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Yvette

Like yesterday – if you have had a light breakfast this may be okay, but if you have just plugged your way through stogie porridge, scrowl on down to the next comment

.• ‘In te reo, the Māori language, people often speak about different “worlds” – te ao Māori and te ao Pākehā, the Māori and European “worlds” or ways of living; te ao tawhito and te ao hou, the old and new worlds, before and after European arrival; te pō, the dark world of the ancestors, and te ao mārama, the world of light, the everyday world we all inhabit.

It’s a way of naming different realities, different ways of being. In between, there’s always a space of encounter and emergence, chaotic and uncertain – te ao hurihuri, for example, the spinning world between Māori and Pākehā, the life of the ancestors and contemporary experience.
That’s a difficult, but fascinating realm to navigate.’ – Dame Anne Salmond

• “A human might breed pigeons for only one trait, such as tail feathers, while nature bred for countless ones – not just traits of flesh and blood, but of instincts as well – Darwin wrote – And whereas breeders can do their work only over the course of years or decades, nature has at its disposal a vast expanse of time.
— Evolution: The Triumph of an Idea by Carl Zimmer
https://read.amazon.com.au/kp/kshare?asin=B003YCOOY4&id=3hzbvoqnbnhxvknunkpmbiblm4&reshareId=WZFZKSTK9AAKHS3J21DF&reshareChannel=system

But relating to the pigeons and improving one trait, I have on occasion (usually on the throne when things are moving slower than tectonic plates) pondered whether personkind’s evolution may be, from a certain level, in their own advances mentally, and AI may be the beginning, to lift evolution further and faster than waiting for nature to give us a yet bigger brain (to weigh down the body).
But see? – higher thinking than what is perhaps usual in the throne, and maybe a key to evolving evolution itself.

And from that, a concern in moving forward, is “Why would the whole nation be moved backwards to the dark ages of 1840?

A decades old fishing competition –

• In a social media post, shared by members of the iwi to Facebook community pages, they said the action [blockading boat ramps] was meant to send a message to the participants of the competition and also the Government for its plans to “abolish Te Tiriti”

• Fisheries Minister Shane Jones labels iwi members ‘sub-cultural truants‘ for threatening annual fishing competition

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“Abolish Te Tiriti” v “sub-cultural truants”
Fucking hell, guys – this is not forward evolutionary thinking at all

No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it – Albert Einstein

And if “Abolish Te Tiriti” is the interpretation of what Seymour is keen to establish, we are in trouble and will end up in violence rather than clearer understanding of a Treaty that has been already altered enough that the current misinformation obviously seems to mean some of the population is trying to protect from alteration a Treaty that judiciary through to politicians, and pressure groups, have already altered.
These people are keen to protect a 1980s straw-person Treaty for the original Treaty (be that the “straw-man” English version or the “decoy” Maori version)
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January 24, 2024 8:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am happy that more and more people are becoming aware that the post 1975 Waitangi Tribunal Treaty is a rogue version. It was further tampered with by the addition of “Forestry and Fisheries.”
  We have been ripped off for nearly 50 years. The Gravy Train must come to a grinding halt!
  
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  January 24, 2024 8:57am
  - riffer
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    You are, quite simply, wrong.
    
    If you want to end the gravy train, consider giving back the 90-odd percentage of the country that was stolen from Maori.
    
    Then perhaps we can talk about halting gravy trains.
    
    Be bloody thankful that Maori are not demanding compensation for the earnings that Pakeha have made from ropatu over the last 170-odd years.
    
    Considering how unreasonable their treatment over this time, they are being amazingly reasonable.
    
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    January 24, 2024 4:23pm
    - Keith White
      
      “Amazingly reasonable.”
      
      That phrase does not mean what you think it means.
      
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      January 24, 2024 4:28pm
    - artemisia
      
      90% stolen? That’s not a number I have heard before. Does it include all of the applications heard and determined in the Maori Land Court? And does it suggest the decisions are invalid? Even those very many where the precursor to the hearing was a formal meeting of owners.
      
      That would definitely be interesting and should be the subject of an independent deep dive into the minutes and the court orders. There are rather a lot of them, and they are very carefully documented and publicly available. Important records but not easy as common for a single person to have a dozen or more names – similar or very different. But they all had to be recorded.
      
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      January 24, 2024 4:47pm
    - fredonas
      
      I suggest you misguidedly believe in a common NZ leftist myth. Apart from land confiscated by the Crown as a “fine” for armed revolts, the majority of land was sold, sometimes several times over by unscrupulous “traditional owners”. The Government had to appoint a Land Commissioner to sort out the mess and ascertain who owned what.
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/land-ownership/page-1
      
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      January 24, 2024 4:53pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Facts riffer, facts.
      90 od percent was stolen. let’s have some data, some facts.
      What’s that? you have none? It is just common knowledge.
      Go educate yourself sonny.
      
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      January 24, 2024 5:12pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      This sort of stuff is just bizarre. How did European colonization “Steal” a modern industrial society from a neolithic Polynesian one?
      The only way this sort of narrative is maintained is by the fantasy that all Māori are victims of modernity, when as I have said many times, Māori are now richer, healthier, longer lived, better educated and more numerous than at any time in human history.
      The last 170 years advanced Māori and Māori society forward at least 5000 years. Otzi the iceman (that guy the found in a glacier) lived in a more sophisticated age than the Māori of the 1760s.
      
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      January 24, 2024 5:22pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        200 years ago – no shoes and no wheel.
        Just Taiaha….. and the jade for kutikuti.
        
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        January 24, 2024 6:51pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      riffer,
      https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/national-are-capitulating/
      There is a link to the Treaty.
      Read the whole webpage and as I said, educate yourself. If there are any ‘lies’ I am sure Julian Batchelor can correct you sonny.
      
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      January 24, 2024 5:39pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “They” and “Maori” are mythical entities, ephemeral and indefinable. There’s not a single Maori alive without “pakeha” blood, genes, ancestors, history and traditions.
      
      You’ve made a word up “ropatu” – I assume in your ignorance you mean “raupatu” but I wonder if your ropatu includes land that shyster Maori sold several times over to different pakeha, and if it includes lands stolen by conquest between tribes, which ironically was the main reason so many chiefs begged Queen Victoria to bring the rule of law and make them all British subjects.
      
      Subjects, not partners – the difference is important. To suggest that the Empress of large parts of the world would enter into a partnership with illiterate savages seeking a way out of the incessant bloodshed is the stuff of fantasy.
      
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      January 24, 2024 6:30pm
      - Westie Bob
        
        And for context The Louisiana Purchase encompassed 530,000,000 acres of territory in North America that the United States purchased from France in 1803 for $15 million. NZ is 66 million acres at the arse end of the world so would have been practically worthless at the time of the treaty signing.
        
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        January 25, 2024 5:18pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      riffer: ” consider giving back the 90-odd percentage of the country that was stolen from Maori.”
      
      You’ve fallen for a lefty urban legend. Wonder what the person was smoking when they kicked off that one?
      
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      January 24, 2024 8:59pm
      - fredonas
        
        Who knows but I bet they were sitting on a beer crate and there was a poster of Che Guevara on the wall 🙂
        
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        January 25, 2024 11:26am
- rockape
  
  I amok with a bit of violence to achieve what is right . So yes if Maori want a fight I am up for it . Pity there isn’t a chance to organise a convoy in support of the fishing competition, pickaxe handels optional. Before anyone gets upset it’s why I joined the military for as did my father in 1939 and his father in 1914. They stood up for their rights and in support of their Governent amd their fellows.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:27am
  - Yvette
    
    Rockape, your comment may be QED to what my remark was above.
    
    But I am disturbed that so many Maori (and sympathisers) have misunderstood Seymour’s long-explained position: that the Treaty needs to be reviewed, mainly for 1970s add ons
    
    The US equivalent, which I have bored people silly with a few times, is the Supreme’s ruling on Roe/Wade, saying the right to abortion is not in the Constitution, which has created globe-wide anger about abortion, rather than anyone pointing out the purification of the founding document of the United States of America.
    Even here media pestered Christian Luxon about abortion, with him replying that the laws here are set in stone, but no one gave any consideration of looking at our “founding document” for additions in interpretation which are not in the original.
    
    So some people misunderstand Seymour’s intention, or wilfully misinterpret it, and seem eager to “go to war” as Willie Jackson says, without foreseeing they are setting up an imitation of 1930’s Germany.
    Haha! – Goodwin’s Law. But still that is what so easily is happening.
    
    And “Christchurch Call” should comment on the online misinformation, but they won’t – perhaps for reason’s of “conflict of interests”.
    They seem to be set-up stem online action once bad shit has already happened: they will suppress
    a madman’s live-video of mayhem as they commit it, but won’t do anything about the online crap that triggers it.
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:28am
    - artemisia
      
      They haven’t misunderstood Mr Seymour’s position at all.
      
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      January 24, 2024 11:06am
      - Grumpy Silver Top
        
        They haven’t even thought about what David Seymour really means. All they see is the disintegration of their gravy train.
        
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        January 24, 2024 11:25am
      - Ghost
        
        I think many have misunderstood and it is because of how the media are pushing this
        
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        January 24, 2024 11:30am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Yes. Literally, we should “honour the Treaty”.
      
      The actual Treaty as signed, not the imaginary one with all these new malleable “principles”created from whole cloth.
      
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      January 24, 2024 12:29pm
- alphabeatrium
  
  I’ve often wondered, but never been told, how absolute the Treaty is considered to be. It doesn’t include a mechanism for its amendment. Is it simply a matter of Parliamentary super-majority if we wanted to amend, or even rescind (and possibly replace) the Treaty?
  
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  January 24, 2024 1:35pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Labour got their ‘Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi’ into law in 1987. It didn’t re-write the Treaty, it has virtually replaced it! Were you consulted about that via a referendum?
    
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    January 24, 2024 3:36pm
    - alphabeatrium
      
      This is precisely the point that needs to be made calmy by people with limited baggage, to the general public. The media will run interference by saying dumb things like “Seymour wants to re-write the Treaty”, but that needs a continuous stream of level heads pointing out that the Principles of the Treaty already attempted an effective re-write, and now we need to actually codify these principles before they get away on us—and away from the actual text and intention of the Treaty.
      
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      January 25, 2024 11:47am
westernScientist

guess there is a reason Bunnings is cheaper for the same products: https://www.stuff.co.nz/culture/350156115/mitre10-changes-culturally-insensitive-product-names
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January 24, 2024 8:10am
- thirteenstars
  
  Māori cultural and tikanga expert Karaitiana Taiuru said the company was correct in thinking the original names were inappropriate.
  
  “Rivers are normally named after ancestors, they have spiritual connections to both the physical environment and the people … many Māori believe that their rivers have a mauri, or a life essence inside them,” he said.”
  
  Yip, yip. Religious reasons. Mauri. Life essence. All of this to be taught in a public school near you very soon. Part of the science curriculum, of course. Within a few years every company will have a cultural advisor, probably part of HR.
  
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  January 24, 2024 8:44am
  - David Garrett
    
    thirteen: Apparent rocks also have a mauri…total and utter bullshit which should remain where it came from…in the stone age…
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:20am
  - Ehlana
    
    “The products were sourced from overseas”
    
    So, the “Maori” names were just a branding exercise for New Zealand anyway? Why, to make us think they were designed or manufactured here?
    
    Maybe they should just call them whatever they are known as overseas.
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:49am
  - Grumpy Silver Top
    
    Many of them already do, for ……sake! Especially our secular places of learning, that is, Universities.
    
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    January 24, 2024 11:26am
  - lifesgood
    
    And to think I have been extremely loyal to Mitre 10 forever and then they come out with this bullshit. I’ll have to start going to Bunnings, I guess.
    
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    January 24, 2024 11:59am
  - Jake Dee
    
    Let’s not be too hard on Māori describing rivers (and other things) as alive. There is no single scientific definition for what is “Alive”, but considering that a river moves, uses energy, responds to changes in the environment, has a beginning and an end and is clearly full of living things it’s not a bad metaphor.
    If you have some sort of philosophical knife that can perfectly slice metaphors out of descriptions, then I would like to see it.
    The Americans describe the Stock Market as alive and that isn’t even a physical thing, but it can get scared and excited and is even dominated by “animal spirits” presumably the totemic animal of Bull and Bear.
    I’m not exactly a cultural relativist but let’s not pretend it’s just “One and Done”.
    
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    January 24, 2024 12:39pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Antarctica hottest on record ?
      Well apparently not.
      https://www.aaadts.com/
      The usual suspect of falsifying records knows no bounds.
      As previously posted, I follow the actual satelite imagery in a time lapse mode.
      There is a good one on youtube for both Arctic and Antarctic.
      But hey, Never let the facts get in the way of a good narative.
      
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      January 24, 2024 1:18pm
    - Paul
      
      Hi Jake Dee, nothing is alive. Nothing at all. Everything is movement, which starts and stops.
      If you can prove me wrong, do so.
      What is Life? It is Space without the rocks.
      
      Thus is the essence of Humanity. No Aliens. No Ghosts. After all, who makes the Ghost Clothes?
      
      Feel Alive? That is where you are.
      
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      January 24, 2024 6:38pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Jake Dee, NZ pro-separatism people are invoking woo in an attempt to puff up the supposed importance of this or this aspect of their demands. Stock market people are just using cute rhetoric to describe real-world things there.
      
