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NeverMindTheBollocks

No thought of climate change from this crowd.

Perhaps they should have Zoomed in.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/02/traffic-chaos-causing-headache-for-thousands-heading-to-waitangi-day-celebrations.html
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February 7, 2024 8:02am
- Inandout
  
  NM, who in their right mind heads for this Pēwhairangi place. Sitting in a sweltering car for hours is insane.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:11am
Yvette

Review: As the programme of the ‘three-headed taniwha’ reveals itself as no less than the erasure of Te Tiriti principles in our national life, ‘Te Hau Whakatonu | A Series of Never-Ending Beginnings’ patiently and elegantly illuminates the kaupapa of Mana Whenua. – Newsroom heading from their daily email daily briefing

Consider for a tolerant moment the almost seeming rediculous simplicity of American Byron Katie questions –

Every time you do [absolutely question any belief] you are becoming enlightened to who and what you are, the true nature of being. To question what you believe is an amazing gift to give yourself, and you can have it all the days of your life. The answers are always inside you, just waiting to be heard.

Katie has four questions for any passing thoughts that have become an unquestioned belief, the first two being of utter simplicity –
Q1. Is it true?
Q2. Can you absolutely know that it’s true?

… the ‘three-headed taniwha’ reveals itself as no less than the erasure of Te Tiriti principles in our national life

“Is it true? Can you absolutely know that it’s true?”

No one at Waitangi really properly found out
The ignorant and uninformed, indeed perhaps the deliberately misinformed, having the chance to hear the one person who could clearly state what is troubling them, and then question its utter truth, or not, sang over the top of that chance and remained troubled, but also remained unable to question the truth of their directed frustration and anger.

What a missed opportunity, and what a missed occasion for the Maori King to even demand silence for Seymour, the embodiment of the ‘three-headed taniwha’ to explain himself – like, reveal what is true or not.

What a bloody shame. Now we all will see history repeat itself
And of this collective stupidity by a portion of those at Waitangi, the truth may be – they want to remain troubled, remain in victim hood (but colonised a second time, mentally, by their own choice)
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February 7, 2024 8:03am
- G152
  
  That treatment of the truth at Waitangi shows that we have a good democracy where, in spite of the power of politicians attending and getting berated by the beneficiaries of Waitangi, There was no {and hopefully will not be} repercussions.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:12am
- Ehlana
  
  And that newsroom entry motivated me to finally cancel my subscription. Name-calling and misrepresentation of other peoples intentions are a great way to show that you are not thinking carefully about an issue, or making a thoughtful contribution to the discussion.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:37am
  - Yvette
    
    Yes, Ehlana, it does cast a little doubt over the Newsroom motto of –
    
    Independence.
    Intelligence.
    Integrity.
    
    – as displayed on their headings page, and sub or end tag with the actual article, that I (half blind :o) can see, to undo any reflection that Newsroom agrees
    
    I have not read already –
    PM got ‘off the dance floor out of the noise’
    A National MP says the PM deliberately chose not to respond to issues raised by tangata whenua at Waitangi to get “out of the noise” – by Jo Moir
    or
    Democracy in danger when lies go unchecked
    When politicians fail to call out a lie by one of their own, it can have a dampening effect on democracy
    by Newsroom Staff
    
    – I might not
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:13am
    - Piniwi
      
      It is interesting to note the repeat rate of Newsroom articles in other media party outlets or repeater stations which fit into their narrative. Sadly Newsroom have seemed to be trying to make the news instead of reporting it but without the “Opinion” rider we might expect. I let it keep coming as these days so few emails arrive and it serves as an indicator of how far the media have strayed from giving us the news and what might be expected from the rest of the mob.
      
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      February 7, 2024 11:03am
- Tricati
  
  The Maori King asking for silence is fanciful as not all Maori/iwi recognize his standing.
  He has no constitutional significance in NZ, or on our democratic processes, and other than being a Elder/leader for Tainui; and a puppet for Tuku Morgan, he has no influence over the majority of Kiwi’s.
  And I do wish our bloody painful MSM media would stop referring to him as some higher power in NZ.
  
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  February 7, 2024 11:45am
  - John Loveridge
    
    I guess Tuku cut a slit in the back of the old kingi’s silk boxers so he could get his hand up there to operate him.
    
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    February 7, 2024 5:34pm
- herb1
  
  Newsroom are pathetic as their Facebook post dosent allow any comments.
  Clearly they know that their article is BS.
  I’m getting really fed up with the media running the line , and using useful idiots, to say Act is racist and wanting to cancel the treaty.
  Racism now seems to be calling for equal treatment for everyone regardless of race. Oh how anti racist protester’s of the past would have welcomed this.
  Seymour’s bill only seeks to define the oft mentioned Treaty Principles. None of which are defined or even in the TOW, but appear in legislation and Government employment contracts, asking people to obey or follow these u defined principles.
  No less than the Maori King in his Rātana and Waitangi speech has confirmed there are no such thing as Treaty Principles.
  He’s done Seymour’s job for him , essentially agreeing with Seymour’s beliefs so no doubt will support the Government’s move to remove any references in legislation or employment contracts, to the Principles of the Treaty.
  Why can’t the media or Maori join the dots.
  It’s not difficult
  
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  February 7, 2024 12:33pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Listening to Chris Luxon being interviewed by Ingrid Hipkiss on RNZ this morning, I was impressed by his calm responses to her mostly idiotic questions.

It’s a refreshing contrast to how other politicians and commentators present their views.
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February 7, 2024 8:04am
- peterwn
  
  Perhaps some summer intern in the PM’s office will receive a kick up the backside for merely copying and pasting parts of Chris’s last year’s Waitangi speech and not paraphrasing them so they look different.
  Anyway it is difficult to accuse Chris of changing his attitudes to suit circumstances when his 2024 speech is consistent to his 2023 speech (when he was Leader of the Opposition).
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:39am
  - JackRabbit
    
    If the message is true, it needs repeating word for word. Constantly changing the narrative or making shit up is a hallmark of Labour, or the Mad Hatters Tea Party.
    
    Why change a narrative to be like every other deranged idiot?
    
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    February 7, 2024 12:04pm
- Paulus
  
  Yesterday I saw what I believe to be a sad and disgraceful presentation by a Newshub reporter Amelia Wade at the Treaty Grounds
  
  If I was her employer I would send her a letter in the following terms.
  
  Dear Ms Wade
  Whatever the sun and the persuasion of Waitangi Day led you to express in somewhat vicious terms your view of the Elected Prime Minister of New Zealand in that you on numerous occasions called him just Luxon.
  The longer you spoke the worse your consideration of what you were doing was sad to say the least.
  He is the Elected Prime Minister and will be accorded that in all circumstances, as will other Ministers.
  Whilst you work hard in the Press Galley you tried to ensure that the current Government was not elected, they were, so show some deference, even trying and outdo Tova, the arch anti Government media person, is wasted.
  Sadly you and your other media lady colleague continue to outsmart everything the elected Government is doing, other than you want. That is not clever !
  Why should the Prime Minister chose to ignore you as you run along side him shouting to ask him why he will not give you an interview – even you.
  You lost the Election so take a hard look at yourself and perhaps for the sake of you future employment get some Counselling.
  As your employer take this as a serious opinion – the Prime Minister is the Prime Minister whether you like him or not.
  Unlike you, he was duly Elected by the people of New Zealand.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:50am
  - Damocles11
    
    Send it to her C/- TV3
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:50am
  - Burtland
    
    Amelia Wade’s stupid “secret white supremacist salute” accusation should have been the end of her – TV3 continue to make bad editorial choices.
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:01am
  - peterwn
    
    This is unfortunately a standard journalistic style which would seem to date from earlier times when using christian names for males was avoided (eg in schools). The first time a person is referred to in an article, the full ‘description’ would be used eg Hon Justice Jones or Chris Luxon, but subsequent references use just the surname as the ‘tag’. While this may have been OK in years gone by, I regard this as disrespectful nowadays especially with regard to the judiciary. They can surely be referred to as ‘the judge’ for the tag. In other cases the christian name can surely be used as a tag. There is a slight issue in Chris Luxon’s case as ‘Chris’ could be ambiguous but this issue would go away when Labour appoints a new leader.
    So journos are merely following general journalistic ‘style’ and individual journos cannot be blamed for merely following accepted journalistic ‘style’ which is what their editors expect.
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:44am
  - Ehlana
    
    Didn’t see the Newshub report last night on Waitangi.
    
    Did notice mid-morning that TV3 were reporting on the stalls selling goods and the approaching protestors rather than carrying the inter-denominational church service.
    
    I wonder why?
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:59am
  - Piniwi
    
    It has reached the point where one reads the headline then the byline and clicks “next” including the AM show where they are so desperate they had to interview Lynch today. Burr looks uncomfortable sitting down and that wide eyed expression looks like a dog shot in the bum. Perhaps one of those donut cushions might help. Lol
    
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    February 7, 2024 11:17am
- Scooter
  
  NMTB try listening to this absolute joke of an interview between
  Thomas Coughlan and Elizabeth Rata, prime example of how the standards have dropped with media interviews. He is totally out of his depth, has no valid argument and constantly stumbles and stutters his replies. She on the other hand answers clearly and to the point.
  
  https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/02/where-should-treaty-of-waitangi-sit.html?m=1
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:59am
  - trout
    
    Thankyou for providing the link. Elizabeth Rata is amazing; she relies on facts to back up her opinions. In this case she left Coughlan wallowing in quicksand as he tried to justify the reinterpreting of the TOW by the tribalists.
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:58am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Its a given that Coughlan has never read or studied the original TOW.
      
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      February 7, 2024 12:06pm
  - PurplePen
    
    Wow .. just finished listening to Elizabeth Rata answering Thomas Coughlan’s questions. Long interview, but everything she explains is solid, clear and logical. Thomas seems to be biased and unread. The other point that occurred to me is MSM keep pandering to the left but also at this time to the tribalists and their followers who are very much a minority. You would think that MSM would want to maximise their opportunity to generate revenue and If you’re wanting to increase your revenue and listeners and readers and at least appeal to a wider audience.
    
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    February 7, 2024 12:54pm
  - herb1
    
    So nice to hear someone discussing the treaty, particularly Maori, in a calm voice and clearly having a great depth of understanding.
    Coughlan was way out of his depth and sadly is probably one of the better Herald opinion spreaders
    
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    February 7, 2024 1:13pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    She was a class act.
    
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    February 7, 2024 8:36pm
- BeaB
  
  If there is an intervening school she needs a long stint there. It’s sad how dumbed down Morning Report now is.
  I am hoping Melissa Lee has some plans to strip them back to core roles, along with TVNZ, and keep them on a starvation budget until they learn the basics of fair, objective, informative reporting.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:54am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Bea,
    
    Lee has to tell the boards of Rnz and Tvnz that, because both organisations enabled adern and her rabble to destroy the New Zealand economy, there is no money available for the ‘nice to haves’ such as state broadcasters.
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:51am
    - SoloView
      
      @ imalwaysright
      
      From TVNZ “Statement of Performance Expectations 2021”
      
      TVNZ is a Crown Owned Entity and has a Board of Directors appointed by the Minister of
      Finance and the Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media.
      The Chief Executive has day to day management of the company.
      The Television New Zealand Act 2003 provides the company editorial independence of which
      freedom from political influence is a fundamental principle.
      
