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Yvette

Co-governance and all that stuff

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon –

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“I look at that issue and I go ‘well co-governance historically – or co-management in previous National Party governments – has been really around local iwi working with local government and central government on the management of local and natural resources. But what we’re now talking about is co-governance happening within the sphere of public services.
“If it is genuinely about co-governance of the delivery of public services, that’s something that I feel uncomfortable with.”
National’s view of the Māori Health Authority, for instance, was it would not lead to better outcomes, he said.
“We personally believe that we don’t need two systems to deliver public services, we need a single system that ultimately has enough innovation and components in it that can deliver and target for people on the basis of need. It’s a pretty simple sort of view of the world.
He said it was a “challenging” topic, and the prime minister and government needed to make the case to the public if it was going to push ahead.
“I think there is a real need for us to have a genuine, high-quality conversation around co-governance … when you don’t take the people with you, and you don’t frame up what it’s about, as a result you leave people behind and it drives more division.”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/464214/luxon-backs-co-governance-debate-shies-from-referendum

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A National Government will scrap Labour’s undemocratic and unworkable Three Waters model and replace it with a sustainable system that ensures drinking water, stormwater and wastewater remain in local control, National Leader Christopher Luxon says.

“While water quality regulator Taumata Arowai will set strict standards for water quality, National will establish a Water Infrastructure Regulator within the Commerce Commission to set and enforce standards for long-term water infrastructure investment.
https://www.national.org.nz/national_will_scrap_three_waters_and_deliver_local_water_well

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Māori own the water because this country was settled by consent, not conquest, under the Treaty of Waitangi.
Article 1 gave the Crown custodianship, not ownership.
Article 2, for the avoidance of all doubt, retained, for Māori, absolute control of our waters, our land, and all domains.
Article 3 asserted the right that we would have equality of opportunity with white New Zealanders.
Those three undertakings by all New Zealand governments have been constantly breached.
– John Tamihere
https://e-tangata.co.nz/comment-and-analysis/who-owns-the-water/

Perhaps the test of Luxon and the National Coalition’s intent will be measured by whether or not they retain the present Maori Advisory Council (chaired by Tipa Mahuta) which presides over Taumata Arowai, the Water Regulator, and whether they remove Mana o te Wai Statements (for exclusive Maori use) in the context of delivering public services.

Is John Tamihere using the same Treaty as Christopher Luxon?
That really seems to be about all David Seymour is asking
Or are neither using …the Treaty as it was actually signed, not the divisive version invented by judges and academics https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-treaty-principles-debate-takes-off
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January 21, 2024 8:04am
- tavita
  
  The Maori version does not include the three articles.
  
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  January 21, 2024 10:16am
- NK
  
  This “take the people with you” philosophy is nothing but an idealistic pipe dream. Surely Luxon doesn’t think that radical Maori activists and their mob, that are stirring up racial division and hatred, can be convinced after a few hui and some cups of tea and scones? They will never agree. Their goal is decolonisation – they want to extinguish us Europeans from Aotearoa and get “their” land back. Compromise is not on their agenda, and neither should it be considered by Luxon and his ministers.
  
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  January 21, 2024 11:57am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Media friends rally around disgraced Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau.

Looks to me like she’s swapped one addiction (booze) for another (gym).

Watch for upcoming redemption pieces on disgraced former Green MP Golhriz Gharahman.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2024/01/wellington-mayor-tory-whanau-embracing-gym-after-admitting-alcohol-problem.html
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January 21, 2024 8:11am
- nathie
  
  “Media friends rally around disgraced Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau.”
  
  Could it be diversion for the following?
  
  Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau disputes a claim from Local Government Minister Simeon Brown that the council didn’t meet Wellington Water’s deadline for information on time.
  
  Minister Simeon Brown told 1News he was “incredibly disappointed” in Wellington and Upper Hutt councils for failing to provide information on how they were dealing with water leakage and shortage issues in the capital.
  
  “I expect those councils to provide that information to demonstrate what they’re doing to fix this problem,” he said.
  
  “This is a serious issue for Wellington with the prospect of a water emergency being declared.”
  
  But Wellington mayor Tory Whanau said there had been a “misunderstanding.”
  
  “It was our understanding to provide a specific set of information to the chair, we did that, clearly that wasn’t up to the Minister’s expectations,” said Mayor Whanau.
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/20/tory-whanau-disputes-claim-deadline-for-water-information-was-missed/
  
  Looks like Mayor Whanau is actually on the back foot because Newstalk ZB reported yesterday that she had to work on Saturday (yesterday) to provide a full and proper response to the Minister in order to rectify the “misunderstanding”.
  
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  January 21, 2024 10:00am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Tory really sucks
    
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    January 21, 2024 10:55am
    - NK
      
      Yeah, she has blown her chance as mayor.
      
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      January 21, 2024 11:58am
      - All_on_Red
        
        She is probably finding things hard to swallow at the moment
        
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        January 21, 2024 12:22pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  The only redemption story I want to see about Tory isw the one where she addresses the water issues.
  
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  January 21, 2024 12:35pm
  - beautox
    
    She was personally saving water by drinking alcohol..
    
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    January 21, 2024 1:03pm
Yvette

A small, rather minor point – someone speaking a the Hui but not being helpful?

Anglican Church archbishop Don Tamihere addressed the crowd as one of the opening speakers on Saturday morning.
“Jesus didn’t speak a word of English,” he began.
“Jesus never set foot in a church a single day of his life, but he was raised in the mātauranga (knowledge, wisdom) of his tīpuna and his ancestor prophets.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/01/thousands-stream-in-to-t-rangawaewae-marae-for-hui-iwi.html

16 And Jesus came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read. 17 And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. (Luke 4:16–17, ESVUK)
The Jews at the time, as well as today, understood that an important aspect of the Third Commandment—remember the Sabbath to keep it holy (Ex 20:8–11)—included worshipping God in synagogue. This is because this is the perfect way to set apart God’s holy day of rest from the rest of the week, and is based on Israel’s congregational worship throughout the Old Testament (Deut 12:4–7; 1Chr 15:14–16; Ez 8:35; Neh 8:5–8). Since Jesus, a devout Jew, came not to do away with the law of God, but fulfil it (Mat 5:17), he also upheld the Third Commandment by going to synagogue every week.
https://www.redemptionofhumanity.org/did-jesus-go-to-church/

Anglican Church archbishop Don Tamihere would seen to be correct in his first point – Jesus was Jewish and English was a little foreign, but Jesus did seem to go to church.
But the relevance of this to the Hui is not apparent
Every ethnicity has had “knowledge and wisdom” and ancestors (“the Rope of Mankind”) and prophets
Is this minor but exemplary of the misinformation that is accepted as Gospel
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January 21, 2024 8:24am
- 7kiwi11
  
  Well as English didn’t exist back then it would be kind of strange if he did speak it! He also didn’t speak Te Reo as Maori also didn’t exist.
  
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  January 21, 2024 10:59am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    But he would have had they sent him a written reo dictionary…
    
    Oh
    
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    January 21, 2024 6:59pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  2000 years ago, nobody spoke English!
  
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  January 21, 2024 12:36pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  A hui seems to be an opportunity for speakers to say what they like. Relevance to the topic of the hui is optional.
  
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  January 21, 2024 8:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Figured out the principles of ToW yet?