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      January 24, 2024 9:03pm
  - Rumblestrip
    
    It’s absolutely a religious belief. It is a kind of animism or pantheism – the belief that everything in nature is divine or has some kind of supernatural force. So rocks have a spirit, mountains have a spirit, rivers have a spirit, etc. etc.
    
    If someone wants to believe that, fine. Just don’t expect me to respect it without physical evidence and don’t teach it to my kids as if it were real.
    
    The NZ Bill of Rights affirms our freedom of religious belief, and that includes freedom to reject religious beliefs.
    
    (Oh, and notice that we once again have a “Maori cultural expert” who is at least implicitly speaking on behalf of all Maori. I am sure many Maori would tell him to take a long walk off a short pier.)
    
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    January 24, 2024 4:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Renaming is now beyond ridiculous.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:09am
  - pdm
    
    Complete bullshit I say.
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Keep your eye on the ball (Gravy Train)
      This renaming is a diversion for the stupid.
      
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      January 24, 2024 5:15pm
    - riffer
      
      Well that’s because you don’t understand the Maori view. Hardy surprising you would think that coming from a position of ignorance.
      
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      January 24, 2024 6:08pm
      - Paul
        
        I will repost this:
        Riffer, nothing is alive. Nothing at all. Everything is movement, which starts and stops.
        If you can prove me wrong, do so.
        What is Life? It is Space without the rocks.
        
        Thus is the essence of Humanity. No Aliens. No Ghosts. After all, who makes the Ghost Clothes?
        
        Feel Alive? That is where you are.
        
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        January 24, 2024 6:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Stop your shit. As is said ‘we are one people.’
        riffer, you are not one of the people who are one people.
        Forget it mate —- before you lose all arguments and brand me “RACIST.”
        Out of your depth sonny.
        
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        January 24, 2024 7:31pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Riffer. Yet your 90% of NZ land stolen claim is pure ignorance. Any evidence that every person with some Maori ancestry has a particular set “view”? Nope. Ignorance again from you.
        
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        January 24, 2024 9:07pm
  - Rumblestrip
    
    With all the interest in giving our cities dual names (so Dunedin becomes Dunedin/Otepoti, Nelson becomes Nelson/Whakatu, etc), I am still waiting to hear the official European dual names assigned to the likes of Rotorua, Whangarei and Taupo.
    
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    January 24, 2024 11:08pm
- Damocles11
  
  So they are removing Te Reo names and replacing them with English ones.
  Righto.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:18am
  - Kiwiguy
    
    Yes, the irony…
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:51am
    - Matt Long
      
      Wouldn’t it be great to be able to do a web search for health services and find something in english first up that matches your query.
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They always had English names.
    Oh, I did not see the sarc// sorry! 🙂
    
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    January 24, 2024 5:19pm
  - Rumblestrip
    
    I feel the same group of professional whingers would be liable to take offence no matter which way the name change went!
    
    One way, you’re either appropriating “their” name. The other way, you are erasing their culture. Either way, you should be ashamed, racist!
    
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    January 24, 2024 11:01pm
- Southern Raider
  
  I naively thought at the start of the article maybe the company had actually used some random Māori words that could be considered inappropriate eg “Kai” eg food instead of toilet set
  
  But no they had just used standard NZ place names like Te Anau for a version of a towel ring. This is just what multiple companies do. Do it’s okay to have the “Clutha” or “Gore” reclining lounge suite, but don’t dare to use any Māori town name?
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:24am
  - Damocles11
    
    Those Maori names have their own innate ‘life force’. You need to get to grips with the ever-increasing emphasis on Maori mysticism as a phenomenon in its own right. What it is all supposed to infer is that ‘the Maori way’ is better than ‘the Pakeha way’, so that when ‘decolonisation’ and ‘re-indigenisation’ reaches its zenith, we will all be so much happier than we are under the ‘selfish’ ‘neo-liberal’ ‘Pakeha way’.
    Of course, the pre-European ‘Maori way’ often entailed the conquest of neighbouring tribes, with land taken and captives eaten or put to work as slaves. Life was harsh and brutal, infanticide was common; these were not the ‘happy noble savages’ fantasy that the Leftists are foisting on us.
    
    ‘Decolonisation’ and ‘re-indigenisation’ are a very real ‘thing’ being driven by the Left. Example here –
    
    https://talkwellington.org.nz/2022/re-indigenising-decolonising-design/
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:29am
    - Jack5
      
      NZ is on its own up-river Heart of Darkness voyage. Indigenous beliefs aren’t easily eradicated by religions like the Abrahamic Three and Hinduism and Buddhism.
      
      Joseph Conrad was far sighted in many of his novels. Appropriate that he was once skipper of the sailing ship, Otago.
      
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      January 24, 2024 12:04pm
      - Damocles11
        
        It interests me that two of the very greatest writers in English were a Pole in Conrad (Jozef Korzeniowski) and a Russian in Nabokov. Conrad did not speak English until his twenties.
        
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        January 24, 2024 1:29pm
  - JerJer
    
    Having been to McDonalds a couple of times over the holidays I see they also have the dead language in their stores. Ironically they have it in two places. Toilets and Rubbish tins. Hilarious. I wonder if they will be pulled up on this insult they are making to the entire country.
    
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    January 24, 2024 4:37pm
- Ghost
  
  I prefer names like, toilet seat, toilet roll holder, towel holder. Don’t see the point in giving them stupid names.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:24am
  - Damocles11
    
    Philicia will only wipe her bottom with paper deployed from a superior ‘Legacy’ toilet roll holder.
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:33am
    - Keith White
      
      Then I hope she’s not manning – oops, personning! – any sales counter where I shop.
      
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      January 24, 2024 4:30pm
- Opie
  
  “I would have thought they would have spent a little bit of money as part of their marketing and branding budget just to double check that these names were okay.”
  
  There it is. It’s only a problem because you have paid the maoris for it.
  
  All of this makes sense when you follow the money
  
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  January 24, 2024 11:54am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’ve purposed to stop buying from woke organisations. I send them a super polite “I’m no longer using your service email” and then proceed to give my money to their competitors. Market forces, and all that.
  
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  January 24, 2024 1:39pm
Maggie Pie

Just how LOW are they prepared to go with their hate for National?

‘The Horrids’ multi-media journalists Lincoln Tan and Raphael Franks report…

https://twitter.com/PhillipCurran8/status/1749653318169948461
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January 24, 2024 8:12am
- kevn
  
  Horrid… They are stuck in the dirt, lost their moral compass and spitting on the 50%+ that voted sensibly.
  
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  January 24, 2024 8:23am
- Souvlaki
  
  So far, Im not regretting my cancellation of their ‘ Premium content’ sub & unlikely to under their current editorial direction!
  
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  January 24, 2024 8:23am
  - Damocles11
    
    Hopefully you won’t be tempted to go back, despite whatever enticements they may offer you. They are desperate to boost their subscriber numbers in order to keep their advertisers. Subscribers are just a numbers game, just ‘useful idiots’ necessary to harvest advertising dollars.
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:22am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    We get the printed version of the NZ Herald at work. It is mostly just a Harvey Norman mailer.
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:01am
- Clyde
  
  If I understand this, someone has set up an account and site using the name ChrisLuxon.org, put a false message on it and somehow got a major porn site to run an ad on it – presumably paying for it. And NZ MSM pick it up and put it on their FB page.
  
  Surely Luxon has grounds for finding out, using the resources available to him what piece of despicable dog shit did this, and use the force of law to come down really hard?
  
  Or is this some overseas mates of the Watermelons, Liemore or the East Polynesians responsible?
  
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  January 24, 2024 8:30am
  - pdm
    
    Surely he can sue the Herald for Defamation.
    
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    January 24, 2024 8:36am
    - Che Guava
      
      If we have a society where pornography is normalised, completely legal and accessible to any person of any age as long as they have access to the internet, then how is this defamation? If porn is so immoral and destructive (which I think it is), then let’s go back to first principles and ban porn in our society.
      
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      January 24, 2024 8:52am
      - Opie
        
        You can’t just ban things because you don’t like them.
        
        Even if it’s the worst thing in the world.
        
        Should you ban mein kampf?
        
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        January 24, 2024 11:57am
      - Jack5
        
        Opie, the problem is distinguishing between bans because of unpopularity and bans because of danger.
        
        Who wouldn’t support banning how-to books on IED bomb making and mass poisoning?
        
        There have to be limits in freedom of information.
        
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        January 24, 2024 12:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        Actually you can ban things, and we do. Child porn. Do you want that ban removed because I’d say that is one of the worst things in the world, mein kampf doesn’t even come close
        
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        January 24, 2024 12:20pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Opie
        Of course we can and should ban things we don’t like, because that is the function of laws, in that they reflect what is right or wrong.
        
        Banning the ideas in books is very different, in that, for instance, being able to read Mein Kampf is a right all curious and thinking people should be able to exercise. Ideas themselves aren’t moral or immoral, it is only actions that have moral value.
        
        Besides, think of the alternative: if we couldn’t read Mein Kampf if we wanted to, we’d have to just rely on someone else’s (probably self-interested) opinion of Hitler and his motivations and his worldview, rather than make our own judgments based on his own words like rational people do.
        
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        January 24, 2024 12:52pm
    - peterwn
      
      The Lange v Atkinson case set a high hurdle for politicians wanting to sue the media.
      
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      January 24, 2024 8:58am
    - G152
      
      Since the media are virtually bankrupt he could end up owning them.
      This could herald the end of papers
      
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      January 24, 2024 12:09pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    The management and governance at the NZ Herald is not fit for purpose.
    Asleep at the wheel.
    The rats are steering the sailing ship.
    
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    January 24, 2024 8:39am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    from the looks of this, this screenshot did not come from the Herald. The Herald does not run a verified account. As much as we would lilke to get angry at this, take a moment. Breathe. Look deeper and you will find some immature people having some fun at both Chris Luxon, and the Herald’s expense.
    
    I have my issues with the MSM, but they wouldn’t do something as stupid as this.
    
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    January 24, 2024 8:41am
    - R
      
      wouldn’t do something as stupid as……
      yes they would, if they thought that it would increase sales circulation.
      Been happening for years.
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:21am
    - Damocles11
      
      It’s the manner in which they reported on it that angers people.
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:36am
    - lifesgood
      
      …wouldn’t do something as stupid as this. You reckon?
      
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      January 24, 2024 12:02pm
  - Yvette
    
    Christian Christopher Luxon should respectfully submit the details he has of the besmirching of his person to the Jacinda Ardern administered “Christchurch Call”, as this online lie can be a contributing factor to the image of an Internet pornographer, as other misinformation is apparent in the conflict now that he is going to erase the Treaty – a matter that likely at some point will involve violence that the “Christchurch Call” is born to control.
    Either the “Christchurch Call” can anticipate an online violent situation and seek to prevent it, or the entity is not fit for purpose.
    
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    January 24, 2024 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Luxon should be able to have it removed, just as Ardern had the google cache scrubbed of all references to her possible kickback from Pfizer. It was there – now nothing.
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:13am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Don’t forget, during covid the Ardern government had a back door portal to access user accounts on Facebook. They could get posts they didn’t like scrubbed or hidden.
      
      Not sure if the new government still has this facility, but Luxon has read the room badly on the Christchurch Call/Ardern scam. It’s just another system to permit authority to censor free speech.
      
      Putting Ardern in charge with almost half a million in expenses annually (she doesn’t charge for her time apparently – hahahahahahahah!!) is a red rag to a bull for millions of NZers.
      
      I voted National/NZ First at the election, but always felt Luxon is the wet weak link. This move reinforces that. Maybe he has a cunning plan that plebs like me can’t fathom, we’ll see.
      
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      January 24, 2024 9:55am
      - David Garrett
        
        Clan: Your first impression was spot on.
        
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        January 24, 2024 10:34am
    - Ghost
      
      Ah no, that fake still exists and you’ve still fallen for it. If you are going to make accusations like that you should back it up
      
      https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/claims-about-jacinda-arderns-wealth-not-worth-a-brass-razoo/
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:01am
      - imalwaysright
        
        “* AAP FactCheck is an accredited member of the International Fact-Checking Network”
        
        Thank god for that!
        
        I thought you were going to send us to a third rate site that wasn’t an accredited member of the International Fact-Checking Network.
        
        Thanks a million !
        
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        January 24, 2024 10:53am
      - Ghost
        
        The third Rate site is the site that claimed she was worth $25 million, they have since downgraded it to $1.5 million.
        
        https://www.apumone.com/jacinda-ardern-net-worth/
        
        But some people believe this nonsense, claim the evidence was deleted from the internet, and never back up their claim.
        
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        January 24, 2024 10:57am
      - NothingLeft
        
        She get’s $50k a year for life from 5 years as PM, plus whatever she saved from $500k/year salary, plus free travel and car etc. That equates to a couple of mill anyway. And will inevitably find woke organizations to pay her $0.5-1 mill a year to put her name on a door/website, regardless of how much work she actually does.
        
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        January 24, 2024 11:42am
      - Ghost
        
        She also has a mortgage on her home, well she still did in her last Pecuniary Interest
        
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        January 24, 2024 12:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ghost, you missed the bit about google cache scrubbing.
        Not just google either. All gone.
        
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        January 24, 2024 5:29pm
      - Ghost
        
        you just believe rubbish and then whinge it’s been scrubbed. Google caches change when the sites update, they aren’t scrubbing anything. You need to stop spreading fake shit.
        
