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Scott

It is disturbing that Michael Hill stores are still being robbed in smash and grab raids in broad daylight. Bayfair store was robbed yesterday at 3pm after being robbed twice last year.

This can’t go on. What’s being done about it?

Two things from me. First I’d like to see the use of reasonable force being allowed to defend the stores. Security guards, even passers by, should be allowed to grab these robbers and use reasonable force to do so. If you are smashing and robbing a store then you should have very little rights.

Secondly I’d like to see these people caught and receive long sentences to deter this criminal behaviour. I include those people receiving the stolen goods.

This can’t go on. We used to be a low crime very safe country where people could shop in peace and security. We need to restore public order immediately.
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January 28, 2024 8:02am
- pdm
  
  ` If you are smashing and robbing a store then you should have very little rights.’
  
  This should fix it for you Scott.
  
  If you are smashing and robbing a store then you have NO rights.
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The display cases need to be made of polycarbonate or bullet proof glass.
  Something that takes a bit of breaking.
  Change the Law so the little arseholes doing this can be punished – and not with a bracelet. Forget the bleeding hearts and the “I have rights” people.
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:51am
  - Ghost
    
    Perhaps you should read about the latest one
    
    An offender was foiled by new protective glass during an attempted smash and grab at a Michael Hill jewellery store in Silverdale Mall this afternoon.
    
    A police spokesperson said one person has been taken into custody following a robbery at a store in a shopping centre on Silverdale Street at about 11.20am.
    
    Article
    
    And the law was changed with the support of national
    
    https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2023/0283/latest/whole.html
    
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    January 28, 2024 4:18pm
- Paulus
  
  This store, well known to us, has a Security Guard but he is helpless.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Security can not touch them. Assault.
    Makes me wonder why have security. Michael Hill should put out a desk with a sign “here is todays free stuff, please do not smash the glass and rob us.”
    
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    January 28, 2024 4:14pm
- mawm
  
  Scott – you have hit the nail on the head. Take away their market by giving the receivers of stolen goods a prison sentence. These thugs breaking into stores wear their punishment as a badge while those buying the stuff would not do well in a prison.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:54am
  - Bridgenag
    
    ouy Are they not smashing to order? Chains and rings etc for the bosses
    
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    January 28, 2024 12:40pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think it is going overseas in exchange for that fentanyl shit, or coke.
      (lawnmowers)
      
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      January 28, 2024 4:16pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        “I think” sort of implies you know something we don’t … ?
        
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        January 28, 2024 6:55pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Security guards need more than the right to detain people. A supermarket security guard got stabbed yesterday trying to stop a shoplifter. They need weapons. Ideally shotguns, but at least tasers or pepper spray.
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They can not even detain people, that is assault.
    Correct me if I am wrong.
    
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    January 28, 2024 4:18pm
- Dougal23
  
  If one of them got a friendly bashing or zap from a policeman then locked up for a year or three, it would send an effective message to the criminals and also make the rest of us more comfortable
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:18am
- Dougal10
  
  Security guards should have guns and rubber bullets , after all our former PM allowed use on the general public that were protesting her tyranny .
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No no no, real bullets.
    
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    January 28, 2024 4:18pm
- Burtland
  
  nothing will happen – all high value shops will shut, including pharmacies and supermarkets – just go look at US – guns wont fix it.
  
  Cindys “bekind” world will be delivered online only.
  
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  January 28, 2024 12:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Guns do fix it. The media just don’t report that.
    
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    January 28, 2024 4:19pm
  - Ghost
    
    Crime was only a part of the closures in the USA
    
    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/12/business/stores-closing-cities-downtown-retail/index.html
    
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    January 28, 2024 4:31pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Another Jewelry store attack in Silverdale Mall (near Orewa) an hour ago.
  
  There should be a very high bar on prosecution of ‘excessive force’, ‘assault’, ‘false imprisonment’ or other violence by non-police on people commiting crimes – pretty much anything goes except doing damage to someone who is already captured or incapacitated.
  
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  January 28, 2024 2:10pm
- MCōs
  
  Everything about the Michael Hill stores is cheap including the security it seems
  
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  January 28, 2024 3:43pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    blame the victim huh?
    
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    January 28, 2024 5:59pm
- DistantObserver
  
  Luxon is forming a committee to investigate the wetting of a bus ticket, and to report back within 18months as to the subsequent actions that need to be taken to wet said ticket.
  
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  January 28, 2024 3:52pm
- Thought Criminal
  
  Where are the ministers of Police and Justice?
  
  I hope they aren’t AWOL like the Labour ones.
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:34pm
  - Ghost
    
    What do you want the ministers to do? Police caught the man, he was arrested and charged. Minister of justice can’t do anything as the case is now before the courts.
    
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    January 28, 2024 11:56pm
- jenkies
  
  I thought this only happened under Labour! After all that noise leading up to the election, one might have imagined it would be as simple as flicking a switch-who’d of thought it wasn’t quite that easy. I think you will find people are becoming much more brazen and arrogant across the entire world, ever since the pandemic. I think most here probably could relate to that devastating combination of frustration and confusion. People just don’t like being told what to do. Libertarians are just like that but the average confused/conspiracy theorist/trumpist ding a ling is less detailed in their delusion. The backlash against rational thought that many right wingers around the world have embraced has caused a great deal of confusion to the entire population of the world. The utopia libertarians desire is an unreachable, non-compatible fantasy, (ever tried shoving the round plastic piece into the square hole?). Hope that sheds some light on the subject…
  
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  January 29, 2024 9:27am
Tomtoddy

The ugly tip of a massively growing iceberg – ‘Tangata whenua have authority’: Protesters vow to continue blockade at Northland fishing competition.

Police attending. Doing nothing. Two standards. Two laws. Co-governance run by one of the ‘co’s’. Get used to it.

Of course, it has happened before but now there is a new brazen, a new confidence, a new ugliness.

Who is to blame? The elite. Not the ‘brown’ elite only but mainly the gutless, smarmy, smart-alec, do-gooding white elite who think that they are progressive, cultural leaders.

It is not about the sad bias in the many social indicators – the crime numbers committed by Māori, the jail numbers, the kids killed. It is about stinking pride and power. The disdain for the ‘unwashed’. The over-weening, superciliousness.
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January 28, 2024 8:03am
- kevn
  
  Tom… Nothing in the media unless Ghost can dig something up.
  
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  January 28, 2024 8:19am
  - Jinky
    
    On RNZ website.
    
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    January 28, 2024 8:34am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    There was a bit on the TVNZ news last night.
    
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    January 28, 2024 8:46am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Saw fishermen going to alternate ramp.
      Very helpful maori woman welcomed them to launch their boat and informed the New Zealand citizens that they may not be able to in the future because “we” are not in favour of fishing competitions.
      
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      January 28, 2024 10:09am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        But she is ok with customary fishing rights?
        The special people have those rights, the not so special just can’t have a contest – a fundraiser for their community.
        Then out come the gimme gimme gimme hands!
        
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        January 28, 2024 4:25pm
  - Clyde
    
    No, nothing on the media at all. But is this surprising?
    
    All New Zealanders know from the media is that a bunch of thugs (portrayed as something at the opposite end of the spectrum) have prevented or tried to prevent a fishing competition that has been running for 40 years. The chief thug, portrayed as standing up for “consultation” is a twice convicted person prone to violence. He has been shown to have a contempt for NZ law.
    
    Since then, nothing.
    
    But if a fisherman, or the organisers of the contest want to make a statement – to provide news – they can’t unless the MSM show up and allow it. It seems to me that the MSM have arrived at a consensus that they will just ignore it. And that seems to be the Police policy as well. Let a few thugs rule the roost, claiming all sorts of bullshit, and “monitor” and “observe”. I would like to see some action from Mark Mitchell – maybe he has taken some already, but if so, where are the MSM reports of such action?
    
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    January 28, 2024 9:12am
    - Ghost
      
      https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/27/far-north-fishing-competition-goes-ahead-despite-protests/
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/507686/northland-mp-grant-mccallum-condemns-taipa-boat-ramp-protest-ahead-of-fishing-competition
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/01/protesters-vow-to-continue-blockade-at-northland-fishing-competition.html
      
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      January 28, 2024 9:26am
    - Paulus
      
      The media are complicit with all that Maori are doing to upset the Government we elected.
      
