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Ghost

Amazing, woman no longer breastfeed ~~baby~~ pēpi Apparently they now chestfeed the ~~baby~~ pēpi

Sigh

Canterbury midwife initiates petition against Midwifery Council over proposed ‘Scope of Practice’ changes

There’s accusations the Midwifery Council is ignoring midwives, over proposed changes to its ‘Scope of Practice’.

Almost 3000 people have signed a petition against the revision – and replacing the words ‘women and baby’ with ‘whanau’.
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January 31, 2024 8:01am
- G152
  
  Can we get the names of those on that council?
  They should be named and shamed and investigated
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:09am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Bigot! Why can’t you be more inclusive, and diverse, and grant equity to men who get pregnant and breastfeed?
    
    I’m sorry, I meant to say people with a uterus, who chestfeed. I will self-flagellate for more than the usual time this morning to atone for my sins.
    
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    January 31, 2024 8:51am
    - pdm
      
      Lodden – your penance is to read every post for the last year at both The Standard and Daily Blog.
      
      Given the honesty you have shown on this site over a long period of time there is no need to report back on what you find.
      
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      January 31, 2024 9:07am
    - Lance
      
      Monty Python’s Life of Brian was meant to be an outrageous mockery of ridiculous and unlikly events.
      “We shall fight for your right to have babies brother”
      Alas is was prophetic
      
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      January 31, 2024 9:12am
    - sirknz
      
      Bigot. uterus is exclusive of the transgender community. It should be ‘bonus hole owners’.
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:36am
  - Vinicius
    
    One of the Council members is Sue Kedgeley.
    
    Full list is here:
    https://www.midwiferycouncil.health.nz/Public/Public/04.-About-Us/01.-The-Council.aspx?hkey=2a095e38-dab9-4918-9666-01462eccaaa8
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:41am
- cmm
  
  The worst part of this is that mucking around with the silly stuff draws the focus away from what is the more important stuff:
  * Terrible pre-natal behaviour such as drinking and smoking during pregnancy.
  * Terrible parenting and family violence against kids.
  
  So now the battle lines for the next 5 years will be over the nomenclature of chest vs breast feeding rather than whether breast-enabled parents are actually feeding the baby with such chest/breast milk.
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:16am
- imalwaysright
  
  Ghost,
  
  -Tumu Whakahaere, Chief Executive: Lesley Clarke
  
  She runs the outfit and is therefore responsible for this disgrace.
  
  Not sure if she is a chestfeeder. One would hope not.
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:16am
  - pdm
    
    What the hell is Tumu Whakahaere?
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:22am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Modi for chief exec, I think.
      
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      January 31, 2024 9:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That is udderly ridiculous.
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:17am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Perhaps but it’s important to stay abreast of these issues.
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:09am
    - Yabster
      
      this should be nipped in the bud…
      
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      January 31, 2024 10:26am
    - muzled
      
      Surely we need to change that to ‘achest’…
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:08am
      - Keith White
        
        Teatological.
        
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        January 31, 2024 11:29am
- Simon
  
  Yip this what National wants, to hand NZ over to these people in the form of ““co-governance”.
  
  Look at the people to the left of National. This is what co-governance will look like. “partnership with iwi”
  
  ??
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:26am
- Dave
  
  For a suitable fee, I’m prepared to take part in a co-governed taskforce purging texts in Aotearoa of non-inclusive, colonial settler sexism.
  
  Here is a sample of a dead white male’s English, which might be approved for modern antipodeans.
  
  My wahine’s* eyes are nothing like the sun;
  Coral is far more red than their lips’ red;
  If snow be white, why then their chest is dun…
  
  * Of course, ‘wahine’ is still gender specific terminology, probably cultural appropriation, and the use of English grammar – apostrophe ess – with a Māori word, highly problematic, but it can all be sorted out with good will and koha.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:43am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Someone tell the idiots this crap is so last year before the country becomes a laughing stock once again.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:59am
- PurplePen
  
  My small way of helping. Sent this request off to a suitable MP. I borrowed some words from “cmm” above. Hope you don’t mind.
  
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  Hon Nicole McKee
  ACT Party
  
  I was wondering if you would be willing to take up sponsoring or supporting the petition to parliament below. It’s a petition initiated by Deb Hayes, a midwife from Ashburton to look into the failure of the Midwifery Council to listen to 90 percent of NZ midwives.
  
  The council has decided to replace the terms “woman” and “mother” with the broader term “whānau” and the decision was opposed by 90% of respondents to a feedback document released in March 2023.
  
  Petition organiser Deb Hayes says the council hasn’t listened to feedback.
  
  “I think midwives might not have even bothered replying, because the Midwifery Council doesn’t listen to the feedback we give anyway.”
  
  The worst part of this is that mucking around with this silly stuff draws the focus away from what is the more important stuff:
  * Terrible pre-natal behaviour such as drinking and smoking during pregnancy.
  * Terrible parenting and family violence against kids.
  
  So now the battle lines for the next 5 years will be over the nomenclature of chest vs breast feeding, babies vs infants, and other terminology changes rather than whether breast-enabled parents are actually feeding the baby with such chest/breast milk. Ridiculous.
  
  WHY AM I ASKING YOU
  A friend of mine recommended it as he said you’ve got your head screwed on right and are get switched on. Plus, I wonder if Deb Hayes hasn’t yet asked for support from anyone in parliament yet, I don’t have any contact details for Deb. But I think it’s a great cause and needs support from someone in parliament. These women quietly do fantastic work for not really sufficient income and here they are being walked all over by the very agency that should be supporting them.
  
  REASON FOR PETITION
  The Midwifery Council has agreed to replace the words ‘woman, baby, and mother’, in English and in Te Reo, with ‘whānau’. Only 3.7% of respondents who submitted feedback in March 2023 agreed with the new scope – 90.8% were negative responses. I believe the scope is not fit for purpose written this way, that sex-based language is essential to midwifery, and that women’s sex-based rights are protected in NZ law and by the UN Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW).
  
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  January 31, 2024 10:32am
  - cmm
    
    Happy to have assisted.
    
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    January 31, 2024 2:08pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Ghost who walks – That midwife gone by lunch time….
  
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  January 31, 2024 6:32pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The good news for Wellington, at least as reported, is that it’s only the fresh water pipes that are failing. With one or two notable exceptions, we’re not seeing news about stormwater or (gulp) sewerage running down the streets.

Possibly the pipes are in better condition; or possibly Wellington has further to fall.

You decide.
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January 31, 2024 8:04am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I watched Sean Spicer talking to Andrew Bolt on Sky last night. He said it wasnt Trump the person voters were supporting it was what Trump stood for and in particular what he stood against. Voters are sick to death of the various elite classes telling them how to live their lives and then doing the opposite. They are sick of watching the elites feathering their nests and telling the peasants to be grateful for the crumbs that fall from the table. They are sick of the elites lying. The voters know they are lying the elites know the citizens know they are lying yet they still lie. IMHO unless he suffers from a JFK between now and 5 November Trump will win and win comfortably. The same applies in NZ. We have the same elite classes looking down on us as mere peasants. We need a Trump to drain our swamp.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:08am
  - Its only I
    
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    Trump is shedding Women, educated and independent voters faster than gaining the billy bob joe hicks and non contributing angry old dudes scared of the world.
    Trump will drop to just to just his klan supporters when convicted….hence the Habba theater trying to keep the blind faithful at every single loss.
    The Orange Mussolini is the swamp.
    Get rid of the rapist trump and replace it with a real republican and the hatred for dottery Biden will carry them home to victory.
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:33am
    - krazykiwi
      
      “the billy bob joe hicks and non contributing angry old dudes scared of the world”
      
      Made me laugh. Not the words, more that someone believes them.
      
      I’d get your TDS checked out, IoI. Looks nasty, and could be metastasizing. Chop, chop.
      
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      January 31, 2024 9:50am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Its only I must work for CNN
      
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      January 31, 2024 10:02am
      - Its only I
        
        Fox and Newsmax are all reporting the Maga “pass nothing until Trump” comments from Maga Republicans.
        
        Why the gasslighting?
        
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        January 31, 2024 11:42am
    - emmess
      
      Oh really?
      https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:20am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Wait until the 6 November. The GOP know The Donald is their best and only hope. If Biden is the question Trump is the answer.
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:52am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I have my doubts that Trump will be facing off against Biden. Biden is so mentally impaired that his handlers are struggling to maintain their place in the darkness. They will want a different puppet. Michelle Obama? Dunno.
        
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        January 31, 2024 1:58pm
      - Stellaboxer
        
        The GOP don’t care who gets into power its all the same to them as long as its not anyone that’s principled.
        
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        January 31, 2024 3:20pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I think the Governor of the woke basket case known as California (Gavin Newsom) is being considered.
        
