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Steve Otto(North Shore)

Out there doing it.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-demands-election-against-biden-is-held-tuesday/ss-BB1i1Pe8
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February 10, 2024 8:02am
- mawm
  
  The MSM can’t hide it any more with the release of the Biden classified documents report. They are beginning to turn on him. How soon will it be before they are calling on his removal because he’s mentally unfit?
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:03am
  - Paulus
    
    The MSM will tell everybody that Biden is really fit and well, and that it is Trump is unfit mentally actually.
    So there !
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:41am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The Dems have started the blood letting
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If climate change is the cause of today’s disasters then what caused these? Are we having a second climate change, or is it all bullshit that only Tax can fix?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/the-middle-ages-were-rocked-by-ten-deadly-natural-disasters/ss-BB1i1Qho
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February 10, 2024 8:05am
- JackRabbit
  
  “The Year Without a Summer.”
  
  There were also period without winters. Where it was so hot major rivers dried up.
  
  In 1540 it was so hot, and rivers dried up, and you could wade across the Rhine.
  
  The Rhine is 150 metres wide and 20-25 metres deep, with a flow of 2,900 cubic metres per second. Reduced to a trickle.
  
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  February 10, 2024 8:19am
- Albie
  
  The barons obviously weren’t taxing the plebs hard enough!
  
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  February 10, 2024 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  ‘You wouldn’t know it now, but in the Middle Ages the village was a thriving port the size of the City of London’s square mile, built on fishing, trade and religious patronage. Greyfriars Monastery was established by Franciscan monks in the 1250s on lower-lying ground closer to the sea.
  
  But a massive storm in 1286 swept away the monastery, along with many homes and other buildings. The crumbling stone walls you can visit today are the remains of the “new” friary, rebuilt in the late 13th Century on land half a mile from the sea. They now stand perilously close to the edge of the cliffs – illustrating how storms, surges and coastal erosion turned the tide on thriving Dunwich, some of which was later built on higher ground.’
  
  https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20220227-dunwich-the-british-town-lost-to-the-sea
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:33am
Cassandra

Education Minister Sandford says that all stories should be told (in history curriculum). Labour’s W Jackson says Maori should be prioritised. Who is the unbalanced one?
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February 10, 2024 8:06am
- Che Guava
  
  This is a form of neutralism and capitulation, not anything positive to celebrate.
  
  We see this all the time: “the left” always push and push for bias strictly in their favour, while the so-called right come along and propose “balance” and “fairness” and other cucked and wishy washy concepts. They think this is a victory, but it isn’t.
  
  The National party seems to not be anything positive, but instead defines itself negatively as “not X” – e.g. not racist, not sexist, not “socialist,” not nasty, not exclusive …. and so on. In other words, they take all of the things our political orthodoxy tells us that people “aren’t supposed to be,” and National are “not those things.”
  
  How about we don’t “tell all stories”? How about, as an historically and characteristically European nation, we tell one New Zealand story, which is the European story, sprinkled with some Maori? Go to school in China and they aren’t being taught anything except the Chinese story.
  
  World history is a different matter, necessarily taking a much broader view of events, different nations and cultures etc. But New Zealand history is much more particular and should be inherently more focused on our part of the world.
  
  If people don’t want to come to our country and be told about the history of our country and its European roots and antecedents, then they can stay in their own countries where they will be told “their story.”
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:25am
  - Jack5
    
    Che Guava is right in that new citizens come here because NZ is a developed Western nation.
    
    While welcoming contributions of immigrants, we needn’t tolerate newcomers who rubbish, even hate, the West.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:14am
    - Che Guava
      
      “Che Guava is right in that new citizens come here because NZ is a developed Western nation.”
      
      “White supremacy” (or more accurately, White primacy) almost a necessary precondition for the highest society.
      
      Europe was the pinnacle for 2000 years because of the people who lived in Europe. As Europeans spread out across the seas, they tended to recreate Europe wherever they went, because even though the geography changed, the people developing it were the same.
      
      The claim is often made that Europe became great through colonialism and parasitism, but the colonial age didn’t begin until about 1500, at which time Europe has already been an exemplar of high civilisation for millennia. In fact, a pre-requisite for the Age of Empire from about 1500 was having a civilisation that was already rich enough, technologically advanced enough, ambitious enough and capable enough to undertake the expansion.
      
      Highly homogenous European nations became prosperous and developed because of their demographic conditions, not despite them, arguably also aided the Christianity that was the social glue and the ethical underpinning.
      
      The less-White these nations become, the less they will have the demographic attributes that made them flourish, and the worse-off everyone living in them will be, including the later arrivals, who came to enjoy the fruits of Whiteness.
      
      Once mass-immigration policies have eradicated White demographic majorities, European nations will have become just as non-White as the other countries of the world, and the incentive to emigrate to them will disappear. Everywhere will be like everywhere else.
      
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      February 10, 2024 11:57am
    - Ghost
      
      And yet, just a few nights ago che claimed he wants to work hard to make New Zealand like Russia. Sorry jack, but you’re wasting your time reading anything he writes.
      
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      February 10, 2024 10:24pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    Che – I don’t agree with everything you say but you are 100% on the money here. The right in NZ are unbelievably complacent and wishy washy when it comes to cultural issues – leaving a vacuum filled by the hard left. I think people take what we have for granted but we need to start being far more proactive about promulgating our narratives. Of course we are predominantly a European nation (complimented with Maori) – and we should be proud of that.
    
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    February 10, 2024 12:05pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    “Go to school in China and they aren’t being taught anything except the Chinese story.”
    
    Is this something you know or just choose to believe because you think it sounds true?
    I know from direct experience that Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Shakespeare, Voltaire, Beethoven, Mozart, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Einstein, Von Neuman, among many others are all being taught in Chinese schools not to mention the obvious Marx & Engels.
    Their work can’t be understood without learning their stories and that means learning their history. If you believe that the Chinese are only learning Chinese history, then you are admitting that you believe that the Chinese aren’t interested in learning about the very best, not only of art literature and music but also the best in mathematics, science, technology and business. That’s obviously false.
    Chinese automakers want to know everything they can about Henry Ford, they love that guy! Chinese businessmen want to learn and teach their children everything they can about Coco Chanel in the fashion industry or Harlan “Colonel” Sanders (KFC) and Ray Kroc (MacDonalds) in the food industry.
    In summary, the Chinese are NOT stupid. Everyone has their culture and it’s worth preserving, but Aristotle wasn’t good because he was Greek, Shakespeare wasn’t good because he was English and Mozart wasn’t good because he was Austrian. They were just good, very good and very smart and no part of preserving culture requires you to be stupid.
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:11pm
- Keith White
  
  Willie J is quite balanced. A Huge Chip on Each Shoulder…
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:49am
  - Matt Long
    
    lso dribbles out of both corners of his mouth.
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:09am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Yep Keith, and there’s no weight in his head, that’s for sure.
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:18am
  - David Garrett
    
    Keith W: Quite so…I also read somewhere that DNA tests have shown that he has very little Maori blood – around 10% IIRC.
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:28am
    - Christopher Thomson
      
      No wonder he is so looney.
      
      10% of his brain is in constant dissonance with 90% of it.
      
      I wonder how many people would acknowledge their maori ancestory if they had to contribute extra tax to pay for all the special maori privileges.
      
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      February 10, 2024 10:46am
    - Dougal10
      
      It seems the biggest activists have the least bloodlines linking them to said activism , this is a global phenomenon.
      
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      February 10, 2024 10:55am
    - Biscuit
      
      Scale him up to a decent size, DG, and I’m sure he’d reach almost 11%…
      
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      February 10, 2024 11:45am
    - Paulus
      
      Again Winston said a couple of years ago the to be a Maori you needed 1/512 to be one.
      
