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Yvette

• Leaked [draft] ministry doc warns Bill could break spirit and text of Treaty

The more the Treaty is examined, the plainer it becomes that it is an historic agreement between the Crown and Maori Chiefs of 1840

As a guide for the lives – entitlements, responsibilities, and mental wellbeing – of the now roughly 83 percent of New Zealanders who are not Maori. is it not time a Declaration of Rights is established for this portion of the population, who apparently have no National Founding Document.
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January 20, 2024 8:00am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Rawiri’s people have been waiting 180 years for this
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:35am
  - Positan
    
    Waititi and his people should spend far more time on the actuality of their history and stop trying to make up claims on the basis of what never happened.
    
    The fact Labour’s leadership idiots thought they could “secure the Maori vote forever” shows how badly they misled themselves. The ruination caused to the country by Palmer’s fatuous orchestration and manifestation of “Treaty principles” has increased and been dishonestly manifested ever since.
    
    New Zealand simply has to wake up to how Labour MPs and some National MPs have been totally screwed by part-Maori opportunists and their promises into not ONE but THREE “full and final” settlements. Demonstrably, from the conduct of Waititi, Ngarewa-Packer, Tuku Morgan et al, nothing has been “settled at all.”
    
    Accordingly, the third settlement should be totally revoked and repaid back to the Crown.
    
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    January 20, 2024 11:32am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Nobody alive is 180 years old so not sure what you mean. Rawiri was born into the modern world just like everyone else today and like everyone else enjoys the incredible opportunities that provides. Live a sad and delusional life obsessing over a past you never experienced, or make something of your temporary life!
    
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    January 20, 2024 6:31pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If the treaty says Maori property rights should be upheld, and someone suggests that everyone’s property rights should be upheld, that does not contradict the treaty.
  
  I have a very low opinion of the media’s logic and reading comprehension skills, but this is so bad that dishonesty is a more likely explanation.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:51am
  - Paulus
    
    The Media Party lost the election and will do everything they can to denigrate the Government irrespective of whatever it is.
    It is obvious every day where their loyalties (sic) lay.
    
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    January 20, 2024 11:24am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They only need to read the new poll to see their corruption is not washing with level headed voters
      
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      January 20, 2024 11:48am
- slightlyrighty
  
  From the leaked document….
  
  “I expect the bill may be highly contentious. This is due to both the fundamental constitutional nature of the subject matter and the lack of consultation with the public on the policy development prior to Select Committee.”
  
  So my question is this…
  
  If the lack of public consultation is an issue, then where was the public consultation for the reimagining of the Treaty as a partnership?
  
  How did we get to where we are now without public consultation?
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:15am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Clear breach of the PS code of conduct too written to be leaked by the look of it. Firing offense.
    
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    January 20, 2024 11:04am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Sounds like Waititi leaked it, and he is saying f…..you whether he can leak it or not, he has been gloating about the leak on socials
      
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      January 20, 2024 11:52am
  - Yvette
    
    • Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirms public consultation on Māori co-governance will happen in 2022
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html
    video – nice jacket
    
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    January 20, 2024 11:23am
- backster
  
  Instead of a Declaration a Proclamation may be more effective.
  
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  January 20, 2024 2:02pm
Gravelroad

This is nuts.
It’s not about people who plant and grow walnut or hazelnut trees so they can sell bags of nuts at the Farmers Market – as I first thought.
No, it is far more scary than that.
It is about SEX.
And car number plates.
And the power of a government department to cancel a car number plate on the whim of one complaint.

Man wins fight with NZTA over ‘offensive’ licence plate with help from David Seymour, Simeon Brown
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/man-wins-fight-with-nzta-over-offensive-licence-plate-with-help-from-david-seymour-simeon-brown/MYBI6HV7AZAONF6H5KYM42SWKE/
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January 20, 2024 8:02am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Sorry, fat finger small screen. Those boxes need to be larger.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:09am
- Ruahine
  
  This would have been under the jurisdiction of Waka Kotahi.
  It is about what one would expect from that organisation’s woke idiotic policy leaders.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:10am
  - Paulus
    
    Who !
    
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    January 20, 2024 11:25am
- cmm
  
  In this age of 12 year olds shouting “fuck you” at eachother, it seems rather quaint spilling your tea over NUTSAX.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:32am
  - pdm
    
    `In this age of 12 year olds shouting “fuck you” at eachother.’
    
    Or any adult or Police Officer nearby.
    
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    January 20, 2024 8:41am
    - Matt Long
      
      Now that these formerly taboo words are in common usage, it’s just lucky we have truly offensive words to fall back on, like “you’re a man in a dress.”
      
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      January 20, 2024 8:56am
  - Damocles11
    
    It’s ok for a bloke on a TV ad to say “don’t worry about these bum holes…nah, they’re good guys”….then it should be well and truly ok for someone to have the number plate NUTSAX.
    
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    January 20, 2024 1:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The old plates with a sticker above are not acceptable so new ones being made?
  Who is paying? IMO it should be the NZTA idiot who reversed the original approval.
  This is all based on one complaint? Bit like locking Auckland (province) down when there was one case of Covid.
  Too many busybodies in Govt Departments. When will we be rid of these parasites?
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:58am
  - KH
    
    Too much media time and energy conveying useless non issues at us.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:10am
    - NothingLeft
      
      The now dead and buried Buzz-Feed’s clickbait business model.
      
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      January 20, 2024 9:31am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Look! A squirrel (with a numberplate)
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:22am
- jedmo
  
  Presumably some snowflake was offended enough to make the original complaint, there’s some sad pricks around.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I would like to think that the particular snowflake never gets testicular cancer, or prostate cancer.
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:20am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I can say one thing. It scares the fuck out of you when you first find out.
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Over 7000 languages in the World and we are being forced to learn one other than English. Wonder why?
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January 20, 2024 8:03am
- Tom Barker
  
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  And one of those beautiful languages is lost every six weeks on average, Steve. I for one don’t wish te reo Maori to become one of those, and I applaud and support the modest efforts this country has so far made to preserve it.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:30am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Language use comes from the home or not at all.
    
    Like you, Tom, I applaud Maori families teaching the language to their young. I can even live with a level of public funding for encouragement of its use.
    
    We part company regarding its ramming down the throats of people who just aren’t interested.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:26am
    - kowtow
      
      I applaud the white , virtue signalling , likely Green voting , hamas sympathising ,sandal wearing , yoga wallah, cycle riding , prominently displayed Disneyfied green/bone carving wearing, relatively recently arrived ,public service employed types who make a point of pretending they’re enriched by going to Maori language classes .
      
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      January 20, 2024 9:53am
    - wsk12345
      
      Ditto. I’m fine with some modest spending and some modest usage such as Kiaora. I’m not happy with so many millions being put into forcing it down our throats, impairing communication (govt dept, media, etc) and weaponised.
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:01am
  - Dave
    
    Given our country’s history, there is a modest obligation to support those who wish to speak it, but beauty is very much in the individual’s judgement, and only one criterion of judgement; moreover, this obligation is but one of many demands on taxpayers’ pockets.
    
    Here is Kenan Malik from more than 20 years ago with a sceptical opinion on supporting moribund languages.
    
    https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/opinions/56407/let-them-die
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:55am
  - Inandout
    
    TB, French spoken by children is approaching ‘beautiful’, and perhaps because of the rather large vocabulary to draw from. Early Maori which I can remember being spoken up North by old folk was a pleasure to hear because it was pronounced softly. Whangarei was never ‘Farngaray’, in fact the ‘f’ was hardly noticeable above the ‘w’.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:58am
  - Clyde
    
    Modest? Get a grip Tom. Just count up the millions of dollars spent by taxpayers on maori TV, maori radio and little Willie Jackson then wanted TVNZ and Red Radio to use the language more because the ratings of all these maori language stations was so low. No-one wanted to listen!!!!
    
    Might pay you to read some of the books on language which document just why languages rise and fall and some are lost forever. The general consensus is that when Governments pour money in to “saving” a language, it achieves nothing. Relevance to the modern world is why languages thrive. I seem to remember a TV story on such a subject that opened up with a shot of a French airliner flying over the Swiss Alps on its way to Italy. The language used in all its communications was English.
    
    The Polynesian group of languages has its roots in those groups of islands – maybe these islands need to pour money into the preservation of their language – but I don’t think they need to, do they?
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:00am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What guts me is red radio snd Marxist red TV are still calling NZ transport agency Waka Kotahi, there no longer is any such thing, and that is a direct finger in the air to these Marxist scum, time there was some sackings
      
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      January 20, 2024 12:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I don’t mind at all if Maori wish to preserve their language.
    Net Taxpayers should not be paying for it, the Elite should!
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:22am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Anything stopping people doing (ancient) Maori culture and language in their own time and on their own dime?
      
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      January 20, 2024 6:33pm
  - Opie
    
    Is it supporting it when you force it on people?
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:35am
    - leoj
      
      The woke have yet to figure out the difference between voluntary and compulsory.
      
      Maori elite think it should be compulsory but they need to be told, in strong terms, to get stuffed.
      
      Sadly, woke Luxon is not that person.
      
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      January 20, 2024 1:41pm
  - Paulus
    
    Anybody in New Zealand can learn Maori but I like very many are not interested – I speak good English from a young age and am not changing for the whim of a small minority.
    So piss off.
    
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    January 20, 2024 11:27am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yet they wanted 100% Māori taught in schools, and kids leaving school more than half could not read or tight, WTF
      
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      January 20, 2024 12:08pm
      - Ghost
        
        I wouldn’t comment about people’s ability to read and write if I was you
        
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        January 20, 2024 12:13pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Ghost, thanks for the nasty smear, but I can read and write, I might not be the best with comprehension, but I can read and write, 52% of the people leaving school last year could not, so what’s your beef?
        
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        January 20, 2024 1:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        What’s my beef? You need to read what you write before hitting post because too often it’s unreadable
        
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        January 20, 2024 1:47pm
      - mawm
        
        G – I think he is referring to the fact that you don’t proof read your posts and often they are unintelligible.
        
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        January 20, 2024 1:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Ghost 1.47,
        Maybe G the giant is like me. I read my comments 3 times before posting, and see no mistakes. Only when going through the comments I have made I then pick up the typo or just not making sense.
        I truly asked my Doctor about this – and he is not a trick cyclist. He said my proof reading sees the comment as an image – not individual text. Therefore I don’t see the typos etc.
        I made a fucking clanger the other day, it got right past me until later.
        Just the way things are.
        
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        January 20, 2024 2:18pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Steve Otto(North Shore) @ 2:18PM
        
        Don’t worry, Steve Otto(North Shore), your ‘clanger’ the other day was merely one (admittedly important) letter missing from one word. We all do that, as well as omit a word from a sentence. That is because, as when I do it, my tiny brain is racing ahead of my right index finger.
        
        What Ghost and mawm are very correctly saying, is that many of G the giant’s comments are literally unreadable. That is because, in my opinion, he blasts his responses out on his phone, (usually) while full of anger, the inevitable result being unintelligible nonsense.
        
        What is highly annoying about all this, is that not only does G the giant not check, and correct, his comments before posting them, but he has been told about his unnecessary carelessness many times before, yet there has been no discernible improvement.
        
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        January 20, 2024 4:17pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Most people of Maori decent can’t (understandably) be arsed. Just like I can’t be arsed learning the ancient dialects of my ancestors (still used in some parts of the world).
      
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      January 20, 2024 6:36pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        That was supposed to be “descent”.
        
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        January 20, 2024 10:13pm
      - Ash
        
        “Most Maori can’t be arsed learning their own language” so they demand non-Maori preserve it.
        
