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Mobile Michael

I thought a Knight had to be chivalrous.
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December 30, 2023 8:07am
- pdm
  
  MM. Obviously they have a special category for arseholes like Mallard.
  
  Nice, competent guys like Adrian Rurawhe not so much.
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:41am
  - I remember when
    
    Obviously trying to strengthen the case for the end of the honours system.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:55am
  - greenfinger
    
    He is shameless. Then again, he is just another useless, pompous and self-opinionated politician who presided over the rot of NZ education system when he introduced NCEA in 2002.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:11am
  - Paulus
    
    But look carefully Maori are very well represented in everything !
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:34am
- kowtow
  
  Look on the bright side , how many of his Oirish drinking buddies over in de Repuberlick of Oirland, his chosen sinecure , will he be able to impress with his new found colonial , imperial , royal honour .
  
  Nek minute , will he pop over to Carolus Rex III for it , or back to humble lil New Zealand ?
  
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  December 30, 2023 11:16am
hullkiwi

Top honour for Ducky Mallard, well I never?

I wonder if Ducky supported Helen when she cancelled the honours system when she was PM, and he a cabinet minister?
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December 30, 2023 8:12am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Clark did not cancel the honours system. I’m surprised that, even on Kiwiblog, no one pointed this out.
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:44am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Eleven downticks . You really have to wonder at the mentality of some.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:10am
    - KiwiSapper
      
      Just made it 18. Wonder what the magic number is that hides the wittering.
      
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      December 30, 2023 10:49am
  - Chris R
    
    Milk: You are absolutely correct and hence I expect to be down ticked for agreeing with you. Helen Clark did NOT cancel the Honours System she replaced the form of the Honour with a local format. There was no outright cancellation.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:38am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It already was a ‘local format’, since the NZ Order of Merit was instituted in 1996. The Clark government merely removed the honorifics of ‘Sir’ (and the absurdity of ‘Lady’) and ‘Dame’ for recipients of the top two tiers of said order.
      
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      December 30, 2023 11:08am
      - Chris R
        
        Milk: We agree. Ignore the patronising snarks you are receiving.
        
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        December 30, 2023 11:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He learnt that from Ardern. Lies by omission.
      
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      December 30, 2023 12:35pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Milky for your reference.
    
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Order_of_Merit#:~:text=In%20April%202000%20the%20then,and%20the%20order's%20statutes%20amended.
    
    Clark, abolished the awarding of knighthood etc, but persisted with the modified NZ Order of Merit etc.
    
    Does that make you feel better?
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:50am
- ecco
  
  If Labour have the balls to give Mallard an award, then the Coalition should have the balls to remove him from the ambassadorship to Ireland. Should also deal to Goff for the financial mess he’s left Auckland in.
  
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  December 30, 2023 1:41pm
Tricati

The 0ne finger salute has been given to hard-working, decent NZ citizens by the Knighting of the odorous Mallard – What a bloody disgrace.
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December 30, 2023 8:13am
- Burtland
  
  and one more gonged WEF acolyte – whos paying for these?
  
  https://www.weforum.org/people/pania-tyson-nathan/
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:39am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Sorry you weren’t recognized this time, Burtland.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:45am
  - I remember when
    
    Didn’t she do well while Labour was in government.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:58am
- imalwaysright
  
  Tri,
  On the other hand he is probably in the company of his peers judging by the types who have previously been awarded the ridiculous title.
  Lady Moxham springs to mind. The great stalwart of child welfare who never fronts when a baby is tortured and murdered. Who never fronts on behalf of the children being tortured right now and haven’t made the news. She now spends her time and leverages her colonial title petitioning the tribunal to keep the maori health department going .
  Maori Health department and lady moxham. If you ever needed to define misnomer there you have it.
  So, I see that odious little man to be right where he should be.
  The few good people with the title will see its meaning
  diminished .
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Lady Moxham is the wife of a Knight, ( The Most Reverend Sir David Moxham).
    
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    December 30, 2023 11:26am
    - RalphT
      
      Moxon
      
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      December 30, 2023 11:58am
- Tony Stuart
  
  A brief read through the list makes it clearly apparent that this was Labour’s parting gift to New Zealanders, via a whole range of the honours awarded.
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:45am
  - trout
    
    So Phil Goff did not make the cut or have I missed something? A colourless labour stalwart and hopeless Auckland Mayor but would have expected a gong for loyalty and time served.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:54am
  - ecco
    
    Agreed you have to scroll to the second half of the list to see the indigenous stuff. As long as no one on that list is getting a government handout I guess we should just let it go.
    
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    December 30, 2023 1:43pm
  - ecco
    
    Surprising any maoris would accept new years honours awards. I thought they were trying to erase all traces of nz’s colonial past…
    
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    December 30, 2023 3:33pm
Hugh Jarse

When someone as divisive and pig ignorant as Mallard can seek and be approved for a Knighthood, you know the honours system is screwed. Even though it is convention that serving as Speaker would normally attract one, he shouldn’t have accepted it or should have turned it down. To say nothing of the socialist republicans hypocrisy in accepting them. It’s just utter contempt for the New Zealand public and devalues other similar awards.
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December 30, 2023 8:17am
- Ian Boag
  
  Sir Michael Fay … ?
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:30am
  - Cassandra
    
    Michael Fay was recognised for his stunning success as a businessman and for his considerable philanthropy.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:25am
krazykiwi

Inaugurated 18 days ago, Argentina’s President Melei has:

-Eliminated 12 out of 21 cabinet posts, including the much-hated Ministry for Women, Gender, and Diversity.

– Fired 5,000 government employees.

– Ended 380,000 government regulations.

– Banned woke language in the military.