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      February 10, 2024 1:36pm
  - Jack5
    
    Here’s Wily Willie Jackson’s former wife, Moana Maniapoto, talking about Wily (they divorced in 2001):
    
    Back then, Willie had a short attention span. No idea about the Treaty either. I tried to break it down for him once, as we drove from Rotorua to Auckland.
    
    “Repeat back to me what I just said.” He’d give me a blank look, shrug, then laugh. Hopeless.
    
    https://e-tangata.co.nz/comment-and-analysis/moana-maniapoto-the-willie-jackson-i-know/
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:19am
    - redeye
      
      There was no money in it back then.
      
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      February 10, 2024 12:34pm
- Paulus
  
  But the Education system will only back the Maori version.
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:42am
- wreck1080
  
  Maori language has been moved into the physics curriculum now, I guess anything goes in the public education system.
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:58am
G152

The best one is coastal land loss {erosion} is due to global warming.
Nothing about wind and wave action. Blurb about sea levels though and somehow the melting of sea ice has a lot to answer for…
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February 10, 2024 8:15am
Chuck Bird

Does any one think Biden will be the Democratic candidate this year?
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February 10, 2024 8:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Any day now he will withdraw from the candidacy but remain POTUS until Trump creams it.
  
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  February 10, 2024 8:18am
  - Lee C
    
    Agreed. That way he can’t be arrested.
    
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    February 10, 2024 8:30am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      The Biden crime family have much the answer for and they will under a GOP government.
      
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      February 10, 2024 8:35am
      - mawm
        
        Hopefully. The GOP are useless. What has come of all the grandstanding in congress? They can’t even manage to impeach Mayorkas.
        
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        February 10, 2024 10:06am
      - Nookin
        
        The Biden crime family have much the answer for and they will under a GOP government.
        
        Just as Trump will have much to answer for and will continue to do so under a Dem government. At the end of the day, though, these facts are a damning indictment of the US judicial systemwhich is bordering on being an international laughingstock, rather than an indictment of the individuals personally.
        
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        February 10, 2024 10:12am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I am hoping that Trump will make an example of the Biden family as part of draining the swamp. This time he is ready for them. 2016 Trump really did underestimate the size of the swamp and the number of Democrat corruption that was going on. No more insider trading from the likes of Nancy Pelosi (crooked as a dog’s hind leg)
        That is not to say there is no corruption in the GOP. The RINOs don’t want Trump as POTUS either. Tough titties, it is happening bar assassination.
        
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        February 10, 2024 1:51pm
  - Jethrod
    
    If Biden doesn’t resign as candidate and then goes through to the election, does Harris automatically become the VP candidate?
    
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    February 10, 2024 8:40am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      No.
      
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      February 10, 2024 9:07am
    - alwyn.a
      
      No.
      Traditionally the Presidential candidate can pick whoever they like.
      In his 4 campaigns Franklin Roosevelt had 3 different Vice-Presidents.
      
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      February 10, 2024 9:09am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      It seems clear that Biden has chosen Harris as his running mate for 2024. If Biden does choose to withdraw, Harris will certainly be in contention to be the Democratic nominee for president. Not to say she will get the nomination, but she will certainly put her claim forward.
      
      A lot depends on the potential date of Biden withdrawing. If he goes late then the Democratic nominee will be chosen by the Party organisation, quite likely at the Convention, just as used to happen pre 1960.
      
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      February 10, 2024 9:18am
      - Colville
        
        Harris has seriously negative approval rating, she would be massacred by Trump.
        
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        February 10, 2024 9:54am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘A lot depends on the potential date of Biden withdrawing.’
        
        Biden ,along with names of past and present foreign presidents , has a bigly problem remembering dates .
        
        But hey , Trump , Trump, Trump.
        
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        February 10, 2024 10:36am
      - cmm
        
        Of course the Dems have discussed this all behind closed doors. This is not out in the open for obvious reasons.
        
        They will have selected their Plan B (or Plan A depending on how you look at it) and have everything ready to go.
        
        If they do make a move, then I expect this will be at the convention.
        
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        February 10, 2024 11:11am
- Grunter
  
  His latest press conference yesterday is like a comedy stand up. I’m not even certain it’s not some sort of AI scam it is that bad. An angry old man with no memory berating journos. He mixed up Egypt and Mexico. And lots of mumbling.
  
  If he ends up winning again then the US deserve what they get.
  
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  February 10, 2024 8:27am
  - kowtow
    
    And suddenly the “journos” sound now after years of silence like a baying mob.
    I wonder if they realise they sound as demented as their latest target .
    
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    February 10, 2024 9:09am
    - artemisia
      
      If it bleeds, even figuratively, it leads. Because eyeballs. And revenue.
      
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      February 10, 2024 11:15am
  - David Garrett
    
    Grunter: It continues to astound me that in a country of 340 odd million, the “best” they can come up with as candidates for president is a geriatric who is clearly halfway to losing his marbles completely, and a rampant narcissist, tax evader, misogynist, massive bullshit artist…
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:32am
    - Grunter
      
      Yep, and as we know, the ‘Deep State’ in the US is corrupt and very powerful. More powerful than the POTUS. Even dirty old Putin said that yesterday in his interview.
      
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      February 10, 2024 11:00am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      David, many Americans are pro gun, and fanatically anti abortion. I believe Trump was once liberal on abortion but changed for political reasons. Biden is meant to be a Catholic but is pro abortion up till birth.
      
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      February 10, 2024 11:29am
      - julesnzuk
        
        Chuck, the majority of Americans aren’t fanatically anti-abortion, it’s the fundamentalist Christian elements. Granted, there are more of them than in any other Western country, but they are still a minority (albeit a vocal one with powerful lobbyists). I would have thought that if the Republicans ditched the anti-abortion crap (which puts off a lot of centre-right types), and let the fundamentalists form their own Christian party, they’d bolt in.
        
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        February 10, 2024 12:13pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Biden is not a Catholic. He might say he is but by his words and actions he obviously isn’t.
        
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        February 10, 2024 12:15pm
      - kowtow
        
        jules
        
        Whatever about the fundies you’re so dismissive of , don’t rule out the Hispanics /latinos ( or whatever the latest fad name is) who will be overwhelmingly RC .
        
        lifesgood
        
        Agree Biden is a bigly fraud on his RCism ( prayer bead waving hypocrite that he is) and he’s also more English than Paddy in his dna ( as I understand it) but there’s more votes in playing the Mick.
        
        But i suppose that’s politics , one big show to fool the punters .
        
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        February 10, 2024 2:05pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Imagine saying you talked to Mitteron in 2020 after he has been dead since 96
    
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    February 10, 2024 1:09pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I have talked to my dead mother but only when I am dreaming.
      
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      February 10, 2024 1:48pm
- sirknz
  
  ‘Big Mike’ Obama will be helicoptered in at the last minute.
  
  The MSM and the Democrats are clearly orchestrating things to get Biden off the ballot and keep Kamala Harris away from the reigns of power, just look at the fact that Biden isn’t considered competent enough to stand trial but is apparently competent enough to run a country.
  
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  February 10, 2024 8:27am
  - David Garrett
    
    sirk: REINS of power old boy…a king or queen REIGNS
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:33am
  - Paulus
    
    The Obama’s are making much more money outside the current desire by the MSM to re enter the Political Arena.
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’m still saying Hillary will be the surprise.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:14am
    - Colville
      
      Putting a loser up against Trump? They aren’t that stupid. My money is on the big M.
      
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      February 10, 2024 11:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Hillary is the best cheat in the World. If caught she will teflon her way out of it.
        
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        February 10, 2024 2:01pm
    - Paulus
      
      Hilary will be the clown to laugh at !
      