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        January 31, 2024 6:02pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “He said it wasn’t Trump the person voters were supporting it was what Trump stood for and in particular what he stood against”
    
    Agreed. As I commented the other day
    
    I know how to separate the Trump person from the Trump administration. The man is boorish, but the evidence of his administration’s strong performance is lying in plain sight.
    
    Now, since it appears to be a choice between Trump and whoever Biden’s handlers smuggle to the front of Dem consciousness, and seeing the utter destruction visited upon the USA under Biden’s presidency… how could anyone not want Trump to be the next president?
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:53am
    - Its only I
      
      The US economy is doing well the border was sorted by a bipartisan deal put together by real republicans and dems..until the tRump told the drones to put HIM over party and country and shut every single thing down all the while hoping for a recession…wanker!
      Imagine the mileage the republicans could have gained by taking the credit. Instead they are deliberately creating a problem for Jesus II to form miracles.
      
      The MAGA republican cancer in the party is working for a Kleptocracy not a democracy.
      
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      January 31, 2024 10:21am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Wow man, you’ve really got it bad.
        
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        January 31, 2024 10:46am
      - Dougal10
        
        I suspect you are right , but the fastest way for the republican’s to move on will be trump for 4 years ,then he’s done his 2 terms . By then the republicans in the senate and congress may have decided on a way forward from their leaderless mess
        
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        January 31, 2024 10:58am
      - Homas
        
        “The MAGA republican cancer in the party is working for a Kleptocracy not a democracy.”
        
        There was no need to bring Golriz into this. Shame.
        
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        January 31, 2024 11:44am
      - lastmanstanding
        
        10 million illegals across the border since Biden Admin and coming across at the rate of 2.5 million pa. All future Dem voters thats why Biden is letting them in. Trouble is they are winding up in Dem cities and pissing off the city authorities and citizens. This will not end well for the Dems.
        
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        January 31, 2024 12:01pm
      - herb1
        
        Look , it’s better to speak on things you understand, lest you risk making a fool of yourself. Great historical advice that sadly some don’t accept
        
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        January 31, 2024 3:01pm
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      What exactly is the evidence of the Trump administration’s strong performance?
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:07am
      - krazykiwi
        
        There’s a little list here.
        
        You’re welcome.
        
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        January 31, 2024 1:55pm
      - mawm
        
        Krazy – it is pointless trying to be rational with a person who can only sprout the MSM disinformation.
        
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        January 31, 2024 3:48pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Liberal” people who present themselves as intellectuals are most susceptible to the condition (some would say mental illness) known as TDS.
        
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        January 31, 2024 6:07pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    lastmanstanding – Luxon is not Trump. He is more of Joe Biden. Move on…..
    
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    January 31, 2024 6:33pm
Yvette

• Care or normal administration of what is Maori possessions, like the now established ownership of Lake Taupo lakebed by Ngāti Tūwharetoa

• Co-management by Government and iwi like of the Waikato River

• Governance by democratically elected Government (funny enough) of public services, with input from Maori, as with Islamic Asociations or any other ethnic entity, with democratic submissions by those groups or individuals, and targeted services if required to met special actual needs of those same people

• “Co-governance” is none of these
Or outright “full governance” as established by Labour in the Maori Advisory Council presiding over Taumata Arowai, the Water Regulator, or Mana o te Wai Statements available only to Maori

There are not two suns in the sky, as was explained to Maori some time ago, or that governance by “pakeha” was understood as Pilate was to the Jews, which the Waitangi Tribunal offers as evidence that Maori understood what they were signing up to.

Government should run ads in media like the saturation Ardern warnings about covid, and for perhaps the same reason – to avoid deaths, and hospitalisations, if her Maori MP Willie Jackson is right about anyone prepared “to go to war”
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January 31, 2024 8:05am
- tf78
  
  If Maori – the first settlers in New Zealand, had taken so called ownership of said country there would never have been a Treaty as it would not be necessary. So logically, because they couldn’t live peacefully together they wanted Queen Victoria and her heirs to mediate and rule the country for the unity of the country and equality of it’s people.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:27am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Good point. It’s often overlooked in all the noise that the Treaty’s main benefit to Maori was not that they became subjects of the Crown with equal rights but that they were protected from the incessant tribal warfare that had increasingly decimated their populations.
    
    If the Brits had walked away the slaughter would have continued, the land eventually gobbled up by the first European power to take it.
    
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    January 31, 2024 11:50am
  - Paulus
    
    Who said different Iwi led a peaceful existence ?
    Where did they get their human food from, after killing off all the animal and bird life ?
    When did they invent such as Cows and Sheep and Chickens upon which to feed ?
    
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    January 31, 2024 1:33pm
artemisia

Herald today. Pacific babies are still dying in their sleep in high numbers Several reasons given by researchers, but one reason not given was if families were given advice but did not follow it. However, according to the article, proposed solutions from researchers are ongoing support and a communications strategy. So more money then, including of course for the researchers for follow up.

How hard would it be to make a few phone calls to pastors and others well known in the PI community to say – tell your community to pass the word about safe sleeping. It’s a strategy, but could happen in a day and cost nothing.
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January 31, 2024 8:07am
- cmm
  
  Nobody wants to address the cultural elephant in the room:
  * if you’re going to use traditional childcare methods then you should expect traditional results.
  * if you want Western results then it’s maybe a good idea to adopt Western methods.
  
  Instead they’re trying to rebrand some Western methods in a cultural way. For example the “traditional” pepe pod things. There is no evidence at all that these are in any way traditional. Bullshit cultural airbrushing.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:51am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    All about people who are pissed off with their lack of personal effort and thus their lack of personal success in life, joining a cult (IE “our people”) so they can lash out at the imagined “other” rather than looking at themselves.
    
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    January 31, 2024 6:13pm
greenfinger

Chloe might well get in as the Green leader but can she take the scrutiny and pressure? Having gift of the gap is not enough. No point putting someone up who can’t handle the heat in the kitchen as this goes with the territory. There has been so many that have resorted to “not enough left in the tank” and “health issue” as reasons to quit their jobs these days.
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January 31, 2024 8:10am
- John Loveridge
  
  Not so much the gift of the gab as a tendency to blabber hysterically.
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:43am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    John – Yes. Watch her election night speech.
    
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    January 31, 2024 6:34pm
- Damocles11
  
  ‘Gift of the gap’ to describe the female gender. Brilliant.
  
  She’s got a way with words as well.
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:46am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Chloe has a mental health condition; she’s said as much herself – ADHD, isn’t it?
  
  Someone with an inability to focus, or who obsesses on points & is not responsive to others’ PoV doesn’t sound to me like a good pick for a leadership role.
  
  But hey, it’s the Greens.
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:59am
  - Ghost
    
    So what, she has adhd, big deal.
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:39am
    - rouppe
      
      It’ll be a big deal when she has her feet put to the fire on something.
      
      I agree with nevermind. If someone with health issues puts themself into a leadership position, don’t complain if you can’t cope.
      
      Muller should never have gone for National’s leadership. Whether Chloe can handle the heat remains to be seen, but I’ll have no sympathy for complaints about her mental state.
      
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      January 31, 2024 10:06am
      - riffer
        
        Interesting comment. Suggests that you would be okay with deliberate attacks on her in a way that would take advantage of her mental health.
        
        That’s a really shitty attitude, to be honest. If she was wheelchair bound, would it be acceptable to throw sticks at the wheels of her chair?
        
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        January 31, 2024 11:30am
      - Ghost
        
        Canada’s prime minister has adhd.
        Richard Branson has adhd
        
        There are a lot of high performing people with adhd. Some of you need to grow up
        
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        January 31, 2024 12:27pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        ‘Canada’s prime minister has adhd’
        
        I’m not sure that your example helps your point, Ghost
        
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        January 31, 2024 2:11pm
      - Ghost
        
        Whether you like him or not, it’s not impacted his leadership. There are plenty of politicians who have had mental health issue in leadership, including Winston Churchill who would talk of his “black dog“
        
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        January 31, 2024 2:35pm
      - mawm
        
        Ghost – you have highlighted the problem yourself. Yes a lot of high performing people have ADHD but not all people with ADHD are high performing. Neither Trudeau nor Chloe are high performing.
        
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        January 31, 2024 3:55pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Riffer mental health is pretty elastic and evolving when it comes to definitions. Not being able to walk is black and white obvious. Not being able to walk obviously should not in itself be an obstacle for leadership positions. Disabled legs does not mean an impaired brain.
        
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        January 31, 2024 6:21pm
      - Beach Haven expat
        
        When it does turn to doo-doo, she can play the “it’s terrible what women in politics face” card.
        
        Just like Kiri and Golriz, the spotlight and cash outweighs the terrible mental toll. Until they need an excuse for it going wrong.
        
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        January 31, 2024 6:37pm
    - lifesgood
      
      It means she’s unstable so it is a big deal.
      
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      January 31, 2024 2:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        No, it shows you have no idea what you are talking about. ADHD does not make a person unstable for anything, get over you ignorant prejudice.
        