No worries, folks.

“There’s no principles, the treaty is written, that’s it.”

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/20/be-maori-kiingi-tuuheitia-gives-closing-speech-at-national-hui/

Well, that clarifies matters, then.
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January 21, 2024 8:28am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hmm, that’s a bit off-message!
  
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  January 21, 2024 8:31am
- CJames
  
  “Sometimes I think I should get Te Panekiretanga (group of fluent te reo Māori speakers) to translate the treaty into plain English so those in Wellington can understand,” he quipped.
  From what I understand, the king isn’t one of those fluent speakers, is he? Or has he been doing adult education courses?
  
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  January 21, 2024 8:32am
  - cmm
    
    The absurdity of this is unbelievable.
    
    Many, if not most, of the concepts in the treaty were unknown to Maori before the treaty was negotiated and written.
    
    Using the Maori version is as insane as translating the bible from English back into Hebrew etc to make sure the Hebrew version is correct.
    
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    January 21, 2024 9:22am
    - Matt Long
      
      Apparently under international law the treaty in the language of the weaker party is taken as correct. One had only to tweak the meaning of the language that has only oral scholarship until the time of the Treaty, (That is meanings were imprecise.) and voila, Maaori never gave up sovereignty.
      
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      January 21, 2024 9:51am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Matt,
        
        Good points .
        It is difficult to define what has been agreed to if the meaning of the words of the agreement are open to arbitrary interpretation.
        
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        January 21, 2024 11:08am
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        Not quite. I’m not a lawyer however my understanding is that the legal principle is contra proferentem.
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra_proferentem
        
        However this historically was used for commercial contracts. In recent years the usual suspects both in NZ (Waitangi Tribunal) & internationally (UN) have attempted to conflate its application to political treaties.
        
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        January 21, 2024 11:51am
      - Justitia
        
        No, in interpreting the intent of an agreement where points of difference may arise between the parties, the travaux preparatoires (preparatory works) need also to be considered. This includes in the case of the Waitangi treaty any document in English that may be relevant, and in particular that which formed the basis of Henry Williams’ translation into Maori. Some argue that the Littlewood text of 4 February 1840 which is in James Busby’s hand is the authentic English text. (Others say it is a back-translation.)
        
        For the British, the treaty had one over-arching purpose: to obtain by peaceful means the consent of Maori to the establishment of British sovereignty over these islands.
        
        For Maori, the treaty provided the protections of British law. Some also saw it as offering enhanced opportunities for trade.
        
        I think the so-called “principles” are a blind alley, which is probably the real reason why they were left undefined when they were first rather foolishly incorporated into legislation (thanks Geoffrey Palmer, yet again).
        
        The treaty is what it is: a relic of the early colonial period long ago superseded by self-government and universal suffrage. It is not our “founding document”. As a parliamentary democracy, our founding document is Magna Carta. The Waitangi treaty however offers nothing for the future except continuing antagonism between the majority of New Zealanders and the tribalist elites.
        
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        January 21, 2024 1:48pm
      - cmm
        
        How does society ever improve if we always have to throw away civilization and take on the trappings of the weaker cultures?
        
        Clearly Maori don’t agree. Close to zero % of Maori can speak the language on a functional level or are interested in learning.
        
        They wanted to become British subjects because they wanted some of the white man’s magic. They didn’t want their new British Bros to join them in the stone age.
        
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        January 21, 2024 1:56pm
    - cmm
      
      The whole point of the treaty in 1840 was to agree on how Maori would become British subjects.
      
      180+ years on this has gone through so many contortions that we’re now looking at making the British (ie. white New Zealanders) Maori subjects.
      
      That is what the Huntley king means by Maori ruling for all NZ. It is turning the Treaty completely upside down.
      
      That is also what is intended by 3 waters etc etc.
      
      The sad thing is that everyone loses. Maori don’t “win”.
      
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      January 21, 2024 11:46am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    I’m not sure we need an English version of the Treaty. We already have one.
    
    This bloke doesn’t sound the sharpest tool in the motu.
    
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    January 21, 2024 7:02pm
- Swifty
  
  I didn’t understand that.
  
  What does he mean there are no principles?
  
  The fact that people have created and expanded treaty ‘principles’ is one of the reasons we’re now in the crap we’re in.
  
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  January 21, 2024 8:34am
- Yvette
  
  Seven out of 20 Ministers are Māori, or 35%, and people think this is white supremacy – having three times as many Māori as their share of the adult population – David Farrar, Kiwiblog host
  
  Well, that clarifies that matter too, then
  
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  January 21, 2024 8:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No Principles? Tuuheitia may want to put that to Geoffrey Palmer, the idiot who wrote the first non defining Principles.
  
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  January 21, 2024 8:40am
  - Cassandra
    
    I have it on authority, from someone present, that it was a collective decision after a request by Koro Wetere, and an assurance from Palmer that including “not contrary to the principles of the ToW” would have no practical effect. Then Robin Cooke came along………………
    
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    January 21, 2024 8:49am
  - Positan
    
    Palmer should be dragged out of retirement, de-knighted and thrashed in public for the incalculable damage his smart-ass insistence on having the (by his own admission) meaningless term “Treaty principles” included in legislation.
    
    The term’s absolutely baseless and groundless implications were cause for exploiting the “full and final” 3rd Treaty settlement after two previous “full and final” settlements had already been made. The impact of Palmer’s self-promoting idiocy has been utterly disastrous – and that idiocy is now almost solely responsible for the enabling the absolute destruction of this country’s once-proudly-and-internationally-recognised state of race relations.
    
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    January 21, 2024 9:04am
    - tavita
      
      On the other hand the clauses requiring the principles could be seen as a Trojan horse. They were gleefully accepted by those with many and various interpretations of what the principles are. What we now need is Seymour’s bill to define the principle based on the actual treaty.
      
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      January 21, 2024 10:28am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Agreed, it’s a cop-out to blame a foolish LINO politician from the 80’s. National have had ample opportunity to redress the situation since then, holding the treasury benches from 1990 to 1999, and again from 2008 to 2017. Now the centre-right parties have another chance to set the country on a better course. But will they take that chance?
        
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        January 21, 2024 2:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There are none based on the Treaty (which Treaty do you mean? The original in Maori or the James Freeman one used by Palmer post 1975?)
        The sooner NZ wakes up and realises that we have been conned for 50 years the better.
        
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        January 21, 2024 5:18pm
  - nathie
    
    Isn’t free speech great? As we can discuss the “confusion” of the so-called Principles (seems even the Kiingi is confused?) as per the views of various commentators here in this thread!
    
    If only the Political and Activist Left would also engage (instead of trying to curtail discussion and calling people “white supremacists” to belittle them or shut them up etc), perhaps the we all could (as a nation) have an informed debate and move forward together, respecting and agreeing with the best parts of what both sides want (and identifying those other contentious parts to have ratification and further dialogue on).
    
    Damn the Labour Party, TPM, Greens and the MSM for failing to do their job objectively and instead gleefully or foolishly dividing us all!
    
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    January 21, 2024 11:26am
- rouppe
  
  I also saw (can’t find the link now) someone said one possibility was to “secede from the government”.
  
  So:
  1. In order to secede from the government one must have already ceded sovereignty.
  2. No principles of the treaty, just the 3 clear articles.
  
