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Yvette

■ It’s interesting to speculate how things would evolve if the notion that Maori have inherently superior rights to the rest of us became entrenched. At the moment, the legal definition of a “Maori” is anybody with a Maori ancestor. That definition almost makes sense today, but in three or four generations? A friend of mine told me several years ago that he had 32 great-great-great-grandparents, 15 of whom were from England, 10 from Ireland, four from Scotland, two from Wales, and only one Maori. He is legally entitled to join the Maori electoral roll and presumably qualify for other government programmes reserved for “Maori”. That seems ridiculous, but it is only slightly more ridiculous than the present situation, where people who had far more ancestors who were not Maori than who were are entitled to government programmes reserved for Maori – Don Brash
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-what-kind-of-country-do-we-want-to-be-1

‘Unite, unite’ – Māori leaders say during Kīngitanga welcome
A call for unity has gone out from this afternoon’s powhiri at Waitangi, welcoming the Kīngitanga to the Treaty Grounds in a display of solidarity.
… “Let us remain peaceful, humble, but don’t drop our guard. They will be here to share their thoughts. Let them know our thoughts and our feelings. Let us look for prosperity of unity.”
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/02/04/unite-unite-maori-leaders-say-during-kingitanga-welcome/

Will ‘unity’ divide the nation, end to end?
Or
“Let us remain peaceful, humble, but don’t drop our guard. They will be here to share their thoughts. Let them know our thoughts and our feelings. Let us look for prosperity of unity.” – the Kīngitanga
Which is superbly brilliant counsel –

– if it is followed
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February 5, 2024 8:00am
- JJ56
  
  On the first point about Maori ancestry I think the fight is over Treaty rights and that the beneficiaries will be Iwi and who their leadership choose to bless with membership.
  
  The current definition of Maori for the purposes of the current NZ law will increasingly be seen as a colonial construct.
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:03am
  - G152
    
    So at Waitangi the stirrers prevented speeches being heard,
    And from the 3 most powerful men in NZ currently.
    I would not be surprised if Seymors legislation will see more air time maybe even pass thanks to the stirrers
    
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    February 6, 2024 7:01am
- Paulus
  
  Was it not Winston Peters last year said that you could have 1/512 and be a Maori.
  
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  February 5, 2024 1:18pm
Simon

IDF still rolling in Gaza. An important lesson there for a lot of people. E.g Luxon / National, who cares what the crazies think or say.
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February 5, 2024 8:04am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Idiot box TV1 with a guest going on about teens vaping and how bad it is for young ones with developing brains that can’t understand the dangers.
Those very same young developing brains that are old enough to vote at 16?
I know the Govt has canned it, but it is these crazy ideas that the hypocritical left come up with.
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February 5, 2024 8:04am
- imalwaysright
  
  S.O
  Saw that.
  It was immediately followed by an advertisement consisting of two kiwi presenters extolling the benefits of Nicorette spray that delivers a dose of nicotine directly under your tongue. Price and dose capacity both on screen.
  
  Morning comedy courtesy of tvnz.
  
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  February 5, 2024 8:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Breakfast, the NZ version of “The View”
    They are just as crazy!
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:09am
    - imalwaysright
      
      The nicorette looked great.
      I used to chain smoke and miss it sometimes.
      150 sprays for 40 pesos!
      Worth a crack.
      
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      February 5, 2024 10:27am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Chemist Warehouse I think.
        
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        February 5, 2024 1:55pm
- artemisia
  
  Vapes cheaper than ciggies, but not cheap. Where are these kids getting the vape money from? And where are their parents?
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:16am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Arte,
    I get the impression that kids vape because many adults are freaking out about it.
    Therefore its seen as cool or naughty.
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:31am
  - Burtland
    
    the smart kids are out working getting $23hr courtesy of Labour
    – theyve got money to burn; $1000 iphone is no problem
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:49am
Tricati

Ex PM Hipkins on the radio this morning says a lot of New Zealanders are proud of what Labour did to promote Māori during their term in government.
News for Chippy, that’s one of the main reasons you got the arse-card and the majority of Kiwi’s didn’t buy into your separatist crap.
Your predecessor promised to discuss your (Labour) Māori direction with the rest of the country, but didn’t and you didn’t stop it. No amount of toy tossing by the elite that promote they represent only 16% of the population is going to change the election result, and hopefully increases the resolve by those in the National led government, to bring this nonsense to an end.
The threat of possible violence towards the government coming from various opposition party Māori members, and Māori activists, only reinforces the view that Māori aren’t the peaceful race they try to portray, and their threatening behaviour is actually raising greater wider resentment towards them.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html
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February 5, 2024 8:06am
- Burtland
  
  Willie Jackson, at Waitangi …
  
  “NZers are comfortable with maori issues” and didnt vote for change
  – which begs the question “why then did Labour get arsed out”
  Of course RNZ never asked it.
  
  They didnt follow up on “Seymour is perpetuating a lie” either.
  
  Jackson claims Labour were paying out $1B PA to maori but its not enough.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018924785/willie-jackson-on-labour-s-reception-at-waitangi
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What about Henare saying his gun snd the shoots do his talking, WTF would happen if Luxon said this?
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:22am
  - Keith White
    
    “Never go full IRA, Peeni.”
    
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    February 5, 2024 12:09pm
  - herb1
    
    The law change Ardern started against hate speech would fine him up to $2000 and 2 years jail. Maybe the media should point this out to Henare and his leader
    
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    February 5, 2024 1:41pm
    - alwyn.a
      
      If he was charged, and found guilty, then he would be kicked out of Parliament regardless of his actual sentence then.
      “Otago University’s Andrew Geddis said if an MP was convicted of a crime with a sentence of two or more years imprisonment, they would be expelled from parliament.”
      That is only the maximum sentence, not what you actually get and he points out that he would be expelled, not that he might be expelled.
      Has anyone made a complaint yet and are the Police trying to pretend they haven’t got it?
      Did the law actually go through?
      
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      February 5, 2024 3:24pm
      - Keith White
        
        I did try to lodge a complaint through the NZ police tip line but apparently it can’t be done from overseas.
        
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        February 5, 2024 7:10pm
  - Ghost
    
    What about the rest of the comment, or is this is what kiwiblog is now, misquote what is said to try and make a false point?
    
    The rest of the quote was
    
    “That’s a figurative gun, not an actual gun.”
    
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    February 5, 2024 7:17pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      David Seymour’s Guy Fawkes comments were figurative too.
      
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      February 5, 2024 11:06pm
Yvette

At Tūrangawaewae Marae in Ngāruawāhia, Kiingi Tūheitia criticised the Government’s Treaty Principles Bill

Kiingi Tūheitia told the crowd they should be “proud” of the kōrero today, which would extend into upcoming Māori celebrations at Rātana and Waitangi.
However, he impressed the importance of action following the debate.
“We need a way forward that brings kotahitanga (unity) to all Aotearoa, the way forward needs to bring peace and unity to everyone.”
He said real improvements needed to be realised for Māori in employment levels, education and housing.
“These issues are bigger than politics.”

He didn’t make specific references to any proposed legislation but did indicate his strong condemnation for the Treaty Principles Bill, created by Act and agreed to in its coalition with National.
■ “There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it.”
The King expectedly focused on preserving the Treaty and warned against accepting its use in the judicial system as an accurate interpretation.
“Don’t look to the courts to understand the Treaty, look to the marae” [1]

“There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it.”

Which Treaty?
The 1840 version as written, or the 1980s renaissance version?

A journalist should ask Kiingi Tūheitia
Brian Edwards helped end a 1970 union dispute with the Post Office, live on air [2]
I have never seen a journalist cut through such crap since
Now would be good

“Let us remain peaceful, humble, but don’t drop our guard. They will be here to share their thoughts. Let them know our thoughts and our feelings. Let us look for prosperity of unity.”
– the Kīngitanga [3]
Which, as I have said above, is superbly brilliant counsel

Surely, with that attitude both Kiingi Tūheitia and David Seymour can decide at least the simplest of matters: what they are both talking about.
“There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it.”
Perhaps as simply as that.
Just which Treaty
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[1] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/maori-king-calls-for-hope-over-protest-while-dismissing-govt-treaty-bill/M2EXZG3JLNHTPFKEEUFK7Z5QXY/
[2] https://www.nzonscreen.com/interviews/brian-edwards-2011
[3] https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/02/04/unite-unite-maori-leaders-say-during-kingitanga-welcome/
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February 5, 2024 8:08am
- Jethrod
  
  I recall that soon after Brian Edwards described the feeling as walking on water or flying through the air, it was such a good buzz.
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:56am
- H. Upmann
  
  “He said real improvements needed to be realised for Māori in employment levels, education and housing.”
  A good place to start would be getting a job and being there on time every day, actually sending kids to school and not trashing or terrorising neighbours in housing provided by the state.
  
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  February 5, 2024 12:06pm
  - Paulus
    
    And when are Maori going to accept, that in many cases, they have a responsibility to stop some of them killing young children, and taking some responsibility to get them to help the police to prosecute.
    Never still eh !
    
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    February 5, 2024 1:22pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Baby Ru, toddler Moko Rangitoheriri and the Kahui twins were all Maori children. Their names are known, presumably their whakapapa is known and therefore their iwi is known.
      
      All iwis have leaders. Why are not these leaders giving the hard word to the relevant parents & caregivers? If they are, and there’s no outcome, why is this not being reported?
      
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      February 5, 2024 2:20pm
- Keith White
  
  This is for the “Kiing”
  
  Hey there Chief Kiingion and your Kelvindaviators and Rifle-Peenis and Hat-Fetishist Scribblefaces posing and expostulating their way around Northland. I know, you are not gonna want to hear this, but if you are truly honest and desirous of improving “your people’s” lot = you say “real improvements needed to be realised for Māori in employment levels, education and housing”: yes, you are correct.
  
  But no, bullying your racist way to the head of the Govt-dollar-scramble extracted from the (increasingly fewer and more unhappy) net-productive taxpayers is not the way to achieve this.
  
  You are really gonna hate what I say next, but that’s fine, the truth hurts.
  
  You’ve got to convince “your people” that they need to act middle-class European/Asian. Which means:
  
  – Send your kids to the best available school.
  – Make sure your kids attend that best available school every damn day.
  – Check that they do their homework – even if you can’t help them do it, you can check that they did it.
  – Talk to and listen to their teachers. Provide nice feedback to your kids and watch them do their homework.
  – Get a job and turn up on time every damn day work damn hard at it; that will get you promoted and you will earn more.
  – Stay or get married to your children’s partner and work at that (marriage) as well.
  – Don’t sit on the couch playing Xbox and drinking Lion Red when you should be checking that your children are doing their homework and/or keeping a prideful house or apartment or tenancy and being kind to your partner and children.
  – If you ever catch yourself wanting to whack your partner or children, run far away straight away.
  – If you ever catch yourself wanting to leave your partner or children because you don’t like the responsibilities then grow a pair and be a man – or run far away straight away, preferably to Europistan.
  – Don’t be an impulse buyer.
  – Learn to delay gratification.
  – Buy the house or rent the flat or buy the car that you can afford, not the one you want.
  
  If at any time you don’t like the contents of the above recipe, suck it up.
  
  Don’t try and tell the rest of us that you were Once a Kangz-Warriorah because if you can’t meet these basic life and society responsibilities to your loved ones and to the rest of us, you are nothing but bloviating pigmented windbag.
  
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  February 5, 2024 12:34pm
Im Right

Has anyone noticed the lefty blogs going into meltdown with this new Govt?
It’s hilarious the topics/headlines each new thread gets, ever more ‘civil war’, ‘mass unrest’, ‘mass protests’ blah blah blah
And seemingly you get attacked for merely pointing out it’s what the 3 parties actually campaigned on that is being enacted, and the majority who voted for this Govt, are happy with it all so far.
Ohhh my, how the left hate losing and being told a few home truths, (Like how Labour never campaigned on 3waters, co-governance or maori health dept)
Still….it’s like a hobby posting and reading the replies and responses, I have to say though, there is nothing quite as nasty nor venal as an upset leftie, makes reading the replies even more amusing.
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February 5, 2024 8:10am
- gravedodger
  
  Do not often become a viewer, however last night was too occupied to leave the room and heard the opening sequence from One Ewes, every item displayed utter negativity to the Coalition not a single effort of note was offered.
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:07am
- Handyman
  
  The left media are almost at point they have been waiting for. That is, enough time has elapsed since the election to now blame all bad data on National. For example the 60,000 on the waiting list.
  Prepare to see “reporting” and “revelations” on every subject you haven’t heard about for years. My favourite prediction is “what is National going to do about the shocking rise in child poverty?”
  
  Also prepare for the change in blame language (for things that got worse during last six years) from the previous “nine long years of the previous government” to “underinvestment by successive governments, going back decades”.
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:51am
- infused
  
  Mate, read reddit. It’s actually insane
  
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  February 5, 2024 12:59pm
  - sirknz
    
    Reddit is proof that the more moderated a site is, the more left leaning it becomes as the lefty ideas can only survive when they block all other opposing view points. it is probably why the more ‘anonymous’ sites tend to lean more right.
    