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        January 31, 2024 3:02pm
      - mawm
        
        Ghost – From the Mental Health Foundation.
        
        ADHD is more than simply not being able to pay attention. It makes it difficult to manage your daily life, especially tasks that require organisation, planning and focus. ADHD can also affect your relationships with others. Sometimes people with ADHD also experience difficulties with alcohol, substance and drug abuse and ongoing emotional and lifestyle difficulties.
        
        Are you prepared to accept the above instead of insulting everybody?
        
        https://mentalhealth.org.nz/conditions/condition/adhd-in-adults
        
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        January 31, 2024 4:00pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost: “ADHD does not make a person unstable for anything.”
        
        Really? No need for medication then?
        
        From what I’ve seen ADHD does cause some strange behaviours (even with medicated people).
        
        I’d say the higher the responsibility levels the higher the chance of a person with a mental health condition crumbling under the stress.
        
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        January 31, 2024 6:24pm
  - cmm
    
    Having, or not having, ADHD is not a binary state. Rather it is a continuum from mild ADHD to complete debilitation. Or as those that like buzzwords say, a “spectrum”.
    
    For those like me, towards the mild end, there are various tools (especially just being aware) that allow people to self monitor and modify their behavior to fit in etc.
    
    But at the extreme end, that self monitoring/self management is not really possible. These people are emotional bombs. It would be unrealistic to have people like this in parliament.
    
    For someone like me to hide behind ADHD is bullshit though. Yes, I’ve had the odd spectacular melt down in a meeting but I have the tools to cope so I should be held responsible for my behaviour.
    
    I would expect that Chloe is on the mild side, but is just appropriating others’ conditions to paint her self a victim shield.
    
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    January 31, 2024 10:15am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Cmm,
      
      The problem is that these types move along the spectrum at will depending on the scale of their latest stuff up.
      
      We won’t hear them cite mental illness when things are going well. That fact alone tell us they are bullshitters .
      
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      January 31, 2024 10:42am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, preferably a diagnosis should be a useful step towards understanding and managing a condition. It should not be a victim card.
        
        ie. “Pete, you have ADHD. That means you will be prone to X and that will often make it hard for people to want to work with you. If people don’t want to work with you then you won’t get much done in life.
        So now you know that, there are some ways to detect what is going on and some tools to help manage your behaviour…”
        
        -or-
        
        “You’ve got ADHD. You’re a victim.”
        
        Guess which gives ADHD people the better chance of success in life?
        
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        January 31, 2024 2:13pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        CMM I think it’s useful to know one’s limitations/defects.
        
        Blundering forth as if master of the universe will inevitably end badly.
        
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        January 31, 2024 6:29pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Chloe gets soft soaped in the media… so her blowing a gasket under scrutiny is unlikely if the current media approach continues.
  
  She is a flake and mentally unwell. Why would anyone, and I mean anyone, think its healthy for Chloe to be the figurehead of a Party?
  
  We see Thunberg put up as a figurehead by the Climate Crisis manipulators which to me confirms that the Progressive movement is deeply anti-human as they have no qualms manipulating and exploiting a disturbed you g women for pecuniary gain.
  
  The new Left – the under 40s – are basically caught in a religious ferment, a true belief has blinded them to reality, to how to treat people with respect and that there are other ways to do things…
  
  Chloe as a co-leader is a disaster waiting to happen – bring it on and then the right of Centre politicians should goad her relentless to she has a melt down. Its a blood sport so its time she face the daggers of political combat
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:07am
  - Ghost
    
    So, she has adhd and suffered depression when her father had financial troubles.
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:33am
    - rouppe
      
      Based on your previous personal statements, you should know that when in that state, or disposed to depression, becoming leader of a political party would be the least healthy thing to do.
      
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      January 31, 2024 10:09am
      - Ghost
        
        She had depression when she was a child. She doesn’t have depression now.
        
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        January 31, 2024 12:24pm
    - Matt Long
      
      She certainly doesn’t look to suffer from OCD.
      
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      January 31, 2024 1:09pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      She also has dyscalculia – i.e. she doesn’t understand math.
      
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      January 31, 2024 4:06pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Ghost do you think you reflexively go into bat for women even when the facts would suggest it’s not really wise to do so?
      
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      January 31, 2024 6:32pm
  - cmm
    
    I have an image of a Green whale being gutted by a team of whalers armed with those long flensing knives.
    
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    January 31, 2024 2:16pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “She is a flake and mentally unwell. ”
    
    You are possibly being a bit mean but along those lines, aren’t those characteristics (to a lesser or greater degree) almost prerequisites for being in the Green Party?
    
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    January 31, 2024 6:35pm
- Piniwi
  
  Chloe already has a mental condition made public a little while ago that sems to be the cause of her tendency to run off at the mouth using 10+ words where less would actually say more. The media have already started doing puff pieces on her so it seems they are in her corner. Thankfully the Greens are on the opposition benches and likely to be for some time so few are concerned who/how they are led.
  
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  January 31, 2024 10:15am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Canabis (promoter) Chloe will be your Deputy PM in the Labour-Green-TPM gummit is 2026.
    
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    January 31, 2024 6:36pm
- PurplePen
  
  Next co-leader needs to be whomever is the most fruit-loopist person the gweens have .. to better ensure their rapid demise. Should all join up and vote for whomever that might be.
  
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  January 31, 2024 10:38am
NeverMindTheBollocks

An interesting story. One the one hand, a frustrated Winz case manager loses his cool with a former prisoner who walked out on Parnell accomodation who claimed the residents’ behaviour was unsafe for his drug rehab; on the other hand, Parnell business owners are fed up with KO tenants causing a local crime wave. So, perhaps the former prisoner has a point.

For me, the bigger question is why the former prisoner, clearly an immigrant from his accent, wasn’t kicked out of the country on release. He’s a drain on taxpayer resources and we could replace him in a heartbeat with any of the millions who want to come here. I don’t really care about his personal circumstances; he’s had his chance here & blown it. He should not be our problem.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/507988/work-and-income-case-manager-tells-client-seeking-housing-support-to-go-rob-a-bank

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/01/parnell-business-owners-blame-crime-wave-on-k-inga-ora-tenants.html
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January 31, 2024 8:12am
- MCōs
  
  If the guy is an NZ citizen he can’t be deported
  If he has permanent residence and committed the crime five years thereafter and been to prison for two years he’s not eligible for deportation
  Not the same as Oz where they’ll look for any excuse to send their bad bastards back over here to create mayhem
  https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/test/deportation-being-made-to-leave-new-zealand/when-you-can-be-deported-grounds-for-deportation/
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:24am
  - rouppe
    
    If he’s a dual citizen you can revoke his passport. Been done before.
    
    https://www.dia.govt.nz/press.nsf/d77da9b523f12931cc256ac5000d19b6/0bc2b12d6ec609a4cc256f570011beb0!OpenDocument
    
    Then some of those other constraints fall away
    
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    January 31, 2024 10:11am
    - cmm
      
      This was a special case in that he had falsified his citizenship application by not declaring the criminal charge.
      
      If you don’t falsify a citizenship application or offend after getting citizenship, then they will have a lot harder time revoking citizenship.
      
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      January 31, 2024 2:21pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I think there is some middle ground between what Oz does & what we should do. People who left NZ as babies – Oz needs to own them. People who come here from high school age & upwards – we need to have the tools to get rid of them for significant crimes. If that means tagging their residency permit or passport, then so be it.
    
    I don’t know what crime the former prisoner committed, but the fact that he made it to prison tells me it wasn’t trivial.
    
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    January 31, 2024 10:51am
  - Keith White
    
    He can be permanently locked out. The Labour Govt convinced the High(est) Court that minor matters such as the right to enter the country of your passport, the right to move freely when not convicted of any crime, the right to exercise bodily autonomy etc., could all be abrogated by the Govt of the day as they say fit. So, bed was made, let’s make these people lie in it. Sauce, goose, gander, minimal assembly required.
    
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    January 31, 2024 11:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Our Gang movement has dramatically increased since the Aussies sent their 501’s back and some are still out of prison, and leading very violent Gangs now -some 9,000 in all.
    More than Police ?
    
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    January 31, 2024 1:40pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yep unfortunately a significant percentage of NZ’s budget will need to be spent on policing and prisons to correct the last lots’ dereliction of duty in keeping New Zealanders safe from crims.
      
      Oh and prisons will actually need to reform people rather than turn them into even worse feral apes.
      
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      January 31, 2024 6:40pm
Simon

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has dug in on his intention not to support ACT’s controversial Treaty Principles Bill past the first reading — confirming he views the Treaty of Waitangi as “akin to partnership” between the Crown and Māori.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/30/luxon-affirms-treaty-akin-to-partnership-for-crown-and-iwi/

Partnership. What an absurdity. Has Luxon spelt out National’s position? It will no doubt develop as ACT makes progress.