  Seems we’re all in agreement then /sarc
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sarc? Yes. But if Maori secede that means no more Gravy Train, no more payouts, no more WINZ for the lazy, no more State Houses.
    Never ending
    
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    January 21, 2024 10:11am
- Taieri
  
  “There’s no principles, the treaty is written, that’s it.”
  ———-
  
  The King has spoken.
  And there’s no higher authority than His Majesty, is there?…
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:17am
  - pdm
    
    Taieri asked this question:
    `And there’s no higher authority than His Majesty, is there?…’
    
    Only Tuku, Willie, Hone, John, Margaret, The two Maoiri Party leaders and a few itinerent others.
    
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    January 21, 2024 9:44am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You missed JT.
      
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      January 21, 2024 10:12am
    - Burtland
      
      Jenny Shipley fits in there somehow
      
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      January 21, 2024 4:20pm
- Rich Prick
  
  It’s as pointless as having “principles” of a sale and purchase agreement. They add nothing to the actual words of the agreement.
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:42am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yes rich,
    
    There are no principles in an agreement , only terms.
    
    Hence the date.
    Hence the terms being agreed to.
    Hence the signatures.
    
    The term principle is arbitrary and superfluous .
    
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    January 21, 2024 9:52am
    - Michael Sommerville
      
      Correct.
      
      The agreement is what is written in the document at the time.
      
      Palmer and his government enacted his “Principles” clause. In line with the principle that any government can not constrain the actions of any further government, these “principles” can be removed by the present government.
      
      Either you have the ToW with the three articles and they mean what they said – end of story – or you start messing with them as Palmer did and this can be overturned by any subsequent government. This is what the present government should be doing.
      
      New Zealand needs some clarity and that is what David Seymour is trying to achieve; Maori don’t because it stops their gravy train and their feeling of being hard done by forever.
      
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      January 21, 2024 10:54am
- backster
  
  Which part of the speech was the ‘Proclamation’?
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:43am
- herb1
  
  That statement will come back to haunt him and Maoridom.
  Government has been quick to write legislation or policy referencing the TOW principles as have Maori when things don’t go their way or they don’t get what they want.
  Now we know their are no treaty principles then ACTs job will be straight forward and uncontentious
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:46am
- nathie
  
  Isn’t free speech great? As we can discuss the “confusion” of the so-called Principles (seems even the Kiingi is confused?) and its historical repercussions as per the views of various commentators here in this thread!
  
  If only the Political and Activist Left would also engage (instead of trying to curtail discussion and calling people “white supremacists” to belittle them or shut them up etc), perhaps the we all could (as a nation) have an informed debate and move forward together, respecting and agreeing with the best parts of what both sides want (and identifying those other contentious parts to have ratification and further dialogue on).
  
  Damn the Labour Party, TPM, Greens and the pro-activist side of the MSM for failing to do their job objectively and instead are gleefully and/or disingenuously dividing us all as a people and as a nation.
  
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  January 21, 2024 11:29am
Inandout

Glenn Beck with quite frightening figures on the US economy. The man has done his homework.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKYaf2gVbnY&t=2s
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January 21, 2024 8:30am
- Grunter
  
  A good 10 min summary of key facts. The only way the numbers can come right is by a massive cut in Govt spending and tax increases. That is never going to happen.
  
  Plus they will now have to fund wars in Europe, the ME and maybe elsewhere (Taiwan?).
  
  So what is the end game? There is only one scenario left and it has happened repeatedly throughout history. The financial system crashes. There is literally no way out of it. Socialism always fails.
  
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  January 21, 2024 10:20am
- Tom Hunter
  
  As I said the other day, The Cloward–Piven strategy is winning in the USA
  
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  January 21, 2024 2:56pm
Swifty

Bloody shameful.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/wellington-water-woes-worsen-city-faces-severe-shortages-the-front-page/GH6ZNHPVAVARJBF5ZCHJQN4XSI/

You had one job……
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January 21, 2024 8:31am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Don’t worry too much, swifty, at least the Mayor has started going to the gym.
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:39am
- Inandout
  
  Swifty, mainly public servants voted for this council so you get what you wished for.
  
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  January 21, 2024 10:03am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Speaks volumes about the competency of Wellington public servants.
    
    Should move the govt elsewhere then!
    //sarc//
    
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    January 21, 2024 11:13am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Many students also voted. They’re not ratepayers.
    
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    January 21, 2024 11:54am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      If they have a roof over their heads in Wellington City then they’re ratepayers, directly or (most likely) indirectly.
      
      Might be a good idea if local body candidates reminded to them of that.
      
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      January 21, 2024 12:19pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    @Inandout @ 10:03AM
    
    […], mainly public servants voted for this council […].
    
    Oh, c’mon, Inny, that’s nonsense, and you know it.
    
    Of the nation’s 63,000 public servants, 28,000 work in the Wellington region. (See https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350119091/wellington-braces-massive-impact-public-service-cuts-loom#:~:text=Te%20Kawa%20Mataaho%20Public%20Service,live%20in%20the%20Wellington%20region). As you know, untold thousands of people (50,000?) commute into Wellington City from the Hutt Valley and Porirua every workday, including many who also commute from the Kāpiti Coast and Wairarapa.
    
    Let’s say 10,000 of those daily commuters are public servants. That means only up to 18,000 public servants actually live in Wellington City.
    
    Now, as we all know, the participation rate in Wellington City at the local elections in October 2022, was 43.28% (see https://www.electionz.com/LGE2022Returns/ELT47WG22_returns.htm) – let’s not concern ourselves with special votes and late enrolments. So, 43.28% of (say) 18,000 is 7,790.
    
    Okay, let’s also say that, being educated, politically aware people, 8,500 of the 18,000 public servants voted (47.22%). Across the six wards, a total of 70,289 first preference votes were cast, meaning about 12.10% at most were cast by public servants.
    
    Hopefully, this puts your ridiculous statement to rest for evermore.
    
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    January 21, 2024 1:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

RINO Nikki Haley will not be Trump’s Vice President runner.
IMO she is being pushed by the Democrats to run for POTUS but not VP. The Dems could not use her to try and control Trump when he is President.
Trump will be wise to this. Just imagine, a Democrat controlled Republican President!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nikki-haley-says-she-doesn-t-want-to-be-anybody-s-vice-president/ar-BB1gYbtp
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January 21, 2024 8:31am
- Cassandra
  
  She’s no RINO. She’s just not Trump.
  
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  January 21, 2024 8:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She is full blown RINO. The Democrats are financing her Election campaign.
    Google knows about this.
    
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    January 21, 2024 10:15am
Gravelroad

Did anyone else watch the hyped-up Black Clash last night between rugby and cricketers past and present?
The “alternative commentary team” kept raving about how exciting it all was but there was little to no crowd involvement in their presentation.
Turned it off in the end.
Listening to people in a commentary box talk amongst themselves for three hours got a bit tedious,
And the cricket wasn’t up to much either.
Wondering what the point of it was – apart from fundraising.
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January 21, 2024 8:35am
- pdm
  
  Gravel if it is T20 of any sort I don’t bother.
  
  Plus without Ian Smith and Jremy Coney the commentary these days is crap – too many I am’s (or I thought I was) in there now.
  