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      January 28, 2024 10:08am
  - Ghost
    
    A little bit on newshub but the fun is on their community page, where iwi have pointed out to them the problem isn’t the fishing competition, it is other iwi that own the commercial fishing that are over fishing the area.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/01/protesters-vow-to-continue-blockade-at-northland-fishing-competition.html
    
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/doubtlessbaynoticeboard/
    
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    January 28, 2024 9:19am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      This fish is ours e-hoa.
      
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      January 28, 2024 4:28pm
  - kowtow
    
    The Editors and their String Pullers might be worried they’re drawing too much attention , in the run up to MaoriWonderfulnessDay ,to this ‘active protection” , juxtaposed with all the media created “controversy” around Seymour’s Solution.
    
    So now we get , self censorship.
    
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    January 28, 2024 9:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I guess the media have been threatened by the Police top brass not to report on this because they will be inciting a riot.
    Media would love to report rioting to sell their shit.
    
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    January 28, 2024 9:55am
- Ruawai
  
  Similar to Maori road blocks during covid the police did nothing to stop. People should be allowed to protest but not stop others going about their lawful business.
  
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  January 28, 2024 8:21am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Ru,
    The police select which laws they enforce. They, like the media, are a political movement .
    Remember posy parker and also the Parliament protest.
    
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    January 28, 2024 10:18am
    - Ghost
      
      Parliament protest ran for 24 days before the police ended it
      
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      January 28, 2024 10:23am
      - mawm
        
        G – whereas the Maori roadblocks only lasted a few days because they couldn’t get themselves out of bed everyday. Thank goodness they don’t have to show up for work on a daily basis to earn some money. //
        
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        January 28, 2024 11:00am
      - kowtow
        
        Prior to the “end” they tried to clear the freedom folk early on , effectively assaulting and kidnapping many of them.
        
        How many of the now very quietly dropped charges related to that particularly disgraceful episode .
        
        And the media very silent on the details and subsequent lack of pursuit of the charges……
        
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        January 28, 2024 11:33am
      - imalwaysright
        
        So is there a 23 day time limit?
        Well spotted.
        
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        January 28, 2024 11:42am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @mawm,
        No sarc, you speak he truth.
        
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        January 28, 2024 4:51pm
    - Damocles11
      
      The police are sending a message (via dog whistle) that they are allied to the radical separatists and the far Left.
      Now we need to know we the army stands.
      
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      January 28, 2024 2:21pm
- k1w1
  
  My understanding is that Taipa is being blocked only. Not Mangonui or others. But those are the two most popular ramps in the Coopers Beach area. The Taipa land ownership has always been argued over. My bet is this was a compromise reached. Let them have their little protest and boaties can launch elsewhere. Their threat to block both ramps (and others) never eventuated. I dont like it, and the rozzers are looking weak as piss (as always), but I can understand the compromise from a political and peace-keeping pov.
  
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  January 28, 2024 8:31am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I suspect that there’ll have to be some violence before we send an end to these sorts of protests, or at least see the police end them for us. The protesters have indicated that they believe the law doesn’t apply to them, and the police have indicated their reluctance to remove them so the rest of us can go about our lawful business. I don’t see the protesters moving aside without being _made_ to step aside.
  What’s left for the rest of us when the systems we have aren’t prepared to uphold the law?
  If/when that happens I think I know whose side the police will come down on. I think I know how legacy media will portray the events as well.
  Big sigh.
  
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  January 28, 2024 8:37am
  - pdm
    
    Chris – perhaps Coster had to get rid of all of the Polices Shields, Long Batons and other Protective gear after the Wellington Fiasco.
    
    Scared to or more likely not allowed to go into confrontational situations without it.
    
    Come on Mark Mitchell – you know Coster is useless, we know Coster is useless so get rid of him and appoint a Police Commissioner with a spine.
    
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    January 28, 2024 9:06am
    - Positan
      
      What about a Prime Minister with a spine … ?
      
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      January 28, 2024 9:23am
      - Damocles11
        
        He’s a corporate robot. Good luck.
        
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        January 28, 2024 2:22pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mitchell will have been silenced by Luxon.
      
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      January 28, 2024 9:59am
      - Jack5
        
        Mitchell gave the police chief a “letter of intent” or some such saying what he expected.
        
        How about just telling him what the Government wants.
        
        Are national police policy and performance tied down to the intricacies of employment law?
        
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        January 28, 2024 10:09am
      - lifesgood
        
        And you know that? How?
        
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        January 28, 2024 11:02am
      - Jack5
        
        Re Lifesgood 11.02 post…
        
        https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/12/07/new-police-minister-sets-out-expectations-for-commissioner/
        
        Or you can download the “letter of expectations” directly here:
        
        https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/publications/government-expectations-of-commissioner-of-police/
        
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        January 28, 2024 2:33pm
- Yvette
  
  Tomtoddy
  
  • Wikatana Popata of Ngāti Kahu told 1News all of his whanaunga (relatives) from up north are supporting the initiative, which could have a flow on effect.
  
  • The man who assaulted schoolboy witnesses to a drunken Auckland robbery, committed by two of Mana Party leader Hone Harawira’s nephews, will be re-sentenced after the Court of Appeal today quashed a home detention term.
  Wikatana Popata – who once assaulted Prime Minister John Key at Waitangi – was last year found guilty of two charges of assault and sentenced to six month’s home detention for the 2011 incident.
  At a trial in the Auckland District Court, Popata was acquitted on a count of aggravated robbery.
  His friends, brothers Tohora Harawira and Enesi Taito, were given prison terms. The brothers beat up a man on Great North Rd in Avondale, robbing him of his iPod. Popata assaulted bystanders so they wouldn’t tell police about what happened.
  
  In 2009 he was convicted for assaulting Mr Key outside Te Tii Marae by pulling his jacket and sentenced to 100 hours’ community work.
  A year later Popata led Ngati Kahu protesters in an occupation of a Far North District Council-owned reserve.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-who-assaulted-schoolboy-witnesses-to-be-re-sentenced/ZQABB4WC3PYGXMBK76P57N3ZXU/
  
  • Wikatana Popata is urging Māori youth across the country to attend a two-day meeting next week to discuss future political strategies. It follows the dismal results for the Mana and Māori parties from the election.
  It follows the departure of the Māori Party from Parliament and Hone Harawira’s loss of the Te Tai Tokerau seat to Labour’s Kelvin Davis. The son of NZ First’s Shane Jones says he’s also disappointed.
  National | Mana Party https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2017/09/27/youth-meet-to-discuss-future-political-strategies/
  
  • Mr Harawira says it had been a polite hui until his nephew sparked it up.
  “It was a nice way to finish I though. We’re Tai Tokerau after all and you get a bit bored when everyone’s polite all the time, but one of the locals got up and made a big fuss about how one of Labour was trying to get people to forget about the Foreshore and Seabed Bill and the Maori Party’s trying to get people to forget about the Marine and Coastal Areas Bill but the people up home will never forget,” he says.
  
  • The man who once manhandled John Key at Waitangi is now an adviser to the Government on Crown Māori relations.
  Wikatana Popata, 29, and his older brother John were convicted in 2009 of assaulting Key, who they held responsible for the loss of Māori land and foreshore.
  But in the decade since, Popata, who lives near Kaitaia with his partner and three children, has dedicated himself to a brand of activism he says begins in the home.
  And last year he was invited to the Cabinet room in the Beehive, the very heart of the institution he railed against.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/activist-who-grabbed-john-key-is-now-an-adviser-on-race-relations/ZW42ADAOMXKXFWLL7H77J3HWKE/
  
  ■ Sun Tzu said Know the enemy and know yourself in a hundred battles you will never be in peril. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril.
  
  A couple of minutes research show a little more research is needed to understand what motivates this guy Wikatana Popata and perhaps what is needed to adjust any opposition to deal with what he really wants
  
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  January 28, 2024 8:39am
  - pdm
    
    Yvette the big question is:
    
    Why do Iwi and their Kaumatua allow thugs like Popata to take over?
    
    I always thought their was a `chain of leadership’ and elders reigned supreme within the various tribes.
    
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    January 28, 2024 10:11am
    - Yvette
      
      PDM – “Why do Iwi and their Kaumatua allow thugs like Popata to take over?”
      
      If that is the case, does it tip the argument more to screwing with Government policy rather than conserving fish stock?
      
      • And do the competitors in raffling the fish later achieve a greater return to the community than iwi catching individual fish themselves for whatever purpose? Is the competition an added value activity?
      
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      January 28, 2024 10:28am
    - Damocles11
      
      Maoridom is totally divided. Nga Puhi are so fragmented they cannot agree who should be negotiating their Treaty settlement with the Crown, so no progress is made.
      