    I got sick of reddit and got blocked from the Auckland subreddit specifically for who knows what reason. Probably for pointing out the logical conclusions of govt policy or trying to have rational dialogue with irrational people.
    
    The are the dumbest ‘smart people’ you will ever encounter, online or in real life.
    
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    February 5, 2024 2:30pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Reddit is proof that the more moderated a site is, the more left leaning it becomes…
      
      Chuckle. I note that several Lefties here have praised Kiwiblog as having improved since the 2019 introduction of moderators.
      
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      February 5, 2024 3:16pm
- Paulus
  
  What a noisy sight at Waitangi to see so many men all slathered up, and screaming, and dancing to show their absolute physical superiority.
  Tongue’s spitting ahoy too. Do they realise how pathetic now in 2024 they appear – no.
  Not once was Warriors ! – still a rather pathetic show at the Treaty Ground.
  
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  February 5, 2024 1:28pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  You bet. Martyn Bradbury’s gone absolutely hysterical lately. He lets a few of my comments through, though not many. I recently criticized the Spinoff in a comment I sent in, and published that one. So maybe I’ve cracked the code – criticize the competition, and you’re OK.
  
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  February 5, 2024 4:51pm
Matt Long

Why don’t the colonistzionists just go back to their own country?
This might be why.
My grandfather was born in 1913 in Jubareh – the Jewish ghetto in Isfahan, #Iran.

As a child, he was prohibited from being outside when it rained. By law, if rainwater hit his “Yahud” skin the entire water supply was deemed “impure.” Punishment for violating this law was death.
https://x.com/persianjewess/status/1753544773519192468?s=20
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February 5, 2024 8:10am
- thirteenstars
  
  Oh, they had plenty of that in Europe, too, and not that long ago.
  
  Jews were vermin, literally, poisoning wells, or baking the blood of Christian children into bread. They were, apparently, trying to take over the world financial system by being filthy capitalists while simultaneously establishing international Marxism by being dirty Commies. Neat trick.
  
  Six million murdered still within living memory was inevitable.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:08am
  - Drone
    
    Actually thirteenstars they:
    
    do have a large presence in the worlds financial system,
    
    they basically own the Hollywood movie machine,
    
    are significantly represented in the MSM in Europe,
    
    and, have a huge influence over American politics.
    
    None of which justifies the six million.
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:00am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Oh, but it kind of does, that is, if you’re prepared to assert that one group dominates in an area and therefore it’s nefarious, at some point that irrational belief will be exploited and you’ll end up with gas chambers.
      
      If it’s not nefarious, why mention it? It’s no more meaningful than to say men dominate in the trades and women dominate nursing and teaching.
      
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      February 5, 2024 10:10am
      - Che Guava
        
        Disproportionate ethnic group influence it can be nefarious without it necessarily terminating in “gas chambers.” I don’t see how the one follows from the other.
        
        But that’s the argument: “If we point out Jewish influence, then Jews will end up in gas chambers, therefore we shouldn’t mention Jewish influence.” This is just hysterical. This is the Jews’ own argument, but built into the argument is an implicit recognition that their influence generally is nefarious. Why else would they invoke such extreme consequences?
        
        Moreover, as a general principle, we need to be able to talk about and critique power – if “power” self-imposes a limit on discussions about itself, then that gives power free reign. If Jews didn’t have any power, then it wouldn’t be important to talk about Jews. But that’s not the case.
        
        Moreover, dominance in itself needn’t always be nefarious either. When Christians dominated, the West flourished. But they don’t dominate anymore, though, and accordingly, we have a very different society. We could be kind and say that it no longer flourishes, or be less kind and say that it is falling to pieces.
        
        In this case, it’s not really the disproportionate influence of Jewish interests in itself, it’s the consequences of it. Why? Because the interests of a very small minority ethnic collective are probably not the same interests of the ethnic majority.
        
        “It’s no more meaningful than to say men dominate in the trades and women dominate nursing and teaching.”
        
        Trades and nursing and teaching aren’t the nexuses of social and political control that banking, information and ideas are, obviously.
        
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        February 5, 2024 10:44am
      - gravedodger
        
        Yet a significant number of persons claiming a degree of Maori will dominate the news cycle as the only game in town for New Zealand with a now barely concealed aim for Maori to take control of every facet of governance of this nation.
        Is That really any difference to the deep desire by so many internationally to support Judaism as a problem to be extinguished?
        Minority rule anyone.
        
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        February 5, 2024 11:15am
      - Jack5
        
        Not sure, Gravedodger, from that post, of your attitude towards Jewish people.
        
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        February 5, 2024 12:29pm
      - Che Guava
        
        “Is That really any difference to the deep desire by so many internationally to support Judaism as a problem to be extinguished?
        Minority rule anyone.”
        
        “Extinguished”? Always such loaded language.
        
        It’s not the doctrine of Judaism that is the issue, it’s the behaviour of some Jews, both secular and religious, although the doctrine oftentimes informs and motivates that behaviour.
        
        And the thesis is that we already live under minority rule (although it has never been announced or declared, for obvious reasons), that minority being politically coordinated and collectively interested Jews.
        
        The solution isn’t “extinguishing” anyone or anything, it about not having an elite that has a separate and often contradictory program to the majority, that is, replacing one elite with one that would be more favourable the majority.
        
        The Jewish Nation now has its long-desired State of Israel. They already have their own state whose policies they can control as Jews, so they don’t also need to control other peoples’ to the detriment of those people.
        
        They can always go and live in Israel when the diaspora countries are spent and finally broken beyond repair, whereas the local populations don’t have that option. Because of the never ending “multiculturalism” program, the latter don’t have their own national ethnic homelands any longer (that being a so-called “White supremacist” idea).
        
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        February 5, 2024 1:43pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Disproportionate ethnic group influence it can be nefarious without it necessarily terminating in “gas chambers.” I don’t see how the one follows from the other.
        
        Even though it did at least once. Obtuse! The word here is obtuse.
        
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        February 5, 2024 3:19pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Tom Hunter
        
        If we’re talking about being obtuse, then you are obviously obtuse when you fail to understand that one thing “follows” from another thing only when the thing that follows does so out of logical necessity.
        
        Accordingly, it does not at all “follow” that nefarious and disproportionate ethnic group influence terminates in gas chambers, because there is no logical necessity involved.
        
        As you clearly don’t understand the meaning, logical necessity is any case where it is impossible to conceive of X as being otherwise (i.e. not-X) without contradiction.
        
        If there was any logical necessity in the present example, then it would always end the same way out of necessity, rather than only “at least once” (and thus only contingently) as you claim in your comment.
        
        And incidentally, are you conceding that there was disproportionate and nefarious minority ethnic influence in 1930s/40s Germany, because you seem to be?
        
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        February 5, 2024 3:42pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Even though it did at least once. Obtuse! The word here is obtuse.”
        
        Oh, Tom, good luck. It’s like teaching basic social etiquette to a sociopath.
        
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        February 5, 2024 6:49pm
      - Che Guava
        
        thirteenstars
        It’s OK, I already explained to Tom about 4 hours ago why it was him that was being obtuse as opposed to me.
        
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        February 5, 2024 7:21pm
    - Che Guava
      
      All of this is true (and can be easily verified by researching the history and origins – particularly of international finance beginning in Europe and of Hollywood in the 20th century – and the various current relevant shareholdings and/or managerial control), which is why it is such a taboo to mention it. If it were false, nobody would care if you made the claim.
      
      And you have to ask: why do people get so uncomfortable when these things are pointed out? Why do feelings get so ruffled over the facts?
      
      Someone has to control these things, because they don’t run themselves. If disproportionate Jewish institutional influence is so benign, then why are they so afraid of more people knowing about it?
      
      The “counter argument” is usually simply to sniff derisively and act incredulously.
      
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      February 5, 2024 10:30am
    - Paulus
      
      You mean that they became educated and work hard to achieve what they set out to do.
      
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      February 5, 2024 1:29pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Paulus
        Insufficient. It’s because of high levels of nepotism, in group preference and collective ethnic self-interest. They look out for each other and help each other in preference to non-Jews.
        
        If hard work and education determined the make up of Western (particularly US) elites, you’d see disproportionate East Asian representation. There are likely more East Asians in the West nowadays than there are Jews, who ate typically only about 3% or even less.
        
        But Jews have it right while Europeans have it wrong. All groups should have ingroup preference because it is a natural strategy, but Europeans have been psyoped into “individualism” and “colour-blind meritocracy.” Meanwhile, Jews are playing a team game rather than being atomised individuals.
        
        If Europeans had their own collective ethnic interest and in-group preference, more of us would probably see its operation among others. We would likely also have a non-Jewish elite, which is why European ethnic consciousness is taboo.
        
        We naively explain disproportionate Jewish influence by invoking “education” and “hard work” which, while important, are insufficient in a multicultural world wherein groups favour their own.
        
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        February 5, 2024 1:56pm
- Che Guava
  
  We see this frequently: a Jew posts an unverifiable personal anecdote about the alleged experience of an ancestor, thus (in their mind) justifying Israel’s actions in the present day.
  
  Even if the anecdote is true, it’s unclear how it follows that Jews in 2024 should get a free pass and carte blanche to do as they please.
  
  BTW, you forgot the bit where she gives us an insight into the mindset when she says “And WE WILL DESTROY anyone who tries to shove us in a ghetto again” which must be classfiable as incitement to violence. Imagine if Peeni Henare had said “WE WILL DESTROY anyone who supports a Treaty referendum.”
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:16am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I grew up in a civil war.
    Our family didn’t pass our baggage on to our kiwi kids.
    Our kids mix and get on well with everyone.
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:38am
    - Che Guava
      
      Everyone’s ancestors had a hard time to a greater or lesser extent, but most of us don’t bring it up in an argument to attempt to stifle opposition.
      
      The collective victimhood the Jews attribute to themselves is a great tool for ensuring group solidarity, but it leads to antagonism against “the other” (aka the Gentile). Theirs is an “us against the world” mindset, and is that really the kind of mindset you want a large proportion of your elite class to have? Maybe that helps explain why our elite tend to act increasingly so sadistically and with such disdain towards the mass of men.
      
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      February 5, 2024 11:01am
    - Che Guava
      
      imalwaysright
      
      Lol. Judging by your 19 upticks and my 20 downticks for our respective comments that are saying essentially the same thing (i.e. that people shouldn’t perpetuate intergenerational victimhood), I think it’s fair to say that the comprehension skills of our fellow KBers are severely lacking.
      
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      February 5, 2024 7:18pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Che
        
        Many of the down ticks are an indication of the longevity of your legacy of counterarguments to populist narratives.
        
        Think of them as bonus points
        
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        February 6, 2024 8:16am
  - Matt Long
    
    I find it strange that many self described Christians identify more with this group than with a whole spectrum of people they label Jews. It must be a product of being balanced, open minded and generally wiser than the general population.
    “Islamist Fulani militias just started a killing spree in the Benue State of Nigeria.
    
    They are killing Christians from the Umogidi community. The area around Adoka is particularly hard hit.
    
    Any protest marches planned in London?” Auckland?
    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1754278437856899388?s=20
    
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    February 5, 2024 12:57pm
    - Che Guava
      
      “They are killing Christians from the Umogidi community. The area around Adoka is particularly hard hit.”
      
      I had to Google that, because I’d never heard about it before. This raises important questions: why isn’t this ongoing anti-Christian violence more widely known and heavily covered on the news? The news doesn’t get promulgated randomly, it is curated and selected based on what is seen to be important and what is not. Obviously, those who determine what is and isn’t an important story aren’t Christians. We hear often of “rising anti-semitism” yet anti-Christian sentiment (someones explicit, sometimes implicit) is a pillar of contemporary liberalism. Genuine concrete expressions of anti-Jewish feeling are few and far between, compared to anti-Christian behaviour, but if you believed the news you’d think it was the opposite. The perception doesn’t match the reality.
      
      We hear a lot about the plight of Jews though, don’t we? Imagine if the Islamists had murdered the same number of Jews in Nigeria. The United States would probably be bombing the perpetrators, and it would be labelled as akin to the beginnings of another Holocaust. Yet when it’s Christians, we never hear about it. Why not?
      
      “…a whole spectrum of people they label Jews.”
      
      I don’t label anyone Jews, Jews label themselves as such, and they take great pains to collectively identify as Jews, rather than as anything else.
      
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      February 5, 2024 1:28pm
- David Garrett
  
  Matt: Sadly the same kind of lunacy was present in the US as late as the 1960’s.
  
  There was a black singer called Dorothy Dandridge – very popular with whites as well as blacks – who was engaged to give shows at a Las Vegas casino. Unusually, she was allowed to stay at the hotel at which she was performing; black singers often had to stay elsewhere.
  