      TVNZ is not directly funded to provide any service, and all of TVNZ’s revenue comes from
      advertising and non-Crown commercial sources.
      
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      February 7, 2024 2:26pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Thanks Solo,
        I wasn’t aware of how it worked. I would still like to see their sorry arses on the dole. If not worse.
        
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        February 7, 2024 8:42pm
Luke Piewalker

Great day in the sun watching Kane Williamson get test century number 30.

… apparently it was Waitangi Day yesterday as well.

I can confirm life is way better with no media.
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February 7, 2024 8:07am
- Ruawai
  
  Number 31, he got his 30th the day before.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:13am
  - Littletramp
    
    Yes – showing the difference between talent (Ravindra) and greatness (Williamson).
    
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    February 7, 2024 8:20am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not really. Once the message went out to accelerate the scoring, a number of NZ players lost their wickets to what would otherwise be considered rash shots – Kane included.
      
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      February 7, 2024 8:59pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  Absolutely. I mean the “no media” comment. Go the cricket!
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:30am
- DaleK
  
  Disappointed to see NZC flying the Maori Separatist flag in between the SA and NZ flags at the ground. Its the equivalent of the USA flying the confederacy flag at Superbowl.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:41am
  - Damocles11
    
    NZC have gone hyper woke.
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:51am
    - Opie
      
      The cricket coverage is free now, but comes with forced maorification of everything
      
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      February 7, 2024 10:31am
      - Christopher Thomson
        
        Even free I won’t be watching them.
        
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        February 7, 2024 4:38pm
- pdm
  
  The test would be almost over if they had played Ajaz Patel.
  
  Remember Ajaz – the guy that took 14 wickets, including all 10 in an innings not long ago (2021) and then gets dropped.
  
  BTW he was only the 3rd player to take all 10 in an innings – preceded by greats Jim Laker 1956 and Anil Kumble 1999.
  
  If the Yarpies part timer can take 6 in an innings then I ask – how devastating would Patel be on the same wicket?
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Don’t think so, Santer bowled very well, Patel would not have made any difference, it’s great they didn’t enforce the follow on, because it gave us an awesome display from Williamson
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:20am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Context pdm, context. Brand got most of his wickets because NZ were trying to force the pace on a slow wicket with a bit of turn, not because of any great skill at getting people out. And on Patels 10, it was a great performance. But again, context. The ball was turning relatively sharply with bounce in Bombay. If memory serves me, Ashwin took 4 for 6 (and turned it square) in NZ’s innings of about 60 on the second day.
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:22am
    - MCōs
      
      Ajaz Patel took ten wickets at the Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai
      He was born in Bombay, India in 1988, not Bombay, Auckland
      The city changed its name in 1995
      The NZ rural district is was named after a ship, which is odd because it’s landlocked
      
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      February 7, 2024 9:53am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        You have an issue with my comment MCos?
        
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        February 7, 2024 10:52am
      - Nobby2
        
        The ship “Bombay” bought out immigrants in the mid 1860’s and they named the area after the ship.
        
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        February 7, 2024 3:47pm
    - pdm
      
      Invino/mcos – Patel took 14 wickets in that test.
      
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      February 7, 2024 9:59am
Tom Barker

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The National Party – so brimming with fresh ideas that its leader gave much the same speech two years running, and promises to continue doing so.
For More of the Same – vote National!
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February 7, 2024 8:08am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You think inconsistency is a virtue, Tom?
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:20am
- lifesgood
  
  He has to repeat himself to get the message into the heads of the thickos.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:24am
  - pdm
    
    Says he will do so again next year.
    
    How thick are those thugs and activists.
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:09am
  - R
    
    nto the heads of the thickos……….
    and more importantly into the heads of the journalists and reporters. heaven knows, there is plenty of available cranium space in many of our media folk.
    
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    February 7, 2024 11:15am
- Gravelroad
  
  Mr Hipkins told his followers at the Waitangi meeting to “be kind”.
  Think I have heard that somewhere before also – for a period of six years or so.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He can’t even come up with his own slogans, has to copy.
    Nek minit “safe and effective.’
    
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    February 7, 2024 8:31am
    - imalwaysright
      
      “Safe and effective ”
      
      The exact opposite of his government
      
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      February 7, 2024 12:07pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Except that the “kind” referred to, was an innuendo for: “Don’t say anything that triggers my neurosis, counters my communist goals, or makes transparent my covert and dastardly plans.”
    
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    February 7, 2024 12:13pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He said he wanted the same theme, Māori will not be having g separatist services, how is that more of the same, he wants to make it easier for Maori to thrive for their selves
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:39am
- Frank Hematuria
  
  Far better to have secret reports that are “not policy” but are and promise to tell the public about them and then don’t but meantime corrupt the democratic process by ramming through 300+ page legislation for those policy changes and refuse to talk about it. And gag the media from doing so. Yip, yip, much better.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:40am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Well put Frank
    
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    February 7, 2024 12:08pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  “For More of the Same – vote National!” And here was me thinking that Labour, the Greens and Maori were all complaining bitterly about the changes National are making. Amazing how two people listening to the same stuff can hear different things.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:24am
- Damocles11
  
  So he should have turned up talking about ‘pakeha spiders’, ‘a den of lions’, ‘enemy’, ‘I train my guns on you and ‘bang’….I fire my weapon!’ and all the other rubbish that the Labour muppets spouted….
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:54am
- JackRabbit
  
  Tom,
  
  Consistency is to be applauded. If the message is valid, it needs to be repeated, unaltered.
  
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  February 7, 2024 12:10pm
artemisia

Maori activists lawfare. Waitangi Tribunal claims since the 2023 election – smoking x 2, Maori Health Authority, Maori Language (plus a High Court case). More to come. And also more taxpayer funding to respond. That would be taxpayer funding diverted from other priorities in an environment of belt tightening.

The Waitangi Tribunal has already said claimants are not properly funded to bring their claims according to a culturally appropriate process.
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February 7, 2024 8:08am
- Yabster
  
  disband the Tribunal- simple.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:37am
- pdm
  
  arty – the should spend there own money like the rest of us would have to,
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:11am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Wasn’t it the Waitangi Tribunal that recommended various settlements that have been made? And now they claim Maori aren’t “funded”? Seriously?
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:26am
- John Loveridge
  
  It always comes down to the money: Maoris want more of everybody else’s.
  
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  February 7, 2024 5:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

‘Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue (The Angry American)’ which came out after 9/11. “I was so angry when we were attacked here on American soil that it leaked out of me. You know, some people wept when they heard it,”
Toby Keith dead at 62.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/country-music-legend-toby-keith-dies-at-62/ss-BB1hRFPc
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February 7, 2024 8:09am
- cmm
  
  Americans were angered and, worse, humiliated.
  Anger is a terrible emotion that screws with your thinking. Humiliation is worse.
  How could a half dozen punks with $2 box cutters defeat the might of America?
  They had no target to point their billion-dollar aircraft carriers at. Hence the irrational response of invading Iraq.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:18am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Look out for the Houthis with a gaggle of guerillas closing the internet down.
    
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    February 7, 2024 8:31am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep. All comms cables cross undersea through there.
      Now, That would get peoples attention.
      
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      February 7, 2024 9:14am
      - kowtow
        
        Yep , all those bright young things following the Hamas Huggers on a Saturday march would amend their rants to ;
        
        From the river to the sea , we want our internet for free.
        
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        February 7, 2024 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I never understood that. How much damage could the highjackers do with a craft knife if someone tried to disarm them?
    Easy to say when you are not there, but I would have no trouble. Bit of blood and a couple of gonads on the floor to make sure they never breed. If you know you are going to die if you do nothing, it changes your mindset real quick.
    Think of your defence. A camera in a bag with a strap. A laptop as a shield.
    
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    February 7, 2024 8:58am
    - Joely Doe
      
      Primarily it was because hijacked planes were usually allowed to land and demands were met
      Probably a bomb threat was made as well
      
      Not flown into buildings
      
      Try hijacking an aircraft now… no reasonable passenger is going to allow the aircraft to be taken
      
      Look at what happened to UA 93, once passengers understood they were not going to land
      
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      February 7, 2024 10:59am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Sigh, like the Mark Walberg “If I was there, it wouldn’t have gone down like that”.
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/celebritology/post/mark-wahlberg-says-he-wouldnt-have-let-a-plane-crash-into-the-world-trade-center-on-911/2012/01/18/gIQAdVdZ8P_blog.html
      Easy to be an action movie hero in your own head, and disregard all the elements of human psychology that play out in group scenarios, stress and threat.
      
      The people didn’t know they were going to die, and the attackers also claimed to have bombs, so you would be pretty dumb to take it on yourself to call that bluff and leap at the team of hijackers.
      
      For hijackers to fly into buildings deliberately was not something that had occurred before. When people on the flight UN93 learnt their suicidal intentions then the plane-load of people did fight back and forced the jihadis to ditch short of target as they fought to enter the cockpit.
      
      Hindsight is 20/20 and fantasy is even more powerful than that.
      
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      February 7, 2024 12:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So you would put your head between your legs, kneel on the floor, pray, and kiss your arse goodbye?
        Fight or flight, we know which one you are.
        
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        February 7, 2024 3:59pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        One of the guys who helped the fight back was a Kiwi.
        
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        February 7, 2024 9:52pm
  - Che Guava
    
    “How could a half dozen punks with $2 box cutters defeat the might of America?”
    
    How indeed. Very very very unlikely on any reasonable analysis. The reason you find this so implausible is because it is implausible. Laughably so, in fact.
    
    “Hence the irrational response of invading Iraq.”
    
    This is very much like Covidmania: the response wasn’t irrational, it was completely rational. It only appeared to be irrational if the official narrative was accepted. It had the appearance of irrationality if one accepted the pretext communicated to the public. But once the motivations that were never communicated (but could be easily inferred by observant but sceptical people) were understood, it was all completely rational.
    
    Likewise, the invasions and occupations of both Afghanistan and Iraq were rational acts directed at determinate goals, if we understand the actual goals to be achieved and divorce the military campaigns from their spurious connections to their justifying pretext, 9/11.
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:18am
artemisia

Herald headline today. ‘They made it too easy’: Grieving Mum pleads for crane’s removal after veteran’s death

Very sad. No further comment.
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February 7, 2024 8:09am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Darwin’s Law in action.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:32am
- Positan
  
  No thought given towards the value of proper parental raising, Artemisia – like teaching offspring common sense in order to make them cognisant of danger and potentially-harmful consequences of attempting stupid acts? Instead, just call for the crane to be removed? Jeez, how dumbed down and non-thinking have some Kiwis become?
  
