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Yvette

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has finally unequivocally ruled out supporting ACT’s Treaty Principles Bill past first reading.

■ Does Luxon know what is in this law already?
■ Why can it not be published for the entire nation to see it?

The three principles which David Seymour wants to establish as a point of reference are –
• the Government has the right to govern
• all New Zealanders have rights over what they possess, and
• each New Zealand citizen has one equal vote (OK, two under MMP) to elect the Government.
They are basically the hallmarks of a democracy

It is a vast pity that this has become entangled in the Treaty of Waitangi

A law embodying these three points could have been introduced independently, as something like the New Zealand Democracy Declaration –
three points which everyone could support, or explain why they don’t

What our relatives (now ancestors, many) fought for in World Wars, why we support the AUKUS defence pact now, why the Treaty should define our engagement with UNDRIP, why we are a member of the United Nations anyway, why we could have a Race Relations conciliator who not only stops any ethnic group being picked on to denigrate, but also halts any ethnicity being picked for Aryan exceptionalism or superiority, and on and on

Each of these seeming new isolated nation’s values – which apparently need restating – could have been considered in their own right, as rights, in the utter simplicity that they have
without being bogged down in the shit as we presently appear to be in

Why doesn’t the nation, including Christopher Luxon, wait patiently a little bit for David Seymour to actually write and present his proposed law, before trashing it

Let him present his law, and then it can be trashed
A tall poppy rather than another foreign field of poppies
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February 8, 2024 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  As I said elsewhere, Ardern with a blue tie.
  Captain’s call.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:55am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Luxon will send ministers to Ratana and attend Waitangi himself. Showing respect to Maori and patiently listening to their views. yet he and his party have pre-determined their views on ACTs bill and will not be swayed by representations made at the select committee. This is a disgrace. Basically a continuation of the Labour policy of consulting only with Maori.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:33am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      His consultation has told Māori no separatist services
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:51am
      - septic skeptic
        
        and that the treaty is a partnership. But neither is the point. He has consulted with the maori separatists, and he refuses to consult with New Zealanders in general.
        
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        February 8, 2024 11:52am
      - Grunter
        
        So some separatism is OK then?
        
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        February 8, 2024 11:58am
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        That’s a piss poor apology for National.
        
        If Luxon’s more concerned about still being a “small target” he needs a serious rethink and more importantly his advisors need the boot.
        
        Luxon is the now the Prime Minister of New Zealand and was given, along with his coalition partners, a very strong mandate by the majority of New Zealanders to sort this racial crap out. Turning on ACT, as a coalition partner and voted in by a significant proportion of New Zealanders will be deadly.
        
        The country is crying out for strong leadership which will see National retain the majority in 2026, despite Labour funding the Public Interest Journalism Fund right up until the next election. (Buckle up for the next three years of full-on already-paid-for MSM attacks).
        
        Refrain at your peril PM Luxon. Mark my words, the country is in no mood for your pandering to the Maori Elite and turning on ACT, and your grace period will run out sooner rather than later.
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:37pm
      - Ghost
        
        Significant? Act got 8.64% of the vote. That’s minor. As a side note in 2017 NZ First got 7.2% of the vote. People here were annoyed when a party with such a small vote had major policy. What was. It, the tail wagging the dog. But now it is reversed and it is act people change. Strange that
        
        No one has turned on act. The agreement was to take it to select committee, that is it. That is what Seymour agreed to and signed up for. He also agreed to that parties could agree or disagree with each others policies.
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:46pm
    - jon
      
      Septic, Luxon now down on both knees in submission to Maori. Bugger the views of non Maori.
      
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      February 8, 2024 3:41pm
  - Cassandra
    
    National reveals its true colours. Not so much a broad church as Labour Lite. National still hasn’t adapted to MMP. National VOTERS haven’t adapted to MMP. Perhaps this might shake them out of their apathy. National really should be three parties, a bit like Australian factions. Left, Centre, Right.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:48am
    - Damocles11
      
      Rusted on National voters will continue to vote National out of habit. No thinking required.
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:28am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        As rusted on ACT supporters do, worry about your own opinion
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:52am
      - Damocles11
        
        The ACT party was formed in 1994. Not much time for someone to get ‘rusted on’. For the first 20 years of my life there was no ACT, the only entity on the right was National with all of its multi-decade heritage.
        
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        February 8, 2024 11:46am
      - Paulus
        
        Not all of us may continue to vote National in the circumstances.
        
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        February 8, 2024 1:27pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        G the giant, you amuse me so. I swear that if your Great Hope™ Luxon was to drown puppies on a TV gameshow you’d applaud boisterously.
        
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        February 8, 2024 3:51pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Potaka’s call? “Trash it, or I walk” perhaps….
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:27am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Now you are just making shit up, Potaka has stated why he is blue not red, snd it’s about opportunity for Māori and the people of this country and not bullshit about handing out to Māori, Tania Tapsell also has this view, she is even stronger. Hand outs do not help our people
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:54am
      - Positan
        
        Please don’t field discernible rubbish, G.
        
        On the basis of available aid, assistance, welfare, special programmes etc., as things stand at present, Maori have FAR MORE OPPORTUNITY accorded them than any of New Zealand’s OTHER races.
        
        Despite their “leaders” colourful rhetoric, the problem seems to be that so few of them seem prepared to venture any further than the hand-out stage.
        
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        February 8, 2024 11:42am
      - Damocles11
        
        I can speculate like anyone can. It’s just conjecture, why get so fired up over a bit of conjecture?
        
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        February 8, 2024 11:48am
      - Ghost
        
        It’s like the wild Wild West of the leftie blogs visiting kiwiblog now with people making shit up
        
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        February 8, 2024 12:04pm
- Burtland
  
  is this the first crack in the collation agreement ?
  – now the media will apply the wedge
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:05am
  - septic skeptic
    
    If it isn’t it bloody well should be. Seymour should be telling Luxon that in no uncertain terms.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:37am
    - Ghost
      
      Seymour signed an agreement that nz first and national would only support the bill to select committee. That’s the agreement.
      
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      February 8, 2024 9:41am
      - Grunter
        
        Ghost – you keep repeatedly saying this, which is obviously true, that is what they agreed. BUT, the new piece is Luxon now saying “but we will vote it down no matter what”. He should have said that in the Coalition Agreement.
        
        At best it is ‘tricky-dicky’ word soup.
        
        What it actually is? An obvious stab in the back by a very woke PM that is gutless.
        
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        February 8, 2024 9:52am
      - Damocles11
        
        How is calling your coalition partners bill ‘divisive’ and ‘unhelpful’ a real good show of support? It’s the opposite in fact.
        Potaka said it was ‘premature’ to say that the Coalition government had a basis in white supremacy. I still find this an absolutely extraordinary comment to make, and very troubling. He also made a joke about Seymours maori whakapapa at the Iwi leaders meeting in Kerikeri.
        So is Potaka just a trojan horse within National? Is Luxon pulling his strings, or is he pulling Luxons(?)
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:11am
      - Ghost
        
        He’s allowed to give his view on the policy, it’s nothing new he called it that in the election. Stop being so precious. Do you see Seymour running around cring. No. He knows he has to work if he’s to get it any further. But here you all whinge and have given up.
        
        Potaka is right, you are wrong. It is premature because the government has done nothing to show it is.he also said he didn’t feel it was.
        
        Honest debate also means letting the pm give his view on the policy.
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:30am
      - Grunter
        
        What rubbish!
        
        How can you call it “honest debate” when he says he will vote it down no matter what? That’s how teenage girls debate!
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:52am
      - Ghost
        
        You are not allowing honest debate when you won’t let the prime minster say anything without running around acting like the sky is falling. All you want is for Seymour’s line to be what is said. Even Seymour is saying that a referendum may not be needed. But you won’t listen. You won’t listen to what national mp’s are saying. You won’t listen to what Seymour is saying. Then the act supporters on here act like little children and start throwing around insults at the prime minister.
        
        This isn’t an overnight bill, it isn’t even written, it will be at least next year before it comes up for any decision. Right now the prime minister is rightfully saying what he thinks of what the media are pushing out there, wait for the bill to be written the exact wording to be made public and for god sake act people. Look at you people, do you see Seymour throwing in the towel and acting like this, no, he knows he has a lot of work to do to convince the country that this is needed, and he is doing it. Some of have decided to give up.
        
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        February 8, 2024 11:18am
      - newview
        
        Correct ghost. Seymour will also have meetings all over the country. The public will be invited to comment. If he can show the majority of NZRS want to take this further Luxon either changes his mind or has to deal with the swing in public opinion against him. He will gauge public opinion. A bit dumb to back himself into a corner though.
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:53am
      - Ghost
        
        People just need to trust in the process instead of loosing their shit. This is a delicate process and it will take time.
        
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        February 8, 2024 11:11am
      - septic skeptic
        
        My understanding is that National committed to supporting the bill to select committee, but not committed beyond that. Given that select committee is where they will hear representation from people with a different view to the Maori elites and protesters that they have been engaging with to date there is at least an implied agreement to consider what happens in select committee. To do otherwise is basically an abuse of the democratic process and shows National negotiating in bad faith. My reading is that Seymour expects to get overwhelming public support and thinks Luxon will flip-flop. He might be right. If not, I expect he will reconsider whether they wish to remain in coalition with National.
        
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        February 8, 2024 3:04pm
      - Ghost
        
        My guess is that national will do what is needed to be done without a referendum, that Seymour also knows this which is why he is now saying that it may not happen and that the govt can do it without one.
        
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        February 8, 2024 3:20pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The same Seymour who butchered his party support for suggesting he would sit on the cross benches
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:56am
      - Damocles11
        
        In your opinion. I think he was the subject of a concerted attack prior to the election by ‘the COVID people’ and the religious right. (Mysteriously, a few of our most prominent COVID posters seem to have disappeared). Anyway, this sustained attack worked and shaved at least a couple of percent off the ACT vote, and we’ll pay the price for that.
        
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        February 8, 2024 11:53am
      - Sideoiler
        
        Seymour may yet end up sitting on the cross benches. ACT may well feel that they have been screwed over. If Seymour really wants a referendum he only needs to cut the money off .
        
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        February 8, 2024 12:43pm
      - Ghost
        
        No he won’t. The coluation agreement was to take it select committee. Seymour has got exactly what he agreed to.
        
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        February 8, 2024 12:45pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yup – expect the coaltion of chaos to fold before summer of 2024. Chippie – get ready to be PM again!
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:44am
    - Paulus
      
      It is only the so called media who will do every, and anything, to disrupt the Elected Coalition Government.
      So the easiest way is to infer it’s all lies, but they are the liars as usual.
      
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      February 8, 2024 1:32pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No, it’s signed off in the agreement
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:55am
- Monty
  
  i have voted national in every election up until 2023 when i voted for Act. They will keep my vote into the future while National fail to progress the clarification of the Treaty – NZ cannot move forward as a divided nation – and we must all be equal in democracy – I 100% support Act and what they are trying to achieve.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:23am
  - Ghost
    
    Both luxon and Winston have said all three parties agree on the same thing, they just have different avenues to get there. Seymour is starting to say a referendum may not be needed as well now
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:37am
    - Cassandra
      
      The referendum will be the next General Election.
      
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      February 8, 2024 9:50am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Cassandra – Next general election it will be sweeping win for Labour-Greens- TPM coalition.
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:45am
    - Grunter
      
      No, wrong again Ghost!
      
      Luxon and his merrymen/women have said that the Treaty is a partnership. Which is obvious crap! ACT and NZ First say it is not a partnership.
      
      If it is left as ‘a partnership” imagine what happens when the Leftards get back into power (which will eventually happen). Chloe + TPM would have a field day.
      
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      February 8, 2024 9:56am
      - Ghost
        
        Nope, not wrong, it’s just some of you don’t want to listen to anything but what Seymour is saying.
        
        Asked if he is promising there will be a referendum if the Bill is successful, Seymour said: “No, it’s quite possible that the legislation will pass and the job will be done, Parliament has finally spoken.”
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:39am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That has nothing to do with the coalition agreement
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:57am
  - Lee C
    
    This is the beginning of the end for National.
    
    Seymour has already been very much more successful than Luxon ounce for ounce.
    
    He has grown his party and will continue to do so.
    
    Act will eviscerate National’s vote next election.
    
    You read it here first.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:41am
    - Colville
      
      I think National will continue to step leftward and further squash Labour.
      ACT will continue to soak up disenfranchised Nat voters.
      
      ACT is being given space and time to work the country and drum up support. Seymour backs himself to do it as he did with the End of Life Bill.
      
      National will say “no support” on the referendum right up until ACT forces them to support it then National will say “we had no choice, its the will of the voters”
      
      Its politics.
      