  Ms Dandridge swam in the hotel pool, resulting in complaints from numerous racist whites. The pool was drained and subject to a thorough cleaning before it was considered suitable for whites to once again swim in it. 60 years later it almost seems unbelievable.
  
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  February 5, 2024 12:17pm
artemisia

A powhiri is supposed to be a welcome to visitors. Am I the only one to think parts of the Waitangi powhiri have been primitive, violent and ugly?
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February 5, 2024 8:11am
- Flossie
  
  When I was a kid I had a couple of friends at school from a family of immigrants. They told us all that their parents had been advised not to go to NZ – too dangerous!! Full of savages!! (Not to mention they should pack soap and toothpaste etc and it wouldn’t be available “out there”!)
  If their family who did not emigrate here are seeing anything of our current performance in the media they will be firmly convinced their warnings should have been taken seriously.
  
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  February 5, 2024 12:15pm
- David Garrett
  
  art: ALL powhiri are “primitive violent and ugly”…I cringe every time I see a “Maori welcome” staged for some visiting dignatory.
  
  Thirty odd years ago the band Dire Straits did a tour of NZ – they came several times. They were “welcomed” at the airport by a bunch of Maori leaping about with their tongues out waving weapons. The “welcome” also included shoving Mark Knophler, the lead singer.
  
  I remember him looking utterly bewildered – and not a little frightened – which was entirely understandable. I sat in front of the telly cringing a the crassness of it all.
  
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  February 5, 2024 12:22pm
  - artemisia
    
    Actually DG, not all are like that. Mainly the political ones, or where it is a famous person and the ‘welcome’ will be on the telly, or where there is payment involved.
    
    I’ve been at many, taken part too, and none have been ugly and confrontational. Boring as all hell usually, so chance for a bit of a snooze in the back row.
    
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    February 5, 2024 1:03pm
  - Unity
    
    I feel the same, David. Every time I hear stomping and chanting I totally cringe. If it happens in the presence of an overseas person, the cringe and feeling of shame are elevated. I do not enjoy it one iota and worry what the overseas person actually thinks of our country. As for rubbing noses – please spare me. Being right up front and centre of someone I don’t personally know is an absolute no, no!! Surely we should have grown up so much more these days that we should be totally over aggressive Stone Age cultural ways. It’s sickening in today’s World.
    
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    February 5, 2024 1:56pm
Matt Long

The Newcastle Football club had a secret private investigation of this gay woman before they banned her from games and handed their dossier to the police.
Based on this:
“The complainant included screenshots of tweets Ms Smith had posted in which she suggested the trans lobby was homophobic because it wanted to “trans the gay away”, and that some transgender people were suffering from mental illness.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/02/football-fan-banned-gender-critical-posts-permier-league/
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February 5, 2024 8:15am
- Matt Long
  
  X link. https://x.com/RightNUFC/status/1753535641336369328?s=20
  
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  February 5, 2024 8:25am
- Taieri
  
  some transgender people were suffering from mental illness.
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  Some?
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:29am
  - Notsofast
    
    It seems to be an ongoing debate, something of a Catch 22 question.
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:40am
  - David Garrett
    
    Taieri: Other than the 0.5% of unfortunates who are apparently born each year with indeterminate genitals, and thus gender, they are ALL suffering from mental illness of one kind or another..
    
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    February 5, 2024 12:23pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Its a definitional thing really, isn’t it.
      
      If the person is genuinely “intersex” well that is bloody bad luck. Hope they find peace.
      
      Personally, this Deity is of the view that supporting Newcastle United is almost certainly a signifier of mental illness….!
      
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      February 5, 2024 6:33pm
  - Che Guava
    
    This is why maximal personal choice is a faulty basis of a society. If you believe that maximal personal choice is the highest ethical principle, then you can’t have any objection to transgenderism, because who are you to say someone isn’t free to be “transgender.”
    
    As soon as you admit they aren’t free to do so because of the limits imposed by reality, then maximal personal choice is displaced as a principle, and conforming with actualities, even if they restrict choice (rather than conforming with what you’d prefer), becomes the guiding principle.
    
    “Freedom” is freedom to recognise the world as it is and to act accordingly, even though this restricts action, not freedom to do whatever the hell you like.
    
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    February 5, 2024 2:31pm
- Notsofast
  
  Jacinda Ardern has apparently been retained by Chris Luxon to manage this sort of thing. She should be questioned if she is planning this route for New Zealand. The woman in question is correctly describing what will be orthodoxy within a few years, but New Zealand law now makes it mandatory to transition gay youth to sterile eunuchs, when they are so maliciously advised by big pharma, doctors, and therapists it is in their interests.
  Thanks Shaneel, of such wisdom, who clearly has yet to encounter the law of unintended consequences.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:39am
- rouppe
  
  but within hours its equality and inclusion team had leapt into action.
  
  Has anyone seen an example of a “equality and inclusion team” ever doing something other than excluding someone?
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:47am
- David Garrett
  
  Matt: Once again, some outfit which thinks the novel “1984” was a handbook and not a dire warning.
  
  I wonder how long it will take for this disease to spread here? Just this morning I have made two comments here on KB, one of which is arguably – to an idiot – racist, the other “transphobic”. Thankfully I am currently in Tonga, where the world hasn’t gone mad – they have only just declared that domestic violence is wrong and unacceptable – but I wonder if/when I am going to be approached by Immigration in NZ about my forthright comments on this blog?
  
  Not so long ago, such a suggestion/concern would have been absurd; not any more it isn’t.
  
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  February 5, 2024 12:39pm
Damocles11

‘Labour leader Chris Hipkins pledged to support Ngāpuhi in its opposition to the Government’s agenda on Māori issues. Hipkins and his MPs made the commitment alongside warnings of “spiders” and a “den of lions” approaching – a reference to the Government’s scheduled arrival at the marae today.’
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February 5, 2024 8:15am
- Damocles11
  
  Peeni Henare should be condemned for his incitement to separatists to start taking up arms against the elected government. Perhaps even charged.
  
  “I lift my gun, I let the shots do the talking” Peeni Henare
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:15am
  - Keith White
    
    Fortunately, thanks to the intervention of St Jacinda of the Pestilence PBUH, Peeni’s magazine will be hold no more than 10 rounds.
    
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    February 5, 2024 12:39pm
- Paulus
  
  Sadly Hipkins is an ignorant little shit, showing off what he has not got.
  
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  February 5, 2024 1:50pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie tweets…

Can you imagine the Horrid printing this today?

“Neurotic self righteous Maori activists dream up more ways to get more millions….never mind the truancy stats.
Never mind the hopeless failure of Maori to educate their children, and bashing their babies, it’s all about hating Whitey, it’s all about the Treaty”

– Paul Holmes (his regular NZHerald column Waitangi 2012)
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February 5, 2024 8:15am
- RoboRob
  
  Amazing how little has changed. The usual faces out and about protesting the government and wanting more money and control. Yet year on year Maori outcomes get worse, not better.
  
  If increased funing and control by Maori has made things worse for Maori (and the rest of us) what might happen if we give Maori less funing and took away control and soap boxes?
  
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  February 5, 2024 8:53am
  - JerJer
    
    [Don’t make specific allegations on a person awaiting trial here please. mod.]
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:01am
    - JerJer
      
      Where is the issue. This was front page news last week with all the details I put in the post. This is public knowledge. I didn’t say he did it either, I said apparently if I remember correctly and that he is awaiting trial on charges which relate specifically to the activities published last week.
      
      [We’re not here to stop your comments, but will not allow the host to be exposed to discussion on matters before the courts, and which are stated to have happened. You went too far. mod.]
      
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      February 5, 2024 10:36am
      - JerJer
        
        Ok, got it. Thanks for the clarification.
        
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        February 5, 2024 10:52am
  - Paulus
    
    No, do not take away their Soap Boxes – let them speak whatever they want, and as I do, ignore them as irrelevant.
    For years I worked next to Tower Hill in the City of London. and every day at Speakers Corner everything was expelled and generally enjoyed, but ultimately ignored.
    Of course historically they hung people there.
    
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    February 5, 2024 1:55pm
- cmm
  
  In the 12 years since that was written, whitey bashing has increased and whitey has rolled over and asked for more.
  
  Worse yet, it hasn’t helped Maori at all: school results are worse than ever before and so is the baby bashing.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:10am
  - Keith White
    
    Actually, we whiteys – in my case , part-whitey – never asked for more. We got handed more by a bunch of feckless, lazy, self-aggrandizing virtue-signalling racist bureaucrats and politicians. Mostly by stealth.
    
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    February 5, 2024 12:57pm
    - cmm
      
      Keith, personally you and I have not asked for more.
      
      But whiteys, as a group, continuously ask for more. We seemed to be wired for continuous guilt and appeasement.
      
      But eventually that appeasement and guilt run out, then we get war.
      
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      February 5, 2024 6:31pm
      - Keith White
        
        “The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon” by Rudyard K.
        
        It was not part of their blood,
        It came to them very late,
        With long arrears to make good,
        When the Saxon began to hate.
        
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        February 5, 2024 7:14pm
kowtow

There’s a photo in today’s Herald showing a child with Arab head scarf atAuckland protest carrying a poster ” Tongans for Palestine / Long Live the Intifada ”

Children publicly promoting terrorism !

Where’s the outrage .
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February 5, 2024 8:17am
- nathie
  
  Wonder if they are Christian Tongans … not realising that Islam, if practiced literally (eg by the AK47 wielding fundamentalists, even today), wants to subjugate them?
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:05am
- Flossie
  
  Did you see the Maori child taking part in the hikoi to Waitanga on TV last night. Jenna Lynch (TV3) asked why they were taking part and the answer was “the government is going to take over Maori”. What are they telling their children!
  
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  February 5, 2024 12:18pm
  - Paulus
    
    Whatever it is Jenna will tell them what to think anyway.
    
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    February 5, 2024 1:56pm
    - Keith White
      
      I’m not sure we need to worry. Jenna is hardly a thought leader in thought and the thought process has gotta be alien to anybody who channels “Tongans for Palestine”, because that’s basically a rehash of the People’s Judaean Liberation Front sketches…
      
      The People’s Front of Judea | Monty Python Wiki – Fandom
      
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      February 5, 2024 7:16pm
Chris Nisbet

Ha. I just saw some headline declaring that NZTA only have half the funding they need.
On the plus side though, they have 10 times as many road cones as they need.
lol.
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February 5, 2024 8:17am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Drive down Rifle Range Rd in Hamilton. The cones should be on the contraceptive pill. They reproduce like RATS.
  
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  February 5, 2024 8:51am
  - rouppe
    
    I’ve driven down roads where they’ve set up cones to mark out lanes, and there are hundreds of cones placed in the gutter.
    
    What’s the point? Is the gutter not enough of a hint?
    
    Just retarded.
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:51am
    - gravedodger
      
      Where else to store them roupe, very cheap place and who will steal them, most needs well satisfied.
      
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      February 5, 2024 11:21am
- pdm
  
  Hell Chris – if they sold those surplus orange cones for $5 each they would probably be in profit.
  
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  February 5, 2024 8:56am
  - Colville
    
    Stupid thing is that NZTA rents all those cones from contractor$…… ca ching!
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:05am
    - JeffW
      
      That’s not stupid, it’s the point
      
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      February 5, 2024 11:51am
  - RoboRob
    
    I am told the road cones cost $75 each. Look at how many there are and think about what could have been done with that money.
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:29am
    - rouppe
      
      I think the price has come down – a bit – with some competition, but still up in the $50 area.
      
      It’s so ridiculous.
      
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      February 5, 2024 9:53am
    - MCōs
      
      Who told you that?
      https://highway1.co.nz/road-series-cones/
      
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      February 5, 2024 9:54am
      - Sacha
        
        Now I know why they need so many workers – those cones can be heavy. You could get tired lifting them on and off the truck.
        
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        February 5, 2024 11:10am
      - RoboRob
        
        Way to ignore the point and fixate on the detail.
        
        I was told it some time ago. As rouppe says, they appear to have come down in price. Your link however just goes to prove my point. Cones are still ~$44 a piece.
        
        We had ~400 cones on the street outside my work for all of last year (~ $17,500) worth of cones, let alone the 2 to 4 staff members actively monitoring said cones on a daily basis.
        
        Yes I know that cones aren’t bought new for every job but plenty are broken and stolen. Its make work that is costing us money, slowing us down (over weekends with no works in progress) and dragging out jobs. Each time they moved where the diggers were working it took a day to move the fencing and cones as required. This took all staff, ~10.
        
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        February 5, 2024 11:29am
    - Keith White
      
      I’m waiting for some actual journalism of the old school variety to tell us which people are hugely enriched by Waka Kotahi slowwalking road repairs and insisting on the galaxy-level of cones. Someones are getting muchrich on the taxpayer dime. But that sort of serious fact-finding reporting-journalism will never happen.
      