“ Luxon has previously said National had “no intention” to support the bill beyond the first reading and select committee but still refused to fully commit to voting it down at later stages.”

But it looks like National might cave into the race Marxists, that is enforcing a Maori-ethno state. Because it only gets worse if National folds.
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January 31, 2024 8:13am
- mandk
  
  Wasn’t it “no commitment”, rather than “no intention”?
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:45am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Some clarity and transparency would be helpful .
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:05am
    - Elli
      
      Yesterday there was video on the NZ Herald where Luxon and Seymour agreed about the “akin to a partnership” question, with Luxon saying partners/those in relationships talk to each other. The implication I gathered was that National were now in favour of the dialogue and process that would eventually lead to a referendum. Luxon used several words to describe it. Here is the link to the video:
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/luxon-and-seymour-on-the-treaty-of-waitangi/NWCDWRKEJIH5ASBPYKE6A4E4D4/
      
      Seymour and Luxon are singing the same tune. Seymour emphasises his preference that race shouldn’t decide status, Luxon doesn’t go there because he doesn’t have to, both approaches lead to the same thing. To my eye, this is big news. It says that National’s “no committment” means due process will be done, and not as critics have interpretted as pointless time wasting because it will never reach referendum.
      
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      January 31, 2024 10:29am
  - rouppe
    
    Luxon has used both terms
    
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    January 31, 2024 10:13am
    - cmm
      
      From different faces.
      
      Luxon is really bending over backwards to not offend anyone.
      Bullshit.
      If you stand for something then you’ve inherently got to stand against something else.
      
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      January 31, 2024 2:24pm
  - cmm
    
    If you’re trying to walk the line that “no commitment” and “no intention” are materially different then we’re in the very fucked land of weasel words.
    
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    January 31, 2024 2:22pm
- Damocles11
  
  It was interesting to see Winston get up in Parliament and say (paraphrasing here) ‘How could Queen Victoria – she of the British Empire, on which it was said that the sun never set – not be in partnership with the people who lived around Buckingham Palace, yet be in partnership with a bunch of people living thousands of miles away, within the space of two hours?’
  All the time he was speaking Luxon had his head down engrossed in something on his phone.
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:52am
  - Ghost
    
    Ah, no. As is perfectly obvious in the video he is doing paperwork, it’s not uncommon for the pm to be working during question time
    
    https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=237697
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:05am
    - Damocles11
      
      Correction: ‘Had his head down, engrossed in paperwork’.
      
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      January 31, 2024 10:22am
  - imalwaysright
    
    He’s probably trying to get Mallard the Governor General job.
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:10am
    - MCōs
      
      I don’t think you’re right on that one
      
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      January 31, 2024 10:02am
- RoboRob
  
  I was disgusted to hear Luxon refer to his belief the treaty is a partnership. I am glad I voted Act rather than National. Luxon should perhaps consider a role on the left, perhaps the Green co leader?
  
  Does the man not read the mood of the country? Is he not getting poll results on this stuff?
  
  First he has a love fest with JA and keeps a 1/2 million dollar waste of money going. He says he wanted to cut wasteful spending but keeps the Christchurch call? Then he confirms he believes the treaty is a partnership, meaning he also supports co governance etc (cause that’s what a partnership means you f wit).
  
  WTF is going on with the world. Winston is making sense and doing decent things and the man who was supposed to be moving us to the right and sensible government is acting like a kamikaze pilot.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:07am
  - MCōs
    
    “Does the man not read the mood of the country? Is he not getting poll results on this stuff?”
    
    Maybe he is and you aren’t
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:27am
  - Ghost
    
    the mood of the country?
    
    The left got 41.59% of the votes
    NZ First and national got 41.16% of the votes
    Act, the only party campaigning for this got 8.64% of the vote
    
    Strangely I think some on this blog think that how this blog thinks is the mood of the country. I’ll give you a suggestion, people don’t give a fuck if the treaty is called a partnership or not. They care about the cost of living, they care about crime and education, they care about health.
    
    I’d say he reads the mood of the country rather well. As for the Christchurch call the funding for it is still from the 2023 budget. He asked her to stay on while they work out what to do with it. It has received no new funding under national.
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:28am
    - RoboRob
      
      Treaty issues aren’t a left vs right issue. Plenty of voters on the left dont think co governance is a good idea. Yes we need more public polling on these sorts of issues so we can get a better idea of what people want.
      
      National can do cost of living, crime, education, health etc and run a discussion on the future of the treaty and Waitangi tribunal at the same time. Its not a one or the other issue.
      
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      January 31, 2024 9:38am
      - Ghost
        
        Only one party campaigned for a referendum and their polling collapsed on the election day.the vast majority of people that voted for this government did so for the policies that national are following. Sorry but people who think the vast majority of the country are behind Seymour are dreaming. Under labour people rightfully called it the tail wagging the dog.
        
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        January 31, 2024 9:43am
      - RoboRob
        
        @Ghost
        
        Acts polling collapsed for a number of reasons. Since the referendum policy never changed I suspect the collapse of support had nothing to do with that.
        
        You can be behind the clarifying the treaty without supporting Seymour. You can support this government, as I do, and still disagree with Luxon on his believe in a treaty partnership.
        
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        January 31, 2024 9:54am
      - kowtow
        
        Ghost
        
        Luxon talked the big talk on the campaign trail about one man one vote , equality , rule of law etc in respect of the whole Maorification thing and I suspect the idiot swing voters were swayed by his hard man act .
        
        Now he’s in a position to really do what he said , bt it looks very like he’s just another Front Man for vested interests in the status quo .
        
        If NZ voters want real change then vote Act.
        
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        January 31, 2024 10:26am
      - Ghost
        
        kowtow
        
        Has he changed from one man one vote, no. Nothing he has campaigned on has changed, what has changed are the idiot voters who do not understand that act’s policy is acts. It’s not nz first, and it isn’t nationals.
        
        People are losing their cookies because national and nz first won’t say one way or the other what will happen after the select committee. There is more than one way to shift what is happening with the treaty, but sad,y people here are blinded to just one way, and think their way is the only way and has more support than it actually does. Political tragic people on a blog aren’t really reading the mood of the nation as well as they think they are, more the mood of the political tragic on the blog
        
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        January 31, 2024 1:52pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Labour are on 21% support as per the last poll, with support for the centre right government increasing. Meanwhile the Left are being rocked by scandals and defections.
      
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      January 31, 2024 10:36am
      - Ghost
        
        Only one poll matters and that’s the election results where everyone have their say as opposed to a thousand people who are polled and then people pretending that thousand represent NZ
        
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        January 31, 2024 10:39am
      - Matt Long
        
        At the election, people voted for a Coalition of ACT and National, with the possible inclusion of NZFirst.
        The policies of the coalition partners were clear.
        Those pushing co governance got a caning.
        As I’ve pointed out many times Luxon’s character and leanings were made clear when he chose not to meet with people damaged by the covid lockdowns and mandates, hopefully his wetness can be kept in check by new electorate MPs and coalition partners.
        For the political geniuses here, no , I’m not going to vote for Labour then.
        
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        January 31, 2024 1:19pm
  - Paulus
    
    Listening to Shane Jones I now know who I back in this.
    And I voted National again.
    
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    January 31, 2024 1:42pm
  - miltonF
    
    I tried to warn everyone about Luxon. I have to seriously question the ability of kiwis to judge someone’s character. Sometimes I feel like I’m living in the twilight zone. Jacindamania was the perfect example of this phenomenon. It was clear after a couple of months, what her character was. Despicable. Yet people continued to fawn over her. With Luxon, we’ve known for quite some time what his character is like. Long before the election. You can’t support Labours tyrannical vaccine mandate system and also be the “good guy”. What exactly did you all expect?
    
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    January 31, 2024 4:44pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Luxon just wants to run NZ like a corporate company. Be a good manager and don’t scare the horses. He referred to ‘companies’ in the House today when he should have said ‘countries’. This freudian slip shows where his head is at.
      
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      January 31, 2024 6:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Has Luxon spelt out National’s position, or his own position?
  No more Ardern style “Captain’s calls” that bypass any discussion.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:13am
- pdm
  
  Simon – What you say is what worries me most about Luxon.
  
  He will be okay on the economy because he understands how it works.
  