– Submitted a bill to affirm the right to self-defense.

– Legalized paying contracts in Bitcoin.

– Privatized several state-run companies.

– Opened Argentina’s oil industry to the second largest oil deposit in the world.

… and he’s just getting started.
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December 30, 2023 8:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Let’s go Brandon.
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:25am
- Clown
  
  MAGA – Make Argentina Great Again!
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:30am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Buckle up, it’s going to be a helluva ride.
  
  Argentina is a country of massive wealth. When I was there a couple of decades ago, during one of their regular debt crises, it was commented that for every dollar owed abroad, an Argentine owned an offshore dollar, but that there was no way it would be repatriated & invested locally under the government of the time.
  
  If Presidente Melei gets this right, Argentina will rocket ahead – buy your pesos now (this should not be construed as financial advice).
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:31am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’ve visited Argentina too. Decades of moribund, toxic socialism has wrecked their economic and social fabric while enriching a small but greedy cartel of elites. I’m watching Melei with interest and have shifted a little investment money into that country.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:58am
    - MCōs
      
      You’ve visited Argentina and now you’re an expert
      
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      December 30, 2023 10:23pm
      - Ghost
        
        Hopefully he hasn’t watched Shortland street and is now a doctor
        
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        December 30, 2023 10:32pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Mistaking action for achievement is something that inept leaders and managers do. Look no further than the last government here, which was constantly going on about and expecting praise for how much money it was handing out, and never giving a thought to what if any value was being obtained for it.
  
  In this case it’s entirely possible that these actions will in time prove to have led to a healthy and sustained economic resurgence in Argentina with no or minimal social or environmental downsides, in which case by all means let’s think about how the lessons can be applied here.
  
  But it might be wise in the meantime to wait to see the outcomes rather than applauding inputs.
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:37am
  - Master Mariner
    
    What option do they have ?
    Everything else has been a disaster and amid rampant corruption.
    Nothing like having your back in a corner and like he says “This is going to be ugly”.
    Good on him for being honest.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:38am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Well said. Only time will tell whether Melei is capable of lifting Argentina out of the mire. I wish Melei well, but I’m also keenly aware that Latin America has a long history of grand rhetoric, grand gestures, and false dawns.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:43am
    - AitchW
      
      Let’s not forget rampant corruption and nepotism.
      
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      December 30, 2023 12:11pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Agreed. Not sure how the omelette will taste, but the egg-breaking is spectacular.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:00am
  - Local Miller
    
    I think you are a bit confused. The Liebour government didn’t “ Mistaking action for achievement”, they were confusing announcements with action. They also confused money thrown at a problem with achievement. If they cut ally had taken action things would be very different, in Liebour’s case, probably worse.
    What Pres. Melei has done is take action. Now we have to see how the country will respond. From my reading of his actions he’s heading in the right direction.
    
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    December 30, 2023 11:53am
- peterwn
  
  Trouble is, he will be gunning for the Falkland Islands.
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:40am
  - rockape
    
    Didn’t work out to well last time from the number of bodies I picked up.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:23am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep, I worked down there too whilst still in the fishing industry.
      Still plenty of land mines etc.
      Great museum in Stanley though.
      
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      December 30, 2023 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No you know why the Dems don’t want Trump to win. He will take away their binkies.
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:45am
- krazykiwi
  
  Without wanting to cast aspersions** on National’s performance and thereby enraging the Natty True Believers ™ , I think it would be fair to say that in comparison to Melei, Luxon has visited a few kindergartens.
  
  **ok, not true. Happy to stir that pot 😉
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:46am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Kraz,
    That is a real danger.
    If our government takes a half arsed attitude to reconstructing New Zealand we will end up in a worse mess than we are now.
    
    If Luxon et al can’t do the unpopular hard stuff we will end up with a quick respray on a rust bucket .
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:07am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Yes. ACT, NZF, Free Speech Union, Hobson’s Pledge etc will need to keep up the pressure on Luxon.
      
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      December 30, 2023 9:46am
- Inandout
  
  krazy, and I loved this one..
  ‘Organisers of the first protest against Argentine president Javier Milei’s economic reforms will have to cover the cost of security for the demonstration, the government has said’.
  
  It has been suggested that the regular London anti Israel marchers be charged for policing, especially when Jewish owned shops have been forced to close their doors to insane (mosty Arab) chanters.
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:56am
  - Hollyfield
    
    A woman I work with, who grew up in Argentina, told me that welfare is handed out by community groups who can require the recipients to do something in exchange for the welfare. Some community groups require the recipients to turn up to protest, or they do not receive welfare.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:43am
kevn

kk… Meanwhile NZ/labour gives mallard a gong. FFS
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December 30, 2023 8:26am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Two fingers down the throat time, eh.
  
  I assume from the content that the list is Labour’s rather than National’s.
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:33am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Correct, the out going govt determines those to be recipients. In the 1976 New Year’s Honours, the newly elected PM (Muldoon) had to swallow giving a knighthood to his predecessor (as MP for Tamaki) and the then President of the Federation of Labour, Tom Skinner.
    
    When asked about the gong & his status, Skinner replied, “a leopard never changes his spots, and nor will I”).
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:38am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed it is. The first Honours List the National Party will have any input into will be the 2024 King’s Birthday list.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:47am
- KiwiSapper
  
  I can only imagine how besmirched the current holders of a Knighthood feel now that the Knighthood bestowed upon them, has been so degraded by being tossed to Mallard. Dishonoured followed by revulsion is the least I suspect.
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:35am
  - pdm
    
    KS – will a few knights from years past hand theirs back in protest at Mallards?
    