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      February 5, 2024 1:00pm
      - MCōs
        
        I expect the work is contracted out to the lowest bidder and someone has probably figured out it’s cheaper to take more time over a job than pay penal rates to get the work done quickly
        
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        February 5, 2024 5:44pm
    - Paulus
      
      Many years ago I saw, on one vessel, an insurance covering three million cones from China – the tip of the iceberg now.
      
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      February 5, 2024 1:58pm
- RoboRob
  
  They are still out putting in new speed slowing and traffic jamming devices. Locally they have spent millions digging out a roundabout and replacing it with a slightly bigger roundabout. The result being less road for cars going around the thing. The other change… Speed bumps coming into and out of the roundabout.
  
  In other parts of Christchurch they are putting up more 30km signs in suburbia, the CBD already having a blanket 30km.
  
  Clearly the councils are rushing this stuff through before the government can get control of Waka coathanga. The government needs to get control of the ASAP and stop it.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:01am
  - MCōs
    
    I wouldn’t have thought central government has control over local government affairs such as this and nor should they, but then again maybe you’re in favour of centralized control
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:59am
    - RoboRob
      
      Waka Kotahi does this stuff in conjunction with councils. But you knew that.
      
      The incoming government has told Waka Kotahi to stop focusing on getting people out of cars and to end the Labour parties blanket goal of reducing city speeds to 30 and open roads to 80. But you knew that.
      
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      February 5, 2024 11:32am
      - artemisia
        
        We can assume NZTA had main riding instructions from the last government. Or they just figured that if the money didn’t get spent the future belt would have to tighten. Oh noooo.
        
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        February 5, 2024 11:58am
    - Keith White
      
      “You’re not in Bangkok now, Dr Ropata.”
      
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      February 5, 2024 1:02pm
  - Handyman
    
    “Waka Kotahi” is the Maori name. The English name is “What a Catastrophe”.
    
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    February 5, 2024 1:41pm
    - Keith White
      
      Can I say “Whakka Kockkup”?
      
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      February 5, 2024 7:17pm
- Damocles11
  
  They’ve been working on the road between Waihi and Tauranga for 6 years now, and it is a dogs breakfast: constant changes to the gradient & the quality of the seal. Endless cones and roadworks, and no end in sight. The traffic jams are appalling. The Key government had approved a new fit-for-purpose highway, the Ardern government scrapped it. We will pay the price for this incompetence. How many billions have been spent so far on this obsolete embarrassment?
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:13am
  - rouppe
    
    Haywards Hill. It feels like it’s been going on for a decade
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:54am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    SH2 south of Masterton, ditto dog’s breakfast
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:38am
    - Sacha
      
      It’s getting sorted. I drove down on Friday. Traffic moved slowly (but smoothly) and stuck to the 80k limit.
      
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      February 5, 2024 11:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Those bloody road cones breed when we are not watching.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:14am
  - Keith White
    
    It’s true you never see one with a condom on…
    
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    February 5, 2024 1:03pm
Damocles11

Maori separatists are still not generally referred to as separatists in New Zealand. It’s a strange reticence when the separatists themselves are very clear on what their agenda is.

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‘Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi repeated his calls for the establishment of a Māori Parliament.’
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February 5, 2024 8:18am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Oh, that’s not separatism, that’s partnership. You see, if it was separatist the Maori government would raise their own tax revenue from ‘their people’, but because it’s a partnership the rest of us will fund their government. It’s only fair.
  Got it?
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:23am
- Paulus
  
  Did not Te Pati Maori woman at Waitangi say yesterday that they the only true Maori on all things and we will know it soon.
  
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  February 5, 2024 2:01pm
G152

Time to stop the Waitangi mumble moan threats that are not really threats. Where the Queen was attacked by a demented racist that knew there would be no repercussion because TOW.
Do the parades, have a day off but shut down protests by noone {and the fake media} turning up to breathlessly report the twat with the tat in the hat being a prat.
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February 5, 2024 8:20am
- Drone
  
  G152 as much as I try to avoid one line posts this line “the twat with the tat in the hat being a prat.” is a classic, equal in status, well almost to Schwarzenegger’s “I’ll be back”.
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:10am
  - G152
    
    Thank you
    
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    February 5, 2024 11:12am
  - David Garrett
    
    Drone: I thought it was more Dr Suess… but excellent whatever the derivation or inspiration.
    
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    February 5, 2024 12:47pm
Yvette

David Seymour should retitle the ‘Government’s Treaty Principles Bill’ to
‘The Nation’s Unity Bill’
or something similar but snappier – using the word ‘unity’

It is of course the English word Maori are rallying behind
So if Seymour and Luxon take it back and use it several times
Not maliciously, but to emphasise their purpose
Shane Jones might

Just wondering

(Sherlock, that was short)
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February 5, 2024 8:22am
Matt Long

The Smearald still pushing Christian schools to act against their faith.
Best response on X. I’m not gay, I don’t go to gay bars and complain they don’t cater to me, if you’re not a Christian don’t go to a Christian School.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bethlehem-college-advocate-calls-for-principal-board-to-resign-after-report-about-safety-of-lgbtqia-students/Q4POA236DZCDBG2KCRW5ND7PYQ/
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February 5, 2024 8:22am
- artemisia
  
  Likewise, the best response to same sex marriage opponents was ‘don’t do it then’.
  
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  February 5, 2024 8:25am
  - Matt Long
    
    I thought it was, “don’t knock it till you’ve tried it.”
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:47am
    - Matt Long
      
      But then we got into the idea of people being forced to recognise and approve various couplings against their own beliefs.
      
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      February 5, 2024 10:49am
  - Che Guava
    
    “…same sex marriage…”
    
    That’s a self-contradiction. The concept denoted by the word ‘marriage’ isn’t just two people making a pact of a particular kind in a particular form, it is about one man and one women doing so.
    
    “Same sex marriage” should not be legal because it’s wrong, and the law should reflect that, as it does with everything else that is wrong.
    
    Two people consenting to commit a wrong doesn’t at all alter the moral character of the act.
    
    Like all “progressive” incursions into what constitutes normalcy, same sex marriage wasn’t anything about giving gays rights, it was about damaging and diluting the institution of marriage as between men and women. Two very different motivations.
    
    Sexual liberalism destroys the family, liberal secularism destroys religion, and liberal immigration destroys the social cohesion. Family, faith and nation, all severely attenuated in a very short space of time, and we all live with the effects., which we complain about but often don’t appreciate the causes.
    
    Liberalism was weaponised against longstanding foundations, and we occupy the rubble of what those foundations formerly supported.
    
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    February 5, 2024 2:49pm
    - PurplePen
      
      Marriage is a word and any word in any language can have more than one meaning and even change over time. Fanny years ago was a common female name. In the USA today it’s your rear end and here and the UK it’s the front end, more specifically a women’s front end.
      
      The other point is the state can define marriage or any other word to be what they want. The state’s version of marriage is a way of ensuring a couple in union is recognised for priority over property and dependents and for tax and benefit purposes. It has nothing at all to do with any religious definition nor reason for marriage.
      
      A couple can quite happily get married in the eyes of their religion without having to get married in the eyes of the state. I suspect this never happens. Don’t know why as you would think the religious version is all that is needed for the religion-following couple. The religion can define their meaning of marriage how they want.
      
      What might have made the whole business simpler is if the state had done a search and replace across all legislation and replaced the word marriage with “civil union”. Oh well.
      
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      February 5, 2024 4:47pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Good response. Bethlehem school is State integrated with a Christian Special Character statement included in the integration agreement with the crown. It also costs money to send your kids there, so anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the Christian ethos – which is clearly set out for all to see – should definitely not send their kids there.
  
  Biological genetic dysphoria is vanishingly rare, and I have every reason to believe these people are welcome at Bethlehem (I know on of the board members quite well).
  
  However militants who demand to be recognised male and/or female and/or a rock and/or an animal are mentally unwell. They need help that few if any school are equipped to provide.
  
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  February 5, 2024 8:43am
- Paulus
  
  And Catholics do not necessarily go to a Catholic School.
  Most do though, and get a very good education.
  
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  February 5, 2024 2:03pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    A lot of Asian parents look for Christian schools – it is a signifier of a high-quality traditional education. Something they also value highly.
    
    The flight from the state system is real.
    
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    February 5, 2024 7:02pm
Albie

I wonder if the second hand market for road cones is as bad as that for second hand EV’s?
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February 5, 2024 8:23am
- Keith White
  
  Only a virgin road cone can ever enter the Kingdom of Downer.
  
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  February 5, 2024 1:05pm
- PurplePen
  
  I see Ford and Toyota and possibly another car manufacturer are winding their EV production back as they can’t see much of a future in them.
  
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  February 5, 2024 4:49pm
Chuck Bird

This is one reason I voted Act. The other is that Act does not support climate change hysteria.

The Treaty: We don’t believe Treaty of Waitangi is a partnership between races – David Seymour

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/the-treaty-we-dont-believe-the-treaty-is-a-partnership-between-races-david-seymour/GZNUEJG7XFBPDEJ72BD3NLUDDU/
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February 5, 2024 8:25am
- mandk
  
  How could it be a partnership between races?
  
  The treaty was between Māori and the Crown, not between Māori and any other race.
  
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  February 5, 2024 8:32am
- krazykiwi
  
  “We don’t believe” is code for “The Treaty never mentions partnership, and in fact it is constitutionally impossible for the Crown to enter into a partnership so we can categorically rule out any suggestion of a partnership existing”
  
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  February 5, 2024 8:36am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Is it really a matter of “belief”? It’s just the truth, isn’t it?
  
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  February 5, 2024 8:59am
  - RoboRob
    
    Ask Luxon, he doesn’t think so.
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:02am
Rusty

Barry John Wales and Lions rugby great passed away aged 79.

He was rugby’s first superstar way before Jonah Lomu.
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February 5, 2024 8:28am
- MCōs
  
  Barry John was a rugby superstar
  Jonah was a superstar. I once saw his photo on the front page of a Thai language newspaper
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He was known as the King
    
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    February 5, 2024 11:33am
slightlyrighty

I can’t shake the feeling that something nasty is going to happen at Waitangi either today or tomorrow.

Radical Maori are being whipped into a mindset that is becoming very confrontational. I expect confrontation.
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February 5, 2024 8:31am
- Ghost
  
  Nothing will happen. Iwi what to fight the government, not turn the public against them by allowing something to happen
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:35am
  - Cinematic
    
    Heh, you’re overestimating the level of critical thinking on display at Waitangi. There will be conflict.
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:48am
    - Keith White
      
      “Bring it on.” Boils should be lanced, not poulticed.
      
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      February 5, 2024 1:07pm
    - Ghost
      
      No, I’m just not hoping for violence or issues like some of you
      
      Some of you really need to take a good hard look in the mirror at what you are wanting to appease your desires of an outcome.
      
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      February 5, 2024 2:32pm
      - Keith White
        
        Projecting again, Ghost.
        
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        February 5, 2024 7:20pm
  - rouppe
    
    I hope and pray something does. To the extent that Luxon and/or Seymour are injured. Not badly. Kind of a James Shaw at the gardens injury.
    
    Not because I don’t like them, but because it will be a stark example of what Maori actually want
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:00am
    - Ghost
      
      It’s sad that you are hoping for violence. Even worse thar people support your hopes for a politican to injured.
      
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      February 5, 2024 11:40am
      - rouppe
        
        Nice swerve to suggest I hope someone is injured because they’re a politician. Which isn’t the case. Wasn’t there something the other week about me “just lying”? Who said that, I can’t remember…
        
        What I hope and pray for is that the true face of the radical Maori is laid bare by them acting on their rhetoric.
        
        Rhetoric which should be having them investigated for hate speech, but that’s another matter.
        
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        February 5, 2024 12:17pm
      - Keith White
        
        Sure, Rawiri.
        
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        February 5, 2024 1:07pm
      - Ghost
        
        Keith got anything intelligent to add or just a stupid comment
        
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        February 5, 2024 2:23pm
      - Ghost
        
        Let’s see what you said rouppe
        
        To the extent that Luxon and/or Seymour are injured. Not badly. Kind of a James Shaw at the gardens injury.
        
        So yes you are hoping a politician is injured by your own words. Suggest you man up and admit it instead of pretending those aren’t your words
        
        Absolutely pathetic and vile that there are people in the echo chamber of this blog like you that want to see, to quote you “ Luxon and/or Seymour are injured.”
        
        Grow up and stop wanting politicians to get injured to appease your desires of an outcome.
        
        People on this blog were outraged yesterday at a Māori member for what he said, yet some of you support a member on this blog calling for Luxon and/or Seymour are injured
        
        Time you people start living by what you preach instead of flip flopping one day to support violence against a politician the next
        
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        February 5, 2024 2:26pm
      - rouppe
        
        Oh for fucks sake Ghost
        
        I also said “not because I hate them, but because it will be a stark example of what Maori actually want”. Which you have conveniently ignored.
        
        You then turned that into “… your hopes for a politican to injured”. As in any politician because they’re a politician. Not what I said or implied at all. My whole point was from the actions of the Maori radicals. Not from the viewpoint of any particular view of politicians.
        