        And actually since you can’t front up with evidence here is the original post that set the rumour off that stupid people fell for
        
        https://web.archive.org/web/20211024224039/https://www.apumone.com/jacinda-ardern-net-worth/
        
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        January 24, 2024 5:36pm
    - Countrygirl
      
      And just as Helen Clark had all references to Peters escapade in USA removed.
      
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      January 24, 2024 12:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        Ah, no. Do you people know of this thing called google, or even bing, you can even use yandex or other search engines
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bitter-clark-savages-rumours/7AUAJQ6MICTQ23FFCIUXKOPIZA/
        
        https://issuu.com/iwishart/docs/investigate_aug06
        
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        January 24, 2024 1:04pm
      - Countrygirl
        
        Ghost. I myself was alerted to, by a friend, and read, the report from the USA re his actions and that he was removed. Within about half an hour the article disappeared. I unfortunately did not take a screenshot nor any other method of confirmation that it was there.
        
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        January 24, 2024 1:41pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      “I’m sorry Miss, but a dog ate my conspiracy’
      That’s thin Otto, damned thin.
      Normally I would say that’ s a cup of weak tea, but you don’t even have the smell of a cup of tea. What you have is an anonymous accusation that there was some evidence (uncorroborated and unverified) of a conspiracy, which has now disappeared.
      Damned thin.
      I’ve seen spectral phantoms with more meat on their bones than that.
      
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      January 25, 2024 1:38am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Ardern has exactly the same thing, but it was hush hush by the media, why the Hearald had the vulgarity to put that article is beyond me, but it was utter petty crap, the never put it up for Ardern
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:53am
- kowtow
  
  “Cheers and enjoy”
  
  NZME publish that on X/twitter with no context .
  
  No wonder people are giving up on them in droves.
  
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  January 24, 2024 8:34am
  - Damocles11
    
    They actively troll people, then pretend to be astonished when they cop abuse in return. The likes of Simon Wilson and Rod Emmerson churn out Leftist content, then apparently can’t understand why people are furious at what has happened to a once beloved newspaper.
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:25am
  - Simon
    
    “No wonder people are giving up on them in droves.”
    
    Doesnt matter. They will get a massive pay day when Labo are back in control. In the meantime maybe they pick up some Soros type money.
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:27am
    - Damocles11
      
      They have to survive for 3 years first.
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:37am
      - muzled
        
        More likely they have to survive for 3×3 years, and quite possibly 4×3 years.
        
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        January 24, 2024 11:41am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Wonder if those intrepid reporters would have been brave enough to run a similar ‘hit-piece’ in the Pyongyang Times if they were resident in the DPRK?
  
  You would think immigrants to NZ would be more respectful.
  Just saying.
  
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  January 24, 2024 8:45am
- Paulus
  
  Plenty of hate to come from almost all so called media.
  The Media Party lost the election and to get its own back continually against the Government they are backing every move that Maori can find in order to embarrass the ELECTED government.
  Watch Ratana today, and even more so Waitangi, as both are highly backed by the so called media.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:59am
- Over40SingleMan
  
  Good to see some excellent picks from Luxon …. Grant Robinson’s top picks; not so much.
  
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  January 24, 2024 10:20am
- PurplePen
  
  They did post the photo of St J photo on a toilet seat. At the time the South Island debating social club was hauled over the coals by MSM for being disrespectful to said holy person. What the MSM fsiled to report was the trophy has always been a toilet seat. The image of St J was because the debate was about some aspect of her PM-ship. The team that won and hence was awarded the trophy was the one that argued in St J’s favour.
  
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  January 24, 2024 12:01pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Hato Hone?
    
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    January 24, 2024 3:38pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Just ignore them, and whatever you do, unsubscribe if you are giving them money!
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:09pm
KH

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Chloe Swarbrick has been castigated here on KB for chanting “From the river to the sea” on behalf of Palestinians. I am no fan of Swarbrick but there are others who take this stupid approach.
The words “from the river to the sea” do not originate with Palestinians or their supporters, but with right-wing Israeli politicians themselves. The very first principle of Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party manifesto chillingly states that “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty” (Likud Party: Original Party Platform 1977, Article A).

Nor is it just Palestinian sovereignty which is thus erased but, most recently, its very geography.

In an address to the UN General Assembly on September 22, 2023, Netanyahu flourished a placard-map brazenly entitled “The New Middle East”.

Here Israel is depicted as the entirety of land “between the Sea and the Jordan”, while Palestine’s Gaza Strip and West Bank are completely expunged from the map.
Madness on both sides.
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January 24, 2024 8:14am
- Grunter
  
  There are no “goodies” & “baddies” in any of this – just ‘baddies” & “baddies”.
  
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  January 24, 2024 8:42am
- Che Guava
  
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  This isn’t the first time the Israelis have been hypocrites and employed projection, and I doubt it will be the last.
  
  The hypocrisy states that “from the river to the sea means genocide whenever Palestinians say it, but the same phrase represents a moral imperative when a Zionist says it.”
  
  How this contradictory meaning can be reconciled is anyone’s guess.
  
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  January 24, 2024 8:59am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Do Arabs live happy, safe lives with equal rights to Jews within Israel? Yes. Could you imagine the reverse to be true within a Palestinian state? Err…
    
    There’s your answer as to the difference
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:25am
    - Che Guava
      
      You didn’t explain the contradiction. The claim is that “from the river to the sea” means genocide, yet this is the same phrase the Israelis use, but, we are asked to believe, when they use it it means something less than genocide.
      
      But, rather than guessing and assuming, let’s be empirical as to the respective intentions: Israel is currently committing an actual genocide in Gaza, going far far beyond “destroying Hamas”, so we don’t need to speculate as to what their policy is, we just need to look at what they are doing.
      
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      January 24, 2024 9:51am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        It’s context. Hamas’ version implies the murder of all the Jews currently in the area. The “Zionist’s” version doesn’t imply the murder of Palestinians.
        
        As for the lie that Israel is committing Genocide. They aren’t. There is no evidence of that. It’s a tragedy that innocent people are dying but they are absolutely fighting a war with people that want to commit genocide against them.
        
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        January 24, 2024 10:35am
      - Cassandra
        
        Israel is not committing genocide in Gaza. That is a dopey thing to write. The reconciliation you seek is that if the Arabs rule Palestine then the Jews will be expelled or murdered; if the Jews rule then the Arabs will get healthcare and pensions.
        
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        January 24, 2024 11:12am
      - James Stephenson
        
        You didn’t explain the contradiction.
        
        Sheesh, ok in words of minimal syllables for the hard-of-thinking. When Hamas and their sympathisers say “from the river to the sea” they are claiming a Palestinian state which would be Jew-free. It is a call for genocide or at least ethnic-cleansing.
        
        When Likud or their supporters claim sovereignty from “the river to the sea” they are claiming the land for the state of Israel but it’s fair to assume that Arabs would be treated exactly the same as they are within the current state of Israel. It is not a call for genocide or ethnic-cleansing, merely for a larger state with easier to control borders.
        
        As for your assertion that Israel is committing an “actual genocide” in Gaza, when was the last time a genocidal power used social media to post safe escape routes?
        
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        January 24, 2024 11:55am
      - thirteenstars
        
        “As for the lie that Israel is committing Genocide. They aren’t. ”
        
        Indeed they are not. But you’ll not that get through the skull of an anti-Semite.
        
        By the given standard then every Allied nation fighting in, say, WW2 was committing genocide. That is, our fathers, grandfathers, uncles, etc. were all genocidal maniacs.
        
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        January 24, 2024 12:51pm
    - Paulus
      
      How many Palestinian Arabs live and work in Israel every day ?
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:01am
    - kowtow
      
      As we know since 1948 there has been a literal ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab/ Muslim lands .The only safe place for them is Israel.( but now even their border regions aren’t ;Oct 7 th).
      
      Te media ignore that.
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:07am
  - Grunter
    
    The fact that both sides use the same mad chant “From the River to the Sea” just shows how ridiculous the situation is.
    
    As usual, civilians are the cannon fodder of the crazy elites.
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:37am
- Jack5
  
  But Chloe Swarbrick chants the slogan while wearing Palestinians’ resistance symbol, the keffiyeh, the distinctly patterned black and white scarf.
  
  Where does she stand on the pro-Hamas attacks by Houthi rebels, and the effects of these on NZ? Where does she stand on NZ defence personnel being involved in anti-Houthi measures?
  
  In 2017, Chloe Swarbrick, at the age of 23, was the youngest NZ MP for 42 years.
  
  She’s been overtaken by woman from an even crazier party. Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke, of the Maori Party, at 21 became the country’s youngest MP for 170 years. And a double-hyphenated name trumps an umlaut somewhere in “Chloe”.
  
  In 154 days Chloe Swarbrick turns 30! Grown up, and, we hope, still feistier by the day.
  
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  January 24, 2024 8:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Talking of Chlöe Swarbrick….
    
    How is she?
    Has anyone seen her or heard about her lately?
    
    Most unlike her not to be in the news at every opportunity.
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:54am
    - Grunter
      
      I think we know why.
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:22am
    - R
      
      Shopping perhaps!
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:32am
      - lifesgood
        
        Lying low going “Don’t look at me, don’t look at me” I suspect.
        
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        January 24, 2024 12:07pm
    - Philview
      
      I believe she was on TV this morning attacking the Government’s decision yesterday to send military personnel to the Middle East
      
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      January 24, 2024 11:23am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Marama Davidson has been the spokesperson for the Green Party about the Military Deployment to the Red Sea.
        
        I have seen nothing from Ms Swarbrick.
        
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        January 24, 2024 4:31pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      MW: “Talking of Chlöe Swarbrick…. How is she?
      Has anyone seen her or heard about her lately?”
      
      Spewing tons of Co2 into the atmosphere while jetting across the globe?
      
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      January 24, 2024 9:11pm
  - Paulus
    
    Because she remains thick, but was elected.
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:02am
  - G152
    
    Is 30 the age or the IQ
    
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    January 24, 2024 12:14pm
    - Keith White
      
      “And.”
      
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      January 24, 2024 4:39pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Be kind to lefties. They can’t help it. You can only keep smashing them (metaphorically of course) with the facts. Some do eventually wake up and go to the light.
      
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      January 24, 2024 9:13pm
- David Garrett
  
  KH: I agree, there is madness on both sides.
  
  IMO there is simply no solution to “the Middle East problem”.But to be fair – and I am by no means an unconditional supporter of Israel – a “two state solution” has been offered to the Palestinians at least a couple of times; it is always rejected as not being enough.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:15am
  - Damocles11
    
    The Arabs rejected the UN Partition Plan (i.e. two state solution) way back in 1947. Had they accepted it back then, decades of war and killing would have been avoided.
    
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    January 24, 2024 11:13am
    - Jake Dee
      
      But what sort of state? a sovereign state or a pseudo vassal state? The details are important.
      
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      January 24, 2024 12:52pm
      - Damocles11
        
        A sovereign state.
        
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        January 24, 2024 3:40pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        Well, I don’t know when that deal was offered, certainly not recently. In 2008 Netanyahu said that a Palestinian state could exist, but the conditions were no military or control of its own airspace. In 2017, he said Palestinians could have a “state minus” with Israel maintaining “security control” of all the land.
        A sovereign power may do whatever they choose within their territory and make any deals they wish with any other sovereign power.
        This is a crucial issue that reaches far beyond Israel/Palestine. The Rules Based International Order tells us that Ukraine is a sovereign state and may arm itself and make alliances as it sees fit without any security veto from its neighbors and also that Palestine cannot be a sovereign state and may not arm itself or make alliances as it sees fit because of a security veto from its neighbor.
        That’s a fatal contradiction.
        The rules must be enforced expect when they must not be enforced.
        It’s not so much the morality of it but the stupid double dealing of it that’s the problem.
        
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        January 24, 2024 5:04pm
- KH
  
  That idea Arabs Israeli citizens are treated equally is wishful thinking. That idea only suits a preconceived point.
  https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/arabs-israel-protest-unchecked-crime-netanyahu-vows-crackdown-2023-08-23/
  
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  January 24, 2024 1:08pm
Waipuk

For some vague reason I don’t watch news from New Zealand media so a question.

Has there been much coverage about the farmer protests in Europe?

https://youtu.be/x0xINFegzTY?si=87EcFTTFmO98BOTR
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January 24, 2024 8:15am
- peterwn
  
  Not news. European farmers have always been protesting.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:01am
  - Paulus
    
    EC was created predominantly to back the Common Agricultural Policy which totally protects the small French Farmer..
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:04am
- Philview
  
  TVNZ News has very little international news unless tied to their ideological focus. For example a mate was in Sweden last week and told me it was -47 where he was staying and locals saying the coldest winter in many a year. TVNZ reporting the other night that the Greenland so warm this winter the ice is melting at record rates. Different locations but something doesn’t add up between the 2 scenarios.
  
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  January 24, 2024 11:34am
  - Conservatarian
    
    The last time I watched TV1 News with any regularity was during the early stages of the reign of the evil fascist Orange Man. I could tune in live on TV1 at 6.04pm, immediately after the top news item, for the delayed airing of the two minutes of hate directed at the Orange Man. The Orange Man Bad piece would have first aired just hours earlier having been produced by Trump derangement networks ABC / NBC / CBS etc. I recall Wendy’s concern after the NBC piece on Orange Man’s literal rounding up of Muslims, Mexicans and women wanting an abortion into secret death camps in western Nebraska. Simon then empathetically nodded at the end of the piece and then moved onto the second news item of the day, which was about Auckland traffic congestion. Stupid me – it was only in March 2017 that I realised the TV news is a performative joke.
    