  There was an incident at Nelson’s velodrome last week where a boy lost control of his bicycle when he rode into the twisty tunnel that accesses the velodrome and hurt himself when he scraped himself on the wall. Resultantly, his mother called for “padding” to be mounted on the wall.
  Wouldn’t it be simpler and far more productive to inform unskilled riders that, if their capabilities aren’t up to it, they should walk their bikes through the tunnel than risk injury?
  Most would realise there are many things other than tunnel walls that are potential threats to unwary cyclists, so should we “pad” them all?
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:50am
- Homas
  
  The last chap did his bit when I was living in Oriental Bay – I think I was on my way to the gym when I walked past the Police launch and divers – all rather grim.
  
  I note that during my time in Wellington, I also missed, by a matter of minutes, some unfortunate soul ending it all from a height, near Midland Park.
  
  …and if I stretch my memory, I think there was the odd (but fatal) case of the drunk guy getting stuck in a drain at the Te Papa car park whilst trying to recover his dropped keys.
  
  Lotsa shit gonna need banning…
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:06am
- John Loveridge
  
  Maybe it’s time to remove all trees and cliffs too, and any buildings facing the water. Dumbarses will dumbarse.
  
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  February 7, 2024 5:38pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

A very small, carefully selected group of Wellingtonians favour higher parking fees for SUVs.

The Guardian too calls for SUV taxes.

In other news, water is wet.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/02/after-paris-votes-in-favour-of-higher-suv-parking-charges-some-wellingtonians-say-they-d-support-it-for-their-city.html
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February 7, 2024 8:10am
- Matt Long
  
  Has Paris worked out it’s parking charges for tractors and effluent pumps yet?
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:26am
  - lifesgood
    
    Those Remuera tractors are a bloody nuisance. They are too high, too wide and mostly just for show. Trying to back out of angle parking when you blocked in by these monsters is nigh on impossible. You have to do it blind and hope for the best.
    
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    February 7, 2024 8:35am
    - I remember when
      
      lifesgood:
      And, it has been suggested that being bigger and heavier, as well as wider and higher, they have helped cause a spike in road deaths.
      Being heavier has meant that EVs may also have contributed.
      
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      February 7, 2024 9:17am
    - Waipuk
      
      As I live far from work I drive a VW Polo for the fuel economy.
      
      “I think all but compacts should pay more for parking.” 🤣
      
      It is nimbyism. Someone else should pay, just not me but those bastards in SUV’s should.
      
      This is salami slicing. Who is next after the SUVs?
      
      The FAIR system is congestion charging.
      
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      February 7, 2024 9:43am
      - pdm
        
        Waipuk – since when have you had to pay for parking in your namesake town – Waipukurau?
        
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        February 7, 2024 10:02am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        On the upside, there are no traffic lights between Brown Owl (Upper Hutt) and the centre of Hastings (apart from Waka Kotahi’s, of course).
        
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        February 7, 2024 11:06am
      - I remember when
        
        How about drivers of vehicles with towbars should pay more for parking.
        And while we are at it, lets make their insurance dearer.
        
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        February 7, 2024 11:17am
    - GregM
      
      Back into angle parks and the problem goes away. In some Aussie states it’s compulsory,
      
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      February 7, 2024 11:17am
      - Local Miller
        
        In NZ it’s specifically illegal to reverse into skew parking. You block the road for too long while reversing in, and you are parking facing on coming traffic.
        
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        February 7, 2024 2:14pm
    - M.Solvent
      
      I’m looking at buying an SUV due to the proliferation of speed-bumps and potholes in my area
      
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      February 7, 2024 2:56pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        It’s one of the principal reasons I drive a big one with air suspension – many Christchurch streets require one to traverse in any sort of comfort.
        
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        February 7, 2024 5:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How about higher parking fees for heavy EVs?
  Oh wait, that’s different. They don’t even pay RUC.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:27am
  - Sacha
    
    Fun You-Tuber: MGUY Australia – debunking EVs
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Along with that weird thinking of having a bigger vehicle means you pay more for parking, same applies in a plane. If you want to park your big arse on two seats, you pay more.
  Incoming screaming in 3, 2, 1.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:03am
- kowtow
  
  Paris votes , says newshub .
  
  What they didn’t tell us as reported by the UK Daily Telegraph ” of 1.3 million eligible voters , less than 6 % , 78120 voted ”
  
  Our te media pardy are gate keepers with an agenda.
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:10am
- MCōs
  
  We have what could loosely be described as a SUV, but one could also say it’s a hatchback, so I don’t know, nor do I care.
  Previously we had a Corolla sedan and the boot space was more than our current vehicle
  What annoys me are bloody great, angle parked, utes with tow bars that stick right out into the road
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:12am
Cassandra

Waitangi Trust CEO: “The proof is always in the pudding”. Mate, don’t misuse quotes, you’d be offended if I used a Maori proverb incorrectly – the proof of the pudding is in the eating ie it’s results which count, not words.
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February 7, 2024 8:14am
- pdm
  
  Cass.
  
  Any mention up north of the activist (thug) who exposed his penis (testicles?) and buttocks to David Seymour (and no doubt others including ladies) during the Maori welcome to the Marae the other day?
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:15am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Surely indecent exposure is a crime, and not ‘culture’?
    Is this what they meant by Te Ao Maori?
    
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    February 7, 2024 1:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  As Winston said, ‘get educated’ or something.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:16am
TripeWryter

I don’t want to add to a mother’s grief by being insensitive.
A couple of weeks ago a man aged 34 jumped from the top of the floating crane Hikitia, which is berthed in Wellington on the waterfront, into the water.
He died.
The news tells us this morning that his grieving mother wants Hikitia gone.
That’s to remove the ‘temptation’, presumably, and save people from themselves so they won’t ‘make stupid decisions’.
I thought: ‘How typically New Zealand. Somebody does something that’s dumb, fatally, and the implication is that it’s someone else’s fault. Therefore, ban the floating crane.’
I’m sorry for the mother. No parent should have to bury their child no matter how old he is.
I’m sorry to be insensitive.
But her 34 year-old boy should have known better.
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February 7, 2024 8:16am
- greybeard
  
  And if that particular crane wasn’t there then it would be some other building or piece of equipment or whatever.
  I too feel sorry for her but people must take responsibility for their own actions and decisions, no matter how bad.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:57am
  - lifesgood
    
    What about the people who take their lives from trees and lamp posts? Ban them too?
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:30am
  - peterwn
    
    Perhaps all the waterside areas need to have razor wire topped fences installed to prevent people diving or falling into the water.
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:54am
- Paulus
  
  Was he either pissed, or drugged, perhaps.
  Sorry, silly boy !
  
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  February 7, 2024 1:38pm
  - Max Howler
    
    even 25 years ago the owners were doing their best to deter climbers/jumpers
    but it’s not completely unheard of, for (usually) young males who don’t have a lot of other challenges in their lives, and certainly very unwise esp at night. (if not straight out misadventure)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAeuGFzH8QY
    
    near the end, one of the crowd comments “what a crazy Cnut…..” sums it up perfectly.
    
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    February 7, 2024 2:37pm
Matt Long

Border guards don’t need new laws or more money, just the ability to do their jobs, doesn’t that sound like the frustration of front line workers around the Western world.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-phil-admits-different-treatment-migrants-border-shocked-insane
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February 7, 2024 8:29am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  A friend of mine worked on Border Patrol and I asked him how it was going, and he told me he has been seeking early medical retirement as he was bash on the head with a metal pole and never completely recovered (it turned out to be worse than concussion).
  He said …”10 years of blood, sweat and tears working on the front line. Shot at multiple times and threatened with death more times than I count. It’s a slap in the face to see the current situation. “
  
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  February 7, 2024 1:12pm
Maggie Pie

If the best TV3’s Lloyd Burr can find to lead the news this morning, is to critisize the PM for using a couple of relevant paras from last years speech…..what a complete lefty gay tosser he’s turned out to be!
God I miss Ryan.
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February 7, 2024 8:29am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  It really wouldn’t surprise me if what was actually going on is that some “journalist” was scratching about through past speeches to see if they could catch Luxon out plagiarising somebody. Imagine their excitement when they find that he _has_ copied someone’s work, only for the depression to hit when they realise he’s copied his own work!
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:36am
- John Loveridge
  
  You watch that rubbish, Maggie?
  
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  February 7, 2024 5:42pm
lifesgood

Newstalk ZB news is getting worse and worse. Yesterday Jo Gillfillan sprinkled every bulletin with ‘Aotearoa’ , was very pro Maori separatists and added lots of Maori words. The bulletins this morning harped on and on about Luxon repeating the same ( few lines) words from last year’s speech as if it was a terrible thing. Honestly!
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February 7, 2024 8:30am
- Grunter
  
  Newstalk ZB is the only MSM I tune into (or read/watch). And that is only because of Hosk.
  
  I have noticed over the last few months that even ZB has moved noticeably to the left woke side of things. It is making it difficult to stay tuned in.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:59am
  - lifesgood
    
    Agree, Grunter, even HDP is going further left and she sure has some crackpots on The Huddle. At least there are still some worth listening to, Kerre Woodham, Tim Dower and Jim Snedden, most of the time. Mikey Beban very wisely stays clear of politics, left or right.
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:36am
    - greybeard
      
      Tim Dower did a great job standing in for Hosking over the Christmas period.
      
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      February 7, 2024 10:02am
      - Paulus
        
        Yuk !
        Glad that Hosk is back again.
        
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        February 7, 2024 1:40pm
    - RoboRob
      
      I think HDPA is doing her job. She hassled Labour when they were in power and now the National are she is pushing them too. Unlike outlets like Stuff who were critical of National when Labour was in power and now critical of National while they are in power 🙂
      
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      February 7, 2024 10:04am
    - Ghost
      
      Heather is doing what she is paid to do, thankfully. I hate journalists and talk shows who pin their colours to one party and never hold theirs to account. Doesn’t mean she is going left, it means she is good at her job
      
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      February 7, 2024 1:46pm
- pdm
  
  life – the problem is these news readers only read what is prepared for them.
  
  It seems they never challenge it which is what a good newsreader would/should do.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:18am
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    Not sure I agree with you there pdm.
    There is far too much personal comment, judgement and activism already by people who read the news -especially by the likes of Simon Dallow who frequently adds his own opinion to what is supposed to be the news.
    It is up to the editors and media outlet management to set a policy around this and enforce it.
    Not all presenters are journalists.
    Not all journalists are news readers.
    I would rather just have the facts of a story presented on the news.
    We already have enough news readers challenging the content to suit their own views.
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:38am
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      gravel – I was referring to NewstalkZB not the maorified and woke TVNZ.
      
      You are bang on about Simon Dallow.
      
      Then there was that awful woman who started to front Seven Sharps Treaty expose – that sheila cannot even do the weather properly so we were swiftly to sky sport.
      