        Your problem is that you are incapable of stepping back and seeing something from any other viewpoint than your own. You decide what something is, and then that’s it. No matter what. When challenged you double down, and double down again.
        
        You are so full of your own self righteousness that you cannot consider the possibility you have something wrong.
        
        I don’t universally disagree with you, but boy oh boy you really can be a cock.
        
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        February 5, 2024 4:26pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah you just don’t have the balls to own up to what you said and what to excuse such a vile and pathetic comment
        
        I hope and pray something does. To the extent that Luxon and/or Seymour are injured.
        
        Disgusting
        
        And to want it to appease you little mind of what you think Māori want
        
        Vile
        
        I hope and pray something does. To the extent that Luxon and/or Seymour are injured.
        
        I can only imagine the outcry that would be on this blog if that was said on leftie blog. But because people sadly think this would further their agenda against Māori they resume to call out such a disgusting comment
        
        Most sane people hope and pray our prime minister is safe and given the respect he deserves, no matter who he is meeting, except you of course who hopes and prays he is injured
        
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        February 5, 2024 5:06pm
    - Paulus
      
      Maori are foaming up to violence at Waitangi tomorrow.
      Sadly it represents what New Zealand society has become – thanks Helen and Jacinda.
      Gosh, both women of sorts.
      
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      February 5, 2024 2:07pm
    - alwyn.a
      
      Shaw’s injury was not in the “not badly” category. A bone in those that make up his eye socket was fractured. That is not a trivial injury.
      
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      February 5, 2024 3:42pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    A bunch of low IQ idiots with poor impulse control being told what to think.
    
    Of course this is a tinderbox being deliberately lit.
    
    Hopefully NZ will see these idiots in their true colours. Eh Henare and Chippie, have you brought your rifles with you? Be brave, you know you want to. Or is that just “passionate rhetoric?”
    
    Rest of NZ is taking a day off, firing up the barbie and sinking a few beers.
    
    If a few activists want to wave their dicks and arses at the PM, good luck to them. Hope they smile for the camera, because the SIS will be along for a chat at some point.
    
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    February 5, 2024 7:07pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  If such a thing happens, what are the chances of MSM taking a self-critical view of their inflammatory headlines?
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:40am
  - Philview
    
    I doubt the MSM would take a self critical view. I was at Waitangi a couple of years ago and it really surprised me the lack of security out on the street for MPs.
    
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    February 5, 2024 11:31am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Bwuhahaha! Nil of course.
    
    If it bleeds it leads, the MSM is desperately hoping to have created some trouble.
    
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    February 5, 2024 7:10pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Agreed, let’s hope they make complete asses of their selves. Surely violence will not be tolerated, but it will be great for this government to have the excuse not to go next year
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:35am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yes, much as it pains this Deity to say it, I agree with Helen Clark. Leave Ngāpuhi to enjoy their day abusing those stupid enough to visit.
    
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    February 5, 2024 7:13pm
Inandout

The MSM are overly excited at the forthcoming ‘troubles’ at Waitangi. If it bleeds it leads as the old saying goes.
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February 5, 2024 8:32am
- nathie
  
  The MSM are driving this division.
  
  They are misrepresenting the coalition government.
  
  Then they give airtime to people making threats – that they dare would not do if it was the “other side”.
  
  They continually highlight “anger” in their reporting. They make it sound as if the country is falling apart.
  
  When for probably 99% of the time at Waitangi it is peaceful and welcoming.
  
  MSM need to self reflect. Especially if harm does happen. But will they? Of course not! They will blame the Coalition Govt instead.
  
  As someone said here yesterday, the MSM are wankers.
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:14am
  - Don Beckett
    
    That’s why they call it ” White Hanging Day”.
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:46am
krazykiwi

Two huge cruise ships in Wellington this morning. The passengers will help make up for the dearth of public servants who are, no doubt, ‘working from home’ today.
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February 5, 2024 8:32am
- Colville
  
  Most of those civil servants are here in Hawkes Bay on the piss!!
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:06am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s a fantastic day to be working today – I can get so much done.
  
  Better put my coffee down & get on with it. Bad KB habit!
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:06am
- imalwaysright
  
  The country would be better off if we put 80% of public servants on the dole.
  
  $500/week v $2000/week.
  
  Call it “working from home”
  
  No one would notice the difference .
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:07am
  - RoboRob
    
    Not true. Things would be better without many of them.
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:30am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Rob,
      Of course you are correct . I was trying to be believable.
      It didn’t work 🥃
      
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      February 5, 2024 1:45pm
- nathie
  
  Hope the cruise ship passengers were told to wear gumboots, a raincoat and to bring an umbrella, even on a sunny day … because of the leaking water pipes and water spouts!
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:18am
- Paulus
  
  Two Cruise ships in Tauranga too – but not for the Cricket !
  
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  February 5, 2024 2:08pm
Maggie Pie

What I didn’t know until I found a flyer in my box this morning….it’s Auckland-Pride-Month.

Most concerning to the vast majority of ratepayers, will be to find that once again Auckland City Council is listed as a “Strategic Pride Partner” 🙁

https://aucklandpride.org.nz/about-us/partners/

Really can’t help but wonder if Mayor Wayne is even aware of this?
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February 5, 2024 8:35am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Pride MONTH? I thought it was Pride Week. What the hell happened there?
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:07am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Neverm,
    
    Viagra
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP! And it runs an extra day thanks to it being a leap year 🙁
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:06am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Let’s make it Pride Year, every year. Then it will fade into the background
      
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      February 5, 2024 10:42am
  - Keith White
    
    They had PMS and needed time to menstruate.
    
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    February 5, 2024 1:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wayne Brown will not even care about a bunch of sexual deviants.
  There is a City to run, and dodgy Councilors to pull into line.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Still can’t work out why the city chief executives , previously city engineers, who are on extremely good salaries and are responsible for infrastructure management , particularly maintenance , are never on the news explaining why the cities are a mess.
    
    Why aren’t they telling councillors that their pet projects will be funded from money left over from essential infrastructure investment .
    
    Not the other way round.
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:57am
    - Paulus
      
      Councillors are only their to whitewash the Council Executive Staff and their lobby groups.
      Remember all the staff are employed by the CEO, and nothing to do with the Councillors or Mayor.
      
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      February 5, 2024 2:11pm
- Damocles11
  
  He doesn’t drive the car, the bureaucrats and ‘cultural advisors’ do. He only thinks he does. From coast to coast, north to south unelected bureaucrats and academics are remaking our country without our consent.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:51am
Clyde

It is of real concern that the hysterical rhetoric being whipped up by the East Polynesian Party, most of the media, and the elite individuals who have been at the generous teat of the previous Liemore Pardy, will result in encouraging some attendees that perhaps can’t, or won’t, think to indulge in more than strong language.

Henare’s speech about guns and bullets, that cowboy hat guy talking about a separate Parliament, and his fellow traveller talking about 3 headed monsters have a common theme and that is of hatred for anything that looks like equal treatment for all based on need.

I do hope that Coster and his team of huggers are well prepared behind the scenes.
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February 5, 2024 8:35am
- jon
  
  Clyde, to your last sentence, they wont be prepared, they are just a police unit rather than a POLICE FORCE!
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:27am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Police Farce.
    
    There, corrected it for you.
    
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    February 5, 2024 7:29pm
plc

If Maori are so concerned about the repeal of the Smoke-Free legislation and believe that the Government canning it is “genocidal”, can we assume that they would be happy if the law was only repealed to make it illegal to sell cigarettes to Maori (or people who identify as Maori)?

Seems the simplest and most satisfying solution?
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February 5, 2024 8:41am
- Damocles11
  
  Why no ‘National Hui’ on reducing Maori smoking rates? Because the overriding concern is more power & gravy for the elites.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:53am
  - Keith White
    
    They could hui this if they cared:
    
    Comparing the child homicide rate per 100,000 for Māori and non-Māori children.
    
    Between 1978 and 1987 the rates were very similar.
    
    However, between 1991 and 2000 there was a significant increase in the deaths of Māori children and a slight decrease for non-Māori children.
    
    (Mod: link is to the unpalatable facts).
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/graph/29237/child-homicide-rates-for-maori-and-non-maori
    
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    February 5, 2024 7:23pm
- PurplePen
  
  I sent that idea to Debbie Ngarewa Packed the other day. Haven’t heard back yet.
  
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  February 5, 2024 4:57pm
Chuck Bird

Dr Russell Tregonning is obviously an intelligent professional. However, with Russia under Putin, we cannot disarm. I share his concern but there are no easy answers.

NZ’s anti-nuclear stance is at risk of compromise but must be upheld

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-listener/opinion/upfront-ninety-seconds-to-doomsday/QRMBOIXOKNHHVPIYHIRXL343NQ/
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February 5, 2024 8:44am
- Handyman
  
  The New Zealand ban on nuclear weapons only applies to outgoing weapons. It does not apply to incoming nuclear missiles.
  Russia, China or Iran can bomb us without fear of being taken to court by the Green party.
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:09am
  - Keith White
    
    We could put up a sign such as I saw in my youth at the Devonport gas station after lectures:
    
    “Nuclear Free Zone.”
    
    Shirley that would work!
    
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    February 5, 2024 7:24pm
    - marcw
      
      Well Chicago is a “gun free city” – I guess that works about as effectively.
      
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      February 5, 2024 10:27pm
krazykiwi

Learned a new word today:

eleutheromania
n. A great desire for or obsession with freedom.

A good many NZers could have wanted a bit more eleutheromania over the past 4 years.
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February 5, 2024 8:50am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Just finished reading Tom Holland’s wonderful history book, Persian Fire: The First World Empire and the Battle for the West, which discusses the strange concepts of freedom and thus embedding kratos in the demos. The Greek root word, Eleutheria, comes in for more use in Hanson’s Carnage and Cuture.
  
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  February 5, 2024 3:41pm
  - Damocles11
    
    His book ‘Rubicon: The Last Years of the Roman Republic’ was a wonderful read.
    
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    February 5, 2024 8:41pm
Jake Dee

Anyone seen here seen this one yet?
https://www.speakupforwomen.nz/so/b7Orm_1F7

It’s the latest newsletter from Speak Up For Women (SUFW).
Apart from somethings about The Midwifery council, which is interesting, their big news is about The Christchurch Call.

“documents released under the OIA show that the Christchurch Call is now working to prevent “gender-based extremism” (including anti-LGBTQIA+) by targeting ‘gender-based hatred’. This could mean that the Christchurch Call seeks to oppose and suppress the views of people such as those who are gender-critical and who reject the idea that individuals can change their sex. That’s people like us, like you.”

They will be teaming up with The Free Speech Union on this one. (which I think DPF is involved in).
I don’t support SUFW financially and I only partially support them politically. They oppose radical gender ideology because they think it will be harmful to women and girls. I oppose radical gender ideology because I believe that it’s utter lunacy and it is harmful to all humans and human society. Naturally I think my position is the stronger one.
But SUFW were enormously naive if they thought that The Christchurch Call wasn’t going to be used to stifle all manner of dissent, not just the right wingers.
I think we all know the famous Martin Niemöller bit,
““First they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists, and I…” etc. etc.
Got to swap out a few terms for today but his point pretty much still holds.
So, look forward to lots of “horse-shoe theory” and maybe a Red – Brown alliance vs. The Rainbow alliance.
Plenty of fun times ahead.
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February 5, 2024 8:51am
- JerJer
  
  But the Christchurch call are a bunch of nobodies with no power. It’s just silly Jacinda inviting people that never turn up or participate.
  
  She has no power now. She tried her stupid crap at the UN or whenever that was and got laughed at but almost everyone including her own team.
  
  Men are not women, never have been, never will be. (These are biological facts, not hate speech). They should not be in women’s spaces or women’s sports even if they are wearing a dress.
  
  Go suck on that Jacinda.
  
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  February 5, 2024 4:30pm
  - PurplePen
    
    I don’t get it how anyone in the UN and Prince William’s outfit that St J is a board member how they think St J will actually get anything done. Surely they must see the results of her Chch Call efforts for the last umpteen years and see the only output is the commissioning of a report at a cost of a few million. I don’t think the report is even completed yet. Burn then, maybe they do and that’s why there’s non job offers forthcoming from the UN.
    
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    February 5, 2024 5:03pm
kiwikidsnz

“We don’t believe Treaty of Waitangi is a partnership between races” – David Seymour

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/the-treaty-we-dont-believe-the-treaty-is-a-partnership-between-races-david-seymour/GZNUEJG7XFBPDEJ72BD3NLUDDU/
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February 5, 2024 9:00am
Maggie Pie

WATCH LIVE ON THE HORRID

Just been watching Tame Iti arrive at the treaty grounds with his hikoi.
No matter what some people think, you really can’t help but luv the guy.
He’s such a ‘Showman’ 😀 😀 😀
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February 5, 2024 9:00am
- RoboRob
  
  Saw his ‘art installation’ on TV this morning. To me his peeps in white with big white flag looked like the KKK walking down the road.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:06am
  - jon
    
    RoboRob, just seen this report on Sky News, protestors dressed in white with these large white type flags held aloof crossing the Treaty House lawn. Certainly resemble a gathering of the Ku Klux Klan. Not sure the Klan would be too impressed.
    