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      February 8, 2024 11:21am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        National won’t backtrack on this. Luxon has been increasingly clear. National will not vote for the second reading. Seymour gets his Bill into Select Committee and gets his public hearings. That is what the coalition agreement gave him. He won’t get more than that.
        I don’t see any circumstance that National will change its position on this issue.
        
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        February 8, 2024 12:11pm
      - Grunter
        
        Thank you Wayne Mapp – you have very concisely summarised National’s position exactly.
        
        There are some KB Nat supporters (Ghost, G etc) who seem to think Luxon will change his mind if Seymour gets enough public support for it. I do not believe he will change his mind no matter what comes out of the Bill.
        
        I hope he does change his mind, but I have no confidence that he will.
        
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        February 8, 2024 2:42pm
      - Ghost
        
        Your choice of who to believe. Wayne who hasn’t been a mp since 2010 so is limited in what he knows. Or Todd McClay who has stated a few weeks ago the national position is to listen to the public feedback before they make a decision. He’s not the only mp to say that. You can also listen to Luxon who today said that it is national policy to not have a referendum, that the agreement was to go to select committee and there is no commitment after that. He also would not place his job on the line that national wouldn’t support it further. You can also listen to Seymour who has said that a referendum may not happen, as after submissions the government just may do what is needed. There is more than one way to deal with this.
        
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        February 8, 2024 3:17pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        A rare uptick from me Wayne, what you say is exactly the position. I heard Luxon say that he has been speaking privately with Iwi leaders and understands why they are concerned about the Bill. (You know, all that stuff about equality for all races and democracy). Luxon also said something about working with them to improve outcomes for Maori.
        Luxon is not listening to ordinary New Zealanders. We can make whatever representations we like to the select committee – National and the Iwi leaders have already consulted and decided.
        
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        February 8, 2024 3:12pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Luxons gonna have a problem when an overwhelming number of submissions support the Bill. What will be his answer then. I dont think this guy believes in real democracy. He is as bad as the Left. A total disappointment. And BTW from what I have learned from mates who were at Air NZ he wasnt much chop as a CEO.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:30am
  - septic skeptic
    
    It seems submissions – while an appropriate way to engage in a debate in my culture – will count for nothing. Shouting, screaming, chanting, waving spears exposing your genitalia – that’s the culturally appropriate way to get this prime minister to respect you and listen to your views.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:45am
  - What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
    
    Interesting that you get away with that comment. People were having their comments removed by the mods for similar observations about Todd’s managerial record….
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:20am
    - grumpy
      
      Ah, the era of Batman………. when Kiwiblog was temporarily taken over by the left.
      
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      February 8, 2024 11:02am
  - Colville
    
    lastman.
    AirNZ Share price quadrupled during his tenure.?
    I would suggest his shareholders loved him.
    
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    February 8, 2024 12:07pm
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Thats was the market not Luxon. A rising tide raises all boats regardless.
      
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      February 8, 2024 1:41pm
- rouppe
  
  I was pretty angered by this.
  
  Emailed the PM (yes I’m sure he’ll never see it) saying that as a Prime Minister and a parliamentarian, he should respect the parliamentary process and not make a decision on it until the detail is known and been discussed in Select Committee.
  
  I told him he’s been scared off by a noisy Maori Party and noisy Media Party, and that Tova and Jessica have made him crumble like a bad scone.
  
  But, as I say, I’m sure he’ll never read it.
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Jessica has gone to ANZ Bank, so watch their share price.
    
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    February 8, 2024 1:34pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I’m hoping that if/when Seymour’s web page asking for support on his principles bill gets enough people signed up that he starts to publish the numbers on the page for all to see.
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:38am
- miltonF
  
  What explanation has Luxon given for why he is against these principles?
  
  the Government has the right to govern
  • all New Zealanders have rights over what they possess, and
  • each New Zealand citizen has one equal vote (OK, two under MMP) to elect the Government.
  
  It’s actually scary that he is against these common sense principles. He really needs to explain himself. He’s turning out to be exactly the man I predicted and tried to warn people about.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:19pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

What a waste of court time. Even if you agree with Mr Smith’s premise, the appropriate place for this sort of decision is parliament, not the courts.

These judges overreach themselves.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/02/m-ori-climate-activist-mike-smith-celebrates-big-win-in-legal-battle-against-some-of-new-zealand-s-biggest-polluters.html
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February 8, 2024 8:03am
- pdm
  
  Bollocks – driven by Greenpeace I think.
  
  The Greens will almost vertainly be `Donkey Deep’ in it too
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:12am
  - Yabster
    
    I would like to know whose paying Smiths legal fees?
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:22am
    - artemisia
      
      A group of lawyers committed to saving the planet, pro bono, I would say.
      
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      February 8, 2024 12:03pm
- Handyman
  
  Bring it on.
  There has never been a proper court case where big green had to defend their climate hysteria. Despite a multitude of lawfare cases they always shy away from testing the actual science in court. They only lodge cases where the court starts from the basis that CO2 is a pollutant which causes extreme weather. In an ominous sign, our Supreme Court seemed to spend more time assessing the penalty than whether the case had merit,
  
  Big green (Smith is a front to shield eg Greenpeace from damages if they lose) will hate it if this trial goes deeper than t-shirt and protest slogans into the realm of reality.
  
  1. The IPCC itself finds there is no observed climate change for storms, droughts, wind etc (let alone that CO2 causes it).
  2. Also they picked the wrong country. The IPCC forecast New Zealand is one of only two counties that will get a net benefit of the predicted climate change.
  3. To be guilty of something that may happen in the future they will need to prove the veracity of the climate models. What fun that will be!
  
  Finally, a well resourced defendant in a lawfare cases disinclined to settle.
  
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  February 8, 2024 12:42pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/climate-change/350170790/will-huge-court-decision-spur-fonterra-genesis-and-z-energy-go-green

So the Supreme Court of NBZ has unanimously sided with an activist….

Why?

What happens if Smith wins? The costs to these companies, coalminer BT Mining, oil importer Channel Infrastructure, farming company Dairy Holdings, dairy giant Fonterra (which burns coal to dry milk), energy company Genesis (which burns coal and gas to create electricity), NZ Steel (which also burns coal) and petrol and diesel retailer Z Energy, will eventually be passed on to their customers.

You and I.
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February 8, 2024 8:03am
- Burtland
  
  Whos legally responsible for the pollution effects ?
  The ETS shifts the cost to the consumer but does it shift the responsibility?
  – is the government who receives the ETS tax?
  – the user who pollutes but pays the tax ?
  – or the business selling the product and collects the tax?
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:16am
- Burtland
  
  Whos paying for Mike Smiths case ?
  
  if he losses, will the companies be awarded costs?
  Could get expensive
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:22am
  - Damocles11
    
    The taxpayer? Surely the Waitangi Tribunal can disburse (taxpayer) funds so that ‘Tangata Whenua can protect their whenua’.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:36am
- Damocles11
  
  Smith his saying these 7 corporates are ‘causing climate change’, and that’s hurting his tikanga and his whenua….or something. And these idiot judges are happy to go along with this ludicrous position as if it actually has some merit. New Zealand is responsible for a fraction of 1% of global emissions….it’s 0.17%, and then these 7 outfits would be responsible for a fraction of the fraction. So because of an activist judge we now have Treaty ‘principles’ enmeshed in our legislation, so that separatist activists and more activist judges can weaponise them to wage war on our economy. Utter madness, but what can be done? Smith used to cause damage with a chainsaw, now he uses the law to attack our food and electricity producers. Smith is indicative of the big problem sitting inside New Zealand like a bleeding ulcer: he and those like him hate our country & he want to damage or even destroy it.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:35am
  - thirteenstars
    
    It’s like an autoimmune disease, a civilisation attacking itself, and there’s no cure. The patient has to die and the disease die with them.
    
    I have little hope when the likes of Luxon and his National caucus have no desire to do much at all about co-governance and the fundamental forces driving it save for a few cosmetic changes, and when they are all in on Net Zero and have deep teal tinge**. They are enabling this madness when they should be using their solid majority to eradicate it or die trying. Instead, the only one with clarity and guts on this issue, Seymour, is being hung out to dry.
    
    They fiddle while NZ burns.
    
    ** under National the Whanganui river was declared a legal person
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/get-involved/features/innovative-bill-protects-whanganui-river-with-legal-personhood/
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:04am
    - Burtland
      
      national or findlayson? – he seemed to have his own agenda
      
      ” Two people, a representative of the Crown and a representative of Whanganui iwi, will be appointed to Te Pou Tupua, which will act on the river’s behalf and protect its interest. A $30 million contestable fund will also be created to advance the river’s health and restoration”
      
      same thing going on with Mt Taranaki
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:39am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Findlayson only had one vote. National passed a law to make a river a legal person, setting a dangerous precedent, enabling further madness, but won’t do more than offer a token nod to fixing the greatest menace to this country’s democracy, co-governance.
        
        There’s only one politician who will gain from this stupidity and it’s David Seymour when the public support a referendum and Luxon (and Peters) has to fold though told all along it was the right thing to do.
        
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        February 8, 2024 11:16am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      “It’s like an autoimmune disease, a civilisation attacking itself, and there’s no cure. The patient has to die and the disease die with them.”
      
      Goddamn – that is certainly a way to look at it. It is our own leaders who fund revolutionaries, provide air time to the hateful, and in the US border and Western Europe actual flood themselves with toxic elements. Islamism will win out in the UK, when acid attacks are denied even by conservative MPs as having any link to illegal migrant/asylum, and they start talking of misogyny instead.
      It is almost like the body can’t recognise pathogens and is instead is focused on weakening and attacking itself.
      And once the 3rd worlders have killed the host, where to the flee to next? And will the descendants of what was once western ‘civilisation’ look around and wonder whether their social justice improvements have ultimately made anyone safer and happier?
      
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      February 8, 2024 4:01pm
  - Damocles11
    
    They thought if they enriched the Maori coffers and apologised for ‘wrongs’, that everything would work out wonderfully. Instead they’ve fed a Taniwha and encouraged its growth. Now previously docile historic enemies of our state – such as the ‘Kingite’ movement – are awakening from their slumber and flexing powerful muscles. All the ‘full and final’ Treaty settlements are littered with ‘poison pills’ that Maori can use to go after more power and money. Leftists will be delighted, while white liberals within National are desperately trying to maintain the fiction that they have some control over the parlous situation they helped create.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:36am
  - hullkiwi
    
    There is also the situation that the 7 companies being sued are but 7 companies of 15 that produce 75% of NZ’s greenhouse gas emissions. If Smith wins, is he going to go after the other 8?
    
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    February 8, 2024 5:22pm
    - Burtland
      
      if the 7 do get done over, the companies should declare themselves legal persons -the judge will then have to allow them a cultural report and hit them with a wet bus ticket
      
      but seriously, this has the potential to impact quite badly on the stock market
      
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      February 8, 2024 8:34pm
  - PurplePen
    
    Ol earth is very old as is its climate history. There are many versions of the graph below available from any number of scientific agencies. The graph shows CO2 over millions of years. It’s worth noting that CO2 is at the lowest it’s ever been … 400 parts per million (ppm) at the moment. At 200ppm plants die. It also shows over a long period there is no correlation between earth climate temperature and CO2.
    
    The other point is calculations from the IPCC show if you double the CO2 rapidly to 800ppm you decrease the thermal radiation to space by 1 degree. It’s based on a scientific principle called Chatelier’s Principle. If you have a system in equilibrium and you add more of one element to the system, the system will counter the addition of the additional element to get back to equilibrium.
    
    And here’s a quote directly out of an IPCC report:
    
    “In climate research and modelling, we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible”. Admittedly from their ARC3 report.
    
    Another point, all the climate models from the ICPP don’t allow for cloud formations as they are just too complex to model.
    
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11640-climate-myths-ice-cores-show-co2-rising-as-temperatures-fell/
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:51pm
- Damocles11
  
  If Genesis don’t burn coal and gas to create electricity, particularly during times of low rainfall, then we would have black outs….instantly our living standards evaporate. It was such an untenable situation that the Ardern government shipped in more than a million tonnes of Indonesian coal to ensure ‘the lights stay on’. Perhaps Smith wants societal chaos, he has spent his life as an activist wrecker after all. Maybe he is a luddite? Who knows. The really distressing thing is that there are judges out there willing to state that he has a case.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:43am
- herb1
  
  Someone needs to look up IWI investments in these entities.
  Certainly some have large investments in the Dairy companies. Would be embarrassing if Smiths IWI show up in any of these companies
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:04am
- Grunter
  
  This is exactly the crazy siht that happens when you mix the dangerous ideologies of “Global Boiling” and “The Treaty is a Partnership”.
  