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        January 20, 2024 10:35pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    Tom, I guarantee those efforts you refer to (superimposing it on government departments, shoehorning it into English language forums, changing place names etc – all of it with no public consultation) are having the opposite effect. The way languages survive is through having significant numbers of native speakers (like Afrikaans in South Africa for example). Annoying people doesn’t work.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:52pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Why? Because when you don’t understand te teo you are branded a social neanderthal, a prole while understanding supposedly confirms you virtuous and enlightened.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:28am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , as long as you “book end” everything with a ki ora and a na mihi you can assure yourself and your audience ( who’re very likely un impressed) that you’re part of the “in crowd” or that you’re safe from redundancy , for the moment.
    
    And that would apply to the “corporate ” world too , safe in the knowledge of continued DEI ticks.
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:11am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      And genuine everyday users of Maori language (few and far between old people) probably think those part time virtue signallers are fake dickheads!
      
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      January 20, 2024 6:41pm
- MCōs
  
  When I was at school I was forced to learn Latin which I had little interest in
  My 6yo granddaughter can read and write te reo because she enjoys the language. She’s also a nipper lifeguard and loves cricket, so her Dad tells me.
  For myself I know very little te reo, which is a shame, but down in Timaru/Christchurch when I was growing up Māori were so scarce they could be ignored
  My grandchildren will be around for maybe seventy years after I’m gone and it’s going to be their country to speak whatever language they want
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:53am
  - Jigsaw
    
    It’s not about what they want – it’s what they are compelled to learn. At least Latin was of some use ……
    
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    January 20, 2024 11:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Forced to learn Latin? Not sure how old you are, but I am 62, Latin was always an extra subject, unless you are quite a bit older I can’t remember hearing anyone say they were forced to learn Latin.
    
    There were reasons certain people needed to learn Latin, Doctors, I presume dentists, people reading tests and doing X-ray, and even the priest hood you needed Latin, doctors especially, that has probably changed now, but they were very important for some who needed Latin too succeed
    
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    January 20, 2024 12:13pm
    - MCōs
      
      I was compelled to learn Latin & French because my parents thought I was a bright spark and that’s what the bright sparks did
      The others took geography and history as I recall
      Only two options
      
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      January 20, 2024 1:29pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I can’t remember hearing anyone say they were forced to learn Latin.
      
      Hubby and I are 8 and 9 years older than you.
      back in the 1960s if you attended a large state school, you were often placed into streamed classes…and the Schools offered different pathways into your future workstream….
      
      My school had professional, general, technical (boys only), commercial / homecraft (girls only).
      
      Latin and French were compulsory subjects for children in one of the professional classes.
      
      I wouldn’t have had a clue as to what I wanted to do at age 12 when I was enrolled for secondary school, but I know I had no particular interest in French or Latin… (and as I was soon to discover – no aptitude for them).
      
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      January 20, 2024 2:32pm
      - MCōs
        
        I’ve always been hopeless at languages
        Including Thai, which I never came to grips with beyond knowing enough not to get ripped off
        On the other hand some people, especially young kids, can just soak them up.
        
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        January 20, 2024 6:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’ve always been hopeless at languages
        
        I can cope with the written side of languages…
        but am hopeless with oral/aural aspects of foreign language.
        
        I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that I am amusical – tone deaf, unable to clap in time, or move in rhythm, can’t sing in tune, etc, etc.
        
        I managed to get A grades in a couple of stage one Korean papers when I was in my mid 50s, but that was only from putting in more effort into those lessons than I had ever put into any subject I’d studied.
        
        However, apart from a few greetings and very basic questions, I quickly reverted to English when in Korea.
        
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        January 20, 2024 7:11pm
    - GJM
      
      1980s Auckland Grammar, Latin was compulsory, at least for the top classes. In fact I took to to school cert level (5th form). Other subjects would have been much more useful,and I have never found it useful and forgotten it. French was more interesting, and useful for travel and owning French cars. Doubt if I can speak it any more, but an still read ok, if j can remember the vocab.
      Big difference, Latin was useless to me, French had it’s uses. I away pretty average un both languages, but I am more a science need.
      
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      January 20, 2024 7:31pm
  - Burtland
    
    PISA scores show education in rapid decline – but hey
    
    “my grandchildren are amazeballs – look theyve got my nose – I can tell them what to do and boy are they smart – they can speak a stone age language”
    
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    January 20, 2024 1:23pm
  - mawm
    
    M – I was also forced to learn latin and it helped me in my use of the English language.
    
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    January 20, 2024 1:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Key words. “Language they want.”
    But why should it be a language forced on you? There is no choice.
    Been to the Hospital lately and want a leak?
    Te Whare Iti!
    
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    January 20, 2024 2:22pm
    - MCōs
      
      I’ve been in hospital a lot lately and had no trouble finding a dunny
      
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      January 20, 2024 7:17pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Far better name to call it! Who does not know what a dunny is?
        
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        January 21, 2024 7:46am
    - Ghost
      
      Actually I have, and on the doors it says toilets.
      
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      January 20, 2024 7:24pm
      - MCōs
        
        . . . . . and symbols signifying M & F where necessary
        
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        January 20, 2024 7:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        In small letters.
        Or, the sign people have not got to you yet.
        
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        January 21, 2024 7:48am
  - julesnzuk
    
    I can guarantee the language spoken in 70 years will not be Maori.
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:01pm
Yvette

• [ACT] ”… has deliberately misinterpreted the wording in Te Tiriti to mean, in fact, the exact opposite,” said Māori legal expert Margaret Mutu.

No actual examples of this “deliberately misinterpreted the wording in Te Tiriti” then?
So “deliberately misinterpreted” ACTs intention by omission?
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January 20, 2024 8:04am
- Cantabrian
  
  Would you expect any other reaction from Mutu?
  
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  January 20, 2024 11:07am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Accuse others of what you are guilty of yourself: J Goebbels.
  
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  January 20, 2024 6:46pm
  - RichardX
    
    You’ve been watching Trump too then.
    
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    January 20, 2024 7:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is this the way folks really think:

Having a bad morning? Go and pinch something. If a high-profile politician can use stress as an excuse, then so can you.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2024/01/19/karl-du-fresne-the-striking-outpouring-of-media-empathy-for-golriz-ghahraman/#more-26417
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January 20, 2024 8:05am
- cmm
  
  The white-knighting around this is pathetic.
  
  The idea that Golly could possibly have agency here seems an anathema. She’s got to be painted as the powerless victim of circumstance.
  
  So much for being a powerful wimminz of colour.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:28am
  - kowtow
    
    NZME’s Steve Braunias ( more like Brown Nose after today’s contribution where he excuses himself on covering it as mental health is no target for satire ) is full of it too.
    
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    January 20, 2024 8:40am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Well you can’t expect much from young professional women apparently.
    
    Clearly extending the suffrage was a mistake, and they need strong male protectors to supervise them and keep them from error…
    
    Even access to higher education may have been an error, now that feelings are more important than facts and evidence.
    
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    January 20, 2024 8:48am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Well, the hopelessly oppressive white supremacist, heterosexual-dominated patriarchal New Zealand culture did turn Golriz into the grrrl she became…
    
    (Has anyone told AOC what became of her protege?)
    
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    January 20, 2024 8:54am
  - imalwaysright
    
    As long as Shaun “handy” Hendy doesn’t run the numbers on how many women are criminals.
    He’d have them all banged up within the week.
    
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    January 20, 2024 8:57am
- Debsta
  
  KDF speaking sense again. The media song sheet on this has been woeful; derelict in their duties as usual.
  
  I tell you this…no high profile well paid individual suddenly starts indulging in such risky behaviour because of stress in their mid-forties.
  
  I strongly suspect GG will have been shoplifting since her early teens and getting away with it, hence had no sense of risk or shame. The video clip clearly shows a well practiced operator.
  
  The entitled playing the victim card (woman, brown, refugee, stress; take your pick!) holds no sway with me, quite the opposite in fact.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:47am
  - Che Guava
    
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    “I strongly suspect GG will have been shoplifting since her early teens and getting away with it, hence had no sense of risk or shame. ”
    
    My politics are not Golriz’s and I am indifferent to her fate, but you have absolutely no grounds at all for extrapolating a handful of incidences in 2023 to speculation about her behaviour over the preceding 30 years.
    
    Possible? Sure, but there are a lot of possible propositions for which we nonetheless have zero evidence.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:31am
    - jedmo
      
      I might have thought like you, until I saw the security cam footage. That’s a polished practitioner, I don’t want to get antisocial here (as in, inimical to our social cohesion) but would-be tealeafs would learn all they need from a master-class like that.
      
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      January 20, 2024 9:51am
      - Che Guava
        
        What exactly did she do? She picked up an item then put in in her bag. Hardly evidence of a diabolical criminal genius. I’m pretty sure any one of us could do that first time out. And she got caught, so there’s that.
        
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        January 20, 2024 10:12am
      - RichardX
        
        Debsta
        ….
        I strongly suspect GG will have been shoplifting since her early teens and getting away with it, hence had no sense of risk or shame. The video clip clearly shows a well practiced operator.
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        JANUARY 20, 2024 8:47AM
        
        jedmo
        I might have thought like you, until I saw the security cam footage. That’s a polished practitioner, I don’t want to get antisocial here (as in, inimical to our social cohesion) but would-be tealeafs would learn all they need from a master-class like that.
        
        JANUARY 20, 2024 9:51AM
        
        I strongly suspect Debsta and Jedmo shoplift on a regular basis.
        
        They demonstrate a knowledge and expertise that does not come from being a mere observer.
        
        See….anyone can make claims if they don’t need actual evidence and use bad reasoning instead.
        
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        January 20, 2024 12:17pm
    - artemisia
      
      Perhaps you have not realised Che Guava that blog posts on social media are not court cases that require forensic evidence. Posters can have an opinion based on whatever grounds they like.
      
      Argue your point but don’t smack other posters by requiring ‘evidence’ for their opinion. After all, it may be based on ‘lived experience’ – sacrosanct these days.
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:02am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Debsta’s view might be opinion, but it is almost certainly a defamatory opinion (unless Debsta can show evidence for the claims).
        I appreciate that there is not much prospect of a law suit, but nevertheless it is DPF who would potentially wear the problem.
        
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        January 20, 2024 10:16am
      - Che Guava
        
        “Posters can have an opinion based on whatever grounds they like.”
        
        They can have an opinion on anything they like, but nobody else should adopt that opinion if there is no evidence backing it up.
        
        And on what “grounds” is Debsta’s opinion based on? Just disliking Golriz, I assume.
        
        What if I tried to post my “opinion” as to someone else’s purported illegal behaviour about which I had no evidence? I’d imagine it wouldn’t be published, and rightly so.
        
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        January 20, 2024 10:19am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Wayne, Golly G should launch legal action against Debsta.
        
        And be laughed out of court.
        
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        January 20, 2024 6:23pm
      - cmm
        
        Wayne: Defamation requires making a false statement of fact or expressing an unreasonable opinion.
        
        Debsta’s statement is clearly expressed as an opinion, not as a statement of fact.
        
        An honest opinion, where the person can prove they have reasonable grounds to make the statement, is not defamatory.
        
        Debsta’s opinion that this looks like a slick, well practiced movement is proof enough that it was a reasonable opinion for Debsta to make.
        
        Debsta might be incorrect. GG might have only shoplifted three times in her life (unlikely, extremely unlikely), but being wrong does not make an opinion defamatory.
        
        Various statistics from various sources suggest that shoplifters get caught somewhere between 2% and 5% of the time. That suggest that for every time a shoplifter is caught they have committed 20 to 50 offences (or they are extremely unskilled and unlucky).
        
        Based on that, the statistics would suggest that someone who has been caught three times has shoplifted somewhere between 60 and 150 times.
        
        That is of course assuming that there have not been other times when the Green party (or others) have dealt with the problem and made it go away.
        
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        January 20, 2024 7:45pm
      - cmm
        
        PS: I am not a lawyer (my alcoholic father was one), and I am not giving legal advice.
        
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        January 20, 2024 9:07pm
    - sirknz
      
      Hope she reads this bro…
      
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      January 20, 2024 11:06am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      You are Iranian Guava? Why wade in here?
      