  The Maorification of New Zealand is a different issue and he is out of his depth. He does not understand that whatever he says will offend Willie, Tuku and co so it is better to be direct and tell them to wind their necks in.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:16am
  - Aquarius
    
    Remember
    Luxon started and led the maorification of AIRNZ …
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:02pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Message to Luxon. Point me to the reference in either Maori or English version of the ToW that says it was a partnership. You cant because it wasnt. It was called a Treaty because thats what it was. If it had been a Partnership it would have been called a partnership. Gezz mate you must have done at least some legal studies at some point. If so you would know the differences and they are many between a Treaty and a Partnership. And as I have said before why the hell would Queen Vicky want to do a Partnership with a bunch of cannibals living on a some islands at the bottom of the world. FFS man get a grip on yourself and stop making yourself look like an idiot. Stop pandering to the elites. You look like a pathetic grovelling fool.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:25am
  - Keith White
    
    lms: “Nuanced, but accurate.” 🙂
    
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    January 31, 2024 11:35am
  - lifesgood
    
    Oh I so hope Luxon reads this or someone tells him about it. Well said @lastman
    
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    January 31, 2024 2:53pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Luxon is a National party politician. That means he only cares about votes, not right and wrong. The referendum would probably succeed because most NZers don’t believe than ancestry should affect legal rights and entitlements.
  
  But Luxon is betting the minority care more about the issue and it will affect their vote, while the majority don’t care as much and would rather avoid conflict than get rid of race-based laws and policies.
  
  It is up to us to make sure he loses that bet.
  
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  January 31, 2024 10:20am
  - Positan
    
    Nigel, National under Sid Holland was once a party that stood for the right thing being done.
    I’ve been a member for 50+ years and I’m on the verge of quitting what’s become a wishy-washy party, completely disillusioned with the “Luxon direction” when I contrast what is so desperately needed from a PM.
    I’ve despised Winston since he opted for Ardern – BUT he’s actually showing up Luxon as to the stance a National Party PM should be portraying.
    I’ll put money on the next poll showing National support has flowed to ACT and NZ First.
    
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    January 31, 2024 10:38am
    - Matt Long
      
      Possibly, but the average vote probably doesn’t know who Chris Hipkins is and has just learned Luxon is the Prime Minister, so vote for him.
      
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      January 31, 2024 1:22pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Coalition of chaos falling apart Simon.
  
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  January 31, 2024 6:40pm
Yvette

A senior doctor is getting flown in from Australia to the Palmerston North Hospital for one week out of every four, working the remaining three remotely.
Te Whatu Ora will not discuss how much this costs, but says the senior addictions clinician position the doctor fills is difficult to recruit for.

What else did we get for Labour’s $1.9 billion spend on mental wellbeing?
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- pdm
  
  Te Whatu Ora?
  
  Aren’t they supposed to be Health New Zealand or something similar (in English) by now?
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:19am
  - wsk12345
    
    NZTA are still advertising jobs with the Mari name.
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:25am
    - Damocles11
      
      Last night Simon Dallow referred to NZTA as ‘Waka Kotahi’ on OneEwes. It’s pretty clear that the NZ deep state consider themselves to be ‘the resistance’ and have gone rogue.
      
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      January 31, 2024 10:26am
      - Jack5
        
        C’mon, PM, unleash Melissa Lee …
        
        Media diehards are dug in as a Woke resistance.
        
        How to counter. Step 1: re-take TVNZ by appointing sufficient new directors.
        
        Step 2: Do the same for Radio NZ.
        
        Step 3: Axe media subsidies for print and internet.
        
        To meet National ideas as spelled out a year or two ago on Kiwiblog by Melissa Lee, invite suggestions for small-scale support for important regional coverage, such as of courts.
        
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        January 31, 2024 11:27am
      - MCōs
        
        NZ deep state
        
        Crikey, Damo, that’s a bit strong
        
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        January 31, 2024 12:16pm
      - Paulus
        
        Dallow is not the only one, as it appears all public media are retaining all Maori names to upset the Government because they did not vote for them.
        
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        January 31, 2024 1:45pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Jack5,
        I am a fan of Melissa Lee. She is a dam good attack dog, but I don’t know why she is being restrained. Let her off the lease and she will totally destroy the leftist corrupt media. Could it be that Luxon and National think they need the media? They need things bent and twisted by the media? Why?
        Let her do the job that was assigned to her. The media are scared of her, let her get stuck in!!
        
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        January 31, 2024 2:18pm
      - miltonF
        
        Vivek R talks a lot about this in the books he has written. What happens is the public service becomes so enormous that it becomes a political force in itself. It works with its promoters (politicians that want to expand the state) and donors (corporations that want to expand the state) to attempt to usurp the process of democracy and prevent the will of the people being followed. This is what we call the “deep state”.
        
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        January 31, 2024 4:52pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Hillary just called the NZTA ‘Waka Kotahi’ on Seven Sharp.
        
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        January 31, 2024 7:08pm
  - MCōs
    
    Bad news for you, pdm
    I had a letter this very morning headed Te Whatu Ora, Health New Zealand; just like a ton of other correspondence I’ve received over the last year or so.
    
    Apart from that everything is in English with a note on the next page in ten languages of who to ring if you need assistance
    
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    January 31, 2024 10:17am
    - riffer
      
      Makes sense. There is a vast amount of letterhead paper printed. It would be a scandalous waste of money to toss all that out.
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:33am
      - MCōs
        
        It’s a pdf, which they then print out and send by DX Mail
        
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        January 31, 2024 12:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Labour were very good at wasting other people’s money. Dump the letterheads. Dump anything in the Public Sector that has been maorified.
        We are sick of that shit being rammed down our throats.
        
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        January 31, 2024 2:21pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    pdm – As long as Te Reo Luxon is PM, nothing changes. Move on.
    
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    January 31, 2024 6:58pm
Jethrod

Sign this petition at
https://petitions.parliament.nz/6e261231-b54c-4a00-a98c-08dc109c0ada

3097 @ 0815 with 30 days to go.
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- pdm
  
  Signed – 3,113 counting me at about 9.20am.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:24am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    phew – not even passed the guest count who attended Princess Cindy’s mega wedding
    
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    January 31, 2024 6:58pm
Matt Long

Maybe the Greek classics were removed from our education system for a reason.
Aristotle on Tyrants.
The tyrant prefers the company of aliens to citizens
https://x.com/M_Millerman/status/1722706332501807288?s=20
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January 31, 2024 8:23am
Grunter

The Nats are now clearly saying that the Treaty is “a partnership” or “a kin to a partnership”

KB Vote
Uptick if you think the Treaty IS NOT a partnership

Downtick if you agree that it IS a partnership
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January 31, 2024 8:24am
- Unity
  
  If National go ahead with this they will definitely be a one term Government. What a huge disappointment they will be if they do go ahead with it. There is going to be an almighty mess in this country if this happens.
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:44am
  - Swifty
    
    Polling says you’re wrong.
    
    According to Seymour, Curia have put some questions to people and those who support the government outweigh those who don’t by between two and three to one, depending on the specific question.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB-ghD8qqzQ
    
    This government has not only a mandate through winning the recent election, but also has the backing of a majority of New Zealanders on their treaty principles moves.
    
    This ‘one-term government’ stuff is just wishful thinking. And wishful thinking without factual foundation. It’s a lie being spread in the hope that it will scare the horses, just like you’ve done here today.
    
    You haven’t even bothered to give any reasons or evidence. Do you have any?
    
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    January 31, 2024 8:57am
    - Piniwi
      
      But Swifty it is not a National Govt but as we hear even Luxon reminding people so often it is a coalition of 3 parties. If he keeps heading down this path it could well be one term for National. Plus he has a tendency to let interviewers control the narrative with their spin then tries to make long winded answers. KISS. Keep it simple stupid and take control of the narrative.
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:27am
      - Paulus
        
        The so called Media Party are doing everything they can to divide the Democratically elected Triumvirate Government.
        
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        January 31, 2024 1:48pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Who is doing this polling? The google machine is not telling me much at all.
      
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      January 31, 2024 2:28pm
      - Swifty
        
        Curia.
        
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        January 31, 2024 3:16pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I’ll look at Curia.
        
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        January 31, 2024 4:09pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Will be a one term government? So if support drifts from them to ACT and NZ First then the centre right can’t form a government(?) Make it make sense.
    The Leftist bloc are currently unelectable, particularly with Shaw departing.
    
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    January 31, 2024 8:57am
    - MCōs
      
      I’ll tell you right now NZF won’t make 5% in 2027
      Winston will be eighty by then and Shane Jones ain’t no Winston
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:59am
      - Matt Long
        
        Maybe, maybe the new generation will make a move. Certainly National are out flanking NZF on the left leaving the centre and centre right wide open.
        
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        January 31, 2024 1:26pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Next General Election is 2026.
        If NZF is not an option then the voters will plain and simply vote ACT.
        National don’t seem to be interested in chasing votes, and that needs to be done all the time.
        
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        January 31, 2024 2:32pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    There is already an “almighty mess” caused by state-sanctioned ethnic privilege, and by politicians who lack the spine to oppose it, or worse endorse it in order to benefit from the division.
    
    If you stood for unity you would open your eyes.
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:03am
- mandk
  
  If the Treaty made Māori coequal subjects under the Crown, they couldn’t possibly be partners with the Crown at the same time.
  