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    February 5, 2024 4:18pm
  - Keith White
    
    My understanding the KKK got their name – allegedly – from the sounds a firearm of that era mad when being cocked.
    
    What shall we suggest for the PPP (Peeni’s Projectile Project)? Or is PPP self-explanatory?
    
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    February 5, 2024 7:26pm
- RoboRob
  
  Some things never change, same old faces, same old complaints. The most interesting thing will be what is thrown at Luxon this year:)
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:07am
- pdm
  
  Bare arsed?
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:08am
- Cassandra
  
  No thanks, I don’t luv the guy. Waitangi is just an opportunity for grifters to moan.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Showman? I was at a National Rockhound Show a few years ago. Mother inlaw was a rocky (cut the stones and polish)
  Tame Iti was at a stand selling jade, and pointing out different jade types.
  “This jade, he come from British Columbia” “Maori Pounamu a true jade”
  Illiterate.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner has a large artwork by Tame hanging in his office.
    Purchased it at auction about 10 years ago. It’s much admired by all those who set eyes on it. Although not the sort of thing I’d want in the house. But that’s just me.
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:41am
    - Keith White
      
      Does your partner use it for Peeni-style target practice?
      
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      February 5, 2024 7:27pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The Treaty confirms that Maoris can keep their taonga. Fair enough. But what does taonga mean? On the face of it, this would mean things like meeting houses, carvings, boats, meres, etc. It probably wasn’t thought to be an issue at the time, but the language and tattoos are not an unreasonable stretch.

What is more than a stretch is the granting of spectrum to Maoris because spectrum is interpreted as a taonga. To me, this reads like a change to the supposedly immutable treaty.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/crown-signs-over-quarter-share-of-5g-spectrum-to-maori/
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February 5, 2024 9:03am
- rouppe
  
  To me, taonga is something you possess.
  
  Maori hadn’t discovered the wheel, mettalurgy, magnetism, and science was pretty much limited to making fire.
  
  Everything else was introduced here by way of colonialism.
  
  The electro magnetic spectrum is a colonial artifact. It can’t be a Maori taonga. You don’t see any other cultures claiming it. Not aboriginals, native Americans, any colonial African country.
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:07am
  - mandk
    
    No ceramics either.
    
    The people who built Stonehenge 4,500 years ago were more technologically advanced.
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:32am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Or Gobekli Tepe (12000 years ago).
      
      Most Eurasian African and North American peoples had efficient projectile weapons (spears half a million years old, arrows 70k years, slings 10k or more, Alatls 20k years etc) with flint heads too. But not Maori.
      
      Maori didn’t even have pottery (30k years old tech)
      
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      February 5, 2024 12:13pm
  - Taieri
    
    To me, taonga is something you possess.
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    It can only refer to something Maori possessed in 1840. Anything acquired after that can’t be “taonga” mentioned in the treaty.
    
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    February 5, 2024 12:41pm
- Burtland
  
  pakehas most precious taonga were underpants – Im pleased they are now shared
  – maybe godzilla Tuku should show some gratitude
  
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  February 5, 2024 12:49pm
- Paulus
  
  Aotearoa is Maori Taonga surely ?
  That is what it is all about plus MONEY.
  
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  February 5, 2024 2:14pm
- PurplePen
  
  Wasn’t it Hongi Hika who said taonga was stuff you obtained from battle and wiping out the neighbours. … found it “property procured by the spear” – Hongi Hika.
  
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  February 5, 2024 5:07pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes, the definition “Taonga – Property procured by the spear” is dated 1820 and is found in first Māori dictionary written by Cambridge University’s Professor Lee. Hongi Hika travelled to England with missionary Thomas Kendall and worked on the dictionary, so it is probable this definition was Hika’s.
    
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    February 5, 2024 5:53pm
Surely Knott

Front page news, 49 school staff have mass “covid outbreak”when Waitangi Day falls on a Tuesday. Covid or 4 day weekend?
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February 5, 2024 9:07am
- imalwaysright
  
  Does anyone know why teachers gave so many holidays ?
  Why aren’t they running summer school and inter term school for kids to catch up or get ahead?
  
  Why aren’t they assigned to the nearest prison to educate the ones they missed the first time?
  
  They are used to not working and therefore resent the children.
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:12am
Cassandra

“Māori are a partner to the Crown. Iwi are a partner to the Crown.” Syas Lady Moxon, a Maori leader. And that’s the problem – if we can establish, finally,;that “akin to a partnership” was an accidental exaggeration by Cooke and that neither version of the ToW includes partnership then we can put all this behind us.
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February 5, 2024 9:12am
- mandk
  
  Impossible.
  
  You can’t be a subject of the Crown and a partner of the Crown at the same time.
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:27am
  - Taieri
    
    What is the Crown in 2024?
    Is it the Monarch? But the Monarch only plays a very marginal role in 2024’s NZ, essentially acting via the GG as a rubber stamp..
    Is it the Parliament? But the Parliament is supposed to represent all New Zealanders, regardless of their race and ethnicity.
    The logical conclusion the is that “the Crown” is the State and its all inhabitants, since a state can’t exist without inhabitants. That includes the Maori.
    As an aside, we are not “subjects” of the Crown. We are citizens of New Zealand.
    
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    February 5, 2024 12:47pm
    - mandk
      
      I don’t agree about us not being subjects.
      
      Our rights and duties as citizens are given to us by the Crown.
      
      The New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 came into effect only because it had the assent of the monarch.
      
      And if you were to be prosecuted for an offence, it would be the Crown prosecuting you.
      
      Granted, this is largely legal technicality, and it could change if NZ became a republic.
      
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      February 5, 2024 4:32pm
      - julesnzuk
        
        Fortunately New Zealand will not become a republic (it is already a de facto one anyway).
        
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        February 6, 2024 2:29am
    - julesnzuk
      
      The Crown is the executive layer of the government. So the judiciary represent the Crown, the Army swear allegiance to the Crown etc. It’s not just symbolic, it has legal status and those who think it isn’t relevant in 2024 should be very careful about what they propose to replace it with. There is a reason why NZ (along with Aus, Canada and the UK) have been among the most stable countries in the world to date.
      
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      February 6, 2024 2:28am
- Keith White
  
  “Lady”. Is that Maori-era aristocracy? Gosh. Who knew.
  
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  February 5, 2024 7:28pm
cmm

A “one day covid outbreak”?
I wonder how many are “feeling a bit better” by this afternoon?
It looks like not all the government skivers are in Wellington.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350168469/covid-outbreak-closes-canterbury-school-one-day-new-term
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February 5, 2024 9:18am
- greybeard
  
  “Half the teachers who were off sick had the shakes and sweats, Kearney said.”
  Yeah, hangovers do that to me too.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:23am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Am I the only dumb arse who has actually applied for a days annual leave for today. Whereas many others seem to have woken up feeling a bit sick.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:26am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Next year, put in your application now, for three days leave 22-24 April 2025. What with Easter Monday and Anzac Day it will make a good break. And in 2025 I think the Auckland and Wellington Anniversary day holidays should be put back, one year only, to 7th February.
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You will notice that nobody will have Covid on Wednesday.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:29am
  - imalwaysright
    
    S
    Don’t bet on it.
    They won’t see the point of going in just for three days.
    Mendal helf! more days off.
    
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    February 5, 2024 10:17am
Positan

On a call from an overseas friend who’d seen some of the Waitangi clips, he mentioned that we were surely a truly backward nation. He said most of the world’s civilised peoples have grown and developed past the primitive stage of prancing and yelling and tongue-poking – especially doing so semi-naked. He laughed at the fact that we in NZ, a supposedly civilised, 21st century people, pay such attention to primitives pretending to be intimidating and demanding “rights” they never had.

“How can you expect to be taken seriously when you bow to such nonsense,” he asked from his distant viewpoint, “frankly, you don’t deserve to be thought as civilised.”
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February 5, 2024 9:30am
- MCōs
  
  Which ‘overseas country’ would that be?
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:21am
- I remember when
  
  Maori are in the same poistion as the Coalition Government, which is that they need to balance the way forward.
  On the one hand they need to recognise and be proud of their past while on the other they need to ensure they don’t let it hold them back.
  It starts with them distancing themselves from the gangs, making education a priority and working with the government on health and wellbeing.
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:22am
nathie

Caught a bit of Shane Jones explaining to Red Radio and being positive on Maori/Pakeha relations going forward.

To me the coalition government is in the driving seat to enact better outcomes for Maori/Pakeha/immigrants/communities etc.

Because they have stood up (to face the flack from the Left/MSM) and are engaging with Maori/Pakeha/immigrants/communities etc.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018924783/nz-first-determined-to-rebuild-new-zealand-s-pride-shane-jones

Which got me thinking how utterly useless Labour are. Labour were and are cowards. They did nothing to undertake conversations with Maori/Pakeha/immigrants/communities etc.

Instead they took their cues from the far-left radical activists and tried to quietly implement change behind the scenes (like in the public services and dishing out millions from the covid fund to advance their agenda eg Maori Health Authority etc).

Then when Labour started to fall in the polls, and received push back not only from the Right but also the bewildered centrist (swing) voters, Labour started panicking.

Ardern cut and run completely. Never to be heard from again for most of 2023 (even now in 2024).

Hipkins took over as PM a year ago and halted ‘maorification” efforts.

So what does this say of Labour? If they had the courage of National/ACT/NZF they could have led the national conversation with Maori on their side but also listening to Pakeha concerns and thus tempering their policies.

But they didn’t. So what does this say of their leadership that didn’t want to engage with NZers? What does this say of their large Maori caucus that didn’t do anything either? What about the rest of the Labour MP’s? Nothing but silence and smugness as they were “right” and everyone else that had concerns were “racists”!

In the end they lost because they didn’t bring NZers over with them. Despite their landslide win in 2020, they crashed and burned in 2023. Now the Greens are smarting they will effectively be eliminating them and become the main Left wing party.

Oh dear. So as to Ardern’s legacy? Clearly a failure. Unable to motivate NZers. Spent her time avoiding grown up conversations preferring to visit kindergartens and primary schools or hang out on social media with her admirers. Clearly NZ’s most useless incompetent and division causing PM ever. Good riddance and please don’t come back.

So what does this say of Hipkins? Chickened out as PM (by slowing down change for Maori) then talks the big talk now he is in Opposition. Suggest that Hipkins will ultimately continue to lose support from both sides of the issue depending on which audience he is facing at the time. So could Hipkins be Labour’s new Cunliffe? An expert at speaking out of both sides of his mouth to different audiences? How did that play out?

In the meantime National/ACT/NZF will ultimately win more support from Maori as the coalition continues to make improvements from all.

(Sure not radical activist Maori or the leftie MSM will support this – they will continue to stir and denigrate – remember according to radical activist Maori, they never ceded sovereignty to the Crown. You can’t win with them hence why Labour have painted themselves into the corner of irrelevance to middle NZers).

So next time we see the MSM news with Labour’s Hipkins and his MP’s spouting divisive nonsense and nodding their heads in agreement, let’s laugh at them because not only are they fools they are the ultimate losers.
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February 5, 2024 9:31am
- Ruawai
  
  National, Act and NZ First need to enact actual change ASAP that will materially improve lives of Maori. These changes would be forcing children to attend school and let them know they are lucky to have a free education. Making sure all medical appointments are kept and educating them to seek medical help early. Kianga Ora start evicting undesirable tenants. Somehow trying to solve OT and educating people not to get high and drunk and hit their children.
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:10am
  - rouppe
    
    Pretty basic things to start with, and it’s the starting that’s important.
    
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    February 5, 2024 11:15am
  - cmm
    
    Kids are already legally forced to go to school.
    The problem is not lawmak8ng but execution of existing laws.
    But the biggest thing Maori need is agency – taking responsibility for your decisions and outcomes.
    Everything anyone needs is available to anyone in NZ. Just get off your arse and do it.
    
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    February 5, 2024 2:10pm
  - mawm
    
    Ruawai – all these need to come from the community but there is nothing wrong with the government giving them encouragement and support.
    
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    February 5, 2024 3:30pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Chippie got to have PM on his cv. End of.
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:45am
Maggie Pie

Thort my partner just came up with another brilliant saying….

“Maori will remain rooted in the past until they come
to the realisation that the world is for the living”

(This is one of the reasons I was sooo attracted to him)
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February 5, 2024 9:33am
- Damocles11
  
  ‘Rooted’ is the right word.
  
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  February 5, 2024 4:25pm
Ghost

Damn, perhaps there are better things for Tauranga to spend money on than this, perhaps it’s time to replace the commissioners

Tauranga City Council has purchased The Warehouse building at 483 Cameron Road which will house four new indoor courts as part of the Memorial Park redevelopment.