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  January 21, 2024 8:57am
- GazzaW
  
  What was the point of it?
  
  Largely a fully funded weekend away for the footy, cricket and media lads.
  
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  January 21, 2024 8:59am
- Morry45
  
  I actually thought it was good. Mainly for the sole reason being that everyone there was allowed and encouraged to have fun, predominantly by drinking heavily!
  
  Can’t you just imagine the Woke anti-fun brigade tut-tutting at the sight of it.
  
  NZ can be so boring, particularly at sports games.
  
  Great to see this before the Karen’s shut it down, like the Rugby 7s.
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:00am
- J-Dogg
  
  Cannot stand these idiots and their immature fart noise humor. Why there is no alternative commentary is beyond me.
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:18am
- Rusty
  
  Gravelroad
  
  The Black clash match is about entertainment not really the quality or result.
  
  Vittori and Mills could probably bowl the rugby boys out for less than 50 if they wanted to.
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:30am
  - CJames
    
    I wouldn’t be so sure. Most of those rugby players have low golf handicaps and many were quite skilled schoolboy cricketers.
    
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    January 21, 2024 11:58am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Don’t understand. What “crowd involvement in their presentation” did you want? For my money there was actually far too much interviewing with people whose only relevance on this occasion was that they’d turned up to watch and who didn’t, and shouldn’t be expected to, have anything particularly insightful or entertaining to say.
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:35am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  It’s no different from any TV cricket commentary these days Gravel. There are so many commentators, and they all have to have something to say. When you can bloody well SEE what has happened. I wish they would stfu 90% of the time.
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:46am
- Mummy
  
  It’s not a fundraiser. All involved including the players are paid.
  
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  January 21, 2024 10:03am
  - Gravelroad
    
    There was a slogfest at halftime at which KFC donated money for sixes etc to Surf Lifesaving clubs.
    
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    January 21, 2024 10:59am
Bridgenag

Ask Why 429 Moms Died
Covid Deaths in Pregnancy Rose 300 Percent During Delta. Blame The Toxic Combination of Covid Plus Vaccines.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rescue/p/ask-why-429-moms-died?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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January 21, 2024 8:36am
- mawm
  
  Maternal deaths also increased during H1N1 (Swine) flu pandemic. Pregnant women have a compromised immune system.
  
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  January 21, 2024 12:14pm
  - newview
    
    A good common sense reply. Let’s try to stay out of the rabbit holes.
    
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    January 21, 2024 2:54pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

O dear!

‘Freezing temperatures across central US have cut electric vehicles’ range and left drivers facing long waits at charging stations’.

In a world of global warming, this wasn’t supposed to happen.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/19/tesla-battery-dying-cold-weather-charging-winter
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January 21, 2024 8:39am
- Waipuk
  
  “global warming”. This is why they changed the name.
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:58am
- kowtow
  
  Sales falling off a cliff in the US where they are heavily subsidised by Creepy Joe , Kraut govt removing subsidies , our subsidies going too .
  I see our Te Media constantly hyping EV’s, esp Chinese ones ; I wonder how much state money goes into their production over there.
  
  Quote from WSJ editorial ;
  ” The evidence is building that this green industrial initiative is a bust.”
  
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  January 21, 2024 10:19am
Matt Long

Green and Labour Mayor’s don’t really feel the need to keep National Party Cabinet Ministers informed of their strategy for the water crisis they created.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/507139/minister-disappointed-councils-failed-to-provide-information-on-wellington-water-issues
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January 21, 2024 8:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  Think National and partners will just have to get accustomed to that.
  For Labour, TPM and the Greens “they are not us”.
  They will carry on as if there was no change of government at all.
  There is no one capable of making the Greens, in particular, do anything at all that doesn’t suit them.
  Just ask Mayor Whanau.
  
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  January 21, 2024 8:53am
  - Albie
    
    Speaking of Ms Whanau, anyone watch the puff piece on te news last night, all smiley faced at the gym after kicking the booze?
    Of course not one question from the reporter on what is she doing about the woeful state of her cities water infrastructure and homeless people ruining downtown Wgn and Lower Hutt CBD.
    
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    January 21, 2024 9:08am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Perhaps the two former Mayors Wellington- Andy Foster MP and Celia Wade-Brown MP could also be called to account?
      What is their take on the water situation?
      And what did they do during their terms of office to fix anything?
      
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      January 21, 2024 9:51am
    - Ghost
      
      I do feel sorry for her, she has taken over leadership of a council that has neglected their water infrastructure for decades, but it is her that will take the blame from most people for it. There is nothing that she can do that will appease the public, this work should have started decades ago and it’s going to take more than her term in council to fix
      
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      January 21, 2024 10:02am
      - Drone
        
        Ghost, a rather negative view this fine Sunday morning, Tory could be in at least for three full terms. More importantly, Andy Foster who sat on his a**e in the Wellington Council for 30 years collecting a salary and has now graduated to the big house to continue a**e sitting and salary collecting should explain his role in the Wellington water debacle. //sarc
        
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        January 21, 2024 10:32am
      - Aldousk
        
        ” . . .but it is her that will take the blame from most people for it.”
        
        ” . . .but it is she who will . . .”
        
        Maintain the standards. Get your pronouns right or someone might cancel you.
        
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        January 21, 2024 4:25pm
  - pdm
    
    I thought Guppy at Upper Hutt was an `on the job’ capable Mayor and that it was the fellow in Lower Hutt who was the nutjob.
    
    Biscuit you almost straddle the demarcation line between Upper Hutt and Lower Hutt – could you check things out with your local MP. Mr Chippy.
    
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    January 21, 2024 9:37am
- artemisia
  
  Mayor Whanau said on the telly news there was a miscommunication and they were now working on the request. ‘Miscommunication’ sounds better than incompetence.
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:02am
  - pdm
    
    arty – doesn’t incompetence lead to miscommunication?
    
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    January 21, 2024 9:48am
Matt Long

Leticia James apparently has form.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/andrew-cuomo-sues-letitia-james-sexual-harassment-investigation-documents
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January 21, 2024 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is going to get her arse sued so bad by Trump.
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:27am
  - mawm
    
    I hope so. There seems to be no pathway for punishment of corrupt/criminal Attorneys General in the US DOJ.
    
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    January 21, 2024 12:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What a way to celebrate your 105th birthday?
Notice the price? US$22.99 for 1.75L. Here it is NZ$65 for 700mm
Similar to Jack Daniels in Alaska.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/ohio-centenarian-marks-105-years-with-a-fiery-celebration/?
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January 21, 2024 8:49am
- kowtow
  
  Wall Street Journal article about Russkie’s egg shortage and how expensive they are there and what a shock it is to people who’re now forming Soviet era style queues for the basic food item.
  
  A single egg for .13 cents US .( 12 roubles)
  
  Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s half and even a quarter of the price we’re being gouged for here .
  
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  January 21, 2024 10:11am
  - Taieri
    
    Wall Street Journal article about Russkie’s egg shortage
    ———–
    
    Was there a similar article in WSJ about NZ egg shortage?
    
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    January 21, 2024 10:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Indeed… but you’ve got to be in quick if you want a doz eggs from the Warehouse for $5.00.
    
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    January 21, 2024 10:50am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , it’s a good trick to get the punters in the door .
      And free advertising from te media too!
      