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      January 20, 2024 6:47pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        By default Che Guava supports the Iranian Golriz Gharaman because she and the Iranian Government support the Palestinians.
        
        All three hate Israel. All three hate Jews. It is evident in their language and stated comments.
        
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        January 20, 2024 9:37pm
    - Sir Henry Morgan
      
      Someone who has apparently been caught shoplifting on three occasions is very unlikely to have only shoplifted on those three occasions. Almost certainly she previously stole from shops without getting caught.
      
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      January 20, 2024 7:02pm
      - cmm
        
        Yup, if she had tried twice and got caught twice, then would she really have given it a third go?
        
        Shoplifters seldom get caught so it is extremely unlikely that GG was caught every time she shoplifted.
        
        Therefore it is a perfectly reasonable opinion that she shoplifted more often than three times.
        
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        January 20, 2024 8:57pm
  - mogg
    
    Just another case of the Greens are at it again.
    A few years back there was the farcical situation of
    Greens co leader Meteria Turei, claiming to represent people in poverty, and having admitted to defrauding the tax payer by telling lies to Social Welfare. Judith Collins pointed out that in Parliament she had a habit of wearing$3500 Claudia Winkleman designer jackets, while claiming to know all about poverty.
    Is Golly the klepto suffering from mental illness when she is calling for the destruction of Israel.
    
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    January 20, 2024 11:01am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Could not agree more.
    The Thrill in her teenage years could not be replaced by other activities, such as joinung the coast guard, volunter fireman, going for a sky dive etc etc.
    Herein lies the problem of living in a big city and an inactive / un stimulated mind.
    I also have zero tollerance for playing the victim.
    A simple pychmetric test would of highlighted any personality disorders.
    Should be compulsary for all politicians.
    
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    January 20, 2024 11:47am
    - Che Guava
      
      Isn’t simply being a politician in itself strongly suggestive of a personality disorder of some kind?
      
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      January 20, 2024 1:09pm
      - mawm
        
        Che – I have often suggested that anyone who wants to be a politician is precisely the kind of person we don’t want as a politician. There are exceptions of course.
        
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        January 20, 2024 1:36pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Mawn, straight out of the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, if I’m not mistaken
        
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        January 20, 2024 6:25pm
      - mawm
        
        Nevermind – I’ve never read it.
        
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        January 20, 2024 8:44pm
  - ecco
    
    A lot of shoplifting and condoning of it starts in the home when a shoplifter is young. When I worked in retail we had a fella (unemployed cuzzy bro) coming in to the shop teaching his preschooler/ primary school children how to shoplift. Caught by the manager eventually and trespassed from entering.
    
    Btw Che could you please state your retail work experience.
    
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    January 20, 2024 12:10pm
    - Che Guava
      
      How would one’s retail work experience have anything to do with the truth of the reasonable proposition that claims require supporting evidence, particularly claims involving speculation about decades of illegal behaviour for which there is no evidence?
      
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      January 20, 2024 1:14pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Guava: “How would one’s retail work experience have anything to do with the truth of the reasonable proposition that claims require supporting evidence, particularly claims involving speculation about decades of illegal behaviour for which there is no evidence?”
        
        Years of observing repeat offenders would have something to do with it I’m thinking.
        
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        January 20, 2024 9:46pm
  - Debsta
    
    A few have climbed in I see. I would point out…
    – My opinion is no more outrageous than the blind acceptance of “mental health made me do it”
    – I suspect DPF and his moderators see it the same
    – No I don’t shoplift, but if I was going to try it for the first second or third time I doubt I’d look that calm and accomplished doing it
    – Where is the ‘evidence’ to support her stress defense
    – She had a choice, she chose to steal.
    – No I don’t like her politics, but I’m not a hater
    Just calling it as I see it.
    
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    January 20, 2024 12:54pm
    - artemisia
      
      Seems to be more demands for ‘evidence’ lately, strangely on rather selected issues. And in some cases those same people offer ‘evidence’ also rather carefully selected.
      
      I’m sure the mods keep a good eye out, and there is also the Report button for those who take the hall monitor role seriously. Or do I mean selectively?
      
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      January 20, 2024 1:23pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Don’t reasonable people have a right to see the evidence to verify a claim before they believe it?
        
        For instance, I believe the claim that “GG shoplifted from Scotties Boutique on 23rd December” because I have seen the evidence for this claim.
        
        By contrast, nobody has any justification for believing the claim (characterised as Debsta’s “strong suspicion”) that “GG will have been shoplifting since her early teens and getting away with it” because nobody can verify this claim because there is no evidence in favour of it.
        
        It is common for claims, like this one, to be made for political reasons that are unsupported by any evidence. Until there is evidence, they are, quite literally, unevidenced assertions.
        
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        January 20, 2024 2:05pm
      - cmm
        
        Che: Debsta is not making a claim, but is stating an opinion or suspicion. Big difference.
        
        And Debsta has stated very reasonable grounds on which to express that opinion or suspicion.
        
        Debsta has not made any claim (ie. an assertion that something is true), but has clearly expressed that this is an opinion/suspicion and not a statement of fact.
        
        And I must agree that I hold the same opinion for the reasons specified – as well as others – most notably that shoplifters are seldom caught, therefore it would be extremely unlikely that GG tried three times and got caught every time.
        
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        January 20, 2024 9:05pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Guava: “By contrast, nobody has any justification for believing the claim (characterised as Debsta’s “strong suspicion”) that “GG will have been shoplifting since her early teens and getting away with it” because nobody can verify this claim because there is no evidence in favour of it.”
        
        Given what we do know, it’s probably worth scratching around to see if the suspicion of Debsta is actually a reality. Do we know if there is a pattern of telling porkies? A person with a history of porkies, caught red handed shop lifting, apparently on more than one occasion? Must not dare suspect any further aberrant behaviour?
        
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        January 20, 2024 9:49pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      Debsta – agreed, but…..defence!!!! Not “defense”. (It matters, because incorrect spelling undermines credibility).
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:11pm
      - Debsta
        
        Thanks Jules, I 100% agree it matters, and disappointed I didn’t catch that.
        
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        January 20, 2024 11:15pm
  - mogg
    
    They are no longer the Media, just left wing propaganda outlets.
    
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    January 20, 2024 2:01pm
Yvette

• “We’ll support it to the select committee as per the coalition agreement. That gives everybody the opportunity to discuss these issues, but that’s as far as our support is,” said Goldsmith.

No. Maori Party releases leaked information not yet seen by Cabinet.
That hi-iacks King’s Hui today. Will lead to some call for action
Without “giving everybody the opportunity to discuss these issues”
Racial/cultural strife will ensue

“The challenge we’ve put to the prime minister today is will he succumb to the attack dogs of the National party and ACT as they fan the flames of racism and anti-Māori sentiments, and throw us under the bus for the sake of keeping alive three waters?” – Tukoroirangi Morgan
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/483604/iwi-leaders-warn-hipkins-not-to-bow-on-three-waters-co-governance

Iwi leaders have accused National and ACT of “fanning the flames of racism”, urging the prime minister [Hipkins] to be brave and not walk away from partnership on three waters.

And that was before (3 February 2023) the Election, the shelving of Willie’s edited muddle and the leaking yesterday of the National coalition’s DRAFT document.
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January 20, 2024 8:06am
- JJ56
  
  The leak from the Ministry of Justice has nothing to do with National or the coalition, but was the doodlings of some junior woke public servant with an agenda. No one else’s view, not even the Ministry of Justice’s.
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:06am
- Damocles11
  
  Saying a referendum is likely to be ‘contentious’ is like saying that rain is likely to be wet. Didn’t stop OneEwes from making it their breathless lead story though.
  
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  January 20, 2024 1:24pm
Yvette

• Labour called 72 hui – among selective and targeted Maori Elite.
Willie Jackson was filtering the response to be acceptable to his Cabinet colleagues.
The work is incomplete prior to the Election
So it is shelved, hidden from view, on a shelf somewhere
No OIA release so there it waits.

Meanwhile ACT’s DRAFT is leaked publicly, nation wide by still-stunned media and receives full Maori incitement today
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January 20, 2024 8:08am
- cas
  
  Anyone know why He Puapua hasn’t been released?
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:24am
  - Yvette
    
    He Puapua has been released –
    https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiXiPKwv-qDAxU9jGMGHYNODB0QFnoECBoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tpk.govt.nz%2Fdocuments%2Fdownload%2Fdocuments-1732-A%2FProactive%2520release%2520He%2520Puapua.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1TN6NdXuvnKypkeRcfm3pa&opi=89978449
    
    It is Willie Jackson’s editing of the Elite’s response which is still under Election wraps
    I would have thought David and Winston would have found it by now, or likely have and are keeping it as ammo to be fired later
    
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    January 20, 2024 11:30am
- JJ56
  
  To repeat, it ain’t ACT’s draft, it’s something someone unimportant made up.
  
  Really useful for those trying to feed racial division or sell clicks though.
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:10am
Chuck Bird

The idea that we should replace one climate change alarmist with another is mad. It would not surprise me if Luxon thinks that it is a good idea. Let us hope that Seymour and Peters say no way. Someone like Barry Brill would be a good choice.

Is it time for James Shaw to bail out? – Fran O’Sullivan

Dr Rod Carr will step down as commissioner at the Climate Change Commission this year.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/is-it-time-for-james-shaw-to-bail-out-fran-osullivan/ILBEBAH22BGVHLDHQ4GK2YNCDQ/
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January 20, 2024 8:10am
- Taieri
  
  There is a minister for climate change, a minister for environment and a minister of conservation. Why do we even need Climate Change Commission and commissioners as well? At the same time there’s a great shortage of bus drivers and fruit pickers.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:19am
- cmm
  
  Shaw has options. I would not be surprised if he heads off as a consultant to help his billionaire brother in law, Rob Hersov, negotiate corporate greenwashing.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:26am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    It is the Nick Clegg exit strategy. He will be an “asset” to any board looking to attach a veneer of respectability. Perhaps he could go work for a cobalt mining company?
    
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    January 20, 2024 8:50am
    - coge
      
      I’m sure BP could find a good use for Shaw.
      
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      January 20, 2024 9:40am
  - Damocles11
    
    Shaw is a fraud with a fake degree. Just another ‘Green’ without ethics or a conscience.
    
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    January 20, 2024 1:25pm
  - cmm
    
    Shaw might not have a degree, but he has connections and, it would seem, no scruples.
    
    Last I saw, Rob Hersov is developing a new airport in South Africa and also has a private jet, so I’m sure little Jimmy would feel at home.
    
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    January 20, 2024 1:38pm
- Matt Long
  
  I don’t know lf the wet section in National will have the influence to appoint Shaw to the Climate Change Commission, or as a climate ambassador.
  Perhaps a fellowship to Harvard beckons?
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:28am
- JJ56
  
  Carr had to go given what NZ First and Act have said of him.
  
  Shaw isn’t what’s needed. The purposes of the Commission are—
  (a) to provide independent, expert advice to the Government on mitigating climate change (including through reducing emissions of greenhouse gases) and adapting to the effects of climate change; and
  (b) to monitor and review the Government’s progress towards its emissions reduction and adaptation goals.
  
  Last thing needed is someone who has a horse in the race.
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:20am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “Carr had to go given what NZ First and Act have said of him.”
    
    Please tell us with source if possible.
    
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    January 20, 2024 1:11pm
Opie

The provisional net migration gain of 127,400 in the November 2023 year comprised a net gain of 171,900 non-citizens.

But there was a net migration loss of 44,500 New Zealand citizens.

That net migration loss was provisionally a new annual record, greater than previous record of 44,400 in the February 2012 year.

An estimated net 44,978 citizens of India arrived, 34,268 from the Philippines, 16,408 from China, 9854 from Fiji and 8319 from South Africa.

For the year ended June 2023, Stats NZ recorded a provisional net migration loss of 21,100 people to Australia.