The sale went unconditional on Wednesday and Tauranga City Council acting chief executive Paul Davidson says he anticipates the new facility will be up and running later this year which will coincide with the decommissioning of the Queen Elizabeth Youth Centre building (which includes Memorial Hall).

Article

Meanwhile in Timaru

A double-page advertising spread questioning the necessity of a $57 million upgrade of the Timaru’s Theatre Royal, and creation of a heritage hub, has been the talk of the town since it ran on Thursday.

Article
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February 5, 2024 10:01am
- NothingLeft
  
  If a small town like Timaru needs a venue for a theatre (chronically low utilisation money pits) then big industrial building on low value land (allowing for cheap parking) is the way to go in an era where everyone has cars.
  
  Same for all council buildings; they don’t need to be in the CBD, stick them on cheap land on the outskirts.
  
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  February 5, 2024 12:21pm
I remember when

You want a rock-star economy? Maori have cracked it: Sunday Star Times.
The Maori economy was valued at $70b.
In 2021 Deloitte estimated that $6.9 billion in assets were held by the top ten iwi organisation.
Maori were diversifying beyond agriculture, fishing and forestry (34% of the asset base) to real estate services, manufacturing, transportation, construction and others (66%).

Ngai Tahu, for example, is a registered charity in the same way that Sanitarium is.

Are Maori still being left behind?
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February 5, 2024 10:08am
- nathie
  
  But but but isn’t this effectively Capitalism?
  
  But Labour, Greens and TPM always say Capitalism is a failure! Jacinda told us that back in the day and now Chloe said so last week.
  
  Labour, but in particular the Greens and TPM need to come clean. Because surely their rhetoric means they will also be wanting to “nationalise” Maori/Tribal businesses. So the State controls everything, surely, if they are being true to themselves? Think how many extra public servants will be needed! Will they bulldoze Newtown to create new office tower accommodation?
  
  Are Labour and in particular the Greens and TPM aiming to breach Ti Tiriti? How dare they! Time for Maori to rise up and march upon the taniwha called Labour, Greens and TPM and unleash Peeni Henare’s metaphoric guns on them!
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:32am
- MCōs
  
  “The Maori economy was valued at $70b
  . . . . .
  Are Maori still being left behind?”
  
  What is that supposed to mean?
  
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  February 5, 2024 10:41am
  - Jack5
    
    NZ’s gross GDP is close to quarter of a trillion NZ dollars, or about three and a half times the amount the Sunday newspaper attributes to the “Maori economy”.
    
    How did it measure the Maori economy? Totalling assets? How can you get an accurate value of Maori land, for example, when it’s inalienable – can’t be sold. There is no market for it.
    
    Ngai Tahu, probably the wealthiest tribe, has about 40 businesses operating free of company tax under its group charity listing. In the annual report linked to below, you will see that its net assets at June 30, 2023, were just under $1.8 billion.
    
    Where did Sunday newspaper’s estimate of the Maori economy come from? Throwing in the name of one of the big accounting firms in a passing mention isn’t a sufficient basis.
    
    Is the Left-leaning mainstream media now using Maori-style metaphoric language in its financial analyses?
    
    You can download the 2023 Ngai Tahu annual report here:
    
    https://ngaitahu.iwi.nz/assets/Documents/TRONT-AR2023-FinancialSummaryA4-compressed.pdf
    
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    February 5, 2024 11:08am
  - Dave
    
    If the figures are accurate, then the non-Maori economy, on a population proportionate basis should be about $350b and the total NZ economy about $420b, well in excess of our GDP, which implies the Maori economy is massively outperforming the non-Maori; so, are Maori still being left behind in the economy?
    
    Or do we need to look much more closely at what is meant by “the Maori economy and how it relates to GDP?
    
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    February 5, 2024 9:07pm
- rouppe
  
  Charities law and taxation needs to be overhauled.
  
  I am a GST registered, self employed IT contractor. Just like I can’t claim every single expense against my taxes, and all my income is subject to taxation, charities shouldn’t have 100% deductibility.
  
  Perhaps deduct actual charitable activities, but the actual charitable activities of any given charity is pretty opaque
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:10am
- Paulus
  
  With looking at Trust Tax changes underway at present as started by Labour will Maori with their tens of thousands of Trusts actually pay tax – understand they do not even make returns currently.
  Remember most Maori does not pay rates, which are written off every year.
  Why should not tax free Charities not pay tax ?
  
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  February 5, 2024 2:21pm
- miltonF
  
  Yah. They are doing well because they don’t pay tax.
  
  The MSM and deranged socialists are SO close to having an epiphany. Maybe we could ALL be successful if we didn’t have to pay tax…or had to pay a lesser amount.
  
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  February 5, 2024 4:35pm
- tf78
  
  I’m guessing it’s Maori contractors that do all the $300k speed humps – great business. It’s about time the councils did proper tendering practices.
  
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  February 5, 2024 7:49pm
Damocles11

Why are the corporate Nats and their backers in the corporate hinterland so reticent about confronting Maori separatism? Because it’s ‘not good for business’. There are no dollars in it. Who cares about doing what is right and resolving an issue for the good of all.
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February 5, 2024 10:17am
PurplePen

We’re off to a good start today, and it’s not even 10:30 yet. Wanted to post this letter to editor in the ODT today from a VH Markham .. haven’t quite understood it all yet, but I get the gist of it and like it.
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Battle of the high c’s
As a critic of Mr Jerry Walton Philippa Jamieson (ODT 26.1.24) is being more than a little disingenuous in assuming that he, a highlyskilled, vastly experienced, intellectually honest and compassionate health professional is not completely aware of all of the social expressions of the deficits, as well as the clinical determinants of illhealth within the entire New Zealand community.
Respect for patient autonomy, one of the basic principles of the practice of medicine, is not unidirectional. It implies that input is required of the patient in order for there to be informed consent
The negativity and belligerence associated with racial reductionism so prevalent now in our society is the result of a determined misreconstruction of history. Insistence on the use of the “c” word – “colonisation” as a descriptor encourages misguided thinking. Rationality born of composure and maturity suggests that there is, however, an appropriate “c” word that defines the history of New Zealand settlement with greater fidelity — “civilisation”.
V. H. Markham
Dunedin [Abridged — length]
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February 5, 2024 10:25am
krazykiwi

“Dead People Should Be Able to Change Their Gender”

— Charlotte Nichols, UK Labour MP
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February 5, 2024 10:58am
- Inandout
  
  krazy, proof benders are quite mad.
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:15am
- Sacha
  
  Of course they should. What’s the problem, Charlie?
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:29am
- Jack5
  
  The Woke will be rolling over in their graves …😄
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:34am
- gravedodger
  
  What a great step forward only post mortem, solves everything.
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:42am
- Ghost
  
  The case the woman is fighting for is an underage, 16 year old Trans person who was murdered before they were old enough to change their gender. If it brings peace of mind to the parents then I’d have no problem with it. They’ve gone through hell with the murder of their child
  
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  February 5, 2024 11:54am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I have a problem with it, because: –
    1. It is patently ridiculous
    2. It is a can of worms
    3. It is a detraction from 1,000,001 more important things
    4. It is unsubstantiable. Did that person person wanted to ‘change’ their gender? Is there a sworn affidavit from the person concerned, or just the word of their parents, or parents (c.f. #2)
    5. It is more woke madness of the type the world needs less of
    
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    February 5, 2024 3:04pm
    - Ghost
      
      Looking at wiki it looks like that the persons gender and name they live by can be used on their death certificate
      
      https://transsafety.network/posts/coroner-confirms-grc-death-cert/
      
      It might be woke madness, but to the family it’s their child, and how their child wanted to be known and remembered. At the end of the day if they use her transgender name on the death certificate it doesn’t harm anyone, it means nothing to you, or me, but to them it does.
      
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      February 5, 2024 3:15pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        It does harm people. Public record have a public purpose that goes far beyond the emotional feelings of any particular person. By writing down that this man was a woman, this child had no father, or two fathers or two mothers, you are falsifying the records of society. This can only have a detrimental effect on society in the long term.
        
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        February 5, 2024 7:37pm
- Keith White
  
  Since they can still vote after death, fair enough!
  
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  February 5, 2024 7:30pm
Jack5

Change of topic: looking forward rather than back.

Artificial intelligence is creating ructions in the art world.

One of the issues is that AI programs train their systems by scanning tens of thousands of illustrations and linking them to verbal descriptions.

For example, the great international agency, Getty Images, is suing Stable Diffusion, one of the leading art-AI firms, over use of its pictures, alleging breach of copyright (second link below).

You can see for yourself how skilled AI image programs have become by downloading one of the free versions.

If you want to update your knowledge of the surge in AI programs, and have 18 minutes to spare, watch this video by Christopher Barnatt, skilled in technology and excellent at explaining it (and he links to free downloadable programs that demonstrate image AI):

https://youtu.be/f2hV-kpG-8g?si=tc61GgTEWmcYicJQ

Getty Images sues AI firm:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/4/23988403/getty-lawsuit-stability-ai-copyright-infringement
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February 5, 2024 11:27am
jon

KIWIBLOGGERS, feeling powerless over the antics at Waitangi and the MSM one sided narrative in support? Consider going to Hobson’s Pledge and adding your signature to the open letter to the Government asking them “TO RESTORE A COLOUR-BLIND DEMOCRACY TO NZ”. As at 11.30am today 25,558 had signed.
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February 5, 2024 11:47am
- Grunter
  
  Here’s the link
  https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/open_letter_to_the_coalition
  
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  February 5, 2024 1:04pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Maiki Sherman’s running a story on this for One News tonight…
  
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  February 5, 2024 1:42pm
Elli

I wonder in which world our politicians live that they think women want to ruled by angry maori who, when anything happens that they don’t like, start yelling about violence. Nothing has polarised me on where I stand more than hearing people threaten each other. Thanks, but no thanks, a referendum can’t come soon enough. I’m so annoyed by the abdication of leadership that I kinda want someone to get hit at Waitangi,
– someone important – so that the whole fraudulent show comes tumbling down.
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February 5, 2024 11:54am
Maggie Pie

What I meant to mention earlier, last night we watched Season 2 of ….
‘Apartment Nightmares – a Living Hell’ hosted by HOBANZ director John Gray.
It screens on Sky Open @8:30. Next Sunday concentrates on Auckland.

OMG! For anyone thinking of buying an Apartment you need to watch this first.

FARRRRRRK 🙁
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February 5, 2024 11:58am
rouppe

Oh the whining…

Hybrid car owners trying to remove plugs to avoid road user charges

Isn’t that tax evasion? What happened to “pay your fair share”?
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February 5, 2024 12:27pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Removing the plug misses the point. EV batteries are heavy, thereby contributing to road wear over & above what the comparable petrol powered vehicle does.
  
  If, in addition to the plug, they removed the battery, electric motors & related gubbins, then why not reclassify the hybrid to petrol only. But, I doubt that would be cost-effective.
  
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  February 5, 2024 1:48pm
- wreck1080
  
  Completely replace fuel taxes with road user charges? I don’t see any other fair method.
  
  Firstly though, we should address non-essential spending on things like cycleways and $600,000 dollar pedestrian crossings.
  
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  February 5, 2024 2:13pm
- JerJer
  
  Yep. Cars sales figures for Jan show EVs crashing to less that 4% of new car sales. People pulling plugs from their useless Hybrids and Toyota and GM pulling back on EVs and reinvesting in next generation petrol engines. The complaining from those who own the lemons is going to be priceless.
  
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  February 5, 2024 4:38pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJKRzIApHAE
Mayor Eric Adams Declares The Migrant Crisis Will Destroy NYC.
Dive into the heart of New York City, where an unfolding crisis reveals the unseen challenges faced by both native New Yorkers and newly arrived migrants. In this eye-opening video, we explore how the city’s once-abundant resources are now stretched to their limits, leading to unprecedented strains on local shelters and community services. Discover the real-life impact of overcrowded shelters, the competition for basic needs, and the tough decisions made as the city grapples with a surge of asylum seekers amidst federal inaction.
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February 5, 2024 1:08pm
Clyde

I don’t know about you, but why in the hell should representatives of our Government be subjected to the absolute bullshit going on in Waitangi?

A bunch of overweight, under-dressed out of work idiots prancing round waving sticks demanding respect. Then show off your little willie in the face of David Seymour and do the old brown eye.

Then of course, when a woman dares to speak the “customary” starting of another wailing and moaning, which puts a halt on listening.

Topped off with the normal line-up of elite, teat sucking airheads like Tamahere to utter all the threats he can.