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      February 10, 2024 1:39pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    I seriously doubt it.
    She would only have a fraction of the political pull Obama had and the whole job is a death-trap nightmare for anyone who isn’t a steely hearted operator.
    If she had any serious political ambitions, we would have seen them before now and she would have followed a path similar to Hilary Clinton.
    Currently the prediction markets have her at ~7% and I think that is a bit too optimistic.
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:44pm
- Pavel
  
  In regards to Biden, something that everyone seems to forget is that he has had 2 brain aneurysms in his lifetime.
  
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  February 10, 2024 8:37am
  - Lee C
    
    It’s fair to say he’s probably forgotten them, Pavel.
    
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    February 10, 2024 9:58am
- Philview
  
  Even TVNZ News was discussing the Hur Report last night. He is toast.
  
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  February 10, 2024 8:43am
  - Grunter
    
    CNN mocked him as well….!! Something is happening.
    
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    February 10, 2024 9:36am
- imalwaysright
  
  They will euthanise him close to the election .
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:03am
  - Grunter
    
    Potentially both Trump and Biden get taken out before the election.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:02am
  - Damocles11
    
    “Biden’s The First President You Can Punch Assassinate”
    -Shane Gillis
    
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    February 10, 2024 3:49pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I wouldn’t be surprised if he is gone by Easter, what a disaster the giggling VP would be for the world
  
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  February 10, 2024 11:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

2.34 BILLION metric tons of rare earth minerals discovered in Wyoming that could make US ‘world leader’
Watch Biden take credit for this……

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/beyond-our-wildest-dreams-2-34-billion-metric-tons-of-rare-earth-minerals-discovered-in-wyoming-that-could-make-us-world-leader/ar-BB1hZSRl#image=BB1hZGm9|9
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February 10, 2024 8:15am
- Albie
  
  Imagine if a geologist discovered a similar site here and had the gall to suggest we dig it up and make the country wealthy. Heaven forbid.
  
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  February 10, 2024 8:28am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Albie,
    
    As long as we get Shane Jones down there first with a shoe box to shift the frogs. Ka pai
    
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    February 10, 2024 9:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The crazy socialist making Captain’s Calls has run away now.
    
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    February 10, 2024 9:44am
  - artemisia
    
    Let us not forget the seabed. New Zealand has a massive EEZ, rare earth minerals have been detected alongside other valuable extractions, not allowed to mine them.
    
    No problem, we can get poorer, own nothing and be happy. Or emigrate.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:05am
- Ian Boag
  
  If you read up a bit about rare earth metal production – the extraction and processing are incredibly harsh environmentally. Not just a matter of digging it up, melting things and job done. All sorts of acids and toxic stuff involved plus an awful lot of toxic tailings.
  
  One of the reasons China is the main producer is that they don’t sweat all that. They also dropped the bottom out of the price which made a lot of other facilities uncompetitive.
  
  This is not to say it should not be exploited ….
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:36am
  - mawm
    
    In many places they have been mined where vast swathes of natural vegetation had to be removed, the soil mined, minerals extracted, soil replaced and the area reforested without the impact you mention.
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:12am
    - kowtow
      
      Funny how everyone goes on about ‘toxic’ mining ……
      
      ……and they live in cities which must be “incredibly harsh environmentally”.Not to mention totally dependant on mining / extraction to exist in the first place and to continue to.
      
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      February 10, 2024 10:42am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, areas near Beaumont have been mined, now the area is beautiful rolling farm land that was lumpy semi unproductive before
      
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      February 10, 2024 11:17am
      - Taieri
        
        But then you have a big hole at Macraes and another one at Bannockburn or tailings at Earncleugh. Not everything can be re-cultivated.
        
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        February 10, 2024 2:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Pike River comes to mind. Open cast was the way, but the fucking Greens!
      
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      February 10, 2024 2:03pm
      - Damocles11
        
        It would have ended up being a beautiful man-made lake for the blue ducks had they just done open pit, and nobody would have died.
        
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        February 10, 2024 3:51pm
  - Albie
    
    Ian, I do read up a lot on this and am well aware of the damage being done to the land and communities in China and the Congo in particular. Not something the Green’s wish to acknowledge in their drive for electric cars and renewable energy.
    However, western countries have strict environmental legislation and the sort of mining practices you refer to would not be tolerated. Astronomical fines, prosecutions and closures would await any mining company damaging the environment.
    That’s all by the by as I can’t see mining on any increased scale happening here no matter what may be discovered in the future.
    
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    February 10, 2024 1:09pm
- iMP
  
  You mean like volcanoes do? Queue the new 3km fissure that opened in Iceland yesterday.
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:50am
  - David Garrett
    
    CUE the new fissure…fissures – being geographical features – don’t QUEUE…People do it quite often though…
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:35am
    - cmm
      
      DG: You are entirely correct that queue is not the word and that cue is.
      
      However, fissures, being geological features, don’t take cues either.
      
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      February 10, 2024 11:14am
      - Inandout
        
        cmm, anyone who has acted on stage knows what ‘cue’ means. Hopefully the other queue would refer to theatre goers lining up.
        
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        February 10, 2024 12:34pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Then there is a snooker ‘cue’
        Some call it a bat. Ball Basher Barry!
        
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        February 10, 2024 2:06pm
wreck1080

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/major-traffic-delays-on-sh2-leave-angry-motorists-frustrated/JA32ZKRGZZCQLHDL2ET5P337LY/

SH2 into Tauranga has been abysmal for a number of years now. Katikati is also a huge issue. Congestion on the other road into Tauranga from the Kaimais is also terrible. I’ve been caught in multi kilometer queues where you think there must have been roadworks or an accident, but it is just congestion.

For whatever reason Tauranga has been largely ignored when it comes to roads, internally and externally. Many of the road works being done are to ‘slow’ traffic down, including the removal of entire lanes to accommodate absurd cycle corridors.
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February 10, 2024 8:17am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Driving up from Napier to Auckland – so many cones, even where there are no roadworks. Literally kilometre after kilometre, for no readily apparent reason. The temptation is to ignore them, which is not a good outcome.
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Need one of these to tidy up the road cones.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ENiSJX5_s
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Is that not where Nats started the 4 lanning , but Labour stopped it dead?
  
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  February 10, 2024 11:19am
- Paulus
  
  Tauranga has been ignored for years as both local MPs are National.
  
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  February 10, 2024 1:41pm
  - Cassandra
    
    Not when National is in power. But certainty Labour and co would do nothing for Tauranga.
    
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    February 10, 2024 2:52pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They started the 4 lanning to Katikati when Nats weee in last, Labour stopped it half way
    
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    February 10, 2024 8:19pm
- Damocles11
  
  National wanted to build a proper highway, Labour scuppered it. I’ve posted about this situation before.
  
  ‘More than 6000 vehicles per day had been added to the Waihī to Tauranga corridor in the past decade.’
  
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  February 10, 2024 3:53pm
- Damocles11
  
  Article from 2018 on the Waihi to Tauranga road here –
  
  https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/189281-whats-next-tauranga-northern-link.html
  
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  February 10, 2024 4:00pm
Lee C

It’s official. TDS is a dinosaur:
https://youtu.be/6b8StTGxSEE
Michael Rapaport admits he was wrong about Trump.
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February 10, 2024 8:21am
- sirknz
  
  D list actor yells at cloud.
  
  The last semi decent thing he did was voice a character in a video game franchise ~15 years ago.
  
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  February 10, 2024 8:29am
  - MCōs
    
    I’d never heard of the chap.
    I notice Fox labels him as a far-left comic, whatever that means coming from them
    
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    February 10, 2024 9:30am
Toes on the nose

Two weeks in and the school phone ban is working a treat. Productivity is way up and even old hardcore tribal labour teachers are questionning their hardwired Nat-hate. The not insignificant RW silent minority are chuffed. Now they just need to turn around the cluster*&^% that is a lot of the curriculum and MoE (crystal burying good & marking mistake wrong is bad).
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February 10, 2024 8:21am
- MCōs
  
  It doesn’t apply until next term
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:10am
  - Cantabrian
    
    That hasn’t stopped many schools successfully implementing it.
    
