  Damien Grant is a National Treasure. Parliament should legislate this rapihi away. Winkleman for Governor General. Or Ambassador to Somalia, Venezuela, anywhere.
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:48am
cas

I posted a little while back on the delay with probates being granted. This is from an automated reply from Justice.

“As of December 2023, the Probate unit has made adjustments to the workflow to implement a more sustainable system of processing files within our 15 working day goal. We have established two teams – one to process the backlog files (filed from September to November), a second to process the fresh filings (received from 1 December 2023 onward). Due to this change, grants may be made on more recent files prior to older filings. If your application was filed in October or November, an outcome can be expected by the end of February 2024. ”

So newer filings may get priority. What planet do tese people live on?
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February 11, 2024 9:34am
- rouppe
  
  What it means is that they can say “requests are processed with 15 days”.
  
  Quite how they are going to stop the new team from getting into the same pickle (not keeping up) as the old team I’m not sure
  
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  February 11, 2024 5:11pm
AC

Watching Seymour being interviewed about the Treaty – interviewer claimed that Maori had a bunch of property rights before the treaty was signed .

That premise is wrong – each Chief only owned what they could physically defend and hold onto from attack from others. There were no property rights such as we know them now.

It would be interesting to know how many wars between Maori were fought after the treaty was signed . Considerably fewer I would suspect
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February 11, 2024 9:44am
- kowtow
  
  No mention of slavery .They were “property” .
  
  How odd.
  
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  February 11, 2024 10:38am
- MCōs
  
  “only owned what they could physically defend and hold onto from attack from others”
  Which would bring them into line with the rest of the world
  Refer to the current situations in Ukraine and the West Bank where settlers are taking over Palestinian land by force
  Also at the end of WWII when surviving Jews returned to their homes they were told to bugger off
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:03am
KH

I love to see the prancing and hollering at Waitangi. What makes it especially good is that it makes ACT and the Nats go up up up in the polls.
Thanks Curia for telling us what the people really think.
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February 11, 2024 9:51am
PurplePen

https://www.wcl.govt.nz/blog/index.php/2024/02/02/te-tiriti-o-waitangi-6-huitanguru-2024/

A page from the Wellington City Library home page dedicated to the current ToW discussion.

Missing from it is Sir Apirana Ngata’s writing from 1922, the minutes from the 1860 Kohimarama Conference and the notes from the only person who was in the tent on the day of signing in 1840, William Colenso. All available online from the the National Library.
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February 11, 2024 9:55am
- PurplePen
  
  Should read … notes from the only person who was in the tent on the day of signing in 1840 that took notes, William Colenso.
  
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  February 11, 2024 10:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Colenso’s notes would mention Maori conceded sovereignty.
  That is why the notes are not there.
  
  Here is mention of Colenso 21 minutes in::
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgY03s6Tqc
  
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  February 11, 2024 11:42am
  - PurplePen
    
    Thanks for the link. Started watching it, will finish later with a cup of milk and packet of wine biscuits.
    
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    February 11, 2024 1:18pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There is a Part 1 on Youtube. 50 minutes.
      I do wish more Kiwis would educate themselves on the Treaty instead of accepting the post 1975 Waitangi Tribunal brainwashing and hence the Gravy Train.
      You may find this website interesting especially if you have not heard of it:
      
      http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
      
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      February 11, 2024 2:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/don-brash-orewa-speech-2004-has-all-proved-to-be-correct-now-what/
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February 11, 2024 11:01am
Damocles11

Thumbed through a free copy of the Herald on Sunday at the local cafe, and there’s Emmerson attacking the Coalition again. Who could have guessed. *#%^ you NZME.
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February 11, 2024 11:21am
BananaLlama

If ACT continue to poll at 13-14% then National will have to seriously consider a referendum or risk a snap election.
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February 11, 2024 11:26am
- peterwn
  
  Winston could be the biggest loser if there were a snap election. ACT would be extremely hard pressed to win more votes than National.
  
