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Book banning in Florida – a vaguely worded law prompts a school district to remove 1,600 books from its libraries in case they might contain content that “depicts or describes sexual conduct.”
Such dangerous books include biographies of Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Oprah Winfrey and Thurgood Marshall, Anne Frank’s “Diary of a Young Girl”, and Meg Cabot’s The Princess Diaries series, along with several encyclopedias and dictionaries.
https://19thnews.org/2024/01/florida-escambia-county-book-bans-censorship-dictionaries/
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January 16, 2024 8:01am
- thirteenstars
  
  Good argument for ending public provision of education if schools are going to remove books because some parents find them contentious.
  
  Forcing people to pay taxes to fund schools where views are expressed and taught that those taxpayers might strongly disagree with is a recipe for conflict and disharmony.
  
  Fund parents directly so they can send their kids to the school of their choice. Problem solved.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:09am
  - Grunter
    
    I think funding parents is a very good first step to remove Govt interference in ours kids education.
    
    However, it still relies on central government control of the funds and ultimately who gets the funds and for what education provider. Over time even this system would suffer from central govt dictating their silly ideologies, the central planners wouldn’t be able to resist their nanny state tendencies. They would regulate how parents invest their state-controlled education funds, so once again parents choice would be centrally planned (which means failure).
    
    So, the only real solution is a big tax reduction and fully privatised education with zero govt involvement. In fact central govt should be banned from participating in the ‘education market’. Parents would be 100% in control of how they educate their kids. Just as they do now with how they choose which books their kids read, what movies they watch, what sporting activities they participate in etc.
    
    I know that sounds radical to us because we have been so indoctrinated with state-run schools for generations. But there is no doubt that model has failed dismally over successive govts of all colours.
    
    The school system would flourish under a privatised model. More choice. Good schools would expand. Bad teachers would disappear.
    
    Some kids (and parents) would fail (as they do now) – but it literally could not be worse than what we have now.
    
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    January 16, 2024 8:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Where would the bad teachers disappear to? We sure a hell don’t want the bastards in the private sector.
      
      [Mod – tone your language down]
      
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      January 16, 2024 9:46am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Life teaches us timeless lessons.
        
        Remove a bureaucrat from the bureaucratic environment and it’s amazing how suddenly they develop a sense of urgency, of commitment, of taking responsibility for their individual actions.
        
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        January 16, 2024 10:08am
      - Biscuit
        
        Aw, Mod, Teachers are non-accountable performance-wise and simply vote for annual pay raises demanded by their union no matter whether or not they are deserving of some.
        
        Dunno what Steve but if ******, *****, ************* and Charlatans (can I use that one?) didn’t feature, I would be highly surprised.
        
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        January 16, 2024 1:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        What a crime, calling teachers the “B” word, yet in later posts I told immigrants to assimilate or fuck off!
        One of these things is not like the other.
        
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        January 16, 2024 3:58pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      the only real solution is a big tax reduction and fully privatised education with zero govt involvement
      
      Such a great idea that some other country must have done it already – we could learn from their experience 🙂
      
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      January 16, 2024 10:09am
      - Homas
        
        I imagine that a government in a position to implement voucher education is a government in a position to rein-in the Bolshevik educators, so the problem goes away of its own accord.
        
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        January 16, 2024 10:14am
    - Jake Dee
      
      I would like to see more private enterprise in NZ education but I can’t agree to zero government involvement.
      Go full Libertarian and there are any number of lunatic cults either religious or secular that could set up schools to recruit kids and pick parents pockets.
      I think the government did a reasonably good job when they integrated the various Christian schools into the state system. The deal was something like “You can keep and teach your faith but your teachers and your classes, math, science, languages etc. have to be up to a certain standard”
      Very reasonable.
      Government is the place that standards can be set and enforced by law
      
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      January 16, 2024 6:26pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Bearing in mind that parents of pupils at integrated schools pay tax, it’s only fair that the State chips in with expenses.
        
        Note also that the integrated schools have to maintain their own buildings.
        
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        January 16, 2024 9:17pm
  - peterwn
    
    Over NZEI’s and PPTA’s and Chris Hopkins’s dead bodies.
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:28am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Well, you said it.
      
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      January 16, 2024 10:05am
- Matt Long
  
  That’s nice passive aggression from the school, the staff responsible should be awarded with the chance to work in Portland Oregon, or SF or LA.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:54am
- Homas
  
  Not like when I was young Mikey…we’d rock on into the school library and straight to the periodicals to check out the latest Razzle Readers’ Wives edition…
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:56am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The right are amateurs at this censorship game. The same books can still be obtained online, from bookshops or public libraries, or in another state. The left wing way is far more effective: pressure the publisher to remove the stuff you don’t like from all future editions.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:22am
  - Colville
    
    The same parents give their kids the latest phone which has unlimited access to the world of pornography which (I am told) is rather colourful!
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:29am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The American Taliban would like to pretend that they are all about parental responsibility but couldn’t trust parents to be aware of their children’s reading interests.
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:34am
    - thirteenstars
      
      It is not awareness of their children’s reading interests per se, it is that they are aware of certain books that they would not want their children to read.
      
      That is after all a parent’s right unless like modern educators you think parents should have little say over what their children are exposed to in school.
      
      You and I may not agree with any given list of problematic books but unless you assume the right to deny parents that control then it is you who are operating like the Taliban.
      
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      January 16, 2024 1:30pm
      - blue collar
        
        Kids are in the public domain at school , they should be exposed to everything and they will choose their own path .
        Parents may be able to influence this . Or not . It’s the kids lives .
        Parents who say you can only do what I want you to , are more the Taliban
        Can’t deny other kids their joy at reading stuff you may find offensive . Why would you want to ?
        Oh that’s right , Taliban n all
        
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        January 16, 2024 5:30pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Or even rewrite the old books and slip them back into circulation without telling anyone.
    Enid Blyton, Agatha Christie, Ian Fleming, Roald Dahl have all been secretly edited to conform to modern orthodoxy. The past is full of thought-crime so Winston Smith down at the Ministry of Truth has to get to work rewriting and flushing bad bits down the memory hole.
    
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    January 16, 2024 6:35pm
- Lee C
  
  I thnk that childrens’ libraries in schools should be allowed to stock anything the faculty likes.
  
  Anything else is fascism.
  
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  January 16, 2024 10:44am
  - thirteenstars
    
    “stock anything the faculty likes”
    
    Fuck the faculty. The faculty works for the parents. If the faculty don’t like it, rock the casbah.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ
    
    You don’t get to steal children from their parents. You don’t get to force kids into schools, force parents to pay for them, and then tell parents to fuck off when they want some say in what their kids are taught.
    
    Parents own schools, not the fucking faculty.
    
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    January 16, 2024 7:39pm
- SoloView
  
  @ mma
  I can understand why mma gets a lot of downticks for some of the remarks he makes.
  
  Could someone help me understand why his comment at 8:01am today attracts so many downticks?
  
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  January 16, 2024 12:18pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Kiwiblog hive-mind mentality?
    
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    January 16, 2024 1:49pm
  - Aquarius
    
    Try thinking it through…..
    Perhaps it’s because his comments are almost invariably moronic ?
    
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    January 16, 2024 4:21pm
- Christopher Thomson
  
  And if you read the article they aren’t banned.
  
  Typical hysterical disengenous BS.
  
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  January 16, 2024 12:55pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You are correct. The books have not been ‘banned’, merely removed from the library shelves.
    
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    January 16, 2024 1:51pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Per usual, you spout rubbish and lies. Not a single one of those books has been banned.
  
  Did you think nobody would click on that link and read it?
  
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  January 16, 2024 6:56pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Milky your source is a propaganda platform for woke/LGBTI+++ activism. It’s doubtful their claims are honest. At best they will be the typical twisting of the truth in support of their nutty far left jihad.
  
  Florida is becoming a place where people can take their kids to avoid having them brainwashed by toxic woke idiocy in public schools. Millions are moving from woke crap-holes to Florida.
  
  Parents who want their children to become screwed up woke zombies can stay in or go to blue states.
  
  I know you are scared that NZ may also get sane and sensible on educating children and you are therefore keen to try to head this off with typical disingenuous lefty propaganda.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:01pm
All_on_Red

From the River to the Sea
No more MP’s job for thee
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January 16, 2024 8:01am
- G152
  
  Wears a scarf
  What a laugh
  Time to sail
  ten finger retail
  return to the rot
  Where you were begot
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:11am
- JerJer
  
  From the river to the sea will golly G remain free? Or From the river to the see will golly G flee (wait; she already did that once already)
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:17am
- Mr A Coates
  
  I have written a parody song about the whole, sorry Golriz saga. To the tune of Jolene, of course. Enjoy, Kiwibloggers!
  https://rumble.com/v46wmbr-jolene-golriz-2024-ballad-for-green-mp.html
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:07am
  - Iamright
    
    Brilliant!!
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:58am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Coates bro – What a song!! Well done mate. I nominate you as the next co-leader (female) of the Green party.
    