    Probably not.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:46am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Agreed. Mallard would rate as the nastiest, most venal, utterly reprehensible recipient of this honour, and by a wide margin.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:07am
    - riffer
      
      Compared to
      James Wallace
      Ron Brierley
      Douglas Graham
      to name but three…
      
      Sure.
      
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      December 30, 2023 10:26am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Good job, riffer. Have a +1. Keep pointing out the undeserving. There are plenty, and every one of them devalues the awards given to the truly laudable.
      
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      December 30, 2023 10:43am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “Mallard …… said he was pleased to receive the honour because it meant the tradition of recognising speakers and other long-serving Parliamentarians had been maintained.”
  
  Was he a bit worried about his gong? – after all, he did do just about everything possible to get sidelined!
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-years-honours-2024-list-trevor-mallard-former-parliament-speaker-among-151-honoured/K7GJOWBEFVGWBGTKZXDJXIY2PU/
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Honours can only be earned based on merit. That Mallard felt entitled to receive this should disqualify him from it.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:08am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Don’t the judges so beloved of KBers get a K more or less automaticaly too?
      
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      December 30, 2023 9:34am
      - krazykiwi
        
        No idea, but my point stands.
        
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        December 30, 2023 9:45am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Not anymore. The only judges who automatically get knight or damehoods are the 5 judges of the Supreme Court.
        
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        December 30, 2023 10:01am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Strip all former speakers and PMs of the knight(dame)hoods?
      
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      December 30, 2023 9:49am
      - Charmaine Hawke
        
        Why not because aside from being elected what did many of them do to deserve an honour, it should be for a life of service.
        
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        December 30, 2023 9:56am
      - krazykiwi
        
        An excellent idea. Gong allocation should be 0% on role-based entitlement, and 100% on merit
        
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        December 30, 2023 10:04am
    - Taieri
      
      The only judges who automatically get knight or damehoods are the 5 judges of the Supreme Court.
      ——–
      
      Deservedly.
      But their titles should be granted posthumously.
      
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      December 30, 2023 10:14am
      - AitchW
        
        I don’t believe you can be knighted posthumously. When a knight dies his title is removed. You won’t see any “Sir”s on a gravestone.
        Perhaps someone better acquainted with the rules around titles can confirm or refute this.
        
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        December 30, 2023 12:16pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I’m told by a reliable source that the Duck Didn’t receive a Knighthood for being Speaker of the House, be received it for being the only one brave enough to volunteer to undertake the responsibility of being Cindy’s Kid’s Godfather.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:42am
    - Local Miller
      
      I find it hypocritical that Cindy’s kid has a. Godfather and more so that the Godfather is the Duck. The concept of a Godfather is to assist in brining up the child in the Christian faith, in fact the Godparents promise to do this at the christening. As far as I can see neither Cindy nor the Duck even believe in God, let alone being Christians.
      
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      December 30, 2023 12:02pm
- BullyHayes
  
  all of the MSM sites have his appointment as the lead on the the Honours list articles, and a blurb on his ‘achievements’, yet none of the negative aspects of his history…
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:01am
- Flossie
  
  It was inevitable of course but only adds to devaluing an award for those who truly Do Good.
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:05am
  - newview
    
    Of course you’re right Flossy however I’m sure even most from the left see Mallard as an idiot so Labour just continue to torch themselves in the eyes of the people.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:18am
- John Loveridge
  
  The nastiest piece of work to ever tread the halls of Parliament – I’m speechless.
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:07am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I recall an interview with Barry Soper about a year ago. He explained that he had been a friend (or at least friendly) with Barry Soper for a couple of decades. He attended his wedding.
    
    Until Soper wrote a piece critical of Mallard. (It may have been the episode when he announced that “there is a rapist in Parliament, but I am unsure)
    
    So Mallard cuts Soper off. Never spoke to him again. Says a lot about his character and temperament.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:22am
Michael Sommerville

The previous government’s influence is still being felt. Trevor Mallard is now a Sir.

We need to move on at high speed and Krazykiwi’s post on the new Argentinian President shows what needs to be done, although I wouldn’t agree with the bitcoin move.
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December 30, 2023 8:29am
- hullkiwi
  
  Slight problem in NZ, has legal protection that Argentina does not have.
  
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  December 30, 2023 2:25pm
Tomtoddy

Sir Trevor…. spare me!!! What a crock.
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December 30, 2023 8:33am
- artemisia
  
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  I think it’s OK for Trevor Mallard to be knighted. It is traditional to (usually) recognise the role and seems petty not to.
  
  (Surely needs to be some reward for having to be dragged to the Speaker’s Chair.//)
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:38am
  - pdm
    
    `(Surely needs to be some reward for having to be dragged to the Speaker’s Chair.//)’
    
    Perhaps it is compensation for the fact that Hipkins stuffed up and nearly let National get their choice as Speaker through at the opening of the 2017 Parliament.
    
    ps – is there anything Hipkins didn’t stuff up in the last 6 years?
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:51am
    - Vinicius
      
      This is the same bloke who cannot think of any reasons why Labour got thumped. So by definition “they did not stuff up”.
      
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      December 30, 2023 10:10am
  - Paulus
    
    Like Ardern I wonder whether Mallard will ever come back to New Zealand, as he is only in Ireland because I believe his Daughter and her children live there, hence the choice of Dublin.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:40am
- Vinicius
  
  Easily the worst Speaker in the 50 years I’ve closely followed NZ politics.
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:44am
  - riffer
    
    you don’t follow that closely obviously. David Carter, in particular, was hardly neutral. Many here may have liked that, but it didn’t make for any good watching. I’d rate both him and Mallard as two of the worst.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:31am
- 3-coil
  
  Tom: actually it’s “Sir Trev” (his preference… honestly 😂)
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:23am
  - nathie
    
    “Sir Thuggard” seems more appropriate.
    