  Alternatively, if you can be both a subject under the Crown and a partner to the Crown at the same time, this means that pakeha subjects are also partners.
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Te Pakeha don’t count as partners, only the special people.
    
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    January 31, 2024 2:33pm
  - Ehlana
    
    I saw a recent reference to the principles of the Treaty as including both partnership between Maori and the Crown and an obligation on the Crown to actively protect Maori.
    
    Partnership is what a husband and wife have. Active protection is what parents owe their children. So Maori are to be grown-ups when it comes to making decisions, but children when it comes to consequences?
    
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    February 1, 2024 12:55pm
- Grunter
  
  That ‘vote’ was more one-way than even I expected. I do realise that Kiwi Blog can be an ‘echo chamber’ on most issues (but clearly not all).
  
  I would encourage DPF (the polling expert) to conduct regular polls on the Treaty. Probably requires various questions to get some depth of understanding.
  
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  January 31, 2024 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

TEEN ALLEGES PACK RAPE BY AUCKLAND GANG MEMBERS

Riddle me this. Why has ‘The Horrid’ chosen NOT to name the gang members, nor the Gang they belong to, eventhough there is no suppression-order preventing them doing so?

‘The room stank of urine and was strewn with dog faeces. After the first man finished raping her, he turned off the light and closed the door as he left. She searched frantically in the dark for her clothes. But within minutes, the door handle turned and another gang member came in’

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1751023770167382195

I blame the mother 🙁
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January 31, 2024 8:36am
Yvette

“Te tiriti o Waitangi is sacrosanct!”
“There’s no question about this; this is an attempt to abolish the Treaty of Waitangi.”
“I sense that the mania that gripped iwi in the seabed and foreshore is starting to trickle through over the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.”
“We don’t expect to be just spoken to. We want the opportunity to be walking side by side and working with you.”
All recent quotes from prominent Māori figures, amid growing fear and anger over the fate of a 184-year-old document that a junior coalition partner wants to re-visit.
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has repeatedly said ACT’s bill calling for a referendum over the Treaty principles won’t get beyond its first reading.
That referendum looks to be dead in the water. [1]

“Te tiriti o Waitangi is sacrosanct!”
Agreed
That is why David Seymour wants to discuss why and what Labour did to fuck the Treaty over with promises, and so aspirations, that there be “two suns in the sky” – that, for example, Maori have exclusive access to Mana o te Wai Statements in an inclusive society.

“Co-governance” was such a departure from British Empire colonial hierarchy that it might have merited a little mention somewhere in the Treaty

That referendum looks to be dead in the water.
The water which Tukoroirangi Morgan wants to own and control
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[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018923991/the-treaty-of-waitangi-articles-principles-changes
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January 31, 2024 8:50am
stewmar

Is it just me or do there think that Luxon’s answers to questions put to him are way too long. Referencing his interview by Hosking this morning.
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January 31, 2024 9:03am
- imalwaysright
  
  Yes
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some answers are sounding like the last six years of word soup waffle.
  The media are just not smart enough to ask the hard questions.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:21am
  - pdm
    
    Hosking will Steve.
    
    He put Mark Mitchell on the rack this morning.
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:26am
- Cassandra
  
  Luxon gabbles. Too many words, delivered too quickly. He needs coaching in communication. Speak clearly, speak slowly. Yabber yabber yabber is NOT how to do it effectively.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:32am
  - Damocles11
    
    Sometimes he just whines.
    
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    January 31, 2024 10:28am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Cassandra – good that you have realised he is a waste of time. Chippie will eat him alive in Question Time.
    
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    January 31, 2024 7:01pm
- RoboRob
  
  Just listened to it. Yes, very long answers. Message not at all clear.
  
  I think Luxon honestly thinks he can work with Maori and perhaps grab the Maori vote. I am happy to be wrong but I think there is precisely ZERO chance of Maori supporting National.
  Sure maori will take what they can get from National, as they did under the treaty settlement process, but come election time they will vote Labour or TPM.
  
  I think Luxons efforts to court the Maori vote are muddling his message around co governance and treaty partnerships. Hopefully when he gets to Waitangi someone will through a dildo or the like at him and disabuse him of that notion.
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:32am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “I think Luxons efforts to court the Maori vote are…”
    
    … evidence that he will exploit racial enmity if it benefits him politically.
    
    Ardern, but with a blue tie.
    
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    January 31, 2024 9:39am
  - peterwn
    
    Chris would be looking for the votes of ordinary Maori, not the Maori elite. Will be interesting to see how Waitangi pans out.
    
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    January 31, 2024 10:08am
    - RoboRob
      
      My predictions for Waitangi ..
      
      50% chance of a riot breaking out.
      90% of something being thrown at Luxon.
      100% chance of verbal abuse.
      0% of any significant Maori speaking in favour of the current government.
      
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      January 31, 2024 1:20pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Maori have not supported National at any stage in this nations history. Support for the left is ingrained into every fibre of their beings. They act as though they believe it was Captain Cook from the National Party that paved the way for the hated ‘colonists’ to settle here. Luxon is stark raving mad if he thinks Maori will ever support National. Maori are interested in the people who ‘deliver for Maori’, and this euphemism simply means ‘deliver more power & taxpayer funds’. Labour and the left are committed to doing this, and Maori support for them will never waver.
    
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    January 31, 2024 10:33am
- Scooter
  
  He talks far too fast, waffles and should take some tips from David Seymour on how to communicate directly, calmly and to the point.
  
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  January 31, 2024 10:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    David Seymour really has matured Politically since 2014.
    He is just starting, there is much to come from this man.
    
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    January 31, 2024 2:43pm
- cmm
  
  Yup, it seems like he is hoping that by putting off answering he won’t offend anyone.
  
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  January 31, 2024 10:41am
- Piniwi
  
  No stewmar you are spot on. He always seems to be on the back foot talking his way out of a hole he tripped into. Watch the blonde bird on 1Ewes control the narrative with her little statements leading to the question. Likewise the AM show with the bird struggling to frame a question getting a long winded response. He needs to take a page out of Winston’s and keep short and sharp but perhaps before that he must make sure he and his Ministers are singing from the same song sheet. Mitchel dropped him in it by waffling on in QT and making 2 years 3 for the 500 new police recruits. As has been said the media party are sure to amplify any mistake or miss step they see/hear /perceive or invent.
  
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  January 31, 2024 11:43am
Yvette

The meters also offer the choice of English or te reo Māori instructions, which the council says supports its commitment to Pōneke becoming a bilingual city.

It is not the bloody parking meters anyone needs to be a little concerned about, but rather the Wellington City Council supporting “its commitment to Pōneke becoming a bilingual city”

Will there be dawn ceremonies and Maori names for larger potholes
And an Advisory Council to decide on the magnitude of potholes to be so named
And who has ownership of the lake-bed of a pothole if it fills with water?

Merde, I better take my medication
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January 31, 2024 9:15am
- krazykiwi
  
  “And who has ownership of the lake-bed of a pothole if it fills with water?”
  
  🙂
  
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  January 31, 2024 9:57am
  - Jethrod
    
    It’s what’s known as an Ouroboros!
    
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    January 31, 2024 10:14am
    - Yvette
      
      Jethrod, as you indicate – a perpetually change in an eternal cycle of destruction and re-creation – but in this case it is only destruction.
      Although the universe is mostly flat-lining, however with gaps in that flat line which can really bugger your vehicle if you drive down one of them
      May the farce be with you
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:39am
  - Keith White
    
    Waka Puddlewi.
    
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    January 31, 2024 11:37am
nathie

12 year old boy does a better job than the so-called experienced MSM when it comes to interviewing ignorant anti-Israel protesters!

https://twitter.com/DanielBerke1/status/1751622802531045419
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January 31, 2024 9:20am
Maggie Pie

I’ve got no idea who the new Immigration Minister is these days, but I think what we all deserve to know, is what’s happening with the deportation of convicted violent Czech drug dealer Karel Sroubek?

Seemed to drop completely off-the-radar under Ardern’s watch.
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January 31, 2024 10:16am
- imalwaysright
  
  Was his cousin her childs nanny and wasn’t he a friend of her friend ricky softshell?
  
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  January 31, 2024 10:27am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’ll need to double czech with my friend on that. Sounds legit tho.
    
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    January 31, 2024 10:47am
MCōs

Erica Stanford
Give her a call
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January 31, 2024 10:26am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Thnx Cossie! Can you give me her number?
  
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  January 31, 2024 10:40am
  - MCōs
    
    09 478 0207
    
    That’s an Auckland number so it’s probably her East Coast Bays office. You could make an appointment to see her. Should be a piece of cake, she’ll know you no doubt
    
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    January 31, 2024 11:44am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Oh cheers cos!
      I’ll probably get her to come over and see me tbh. Hate the Shore.
      No I don’t know her personally, but definately my kind of gal.
      She certainly would have been in the same group with me and the other cool kids at boarding school.
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:53am
      - MCōs
        
        Parts of the North Shore are quite pleasant, for example the new MWay north
        
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        January 31, 2024 1:43pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Oi! Next on the Shore have a look around instead of motorwaying through!
        