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    January 24, 2024 2:20pm
- wsk12345
  
  I heard the Europe correspondent talking to Kathryn Ryan on 9to noon earlier this week. He talked at length about the protests against the “far right party”, AfD. Millions of protesters apparently. But obvs the farmer protests didn’t suit the narrative as they were not mentioned even in this context.
  
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  January 24, 2024 11:49am
- Master Mariner
  
  If you think this is about Farmers now, It is about the unrealistic ambitions and by default the disintergration of living standards in Germany.
  Rail workers have now joined the protest.
  People have had a gutsful of the countries direction.
  Farmers are now the catalyst for country wide protests.
  Yep and bugger all reporting.
  
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  January 24, 2024 1:40pm
My-Gumboot

Great to have a Minister of Health that has a grasp on his ministry. Shane Reti is a master in his role.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/507330/reti-confirms-transfer-of-decision-making-to-regions-is-among-health-priorities
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January 24, 2024 8:21am
Jack5

The Woke Resistance battles on at the Ministry of Health.

“Manatu Hauora” lingers on as the main title at the Ministry’s web site.
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January 24, 2024 8:24am
rouppe

Just listened to the political roundup on Newstalk zb.

Mark Mitchell needs to harden up. The Labour party just screeches “racist” and national are scurrying for places to hide.

Losers
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January 24, 2024 8:33am
- Grunter
  
  I had to switch to another station and listen to Pink Floyd……. It was awful (ZB – that is)
  
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  January 24, 2024 8:52am
  - David Garrett
    
    Grunter: 93.8…forgotten the name of the station…basically “stoner radio”!
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:17am
    - David Garrett
      
      Is it “The Sound”?? I am in Tonga so can’t tune in right now.
      
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      January 24, 2024 9:19am
      - Grunter
        
        Yep, that’s the one. Often used to stop Grunter from grunting!!
        
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        January 24, 2024 9:40am
  - stewmar
    
    It was awful (ZB – that is)
    
    Dower is a dickhead
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:20am
    - Paulus
      
      Mike is back on Monday I understand – thank goodness.
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:05am
    - Countrygirl
      
      Well he’s way better than Travers.
      
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      January 24, 2024 1:03pm
      - Conservatarian
        
        New Zealand allows just two prime time corporate media personalities who are right of centre (Hosking) or occasionally very slightly right of centre (HDPA). Yet when either is off on leave, Newstalk ZB replaces them with dripping wet leftists like Tim Dower and Jack Tame. Says a lot about the execs who are running ZB.
        
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        January 24, 2024 2:29pm
- stewmar
  
  and national are scurrying for places to hide.
  
  I don’t see National scurrying for a place to hide.
  
  Please give examples of your statement.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:18am
  - lifesgood
    
    Exactly, @stewmar. I thought mark did well against an onslaught from some Maori fellow I’d never heard of. What did Mark say wrong? I’m curious. Generally I have liked Tim Dower, he is definitely to the right. I have disagreed with him on a couple of things but you can’t agree with people 100%, can you?
    
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    January 24, 2024 12:13pm
I remember when

Norway moves to Allow Seabed Mining Exploration:
NY Times.
“Norway have encountered stiff opposition from environmentalists who say that not enough is known about the life at the bottom of the sea to authorise mining.”
“Initially, the work in Norway will involve collecting information about the amount of metals in the seabed and what harm large-scale mining might cause to aquatic life.”

So what are the environmentalists opposed to?
Is it that the research may reveal that the damage from mining will not be significant?
Or, do they just want to maintain the status quo so that they can continue to say the amount of damage can’t be quantified?
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January 24, 2024 8:34am
- artemisia
  
  I expect New Zealand will be watching Norway closely. We have a huge EEZ, some valuable resources are known. Taranaki iron sands mining application has had a chequered legal history with court cases brought by groups including local iwi. The latest decision is under appeal by the company.
  
  Chatham Rise seabed has known phosphate nodules – low cadmium and low leachate fertiliser unlike currently used – and tests indicate probably quantities of high value minerals as a byproduct. Iwi have said OK, probably in exchange for a free carry.
  
  Shane Jones has a view on mining. We shall see ….
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:35am
- Paulus
  
  Did I not read that Norway is back into Oil again ?
  
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  January 24, 2024 10:07am
  - David Garrett
    
    Paulus: Norway has been “in oil” ever since they first discovered it in 1969, and their management of their resource is a text book example of how best to manage a finite resource. The UK on the other hand…
    
    I stand corrected. Dr Google tells me that there was a short moratorium on offshore explanation, but then a sane government got elected, and exploration of the Norwegian sector of the North and Barents Seas began again.
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:42am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep. Statoil being nationalised operator with a good record.
      Incidently they are working in Svallbaad.
      Not for the faint hearted.
      I have also worked in the Norwegian sector.
      
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      January 24, 2024 1:47pm
- miltonF
  
  I really wish people would wake up to who is really behind these “green” movements.
  
  Here’s a little hint. Capitalism drives down the cost of everything. Companies compete to provide the best price to the consumer. In theory, this means that profits can only go one way. Down. If you take capitalism to its final conclusion, there will be ZERO profit in anything.
  
  The way to ensure that you maintain profits is by eliminating/restricting free markets and competition. When Ardern made her captains call to ban oil and gas exploration, who REALLY benefitted? Oil and gas companies…by reducing the availability of the product and hence maintaining its price premium.
  
  I think the way this works is little counterintuitive and hard for people to wrap their heads around. It is similar to how the biggest proponents of banning drugs, are in fact, drug dealers. If recreational drugs were legal and available, there would be little profit in selling them.
  
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  January 24, 2024 4:32pm
KH

If they sacked a few of the woke resistance the rest would change their ways quickly. With them belief is one thing but income counts more
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January 24, 2024 8:37am
slightlyrighty

I see the Greens are getting their Hemp Knickers in a twist over the deployment of 6 NZDF personnel to the joint force addressing the Houthi issue as it relates to freedom of the seas for trade….

Clarks Labour government sent a frigate to the region 3 times, however under Ardern, our defence force is reduced in capability to such an extent that we are now unable to send a frigate, due to extreme personnel issues…
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January 24, 2024 8:38am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Labour are in unison with them saying the same thing
  
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  January 24, 2024 10:25am
- Master Mariner
  
  Its about time NZ supported Global Shipping and protection of supply chains.
  We can only freeload for a limited time.
  Note to Greens, Supply chains are Global and NZ will be effected the most.
  
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  January 24, 2024 1:51pm
I remember when

Just threw one of the large Gisborne cockroaches outside onto the lawn.
As I shut the glass door a thrush suddenly rushed across to capture it, narrowly beating a blackbird approaching from a different direction.
Obviously they are prized quarry.
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January 24, 2024 8:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps we should organise a petition to have this Ozzie invader renamed…
  
  https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/gisborne-cockroach/
  
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  January 24, 2024 10:02am
  - David Garrett
    
    Mags: Well, I have just learned something…the “Gisborne” cockroach apparently doesn’t spread disease…I had thought all varieties of cockroach did.
    
    No cockroaches up here in Tonga…from that link I assume that is because it is too hot for them up here.
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You’ve got mongomonga in Tonga
      
      Scott Hamilton even wrote something about them
      https://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2014/09/seven-tongan-words.html
      
      The American and an Ozzie Cockroach are present.
      
      Perhaps you keep a tidy, clean kitchen.
      
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      January 24, 2024 2:05pm
- Inandout
  
  Irw, a rather placid black creature that waits to be sprayed with insecticide, and around our home will venture out just before the weather turns to rain. These roaches used to come into the house through even slightly opened windows but since I have sprayed the base of the house with crawling insect long life insecticide the invasion has stopped.
  
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  January 24, 2024 10:38am
  - The Boss
    
    Which insecticide do you use?
    
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    January 24, 2024 12:24pm
    - Inandout
      
      Black Flag or Mortein surface spray.
      
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      January 24, 2024 1:07pm
    - Countrygirl
      
      Bay leaves work very well in many situations.
      
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      January 24, 2024 1:07pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Spray the external perimeter of the house at ground level and around all opens like air vents with Ripcord.
      
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      January 24, 2024 8:32pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Spraying outside is ok but if you spray them inside, they are likely to lose bowel control but keep running around. Not an ideal outcome. In Malaysia I used to scoop them up in a container and drown them.
    
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    January 24, 2024 1:25pm
All_on_Red

‘Hamas Leader Abroad Khaled Mashal: “We reject the Two-State solution; October 7 has shown that liberating Palestine from the River to the Sea Is realistic and has already begun”
“I believe that the dream and the hope for Palestine from the River to the Sea and from the north to the south has been renewed. This has also become a slogan chanted in the U.S. and in Western capital cities, by the American and Western public,” he said.
“The Palestinian consensus—or almost a consensus—is that we will not give up on our right to Palestinian in its entirety, from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea and from Rosh Hanikra to Eilat or the Gulf of Aqaba,” he continued.’
Jan 22

Sounds like a call for Genocide to me

Video of him saying it in the link
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/01/22/hamas-leader-were-reject-a-two-state-solution-we-demand-it-all-n606592
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January 24, 2024 8:53am
- Che Guava
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  The thing is, the Israelis say exactly the same thing but with regard to Israeli rule.
  
  Moreover, the elephant in the room is that Israel is committing an actual genocide as we speak in Gaza, they aren’t just talking about, which is what the Palestinians (on your argument at least) are doing.
  
  Normally, the party actually doing the immoral act is generally seen as much worse than the party allegedly talking about it.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:06am
  - David Garrett
    
    And what exactly were the Israelis supposed to do when 1400 odd of their citizens were brutally murdered?
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:21am
    - Che Guava
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      I guess the answer to that question is invade Gaza and kill around 20 times that number of Gazans.
      
      Besides that fact, we are discussing how a single phrase can be purported to mean one thing when used by Party A and without any actual evidence informing their intention, while at the same time, Party B uses the same phrase but purports it to mean something else, despite there being actual evidence as to Party B’s intent.
      
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      January 24, 2024 9:58am
      - G152
        
        and just maybe the Palistinians might finally get the message.
        Dont F—- with Israel
        
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        January 24, 2024 12:20pm
      - Che Guava
        
        “Dont F—- with Israel”?
        
        Don’t make me laugh: if the US stopped materially supporting Israel, providing almost all of Israel’s military hardware and guaranteeing its security, Israel would have been finished years ago. This is precisely the reason why the Israel lobby in the US and controlling public opinion is so crucial to the Jews.
        
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        January 24, 2024 8:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You really know eff all.
        Israels tech underpins much of the US MilTech industry.
        The US NEEDS Israel and that will never change.
        If the US stopped its support Israel would either do it themselves or arrange others to do so-which they would gladly do- The Sauds spring to mind
        Your Jew hating blinds you to logic
        Hey, how is Gloriavale going?
        lol
        
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        January 24, 2024 10:31pm
    - Paulus
      
      The difference is that the Israelis value life itself, whereas as taught by the schools (Madrassas) and their teaching they are happy to give their lives for a few virgins.
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:11am
      - David Garrett
        
        Paulus: it is more than “they are happy to give their lives for a few virgins”
        
        The Koran says that there are only TWO certain ways for a Muslim to gain entry to Paradise: 1) to be killed while fighting jihad – which basically means killing infidels; and 2) to be killed while at worship.
        
        This explains the seemingly inexplicable – that Muslim mothers are not only not upset but rather delighted when their kids blow themselves up, along with a few infidels. In their minds their kids have just gained entry to Paradise…what mother wouldn’t want that?
        
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        January 24, 2024 11:04am
      - NothingLeft
        
        A common misconception. It’s seventy two raisins not virgins. Jihadis have a sweet tooth.
        
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        January 24, 2024 11:34am
      - Master Mariner
        
        @David,
        I was watching a program about a female prison for palestinian woman arrested for using themselves and / or children for suicide bombings etc.
        Quite Harrowing in their interviews.
        How do you deal with a religous mindset such as that ?
        More than often iniated by Husbands, Uncles etc more for the money and prestige that a successfull bombing initiates.
        
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        January 24, 2024 2:16pm
    - Drone
      
      Possibly reflect on the actions of their leaders and the IDF force over the previous years. It’s a bit like climate change, humanity pours millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere and suddenly we find ourselves in a situation that requires some action. We start to ban fossil fuels and move towards EVs.
      Like Israel if only we’d anticipated what the outcome would be of our actions.
      
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      January 24, 2024 11:25am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The Likud Party said it in 1977…
    Israel has offered a two State solution multiple times since then
    There are also no non combatants in the war zone above the Northern Line.
    They have all moved South
    Clearly you have no idea how the war is being fought.
    Also we see Hezbollah targetting civilians with ATGMs deliberately in North Israel. Thats a war crime
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:32am
    - All_on_Red
      
      To add, someone on here predicted that Israel would do what the Romans would do.
      Turn Gaza into a wasteland and call it peace.
      Looking above the Northern Line that is exactly what it is. A completely devastated wasteland.
      No one is living there.
      Apart from Hamas when they pop out of tunnels and they aren’t lasting that long!
      
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      January 24, 2024 9:42am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘In 1977, the concept appeared in an election manifesto of the Israeli political party Likud, which stated that “between the sea and the Jordan there will be only Israeli sovereignty.”
      
