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JC60

Have a read of TV One’s Maori Affairs reporter Te Aniwa Hurihanganui’s explanation of what the Treaty of Waitangi actually means on their website. It is such a completely one sided view in favour of Maori that, if true, would provide absolutely no incentive for the British to sign up to it.
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February 4, 2024 8:13am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  If the British intended the Treaty to mean Partnership / Co governance / Co government the English translation would have explicitly stated this.
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:56am
  - KiWombat
    
    If the British intended the Treaty to be enduring, then they would have added the words “her heirs and successors according to law” after Crown obligations, as they did in the Magna Carta (1066) and all other Crown obligations to this date.
    
    They did not, so it was never expected to endure with the following Monarch/s.
    
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    February 4, 2024 10:16am
    - Romney
      
      I’m no expert on this but my understanding is, a Treaty is an agreement between peoples, usually after some event or inflexion point. Examples, Treaties of Versailles, Brest Litosvk, Peace of Westphalia. As such they can’t really be expected to last as you can’t nail down the future.
      
      Some other examples. Covenant – agreement between God and followers, Contract – legal agreement between single entities, Charter or Constitution – agreement between people and Government.
      
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      February 4, 2024 12:55pm
    - Fisiani2
      
      A party to the Treaty is a party and not a partner.
      
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      February 4, 2024 9:49pm
    - AlphaWhiskey
      
      Interesting point but am unsure of its relevance
      
      The intent from the British side is contained in Normanbys letter to Hobson
      
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      February 5, 2024 4:31am
  - bennerg
    
    Am I correct in understanding that the text of the Treaty was written in English and then translated in the Maori language of the time – which by all account had a very limited vocabulary compared to English?
    
    On that timeline, would not then the English version be the definitive text?
    
    Were there Maori Chiefs or elders at the time who also spoke English who could have called out any concerning differences? Then or even later at the Kohimärama Conference of 1860 where the meeting of Chiefs did not raise such issues in the translation (despite some recent “historians” attempt to insert / interpret “partnership” at that point in time).
    
    On that latter point, when I search and read recent “official” government websites about such matters, there is a very distinct re-rendering of, and/or slanting of the historical events to fit with a modern view that reinterprets the Treaty document in way that appears to benefit only the “tribal elite”.
    
    There is a trick/deception used by “cult leaders” to control their group, and that is the use of “Victim Mentality”. What is the victim mentality? A victim mindset usually includes three types of thinking:
    
    First, the bad things in your life are not your fault, but exclusively because of what other people have done to you. This mindset maintains that you are not responsible for your own actions and attitudes.
    
    Second, a victim mentality also includes getting stuck in negative thought patterns. If you play the victim, you may be characterized by a “woe is me” kind of self-pity.
    
    Third, the victim mentality sees the world through the lens of your own struggles. All the events of your life are orchestrated against you. Whatever happens in the world or in your circumstances, the victim mentality sees those circumstances as directed against yourself.
    
    You can be true victim and not have a victim mentality. You are not required to have this destructive thinking, even if you have been mistreated.
    
    Interestingly this has been expanded to bring in the use of the “Guilt Complex”, to the extent where, from my current perspective, some of the strongest supporters of this revisionist history are non-Maori.
    
    We have recently seen our whole country, nigh the whole world, suckered in on a false pandemic response. The techniques of mass indoctrination are well learned and implemented. It is required now to create an antidote, whether that be through education, or other method, to innoculate our population, especially the young, to be able to identify when they are being manipulated by the “smiling assassins” (Ardern etc), and repel their attempts to control and dictate to us in our lives.
    
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    February 4, 2024 11:29am
    - Paulus
      
      I like the word Deception that you use – a good representative one.
      
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      February 4, 2024 2:05pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    The only mention of government in the treaty is kawanatanga (governorship) in article 1. The treaty clearly proposed that government would by a governor appointed by the Queen. That is what subsequently happened, and nobody objected at the time. Even in the New Zealand wars a generation later the triggering issue was bad faith in land dealing, not the claim that the governor had no right to govern.
    
    More evolved government structures like parliaments and who gets to vote are not even discussed in the treaty and were sorted at a much later date. The treaty has nothing to say about those things except that Maori are guaranteed the rights of British subjects in article 3 and so would get to vote on the same terms as every other British subject.
    
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    February 4, 2024 1:48pm
    - PurplePen
      
      … and the Maori seats were established around the time they were establishing the parliament. At the time the Brits realised with Maori being about 60,000 and the rest in NZ being 10,000 Maori would quite possibly end up with a majority in then house. To eliminate this risk, as they saw it, they established the Maori seats. Ironic, as today they number of Maori MPs means Maori are over-represented in parliament. Should really remove the Maori seats as they are no longer required.
      
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      February 4, 2024 3:17pm
      - Jigsaw
        
        Well not actually- the first parliament was in 1853 and the Maori seats were created in 1867. The european population easily outnumbered the Maori one by that stage-there never was really any chance of Maori being in a majority. Apart from anything else Maori tribes had no tradition of co-operation.
        
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        February 4, 2024 10:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not biased at all is she?
  Can’t even get the 3 Articles correct, just her opinion. Now I don’t speak Maori so I don’t know if she has the text in Maori correct, but her text in English is off the wall!
  She is obviously reading from the rogue James Freeman version.
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:05am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Hmm, the rogue version. You mean of course the official version signed by Hobson which is part of New Zealand law.
    
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    February 4, 2024 10:14am
- Waipuk
  
  My reference of the treaty is Sir Apirana Ngata’s explanation.
  
  Everything since is pigs at the trough.
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:25am
  - Northshoredoc
    
    Agreed, Sir Apirana Ngata being much much closer in time to the signing had a better understanding than the majority of modern persons offering opinions.
    
    https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-NgaTrea-t1-g1-t1.html
    
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    February 4, 2024 2:18pm
- Prince
  
  Do yourself a favour – don’t read it. Unsubscribe.
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:48am
Notsofast

This webinair shows New Zealand is sterilizing children at the highest rate in the world. This shows the danger of sending your children to New Zealand schools.
Posie Parker was thrown out of the country for attempting to raise this.

https://youtu.be/P7PpqBIBZwI?si=B3rA08ZsSUppqVGm
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February 4, 2024 8:14am
- NothingLeft
  
  Is despicable, but also evolution in action, as mental disorders of kids and/or their parents removes them from the gene pool.
  
  Human race actually has a huge problem brewing as we have eliminated previous evolutionary pressures through medical and welfare interventions meaning that all the maladies that used to prevent people having kids – being too thick or otherwise mentally incapable to viably support yourself and children, or myriad significant medical problems that would do similar (including previously lethal birthing issues) are no longer being pruned. Meaning that a greater and greater proportion of children (and increasing each generation) will be born with serious life-long handicaps and previously disqualifying medical problems. That kindness is unavoidably producing an enormous wake of life-long suffering and unhappiness.
  
  Long term we will need to start gene editing of embryos to correct this problem.
  
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  February 4, 2024 12:22pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Interesting idea, unfortunately these eunuchs are being chosen randomly by peer group, culture and so on, and most were just destined to be same sex attracted.
    Still any graduated misanthrope should be happy with this medical scandal.
    
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    February 4, 2024 3:09pm
  - miltonF
    
    I’m glad that someone else can see it for what it is.
    
    Truth is, we’ve eliminated natural selection. Mainly thanks to socialism. This sets us down an extremely dangerous path towards genetic and social economic devolution. Picture the movie “Idiocracy” for a glimpse into our future.
    
    There is only really two solutions. 1) End socialism and bring back natural selection. 2) Keep going with socialism but bring in “Artificial selection”.
    
    It seems clear to me that we are stuck into option 2). Powerful people do not want to relinquish the power that socialism gives them over the populace.
    
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    February 4, 2024 3:35pm
Suze Wainwright

All the sound bites I saw on One News last night (before I changed channel) seemed to imply that Chloe is indeed Maori’s new messiah and that Labour is no longer the main opposition party (I think that was actually the major political news story of the night as opposed to the current govt being the ‘enemy’).

It occurred to me though that Te Pati Maori has apparently not yet been contacted for their comment re such an occurrence happening and, perhaps more importantly, whether TPM would unreservedly bestow their blessing upon such an occurrence happening.
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February 4, 2024 8:14am
- nathie
  
  It’s going to be interesting to see Labour finally reacting to Chloe and the Greens.
  
  After all Labour’s decimation last election was largely in part due to some of their former supporters swapping voting allegiance to the Greens.
  
  Does Labour really want to see the Greens overtaking them as leading left-wing party and confining them to the dustbin of irrelevance?
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:48am
kowtow

Adam Pearse , NZME , tells us Peeni Henare ,’who’s ancestry is closely tied to war and combat’ ( aren’t all of ours) “saying the bugle has sounded” …….

…….but strangely left out the bit where he said “he will lift his gun , aim it at the enemy and let the shots do the talking”
( as reported by tv3)

This is part of what Pearse describes as a “powerful korero”.

Self censorship , active protection , misinformation, disinformation ?
What could it be when the fourth estate refuse to report the full story with all the violent implications in the language used , but yet make all manner of allegations against Luxon, Seymour and Co.
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February 4, 2024 8:17am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  His Grandfather, Sir James DSO was C/O of 28 BN.
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:41am
  - kowtow
    
    Probably a majority of NZers could point to a close relative who served in the armed forces .
    
    It does not change the fact that Pearse appears to engage in self censorship to tone down the violent rhetoric from a senior labour party member , irrespective of whatever his ancestry was.
    
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    February 4, 2024 10:17am
  - G152
    
    The apple rotted before it fell from the tree
    
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    February 4, 2024 10:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The tree is rotten…..
      
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      February 4, 2024 2:04pm
  - Jack5
    
    The grandfather, Sir James Henare, was a National candidate for Northern Maori in 1949.
    