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    January 16, 2024 12:00pm
Ghost

A nicely worded email to someone writing the Thames Coromandel District Mayor for staff names and address, where the mayor replies “go f**** yourself*

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Thames Coromandel District Mayor, Len Salt, says he has no regrets over signing off an email response to a constituent’s query, with “Go f… yourself, kind regards, Len”.
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January 16, 2024 8:01am
- krazykiwi
  
  Poor sap. A wannabe Elon Musk. Just missing the global gravatas and a few hundred billion.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:09am
  - MCōs
    
    That would be ‘gravitas’ or solemnity
    Not one of Elon Musk’s virtues
    
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    January 16, 2024 8:17am
    - krazykiwi
      
      If would be ‘gravitas’. Thanks for the correction.
      
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      January 16, 2024 8:27am
      - MCōs
        
        He might have all the gravitas in the world, but not the best judgment
        https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1746393861704786368?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
        
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        January 16, 2024 5:26pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        LOL. Would Musk put trump’s political popularity down to an ‘extreme work ethic’.
        
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        January 16, 2024 5:30pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        You can not be constantly fighting off the barrage of lawfare and dirty tricks from the deep state and the lefty scumbag network, and run a country of 300 million plus without a strong work ethic. Just about anyone else in those circumstances would have bailed or cracked.
        
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        January 16, 2024 8:39pm
- Matt Long
  
  The Mayor is acomplete idiot trying to pose as a strong leader, if his complaint is that people are getting more aggressive to council staff, then perhaps he should ask himself; why?
  It could be climate change, it could be culture change, but most of the autonomous citizen stuff and aggression to council and government staff is a reaction to overreach by the authorities.
  While a fair proportion of the population are cowed into their safe spaces, or putting juvenile teddy bears in their windows, others are feeling a deep set resentment to their lose of property rights, and personal freedoms.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:05am
  - pdm
    
    Not so sure Matt.
    
    From what I have heard the guy he emailed is an unsavoury activist and member of some group targeting councils throughout the country.
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:15am
  - Ghost
    
    The aggression is everywhere, people feel they now have a right to abuse. At the GP I’ve regularly seen people now being abusive to the reception staff.
    
    I was watching a video the other day, American teachers saying why they have quit the profession. They were all saying this current generation in the schools being aggressive, not listening, not respecting others.
    
    Society has become a lot more angry.
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:19am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘Society has become a lot more angry.’
      
      Society ?
      
      Or certain sections , who’ve been brought up told by those very teachers and other “care’ givers , “leaders” etc that they are oppressed , victims of colonialism/slavers/ imperialists etc , invariably “white” villains though.
      
      The teachers are victims of their own societal destructing Marxism.
      
      Useful idiots that the kind , unthinking , uncritical ones are .
      
      Same with all the “liberals” who wanted to defund the police and now their neighbourhoods require private police services to keep them “safe”from the people they claimed they were saving from the “man”.
      
      Or all the folk who’re only now getting fed up with the conseqences of “refugees welcome” and open borders.
      
      And on the other side ; the people who’ve been warning that all this touchy feelly rot will lead to problems , that Big Govt is the problem , not the solution , you know the ordinary working, tax paying folk with mortgages and businesses who’ve been called “Deplorables” or ‘Rivers of filth” by our betters in the Establishment Elites .
      
      Or who have been fed a tsunami of lies by the politicians and media about Wuflu , the weather and local govt services so our businesses have gone under , our families isolated , our health services trashed ,our democracy demeaned ,our rates gone through the roof and our dollar being worth so little after their huge spend ups ………
      
      …….yes I’m not surprised a lot of people are angry .
      
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      January 16, 2024 10:30am
    - Taieri
      
      Society has become a lot more angry
      ———
      
      The question is, why?
      
      And the answer is…?
      
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      January 16, 2024 10:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A Mayor with balls stands up to an activist and the snowflakes go apeshit?
  A Mayor should not be acting like this, so the ratbag activist can do as he pleases?
  HTFU.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:51am
- Gravelroad
  
  So this guy Salt won the election, became mayor. Beat the other candidate/s.
  That should be the end of the electioneering side of the equation.
  Now the focus should be on what’s in the best interests of the ratepayer.
  Put away your combative ego and get on with the work.
  Publically abusing citizens in public you don’t agree with is not becoming to an elected mayor, sorry.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:53am
  - Ghost
    
    Here is what the council is having to deal with from this group
    
    Stuff reported in 2023 that all councils had been experiencing an increase in aggressive behaviour from the group.
    
    Actions taken by the group last year included death threats, anonymous letters, refusing to pay rates or fines, or claiming land ownership under “allodial title”.
    
    ”We have had to call police on a number of occasions. We’ve had to beef up security and there’s an ongoing review of that. Two elected members now have panic alarms they carry with them at all times. I was shocked to see even places like the local DOC office having bullet-proof glass inserted,” said Salt,
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:02am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Publically abusing citizens in public, you say? It was an email sent several months ago, and now leaked by the whiney former candidate who lost the mayoral election – bigly. Nothing publically public about it.
    
    Did you read what the nutjob asked for when he emailed the Mayor? Only the personal details of Council staff, home addresses and private phone numbers. I’d have told him much the same thing.
    
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    January 16, 2024 7:03pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  He’s a lefty so he get’s an automatic hypocrisy pass from the left?
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:09pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Lefty wants free stuff.

Hardly news.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/506789/public-transport-advocates-question-auckland-transport-fare-hikes
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January 16, 2024 8:04am
- sirknz
  
  Exactly. Why should ratepayers be subsidising them any further.
  
  The usual bet that none of these ‘advocates’ are directly paying rates.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:45am
  - pdm
    
    sirk – or taking buses.
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:16am
  - Random T Person
    
    Or using public transport.
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:27am
- hullkiwi
  
  Couldn’t agree more. It is no different with Newshub’s conflate stories about the reopening of the Eastern Line & the cancelation of the Light Rail Project.
  
  To get a misinformed understanding, the first thing they do is run off to speak to another ill informed lefty, Matt Lowrie of the Greater Auckland blog, refer to the attached.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/01/auckland-s-eastern-line-reopens-as-campaigners-call-for-urgent-action-after-light-rail-canned.html
  
  In this piece Lowery demonstrates he knows nothing about what he is talking about. Instead he parrots what his masters in the Green Party want him to say. For his benefit, the Rail Renewal programme is making safe all mf Auckland’s commuter rail network. It was always scheduled to take circa 2.5 years to complete, what has made it difficult was a few weather events in 2023, diverting staff & resources.
  
  As for LRT, even his blog site had previously recognized that project was an expensive sham that would do nothing to solve any perceived transport problem Auckland might have. His advocacy of LRT shows he and his colleagues know very little about providing public transport. All they are left wing mouth pieces who want people on socialized transport at any cost.
  
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  January 16, 2024 11:28am
NeverMindTheBollocks

After all that hoo-har, turns out that Davey-boy simply misplaced his cap.

Like his scruples, some might say.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/133562896/mystery-solved-the-truth-around-what-really-happened-to-david-warners-baggy-greens
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January 16, 2024 8:05am
- pdm
  
  Blind as well as a cheat.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:17am
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’m going to have to start having a wash in the gutter.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/133547781/wellingtons-gutters-run-with-water-leaking-from-decaying-pipes-as-restrictions-loom
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January 16, 2024 8:05am
Chuck Bird

The Federation of the Islamic Associations of New Zealand has called for checking of Jews coming to NZ in case they are violent settlers. They did not criticize the atrocities on 7 October. This was on the news on ZB at 7 am.
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January 16, 2024 8:07am
- Paulus
  
  But you forget that what appears to be a substantial view is that Muslims are always to the forefront of life, as they are taught, from the Koran, and therefore always correct.
  We will hear more of them continually in the future.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Assimilate or fuck off.
    Don’t turn our lovely NZ into the shitholes you came from.
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:58am
    - Paulus
      
      They will never assimilate in New Zealand, as Australia, Canada and the UK as well.
      
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      January 16, 2024 1:31pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Following its publication detective-turned-campaigner Maggie Oliver said despite dozens of people being jailed, grooming is ‘categorically’ still happening in Rochdale.’
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12963855/Rochdale-grooming-gangs-report-officials-failed-prioritise-children-didnt-act-evidence.html#comments
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:31am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Shocking!
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:05am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    This is exactly the type of unintended consequence Theodore Dalrymple opines about in his essays. The fear of state agencies being labelled racist allows horrific crime to flourish.
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:40am
- oldpark
  
  Talk about a privileged position and comment, “Here is us, and who is like us” . Nuff Said .
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:16am
- Inandout
  
  CB, they know their darling in parliament is the subject of numerous allegations and this is a diversion. As for ‘violent settlers’ should they not look within their ranks?
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:30am
- GJM
  
  Don’t seem to have a problem with Mr Stably in Countdown a while back? He was just following instructions of his religious manual.
  