  Anyone that supports that thinking must by default support this nut-job!
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:00am
Warren

Is a sad indictment on our population when the minority of New Zealander’s can hold New Zealand to ransom over the Treaty of Waitangi and its even worse when our Prime Minister Christopher Luxon helps them achieve this racial outcome.
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February 8, 2024 8:04am
- Yvette
  
  Warren, without any of these people, as far as we know, having actually seen the proposed law – it takes the tall poppy syndrome to new levels
  
  And Christian Luxon, judge least ye be judged –
  judge before thou has even seen?
  (well, that may be a little unfair, but perhaps no more so than, as harped on before: media (inspired by the US Supreme ruling that abortion was not in the US Constitution) asking Luxon a lot of dopey gotcha’ abortion questions, rather than anyone asking What isn’t in the Treaty?)
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:54am
  - Warren
    
    Act Leader David Seymour is not taking “No” for a answer when it comes to support of the Treaty Principles Referendum to refine the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, so it looks like there could be trouble in the camp of the Coalition if he can’t find a way forward.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/act-launches-treaty-principles-referendum-campaign-to-twist-nationals-arm/JUJIBSVQANAVVIOTK3DXPNG62Y/
    
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    February 8, 2024 11:29am
    - Ghost
      
      Actually Seymour admits a referendum may not be needed
      
      Asked if he is promising there will be a referendum if the Bill is successful, Seymour said: “No, it’s quite possible that the legislation will pass and the job will be done, Parliament has finally spoken.”
      
      Article
      
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      February 8, 2024 11:33am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Better IMO to get this endorsed by a referendum.
        
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        February 8, 2024 3:16pm
- thirteenstars
  
  The media won that battle. They kept at Luxon and Seymour like bitchy girls in the playground with a game of he said this and he said that.
  
  Seymour held firm and Luxon cut him loose. Ironically, there’s two silver linings. We see who’s the more solid battler, and it gives Seymour permission to really take this thing out for a spin without worrying about stepping on toes.
  
  The downside is that Luxon has shown he can be easily bullied into submission. The media knows he has a weakness around co-governance due to his ESG-driven corporate mindset and he’s a Net Zero disciple. When the RMA is replaced and speedy consents are firmed up they’ll be at him like flies on a turd.
  
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  February 8, 2024 5:29pm
Clyde

The latest job stats and those on the dole (lets stop calling it jobseekers or jobready or any other Liemore euphamism) are apalling. The fact that these numbers exist is incredible.

I guess the issue is how to sort out those who are genuinely in need of a benefit and those who are simply grafting the system. I never believed Sepuloni’s excuses and now Louise Upston has to sort it.

More power to her.

And more power to Mark Mitchell who is going to sort out the absolute shithole of cultural reports. Just another sideline industry for gangs to cut and paste these nonsensical bits of rubbish to put in the front of compliant judges. And the person to blame for that was Kelvin Davis and the non-lamented Kiri Allen.
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February 8, 2024 8:07am
- JJ56
  
  A good piece on the ‘Labour concealed’ TM actuarial reports on welfare dependency at https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/lindsay-mitchell-labour-hid-developing-welfare-crisis
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:59am
- cmm
  
  “And more power to Mark Mitchell who is going to sort out the absolute shithole of cultural reports.”
  
  Let’s wait for the actual result before we celebrate. Limp Luxon might tell him to water it down.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:21am
  - pdm
    
    Yeah because Goldsmith as Minister of Justice is involved too.
    
    He will do what Luxon tells him.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:00am
    - Paulus
      
      Luxon is the Manager and expects all his Ministers to do what they have been given in terms of Portfolio.
      Unlike Ardern who interfered with everything.
      Different Ballgame now !
      
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      February 8, 2024 1:58pm
Scott

More good news from this government’s first 100 days. Cultural reports have been scrapped. Apparently they have cost millions of dollars and become a cottage industry.
Also the target of reducing the prison population by 30% has also been scrapped.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/02/07/govt-to-axe-funding-for-pre-sentence-cultural-reports/

I’m still impressed by this government’s determination to overturn the toxic legislation of the previous government. There is so much to do and they are getting stuck in. All power to them I say!
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February 8, 2024 8:08am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Stuff’s Verity Johnson (I know, I know) displays her ignorance when she describes Chris Luxon as the bridesmaid in his own government.

What she sees as weakness is actually strength: the PM’s ability to make space for his talented Ministers to do their jobs. His experience as a CEO means he’s well qualified to do this.
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February 8, 2024 8:12am
- Damocles11
  
  Who does this Verity person speak for when she says “we hear”? What an odd column, she’s saying that the government says one thing – and she tells us what it is – and then says ‘we’ hear something totally different. She’s saying that people wilfully hear only what they want to hear. The problem is, Luxon seems to care what the media thinks of him, he wants to please them, wants to win them over, he wants to be a respected and admired CEO in their eyes. Perhaps he sees the likes of Jenna Lynch as great potential executive material, if only he mould them and get them on his team. Luxon seems a little star struck by all the potential executive talent around him, potentially imagining James Shaw and Jenna Lynch thriving as executives under his tutelage.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:24am
  - Paulus
    
    Like all the so called Press Gallery they only survive by telling made up stories – to each other.
    Will they ever grow up to a new ball game ?
    Jenna Lynch – you must be joking – one of the worst story tellers, with actions, when on TV which we no longer watch as she is a disgrace like so many others.
    
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    February 8, 2024 2:00pm
- sirknz
  
  What was today’s clumsy simile from Verity?
  
  I think that the furthest I made it into one of her opinion pieces was the first three sentences without the simile.
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:00am
Yabster

that Ardern – socialist to the core- has created some very long-term beneficiaries – which I think was the agenda all along- they are captured voters…

Article by Lindsay Mitchell on the hidden stats Liemore tried to hide:

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/lindsay-mitchell-labour-hid-developing-welfare-crisis
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February 8, 2024 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  Take heart .
  
  An awful lot of them probably don’t vote , nor do they fill our census forms etc
  
  What could happen is if there was postal voting then “activist” would vote for them ………..
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:50am
hullkiwi

As the Dire Straits’ song went, “Money for nothing, your cheque’s for free”.

And so it is in modern NZ. You too can spend on average 13 years of your life doing nothing at the expense of NZ taxpayers.//sarc//.

This being the startling statistic released yesterday. Is it any wonder NZ is going no where, when the establishment does not show concern that 1000’s of NZ youth are drifting nowhere with their lives’?

Reminds me of another song, Talking Heads’ “Road to Nowhere”.
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February 8, 2024 8:16am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Dire Straits lyric is “Get your money for nothin’, get your chicks for free”
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:43am
  - rouppe
    
    Still works for the example given!
    
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    February 8, 2024 2:01pm
- Jethrod
  
  And always thought it was “…….and the chick’s are free”!
  The things you learn on Kiwiblog
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:44am
- JohnRidd
  
  I am fairly sure that lyric is ” chicks for free”.
  Chicks being a colloquial word for a young woman derived from the Spanish word chiquita.
  
  Cheques for free would be nice though if it wasn’t inflationary.
  
  That’s what UBI and CBDC is about. God help us all if they bring those in.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:03am
  - pdm
    
    JR – I would go with `chicks for me’.
    
    But, I am quite sure mrspdm would not let me.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:16am
- Grunter
  
  “Now look at them yo-yos, that’s the way you do it
  You play the guitar on the MTV
  That ain’t workin’, that’s the way you do it
  Money for nothin’ and your chicks for free”
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:23am
  - Michael Johnston
    
    The song was apparently based on comments made by an appliance store worker observing a rock band on an in-store television, which Mark Knopfler overheard. The implcation was that it’s a much easier life being a rock star than a shop worker. Hence, “we’ve got to move these microwave ovens, we’ve got to move these colour TVs.
    
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    February 8, 2024 1:47pm
- mawm
  
  hunlkiwi – “You too can spend on average 13 years of your life doing nothing at the expense of NZ taxpayers”
  
  No wonder there are so many mid-30’s men who have gained no skills and are still living either with their parents or in student-style, overcrowded and rundown rentals, partying all night and looking doped out every morning.
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:14am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Good comment, and the typo was using a phone on the bus to work. Predictive text & fat fingers. Sorry.
    
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    February 8, 2024 5:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Report on Biden mishandling classified documents.

Biden will not face criminal charges
Now some documents Biden obtained when he was VP, so he could not de-classify them.
Donald Trump is facing federal charges over his mishandling of documents he de-classified, while being POTUS at the time. Slide 4 says Trump had unsecured documents which is a lie. They were in a locked room with an extra lock installed at the FBI’s request.
What is wrong with this picture?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/white-house-braces-for-report-on-biden-mishandling-classified-docs/ss-BB1hVDR9#image=1
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February 8, 2024 8:17am
- Jethrod
  
  His lips are moving
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So are yours.
    
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    February 9, 2024 7:42am
- virtualmark
  
  Biden didn’t lie about the docs, Trump did.
  
  Biden didn’t try to hide the docs, Trump did.
  
  Biden didn’t obstruct the investigation into the docs, Trump did.
  
  Biden didn’t engage in a coverup, Trump did.
  
  Biden cooperated, Trump didn’t.
  
  Biden didn’t brag and wave the documents around as show-off pieces while spilling national security secrets to his country club friends. Trump did.
  
  If Trump had just returned the documents when he was asked to then he wouldn’t be facing any charges.
  
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  February 8, 2024 12:06pm
  - Inandout
    
    virt, you think that would have been the end of ‘get Trump by any means?’ As for Joe well the man is a sad bumbling talking head.
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/joe-biden-appears-forget-name-32067417.amp
    
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    February 8, 2024 1:50pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Hmm. Dunno about all of these but:
    
    Biden didn’t lie about the docs, Trump did. Maybe, maybe not. Biden did say that Trump shouldn’t have any documents at his house and it was outrageous that he did.
    
    Biden didn’t try to hide the docs, Trump did. Yes Biden did. He had classified docs in his garage and in an office at UPenn. Why were they there if he wasn’t trying to hide them?
    
    Biden didn’t obstruct the investigation into the docs, Trump did. Maybe.
    
    Biden didn’t engage in a coverup, Trump did. What coverup are you referring to?
    
    Biden cooperated, Trump didn’t. Wrong. Trump did co-operate.
    
    Biden didn’t brag and wave the documents around as show-off pieces while spilling national security secrets to his country club friends. Trump did. No, Biden didn’t. Mainly because he didn’t remember they were in his garage or at UPenn, and doesn’t have a clue about whats in them!! And he just left the boxes in an unlocked office at UPenn that anyone at all could have gone in and looked at. So no waving docs around. Just come on in folks!
    
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    February 8, 2024 4:27pm
Souvlaki

What to make of National & Luxon’s cowardly ,perfidious breach of faith,an absolutely gutless capitulation to the thugs veto.
It will be to their detriment, and the advantage of ACT and NZ First I’m sure.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/christopher-luxon-finally-rules-out-backing-treaty-principles-bill-past-first-reading.html
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February 8, 2024 8:17am
- Simon
  
  Significant proportion of Maori need baby sitting. They cant make it in a modern world. Given Maori rates of disproportionate social failure cant in practical terms treat everyone equally in law. This is National / Luxon’s position.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:36am
  - cmm
    
    “Significant proportion of Maori need baby sitting.” Well only if they are being continuously, and inter-generationally, baby sat.
    
    Treat people like adults, with adult responsibilities, and they will have to step up.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:24am
    - mawm
      
      Maybe it has something to do with what dope does to the brain. I would introduce drug testing for the dole.
      
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      February 8, 2024 11:16am
      - artemisia
        
        Not sure of current government policy but seem to recall National at one recent point had a plan to require rehab for welfare recipients work ready except for failing drug tests.
        
        Sounds reasonable, but almost certainly cheaper to carry on paying the bene given the costs of rehab, the likelihood of falling off the wagon, and finding an employer who wants them.
        
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        February 8, 2024 11:28am
      - cmm
        
        ” National at one recent point had a plan to require rehab for welfare recipients ”
        
        Who will blink first? Betcha it’s Luxon.
        
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        February 8, 2024 12:43pm
    - mawm
      
      Artemisia – These are adults, they live in a community. I see no reason for taxpayers to support them endlessly. They and their community need to get their act together and get out of the gutter. Government money will never solve their problems, they have to.
      
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      February 8, 2024 12:42pm
  - Paulus
    
    Are Maori Social Failures due to old Pacific genetics perhaps, which go from generation to generations, and they are proud to be failures because it is always somebody else’s fault.
    