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  February 11, 2024 12:42pm
- Ghost
  
  And why would there be a snap election? Even Seymour has dismissed another election. All three parties are getting on well, have a good working relationship. Why are you so stuck on referendum? Even Seymour is now suggesting it might not happen and the government may just pass the laws without one
  
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  February 11, 2024 12:55pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Why are you so stuck on referendum?
    
    lol, why are you so stuck on the idea of referendum? i am just speculating what might happen, no idea why you decided to post this but it kind of gives the game away.
    
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    February 11, 2024 1:31pm
    - Ghost
      
      You are the one claiming national need to seriously consider a referendum or risk a snap election
      
      Seymour isn’t even saying that
      Seymour is actually saying one may not be needed.
      
      Only game given away is your not listening to anything Seymour is saying
      
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      February 11, 2024 1:35pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        Okay Ghost keep tilting at those windmills then.
        
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        February 11, 2024 1:49pm
  - Paulus
    
    Remember, which many do not, this is the First MMP Government made up of many. and sometimes conflicting views from three consenting parties.
    And supported by the voters.
    
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    February 11, 2024 1:38pm
    - Ghost
      
      Yes, and it is also part of their collation agreement, that parties can disagree or support each others policies. There doesn’t have to be constant support between all three parties of each others policies. It’s actually a good way for the parties to operate, and have them last much longer than some think they will.
      
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      February 11, 2024 1:49pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Snap Election is something for Luxon to think about. He doesn’t seem to realise that he is 1/3rd of the coalition – no matter how many more votes got than the others.
    Luxon is not the Grand Master of the Lodge, he is simply one Leader of three.
    Peters and Seymour need to pressure Luxon more on abolishing his co-governance Maori sympathy.
    Luxon was voted there for at least two reasons: Get rid of commie Labour, and STOP the co-governance post 1975 movement. I don’t think he has the gonads.
    
    Incoming lecture from Ghost in 3, 2, 1, boom!
    
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    February 11, 2024 2:41pm
    - peterwn
      
      Chris Luxon has proven himself to be a Grand Master in the political chess game. What he has achieved in a short time is simply amazing.
      
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      February 11, 2024 5:19pm
    - Ghost
      
      Who’s going to call a snap election in your fantasy Steve?
      
      Will it be Seymour, no
      
      Newshub asked Seymour whether he threatened to go to a second election.
      
      “No, I’ve never made an explicit threat like that,” he said
      
      Even Seymour is admitting that a referendum might not be the way to go
      
      Asked if he is promising there will be a referendum if the Bill is successful, Seymour said: “No, it’s quite possible that the legislation will pass and the job will be done, Parliament has finally spoken.”
      
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      Maybe deal with facts Steve, instead of fantasy. No one is talking a snap election, not even Seymour. Just a handful of people on a political blog disconnected from the reality of what is being said and done.
      
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      February 11, 2024 5:42pm
- jon
  
  How foolish of Luxon not to wait to see what kind of public support for Seymour’s Treaty Principles emerged at the select committee. This bump in support for Act will continue. This issue has legs and the other parties will find they are out of touch with public opinion.
  
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  February 11, 2024 7:42pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2y2LfPcU4
Did the Right Wing seize Control of the EU?
As a new legislative term approaches, non-populist conservatives are reconsidering their stance on Fidesz. The significance is underscored by Fidesz’s projected win of 14 seats out of Hungary’s 21, contributing a substantial delegation to the EU Parliament. In light of this, conservatives seeking dependable allies would be wise to dismiss persistent calls from the left-liberal camp to ostracize Fidesz.
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February 11, 2024 12:17pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRPI8FKlVCw
SpaceX’s Valentine’s Day Surprise: Private Moon Mission IM-1 Launch!
Forget chocolates, SpaceX has a cosmic surprise! Join us as the IM-1 private moon mission blasts off on Valentine’s Day! This historic launch, powered by SpaceX, aims to land the first-ever private spacecraft on the lunar surface. Will it succeed? We dive deep into the mission, its audacious goals, and the potential impact on space exploration. Buckle up for a thrilling ride – love is definitely in the air (and on the moon!) this Valentine’s Day! [I hope JFK is watching.]
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February 11, 2024 12:18pm
Hugh Jarse

Listening to Simon Wilson, Nick Mills and Franciska Rudkin on Newstalk about 1115 this morning. Mills commented that the bump ACT got was due to Seymour being on the news all the time at the moment and his party’s Treaty Principles Bill appealing to the rednecks out there.