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  January 16, 2024 12:44pm
krazykiwi

First it was Hilary Clinton calling roughly half of Donald Trump’s supporters as a “basket of deplorables”

Then we had our very own Michael Wood calling protestors “a river of filth”

The latest is Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann, one of the leading representatives of Germany’s ostensibly ‘liberal’ Free Democratic Party (FDP) who has compared supporters of the rival Alternative for Germany (AfD) party to “flies on a pile of shit”.

As DG noted the other day, these people are OUR employees. Its time they recognised this fact before a crowd voice similar to the 1789 Estates General is heard rising.
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January 16, 2024 8:07am
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Politician abuses other politicians. And the remarkable thing about this is?
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:11am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The remarkable thing about this is your glaring lack of reading comprehension.
    
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    January 16, 2024 8:23am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Not that remarkable at all. He has plenty of form.
      
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      January 16, 2024 9:11am
    - Lee C
      
      I think you will find reading for comprehension is redundant to someone who is motivated by a desire to shit-stir.
      
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      January 16, 2024 10:48am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The remarkable thing is the degree of lefty hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.
    
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    January 16, 2024 8:12pm
- Paulus
  
  Wood seems to think that the Auckland Light Rail should not be cancelled despite the costs that his Government were happy to borrow.
  And much to much had already been spent without actually starting
  Must be his Councillor wife talking again.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:18am
  - Matt Long
    
    Labour campaign pledges 2026, Light Rail to Hamilton by 2028 and 50 thousand smart climate neutral houses built by Whare Waka Koha by Matariki every year.
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:49am
  - Jethrod
    
    Probably his Trust had shares in a company that some of the $233,000,000 was spent on.😉
    
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    January 16, 2024 2:17pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What about Biden telling a black man if you are voting for Trump snd not me then you ain’t black, even though the guy was on TV snd he was African American .
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:55am
goNZ1

’What did Shaw and Davidson know and when did they know it?’’
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January 16, 2024 8:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If photos of their MP being suspected of shoplifting were in their hands in October, then it looks as if they are complicit in a cover-up of their MP’s activities.
  
  Are we really to believe that no-one in Cre8ivework or the Wellington police recognised Golriz Ghahraman?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133561585/police-investigating-golriz-ghahraman-allegation–this-time-in-wellington
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:27am
  - kowtow
    
    Given the 6 years of regime oppression the country’s been through , ( unlawful lockdowns, attacks on lawful peaceful parliament protesters , funding of quangos to police social media, funding criminal gangs etc) along with funding the media pardy and their natural tendency to side with the Left ;
    
    is it any wonder that mere citizens with no political influence or friends might fear standing up to these authoritarians…….
    
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    January 16, 2024 8:40am
    - krazykiwi
      
      This is the truth. The broadly compliant way NZers offered up their civil rights and have allowed the elite perps to go unpunished sets a concerning baseline for when the next cunningly crafted crisis is foisted on us.
      
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      January 16, 2024 9:44am
    - PeeJay
      
      Fair point – so many examples of ordinary folks being thrown to the wolves by the last government. Remember the poor KFC worker blamed on national TV for an outbreak? Or the two “gang related prostitutes” crossing into Northland? Even folks of some influence were targeted if they stepped out of line – remember the lies Hipkins spouted about journalist Charlotte Bellis? I could go on but you get the gist – knowing the previous governments willingness to shoot the messenger (and the medias willingness to join the pile on), is it any surprise that individuals would be reluctant to report issues like this?
      
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      January 16, 2024 10:26am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      mere ~~citizens~~ subjects.
      
      FTFY
      
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      January 16, 2024 4:02pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Perhaps they were in disbelief that a Left MP icon would do such a thing.
    
    “Nah, couldn’t possibly be that nice Golly G. Must be someone who looks like her”
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:43am
- Rumblestrip
  
  Same question to all other Green MPs and officials.
  
  Commentators across the political spectrum seem unanimous that the Greens have badly mishandled this scandal by staying silent for weeks… and the big question is why.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:28am
- Gravelroad
  
  I don’t think what they knew and when is relevant to the people in the Green Party. Nothing sticks to them.
  I predict that shortly there will be a sorrowful announcement that their esteemed and vulnerable colleague Ms Ghahraman is taking lengthy sick leave to try to deal with significant health and stress related issues.
  The honest amongst us will be asked to leave her alone and have respect for this wonderful woman who has fallen on hard times etc etc.
  That is the way the passive/aggressive Green Party leadership and followers operate.
  Has worked successfully for them so far.
  Anyone who dares ask any awkward questions about their behaviour is quickly smacked down.
  And, of course, lots and lots of people happily voted for that.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:41am
- Simon
  
  Marama Davidson & James Shaw simply cant handle what should be a routine firing which should have happened weeks ago. These smug clowns presume to micro – mange everyone else’s lives cant even sort their own basic shit.
  
  Gweens think they can control global temperatures but cant even take a wheelie bin out onto the street. Mental illness is the only explanation for the Gweens.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:52am
  - Grunter
    
    A mental illness – “Leftardation”
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:11am
    - Colville
      
      Not to be confused with Leftism which is a fantastic album!
      
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      January 16, 2024 9:59am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And who was the other prominent NZ MP present at the first complaint?
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  And what is Chloe’s part in all of this?
  The plot thickens. I’m enjoying 2024 more than I thought I would.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:12am
  - Colville
    
    No chance Chloe is involved.
    
    We just arent that lucky!!
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:59am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      I wouldn’t be so sure about that-it is anyone’s guess currently. I think she’ll be breathing very quietly through her nose right about now. Certainly Chloe is conspicuous for her deafening silence, leaving the last Amigo-Ricardo Mendez-March, the MP for Tijuana to be the only one to make a comment on the situation.
      
      I’m still waiting to hear who the anonymous person was that dropped back the (alleged) stolen clothes. An investigation would clear up which friend/colleague/acquaintance/hired help tried to minimise the consequences.
      
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      January 16, 2024 11:29am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Clan,
    
    Chloe disguised herself as a shop dummy and is rumored to be still on site.
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:24am
    - kowtow
      
      Would have to be a talking one , she can’t keep her mouth shut for more than 2 seconds.
      
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      January 16, 2024 11:34am
      - imalwaysright
        
        M3GAN
        
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        January 16, 2024 1:26pm
vand

“From the River to the Sea
No more MP’s job for thee”
How cruel -GG was merely collecting high end clothing for the poor of Gaza…?
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January 16, 2024 8:09am
BarryB

Well the year in politics is starting with a bang. Now that we have THREE shoplifting allegations involving Golriz I think its time to make some predictions………….

1. The Green Party hasn’t fronted on the matter because they knew that there was more to come.
2. I will bet my left thingymajig that before this is all over that an accusation will emerge from the darkness of history that there will be an accusation that is dated BEFORE October the 14th , 2023; an that the Greens knew about it. It might even have something to do with the MP who left in a huff – supposedly to find her natural place with the Maori Party
3. The high level of excitement involved in pro Palestinian protests are part of the diversion programme to keep attention away from this miserable episode by the MP for Gaza – GG for G…… Even the SAFE outfit have made their contribution by raising objections to the Warehouse selling affordable eggs. SAFE is the outfit that declared that milk was racist – because it was white !!!!

Theres a lot going on that relies on more trouble in the Middle East. With the re-run of World War 1 starting to slow down in eastern Ukraine and thus the slow down in requirements of artillery shells just as a US and a French factory has doubled production.
These factories do urgently need another ‘outlet’ – ie: war, for all these brand new shells and they will be urging the US and anyone else listening to make use of the sudden oversupply of these munitions and to throw a few at Iran.
Nothing would please the Greens more than a seriously major attention diversion like a “Coalition of the Good” using up all these nice new 155mm shells by stopping the Muslims killing each other and to unite them as one so that the new 155mm bombs are able to ‘remove’ more of this unruly grab bag of trouble makers as they come together to burn a few more US and Israeli flags. The bright flames will make them more easily identified…………
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January 16, 2024 8:10am
- kowtow
  
  The Warehouse egg story is interesting.
  
  First the media report how wunnerful it is that we can finally , once again , happily ,enjoy some basic food item at a decent price .
  
  Nek minnit ; the same media running stories about how cruel it is to have a reasonable feed.
  
  One wonders if the duopoly , who were the ones who unilaterally introduced those chicken rearing standards and raised the price of eggs ridiculously as a result were in cahoots with the Bird Brain self described animal rights folk to go back to the media pardy to run those anti Warehouse stories about how cruel a decent priced egg is.
  
  I believe we’re constantly being played .
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:52am
  - ISeeRed
    
    It was National that got the egg rolling in 2012.
    
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    January 16, 2024 2:24pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yes they did , but what cracked it was the duopoly jumping in suddenly with their own new rules which blind sided the farmers who’d been doing their best to comply with the new laws/regulation.
      