      Note the quote says ‘sovereignty’ *not* only Jews living there and given Israel has 1.8 million non Jews living there and given Hamas’s view of wanting the genocide of all Jews then its specious to equate the two as being the same
      
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      January 24, 2024 9:58am
      - Master Mariner
        
        The question in my mind is , Was Hamas indirectly supported / enabled by Israel ?
        There is strong evidence to support this.
        If true? The obvious question then remains is How aware were they about Oct 7 attack ?
        The Egyptians warned them that an attack was inevitable.
        Being 50 year anniversary of yhe Yom Kippur war, I would of thought brought heightened level of preparedness ?
        Was this a red flag event gone horribly wrong ?
        The silence about some serious concerns is deafening amongst all the emotional reporting in which there is No moral high ground.
        
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        January 24, 2024 2:28pm
      - Grunter
        
        Sorry Master – I accidently hit ‘Report’ – I was trying to Reply….
        
        I agree with what you are saying above, enough evidence to suggest this was a set up that went horribly wrong. Israel were warned is irrefutable. So what else went on?
        
        We will never know the full story. But Netanyahu is clearly not a nice human.
        
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        January 24, 2024 4:03pm
  - Matt Long
    
    There no evidence the Israelis are attacking Gaza, it’s just made up videos the Jews are using to mask their true plans for world domination.
    Show the true evidence the IDF are in Gaza, all we have is videos that are clearly made up by people that aren’t trustworthy because they’re all part of the plot.
    ( This is sarcasm for those who see things only literally. )
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:32am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Notice all the injured you see, the dead bodies under a sheet, thee is never any sign of blood.
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:27am
      - G152
        
        Saw one get picked up in the middle by one bearer.
        Didnt bend..
        And all those white funerary wrappings that are clean
        
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        January 24, 2024 12:23pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Once again the word ‘genocide’ is being used in an incorrect way. You cannot seriously be stating that Israel is trying to wipe out the Arabs? That is just arrant nonsense. There are approx 464.68 million Arabs.
    ‘Palestine’ has never existed as a state, and the people you clearly seem to think are a ‘race’ (because you used the word ‘genocide’) of ‘Palestinians’ are ethnic Arabs.
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:45am
  - Paulus
    
    Did I not read that Norway is back into Oil again ?
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:08am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Never kill the Goose that lays the Golden egg.
      
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      January 24, 2024 2:39pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    DO you have your stock phrases in a spreadsheet and just cut and paste them? Israel is fighting a war not committing genocide. You can say it for ever but it is not true
    
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    January 24, 2024 3:10pm
- Grunter
  
  Genocide vs Genocide. Escalation it is then.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:51am
All_on_Red

Why isn’t Russia in Kiev yet?
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January 24, 2024 8:55am
- Che Guava
  
  Was being in Kiev ever a war aim? I always understood it was a limited deployment restricted to taking control of the ethnic Russian areas and preventing US missiles under the auspices of NATO being stationed in Eastern Ukraine.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:09am
  - Greenheart
    
    If Kiev was never the aim why was one of the first actions by Russia an air and ground assault from Belarus towards Kiev?
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:23am
    - Jake Dee
      
      The move on Kiev in the early stages of the war was a decapitation strike. Not to hold the territory but to remove the government. Force a capitulation of the rest of the Ukrainian armed forces.
      It didn’t work but it wasn’t a bad plan. Now they’re onto plan B. It doesn’t look like NATO has a plan B after the failure of the summer offensive. Mobilizing all of Europe and American on to a war economy is a fantasy.
      
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      January 24, 2024 1:00pm
  - Matt Long
    
    I would say the initial objective was a swift defeat of the Ukrainian army, with minimal losses on both sides, and a Russian puppet government government in Kiev again, with pro western politicians Putined.
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:27am
  - herb1
    
    “As I understood it” explains a lot about your rhetoric Che
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:30am
    - Che Guava
      
      Equally, “as I understand it” night follows day, but the sequence of day and night is a fact regardless of my understanding it or not.
      
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      January 24, 2024 10:00am
      - wairarapapaul
        
        Not day follows night? Everyone can have a different view of much the same thing.
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:23am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Nice rewrite. Their main strike was targeted to roll to Keiv and failed. But you keep pushing the Russians are only protecting ethnic Russians meme. Putin is in Ukraine as 1 a distraction form home troubles 2/ targeting the petro-carbons in Ukraine and its territorial wars.
    
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    January 24, 2024 3:13pm
- Grunter
  
  A good question, if the Russkies wanted to they could have nuked Kiev by now. But they haven’t. And they have limited ability to take it out with traditional (non-nuclear) warfare at the moment. Over time, who knows…..maybe they will just carry on with hypersonic bombing from afar. Maybe the Ukrainians will at some stage say I’ve had enough?
  
  So, same reasons as to why NATO hasn’t taken out Moscow yet. They could nuke it (the final war), or they leave it alone. They can’t conquer so why bother?
  
  And, same reasons as to why Russia isn’t a realistic threat to the rest of Europe (apart from nukes). They could attack but not conquer, so why bother?
  
  Let’s hope it stays that way.
  
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  January 24, 2024 12:05pm
- NoFax
  
  The usual course of for a government is that they listen only to an ever-decreasing circle of advisers and fellow-travelers. This ultimately leaves them out of touch with the majority of the population. In a democracy, as we saw last October, these governments are voted out and process resets. In a dictatorship like Russia, there is never a reset. The system adapts to ensure only their ever-increasing delusions are presented to them. In fact, careers are dependent on ensuring that Putin only hears that his ever “play” is wonderful. In fact, the system is so good at filtering reality that even some outside of the system start to believe the delusions. This is evident by some of the commentators here.
  
  So, Putin based his decision to illegally invade a sovereign country without justification based on his fantasies. He puts out his fantasies and the system he had established, gives back his fantasy to him as though it is reality. Putin fantasies of a reimagined Russian Empire and he is defending the Russian civilization from Western degeneracy. He fantasies that the natural affairs of the world is that Russia is at the center of a large empire with other countries orbiting the great civilization. So, he puts out the propaganda that Ukraine had a coup, and the popular pro-Russian government was replaced by an unpopular pro-Western government. Therefore, when Russia sent in the troops the vast majority of Ukrainians would welcome them as liberators and throw flowers at their feet proclaiming their love for Mother Russia and their rightful place as part of a reimagined Russian Empire. This was a lie.
  
  The Russian army is nowhere as strong as he fantasied. Decades of corruption, mismanagement, and simple lies about capability has meant that it is struggling to defeat a united Ukraine armed modestly with Western equipment. Unfortunately, the war will drag on until Putin pulls the troops and goes home. Even if he maintains control of the Eastern part of Ukraine, the greater strategy of keeping Ukraine in the Russian sphere is over – any peace deal will include Ukraine in the EU and NATO. However, I am sure this will be “revealed” to be part of the plan all along by the pro-Putin commentators and some whataboutism for good measure.
  
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  January 24, 2024 3:22pm
Surely Knott

“ SkyCity, Dio $2.7m fraudster Tessa Grant busted for drink driving after work do”

Where’s the empathy. Did media even ask about this woman’s mental health? Why the difference in approach?
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January 24, 2024 8:56am
- Kiwiguy
  
  I know, right? Where’s the support from the left?
  Stealing.
  Drink-driving.
  She’s clearly one of them!
  The left should be all over her and wrapping their arms around her and publishing gushing sympathy articles about her.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:57am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Name the incompetent accountants who set up the pathetic accounting systems that she was able to sail through so easily.
  
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  January 24, 2024 11:18am
Maggie Pie

iPredict…..

There will be a major development in the hunt for ‘Marokopa Man’
within the next 10 days.
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January 24, 2024 9:01am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Am I being unfair when I suggest the police have been worse than useless in their quest to find this Marokopa guy and his kids? How hard is it to flush out four people, three of them kids?
  
  Thick bush, sure but they wont be living on black berries and Kiekie leaves. I understand that it is a private detective who has made the actual progress.
  
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  January 24, 2024 10:02am
  - Ghost
    
    Very hard if they don’t want to be found and are off the grid.
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:05am
  - Kiwiguy
    
    It’s an interesting case, I’ve been discussing it with family who live in the Waikato.
    That region of the country is littered with caves. Some of them are huge, easily big enough to live in comfortably. At least one of them opens up into a massive cathedral-like space.
    In short, it’s very easy to hide if you know the area.
    And extremely difficult to find someone who doesn’t want to be found.
    
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    January 24, 2024 11:12am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      The guy is being supported by others, so he may well have his feet up on a couch somewhere watching Shortland Street and crunching macaroons rather than living in a cave.
      
      But in that sense, the Police should have a list of names and should be looking like they would with any fugitive. When he was linked into some thefts in the Waikato last year, and even spotted shopping, the comment was made that others are assisting him. Surely is the case, as I don’t believe he is doing a Bear Grylls in the bush with his children. Would be quite a story is he really was, but Nah. Macaroons, I tells ya.
      
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      January 24, 2024 12:28pm
      - Kiwiguy
        
        Yes, I believe he’s being supported too.
        
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        January 24, 2024 2:11pm
Pope Punctilious II

OK folks, you can all stop fretting about climate change. Because indigenous knowledge has the answers, or so The Spinoff would have us believe. Not a lot of specifics at this stage, but pushing for specifics would probably be racist, so I won’t dare.
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January 24, 2024 9:03am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  I was in a science museum near a nuclear power station in Taiwan in December, and I was seeing sections on particle physics, electromagnetism etc. and lots of short bios/pics of almost exclusively old dead white men who contributed to such science.
  I had to note that there was no section on ‘Maori science’, which presumably would be in demand outside of NZ if we only promoted it a little better.
  
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  January 24, 2024 12:32pm
- Dave
  
  I found myself wondering how she travelled around the country – by canoe or by walking; where the technology and materials for the rubber gumboots, the steel blade on the shovel, the spectacles, the fibre in the clothes, as shown in the photos and used by many of her 5m fellow citizens, and indeed, the technology which enabled me to read her story, all came from. Doubtless, all will be revealed in a follow-up article.
  
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  January 24, 2024 2:29pm
Matt Long

This stupidity is spreading right across the world, emanating from UN and Climate Change agendas, then tricking down through Governments and Higher Education till you reach the council officers determined to get cars off roads and halt economic activity.
https://road.cc/content/news/council-leader-defends-plan-build-five-new-cycle-lanes-306329
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January 24, 2024 9:06am
- MCōs
  
  Hard to comment when the article refers to some obscure administrative district near Glasgow no one’s ever heard of
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:41am
  - Matt Long
    
    At the northern end of Whangarei, once commonly known as Kamo the council is spending millions on a new cycleway right next door to a severely degraded SH1.
    The point is the cancer is everywhere that is buying in to the UN and Climate change agendas, right down to obscure locations in Northern Europe.
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:36am
Skippytony

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/01/fisheries-minister-shane-jones-labels-iwi-members-sub-cultural-truants-for-threatening-annual-fishing-competition.html

Lets hope the adults in the room head this off. Failing that, the police had better put a stop to it or do we now live in a country where one group gets to decide where another group gets to go about their legal business?
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January 24, 2024 9:25am
Southern Raider

Will be interesting with the fishing contest at Doubtless Bay being threatened by local Māori radicals

This is Nationals time to shine or sink. Either Police are there in large numbers and arrest these punks or National shows they are all word soup.

This is why we need treaty principles. Some nutters who need a job can just pick and choose what they want to disrupt in the name of the treaty
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January 24, 2024 9:31am
- k1w1
  
  The cops had better. Fishermen are usually pretty hard and no-nonsense. They also tend to carry many sharp and dangerous objects. This could be something of a tinderbox if they are prevented from accessing ramps. You also have the issue of parking and leaving your car and boat trailer. Any agro and there’ll be cases of vehicles deliberately damaged, I bet. Taipa ramp crosses Maori land, I believe (or at least land in question) but Mangonui does not. It’s at the end of a legal road.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:58am
- Ghost
  
  It’s one man. The iwi don’t support him. Don’t give him any attention.
  
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  January 24, 2024 10:08am
  - k1w1
    
    Except some of the FB comments I’m reading support this ‘one man’ 100%. I wouldn’t be so quick to assume it’s nothing to care about.
    
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    January 24, 2024 12:27pm
    - Southern Raider
      
      Agree. It’s like Mayor Rudi’s broken window philosophy
      
      If the Govt, Council and Police let this idiot and his radical mates even close on ramp or vandalise a boat trailer then it just reinforces other radicals around the country to try similar stuff
      
      He may not be supported by his Hapū officially, but will be members in the Hapū and lots of other racists eg Maori Party supporters who endorse this illegal action and will promote more of it
      
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      January 24, 2024 12:52pm
- Terry Dalee
  
  What a very kiwi way to start a civil war… At a fishing competition in the Far North….
  
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  January 24, 2024 2:31pm
BeaB

My advice to Luxon and National:
Realise that however you try to suck up to and ingratiate yourself with Labour, the Greens, the woke and the media, they will always hate you.
Use fewer words. Use brief, succinct answers. You decide which questions to answer and when to stop answering them. Just terminate the press conference when you want to. The media will jump on your every word so restrict your words.
Don’t hand out any plums to the Left – no sinecures for anyone.
Appoint a couple of attack dogs to keep reminding everyone how incompetent the last government was, how much money they wasted and how little they delivered.
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January 24, 2024 9:32am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Too right. Remember Todd Muller trying to appease an Islamist accuser by hiding his MAGA hat? As if she was ever going to vote for you, Todd!
  