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      January 28, 2024 2:24pm
- Damocles11
  
  Why isn’t there a ‘National Hui’ on Maori combating Maori crime and respecting the law? Surely the disgraceful Maori crime statistics and huge Maori prison population erodes the mana of not just the individuals concerned, but the Maori people as a collective entity? Where is the mana in robbing, assaulting, murdering, ram raiding? Is a crime wave and the absolute blind eye being turned by the Maori leadership compatible with ‘Te Ao Maori’? If yes then why would New Zealand want a bar of it? If no then why don’t Maori do something about it? The truth is that people like Tuku ‘Underpants’ Maori are only interested in what they can take from productive ‘New Zealand’, they don’t give a hoot about the abject moral state of their people.
  
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  January 28, 2024 8:43am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  A nice woman from another hapu was happy to let boats launch from another ramp. But, she was pretty clear that she didn’t like the competition because it was taking their fish.
  
  I don’t suppose she objects to customary gathering for the same reason.
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:04am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Disappointing lack of action from the Nats-led government. But not surprising. We’ve known all along what Luxon and most his front bench are about – recall Luxon’s pleading with journalists that “we want to be more diverse”, and Willis’s recent statement that the Nats view the treaty as a partnership.
  
  In a recent interview, Peter Hitchens described UK LINO and the UK Conservatives as “two huge corpses lying across the way”. Much the same could be said of our two main political parties, neither of whom represents the ordinary people of NZ.
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:07am
  - thirteenstars
    
    And Luxon’s agreement with Ardern’s “Christchurch Call” which is solely concerned with censoring online speech and combatting “misinformation” that conflicts with government policy.
    
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    January 28, 2024 11:05am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Luxon is a weak, naive man. My stomach turns every time I see or hear him.
      
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      January 28, 2024 2:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When the community fundraising falls short, Maori will be first with their hands out – gimme gimme gimme.
  Fishing competition is bad but customary fishing rights are good.
  Hypocrites.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:04am
  - Ghost
    
    Is that why the Ngāti Tahu have said the problem is the iwi owned fishing companies not the fishing comp.
    
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    January 28, 2024 10:08am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That idiot with his black diamond tattoo on his face said police arrested me then let me go, policeman said pressure from Wellington blah blah blah, I call bullshit, no body from Wellington rang and said arrest these assholes
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:37am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Maori Radicalism used to be focussed on injustice
  
  Modern Maori Radicalism is founded on entitlement
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:38am
- jenkies
  
  Pretty simplistic assessment.
  
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  January 29, 2024 9:32am
3-coil

TT: Jacinda’s legacy.
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January 28, 2024 8:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She really did fuck NZ over big time.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:07am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Kiwis are weak cowards.
    Don’t stand up for themselves.
    
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    January 28, 2024 10:32am
- kowtow
  
  Nah this goes back 40 odd years .
  
  The whole Establishment should be in the dock over this . And that includes te media , ngo’s , unis , churches etc
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:38am
Luke Piewalker

700,000 trucks heading to the Texas border.

The Democrats are going to learn the hard way just like how Labour got rejected here last year.
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January 28, 2024 8:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Organised by the same people who got the convoy from California to DC moving.
  The Lone Star State has had enough of Biden’s bullshit. More razor wire being installed instead of cut away.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:17am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, and the hitjobs on Trump will fail, he will simply appeal any dodgy convictions from the Trumped up charges, excuse the pun.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:39am
- Grunter
  
  At this rate they won’t need an election. Just Red States led by Trump and Blue States led by Biden.
  
  I predict this will quickly turn to chaos. It won’t take much to spark something very serious.
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I don’t think that will happen – but, the left do know how to riot.
    Antifa scum!
    
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    January 28, 2024 5:14pm
- jenkies
  
  Two confused geriatrics in another (doomed) country. We don’t know how lucky we are. As for the truckies? Pawns in Trump’s terrifying game-nothing positive to be garnered from that. Just like here, the leaders of the right are completely unrelatable to the average person and live in a fantasy world that most of us will never be a part of. The fact he can ‘rally’ his expendable minions is very impressive though. If only they realised they were being used by the strange orange man.
  
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  January 29, 2024 9:45am
Paulus

Cannot se any improvement as the Media Party appear to totally support whatever Maori do, as they did not win the Election so will continue to embarrass the ELECTED Government as much and as hard as possible.
Taxpayer funding should stop now.
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January 28, 2024 8:12am
- imalwaysright
  
  Luxon could defund the media and the maori activists immediately but he is scared and weak. Same with the rest of the government.
  125,000 kiwis left last year.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:36am
- kowtow
  
  I agree over the meida party role but in fairness there’s a much bigger picture and again the media don’t report it.
  
  The idiot blocking the ramps doesn’t have the support of all Maoris up there or indeed who knows about other maoris in the rest of the country .
  
  One thing they claim tom be pissed off over ( and it’s bull anyway ,they’re professional shit stirrers of the harawera clan) is over fishing there …….
  
  ……..and according to social media one of the companies involved in the commercial fishing there is south island owned Ngai Tahu ( according to social media) .
  
  Where’s the msm when you need them?
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:43am
Souvlaki

Indeed!
I was astounded to see the Police hanging about like parking attendants on the news! No overt attempt to allow the lawful access to proceed. Where was Mark Mitchell and the ‘ newly instructed’Police Commissioner??
Then we have this offering from Chris Trotter…..
https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2024/01/by-time-we-got-to-turangawaewae.html?m=1😳
Seymour is NOT trying to re- write the bloody treaty FFS…just to ensure we ALL have the 😳same rights under the law!
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January 28, 2024 8:13am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Chuckle…
  
  In the National Party, blinking may already be the preferred option. It is, after all, the party that kicked-off the Treaty settlement process more than 30 years ago. It was National’s John Key who brought the Māori Party into his coalition government (alongside Act!) in 2008. And it was Key who sent Pita Sharples to New York to sign the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. National’s record, vis-à-vis Māori Sovereignty and te Tiriti o Waitangi, is more than competitive with Labour’s.
  
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  January 28, 2024 8:17am
  - Yvette
    
    Tom Hunter – And it was Key who sent Pita Sharples to New York
    
    Why did John Key send Pita Sharples to New York to the UN secretly as he did?
    Why has Pita Sharples’ announcement back then that the Treaty would define the boundaries of New Zealand’s engagement with UNDRIP been ignored and media since have not mentioned that caveat?
    
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    January 28, 2024 10:41am
    - pdm
      
      Pita Sharples was several notches in class above the thugs and activists we see in Maori Leadership positions these days.
      
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      January 28, 2024 1:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I thought was a flight to New York done under secrecy, for Sharples to sign.
      Whether Key knew or not I don’t know. It was a dodgy deal.
      Page 19 here:
      
      https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
      
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      January 28, 2024 5:21pm
  - Che Guava
    
    And yet probably 80% or more of people on this blog voted for National with the expectation that National would “save” them from “the Left,” obviously without understanding that National are increasingly indistinguishable from “the Left” when it comes to the Maori question, as well as the broader set of socially liberal principles in general.
    
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    January 28, 2024 10:45am
    - lifesgood
      
      However bad you think National is they could never ever be anywhere near as bad as Jacinda’s appalling government. They are the lesser of two evils, methinks.
      
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      January 28, 2024 11:07am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Oh I agree.
        
        The problem is that they’re setting the scene for the next Labour government, which will certainly be worse than the last one, in policies, if not competence.
        
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        January 28, 2024 1:16pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Lesser of two evils but will get nothing of importance done, just like the wasted years of the Key government.
        
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        January 28, 2024 3:14pm
    - Paulus
      
      Simple – the Media Party did not win the election and it shows continually and viciously.
      
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      January 28, 2024 1:32pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      I expect a majority on here (As political tragics) voted Act.
      
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      January 28, 2024 2:14pm
    - Damocles11
      
      They got the pip with Seymour over all sorts of trivialities and more than a few threw their votes away backing fringe parties.
      
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      January 28, 2024 3:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “We all have the same rights under the Law!”
  Yet the Maori patronising Police do nothing to ensure those rights – quite the opposite really.
  I say Police had orders from the top to not stop Maori stopping the boaties.
  
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  January 28, 2024 8:22am
  - bennerg
    
    I think Seymour’s next job after sorting out “the Principle” is a new law clarifying the rights of protesters, and the rights to get rid of them while undertaking a lawful business.
    