      And no one was demanding that of the shops , they decided it themselves , strangely.
      
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      January 16, 2024 3:44pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I am the egg man
      I am the warehouse
      
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      January 16, 2024 4:03pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The Gaza issue is in these idiots DNA , they are rotten Jew hating commies
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:09am
goNZ1

I dont know why but I happened to be checking out how the Iranian justice system works if say a local female gets done for theft – Sharia law is as follows :
For a handful of specific crimes, the punishment is fixed (ḥadd): death for apostasy, amputation of the hand for theft and of the hand and foot for highway robbery, death by stoning for extramarital sexual relations (zinā) when the offender is married and 100 lashes when the offender is unmarried, and 80 lashes for….etc …
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January 16, 2024 8:12am
- krazykiwi
  
  This will by why all the lefties are offering to lend her a hand. Because she’ll need one.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:33am
mandk

Yesterday evening on ZB, I heard Shane Te Pou being quoted as saying Golriz Ghahraman should be treated with sympathy and understanding (or words to that effect).

I assume this was not the same Shane Te Pou who wanted Sam Uffindell to be cast into the outer darkness for a transgression committed as a schoolboy.

No one could be that hypocritical.
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January 16, 2024 8:14am
- Warren
  
  I’m am sure if you looked back on Shane Te Pua political career you would find he is not Squeaky clean either, so this is the pot calling the kettle ,another left hypocrite.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:58am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Oh yes he could, he was a Mario seat candidate for Labour, he corruptly used TVNZ funds to pay for Labour election campaign costs using the tax payer buildings free of charge, he was thrown out from standing at that election by Labour and he was disgraced
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:11am
- Ghost
  
  here is what he said on radio NZ and I think everyone would agree with him. He did say he hopes she gets some support, and I would expect most people would agree, she is going to need support
  
  The Green Party said she was overseas on a personal trip, but political commentator Shane Te Pou told Morning Report both the MP and her party needed to make a clear statement about the claims.
  
  “Either they have veracity or they don’t. I think there are probably very few grey areas in this.”
  
  The party’s chief of staff should have made sure the issue was a high priority, Te Pou – a former candidate and campaign manager of the Labour Party – said.
  
  “Golriz should have come home, she should have fronted it sooner, or if she was unable to do that she should have been on Zoom or whatever method, the multiple methods there are, to communicate with her leaders, tell them exactly her perspective.
  
  “And on that position, the leaders should have fronted.”
  …
  
  [Abridged – don’t breach copyrighted articles. mod.]
  
  Article
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:34am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    While I have been somewhat reluctant to join any excessively nasty pile-ons re GG and the allegations, I do find your repeated rushing in to support a member of the sisterhood a bit disconcerting. She hasn’t exactly been known as a Mother Teresa figure towards others herself!
    
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    January 16, 2024 8:16pm
    - Ghost
      
      I have never supported her. I have questioned what is behind this. But you would be mistaken if you’ve taken that for support. Saying someone who has fucked up their career and life needs support around her is also not supporting her, it is hoping she has people watching her and doesn’t do something stupid.
      
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      January 16, 2024 8:34pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Sounds very sympathetic and kind. Have you extended that same kindness and care to male politicians who have (allegedly) done f…d up things?
        
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        January 16, 2024 8:43pm
      - Ghost
        
        Of course
        
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        January 16, 2024 9:24pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Shane Te Pou renamed himself because in a former life Shane Phillips, a union official, hired prostitutes using a workers union credit card. He’s got zero moral authority.
  
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  January 16, 2024 10:56am
Maggie Pie

“Golriz, Golriz, please don’t take my clothes”

– Sung to Golly Parton’s JOLENE

https://rumble.com/v46wmbr-jolene-golriz-2024-ballad-for-green-mp.html

(Full screen/Sound up 😀 😀 😀 )
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January 16, 2024 8:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I have heard it, it’s awesome, he even smiles as he is proud of him self at the end
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:12am
- Lee C
  
  No. Just no.
  
  It’s like going to an insane asylum and laughing at the afflicted.
  
  Get a grip.
  
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  January 16, 2024 10:50am
- Mr A Coates
  
  Thanks Maggie. The smile is really me being pleased to (almost) get it right in one take! The idea for the song came to me on the Friday and it was too good not to do! So many verses unwritten!
  
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  January 23, 2024 8:23pm
Yvette

Kiingi Tuuheitia – Crown Representative Christopher Luxon has reminded me that when Pita Sharples flew to New York to the United Nations in secret (to avoid 1981-type demonstrations then, as UNDRIP was so unpopular, especially with Helen Clark and her prior Government) Pita in supporting non-binding UNDRIP stated that the parameters of the Treaty would limit New Zealand’s engagement with the Declaration.

Now that the Ardern/Hipkins Labour Government, largely at the behest of Willie Jackson, Mahuta and others, in a blackmail threat of succession, pressured them to commission He Puapua and otherwise uplift our ethnicity in Aryan fascist fashion above all other New Zealanders, the supposed, but uncessesary, response to UNDRIP has been diverted by lazy Labour loosing the Election and and anywhipped up and doctored aspirations remain parked on the shelf somewhere.

So David and Winston calling for a return, not to the miss-mashed principles of the 1987 revised Treaty but the plain 1840 “founding document,” is as clear as the United States Supreme Court ruling out abortion as a Constitutional right and so one for individual states to rule on, because arbortion isn’t in the Constitution, which was the less appealing news of that ruling, but does similarly apply to getting the Treaty back on track.
So what to do?

Willie Jackson – I think we should tell Luxon to begin the year by showing contrition and apologies for our mess.
Now catering for three thousand attendees … we cab start with Jacinda doing the breakfast bacon and chips, and Tuku can be in charge of …
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January 16, 2024 8:22am
Clyde

As the Watermelon Party continues to clam up over the GG scandal it seems more and more obvious that the leaks over the whole shebang have come from within the Party. I would suggest that the lack of any form of reaction is a reflection that the Party is trying to find the leaker or deal with the internal mess where the Party knew of the light fingers of GG for some considerable time, but didn’t deal with it so leading the leaker to take matters into their own hands.

A great example to NZ that this mob should never be anywhere near the reins of power.
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January 16, 2024 8:28am
MCōs

For a bit of a comparison I had a look at Kiwiblog at the time it came to light Andrew Falloon was retiring from politics ‘of the need to maintain my own health and well-being “
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/07/falloon_retires.html
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January 16, 2024 8:49am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Is this related to Golriz?
  Are you suggesting Golriz should retire from politics and apologise for her actions?
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:13am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Just back from a Christmas roadie – Gisborne, Hawkes Bay, BoP etc. I’ve seen more deros in Cuba St in half an hour than I saw across the three weeks.
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January 16, 2024 8:50am
Maggy Wassilieff

Shane Jones gives a master-class in how to handle a RNZ interviewer who wants to spin her version of a story.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018922322/new-zealand-first-responds-to-waikato-tainui-court-claim
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January 16, 2024 8:54am
- newview
  
  An excellent listen Maggy. Charlotte Cook obviously didn’t read NZ1st manifesto so SJ had her on the ropes from the start.. The fact that the previous Labour Govt had nothing in their manifesto about the massive changes to our society they intended to make seems to have been completely irrelevant to our Charlotte. Woke media is a phrase that comes to mind.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:31am
- Burtland
  
  he describes Tuku Morgan as a “modern cultural godzilla” and dismisses “the fanciful rhetorical claims, godzilla Tuku is tossing about in the High Court” 😳
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:44am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Charlotte Cook comes across as exactly what she sounds like. Totally woke and brainwashed broke.
  
  She is typical of the graduates of the NZ Broadcasting School…..asks questions then interupts the answers when they don’t go the way she wanted.
  
  Shane Jones is the T cell we need for the Cancer that is NZ (so called) journalsim.
  
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  January 16, 2024 11:37am
  - Clyde
    
    Totally agree. Stopped listening to Red Radio some time ago and so only hear things when there is a link to it from an issue that has been raised elsewhere. The woman is incompetent and has an agenda as well. Bad combination.
    
    But Shane Jones can deal easily with these fools who pose as journalists – better than anyone in the coalition except perhaps David Seymour. They are equally good at putting this idiots in their place.
    
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    January 16, 2024 12:08pm
  - Damocles11
    
    She sounded bored and whiney….Jones ran rings around her.
    
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    January 16, 2024 12:22pm
Yvette

A la Golly Parton’s JOLENE –

Golriz, Golriz, Golriz, Golriz,
I’m begging of you please don’t take my clothes,
Golriz, Golriz, Golriz, Golriz
You shoplifted now everybody knows

Your hypocrisy’s beyond compare,
You wanted something nice to wear,
But you didn’t think the price was fair, Golriz
Your party’s Green as summer leaves
Marama and her Forty Thieves
Is the climate warm enough for you now, Golriz?
You shout about the Gazan plight,
And prattle about human rights,
but you are an antisemite, Golriz.