    Here his an election speech, in Maori and English:
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/speech/190/henare-speaking-as-a-candidate-during-the-1949-election
    
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    February 4, 2024 11:15am
- Grunter
  
  This is why free speech is so important. We need to know what these clowns are thinking. Give them every chance to think out loud.
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:28am
- herb1
  
  Henares speech is dangerous hateful rhetoric.
  Similiar calls to arms have been issued by TPMs leader and President.
  It’s time the media and more importantly,the Police take them to task. The inevitable result of this emotive warlike language is someone picking up a gun and doing what they believe their leaders are calling for.
  Labour pretended to be rather upset at the Mosque massacre , yet are condoning their own MPs and related parties rhetoric which willlead to Tarrant 2.
  
  When this happens and the inevitable majority fight back, the blood will be on the hands of the left political parties and the media .
  The MSM have been very vocal on the effects of hateful speech on female MPs of the left but happily ignore the left calling their fellows to war.
  Sad really
  
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  February 4, 2024 1:03pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hate speech, eh. You’ll know it when you hear it.
  
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  February 4, 2024 5:13pm
- Beach Haven expat
  
  In most mature democracies, a former minister who it had just been exposed was at a ministry bunging cash at his missus through dodgy procurement practices would have the self-awareness of staying in the background in shame.
  Was the last government’s mantra ‘I raise my chequebook, aim it at our families and let the corruption do the talking’?
  And why is no one calling out Kelvin Davis’ effective theft of public money? Says he’s resigning but only after Waitangi Day – so gets paid for the full Christmas break and through the anniversary days and Waitangi. Not many days hard graft there – then pops up to call those he’s swindled for thousands Spiders.
  
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  February 4, 2024 5:45pm
Yvette

■ There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know
– Donald Rumsfeld

When questioned in Parliament, Ardern would not rule out political opinion falling under these laws, saying it would depend on consultation with the public.

Proposal 2: The (new) crime
Intentionally (this is important) incite/stir up, maintain or normalise hatred using abuse, insults or threats (including inciting violence) against at least one of the groups identified in proposal 1.
[which included • Political opinion]
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/proposed-hate-speech-laws-what-you-need-to-know/MVWR2D7MNZXJCD7FEUUUDQCH4A/

I cannot now find a link to quote a statement made in the media yesterday that said a Waitangi speaker yesterday said he raises a gun and points it, explaining that was actually a metaphor – not to be taken literally.

■ A gunman who shot up a synagogue in the United States referred to the influence of Christchurch mass killer Tarrant’s writing, but to an innocuous phrase which the assailant of Jews said was the most powerful words in the entire manifesto – however I am not allowed to mention those actual words as it is illegal in this country, although probably nowhere else in the entire world.
But the metaphors Tarrant uses have intent, so why not those uttered at Waitangi – although said to be said as great oratory, are they not without intent, else why utter them?
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February 4, 2024 8:22am
- Yvette
  
  Here is the missing link :o)
  or at least one of them (yesterday’s news items, that is) –
  Oh, I see Matt, just below, has another
  
  Ngāti Whatua chair Dame Rangimārie Naida Glavish issued a warning: tread carefully.
  
  Labour’s Peeni Henare defended his use of a metaphor translated as he will lift his gun, aim it at the enemy and let the shots do the talking. [1]
  “The bugle has sounded and we’ve heard that call,” he said.
  
  Outgoing Labour MP Kelvin Davis labelled the Government a den of lions, encouraging their hosts to stay strong to their cause.
  “We must not speak to them like lambs,” said Davis.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/chief-of-navy-expects-different-energy-at-waitangi-ahead-of-government-arrival.html
  
  [1] What would John Earnest have made of that?
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  Ardern sought to clarify her remarks during a press conference after a Cabinet meeting on Monday afternoon.
  “This is at the extreme end … incitement of violence is one example of that, but it also has to be with the intent, and it is about extreme hostility.”
  {perhaps look at a particular “orator’s” face when she speaks}
  The existing law was not clear, she said, and applied in cases where people “excited hostility” through “ridicule” of a group.
  To “maintain or normalise hatred” captured cases where people were speaking hatefully to a group that shared the same belief.
  “If you are white supremacist group, and you are engaging with a white supremacist group, say in a rally, it may be a group that is already incited to behave in a certain way … That’s the exact kind of area with that would be intended to be used.”
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125579536/government-struggles-to-explain-proposed-hate-speech-laws-amid-mounting-opposition
  
  It is all enough to half empty your tank
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  ■ Okay, I have just read –
  A 70-year-old grandmother has been stabbed to death in front of her young grandchild in a “harrowing” attack in a Queensland shopping centre carpark.
  Local GP Dr Ademola Afolabi was at the shops to buy dinner when heard the girl shouting ‘my grandma is dead’ and followed her to the underground parking lots.
  “She was in a pool of blood mostly on the left side,” he said.
  “Her pants were soaked in blood, probably bleeding from the chest area. But we didn’t move anything.
  
  So not a time to attempt to be ‘funny’ with the ‘link’ or ‘tank’ remarks
  
  Chuck Bird, below, – Any guesses what the motive was?
  
  If Chuck is right, the motive probably started with words
  What motive doesn’t?
  John Earnest knows
  
  Hysterical stupidity?
  A 70-year-old grandmother is slayed in front of her six-year old granddaughter
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:43am
- Prince
  
  So why did the media react so savagely to Seymour’s metaphor about Guy Fawkes and Govt Depts ?
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:52am
CaptainCompromise

Thoughts on the Newshub article, myths of the treaty?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/02/waitangi-day-2024-five-myths-and-misconceptions-that-confuse-the-treaty-debate.amp.html

Balanced or biased. Tell me you’re thoughts.
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February 4, 2024 8:22am
- Dougal10
  
  Its newshub , your question doesn’t need to be asked.
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  SNAFU.
  The first two reporters trying very hard to pronounce Maori words.
  They are a joke!
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:17am
  - Paulus
    
    Different Maori have different interpretations of the Maori Language of today, unlike that where at the treaty time they all used different grunts to interpret their definition of their own language.
    
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    February 4, 2024 2:11pm
- Jake Dee
  
  I think it’s at least a good faith attempt at being reasonable but it’s internally inconsistent and trips over its own feet.
  It can’t decide if the “originalist’ concept is valid or not. In the beginning of the article the original British ideas for relations with Māori are important considerations but later in the article they are not because “it precludes the emergence of Treaty principles” and “it ignores all subsequent historical developments.”
  This subsequent historical development of principals is something that has to be examined closely. Are these principles really Treaty principles at all?
  the progressive left has a very weird relationship with time, history and the past. Obviously the past cannot be changed, the arrow of time moves only one way. But the past may be condemned for present political effect. The British Empire cannot be endorsed as it fails to live up to contemporary ethical standards, neither did Māori tribal society but that can be ignored.
  But the Treaty of Waitangi cannot be explicitly revoked or repudiated by modern progressives even if it was a deal between colonial imperialism and patriarchal tribalism. everyone instinctively see that if an old deal can be broken today then any new deal can just as easily be broken tomorrow.
  What is better is to take it over from the inside, slowly replace the meat and the bones but keep the skin. New cultural principles are invented and then retrospectively projected backwards through time to become “Treaty Principles”. Radical 21st century meat wearing a traditional 19th century skin, a social and political Frankenstein’s monster.
  
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  February 5, 2024 3:47am
redeye

‘I lift my gun, I let the shots do the talking’ – Peeni Henare
As Maiki Sherman whitesplained to us peasants last night on 1 News the use of metaphors is very common in Te Reo. So it doesn’t mean what you think.
Meanwhile Gareth Morgan is still in hiding following his lipstick on a pig comment.
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February 4, 2024 8:33am
- Swifty
  
  Based on Labour’s performance 2017-23 we now know they and he are firing blanks.
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:13am
  - kowtow
    
    Whatever about “blanks” , they sure as hell poisoned the well.
    
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    February 4, 2024 10:58am
- kowtow
  
  It’s ok when the left do it , as far as te media pardy are concerned .
  
  See the total lack of outrage at the Greens genocidal , one state , final solution ; from the river to the sea.
  
  Now had that a been someone from a tobacco company………
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:21am
- G152
  
  Sounds like a threat and should be treated as such
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:52am
  - Ghost
    
    No it’s not, what is happening here are people are misquoting to make an issue. The rest of the quote is
    
    “That’s a figurative gun, not an actual gun.”
    
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    February 4, 2024 10:57am
  - Yvette
    
    Sun Tzu: The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent.
    And it may be even greater if, though metaphor, they do it to themselves, after the media explains it – ideal perhaps for Maori, but dopey for the other 83 percent population portion
    
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    February 4, 2024 11:39am
Dougal10

I find the difference between public and private sector very interesting sometimes. Having a discussion with my sister who thinks she will lose her job when the govt department she works for takes a 7% hair cut too its budget. In the private sector these well paid employees would probably take a pay cut because all the jobs are needed . But admitting her job is hardly necessary it will be cut. Her next comment was the remaining employees will want a pay rise because they are now doing more work for the same money.
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February 4, 2024 8:33am
- pdm
  
  Entitleitis I think Dougal.
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:22am
- Grunter
  
  The maths of socialism!
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:33am
- Piniwi
  
  They can quickly find the time to take up the slack if they stop the daily sing song and poi swinging games.
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:20pm
Matt Long

Well, this is interesting, will he be spoken to by police and his guns be confiscated like Diewe De Boer?
Will the MSM go full screaming banshee like with Seymour and his Guy Fawkes comments?
Or c. Is he of the correct political persuasion and gets a free ride?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/peeni-henare-i-lift-my-gun-i-let-the-shots-do-the-talking-simon-wilson-at-waitangi/E32M6K2EDJGK7PA4ZBVLPOPJYU/
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February 4, 2024 8:34am
- Notsofast
  
  Freedom of speech is supposed to stop when calling FIRE in a cinema.
  