    I cannot see a problem with someone protesting by standing near with a sign, and maybe even engaging in disslogue, but standing in the way and preventing anothers legal and lawful movement is assault. And even under current law, that should be dealt to. But we obviously do not have a police force willing to do anything, unless of course you use the wrong pronoun.
    
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    January 28, 2024 8:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The activists have the right to peacefully protest.
      They di not have the right to physically stop others from exercising their rights.
      This is where the Police are not doing their job.
      
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      January 28, 2024 10:23am
      - Ghost
        
        50 shops were compensated because of the parliament protest. Shops closed, people unable to get to work, people abused. Most supported that. A peaceful Maori protest for two days and people are outraged.
        
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        January 28, 2024 10:25am
      - wsk12345
        
        @ghost. Nobody was prevented from going to parliament, walking through the grounds etc. totally different situation.
        
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        January 28, 2024 11:02am
      - rouppe
        
        @Ghost. It is not peaceful if you stop people going about their lawful business.
        
        Knowing you will bring up the parliament protest again, those shops did not have to close. They were told to close.
        
        Yes the blocked streets should have been cleared. Yes abusing people walking in the area is not acceptable. And neither is blocking a public boat ramp, nor Extinction Rebellion blocking the entrance to the MBIE building, nor RPR gluing their hands to the road blocking it
        
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        January 28, 2024 12:29pm
      - Ghost
        
        Far more peaceful than a protest that many here supported. But when Māori have a peaceful protest then people here get outraged. Far less disruptive than the groundswell protests, but again, that wasn’t a Māori protest so people supported that disruption.
        
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        January 28, 2024 12:41pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Oh Ghost, you’d love all the Maoris “peacefully protesting” our prices at my supermarket by stealing. Security watches and stops EVERYONE they see on the cameras stealing. It’s only your poor innocent Maoris that accuse us of racism. Every. Single. Time. So precious. So persecuted. My heart bleeds not.
        
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        January 28, 2024 2:28pm
      - Ghost
        
        Really? How old are you? Even a child wouldn’t try to compare a protest to theft.
        
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        January 28, 2024 2:37pm
    - wsk12345
      
      It’s a shame some of the fishermen didnt just push through and start a riot. Just to see what the police would do. (Most likely arrest the fishermen).
      
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      January 28, 2024 11:01am
  - igm
    
    Coster, as usual the problem, followed by Luxon and his acolytes.
    
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    January 28, 2024 8:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Coster is a wimp.
      
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      January 28, 2024 10:24am
  - Yvette
    
    Yet –
    “We had say five boats try and come in. The police are at the front there trying to turn people around. But some are just real blatant shit-stirrers coming down here to pick a fight with us,” protest organiser Wikatana Popata said.
    The Doubtless Bay Fishing Classic wouldn’t see it like that. They’ve been running a competition here for more than 40 years and regularly draw about 500 contestants.
    Popata believes the organisers should have consulted iwi before staging the event and is concerned about overfishing.
    “They’re ignorant enough to not come and talk to us, they should know tangata whenua have authority over our land and seas. Come and work with us,” he said.
    He also said the protest is a response to the Government’s proposed Bill to redefine the principles of te Tiriti o Waitangi.
    
    • Are the waters a resource allotted to Ngāti Tahu in a Treaty settlement?
    • Are the police instructed to just stop violence, or to turn contestants around?
    • Does the “rahui” apply to Maori fishing also, or just pakeha fishing contestants?
    • Is 40 years within bounds of pakeha customary rights, or how long need that be?
    • Are pakeha customary rights even a thing?
    • Have protesters combined fish numbers concerns. ‘pakeha’ competitions, and the contesting supposed Government policy – so no one can evaluate the fucking aim of any of this?
    
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    January 28, 2024 9:40am
    - Ghost
      
      Ngāti Tahu support the fishing competition. They blessed it before it started, and they participate in it.
      
      Tracey Allen has told the protestors the problem is not the fishing comp. It is the iwi owned commercial fishing companies over fishing the area
      
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      January 28, 2024 10:02am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Couldn’t give a fuck what ngati tahu, whoever or whatever that is, supports.
        Couldn’t give a shit what they or it ‘blessed’.
        This is New Zealand.
        If someone wants to go fishing then they can go. They can shove their permission and their blessings up their collective arse.
        
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        January 28, 2024 10:48am
      - Ghost
        
        And yet. They can and did go fishing. One ramp closed, that’s all.
        
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        January 28, 2024 10:53am
      - ISeeRed
        
        @imalwaysright That New Zealand no longer exists. It’s now Aotearoa – Apartheid Done Right!
        
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        January 28, 2024 2:31pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Popata is full of himself.
      Customary fishing is ok, but fundraising fishing is not ok.
      Oh, “can we have some Govt money for our Communities please?”
      
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      January 28, 2024 10:26am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Tangata whenua. Not tangata moana. Just saying.
      
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      January 28, 2024 3:11pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Has that conveniently tidy figure of 10,000 been verified? Or is it simply a case of enough people repeating it that it becomes accepted fact?
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Was told from one there that in his opinion about around 5,500 were there not the media decided 10,000 which was agreed before the meeting.
    
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    January 28, 2024 10:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, we know the media lie!!
      
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      January 28, 2024 10:28am
- Ghost
  
  Out of interest how did you feel about the mandate protest that blocked streets, stopped people getting to their work place and being told to work from home, stopped businesses being opened?
  
  My cousin was harassed by some of those protestors and spat on and verbally abused when she was trying to get to work.
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:21am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    An unecessary & obvious attempt at a strawman conflation distraction from the current topic
    
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    January 28, 2024 9:31am
    - Ghost
      
      No, actually it shows that some people will support the disruption of one protest, but if it is a Māori you won’t support it. To be expected on this blog
      
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      January 28, 2024 9:33am
      - Che Guava
        
        It’s not the disruption people support or not, which is an effect, it’s the underlying issue being protested that is key, which is the cause. If the cause is sufficiently significant, then the effects will be more acceptable to reasonable people, who may even sympathise to some extent despite the disruption.
        
        It’s not an exaggeration that the Parliament protest was essentially about the beginnings of a constitutional crisis (going to the very legitimacy and mandate (excuse the pun) of the ruling class, where the government, without any legitimate justification, usurped any remaining vestige of popular sovereignty and imposed draconian measures on a public regardless of the public’s opinion, with universal application to all New Zealanders, and thereby exposed the true reality of our political system, rather than the theory).
        
        In contrast, this present matter is a niche issue concerning only Maori seeking some form of payout and/or advantage, and/or seeking to consolidate their “special” status under the law, perhaps even to engender a chilling effect on future public activities involving the potential “infringement” of so-called “Maori rights.”
        
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        January 28, 2024 10:56am
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        That’s the level of comment this site gets from your alter ego mikema.
        
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        January 28, 2024 11:17am
      - Ghost
        
        Wow, how old are you 5 years old?
        
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        January 28, 2024 12:06pm
      - miltonF
        
        The purpose of parliament protest was not to prevent others exercising their rights (blocking roads). Yes this may have happened in some limited capacity, but was a side effect of the protest. Not the goal. You could perhaps argue differently for the Canadian truckers blockades.
        
        Mens rea is very important when considering whether a crime has been committed. One protest was an attempt to protect human rights. One protest is an attempt to scuttle human rights.
        
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        January 28, 2024 5:34pm
      - Ghost
        
        Not really, the maori protest was organized to only shut one ramp allowing people to continue fishing using the others. It’s a peaceful protest that has finished peacefully.
        
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        January 28, 2024 5:42pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Ghost, the people that did tho8things should have been held to account.
    Please note the purpose of the protest was not to hold up traffic or prevent people attending their work or go about their business.
    In this case the purpose of the event is to prevent people from enjoying a fishing competition.
    
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    January 28, 2024 9:38am
    - Ghost
      
      And yet the parliament protestors blocked roads. And it did prevent businesses from opening and people going to work
      
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      January 28, 2024 9:46am
      - Ghost
        
        Perhaps a reminder.
        
        Protest forces businesses around Parliament to close
        
        Fifty businesses get payouts after ‘devastating’ Parliament protest
        
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        January 28, 2024 9:53am
      - Che Guava
        
        If you’re so concerned about people losing their livelihoods, then that was what the Parliament protests were about in the first place, and you should therefore support them.
        
        You may have forgotten, but the government shut down nearly every business for weeks and months due to the brutal policies those protestors were fighting against.
        