      But so far I haven’t seen any reports of Eco/vegan loon types trying to stop anyone getting in …….I suspect many Warehouse “clients” wouldn’t be put off their bargains by a bunch of soap dodging , upper middle class,virtue signalling do gooders.
      
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      January 21, 2024 11:12am
  - Ghost
    
    Find a place that sells seconds, much cheaper. We get 30 eggs for $12
    
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    January 21, 2024 10:56am
Chuck Bird

Very impressive PM.

“Italian Prime Minister Georgia Meloni Defends Decision To Close The Country”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0UHQW0v7LE
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January 21, 2024 9:01am
- Ruahine
  
  That clip is more of a hit job on her.
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:24am
Tauhei Notts

I see where a Chinaman was disqualified from the Xiamen Marathon on 7th January. He finished 574th (3 hours 33 minutes) out of 1500 competitors.
The Chinese set three rules for the event.
Competitors must not;
(a) Trample on flower beds.
(b) Defecate on the track.
(c) Chain smoke throughout the race.
His offence was chain smoking.
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January 21, 2024 9:04am
- Graeme Hall
  
  Then gives up smoking & wins Olympic Gold. Extra 25% oxygen intake. Secret Chinese training regime.
  
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  January 21, 2024 1:51pm
- Terry Dalee
  
  Chinaman?
  How very 1880 of you….
  
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  January 22, 2024 1:18am
kiwikidsnz

Katherine Birbalsingh was born in NZ

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/19/in-defence-of-katharine-birbalsingh/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Birbalsingh
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January 21, 2024 9:23am
kiwikidsnz

“In truth, the elites are terrified of populism because they are terrified of democracy. ”

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/13/why-the-elites-fear-democracy/
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January 21, 2024 9:24am
Yvette

The Iceman Cometh?
In the distance, some days currently, I hear a faint tinkling tune. It is the ice-cream van going around the streets.
Some people go to the supermarket for icecream. Others are served by the van.

What the hell has that to do with anything?
It may indeed have similarities to Health
Non-Maori may go to the supermarket, perhaps some Maori are more attune (sic) to the service of the van.
But there is no need for the van to service all those who go the supermarket.

“We personally believe that we don’t need two systems to deliver public services, we need a single system that ultimately has enough innovation and components in it that can deliver and target for people on the basis of need. It’s a pretty simple sort of view of the world – Christopher Luxon, now Prime Minister
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/464214/luxon-backs-co-governance-debate-shies-from-referendum

(The ice-cream allegory crashes pretty quickly, so I wouldn’t push it any further or subject it to too much detail)
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January 21, 2024 9:42am
Maggie Pie

One of the guys from Mass just shared this tweet with us…..

“Wonder what 2024 will bring?”

https://twitter.com/CarlosSimancas/status/1747684461737648404

LOL!!
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January 21, 2024 9:53am
- MCōs
  
  So Mass was just as boring as it’s always been, except in my day we didn’t have Twitter to while away the time
  
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  January 21, 2024 9:59am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    As we had drummed into us at Boarding School cossie….
    
    “If Jesus is all you have,
    You have all you need”
    
    Worth remembering.
    
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    January 21, 2024 10:07am
    - Swifty
      
      Brain rot.
      
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      January 21, 2024 10:18am
    - Ghost
      
      Your pool cleaner is Mexican?
      
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      January 21, 2024 10:21am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Hey-Zeus has been doing our pool for years 😀
        
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        January 21, 2024 10:37am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Is he a friend of Riccie?
        
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        January 21, 2024 12:22pm
    - kisekiman
      
      https://youtu.be/6VIL3AJVRCY?si=god2Dk5np45-BSOV
      
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      January 21, 2024 2:14pm
Chris Nisbet

This Newshub story about protests in Germany is a bit odd.
The story includes an allegedly ‘related’ video which appears to be about the German Farmers protesting about the anti-farming policies dreamed up by their insane government, but the story claims that thousands are protesting against the AfD, who are apparently just like Nazis because they want to deport illegal immigrants.
I can’t say I’m completely on top of what Germans are protesting about, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there are just as many Germans who would like to see the back of illegal immigrants as there are who are taking to the streets to protest against people who’d like to see them gone.
And what that has to do with German farmers protesting about anti-farming policy from their government, I have no idea.
Oh, forgive me if I don’t have much time for people who bandy the “far-right” label about. Similar to those who label people “racist” because they don’t like dividing a nation by race, it’s the people throwing those labels about who we should be worried about.
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January 21, 2024 9:55am
- Grunter
  
  You lost me at “…Newshub…” To better understand world events you’ll have to turn off NZ MSM.
  
  Germany is in a bit of trouble. No one is happy for a bunch of reasons. Last time that happened…….!
  
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  January 21, 2024 10:33am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Duh, I forgot to include the link, but maybe the comment is better without it – as Grunter points out, people will be better off if they don’t visit legacy NZ media.
  
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  January 21, 2024 11:21am
- jon
  
  Chris, well its Newshub, they have an agenda. If only they took the time to check out the current polling chart for the parties in Germany, they would see the CDU (centre right) and the Afd parties enjoying a surge in support whilst the SDU, govt led, (centre left) their coalition partners the Greens and the Free Democrats in a sharp downward spiral. Clearly the policies of the Afd are resonating with Germans who are concerned about illegal immigration and why wouldnt they be.
  
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  January 21, 2024 11:54am
- CJames
  
  Spiked has a clip on the tractors protest in Berlin and all the vox pop protesters are saying no AfD there. Evidently, the putdown from the government is the farmers are neo-nazis of which AfD is a synonym in their view.
  The Agricultural Minister in the government is a vegetarian Green which sums up the farmers’ anger.
  
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  January 21, 2024 12:09pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You had to get down to the very last paragraph to discover that AfD has 30+% support, more than any of their political opponents.
  
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  January 21, 2024 12:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Psychobabble rulz.

Heroic teenager excluded from School trip because of bull-shit nonsense

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/long-bay-college-student-who-witnessed-albany-bus-station-stabbing-excluded-from-overseas-trip/LUB765UV7NH57BPKC3CZZJK3ZA/
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January 21, 2024 9:57am
- Cantabrian
  
  What an unbelievable story. The girl is clearly a trained surf lifesaver, and would be exposed to trauma in that task. She is also old enough to serve in the military where she could also be exposed to unpleasant events. The school’s actions are indefensible, particularly as they appear not to have consulted the parents or the girl before making their decision.
  I’m confident the school will reimburse her for the cost of the trip.///
  
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  January 21, 2024 10:33am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Can’t,
    
    The school officials are a bunch of fwits.
    Where are their psychiatric qualifications?
    Are they focussed solely on this girls welfare, what about the welfare of most of their students who they have failed to teach to an appropriate standard?
    A good human rights lawyer should give her a hand to give these wankers a good public bitch slapping.
    
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    January 21, 2024 11:31am
  - peterwn
    
    Hope she flips the bird at the school and tells them she is not coming back this year.
    
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    January 21, 2024 9:36pm
- Ghost
  
  I can understand where the school is coming from, it’s only just happened and fresh in her mind. But I would have thought a solution of including a parent on the trip could have been offered.
  