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    February 8, 2024 2:06pm
- peterwn
  
  Chris Luxon’s only commitment in coalition talks was to allow the Bill to go to ‘first reading’ stage. That is all David Seymour could squeeze out of him short of allowing coalition talks to collapse which would have resulted in a fresh election. Chris presumably considered Labour was in no position to form a coalition because of issues between the potential partners. Chris has obviously decided he will support the Bill no further no doubt in the light of various discussions he had at Waitangi.
  Chris is shaping up to be a far smarter politician than some people would like to think, and he seems to be smarter than John Key was. I would rather have a leader with the ‘smarts’ than one with ‘balls’.
  See:
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018925102/second-election-would-ve-been-needed-luxon
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:46am
  - pdm
    
    pw.
    
    Things could well change when Luxon finds there are 300/400,000 submissions supporting ACT’s legislation and Referendum sent in to the Select Committee.
    
    Weight of Public Opinion and we can be sure they won’t be chucked in the rubbish bin like Mahuta is said to have done with 90,000 odd submissions she did not like on 3/5/10/All Waters.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:20am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Can we be sure? I read Luxon’s comment as exactly the intent to ignore submissions.
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:51am
      - septic skeptic
        
        In fact I heard in from the man himself today. He has talked in private with Iwi leaders and understands why they are concerned. Hence the clarification today. Not committed to supporting past the select committee is now a definite pledge to vote against whatever bill might come out of the select committee. Luxon couldn’t care less about submissions to the select committee.
        
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        February 8, 2024 3:23pm
  - Grunter
    
    Seymour is a lot smarter than Luxon. Luxon can not win this one over the long term with his “the Treaty is a partnership” position – it is clearly not true. The invisible ink is simply fairy dust. And that position ultimately wrecks the country (that’s not counted as a win BTW)
    
    The truth ALWAYS wins in the long term, but sometimes that is a very long time. I am hoping, but not confident, that Seymours Bill does in fact gain some serious traction from the general public which causes some logical resetting of the Treaty gravy train.
    
    But for a moment, let’s just say the “Treaty is a partnership gravy train” carries on down its current pathway, what happens? We either have a major scrap (civil war in some weird/complicated manner), or the country descends over time to be a race-based socialist hell hole. Rational citizens would quickly move away. In summary, it would be ‘fight or flight’, with no other option.
    
    So, no matter what, Luxon is wrong, and Seymour is right. But there is a fair chance that the country will be wrecked in the process.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:42am
    - Burtland
      
      if Luxon believes “the treaty is a partnership” he should outline his vision and debate it – or is it just another hidden agenda like co-governance that NZ wont accept
      
      what is the nature of this partnership Mr Luxon?
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:55am
      - Cassandra
        
        Absolutely. The question is: What about the rest (85%) of us? Where do we fit in to this “partnership”?
        
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        February 8, 2024 11:53am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Cass, said to say this is the position. Maori elites are treaty partners with the crown. National ministers are the crown and are therefore also partners. The rest of us are subjects. Taxpayers. With very limited political rights. You will own nothing and be happy. Fit in or FO,
        
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        February 8, 2024 3:27pm
  - Burtland
    
    was folding to whanau in the 100day plan?
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:45am
  - septic skeptic
    
    my beef with Luxon is that yes = he will listen at Waitangi. but he won’t listen at the select committee . A leader should engage with all.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:00am
    - kowtow
      
      Proof , if required that here too there is a ‘Deep State” , not genuinely interested in democratic values.
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:55am
  - mawm
    
    Peterson – Or probably Luxon has not negotiated in good faith.
    
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    February 8, 2024 11:18am
- Damocles11
  
  He just seemed to fold up before our eyes. Just gave in to ‘rule by media’. They kept badgering about his stance on the referendum bill, and eventually he just seemed to capitulate to them. Very worrying that a ‘leader’ would allow the media to dictate his course of action. One journalist (it may have been Lynch) yesterday rudely instructed him to ‘properly answer so and so’s question’ when he tried to pivot to her and take her question. So he meekly did as instructed. Why Luxon allows himself to be treated like this is beyond me. Helen Clark gave Campbell the metaphorical ‘both barrels’, Ardern tightly controlled her stand ups (“Jessica, then Tova”), yet Luxon just stands there blinking in the head lights. Maybe Luxon is just a sort of ‘better’ Todd Muller, a corporate manager eventually found to be without the intestinal fortitude for the fight & the long haul.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:58am
  - BeaB
    
    What bs. He allowed them a longer press conference than Ardern ever did no answered all their questions. In fact, the rank out before he did. Interesting how many underestimate this man, the way they did John Key.
    Perhaps they have another agenda.
    I think you have.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:24am
    - Grunter
      
      Nope, some of us just don’t trust Luxon, it’s as simple as that. And his performance yesterday just reinforces that.
      
      Another agenda? Yep, the truthful meaning of what the Treaty actually says! It does not say “partnership”!!
      
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      February 8, 2024 9:46am
    - Damocles11
      
      ‘Giving a longer press conference’ is something that should be celebrated? Why? Do you think I’m a big fan of the mainstream media and think they deserve to be accommodated in that way? Aside from that, you seem to not have comprehended what I wrote: I never said he failed to answer their questions, I just said that one reporter demanded that he ‘properly answer’ another reporters question. And Luxon meekly did as instructed.
      You are a big admirer of Luxon, and that’s really great. Under media pressure he has gone from saying there was ‘no commitment’ to supporting the bill past select committee to now ruling out supporting it past select committee. To me, that’s really weak and disappointing. I don’t want the PM bowing to the media pack like that.
      
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      February 8, 2024 9:53am
      - septic skeptic
        
        My reading is that it was never his intention to listen to submissions and see the final proposal before deciding. The “no commitment” was just weasel words. Just like Ardern’s promised discussion on he puapua.
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:07am
      - Damocles11
        
        You may be right, but what sort of person speaks ‘weasel words’? Surely the answer is: a weasel.
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:39am
      - BeaB
        
        I’m not a ‘big admirer’ of anyone but I do respect people who enter the arena, instead of carping from the sidelines.
        So far Luxon is doing exactly as he promised he would do.
        That’s what we voted for.
        We can’t ask for more than that – in the first months!
        
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        February 8, 2024 12:52pm
      - Ghost
        
        As Luxon stated in the press conference, it has been the national policy during and after the election to oppose a referendum on the Treaty Principles Bill. The coalition agreement only pledged to support the bill to the select committee stage, and there was no commitment beyond that. This was what Seymour agreed to, along with the condition that all three parties could have different views on each other’s policies
        
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        February 8, 2024 12:57pm
  - Taieri
    
    Maybe Luxon is just a sort of ‘better’ Todd Muller, a corporate manager eventually found to be without the intestinal fortitude for the fight & the long haul.
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    Spot on!
    
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    February 8, 2024 11:43am
    - Sacha
      
      – or maybe not. Time will tell.
      
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      February 8, 2024 1:55pm
- RoboRob
  
  On treaty issues Luxon would be better placed in the Labour party. His belief in the principals of the treaty are a perfect fit for Labour.
  
  Just wait until he figures out that if its a partnership then the government needs to share control (you know, like a partnership). What would be another term for shared control?
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:00am
  - mawm
    
    Many of his beliefs belong in the Labour Party. We are getting exactly what he signalled he’d be, we raised the subject and were shouted down by his blindly loyal supporters.
    
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    February 8, 2024 11:21am
- Grunter
  
  No surprises from Luxon and The Nats. They somehow can read the invisible ink that says “the Treaty is a partnership”. There is no evidence of this of course.
  
  This is the same clown that believes in Global Boiling.
  
  I just hope we don’t get another pandemic soon – he would lock us down and mandate more jabs.
  
  Sorry – I’m just being a racist, climate-denying anti-vaxxer……
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:07am
- Yvette
  
  Do Harawira, Morgan, Mahutas, Luxon perhaps, Dame Rangimārie Glavish, the Maori Kiingi and Willie Jackson, et al, see a three headed taniwha where there is actually a dog with two tails – wagging it
  This is not a tyranny of the majority, it is something else?
  
  Or is this just a juxtaposition of silly English syntax and means nothing much at all?
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:16am
- David Garrett
  
  Souvlaki: And once again, misinformation from Newshub that Seymour wasn’t to “redefine treaty principles” – totally untrue, and they know it.
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:27am
  - David Garrett
    
    FUCK! “That Seymour WANTS to redefine treaty principles”
    
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    February 8, 2024 12:09pm
- Elli
  
  What you are seeing there is the tired old media trick of eliminating context and shuffling chronology to change the narrative. Just yesterday a headline read, “Maori implore Luxon…”. No point imploring anyone unless you’ve already lost. The trick is made more effective using soundbites, which they have, but it still can’t conceal the trick. Luxon hasn’t ruled it out. He maintains the line of due process intent. No one needs to panic. The same news story claims he is scared of sending people back to the polls, and breaching a coalition agreement would be the fastest way to do that. Even as a gambler he’d have to accept that ACT would be back, with at least twice their seats. He’s on a hiding to nothing by talking about the Bill, and the media are demonstrable liars. Just concentrate on the reality, not the words. A week in politics is a long time, a year… positively near an eternity.
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:38am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Elli, if that’s the case the media are cutting and pasting recordings of him in order to say something completely different. I have heard Luxon unequivocally rule out support beyond the select committee. See also Wayne Mapp’s comments up thread. I don’t hold Luxon in high regard, but he is not so stupid as to allow himself to be painted into this corner against his will. If Seymour’s bill goes ahead now it will be a major reversal for Luxon – maybe even a resignation matter.
    
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    February 8, 2024 3:35pm
Matt Long

The Guardia in Spain make a roadblock for tractors, which the protest convoy simply drives around. These protests are at the pointy end of the struggle between Addenda 2030 style government controls and personal freedoms.
Do you wonder why there’s nothing about them in the legacy media, just climate change ad nauseam and how terrible racial equality is?
https://x.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1755092539600699422?s=20
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February 8, 2024 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shows how dumb plod can be when they want to be.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    One wonders whether the cops are on the side of the protest convoy and are really just going through the motions so they don’t get fired.
    
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    February 8, 2024 8:35am
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour’s little secret

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/lindsay-mitchell-labour-hid-developing-welfare-crisis
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February 8, 2024 8:18am
- artemisia
  
  Back in the day, the Mother of All Budgets was in part designed to make income from working exceed income from welfare. Sounds like a plan. Though there will still be taxpayer subsidies, often generous.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Luxon will not be supporting the Treaty Principles bill beyond its first reading.
So he is silencing our right to democracy?
Ardern with a blue tie.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/we-will-not-be-supporting-that-pm-finally-rules-out-backing-treaty-principles-bill-past-first-reading/ar-BB1hTYBI
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February 8, 2024 8:20am
- lifesgood
  
  Seems he’s terrified of the Maori.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:26am
- JerJer
  
  Nah. I think this is all going to plan. It’s panning out just as they wanted. Seymour is raising it, so it’s profile is very high, the information is getting to the people, the media and the radicals can’t stand it and are very noisy (free marketing), and Luxon tries to calm them down. The cycle is going to repeat and repeat. It’s being done on purpose.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:31am
  - RoboRob
    
    If thats true its not actually a good thing. We actually need to clarify what is in the treaty and what isn’t. Luxon using it as a political football, as you describe, isn’t any good for the country.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:02am
    - JerJer
      
      He is keeping the football on the field….and doing a very good job of it, and also not deliberately offending anyone by committing for or against. Seymour and Peters are out creating merry hell, which is their job. People complain to Luxon that they are saying bad things. He simply tells the media they are their own people and they have their own style. That’s completely correct. The previous govt used a crazy method of everything needing to be confirmed by the single source of truth and confirmed or denied in the silly way that Ardern used to do it. It is actually quite refreshing to have a leader that agrees that he has delegated responsibilities to people that have their own way of dealing with things, and he has the confidence in their style and execution.
      
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      February 8, 2024 9:52am
      - RoboRob
        
        ‘…. also not deliberately offending anyone by committing for or against’
        
        Luxon has committed to being against the bill.
        
        ‘We will not be supporting that’: PM finally rules out backing Treaty Principles Bill past first reading
        
        https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/we-will-not-be-supporting-that-pm-finally-rules-out-backing-treaty-principles-bill-past-first-reading/ar-BB1hTYBI
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:12am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Jer, Luxon ruled out supporting the ACT bill once it leaves select committee after the public (i.e. ALL races) have had a chance to have their say. He is holding the line for Mahuta, Ardern and Jackson until Labour get back in to complete he puapua. Time for you to wake up.
        