        In this context, 50 shops and your cousin being temporarily inconvenienced pale into complete insignificance compared to what the Parliament protest was about, which was policies that affected the entire population on the most fundamental level imaginable, bodily integrity and sovereignty.
        
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        January 28, 2024 10:38am
      - Ghost
        
        Actually what I’m saying that has gone right over your head is that some on this blog have no problem supporting protests until they are Māori led then they get outraged at the inconvenience of the protest. A peaceful protest for two days that has not stopped the fishing competition, that is not supported by the iwi.
        
        You either support people’s right to protest or you don’t, you can’t support the right to protest only when you support the protest and be outraged at it when you don’t support it. Bit like free speech some here support free speech, some only support it when it is what they believe in.
        
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        January 28, 2024 10:49am
      - kevn
        
        Ghost… If one of the political giants had engaged early on, there would have been a short term gathering.
        Plenty of maori folks were there, over 50% I heard.
        Blame mallard as well. His insane ‘input’ really ramped it all up.
        Not being there, but seeing it all post mallard stupidity really pis*ed me off as well.
        
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        January 28, 2024 10:46am
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, but they didn’t, and the protest caused a lot of disruption. But most of us support it. As we did the Canadian truckers in their protest. Unfortunately too many only believe in the right to protest and free speech when it is what they believe in and support. When they don’t support it they are against it.
        
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        January 28, 2024 10:55am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Not my recollection, Ghost, and I attended the parliamentary protest. The people I saw & spoke to were perfectly civil. I regularly walked through parliament grounds, apart from the bit shut off by police. Yes, lower Molesworth St was blocked. So what? The bus route was diverted, everything was ok. A number of businesses closed, on police advice. They could have stayed open.
        
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        January 28, 2024 3:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Enjoy a fishing competition AND fundraising for the Community.
      
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      January 28, 2024 10:30am
  - imalwaysright
    
    How did the police deal with your cousins complaint?
    That was the most photographed and videotaped event in New Zealand’s history.
    Evidence would have been a mouse click away.
    Who was prevented from going to work? By whom?
    I think you are not telling the truth.
    
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    January 28, 2024 10:59am
- kowtow
  
  Policing by Dissent .
  
  The dissenters get to dictate how the police operate . As long and only is you’re the right kind of dissenter.
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:25am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Even the leftie filling in for Hosking said no where are they talking about dumping the treaty, and he said Hipkins knows this and should hang his head in shame for playing this pathetic game
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:42am
  - greybeard
    
    Tim Dower isn’t a “leftie” !
    
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    January 28, 2024 11:15am
    - pdm
      
      Dower is slightly on the left of neutral gb but,
      nowhere near approaching Roxburgh, Travers etc, etc.
      
      Tim Beveridge is a mumbler but he at least is neutral.
      
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      January 28, 2024 1:04pm
    - Paulus
      
      Correct Dower is just thick !
      
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      January 28, 2024 1:37pm
  - Paulus
    
    Thank goodness Hosk back on Monday.
    
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    January 28, 2024 1:36pm
- thirteenstars
  
  “Seymour is NOT trying to re- write the bloody treaty…”
  
  But that’s the line the media are pressing hard and they are very careful to always refer to it as Seymour’s initiative in an attempt to divide and conquer, and National seem quite happy to go along with that which was no doubt always the plan.
  
  The only real option is to have a citizens’ initiated referendum which has been mooted and should come to pass.
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Media Party lost the Electi0n remember – and they are principally older women who are statistically Labour voters.
    
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    January 28, 2024 1:38pm
- jenkies
  
  Here is the issue. David Seymour has a very detailed approach to his pet treaty principles bill. This includes his sympathies to things like Hobson’s pledge. I have met many racist old dudes, (and the odd lady), who have no idea about Hobson’s pledge and their ideology. They do however have a long running disdain for Maori and their values. This is why he will fail. First of all, National, Act and NZ First all sucked up to these confused and angry people to get the votes, National realised it went too far but needed support from the other two to get in. Huge compromise that is now very hard to distance themselves from. He appointed Seymour to his funny title recently just so he could be more solely accountable to his mad quest. Seymour could in fact be aware of this but his power hungry nature has gotten the best of him, of course. Seymour’s ideas sound wonderful and seem reasonable, if only we lived in the libertarian utopia in his dreams. As we actually live in a reality where Maori have never been on an equal footing with the rest of the population, it is only going to exist as the dream in his confused little head. It will be embarrassing for him which will no doubt just make him more petulant.
  
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  January 29, 2024 10:09am
Jinky

Competition went ahead. 2000+ people took part and 400 fish weighed in and auctioned off. Profits given to the local community. Winner landed an 11.8kg snapper fishing off the rocks!
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January 28, 2024 8:32am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Good to hear, wondering why MSM never mentioned that…
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:33am
  - Ghost
    
    They did https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/27/far-north-fishing-competition-goes-ahead-despite-protests/
    
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    January 28, 2024 9:58am
    - kevn
      
      Ghost… Horrid? Nothing. TV news is no longer the go-to for anything much.
      
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      January 28, 2024 10:48am
Cassandra

The two appalling aspects of this are police inaction and media ignoring it. After all the tough talk by National the first is simply awful, confirming my worst fears that Labour Lite is leading the Coalition. Get a grip, National! The second is nothing new – NZ media is just non-existent, it’s become the propaganda wing of the lefty woke.
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January 28, 2024 8:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What would you prefer them to do? Get the minister to go do the arrests himself? The police arrested the main spouted, then released him, then he said Wellington have said get tough, the government will have been watching, remember Coster has been put in notice
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:47am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Pathetic. Can’t you ever admit the Nats do anything wrong or fail to act sometimes? It’s unwavering support like this that ensures National never changes, reforms or improves itself. Just a stuck-in-the-mud status-quo placeholder until Labour comes back in.
    
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    January 28, 2024 2:37pm
Pavel

Oh dear. Watching celebrity brain busters with the kids this morning and Michael Baker is on there . I thought he considered himself some kind of scientist.; I sure have never considered him a celebrity. What strange times we live in.
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January 28, 2024 8:40am
- John Loveridge
  
  Baker and Ashley Bloomfield are cut from the same cloth.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Both liars too.
    
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    January 28, 2024 10:33am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Both should be in jail.
      Bryan Betty too. Google his past relationship with Pfizer.
      
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      January 28, 2024 11:12am
      - SoloView
        
        @ imalwaysright
        
        Help me with a link or search query – I’ve searched but couldn’t find a relationship with Pfizer
        
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        January 28, 2024 2:03pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Solo,
        Looks like its been scrubbed. Basically he used to be their sale rep for NZ .
        
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        January 28, 2024 4:13pm
- pdm
  
  Pavel – Baker was always on the look out for a TV Camera.
  
  No matter whose camera
  No matter where that camera is/was.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:19am
  - NothingLeft
    
    I knew a guy who worked in media who referred to cameras as “arsehole magnets”
    
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    January 28, 2024 10:34am
    - kowtow
      
      Yeah well , he’d know wouldn’t ‘e .
      
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      January 28, 2024 5:04pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Why you shouldn’t kowtow to extremists.

Icon of the Seas, the world’s largest cruise ship, is due to set sail on its maiden voyage. It’s powered by clean LNG rather than polluting marine fuel oil – kudos to the owners, no?

Apparently not. Environmentalists are now worried about methane leaks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68118822
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January 28, 2024 8:47am
Damocles11

Maori have a metaphorical gun to this country’s head: do as we say, or we’ll rip the nation apart. Having one of the two main political parties in thrall to maori support for decades has been a disaster, and is leading to an increasingly unhinged Labour party view on where this country is to be steered to. White liberals think that if they just learn Te Reo and embrace ‘maori culture’ then power crazed maori separatists will just ‘play nice’ and pack it in. They won’t. More than half of the ‘pakeha’ population have their head buried in the sand, pretending none of this is going on – they are the frogs sitting in the pot while the water heats up.
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January 28, 2024 8:50am
- Flossie
  
  If this boat ramp block isn’t stopped it’ll be the thin end of the wedge and we’ll have total anarchy. Similar groups will decide that “colonialist pakeha law” has no jurisdiction for them either.
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:34am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Having BOTH of the two main political parties in thrall to maori support for decades has been a disaster
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:34am
- rockape
  
  The miners in the uk had the same
  Stopping those workers who wanted to keep the pumps running getting to work. My platoon was t@sked with helping the police get the miners to work. It’s amazing what 34 soldiers ,armed with pick ax handles can do. Not one blow landed but the strikers parted like the Red Sea.
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:43am
- Paulus
  
  Maori are totally supported by the so called mainstream Media as they lost the election.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:19am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I hope they go nuts on the 6th, thrn they can face irrelevance
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:49am
- julesnzuk
  
  Damocles – not “Maori”, it’s some Maori. Extremists who play to their useful idiot gallery of ignorant “bros”. It’s certainly not all Maori and I think we should be careful about generalising, or using language that implies that these people represent or speak for Maori New Zealanders. They don’t.
  