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      February 7, 2024 10:07am
  - Interested Party
    
    Normally the news readers prepare the words spoken
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:02am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Ok, they can say what they like then?
      As a former newspaper reporter, admittedly from days gone by, my experience was that no reporter was permitted to insert their opinion into a news story.
      Or spin the facts to give a certain impression based on a personal agenda.
      If a reporter did that, the sub-editors would be straight into the reporters’ room for a sort out.
      If it was really bad, the subs would be followed by the editor and the general manager to give an update on editorial and management policy.
      That was the news.
      If some wanna-be influencer in the reporters room wanted to bestow their personal knowledge and opinion on the paper’s subscription payers and advertising funders, then they had a process of justification to go through.
      
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      February 7, 2024 10:44am
Matt Long

The definition of Youth Offender in California is now 26 and under. Presumably these people no longer tried as adults get the vote?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/gavin-newsom-overrules-california-parole-board-wanted-free-gang-member-who-murdered-minister-early
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February 7, 2024 8:32am
- peterwn
  
  How about over 70’s being treated as Youth Offenders as they are losing their marbles and entering their second childhoods.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:46am
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    Speaking as an over seventy I’m certainly not entering my second childhood by a long stretch physically
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:34am
    - Ehlana
      
      No problem MCos, most 18 – 26 year olds aren’t physically in childhood by a long stretch either.
      
      If we’re going to decide they are not intellectually developed enough to be held responsible for their actions, then we shouldn’t ask them to vote.
      
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      February 7, 2024 1:59pm
bennerg

On Medpagetoday.com today was a hit piece on Ivermectin, cunningly disguised as a commentary on AI and ChatGPT in particular.

What Does AI Say About the Claims on Ivermectin for COVID?
https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/108560

But it revealed an ironic, if not hypocritical viewpoint on how science is actually delivered:

“Science is like baseball. To score a run — to convincingly show that a drug or intervention is safe and effective — all the bases have to be rounded. In the case of science, the bases frequently include, in stepwise progression, studies in test tubes (in vitro studies), animal studies, randomized double-blind placebo-controlled trials, publication in peer-reviewed journals, meta-analyses of all high-quality randomized trials, FDA approval, real world studies, and consensus guidelines produced by professional societies. “

Given the magazine’s 100% support for the mRNA vaccines, rushed into the market, bypassing the steps outlined above, it gives an insight into the subtle and pervasive manipulation of the public, into accepting a new and novel drug, all the while dismissing an alternative that (a) already had impeccable safety credentials, (b) has now been shown beyond doubt to have significant benefits, especially in the prevention phase.

How can we ensure our public officials truly act on our behalf? How can we ensure they do not contract us into agreements we can never see? Or force our own physicians to act in a way, contrary to their training, hounding them when they speak out?

And most importantly how can we ensure there are consequences for those who have been shown to have acted in an improper way, telling us it was both “safe and effective” when even with information they had at that time, it was obvious it was not. Apart from giving them Knight and Dame Hoods of course?
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February 7, 2024 8:37am
nathie

Was listening (until they got turned off) to a couple of ZB’s (far) left wing hosts over the weekend (I don’t mean their more moderate centre-left ones), sticking the knife into the coalition govt (mainly Luxon, Seymour and Peters but also some others), picking out minor issues and blowing them out of proportion, denigrating their character and making them sound like “evil”, untrustworthy people in it for themselves.

(Whilst thinking how come they never scrutinise their left-wing politician mates in the same way? Was also thinking these two would be better off at Red Radio but suggest even they wouldn’t be welcome there because of their egos)!

Also one of their more familiar hosts kept up the pretence that Seymour was “changing the Treaty of Waitangi” and this encouraged a few callers to put the boot in.

Which got me thinking. Yes we know elements of the MSM are deliberately misrepresenting ACT’s intentions. And at the end of the day what is wrong with public debate to advance the pros and cons from both sides (so why shut it down)?

But clearly there is a lot of ignorance in the community about ACT’s intentions.

Which also got me thinking perhaps ACT needs to point out how the Treaty Principles impact on everyday NZers including Maori (and of course Pakeha and immigrants).

Yes we have some ideas in terms of the “radicalisation” of public services (funded by the taxpayer) or more control of public entities by un-elected Maori tribal representatives. (And what happens if there are conflicts between tribes within an area but only one tribe is represented? This is a real issue amongst Maoridom – there is no unified voice)!

But what else and what does it mean to the joe average Maori (and Pakeha) in the street? Especially those that don’t follow politics and only hear Labour led sympathetic-MSM talking points denigrating the coalition and believe them?

Suggest if ACT can articulate this better they may get more support from the “people”. Especially once they realise they will NOT benefit from Labour/Green/TPM/MSM/radical activists wanting more control.

(Does anyone have any suggestions? Asking to get the ball rolling)!
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February 7, 2024 8:40am
- Damocles11
  
  We should be marching in the streets against separatism & the corrupt media. But the Left are organised and outraged, while we are controlled and complacent.
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:00am
- pdm
  
  `(Does anyone have any suggestions? Asking to get the ball rolling)!’
  
  If ACT can get the Treaty Principles Bill to Select Committee then I think the public support will be over whelming – 90/95% supporting the Bill and a Referendum. Including a lot of Maori.
  
  Even more support than the 90 odd% that Mahuta chucked in the bin re 3/5/10/AllWaters.
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:12am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump not immune.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/appeals-court-rules-trump-presidential-immunity-2020-election-interfer-rcna133234

In my mind this leaves Biden wide open to indictment on all sorts of things (use google)
The Courts and pricks like Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg, Leticia James, are wasting their time. When Trump wins they will be toast – and on top Trump will just pardon himself!
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February 7, 2024 8:44am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Not a surprise. I figured this was where it was heading when I wrote about it a week ago
  
  Given the ramifications I reckon it’s headed to the Supreme Court, although the cat is out of the bag anyway, since about half of America will be outraged whichever way the decision goes, as former SDNY prosecutor Andrew McCarthy pointed out in looking back at internal discussions with the Bush Administration early in 2001 regarding Clinton’s last-second pardons:
  
  It is not that Clinton’s eleventh-hour pardons of Rich, a couple of Marxist domestic terrorists, his brother Roger, a member of his cabinet, and sundry rogue characters were not a historically shameful episode. It is not that some of the pardons, Rich in particular, did not smack of a quid pro quo – grist for an indictment when the perp is someone other than the president of the United States.
  
  No, it is that on balance, the nation is better served by avoiding the banana-republic corruption of the governing system that would happen if we normalized the prosecution of former presidents. And it is that, when the chief executive acts within the ambit of his executive authority – as a president undeniably does when issuing a pardon – subordinate executive officials, prosecutors, have no business, post facto, trying to turn the official act into a crime by reading the former president’s mind and finding corrupt intent.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:51am
  - RoboRob
    
    Well said. It’s what I am, poorly, trying to say below.
    
    Funny how even making the point that you don’t think this sort of action is good for a country lands you in down tick territory amongst those that do or don’t like Trump. People need to think about the broader implications not just whether they do or don’t like Trump. As I said most modern day presidents could be bought up on charges if one wanted to.
    
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    February 7, 2024 11:41am
  - RoboRob
    
    Just read your link, nice work.
    
    Funnily you quote Noam Chomsky who makes almost exatly the same point I try to make lower, with the same example. Me thinks I may have read that before.
    
    Turning to the merits, if I may, Your Honor, to authorize the prosecution of a president for his official acts would open a Pandora’s box from which this nation may never recover. Could George W. Bush be prosecuted for obstruction of an official proceeding for allegedly giving false information to Congress to induce the nation to go to war in Iraq under false pretenses? Could President Obama be potentially charged with murder for allegedly authorizing drone strikes, targeting US citizens located abroad?
    
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    February 7, 2024 11:55am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Thanks Rob. Comments appreciated.
      
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      February 7, 2024 6:51pm
- RoboRob
  
  The DC courts were always going to find against Trump. On this particular issue I don’t think Trumps legal team did themselves any favours.
  
  The Dems are crazy to fight to remove Presidential immunity, as you say. The concept of being able to charge a president for actions they did during their term opens up a huge can of worms. For example Bush could be done for starting a war on known false information (Iraq war / WMDs) or Obama could be done for murder (drone attacks on ‘civilians’ without due process). Hell even Biden could get done for something like freezing student loan repayments knowing that it was illegal and he didn’t have the power to do so (he publicly said it at the time).
  
  The TDS has blinded people (left and right) to the pitfalls of opening various cans of worms up. Are we now going to see a process where every change of government is followed by multiple legal cases against the former President. A very sad situation.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:53am
  - Its only I
    
    What has TDS got to do with the constitution?
    
    Read the ruling, your boy pushed his luck and lost.
    He has a week to go up in courts a delay it a bit longer. Unfortunately for Trump republicans are already supplying the US supreme court with highlighted documents supporting the ruling.
    
    Jefferson Davis…..look him up.
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:40am
    - RoboRob
      
      1) He’s not my boy 🙂
      
      2) I said I expected him to lose. That said, I expect he would lose any case bought against him in DC court. The same as he loses / will lose all cases in NY state. He will have to fight them all on appeal.
      
      3) My general points about actions of Anti Trumpers remain. By acting this way they encourage others to act this way to future presidents. Which I think is a bad thing in general. I might not like Joe Biden but I don’t necessarily want to see him dragged through the courts post presidency
      
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      February 7, 2024 11:37am
      - Its only I
        
        Anti Trumpers are a growing thing within the GOP.
        
        Trump over party and Trump over country is hurting the GOP.
        
        The fact so many are scared to question the orange fascist in fear of severe retribution should be enough on its own…or look at the border farce. Most of those rednecks “protecting” the border are fighting each other over who is the most tarded of trump supporter…the rest have woken up to the cynical maga manipulation.
        
        At least KB just has the cancel culture down tick rather than a TrumpTard calling me and threatening my life…
        
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        February 7, 2024 12:47pm
      - RoboRob
        
        @Its only I
        
        Again, I am talking about the concept of charging ex presidents for their actions while president. I am not debating Trump bad or Trump good. You are kind of making my, ‘people only focused on Trump not the bigger picture’ point for me 🙂
        
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        February 7, 2024 1:47pm
      - Its only I
        
        Rob your suggesting the republican nominated judges are corrupt simply because its Trump.
        
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        February 7, 2024 5:30pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Robo,
    
    Presidents have immunity for official acts taken in their role as President. So your Bush & Obama examples are immune from prosecution.
    
    But they do *not* have blanket immunity for any and all acts, such as acts they take as a private citizen.
    
    For example, just because you are the President that doesn’t mean you can rob a bank and claim legal immunity … because robbing banks is clearly not part of the official role of the President.
    
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    February 7, 2024 4:31pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Actually thats the point in question, it is not clear the level of immunity they have. Also remember its not like they can do what they want, there is the process of impeachment to deal with presidents doing bad things.
      