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        February 8, 2024 10:15am
  - Damocles11
    
    Luxon playing ducks and drakes to calm down ‘the media and the radicals’ aye…..if those are the people he thinks he needs to appease then he is going down the wrong road. These people are his implacable enemies and will never be appeased. He’d do better appeasing his voters. This has shades of the ‘Trump is playing 3D chess with them’ trope. Sometimes it’s just not that complex, the person is really just out of their depth or making a major mistake.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:44am
- Scott
  
  Steve Otto – he is not Adern with a blue tie. National has already reversed heaps of Labour’s legislative agenda.
  On this issue the heat needs to die down. It’s being stoked by part Maori activists and the full time activists masquerading as journalists.
  But let’s what and see. Give this government the benefit of the doubt I say.
  Remember they face an hysterical media and a woke electorate. So far they’re doing way better than we could reasonably expect.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:34am
  - RoboRob
    
    You can be good at lots of things, as this government appears to be, and still be shit on race relations. Luxons promise to block the bill proceeding isn’t a good thing. Neither is his belief the treaty is a partnership.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The public is being denied democracy. Luxon is making a captain’s call.
    Ardern with a blue tie.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:09am
  - pdm
    
    Scott – I think it is too late to give Luxon the benefit of the doubt on the Treaty Principle s legislation and referendum.
    
    He has made his position clear – to the detriment of New Zealand and all New Zeaanders.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:28am
  - Jethrod
    
    Wouldn’t it be interesting to see a list of who downticks, like what happens on Bassett, BRASH and Hyde
    
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    February 8, 2024 11:57am
  - Cassandra
    
    It’s being stoked by Luxon and Willis and their BS partnership. It is a relationship and it is NOT a partnership. Repeat after me…………….
    
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    February 8, 2024 11:57am
- peterwn
  
  That Bill was not something Chris promised in the election campaign. As part of coalition discussions he agreed to let it go to first reading but made no commitment beyond that and David Seymour was in no position to push the matter further. Democracy does not require Chris Luxon to allow the Bill to go further. All Democracy requires is for leaders in coalition talks to act in good faith to try and close a coalition deal something which Chris, David and Winston did with great success.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:57am
  - RoboRob
    
    The agreement was to allow it to go to first reading. Thats fine. However Luxon is now promising to block it going any further, that wasn’t part of the agreement, thats Luxon making the call.
    
    What is wrong with having a discussion on the principals of the treaty? What is so bad that Luxon has to block it?
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:31am
    - Burtland
      
      one would have had to be a fly on the wall in the meeting with Tainui and NgaiTahu to know whats actually going on – fully folded in 100days
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:04am
    - Cassandra
      
      Peter: Luxon appears to have a closer relationship with iwi than his coalition partner. He has handled this very poorly.
      
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      February 8, 2024 11:59am
  - Damocles11
    
    Where is the good faith in calling your Coalition partners proposed referendum ‘divisive’ and ‘unhelpful’?
    It’s like me shaking your hand on a deal, then turning around and saying “well, we did it, it’s all agreed…but he’s ‘ugly’ and ‘untrustworthy’ by the way”. It’s not good faith at all.
    Seymour could not expect Luxon to actively promote his bill, but equally he was entitled to believe that ‘good faith’ would mean that Luxon would not actively disparage it the way he did.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:01am
    - Ghost
      
      He’s allowed to give his view on the policy, actually as PM he is expected to. It’s not his parties policy, no one voted national for acts policy. So being so precious.
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:14am
      - Cassandra
        
        Rapihi. ACT is his coalition PARTNER. Luxon is damaging the relationship.
        
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        February 8, 2024 12:00pm
      - Ghost
        
        No, he’s not, even Seymour isn’t saying that. The collation partners are allowed to disagree with each other. Luxon is stating what has been the national position since the election, since the collation agreement. As Seymour as said it is just like the three strikes, Key was against it, but when it came time to vote national had seen the benefit of it.
        
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        February 8, 2024 12:10pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    peterwyn democracy should require luxon and National to give proper consideration to what people say in submissions to select committee. Instead they have listened at Ratana and Waitangi only.
    It’s a disgrace.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:20am
    - Damocles11
      
      He’s listening to Potaka I reckon. ‘The bill goes or I go”.
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:47am
- Damocles11
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nuzTcnI4iRY
  
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  February 8, 2024 2:15pm
Sparrow

Don’t normally read stuff articles just the headlines. However I did today. Luxon the bridesmaid. Hate to admit it the journalist got it spot on once you got through all the flamboyant crap.
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February 8, 2024 8:20am
- BeaB
  
  It was a nasty bitchy article. I think you underestimate Luxon. I also think it is more than likely Winston and David and their staff meet regularly with Luxon and his staff to plan their strategies.
  Those of you who want him to throw his weight around perhaps need to consider the long game and not be bamboozled by the media.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:31am
  - septic skeptic
    
    If you think Luxon plans to backtrack and support the ACT bill you are dreaming.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:22am
- peterwn
  
  The article is complete and utter BS. Chris Luxon knows exactly what he is doing. He knows far more about the political craft than MSM and other journos. Chris would probably laugh his head off if he saw the article.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:54am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Here we have the quintessential Nat supporter. So enamored with Key he barely noticed when he scrapped their policy to abolish separate Maori seats and instead sent Sharples off to the UN to ratify UNDRIP. A decade later and we have Maori seats on many councils and a public service infested with co-governance advocates. He will of course applaud Luxon’s political genius in preventing Seymour from establishing racial equality in our constitutional arrangements. Basking blissfully in the blue light until Labour Green TPM win an election and “the treaty is a partnership” is just the starting point.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:41am
    - Burtland
      
      “until Labour Green TPM win an election”
      
      and it will only take one election – there will be no correction from the left
      – then there will be the exodus
      
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      February 8, 2024 12:01pm
  - Cassandra
    
    Agree re article, not at all sure that Luxon is the political genius you’re making him out to be. He’s established totally where he stands on the ToW partnership and 60% of the electorate disagree with him. And 25 of the remaining 40 “don’t know”.
    
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    February 8, 2024 12:09pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      Yes Cass. Those on this site that think Luxon is playing 3D chess and that it’s all part of a grand right wing masterplan are deluding themselves. Luxon is a capable manger by the looks of it. He is also a woke. wet WEF acolyte.
      
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      February 8, 2024 1:22pm
- Swifty
  
  Do you think Johnson would have penned that piece if ACT were proposing something she personally approved of?
  
  I think not.
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:11am
- Yabster
  
  Sparrow- Verity Johston- enough said- talk about a lightweight- and you agree with her tells us all alot…..
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:30am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A Trump rally, without Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/a-trump-rally-without-trump-conservatives-demand-border-security-in-texas/ss-BB1hRsuJ#image=5
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February 8, 2024 8:24am
lifesgood

How much confidence can you have in the covid enquiry when the leader of the enquiry consistently referred to New Zealand as Aotearoa in his interview with Mike Hosking this morning.
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February 8, 2024 8:27am
- greybeard
  
  I noticed that too, and texted Hosking immediately, saying that Blakely may not be the right man for the job.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:49am
- Allan
  
  Agree 100% just another lefty who will do his best to protect the actions of Bloomfiel and Ardern and her fellow muppets from being held responsible for their actions during the covid era.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:01am
  - pdm
    
    Allan – might need to add a cople more lay people members to the enquiry.
    
    Michael Basset and Rodney Hyde instantly spring to my mind.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:30am
- grumpy
  
  Yes, he seemed to have a mental block when it came to the name of our country…….. clearly a hard left ideologue and in no way suited to look objectively at the actions of his obvious heroes – Labour and Greens!
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:09am
Maggie Pie

Two important Court dates to put in our diaries for this month….

1) 26 FEB.
Eli Rubishtyn, refugee and trans-activist, charged with assault on anti-transgender activist Posie Parker, Albert Park 2023.

https://thepinknews.com/2023/10/26/posie-parker-tomato-juice-protester-to-face-trial-for-new-zealand-incident/

2) 28 FEB.
Golriz Gharahman, Greens Justice spokesperson, charged with stealing nealy $10,000 worth of items in three seperate incidents from two different boutiques in Auckland and Wellington.

More to come….
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February 8, 2024 8:28am
- Im Right
  
  To be honest Maggie, both these cases will end up with diversion, nothing on their records and a wet bus ticket fine plus an agreement to be good and not do it again over a 24mth period.
  One is a trans activist and what happened was a heat of the moment and out of character act.
  The other is an ex MP and what happened was due to stress and out of character …..see where this is going?
  What I WILL guarantee is the left will be going ape shit crying foul when GGs day in court arrives, any reporting of it (even just the facts) will be decried as ‘misogyny’, ‘racist’….this would never have the coverage if she was white blah blah blah.
  Basically it’s all our fault GG shoplifted 3 times (that we know of) and it’s a travesty she is being charged at all!
  Sound about right?….well we will see in the 28th.
  (Oh the trans activist case, I care not a jot about that , it’s just free publicity for ‘the cause’)
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:42am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I fear you could be Right.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:15am
    - RoboRob
      
      I like what you have done there 🙂
      
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      February 8, 2024 11:43am
  - Swifty
    
    I presume Ms [please use correct names. mod.] will receive diversion, but at least that will require her to admit her guilt.
    
    That’s something anyway.
    
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    February 8, 2024 11:02am
    - RoboRob
      
      Not so sure on that. Most poeple who defend themselves and lose never admit guilt. Think of all the murderers in prison who ‘didn’t do it, I was framed’.
      
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      February 8, 2024 11:45am
      - Swifty
        
        It’s a condition of diversion that you admit guilt, otherwise diversion will not and cannot be granted.
        
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        February 8, 2024 2:14pm
- pdm
  
  MP – are the Tennis Club ladies attending both?
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:32am
  - peterwn
    
    They will be attending Court, but not the Court you imagine.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:57am
    - pdm
      
      Very apt pw.
      
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      February 8, 2024 10:07am
I remember when

One-in-nine British children are disabled official figures reveal: Diagnoses of mental health and behavioural conditions have surged since Covid:
Daily Mail Australia.
There are now 1.6 million children classed as disabled, up more than a third since Covid – with a 144% rise in the number of children receiving benefits for behavioural disorders such as ADHD and autism, according to official data.
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February 8, 2024 8:29am
- cmm
  
  It is now fashionable to have a child with a disability.
  People will go shopping for someone to give them the right diagnosis.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:28am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Even Mattel have released a range of Barbie Dolls with Down Syndrome.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:21am
    - Sacha
      
      ” Look, my darling, here’s a dolly just like you!”
      Yuck.
      
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      February 8, 2024 2:20pm
Rusty

Climate activist Mike Smith has had a Supreme court ruling go in his favor to sue the 7 big polluters in NZ.

What a joke!

This is the same man who cared so much about the environment that he vandalized a historic tree on One tree hill.
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February 8, 2024 8:30am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone hear Hosking talk about Seymour’s Principles of the Treaty Bill?

It would help the cause to register at the treaty.nz
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February 8, 2024 8:35am
All_on_Red

Bad news for Nikki Haley fans
In the Nevada Primary, ‘None of the above’ got almost twice as many Votes as she did.
I’d say that its over for her now
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February 8, 2024 8:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  While she is being bankrolled by the Democrats she will continue.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:11am
Damocles11

There is an enormous dearth of courage and common sense on the Right in New Zealand; we keep taking a pummelling from Left through their control of the media, but purported Right wing commentators who get columns published in the print (nowadays also web) media struggle to really eviscerate what should be sitting ducks. The contemptible behaviour of the vile Hipkins is ripe for a savaging, but the only stuff you’ll read are columns from Leftists climbing into David Seymour.
Likewise, the sight of Ngapuhi speakers lambasting the Crown is ripe for ‘a few home truths’. Much of the misery & poverty in Northland could be alleviated within a few short years….but the tribe cannot organise itself to negotiate & settle with the Crown!! Maori are blaming the wrong people for their predicament, their own leaders have ‘sold them down the river’. Why can nobody say it?!
Of course, the so-called ‘Right wing’ commentators in the mainstream media often seem to be nothing of the sort, being either intellectual feather-weights or shadowy political operatives turned opinion piece writers. Most of the best writers and thinkers are doing their work on obscure blog sites, but even then it is a struggle to find anyone who really grasps the nettle and really gets to the nub of the problem of the Left and the Maori separatists.
Regarding the Left, they have launched an aggressive all out attack on our society, and this should be called out loud and clear. We are all far to complacent and accepting of people who seek to make Leftist cant such as ‘social justice’ a part of the actual DNA of the state. We should be utterly rejecting this attack, instead we seem to be meekly submitting to it. What the Left is doing is happening in plain sight and with no regard to who is the elected government at any given time, but they are unchallenged.
As regards Maori, the elephant in the room is that most of the answers to their problems lie with themselves. They could finalise Treaty settlements & distribute the proceeds and profits of Iwi businesses properly amongst themselves to benefit all, but instead they seem to want to wallow in a grievance mentality & actually undermine the nation wherever and whenever possible. As far as I am concerned, they hate New Zealand and are actively brainwashed by hate-filled ‘academics’ to regard New Zealand as a ‘colonial’ hell hole that hates them and is ‘racist’ towards them in umpteen different ways. Why does the country allow a group of vulnerable young people to be inculcated into a mentality of hate in this way? This lamentable situation is comparable to the indoctrination one might find at a Hamas training camp. Maori are prisoners of this detestable state sanctioned brainwashing, taught to hate ‘the Crown’ and hate ‘New Zealand’, and as such they become puppets and pawns of the Left and of the machiavellian Iwi leaders.
Without strong leadership that possesses moral clarity and the universal voice of common sense and sound authority, we are going to be wrecked in due course. I hope strong political leadership and strong intellectual leadership emerges on the Right before it is too late.
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February 8, 2024 8:46am
- Taieri
  
  I hope strong political leadership and strong intellectual leadership emerges on the Right before it is too late.
  ——–
  
  Your optimism is not justified. The pendulum has not reached its extreme position yet. And when it eventually does, the changes will be too embedded to be undone.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:15am
- Chuck Bird
  
  You are talking about a minority of racist Jew hating Maori. This government has 35% Maori in the Cabinet without Maori seats.
  