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        January 31, 2024 2:46pm
oldpark

Not hard to work out why Aotearoa came third .
Most of the world probably have never heard of Aotearoa.
If they had checked out where or who have come up with a name they probably marked it down as it was just another word used by control Freaks Ardern/Hipkins Maori caucus when they ruled and schooled “NEW ZEALAND” without any type of opposition in the period 2020 2023 .Go figure.
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January 31, 2024 10:32am
- MCōs
  
  Most of the world has never heard of Prathet Thai, Bharat, Kampuchea
  
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  January 31, 2024 6:22pm
Ghost

Former Green MP Golriz Ghahraman allegedly stole around $10,000 worth of clothing, court documents seen by Stuff show.

Article
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January 31, 2024 10:34am
- cmm
  
  Pushed back. As expected.
  
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  January 31, 2024 10:39am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Wonder if $tuffed and the MSM will be outside the Court tomorrow when she does the perp-walk?
  
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  January 31, 2024 10:44am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    You know as well as I Mags, that the MSM will be going full woe is me for Ghahraman. There will be wall to wall coverage of the threats she has received, the nastiness of ACT and National politicians, the severe stress she’s be under. There will be nothing about her being a kleptomaniac, or that she wasn’t up to her job, or that, if she was as stressed as the Greens make out, why they didn’t look after her.
    
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    January 31, 2024 11:01am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      And wonder if Harry had time to cut & paste a ‘Cultural Report’ for the dudge?
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:39am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Invin,
      
      ‘There will be wall to wall coverage of the threats she has received, …’
      
      There will be references to them but there will never be any evidence of them.
      
      Same with her supposed mental illnesses.
      
      Where are the screenshots?
      
      Where are the psychiatric reports?
      
      Thiefs are often also liars.
      
      Hopefully the judge will demand proof, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
      
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      January 31, 2024 11:44am
      - Ipanema69
        
        Not quite so sure on that myself. I have been to court representing myself on a few occasions. I have noticed that the judges always want to see the paperwork if you assert something.
        
        Still we shall see, it is not a trivial charge by any means!
        
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        January 31, 2024 2:18pm
  - Inandout
    
    Maggie, the entire legacy media will be awaiting the arrival of the chosen one.
    
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    January 31, 2024 11:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Something doesn’t sit right about stress being the cause for Ghahraman to steal $10,000 worth of goods.

And I think stress being used as an excuse for Kiri Allan to be driving a Government car on a Sunday evening while pissed needs further explanation.

It looks like we had MPs that lost any sense of a moral compass.. or perhaps they never had one.
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January 31, 2024 10:56am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  There is seldom one cause for anything. The offender and their supporters will naturally want to focus on causes that are the least blameworthy.
  
  Stress plus general lack of morals and respect for the law and the rights of others, might lead to shoplifting.
  
  Stress, plus being generally law abiding but lacking self control, might lead to a drinking problem or anger issues.
  
  And so on. The stress is not fake or an excuse. It’s just a small part of the whole story. She probably was under stress, and without that stress, she probably would not have shoplifted. But that should not mean her legal or moral responsibility is diminished. People seem to have trouble understanding that.
  
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  January 31, 2024 11:10am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “She probably was under stress, and without that stress, she probably would not have shoplifted”
    
    I don’t agree. Shoplifting happens all the time by people are aren’t stressed. The more likely explanation is that she is addicted to the dopamine hit that comes with “getting away with” stealing. Check out the “Are you a kleptomaniac survey?” on page 99 of this paper. GGs answers would be revealing.
    
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    January 31, 2024 2:38pm
- mandk
  
  Perhaps the answer lies in the communist dictum: “Property is theft”.
  
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  January 31, 2024 11:32am
- Paulus
  
  Ghahraman is not a former Labour Minister and an an unhappy, possible and pissed, and jilted from her latest lesbian partner of whom they are both Maori.
  
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  January 31, 2024 1:57pm
Scooter

$10,000 worth and still no dress sense, seems to only dress all in black.
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January 31, 2024 11:01am
gorse

First offence, will probably plead not guilty. I would be surprised if she got any gaol time.
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January 31, 2024 11:17am
Jack5

Artificial intelligence marches on.

At the International Mathematics Olympiad, Deep Mind’s AlphaGeometry language model has reached the level of a gold medallist. It solved 25 or 30 problems within a designated time.

The previous best AI system could solve only 10 problems set.

Deep Mind is a subsidiary of Google.

A taste of an article on the significance of AlphaGeometry, linked to below:

AlphaGeometry’s ability for dealing with complicated spatial configurations holds the potential to transform fields like architectural design and structural planning. Beyond its practical applications, AlphaGeometry could be useful exploring theoretical fields like physics. With its capacity to model complex geometric forms, it could play a pivotal role in unraveling intricate theories and uncovering novel insights in the realm of theoretical physics.

https://www.unite.ai/alphageometry-how-deepminds-ai-masters-geometry-problems-at-olympian-levels/
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January 31, 2024 11:57am
- NothingLeft
  
  When you look at exponential progressions progress looks nearly flat behind you and nearly vertical in front. The singularity is nearly here. Expect career ending AGI in next few years.
  
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  January 31, 2024 5:07pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Deep Thought was the supercomputer in Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy which calculated the meaning of life to be… 42.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy_characters#Deep_Thought
  
  Deep Throat sounds kind of the same but definitely isn’t.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Throat_(film)
  
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  January 31, 2024 5:57pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrTuGCX5uvo
Border Patrol Rebels Against Brandon 42.
They must have finally realized that they were American’s too. They must have re-read the Constitution. Texas has its own military, which can’t be federalized. Volunteers from 22 states are flocking to join.
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January 31, 2024 1:00pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd4aHLPH_F4
Don Brash on the Treaty of Waitangi.
Sean Plunket speaks to Don Brash about the Treaty of Waitangi.
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January 31, 2024 1:00pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Sean is planning on broadcasting the audio of the Orewa speech (maybe tomorrow). Wants to speak to Don Brash first though.
  
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  January 31, 2024 3:42pm
  - MCōs
    
    Is the Orewa Speech still a thing?
    
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    January 31, 2024 5:01pm
    - Albie
      
      Is the Orewa speech still a thing? It was 2o years ago, and in that time I don’t think we have advanced as a nation as far as race relations go. Not bad in comparison to some countries, but nevertheless not where we want to be if we want this country to progress. If anything, the usual suspects seem to be more determined than ever to divide and rule. Tune in to The Platform and have a listen to see how it stands in 2024 I would suggest.
      
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      January 31, 2024 5:18pm
Ghost

So, faking that someone has endorsed your post when they haven’t, and even worse someone who was up on rape charges. Sounds about right for labour

Labour has admitted to an error in using a GIF of divisive influencer Andrew Tate – a man charged with rape and human trafficking – to endorse a post on one of the party’s Instagram accounts.

Article

Future endorsements may come from the labour youth camp.
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January 31, 2024 1:10pm
Maggie Pie

O.M.G….thnx to AI some people have been soooo cruel to Tay-Tay!

https://twitter.com/CarlosSimancas/status/1752398055041638555
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January 31, 2024 1:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

I do hope Chris Luxon reads Dr Muriel Newman’s post – especially the comments.
Somehow NZ needs to get Luxon on track. ATM he is like a drunk Formula One driver.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/muriel-newman-nails-it-but-for-one-thing/?
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January 31, 2024 2:01pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from tennis tweets 😀 😀 😀

Chloe confirms she’ll run for co-leader of the party alongside Marama.

Intends changing pronouns to ….”he/him/his/himself”
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January 31, 2024 2:12pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie…. Just ‘whatever’ is fine.
  NZ doesn’t care that much.
  
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  January 31, 2024 2:35pm
Maggie Pie

Perhaps one for any lawyer here…

What does it mean that Golly…. ‘has been excused from attending’ her Court hearing at the end of February?
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January 31, 2024 4:12pm
- fernglas
  
  The first couple of calls are generally procedural, so it’s not unusual for them to be adjourned administratively with attendance excused
  
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  January 31, 2024 5:02pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Some people are saying it mite mean she will pleed guilty thru her lawyersand reqeust diversion?
    