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  January 24, 2024 12:36pm
Maggie Pie

It’s no wonder why some people are starting to dislike Maoris so much…

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1749652651174678662
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January 24, 2024 9:34am
- Damocles11
  
  In this case the local Iwi have said the activist doesn’t have their support.
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:38am
- MCōs
  
  If you read the article you’d quickly realize it’s a beat up, not only by this newspaper, but by TV1 news last night
  Both outlets quote Wikatana Popata who is acting on his own and doesn’t have the backing of anyone
  
  I wonder if this was the same Wikatana Popata
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-who-assaulted-schoolboy-witnesses-to-be-re-sentenced/ZQABB4WC3PYGXMBK76P57N3ZXU/
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:56am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    He is. That said all the other Maori who stay silent become complicit by their silence.
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:00am
- imalwaysright
  
  How will the Luxon led government implement policies when the public service, especially the chief executives, are aligned with labour, greens and maori party?
  
  Does he think that these people will execute his detailed plans and instructions to the best of their ability?
  
  Or will they share the information with the opposition and the media and undermine the government.
  
  Luxon has to decapitate the current public service if he wants to run the country.
  
  Otherwise the public service will run him.
  
  Does he not understand what the last six years were about?
  
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  January 24, 2024 9:59am
  - Paulus
    
    Most of the Senior Public Servants and their Senior underlings were appointed within the State Services Organisation, orientated towards the left feminist anyway, under the instructions of the Ardern Government.
    What we will see will be to the left, to the incorrect detriment of these people which will not be seen for a short while as they settle what they, will do and not what their Ministers require.
    Have heard that within Education they at 4,000 staff will do what they want ad not the Minster.
    I wonder what the breakdown between so called sexes is ?
    I have a good guess.
    
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    January 24, 2024 10:30am
- graham
  
  The Popata brothers are, by all accounts, rather unpleasant and antagonistic low-lifes.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/brothers-sentenced-for-assaulting-john-key/SV72X7RV4E46CTU5HP5GMGASSI/
  
  https://www.nzcpr.com/maori-occupation-of-taipa-an-insiders-view/
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-who-assaulted-schoolboy-witnesses-to-be-re-sentenced/ZQABB4WC3PYGXMBK76P57N3ZXU/
  
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  January 24, 2024 10:41am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  It is the same guy who put his hands on John Key at Waitangi (shameful the close protection squad did not pistol whip him between the eyes immediately!).
  Also been done for beating up witnesses to a robbery, so the guy really is a piece of human garbage and should be actively denounced by the tribe ‘officials’ as NOT representing them.
  
  Would be nice if the media connected the dots, so we could just what sort of a person this is.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-who-assaulted-schoolboy-witnesses-to-be-re-sentenced/ZQABB4WC3PYGXMBK76P57N3ZXU/
  
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  January 24, 2024 12:40pm
  - Inandout
    
    Fuzz, the DPS guys were probably told by Key to be tolerant. In the US/China/Russia if anyone lunged toward their President that person would be shot dead.
    
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    January 24, 2024 1:12pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      I agree, it was the kid gloves treatment.
      I am pretty sure it would not extend in the other direction, if a prominent Maori leader was assaulted on a marae they would be taken down.
      Yes -cameras in everyone’s faces as it happened and I remember feeling bad for Key and just bad in general as the awful Titewha Harawira who was escorting the manuhiri on was saying “stay calm John, stay calm” as Key smiled awkardly with his arm in a sling at the time to top it off.
      The neat twist is that the POS is a relation to the Harawira clan.
      Surely, since you can’t be sure a knife isn’t coming next, the super-soldiers around the PM could at least give a good squeeze of the attackers testicles from within the press of the crowd.
      The response was just so insulting and weak.
      In contrast, when I was at an event with Jacinda, there were multiple people with ear pieces and obvious bulges in the armpits of their suits, and plain clothes officers quickly dragged off anyone who even said “F–k you, Jacinda!”.
      
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      January 24, 2024 2:57pm
Damocles11

Luxon scored a major own goal by referring to the ‘Treaty referendum’ in these terms: “we think it’s divisive”. Way to take a Leftist buzz word and then use it yourself to describe an aspect of your own coalitions policy platform.

A glossary of a few key terms for Luxon and WM and any other Nat who wants to deploy Leftist buzzwords. Unless you are using one of these words as per its correct definition – see below – don’t use them:

‘Divisive’ = the separatist / co-governance agenda.

‘Stokes division’ = Te Pati Maori, the Green Party, the Labour Party, the mainstream media.

‘Racist’ = Any race-based system of governance that gives special rights and privileges to people based on their ethnicity. This includes race-based electorates.

‘Hate’ = Manifested in the words and countenances of the likes of Debbie Packer, Rawiri Waititi, John Tamihere, Marama Davidson.
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January 24, 2024 9:36am
- Grunter
  
  I agree – the Nats have played this so badly.
  
  This is a simple, but critical debate. As a country we either have a free and liberal democracy where all races have equal rights and responsibilities, or we continue down our existing path of further entrenching Māori Separatism/Apartheid.
  
  Why is Luxon so scared of saying that? I’m gobsmacked that so many don’t want to say “I don’t want Māori Apartheid in New Zealand”. Call it what it is and let’s vote!
  
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  January 24, 2024 10:41am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Luxon clearly doesn’t know what he is talking about.
    
    The division isn’t between maori and everyone else.
    
    The division is between activists, misappropriating public money, and the public, who think it is wrong.
    
    The public have been labeled racist by the activists and the media, this is where the illusion of this being a racial division comes from.
    
    You can’t audit a maori activist!
    That’s racist!
    
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    January 24, 2024 11:38am
  - Damocles11
    
    I think there are many ‘corporatised’ New Zealanders who have been conditioned not to speak up, not to question, not to put ‘it all on the line’ for their own personal principles. They are corrupted slowly and bit by bit, to the point where they are a key component if the corporate machinery themselves, and moreover have a lifestyle dependent on maintaining the high income they receive as a consequence. They know what happens to people who don’t ‘toe the line’. So I think Seymour is going to be out there on his own, copping the insults and all the slings & arrows of the Left. Only if sufficiently courageous leaders emerge, or if the ‘corporatised New Zealanders’ feel their personal income and assets are becoming impacted by what is happening, will he cease being a lone voice. I guess the contempt from the ‘corporatised New Zealanders’ towards Seymour comes from them thinking he must be mad or eccentric to speak up and cop the wrath of powerful entities, it’s just so different from what their lived experience is. And remember – quite a few of them do very, very well out of the Treaty gravy train, particularly those from the legal community.
    
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    January 24, 2024 11:44am
Burtland

Seems the piped gas network in the North Island will enter a “death spiral” as gas becomes unaffordable under CarbonZero – 300,000 homes will be affected. Whats worse, this is just 7% of the gas consumed

The report that identified this was hidden by MBIE and was only accessed by OIA
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/507393/possible-death-spiral-for-piped-gas-network-when-prices-rise-report-warns
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January 24, 2024 9:42am
- NothingLeft
  
  NZ needs an LNG import terminal to be built ASAP. Australia has huge amounts of the stuff
  
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  January 24, 2024 11:21am
  - kevn
    
    Nothing… Marsden Point?
    
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    January 24, 2024 11:40am
    - Colville
      
      wouldnt New Plymouth make more sense?
      
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      January 24, 2024 1:01pm
- rouppe
  
  Almost 300,000 homes use gas from fossil fuel fields for heating, hot water or cooktops. Only some regions receive gas by pipes, while others rely on gas bottles.
  
  In NZ, piped gas is methane, but bottled gas is as far as I know LPG. Two different products, and not interchangeable.
  
  Or is bottled CNG more common than I think?
  
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  January 24, 2024 4:33pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJA5OCqGQHs
Shane Jones on the Tūrangawaewae Hui & Treaty Legislation.
Sean Plunket speaks to Regional Development Minister Shane Jones about the Tūrangawaewae hui and Treaty legislation. [A good take on the non doey hui.]
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January 24, 2024 9:55am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvBVNYQ1C-s
$100B Failure—China’s Belt and Road is Dead.
Forest City in Johor, Malaysia, which was built by China’s Country Garden as part of China’s Belt and Road initiative, was supposed to be this iconic smart green city that would be a model for sustainable development. But 10 years after it broke ground, it’s become a green disaster. In this episode of China Uncensored, we look at how it came about, what went wrong, and why it’s future remains uncertain.
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January 24, 2024 9:55am
cmm

The USA and UK have their plates more than full trying to sort out the Houthis.

But the Houthis will be crapping themselves now that NZDF is sending a team of 6 to the area to secure the shipping lanes. Yeah, right!

These 6 staff will apparently “be involved in precision targeting and would not be going into Yemen.”

I wonder how a team of 6 from a different military can really help.

In general a team of 6 would include:
* One senior command officer. Main job is to go to meetings and hob-nob – not actually do the work.
* One senior NCO (a warrant officer) to do all the administrative stuff like organising places to sleep, sort out logistics etc etc.
* Four actual people to do the work (likely middling/junior officers and NCOs).

So that really puts 4 pairs of boots on the ground.

It is difficult to see how 4 people trained to operate in a different military are going to interact usefully.

If they were forward observers (ie. special forces people inserted into Yemen to help call air strikes), then a small team could be useful. However that has been ruled out.

To me, this looks like they will be acting mostly in an observer/training capacity rather than calling the shots. Also a bit of chest thumping for an NZ audience.

If someone has insights or a contrary view I am very interested to learn.
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January 24, 2024 9:58am
- Blog-aholic
  
  It also acts as a training exercise and these people will be volunteers looking very much at advancing the miltary careers and in the military this is how you get promoted.
  
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  January 24, 2024 10:02am
- Grunter
  
  Judith Collins comment sums things up when asked why only 6?
  
  We currently have a deployment in the UK training Ukrainian troops. Now with the Yemen situation we are stretched so we can not send anymore.
  
  (Hopefully we have a few available to help Luxon negotiate his way out of Waitangi on Feb 6th!!)
  
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  January 24, 2024 10:47am
  - cmm
    
    Do we actually have personnel in UK involved with Ukraine training?
    The defence www says that 66 personnel were sent to UK for training but that ended in July or so.
    
    There are apparently up to 95 deployed in logistics for Ukraine, but that is tail-end (ie. outside of Ukraine) and not operational. Likely they are just doing stores and driving trucks from UK to the Ukraine border countries.
    
    66 or 95 is a body of soldiers that can actually accomplish something.
    
    The 6 in Red Sea don’t show up on the defence www yet. They are supposed to be operational, but deploying 6 does not achieve much past being there to wave the flag and observe.
    
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    January 24, 2024 12:11pm
    - Grunter
      
      Collins probably got the details a bit wrong. But the point she made still applies – we only had 6 spares, and now we have none.
      
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      January 24, 2024 2:11pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    She should have said that’s all that’s required.
    
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    January 24, 2024 1:37pm
- MCōs
  
  The number of personnel is neither here nor there.
  The fact we are involved and taking sides is what counts
  
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  January 24, 2024 11:40am
  - cmm
    
    Oh please, spare me the “it’s the thought that counts” BS. We had enough of that from Cindy.
    
    If you can’t do anything useful, then don’t go get under everyone’s feet.
    
    That said, it can be useful to attend in some observer style roles for learning purposes. 6 could do that.
    
    But they won’t be actually doing anything and the claims that NZ is out there protecting sea lanes is hyperbole.
    
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    January 24, 2024 12:15pm
    - MCōs
      
      NZ sends military to any of these conflicts to show we were supporting a particular side. The British Empire or more lately America or the UN
      Even in WWII when about 100k went off to fight it represented about 1/80,000 of the Allied forces
      
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      January 24, 2024 3:47pm
      - Matt Long
        
        8 billion on the Allied side MCōs? It’s no wonder the allies won then.
        
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        January 24, 2024 4:35pm
      - cmm
        
        Just a couple of extra zeros between friends.
        
        NZ was about 1/800 of the WW2 Allied strength (100k out of 80M).
        
        The 100K NZ troops were deployed as battalions that could actually function as an entire unit. ie. could be given a theatre of operation and completely do the job.
        
        Now? The UK is putting around 36k soldiers on the ground. Plus 2 aircraft carriers etc, so a total force of maybe 40k personnel. USA must have at least 10k personnel there. Add up all the others and probably 60k: NZ has 1/10,000 of that. Woop, woop.
        
        6 can’t even deliver tea for the the ops room.
        
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        January 24, 2024 5:06pm
      - Jethrod
        
        The Houthis have been reported as saying ” OH hell….. New Zealand is now involved and is sending a contingent of 6, so we better quit while the going is good!”
        
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        January 24, 2024 5:15pm
      - MCōs
        
        You’re right, of course
        
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        January 24, 2024 5:53pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Probably better to think of this from the perspective of the percentage of Commonwealth and Empire. The Brits, Aus, Canada, South Africa and India, especially those deployed on operations. Then it would be 100 k out say 5 million. Around 2%, which was pretty impressive given the population of New Zealand. In Bomber Command more like 5%.
        