That comprised 19,500 migrant arrivals from Australia to New Zealand, and 40,600 migrant departures heading in the opposite direction

While I am happy that this will likely have a positive effect on my property values, is it really a good thing?

It’s massively covering up the damage done to the economy over the last 6 years but its certainly no longer the nz I used to know.
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January 20, 2024 8:12am
- John Loveridge
  
  What are 45,000 Indians all doing now they’re here? Driving Ubers?
  
  Why aren’t Maoris screaming about this new wave of colonization?
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:22am
  - Che Guava
    
    They’re here to change the demographics from European to non-European. They are being brought here as a policy.
    
    While we are indoctrinated to believe that white identity is evil that should be avoided at all cost (in contrast to any and all other racial or ethnic identities), a sense of white identity will necessarily grow as a direct consequence of Europeans increasingly seeing themselves as being distinct.
    
    In large European-majority nations, people have hitherto not really appreciated what they are. When high levels of difference are introduced, that will change. It will be an appreciation of the difference of others that leads to an appreciation of similarity between ourselves.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:50am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Most likely seeded by the Soviet Union and continued by the sea see pee.
      
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      January 20, 2024 7:04pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      I actually agree with you here, Che. NZ Europeans (I am one) have been complacent about our heritage and culture and taken it for granted for too long – because we have been a large majority. Compare and contrast with white South Africans, particularly Afrikaners – who have preserved a strong identity precisely because they have always felt (understandably) that they face an existential threat.
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:15pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    We could not deliver IT and telecommunications services at all without immigrants from India and the Philippines. To get highly skilled workers who will contribute to NZ for 40 years and some other country funded their education, is a huge net benefit to us.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:59am
    - kowtow
      
      Or food and beveridge .
      
      ‘A young migrant who worked long hours for free at a Central Otago hospitality business says she felt “like a prisoner” during her nine months in the job.
      The company which owns the Criterion Club in Alexandra – along with one of its mangers – have been ordered to pay the woman $34,270 in wages, arrears, interest and penalties.’
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/migrant-worker-felt-prisoner-alexandra-job
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:04am
    - Che Guava
      
      Why can’t we produce our own? How about we ditch the immigration policy and start training New Zealanders.
      
      The main impetus to mass immigration into European countries, aside from making those countries less white and therefore less likely to resist the increasing globalisation of politics, is that the graph has to keep going up constantly: more people means more consumption and higher asset prices.
      
      The system is predicated on constant growth, and would collapse if left to natural cycles, so it needs to be artificially “inflated” constantly. And we all know what eventually happens when you over-inflate the “ball” that is society.
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:06am
      - septic skeptic
        
        In order to train our own we would first need to have some genius invent a new programming language incorporating an equitable amount of te Reo as required by te tiriti principles..
        
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        January 20, 2024 12:30pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Agree on this Guava. Do keep in mind that the world pop is likely to level off (around 9 billion) as poverty continues to diminish.
        
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        January 20, 2024 8:14pm
    - artemisia
      
      Don’t forget the health sector. We have had a lot of tenants from the Philippines working in health. As they have continuous employment assume they are good at their jobs.
      
      I don’t need to assume they are good tenants. 100% they are so far, and generally only leave when they are ready to buy their own home or need more room.
      
      So with that experience over a number of years guess who is more likely to be made an offer. And who is more likely not to be made an offer.
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:13am
      - rouppe
        
        Correct. I have been a landlord since 1995. Sold my last rental property at the end of last year. That’s 28 years experience.
        
        Never any problems with Filipino, Indian or Euro tenants. Prioritised accordingly
        
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        January 20, 2024 9:16pm
  - Opie
    
    Running all the pizza huts, subways and petrol stations while we have 100’s of thousands of “kiwis” too lazy to do so.
    
    I just wish they would learn customer service instead of looking at you like a piece of garbage when you enter their store
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:38am
    - Che Guava
      
      Do we really want to be importing a population of people who, frequently but not necessarily, have contempt for Europeans, or even see us as actively responsible for the poor conditions in their homelands which they were sufficiently dissatisfied with to emigrate? We’re importing interracial antagonism, which to some degree, exists in any attempted multiracial society.
      
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      January 20, 2024 1:49pm
- Che Guava
  
  “While I am happy that this will likely have a positive effect on my property values, is it really a good thing?”
  
  Is that even a question? Who cares about your property value (completely distorted as it is due to policy of continual mass immigration) if the social fabric is irrevocably altered as a consequence of the factor that increases its (nominal) value? You’ll have a valuable house in an unrecognisable Indo-Asian society.
  
  There’s probably a lot of people out there who think of themselves as “capitalist” champions of the free market whose capital accumulation is actually mostly a consequence of decades of governmental manipulation of the economy.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:42am
- hullkiwi
  
  No, generally those that left had higher skill sets than those that arrived. For example in the numbers arriving are 2,000 bus drivers, all of who required up to 7 weeks training. Some of whom have since moved to other jobs (questionable) or just been no good, so the companies are still recruiting abroad.
  
  Some of those arriving do have the high levels of skill/qualifications required, but many don’t, if you look at the numbers of recent immigrants taking non skilled low paying work.
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:34am
- Jack5
  
  Opie’s ….While I am happy that this will likely have a positive effect on my property values, is it really a good thing?
  
  There has been a huge immigration surge by international standards.
  
  One effect has been to reduce NZ’s GDP per capita by 0.9 per cent in the September quarter. NZ is already ranked 42nd for GDP per capita. That’s behind Australia, which is 30th, and the UK, which is 35th.
  
  There are reports that the NZ health system is finding it hard to recruit medical professionals in competition with other countries. Meanwhile NZ brings in a flood of Uber drivers, kitchen hands, and liquor shop workers.
  
  The UN estimates there are 35 million refugees, including 5.4 million asylum seekers. The UN estimates that 108.4 million people round the world have been forced to flee their homes.
  
  The open-border mob and the crooks within our immigration system can easily bring in millions more.
  
  https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/who-we-are/figures-glance
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:04pm
Yvette

• “We support co-management between government and Māori for natural resources in the context of Treaty settlements. We do not support co-governance of public services or separate bureaucratic systems for Māori and non-Māori,” Luxon said.

“Labour has progressed a divisive agenda and continually failed to set out its views clearly. It is disappointing to see the new Prime Minister try to shut down the discussion rather than clearly setting out Labour’s plans for the public to judge.”

No, Labour’s “work” is not examined
Rather, a DRAFT version, unseen by the new Cabinet, is thrown before the nation by the Maori Party for Maori to incite their response already.
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January 20, 2024 8:13am
Tomtoddy

Another “crying wolf” weather event. For the last week the climate catastrophists, the weather forecasters and the media have been beating us up and especially the folk on the West Coast with “atmospheric rivers”, “deluges”, “red alerts”, plus road closures, people on standby and more.

Its fine and sunny after a moderately heavy rain over night.
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January 20, 2024 8:16am
- Grunter
  
  “It’s going to rain on the West Coast” is not news.
  
  Heat warning “It’s going to be 29 degrees today”
  
  It’s such an obvious scam! But so many are still sucked into the cult of global boiling.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:38am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Yes the NIWA people must be so disappointed, first the el Nino drought didn’t show up and the regular weather bombs aren’t either.
  
  Hope the people doing the review of the future of nz weather forecasting are taking notes
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:52am
  - cas
    
    It would be great to see a real journalist identify all the pronouncements by NIWA for the last 6 months and compare them to what actually happened. Or perhaps the last year even.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:26am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Ian Wishart.
      
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      January 20, 2024 9:55pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right Tomtoddy seems the Metservice panties got wetter than the Coast and for just a predicted 800mm in the ranges with 200mm at sea level. It would be funny if it wasn’t for the fact it is just more click bait creating panic, fear and stress for those who don’t better. It is a challenge to find much real NEWS among the bulk of opinion pieces that are heralded by fake headlines. It usually signaled by a lack of pictorial content and some childish graphics or old file pics.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:03am
- Jade Warrior
  
  As I know from growing up in Hokitika, the whole landscape of the West Coast has adapted to tolerate massive amounts of rainfall. If you have walked on a West Coast lawn, you will have noticed that the ground is almost sponge-like, well adapted to absorbing moisture.
  
  Of course, too much rain and rivers will burst their banks etc just like everywhere else, but in the media’s (and I suspect Metservice and NIWA’s) attempts to try and prove we are living in a climate emergency, we see the now recurring theme of weather events being hyped up to demonstrate that the end of the world is nigh.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:04am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘rivers will burst their banks etc ‘
    
    Yep . We constantly refer to “disasters” such as that when rivers do .And it is for people’s lives , homes , businesses etc .
    
    What we all need to remember is that a flood is a natural state for a river to be in ,when there’s a lot of rain. The issue is we come along and build banks and bridges along and over the river and come to think that that is a “normal” condition ,which of course it’s not .
    
    Man needs to learn he has only a very tenuous “control” over nature.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:24am
- gravedodger
  
  Rakaia River running over 1200 cusecs at the gorge this morning, that is over a million liters every second.
  
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  January 20, 2024 11:07am
  - CJames
    
    Cusecs or cumecs? There is a big difference.
    
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    January 20, 2024 4:10pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The highest rainfall total I can find (I don’t really know where to look) is this…
  https://envirodata.wcrc.govt.nz/dashboards/rainfall/rainfall.php#1
  (Select Cropp Rv at Waterfall)
  Which shows a bit over 300mm – nowhere near the predicted 800mm, which would have been getting close to a record.
  
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  January 20, 2024 1:02pm
- Master Mariner
  
  I dont normally support NIWA , NOAA, UNMO.
  But in all fairness , With the advent of ever changing technology, The ability of the climate changers ( Forecasters) to actually interpret this information accurately is very Poor.
  Ie The technology is far supperior in the abilities too interpret accurately.
  More so here in NZ, Where we get the “Low hanging fruit” from the States.
  What we really need is more Rain radars and Tsunami early warning bouys and more importantly Open Source the Data .etc.etc.
  In addition NZ Meteorology forecasters instead of the Climate Changers.
  
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  January 20, 2024 2:41pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

They’re pulling these numbers out of their collective arse.

‘The projected costs include $93 million lower car maintenance costs, which will be forgone by scrapping the discounts (because EVs need less maintenance), $138 million in fuel savings, plus improvements in air quality that would have saved $224 million on health costs.

The benefits of scrapping the policy include saving the country $177 million in car prices, $37 million lower administration costs for Waka Kotahi and $15 million lower compliance costs for businesses, the analysis says.’.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/507115/scrapping-clean-car-discount-will-cost-twice-what-it-saves-transport-officials
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January 20, 2024 8:17am
- Taieri
  
  So, if they do away with discounts the maintenance costs will increase, fuel savings will somehow disappear and improvements in air quality will be negated? Strange thinking indeed.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:34am
- NothingLeft
  
  Yep, total horse shit. Second hand imports are far better for NZ economy (benefiting our woeful current account deficit) as well as Green religious adherents with lowered CO2 production because NZ is using coal to provide electricity to satisfy EV charging demand.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:36am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Yup. Even assuming the figures themselves are accurate, they’re being misrepresented.
  
  The reduced maintenance costs and fuel savings are private benefits which accrue only to the owners of EVs. There is no public benefit, so no reason to spend public money on them.
  
  Savings from improved air quality are a public benefit, but could be achieved in other, less costly ways. The same money would buy more emissions reduction if it were spent on buying ETS units and then not using them.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:42am
Grunter

Another good speech at Davos “you are part of the problem” – letting rip on the global central planner wannabes !

https://modernity.news/2024/01/19/video-conservative-speaker-slams-davos-globalists-to-their-faces/
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January 20, 2024 8:18am
- Master Mariner
  
  Great speech, Actually posted that yesterday.
  I wish i could of seen the faces of those that attended.
  
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  January 20, 2024 12:04pm
pdm

Is sending Minister Tama Potaka and Dan Bidois to the Maori Kings talkfest at Ngaruawahia Luxon’s first really big mistake?