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      February 8, 2024 8:53am
- MCōs
  
  America may or may not consider their own president above the law, but certainly don’t extend the curtesy to other countries
  
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  February 7, 2024 1:08pm
- virtualmark
  
  Shrug. DC Appeals Court says the Magna Carta still applies, even in the United States.
  
  Presidents still have immunity for official acts performed in their capacity as President of the United States.
  
  But this just affirms the common sense legal view that Presidents do not have immunity for acts made in their private capacity as citizens. All the Jan 6 stuff relates to Trump acting in his capacity as a Candidate for President, not as POTUS. Similarly, if Trump were to have shot someone in Times Square while he was President that would not be covered by Presidential immunity.
  
  Prediction: SCOTUS will decline to hear this case. Trump will appeal to them, but they will deny cert.
  
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  February 7, 2024 3:31pm
Maggie Pie

OMG! One can only imagine how Cookie must have felt when he landed in the B.o.I.
and found himself confronted by something like this 😎

Poor David…..

https://twitter.com/bobble05132522/status/1754426964558176256
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February 7, 2024 8:44am
- Clyde
  
  And this is the sort of shit that we as a country are supposed to show respect for?
  
  The penis flapping, brown-eye antics of idiots are supposed to represent New Zealand? Well, they don’t represent me. At all. Ever.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:56am
- Gravelroad
  
  No worries – indecent exposure is “cultural”.
  It becomes the story when those indulging in it have nothing worthwhile to talk about.
  Look at me, look at me, look at me.
  I’ve got a big dick. But nothing else.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:00am
  - Clyde
    
    Probably why little Willie Jackson was not in the front row.
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:06am
  - Ehlana
    
    I’ve got … or I am?
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:12am
  - pdm
    
    gravel – didn’t look that big as it didn’t take much twink to blank it out of the tweet.
    
    Definitely not – `as long as his arm or as thick as his wrist and no knob on the end as big as his fist.
    
    More a teeny, weeney, maori activist peeni!!
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:17am
- lifesgood
  
  He should have laughed and said “If that was mine I’d be too embarrassed to show it”
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:38am
- kowtow
  
  Thing is that NZME ‘s Wilson has opined that this “special day shows PM this is us ”
  What a bunch of perverted rude nasties ,
  and the other NZME report on the proceedings up there under the headline “Tension at Waitangi focusses on Seymour ” fails to mention this at all .
  
  yet another bigly case of NZME self censorship. coming hard on the heels of their report of P henare’s bugle call where they omitted to report the gun.
  
  We are very badly served by a very self serving so called fourth estate.
  
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  February 7, 2024 2:58pm
- Drone
  
  Maggs you’re talking about sailors after six months at sea, they probably though that all their Sundays had come at once..
  
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  February 7, 2024 3:25pm
- Nobby2
  
  David Seymour did not take a step backwards and stared down the 8 or 9 maniacal, shouting, tongue poking, weapon carrying challengers who thought they could intimidate him. His response to them was a more powerful challenge to them than theirs was to him. Bullies don’t like to be confronted.
  
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  February 7, 2024 4:17pm
Notsofast

The New York Times is switching sides on the evil of gender ideology.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html

Significant, New Zealand parliamentarians should be informed they can crawl out from under the rock and see some daylight.
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February 7, 2024 8:58am
- Notsofast
  
  Only Simon Bridges from the Select Committee tried to vote down the hideous conversion bill that mandates sterilizing gay children if they ask for it:
  
  From the article:
  
  Gay men and women often told me they fear that same-sex-attracted kids, especially effeminate boys and tomboy girls who are gender nonconforming, will be transitioned during a normal phase of childhood and before sexual maturation — and that gender ideology can mask and even abet homophobia.
  
  As one detransitioned man, now in a gay relationship, put it, “I was a gay man pumped up to look like a woman and dated a lesbian who was pumped up to look like a man. If that’s not conversion therapy, I don’t know what is.”
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:03am
I remember when

It continues to amaze me that Missionary Williams after living among the Maori people for 17 years had less understanding of their view of sovereignty than today’s general public.
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February 7, 2024 8:59am
Suze Wainwright

Why do so many leftie feministas (including apparent green ones as well as common, garden variety Labour) insist on wearing Dr Martens feet attire?

Does fashion and brand visibility really trump the concerns of unsustainable leather consumption as well as questionable child Labour manufacturing practices?
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February 7, 2024 9:03am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Its simple… it gives them the masculine touch and is a sign they are standing up to the patriarchy…
  
  Originate among the females in to Punk Rock and followed naturally in to the Uni class (as we know most rebels come from comfy middle class families who attend higher education and convince themselves they have the real Truth, man)
  
  Uni class chicks in Welly go in to either Arts industry, journalism or Government jobs – with a few into BS jobs in Advertising/PR. And they take their crap rebel fashion statements with them…
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:58am
- greybeard
  
  They are easy to shoplift.
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:30am
- Burtland
  
  I hear the enthusiasm wears off pretty quickly once the blisters appear
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:31am
- Jake Dee
  
  It’s faux working-class chic.
  The original Doctor Martin wanted tough but comfortable boots for workers. The used to have on them “oil, acid and alkali proof”. They came into the punk and alternative scene in the late 70s early 80s, which is I guess about the last time that actual factory workers went to gigs still wearing their work boots. Also, if you have the steel toe versions you have a rather useful concealed weapon for street fights.
  Alexi Sayle did a comedy bit and song about how radically hip Doc Martins had become way back in 1982.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfMy1V7Ma8E
  Levi Strauss’ Blue Jeans have a similar cultural history. Radical lefties like to look working class, but don’t want to do any actual work.
  
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  February 7, 2024 8:56pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Alexi Sayle’s take on Dr Maarten’s boots
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bZy7vEWeTFY
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:16pm
I remember when

Breaking News: Taylor Swift breaks record at the Grammy Awards: NY Times.

Those who remember the 50s and 60s still know many of the words from their favourite songs.
The stars constantly changed, often from week to week.
Now the same people seem to win the same awards year after year.
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February 7, 2024 9:06am
- Damocles11
  
  The hysteria and hype surrounding her is truly weird. Bland songs and an average voice.
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:07am
  - MCōs
    
    Grumpy old curmudgeons used to say exactly that about the Beatles when they where top of the pops
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:46am
    - Damocles11
      
      They wrote their own songs & played instruments. She writes lyrics and sings. But if you like her music and buy her albums then good for you.
      
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      February 7, 2024 10:54am
      - Burtland
        
        or even better – buy the albums twice – shes re-releasing them to regain ownership
        
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        February 7, 2024 11:59am
      - lifesgood
        
        Surely no grown, intelligent adult would like the music of Taylor Swift? I mean, come on, she is for kids.
        
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        February 7, 2024 12:13pm
      - MCōs
        
        That’s the nature of pop music
        Back in the good old days Herman’s Hermits sold more records with songs like “A Must to Avoid” than Bob Dylan who won the Nobel Prize for literature
        
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        February 7, 2024 1:50pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      There is no way a Taylor Swift or anyone like her is going to have the same cultural impact as The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Elvis or anyone like them.
      It’s not just that the culture has changed, the whole means of cultural production and distribution has radically shifted.
      
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      February 7, 2024 9:04pm
Matt Long

Dutch government still planning to essentially SEIZE 3000 farms to meet 2030 climate goals.
The farmer protests continue in Europe.
Here they’re using the RMA and subsidies for overseas corporates to achieve the same aim.
https://x.com/PeterSweden7/status/1754885065086038163?s=20
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February 7, 2024 9:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Obvious the Dutch Govt don’t need to be fed their own produce, and will import it.
  Just like Indonesian coal.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:31am
  - Burtland
    
    Its an easy way to offshore carbon emissions
    
    You write into your supplier agreements that they must meet CarbonZero/Paris
    – Nestlé do this with Fonterra, Fonterra then get NZ subsidies to drop coal drying. So the NZ public pay for Nestles carbon reduction.
    
    The same is going on with EU and British FTAs. They even include maori business quotas.
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:46am
- Matt Long
  
  Another 1800 Ha of Northland farmland going under pines.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/overseas-company-kauri-forestry-lp-spends-25m-on-1800ha-of-northland-farmland-to-convert-to-forestry/FLLZCUWABZAK5BFIBPYVH73MPI/
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:48am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Trees expel less O2 per sqm than grass. An acre of full canopy trees produces less O2 than an acre of grass. And pine trees wreck the soil.
    
    Not only does 50% of the O2, converted from CO2, stay in the tree, but trees and forests invite tree dwellers – insect and microorganisms that live on O2.
    
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    February 7, 2024 12:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ok, forget planting trees – plant grass.
      Oh wait, not that kind of grass, Northland already has that market.
      
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      February 7, 2024 5:19pm
bennerg

Just watched a recording of last night’s Seven Sharp on TV One, with a piece on the Treaty and related events.

Right now I’m trying to work out how such a one-sided piece of propaganda can be put out by the Government owned media organisation. This is so obvious now, the blatant rewriting of history.

Small points like, they said the Treaty was written (omitting to say drafted in English), and then translated (again omitting to say into Maori). Then claiming that the definitive version was the Maori version. Then claiming that some of the Maori words meant different things. eg what sovereignty meant. Again not mentioning that especially at that time, the Maori language had limited vocabulary, which related primarily to their culture, and so lacked the subtlety of the far more comprehensive English language.

In any research on provenance in any area of endeavour, it is the original version that is definitive, and that plainly is the English version.

OK, there’s much, much more to critique, but that is not the purpose of this post. What is to be seen here is the total bias in the reporting. Where was the representative of Hobson’s Pledge, or other historian that could elucidate these simple and plainly obvious points above?

Where was there mention of the New Zealand Constitution Act 1852 set up New Zealand’s parliamentary system, based on the Westminster model. No mention of the 1860 Kohimarama conference that reaffirmed the Treaty of Waitangi, and how the system of Government was to work for Maori. The Minutes of that meeting, indicate that the explanation provided by Governor Grey was “loudly applauded by the Chiefs”.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/parliamentary/AJHR1860-I.2.1.6.19/1
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February 7, 2024 9:47am
- BeaB
  
  And no recognition of that fact that, whatever the treaties and assemblies, the settlers won the fight and Māori had to enter the modern world. They ruled by conquest too so would have fully understood they were up against a superior power.
  Now we all live in modern NZ. The Treaty is as irrelevant to most of us as the Treaty of Versailles.
  Luxon is right. W e now have to look ahead to what kind of future we want and get on with it.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I disagree. We have to clean up the past history lies, or those lies will be with us as long as the Waitangi Tribunal exists.
    Tell me I am wrong. The Waitangi Tribunal was set up to extract money from the Net Taxpayer. All started in 1975.
    Tell me I am wrong – please.
    