  I wonder how many of those protesters have jobs or are on a benefit?
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:42am
  - peterwn
    
    Waitangi Day celebrations were a great success despite how MSM and the Guardian (UK) try and paint it.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:02am
- Grunter
  
  Well stated Damocles11
  
  IMO – The division between ‘Left’ and ‘Right’ is now massive on so many fronts. Not just in NZ but throughout the ‘Western’ world. The emergence of the woke activists has created this gap. Most of the population still have the same values and beliefs that were prevalent 15-30 years ago – but we are now called ‘Right-wing’ or ‘Hard Right’. We haven’t changed, but the Left has gone full-on clown-world, creating this massive gap in ideologies.
  
  The last time something this fundamental happened was when Lenin got hold of Marxism and created hell around the world for about 70 years.
  
  This clash of ideologies is now creating a new round of chaos, and it has only started unfortunately.
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:16am
  - miltonF
    
    “It takes 30yrs for a liberal to become a conservative, without changing any of their values”
    
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    February 8, 2024 8:52pm
- cmm
  
  The Right?
  There’s nothing right of centre left.
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:20am
Maggie Pie

My partner just said that guy Mike Smith, the one who is suing some big companies for polluting and causing climate change, is the same prick that cut down the lone Pine on One Tree Hill.

SHEESH!!
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February 8, 2024 8:47am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Yes.
  
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  February 8, 2024 8:49am
- Allan
  
  My question is who is paying for Smith’s legal fees in this case.?
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    We will be.
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:12am
  - grumpy
    
    I noticed Hosking refused to go there. Why? Follow the money should be the first instinct of a real investigator.
    No doubt someone with a bit more fortitude will do the job. Maybe Investigate Magazine?
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:12am
- Handyman
  
  The companies will only need to quantify the link between CO2 and climate so calculate their impact on temperature to show how immaterial this case is.
  
  If I throw a pebble into the ocean, will I be charged with causing sea level rise and flooding in Bangladesh?
  
  Here is another of my predictions: The case won’t be about actual harm; it will be about the “principles” of climate change.
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:56am
  - Damocles11
    
    And we’ll need an activist judge to define what those ‘principles’ are. I wish this were satire but it seems to be reality.
    
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    February 8, 2024 11:06am
- peterwn
  
  Think of the CO2 that is not being absorbed because the tree is gone.
  
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  February 8, 2024 3:07pm
I remember when

Frederic Chaudiere, a third generation winemaker in the French village of Mormoiron, took a sip of white wine and set down his glass.
“You can taste the climate change.”

Oh how I miss the ‘good old days’, when wine had biscuity, plum and herbal traces.
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February 8, 2024 9:05am
- kowtow
  
  Coming from a village with a nom com ca I wonder if he’s l’idiot.
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:06am
- miltonF
  
  “You can taste the climate change”
  
  Ironically you actually can. It tastes “sweet” like sugar. Because that’s what it is. It is scientifically proven that an increase in CO2 increases the carbohydrate levels in crops.
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:01pm
Maggie Pie

And looks like the Coalition Government can expect a tuff time in The House when Chloe becomes the new Greens co-leader…..

https://tiktok.com/@jakeswins5/video/7330226872640474386

(full screen/full vol 😀 )
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February 8, 2024 9:12am
PurplePen

After reading the news about the govt ditching cultural reports and jail sentence discounts I wondered what we could garner from other judicial systems and sent this letter off this morning… too much coffee before 9am
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Hon Paul Goldsmith
Minister Justice

The Law Association paper below asks which is better, adversarial or inquisitorial courts. There are benefits and costs in both and to change completely to inquisitorial would be a difficult undertaking. Why not establish a review to look at what benefits we could incorporate from the inquisitorial. To quote from the paper below:

“Finkelstein’s arguments are focused on civil cases. He recommends several reforms. He calls for judges to have a more active role, including the power to call a witness where the interests of justice so require, the ability to question witnesses beyond their present restricted role and primary control over the questioning of witnesses. He also calls for judges to have the power, in appropriate cases, to appoint an independent examiner to question witnesses prior to trial.”.

https://thelawassociation.nz/which-is-better-adversarial-or-inquisitorial/
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February 8, 2024 9:40am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s a terrible idea I think, in reality at least.
  We have too many activist judges who would use it to force jury cases in the direction they want. It would also potentially have weird consequences re appeals I think.
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:20am
  - PurplePen
    
    I only mean to look at taking the parts that work well. Sent it to Tamatha Paul just got fun too.
    
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    February 8, 2024 10:40am
- peterwn
  
  If I was really innocent of the crime (eg not being there) I would rather have a judge and two skilled assessors rather than a jury.The prosecution might be able to BS a jury (and I know a case where that happened ) but have trouble fielding a few pointed questions from the judge or assessor.
  
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  February 8, 2024 3:13pm
slightlyrighty

We need to challenge the concept of DEI.

Diversity, Equity and Inclusion sounds great in theory but is an abject failure in practice.

And the world already has a number of living, breathing case studies in what happens when DEI takes over a country.

South Africa has become a complete Basket Case, unable to care for it’s infrastructure, unable to keep the lights on.

Since 1995, the country has continued to force appointments on the basis of ethnic quota, to its detriment.

Equity has killed efficiency, and now they can’t keep the lights on, and if you think NZ is immune to this, look at the water problems in Wellington since the STV system was introduced in the name of equity.

Diversity to me means having the best person in the role, regardless of their ethnicity.

A DEI activist wants the best ethnicity in a role, regardless of their ability.
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February 8, 2024 9:44am
- Burtland
  
  the media is thick with DEI propaganda …
  
  If you look at TV ads you would think whitey was a minority.
  All the shitty British TV shows – cooking, pets, sewing, pottery, woodworking, repairs, quizz – all have a DEI agenda. TVNZ always hunt out the DEI commentator.
  Radio – BBC, RNZ – more DEI agenda
  
  “youre soaking in it marge”
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:27am
- PurplePen
  
  I remember reading a study years ago, New Scientist I think, about the impact of STV voting on quality of successful candidates. The finding was that it elects more mediocre candidates.
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:28am
  - Sacha
    
    Most of us are mediocre, but don’t see ourselves clearly.
    The surprise is when we see what we have done – elected people just like us!
    
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    February 8, 2024 2:36pm
- Grunter
  
  “Diversity, Equity and Inclusion sounds great in theory….”
  
  Nah – Even the theory sounds horrible……
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:28am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Division
  Exclusion
  Intolerance
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:43am
- Steve Todd
  
  @slightlyrighty @ 9:44AM
  
  […], and if you think NZ is immune to this, look at the water problems in Wellington since the STV system was introduced in the name of equity.[…].
  
  This comment, along with NK’s comment on Sunday (see https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/02/another_call_for_a_commissioner_for_wellington.html#comment-3509589) are, in my opinion, the two most ignorant comments posted on Kiwiblog this year.
  
  Again, you simply will not be told, will you? You know full well Wellington’s water problems well and truly predate STV, but still you blame the STV system. If we still had FPP in Wellington, it is highly likely that, of our 15 councillors, 11 or 12 would be Labour/Green, rather than the current eight or nine. The last General Election showed that would have been a distinct possibility.
  
  Unlike multiple-FPP, STV is a system of both proportional and personal representation, that gives voters precisely what they vote for (within the constraints of district magnitude, i.e., the number of representatives being elected together).
  
  If a majority of voters want Group A and Group B candidates, together, to be in the majority, that is what the system will generally give them, in proportion to their support. What could be more democratic than that?
  
  Why does Dunedin, Porirua, Palmerston North, New Plymouth, and Hamilton not have a quarter of their councillors being Greens, or half their councillors being Labour and Greens? Because that is not what the voters voted for.
  
  Why are Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland (local government) and Australia not basket cases? They have STV.
  
  You say South Africa [which has had Party List PR since 1995] is a basket case. But most countries in Europe, under pretty much the same system since the early Twentieth Century, are not. Why is that?
  
  As I have said repeatedly here, for several years now, we can only vote for those candidates who put themselves forward, regardless of the electoral system in use. If the candidates are low quality, the elected councillors will be low quality. Auckland and Christchurch (under FPP) are hardly shining lights of local government administration success, are they?
  
  As I have also repeatedly said, in Wellington the Right know what it must do — and it had better start getting organised soon, or the Left will waltz in again next year, and rightly so.
  
  Tory Whanau did not win because of DEI. She won because she ran by far the best campaign, against two uninspiring opponents who Wellingtonians were bored by. You know that as well as I do, yet you suggest her success was due to some esoteric factor that is wholly unproven, and which, basically, is nothing more than your opinion.
  
  If, next year, voters consider her to have been a failure, she will be given the boot, and perhaps Ray Chung will be given a chance. Fortunately, with STV, such a change is more likely than under FPP, which favours incumbents (because the winner must get 50% of the votes to win, not just cruise back in on a plurality of 35%–40%).
  
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  February 8, 2024 6:33pm
- Ghost
  
  Yes look at wellington, its decades of neglect to the infrastructure, but you won’t accept that as it doesn’t fit your agenda.
  
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  February 8, 2024 7:23pm
I remember when

CNN’s New Morning Strategy: More News, Less Banter: NY Times.
Its morning lineup will focus on straight coverage.
Ratings for “CNN This Morning” have lagged far behind its competitors, according to data from Neilsen.
The show has drawn roughly 322,000 viewers on average this year, well behind “Fox and Friends” (1.07 million) and “Morning Joe” (988,000).

‘More News, Less Banter’, what a revolutionary idea.
Wonder where else that might work miracles.
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February 8, 2024 9:48am
- Grunter
  
  Check this guy out….
  https://www.youtube.com/@TylerOliveira
  
  5.6 million YT subscribers!! An investigative YouTuber who gets into some very whacky situations.
  
  His piece on the invasion of illegal immigrants into NYC is a must IMO
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:36am
Swifty

The Beatles visited the US, for the first time, 60 years ago this week:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13056831/Fab-Four-nervously-flew-America-time-sparked-Beatlemania.html
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February 8, 2024 10:07am
Maggie Pie

I see where Business Leaders have estimated the 4 day Waitangi Celebrations, have cost the country in excess of $100 million by way of lost opportunity and production.

And achieved what exactly?
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February 8, 2024 10:15am
- Gravelroad
  
  It achieved an outlet and opportunity for some sections of our society to :
  Repeat their grievances and “demands” whilst waving sticks.
  Sing and dance
  Go for a walk or horse ride down the motorway
  Paddle a canoe
  Shout over and insult some of the invited guest speakers
  Dress up, or down
  Show off their private parts
  Enjoy a lot of sausages and steak cooked on gas fired BBQ’s
  Listen politely to the previous Prime Minister telling them to “be kind.”
  Reinforce their positions of privilege under the unquestioning protection of the msm.
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:29am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Show off their private parts’
    
    We wouldn’t know that going by the msm reports of the wunnerful day.
    
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    February 8, 2024 11:10am
  - David Garrett
    
    Gravel: Enjoy a lot of sausages and steak cooked on gas fired BBQ’s
    
    Yes….funny the MSM made no mention of the utter irony of Jacinda “Captains Call” Ardern wrecking the NZ oil and gas industry overnight, and then gaily (in the old sense of the word) cooking the snarlers at Waitangi on a gas fired barbecue…I suppose in due course we can always import gas bottles from Orstraya…unless they become illegal of course, which is entirely possible when that mad lot eventually gets back in.
    
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    February 8, 2024 2:27pm
- Damocles11
  
  Well John Campbell had a great time at Waitangi so, you know, swings & roundabouts….
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:53am
  - Albie
    
    I’m sure he had a “marvellous” time- dick weed!
    