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  January 29, 2024 2:38am
- jenkies
  
  They have it so good aye. That’s why all the rich retired Maori live in Tauranga. That’s why they are not the most represented in our prisons and on the unemployment benefit. You have nothing to fear but fear itself.
  
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  January 29, 2024 10:22am
Southern Raider

The other night OneNews had a 12 year old looking “foreign affairs expert” providing his view that NZ should stay out of the Red Sea, it’s all because of Israel and it’s dangerous to be aligning with our traditional allies

Just seen a post on Twitter by Brtterden (or whatever the bearded mate of Bomber is called). Interviewing him.

So another biased setup by OneNews to screw the narrative
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January 28, 2024 8:53am
- Che Guava
  
  “…it’s all because of Israel and it’s dangerous to be aligning with our traditional allies.”
  
  First, the disruption to shipping in the Red Sea of recent months is all because of Israel. We know this because the Houthis have told us their motivations. We don’t need to speculate, because they have been very explicit.
  
  They aren’t attacking ships bound for Israel for no reason, it for the particular purpose of exerting economic pressure in order to attempt to change a policy (something that the US-led nations do as a matter of course on countries that don’t do as they say).
  
  You can support Israel’s invasion of Gaza, but you’ll also have to accept the flow-on effects.
  
  Second, is Israel classifiable as our “traditional ally”? Even if they are, does being a “traditional ally” trump all rational geo-political calculations as to New Zealand’s best interests?
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:10am
  - mandk
    
    ” … the disruption to shipping in the Red Sea of recent months is all because of Israel.”
    
    Wrong. It’s because Iran is fighting proxy wars against Israel and Saudi Arabia.
    
    It’s also wrong to claim that the attacks are on ships bound for Israel. The attacks are against Western shipping in general.
    
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    January 28, 2024 12:55pm
    - kowtow
      
      yep , in all the media noise around “Gaza” the media ,and others are happy to ignore that the terrorist outrage was timed to derail an Israel/Saudi normalisation deal.
      
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      January 28, 2024 1:43pm
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    Yes, we can trust the word of armed pirates. They always tell the truth.
    
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    January 29, 2024 12:09am
- kiwi_chileno
  
  Apparently, it’s a serious Treaty breach for NZ to get involved and uphold international law https://waateanews.com/2024/01/25/pkred-sea-foray-breach-of-waitangi-tribunal/
  
  Dr Arama Rata is a Waikato University ‘academic’ https://www.waikato.ac.nz/news-opinion/media/2020/working-to-end-racial-oppression-supported-by-10m-mbie-grant
  
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  January 28, 2024 4:47pm
Bridgenag

Maybe we all need to write to the new government and remind them that we need justice for all. Think we need to bring in hardened police from maybe the UK that do not know the gangs and have no family connections. Start a special squad for the purpose of taking away their power. “we know where you live” is a huge deterrent.
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January 28, 2024 9:06am
- Lummox
  
  I did not launch my boat from Mangonui ramp on Friday morning, despite perfect fishing conditions, because ot the threat of a blockade.
  My tow vehicle is very distinctive. If it didn’t get damaged while out fishing it would likely get damaged at some other time, somewhere around here.
  The “we know where you live ” threat is very real.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:08am
Bridgenag

Border Crisis Heats Up as Biden Admin Loses Grip
SIMPLICIUS THE THINKER

“There are a lot of goings on, as the world continues to slide toward the brink.

Texas governor Abbott has pulled the trigger on directly challenging the Federal government on the border issue:…..He was joined by a slew of states, whose governors pledged their support:

”

https://open.substack.com/pub/simplicius76/p/border-crisis-heats-up-as-biden-admin?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Incidentally SIMPLICIUS THE THINKER writes extensively about the Ukraine war if you are interested Too depressing for me so I just file
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January 28, 2024 9:12am
Clown

Congrats to back to back Australian Open champ Aryna Sabalenka! Well deserved and a great win against the West who thought clown like Coco Gauff would win the title!
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January 28, 2024 9:16am
- Lance
  
  “win against the West”
  
  W….T……F…….. ?
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:14am
- Flossie
  
  Yes indeed clown…congratulations to Aryna.
  However the rest of your comment is quite bewildering.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:59am
- Nukuleka
  
  Fine to congratulate the deserving AO champion Sabalenka but why use such a positive comment to take a childish swipe at a very fine and improving young player like Coco Gauff, the winner at Auckland. Unnecessary, nasty and untrue.
  
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  January 28, 2024 12:18pm
Bridgenag

“The Terrifying Bioweapons Arms Race”
Why the Wuhan Coverup matters.
ROBERT W MALONE MD, MS

He quotes from Robert Kennedy’s new book……….
“Will the fear-mongering elites unleash another pandemic nightmare upon their subjects? If we do not rise to oppose them, it’s a certainty. Simply stated, there is too much profit in the pandemic in the pandemic game for the entities who reap those profits to not fully engage.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/the-terrifying-bioweapons-arms-race?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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January 28, 2024 9:17am
Hugh Jarse

Sadly for the public, it appears that Mitchell is in fact all piss and wind.
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January 28, 2024 9:26am
- jenkies
  
  For all those that didn’t see that coming…How!?
  
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  January 29, 2024 10:40am
oldpark

Klaus Schwab. Addressing the WEF at Davos a few days ago. I think the Mark of the Beast is a very good idea. Everyone tattooed with an invisible ID and Transaction Mark.

It is called the Quantum Dot Barcode that will become mandatory for everyone to participate in society. It will impact both Great and Small. It will be Masked by a vast amount of

Seemingly good things. Tech companies laid off 350 thousand skilled workers in 2023 as they now focus on AI. A joke or is it another way to cement what could happen if mentioned mad dog control freaks get their way .Go figure this latest from Davos .
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January 28, 2024 9:51am
Vinicius

Multiple countries halt aid to a UN agency (UNRWA) after allegations that some of its staff participated in the October 7th attack on Israel by Hamas.

Reuters are reporting that Britain, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Finland on Saturday joined the United States, Australia and Canada in pausing funding to the aid agency.

I hope NZ hasn’t been providing funding?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68104203

https://www.reuters.com/world/britain-italy-finland-pause-funding-un-refugee-agency-gaza-2024-01-27/
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January 28, 2024 10:17am
- kowtow
  
  “We” fund the “moderate” Palestinian Authority who pay money to ‘martyrs” families .
  
  The whole thing is perverse .
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:50am
Paulus

How many of the recalcitrant staff were quietly and surreptitiously made redundant (and paid out ?).
Now we hear about it !
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January 28, 2024 10:22am
- MCōs
  
  UNRWA organization said it had opened an investigation into allegations from Israel that some of its staff members participated in Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack. State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said 12 UNRWA employees had been accused of participating.
  That’s out of a total of 13,000 staff
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:29pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    So what?
    
    ALL UN staff must abide by the requirement for impartiality as international public servants or face severe consequences. The Deputy Executive Director has already been found to be overtly biased with a poster of “Palestine” on her wall at home -clearly visible to all over zoom. You can see it on the UN Watch website.
    
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    January 28, 2024 11:44pm
sht1971

So David Seymour gives his state of the nation address. So far, nothing in The Ferald and as for Stuff: The supplied livestream of Seymour’s speech was too unstable to run.

How convenient!
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January 28, 2024 10:45am
- kevn
  
  sht… Ghosts specialty, finding the news that goes unreported in the main msm.
  Thanks for doing that.
  
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  January 28, 2024 10:59am
- JJ56
  
  The text was available to report on and Newhub ran the live stream, at least until Seymour appeared to start to go off script to have a flick at the Maori Party.
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:03am
- oldpark
  
  @sht1971 10 54 am .
  
  Also the same so called news outlet NZ Herald and their Radio Station Newstalk ZB have not reported the Aid Agency NZRWA fundig being stopped and staff fired for taking part in the October 07 2024 massacre of 1200 Israelis .Even the so called Stuff have reported the story.
  The sicko NZ Herald has broadcast the results of the claims by another type of Hamas supporter South Africa at the world court. Maybe even parroting for their own benefit the conclusion .What a bloody indictment of a group of hypocrital clowns .
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:29am
- Grunter
  
  Here’s the link to the full transcript.
  