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  January 21, 2024 11:49am
- artemisia
  
  The school may have a point. A point that they are not able to make public, but possibly based on observations for hours a day several days a week. It is reasonable and responsible for the school to assess risks. But not reasonable to relay a decision at pretty much the last minute.
  
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  January 21, 2024 12:03pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Maybe. Or maybe the school just thought that they couldn’t be bothered with the hassle if the pupil did go troppo, and didn’t bother to consider the specifics of this particular young woman.
    
    Put another way, the school councillor considered how s/he would have reacted personally in the face of the stabbing incident, and didn’t stop to consider whether others might be more resilient than him/her.
    
    I know where my servo pie is sitting.
    
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    January 21, 2024 12:31pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  A very brave young lady who seems to have more resilience than the education staff involved in the decision. But that is no surprise.
  
  However another question, why are schools these days routinely organising significant overseas trips for their students in this time of climate change ? I hope none of the student travellers or staff taking up this jaunt were part of the climate “strikes” we saw last year ?.
  
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  January 21, 2024 1:28pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    C’mon Hugh! Green politicians of the future don’t just grow on trees, you know.
    
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    January 21, 2024 6:51pm
imalwaysright

Just watched Guy Williams promo for upcoming tv “comedy” programme .

He says to a double amputee

“I see you have no legs”

Man replies “Yes, its pretty obvious ”

Is that the standard of humour in this country.
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January 21, 2024 10:27am
- kowtow
  
  “Ableist” jokes are ok .
  
  That being the case and in the same spirit ……
  
  He should do a few skits wearing ‘black face” , afterall I understand he’s partial to a bit of colour …..
  
  ……nudge, nudge, wink, wink , say no more
  
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  January 21, 2024 12:23pm
- Grunter
  
  Was he wearing some cool new shirts, pants, jacket? Apparently he was spoiled with Xmas presents this year.
  
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  January 21, 2024 1:17pm
  - kowtow
    
    did you steal that joke off someone.
    
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    January 21, 2024 1:32pm
Maggie Pie

ONLY IN AMERICA

Doubt we would see something like this happening in Aotearoa?

https://twitter.com/pine_tree_riots/status/1748581198572527964
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January 21, 2024 10:29am
- Drone
  
  What Maggie P, the subsidising of unprofitable stores or the closing of unprofitable stores in “deprived” areas. In the later case it’s happening now, with the closure of New World in Flaxmere..
  
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  January 21, 2024 10:40am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Actually, talking about NW, they have HOT X BUNS on sale from yesterday.
    Had our first lot this morning when I got home.
    Still the best value in town….. 6 for $5.99
    
    You’d have to wonder how they do it for under a buck each.
    
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    January 21, 2024 11:26am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Not really. A hot cross bun is just a flavoured bun with maybe some dried fruit, and six soft buns regularly sell for way less than $4.
      
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      January 21, 2024 11:51am
      - CJames
        
        You forgot the top cross and the sugar glaze. That must add to the cost\\
        
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        January 21, 2024 12:11pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Plus 10% for the Big Guy?
        
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        January 21, 2024 12:32pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Yet my REAL faves are the ones from a little cake shop over at St Heliers.
        There’s are $30 for half-a-doz, but they don’t start making them till a few weeks before Easter. Laden with spices and booze soaked fruit. To dye for.
        I always buy a few dozen and keep them in the freezer but invariably run out around September.
        
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        January 21, 2024 12:33pm
      - greybeard
        
        Maggie Pie: sorry, I reported you by mistake !
        Too many Pol Rogers on a hot afternoon !
        MP: what I wanted to say is that you are 100% correct about those St Heliers buns at $30 for half a dozen.
        Whenever they start making them I send my young lady up in the chopper to pick up a few boxes.
        Delightful.
        
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        January 21, 2024 2:33pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Glad to see you’re also a connoisseur of the finer-things-in-life as well Grey.
        Wonder what ‘milkeys’ been up to this weekend?
        
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        January 21, 2024 3:01pm
      - greybeard
        
        MP: I believe Tūrangawaewae is the “in” place to be these balmy summer days.
        The grandeur of the mighty Waikato forming a backdrop to the sights and sounds of the convocation: the majesty of that hallowed life-force flowing to the sea, dictating every movement, every thought, every inchoate feeling of the indigeneous peoples who have converged by foot, by bus, by horse, by 2024 Ford Ranger Raptor with Blacked-out windows, to celebrate, gesticulate, regurgitate.
        Where else would our Milkey be ?
        
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        January 21, 2024 4:31pm
    - Ghost
      
      We’ve got a bakery in town that has won awards for their hot cross bun. They make it all year but at Easter they put the cross on it
      
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      January 21, 2024 12:37pm
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        Is that Putaruru??? Amazing Spice Buns/Hot x Buns.
        
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        January 21, 2024 1:00pm
      - kevn
        
        Grey… How many boxes of buns can she carry on the Harley?
        
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        January 21, 2024 4:06pm
    - Mummy
      
      Coles in Brizzy had them on Boxing Day. Even advertised on the telly.
      
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      January 21, 2024 12:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    the closing of unprofitable stores in “deprived” areas.
    
    It didn’t get national coverage, but similar in my ghetto last week.
    
    Triple blow for Kaiti Hub as it loses pharmacy, NZ Post, and Kiwibank
    
    https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/news/triple-blow-for-kaiti-hub
    
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    January 21, 2024 12:37pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I was there last week & thought it was looking a bit rundown. Fish & chips were ok, though.
      
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      January 21, 2024 6:53pm
  - cmm
    
    A difference might be that Wallgreens have been forced to shut mainly due to increasing theft.
    
    I don’t think Flaxmere has huge theft problems, but WTF do I know – I’ve never been there.
    
    Flaxmere still has Four Square locally and two other supermarkets in waddling distance (5km or so).
    
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    January 21, 2024 1:52pm
- Paulus
  
  If I knew where that place is, to which you refer, I could comment !
  
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  January 21, 2024 2:00pm
Paulus

I have just read Andrea Vance, again, as I was unclear of what she was trying to say the first time.
What I believe she is trying to say that today’s Politicians should answer the media people s questions because that is what they are there for.
Umm – I am not sure that that is what they are still there for anyway, as we have seen the many lies innuendoes that get twisted from any comment the new Government or for that matter any Political source makes no matter who or what they say.
For the last 6 years they so called political writers did everything they could as a Left Political Party to denigrate any other than left wing political views.
And I and a majority no longer care what people like Vance, and her ilk say or do.
Go get a real job Vance, if anybody will employ you towards their bankruptcy.
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January 21, 2024 10:57am
- Damocles11
  
  I don’t believe politicians should have to answer the inane and idiotic questions of todays modern mainstream media, who reckon that they are the representatives of the people. Who appointed them to this role? Nobody. They don’t represent me, and they don’t represent millions of other people in New Zealand. They are just a tool of the Leftist and Separatist agenda, and they will only be de-powered by all of us collectively refusing to engage with them, refusing to buy their products, and refusing to buy the products of those who advertise with them.
  
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  January 21, 2024 12:23pm
  - Fisiani2
    
    I heard an interview on RNZ today with Shane Jones.
    It consisted with Jones making a statement and the interviewer replying “So you think XYZ”
    Jones never said XYZ.
    The Interviewer was seeking to make Jones seem foolish.
    The interviewer was the foolish one.
    