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    February 10, 2024 9:31am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Even averagely-run schools know that the time to bring in new policies is the start of the year.
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, but teachers wees told to start getting ready now, many have
    
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    February 10, 2024 8:20pm
Grunter

Have your say on the COVID inquiry. Deadline March 24

https://www.covid19inquiry.nz
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February 10, 2024 8:32am
I remember when

The media are starting to lament to future prospects of the Labour Party.
However, to date, they have not drawn attention to the fact that their last two unifying leaders were Helen Clark and Jacinda.
After Helen departed the Party went into a spin, even though they had had a successful period in government.
What are their chances after Jacinda, when even their supporters recognise the failures of the term in government.
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February 10, 2024 8:49am
- MCōs
  
  It seems to happen to both of the two major parties after a long standing leader.
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:15am
  - cmm
    
    Nope, Key was the opposite of Clark. He gave the ministers around him space to operate and grow.
    
    Look at Bill English. He was really the brains behind the operation. He had space to do what he did best.
    We could say the same of many of the ministers.
    
    Key walked away with National still highly functional. Both Cindy and Clark left smouldering hulks.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:25am
- cmm
  
  Neither Clark nor Cindy were “unifying”. Both left the party in a way worse state than they found it.
  
  Clark ruled her government with an iron fist. She didn’t allow her ministers to do anything on their own. She completely stifled the growth of the party around her. My way or the highway. Thus when she left Labour was a talentless void.Very poor leadership.
  
  In Cindy’s case it was Brand Cindy above Brand Labour. We saw that in the 2017 elections where people voted for Cindy, personally, not for Labour.
  
  Cindy was also a poor leader for the polar opposite reason in that she didn’t reign in her MPs enough. And, again she didn’t build anything. Very poor leadership..
  
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  February 10, 2024 11:22am
- Paulus
  
  Next after Chippy is gonna be a so called women to lead Labour (to oblivion).
  Any guesses who – some are working on it.
  
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  February 10, 2024 1:43pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And Mauri
    
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    February 10, 2024 8:21pm
Pope Punctilious II

Glad tidings! Otago University has appointed its first Deputy Vice-Chancellor Maaori. No, not a Maaori Deputy VC, it’s a new special deputy VC position. And she’s slightly paler than I am.

Curious that NZ’s cash-strapped unis can somehow rustle up the funding for new administrative positions like this one. But what we’re seeing now is a perverse type of competition between NZ unis, each trying to prove they’re more “treaty-focused” and “anti-racist” than the next.
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February 10, 2024 9:07am
- nathie
  
  Waddaya reckon the salary will be? $200k-$500k?
  
  Add in other supporting staff ($200k-$500k?) and perhaps that’s up to $1 million the University needs to find to fund these initiatives.
  
  Presumably they aren’t generating this amount as new revenue so guess this amount is taken out of existing budgets (eg cut backs in staff or maintenance or other initiatives across the Uni).
  
  Also are there any KPI’s to demonstrate this initiative is positively helping Maori student recruitment, achievement and pass rates? Because surely this is the number one and only priority?
  
  Or is it simply more Ti Tiriti virtue signalling for the Uni “elites” to brag about at conferences or hui and the like? In other words more top heavy bureaucracy?
  
  Oh and can anyone outside Ngāi Tahu apply for such a role or is it limited to tribes within the Uni’s catchment?
  
  Isn’t that discriminatory? Or is “racist” to not adhere to the Te ao Māori worldview of your tribe comes first? Especially if one is “elite”?
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:43am
  - John Loveridge
    
    They’ll cut science research funding and so forth to make room in the budget for these no-hopers.
    
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    February 10, 2024 3:25pm
- Burtland
  
  “another (Labour) Government behemoth quietly slipped out of the shipyards and headed out to sea”
  
  He Puapua’s co-governance is alive and well – new VCM Jacinta Ruru was one of the authors
  
  https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/03/graham-adams-next-stop-for-co.html#more
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:49am
  - Burtland
    
    Shes involved in Recognizing the Legal Personality of Nature – creating “a legal entity” with “all the rights, powers, duties, and liabilities of a legal person
    – 2014 Te Urewera, 2017 Whanganui River and currently Mount Taranaki
    
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-handbook-of-environmental-justice-and-sustainable-development/indigenous-ancestors/AFA2EB3CCD68C6A427B9A78A02EB7929
    
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    February 10, 2024 12:05pm
    - Countrygirl
      
      Are these legal persons going to start paying rates and taxes or are they intending to freeload?
      
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      February 10, 2024 4:58pm
      - Burtland
        
        seems the Whanganui River has all the rights, powers, duties, and liabilities of a legal person
        
        only a clown could come up with this
        – maybe the river is liable for flood damage ?
        
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        February 10, 2024 9:45pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    I am, shall we say, very familiar with the NZ tertiary education and science sectors, and I can assure you that the agenda described by Adams is now quite advanced. The change of government has not as yet made the slightest difference.
    
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    February 10, 2024 8:18pm
- kowtow
  
  Ah so.
  
  NZME in yesterday’s report on charities.
  
  “Vice chancellor prof David Murdoch ( resigned June 2023)
  Average executive salary $251 ,444.
  ……making more than 100 staff redundant last year to cover a deficit from lower than expected student numbers”.
  
  I wonder how the chopped staff and any still under threat feel about the new and no doubt seriously expensive hire. And just what will the post bring to this oldest and most colonial of university institutions.
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:59am
  - artemisia
    
    How much of the student reduction is due to a realisation that New Zealand’s universities are heading fast to be ethno-unis. Overseas and locals. Otago leading the way.
    
    Might be a new med school on the way … Oh dear, how sad.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:53am
- Grunter
  
  She’s a clear cut activist that is part of the Māori Separatist movement.
  
  Born in Aust.
  
  Her mum is an Ozzie with English grandparents. Her dad has some level of Māori bloodlines (50% at best)
  
  So this useful idiot at best has 25% Māori and 75% European.
  
  But she is often seen wearing feather cloaks etc so she clearly “identifies as a Māori”. So very qualified to have this woke racist position that is clearly a sham. She will be very effective at brainwashing young Otago Uni Students.
  
  I just wish it would hurry up and go bankrupt so we get rid of this horrible institution.
  
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  February 10, 2024 11:16am
  - MCōs
    
    Being born in Australia doesn’t necessarily make her an idiot, Grunter.
    BTW
    With a nom de plume like that you should be careful about casting aspersions
    
    GRUNTER
    noun
    a person or animal that grunts, esp a pig
    
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    February 10, 2024 12:22pm
    - Cassandra
      
      He wasn’t, MCos. He was making the point that her DNA is mostly non-Maori. Try reading the post.
      
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      February 10, 2024 2:55pm
      - MCōs
        
        They called her an idiot, n’est-ce pas, which she clearly isn’t if you read her cv
        
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        February 10, 2024 6:21pm
    - Grunter
      
      MCos
      You are usually better than that. All a bit weird…..?
      
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      February 10, 2024 3:48pm
- cmm
  
  I think the basket weaving degrees are far more profitable for universties than the real technical stuff.
  
  It is easy to find staff for a basket weaving degree. Unlike technical staff, they are generally unemployable in the real world so there is nowhere else to go.
  
  There are no expensive labs to run. There is no international reputation etc to worry about.
  
  So it is really easy to see why universities will go down this route.
  
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  February 10, 2024 11:29am
- Burtland
  
  seems Erica Stanford is asleep at the helm ?
  
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  February 10, 2024 11:38am
  - artemisia
    
    Penny Simmonds. Doubt she is snoozing.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:56am
- Prince
  
  Another signpost on the road to Apartheid.
  Then is no other destination.
  