  It’s very good, particularly the explanation on the Treaty.
  
  https://www.act.org.nz/state_of_the_nation_2024
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:41am
- kevn
  
  sht…A few words as a token.
  Hold your nose but, ‘the video stream was too unstable to run’.
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:56am
  - JJ56
    
    it gets pretty dodgy in parts, but they had the text and could report on it
    
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    January 28, 2024 12:25pm
  - kevn
    
    Horrid have just put up a minimal coverage.
    
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    January 28, 2024 1:01pm
- MCōs
  
  Numerous outlets have reported on Seymour’s so called state of the nation speech
  Newshub, RNZ, Stuff, NZHerald, OneNews
  I haven’t read any of them. I’d rather watch cricket
  Is he complaining pakeha are having a rough time?
  
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  January 28, 2024 6:01pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    No, and what’s a “pakeha”?
    
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    January 29, 2024 2:39am
- jenkies
  
  Well, he is a NATIONAL embarrassment! Ha!
  
  Did you like it when Luxbot gave him his new position? So Seymour couldn’t drag National down with them! Very clever of[Mod – please use correct names] but a bit of a backhanded slap to Seymour.
  
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  January 29, 2024 10:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Dam good speech from Davis Seymour. I wonder if the woke Luxon has seen it?
Time for Luxon to stop passing the buck all the time. You are the Leader man, act like one!

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/watch-this-video-of-seymour-explaining-his-treaty-bill/
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January 28, 2024 10:50am
- Grunter
  
  The Nats will quickly look like “TPM-lite” if they keep saying they won’t support ACT on fixing the Treaty BS.
  
  “It’s too divisive to stop dividing people on race……” – yip, that makes sense??????
  
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  January 28, 2024 12:07pm
  - MCōs
    
    National’s problem is Act is part of the government
    
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    January 28, 2024 5:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Leader is riding for a fall, unless he un-wokes himself.
    
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    January 28, 2024 5:28pm
  - Ghost
    
    For some reason you think act policy is national policy. National have their own policy, it’s up to act to sell their policy to get further support. National are doing what they campaigned on.
    
    But at the time you need to listen to what is being said, you just rabbit the same bullshit ignoring Seymour who has said National haven’t ruled it out. Winston who has said its up to act to sell it and the public to make submissions. And National mp’s who have said they will decide once the submissions have taken place.
    
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    January 28, 2024 5:38pm
    - Grunter
      
      No, I don’t think that at all.
      
      National campaigned on no referendum because that’s too divisive. (Their words not mine). And they are sticking to that silly position.
      
      That is my point above – how can saying no to dividing by race (ACT’s policy) be divisive?
      
      Sorry for rabbitting on about people that don’t want to fix this country’s race problem. National leaders, MP’s and supporters are part of the problem. They just want to wake up and hope it all just goes away some how. Confront the problem. Get rid of all this racist BS.
      
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      January 28, 2024 5:53pm
  - jenkies
    
    It’s just divisive to stoke the fires of resentment toward Maori under the guise of meddling with the Treaty principles. Seymour is deep in the Hobson’s pledge cult, of which the average confused, white person with a penchant for racism knows nothing of. He is very much in a minority and National do not want any of his slime sticking to them. If we lived in the fantasy utopia that David mistakenly thinks we do, his ideas might work. He chooses to see our history through a distorted lens and basically ignores it. It must be quite the task convincing people the sky is green…
    
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    January 29, 2024 10:50am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/01/read-and-watch-act-leader-david-seymour-delivers-state-of-the-nation-speech.html
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/01/act-leader-david-seymour-hits-out-at-opposition-to-treaty-principles-bill-in-state-of-nation-speech.html
  
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  January 28, 2024 12:25pm
Jack5

A Sunday link for defence buffs …

What happens when you have an outstanding economy: the punchy Singapore Navy.

https://youtu.be/sxFMPPHHcZo?si=LJYrH0nLPQbcXQs5
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January 28, 2024 10:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  WOW! Singapore has nearly caught up wit the NZ Defense Force.
  Good job New Zealand.//
  
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  January 28, 2024 5:50pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    Defence. We’re not Americans and don’t use their dumbed-down spellings.
    
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    January 29, 2024 2:40am
greybeard

What a dismal offering by NewstalkZB on Sundays:
3 hours of bloody Pete Wolfkamp followed by 3 hours of bloody Roman Travers.
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January 28, 2024 11:09am
- Che Guava
  
  Just do what I do and don’t listen. Works well.
  
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  January 28, 2024 11:14am
  - greybeard
    
    I don’t listen ! That is the whole point, there is nothing worth my time or effort as far as I am concerned.
    Others will disagree, fair enough. Each to their own.
    
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    January 28, 2024 5:23pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Try Sky News Australia on the Nova app. Good longform interviews by a range of hosts (Bolt and Kenny are great) and commentary plus a constant up to date news cycle.
      
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      January 29, 2024 6:56am
- Inandout
  
  grey, try the music stations or go online with your TV.
  
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  January 28, 2024 12:51pm
  - kevn
    
    88FM… No announcer, virtually no ads. Depends on your music taste whether you will like it.
    
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    January 28, 2024 1:13pm
- gravedodger
  
  I have long considered “Pete The Wolf” to be the most boring host on Newstalk ZB , however as you correctly point out the field has opened significantly recently.
  At least Travers has moved on from his bloody Landrover!
  
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  January 28, 2024 2:28pm
- sht1971
  
  Try Mikey in the middle of the night. If it wasn’t for my meds it would send me over the edge!
  
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  January 28, 2024 2:50pm
- MCōs
  
  Those blokes, whoever they are, are not there to pander to your particular tastes
  
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  January 28, 2024 4:42pm
Inandout

You gotta laugh sometimes.
‘Silverdale Mall smash and grab robbery – another Michael Hill jewellery store hit’.
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January 28, 2024 1:06pm
Chuck Bird

NZ contributes 0.17% of global emissions, not the 2-4% Luxon claims. I wonder if he has changed his view since 2016. This is something he should be asked

This story was first published in the February 20, 2016 edition of the New Zealand Listener.

“Faith has been a big part of my life for a long time. Being a Christian just gives me a lot of centrality and a lot of purpose.” Throughout my interview with him, he talks about the importance of morality in business, but that presents problems given aviation’s contribution to climate change.

“There is no hiding from the fact that we are a big consumer of hydro-carbons and we do contribute 2-4% of global greenhouse gas emissions,” Luxon says.

“The world is going to have to set a price on carbon whether it likes it or not.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-listener/new-zealand/christopher-luxon-i-am-a-big-believer-that-you-have-to-get-connected-to-a-mission-and-a-purpose-bigger-than-yourself/HAJJ5GEDXNAJZNDZJTNNGSXOAY/
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January 28, 2024 1:17pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I am not wondering if I misinterrupted what Luxon said. Could he have meant Air NZ aircraft emit 2 to 4% of NZ’s total emissions?
  
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  January 28, 2024 2:48pm
  - cmm
    
    Well he does say global in there.
    
    NZ does not contribute 2% and AirNZ certainly doesn’t either.
    
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    January 28, 2024 9:51pm
Steve Todd

I watched The Donald’s highly entertaining campaign rally in Las Vegas a couple of hours ago. Great viewing.

While it all comes to an end for Nikki Haley on 24 February, it’s okay. She’s still young; indeed, Inauguration Day 2029 is her 57th birthday.

Mind you, this far out, in my view, it’s hard to see how anyone will get past Vivek Ramaswamy in the 2028 primaries. Tulsi Gabbard (who will be 47 in January 2029), perhaps?
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January 28, 2024 1:25pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Yep, four years as VP to Trump is the perfect launchpad for VR. He’s eloquent, passionate and can both crack a good joke and take a hard punch.
  
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  January 28, 2024 1:43pm
- cmm
  
  A lot of the Obama hype was that he was a mixed race individual who had experience and appeal on both sides of the race fence. Unfortunately he blew it.
  
  Vivek has a lot of that same appeal. It will be interesting to see how he goes in the future.
  
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  January 28, 2024 3:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nope. Nikki Haley will not make it to VP.
  She is a bloody RINO, that is why the Dems are bankrolling her. The Dems are losing real bad and the Dems want RINO in there as POTUS, or VPOTUS.
  Nikki is all about Nikki. Even at UN she just said the right words. She is a Dem.
  