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  February 4, 2024 8:40am
  - JohnRidd
    
    Indeed, but it apparently ok to claim the world is on fire and we must buy an electric car to put the fire out.
    
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    February 4, 2024 3:16pm
- greenfinger
  
  A senior Māori orator? That was a pathetic speech, Penni. To spew what he did, he is dumber than he actually looks. Even Hipkins himself know he is a “dead man walking” as Labour’s leader. He is sticking around only for a paycheck until he scores another gig. Not worth wasting our precious police resources on Peenis.
  
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  February 4, 2024 8:52am
  - backster
    
    I don’t think it would be wasting Police Resources to investigate the awarding of contracts between a ministry headed by Peeni and a company headed by his wife.
    
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    February 4, 2024 3:25pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  But but but the PM’s brothers wife’s cousin’s auntie’s Mother’s Father once smoked a cigarette.
  
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  February 4, 2024 8:55am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Has anyone in the Labour/Greens/Maori parties got a relative who works in the alcohol/cannabis supply/meth distribution and/or production industries?
    Grape growing for wine?
    Perhaps someone in the media could find out so that we can all clutch our pearls over that.
    It is terrible to have relatives involved in making money out of peddling such addictive substances.
    Something should be done about it.
    
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    February 4, 2024 4:45pm
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    I’m waiting for the theory that big tobacco planted this woman with Luxon’s brother 20 years ago so she could write the government’s policy. Probably the IDF too so we’d send six bag carriers to help take out the Houthis.
    It’s a literal genocide.
    
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    February 4, 2024 5:58pm
- Mr A Coates
  
  The allegorical language in that article is stifling. Taniwhas, lambs, spiders, lions… is anybody an actual person?
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:01am
- Jack5
  
  It’s up to Mitch …
  
  For De Boer the police searched for, and didn’t find, a banned magazine for a gun.
  
  What’s the new Police Minister, Mark Mitchell, going to tell Police Commissioner Coster to do about Peeni Henare’s threat of armed insurrection!
  
  And how’s Coster going to keep the peace if the hypesters’ talk of big numbers at Waitangi is anywhere near correct. The hypesters have now lifted their forecast of those attending to 60,000.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/summerreport/audio/2018729666/legal-questions-raised-over-search-of-dieuwe-de-boer-s-house
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:08am
  - Inandout
    
    Jack, 60,000 is half the number of those on Job Seekers benefit. Think of all the C02 and footprints those V8s consume.
    
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    February 4, 2024 9:36am
  - nathie
    
    Glad you brought up Cuddles Coster.
    
    Suggest if the activists inflict harm on any Govt MP’s on Waitangi Day (meaning the Police failed to pre-empt or contain the trouble makers) then Coster ought to be sacked on 7 February 2024.
    
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    February 4, 2024 9:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Coster should be there and say “There will be no trouble here, because I am the Grand Master”
      
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      February 4, 2024 10:29am
      - pdm
        
        Steve – Coster could try that.
        
        His problem is no one would believe him because they would know it was complete bullshit!!
        
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        February 4, 2024 11:27am
      - Paulus
        
        Am sure Coster will be there but will he do anything – no way !
        
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        February 4, 2024 2:22pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Of course the msm will faithfully report that there were at least 60,000 there even if it is only a handful. They’ve done that sort of nonsense before.
    
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    February 4, 2024 12:05pm
- nathie
  
  Is Peeni Henare dog-whistling to the hard-core pakeha/maori activists to inflict ultra violence on coalition government MP’s?
  
  Why isn’t the MSM calling this out as unacceptable instead of giving it a free pass and being complicit?
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:09am
  - Dougal10
    
    Hopefully he is inciting violence on tuesday. This shit needs to come to a head , before we can all go back to being equal.
    
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    February 4, 2024 9:59am
- imalwaysright
  
  M L
  Just the headline but it says it all and at least we don’t have to read Wilsons bullshit trying to spin it.
  
  Remember the pro Israel lawyer got arrested in Queen st for holding up an a4 piece of paper criticising Palestine protestors .
  
  Arrested on the spot.
  
  But henare can threaten to shoot.
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He mustn’t have handed his gun in, naughty boy.//
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:30am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Luxon and all government representatives should boycott Waitangi due to threats of violence and instead go to the office and send a simple email to all of the activist leeches on the maori gravy train:
    
    ” Funding suspended pending audit”.
    
    We are seeing the seeds of terrorism.
    
    This is how it begins.
    
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    February 4, 2024 10:24am
- Ghost
  
  The rest of that quote is “That’s a figurative gun, not an actual gun”.
  
  I think some are becoming too precious and can’t take heated debate.
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:05am
  - kowtow
    
    Give us the full quote by Henare .
    
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    February 4, 2024 10:46am
    - Ghost
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/02/general_debate_04_february_2024.html/comment-page-1#comment-3509534
      
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      February 4, 2024 10:53am
      - Jack5
        
        Peenemunde was the birthplace of the V2.
        
        Waitangi Day could be Penni Tuesday if there are any more gun metaphors….
        
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        February 4, 2024 12:25pm
      - kowtow
        
        Too many peenises.
        
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        February 4, 2024 2:20pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Good point. And lets remember Rachel Stewart had her guns taken for a colourful hyperbolic gun references. Yet Peeni’s comments or the Tusiatia Avia poem which are also direct threats see no action. In fact win monetary Govt awards.
  
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  February 4, 2024 4:38pm
Hollyfield

Chris Hipkins is confused. He is quoted as saying: “But it can’t be the government imposing its will on all of New Zealand. Actually, there are a lot of non-Māori who have a view on this as well and they deserve to be part of this conversation.”
Setting aside the rudeness of referring to people as “non” anything, this is exactly what we’ve been saying for the last 6 years, and this why Labour got voted out. But this isn’t a moment of honest reflection for Mr Hipkins and why he failed so dismally in the election, no, instead he is criticising the new Government for not including “non-Maori” in a conversation. Do we take this as Mr Hipkins supporting a referendum on the treaty perhaps?

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/02/03/luxons-leadership-confused-and-weak-on-treaty-of-waitangi-amendment-labours-chris-hipkins/
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February 4, 2024 8:34am
- Paulus
  
  Hipkins is only their for the money for now, but not for very much longer, as Labour will put a women into their top spot hoping to repeat Ardernism again.
  
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  February 4, 2024 2:27pm
- nathie
  
  Interesting. After reading the Te Ao News article it is clearly Hipkins that is confused. He is all over the place and is contradicting himself. Sadly he seems to have no self-awareness that he is.
  
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  February 4, 2024 5:19pm
oldpark

Was thinking overnight on how NZs so called Mainstream Media are since the Coalition of National ,ACT,NZF were swept into power at the October 14 2023 General Election completely hell bent on daily putting the boot into every positive way of the new Government to help Democratic Loving NZs recover from such an onslaught on their lives over the years 2020/2023 by Labour/ Green/Maori Party control freaks .
Turned on Computer and read an article.Headline said the Toxic people you should cut from your life.
Completely sums up the poison and negativity of the mad dog control freaks of NZs so called MAINSTREAM MEDIA .That includes Televison News Tv1,and TV3,Newstalk ZB with their hourly
news nauseous bulletins, RNZ same, and last but not least NZs daily newspaper attacks on the Coalition . Makes one wonder will any of that type of negativity help make NZ “A Nation Once Again” and restore Democracy which was denied by Ardern/ Hipkins regime in the years 2020/2023.
People are shaped by the people around them—we can develop into a healthy, well-rounded and caring way when we are around nurturing people, sadly we can also be brought down by negativity and toxic influences,yes by NZs Toxic Mainstream Media . What a bloody indictment .
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February 4, 2024 8:43am
- Grunter
  
  MSM is poison for your mind. Avoid it all. Life then becomes so much better.
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:40am
Yvette

So where the bloody hell are you? – Lara Bingle
8.44am
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February 4, 2024 8:44am
Morry45

Could Labour be accused of inciting violence and insurrection after its comments at Waitangi yesterday?

It seems highly irresponsible to me.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/peeni-henare-i-lift-my-gun-i-let-the-shots-do-the-talking-simon-wilson-at-waitangi/E32M6K2EDJGK7PA4ZBVLPOPJYU/
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February 4, 2024 8:46am
- Damocles11
  
  Kelvin Davis is at Waitangi talking about ‘pakeha spiders’.
  
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  February 4, 2024 6:25pm
Chuck Bird

Any guesses what the motive was?

Grandmother stabbed to death in shopping centre carpark

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/2024/02/04/grandmother-stabbed-redbank-plains?acid=2739932&utm_medium=email&lr_hash=ddf960ff1e29a536428d8fafcd071853&ahe=bc484c0e441634acab6c8a3268c7a33f2947034d0d2b8805610530ab51abea2d&utm_source=Adestra&utm_campaign=Sunday%20Best%20-%2020240204
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February 4, 2024 8:49am
- igm
  
  Stuff would not have commented on this mongrel’s appearance, he being of their preferred colour.
  
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  February 4, 2024 8:55am
- kowtow
  
  When a Copper over there tazered an old dear ( who died) te media pardy there , and here oddly, went into hypersonic over drive .
  
  This case , well I doubt it .
  
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  February 4, 2024 8:58am
- Matt Long
  
  Some people say it’s replacement theory, others that it’s a diversity dividend. I remember some time ago it was called multiculturalism.
  Is choosing people from more violent cultures, as well as cultures that accept corruption the best immigration policy?
  The west is finding out.
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:06am
  - Philview
    
    I have read articles about Count Coudenhove-Kalergi who is known as the godfather of the EU. He formulated plans in the 1920s to bring about the mass migration of Muslims who he saw as useful agents to undermine national governments. His racist template failed to consider that Muslims aren’t stupid and will act in their own best interests. There is an annual prize in his honour called the Charlemagne Prize which has an interesting roll of winners.
    