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  February 10, 2024 12:50pm
- Clyde
  
  And her husband is Andrew Geddis – well known person that the MSM love to interview.
  
  She is one of the people who authored He Puapua and is one of the chosen few at the once respected Uni of Otago which is on its way down the proverbial tubes.
  
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  February 10, 2024 1:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Funny thing this facial recognition technology thingee…

Seems to work OK (and has for the last 20 years or so) for getting into and out of the country, but somehow it’s going to stuff up with certain females in supermarkets….

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/02/08/maori-women-and-women-of-color-will-be-targeted-in-foodstuffs-facial-recognition-trial-maori-tech-expert/
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February 10, 2024 9:18am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Apropos of complaints that facial recognition tech doesn’t work so well for people of colour … seems to work ok in China.
  
  Or don’t they count?
  
  https://www.npr.org/2021/01/05/953515627/facial-recognition-and-beyond-journalist-ventures-inside-chinas-surveillance-sta
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:29am
  - Biscuit
    
    NMTB, from my Diary after a day in Tienanien Square:
    
    Not unreasonably, you must pass through a metal detector before being allowed into the Square and your belongings are searched and x-rayed. But I must say that I’ve never felt so watched in my life. The place was crawling with soldiers, policemen (in poorly-disguised plain clothes, ha) and miscellaneous security persons. All there, natch, to clamp down on protest because there’s certainly nothing here to steal. Without exaggeration, I would guess that, of all the people here today, about 10% were security! And see those ginormous lamp posts in those pics? Each of them has multiple security cameras that record both vision and sound.
    
    Oh yes, if you’re a European, expect to spend a lot of the day getting asked for a photo by Chinese tourists. You’ll feel quite the celebrity! One guide book I’d read said that these people are mostly from villages and have likely never seen white people before – so they’re keen to take pictures so they could show them off back home. ‘Is true what they say about Western men. Look at this one. Ain’t he sexy?’ Look, these are my journals, okay, and my fantasies! Some people even handed Jaynie their babies so that a pic could be taken … and, yep, shown off to incredulous folk back in the village…
    
    Small groups of soldiers marched seemingly haphazardly through the Square, amongst the milling throngs who parted to make way for the formations. I would see individual soldiers, all looking impossibly-young, standing guard throughout the city – in front of department stores, hotels and in seemingly arbitrary locations around parks. A few were like Buckingham Palace guards at the gates of the Forbidden City. I was impressed by the extreme slenderness of most of the soldiers. But I was also aware that their slenderness made them (intentionally, I bet) appear less threatening.
    
    We roamed about, gawking, playing a game of Spot-The-Secret-Policeman, and we found ourselves running into a ginormous queue of some of the 20,000 or so folk who file daily past the crystal coffin (raised from a freezer every morning and lowered back down in the evening) where Mao himself lies, tucked under a cosy red flag featuring the hammer and sickle. To get in for a five-second march past his displayed body requires a patient two-hour wait.
    
    Admission to Mao’s Mausoleum is free but we didn’t go in. I’m not particularly fond of even moderate-leftish live politicians, ha, so why anyone would think I would wanna gaze at the remains of a hard-line-left dead politician somewhat eluded me.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:13am
    - lifesgood
      
      My exact experience in Tiananmen Square. Actually saw security rush across the square to accost a tour guide who must have said or done something they didn’t approve of. It’s a scary place alright.
      
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      February 10, 2024 12:24pm
- greybeard
  
  What on earth is “a Māori AI specialist and tech ethicist” ?
  Is she a maori who is a specialist in AI, or is she a specialist who knows all about “Maori AI”, as opposed to “non-maori AI” ?
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:40am
  - Biscuit
    
    Greybeard, the term is fully described under Unwritten Clause 123,456 (iii (b) of that all-encompassing Te Tiriti o Waitangi…
    
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    February 10, 2024 9:43am
  - pdm
    
    gb/Biscuit – Willie Jackson in drag.
    
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    February 10, 2024 9:54am
  - cmm
    
    These people have popped up all over the place. There were some lectures from someone with a PhD in AI ethics in an AI course I did last year.
    
    She works for Google but also lectures at Harvard etc.
    
    These people are obsessed with the idea that AI will discriminate against people in various ways. For example:
    * point the crime-fighting finger at people of colour (or some other group).
    * not work for people of colour (or some other group) due to limitations of how it has been trained.
    
    The thing with AI is that it just recognises patterns in the data. The AI algorithms themselves are not racist, but if there are patterns in the data, then the AI will find them and use them without feeling guilty.
    
    So while security staff might have been brow beaten to ignore offending from Maori to not make Maori look bad and to avoid being called racist, an AI does not have feelings of guilt, shame etc. The AI doesn’t mind being called racist. It just looks at data and blows the whistle.
    
    This offends the ethicists because the AI can’t be controlled to follow constructed norms.
    
    IMHO this is just woke bullshit.
    
    Then there are the concerns that if an AI system has, for example, been trained on predominately light skinned people then it will have insufficient data to work with dark skinned people. This is a fair concern with much technology – not just AI. Since the AI just looks for patterns, there is some concern that the AI could just learn that “darkies are criminals” and essentially weight the criminality score of people based on their skin colour.
    
    Yup, that’s potentially a concern.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:42am
    - Jake Dee
      
      A.I. & Big Data is going to slaughter a lot of Liberal sacred cows over the next few years especially about race/ethnicity.
      
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      February 10, 2024 10:56pm
  - Jack5
    
    The Maori AI expert describes himself on Linked In as: “Dr Karaitiana Taiuru JP, MInstD Māori AI/Data and Emerging Tech Ethicis [sic], IP & Kaupapa Māori Researcher.
    
    An IT expert who lists “JP” after his name. “MInstD” may or may not stand for member of Institute of directors.
    
    Someone may be more successful than me at finding his Ph.D. thesis.
    
    There’s more on Dr Taiuru at the web site linked to below:
    
    https://www.taiuru.maori.nz/
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:52am
- John Loveridge
  
  Too bad for her. Foodstuffs supermarkets are private property. Their house, their rules. Don’t like it, shop somewhere else.
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:49am
  - Che Guava
    
    “”Privacy Commissioner Michael Webster will be closely monitoring the Foodstuffs trial, which is anticipated to run no more than six months.
    
    “New Zealanders deserve to shop for their milk and bread without having their faces scanned unless it’s really justified,” Webster says.
    
    “We wouldn’t accept being fingerprinted and checked at the door before shopping for groceries – that sounds ludicrous – but FRT is a similar biometric process that is faster, machine-run, happens in a nanosecond, and creates a template to compare your face to, now and in the future,” he says.””
    
    First, this will be a permanent feature, not only a six month trial. You’re kidding yourself if you believe otherwise. What happens when every possible option has the same technology?
    
    Second, is a society without constant invasive surveillance better than one with ubiquitous monitoring from which there is no escape?
    
    The pretext is always “safety” or “preventing crime” or some other such superficially plausible pretext. The reason can never be what it actually is, which is constant loss of liberty and the growth of an ever-more ubiquitous control matrix.
    
    In a society that already has security cameras all over the place from whose reach there is little chance of escape or respite, are we a safer society now than we were before their advent and tumor-like spread? The statistics unequivocally tell us we are far less safe and that there is far more crime. Clearly, security cameras and the like aren’t making our society any better, in fact it’s the underlying motivation for them that makes it the opposite.
    
    I don’t give a shit if it’s a “private business” – it is a “private business” that necessarily exists in a public society made up of human beings who should be afforded a minimum level of dignity, and we shouldn’t have to be treated like livestock that are constantly monitored, controlled, directed and dehumanised in the process.
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:50am
    - Jake Dee
      
      These are legitimate points but they have basically been examined before and solutions found when we had things like photographs and fingerprints discovered in the 19th century and computer systems in the 20th.
      Reasonable rules can be made and enforced. Would you like a strong and honest doorman at the front of your building opening the door for only the correct people and barring the rest? What’s the difference if it’s a flesh and blood man or a robot?
      