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  January 28, 2024 5:58pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Nope. Nikki Haley will not make it to VP.
    
    Oh, dear, Steve Otto(North Shore). What on earth are you on about? No-one has suggested she will!
    
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    January 28, 2024 6:29pm
    - fernglas
      
      Steve Todd, it’s straight from the Trump playbook. Make up a story, then deny it vigorously, preferably blaming Biden or “liberals” for the non-existent consequences. Steve Otto is emulating his idol.
      
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      January 28, 2024 7:02pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Although I’m sure that is part of it, I fear it’s much worse than that, fernglas.
        
        In my opinion, what happened was, Steve Otto(North Shore) saw the words ‘Nikki’ and ‘Haley’, and completely lost the plot. He immediately responded, without having taken account of context; of what was being said.
        
        As his idol would say, “Sad.”
        
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        January 28, 2024 7:22pm
- Ghost
  
  As an interesting side note. Trump wanted Robert Kennedy as his running mate. if Kennedy can get enough votes to stop the republicans and democrats reaching 270 then congress selects the president. Could be an interesting election if Kennedy gets enough support
  
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  January 28, 2024 7:40pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umQv89852Rk
Fani Willis Could Face ‘Criminal Liability’ Over Non Disclosure of Key Document.
Fani Willis, Fulton County’s district attorney, faces scrutiny as financial records reveal her alleged lover and Trump prosecutor, Nathan Wade, purchased a $477 airline ticket for her in 2022. Willis did not disclose this on her 2022 Income and Financial Disclosure Report, raising concerns about conflicts of interest. Wade, appointed by Willis as a special prosecutor, is accused of being her lover and benefiting from contracts awarded by her office. Former White House ethics head Richard Painter emphasized the importance of disclosure forms, while legal experts suggest Willis may face ethical and potentially criminal consequences. The judge in Willis’ case against Trump has ordered an investigation into her alleged misconduct, giving her until February 2 to respond. Willis also seeks to avoid testifying in Wade’s divorce case. These controversies could jeopardize her political career and legal pursuits against Trump.
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January 28, 2024 1:57pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKW6ug9iMe0
Germany is quitting the EU, and it’s happening earlier than you think.
“Germany is quitting the EU, and it’s happening earlier than you think” delves into the seismic changes in Germany’s political landscape, focusing on the upcoming elections and the rise of the Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) party. Amidst Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s waning popularity, we explore the growing public sentiment favoring the AfD, known for its Euro-skeptic views. This video examines the potential implications of the AfD assuming power in Germany and the party’s stance on European integration.
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January 28, 2024 1:57pm
Inthe09

I went for a walk past the Taipa boat ramp this morning – no access and the two police officers there telling anyone that showed up to go elsewhere.

I did note at one point it appeared a single boat had launched from Taipa. I wasn’t close enough to see why that was.

The Police have really misread the mood of the community here – this competition generates a lot of revenue for the area and supports a number of local charities. Allowing a handful of people to threaten that has lost the Police a huge amount of respect this weekend.

If you’re going to pick and choose laws you’ll enforce based on race then you can’t expect to retain the wider communities support.
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January 28, 2024 3:42pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Selective application of law is inherently corrupt (and corrupting).
  
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  January 28, 2024 6:02pm
  - jenkies
    
    Reminds me of that town in NZ-was it Pukekohe? Maori there were segregated and had tons of racism thrown at them for decades. Apparently there is still some who hold racist sentiment from those bad old days, (not surprised). A sad part of our history we will never forget.
    
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    January 29, 2024 10:58am
- kowtow
  
  ‘If you’re going to pick and choose laws you’ll enforce based on race then you can’t expect to retain the wider communities support.’
  
  This is exactly what makes a farce of Coster when he said allowing the illegal covid race roadblocks was “policing by consent”
  That article of his in $1uff talking of that shows he has no knowledge of the historic philosophy that underpins the British police model we have , based on the Peel principles.
  
  Luxon needs to send him , and not Mareen Pugh , a reading list.
  
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  January 28, 2024 8:40pm
- cmm
  
  It is not as if they even chose to sit back and not enforce they law.
  
  Nope, they actively joined in with the protesters and helped them enforce the blockade!
  
  When the cops are helping the crims then something bad is afoot.
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:48pm
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    Who are the ‘crims’ ? Weren’t they just protecting their people?
    
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    January 29, 2024 10:59am
Fisiani2

Wellington city council loses 44% of drinking water every day due to multiple water leaks
That Council voted a 40% increase in water services budget and a 150% increase in cycleways.
We need Commissioners for Wellington ASAP.
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January 28, 2024 4:58pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  …and the councils answer is…water meters for the ratepayers
  
  I regret that I have only one sarc/ to give
  
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  January 28, 2024 8:25pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    But but but – what about cycle meters? So we can know how few cyclists are actually using the expensive new cycleways?
    
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    January 28, 2024 8:45pm
Swifty

“The NACT/NZF government needs to be thrown out by force….”

https://www.facebook.com/share/pWDFY1P1TRF2Hiv9/?mibextid=WC7FNe
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January 28, 2024 5:02pm
Chuck Bird

Great speech by Seymour! Here’s a link where you can either read or watch the video:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/01/read-and-watch-act-leader-david-seymour-delivers-state-of-the-nation-speech.html
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January 28, 2024 5:03pm
- jenkies
  
  He’s all bluster at a private function. Pity he didn’t front up to people congregating to address his mad treaty principles! Twice! The word coward comes to mind. As do the words petulant, an image of a snarling miniature fox terrier, etc, etc.
  
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  January 29, 2024 11:03am
Ghost

Anyone got a labour mp with offices in their electorates?

Luxton finally admits she has closed her Timaru and ashburton offices, now only working out of Wellington. Good riddance . She closed timaru straight after the election

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January 28, 2024 5:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oma rapeti, oma rapeti,
  oma oma oma.
  Want the song? Google may help you.
  
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  January 28, 2024 6:02pm
Clyde

This woman ran a kindergarten or whatever it is now called under ideological BS and suddenly was informed that she was of Eastern Polynesian background and so was eligible to join the East Polynesian caucus under Mahuta and little Willie Jackson. Did her a pile of good – NOT. Another sucking at the public teat.
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January 28, 2024 5:58pm
Albie

Watched One Spews for the first time in yonks. Noticed a side profile shot of one of the coppers new Skoda wagons. As a car guy, the first thing that came to mind were the large rims- 17-18”s ? and low profile tyres.
Question: why in earth would you specify that combo unless you’re a bloody idiot with no regard for tax payers money? Just look at the average US cop car, steel wheels and high profile tyres. PS: I’m sure they got a good purchase price and ongoing maintenance programme, but as anyone who lives down here knows, euro’s are more expensive to operate than southern hemisphere sourced vehicles. Happy to debate any of the above.
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January 28, 2024 6:25pm
- kevn
  
  Albie… The Skodas are Euro, nice and low. Plenty of them have wiped out the oil sumps whilst kerb jumping, so apparently all are being fitted with sump guards now.
  Driving over kerbs not great for those low profile tyres either.
  Must have got them for a great price and the resale should be ok as well.
  
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  January 28, 2024 6:57pm
- cmm
  
  If you recall the crowing at the time, they were selected for their low emissions.
  
  Here they are crowing about it: https://m.facebook.com/GazleyMotors/posts/4184226748301872/
  
  Since Skoda is owned by VW, there might be some fabrication in the low emissions numbers but we’ll let that slide for now.
  
  Some of the low emissions is possibly attributed to the Skoda being around 200kg lighter than an equivalent car from most other brands. 200kg does not come from nowhere, so likely comes from using less strong components. That might mean that the vehicles are more prone to damage and will function poorly if the vehicles are needed to do any vehicle vs vehicle maneuvers.
  
  Quite possibly the euro-profile tyres help with reduced drag ant thus the emissions too…
  I would have though cop cars should be built like brick shit houses because they should be able to stand up to a bit of a beating.
  
  However is seems quite a few international police forces use Skodas of one sort or another these days: https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/skoda-world/skoda-cars-in-police-livery/
  
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  January 28, 2024 9:45pm
Albie

Kevn, going down the wasteful spending rabbit hole, how about Helen Clarke’s decision to purchase 105 LAV’s? Good for nothing apart from painting white with UN decals as an expensive exercise in virtue signalling?
Another example of politicians getting in the way of sensible decision making.
Would’ve thought the money could have been better spent on our maritime defence in line with Australia, but what would I know as an ex RNZAF pleb.
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