As far as I can see this is nothing more than an Activist driven gathering with Maori elitists Tuku Morgan, Willie Jackson, Maori Party Leaders, Margaret Mutu, Hone Harawira and others setting the agenda and running the cutter.

All I can see is Luxon setting up his two representatives for an ear bashing and ongoing abuse.

It is difficult to see anything worthwhile emanating from this gathering. All members of the Governing coalition should stay miles away from it.

After all Ratana and Waitangi are both only days or a few weeks away. Ratana in particular will be far more civilised and respectful to the Government of the day.
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January 20, 2024 8:20am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Governments govern for everyone, not just those who elect them. The fact that this is being hosted by Kingi Tuheitia makes it all the more imperative that ministers attend, since it will be a pan iwi gathering. Yes, they will get an earful, particularly from younger Maori.
  
  Ministers from different governments attend meetings and events where they know they will not be among their supporters. It is part of the job to front up.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:28am
  - kowtow
    
    Ah so .
    
    On that basis the Nats in Chch who were vilely targetted by the pro Hamas horrors yesterday should have actually joined them in screaming and screeching.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:00am
    - Che Guava
      
      How do you get from Wayne’s idea of just “fronting up” to “join[ing]” them?
      
      You seem to believe that anything less than complete support for the thing you endorse equals complete support for the thing you oppose, which, despite its rhetorical value, is an obvious false dichotomy.
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:55am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Is Kingi his name or the maorification of King?
    
    Should have called himself the Fresh Prince of Huntly.
    
    More culturally accurate at least.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:10am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Nothing fresh about that old derelict.
      
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      January 20, 2024 9:25am
    - pdm
      
      I bet his mother, the late Maori Queen Dame Te Atairangikaahu would not have allowed her name or position to be hi jacked like he has.
      
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      January 20, 2024 9:32am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Kīngi/Kiingi is the Te Reo-derived spelling of King.
      
      His legal/birth name is Tūheitia Paki
      
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      January 20, 2024 12:58pm
  - Cassandra
    
    And of course Helen Clark attended every Business Round Table event. Wayne: while governments should govern for everybody the fact is that they don’t, they govern in accordance with the policies they were elected on ie largely favouring their own supporters and voters. That’s democracy. Luxon is probably right to send two Maori Nats to this gathering but make no mistake, Tuheita is assembling a fighting force – they are there to plan an attack, not to have a respectful debate. He and Peters and Seymour have made the right decision to stay away.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:17am
    - pdm
      
      Cass – I don’t think the King is assembling a fighting force.
      
      Willie Jackxon, Tuku Morgan, The Maori Party leaders and other activists are doing that, in his name.
      
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      January 20, 2024 9:35am
      - muzled
        
        Keep your friends close, and you enemies closer?
        
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        January 20, 2024 10:23am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Would the PM turn up to a meeting of NZ’s Catholic bishops on request? Bishop Pompallier was at the signing of the treaty, after all.
    
    What about the NZ Racing Conference? The horse bizzo is popular around the country.
    
    The Tainui King movement represents just one iwi interest group. Yes, they have opened the door to others, but as Mr Luxon has commented, this is a for-Maori event.
    
    Consider the counter factual. If Jaxxie was still PM, I’d be bracing myself for a faux apology & a brave captain’s call.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:18am
  - lifesgood
    
    Wayne, it is not pan Maori. Many, many Iwi disapprove of the king movement.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:27am
  - cas
    
    Who takes over after King Tuheitia pops his clogs?
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:28am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Prince Tuku
      
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      January 20, 2024 9:36am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Captain Underpants?
        
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        January 20, 2024 9:54pm
    - OlderChas
      
      Think about it. The family is Mahuta – right?
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:48am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Possibly his daughter…Ngawaihonoitepo.
      
      (There’s been a public falling-out with the eldest son)
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/fallout-between-the-maori-king-and-his-son-grows-wider-after-the-public-condemnation-of-the-marriage-hits-the-headlines/
      
      The younger son has had convictions for driving offences and domestic violence, and got off convictions for burglary and theft.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114032045/maori-kings-son-sentenced-after-punching-partner
      
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      January 20, 2024 1:11pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Every family has its Prince Andrew
        
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        January 20, 2024 6:34pm
  - wsk12345
    
    Yeah it was their job to front to the thousands of protesters at parliament too. But they didn’t.
    
    And he’s not a king. What a load of wokeist BS.
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:16am
  - Damocles11
    
    Wayne, as far as I know the ‘Kingi’ represents Tainui and a few other Iwi, and is at the level of a ‘Paramount Chief’. Maori did not historically have King’s, so the movement is nothing more than a bit of cultural appropriation that did not succeed on its originating purpose: to unite all Maori under one sovereign.
    So why should the government attend every time a chief calls meeting?
    
    Moreover, why should government representatives attend when the Ratana Church (cult), which represents about 48,000 people, has its annual get together?
    
    In the past Prime Ministers have not attended Waitangi commemorations at the marae up there, due to the hostility emanating from Maori groups. Speaking rights have sometimes been withdrawn for PM’s.
    
    What are the Maori ‘up in arms’ about anyway, and what purpose will grovelling at their feet serve?
    
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    January 20, 2024 1:39pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Tear up and give away the nation’s silver AGAIN?
    
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    January 20, 2024 8:16pm
- Paulus
  
  It would be considered worse if no Government MPs went.
  The media use any excuse to flog the Government all the time.
  Am sure as I would I could get a good feed, a beer and shut my ears for the day to the whingers, exacerbated by the fawning media.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:36am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Good feed? Hangi food is dreadful.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:39am
    - gravedodger
      
      Yep yip that is what it is NothingLeft. Davos Menu with Caviar and Wagyu beef. sounds much better
      
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      January 20, 2024 11:12am
- artemisia
  
  Hey, I’m sure hui attendees will be highly respectful of duly elected representatives, including a senior Minister. Simply because of the Golden Rules –
  
  1. Treat others as you wish to be treated, and
  2. The one with the gold ….
  
  If some attendees are disrespectful, names will quietly be taken. There will be a list.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:39am
- Tony Stuart
  
  No, it’s not a mistake at all. Potaka in particular is well known to Tainui, and whilst he and Bidois will get an earbashing, they will be able to feed back to Luxon a much more accurate summation of what is said than if he relied on an increasingly breathless news media.
  
  Tama Potaka is the guy dealing with Maori issues on a daily basis, so it makes complete sense for him to be there. Dan Bidois chairs the Maori Affairs select committee, and they are the ones who will hear submissions into Seymour’s Treaty Bill. They are the right picks.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:40am
  - Observer of Life
    
    For a second there I read Tony’s last sentence as “they are the right pricks”. My bad.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:48am
  - Jigsaw
    
    Tama Potaka wrote a thesis for his law degree in 1999. Makes for interesting reading- reads like a draft of He Puapua with statements like ‘there should be guaranteed Maori representation on councils.’ Read it and weep : entitled ‘A Treaty Agendum for Local Government.’
    National selected this man.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:52am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Fortunately, Tama Potaka’s thesis was easy to find, but, for those who are interested, as I am, this link makes it easier: https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/law/research/publications/about-nzacl/publications/nzacl-yearbooks/yearbook-4,-1998/Potaka.pdf.
      
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      January 20, 2024 11:01am
- pdm
  
  Wayne and Inv.
  
  While the gathering has been called in the name of the Maori King there is no way he is in charge of the Agenda.
  
  This is nothing more than a meeting of Activists with an agenda against the Coalition Government and for feathering their own nests. The betterment of Maori in the street is far from their minds.
  
  I say give it a wide berth.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:48am
  - Clyde
    
    This so-called East Polynesian King is certainly not running the narrative. Underpants Morgan is in control, ably assisted by strident troughers such as little Willie Jackson and that Margaret Mutu who seems to me the most hate-filled woman in the country. Luxon has little choices but he has made the wise ones. Hopefully they will sit in the background and faithfully record the rantings from the mob so that no-one will have to rely on the MSM to portray what was actually said.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:13am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Not really, if the locals behave like dicks, we will see, and Luxon will be busy washing his hair ans unable to make Te tii for Waitangi day.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:54am
- Tomtoddy
  
  It will be interesting to see who turns up at Tuku’s bunfight from Ngai Tahu, if anyone, in any official capacity. They have never been involved in the King movement. Rather they have tried to discount its effectiveness behind the scenes. Same with Ngati Porou and several other Iwi.
  
  The MSM will not explain that – they just make out that it is pan-Māori.
  
  There is no more Māori view than there is a Chinese view among Chinese people here in NZ or an Indian view.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:02am
  - JJ56
    
    And note Ngai Tahu got to chat with the PM as well as the Maori King. Definitely opportunities to work with one, and contain the other’s excesses.
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I can see today turning into a good oldtime punchup. The messsages have been sent out by JT, Willie, and Mair.
  It won’t take much to spark it, Police or not.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:06am
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    
    You won’t see any of those three in the fray. They will be well away from danger, happy to let the women and teenagers do the deed.
    
    If it does turn violent then at least we get to see their true colours.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:19am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Of course they won’t be there, they are cowards.
      All hooey and no dooey.
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:25am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  When this gabfest takes place and the Govt representatives are insulted and abused it will show these “activists” in their true light and they will start losing any support they have.
  
  If they are insulted at today’s gabfest then the PM should say “We will not go to Ratana or Waitangi if we will be treated like this.”
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:08am
- Piniwi
  
  Not really as it gives Potaka something to do as the uncle tom inclusion in the team. He is about as much use as a chocolate teapot and safer stowed in his current role than anything serious.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:16am
- nathie
  
  On ZB news this morning King Tuheitia’s chief of staff, Ngira Simmonds is saying it is a gathering for discussion and not for political grandstanding (or words to that effect) and that a statement from King Tuheitia on the outcome of the gathering will be released in due course.
  
  Of course motor mouth Willie (Jackson), the racist TPM party and radical Maori activists being interviewed by TV news (as supposedly being the voice of Maori) are going full-on feral rhetoric … backed by a hostile tv news media (hostile against the Govt).
  
  So in theory it is a gathering for discussion … so suggest if the MSM continue to misrepresent these intentions of King Tuheitia and instead continue to promote divisive radicalism that the Govt sack the Boards of the public broadcasters as signal for the broadcast management to pull their activist journo heads in and then back it up with legislation for the public (tax payer funded) broadcasters to have impartial reporting and balanced left/right views. (The privates will soon follow suit themselves as audiences, thus eyes on advertising, follows the balance).
  
  I was totally appalled and disgusted by last night’s TV news coverage – rampant one-sided divisive radicalism by journos have overstepped the boundaries and there needs to be consequences.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:28am
  - Damocles11
    
    It seems like only Maori journalists are allowed to report on Treaty matters. Seems quite racist to me, surely the Treaty impacts on us all. The message from the media is “you don’t count” it seems.
    
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    January 20, 2024 1:42pm
- Unity
  
  How can we have two Kings? We already have King Charles. Way back in the day Maori didn’t have Kings – only Chiefs and there was never ever one person overall in charge. They couldn’t agree with one another and were constantly fighting each other. Surely having two Kings is impossible and this must be made very clear instead of patronising these people. Today’s reinvented meaning of the Treaty is ridiculous and causing us all to live under a great big lie.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:34am
  - kowtow
    
    Whenever some fool does a haka and someone os “offended” te media run off and find some activist to condemn the ‘cultural appropriation”.
    
    Perhaps te media could get someone from the NZ monarchist movement to be offended at the Maori cultural appropriation of the European concept of monarchy ……
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    According to Te Tirity o Waitangi, Rangatira translates to King.//
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How can we have two Kings?
    
    We don’t, Unity.
    
    Mr Paki has no more sway over thee or me than any other NZ citizen.
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:42am
    - Taieri
      
      Mr Paki has no more sway over thee or me than any other NZ citizen.
      ———-
      
      Calling His Majesty “Mr Paki” borders on sedition.
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:45am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        So what?
        