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    January 31, 2024 5:46pm
    - fernglas
      
      If she is going to plead guilty she will need to be in Court as it is punishable by imprisonment. Having pleaded guilty she can ask for a discharge without conviction from the judge. Diversion is granted by the Police usually following an admission by the offender, and if completed successfully the charges are withdrawn. I haven’t dealt with any offences involving diversion for many years, but I don’t believe it is granted after a plea of guilty. For the full details of diversion, see this: https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/adult-diversion-scheme-guidelines.pdf
      
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      January 31, 2024 8:27pm
kevn

Maggie… Might be too stressful to attend?
DG might like to comment.
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January 31, 2024 4:21pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Maybe she had nothing to wear? 😎
  
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  January 31, 2024 4:27pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/home-property/350163986/youre-probably-vacuuming-your-carpet-wrong-according-cleaner
This is a Stuff homepage article today, folks.
I think it sums-up perfectly the level of “reporting” and “informing” to which this once-believable website has plunged.
Who doesn’t want to know about the intricacies of vacuuming one’s dirty floors ?
Well done Stuff !
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January 31, 2024 4:36pm
- miltonF
  
  Gee, I wonder what their target audience looks like?
  
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  January 31, 2024 5:26pm
Damocles11

‘Against the background of political unrest in the late 70s and early 80s, a member of a Māori activist family and the brother of a former politician is alleged to have repeatedly raped and indecently assaulted a young girl.
Taiawa Harawira, the brother of former Māori Party MP Hone Harawira, is facing trial at the Auckland District Court. Harawira is the son of the late Titewhai Harawira. He has pleaded not guilty to thirty charges of indecency with a girl under 12, four rape charges, including representative charges meaning it is alleged to have happened numerous times, and four charges of threatening to kill six charges of injuring with intent.’
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January 31, 2024 4:36pm
- herb1
  
  His nephew was the one blocking boat ramps last weekend.
  A thoroughly nasty family
  
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  January 31, 2024 6:42pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Hone might reflect on his comments on his daughters boyfriend choices
  
  https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22714199
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:01pm
Swifty

Defund UNRWA immediately.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=caSdJ019oNA

They’ve known about this for years and done nothing.

Transfer the funding to the other organisations operating in this area who operate with integrity.
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January 31, 2024 4:38pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Transfer the funding’
  
  Why fund them at all . The place is a huge militarised zone.
  Plenty of money for guns , rockets ( still being fired into Israel) tunnel building etc
  
  They’ve got plenty of funds for that.They don’t need funds from the west.
  
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  January 31, 2024 6:38pm
BeaB

Kim Hill meant many a Saturday morning spent listening to the radio rather than doing chores or going out. With the new announcer Susie Ferguson my Saturday mornings are all mine again. Why stay in for her lame questioning and predictable responses? I wonder what their ratings will look like with this avalanche of leftwing announcers.
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January 31, 2024 5:00pm
Chuck Bird

Does anyone think that Luxon would offer James Shaw the role of Climate Change Chair?

If he tries I hope Seymour will strongly oppose such an appointment.
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January 31, 2024 5:09pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  For what its worth Chuck, according to our neighbor at the beach who has knowlefge of these tings, its done & duzted.
  It will be Rod Car out – James Shaw in.
  
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  January 31, 2024 5:29pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I would hope that David Seymour has somthing to say about it.
    
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    January 31, 2024 5:31pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    How well connected is your neighbour?
    
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    January 31, 2024 5:37pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Did you noe see wot i posted on GD yesrtday morn??
      
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      January 31, 2024 5:42pm
  - Damocles11
    
    It really p*sses me off that ‘your neighbour’ knows exactly what is going on but National voters & the public don’t have a clue. What it speaks to is shocking corruption.
    
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    January 31, 2024 6:23pm
    - Ghost
      
      read the media because that is where the rumour started and it is interesting to see that James is wary of a politician taking the job
      
      Former Green Party leader James Shaw hasn’t rejected the idea of taking the chairman role at the Climate Change Commission but is wary of the notion of a former politician working an apolitical job.
      
      https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/james-shaw-addresses-climate-change-commission-job-link-after-resigning-as-greens-leader/
      
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      January 31, 2024 8:08pm
      - Damocles11
        
        The neighbour was on the ZB website and got the ‘rumour’ there, and the bloke is saying he’s wary of a polly doing it? But the neighbour says it’s a done deal. Sorry, two different things.
        
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        January 31, 2024 8:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        And you believe there really is a neighbour? Substitute neighbour for read it on twitter.
        
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        January 31, 2024 9:05pm
- Keith White
  
  I’d nominate Shaw for the King Canute Chair.
  
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  January 31, 2024 6:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He’d be just as effective as a Climate-Change Commissioner as King Canute.
    
    Might be the best choice in the long run… totally ineffective.
    
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    January 31, 2024 8:06pm
Maggie Pie

Sitting here watching the chase with a cheeky little chablis waitng for my partner to get home. Been thiking to myself …wonder wat the world will be like in a thosand years fron now?
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January 31, 2024 5:33pm
- Ghost
  
  A lot of head scratching as they are trying to work out why so many bones being exhumed have female names when they are males.
  
  Lots of papers being written on how dumb the human species was 1000 years ago as they couldn’t even tell the difference between a male and a female.
  
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  January 31, 2024 6:55pm
Gravelroad

Police Minister made to look like a total incompetent on Te News this evening.
Come on National – get your act together.
This is not what a lot of us voted for.
Every day a bit more credibility being chipped away.
Mr Luxon – do better.
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January 31, 2024 6:13pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s easy enough to promise this, that and the next thing to get the job.
  
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  January 31, 2024 8:22pm
Damocles11

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/31/govt-advisors-potential-conflict-of-interest-as-ratana-speaker/?fbclid=IwAR1ptPJgIgGSvtaqFU3VmlrPVeyFlrydIvtC584b1L_WENF0C8lq5sNCWwQ

‘Statistics New Zealand has confirmed it is looking into “a potential conflict [of interest] of a Stats NZ employee who spoke at Rātana Pā”.

Nika Rua stood as the first of a line-up of speakers at Rātana to challenge Prime Minister Christopher Luxon, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and ministers about Government plans for Māori, including the Treaty Principles Bill.

In his address last Wednesday, Rua condemned Peters and cabinet minister Shane Jones as taurekareka (slaves) for the Crown and said Jones had turned his back on Māori.’
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January 31, 2024 6:37pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Nika Rua is a descendant of Rua Kenana, prophet of the Ureweras, per RNZ
  
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  January 31, 2024 10:22pm
kevn

Gravel… The msm doing what they do and most of NZ can clearly see their game.
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January 31, 2024 7:41pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Don’t think the msm can be totally blamed for this one.
  The Minister stuffed up – forgot he had coalition partners to consider. Mr Peters had to get out of his rocking chair and put him right.
  Not a good look.
  I really want National to do well and provide positive leadership. Not seeing much so far.
  
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  January 31, 2024 7:57pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s not a stuff-up.
    
    It’s Labour pissing in the wind about a non-event and the MSM trying to make an issue out of somone giving a truthful assessment of the difficulties of recruiting more police.
    
    Did we ever see the MSM work-over Labour ministers for such minor clarifications of what they’d said?
    
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    January 31, 2024 8:03pm
  - Ghost
    
    He was honest, there is a lot of pressure recruiting, the aussies are over here recruiting our police, we have an aging police force with some nearing to retirement.
    
    Labour have been pushing a few things for the media to take up and push. Today it was an attempt to claim nz first policy came from a tobacco company who was donating to them. Expect a lot of this
    
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    January 31, 2024 8:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Labour Health spokesperson seems desperate to show how she cares about the poor folk who are now going to end up smoking more fags…
      
      such a pity she didn’t keep our Health System from crumbling under her watch.
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/01/general-practices-issue-formal-warning-to-government-doctors-at-breaking-point.html
      
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      January 31, 2024 8:25pm
    - MCōs
      
      Are you saying whoever agreed to 500 new police recruits in two years didn’t know about these inconveniences a couple of months ago?
      
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      January 31, 2024 8:32pm
      - Ghost
        
        Obviously not
        
        Hon MARK MITCHELL: The Government’s policy is to deliver 500 additional police officers over the term of this Government, which is three years, and we’ve been very clear that we understand the challenges around that, because, as the incoming Government, we discovered that it was difficult to fill existing recruit wings, that the Australians are here recruiting our police officers, and that we’ve got lots of senior police officers that are coming up to retirement.
        
        Hon MARK MITCHELL: Well, if the Minister had listened in the House last year, you would have heard me talking to this issue. The fact is that, as the incoming Government and with the advice that we got, it became immediately apparent that there were big issues around recruiting. They can’t fill current recruit wings, the Australians are here recruiting our police officers, and we’ve got senior police officers that are getting ready to retire.
        
        Hon MARK MITCHELL: No, I think that, as the incoming Government again, it became very apparent that the Police are under severe financial pressure because of the actions of the previous Government. We’ve been very clear that we’re going to deliver world-class front-line services, and the Police, like every other agency, is asked to look at their corporate services and their back-office services to see whether or not cuts can be achieved.
        
        https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20240130_20240130_24
        
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        January 31, 2024 8:37pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

One news is having a field day in mocking Luxon and Mark Mitchell over his police numbers in 2 years vs 3 years confusion. One news is the #1 enemy of the state.
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