Now from the river to the sea,
The best things in your life are free,
When you’re the Minister for Larceny, Golriz.
You’ll say you are a refugee,
And sick as well, oh no poor me,
But its no excuse for burglary, Golriz
Now if you did this in Iran,
The mullahs there would take your hand,
But we’ll take your resignation now, Golriz.

Golriz, Golriz, Golriz, Golriz,
I’m begging of you please don’t take my clothes,
Golriz, Golriz, Golriz, Golriz
You shoplifted now everybody knows

– RantoNZ
https://rumble.com/user/RantoNZ
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January 16, 2024 8:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Lockdowns, lockdowns, we must have lockdowns.
Where’s that bloody Ardern when you need her?//

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/health/other/new-zealand-s-fifth-covid-19-wave-hits-new-heights/ar-AA1mYxVD?
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January 16, 2024 9:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump not on Nevada’s ballot – by design.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-isn-t-on-nevada-s-ballot-but-not-for-the-reasons-you-think/ss-AA1mZHXx?
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January 16, 2024 9:05am
Biscuit

Just finished putting out the washing on the clothesline for Upper Hutt’s searing summer temperatures to dry inside of, oh, an hour,

Under normal circumstances, no?, I’d be well-deserving of praise from the Red Greens for being so environmentally-friendly.

I live in fear, mind, that the Party might send Golriz Ghahraman around to give me my medal(s).

And…

Some of the stuff on the line – like my Liverpool FC red boxer shorts! – might prove too attractive to her light fingers.

Can anyone confirm that GG ain’t anywhere NEAR Upper Hutt today?
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January 16, 2024 9:06am
- pdm
  
  `Some of the stuff on the line – like my Liverpool FC red boxer shorts! – might prove too attractive to her light fingers.’
  
  Put them back on Biscuit – GG will have no interest in them if they are covering up your scrawny body!!!!
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Silly billy Biscuit…
  
  The Green Elite don’t wear 2nd-hand/recycled clothes unless they’re from a designer store.
  
  For all we know you picked up your red undies in a Petone/Pito-one night market.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:32am
  - Biscuit
    
    Sniff to both pdm and Maggy!
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:43am
  - pdm
    
    You have got him sussed Maggy.
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:03am
pdm

Hey NewstalkZB news people.

Here is some free advice for you – look things up to check you have your facts right – eg:
Waihau Bay is not in Opotiki.
Wahhau bay is not even close to Opotiki.
Waihau Bay is in fact 102 kilometres from Opotiki which is roughly a 1 hour 30 minute drive.
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January 16, 2024 9:09am
- Biscuit
  
  Didn’t know that, pdm, but there are big distances between towns up thataway,
  
  Way way back in the day, me and a few mates went beach-trolling over the holidays and, no idea why, thought ‘Hey let’s have New Years Eve at Hicks Bay.’
  
  Idyllic setting, great swimming, v. chattable young local lasses…
  
  And then a horrendous storm arrived that saw us having to detent and head inland to Civilisation. Well, Opotiki. Over four hours away…
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:27am
  - pdm
    
    Biscuit from Opotiki on round the cape you would hardly call them towns – villages would be more apt – until perhaps Ruatoria on the Eastern side.
    
    Mind you I have only driven that road once myself about 15 years ago so things may have changed a bit.
    
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    January 16, 2024 9:33am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Nope
      
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      January 16, 2024 9:35pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  One must cross the Motu to get to Waihau Bay from Opotiki.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:48am
  - pdm
    
    They say they Motu Road is worth the drive TN.
    
    Used to be a feature stage of car rallies in the good old days.
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:05am
ClanMcleod

This article demonstrates perfectly the main problem with the complete lack of response to valid concerns around worrying events that correlate with the vaccine rollouts.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/matt-le-tissier-and-the-case-of-the-dying-footballers/

If you read the article, it’s clear that Matt and his experts presented solid evidence that there was a statistically provable rise in heart problems for young, super fit footballers.

They didn’t blame the jab, they asked for it to be investigated. They were fobbed off with very weak excuses.

This is why there will always be accusations of malfeasance. If there is nothing amiss then surely you would investigate thoroughly?
Instead they pretend nothing happened, move on.

I can see why the Green party are taking the same tack. It’s worked pretty well do far for those who pushed the jabs and mandates etc.
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January 16, 2024 9:27am
- mawm
  
  “We don’t know what is causing it but it is definitely not that thing”.
  
  It would be very easy to dispel all the rumours that they are mRNA vaccine related simply by doing post mortem examinations and microscopic examination of relevant tissues with the required staining to identify/exclude the pseudo-uridine containing spike. But they know exactly what they will find so they won’t and will continue to deny the cause ……. and malevolently keep on vaccinating those who were never at risk from covid.
  
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  January 16, 2024 1:08pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Matt Le Tissier was one of England’s favourite footballers, a few years ago. You would think he would be listened to.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:37pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Not sure if that is attempted sarcasm or not? But in answer to your comment, he has a very substantial following on social media and is highly respected for his stance and his well founded and researched comments.
    As we’ve found out, particularly in the last 4 years, supposed ‘qualifications’ are no proof of intelligence.
    
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    January 17, 2024 8:29am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56gSsnw9yfo&t=4s
Taiwan 2024 Special Election Coverage: China in Focus.
The results are in for the world’s first election of 2024. In Taiwan, voters chose their next leader—exactly the man the Chinese Communist Party doesn’t want.

How will the Chinese regime respond to Taiwan’s choice? And amid the rising risk of an invasion, how can the United States glean insight from Taiwan’s road to 2024? An expert breaks it down.
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January 16, 2024 9:27am
- Bridgenag
  
  Cardiologist Regrets Vaccinating Young, Healthy People At His Clinic: “That Was A Mistake On My Part”
  A rare expression of epistemic humility from an influential medical professional.
  
  https://www.illusionconsensus.com/p/cardiologist-regrets-vaccinating?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
  
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  January 16, 2024 1:10pm
- Jake Dee
  
  China in Focus is also Epoch Times, they have some very strange people behind them. Just saying, know the people who are supplying your news.
  
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  January 16, 2024 6:54pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Epoch Times is Falon Gong
    But you’re right about dubious sources
    Some fools here believe sources like The Duran, Grayzone, Southfront and Scott Ritter, Douglas McGregor etc
    Lol
    
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    January 16, 2024 7:23pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      I’m not saying that they’re either right or wrong, political or cultural affiliations of a news site doesn’t work that way.
      I think it was Jordan Peterson who taught me that “All Perception is Motivated” and it’s true. It takes effort to see and think things, people are naturally attuned to think in the direction that profits them. hallucinations are always possible, but that doesn’t always mean that what they find isn’t there.
      But Epoch Times is Falun Gong and Falun Gong is nutty. For them the CCP is dedicated to evil and so any examination of China begins and ends there. They see them selves as the true Chinese civilization, exactly what their plan is I don’t know but it’s something like roll it all back to the Ming Dynasty but keep the computers and cars.
      With that sort of background, t’s very likely that they are being used as a cat’s paw against China by the American deep state.
      The Deep State is another of those motivated perception things. On one level it’s a conspiracy theory but on another level it’s so blindingly obvious that it’s not even worth mentioning it
      The media, academia, business, military and government have coordinated privately in every other past human society, so why not now?
      As for the other media sources,
      I like SouthFront, they are Russian but there’s nothing wrong with that. They did excellent blow-by-blow accounts of the Syrian civil war when it was very difficult to get that sort of stuff. The MSM was very uninterested in finding out exactly who those rebels were and what they were doing.
      I like Greyzone, I don’t support their leftwing politics, but they do journalistic leg work others just won’t do. Motivated perception again. Want to know the when where and how of the Syrian chemical attacks? Want to know how those Xinjiang Uyghur numbers were calculated? What’s up with the Ukrainian neo-Nazis? Greyzone has details on all of that. Again, stuff that the MSM won’t touch.
      Scott Ritter I’m in two minds about. His specific military comments are interesting, but his general political stuff is slanted. Defectors from the regime are always interesting but are usually fanatics.
      The Duran and Douglas McGregor I don’t follow so can’t say.
      But as usual, keep in mind that John Stuart Mill bit “He who only knows his side of an argument knows very little of that.”
      Spiel over.
      Peace be with you
      
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      January 16, 2024 8:35pm
    - Keith White
      
      And others believe Stuff, TVNZ and the Ferald. Sources for All Seasons.
      
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      January 17, 2024 6:59am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA-InEw4hhw
Queen Mary and King Frederik X have ‘almost scared off’ the Danish republican movement.

“I was speaking with a local journalist just yesterday about … that republican movement, it’s just simply not as strong here in Denmark compared to other parts of the world,” she said.

“And he said he was speaking to a republican in Denmark, and they’ve said, ‘oh, while we support this movement, we still admit that we absolutely love the royal family’.”