        Sedition isn’t illegal in NZ.
        
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        January 20, 2024 1:27pm
  - Taieri
    
    How can we have two Kings? We already have King Charles.
    ———-
    
    His Majesty Dr Tūheitia Pōtatau Te Wherowhero VII, who ascended to the Throne in 2006, is our proper monarch.
    Being a republican myself, I’m His faithful subject and one of his greatest fans.
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:44am
  - Cassandra
    
    He’s not a king, he’s a kiingi and just for Waikato. Many tribes ignore him. Te Heuheu is much the senior. KC3 is our sole King.
    
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    January 20, 2024 12:34pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is sending Minister Tama Potaka and Dan Bidois to the Maori Kings talkfest at Ngaruawahia Luxon’s first really big mistake?
  
  Not at all.
  
  Tama Potaka provides the lie to the activists’ claims that National is trying to do away with Maori and their “rights”.
  
  He knows and has been a pivotal member of the Waikato-Tainui megabusiness.
  
  https://www.national.org.nz/tamapotaka
  
  Luxon is using his “chess” pieces well at this start of the “game”.
  
  You don’t expose your King unnecessarily.
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No, wait for Potaka snd Bidios to be slammed by Māori elite, then next time Luxon can simply say they were not respected and won’t return, he will do the same at Waitangi, and won’t be back, he probably will be treated respectfully at Ratana, because that is the usual way
  
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  January 20, 2024 12:35pm
Jack5

Stuff continues to reject, and now reject almost hysterically, the people’s choice of a new government with a new direction.

The newspaper chain is in a long tantrum about alleged threats to the Treaty of Waitangi, despite assurance from Luxon thats ACT’s very moderate policy won’t be supported beyond Parliamentary committee stage.

Stuff’s biased promotion of the meeting convened by Waikato Maori will feed rumours that Maori money has somehow sustained the struggling newspaper chain. (It seems to have never left the financial brink since the Australian owner gave it away for $1.)

Even if the “Maori money” rumour were true, and that’s an ultra-long shot, it wouldn’t explain State television bias against the newly elected government. The horses on this wagon have bolted down the left turn in the news road. The old nags have single blinkers – on right eyes only.

Why the enthusiasm about the Maori talkathon? Perhaps there’s a clue in the “letter of owner expectations for TVNZ” from then Broadcasting Minister, Wily-Willie Jackson, in April last year. It includes this:

“The media system plays a key role in protecting and promoting te reo Māori and tikanga Māori. The Crown accepts that it has an obligation to take reasonable steps to actively protect and promote te reo Māori me ngā tikanga Māori, including through broadcast media.”

The State needs to get out of TV and radio broadcasting. It needs little more than a national emergency radio network – linked to cellphone and internet warning systems – and perhaps shortwave propaganda broadcasting to Pacific Islands.
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January 20, 2024 8:20am
- jedmo
  
  Stuff in that article also offensively calls it a right wing government. I wouldn’t even call it a centre right government but that’s a label that at least would show they weren’t blatantly biased. Stuff hates me for having voted for this.
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:05am
- Damocles11
  
  I will not buy any products advertised on either Stuff or The New Zealand Herald. If company’s wish to align themselves with Leftists then they will lose customers.
  
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  January 20, 2024 1:52pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Indians on Indians again.

Which of our $1 journalists will do the analysis that proves that Sub Continental immigrants and the food trade are not a good combo?

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/507112/migrant-worker-felt-like-a-prisoner-working-long-hours-for-free-at-hospitality-job
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January 20, 2024 8:20am
Yvette

• The Great Misinterpratation
Tania Page: Te reo isn’t a ‘policy’ you can just switch off
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/20/tania-page-te-reo-isnt-a-policy-you-can-just-switch-off/
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January 20, 2024 8:21am
- Piniwi
  
  What a joke Yvette seeing this as the lead “article” on New Shub today and only trumped by: Headline Newshub/Teao Maori
  “Outrage from around New Zealand over leaked draft Treaty principles document.” Yes and even more outrage from the majority over yet another leaked document. It is apparent that with so many diversity hires in the public service they will continue to leak like a sieve.
  But lets start the cleanup by saying Cherio to Tereo and redirecting all that money wasted on it’s life support to something essential. Perhaps the health sector where specialist waiting lists are growing at a faster rate than even the state house waiting lists.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:34am
Matt Long

5.5 tons towing, 4.5 in Australia for the Toyota Tundra Right Hand Drive.
Will the hybrid get a clean car discount?
https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/toyota-tundra-ute-leaves-hilux-in-its-dust/news-story/24c5ef971900fc387b94a7e3807cc693
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January 20, 2024 8:23am
artemisia

Another Wellington council that cannot seem to manage its costs and thus rates revenue.

Kapiti CC cost blowout – I think what the below is saying is that 2 months ago the council stll thought the estimated cost of that work was $5.9m per the LTP and 2 months later it has tripled. Or more. If $5.9m was in the LTP, has anyone been reviewing costs since then, and letting ratepayers how the estimate tripled in well less than 3 years? And apparently nobody noticed.

Maybe that climate and environment subcommittee was busy with other priorities, that didn’t include watching OPM.

A report to the council’s climate and environment subcommittee in November last year said $5.9 million had been allocated in the Long-Term Plan to build a pavilion and to work alongside sports codes to “develop an operating model to meet recreation outcomes”. But as further information came to light about the site, the estimate had risen to $17.15m – and there were other price hikes too.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/otaraua-park-development-on-hold-due-to-price-hikes-more-needed-to-curb-antisocial-behaviour/
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January 20, 2024 8:30am
- waripori
  
  Scrapping something because you realise it will cost three time as much as you had been told and you can no longer pay for it seems like a good decision to me. Similar to what the Government did with the new ferries. Pity Wellington CC did not take that approach with the town hall.
  
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  January 20, 2024 11:53am
  - artemisia
    
    On hold, not scrapped. In any case my point was that a cost blowout of that magnitude in a short space of time should be getting a few DCMs for incompetence.
    
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    January 20, 2024 1:16pm
Matt Long

Yet another victim of racial supremacism in the USA, expect riots and looting from human rights groups any time…
The victim was white? Ok, everyone. Stand Down.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-man-killed-naked-man-beat-him-firewood-delivering
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January 20, 2024 8:32am
- kowtow
  
  The Mapping Police Violence project ,USA, reports that 2023 was the deadliest year for police shootings since 2013 with 1329 killed by police gunfire up from 1250 in 2022.
  New Mexico the state with the highest proportions .
  
  As Mr Trump is not the President and as NM is a Dem state , the NZ Te Media are thoroughly un interested ……..
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:15am
jon

Excellent piece from David Seymour, in the Herald, re the Treaty, of course not open to comments, they would be swamped with so many agreeing with the article and we couldnt have that! Tolerance from so many is fast running out.
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January 20, 2024 8:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In the last few days I have seen about 5 definitions of the Treaty Principles, all different.
  Is it time for the media etc to stop telling lies?
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:35am
Yvette

• Christopher Luxon has been criticised by Te Pāti Māori for not attending a nationwide hui called by the Māori King, as the PM says politicians are “not front and centre” at the event.

And Te Pāti Māori – inciting responses, leaking draft documents, and trying to run the show – are not politically front and centre, Sherlock?
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January 20, 2024 8:39am
Positan

TV1’s last night’s 6.00pm news “coverage” of the build-up to the hui was as warped and one-sided as could ever be dreamed at.

From One’s Pasifika frontperson, Faafoi who paddled endlessly leading questions to Maori Affairs “journalist,” Hurihanganui, pursuing her one-eyed viewpoint, coverage degenerated to that of a bent, solely-Maori perspective. Impressionable viewers would have swallowed it as fact.

Coverage plummeted further with the now-standard Tuku Morgan fall-back, whose rabidly inaccurate and unsupportable utterances never differ in the numerous occasions he gets to snarl at the TV camera.
Yes, there were token shots of Luxon – portraying him and his tepid utterances in the weakest possible light. Seymour did attempt to correct the questioner’s stance but, as Minister, his moments in the spotlight never received the attention accorded to the raving Morgan.

TVI’s reporting on “Treaty” matters is bent as could never have been imagined possible prior to Ardern’s blotch on our political landscape. Last night’s attempt to produce newly-discovered tatty “evidence” of an old document wasn’t even remotely contrasted with far more available genuinely-established evidence. It was trouble-stirring, nothing less.

If I was running the country, TVNZ would be informed that further funding would not be be provided ’til it ceased its anti-government rhetoric and, in the expectation of viewers, ceased portraying such wilful, biased, race-fomenting items of coverage.

I’d also advise the elders of Maoridom that what’s now eminently perceivable as having never been justified, the 3rd Treaty settlement, would be overturned – and all “settlement” monies and property would be returned to the Crown – with interest.
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January 20, 2024 9:01am
- Fedup oldie
  
  We only lasted watching TV1 for a few minutes then changed to TV3.
  Thankfully their coverage must have been shorter as it was finished by the time we got there.
  Will give both channels a miss tonight and for the next little while.
  Only just moved back after I estimated that the wedding coverage would be over.
  
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  January 20, 2024 11:46am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Daniel Faitaua, not Faafoi.
  
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  January 20, 2024 3:04pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    How come Daniel Faitaua doesn’t have to speak Māori on the news? Why does he get to escape being coerced?
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:51pm
Grunter

Things heating up in the USA.

Texas National Guard facing off Federal demands and Homeland Security over illegal immigrants flowing across the border from Mexico. Other Red States now sending support and resources to Texas.

Texas basically saying “GFY” to the Biden cult.

So two different armed forces facing off in the same country……if bullets start to fly what’s that called again?
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January 20, 2024 9:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  Biden’s handlers would love a nice civil war. Might keep them in the game, the one they’re currently destined to be flushed from.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is a typical leftie trick. A small civil war in Texas is a great diversion for the Big Guy and his 10%. Good for the Dems and the whole crooked Biden family.
    Hell, the Democrats may finance the whole thing.
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:39am
- kowtow
  
  Nikki Haley gets an awful lot of stick in their left wing media for ‘failing” to say the Civil War was about slavery .
  
  It was about state’s rights and sessesion .
  
  And that’s still a major issue there.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:42am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Yes, it was about state’s rights – to keep slaves.
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Democrats rights to keep slaves.
      The Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists.
      The google machine says so.
      
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      January 20, 2024 10:43am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        ggl/alphabet bought the wayback machine (aka The Internet Archive). F knows how that was ever allowed! They have been deleting archives.
        
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        January 20, 2024 8:46pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Slavery was a major issue, there was also the protectionism by the Northern manufacturing states which was causing economic harm to the South,, no doubt many other issues as well.
      If it was all about slavery, why didn’t Lincoln outlaw slavery before the war broke out? Or do what the British did and negotiate to compensate slave owners to avoid the conflict.
      
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      January 20, 2024 11:16am
      - Matt Long
        
        President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, as the nation approached its third year of bloody civil war. The proclamation declared “that all persons held as slaves” within the rebellious states “are, and henceforward shall be free.”
        
        Despite this expansive wording, the Emancipation Proclamation was limited in many ways. It applied only to states that had seceded from the United States, leaving slavery untouched in the loyal border states. (!!!!) It also expressly exempted parts of the Confederacy (the Southern secessionist states) that had already come under Northern control. Most important, the freedom it promised depended upon Union (United States) military victory.
        https://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured-documents/emancipation-proclamation
        
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        January 20, 2024 12:40pm
    - cmm
      
      The Civil War being about slavery is a bit like saying that WW2 was over the Holocaust.
      
      Both are retroactively pinned onto the event.
      
      At the time of WW2 nobody knew (or cared) about the Holocaust. That is not what they fought WW2 over.
      
      Ditto slavery and the Civil War.
      