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      February 10, 2024 11:03pm
  - cmm
    
    “shop” somewhere else
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:42am
- pdm
  
  MW – about 18 months ago I almost got flattened by a Security Guard at the Hastings Pack N Save as mrspdm and I were walking in to buy a few things.
  
  Said Security Guard was chasing two teenage Maori Boys who were wheeling out a trolley threequaters full of unpaid for goods. Two meters behind me there were groceries everywhere as they tipped over the trolley and took off.
  
  Maybe the targeted `Maori’ woman was the mastermind and was sitting in the getaway car waiting for the delivery.
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:53am
- MCōs
  
  I was listening to someone talking about the technology just the other day when I was stuck in traffic
  It seems it’s about 90% accurate or to put it another way 10% inaccurate and because it was developed in America using different subjects than our neck of the woods, less accurate for ethnicities not common over there particularly those with a dark complexion
  The system also uses existing CCTV which doesn’t have ideal resolution
  The point being it’s not foolproof and the shit can hit the fan if too many law abiding citizens, such as ourselves, are misidentified as petty thieves or worse staff battering thugs
  My iPhone uses face recognition software to unlock, but that only works under ideal conditions
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:55am
  - wreck1080
    
    Mine works pretty well .
    
    Even if the tech is 10% inaccurate today, this is a revolutionary improvement on 10 years ago where it barely worked at all. We’ve gone from a lab to practical application.
    
    10 years from now the accuracy will be almost perfect! Imagine 32k wide angle cameras capable of recognising thousands of faces an hour.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:18am
  - Elli
    
    In the Herald, a Foodstuffs spokesperson said they knew who the bad guys were, because they keep coming back and doing more stupid stuff. Not a very good recommendation on our policing, but there you go. Like most hi-tech installations in NZ, the technical potential is far above the ability of people to use it to full advantage. I’m sure there will be a graduation of action, such as a face being “recognised” and then a real live person goes to look to see if what is visible on the monitor is accurate. It’s not like there will be machine guns in the ceiling blasting away at pixelated targets.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:40am
  - Jack5
    
    Cossie on face recognition technology, 9.55 post: … less accurate for ethnicities not common over there particularly those with a dark complexion…
    
    In the 2022 estimates there were 45.5 million African Americans or Africans in the US; and 20.9 million Asian Americans.
    
    The bigger Hispanic, or Latino, population is more difficult to classify as many of these folk identify as “white”. The American census thus classifies ethnic Europeans generally as “White alone non-Hispanic.”
    
    Because AI algorithms “learn” from new information they should improve with time and more data. Also camera technology will likely improve for analysing faces that reflect less light.
    
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    February 10, 2024 12:08pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I think it explains who the problem “customers” are quite neatly though.
  
  Why else would the “academic” be so concerned on their behalf….?
  
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  February 10, 2024 12:03pm
- Paulus
  
  They are already wearing face masks !
  
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  February 10, 2024 1:46pm
Maggie Pie

Thort I might get in before ‘milkey’ …….

**HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR!**

[The Year Of The Dragon]

We’re getting Won Tons and Chips tonite to cerrarate 😀 😀 😀
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February 10, 2024 9:23am
- Biscuit
  
  The Year of the Dragon, too, Maggie.
  
  And I’m a Dragon – being born in 1952. So, too, are those of you who arrived in 1964, 1976. 1988 and 2000 – presuming that no-one reading this was hatched as recently as 2012…
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:32am
- MCōs
  
  Make your own
  https://hungryinthailand.com/recipe/thai-fried-wonton-recipe/
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    How come the Thai ones are not as ‘crispy’ or big as Chinese ones Cossie?
    I do luv them but they’re always sort of soft & soggy.
    
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    February 10, 2024 9:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think he might be in KB jail.
  Might go down to the Northcote Center for the festival. They have ‘money bags’ there.
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:53am
  - Jethrod
    
    What….all 5 copies of him?
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:16am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maybe if one IP address is blocked the VPNs don’t work?
      
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      February 10, 2024 11:27am
  - Countrygirl
    
    Wheres Benedict?. He popped up for a while and has gone again unfortunately
    
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    February 10, 2024 5:06pm
Swifty

I don’t think it reasonable that employers are held liable for the stupidity or lack of care from their employees.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/southland-rural-contractor-sued-by-irish-court-for-nearly-6m-over-catastrophic-2015-accident/OM6OIWVUK5F7XG3L5GLO4XPE6M/

Totally tragic for the young guy but it looks like he chose to ignore his training and chose to depart from safe practice. Holding the employer liable in this circumstance is wrong – and opens the door to requiring all staff to be supervised at all times and what will that do to our productivity and costs of goods and services?
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February 10, 2024 9:37am
- peterwn
  
  The issue now is whether the Irish judgment would be enforced by a NZ court and a law academic discussed this in the article. It would seem that as a NZ court will not award damages in personal accident cases covered by ACC (there are rare exceptions where there was very gross negligence) a NZ court would almost certainly decline to enforce the Irish judgment in NZ. There was nothing in the ‘Irish Examiner’ article as to whether the NZ contractor attempted to defend the case. It may well be the NZ contractor made no attempt to defend the case in the Irish court as he or his lawyer or insurance company considered any judgment would be unenforceable in NZ.
  It is quite open (and may be the best option) for anyone facing legal action in a foreign court to simply thumb his nose at the foreign court if attempted enforcement of any judgment via a NZ court would be futile.
  
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  February 10, 2024 12:12pm
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, good points.
    
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    February 10, 2024 1:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Grief…

I’ve just washed my fortune away…

https://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/festivals/chinese-new-year-taboos.htm
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February 10, 2024 9:42am
- Biscuit
  
  I’m sweet, Maggy, not having done any of those things today!
  
  I am, pics are available!. even resplendent in my Liverpool Football Club red boxer shorts…
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:48am
  - pdm
    
    Thank goodness Kiwiblog does not allow photos of Scousers.
    
    DPF’s rule 67543891 BCD06.
    
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    February 10, 2024 9:58am
- Maggie Pie
  
  OMG….wish you’d posted that earlier!
  Just washed my hair and hanged the clothes out.
  
  Have you tried that Chinese Bamboo Toilet Paper, Maggz?
  Maybe that’s why they walk funny 😀
  
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  February 10, 2024 9:57am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    yep, this one.
    https://au.whogivesacrap.org/collections/all
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:18am
  - David Garrett
    
    Maggie: You HUNG the washing out dear…washing – and pictures – are hung, men are HANGED
    
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    February 10, 2024 10:39am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Not in my dicktionary DG.
      It’s the men that are HUNG 😛
      
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      February 10, 2024 10:48am
      - David Garrett
        
        Excellent retort! That particular usage is coyly described as (Colloq.) or (vulg.)
        
        That latter more apt than the firmer perhaps…
        
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        February 10, 2024 10:59am
      - Biscuit
        
        Less of the in-your-endo, you two!
        
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        February 10, 2024 11:15am
      - cmm
        
        DG: Firmer?
        You just had to slip that in…
        
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        February 10, 2024 11:46am
iMP

20,000 Chinese at the new years celebrations in Chch yesterday. Will their story be told in the new compulsory Aotearoa NZ History curriculum? They vastly outnumber Maori in “Otautahi” and have made a huge silent contribution to NZ. Gold mining, spagnem (sp?) moss industry, market gardening industry…
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February 10, 2024 9:55am
- Maggie Pie
  
  …..methamphetamine precursor.
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:01am
- MCōs
  
  10% of the population of Chch is Māori & 15% Asian, but that includes a lot from SE Asia, India
  There’s in excess of thirty Thai restaurants, for example
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:07am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Preponderance of Thai restaurants is apparently due to a Thai govt initiative to finance Thai people into starting restaurants all over the world. I guess their equivalent of the German Goethe or Chinese Confucian institutes.
    