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    February 4, 2024 9:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Un-authored, wonder why?
  Poor 6 year old girl. What a thing to go through for her.
  “Of African appearance” What does that mean?
  Elon Musk is African.
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:28am
  - cmm
    
    ” Elon Musk is African.” but hardly of African appearance.
    
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    February 4, 2024 2:34pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Hangry? (Looking for a ‘snackbar’)
  
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  February 4, 2024 12:29pm
Dudley Quaffquaff

If and when the new ministry of regulation actually gets started, one of the things I reckon they should do is start a database of cost per life saved of existing and new regulation. A year’s worth of that should make for an interesting and valuable study.

Eventually it would be awesome if they could develop, and get all ministries to use, a consistent methodology, preferably one based on micromorts. But that would be more likely to work if it were to start from a good empirical understanding as to what is being done in practice now.
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February 4, 2024 8:59am
- NothingLeft
  
  The safety elves won’t like that. Thou shalt not question the correctness of any regulation, however costly or ineffectual, that increases the safety.
  
  Driving my suburb yesterday saw a mini-digger working on someones narrow front yard next to footpath at a quiet suburban T-intersection – doing plumbing work I would guess. somewhere around 200 cones arrayed for 100m each road leading to intersection and a road management lollipoppers on each road to handle what was perhaps one car every 5-10 minutes. Work inevitably costing probably 5-10x what it would if sanity were to prevail over the safety elves.
  
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  February 4, 2024 12:35pm
  - cmm
    
    … and if it was more than knee height it would have needed $20k of scaffolding…
    
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    February 4, 2024 2:35pm
Notsofast

A fantastic article by Shane Jones, showing that the English language has huge power, and yet he and his children are fluent in Te Reo. I have heard them.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/nz-first-will-push-for-a-reset-in-our-race-relations-bearings-shane-jones/FDOUC7GNMJD4VIG6EX4EGQYOAI/
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February 4, 2024 9:00am
- pdm
  
  Notso – what about his `neph’s’?
  
  Did they learn it on the couch?
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:36am
nathie

Is this Hipkins fellow who is sucking up to Ngāpuhi and dissing the coalition government the same Hipkins fellow who first put the so-called Māori “agenda” on to Labour’s “policy bonfire” a year ago when he became Prime Minister?
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February 4, 2024 9:06am
- Yvette
  
  No, Nathie, it did not go on the bonfire.
  It went on the shelf for after the Election. So is now still on the shelf.
  
  And I am utterly askance and befurt that Winston, Shane or David have not retrieved it to reveal the response of 72 hui which Willie was trying to water down (the 20 percent that disturbed him) so he could present his edited version of targeted Maori reaction to their Cabinet with any hope they would accept and consider it.
  He did not want to scare the Trojan horses.
  
  Now would be the time for the Coalition to use this “ammo“
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:59am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    I’m not sure why Willie was worried.
    Present the watered down version then get some activists to talk about its principles and get the nasty stuff in that way.
    Easy.
    
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    February 4, 2024 6:07pm
TripeWryter

A question to the media news and bulletin editors:
Why are you using ‘admitted’ in the story about Christopher Luxon’s sister-in-law working for a tobacco company?
Is it something he’s been trying to keep quiet, as your use of ‘admitted’ implies?
If not, why not a more neutral word like ‘says’?
As for his sister-in-law, if I were her I’d be bloody pissed off at being dragged into something she has nothing to do with.
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February 4, 2024 9:11am
- nathie
  
  100%! And, as you say, I thought bringing family members into the MSM was a boundary not to be crossed.
  
  After all has the sister-in-law said anything controversial to make it newsworthy? No!
  
  Not only have the MSM overstepped the mark they are uncritically quoting Letitia Harding, Chief Executive of the Asthma Foundation saying (without any foundation or evidence) that the Govt is in bed with Big Tobbacco. (Well her credibility is shot with me – will regard her as a lying activist shrill from now on).
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:40am
- sirknz
  
  Low level marketing staff are often used by multinational corporations to influence government policy in their favour. Also, everyone on the right is intimately involved with what their in-law’s jobs entail, who they are working for, how they can influence things to improve things for their employer, and discuss this in depth at every family get together.
  
  – Lefty Twitter
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:26am
- Jack5
  
  Let’s not forget the link between the State-imposed extortionate price of tobacco and crime.
  
  In Christchurch, smashed glass doors of dairies, and even supermarkets, as raids continue.
  
  Just as Prohibition caused a wave of crime in Chicago headed by Al Capone, trying to wipe out smoking by pricing alone has led to a surge in crime.
  
  A target of a minimal, hopefully declining, use of tobacco would be a more feasible target. Derision and ridicule of smokers might be the better strategy.
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:24am
  - nathie
    
    Wouldn’t it make sense for the Govt to require the tobacco companies to reduce nicotine levels in cigarettes to reduce addiction? And keep doing so over time.
    
    (Why didn’t meddling Labour do this? What aren’t the anti-smoking lobby and health experts saying this)?
    
    Heck perhaps the tobacco companies could be selling $10-20 packets of cigarettes again as long as the nicotine levels are halved or more so.
    
    (Imagine that, cigarette addicts not spending $300/week on their habit meaning they have money left over for other essentials. And no gang turf wars or blackmarket)!!
    
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    February 4, 2024 12:04pm
    - Ghost
      
      Part of the smoke free legislation
      
      New Zealand’s Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products (Smoked Tobacco) Amendment Bill includes three key policy measures from the Smokefree Aotearoa 2025 Action Plan: denicotinisation of cigarettes and tobacco, large reductions in outlets selling tobacco, and the introduction of a Smokefree Generation policy
      
      NZ Doctor
      
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      February 4, 2024 12:15pm
      - nathie
        
        Thanks, good to know (be great if that included a substantial price decease … but no mention via the link, so guessing not … I mean think of the taxes that could still be collected and then redistributed to the health lobby and academics)!
        
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        February 4, 2024 12:38pm
  - kowtow
    
    Huge organised crime problem related to it in Oz .
    
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    February 4, 2024 12:13pm
    - artemisia
      
      Yes, importers of illegal tobacco apparently only have to get one container in 30 through to make a profit.
      
      Did I mention container?
      
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      February 4, 2024 4:02pm
- artemisia
  
  Yes, ‘admit’ indicates something purposely hidden, or incorrect, or both. Sounds like an opportunity for the new government to wheel out ‘admit’ at every opportunity. Especially when communicating with media and opposition MPs. No response needed in either case. The question is the message.
  
  Like to Ms Maiki Sherman – Do you now admit that your statement xxxx was sufficiently biased to warrant a BSA complaint? Or to a response to an oral question in the House – Do you now admit that the unintended consequences of policy yyy produced worse results than doing nothing?
  
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  February 4, 2024 12:24pm
Burtland

Seems the Westland District Council is getting sick of inaccurate weather forecasting provided by the MetService …

“The last two forecast events, with the consequent warnings, had been “totally wrong”and only succeeded in “scaring the public away.” What had transpired “was basically a non event” on 18-19 January, and again the following weekend

The problem is its not just the Westland forecast, Canterbury is just as bad.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/508343/weather-warning-over-estimated-west-coast-rain-council
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February 4, 2024 9:16am
- KiWombat
  
  Yesterday the MetService forecast for the West Coast predicted rain for most of the day. When there had been nothing but sunshine until 11am, I did some washing and hung it out to dry.
  
  Still waiting for yesterday’s rain !!
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:27am
- Trev
  
  It has happened again this long weekend! A forecast fly in from around NZ to celebrate 100 years of aviation in Westland was cancelled on the basis of “bad” forecasts. I know the weather has been ok in Westland and that there has been cloud on the main divide so the extreme weather forecast happened elsewhere or did not occur. This cloud could have stopped old planes with pilots without instrument ratings crossing the alps but not other planes? We have reached the stage of “the boy who cried wolf” with the Met Service now. Exaggeration and errors have become the norm particularly with the prediction of severe weather events. Now the forecasts are being discounted by the general public at least. This creates a real dilemma for Civil Defence who get stick for over reacting but would also get stick if they hadn’t prepared perchance Met Service eventually got something right. In Westland there have recently been severe rain warnings and severe wind warnings that have not eventuated.
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:44am
- mogg
  
  WeatherWatch.co.nz
  
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  February 4, 2024 1:00pm
- sirknz
  
  The Met Service can’t get yesterday’s weather correct, today.
  
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  February 4, 2024 1:42pm
nathie

I have a feeling the likes of the leftist MSM, activists and Labour under-estimate PM Luxon when it comes to Māori issues.

Whilst the leftist MSM, activists and Labour are seeking to divide by making alot of noise and threats, Luxon is quietly getting on meeting with Iwi leadership and promoting a vision of getting the best for all people including Maori.

And he means all Maori, not just the Elites and radicals as Labour/Greens/TPM are pandering to.

By all Maori and all other NZers’ (Pakeha, migrants etc) that’s where National and its coalition partners NZF and ACT will resonate positively the most.

Of course you wouldn’t think that from watching, listening to and reading the leftist MSM and LabGreenTPM … but they aren’t the majority. The majority spoke when they voted in October 2023 and recent polls confirm this support.

In the meantime and apart from Luxon, NZF are not only making their views known in support of the coalition government they are entering dialogue with Maori just like Luxon/National.

This is where ACT, with its several Maori MP’s, need to join in because so far Seymour has been talking to his supporters so he needs to engage now with his non-supporters just like Nat/NZF have been stepping up in order to take their message directly to the people. This is not a criticism of ACT, this is a positive endorsement because Seymour and his MP’s (Maori and Pakeha) have mana with Maori due to their ancestral connections.