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      January 20, 2024 1:45pm
- mogg
  
  According to Lionel Shriver, Biden is finished. During his administration there have been 10 million illegals enter the US over the Southern border. Dem ‘sanctuary cities’ are using their entire budgets to house immigrants.
  Even lifelong Dem voters are very angry at what has been allowed to happen and will be voting Republican.
  
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  January 20, 2024 11:15am
Michael Sommerville

In the European press they are predicting a war with Putin before too long. Part of the discussion includes conscription. I was wondering if their woke DEI policies would apply and they give first shot at the front line to coloured, women and LBGQT individuals.

Just wondering.
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January 20, 2024 9:04am
- artemisia
  
  Are camo frocks available?
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:22am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Probably all being stirred up by “axis of evil” dark money. It’s in their interests.
    
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    January 20, 2024 8:19pm
- kowtow
  
  Yes , it’s odd there’s been an awful lot of that talk in their media the last cuppla weeks .
  
  What’s the game ?
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:39am
  - Grunter
    
    Clearly they are baiting ‘The Plebs’ for war. Note that all the talk is from the West. The Ruskies haven’t said anything apart from if you attack us we will defend ourselves …..and we have over 5,500 nukes.
    
    A mate living in Germany says things are getting awful there on so many levels. Energy costs, flood of migrants from Nth Africa and Ukraine, plummeting property prices, taxes going up, and everyone now talking about war on a daily basis. He no longer goes out at night (Hamburg) because it isn’t safe.
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:51am
    - Che Guava
      
      Provoking a war is always a good way to disguise, shift blame from, and excuse severely diminished social and economic conditions in the nations doing the provocation.
      
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      January 20, 2024 1:02pm
- Pavel
  
  In regards to Russia invading Europe there’s a lot of things that don’t make sense. Russia has always denied such claims and they have a big country and more resources than needed and have no need to invade anyone, especially Europe. In a war against Europe they will be out manned and out gunned and Russia knows this. Something that seems to have changed in the world is the Wests idea of canceling things they don’t like. Rather than enter into dialouge and attempt to solve problems our leaders seem to be acting like bratty primary aged kids by canceling out people. Try as you like but you cannot cancel a country and Russia is not going to go away so to our leaders, put your big boy pants on and get your ass to the table and sort this shit out. If the Europeans want to talk themselves into a war with nuclear Russia rather than entering into mature diplomacy they might want to surround themselves with a massive amount of security because there are going to be a lot of people upset with their stupid desicions. The downward spiral of our leaders maturity has declined so much over the last 2 generations that I sure as hell wouldn’t fight in a war for them.
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:09am
  - Che Guava
    
    The geopolitical spheres of influence of both China and Russia are expanding, while that of the US/NATO is rapidly diminishing. The US is increasingly seen by the world as hypocritical and its foreign policy an expression of a collective delusion of omnipotence.
    
    The near-total and unchallenged dominance of the US since the fall of the USSR is finished and never coming back, which is why they are so intent on stoking conflicts in a desperate but doomed attempt to reassert dominance.
    
    If anyone sparks a war in Europe involving Russia, it will not be on account of “Russian aggression,” unless the term ‘Russian aggression’ is taken to mean the rise of Russia relative to the falling US. Ditto China.
    
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    January 20, 2024 12:58pm
    - Michael Sommerville
      
      Most of the stirrings have come from military leaders. It could be that they want to shake the politicians and the general populace out of their general sense of “sheel be right” and to change their attitude. The Nordic and Baltic states are taking the Putin threat very seriously to the extent that the Baltics are planning on putting up permanent defensive lines between themselves and Belarus.
      
      As for Nato itself, the “powerhouse” France, has promised much and delivered little. It sounds typical of their commitment to war when push comes to shove.
      
      The elephant in the room is Trump. What will his decisions be should he be elected? It is not unreasonable to see him remove all support for Ukraine. This will require the European members of NATO to step up to the plate. Something some of them have been reticent to do.
      
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      January 20, 2024 2:29pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Guava, you don’t think the corrupt dictatorships you think are going to take over the world are chock full of hypocrisy???
      
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      January 20, 2024 8:49pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Here is the problem with propaganda, it can score hits in the short term, but unlike the truth it can’t hold together over the long term. The pieces just don’t fit.
    One hand we are told that Putin is riddled with cancer, he’s a desperate dictator, surrounded by traitorous stooges, his people are freezing and starving and his army is a bunch or knuckle dragging orcs armed with rusty old junk and the Ukrainians are knocking them down 10 to 1. We only need a few more months and a few billion dollars more before he will coming begging to the negotiating table.
    On the other hand, Putin is the new Genghis Khan, who will soon sweep over Europe like a storm of darkness, enslaving the freedom loving people into the new Russian Empire.
    Those two pieces just don’t fit.
    
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    January 20, 2024 8:46pm
- Jake Dee
  
  European rearmament will be one to watch, there are good reasons to believe that it just can’t happen.
  
  Check out this guy “Aurelien”. he’s pseudonymous but he’s let slip that he’s a retired civil servant with several decades experience in the higher levels of the European Bureaucracy;
  
  “The Wrong Stuff-Don’t even think about rebuilding western militaries.”
  https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/the-wrong-stuff
  
  “So deluded and out of touch are western political leaderships and their sycophants these days, that politicians and pundits are still talking about rebuilding western military forces, and doing something, not quite sure what, with them after that. I’ve pointed out at possibly excessive length that industrially, organisationally and financially this is all fantasy.
  For severely practical reasons, the mass armies of the twentieth century are now gone, and cannot be recreated, absent some train of events better confined to a science fiction film.”
  
  check him out, he’s a top notch thinker and writer
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:05pm
Hugh Jarse

I doubt the King of Huntly has any input into the hui, it will be Tuku pulling the strings to give those scared of losing their influence and privilege an opportunity to complain about it. In an attempt to stir up further division in NZ, TV news tonight will solemnly report on the day’s proceedings as if it has huge relevance to other than a very small percentage of elite Maori.
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January 20, 2024 9:04am
- kowtow
  
  NZME cartoon Emmerson today blaming Luxon .
  
  It’s a te media dis/misinformation assault on all fronts.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:38am
  - Michael Sommerville
    
    Emmerson has always been anti-National and pro-Labour. I don’t bother with his cartoons anymore. I haven’t for the last five years.
    
    It is a clear demonstration of the bias within the Horrid.
    
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    January 20, 2024 2:33pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Emmerson is a Leftist pick.
    
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    January 20, 2024 2:52pm
- Piniwi
  
  Don’t even think the “King” was a king of the road as a truck driver but he does seem to have a pretty slick mouthpiece. Have to wonder if old Willie thinks he is native enough to front up.
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is anyone other than TV1/3 reporting on it?
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:47am
Ron Jeremy

Bullshit on the mental health call for GG . The only reason she’s stressed is she knew she had been caught and had to face the music. Stealing that amount, it’s not her first rodeo. The way the media have let her and the green’s off is shameful. They should be hammering them hard.
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January 20, 2024 9:08am
- imalwaysright
  
  I’m still waiting for a mental illness that manifests itself in sweeping gutters or cleaning public toilets or some such behaviour.
  
  Getting pissed, lying, crashing cars and thievery just aren’t that convincing .
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:51am
- nathie
  
  Perhaps she was simply being “socialist to the core” – redistributing wealth (the shop owner’s products) to the “disadvantaged” (WoC, refugee, leftie) i.e. herself?
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Has the been a professional psychiatric assessment done?
  If not, it is all a whitewash.
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:50am
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    
    Probably self diagnosed in between shopping sprees.
    
    Also, no evidence of the online threats etc. Are they made up as well?
    
    I don’t think any of the green fascists would know a moral or an ethic if they fell over it.
    
    Also strange that her mental condition manifested itself in the selection of only expensive gear and only gear that fitted her.
    
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    January 20, 2024 12:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Included is a comment from Amy Brooke

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/luxon-makes-big-mistake-meeting-with-maori-king/
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January 20, 2024 9:18am
Yvette

• Impertinent question –

With all the nationwide ~~incitement~~ exposure afforded a draft ACT document, why has Seymour not legitimately revealed the contents of Willie Jackson’s edited response to 72 hui following He Paupau (“NOT LABOUR GOVERNMENT POLICY”) – since David and Winston now supposedly have access to Labour’s post-Election shelf where the taxpayer funded document rests? Huh?

Or is Labour’s outline, also not seen by their Cabinet, now disappeared?
Like, goneburgers?

But seriously, let the nation discuss that too
To half-discuss something, can surely only lead to a half-witted answer
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January 20, 2024 9:24am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cQ0NK1T64
RFK Jr. Weighs in on Trump’s Wall.
Tucker Carlson and RFK Jr. discuss immigration and Donald Trump’s wall.
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January 20, 2024 9:28am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiiXFyS21Co
Texas Troops establish Command Post in Shelby Park to stop Invasion.
The Texas Army National Guard has recently constructed a portable command post in Shelby Park, on the border of Eagle Pass, TX and Mexico, Jan. 14, 2024. The public park has consistently been a hot-spot for illegal immigration into Texas from across the river, but the National guard has now reinforced the area with concertina wire and anti-climb barriers, dramatically decreasing the activity of human smugglers, drug traffickers, and other criminal trespassers. This increase in security at this location is furthering the goal of Operation Lone Star to disrupt illegal immigration into the state of Texas. [They should impoprt some gators from FL to put in the river.]
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January 20, 2024 9:29am
- Dougal10
  
  Texas should just bus the immigrants across the state to the arkansas border and release them, after all it was that woke hell hole that gave the clintons to the usa
  
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  January 20, 2024 2:28pm
Yvette

• The link just below is to a roughly 402 Climate Commission Report with Maori first, English second support
So it would have been only about 200 pages if they had dumped the fucking English portion.
https://www.climatecommission.govt.nz/public/Inaia-tonu-nei-a-low-emissions-future-for-Aotearoa/Inaia-tonu-nei-a-low-emissions-future-for-Aotearoa.pdf

Where at is the legal action on this taken by a group 300 New Zealand lawyers?

Hundreds of top New Zealand lawyers are suing the Climate Change Commission for what they say are substantial errors in its advice to the government over reducing carbon emissions.

Lawyers for Climate Action is a group of more than 300 solicitors, barristers and academics seeking to ensure Aotearoa New Zealand meets its international climate obligations.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/new-zealand-lawyers-sue-climate-change-body-over-alleged-failure-to-meet-targets
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January 20, 2024 9:39am
- Matt Long
  
  Lawyers for Climate Action is a registered charity according to their website. It’s a good thing they perform charitable work- like?
  
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  January 20, 2024 9:59am
Yvette

• The syntax using ‘•’ is now available for anyone else to use
Post-medication rest now
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January 20, 2024 9:43am
Ghost

Sad story

Tadhg loves rugby, sings in a choir and is the captain of his school’s kapa haka team. But since September, the 10-year-old has been a “completely different boy” after a 70-minute seizure brought on by influenza A. His parents say their son was going to be pushed out of rehab and hospital facilities, leaving them with nowhere to go. Reporter Jaime Lyth spoke with the parents about what they think is a “gap” in New Zealand’s health system.

Article

Give a little page

Can you help us help Laura, Greg, Tadhg & Teagan
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January 20, 2024 10:28am
bco90

“At the UK inquiry today it was disclosed that the former First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has wilfully deleted her messages and has none for the inquiry, along with her former deputy First Minister John Swinney and the national clinical director Jason Leitch…The fact that deletion took place on an ‘industrial scale’ is a devastating betrayal of the many promises made by the Scottish Government for full transparency and disclosure. If Ms Sturgeon is saying that she has no messages during the period of the pandemic between 2020 to 2021, that cannot be the end of the matter, as the fundamental questions remain as to why were they were deleted and when.”

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nicola-sturgeons-industrial-scale-deletion-31923218
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January 20, 2024 11:57am
Maggie Pie

“The tide has turned against woke”

– ELON MUSK

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1748423273069605087
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January 20, 2024 12:03pm
- Che Guava
  
  Doesn’t Musk have a transgender kid? Turning the tide against woke should begin at home.
  