Ms Bradley said it seems like Queen Mary has “won the public over”.
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January 16, 2024 9:28am
Maggie Pie

I love this 😀

The one at the back looks like he’s knocked-off for the day….

https://twitter.com/bob_imp1/status/1742245834459164718
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January 16, 2024 9:30am
Scooter

What is it with these lefty women in parliament, Tory drinks, Kiri drives drunk and Golriz steals. Great role models//
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January 16, 2024 9:35am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Not being pedantic but I’m not sure if swallowing classifies as drinking? Asking for a friend who doesn’t want to be identified….
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:49am
- krazykiwi
  
  The response to your question, of course, would be that you are a misogynist, racist, white supremacistst.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:49am
  - Colville
    
    …and a realist.
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:07am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yes, next he’ll be pointing out deficiencies in the South African government, as if those paragons of colour could do anything wrong.
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:07am
    - mawm
      
      Are you referring to those singing about killing Boers? C’mon, man, that’s not genocide; they’re just dying from self-inflicted mutilation. /sarc.
      
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      January 16, 2024 1:14pm
  - Scooter
    
    KK, Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. Try harder next time.
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:19am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I know! But the truth is irrelevant when the libtards dig in to defend their kin.
      
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      January 16, 2024 10:29am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Don’t forget coloniser…..
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:27am
    - imalwaysright
      
      NZ needs to be colonised again .
      
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      January 16, 2024 4:51pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Innately unhappy people. But it seems evolution finds it more optimal to have middle aged women who are generally unhappy – motivating them to gather more resources for their families.
  
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  January 16, 2024 11:05am
rouppe

Nz Herald headline: Fifth wave of Covid-19 hits new high in NZ as Govt looks at ending free RATs

National rates of Covid-19 have surged to their highest levels since New Zealand’s fifth wave began, the latest wastewater data shows, as the Government mulls whether to stop funding free test kits at pharmacies.

I caught covid shortly after arriving in Europe. My first time, as far as I know. Thought it was a cold, then tested positive. Nearly derailed the whole purpose of the trip, a birthday party for a 90 yo uncle.

Dealt with the symptoms initially with Otrivin, then got a supply of pseudoephedrine (yuss!).

Rat tests weren’t free in Amsterdam. What’s the problem with stopping public funding of test kits in NZ?
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January 16, 2024 9:50am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Apart from the fact that they don’t work, and testing for covid just gives this circus oxygen?
  
  It’s a respiratory illness that can cause complications and issues for those with other serious health issues. Just like all other respiratory illnesses.
  When did we ever test for other respiratory illnesses? Ever test for flu, even to see which variant you had? No. You went to bed, drank hot lemon drinks and rubbed Vicks on your chest.
  
  If you feel like you have a flu or whatever they want to call it, don’t go to public events if you think there might be vulnerable people there.
  
  Other than that, don’t buy into this nonsense. It only serves to give it a validity it really doesn’t deserve.
  
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  January 16, 2024 10:32am
  - Keith White
    
    A number of OIAs have consistently failed to get the MOH and NZMC to front up with the truth: are the figures we are told those who died directly of coronavirus-induced organ failure (died from Covid) or died from another course of organ failure (died with a positive Covid test but not because of coronavirus).
    
    Then there’s all the Kiwis that died from the vaccine and not from the virus…
    
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    January 17, 2024 7:03am
ClanMcleod

The inscrutable Japanese doing their inscrutable thing.

Professor Emeritus Masanori Fukushima from Kyoto University: A systematic review of the literature has revealed some surprising facts. Thousands of papers have reported side effects after vaccination, which affect every organ without exception. Ranging from ophthalmology to general medicine to psychiatry. These documents have been preliminarily investigated by a group of volunteer physicians. They have looked into how many cases have been reported by Japanese academic societies. This kind of reporting on drug side effects or the like is unprecedented.

For example, the age-adjusted mortality rate for leukemia has increased. And there are significant findings for breast cancer, ovarian cancer, and so on (Turbo Cancer).

https://makismd.substack.com/p/video-japan-press-conference-from

In NZ, 5th wave, get your booster.
The promised full inquiry cannot come quick enough.
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January 16, 2024 9:52am
Chuck Bird

It sounds like the Greens spoke to the Auckland store. If they tried to get the store not to make a complaint to the police or to withdraw a complaint if one was made I believe that would be Perverting the Course of Justice and that should be investigated by the police.
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January 16, 2024 9:55am
- Ghost
  
  The police are investigating as has been stated in just about every article.
  
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  January 16, 2024 9:59am
  - mandk
    
    You missed CB’s point there.
    
    He was suggesting the Police should investigate whether the Greens had attempted to pervert the course of justice.
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:11am
    - Ghost
      
      Actually he said “ If they tried to get the store not to make a complaint to the police or to withdraw a complaint if one was made”
      
      And I said police are investigating
      
      A complaint was made
      
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      January 16, 2024 10:13am
      - mandk
        
        A complaint about theft(s) by GG, or a complaint about possible Green Party attempt to pervert the course of justice?
        
        Two different things.
        
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        January 16, 2024 10:41am
      - Ghost
        
        Instead of making shit up provide evidence the greens have tried to pervert the course of justice.
        
        The greens are guilty of handling this badly. Everything else is being invented by the very people who are outraged when the left make up shit about national or act mp’s
        
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        January 16, 2024 11:27am
      - mawm
        
        “Instead of making shit up provide evidence…”
        
        That is exactly what Chuck suggested the police should look for. But you know that and are just being obtuse.
        
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        January 16, 2024 1:21pm
    - Ghost
      
      Oh and I should add, the biggest problem with this case and it has been caused by the green party remaining silent is people making stuff up
      
      The Green Party aren’t going to try to shut a police investigation down, the backlash from that would be huge. The shop hasn’t tried to drop it, they laid a complaint with police.
      
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      January 16, 2024 10:19am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Are you a Green?
        
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        January 16, 2024 10:32am
      - Ghost
        
        I’m someone who gets sick of each side making shit up when a politician is in the news. We saw it with Sam, we saw it with Hamish, and now here with Golriz. There is no difference to your suggestions and the nutjob ranting Israel are behind it.
        
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        January 16, 2024 10:42am
      - Ghost
        
        BTW chuck, just to shut your fantasies down, from last night
        
        A Green Party spokesman told the Herald: “This is a matter for the police to investigate.”
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-faces-further-shoplifting-allegations-in-wellington-report/RM77UR23JRDKPP6SESSKLJZJQM/
        
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        January 16, 2024 11:00am
Maggie Pie

My partner retweets

Andrew Geddes says….. if theft allegations against Golriz are proven, and the value of the stolen goods exceeds $1000, she could face up to 7 years in the cannister.

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1746996929844609364
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January 16, 2024 9:59am
- krazykiwi
  
  Perhaps we could ask the Green Party’s justice spokesperson to comment.
  
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  January 16, 2024 10:08am
  - Ghost
    
    Or labours former justice minister
    
    Hmmm, I see a pattern here.
    
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    January 16, 2024 10:09am
- septic skeptic
  
  7 years…hohoho. If she had gone in with a sawn off shotgun and shot and injured the staff the courts wouldn’t give her 7 years.
  
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  January 16, 2024 10:56am
- cmm
  
  IIRC, to be biffed from parliament just requires you to be found guilty of a crime that carries a 2 year sentence.
  
  You don’t actually have to be sentenced to the full two years – just found guilty.
  
  So, yes, if she is found guilty and then given a slap on the wrist she’s still gone from parliament.
  
  That’s my limited understanding of the issue.
  
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  January 16, 2024 11:06am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    cmm – you’re right. If she’s charged and found guilty, the sentence doesn’t matter. If it carries a POTENTIAL 2 yrs or more, she’s done.
    
    I think this is why it’s taking so long for them to deal with this. There is a lot of serious scrambling around going on to try and come up with a solution where all parties walk away without the whole process looking corrupt.
    
    I can’t see how they can possibly do it. Somebody is going to take a hit and it will probably be all except the shops involved.
    
    GG – gone, resigns or sacked, one way or the other.
    
    Green Party – a big hit in the polls and it will take a while for them to recover. Did they know about the new allegation pre election? If they did and covered for her, that surely affected the outcome of the election?
    
    The police, for what appears to be avoiding doing their job properly which smacks of political interference.
    
    I think they’ll sacrifice GG hoping that they can keep Chloe in the clear. She’s there future. God help us all.
    
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    January 16, 2024 11:13am
    - Ghost
      
      I think it took the greens by surprise, they’ve been blindsided and haven’t known what to do. They’re going to have a huge hit for their handling of it.
      
      Shit out of everyone in parliament if dpf had of made a prediction of an mp caught for theft it would have been a different party I would have guessed.
      
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      January 16, 2024 11:23am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ghost – I’m not sure the Greens weren’t aware of this? One piece of speculation is that it’s a leak from inside the party?
        
        Anyway, speculation indeed. I’m ordering in more popcorn.
        
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        January 16, 2024 12:03pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      “The police, for what appears to be avoiding doing their job properly which smacks of political interference.”
      