This is a big deal in maoridom so what that means for ACT is that Seymour and his MP’s can stand tall and proud against the likes of the Maori radical idiots from TPM, the Greens and Labour and stand their ground … then “crush” them!

Or at least ridicule them and put them down – the likes of the TPM do not have the monopoly on this. So bring it on!
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February 4, 2024 9:30am
- JJ56
  
  Just to add a further comment, Iwi leadership are being boxed in by Luxon on their current divisive Treaty stuff with the building expectation they sign up to being partners in addressing the practical problems of Maori well being.
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:41am
  - artemisia
    
    And there need to be outcomes and reporting against them along with the money. For example $50mill for Maori children vax. So tell us please how that’s going, so we can see how much it is costing to vax per child. So whether the money is being well spent, or not.
    
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    February 4, 2024 11:46am
  - JerJer
    
    Yes….I just watched a live stream of chippie looking very uncomfortable on stuff being told that it is his fault that the government are unwinding all this stuff that he never had a mandate to do, and the Māori education problems are his fault. He went on to say amongst other lies that the coalition has no mandate to rollback co governances or get rid of the Māori health authority. The reporters told him very clearly it was campaigned on, voted for and the government has a clear mandate, for which Labour are actually responsible for setting the platform for. Hilarious. Didn’t expect that from the media. Maybe they are learning.
    
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    February 4, 2024 12:56pm
jon

KIWIBLOGGERS, take a few minutes to go to the Hobson’s Pledge website and sign the open letter to the government, *To restore a colour-blind democracy to NZ*. Current number signed is 24,736. Make family and friends etc aware of this open letter too and the need to sign.
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February 4, 2024 9:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  24,737
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:54am
  - jon
    
    Good man, Steve!
    
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    February 4, 2024 11:03am
  - Yvette
    
    Now 24,904 signatures
    
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    February 4, 2024 11:03am
    - pdm
      
      I signed it a week or so ago.
      
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      February 4, 2024 11:42am
    - jon
      
      Yvette, at about 3.30pm 25,170 had signed, an increase of 434 since i first appealed for signatures earlier today. Very encouraging!
      
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      February 4, 2024 4:05pm
- Grunter
  
  Here’s the link. It’s almost at 25,000
  
  https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/open_letter_to_the_coalition
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:48am
Chuck Bird

Only 10 minutes

Nobel Laureate John Clauser: Climate Models Miss Key Variable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvqIqy8dUvA
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February 4, 2024 9:31am
- NothingLeft
  
  This is nothing new.
  
  Clouds have been at core of most objections to predictive skill of climate models since 1980’s. Climate models can’t (and never will unless perhaps fastest computers get trillions of times faster) be able to accurately model water evaporation, convection and condensation effects (not to mention surface wave surface mixing, and wind borne water spray heat transfer that drive a lot of tropical convection) at small length scales needed to provide accurate climate modelling.
  
  Climate models claiming ability to predict changes of 0.1% in top of atmosphere radiation to space in spite of all these huge error sources in their atmospheric physics modelling are obviously complete and utter bullshit.
  
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  February 4, 2024 12:48pm
Michael Sommerville

From yesterday’s comments I decided to read the 2017 NZ Pandemic Plan.

The key objective is stated as “To minimise deaths, serious illness and serious disruption to communities and the economy arising from an influenza pandemic.”

I think they lost sight of the second part of the objective “serious disruption to the economy”.

The Aderns, Bloomfields, Bakers, Wiles etc lost sight of this completely for their own aggrandisement.
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February 4, 2024 9:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dems getting desperate now.
Hidden room? It was a room purposely locked because it was for maintenance. Electric cables. plumbing etc.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/fbi-astonishingly-missed-hidden-room-in-mar-a-lago-search/ss-BB1hIAwE#image=10

Hey Jack Smith. When are you going to look into the documents Joe had in his unused university office, his house, and his garage? What’s that? Not important?
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February 4, 2024 9:41am
- NothingLeft
  
  That’s (D)ifferent.
  
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  February 4, 2024 12:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Exactly.
    
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    February 4, 2024 2:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/don-brash-nails-it/
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February 4, 2024 9:52am
BeaB

Now, thanks to a ponderous explanation by Ms Sherman on TV1, we know Maori use metaphors, unlike non-Māori, and saying you will get your gun and let it do the talking when you are a politician in a major party doesn’t really mean that. What crazy world are we living in?
I notice The Herald left out that bit. Why?
I guess Hipkins will now be calling women non-men.
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February 4, 2024 10:00am
- Ghost
  
  Let’s use the full quote that he said because people are making an issue out of it when they are using part of the quote, what he actually said was
  
  “When you take off your jacket,” he said, “it’s to get ready for a fight.”And then he launched into it. “The bugle has sounded and we have heard the call,” declared the Labour Party’s senior orator. “This is a fight that will not be fought just in Parliament. I lift my gun, and I let the shots do the talking.”He was quick to clarify: “That’s a figurative gun, not an actual gun.”
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:10am
  - nathie
    
    It is an issue! Imagine the outrage if someone on the Right said something similar against someone on the Left.
    
    Imagine the daily calls for resignations (until it happened) if someone dared to say that about … Jacinda!
    
    Anyway all I want is consistency please. Either metaphors are accepted across the political/MSM spectrum or they are not.
    
    Not this “but it’s ok when the Left do it” hypocrisy (but bad/evil Right when they do it) !
    
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    February 4, 2024 10:33am
    - Ghost
      
      No, it’s not an issue. People are making an issue out of a comment using part of the quote to make that issue. This is nothing more than heated debate. The only way you can make anything out of it is by completely misquoting what was said and missing out “That’s a figurative gun, not an actual gun.”. And now you decide to take a comment that was not directed at anyone, and try to direct it at someone to make an issue. Stop. Stop twisting what was said. Stop being so god damn precious that you can’t take heated debate without your safe room.
      
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      February 4, 2024 10:38am
      - nathie
        
        Hey Ghost I get where you are coming from and accept your logic.
        
        But you seem to be missing my point, which is what I was addressing in your comment, which was the inconsistency and hypocrisy of the political left and leftist MSM.
        
        Anyway what’s with your name calling and thingy whatsit about heated debates and safe rooms?!!!
        
        I call upon Biscuit to give you a metaphorical telling off!
        
        Either that or one of OldPark’s fabulous thumping sermons will do nicely thank you!
        
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        February 4, 2024 12:17pm
    - BeaB
      
      Remember it happened with David Seymour when he wanted Guy Fawkes to blow up the Ministry of Pacific Affairs. That was taken very literally by the permanently outraged and the media.
      Modern life is so confusing.
      
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      February 4, 2024 10:40am
      - Swifty
        
        And that’s the key issue, in my mind.
        
        It’s clear that Henare was taking metaphorically – he made that clear.
        
        The issue is the news media and other lefties double-standard treatment of it when righties talk similarly – with the Seymour situation being a classic example.
        
        They are happy to take Henare’s comment as metaphorical, as they should, but then just as happily accuse Seymour of speaking literally, when he plainly wasn’t.
        
        Wankers.
        
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        February 4, 2024 11:47am
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, and that is where the outrage should be directed, the biased, corrupt media.
        
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        February 4, 2024 12:03pm
  - kowtow
    
    Please post a link to that so we can draw our own conclusions.
    
    ie exactly at what point was he so “quick to clarify”
    
    Was it during his actual “powerful korero” to quote Adam Pearse of NZME or was it afterwards if/when Henare was questioned by any reporters there to “clarify” his violent ,aggressive rhetoric , which is not ok in a liberal democracy .
    
    NB how this so called parliamentarian states the “fight” won’t be in parliament . Well just what does that mean ……in the streets ?
    
    That’s not how a democracy works . His remarks are outrageous.
    
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    February 4, 2024 11:05am
    - Ghost
      
      It’s in the article posted above by Matt.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/peeni-henare-i-lift-my-gun-i-let-the-shots-do-the-talking-simon-wilson-at-waitangi/E32M6K2EDJGK7PA4ZBVLPOPJYU/
      
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      February 4, 2024 11:30am
      - kowtow
        
        Paywalled .
        
        Not much good to anyone.
        
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        February 4, 2024 12:11pm
      - nathie
        
        Simon Wilson too!
        
        Meaning he’ll be defending the Left to the hilt!
        
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        February 4, 2024 12:33pm
  - david
    
    That is so like using a graphic of a gunsight (telescopic) to provide a metaphor for having a focus on a particular subject, person, region or group. Of course it is acceptable and does not warrant outrage , fear, need for police protection or the provision of safe spaces ………… oh wait!
    
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    February 4, 2024 2:45pm
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    True. Henare’s use of metaphors are easily misinterpreted.
    When he said ‘spray a load of cash at my missus’s business and don’t ask any hard questions’ he was giving a metaphor about the need for good governance.
    He didn’t mean it to be taken literally.
    
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    February 4, 2024 7:01pm
wairarapapaul

According to Infometrics “Māori learner attendance has fallen from 57% in 2015 to just 27% in 2022.” So how can those Maori youth listening to Peeni Henare understand that he is using his threatening language as a Metaphor? Of the 27% what percentage understands what metaphor means. If it’s half then around 6 out of 7 may take it literally. Yes, he should be charged with inciting violence. As Reacher says, details matter.
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February 4, 2024 10:02am
- thirteenstars
  
  It’ll be all Greek to them.
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:00am
BeaB

When I was at school we were taught not to mix our metaphors. Henare called us non-Māori lions and spiders. Which is he going to point his gun at?
I’m happy to be a lion. Hard to be a spider as well but we all know they are clever creatures weaving their complex webs. He’ll have to be a crack shot.
Neither is much of an insult. But having read about his close relationship with lucrative Labour government contracts, I could suggest some less flattering animals to compare him to.
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February 4, 2024 10:05am
The Housekeeper

I was very disappointed with Tama Potaka’s sarcastic references to his coalition partners, Seymour and Jones, when he questioned their maoriness at the National Iwi Chairs Forum. Huge kudos to Kipa Munro who put Potaka in his place in short shrift.