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    February 7, 2024 5:25pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      Have you seen this one?
      https://theconversation.com/waitangi-day-2024-5-myths-and-misconceptions-that-confuse-the-treaty-debate-221973
      
      Here’s a killer line,
      “Yet since the 1970s we’ve been faced with the paradoxical situation of a growing body of Treaty scholarship that has led to less consensus about its meaning and purpose”.
      
      It’s only a paradox if you believe that the purpose of the scholarship was to produce a consensus of meaning and purpose. All scholarship, all perception, indeed all human action is motivated. For the last couple of generations left wing scholarship has sought to get behind the motivations of language, law and social norms. Now we can do the same and get behind the motivations of this left wing “scholarship”.
      Which I guess will become an endlessly self-referential circle but there’s nothing new about that,
      
      “Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh”.
      Ecclesiastes 12:12
      
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      February 7, 2024 9:30pm
- RoboRob
  
  Sadly people think that shows by comedians are ‘news’ sources. All around the world people get their ‘news’ from shows like 7 sharp, 7 days, NZ today and in the US the daily show or the view.
  
  The bias is bad enough in the actual news shows without subjecting yourself to ‘comedians’ viewpoints.
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You missed out TV1 Breakfast – the NZ version of ‘The View.”
    
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    February 7, 2024 5:26pm
- Burtland
  
  You need to watch the Tamati Rīmene-Sproat Waitangi special that followed … disingenuous, mis/dis information, propaganda
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/hongi-to-hangi-and-everything-in-between/episodes/s2-e3
  
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  February 7, 2024 11:15am
  - newview
    
    I watched it till I couldn’t. Maori want a partnership but I didn’t see any white NZrs with an opposing view being interviewed. A one sided piece of propaganda under the guise of lite entertainment. We are mates so long as this thing is interpreted our way.
    
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    February 7, 2024 11:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Most Whities have 1/2048 at least?
      
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      February 7, 2024 5:36pm
Tauhei Notts

This morning’s dairy commodity market looks good.
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February 7, 2024 9:49am
- Jethrod
  
  That is the first positive news in this, today’s offering.
  
  Don’t tell me this was meant to be sarc!
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:15am
Maggie Pie

First I’ve heard of it, but lot’s of tweeters posting that the $500k contributed to Dame Jacinda to remain as ‘Special-Envoy-for-the-Christchurch-Call’…..was really just a way of channeling taxpayer funds to ensure she was able to finance her personal Security Detail while in New Zealand?

This is brilliant from Cranmer 😀

Luxon’s Christchurch ‘Call Girl’

https://twitter.com/CranmerWrites/status/1677826095771697153
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February 7, 2024 9:52am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEYQIS5UMiM
Liberal Media Triggered over Massive Populist Win!
This guy literally saved his country. I’m not surprised President Bukele received this historic landslide support from the people of El Salvador. He built a huge prison for gangbangers. Crime has dropped dramatically. Good thing El Salvador doesn’t use Dominion voting machines or his opponent would have gotten 81 million votes. [He’s a nationalist-populist. So ‘democracy’ is at risk. //]
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February 7, 2024 10:00am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlns_3TN85Y
Geert Wilders Warns Islamic, Arab Preachers for Issuing Fatwas | Dutch PM says “Not afraid of Imams”.
Netherlands’ future Prime Minister Geert Wilders faces multiple fatwas for his anti-Islam views, living under protection. He received fatwas from Pakistan and Arab Imams, yet remains unafraid. Wilders pledged “No Islamic schools, Qurans, and mosques” and outlined a 5-step anti-radicalization plan. His controversial remarks led to protests, while anti-Turkey sentiments stirred controversies. The Party for Freedom, led by Wilders, won 37 seats, positioning him to succeed Rutte. However, coalition partners are wary of his policy pledges, considering them unconstitutional.
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February 7, 2024 10:00am
- Swifty
  
  Islam really is the slowest kid in the class.
  
  Wilders warns of the dangers of radical Islam and immediately Islamic leaders call for him to be killed.
  
  I’ll say one thing for them though, it’s great that they do this so openly – so we can all see them for who they really are – stuck forever in the 7th Century.
  
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  February 7, 2024 11:05am
  - cmm
    
    Slow maybe, but not above thumping the other kids and stealing their lunch money.
    And that is really the problem – being incompatible with a civilised society.
    
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    February 7, 2024 11:39am
bennerg

On another track, I recently started to review my online security privacy issues, given that I am generally aware that much of what we do online is tracked, and that data is them aggregated, analysed, packaged, and onsold to various other parties.

I am also aware of the real-time monitoring of our activities on social media, especially Facebook, Messenger etc. About 8 years ago while on an overseas trip under the auspices of Trade & Industry, one of the other companies was selling their software expertise with a product that hooked into Facebook’s back end. This could be set up with key words to watch for. The demonstration they had was quite something. Given the relationship now between governments and the likes of Facebook, I’m quite sure there is a profile now, with not only our government, on each of us, with all our postings analysed and categorised.

So how is this information used? For elections I’m sure it is critical, and especially this year for the USA elections, he who masters this will have a better chance of winning.

I guess after 35 years of being online, I’m now way past worrying, but in case you do want to limit your exposure to prying eyes, here as good review of what you can do in just under 20mins.

Your Secret Power Over Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F26U1fvxhjE
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February 7, 2024 10:12am
thirteenstars

Brought to my attention by Sean Plunket on his Platform show this morning where TVNZ Sunday reporter, Kristin Hall, made a racist/ageist social media post over the weekend, which she subsequently deleted excusing it as a joke, but a screen shot was preserved:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFoKuK8b0AAcKss?format=jpg&name=small

Plunket: “I would simply ask what TVNZ’s code of conduct is for reporting staff and their social media use.”

Indeed. But this is just a taste of the nasty activist mentality which lives within the dark woke heart of NZ publicly-funded media.

Here’s a post from Hall, November last year, about the coalition’s intent to require English names and speech in government agencies:

If Winston Peters thinks his threats about use of te reo in media are going to do anything other than increase use of te reo in media, then he doesn’t really understand journalists

https://x.com/kristinhallNZ/status/1729216538589487374?s=20

Many have noticed the strong increase in the use of Maori by public broadcasters since the election, so there you have it. Not your imagination because it’s actual policy.
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February 7, 2024 10:14am
- rouppe
  
  And because of that it will be interesting to see viewership numbers.
  
  I used to be an avid 6pm news watcher. Now I hardly bother, and prefer to spend the time in the sun outside.
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:50am
  - graham
    
    rouppe, my wife follows the news closely and grew up in London reading the newspapers and watching the news, at a time when the Internet was in its infancy.
    
    She still watches the news at 6, but more out of habit these days. The vast majority of her news is consumed online, and when we watch the news in the evening she will comment about articles that she read about TWO DAYS ago. She is far better informed about what’s going on in the world from the half-hour or so she spends reading the news online in the morning than she could possibly hope to be if she relied on 1 News.
    
    Thanks to technology we simply skip over an ever-increasing proportion of the childish twaddle that masquerades as news on TV1. We completely ignored all the ‘reporting’ on Waitangi Day, and prefer to check the weather online rather than trying to comprehend Te Rauhiringa Brown (who I’m sure has the best of intentions, but good intentions are somewhat meaningless if viewers who are trying to understand the weather report are left utterly baffled because they simply cannot follow it).
    
    Does anybody think that one day TV1 will realise there’s this thing out there called The Internet that offers far more choice and up-to-date news than they can ever hope to match?
    
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    February 7, 2024 12:13pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      Nope. They will only desist when a government has the guts to cancel them.
      
      Public broadcasting was dead years ago. It’s only now folks can smell the rotting corpse yet like a zombie it keeps on shuffling around looking for new victims to infect.
      
      Sell it off, that is if it’s even worth the trouble.
      
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      February 7, 2024 6:21pm
- Inandout
  
  thirteen, Sky Oz, Fox, GB News etc. don’t spout te reo and I am glad.
  
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  February 7, 2024 10:56am
- lifesgood
  
  That’s one ugly looking pooch, no wonder people look at it funny
  
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  February 7, 2024 12:17pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    She might get funny (wary) looks from people with small dogs when her mongrel is off the leash on a public beach.
    
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    February 7, 2024 1:29pm
    - HeatherW
      
      I’m one of those Pakeha Boomers that she so disparaged. Except both my dogs are bigger than her one – the three year old mixed breed is twice as wide.
      Unlike this “journalist” I find no joy in the expressed fear of others. Though watching scary-looking gang members try to out death-stare my gentle giant can be “interesting”.
      
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      February 7, 2024 5:23pm
Chris Nisbet

Add your support for the Treaty Principles bill here…
https://www.treaty.nz/
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February 7, 2024 10:56am
- Piniwi
  
  Cheers that was easy to add and support.
  
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  February 7, 2024 12:43pm
- Grunter
  
  Done.
  
  The way ACT/Seymour explains this, along with the FAQ’s is a great template to take on TPM/Greens/Labour zealots on this emotional debate.
  
  Also a very good way to answer the Nats regards their insistence that it is a partnerships (which is obvious BS). Here is ACT’s response, or part of their response….
  
  “The term “partnership” does not appear in the Treaty of Waitangi. The partnership concept is a recent invention of the courts.
  
  The concept of “partnership” was given force in 1986 when Parliament, with very little debate, included undefined “principles of the Treaty of Waitangi” in the State-Owned Enterprises Act.
  
  The Court of Appeal then interpreted this in 1987, writing that the Treaty “signified a partnership between Pākehā and Māori requiring each other to act towards the other reasonably and with the utmost good faith”. This definition of “partnership” was relatively restrained, but was a seed for later interpretations that expanded the concept without democratic input.”
  
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  February 7, 2024 1:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kristi Noem for VP?

https://unmuzzlednews.com/kristi-noem-just-exposed-a-cnn-deception-that-has-some-putting-her-atop-trumps-shortlist-for-vice-president/?
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February 7, 2024 11:04am
- NothingLeft
  
  https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2024/republican-vp-nominee
  
  Kristi Noem, Elise Stefanik and Vivek Ramaswamy are top contenders. Kristi seems likely to tap into female demographic. I’d like Vivek as a smart hard worker who seems sensible and less-establishment, or Tulsi Gabbard as an ethical centrist to pull in swing voters.
  
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  February 7, 2024 3:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/was-brian-tamaki-right-with-his-evaluation-of-waitangi-day-you-decide/
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February 7, 2024 11:11am
Taieri

The miraculous recovery of teachers at Rangiora High School:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/canterbury-high-school-reopens-after-covid-outbreak

They all had Covid on Monday. Come Wednesday, all have recovered. Jesus lives, OK!
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February 7, 2024 11:25am
- cmm
  
  And all the KB naysayers tell us the vax doesn’t work!
  
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  February 7, 2024 11:33am
- Ghost
  
  They got covid from a teachers only day on 29 and 31st of January, so a week down with covid
  
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  February 7, 2024 11:33am
  - cmm
    
    Unless they were swapping body fluids at the teacher’s only day, it is challenging to accept that around 30% got infected.
    