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    February 8, 2024 5:22pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoErFNoNquk
Fani Willis Caught Lying Under Oath.
Fani isn’t enjoying this probe. The cat is out of the bag. It doesn’t look good for FW
and her boy toy.
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February 8, 2024 10:28am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcNSs-ZBr_I
ACT’s Nicole McKee: Media Misreporting Mood at Waitangi.
Not the Sux O’Clock ‘news’ version of what happened. Nicole did very well.
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February 8, 2024 10:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So clearly all our “culturally safe” MSM journos didn’t have a clue as to what was happening.
  
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  February 8, 2024 12:55pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    That’s preposterous!
    
    Are you saying that aotearoa’s MSM journalists often don’t truly understand any of the main issues they’re reporting on and are happy to parrot whatever narrative certain favoured operators are trying to formulate for the nation…?
    
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    February 8, 2024 1:41pm
    - sungsamning
      
      Yes, they’re parroting the woke narrative.
      
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      February 8, 2024 4:22pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Well, its no surprise. They’re clueless on everything else too.
    
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    February 8, 2024 4:21pm
- I remember when
  
  It is worse than misreporting.
  As Nicole has told The Platform – it was an historical moment for Maori women.
  Most upsetting, is that possibly none of the media, a major source of news and information, even realised what they had missed.
  
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  February 8, 2024 1:24pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, the ‘fourth estate’ is a fifth column.
    
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    February 8, 2024 4:22pm
  - miltonF
    
    They know. They didn’t miss it. They are in the job of narrative and perception control. When you understand this, it makes sense not to report on this historic moment.
    
    You see, the narrative being pushed is the “Noble savage”. That Māori morals are better than the evil white man’s and we need to emulate them. When this is the perception you are trying to craft, it is a REALLY REALLY bad idea to awaken the population to the fact that Māori culture is traditionally very sexist and Wahine have little rights. The reverse is also bad for their agenda – painting Māori adopting a western value as being “good/historic”. That might make western values look good. It is a very carefully orchestrated game the MSM are playing. It’s actually quite Orwellian. “Wahine have always been able to speak at the Marae” is equivilent to “We’ve always been at war with east Asia”
    
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    February 8, 2024 9:21pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Interesting thing about McKee’s conversation with Plunket was her mentioning of being criticised by other Maori for her dialect because she grew up in the city and not on the marae, which meant she then shied away from learning Maori.
  
  Shows the inter-tribal conflict that was and still is at the heart of Maori culture. You think they hate Whitey, well, just wait until they get a good crack at each other.
  
  Maori king, my ass.
  
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  February 8, 2024 7:28pm
M.Solvent

A scorpion wants to cross a river but cannot swim, so it asks a frog to carry it across. The frog hesitates, afraid that the scorpion might sting it, but the scorpion promises not to, pointing out that it would drown if it killed the frog in the middle of the river. The frog considers this argument sensible and agrees to transport the scorpion. Midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog anyway, dooming them both. The dying frog asks the scorpion why it stung despite knowing the consequence, to which the scorpion replies: “I am sorry, but I couldn’t resist the urge. It’s my character.”
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February 8, 2024 10:35am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350172248/peters-announces-165-million-towards-climate-change-initiatives-cook-islands
No doubt he will pay them in cash. In a winebox.
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February 8, 2024 10:56am
- Grunter
  
  Ha! His “fight afgainst the woke” didn’t even last the first 100 days.
  
  Never trust this guy, ….. never!
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s all good…
  
  These are projects that would have been funded anyway by NZ…as they might provide a bit of resilience when tropical cyclones hit …
  
  “This funding will go to projects, agreed with the Cook Islands, on issues such as renewable energy, cycle shelter upgrades, battery replacements and water security.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350172248/peters-announces-165-million-towards-climate-change-initiatives-cook-islands
  
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  February 8, 2024 12:54pm
  - sungsamning
    
    I hope its enough for them to resist the CCPs siren calls. Money well spent if it does.
    
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    February 8, 2024 4:24pm
Damocles11

Picked up the free copy of the Herald at the cafe and wished I hadn’t. The cartoon from far left kook Rod Emmerson was another disgusting and gutless attack, again on Seymour….now depicted as a tiny shin-high figure amidst a crowd of passing legs, squeaking “now that I have your undivided attention, who’s for a referendum on the Treaty?” Emmerson’s burning hate is never concealed these days, day in & day out it is the same pathetically one-sided attack. He manages to inject some disinformation into his ‘work’ as well. As much as Emmerson loathes the Coalition, I loathe Emmerson.
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February 8, 2024 11:04am
- thirteenstars
  
  As much as I think Seymour is fighting the good fight, he needs to open a can of whoop-ass by enabling the forces of citizen’s initiated referenda, which he’s perfectly entitled to do given Luxon’s submission to the media.
  
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  February 8, 2024 7:38pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

The Daily Male reporting Harry has already left the UK and heading back home to Meghan after a brief 45 minute meeting with his father.

https://twitter.com/wallshitstreet/status/1754821649369637022
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February 8, 2024 11:06am
- Ghost
  
  Imagine that meeting
  
  “Dad, can I please stay a bit longer please, you don’t know what Megan is like, please don’t make me go back home. Dad I’m begging you, please. She won’t even give me pocket money unless I say pretend she is the queen”
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:20am
  - BeaB
    
    Ha. He’s offside with his dad, holder of the purse strings, and seriously offended his brother, also sitting on a pot of gold and destined to hold all the power.
    And he and his wife aging every day and becoming less relevant and interesting.
    What a fool. Earl of Dumbarton indeed.
    
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    February 8, 2024 12:58pm
- Grunter
  
  I wonder if he visited The King as well….?
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:42am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  What exactly was he supposed to do? He’s not a doctor or a cancer support counsellor.
  
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  February 8, 2024 12:21pm
- lifesgood
  
  Wow…45 minutes…how generous of him. I guess she was tugging on the leash.
  
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  February 8, 2024 12:25pm
- cmm
  
  Suggesting you get the Daily Male invites many ribald jokes.
  
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  February 8, 2024 12:38pm
Gosman

Ah well it was fun while it lasted. I decided to set some lefties straight on a post on The Standard that Greg Presland AKA Mickysavage wrote about the insidious motivations behind the proposed Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill. (see: https://thestandard.org.nz/toitu-te-tiriti/). Eventually I got under their skin so much they banned me on spurious grounds for not addressing something I was not even aware of.

I must state though there is a real obsession with the conspiracy that the Atlas Network is behind all of this. Even relatively centre left commentators like Mr Presland are deeply troubled by this possibility despite having not a shred of hard evidence that any funding or even undue influence by Atlas is taking place in NZ.
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February 8, 2024 11:13am
- Damocles11
  
  This is an organised smear campaign, no doubt coming from some Leftist entity like the CTU. Just another avenue of attack, try to demonise by just repeating ‘the Atlas Network’ over and over. Typical Leftist tactics, take some term or name and attempt to turn into a byword for evil through sheer repetition. A case in point: ‘neoliberal’ does not mean a satanic cult of blood drinkers, it just means less regulation / less state ownership of business / less state intervention in a market economy.
  
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  February 8, 2024 12:03pm
Maggie Pie

Brawl breaks out between gang members in Wellington Court Room 🙁

Judge tells security…..”F**king arrest them all!”

https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1755358800482320570
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February 8, 2024 11:41am
- Damocles11
  
  It wasn’t the judge –
  
  ‘Once the brawl broke out, a judge was forced to leave the courtroom and a defence lawyer told court security “f**cking arrest them all”.’
  
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  February 8, 2024 12:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Ahh, yes you’re right there Damo. Must admit I had only scanned the story before rushing to hide when someone activated the door intercom.
    
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    February 8, 2024 12:36pm
- cmm
  
  Damn, I wish it was the judge. We need them to grow some spine.
  
  Likely the judge would be handing out lollypops.
  
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  February 8, 2024 12:39pm
Swifty

We’re all stinking dirty racists!!!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4GDNocGeqfU

(Note that this guy presents logical flaws and fallacies so wide you could drive a truck through them – but I guess he feels better now that he’s signalled his virtuousness and purity widely and for all to see.)
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February 8, 2024 11:50am
cmm

What the hell is going on with NZ police?

Parents getting kids to drive cars and there are zero consequences when they are caught.

Don’t get me wrong, I am all in favour of kids learning to drive at an early age. My kids were driving around on the paddocks when they were this age. It cost me a gate and a hundred metres of electric fence tape. But not on the open roads.

Why even bother getting a driver’s license in NZ? Is this more natural driving ability of superior races?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-catch-9-year-old-driving-adults-baby-in-back-seat/5RDQGLH2U5BNHB65C4REICNXTM/
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February 8, 2024 11:51am
- Maggie Pie
  
  ‘An infringement notice was issued to the father for the state of the vehicle’
  
  IMAGINE IT!! 😀 😀 😀
  
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  February 8, 2024 11:58am
  - cmm
    
    So no WOF, bald tyres, etc etc, but we’ll give you a pass on the 9 year old behind the wheel.
    
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    February 8, 2024 12:41pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Not to mention the empty drink bottles, KFC boxes, half-eaten McD’s, chippie bags and lolly wrappers, all strewn around the footwells 😀
      
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      February 8, 2024 12:54pm
      - cmm
        
        The rats need habitat too!
        
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        February 8, 2024 1:17pm
  - Ghost
    
    9 year old was referred to child youth. I do like the case in the states of the school shooter where the mother has been convicted for allowing him to have a gun and ignoring his mental health issues
    
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    February 8, 2024 12:44pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      That’s a curious decision.
      
      There are so many people pretending to have what they term ‘mental health issues’ (they never say they are mentally ill, notice, that’s a wee bit ick and has a stigma about it).
      This makes it difficult to spot the people who are actually ill.
      A lawyer must have raised this in her defense
      
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      February 8, 2024 4:24pm
      - Ghost
        
        It appears that the parents knew he was depressed, brought him a gun. The school after finding drawings of a shooting on an assignment requested the parents come get him and take him to get help, they refused, he carried out the shooting a few hours latter
        
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        February 8, 2024 4:42pm
Jack5

A newbie asks how to stop his Google Chrome browser always opening at Stuff.

For any other newbies, here’s how (apologies to everyone for whom this is old hat):

1. Open Chrome.

2. Click on the three dots at the top right corner.

3. Go right down to “settings”.

4. About half-way down click “on startup”.

Here you have three choices. Choose one with a click.

The third (“open a specific page .. “) allows you to set a permanent opening page, e.g. http://www.Kiwiblog.co.nz
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February 8, 2024 12:20pm
Damocles11

Biased Leftist interviewing biased biased Leftist on Q+A a few days ago. Natalie Coates – former wife of Kiri Allan – interviewed by Jack Tame. ‘Treaty principles already a compromise’ apparently. Natalie Coates is also one of the lawyers acting for activist Mike Smith as he seeks utu against NZ companies for being successful….I mean, ‘causing climate change’.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=uKkria9Leo8&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.nz%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo
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February 8, 2024 1:00pm
- Burtland
  
  For someone with a Masters in Law from Stanford University shes either not the sharpest tool in the box or being disingenuous – she misrepresents Seymour’s principles proposal
  
  Coates got funded to do postgraduate law studies on an elite Ethel Benjamin Scholarship of the Law Foundation.
  
  Heres another 50 of them – almost all are DEI social warriors doing elite postgraduate law studies at prestigious offshore universities – the irony of it all
  
  https://www.lawfoundation.org.nz/?page_id=53
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:28pm
Damocles11

The sneaky Leftist trojan horse that is the PIJF is rolling on, and will run into 2025. That’s 5 years of funding for race focussed media roles & narrative control. Roles being funded in the current round, announced in April 2023, include –

Kaupapa Māori Editor, NZME, up to $123,600.
NZME is receiving a 12-month funding extension for its Kaupapa Māori Editor. The role not only produces news stories from a te ao Māori lens but provides leadership and Kaupapa training across NZME’s newsrooms.

One Te ao Māori Editor and one Sub-Editor, Metro, up to $51,066.
A further 12 months funding for Metro’s te ao Māori Editor to continue developing Māori writers and providing a te ao Māori perspective across news stories, and a Sub-Editor to ensure a high standard of accuracy and fact-checking for Metro’s content.

Māori Affairs Reporter, Newshub, up to $145,810.
A one-year extension for Newshub’s Māori Affairs Reporter who ensures that te tirohanga Māori (a Māori lens) is placed on coverage of significant mainstream stories while providing direction and input on decisions made in the wider newsroom.