Did Luxon know Potaka would say these things? Why didn’t Luxon join Munro in censuring Potaka? Is Potaka in the wrong party?
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February 4, 2024 10:31am
- thirteenstars
  
  It could be. There is commentary that some of the things Potaka has written in the past suggest he’s far more, hmm, malleable on these issues than he should be. I’ve seen a link to a paper he wrote that appeared to endorse that view but I can’t find it at the moment. I’ll keep looking.
  
  Since Luxon appears to be on the fence around these things it would suit him to have Potaka there leaving ACT and NZF to take the heat until they run out of steam or the political winds appear to support their view. If that’s Luxon’s game then it’s the opposite of leadership.
  
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  February 4, 2024 10:55am
  - pdm
    
    I think Potaka has a lot of potential but at the moment he has forgotten he is a Junior Minister.
    
    Interesting Luxon publicly dumped on Mitchell – will he publicly dump on Potaka?
    
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    February 4, 2024 11:47am
- nathie
  
  Unless one speaks Maori and understands the full context of the incident, will we ever know?
  
  What I mean is the MSM “helpfully” gives us an interpretation of a small part of the incident (no doubt suiting their agenda eg division amongst the coalition).
  
  The lack of pushback against Potaka from Luxon and Seymour perhaps suggests possibly things were taken in a light-hearted way or maybe it wasn’t as bad as the MSM made it out to be?
  
  Perhaps Potaka was being self-depreciating (perhaps even of himself too but the MSM only highlighted the Seymour bit)?
  
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  February 4, 2024 12:25pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Heading home from Mass earlier listening to ZB News.
Was over-the-moon to hear the lead item that TV1 sports presenter Hayley Holt
is pregnant again for a 4th time!
What I hadn’t known previously, was the news that she had lost her first two babies
due to a stillbirth and a miscarriage.
We all wish Hayley the very best with her new arrival, a sibling for son Raven.
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February 4, 2024 10:51am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggie, dear,
  Could you please check the spelling.
  I thought a TV1 presenter would call her son “Raving”.
  
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  February 4, 2024 1:20pm
pdm

Will Young is the most hard done by guy in New Zealand cricket at the moment and I think that includes Ajaz Patel.

Conway cannot get the ball off the square at the moment, the last month even, and is too loose to be a test opener. Notwithstanding his test record.
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February 4, 2024 11:08am
TripeWryter

Kicking on from my earlier post about our media’s use of ‘admitted’ re Luxon’s sister-in-law working for Big – or Biggest – Tobacco …
Just heard NewstalkZB’s 11am bulletin and they’ve changed ‘admitted’ to ‘confirmed’, which is acceptable.
This government is learning fast that you don’t fuck with the Tobacco Nazis, who will go to any lengths to hold on to their turf.
They fight dirty, as the prime minister and his sister-in-law are finding out.
It is clear that someone in the Ministry of Health is leaking against this government.
The Director-General of Health is responsible for his department.
His boss, Peter Hughes, should be calling him in and telling him that unless the leaking stops he is out of a job.
That message should be given to all the public service heads.
To be clear: I am not a smoker; my last Port Royal was 40 years ago and my health improved immeasurably as a result.
Two of my children, in their 40s, and their partners, vape.
My son-in-law spends a lot of time in the dunny hoicking up what sounds like a lot of gunk from his lungs.
But he is a grown-up, and it’s his choice.
I can see what Casey Costello is apparently trying to do – there comes a point where taxing people more and more for their cigarettes becomes pointless.
In the end the smoker gives up and just stops caring.
So why keep taxing them more and more?
Despite the hysteria about ‘more Maori will die’ from smoking we’re down to the last few percent of people smoking.
And anyway, Maori smokers can always do what I did; make the decision to stop smoking – and bloody stick to it!
It can be hard. When I stopped was not my first, second, or third or … time.
But there came a time, now with young children, and I had to stick to it.
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February 4, 2024 11:20am
Swifty

Speaking of politicians using metaphors – I really wish they wouldn’t.

Or, at least make it abundantly clear when they do so whether they are talking metaphorically or literally.

Words matter and clear, concise communication from our politicians leaves them less room to wriggle out of commitments made and positions taken.

Purely as an example – I see from time to time politicians referring to Papatuanuku and I am left to wonder whether it’s a rhetorical flourish or whether they actually believe in such a divine being.

If they are talking metaphorically, I would ask why? Why muddle what you are trying to communicate by referring to non-existent entities? If you mean earth, say earth; if you mean water, say water; if you mean sky, say sky etc.

Whereas if they are talking literally, I would like them to say so, so that I can in good conscience mock and ridicule them for believing in such nonsense.
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February 4, 2024 11:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Politicians = smartarses, no matter which Party.
  They must be smart right? Otherwise we would not have voted them in.//
  Sarc but maybe not..
  
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  February 4, 2024 4:20pm
bennerg

Is anyone else concerned that there are individuals who stand for election (central and local government), and then within a short period of time, resign?

I believe that there is a part to play in parliament, for both government and the opposition benches. And when standing for election, you must accept that the citizens electing you are there to decide where they want you placed.

There is a resultant cost, and also a perversion of the result, by early resignation, and unless there is a compelling compassionate reason, (health of the individual or of their immediate family), then any resignation should come with a consequence. This should be monetary and also a ban from holding any public (funded) office (elected or otherwise) for say ten years. That would prevent James Shaw from taking up any position in a government controlled, government funded, or quasi-government body.

Being elected establishes a contract, and the individual should have the intention to serve it out, and in so doing respect the wishes of those that elect them to that position. Simply bailing out because you did not win a place at the top table, or because you get a better offer, is unacceptable.

Also telling the lie that “the tank is empty” and then accepting a high profile position overseas, should be called out. Such behaviour is both cynical and vacuous, as any thoughtful person can see right through it.
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February 4, 2024 11:47am
- Ghost
  
  What’s wrong with resigning when you’ve had enough? John Key when he resigned said. “All I can say is that I gave it everything I had. I have left nothing in the tank.”. – John Key
  
  It’s a stressful job and sadly a job that no matter what party you are from comes with a lot of abuse, threats, and stress.
  
  I would rather an mp leave when they feel they can no longer do the job than stay in it. Just as you and others do when you decide it’s time to get another job. The mp’s moving on at the moment are list mp’s there is no additional cost to them leaving.
  
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  February 4, 2024 11:55am
  - rockape
    
    Other than we get even more dross from further down the list.
    
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    February 4, 2024 1:08pm
  - Taieri
    
    It’s a stressful job and sadly a job that no matter what party you are from comes with a lot of abuse, threats, and stress
    ———–
    
    It is also not compulsory. Yet, there’s no shortage of applicants.
    
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    February 4, 2024 2:21pm
    - bennerg
      
      I agree it is a stressful job, but it is not a job you should accept without a plan. It is a job of governance, a place for people with life and business experience, not a place for those not yet old enough to have developed a full appreciation of the world, nor single issue lobbyists to ply their trade!
      
      A potential candidate need to understand the demands, and only stand if they are confident you have the ability, experience, physical & mental health, and stick-ability to see it through.
      
      I would like to see each candidate at national and local elections required to get 5 personal endorsements, from people who have known them personally for at least 5 years, with some position of society (teacher, lawyer … someone who can put their reputation on the line) – also not family members – to confirm their honesty, strength of character, and that they do not have mental or other issue that could affect their service as an elected official.
      
      This could see the likes of Tory Whanau eliminated before we experienced the embarassment of having the mayor in our Capital city outed as a flake after only a few months – and then stuck with her for 3 more years. In such situations, it would see the those providing the endorsement brought to task, so an incentive to ensure they only support those who will not tarnish their own reputation.
      
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      February 4, 2024 5:05pm
  - bennerg
    
    All parties advertise their list prior to the election, indicating the balance of skills and experience they are presenting for election. Just one person leaving and another coming onboard can significantly alter that balance.
    
    Each person putting their name forward for a List position, as well as an election, is making a promise. Apart for circumstances beyond their control, 3 years is what they should be committed to.
    
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    February 4, 2024 4:33pm
- peterwn
  
  In James Shaw’s case the replacement cost is small and there is no result perversion. One could ask whether Winston Peters should have stood for Parliament in a byelection in 2015 when he was already in Parliament on the list. There was a profound result perversion in that case.
  
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  February 4, 2024 2:41pm
  - bennerg
    
    Au contraire Peter, James Shaw leaving represents the greatest of “perversions”:
    
    1. He was a male co-leader, and leaving that position with the obvious choice of Chlöe Swarbrick, moves the so called Green Party far more in the hands of a cabal of far left, feminist firebrands, seemingly hell bent on social engineering and reordering.
    
    2. James was seen as a voice of balance, and reasonableness. On his departure the innate intentions of the others will be unfettered.
    
    Despite the talk up of Chlöe in the media, I believe this sea-change for the Green Party of New Zealand will see it’s ultimate demise, and my prediction is that they will sink below 5% at the next election.
    
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    February 4, 2024 4:42pm
kowtow

Wasn’t a problem when coal was king .

But the so called “progressives” know best.

‘The government is being warned that tight electricity supply situations could become more frequent, especially on cold winter mornings and evenings.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/business/govt-warned-over-tight-power-periods
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February 4, 2024 12:22pm
Chuck Bird

Never Again Is Now – Sydney 18 February

This should happen in NZ. A pro Israel march.

https://events.humanitix.com/never-again-is-now-sydney
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February 4, 2024 1:17pm
- Che Guava
  
  If Jews acknowledged that the recent and ongoing protests were not against Jews in themselves but were against the particular actions of Jews (namely, Israeli Jews), then they’d have to reflect on their actions and assess them and perhaps change them.
  