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        January 24, 2024 5:55pm
- greybeard
  
  You obviously have very strong views on international relations, and that is a good thing. Maybe if more New Zealanders held such strong principles then the country would be in a far better condition than at present.
  However, do you not think it important for us to show some sort of solidarity and support for our natural allies and friends?
  New Zealand has historic, economic and cultural ties with the USA, the UK, Canada, Australia which go back over 200 years.
  We are their friends, for God’s sake, and they are ours.
  Despite what may people believe we are not part of Asia, we are inextricably tied to European history and culture and beliefs.
  And we have a duty to help out whenever, wherever and however we can, no matter how modestly. Even if there are only 6 New Zealanders going.
  You can’t expect to live down here in the bottom of the South Pacific and just ignore the rest of the world and not contribute.
  Anyway, that is how I see it.
  
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  January 24, 2024 2:54pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    I think you are starting to get to the heart of some sentimental feelings about foreign policy that many New Zealander have and that could lead us into making some very serious mistakes in the near future.
    The world changes and we must change with it.
    Queen Victoria is a long time dead. Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak are not the Duke of Wellington and Lord Melbourne. Trump and Biden are not Roosevelt and Eisenhower.
    To be sure, New Zealand is not in Asia, which makes it very difficult to explain why we get involved in Asian adventures (Vietnam 1964 – 72, Afghanistan 2001-2021 and Iraq 2003 & 2015) at the behest of European and American powers.
    The chances of New Zealanders allowing ourselves to be drawn into another war in East Asia is very real, and our distance from the front lines will not stop very serious consequences from reaching our home front.
    
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    January 24, 2024 3:28pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      It’s not about sentimental feelings, it’s about pulling our weight. Why should other countries always be the only ones to maintain global rules?
      
      We rely on shipping lanes and trade routes predominantly more than many other countries.
      
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      January 24, 2024 8:37pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        It’s not a bad line of reasoning, but also by that line of reasoning New Zealand should be spending more time and effort in protecting its maritime trade with Asia and less with Europe and America,
        Look at the numbers.
        If we allow our foreign and defense policies to be dictated by Washington, the more likely we are to be caught in yet another of Washingtons crazy adventures
        
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        January 25, 2024 12:58am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Might be a good start for NZ to be able to defend ITSELF!
      
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      January 24, 2024 9:19pm
      - Ghost
        
        NZ will be fine. If ever attacked the gangs will man the road barriers keeping the enemy out………
        
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        January 24, 2024 9:36pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        Agreed.
        Without any of your own chips on the table, you just aren’t a player.
        It’s time for Wellington to buy some chips.
        
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        January 25, 2024 1:02am
  - cmm
    
    Yes, certainly, NZ has historic friends/allies and should be able to play a role.
    
    But sending 6 people because that’s all we can muster shows weakness, not strength.
    
    I expect the individual servicemen/women will act professionally and do their best, but nobody is going to be saying “here come the Kiwis” like they did in WW2.
    
    All “allied” forces are a bit stretched. Even the Americans. They are having to pull USS Gerald Ford out of the Med. They are struggling to serve in multiple theatres simultaneously.
    
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    January 24, 2024 5:13pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Its the perception that we are assisting the Global community.
  It was actually reported in newspapers in Israel.
  And too be honest NZ has been freeloading way too long and must start to be getting a bit thin.
  Maybe they are going on ships as defence contractors ? Not sure otherwise.
  
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  January 24, 2024 2:55pm
- BananaLlama
  
  6 NZDF personal may not seem like alot but a squad drone operators, well, i wouldn’t want to be the Houthis.
  
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  January 24, 2024 3:11pm
Maggie Pie

It’s a woman’s absolute right to be able to defend herself.

Uptick if you believe ‘Concealed-Carry’ should be legal for approved licenced firearm owners.

https://twitter.com/LibertyCappy/status/1749268613792444838
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January 24, 2024 10:36am
- Don Beckett
  
  Looks like she should have worn a heat proof bra. 😆
  
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  January 24, 2024 11:39am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  It would be nice, but being that self defence has to be proportionate you could only use it, even if it was in your hands, against a deadly threat like another firearm presenting immediate threat or someone literally in the act of trying to take your head off with a machete.
  And unlike the USA, where the cops won’t even book you for an obvious defence of life even where death is caused, I am sure NZ Police will charge a person in any case and ‘let the courts decide’.
  Even the process would be its own punishment.
  Police have for years been unable to do a proper job on many fronts, but they sure don’t want anyone else stepping up to the plate!
  
  But yes, if I ever was in a situation where there was a firearm I would hope to have a firearm too. Since mine are all locked away as a responsible owner, it would have to be someone on my own property and I have justification to use them, and it would be quite a race to: get hidden key, go to safe, unlock, take out, get key for ammo compartment, take out ammo, load firearm.
  (as Dave Chapelle puts it “Clack Clack! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGySUlRozFM )
  One reason why I have a cutlass or cavalry sabres on the wall at home. Option A and Option B.
  
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  January 24, 2024 12:52pm
- NoFax
  
  As I stated before we don’t really have the right of self-defence in NZ. Unless a person has the means then the right doesn’t have much force. I believe everyone should be able to carry a firearm – concealed or not – in order to defend him or herself and property. Unfortunately, that isn’t going to happen anytime soon.
  
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  January 24, 2024 4:32pm
Ghost

35 degrees a few days ago, snow on the hills today.
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January 24, 2024 11:33am
- MCōs
  
  I see it’s a sweltering 17° in Wellington
  Shirts off!
  
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  January 24, 2024 11:47am
Ruahine

35 degrees a few days ago, snow on the hills today.

It must be Climate Change.
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January 24, 2024 11:39am
Grunter

A decent read on Germany exiting EU (DEXIT). If this ever happened then the EU is finished.

https://news.uk.cityam.com/story/2105467/content.html

As an aside, CityAM have a few decent articles for a UK and European perspective. Some are clearly woke, but enough to pick and choose from. All free access.
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January 24, 2024 11:40am
- cmm
  
  Germany is the anchour and financial foundation of the EU.
  
  In many ways EU was Germany’s “Fourth Reich” , but just using economics and diplomacy rather than tanks.
  
  If Germany walks away (ie. to secure its borders and financial future), then Europe is going to change massively: regional financial instability, greater nationalism and, quite likely, more civil wars etc.
  
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  January 24, 2024 12:20pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    I think EU was more of a french project to protect their inefficient economy through various protectionist rules and regulations and give them greater power on world stage.
    
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    January 24, 2024 1:12pm
    - kowtow
      
      A Fr project to control German industry and therefore western Europe.
      
      Didn’t work out that way as the Tuetons are hardworking whereas the French……..well not so much.
      
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      January 24, 2024 1:32pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        An important part of integrating the French and German economies was to make it impossible for one to rearm against the other. After 3 wars in 70 years, each worse than the last, that was very important. the 1951 coal and steel treaty was kind of a work of genius.
        I’ve suggested similar ideas for the Israeli Palestinian conflict on this blog before and gotten shouted down. Far too much religious lunacy. But if two sovereign states won’t work then it will either have to be one integrated state or permanent war.
        
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        January 24, 2024 1:55pm
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    “Fourth Reich” is an odd way to describe paying for the rest of Europe to live beyond its means and giving them the power to make laws for your country.
    
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    January 24, 2024 2:59pm
- Cassandra
  
  The EU will certainly decline. Eventually the Germans will get tired of supporting the feckless. I’m not sure they’ll leave however – more likely just let it wither.
  
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  January 24, 2024 1:14pm
- All_on_Red
  
  The EU is finished anyway.
  France is going to become the dominant economic power in Europe.
  Poland probably the most militarily equiped.
  
  Look to Ireland leaving the EU eventually as the people will eventually throw out the current very EU centric govt because of the immigrants.
  Unless they are out of the EU then they cant stop the immigration so….
  Since the EU is in economic decline then Ireland is probably better to hang on to the UKs coat tails which are firmly fixed to the US’s
  
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  January 24, 2024 4:13pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Ireland’s economy has been based on EU subsidies, I can’t see them leaving the EU and forging closer ties with the UK.
    
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    January 24, 2024 4:29pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yep, huge subsidies
      But the Voters wont care.
      Look at Scotland. They get, literally BILLIONS of support from England but they still vote for independence.
      In Ireland the ever increasing backlash against censorship and punishment for free speech combined with an anti immigrant stance will mean the voters will eventually sack the Govt unless there is a change of course.
      The Govt doesnt look like its going to be doing that…
      
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      January 24, 2024 5:54pm
Damocles11

Luxon has to traipse to ‘Ratana’ to hear more rantings and ravings about ‘Te Tiriti’ from a religious cult + whoever else turns up there with an axe to grind.
Why?
Why does he *have* to do this?
Luxon is supposed to be running our country on behalf of over 5 million New Zealand. Instead he *has to* go to ‘Ratana’ to receive an earbashing from representatives of a sect of about 48,000 people. ‘Ratana’ means absolutely nothing to 99% of the people of this country, yet this farce must play out, the ‘special ones’ must be indulged, Luxon must be brow beaten and berated so that OneEwes can have its breathless lead story. The media are loving this: ‘the rabbit threw itself into the trap, willingly’. I can hear it now: “Maoridom told Luxon they were angry at his government, and demanded he change course”. Cue footage of an angry elder giving Luxon both barrels verbally while shaking a carved wooden stick.
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January 24, 2024 12:12pm
- Yabster
  
  and lots of overweight bare asses on dismay..
  
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  January 24, 2024 12:55pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Yep looking at that mob of wide barcoded native we would really be in trouble if voting is ever done by the kilo. Understandable they argue for equality of outcome rather than equality of access to health care. That said it was it was amazing when sharing a hospital room with two Maori patents just how many support people kept showing up. Must pay well it seems.
    
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    January 24, 2024 9:25pm
- Inandout
  
  Dam, January is the period of a political ‘phoney war’ whereby the nation is starved for real news. Even radio hosts are still reclined in the sun waiting for the 30th and legislation to begin. I find streaming news far more entertaining than local dross.
  
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  January 24, 2024 1:23pm
cmm

An interesting and thought provoking case where a corrections officer is being charged with assault for pepper spraying a prisoner.

So many things to unpack…

The first thing that pops out to me is that NZ prisons are not being run with enough discipline.

The prisoner calls the corrections officer “brother”.

Bullshit. There needs to be an extremely clear distinction between the inmates and the staff. There should be deference at all times. No “bro” or first name terms. It should be “boss” or “sir” or whatever.

Breaching this convention should be an infraction with possible punishment (like failing to address an officer correctly in the military).

When it comes to obeying prison rules (eg. not taking towels into your cell) then officers need the tools to be able to compel compliance. The prisoners should be under no illusion that they have wiggle room to negotiate or bend the rules.

A warning, followed with a pepper spray for non-compliance seems reasonable to me.

If the prisoners get a taste of charging corrections staff, then we can only expect to see them being more emboldened and the tenuous grip over prisoners to become weaker.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350153898/inmate-backs-away-being-pepper-sprayed-cctv-shows
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January 24, 2024 12:42pm
Ghost

Oh I don’t know about the title of this photo

Māori King Tūheitia Paki and his wife Makau Ariki Te Atawhai listening to speeches

Article

I think I’d call it Māori King falls asleep listening to Chris Hipkins
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January 24, 2024 12:51pm
- cmm
  
  Hipkins: “We didn’t get everything right”.
  Understatement of the week.
  
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  January 24, 2024 1:06pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    He meant “anything”.
    
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    January 24, 2024 1:25pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Very good, and mostly accurate.
      
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      January 24, 2024 4:25pm
- Damocles11
  
  The Herald just can’t help itself….
  
  ‘Prime Minister Christopher Luxon began his speech in Te reo Māori after receiving subsidised language lessons from taxpayers.’
  
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  January 24, 2024 4:14pm
Master Mariner

Antarctica hottest on record ?
Well apparently not.
https://www.aaadts.com/
The usual suspect of falsifying records knows no bounds.
As previously posted, I follow the actual satelite imagery in a time lapse mode.
There is a good one on youtube for both Arctic and Antarctic.
But hey, Never let the facts get in the way of a good narative.
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January 24, 2024 1:12pm
Maggie Pie

X TRENDING….

1 Corinthians 6:9

“AN ABOMINATION”

https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1749872881624908207
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January 24, 2024 1:37pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Poor kid. Every child deserves a mum and a dad. Notwithstanding anecdotal outliers, there is no substitute for a biological mum and dad raising their offspring to maturity.
  
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  January 24, 2024 2:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And lets never forget this case kk…..
    
    https://mol.im/a/11706777
    
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    January 24, 2024 3:26pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    I think the crazy thing is what is that man doing posing in the hospital bed like he’s just given birth? This picture is full of play acting or as the kids today say “LARPing”
    
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    January 24, 2024 3:33pm
    - Keith White
      
      If he is really realistically LARPing… then we should see video of xe’s episiotomy being sutured*. Because, realism.
      
      *Warning: do not Google this if you don’t already know what to expect. Just sayin’.
      
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      January 25, 2024 3:58pm
Chris Nisbet

CBD park closed off because of “concerning comments”??
What does that even mean? Was somebody misgendered? Did David Seymour say he wants everybody treated equally again? Did somebody say that fossil fuels have been fantastic for humanity?
I hope that police only evacuate parts of the city because of actual threats to life and not just “concerning comments”.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/01/police-officers-block-roads-around-auckland-university-of-technology.html
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January 24, 2024 2:00pm
- krazykiwi
  
  lol. Very good.
  
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  January 24, 2024 2:09pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  As my partner just txt….Half the CBD is at a standstill. Albert Park has always been full of half-wits and homeless derelicts.
  