    Talk about an undeserved reward as Parliament’s most biased speaker.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I made a comment here about spelling but it’s gone. I won’t repeat it but I stand by it.
  
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  December 30, 2023 12:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The sea level was rising here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phUW3PK_ZRk&t=6s
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December 30, 2023 8:38am
Hugh Jarse

Well he has his reward for services to Jacinda, now recall him.
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December 30, 2023 8:39am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Not going to happen. Those in power now wouldn’t want their mates recalled when they lose office, would they?
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Or how about the Government only appoints career diplomats?
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:38am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Winston has always been against Pollies getting Diplomatic Posts.
      
      How would a career diplomat feel after years of work and being sent to crap postings, get to the top of the tree and London, DC, Canberra, Ottawa, Paris etc goes to some Polly!!!!
      
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      December 30, 2023 11:27am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Yep I agree with you on that one Mike, but we can still wish can’t we LOL.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:44am
  - Paulus
    
    I expect soon that he will just be replaced by a Career Diplomat, and will remain in Ireland with his family.
    
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    December 30, 2023 1:23pm
- Matt Long
  
  Recall him, no thanks, the Jew hating Irish government deserve him a lot more than we do.
  
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  December 30, 2023 10:28am
  - MCōs
    
    “The Jew hating Irish government”
    Where did that come from?
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:42am
    - Matt Long
      
      It’s part of our psyche, why the Irish government sides against Israel.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/20/ireland-palestine-ceasefire-gaza
      Irish government sends condolences on Hitler’s death.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/dec/31/secondworldwar.ireland
      
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      December 30, 2023 11:04am
Gravelroad

It’s funny how these socialist/communist/authoritarian types often fancy themselves as deserving of being called “Sir”.
Or “Dame”.
Any honour for the river of filth guy yet?
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December 30, 2023 8:42am
- igm
  
  Having never made a dollar, other than that which taxpayers funded . . . leeches and liars.
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:51am
  - Paulus
    
    Come now, Mallard was a teacher at Onslow College in Wellington and harsh with the boys but not so with the girls.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:43am
  - MCōs
    
    You talking about Gerry, igm?
    He’s been a public servant/MP for a very long time
    He’ll be Sir Gerry one day
    
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    December 30, 2023 1:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

They said “Californy is the place you gotta flee”
So they loaded up the truck and moved back to Tennessee.
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December 30, 2023 8:43am
- Tom Hunter
  
  You may enjoy this then from Saturday Night Live back when they were funny:The Bel Airabs
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:27am
- Matt Long
  
  https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-retirees-flocking-to-small-idaho-town-prompting-concerns-about-liberal-baggage-wait-a-minute
  Californians, the new x hole country refugees middle America doesn’t want.
  
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  December 30, 2023 10:32am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Old Arizonian joke.
    
    “The people of Arizona are canny investors, they only need a big one in Southern California & they will suddenly own seaside properties”.
    
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    December 30, 2023 2:30pm
lifesgood

I knew the nasty Labour party would give Mallard a gong. Such a spiteful move. Mallard would have to be the worst speaker our parliament has ever had and is a thoroughly nasty, unlikeable person. His behaviour during the parliament grounds protest was unspeakably bad. That’s the Labour party for you summed up neatly in that award.
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December 30, 2023 8:45am
- Sparrow
  
  Totally agree with your comments but unfortunately we have this corrupt system of annual awards. So the system just goes rolling on. It needs to be abolished most unlikely as politicians of all colours love it. Snouts in the trough. The heroes are those unknown people who refuse to accept the honour.
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:25am
  - lifesgood
    
    Mind you that ghastly Michael Cullen got one so no surprises I suppose. After all he got rewarded for totally wrecking New Zealand Post. He is not lamented. The Labour party is a cesspool of thoroughly nasty people.
    
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    December 30, 2023 9:36am
- NK
  
  Falsely accused a staff member of rape (over 300,000 taxpayer $ to settle).
  
  Ordered thousands of the citizens he served to be sprayed with water and blasted with noise to deprive sleep.
  
  Convicted of assaulting a fellow MP in Parliament.
  
  NZ gives him a knighthood.
  
  And *they* wonder why people like me hold *them* and their “system” in complete contempt.
  
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  December 30, 2023 10:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    In the interests of accuracy, Mallard was only every convicted of Fighting in a Public Place, not assault. Still behaviour however that made him totally unsuitable for the role of Speaker.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:36am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Is Gerry Brownlee also unsuitable, in your opinion?
      
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      December 30, 2023 12:26pm
    - MCōs
      
      Gerry Brownlee lost a civil assault case in 2002 that everyone has forgotten about
      He also had a problem with airport security at Christchurch when he went in through the out door
      
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      December 30, 2023 2:18pm
Albie

KK- Inaugurated 18 days ago.. I know we are a bit over consultants here, but perhaps President Melei, after he’s sorted Argentina out could offer the coalition a few pointers?
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December 30, 2023 8:46am
- MCōs
  
  NZ may have some problems, but we don’t need interference from someone who/anyone who doesn’t have a clue about our country
  There’s plenty of countries that think they know what’s best elsewhere and have left nothing, but wrack and ruin
  
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  December 30, 2023 12:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump off Maine ballot.
Well it’s not gospel yet. It all depends if Trump is guilty of the ‘insurrection’ charge and whether the 14th Amendment can be used.
I think it is going nowhere. There will be a lot getting their arses kicked in 2025.
A few good words from Alex Jones! Not Election Fraud, you just can’t vote for Trump
https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/12/election-interference-trump-removed-from-primary-ballot-in-maine-by-sos-videos/?
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December 30, 2023 8:57am
- imalwaysright
  
  S.O
  Remember our last election .
  They tried everything they could think of to suppress the vote.
  Treasonous bastards should be in jail.
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Trump doesn’t need to be convicted of a specific crime to be ineligible under the 14th amendment. none of the Confederate leaders disqualified were ever convicted of insurrection or other crimes.
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:57am
  - Matt Long
    
    Non of the confederate leaders were insurrectionists? Makes total sense.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:35am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No. they only withdrew from the Union and started a war that killed 600,000 people. That sounds like insurrection.
      