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    January 21, 2024 10:52pm
- kowtow
  
  You can contribute to their bankruptcy by not clicking on……
  
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  January 21, 2024 2:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gizzy under Rain watch again…..

Should be a good test of our new, partially completed, reroofing.
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January 21, 2024 11:06am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Is there a cricket match scheduled for Childers Rd?
  
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  January 21, 2024 12:33pm
Ghost

Some joke has accepted a Living Legend of Aviation award

Article
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January 21, 2024 11:06am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cQ0NK1T64
RFK Jr. Weighs in on Trump’s Wall.
Tucker Carlson and RFK Jr. discuss immigration and Donald Trump’s wall.
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January 21, 2024 11:08am
- Inandout
  
  sun, RFK seems a sensible chap but I strain sometimes to understand what he is saying.
  
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  January 21, 2024 1:23pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, he is. He has a throat problem that affects his voice. Its a pity he doesn’t sound like his uncle Jack.
    
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    January 21, 2024 3:14pm
  - tf78
    
    His voice issue is a result of a vaccine injury that is why he is so anti vaccines.
    
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    January 21, 2024 5:38pm
    - kevn
      
      tf78… No. Kennedy suffers from a rare medical condition called spasmodic dysphonia. Multiple sources confirm that.
      It makes you listen because he talks sense.
      
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      January 21, 2024 6:54pm
      - Ghost
        
        Which Robert has said he wonders if the flu vaccine caused
        
        The cause of spasmodic dysphonia isn’t known; researchers think it might be genetic, or a leftover disability from a respiratory infection, or even stress.
        
        Kennedy, though, suspects a flu vaccine may be to blame. “I haven’t been able to figure out any other cause,” he told a podcaster in 2021.
        
        In a follow-up email, Kennedy said he wasn’t sure of the connection, calling it “my own speculation.” His press person sent links to fact sheets included in manufacturer packaging of more recent flu vaccines that list dysphonia among dozens of reported “adverse reactions.” The adverse reactions in those package inserts — which are legal, not medical documents — are based on unverified observations, and, as they make clear, don’t suggest the vaccine necessarily caused the reaction.
        
        Article
        
        However this isn’t what has caused him to question vaccines. It was a group of parents who were asking him to represent him turning up his environmental meetings and providing him with documentations that got him interested in that
        
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        January 21, 2024 7:10pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8uu0TNlTrs
The Secret relation between Hynansky family of Kiev and Biden.
If you dig deep enough it always comes to money. The big guy gets 10% again. Ties between two crime families.
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January 21, 2024 11:08am
- Grunter
  
  The evilness of Biden and Zelensky is astounding. Billions of $’s in personal gain there is no doubt. 500,000+ lives lost. Over 1 million permanently injured. Millions have fled the country never to return. And still they continue. At least Hitler was open about his crazy warmongering scheme. Zelensky is just an evil actor.
  
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  January 21, 2024 1:24pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    !!?? Who invaded who again? Putin can end the war any time he wants. If Ukraine capitulate then Russia will take Ukraine and conscript the Ukrainians into fighting for Russia as he has done for the occupied areas already taken and line up on the next target for his expansionist agenda (likely baltic states). There is absolutely no one to blame for all the dead except Putin.
    
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    January 21, 2024 3:17pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Exactly
      And Putin’s corruption makes Biden and Zelensky look like amateurs.
      Still Grunter might enjoy this series as he prepares for the upcoming apocalypse.
      https://abc.com/tv/shows/doomsday-preppers/episode-guide/season-1
      
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      January 21, 2024 6:26pm
Maggie Pie

I see where some people are saying in the comments that the ‘Hui @ Ngawhawareia’ yesterday looked more like a Mongrel-Mob convention…..

https://twitter.com/JodiIhaka/status/1748497703942979697
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January 21, 2024 11:34am
- thirteenstars
  
  Well, every revolutionary movement has had a paramilitary wing, or a goon squad.
  
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  January 21, 2024 11:54am
- kowtow
  
  Anytime so called extremists turn up at “conservative” shindigs te media pardy hype it out of all proportion , but when organised crime turn up to one of te media’s pet projects ………..
  
  ……….silence.
  
  not fit for purpose and certainly not deserving of one cent of taxpayer’s hard earned money.
  
  Disgusting double standards .
  
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  January 21, 2024 1:31pm
Damocles11

The Leftist New Zealand Herald now want to give me a free iced coffee machine worth over $129.99 if only I’ll just subscribe to their rotten marxist rag. No, p*ss right off you mongrels!
I wouldn’t be a taker even if they gave me the paper every day for free.
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January 21, 2024 12:16pm
PurplePen

Lodged this complaint and similar with TVNZ, RNZ, One NZ and Internal Affairs as sport to see what response they give.
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Internal Affairs, most notably uses “Aotearoa” as a replacement for “New Zealand”, presumably as the Maori for New Zealand. This might be by choice for any number of reasons. As a government agency are you free to use whatever other te reo you like for New Zealand. The reo should be accurate, inclusive and not discriminatory.

Otakou marae kaumatua Edward Ellison from South Island Ngai Tahu says Aotearoa originally referred solely to the North Island. South Island Maori have and had a different name which included the land in both North and South islands.

Consider also the te reo word for the land of New Zealand and as stated in the Maori Te Tiriti version signed is “Niu Tirani” or actually “Nu Tirani”.

The solution and more inclusive is to swap out use of Aotearoa and use Nu Tirani or the South Island Maori name. At the least wider consultation should be made as appears not to have been done for the default use of Aotearoa.
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January 21, 2024 12:48pm
- Inandout
  
  Purp, try looking at Consumer site, Maori everywhere.
  
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  January 21, 2024 1:31pm
- greybeard
  
  My email to Mr. Luxon dated 18-01-2023, prior to the Party Meeting:
  ” Just tell your MPs to behave themselves, to not speak out of turn, to not do anything stupid. Or else….
  
  We who voted you in simply expect you to fix the country: remove all the crap ministries, stop the appalling waste, tell the woke and the left and the MSM
  to bugger-off.
  
  Please , just run New Zealand as if it was a really big airline.
  
  And finally, resume calling the country “New Zealand” and its inhabitants “New Zealanders”.
  Why must we be “Kiwis” all the time ? What is wrong with “New Zealander” ?
  Is that an embarrassing name ? Too redolent of our white colonial past ?
  
  Regards,,
  
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  January 21, 2024 2:26pm
  - MCōs
    
    I have no problem being called a New Zealander or Kiwi. It’s one of the few nicknames that isn’t used to demean the people of some other country
    
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    January 21, 2024 5:28pm
    - greybeard
      
      Australians ? Canadians? Welsh ? French ? German ?
      But when it comes to US for some reason we are “kiwis” .
      Bullshit.
      
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      January 21, 2024 7:58pm
      - Ghost
        
        I’m a kiwi, I have been all my life. What you want to be called is up to you, what others want to be called is up to them.
        
        Time you stop be so anal and expecting that what you want is what everyone else wants. Our military have a kiwi badge on their uniform, do you want that removed as well?
        
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        January 21, 2024 8:02pm
Maggie Pie

This 😀

“We’re looking ahead to deliver a set of deliverables that will help our vision
of New Zealand take root and come to pass”

– PM Chris Luxon (NZHerald 20/01/24)

No matter what ‘spin’ the Horrid likes to put on it, National & Co have done more for the benefit of this country in the last 60 days, than Labor did in six long years.
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January 21, 2024 1:25pm
- greybeard
  
  Labour.
  