      This is a very good point. We know that the NZ Police became Ardern/Mallard brownshirts during the dying days of the Covid abuse. Just how influenced were they on this case? There will have been normal investigation process applied, and someone will have put the brakes on. Who was that person? And when will they appear in the dock for interfering with an investigation?
      
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      January 16, 2024 12:06pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “if theft allegations against Golriz are proven, and the value of the stolen goods exceeds $1000, she could face up to 7 years in the cannister.”
  
  Um, but you get time out on the couch for murder or rape?
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:21pm
Paulus

Have just read again an article in NZME paper, Business page which I find worthy of commenting.
It concerns Supreme Court judgements regarding for example funding of business being run and owned by people – particularly it appears at this stage women of colour in the USA.
It appears that finding from Banks, as an example, cannot be seen to be funding coloured people and not on the same basis as white people.
Judgements appear to say that there must be no colour or other discriminations whatsoever at say for example education – see the Harvard CEO appears to have got the job because she was coloured and a women – she was fired as many other aspects of her career were lies by plagiarism became dominant.
I raise this because we have exactly what is now being legally outlawed in the USA, by our discriminations in say Medical places at Schools and many other aspects whereby discrimination take place all the time.
In simple terms we should stop favouring anybody whether a minority or not by favourable treatment against the possible white persons.
Currently we see this strongly in New Zealand ,the Legal Professional, and the senior Public Service, where it is possible that in these appointment some form of discrimination may have ensued predominantly under the last Government.
Food for thought as to whether we should look at this but doubtful whether it would be independent as we proscribe to discrimination.
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January 16, 2024 10:07am
pdm

Seems a good place for her Maggie P..

Then again murderers (about 50 of them isn’t it) get home detention these days so it could be said she would be hard done by if she got incarcerated.
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January 16, 2024 10:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/chris-trotter-exposes-his-un-wiseness-and-treaty-ignorance-for-all-the-see/
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January 16, 2024 10:13am
- Grunter
  
  One of Batchelor’s better articles IMO
  
  The Trotter piece is gob-smackingly absurd… For example;
  
  “So, what will Messrs Luxon, Seymour and Peters do to placate the Kingitanga and settle down the angry rangatahi that are Te Pāti Māori’s nation? If they are wise, they will either defer, or scrap altogether, their de-Maorification agenda.”
  
  Batchelor not only outlines all the wrong facts that Trotter spews out, he also concludes that NZ is at the cross-roads – we either decide now to have equal rights for all races, or we decide to put the Maori race on a special pedestal and have different rights and systems for those with some Maori blood.
  
  Trotter, by default, admits that we have gone through a Maorification process because he now denounces any attempts to “de-Maorification”.
  
  Personally, I think this problem is now past the point of no return. Both sides are entrenched. Both sides are angry with growing levels of outright hatred. It’s hard to see a middle ground between the neo-racists (apartheid) and the majority.
  
  The last time something like this occurred in NZ was 1860-1880. And that took 12,000 troops to sort it out.
  
  Thanks Labour, TPM & Greens – you’ve f#*ked New Zealand!!!
  
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  January 16, 2024 11:17am
Chuck Bird

I just heard a caller to ZB talkback suggest that kleptomania could be a defence. The guy added he was a retired lawyer.
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January 16, 2024 10:25am
- Damocles11
  
  ‘I am today announcing that I am resigning from Parliament to seek treatment for complex mental health issues that have caused me to indulge in negative behaviour that is contrary to my own personal values. I apologise to all those who have been adversely impacted by compulsions I have unsuccessfully sought to control. I have no further comment to make at this time.’
  – Golriz Ghahraman, December 2024
  
  No that didn’t happen. Instead we’ve got subterfuge, cover ups, and mendacity.
  
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  January 16, 2024 10:51am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Damocles, your timing is superb.
    
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    January 16, 2024 2:06pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      “…… by compulsions I have unsuccessfully sought to control.”
      In moral terms, this describes being tempted to do something wrong (the human condition known as concupiscence) but not having the moral fibre to reject to temptation.
      
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      January 16, 2024 3:11pm
- lifesgood
  
  The guy added he was an idiot.
  
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  January 16, 2024 10:58am
- fernglas
  
  Kleptomania is not a defence, it’s a reason. No wonder the lawyer is retired.
  
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  January 16, 2024 6:28pm
Maggie Pie

“The right to silence is the classic path to guilt”

– Michael Laws (The Platform)

Started listening to ‘The Platform’ for a bit since ZB has had those woke arsehats Rowmannn and Rocksbrah on air. Sheeesh they make my skin crawl 🙁
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January 16, 2024 10:35am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Reality Check Radio is also very good a lot of the time (I avoid the woo/pop-psychology show).
  
  Gave up on ZB a couple of years ago. Waaay too many ads and way too many wokesters.
  
  The Platform can be good but I find Plunket’s shouting over people and shutting them down bloody annoying. Laws does that too but not quite as much.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:25pm
Inandout

If this has been seen before, well this is the woman who should be pilloried simply by the crap she spouts on this video.
https://twitter.com/2ETEKA/status/1746858684565835909?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1746858684565835909%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
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January 16, 2024 10:49am
Ghost

Are parents needed anymore? School lunches, uniforms, stationary. What’s the parent’s job?

I remember intermediate and high school, the school provided a uniform to the few that couldn’t afford it or offered cheap secondhand uniforms. That’s all that needed, not providing it to all students. Reminds me of school lunches down here where the school banned parents from sending their kids to school so they could provide a school of farmers kids with govt funded school lunches.

A Rotorua school that took a $40,000 swing and provided all students free uniforms and stationery says it has paid off in attendance – and it’s prepared to do the same again.

Article
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January 16, 2024 12:00pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I know where this is heading: “WTF? Those shoes suck balls. I’m not coming to school unless you hook me up with some Dr. Marten Platform Chelsea Boots”
  
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  January 16, 2024 12:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Principal Phil Palfrey is um, your um, typical um leftie.
  Um for anything to be um free it um has to have um been um taken, um from someone, um else.
  
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  January 16, 2024 4:10pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  In woke-world parents are just there to provide fresh meat for the woke indoctrination system. If the parents interfere with the said indoctrination they can be branded as nazis or similar.
  
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  January 16, 2024 8:30pm
Sponge

And she is gone

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/golriz-ghahraman-resigns-from-parliament-after-allegations-of-shoplifting/TS2LRAYOV5FXFA4JVOEBJ4ZRQU/
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January 16, 2024 12:08pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  There is an Allah.
  
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  January 16, 2024 12:11pm
  - PaulP
    
    Except we now get Celia Wade-Brown into parliament.
    
    What a waste of space she was as a Wellington Mayor. She started the line of useless mayors we’ve had here following Kerry Predergast who was pretty good.
    
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    January 16, 2024 12:15pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      On a positive note, it’ll pull the Greens back down into the gutter where they belong. Golriz was one of their ‘stars’ in many peoples’ eyes.
      
      Next, what was the Chloe connection? Or will that get swept under the carpet now the sacrifice has been made?
      There is something more to this without a doubt.
      
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      January 16, 2024 12:21pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Connection? I have no idea what you mean.
        
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        January 16, 2024 4:13pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Greens back in the gutter….and their dopey flea-like voters will simply leap onto that other dog known as Labour.
        
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        January 16, 2024 4:15pm
  - Maggie's partner
    
    Now dear, be kind, I am sure I don’t need to remind you of the Trelise “misunderstanding”
    
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    January 16, 2024 12:15pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  And quelle surprise, she pulls the ‘mental health’ card out of the pack. Somebody needs to tell the left they need some new cards. That one is getting dog eared.
  
  The Green MP said that her mental health had been “badly affected” by the stress of her work as an MP.
  
  “This has led me to act in ways that are completely out of character. I am not trying to excuse my actions, but I do want to explain them,” she said.
  
  I’m looking forward to her explaining them. Or was that the actual explanation????
  
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  January 16, 2024 12:18pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  There is the Mental Health excuse…..
  
  I don’t know her or care to do so but I can say this that in my adult life I have been under immense mental stress at times over many unbending periods and I have had a brain injury requiring hospitalisation to boot.
  
  That said I have not once ever considered it an idea to steal a thing ever and never will.
  
  Right is always right and wrong is always wrong no matter what state your adult brain is in when it comes to that fundamental…..(excuse the pun).
  
  She deserved to go having reaped what she sowed.
  
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  January 16, 2024 12:26pm
ClanMcleod

There was talk of her staying on as an independent. But that isn’t possible if she is charged and found guilty.

The police are currently investigating. If convicted, Ghahraman would likely have to give up her seat in Parliament. MPs convicted of an offence punishable by imprisonment for life or by two or more years’ imprisonment must vacate their seats.

It will be interesting to see how the police proceed. It isn’t a one off instance, it’s at least 3, and it involves substantial sums of money.
If the police don’t charge her it won’t be a very good look. Or have the stores been offered ‘restitution’ in exchange for dropping charges?