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    February 10, 2024 12:26pm
- kowtow
  
  The vast majoridy of that 20,000 will have nothing to do with the early Chinese migration here . The vast majority of the early migration did not consider NZ as home but only as a place to make a quick buck and then move on.
  
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  February 10, 2024 12:05pm
- Damocles11
  
  As long as the Musket Wars and the Moriori Genocide are included in the new NZ history courses.
  
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  February 10, 2024 4:28pm
Swifty

Eating meat perpetuates white supremacy among other evil things:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xaMuj-UwNtw

Wow, I never knew that.

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February 10, 2024 10:07am
- James Stephenson
  
  Sounds good to me. Make mine rare with pepper sauce.
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:21am
- mandk
  
  Oddly, whenever I hear arguments like that, I get an irresistible urge to tuck into a large, juicy steak.
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I blame men….
  
  Western hegemonic masculinity is partly defined
  by its relationship to food and the natural world. When men eat meat, they are symbolically partaking in an act of domination over the natural world and women.
  
  https://stars.library.ucf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1138&context=urj
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:51am
  - kowtow
    
    How about “The British countryside is a “racist and colonial” white space and people of colour are often framed as “out of place”, wildlife charities have said.
    
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/british-countryside-racist-colonial-white-space/
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:04am
    - Che Guava
      
      Imagine a White society like Britain being full of White people (notwithstanding that everything is being done to rapidly alter Britain’s racial demographics). How unexpected.
      
      You don’t see any articles decrying the fact that Black countries in Africa are full of Black people and thus that White people feel out of place in them. Obviously, then, the “problem” here isn’t that one or another race is predominant, it is that Whites alone have a moral duty to never be a majority anywhere.
      
      This is why I don’t give a crap whenever “racism” is invoked, because “racism” is designed to subjugate and disadvantage White people and White people only. If you’re “racist” you’re just not deferring to non-White people who tend to dislike you anyway.
      
      Moreover, they tell us that race doesn’t matter and that race doesn’t make any material difference, yet also that people of different races have different views towards or reactions to the same hills, trees and rivers, on the basis of their race.
      
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      February 10, 2024 12:11pm
  - Swifty
    
    Gee, we men had better change our ways.
    
    We wouldn’t want any radical-lefty feminist types thinking poorly of us.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:14am
  - CJames
    
    Maggy
    You article is a prime example of why academics are treated with disdain nowadays. They dress up their prejudices in flowery language and treat it seriously while the rest of society laughs. No doubt it was peer reviewed as well.
    She is supposed to be Department of Philosophy but no doubt in the Womxyn (or however they spell it) Studies
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:16am
    - David Garrett
      
      CJ: “Some ideas are so absurd that only intellectuals believe them”
      
      Variously attributed to George Orwell and Betrand Russell (I think)
      
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      February 10, 2024 11:26am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Have they considered that following that logic, women who select a vegetarian meal are partaking in an act of submission to men?
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:18am
  - jonno1
    
    She even manages to squeeze in both colonialism and climate change. Most impressive.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:35am
  - Taieri
    
    Any cryptic crossword fans around to decipher this:
    
    Saphronia (Saffy) Carson is a PhD student in the department of Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies. She received her master’s in Sociology and her bachelor’s in Interdisciplinary Studies from the University of Central Florida. She researches reproductive justice from an intersectional Black Feminist lens, examining the material and discursive implications of racism and sexism in anti-abortion legislation and case law. Her masters thesis used feminist critical discourse analysis to examine the misogynoir and post-racial epistemologies in Dobbs v. Jackson. Her dissertation will theorize the dialectic of oppression and activism by interrogating the ways in which reproductive oppression is enacted in post-Roe state legislation, and the ways in which reproductive justice organizers resist that oppression.
    
    https://wgss.emory.edu/graduate/students.html
    
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    February 10, 2024 2:27pm
  - Grumpy Silver Top
    
    What ( not who!) writes this garbage?
    
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    February 10, 2024 2:54pm
- nathie
  
  So human kind’s ancestors the African tribesmen and women were vegetarians?
  
  And the north American Indians didn’t hunt buffalo?
  
  Nor early Maori the moa?
  
  Or was eating meat allowable then (for all concerned) but not nowadays in the West? 😂
  
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  February 10, 2024 10:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is FITH.
  
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  February 10, 2024 11:32am
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    Either that or taking the piss in buckets.
    
    God I hope it’s the latter.
    
    If she sincerely held those beliefs it says many disturbing things about the state of her mind. Not to mention that she is propogating those beliefs to students.
    
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    February 10, 2024 12:30pm
Chuck Bird

The Taxpayers Union has Act up 5.6% to 17 seats. I would say a lot of this is due to Act’s Principles or the Treaty Bill.

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/nztucuria2402poll?utm_campaign=240210_newsletter_callum&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
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February 10, 2024 11:33am
- NothingLeft
  
  Luxon’s popularity has dropped a lot and Seymour’s has risen by a larger amount.
  
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  February 10, 2024 12:29pm
  - Souvlaki
    
    Yes….and this won’t reflect Luxon’s most recent genuflexion to Maori radicals. He has bungled badly, as both Barry Soper & HDPA pointed out on ZB’s political round up of the week on ZB last evening.
    In truth….it was a ‘bare pass’ , B bursary response by Luxon : https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html
    
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    February 10, 2024 12:59pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      HDA is clearly an Act supporter, she has rubbished Luxon at every opportunity, this poll has Nats up 2.6% ffs Nats and ACT on 72 seats, and that does not count any of NZFs 5%
      
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      February 10, 2024 1:20pm
      - Ghost
        
        No. She is doing her job and that is holding the govt to account. Get over this childishness that if she isn’t arse kissing she is an act supporter. She is one of the few people in the media who holds both sides to account
        
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        February 10, 2024 1:33pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Rubbishing Luxon doesn’t make one an ACT supporter. It might just mean she things Luxon isn’t doing a great job.
        
        Hooten has also been a regular critic of Luxon, but I don’t think he’s an ACT supporter.
        
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        February 10, 2024 8:38pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The bill is not known yet, and Seymour has only started putting out info in this bill. This post dates this poll.
  
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  February 10, 2024 1:16pm
  - Cassandra
    
    The content has been well publicised. ACT’s ToW Principles are in every newspaper and website and n the country!
    
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    February 10, 2024 3:01pm
    - Ghost
      
      Not really, no one knows the wording of the bill because it hasn’t been written yet which is what g is saying.
      
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      February 10, 2024 3:17pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Main benefit is this will encourage Seymour and those that support his efforts even though they might not have voted for ACT.
  
  It’s also good news for a CIR which is the only way the Treaty Principles Act is going to make progress. We’ll have to rely upon the support of the electorate since it’s not forthcoming from either Luxon or Peters.
  
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  February 10, 2024 1:54pm
- Elli
  
  In the preferred PM stakes,
  
  Christopher Luxon dropped four points on November to 29%
  
  Chris Hipkins was up one to 19%.
  
  David Seymour increased six points to 10%,
  
  Winston Peters was up one point on 6%.
  
  Chlöe Swarbrick was also on 6%, unchanged from November.
  
  So despite the screeching and all-out effort of the media to sideline Seymour as a racist crackpot, his message is not only getting through, but voters support his style. What a climb! This is completely unlike air-dropping a charismatic leader into an existing Party. This guy is building confidence from a beleaguered position. Is actual real politics returning to NZ at last?
  