  But when Jews dishonestly pretend that the protests are motivated by an essential dislike of Jews regardless of their actions, then Jews don’t have to look at themselves but can blame everyone but themselves.
  
  Note that the motivation for the marches in you link is rising anti-semitism, but their is no acknowledgement of the context surrounding the rise. It just happens for no reason, apparently.
  
  It’s a bit like BLM’s proposition that, for instance, the mass incarceration of so many young black men, or their deaths during arrest, is a result of a systemic racial bias, rather than what is obvious, which is that’s it’s direct consequence of the actions of black males.
  
  But it’s much easier to blame everyone but yourself for the plight of your group, rather than identify and address the root cause. No doubt some cops are racist, and no doubt some protestors simply don’t like Jews for being Jews, but that doesn’t change the fact that in the main, there is an observable cause and effect relationship.
  
  Notice how there were no mass so-called “anti-Jewish protests” until Israel started taking particular actions in Gaza. You can disagree with the pro-Palestine/anti-Israel position, but there’s undoubtedly a clear causal relationship here between action and response, despite the Jews’ unwillingness to accept this relationship and to refuse to consider that their actions have led to an increase in antipathy towards them.
  
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  February 4, 2024 2:24pm
Hugh Jarse

Are the Police going to speak to the Green and Labour MPs about their inflammatory and intimidating language referring to the coalition as lions willing to rip the nation apart, enemies, Taniwha’s, redcoats coming to kill Maori and steal their toanga etc ?. This hyperbole is way past what you would expect as political criticism of policy.

They are deliberately trying create fear and to incite radicals to take unlawful action. If something seriously untoward happens at Waitangi and it seems there is every chance of that happening, it will rest at the feet of not only the offenders but these politicians.
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February 4, 2024 1:24pm
- Ghost
  
  Are some on the right seriously now needing a blankie and safe rooms? Don’t waste police time with this, it’s nothing, but damn people here are sure trying to make a mountain out of it
  
  Are we seriously at the point now where people are so precious they are jumping at anything not nice said? What’s next are some of you going to start putting up TikTok’s screaming and crying nooooooo, every time a leftie says something
  
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  February 4, 2024 1:45pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Bit over the top there Ghost, your comments are usually moderate and lots of time I agree with you. what I am concerned about as I said is the incitement of the addled activists amongst us by people who should know better than use to inflammatory language . So no I don’t need a blanket or a hug, I want to see so-called leaders be responsible, and if it was the right using the same language I would be saying the same, not too hard to understand is it ?
    
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    February 4, 2024 2:07pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I’m with you HA. Do you get the feeling ghost could be a ‘double-agent’ ??
      
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      February 4, 2024 2:47pm
      - Dougal10
        
        Or a tranny batting for both teams , but always taking the ornery argument
        
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        February 4, 2024 4:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Typically, it’s the sitting president who would get nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. However, Joe Biden is a war criminal, even if Congress won’t admit it.
Instead, Trump was just nominated for the prestigious award.

https://paintthenewsred.com/donald-trump-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize/
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February 4, 2024 1:52pm
Inthe09

Watching the traffic heading for Waitangi this morning – the number of late model $80-$100k utes with people waving the Maori flag out the window is noticeable. I’m not sure the whole ‘we deserve more’ line works so well when you’re yelling it from a new $100k Ranger with all the accessories.
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February 4, 2024 1:52pm
- kevn
  
  In09… Those Trusts can pay well. No so much for the so called beneficiaries, but the ‘administration’ can be pricey. Lots of ‘expenses’.
  
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  February 4, 2024 4:46pm
- Damocles11
  
  Probably employed in the public service as ‘cultural advisors’ or something similar.
  
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  February 4, 2024 6:12pm
Maggie Pie

Sooo funny to see the number of tweets saying…..
that the moment Chloe is annointed co-leader, the Member-for-Tijuana will become
her full time Glove Puppet 😛

Although on the other hand, a lot of others maintain…. “there is still another small matter to be cleared up first”

https://twitter.com/fr33k1w1/status/1752851194186440746

OMG the comments!
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February 4, 2024 2:04pm
- Ghost
  
  What still needs to be cleared up? Your blindness? That doesn’t look like Chloe. The woman in that video doesn’t have a tattoo on her arm, Chloe does. Seriously, this throwing around someone’s photo claiming it is Chloe is wrong. This lady in the photo is shopping, she is innocent and she is not Chloe. Go get your eyes tested.
  
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  February 4, 2024 2:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You have become so ‘snippy’ to everyone lately for some reason Ghost 🙁
    
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    February 4, 2024 2:30pm
    - Ghost
      
      Stop being one of those people that spread false shit then. You know it isn’t her. She has gone on tv and said it isn’t her, but you still do this.
      
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      February 4, 2024 2:34pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I dindonuffin except link to someone elses tweet 🙁
        
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        February 4, 2024 2:41pm
      - Inandout
        
        Gh, the retailer would know.
        
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        February 4, 2024 4:03pm
      - Ghost
        
        And the shop owner has laid no complaint against this lady. It very obvious from the video that as this lady walks near and by Golriz she is hiding what she is doing.
        
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        February 4, 2024 4:09pm
  - cmm
    
    I don’t think that it is Chloe, but the “she doesn’t have a tattoo” argument is BS.
    
    A) Chloe’s tattoo is small and quite diescrete. It would not show up very clearly in a grainy photograph, especially since the photos are not from the best angle to see the tattoo in question.
    
    B) If you do go through the video, carefully, frame by frame, you can see two frames which are from the correct angle to potentially expose any tattoo. In those two frames there are what appear to be a tattoo of generally the right pattern (the round curve of a stylized bee’s wing) in exactly the right place.
    
    It is a grainy photo. Those could be just artifacts of the video compression process. I make no allegations.
    
    However the “where’s the tattoo?” argument is pure nonsense.
    
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    February 4, 2024 2:49pm
    - Ghost
      
      Small? Here is her tattoo
      
      https://twitter.com/GregAFC/status/1747180147269394684?s=20
      
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      February 4, 2024 2:55pm
    - nathie
      
      At BFD early on in the saga, one of the commentators (possibly one of the Mods from memory) originally implied it was a Green Party staffer (IIRC? someone might have named the staffer and a google search showed a likeness).
      
      Since then the BFD (well one time when I took a look as only look occasionally) have appeared to ban discussion on this matter, so who knows.
      
      But I think it’s because it isn’t Chloe and whomever that person is has done nothing wrong so unnecessarily bringing her into the public domain could result in legal ramifications. (Plus whoever she is has a tidy hair style – unlike Chloe)!
      
      Note: I don’t mean you (by raising it), nor Maggie as she is being satirical. I just mean if someone stated this as a matter of fact.
      
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      February 4, 2024 4:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So look at the left arm. The security video could well be a horizontal flipped vid just like the overhead monitors in the supermarket booze isle.
  I walk down the left isle but the monitor shows me walking down the right.
  Try it!
  
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  February 4, 2024 2:20pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And compare the ‘hair-parting’ in some of the replies Steve.
    
    I know they say everyone has a doppelganger, but….
    
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    February 4, 2024 2:34pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Just GG’s lookout who didn’t notice the camera. Doesn’t matter who she looks like but interesting to consider.
  
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  February 4, 2024 3:18pm
  - Ghost
    
    You should be careful about making accusations like that
    
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    February 4, 2024 3:23pm
    - kevn
      
      Ghost… Why do you think the clothing shop released that image from their footage?
      
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      February 4, 2024 3:27pm
      - Ghost
        
        It’s not Chloe, and the fact Gloria hides what she is doing as the woman walks by should be enough to tell you that she doesn’t know her
        
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        February 4, 2024 3:44pm
- imalwaysright
  
  If Tequila Tony was my glove puppet I’d make sure I was holding a cactus.
  
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  February 4, 2024 4:37pm
  - greybeard
    
    Or a “Carolina Reaper”, in at least 2 gloves.
    
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    February 4, 2024 6:00pm
- greybeard
  
  1. There must be lots of other CCTV camera records, in all of the named locations.
  And there must be lots of CCTV camera recordings for locations in the near vicinity, across the road, etc etc.
  
  2. All of the locations involved must have CCTV records for the time periods stated, otherwise why have them ?
  
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  February 4, 2024 5:59pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder how much climate change hysteria contributes to youth suicde.

PM Luxon puts social media companies on notice as Zuckerberg confronted by US Congress | Newshub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_OW1wGipJ8
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February 4, 2024 2:32pm
kevn

Ghost… A blowfly copulating. Classy.
Nothing like a bit of concealer the Aussie gang members use when you are tired of the blowfly.
But, hey, she said, ‘wasn’t me’.
We all know pollies are true to their word. End of.
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February 4, 2024 3:25pm
- Ghost
  
  For goodness sake listen how pathetic you people are becoming. She’s covered the tattoo with concealer. Seriously you are just getting more desperate.
  
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  February 4, 2024 3:45pm
  - kevn
    
    Ghost… ‘you people’… lol. I missed the ///////////
    and you have lost your sense of humour.
    
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    February 4, 2024 3:59pm
Maggie Pie

“ALL RISE”!

https://twitter.com/etangata/status/1753966147589087742
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February 4, 2024 3:27pm
- lifesgood
  
  Why are they wearing colonial clothes? That’s disgraceful.
  
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  February 4, 2024 4:38pm
  - rouppe
    
    It astonishes me how much they have colonialism while literally dropping with the benefits colonialism brought.
    
    The hats go without saying.
    
    I bet even the tiki were carved using steel
    
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    February 4, 2024 6:44pm
Swifty

Mrs and Mr Flava Flav arrive at Waitangi:

https://tkr.ro/e/EX3MDLunEn3q4G8O

The fact that these leaders of a political party in receipt of hundreds of thousands of dollars in unlawful donations, from a registered charity no less, and are not being mercilessly hounded by our news media tells me all I need to know about our current political landscape.