It’s all very murky.
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January 16, 2024 12:25pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well, well, guess it’s looking like substantial “reparations” may be involved?
  
  GG –
  
  ”I also want to especially thank Scotties Boutique for the kindness and empathy they have shown me.
  
  I wonder how much that “kindness and empathy” cost?
  No doubt their will be a signed, confidentiality agreement. This is exactly how I predicted this would play out. Police will drop charges because the victims have decided not to go ahead. Shop will have been reimbursed, and some.
  
  Golriz will be able to stay in parliament as an independent until at least the next election, continuing to suck on the taxpayer teat.
  Will she? Does she have the brass neck?
  
  God I despise the pontificating, morally righteous left.
  
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  January 16, 2024 12:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Watch out for “oma rapeti, oma rapeti, oma oma oma”
  
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  January 16, 2024 4:15pm
Damocles11

GG may very well have mental health issues. But why did she have to be caught before she fessed up and sought treatment?
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January 16, 2024 12:25pm
Vinicius

Radio NZ reports:

Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has ruled out several recommendations from the Independent Electoral Review set up by the previous government.

The minister has ruled out:

1. Lowering the voting age to 16
2. Allowing all prisoners to vote and stand for Parliament
3. Freezing the ratio of electorate to list seats, which would lead to an increase in the number of MPs over time
4. Repealing the offence of ‘treating’ voters with refreshments and entertainment.

To me ruling out these 4 is a good idea.

The other recommendation RNZ mentions is to update the Electoral Act is also a good one. One criticism is too many mentions of the Treaty of Waitangi.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/506819/government-rejects-four-voting-changes-as-review-lands
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January 16, 2024 12:39pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s so annoying when the media push the “independent” lie as if to say there was no bias.
  The “independent” inquiry is set up to get a specific result every time.
  
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  January 16, 2024 2:09pm
- nova
  
  Instead of lowering the voting age, they could get rid of the voting age entirely, and base it on a requirement to have contributed tax or some other form of public service. Let’s say $10,000 or more a year in income tax contribution gets you a vote. That way an enterprising 16 year old who is contributing can vote, but a 17 year old student who hasn’t won’t get to vote.
  Will never happen, and not really a practical proposal. Posted this mainly to highlight my reasoning for why the majority of 16 year olds shouldn’t get the vote, and that is because they are not functioning as adults, they are dependents.
  
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  January 16, 2024 3:47pm
What's the Frequency, Kenneth?

”It is clear to me that my mental health is being badly affected by the stresses relating to my work.

but, but… she’s not had any responsibilities since October.
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January 16, 2024 12:39pm
- jacthecat
  
  … and very few before as simply a list MP with no portfolios.
  
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  January 16, 2024 1:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only ‘spokesperson’ for about 10.
    But no, let’s report it as she resigned from “HER” portfolios.
    NZ media is shit. No link, find it yourselves lefties
    
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    January 16, 2024 4:24pm
Inandout

Why did the Police sit on the October report from the retailer having all the proof needed for an enquiry? One could speculate that being so close to the election the new government hadn’t had a chance to speak with the Police hierachy on what was expected of them. One could also speculate the Police, being subjected to 6 years of wokeness, couldn’t take the matter any further.
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January 16, 2024 12:43pm
- Ghost
  
  The lady only made the police complaint yesterday for the theft in october
  
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  January 16, 2024 12:47pm
  - kevn
    
    Ghost…. Welly store, so maybe fearful of repercussions until Scotties moved ahead with their complaint(s). I wonder if there are other stores with a similar story?
    
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    January 16, 2024 4:06pm
Ghost

Good to see the government have ruled out some of the electoral review recommendations

Goldsmith said the Government will now consider the recommendations but has immediately ruled out several of them. These include:

Lowering the voting age to 16
Allowing all prisoners to vote and stand for Parliament
Freezing the ratio of electorate to list seats, which would lead to an increase in the number of MPs as the population increases
Repealing the offence of ‘treating’ voters with refreshments and entertainment.

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January 16, 2024 1:19pm
- JerJer
  
  Yep. Now those idiots from “Make it 16” can hopefully go away. They got louder and louder when they thought that the idiots in Labour would implement this. It would be a total disaster. I was young once and although I would not have voted for ‘free stuff’ most young people would, hence the reason the left were very interested in this.
  
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  January 16, 2024 3:07pm
  - MCōs
    
    One doesn’t have to be young to vote for ‘free stuff’ such as the Gold Card
    NZ is a Social Democratic society and the foundation for that was the Social Security Act 1938 when the voting age was 21
    Because of that Labour won in a landslide and the Nats, who opposed it, were in the doldrums for another decade
    When National led by Mr Muldoon came to power in 1972 it was on the promise of the incredibly generous ‘free’ National Superannuation scheme that required an increase in income tax for the rest of us to pay
    
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    January 16, 2024 5:53pm
kevn

Not gg..
EV bus – diesel charging, fat link.
https://twitter.com/Niall_Boylan/status/1746828149403316528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1746828149403316528%7Ctwgr%5E6611633f3eaf96ebe98bfc8e7323e53abe6bca9d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdailysceptic.org%2F2024%2F01%2F16%2Fnews-round-up-1039%2F
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January 16, 2024 2:43pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  In the future some bright spark might realise you can skip a step and get the diesel engine to power the wheels on the bus directly. Think of the savings due to the reduction of losses!!
  
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  January 16, 2024 6:08pm
kiwikidsnz

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/506844/evs-plug-in-hybrids-to-pay-road-user-charges-from-1-april
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January 16, 2024 3:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Has NZ got that many dummies for the EV crowd to spit out?
  Cheap EVs coming soon, and a shortage of 5.7L petrol V8s
  
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  January 16, 2024 4:34pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Excellent news. They’ve been freeloading for far too long.
  We should also be adding a charge for them being a blight on the environment.
  I mean to say, if we think it’s OK to charge ICE vehicle drivers more because their tailpipe emissions apparently make the world slightly less frigid, why not charge EV drivers more for driving eco-hazards around?
  
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  January 16, 2024 5:27pm
  - Albie
    
    Agree Chris but..I reckon the National coalition let the buggers off lightly. A Mazda 6 sedan is almost 300 kg lighter than a Tesla Model 3- 1485kg compared to the lard ass Tesla 2wd at 1777kg. The 2 motor 4wd Tesla is even heavier at 1840kg!
    They should be paying more than the equivalent diesel powered vehicles in the same category IMHO.
    
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    January 16, 2024 7:04pm
Swifty

Latest Curia poll, if of any interest:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-soars-in-new-poll-as-voters-agree-country-is-on-track-chris-hipkins-crashes-record-low/TNS4GGJHIFDTZNGMKPQLNJOGJA/
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January 16, 2024 5:13pm
- Ghost
  
  Good news for labour’s is they have likely gone up the past few days….
  
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  January 16, 2024 5:30pm
  - Jethrod
    
    Are you delusional or something?
    
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    January 16, 2024 7:02pm
    - Ghost
      
      Are you suggesting the last few days won’t see labour voters that switched to greens put their support back to labour?
      
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      January 16, 2024 7:14pm
  - cmm
    
    The problem with these polls is that they don’t capture enthusiasm too well.
    
    National is increasing, therefore that shows some enthusiasm,
    
    However Labour floundering like a dead fish and both Greens and TPM dropping could indicate that people would just not bother voting.
    
    Do those Green voters who dump greens over the next few days really turn to Labour? Or do they just not vote?
    
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    January 16, 2024 7:55pm
    - MCōs
      
      Nobody’s voting at the moment
      Nothing’s happening that needs to be dealt with yet
      
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      January 16, 2024 10:01pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Labour appears to be about as batty as the greens to me. Is there really much difference? Greens just more open about their batty intentions???
    
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    January 16, 2024 8:57pm
Jethrod

5 stories in the KB TOP TEN that concern GG!!!
THAT has to be some sort of record!!
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January 16, 2024 6:46pm
Chuck Bird

This is 12 years old and 1 hr 46 min long but worth the watch. I will put in on GD tomorrow.

Is Islam a Religion of Peace?

Is the rise of terrorism and violence justifiably traced to the teachings of Islam, or is this call to war a twisted interpretation of the true Muslim faith? Most of the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims are moderates who see Islamic terrorism as a violation of their sacred texts. Is it wrong to let a radical minority represent authentic Islam? Has fear blinded us to its lessons of tolerance and peace?

For: Zeba Khan
For: Maajid Nawaz

Against: Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Against: Doulas Murray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh34Xsq7D_A
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January 16, 2024 7:39pm
Jake Dee

It looks like the Houthis have scored a hit against an American container ship.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67986226

I think those guys are going to be damned difficult to stop. It’s classic asymmetric guerilla warfare. They don’t have to sink ships or totally block the straits, as long as they are still in the game and scoring an occasional hit, they are winning.
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