So there you go ACT supporters and other party supporters who believe in the Treaty Bill, you are rednecks according to one of your betters from the Peoples Socilaist Woke Republic of Wellington.
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February 11, 2024 12:42pm
- Elli
  
  I don’t mind. Racism is part of my heritage, glad to have it respectfully acknowledged. From the Romans through to the Normans, the Irish troubles and Scottish uprisings, my family tree – and no doubt the people they loved – has someone somewhere on both sides of the battle. There’s even a point in early NZ settler history I have had to scratch my head and think, “Hang on, how did that even happen?” I imagine them all sitting up there in heaven slapping each other on the back, laughing about the lines we like to draw between ourselves.
  
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  February 11, 2024 2:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Greed. Give an inch and they always come back for more.
    Nothing is ‘full and final’ until it is enforced.
    I am thinking my Great Grandson will still be paying, and he is 1/2048, and will never get the benefit of any settlement.
    
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    February 11, 2024 2:56pm
Ghost

Bugger. A pothole causing a work from home notice

What a joke

Tauranga residents are being told to start the week by staying off the road as “severe congestion” is expected partly due to the discovery of a huge hole under one of the city’s main routes.

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February 11, 2024 2:54pm
wreck1080

Tauranga council are advising the people of Tauranga not to drive for the next 2 days, due to road works. . .

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/major-traffic-delays-in-tauranga-for-at-least-two-days-as-emergency-repairs-undertaken-on-sh29a-near-oropi/UGHCHSOZ4JCLLK7TBXMQ2NKJAA/

Incidentally, the record drive for me is 4 hours to get from Mt Maunganui to Tauranga hospital. A couple of accidents, plus road works did that.
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February 11, 2024 3:59pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  wreck1080: “the record drive for me is 4 hours to get from Mt Maunganui to Tauranga hospital. ”
  
  Bloody hell. You probably could have got there in a quarter of the time walking?
  
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  February 11, 2024 8:52pm
  - wreck1080
    
    Yes, made the mistake of rerouting due to already being in congestion for an hour…. but, there was another accident on the the other route (Maungatapu). Essentially the entire city area was gridlocked. We’d already left 2 hours early, so were 2 hours late for the appointment… but they took us because other people were not turning up either.
    
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    February 12, 2024 7:35am
Ghost

Wow, glad you had the sense to resign

Hungary’s conservative president has resigned amid public outcry over a pardon she granted to a man convicted as an accomplice in a child sexual abuse case, a decision that unleashed an unprecedented political scandal for the long-serving nationalist government.

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- sungsamning
  
  Good to see her resigning; rather than blaming the patriarchy, or sexism, yada, yada, yada.
  
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  February 11, 2024 5:03pm
Damocles11

Melissa on OneEwes had 3 goes at says Taupo tonight. First she said it like most Kiwi’s would, realised she’d made a big mistake, had another go, then eventually got out ‘Toe Paw’ as her masters require.
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February 11, 2024 7:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And then on Country House hunting, the presenter went to W(h)anganui and couldn’t decide whether to pronounce the city name as Honganui or Fonganui.
  
  Having been born and raised in that city I never heard such silly pronunciations…and if the presenter didn’t have the sense to ask a local how to pronounce the name, then he could have looked at the City Council Guide on its pronunciation.
  
  https://www.whanganui.govt.nz/About-Whanganui/Our-District/How-we-say-Whanganui
  
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  February 11, 2024 9:32pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    That’s nothing. Evie Ashton on RNZ can’t even pronounce ‘Gisbin’.
    
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    February 11, 2024 10:38pm

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