If it were National or ACT it would never leave the front page.

I note too of the harms to Maori by colonisation mentioned by Waititi – but I can plainly see the results he’s enjoying from his recent bariatric surgery; the man must have lost tens of kilos.

He’s a walking, talking hypocrite of the highest order – he and his well-heeled family are in the top 1% of income earners in this country but endlessly whinges and moans about how hard done by Maori are, and how the whole system is set up to keep them down.

His deceit, his poisonous views, but most of all his riding the back of Maori victimhood make me want to puke.
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February 4, 2024 3:45pm
- kevn
  
  Swifty… I can tell you many genuine Maori, contributing to NZ in various ways, aren’t impressed either.
  
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  February 4, 2024 4:01pm
  - nathie
    
    What was the stats the other day (sorry can’t find it), that more Maori voted National than TPM.
    
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    February 4, 2024 5:02pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Don’t forget, on election night, Debbie smirking to her mate when the interviewer asked how they got so many votes.
  
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  February 4, 2024 4:41pm
- nathie
  
  Well said Swifty. He’s another person (well paid too) content to act the fool rather than work towards improving outcomes.
  
  Former Te Pāti Māori co-leader Te Ururoa Flavell, who was working hard to improve Maori outcomes with John Key and Bill English, must be gutted his replacement is a lazy fake imposter.
  
  And let’s not forget another former Te Pāti Māori co-leader Tariana Turia campaigned for National’s Harete Hipango rather than support Debbie Ngarewa-Packer for the Te Tai Hauāuru electorate in 2023.
  
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  February 4, 2024 5:12pm
- herb1
  
  Clearly he’s only against the colonisation of New Zealand.
  He demonstrates his support of American colonisation by his wearing of the American Cowboy hat. Clearly the wiping out of numerous indigenous tribes and the keeping of African slaves is ok with him.
  
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  February 4, 2024 5:13pm
  - Swifty
    
    I was reading the other day about the quite extensive holding of African slaves by Native Americans who were used for all manner of manual labour – they were in fact among the slave owners who held out the longest, being among the last groups to give their slaves up.
    
    Interesting.
    
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    February 4, 2024 6:32pm
    - cmm
      
      There were many black landowners in USA that owned slaves too.
      
      Slavery is a class issue, not a race issue.
      
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      February 4, 2024 8:11pm
rouppe

MBIE says:

A briefing to the incoming energy minister says the country was electrifying further while relying more on intermittent generation such as wind and solar.

“Our most immediate challenge is to ensure sufficient electricity generation to meet peak demand during cold winter mornings and evenings,” the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment said.

No shit, Sherlock.

Why are you only saying this now?
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February 4, 2024 3:56pm
- Dougal10
  
  Because their jobs are now under scrutiny .
  
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  February 4, 2024 4:32pm
- Piniwi
  
  They might got a shock with increased demand as a cold streak is passing through causing their undies to bunch up to keep their nuts warm.
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:40pm
judith8409121

If you haven’t heard about the defamation trial brought about by that loathsome little cult climate liar Michael Mann your missing a treat. Hope that this backfires on him and his group of narcissistic cult believers – well worth it if you want an in-depth look into the games played by this group. Listen to it here
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/climate-change-on-trial/id1713827256
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February 4, 2024 4:11pm
Gravelroad

I hope that Mr Luxon and Mr Seymour have professional security people surrounding them when they go to Waitangi Day “celebrations”.
Some people are in a state of righteous hysteria over Maori issues.
It wouldn’t take much for one or two of them to try to make a name for themselves with mindless violence directed at politicians they don’t like.
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February 4, 2024 4:50pm
- herb1
  
  Especially with Henares incitement to violence, which seemingly he’s getting away with.
  
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  February 4, 2024 5:07pm
- peterwn
  
  Mr Luxon is protected continuously by the Police Diplomatic Protection Squad. No doubt the Squad will do what is needed to ensure Mr Luxon’s safety. Ministers are (AFAIK) not afforded continuous protection but presumably have protection if threats are made etc. When John Key became PM in 2008, lefties took great glee in pointing out that his Police protection costs escalated considerably compared with Helen Clark’s. Helen did not really want protection and in any case was left alone by political enemies, nut cases, etc. John Key simply being Centre-Right drew much more attention from agitators, nut cases, etc.
  
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  February 4, 2024 5:27pm
- Prince
  
  TVNZ appears to be in a state of ecstasy over the potential physical attacks.
  I guess they recognise a bump in ratings if any injuries/deaths inflicted.
  
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  February 4, 2024 8:27pm
Flossie

Just watching the cricket on TV and the camera shows a group of five – yes five! – uniformed police officers strolling in a group amongst the spectators. I wonder why.
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February 4, 2024 4:57pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’m sure they’re happier at the cricket than Waitangi
  
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  February 4, 2024 5:53pm
Tauhei Notts

Grammatical pedant.
The wonderful cricket site, cricinfo, mentions that the Tangiwai Shield played for by South Africa and New Zealand commemorates Bob Blair’s fiance having lost the life in the Tangiwai disaster. Bob Blair had received a rapturous applause in 1953 when he appeared as a batsman (ok, old term) in a test match in South Africa after hearing of his intended’s demise.
Trouble is; by spelling fiancee “fiance” it implies that the intended marriage would be N.Z.’s first same sex marriage.
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February 4, 2024 5:38pm
Damocles11

Hipkins was paddling a waka on OneEwes tonight; at what point will he get a full facial moko?
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February 4, 2024 6:08pm
Ghost

A shocking article

8 Signs That Demonstrate How Truly Bizarre Our Society Is Becoming

#6 During a Senate hearing on Wednesday, Ted Cruz asked Mark Zuckerberg why Instagram users are given the option to “see results anyway” when attempting to pull up images of child sexual abuse…

How anyone can allow access to child porn because you might be wrong, damn

Cruz pointed to a 2013 report that Instagram’s algorithm was connecting pedophiles to accounts that advertised the sale of child porn – some of them run by children themselves, or featuring sex-trafficked kids.

‘This content wasn’t just living in the dark corners of Instagram, the algorithm was helping pedophiles to find it by promoting graphic hashtags,’ he said.

He then held a blown-up screenshot of an Instagram prompt that asks users if they want to ‘get resources’ or ‘see results anyway’ when browsing harmful images.

The warning read ‘these results may contain images of child sexual abuse’, with an explanation underneath.

‘You gave users two choices: “Get resources or see results anyway”,’ Cruz said, speaking directly to the Meta founder.

‘Mr. Zuckerberg, what the hell were you thinking?’, barely pausing long enough for the Meta founder to respond.

Zuckerberg said the ‘basic science’ behind the warning was that it was better to direct people searching for such content to get help, rather than blocking it

‘I understand get resources, [but] in what sane universe is there a link for “see results anyway”?’

‘Well, because we might be wrong,’ Zuckerberg replied.

Article
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February 4, 2024 6:08pm
Maggie Pie

3EWES reporting… up to 50,000 expected to arrive at Waitangi tomorrow.

Do these people not realise Monday is not a holiday?
Have they not got jobs to go to? FFS!!
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February 4, 2024 6:18pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… The lengths some will go to for a free feed.
  Remember the Hamilton folks travelling to the Auckland City Mission Christmas do… for a free feed?
  
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  February 4, 2024 7:08pm
- Piniwi
  
  No way they all on the gravy train and are ganging up to try and stop it being derailed. Remember this a group of tribes that were eating each other to extinction before the TOW just as they consumed the true indigenous people that were here before they arrived.
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:32pm
gorse

Waitangi – my opinion is that if anyone in our elected Government is assaulted, abused or generally belittled, they should all leave the place. Anything like that happening would, I hope, galvanise any fence sitters, including Luxon, into supporting ACT’s position on the “treaty”.
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February 4, 2024 7:18pm
Swifty

The NZ Labour Party, using the powers of the state, forcing employers to pay staff more – in the absence of any productivity improvements or indeed any knowledge of their ability to pay “was one of their greatest achievements…”

http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/02/government-says-fuck-poor.html?m=1

My god, the barrenness of this worldview just leaves me gobsmacked.

Far from being a great achievement it was in fact a cheap electoral bribe which they readily took to because they had absolutely no other ideas to boost the nation’s wealth.

What a pack of losers – with Harbrow their great cheerleader.

What does that say about him?
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February 4, 2024 8:01pm
- Swifty
  
  Oh and by the way, signing a piece of paper to raise the minimum wage – well any monkey could do that.
  
  ‘One of their greatest achievements’ my arse.
  
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  February 4, 2024 8:47pm
  - AitchW
    
    Wankers. Minimum wage is for 18 year olds living at home doing menial jobs. Grown ups do grown up jobs and work to improve their incomes. A $24 minimum wage does nothing to encourage people to work hard, get better jobs and improve their lot in life. It also forces small businesses to pay staff a shit load more than they are worth and consequently forces them to increase prices. Fuck Labour.
    
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    February 4, 2024 9:24pm
- Ghost
  
  Economy isn’t doing great thanks to labour, let’s follow the labour way and close down business because they can’t afford the min wage increase. We had two close down here because of that last year, thanks labour.
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:37pm
Fisiani2

I fully expect that Chris Luxon ,the Prime Minister of NZ will be not listened to or respected at Waitangi.
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February 4, 2024 10:00pm
- DistantObserver
  
  He has a nicely polished head though, so the aerial mud pies should slide right off.
  
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  February 5, 2024 4:27am
Jethrod

I note from the Herald that the Far North Council is changing its name to:-
“Te Kaunihera o Te Hiku o te ika” meaning in short the the council of the tail of the fish.
That is well and good except for the fact that the fish rots from the head.
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