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      December 30, 2023 11:21am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The War Against Northern Aggression…
        
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        December 30, 2023 12:28pm
Joely Doe

Why are we not considering these as an option instead of rail?
Easier and cheaper to install, multiple trams running at peak times to accommodate demand, easy to reroute in case of disruption

Intelligent Rail Transit
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December 30, 2023 9:05am
- Burtland
  
  seems they looked at these for Auckland
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Rail_Rapid_Transit
  
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  December 30, 2023 10:27am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The mad Democrats have now reduced their troublemaking for Republicans to “swatting.” (Police callouts when nothing happened.) It is becoming childish but normal behaviour for the left.

https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/12/mtg-swatted-on-christmas-but-it-gets-even-worse-a-few-days-later/?
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December 30, 2023 9:08am
- Local Miller
  
  Why the downticks? Swatting is putting in false 911 calls claiming something serious is going down at another address, like a suicide or serious abuse, murder. Besides being incredibly dangerous for the target because of potential extreme police action aimed at protecting the alleged victim there is also the cost of the call-out, AND the fact that police and emergency resources are being tied up with hoax calls and aren’t available for real calls.
  This is a despicable way to attack people you oppose, because it affects a lot of other people as well.
  
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  December 30, 2023 12:16pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Because Republican bad, Democrat good!
    
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    December 30, 2023 3:06pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, Orange man bad – and there the horizon stops.
      
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      December 30, 2023 5:40pm
Jethrod

Another Labour government incompleted task…… on the Order of New Zealand list, normally 20 persons, there is 5 vacant positions.
Surely they could have at least filled a couple.e of spots. There are very deserving people around.
But I’m pleased Mullet didn’t get one .
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December 30, 2023 9:09am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well, three additional members were appointed last year, including the Queen.
  
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  December 30, 2023 10:00am
  - Jethrod
    
    I refer to the Ordinary Members list.
    The Additional members list contains those who have already significant honors, like Camilla, Silvia and Tipene.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:22am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Not sure about that. Plenty of ordinary members already had honors. I think the additional members are to mark special occasions.
      
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      December 30, 2023 10:32am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Special? Like me with 50 years at the same Company?
        I don’t get no gong Mike.
        Rubbish!
        Oh, I am so sorry, I did not work in the Public Sector
        
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        December 30, 2023 5:43pm
      - Jethrod
        
        MUNE lead the 3 News not Mallard
        
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        December 30, 2023 6:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

RFK Jr says removing Trump from the ballot is not Democratic.
“When any candidate is deprived of his right to run, the American people are deprived of their right to choose.”

https://thepoliticalmovement.com/2023/12/29/even-rfk-jr-defends-trump/
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December 30, 2023 9:14am
- virtualmark
  
  Well, put a 25 year old on the Presidential ballot. Or maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger. Or hey, Obama would almost certainly win another Presidential election if he stood again.
  
  Sure Americans should have the democratic right to vote for those candidates. Right?
  
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  December 30, 2023 1:16pm
  - AitchW
    
    Arnie was born in Austria so he’s not allowed to be POTUS. You have to have been born in the US to get that job.
    
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    December 30, 2023 3:50pm
    - RichardX
      
      You also have to be older than 25 according to the constitution but you could have just said you don’t understand the point of VM’s comment rather than demonstrate it.
      
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      December 30, 2023 9:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

UK having 43 knife attacks a day.
Every reason for America not to mess with the Second Amendment.

Better have a knife buy-back.

https://fellowamericandaily.com/uks-43-knife-attackers-per-day-proves-why-the-second-amendment-is-a-must-have/
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December 30, 2023 9:18am
- nz_aj
  
  Better analysis of those knife attacks can be made, rather than comparing with the USA where they average 327 shootings per day and of these 118 die.
  
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  December 30, 2023 9:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How many are shot by a person with a mental health problem?
    Something like 400 million guns and 6 billion rounds of amo.
    I don’t see guns as a problem. I do see mental health disguised as a gun problem.
    
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    December 30, 2023 11:08am
    - MCōs
      
      Of course guns are a problem
      No matter how unstable a person is if they don’t have a gun they can’t shoot anyone
      
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      December 30, 2023 12:08pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Steve has been unable to explain why the US has such a bad ‘mental health problem’ in comparison with other developed countries.
        
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        December 30, 2023 12:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Mike.
        You do know why, but just don’t tell the whole facts!
        The drugs! Whether legal or illegal. The drug Companies are paid to keep supplying drugs to the unstable.
        No Wiki link sorry – you are smart enough to find out why.
        
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        December 30, 2023 5:52pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Also, gangs.
      
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      December 30, 2023 3:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Gangs love those with mental health problems.
        Ardern gave the monkey mob $2.75M to fix it. What about the other gangs? They got sfa.
        Gangs are more evil than Labour – did you know that?
        
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        December 30, 2023 5:58pm
  - mawm
    
    How many are suicide or self inflicted?
    