If I was Luxon and co, I’d say to the organising crowd that we came to listen, to put our point of view, but you have shown contempt. We won’t be staying for tea and won’t be back.
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February 5, 2024 1:08pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o16vBPjkNAQ
Mayor Yemi emphasizes that Colorado Springs isn’t a sanctuary city.
Mayor Mobolade affirmed that Colorado Springs is not a sanctuary city and no one is inviting Denver’s problem here. [The mayor should give them transport vouchers to Martha’s Vineyard.]
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February 5, 2024 1:08pm
Grunter

I see the Chinese Stock Exchange took another dive last week (down -6.2% in a week). That is its worst week since 2018. In 3 years its value has eroded by $6 Trillion (USD).

Meantime, the real estate market is collapsing. Real Estate makes up about 35% of China’s economy, so this is big. Reportedly there are 65 million empty homes/units. The big property developers are going to the wall owing more than USD 500 Billion combined. Millions of buyers are being left high and dry after signing up for units “off the plan” with a 30% deposit (now gone) plus a mortgage that kicks in before the house is even built.

The Local Govt Funding Vehicles (which are literally ponzi schemes based on local land sales) are now starting to collapse as there is no new money coming in to provide liquidity to property developers.

This must be causing nightmares for the central planners in Beijing let alone the families that are seeing their life savings and more vanish overnight.
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February 5, 2024 1:21pm
- krazykiwi
  
  CCP central management catalyzed with obsequiousness and bribe-paying from the small operators. What could possibly go wrong?
  
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  February 5, 2024 1:55pm
- wreck1080
  
  China’s biggest problem is their population collapse.
  
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  February 5, 2024 2:03pm
  - kowtow
    
    What , not their communist ruling elites?
    
    Whom we have such a penchant for sucking up to.
    
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    February 5, 2024 2:41pm
- Keith White
  
  “How sad. Anyway…”
  
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  February 5, 2024 7:31pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, this is sooo funny just had to share 😀 😀 😀

It’s the very reason I keep a spare-key hidden under the 3rd rock from the sun

https://twitter.com/Itsfletchisback/status/1752802431824474501

(Full screen/sound up)
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February 5, 2024 1:57pm
wreck1080

Maori appear to be gunning for war.

They are claiming that pakeha are committing genocide against maori, foreign companies are raping maori , and demanding a separate maori state. They’re all extremely serious allegations and demands.

Elite Maori are using the uneducated and unemployed as their goon squad. I’m sure it was one of these goons who tried to attack David Seymour today.

If only Maori could figure out that education is their path to success.
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February 5, 2024 2:02pm
- kevn
  
  wreck… They are just so stupid.
  Thinking NZer’s will not listen to their ravings and psycho behaviour.
  
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  February 5, 2024 2:24pm
  - greybeard
    
    Not all are stupid: the clever ones go to Uni, set up companies, make successes of themselves, and shut up, while at the same time encouraging the idiot ones to rebel, protest, alienate and cause mayhem.
    All of these maori protesters and activists at Waitangi are tools of their own people.
    
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    February 5, 2024 4:19pm
kevn

Maggie… I think the woman also p*ssed on herself as she gracefully tumbled in the window.
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February 5, 2024 2:10pm
lifesgood

Just watched Winston Peters’ speech at Waitangi. My word he is excelling himself. I was never a fan of the man, especially after her treasonous siding with the Labour Party in 2017, but I’m starting to be a fan of him now. He socked it to the morons at Waitangi good and proper and he can because he’s a Maori.
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February 5, 2024 2:25pm
Maggie Pie

WAITANGI UP DATE….

‘ACT leader David Seymour faced a kahui (of) kaiwero (warriors).
One of the warriors lifted his maro (loin cloth) to reveal his penis to the political parties during the powhiri. He then licked his rakau (stick) and bared his butt. This can be interpreted as a challenge to the Crown’

– RNZ LIVE 5 FEB. @11:51AM

Charming 😎
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February 5, 2024 2:29pm
- igm
  
  Disgusting bastard!
  
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  February 5, 2024 2:39pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Was David tempted to flash his, what would have been the outcome if David’s was bigger than the Kaiwero, does he win ?, would they need to have a sword fight, would the wahines be tapping on his window tonight, the mind boggles
  
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  February 5, 2024 2:50pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The troulbe is with being a white boy he’d have immediately been arrested for indecent exposure.
    
    It;s different when the left do it.
    
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    February 5, 2024 3:14pm
    - Damocles11
      
      David is Maori though, probably has more Maori blood than some of the eye rolling tongue pokers who were confronting him.
      
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      February 5, 2024 4:29pm
    - Souvlaki
      
      …’dressed to the left ‘ you mean…?
      
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      February 5, 2024 5:03pm
- Damocles11
  
  You have to love Seymours dry sense of humour:
  
  ‘Addressing the pōwhiri for the government leaders on Monday, David Seymour described it as “pretty fiery”.
  
  “Those guys were giving it everything … one guy apparently lost his pants at one point. That’s commitment for you.”’
  
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  February 5, 2024 4:32pm
- H. Upmann
  
  DS should have burst out laughing while pointing at it.
  
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  February 5, 2024 7:06pm
herb1

Maori leaders and their supporters are regularly and loudly , proclaiming “ honour the treaty”
That’s not what they want at all. If it was , then their gravy train would rapidly end.
What they really want is the acceptance of their regular reinterpretations of the treaty
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February 5, 2024 3:04pm
Ghost

If true it will be an interesting interview. amazing, calling to ban him from re-entering the USA.

Russian media outlet “Mash” reports that former Fox News host Tucker Carlson was seen at the Bolshoi Theater in Moscow in recent days. On the social media platform X, there’s enormous interest in Carlson’s trip and speculation about whether he plans to interview Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Article
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February 5, 2024 4:16pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Putin is no saint, but I also doubt that he’s the devil as is constantly asserted by the hawkish and their supportive media. To be clear, invading a country is wrong on almost every level, and so is using a proxy-war to launder federal funds back to war machine corporate interests, no doubt with “big guy”/Dem donations attached. If Carlson does interview Putin I suspect he’ll need to keep an eye out for little red dots on his upper torso.
  
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  February 5, 2024 5:20pm
  - wreck1080
    
    In many ways Putin is the last man standing up for the conservative values that the west has lost. Values and principles such as family, and national pride — they’ve been eroded in the west.
    
    More accurately, these values still exist but people are too afraid to voice an opinion. Look at JK Rowling, for example.
    
    Although, on the other hand Putin is a dictator tyrant!!
    
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    February 5, 2024 5:40pm
    - kowtow
      
      wreck
      the only “values” Putin stands for are Putin’s.
      
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      February 5, 2024 9:29pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        Putin has been the leader of Russia for more than 20 years. There’s no way that happens without wide popular support. He’s not a magician.
        
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        February 5, 2024 11:09pm
  - MCōs
    
    “Putin is no saint”
    
    You got that right.
    
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    February 5, 2024 6:01pm
  - cmm
    
    Bottom line is that none of us have met Putin or really know what his intentions are or those of his supporters. Nor have any of us met Biden or Trump, but we’ve likely met some of their supporters.
    
    All we have to go with is the picture painted of Putin in the media.
    
    Most of us have little trust in the media’s portrayal of Seymour or Luxon or Chloe.
    
    But we should accept their portrayal of Putin? Right, that makes a pile of sense!
    
    I assume that everything we’re being told in the MSM is a lie and that they are deliberately trying to manipulate us. If you go with the polar opposite of what they are saying then you’re probably closer to the truth, but not necessarily so.
    
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    February 5, 2024 6:42pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Well, ok, I take the point. But, Chloe, for all her many, many faults, has not actually invaded another country, as far as I know.
      
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      February 5, 2024 7:41pm
    - MCōs
      
      Going by your logic all we have to go with is the picture painted of, let’s say Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot, in the media too
      
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      February 5, 2024 10:23pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        No, not at all. Once a man is dead or the regime collapses, historians and other investigators get access to personal testimonies and official documents, we don’t have to rely on the New York Times or the BBC.
        The story of SIR Jimmy Saville is an excellent example of that, the lies protecting him evaporated once he died. Look at what the BBC was saying about him a few weeks before and then a few weeks after his death. That was a pretty amazing testimony to how much we should trust the establishment media.
        
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        February 5, 2024 11:19pm
Maggie Pie

GOD that Annette Sykes is a piece of work!
Calls out David Seymour…. “for not speaking te reo”

So what about His-Royal-Highness-the-Maori King…
He don’t speak it either hunny.

LOL!!!
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February 5, 2024 4:28pm
- Graeme Hall
  
  I’m pretty sure David Seymour can speak Maori as he did deliver a speech in said language recently. Maybe he can see no point in pandering to his critics.
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/read-and-watch-seymour-delivers-state-of-the-nation-speech/ar-BB1hmduC
  
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  February 5, 2024 5:29pm
Maggie Pie

I vaguely recall a commenter here yesterday getting a bit upset over the interpretation put on Peeni Henare’s savage outburst at Waitangi for a “call to arms”…… claiming it was nothing more than metaphorical hyperbole.

Well, that’s not how even Bishop Brian himself saw it either….

https://twitter.com/BrianTamakiNZ/status/1754037547003744710
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February 5, 2024 4:57pm
Chris Nisbet

Great video by Rowan Dean about Aussie funding of Hamas and the farmers’ (anti-net zero insanity) protests in Europe. Those protests are massive!

Of course you could just wait until One News covers it all tonight.
Snigger.

https://youtu.be/1pmEUU7LuAM?si=ecFLqzaGEvQtVinX
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February 5, 2024 5:44pm
Damocles11

Lots of violent and coarse talk from Maori on OneEwes tonight. I heard “squash your nose” directed at Seymour from one, then talk of “start with an upper cut, you’re gonna get one back”. Hone Harawira said “your sh*tty a*se bill is going straight down the toilet”. Disgusting.
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February 5, 2024 6:10pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  We saw that too 🙁
  As my partner opined…. “surely it’s time to just drop all this old Waitangi crap and let the government get on with giverning the country. What’s does the taxpayer gain from any of it ffs? They’re saying more than 50,000 unemployed will be there tomorrow. Get a haircut ans get a real job!”
  
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  February 5, 2024 6:36pm
- AitchW
  
  Yeah. I made a conscious decision to watch no coverage of the Waitangi tantrum. Why encourage the attention seeking wankers?
  
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  February 5, 2024 8:22pm
sht1971

Did Michael Baker on Newshub really say he saw no sign of the government providing free RATS. Shame on them all
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/01/government-extends-free-rapid-antigen-tests-for-covid-19-to-end-of-june.html
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February 5, 2024 6:23pm
Swifty

I see Debbie Ngarewa-Packer now resorts to openly lying about the government’s aspirations and policies:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ToEc6x_r1hs

And she does it so casually. So openly.

It really does show New Zealanders what sort of person she is.
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February 5, 2024 6:39pm
Maggie Pie

Admittedly it been a while.
But do you remember when a footlong at Subway was $16.00?
Well now they’re 27 bucks!

Last time for us. You can get a Red Duck Curry for that.
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February 5, 2024 7:18pm
- Ghost
  
  Stopping buying them a year ago. They went to shit. Cheaper and nicer to get a filled roll
  
  Appears last year was the first year in a while they have opened more shops than they have closed
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/for-the-1st-time-in-7-years-subway-opened-more-stores-than-it-closed/ar-BB1hFp7T
  
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  February 5, 2024 7:21pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I think you right. Couldn’t believe it when my partner walked in the door and said it was 54 bucks for 2 subs!!
    
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    February 5, 2024 7:42pm
Ghost

Cyberflashing, epilepsy-trolling and fake news to put online abusers behind bars from today

Abusers, trolls, and predators online now face a fleet of tough new jailable offences from today (Wednesday 31 January), as offences for ‘cyberflashing’, sending death threats, and ‘epilepsy-trolling’ are written into the statute book after the Online Safety Act gained Royal Assent.

Uk gov
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February 5, 2024 7:42pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Well bros – The downfall of this Coalition of Chaos has started…Bye bye Luxon…Nice knowing you. Thanks for coming.
Roy Morgan’s New Zealand Poll for December 2023 shows new Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and the National-led Government (National, ACT & NZ First) with a majority of 51.5% (down 6.5% from November) in their first month since being sworn in on November 27, 2023.

Support for National was down 1.5% to 36%, while support for ACT dropped 3% points to 9.5% and support for NZ First was down 2% points to 6%.

In December support for the defeated Labour-Greens-Maori Party Parliamentary Opposition was at 42.5%, up 6.5% points from November.

Support for Labour increased 1% point to 22% while support for the Greens surged 3% points to 15.5% – the highest support for the Greens for over a year since October 2022 and support for the Maori Party was up 2.5% points to 5%.

A further 6% of electors supported a minor party outside Parliament, unchanged from November. This includes 4% (up 0.5% points) who support The Opportunities Party and a further 2% (down 0.5%) who support other minor parties including the New Conservatives, Democracy NZ, New Zealand Loyal, NewZeal and the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party.
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February 5, 2024 9:01pm
- Swifty
  
  Whoop de doo.
  
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  February 5, 2024 9:51pm
- Lee C
  
  LoL.
  
  William Joyce strikes again>..
  
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