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  January 21, 2024 2:23pm
  - kevn
    
    grey… labour. Drop the capital, unworthy.
    
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    January 21, 2024 2:31pm
ISeeRed

“deliver a set of deliverables” – clumsily repetitive MBA speak.
“looking ahead…help…come to pass” – passive weak language.
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January 21, 2024 2:30pm
- MCōs
  
  The loathsome word “deliverable” was first used about the mid 18th century, but I’d not come across until the latter years of sending out drawings to clients
  
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  January 21, 2024 8:33pm
  - peterwn
    
    Including the ball Greg Chappell delivered underarm?
    
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    January 21, 2024 9:49pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum phoned b4 to see if we’d watched ‘The Outsiders’ on Sky?
Unfortunately, every telly in the place is on the silly bloody cricket.

She was saying Rowan Dean did a hilarious piss-take of Golly G, showing the video clip of her (allegedly) half-inching a designer handbag from Scotties.

I said imagine if we could swap Rowan Dean for John Campbell.
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January 21, 2024 2:54pm
Che Guava

Well, looks like the warmongering Zionist Neocons are going to get the US embroiled in yet another war for Israel.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/20/us-military-yemen-houthis/

“The Biden administration is crafting plans for a sustained military campaign targeting the Houthis in Yemen after 10 days of strikes failed to halt the group’s attacks on maritime commerce, stoking concern among some officials that an open-ended operation could derail the war-ravaged country’s fragile peace and pull Washington into another unpredictable Middle Eastern conflict.”

“The deepening cycle of violence is a setback to President Biden’s goal of stemming spillover hostilities triggered by Israel’s war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. Underscoring the threat, Iran on Saturday blamed Israel for a strike on the Syrian capital, Damascus, that killed five Iranian military advisers. The Israeli military declined to comment.”

“The Houthis, one powerful faction in Yemen’s long-running civil war, have framed their campaign, which has included more than 30 missile and drone attacks on commercial and naval vessels since November, as a means of pressuring Israel, bolstering their standing amid widespread regional opposition to the Jewish state. The quickly expanding U.S. response likewise risks pulling Biden into another volatile campaign in a region that has repeatedly mired down the American military, potentially undermining his attempt to refocus U.S. foreign policy on Russia and China.”

Have they learned nothing over the last 20 years, or is it that they don’t have any real option to not get bogged down in another endless campaign for Israel’s benefit?

This is precisely why it is not in America’s interests to have its political system so heavily funded, and its foreign policy directed, by a group of people whose collective interest is not that of the American people, and whose fundamental loyalty is not to the United States but to a foreign nation.
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January 21, 2024 4:38pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  statista.com:
  
  “As of January 2023, the monthly revenue of the Suez Canal in Egypt reached 23 billion Egyptian pounds (close to 743 million U.S. dollars). ”
  
  Seems like Egypt should do something to stop the Houthis from drastically reducing their income from the Suez canal.
  
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  January 21, 2024 6:11pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I think its really admirable the people at Gloriavale let you use a computer everyday.
  Gives you an outlet for your bigotry.
  
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  January 21, 2024 6:23pm
Steve Todd

Wow! My phone said it was 29 degrees in Wellington an hour ago – now 28.

According to my records, the last time Welly hit 29 (I think, 29.3) was on Thu 3 Feb 05.

So good. A glorious Welly day. And not a breath of wind. It really is just wonderful.
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January 21, 2024 4:58pm
- lifesgood
  
  Sounds like a normal day in Auckland 🙂
  
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  January 21, 2024 5:03pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Hmm, not knowing any better, I’ll give you that one, lifesgood.
    
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    January 21, 2024 5:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is Wellington’s third good day this year. That’s it, you get no more.
  
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  January 21, 2024 5:38pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    That’s it, you get no more.
    
    Ha, ha. We’ll see.
    
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    January 21, 2024 5:53pm
- greybeard
  
  I am on the Kapiti Coast.
  We have had had WEEKS of 25c to 28c.
  Bugger all rain.
  
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  January 21, 2024 7:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

“Luxon is a closet activist. Really, to me, it’s obvious.

As such, he’s going to be a one term PM because he will not action the will of the people in the last election.

Which was?

To rid New Zealand of Maorification and Co-Governance.

In the next election, New Zealanders will be looking for another Prime Minister to step up and do the job Luxon ought to have done, but didn’t.”

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/luxon-an-activist-by-stealth/
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January 21, 2024 5:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sorry chaps, late today.
  This old fool replaced a hot water cylinder.
  The labour costs and profit on the cylinder are ridiculous. Quotes from $2300 to nearly $3K. My cost? $1150 plus my labour.
  Now the old one shit itself after 3 1/2 years. The manufacturer would not honour the 5-year warranty because I am not a registered plumber. Not naming company!
  With my mechanical knowledge I can run rings around a plumber any day, even gasfitters.
  
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  January 21, 2024 6:09pm
lifesgood

Anyone know how we can see Rowan Dean’s piece on Golly G?
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January 21, 2024 6:06pm
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Google the Nova Player app and download it to your phone.
  
  Once open, across the top, you’ll see a selection of radio stations. Select Sky News. From there a selection of shows will show, scroll right till you find The Outsiders and press play.
  
  You can download any of the shows to listen offline as well. Just go to the Library section at the bottom to see your downloads.
  
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  January 22, 2024 10:33pm
Jack5

Covid – more than 8,000 new cases in NZ in the last week, with 50 dying within 28 days of a positive Covid test. (Some of these people could have been on their last legs because of other conditions, of course).

Canterbury and the Auckland health areas seem to be the main areas of infection.

After staying out of the Covid debate on Kiwiblog, my experience after the virus swathed through our household yesterday, is that folk who liken it to a light dose of flu don’t their arseholes from their earholes.

The chemist who sold me tests said there had been an upsurge in general flu’s etc, as well as of Covid, and that this was probably related to foreign tourism getting back to full flow after the shutdowns in the Labour era.

You can’t stay isolated from the world for long.

https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/our-health-system/data-and-statistics/covid-19-data/covid-19-current-cases/
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January 21, 2024 6:21pm
MCōs

Bob Dylan 32yrs ago Like a Rolling Stone with Carole King on piano
https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=18%20january%201992%20bob%20dylan%20letterman&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:8191b5c3,vid:HHj9Vkol9kA,st:0
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January 21, 2024 7:08pm
Rusty

@MCos

Never seen that video of Bob Dylan before.
Did you see him perform in NZ in 1978 at Western Springs and Mount Smart in 1986?
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January 21, 2024 7:32pm
- MCōs
  
  I was living in Wellington in those days.
  We saw him at the TSB Centre in the late nineties with Patti Smith opening
  My wife who is Thai had never heard of him and thought he was dreadful!
  
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  January 21, 2024 7:55pm
  - CJames
    
    I was at the concert too with my oldest daughter. Paul Ubana Jones was on before Patti.
    And compared to some of earlier concerts I went to of his, that was good. Though the sound system there is atrocious – especially for that concert. Maybe echos off the walls or not taking into account the effect of people being in there.
    
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