    Politifact report 62% of gun deaths are suicide and 85% of attempts at suicide with a gun result in death in the US.
    
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    December 30, 2023 12:14pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      The US and continental Europe have (roughly) similar populations, AFAIK gun deaths in the US run at something like 10x gun deaths in Europe give or take a bit. So sad that the US is so drugged up that their mental health sucks and they shoot each other …
      
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      December 30, 2023 6:21pm
- MCōs
  
  That young guy who killed his sister in an argument over Christmas shopping couldn’t agree more until he got shot himself by another sibling
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/27/brother-shot-sister-abrielle-baldwin-florida-christmas-eve/
  
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  December 30, 2023 10:02am
- MCōs
  
  Thailand also has a big gun problem that we don’t hear much about here
  My wife looks at the news every day and tells me it’s getting worse all the time. She says don’t toot your horn in anger when out driving in case they shoot you
  Students from rival technical schools (polytechs) often have gun fights if they chance upon each other at bus stops e.g outside the market where my sister in law has a shop
  https://www.cfr.org/blog/thailands-spiraling-gun-violence-and-need-solutions
  
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  December 30, 2023 11:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Our Thai friend from Sukhumvit (now in Alaska) flatted with a girl who had a gun. She felt very unsafe. This was back in 2010.
    
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    December 30, 2023 11:11am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Mocking Americans and their “crazy gun culture” is cool, but criticising Asians would be racist. (I lived in Bangkok 17 years.)
    
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    December 30, 2023 3:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tulsi Gabbard (not a Democrat now) gives warnings about the left gaslighting what Trump will do. A Dictator like Hitler. She could be Trump’s running mate, and will fit in quite well.
I think the VP will be Tucker Carlson.

https://patriotpulse.net/greg-gutfeld-just-made-this-shocking-prediction-about-who-donald-trump-will-pick-as-his-vice-president/?
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December 30, 2023 9:31am
- MCōs
  
  That’s about fifty people that could be Donald Trump’s running mate
  
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  December 30, 2023 10:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah there are a lot – and they are up to the job. They still have to get the vote of “We The People.”
    
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    December 30, 2023 11:13am
I remember when

Colonialisation:
Tusiata Aviv, father is Samoan and her mother is NZ European.
Born and grew up in New Zealand.
Her parents separated when she was 13 years old and she lost touch with her Samoan heritage.
Obviously life has been tough at times but does she have a case for being anti colonialism.
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December 30, 2023 9:41am
- Taieri
  
  Tusiata Aviv, father is Samoan and her mother is NZ European.
  Born and grew up in New Zealand.
  ———
  
  Sometimes it’s hard to decide…who you are.
  Identifying as being a “poet” is just one of the possible solutions. Quite lucrative though…
  
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  December 30, 2023 10:08am
  - nathie
    
    So she is a New Zealander … just like me and everyone else that was born here (that isn’t “indigenous”).
    
    (Or Samoan/English New Zealander if wanting to be more precise).
    
    Anyway she should visit Samoa and try calling herself a Samoan there and see how far that gets her. Actual Samoans would call her “half-caste” at best, or a “half-caste foreigner” at worst!
    
    Meanwhile in “Aotearoa” woke lefties believe (and defend) her stories …
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:35am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A bit of fun from Trump a few years back.

https://twitter.com/PU28453638/status/1740441557294325970?
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December 30, 2023 9:46am
- jedmo
  
  Loved when Trump gently ribbed Harry and Meghan a few years back, ” I wish him luck…(pause)…he’s going to need it”. Could you imagine Biden cracking an off the cuff joke? Or saying anything spontaneous, not on his teleprompter?
  
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  December 30, 2023 11:53am
I remember when

How We’ll Eat in 2024: NY Times.
“It’s gonna be buckwheat’s year,” said Cathy Strange, the Whole Foods Market ambassador of food culture.
During a recent trip to Norway, she had a foie gras terrine witha crunchy layer of buckwheat.
In New York City, buckwheat is starring in hot chocolate and coating monkfish dressed in curry vinaigrette.
It’s being spiced with chai or vanilla and turned into drinks, for the climate- and health-minded, buckwheat is a great cover crop and rich in protein and fiber.
Of course, fans of soba noodles and blinis aren’t surprised.

Thought it was only fair to pass the information on!
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December 30, 2023 9:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
17 strategies, the psychology of takeover.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/video-master-terry-opines-shows-how-maori-are-the-ones-creating-racial-division/
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December 30, 2023 9:54am
- MCōs
  
  That’s Sir Julian
  
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  December 30, 2023 10:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Should be.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:26am
- trout
  
  A perceptive opinion piece by Chris Trotter in the ODT re the ‘Northland’ report:
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/where-ideological-war-being-fought
  ‘Its (the Waitangi Tribunal’s) reports are based on the testimony of the aggrieved, and upon their carefully curated historical grievances. Only to this “evidence” does the tribunal accord the status of unchallengeable truth. And only these, the tribunal’s truths, are allowed to prevail over what is invariably characterised as the evil historical choices of the Crown. That this Manichean historiography cannot help but infantilise Māori, turning them into trusting dupes of the wicked Pakeha, and denying them the dignity of effective historical agency, is deemed an acceptable price to pay by a Waitangi Tribunal determined to deliver to Māori claimants a browbeaten and guilt-ridden Crown.’
  
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  December 30, 2023 11:42am
  - ISeeRed
    
    “Manichean historiography.” City boy write so fancy.
    