    More like 10% of them got infected and the rest saw a chance.
    
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    February 7, 2024 11:50am
    - Ghost
      
      Maybe if the school had done this before but as the articles show the school remained opened in 2022 when others were closing for covid.
      
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      February 7, 2024 12:12pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      And were said “infections”, actual symptoms or positive indications on the RAT test? The RAT test is less reliable than the MET office, and in any case only tests for the flu, and even then, remnants of the flu.
      
      You could have better success in testing for “Covid” by reading Tarot Cards.
      
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      February 7, 2024 12:19pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Let’s get it on while no children here?
      Yep.
      
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      February 7, 2024 5:42pm
- JackRabbit
  
  It is well known that Covid is a tricky little AI virus.
  
  It likes to attack before work days that come just before or after public holidays; Melbourne Trotting Cup day; local A&P Show week; etc.
  
  It is also very cunning in that it will strike the night before, and cause said victim to phone in or email in sick, but then leave the body the next morning, so that said victim can go out.
  
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  February 7, 2024 11:42am
Maggie Pie

One of my tennis besties is South African.
They arrived here about 8 years ago from Joberg concerned for their children’s future. Twin girls at St Cuths now. Her hubby is a Diamond Dealer and she’s a qualified Beautician. A nicer family you wouldn’t meet.

It’s crazy that sooo many people like this are being driven out of their home country.
She was saying SA is a total cot-case under Black rule. The government is driving out entrepreneurs like them to their own detriment.
She just re-tweeted this to show the current state of the dump.
A black judge has ruled that singing…. “Kill the Boer – Kill the Farmer” is NOT hate speech!
They hold grave fears for family members who remain there.
From what she was saying, it appears the black population simply don’t understand that without Farmers, there is NO FOOD!!

https://twitter.com/ZANewsFlash/status/1754144102550032779

We could certainly do with a lot more wonderful citizens like them here.
They contribute so much to our society.
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February 7, 2024 11:40am
- JackRabbit
  
  She was saying SA is a total cot-case under Black rule
  
  Black Rock rule.
  
  https://www.blackrock.com/za/individual/blackrock-in-south-africa
  https://www.reuters.com/article/safrica-discovery-ltd-idINL4N2ZY32O/
  https://www.aveva.com/en/perspectives/success-stories/brmo/
  https://www.miningweekly.com/print-version/black-rock-mine-andgloriamodernisation-projects-south-africa-update-2023-09-08
  
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  February 7, 2024 11:46am
- cmm
  
  The “Kill the Boer” song actually refers to Afrikaners – not farmers, or white people in general, but specifically Afrikaners.
  
  The ANC “liberation” song was originally sung in Xhosa and speaks of amaBulu (Zulus and Xhosa can’t say the “r” sound, so the Boer becomes bulu, then to fit in with the grammar amaBulu).
  
  amaBulu are specifically Afrikaners. Whites in general are abelungu (the white foam that blows from the sea).
  
  The “Kill the Boer, Kill the farmer” is a modern interpretation by the EFF people who come from the Northern parts of South Africa inhabited by the Venda and similar tribes who can say the “r” sound.
  
  I don’t think SA is a cot case any more. The cot got stolen long ago:
  https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2019-05-06-watch-here-is-our-tax-money-video-shows-new-hospital-beds-in-disuse-at-bara/
  
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  February 7, 2024 12:05pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, many of our tins of fruit have ‘packed in South Africa’ and this is a worry about who actually does quality control in that country. I think buying Watties may be the answer and just bite the extra cost.
  
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  February 7, 2024 12:36pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Mind you, I’d sooner see that on the tin than…. ‘Product of Chynah’ 🙁
    
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    February 7, 2024 1:00pm
    - Inandout
      
      NW has a line of pears made in Chynah and some people actually eat that crap.
      
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      February 7, 2024 1:57pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Yes I no!
        They sub Watties Asparagus Spears for ‘Golden Sun’ brand
        on my clik & collect oprder once.
        My partner reckoned it taste like binder twine 🙁
        Just binned it.
        
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        February 7, 2024 2:38pm
  - cmm
    
    Those fruit companies are not run by the government, so they’re generally pretty functional still.
    
    A lot of this stuff will probably be rebranded Koo products.
    https://www.koo.co.za/products/Fruit
    
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    February 7, 2024 2:01pm
- Grunter
  
  Socialism ALWAYS FAILS.
  
  SA just another example, this time with reverse-racism mixed in (kinda sounds familiar….)
  
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  February 7, 2024 1:29pm
- Local Miller
  
  I’ve just come back from a few weeks in SA visiting family and friends, and doing some site seeing. As cmm says, the cot’s been stolen.
  
  While there are still some amazing places (Victoria Waterfront, Table mountain, Bolders and Penguin colony, some gated communities, etc. The contrast between what’s good and what’s bad is massive. Anything privately owned or run is doing generally well, but anything state of local government run is a disaster. The exception to this is significant tourist attractions like Table Mountain and the Cable way.
  I left SA ~18 years ago, and this is my second time back since then. On balance, coming to NZ was the best decision we made.
  
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  February 7, 2024 2:52pm
  - cmm
    
    Hi Local
    
    I left SA in 1992 and have never been back.
    
    I think the only bit I miss on occasions is Cape Town where I went to university (1980-83), then lived (1988-92). The area from Wynberg to UCT is fantastically beautiful and UCT must be the most spectacular university setting in the world.
    
    But from what I have heard, even Cape Town has deteriorated significantly, so probably visiting my 1992 memories is far better than visiting in person.
    
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    February 7, 2024 3:07pm
greybeard

I see that Tarrant is being described as a “terrorist”.
Surely the correct designation is “mass murderer” ?
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February 7, 2024 12:03pm
- cmm
  
  Both.
  
  He got done for both terrorism and murder:
  https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/assets/cases/R-v-Tarrant-sentencing-remarks-20200827.pdf
  
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  February 7, 2024 12:06pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Grey,
  
  He’s not a terrorist. He’s a nut who was permitted to buy guns and ammunition under regulations put forward by adern.
  If he’s a terrorist then how do we define her?
  
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  February 7, 2024 12:47pm
  - MCōs
    
    Of course he’s a terrorist
    Get a grip
    
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    February 7, 2024 5:44pm
Burtland

Seems Mike Smith -Ngāpuhi and Ngāti Kahu – is taking Fonterra, Z Energy, Genesis, Dairy Holdings, New Zealand Steel, Channel Infrastructure, and BT Mining to court for damaging the planet by emitting heating gases.

Case seems to hang on tikanga Māori, and how it determines Smith’s relationship to coastal land and waters which are being flooded and damaged.

Wonder whos paying for this?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/508553/iwi-leader-mike-smith-gets-his-day-in-court-against-seven-major-emitters
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February 7, 2024 12:15pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Causation may be an issue.
  First what coastal land and waters are being flooded and damaged.
  Second is that flooding and damage caused by climate change caused by human kind or is it caused in whole or in part by climatic change inherent in the ecosystem we inhabit.
  Third if it is caused by human kind to what extent?
  Fourt, to what extent have the defendants in this claim contributed to that damage?
  Questions questions questions.
  
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  February 7, 2024 1:08pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Well, the PM, the opposition, and One News (actually, all legacy media) are on his side.
    
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    February 7, 2024 4:29pm
- Paulus
  
  Why ask, as you know that Taxpayers will fund this fiasco !
  
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  February 7, 2024 1:49pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Why do people’s brains turn to mush when it comes to “Climate Change!”?
  E.g. The Supreme Court has this to say…
  “It cited the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s findings that “as the planet continues to warm, climate change risks ‘will become increasingly complex and more difficult to manage'”.
  
  That isn’t a “finding” – it’s a claim, or a prediction. It’s not a fact.
  Then there’s the repeated false claim that CO2 is pollution. It’s as much pollution as oxygen or water are – too much of that stuff will kill you too, but we don’t call it pollution, do we? CO2 is the giver of life on this planet, and to date, the increased CO2 in the atmosphere has been _beneficial_ to plant life on the planet.
  
  Having said that, Mike would seem to have a reasonable chance of winning – it appears that any and all rationality is missing from everybody involved in the case.
  Friggin’ insanity!
  
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  February 7, 2024 5:00pm
- rouppe
  
  Sea levels rose 120m well before industrialisation. So is the latest cm significant in those terms? Can he prove it wouldn’t have happened anyway? What did Ngapuhi do about the sea level rise since 1200AD? Is it not reasonable to continue to do now what was required from then?
  
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  February 7, 2024 5:21pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Will any of those questions be asked in the case? Will he have to prove damages, or will IPCC “findings” be sufficient?
    
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    February 7, 2024 5:42pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  But doesnt Mike Smith cut down tress? Its the same M Smith of One tree Hill fame is it not?
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:08pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  To ask the question is to answer it, Burt
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:29pm
imalwaysright

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4451355-tucker-carlson-vladimir-putin-interview/

Should be interesting to get an alternate view.
Can’t see the Ukrainian on many Christmas card lists this year.
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February 7, 2024 12:27pm
- mandk
  
  Alternative?
  
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  February 7, 2024 1:21pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Shoot him
    
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    February 7, 2024 1:37pm
Maggie Pie

People with knowledge of the situation saying the DOJ will arrest Tucker the moment he arrives back in the US following his interview with Vlad.

Watch this space….
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February 7, 2024 12:44pm
- Colville
  
  He would love it.
  Freedom of speech and freedom of association…
  
  Biden wouldnt be so stupid…. Trump would roll into power defending him.
  
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  February 7, 2024 5:54pm
Sparrow

I am presently reading 1984 and these words struck me as applying to the attacks on free speach by certain groups we are experiencing.
” The new aristocracy was made up for the most part of bureaucrats, scientists, technicians,
trade union organisers, publicity experts, sociologists, teachers, journalists, and professional politicians.”
It goes on about the origins of this new aristocracy which are not fully applicable today. However Orwell’s next words are prophetic ” hungrier for pure power, and, above all, more conscious of what they were doing and more intent on crushing opposition.”
Do these words apply to the journalists, teachers ,bureaucrats, etc of today ?
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February 7, 2024 12:53pm
- Clyde
  
  I keep this book handy and re-read it when I need to be reminded how societies can be manipulated and controlled. It seems that the previous PM, Ardern was also a keen reader of the book. A key element in that control was the Ministry of Truth. Orwell saw it all coming and there are so many here in NZ today that won’t see what he described so well.
  
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  February 7, 2024 1:06pm
- NothingLeft
  
  In short the less productive sectors – heavily stocked with frustrated underachievers eager to upend and over-rule meritocracy/egalitarianism to put themselves at the top.
  
  A tale as old as empire.
  