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  January 24, 2024 2:20pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    And that’s just the students
    
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    January 24, 2024 11:27pm
  - Keith White
    
    Albert Park, or the Beehive? Or both…
    
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    January 25, 2024 4:00pm
- MCōs
  
  There was a lot more information about the chap in an earlier article in the Herald including his name and his previous criminal record
  https://x.com/publicaddress/status/1749977960889860520?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
  
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  January 24, 2024 4:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! What did I tell you?
    
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    January 24, 2024 4:25pm
krazykiwi

Annualised CPI out for Dec-23. Key figures: –
1. All groups 4.7%
2. Property Rates 9.6%
3. Groceries 6.7%
4. Whisky -0.5%

(there’s always a silver lining somewhere …)
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January 24, 2024 2:07pm
Maggie Pie

It’s enuff to make you BARF….

https://theadvocate.com.au/story/8496076/ardern-to-continue-as-new-zealand-terror-envoy/

Jacinda Ardern was expected to leave the role after the election of a right-leaning government late last year however, Prime Minister Chris Luxon has asker her to extend her term. “We caught up in Auckland, just the two of us. I asked her to carry on and she was happy to do so”, he said.

Wonder what Winston and David think?
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January 24, 2024 2:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Nauseating. How much of my money is still going to this odious little Marxist country wrecker?
  
  Oh, and if someone finds Luxon’s spine please send it back. He’s clearly lost it and hasn’t realised.
  
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  January 24, 2024 2:14pm
  - Terry Dalee
    
    He never had a spine.
    National were always only able to pause the decline of NZ. They lack the vision or the integrity to do what is actually needed to turn the country around.
    
    I look forward to invading NZ with the Australians when the place degrades into a 3rd world nation…
    
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    January 24, 2024 2:43pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Lots of people on X saying…. “Luxon has sold us out” 🙁
    
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    January 24, 2024 3:06pm
    - Grunter
      
      My only surprise is that “Lots of people….” are surprised by this dick move by Luxon.
      
      Luxon not having a good week
      
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      January 24, 2024 3:26pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    They surgically remove it when you register as a National candidate.
    
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    January 24, 2024 3:06pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I think that basically Luxon is simply ignorant of the extent at which Ardern and her fellow travellers like Trudeau want to exercise censorship.
    He just doesnt know.
    
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    January 24, 2024 4:08pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      LOL at ‘fellow travellers’.
      
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      January 24, 2024 4:26pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Gosh you [Uncalled for – deleted. mod.] get quite touchy huh
        https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/xj00dp/ardern_hitches_a_ride_with_trudeau_to_nyc/
        Poor Mikey
        
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        January 24, 2024 5:59pm
      - MCōs
        
        Fellow travelers
        That’s real commie-speak
        
        Where did you learn that sort of talk?
        
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        January 24, 2024 6:00pm
  - JeffW
    
    Sorry, meant to be uptick
    
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    January 24, 2024 6:26pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, a fly on the wall may have heard thus..’did anyone find out about our saline jabs because we are done if it is made public?’ Or maybe the fly heard ‘Jacinda as an ex Chamber mate of mine, and you being a Dame, I will let you do whatever rocks your boat’.
  
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  January 24, 2024 2:32pm
- Grunter
  
  OK all you Nats supporters, defend these scary comments from Luxon….
  
  “I wanted to understand the Christchurch Call on the work that it has undertaken … there’s been some good work done with respect to algorithms with tech companies.”
  
  Mr Luxon said his government would look to take the Call “to the next level” and in the meantime, Ms Ardern would stay.
  
  Wow – so not only endorsement of the control freak Ardern, but promises to “take it to the next level”
  
  Never trust this man. He might be all smiles and cliques (who does that remind you of??) – but he is clearly wanting to exert speech control. I wonder what else he has planned???
  
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  January 24, 2024 2:34pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Really pleased I didn’t vote for Luxon, not withstanding some great individual MPs, the fact National elevated this guy to leader means they’re in the mode of the UK Conservatives. Progressives who will keep the country spiralling down.
    
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    January 24, 2024 3:29pm
    - Albie
      
      Me too. I knew he was a woke bastard, and the 30 sec clip I saw on te news tonight of him publicly scuttling ACT’s bill confirms everything I suspected of him and National’s current leadership.
      
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      January 24, 2024 6:45pm
- Jethrod
  
  So is she the envoy for terror?
  
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  January 24, 2024 5:55pm
Chuck Bird

I see the governments’ position on the conflict is a two state solution. Does anyone think that makes sense while Hamas still has hostages?
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January 24, 2024 2:42pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Great. Let’s get the geo-political genius who suggested this to lay out their masterplan for Jerusalem.
  
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  January 24, 2024 3:00pm
  - MCōs
    
    Some sort of two state solution has been proposed for a long time now
    It hasn’t just popped up in the last few months and it appears Israel isn’t interested and Palestine is dancing round the issue
    In the past borders have been imposed by third parties and that’s obviously failed
    The key as always is America’s support for Israel
    
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    January 24, 2024 6:20pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Israel has offered it multiple times over many years so isn’t ‘dancing round (sic) the issue’
      The Gazans and Fatah have rejected it every time
      And have done so again.
      Do try to keep up
      
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      January 24, 2024 6:29pm
    - Keith White
      
      Comment: “Dancing around the issue”
      
      Reality: “Firing rockets from UNWRA-run schools and hospitals.”
      
      Oh.
      
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      January 25, 2024 5:52pm
- Grunter
  
  Putting any moral arguments/views aside, and looking at this from a reality perspective…. IMO
  
  The potential for there ever being a 2-State solution ended on Oct 7th. And Hamas knew that, it’s the main reason they did what they did and sent videos across the globe showing how disgusting they are.
  
  There is no longer a ‘solution’ to this mess, only more carnage and death on both sides and the wider region. It’s an evil unwinnable war that illustrates how bad humans on both sides can be.
  
  As a country, Israel is now buggered. Their degree of retaliation to Oct 7th has no strategic end game. It also means there is no 2-State solution option, and their idiot leader (Netanyahu) has been against this well before Oct 7th.
  
  Chuck – so a clear “No” from me. A 2-State solution is gone for good.
  
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  January 24, 2024 3:16pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I dont think Israel cares there is no two state solution.
    As for being buggered, thats nonsense as there is no army which can take Israel from them
    Also they are building their alliances with other Arab states.
    Egypt and Jordan are basically allies and they are very close to Saudi Arabia.
    Did you know that Israeli technicians took up the slack when the US and UK started reducing support for the Sauds Air forces and other mil tech?
    I think Oman and UAE are close too.
    So Israel is not going away and all of the above are united against Iran…
    I doubt that regional conflict is going to expand more than it is now. (Although look to Israel pushing Hezbollah back beyond the river where they agreed to with the UN but broke that agreement immediately- Israel will create a buffer zone. Good fucking job)
    Iran might make a lot of drones but there Air Force and Navy is shite. They cant project power any more than they do now.
    
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    January 24, 2024 4:04pm
- Terry Dalee
  
  Is that two state solution regarding New Zealand or Israel?
  
  I would have guessed that the government is pursuing a two state solution for NZ….
  
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  January 24, 2024 11:10pm
Biscuit

Never call Chippie slow, eh?

It’s taken him this long to work out that the reason Labour didn’t win the October 23 Election was that ‘we didn’t bring along non-Māori.’

Quite apart from the fact that ‘we’ is just a cop-out when, really, he should have used ‘I’, exactly what part of Māori did everyone’s favourite sausage roll eater bring with him.

Didn’t his mob so bring along Māori with him that his party now hold just 1 of the 7 Māori seats?
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January 24, 2024 2:58pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Labour won 6 of 7 Māori electorates in 2020. That was completely reversed in 2023 when Te Pāti Māori won 6 of 7.
  
  Poor Chippie. So vacuous. So confused. So hopeless.
  
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  January 24, 2024 3:07pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  What on earth gave him the impression that we wanted to be taken down that route in the first place?
  Talk like that makes me want to spit.
  
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  January 24, 2024 4:26pm
- jon
  
  Some of us remember too, ministers Robertson and McAnulty telling Kiwis , on the back of Cogovernance, we needed to get use to a new form of democracy in this country. Outrageous!
  
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  January 24, 2024 5:46pm
Chuck Bird

It looks like Haley is behind but not by much.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=new+hampshire+primary
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January 24, 2024 3:14pm
- Grunter
  
  Most already declaring Trump the winner by about 10% pts.
  
  The Leftards will now go into Mach 3 Meltdown phase!
  
  Time to get in some more popcorn…..!
  
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  January 24, 2024 3:20pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I see Trumpy used his victory speech for another false claim that he won the 2020 election. And only 10 points ahead of Haley? Weak!
    
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    January 24, 2024 4:43pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Gosh you are ignorant.
      NH is an open Primary.
      Lots of Democrats voted for Haley
      
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      January 24, 2024 6:10pm
      - RichardX
        
        Registered Democrats could not vote for Haley.
        
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        January 24, 2024 7:15pm
      - marcw
        
        CNN reported from their exit poll that 70% of Haley’s voters were unregistered.
        
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        January 24, 2024 8:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ignorant fools
        ‘Democrats are also allowed to switch to undeclared and participate in the Republican primary, but the deadline to do so was Oct. 6.’
        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-new-hampshire-primary-first-in-the-nation/
        
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        January 24, 2024 10:34pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      NewHampshire has a weird system with majority of primary voters registered as “Undeclared” but in reality actually partisan and taking advantage of system than allows them to fuck with their opponents if they want to, meaning that they can vote in republican or democratic primaries if they want to try and screw over the party they don’t like and revert to ‘undeclared’ immediately afterwards.
      
      As of Dec. 28, there were 343,192 voters registered as undeclared, with 262,262 registered Democrats and 267,905 registered Republicans.
      
      So in this primary exit polls suggest there were about as many Undeclared (a large fraction of which will be crypto-Democrats) as Republican registered voters voting. Democrats aren’t having primaries this year, and TDS is massive, so are likely even more inclined than usual to see Democrats gaming the system to try and screw Trump.
      
      And still Trump managed to take it by 12 points.
      
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      January 24, 2024 7:27pm
Fisiani2

Haggis pakora is the menu for Burns day tomorrow
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January 24, 2024 3:44pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  A cross-cultural repast.
  
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  January 24, 2024 4:30pm
Maggie Pie

As my partner just said….No word on what this retard has cost the city.
You can bet it will run into millions!
But who gives a fvck….After the last 6 years it’s a free-range-asylum.

https://twitter.com/NZPoliceMedia/status/1749985921511145797
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January 24, 2024 4:02pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I think this is just another example of over-reach.
  Somebody must get a copy of Aesop’s wonderful fable named “The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf”, and give it to the police.
  One day we are going to have an extremely dangerous situation and Joe Public will think it is just another story about a lame lunatic.
  
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  January 24, 2024 4:39pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Just because it was resolved peacefully doesn’t mean there was no potential danger.
    
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    January 24, 2024 4:44pm
    - cmm
      
      Just because it was resolved peacefully does not mean it was resolved well.
      
      If you play too nice and cuddly with people like this then they just repeat their actions and others are encouraged to try it out too.
      
      The whole thing could have been resolved with tasers and pepper spray in 5 minutes.
      
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      January 24, 2024 7:28pm
- Keith White
  
  Idiots do as idiots do. Regardless of their police ranking.
  
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  January 25, 2024 5:54pm
Maggie Pie

WTF is up with HDPA?

Yesterday, she was highly critical of people who watch MAFS.
Now she comes out this arvo and says…. Margo Robbie didn’t actually deserve an Oscar for playing ‘BARBIE’. The movie ‘sucks’ apperantly.

Something very stange has happened to her over the holidays if you ask me 🙁
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January 24, 2024 4:53pm
- Albie
  
  Agree Maggie. I thought she was going a bit nutty before Christmas, but listening to her off and on over the last two days confirmed something is going on there. Didn’t even bother to tune in tonight. Much the same with te news on TV. Sitting in the formal lounge, 20m away from the tv while my partner subjects herself to the nightly BS propaganda.
  
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  January 24, 2024 6:33pm
- greybeard
  
  Motherhood.
  Oestrogen.
  Just go with the flow.
  
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  January 24, 2024 6:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Very late today, I went to the beach for a change.
Christopher and Nicola need to take the friendship rings off. This is a real thing, not a game!

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/national-are-capitulating/
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January 24, 2024 5:36pm
cmm

Now they are scared of misgendering a penguin.

““Our runway sensors were reading 50 degrees, so it is no wonder they were not particularly happy.”

Why is it “they”. It is an it!

Given the location of Wellington airport, I am surprised they haven’t had more penguins in the past. Many penguins, including blue penguins often go a bit inland for nesting etc.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350156692/flightless-little-blue-penguinkorora-found-waddling-wellington-airport-runway
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January 24, 2024 7:33pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m pretty sure the penguin knows what it is without the Stuff typist having to affirm its pronouns. In fact, if the penguin knew what the kiddie doing the typing was on about, it would probably think humans are a lost cause.
  
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  January 25, 2024 1:08am
- peterwn
  
  In the old days ‘it’ was the gender neutral pronoun when referring to small animals, birds, etc. But it would seem to have been too ‘inaminate’ to be used to refer to humans or large animals.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:12pm
Ghost

*scratches head*

Wtf kind of political survey did I just do

https://ibb.co/Gkmkq6d
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- Keith White
  
  If you’re not paying to do it – you’re the product they’re selling.
  
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