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    December 30, 2023 3:12pm
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: WWE Wrestling
Woke Versus MAGA

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-wwe-wrestling?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Cute video at the end
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December 30, 2023 9:56am
oldpark

Wonder was the idea to offer NZs a peace offering or a Two Fingered Salute by Ardern/Hipkins cabal making the guy Mallard a so called “Sir” just to rub Winston Peters nose in it. After the same clown had the gall to lay a charge against Winston Peters when he turned up at the same venue where Mallard has turned on the water
hoses against people protesting their Human Rights against Ardern/ Hipkins control freaks .
Asking for a cast of Millions .
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December 30, 2023 10:00am
cas

Re the honours awards, some wise man once said to me the most worthy recipients are the ones who gets the lowest awards.

Though I do think the cancer doctor deserves a Knighthood.
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December 30, 2023 10:06am
- peterwn
  
  OBE – ‘other b****r’s efforts’.
  
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  December 30, 2023 11:12am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I agree. Most of those people are volunteers and have given their time to good causes.
  
  I notice that Ks do not seem to be given to judges and senior military officers now “as of right”.
  
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  December 30, 2023 11:12am
- NothingLeft
  
  Handing out knighthoods to people who just do a work-a-day job in their chosen field seems wrong to me. Civil servants are not particularly worthy people – they get paid over the odds, have great job security and in many respects a rather cushy number.
  
  Reward people who make the biggest contributions to general welfare in NZ. Effective volunteers in charities etc. But also:
  
  Govt should sell them, $10 million a pop, or hand them out to anyone who starts an enterprise that provides more than 1000 person years of employment or pays more than $100 million in tax
  
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  December 30, 2023 12:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tax? Do you think any of these people paid any NET TAX??
    
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    December 30, 2023 6:07pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Like you do these days?
      
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      December 30, 2023 6:38pm
Master Mariner

An interesting statement from Australian Wind Turbine economics,
40 Billion paid in subsidies which everyone pays.

https://cairnsnews.org/2023/12/28/australian-government-whistleblower-completely-blows-the-lid-off-the-net-zero-scam/

Question, How does NZ legislation compare ?
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December 30, 2023 10:19am
- wsk12345
  
  No direct subsidies paid in th NZ system – Unlike Aussie which has has very generous subsidies for rooftop solar etc for decades. We are a windy country – as long as a project is close enough to transmission or distribution networks, and in a suitably windy location, they are economic.
  Arguably there are some indirect subsidies. For example, intermittent generation sources don’t need to meet the same requirements as other generators such as provision of free governor action (basically a small amount of free frequency keeping) – but the fact is they cannot physically do this and the “subsidy” by those that can only exists because the other generators that provide these functions were there first. The balancing mentioned in the article is less relevant in NZ where we have so much hydro and the same companies own wind and hydro.
  The other area is if the network owners start building network in advance of the wind or solar projects. The cost may be socialised under this approach, which is used in some places overseas, rather than the generator paying the full cost of reaching the network.
  
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  December 30, 2023 1:51pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Thanks for clarifying. Well explained.
    
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    December 30, 2023 5:56pm
I remember when

Yesterday ‘Just Zilch’ was mentioned in the discussion about the distribution of food by charities.
In reality ‘Just Zilch’ is not about giving food to the poor, although that is part of the reasoning.
‘Just Zilch’ started as a distribution centre for food that would otherwise go to waste, into the rubbish.
For that reason they have never strictly controlled who has access to their food.
This has often been misunderstood.
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December 30, 2023 10:28am
Tasman devil

You know our Honours system needs an overhaul when Hon. Michael Wood missed out on a knighthood for services to Brylcream, financial planning, and narcacism.

This just plain wrong, and devalues the Honours system.
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December 30, 2023 10:40am
- wsk12345
  
  Not to mention his contribution to linguistics. He will no doubt be made Sir River of Filth one day.
  
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  December 30, 2023 1:57pm
I remember when

On TV a day or two ago our favorite epidemiologist, Michael Baker, suggested the latest covid outbreak would peak in a couple of months.
According to the research produced by Dr Clare Craig outbreaks at this time of the year always peak in January.
While there is not a lot difference in the timing, the greater the accuracy, the more use it is for our hospitals.
The outcome will be interesting.
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December 30, 2023 11:40am
kevn

m baker? pfft.
Meanwhile, 2024 predictions…
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/good-times-weak-men-secret-sauce-globalist-wickedness
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December 30, 2023 12:12pm
- Master Mariner
  
  I wonder how much of his predictions stick to the wall.?
  Pretty hard to disagree.
  
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  December 30, 2023 6:20pm
john1234

Dropkick greenie morons.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/301033682/nofly-uk-family-who-allowed-four-months-to-get-to-australia-forced-to-take-plane-at-end-of-journey

These people exhibit the lack of intelligence I find common among AGW zealots. They could have made the whole journey as passengers on freight ships with effectively zero carbon increase.
Long haul flights emit less carbon per passenger mile than motor cars.
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December 30, 2023 12:27pm
- greybeard
  
  They could simply have flown on any number of commercial flights without any effect on “carbon footprints” whatsoever: if the planes were going from the UK to Australia anyway, what difference would their presence as passengers have made ? What stupid people. Everything they do is just to get attention.
  
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  December 30, 2023 8:40pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMNkdPJNHxU
Trump Back on CO Ballot.
The Colorado Secretary of State has announced today that Donald Trump will remain on the ballot despite the state’s court ruling saying he would be kicked off for nonsense (unless the Supreme Court of the United States says otherwise, which they more than likely will not). This is another win for Donald Trump, and another loss for the Democrats and the Republican Establishment. He also stays on in MI. [10:54]
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December 30, 2023 12:49pm
- virtualmark
  
  No, both Colorado and Maine stayed their decisions until mid-January to allow for the inevitable appeals to SCOTUS. That’s just judges being pragmatic.
  