Māori Political Reporter, The Spinoff, up to $61, 050.
A 12-month extension for The Spinoff’s Māori Political Reporter who provides coverage on Māori politics and current affairs for the platform’s audiences. This role is part-time.

Kaupapa Māori Reporter, Gisborne Herald, up to $77,464.
A further year of funding to retain the Kaupapa Māori Reporter. The role has revitalised and normalised te ao Māori reporting in a region with a large Māori population and is helping the Gisborne Herald to build its cultural capabilities.

https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/news/focus-on-ongoing-success-of-existing-roles-for-final-pijf-funding-round/
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February 8, 2024 1:18pm
- Burtland
  
  “a Sub-Editor to ensure a high standard of accuracy and fact-checking for Metro’s content” 😂🤣😮
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:35pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else find it a bit strange that ‘Comprehensive Cultural-Reports’, for which Labor was paying $5k to have produced, are now being offered on FB for 5 hundy cash.

Hmmm…
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February 8, 2024 1:32pm
- kowtow
  
  Speaking of which
  
  ‘Ryan said a cultural report prepared for his client by sociologist and author Jarrod Gilbert made “compelling reading” and described exposure to drug dealing from an early age, methamphetamine addiction and mental health issues.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/dad-fell-death-during-bungled-robbery
  
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  February 8, 2024 2:00pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Those poor boys missed the BIG SALE.
    Prior to Labor getting the arse card, it would have been 60% discount
    and qualify for a bracelet.
    
    Sooo loving this coalesence government. Winston – HE DA MAN!
    
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    February 8, 2024 3:18pm
- cmm
  
  Since they are pretty much just Ctrl-C Ctrl-V I’d say $50 is more than fair.
  
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  February 8, 2024 2:29pm
- artemisia
  
  The new Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith says there is no evidence cultural reports reduce reoffending.
  
  Carmel Sepuloni said the government’s decision was not based on evidence.
  
  Time for an evidence showdown. Then we-the-people can judge.
  
  Waiting…
  
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  February 8, 2024 2:51pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Amazing the disinfectant qualities of a bit of sunshine. Now lets see the names of the people preparing the reports and their qualifications to write them. It looks like just another labour make work scheme for friends
  
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  February 8, 2024 4:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

The true intentions of Maori were laid bare for all to see at Waitangi.
How so?
First, Maori set the agenda for what politicians who spoke at Waitangi could and could not say.
To me this looks like a Coup, heading for Tyranny. Telling us what we can and can’t say? Cancel culture. Fuck off!

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/recent-waitangi-day-telegraphed-true-maori-intentions/
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February 8, 2024 2:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is Tuku Morgan about to get the arse card?

https://waateanews.com/2024/02/08/leadership-tussle-in-waikao-tainui/
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February 8, 2024 2:16pm
- David Garrett
  
  Perhaps he overspent the underwear budget Maggs…
  
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  February 8, 2024 2:19pm
  - Grunter
    
    Reportedly he needed to do some ‘arse covering’……
    
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    February 8, 2024 3:13pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, directly or indirectly us taxpayers keep that lot well fed and clothed. Maori Inc at its finest.
  
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  February 8, 2024 2:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  His replacement could be worse.
  
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  February 9, 2024 7:50am
Inandout

Russian TV did a street survey of how they saw Tucker’s visit. Of course they mostly agreed it was a step in the right direction for Russia but what struck me was the obvious literacy of these people being interviewed. Street surveys in the US expose the sheer ignorance of the average citizen, mumbling inane opinions.
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February 8, 2024 2:19pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Russian TV is all produced under the hard eye of Putin’s Regime – dissenters are once more being jailed (and if male frequently sent to die in Ukraine), and the public know the danger of speaking out. Vox populi is always carefully edited to show the view points desired. That is true of the west as well – where almost universally left to far-left TV news will typically only show opinions of people who share their views.
  
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  February 8, 2024 3:30pm
- kowtow
  
  Whatever you see presented on your screen is not objective reality.
  It’s what the producer /editor/owner wants you to see .
  Be it NZ , Russia, the USA or anywhere .
  
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  February 8, 2024 3:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The crazy deranged left gun thinking.
You are not being told the truth.
Yes it is 7 years old, so things are probably worse now. So what is NZ going to do about guns – illegal guns. Gangs still have them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1alljvP_org
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February 8, 2024 2:40pm
cmm

A Stuff contributor is having a whine about plane seat sizes saying they should be increased for health reasons because humans are getting bigger.

I’m not sure we should really consider making seats bigger for grossly obese people, but there has not been much consideration for tall people in the past.

At almost 6ft 6 in the old money, I have long given up any expectation of fitting in seats, beds and coupe cars. You would hope that airlines might reserve exit rows for taller people, but no – it’s first come first served.

I used to get annoyed when I walked past the exit row and saw the seats taken by little 5ft 3 garden gnomes. Now I just ignore it and wedge myself in (though I also fly less these days).

If they do start making allowances for people being taller then I hope they give consideration for the extra tall people first. There is little point in focusing on average sized people who don’t have a problem.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350172121/humans-are-getting-bigger-so-why-dont-plane-cabins-reflect
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February 8, 2024 2:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some alligators can grow up to fifteen feet – but most have four.
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February 8, 2024 3:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stress Management Technique.
This is unbelievable and will make you smile. In case you are having a
rough day, here’s a stress management technique that has been
recommended in all the latest psychological journals. The funny thing is that it
really does work and will make you smile:
1. Picture yourself lying on your belly on a warm rock that hangs out
over a crystal clear stream.
2. Picture yourself with both your hands in the cool running water.
3. Birds are sweetly singing in the cool mountain air.
4. No one knows your secret place.
5. You are in total seclusion from that hectic place called the World.
6. The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a
cascade of serenity.
7. The water is so clear you can make out the face of the Greens
Voter you are holding underwater.
See, it worked.
You’re smiling
You feel better already.
Have a great day!!
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February 8, 2024 3:43pm
- Albie
  
  Steve’s stress management technique- I had trouble reading that Steve because I was laughing so hard I cried! Couldn’t even read it out to my wife after I’d calmed down because my eyes were running. My sense of humour!
  
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  February 8, 2024 5:05pm
Ghost

Wait, what. This creep has now been employed by Te Puni Kōkiri. Shit, here’s some advice for Māori wellbeing, don’t hire an adult that groomed a 16 year old student. My god, stuff fired him, stuff found enough of a moral compass hidden away somewhere to fire him and a govt agency hires him.

An elite school has apologised after an independent investigation revealed a series of failings in its handling of allegations about a disgraced teacher.

It comes as Stuff has learned Taurapa is now working in a senior role for a government agency.

Article
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February 8, 2024 3:45pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  SHEESH!! Butter my butt and call me muffin.
  
  Let’s hope Te-Puni-Kokiri follow the advice of Stuffed ‘Chief People Officer’ Annamarie Jameison….
  
  “When new information relating to any employee comes to lite, regardless of timing, we take swift and appropriate action”
  
  cc Min. Stanford.
  
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  February 8, 2024 4:04pm
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, the 100 day action plan will sort Taurapa..well sort of.
  
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  February 8, 2024 4:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Has the 90-day-trial thing come in yet?
    Hopefully he can’t go them for hurty feelings and all that other shite.
    
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    February 8, 2024 5:02pm
    - Jack5
      
      What an outrageous appointment by Te Puni Kokiri, the Government’s principal policy advisor on Maori wellbeing and development.
      
      Taurapa, who previously went under the name of Connor Taurapa Matthews, was struck off the teaching register after an extremely brave stand by a young girl he groomed.
      
      She waived her right to privacy and name suppression, and this allowed the Taurapa case to be highlighted.
      
      Te Puni Kokiri has insulted the girl victims, their families, and the schools.
      
      Te Puni Kokiri falls under the new Minister for Maori Development, Tama Potaka. He will surely sort this out smartly.
      
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      February 8, 2024 8:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        The message Te Puni Kōkiri have sent is loud and clear. They cannot claim they didn’t know. Shit a 30 second google search would bring up the stuff articles
        
        Completely agree, the girl was brave to come forward.
        
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        February 8, 2024 9:27pm
Chuck Bird

This is hard to believe. Will National do something or is this also the job of Act and NZF?

BARRY BRILL: An Absurd Ardern Ambition

Thirty billion dollars ($30,000,000,000) is a mind-boggling amount of money.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/barry-brill-an-absurd-ardern-ambition?postId=65c3e5c2b9a8c685c71fc1d1
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February 8, 2024 4:07pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  All a bit hard to follow for someone like me Chuck.
  But am I correct in saying that imbecile Ardern, unilaterally committed to a donation from the NZ taxpayer of $30 BILLION DOLLARS to acquire useless Carbon Credits from France, just so she could get her photo on the cover of Paris Match?
  
  I may have misread it of course.
  
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  February 8, 2024 4:36pm
  - herb1
    
    You haven’t misread it.
    
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    February 8, 2024 6:17pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    You are right. I was not sure if the money was given or just promised. Barry just told me it had not been paid. I hope that Act and NZF make sure Luxon does not pay any of it.
    
    There is no climate emegency.
    
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    February 8, 2024 7:26pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’m staggered
  
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  February 8, 2024 9:43pm
Swifty

“We must never be scared to kill.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BDnWLIz7c1c

What say you Minto?
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February 8, 2024 4:34pm
Sparrow

The Barry Brill article about the $30 billion promised by Ardern is the most important article written for many a day. All should read it. Its a scandal New Zealand has a $30 billion liability unless we renegade on a promise made to the UN. Governments have been brought down for less than this. They are now in opposition. Not holding my breath for the media to react. Sending it to Simon Wilson if he has not blocked me.
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February 8, 2024 7:19pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I will send it to Groundswell.
  
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  February 8, 2024 7:28pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner said you should send it to the SFO.
    
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    February 8, 2024 8:12pm
Maggie Pie

Tell you what I wont be doing again….. entrring the NW ‘Customer Satisfation Survey’
This is the forth one i’ve been ask to complete since Xmas, with the promise i’m in the drawer to win a $100 voucher.
Never even had a sniff despite completing the last 3. They can stik their Suvets up there bum.
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February 8, 2024 7:39pm
- H. Upmann
  
  I thought you would be a Farro girl Maggie.
  
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  February 8, 2024 7:47pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not with Butter @ 11 bucks a pk!
    Their Morton Bay Bugs are worth the trip tho. On the barbie for 2 mins….HEAVENLY 😛
    
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    February 8, 2024 8:09pm
Unity

I would be interested to know whether anyone else feels like I’ve suddenly come to feel and that is as follows.

Do people feel Maori are going backwards with regard to their culture? Is it normal in today’s world to be stomping, chanting, poking out tongues, exposing backsides, rubbing noses, showing massive aggression etc etc. How many people today practise what their ancestors probably practised centuries ago? Have Maori perhaps not grown up and moved into civilisation away from their Stone Age beginnings?

For some time now I’ve been in utter despair every time all the stomping and chanting has taken place at everything that opens and shuts. My thinking is wondering that if Maori want to keep on with this aggressive behaviour which they did when still in the Stone Age, perhaps they should limit it to Maraes. Why should the rest of us have to put up with it all when many of us are totally fed up with it all.

Having said all of the above I’m only referring to the rabble rousers. There are many part Maori who are decent hardworking citizens getting by on their own initiative and are indistinguishable from the rest of us. I really feel we should have this conversation. Am I way off beam or do others feel like I’m starting to?

In today’s world with all that we have given them and helped them with surely they should have grown up and be able to act like proper adults instead of petulant badly behaved children.
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February 8, 2024 8:05pm
- PurplePen
  
  Nothing to worry about as the noisy one’s are very much a minority even amongst Maori.
  
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  February 8, 2024 10:28pm
Jack5

Getting as far as a Parliamentary committee hearing on Treaty “principles” will be a victory for ACT .

Remember what happened after the mosques massacres, and Ardern led a clampdown on lawful gun owners – sports shooters, farmers, hunters?

Seymour tried to get a Parliamentary committee hearing on gun law. He held out bravely alone against all political-comers and the media. He held out until the last minute.

Then in what looked to many of us to be a stunt, he was outside the chamber, on the steps of Parliament when the critical vote was taken. His single vote would have forced a Parliamentary committee hearing.

Views expressed to the committee mightn’t have changed Labour’s clampdown on legal firearms owners, but it would have instilled some, perhaps a little, reason into the hysteria.

It seems likely that someone, perhaps from National, or a prominent ACT backer, at the last minute got to Seymour, standing bravely alone.

The point is, a Parliamentary committee hearing isn’t nothing. It should give a chance for views on Treaty “principles” to be aired, and even if downplayed or ignored by the bloc of State media and bought-off private media, submissions will be on record and available to the free internet.

It will help us decide our vote at the next General Election.
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