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  February 10, 2024 3:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Luxon has caved in? Labour-Lite? Yep.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/luxon-has-caved-in-to-maori-bullying-what-this-means-for-new-zealand/
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February 10, 2024 11:40am
- trout
  
  Methinks you misread the situation. Luxon is adopting a position that frustrates the Media attack squad; they and the tribalists cannot take him out. Meanwhile Seymour is left to spread the word (gaining significant public support, notably not at the expense of National according to Curia). The liberal elite and tribalists will now be hell bent on stopping the TOW Principles Bill being debated in Parliament for fear of the lid being lifted off the TOW rort that has been with us for 40 years.
  Denigrating Luxon is counterproductive.
  
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  February 10, 2024 12:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Come on trout. I misread nothing.
    “Luxon Has Caved In To Maori Bullying. What This Means For New Zealand.”
    That is the title of the post by Julian Batchelor. Feel free to email him and tell him he has misread the situation.
    
    stopcogovernance@gmail.com
    
    Oh, the TOW rort has been going for over 50 years. That is why the Waitangi Tribunal was set up in 1975.
    
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    February 10, 2024 2:35pm
  - kowtow
    
    Me thinks you’re reading far too much into things.
    Luxon and most of the Nats are the “liberal elite and tribalists” who will kill the bill.
    
    I hope the Coalition can survive this.
    
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    February 10, 2024 3:26pm
Christopher Thomson

Unless Luxon produces something better before the next election he has convinced me to give my next vote to the ACT candidate.

ACT have been getting my electorate vote for a few elections now.
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February 10, 2024 12:32pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  What electorte are you in?
  
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  February 10, 2024 1:21pm
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    Waimakariri. I vote for the local candidate to give National the seat.
    
    I voted for change. I voted to reverse what was happening.
    
    I did not vote for Labour in a blue tie.
    
    If my vote for change was a wasted vote then there is no point in continuing to vote National.
    
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    February 10, 2024 11:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is what will happen here. Upper Harbour.
  Cameron Brewer needs to put heavy pressure on Luxon or he will lose his seat.
  Upper Harbour might even end up with another useless Labour MP (fuck!) That Walters woman never did a thing that I could see.
  All of the Act Party need to point out to Luxon he is not doing the job he was elected to do – that really means the Party Vote!
  
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  February 10, 2024 2:41pm
lifesgood

Auckland War Memorial Museum has a public lunch room, or should I say KAI room and on the wall is a large blessing calling on “Tane of Rongo, of Tangaroa, of Maru and Ranginui who is above me and Papatuanuku who lies beneath me” to bless the food. Imagine the outrage if the Christian god was acknowledged in this way. Why do we have to put up with this crap? AWMM is becoming more and more Maorified, lots of good stuff has been chucked to accommodate it.
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February 10, 2024 12:34pm
- kowtow
  
  Labour were all for dropping the tradition/cultural practise of the parliament prayer and had bigly support from the Usual Suspects ( cos secularism) and yet when it comes to nativist , pagan spiritualism a relative new comer the same folk are all for it , in fact it’s almost compulsory as the new state religion …….
  
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  February 10, 2024 1:13pm
  - MCōs
    
    It’s terrible
    Even the local Cambodian butchers sell hangi food
    
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    February 10, 2024 6:06pm
- Paulus
  
  The problem with most things Maori is that they are just done one day, and that is it – why should anybody else be consulted if they can just do it !
  And get away with it .
  
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  February 10, 2024 1:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did you have a nice ‘hangi’ e-hoa?
  
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  February 10, 2024 2:42pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

‘Studies show standard vaccine needles less effective for fat people’

– 1EWES

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1756106660446396737

( Comments disabled 😀 )
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February 10, 2024 1:14pm
- greybeard
  
  Old news, and not requiring “1NewsNZ” to impose any form of censorship:
  
  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-obese-needle/for-obese-vaccine-needle-size-matters-idUSTRE61733Z20100208/?edition-redirect=in
  
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  February 10, 2024 3:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well spotted grey! 1EWES are repeaters from 14 years ago. SHEESH!!
    
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    February 10, 2024 4:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe the fat people are lucky they did not get a reaction.
  
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  February 10, 2024 3:20pm
Hugh Jarse

“it doesn’t matter what we say or do, the morons still like the Coalition” New Zealand media 10/02/24.

Dear media, please keep up your current Coalition Derangement Syndrome (CDS) approach, it’s working a treat, the Coalition will be at 60% in no time. Love Hugh
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February 10, 2024 2:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Was it Katie Bradford who repeated herself, repeated herself, repeated herself, repeated herself?
  
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  February 10, 2024 3:22pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    It was indeed but not the way I have written it here !
    
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    February 10, 2024 3:50pm
Elli

Kiwiblog wordpress login page just asked me to “prove my humanity” by adding 5+7= ? If only the test for humanity was so easy. They should be asking “Have you ever killed a man?” and that reminded me of a film I saw long ago…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngu0RKsv3qE

Warning: clip contains strong language, politics, and dark humour.
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February 10, 2024 3:48pm
Swifty

I don’t follow US closely, but one thing I’ve noticed is the frequency with which Biden is caught outright lying:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7al8A1vvplo

Why does he do to so much and particularly over teeny, tiny issues? I just don’t get it. I’ve seen YouTube vids where people have assembled footage of all his lies over the decades and they run into the hundreds!

What terrible behaviour.
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February 10, 2024 4:24pm
All_on_Red

You’d be a follower of God’s Loophole then Maggie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZF_R_j0OY
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February 10, 2024 4:40pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Typical sanctimonious Americans!
  Even back when I was at school we called it “God’s Poophole” 😛
  
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  February 10, 2024 5:10pm
Ghost

Several doctors have called for US President Joe Biden to undergo cognitive testing, after a string of recent blunders.

It also comes after the US Justice Department released a report on Friday, which was scathing about Biden’s health and his mishandling of classified documents. No criminal charges were filed.

Article

Come on USA, time you look for better, younger candidates
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February 10, 2024 5:18pm
- Jake Dee
  
  I liked the look and sound of Vivek Ramaswarmy, 38 successful tech businessman, sharp as a tack.
  He’s dropped out now but expect to see more of him down the line.
  
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  February 10, 2024 11:12pm
Ghost

Seriously nz herald, this is worthy of breaking news….

South Island has rain. What’s next, world experts are confused as the sun disappears every evening

Thunderstorms are hitting a South Island region this afternoon and much of the North Island is at moderate risk of the same fate due to ongoing unstable weather conditions.

MetService forecaster Gerard Bellam told the Herald that South Canterbury was experiencing thunderstorms as a cold front moves through.

Article
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February 10, 2024 5:44pm
- MCōs
  
  Timaru and the surrounding area of South Canterbury is very dry, about 10% less than Chch & just about the driest region of NZ except down Central. The cow cockies around about spent huge amounts of money on irrigation
  
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  February 10, 2024 6:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    We had rain yesterday, didn’t make the news…. Had it earlier in the week as well, still didn’t make the news.
    
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    February 10, 2024 6:15pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Mm, Ghost.
      
      Me and the better hlaf walked to and from a dinner date lsat night.
      
      Cold, windy … but no probs.
      
      Woke up this a,m. and the pavements are all wet.
      
      Did that dolt who reckons he’ll ‘let you know what things will be like at your place’ on One Ewes tell me that?
      
      No…
      
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      February 11, 2024 6:53am
greybeard

That is sick.
And so are you.
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February 10, 2024 5:49pm
Maggie Pie

Only now am i happy to share with the other girls here in the group.
Cancelled my Les Mills membership over a year ago.
I can really vouch for this ‘home regime’. It can be performed on your bed!
Three or four days a week is all it takes. No weights or machines.
And no more being surrouned by sweaty hoi-polloi.

The results to date have been amazeballs….

https://twitter.com/DailyWorkOut/status/1755956057023861074

Feedback on results welcomed.

[Mod – check your link]
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February 10, 2024 7:27pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  YIP! All good at this end Mod.
  Give it a go and let me know what you think after the first month?
  
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