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  January 20, 2024 1:24pm
  - Inandout
    
    CG, the man has copious amounts of children so the chance of having an odd one is high.
    
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    January 20, 2024 2:09pm
    - MCōs
      
      He has eleven children and has had five wives/partners
      A popular chap. Must be the laughing eyes
      His first child died at ten weeks
      His second child is trans and estranged from her father
      Another child is named X AE A-XII Musk
      Another child is Exa Dark Sideræl Musk
      (Ruthless-Empire doesn’t sound so bad after all)
      
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      January 20, 2024 8:52pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Should be able to bribe the kid into being deprogrammed.
    
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    January 20, 2024 7:00pm
    - MCōs
      
      I somehow don’t think that’s an option
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/meet-elon-musk-s-transgender-daughter-vivian-jenna-wilson-who-he-describes-as-a-communist-who-thinks-anyone-rich-is-evil/ar-AA1g6CFd
      
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      January 20, 2024 9:08pm
      - Inandout
        
        MC, as I said, the odd one.
        
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        January 20, 2024 9:25pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        MCōs everyone has a price. And Musk can probably offer a pretty tantalising deal.
        
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        January 20, 2024 9:58pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    That could be an important reason why he has chosen this path. A cult that castrated his son could cause a powerful antipathy in the father.
    Which side is the action and which side is the reaction in this scenario?
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nikki Haley. OK this item is a week old.
This is the woman that they want to run for POTUS. Let me tell you something, it is the Dems who want her to run.
Anyway, she had this meeting right?

https://theteapartydaily.com/nikki-haley-forced-to-cancel-iowa-campaign-stop-when-nobody-shows/
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January 20, 2024 1:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

When Trump gets back in the Whitehouse, there is someone who is going to get their arse sued so bad.

https://theteapartydaily.com/from-the-nra-to-trump-vindictive-letitia-james-wants-to-watch-the-world-burn/
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January 20, 2024 1:37pm
Burtland

False Flag by the MetService … seems like Westland didnt get washed away list night

MetService has lifted all weather warnings for Westland, Grey and Buller regions.

So more scaremongering by the usual suspects and Mayor Helen Lash looking a fool for calling a State of Emergency.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/20/westland-lifts-local-state-of-emergency-sh6-reopens/
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January 20, 2024 1:43pm
- MCōs
  
  Would you rather there were a few bridges washed out, some houses trashed & a few drownings?
  
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  January 20, 2024 3:15pm
  - Burtland
    
    wow, a state of emergency stopped all that – great call mayor
    so how many lives did she save?
    
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    January 20, 2024 4:35pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  I doubt the Westland Mayor is looking or feeling foolish, while the Coast has a great capacity for managing huge amounts of water, she has to take notice of what the experts tell her. And it allows her to pre-position and prepare resources, better during the day than in the middle of the night.
  
  I lived in South Westland through two 50 year floods and one 100 year flood in a two year period in the early 1980’s, the 100 year one was awesome in its power and created major damage that took months to repair, roads were cut north and south of Whataroa and the glacier country for several days. I don’t blame her for erring on the side of caution.
  
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  January 20, 2024 3:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They are not experts anymore. Their credibility is in the gutter where it belongs.
    The nonsense is now overwhelming.
    
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    January 21, 2024 8:00am
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      I agree that their reporting can be inaccurate to some degree either way and I have as many examples of catastrophication as anyone. However they are the ones recognised as experts by the decision makers who turn to them for advice and warnings of extreme weather more so than you or I for some strange reason.
      
      It is then up to others who have the responsibility like the mayor to make decisions based on their forecasting.
      
      You just go ahead and ignore them, that’s fine. However their warnings must be considered by decision makers with the legal responsibility to do so.
      
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      January 21, 2024 8:29am
Maggie Pie

Engaged in a little ‘retail-therapy’ over Devonport this morning.
Fab suburb but OMG, the traffic coming back home was unreal!
Got stuck behind a carload of hoons on Lake Rd.
Probably new immigrants by the look of things.
One of them was holding up a sign in the back window…

STIT RUOY SU WOHS
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January 20, 2024 2:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie you are so naughty. By the way did you grab any discounts?
  
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  January 20, 2024 2:06pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What I did do, was drop off a load of last seasons gear to the Hospice Shop.
    (I used to take it to the recycle shop in Ponsonby, but F that for a joke.)
    
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    January 20, 2024 2:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Could just send it directly to her, anonymous of course. Needs a label.
      “Once were Stolen”? That should attract some attention.
      
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      January 21, 2024 8:02am
- NZer In Exile
  
  New immigrants, from Aus???
  
  The window sign sounds like hardcore aussie bogans.
  
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  January 20, 2024 8:56pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Lake Rd probably needs a clip-on rd over the top. Top goes one way, bottom goes the other. It’s a ridiculous bottleneck and has been for a bloody long time.
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:00pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Build it so you can later slap a monorail on it as well (finances permitting).
    
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    January 20, 2024 10:21pm
kevn

Maggie… Imagine the horror of seeing one of your outfits being worn in Grey Lynn. Knowing what we know now.
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January 20, 2024 4:00pm
nathie

So on ZB news, Stuff and NZH mostly toned down rhetoric/reporting of the gathering at the Ngāruawāhia marae.

(Granted NZH quotes a radical activist drop kick or two. No balance of course by quoting those on the right that question “maorifiction” etc).

But generally the reporting is one of discussion (rather than aggression) and even National’s Tama Potaka is well quoted correcting some of the radical mis/dis-information.

So let’s see how wokesters at TVNZ and Newshub cover it this evening – I suspect there will be more coverage on the radicals/aggression and constant denunciations of the coalition govt being portrayed as “white supremacists” or simply “out of touch” i.e. very little balance, and a total disregard ignoring the concerns of middle NZ’ers views (Pakeha and even Maori etc), who happened to vote for a change of govt. Time to sack the TVNZ Board.
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January 20, 2024 4:36pm
- kevn
  
  nathie… Supposedly ‘thousands’ there. Must be well catered, that would be a big attractant. Not hangi either.
  
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  January 20, 2024 4:44pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    MSM all reporting ~10,000 at the hui.
    
    At the last General election:
    Lab/Greens/TPM approx 1.2M voters
    Nat/ACT/NZF approx 1.5M voters
    
    &
    ACT New Zealand 246,473
    New Zealand First Party 173,553
    Te Pāti Māori 87,844
    
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    January 20, 2024 6:11pm
nathie

The problem with the white/pakeha media when it comes to Maori/Treaty issues … is they appear to be shallow thinkers.

Heard ZB’s political discussion at 4pm (Wilhelmina Shrimpton filling in for the affable and more balanced Tim Beveridge) and her two leftie commentators (talk about zero political balance and an echo chamber).

Between the 3 of them shallow understanding of the concerns people have with modern Treaty interpretations (and the Golriz Ghahraman shoplifting issue) and therefore deriding those people (with concerns) as being, well not very nice people (to put it politely).

Even Ms Shrimpton admitted she needed to better understand the Treaty and read up about it. FFS!

So really those on the Right that have bothered to read historical books and reports of the signing (and debates between the Chiefs knowing they are ceding sovereignty), or looked at Public Service job advertisements that are favoring those that speak Maori even though the job does not require such skills and so on (in other words have reasons to back up their concerns ) … are deemed by the shallow Left media as not being “nice people” aka “racists” or “white supremacists” (even brown Maori and Pasifika that oppose “maorification”!).

Then to compound this shallow leftie media thinking, they admit they don’t actually know much about the Treaty! Even TVNZ/John Campbell (I think) said as much as few weeks ago! So instead it appears that these chardonnay socialists simply repeat radical talking points.

We are not well served by the media.

And the irony will be they, predominantly white/pakeha media, will in the future find out themselves it will be harder to land jobs (especially future newbie generations) as the media organisations further embrace DIE initiatives.

Perhaps they smugly think “nah that won’t happen here cos I embrace Te Tiriti”) … but have they even bothered to read overseas reports from UK and US media which talk about these issues? Of white people not getting jobs? Even in the UK armed forces (cos the quotas aren’t full enough for the DIE lot)?

No of course not because they are shallow thinkers and think they know it all from their echo chambers and virtue signalling.
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January 20, 2024 5:06pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Heard some of it.
  Turned it off.
  What a pack smug leftie know alls.
  Tired of them.
  They are boring.
  
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  January 20, 2024 5:18pm
- Swifty
  
  Well said nathie.
  
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  January 20, 2024 5:59pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  Yep. A young white male would be mad to join the New Zealand or UK armed forces or police. Why put your body on the line for a society that blatantly discriminates against you on the basis of your race and sex, while simultaneously gaslighting you about your ‘privilege’ and blaming you for every social problem?
  
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  January 20, 2024 7:26pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Indeed and they are now talking about a massive Europe wide rearmament and recruiting program.
    
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    January 20, 2024 9:14pm
- julesnzuk
  
  What the hell is “white/pakeha” media?
  
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  January 20, 2024 10:31pm
Swifty

Do as we say or things will not turn out well for you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3t9F4BpRw2Q

Islam in the UK – who would have thought?
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January 20, 2024 5:08pm
Maggie Pie

“More than 10,000 people attended the ‘Hui-a-iwi’ at Ngaruawahia today in support of the Maori King’s call not to tamper with the ToW’

– 1EWES

Well by my calculations, there’s at least 4,990,000 who didn’t.

Just saying.
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January 20, 2024 6:13pm
- gorse
  
  Trouble is that the TOW already has been tampered with, 40 years or so ago, rewriten to say something that it never did. Hence the co Governance, and sharing etc.
  
  Read the original plus the literal translation of the of the one in Maori. Pretty much lines up with ACTs principles.
  
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  January 20, 2024 7:05pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “More than 10,000 people attended the ‘Hui-a-iwi’ at Ngaruawahia today in support of the Maori King’s call not to tamper with the ToW’
  
  More than 10,000 people attended the ‘Hui-a-iwi’ at Ngaruawahia today in support of the Maori King’s call not to tamper with the made up trougher interpretation ToW.
  
  Corrected that for you.
  
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  January 20, 2024 7:09pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Or as a bestie just tweeted….
    
    ‘10,000 grifters looking for a free ride trying to change the narrative on fairytales’
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    January 20, 2024 7:26pm
  - kevn
    
    NZer… Wonder how the event was funded? 10,000 attendees supposedly. Price of kumara would have made it $200k+ catering job.
    
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    January 20, 2024 8:15pm
    - Ghost
      
      The Ururangi Trust receives $2 million a year from Tainui. I doubt this talkfest would have cost much to host
      
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      January 20, 2024 8:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You got it. The rogue James Freeman version.
    
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    January 21, 2024 8:10am
ecco

I kept away from Stuffed site today as I didn’t want my weekend polluted by the maori get together. They are providing wall to wall coverage of the rent a crowd event. What % of the vote did they get again?

Plunket was mentioning on the Platform last week that it’s a bit of a contradiction that they’ve taken the English concept of a king and anointed one of their own, when they never had any concept of that in their history.

About to read The Forgotten Wars by Graham Crosby, which Michael Laws recommended. Sounds like an enlightening read.
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January 20, 2024 7:07pm
rouppe

Amy Law provided first aid to a stabbing victim at Albany bus station. Police praise her. She is awarded a Merit Coin by the Waitematā District Commander to honour her “bravery, determination and humanity”.

She is due to leave on an overseas class trip to Greece.

The day before, the principal tells the family that she is to be excluded on the grounds – according to their risk assessment – she was not in “the right mental state”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/long-bay-college-student-who-witnessed-albany-bus-station-stabbing-excluded-from-overseas-trip/LUB765UV7NH57BPKC3CZZJK3ZA/

What a disgusting human being Long Bay College principal CJ Healey has shown himself to be.
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January 20, 2024 9:59pm
Ghost

Piss off

Schwab’s WEF Elimination of all Elections
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