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  February 7, 2024 1:20pm
- Jake Dee
  
  Congratulations Sparrow, no seriously well done. Now take that thought and try to track it both backwards and forwards through time.
  The journalists, bureaucrats, sociologists and trade unionists of Orwell’s time in the 1940s, the journalists, bureaucrats and lawyers of 1780s pre-revolutionary France, the bureaucrats and petty clerics of pre-reformation Europe and our bureaucrats, journalists, publicists and academics of today.
  Try to read the primary sources wherever possible.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:59pm
Unity

On another subject, why is there a big black band at the bottom of Kiwiblog’s postings? It’s very annoying.
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February 7, 2024 1:39pm
- RoboRob
  
  Probably to do with advertisments. I had to get an adblocker just so that I could read this site. I tried working with DPM to resolve the issue but just could’t get it working. I want DPM to get add revenue but this is so much better with an addblocker enabled !
  
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  February 7, 2024 2:22pm
- Ghost
  
  An advert that is either loading or failed to load
  
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  February 7, 2024 2:32pm
- Colville
  
  same.
  25% of my screen has a black block over it.
  Sucks balls.
  
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  February 7, 2024 6:06pm
Chuck Bird

This is not premium.

Act launches Treaty Principles referendum campaign to twist National’s arm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/act-launches-treaty-principles-referendum-campaign-to-twist-nationals-arm/JUJIBSVQANAVVIOTK3DXPNG62Y/
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February 7, 2024 1:49pm
- David Garrett
  
  Chuck: Good to see a number of comments highlighting the misinformation that ACT is seeking “to redefine the treaty” They are doing no such thing – they are attempting to establish just what these nebulous and ever changing “principles” are. No more, and no less.
  
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  February 7, 2024 4:36pm
- rouppe
  
  And “twist Nationals arm” is a bad metaphor. It suggests force and coercion, which Seymour isn’t doing.
  
  The lack of balance is clear
  
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  February 7, 2024 5:13pm
Maggie Pie

Stoked to see Paula read my GD post this morning on that horrible Lloyd Burr 😀

https://newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/paula-bennett-tells-off-lloyd-burr-for-giving-pm-christopher-luxon-hard-time-on-am.html

Good.On.Her. for calling out the lefty poofters bullsh*t. LOL!!
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February 7, 2024 1:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tucker Carlson to interview Putin, because Americans are not informed.
What do you expect with the commie media? Same in NZ.
Elon Musk has promised not to suppress or block the interview.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/tucker-carlson-claims-he-s-interviewing-vladimir-putin-because-americans-are-not-informed-about-the-war-in-ukraine-despite-paying-for-it-in-ways-they-don-t-understand/ar-BB1hSKTN?

Trump says he can stop the war in 24 hours. I believe him. He will just send a message to Zelenski and Putin “My office in 5 days in Hawaii, Singapore, Europe somewhere, or any Trump Tower, and we are going to negotiate and sort this”
Remember the respect thing Trump says. “You don’t have to like someone to respect them, and with that respect you gain respect in return.”
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February 7, 2024 2:44pm
- virtualmark
  
  Real reporters who ask Putin the hard questions get thrown in jail, not hosted at the Ritz.
  
  But Putin’s not going to do that to Tucker because he knows Tucker is a useful idiot propagandist who would never ask a hard question.
  
  Maybe Tucker should ask Putin why Evan Gershkovich and Alsu Kurmasheva are in Russian jails, given they’re two examples of US citizen journalists jailed for genuinely asking questions.
  
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  February 7, 2024 3:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    [Mod – unnecessary]
    
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    February 7, 2024 4:04pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Steve, you are part of the largest and most dangerous cult in human history. All for a lifelong con-man who wouldn’t let you within 100 metres of his presence. He wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire, so worshipping him like a cult member is pretty weird.
      
      But you go back to standing in front of the mirror practicing your Trump worship. “Dear Leader is strong and virtuous like a charging lion! He is very good at elephant!”. Carry on.
      
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      February 7, 2024 4:19pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Maybe he will and maybe Putin will tell them that they are both foreign agents and spies.
    US citizen, journalist and spy are hardly mutually exclusive categories.
    Kurmasheva was working for Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty, those are clearly funded by the American government which clearly makes her an American agent of some sort.
    Gershkovich was working for The Wall Street Journal, what do you think are the chances that the American Intelligence community has influence with the Wall Street Journal?
    The problem is you can’t prove that they are NOT spies/intelligence agents. You should at least maintain an open mind about the possibility.
    
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    February 7, 2024 10:17pm
- cmm
  
  Of course they aren’t informed. It is very seldom anyone is informed through MSM and official sources – especially during an event.
  
  Have a look at how 9/11 and Iraq were handled…. or the lead up to WW1 and WW2… or any other “crisis”. Bloody wall to wall lies.
  But this time we should believe the MSM, coz, ….
  
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  February 7, 2024 3:45pm
- virtualmark
  
  Of course Steve, what Tucker’s not telling you is that the reason he’s in Moscow is actually just that the Kremlin has cancelled its working from home policy and so now all employees have to turn up at the office.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:57pm
cmm

Cop say they don’t believe they have heard the full truth yet on Baby Ru’s murder.

Wow, promote that man to detective!

They further expect it will take many months to investigate.

Sure, take your time. Baby Ru isn’t in a hurry. He’s having an awesome time playing with his new best mates Chris and Cru.

It is shocking that we have not progressed at all in our abilities to deal with the worst scum in society. 18 years on and the Kahui cone of silence still works.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350170747/police-havent-heard-truth-yet-baby-ru-homicide
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February 7, 2024 3:34pm
- greybeard
  
  But Waitangi was a raging success.
  
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  February 7, 2024 3:53pm
- Swifty
  
  In NZ we have a right to silence.
  
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  February 7, 2024 6:23pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    And that’s great. But, why not convict & jail all three of them for conspiracy?
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:34pm
Maggie Pie

I’ll tell you what has been gaining legs around here….rumors that Simon Dallow has been mulling over getting a moko kauae on his chin.
Word is he has already agreed to wear a foot long Hei Tiki in place of a tie 😀

(Just checked on Ali Mau’s ‘X’ account to see if she’d mentioned anything, however her last post only refers to…. some nonce’s hairless butt cheeks)

https://twitter.com/Alisonmau/status/1715881652554264929
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February 7, 2024 4:08pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  He has the XY chromosome so he has to have the “Full Facial”.
  
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  February 7, 2024 4:48pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Did you see Mike Smith in the telly? He has a moko, but also a beard. All a bit like a fluffy fig leaf, really.
  
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  February 7, 2024 9:35pm
Damocles11

Luxon is just so weak. I can’t understand why he is letting the media pack run his government. Now at his latest stand up he has gone from ‘no commitment’ to supporting the referendum to “we will not be supporting it.” He just stands there like a mug letting people like Jenna Lynch speak to him like sh*t. The way Luxon has described Seymours bill – as ‘divisive’ and ‘unhelpful’ – has been a total breach of good faith. IMO Seymour has every right to withdraw from this government and we go back to the polls. I want a strong and principled PM, not a duplicitous corporate robot.
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February 7, 2024 4:34pm
- Ghost
  
  Luxon’s stance on this has remained the same through the campaign and to now. Its not national or nz first policy, they are free to give their views on it. Jezz, let’s not get to a point where people want political parties silenced from giving their views on policy. Do you see Seymour running around whinging about what Luxon is saying? No. He knows he has to do the work to get this any further. He has to convince the country that this bill is needed before anything can happen.
  
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  February 7, 2024 4:47pm
Maggie Pie

SCRAPPED!!

Last year Labor spent $7,000,000 of taxpayers monet on ‘S27 Cultural Reports’

– Paul Goldsmith.

There HAS TO BE a serious investigation into this, surely to God?
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February 7, 2024 5:06pm
- Ghost
  
  Another industry destroyed by national. Now what will the people who write these fantasy reports work on
  
  Oh wait, labour are looking for new policy writers I think.
  
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  February 7, 2024 5:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    In 2016 Labor spent a poultry 40k.
    So where did $7 MILLION go last year ffs?
    
    We already spend half our lives working for other peoples familes as it is 🙁
    And another 7 mill to keep them out of jail!
    
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    February 7, 2024 5:36pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Labour weren’t in power in 2016.
      
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      February 7, 2024 6:06pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Skinny fingers. 7
        
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        February 7, 2024 7:17pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Poultry? No wonder the price of eggs went through the roof!
      
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      February 7, 2024 9:37pm
      - Ghost
        
        Why do you think they gave out KFC vouchers…….
        
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        February 7, 2024 10:07pm
Maggie Pie

And I see where Commerce Minister Andrew Bayley is going to scrap all remaining tarrifs on imports. A saving to consumers of $190 million.
Considering it costs $250 to collect, think of all the beaurecrats they can dump.

What i love about it, is imported Fragrances will come down by 20%. YAY!!
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February 7, 2024 5:47pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  * $250 MILLION
  
  have anoyher wine 😀
  
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  February 7, 2024 6:10pm
- thirteenstars
  
  It’s weird any import duties still exist.
  
  But some of us remember the 80s… just, when almost everything was made either prohibitively expensive due to duty or banned entirely.
  
  The glory of Rogernomics blew that away to a large degree and this country went red hot. Oh, what times. A young man rampant in a semi-capitalist economy where individuals could have consensual economic relationships. The memory warms me greatly.
  
  If only National’s program were so inspiring. We’ll see. Nicola Willis ain’t no Douglas.
  
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  February 7, 2024 7:17pm
sht1971

I only had Newshub in the background tonight as I wouldn’t bear One….not a mention of this story about a poor kiwi…although high on CNNs news site.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/06/asia/new-zealand-west-papua-militants-phillip-mehrtens-intl-hnk/index.html

Oh and then did I hear baby Ru mentioned…no…nada…nothing!
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  newshub ran a story yesterday on him, as did radio nz, nz herald, stuff
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/government-calls-for-release-of-kiwi-pilot-phillip-mehrtens-still-held-hostage-in-west-papua.amp.html
  
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  February 7, 2024 7:34pm
Ghost

Supposedly the transcript of the Tucker interview with Putin, only time will tell if it is

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February 7, 2024 7:47pm
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  Ghost, there is something weird about that interview. Apart from those severely infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome it seems to be too good to be true. Putin does not speak in “public relations” speak. Note his welcome reprieve when asked about Taylor Swift. And Putin worries the excrement out of far quits when he says there are two genders. And Putin welcomes global warming, if there is such a thing. Imagine the increase in Siberian agriculture if there is a such a thing. The Mexican border has got Putin flummoxed.
  I get the impression that Putin wants an honest America so that world commerce can continue in a proper manner. The Russkies make a quid out of exporting gas to Germany so that the Russkies can afford more American goods.
  
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    It is going to be interesting to see if that is an actual interview
    
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    February 7, 2024 9:57pm
Maggie Pie

7 Sharp just run a piece on NW and Paki N’ Save installing facial-recognition-camers in their stores. The privacy commissioner was all ovet it like hair on chloes top lip.

How pathetic! So long as you’re not obese, ugly, or a known shoplifter, who cares?
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  I bet that Scotties have contacted them already.
  
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