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  December 30, 2023 1:20pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    There was no court decision in Maine, just the unilateral action of its TDS afflicted democrat Secretary of State, Shenna Bellows.
    
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    December 30, 2023 4:53pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Media talk – bit different from news talk.
      
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      December 30, 2023 6:12pm
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    Pragmatic my fat arse.
    
    It’s lawfare .
    
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    December 30, 2023 6:56pm
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    Oh, I see. SCOTUS will likely stomp on them anyhow. They can always call it a ‘caucus’ like in Iowa.
    
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    December 30, 2023 10:15pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8XFVBsmXCg
‘Good initiative’: Australian inquiry into ‘problematic’ TikTok data harvesting begins.
Australia’s Information Commissioner beginning an inquiry into TikTok is a “good initiative” because the handling of personal data by the company is “problematic”, says Bond University Associate Professor Dr Terry Goldsworthy.

According to Nine Newspapers, the inquiry will examine whether the alleged harvesting of personal data, including phone numbers and browsing histories, requires formal investigation.

The Chinese-owned social media giant was fined nearly $24 million earlier this year after a UK inquiry found it had unlawfully processed the data of more than a million users under the age of 13.

“There’s a number of dangers in having young people access these social media platforms, and they include access to explicit content, data harvesting, where their details are taken, cyberbullying, misinformation,” Dr Goldsworthy told Sky News Australia. [6:05]
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December 30, 2023 12:50pm
JJ56

A number of commenters at KB seem reluctant to acknowledge the uncertainty over our future climate (eg BY, WM). Have a look at https://judithcurry.com/2023/12/29/realistic-global-warming-projections-for-the-21st-century/ and the linked paper https://doi.org/10.1016/j.gsf.2023.101774 to appreciate some of the potential sources of uncertainty and possible exaggeration that need to be taken into account.
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December 30, 2023 1:11pm
- krazykiwi
  
  BY has shown that he is open to change his views based on evidence. WM, on the other hand, appears to support the prevailing narrative whatever it might be and irrespective of the evidence. His approach was particularly fashionable in 1930s Germany.
  
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  December 30, 2023 4:24pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    WM believes whatever the expert members of Establishment tell him. See also all the Chinese Lung Rot responses.
    
    Approved Experts in good standing and all that.
    
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    December 30, 2023 6:29pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  What I find annoying and perplexing is that after accepting that humans might be having some discernable impact on the climate, they then make this massive logical leap to “we have to _do_ something about it!!”. For a lot of people, “doing something” means a complete upheaval of everybody’s way of life, subjecting us all to a command-and-control style of governance, complete change of farming practices and diets, destruction of our energy systems, financial investments diverting away from a focus on making money, you name it. Oh, and it we have to do all this in just a few decades.
  Others have this idea that they need to force feed us a pile of propaganda, deliberately ignoring evidence that shows there is no emergency, and implying that literally any sort of bad weather is the result of “Climate Change!”.
  Others try and make the situation look worse than it is by being “clever” about how the data is portrayed to us. It might be cherry-picked, truncated, massaged, omitted, etc. Some people make out that models projections “show” us something, implying that they provide data equivalent to actual measurements.
  We’re meant to take prediction after prediction seriously, no matter how unlikely they are, and no matter how many failed predictions have come before them. I heard some prediction this year that sea levels around Auckland might rise by up to 30cm by 2040 (~2cm/year!). Will the ‘expert’ who made that prediction suffer any consequences when it joins the other failed predictions on the rubbish pile?
  Ooh, then there is the dirty stinking tactic of declaring that anybody who might question any aspect of the actions apparently required to stave off the “Climate Crisis!!” as a denier. Somehow, being a sceptic, or even a voice of reason, has become a _bad_ thing.
  Whether or not we actually need to be in any sort of a hurry to upend all our lives, the dirty tactics being employed by those who want to inflict all this on us is all I need for my spidey senses to smell a rat.
  Thank goodness we do have a few people like Judith Curry around that sensible people can learn from.
  
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  December 30, 2023 4:48pm
  - Albie
    
    Thanks Chris. You have summed up the idiocy of the AGW crusade brilliantly. I feel that in years to come this costly hysteria will be exposed for what it is.
    So what if some areas of the planet become more or less habitable in the future? It has always been thus and we will adapt as always.
    Those that wish to destroy our way of life due to an increase in C02 need their heads read.
    BTW, C02 levels are increasing due to fossil fuel use but are still at historically low levels, less than 450ppm.
    I have a feeling we aren’t going to turn into Venus any time soon,
    
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    December 30, 2023 5:35pm
Ghost

Ok this made me laugh, the first time jay made love

https://youtube.com/shorts/zTtdCaZ8xP0?si=6G8UsQUXdrrV0W-O
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December 30, 2023 2:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good
  
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  December 30, 2023 6:15pm
Ghost

Unlike NZ, someone who deserves their recognition, should also be recognised here

The mother and cousin of Grace Millane have been appointed Officers of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in the UK, for services to charitable fundraising and tackling violence against women.

Article

Thank you Gillian and Hannah for what you have done in the UK and NZ
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December 30, 2023 6:39pm
kevn

One for Master Mariner to comment…
The Northern Passage option(s)
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-how-yemen-changed-everything
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December 30, 2023 6:47pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Quick answer to that kevn , Is too check who has been building nuclear powered icebreakers in the last 10 years and just as importantly who has’nt.
  I believe i have previously posted on this?
  Currently at sea and on phone, so not the best reply.
  I find it rarther ironic that China and Russia have been shoring up supply chains and the West doing there best to destroy them.
  I will have a further read and reply in a day or so once i find some info.
  
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  December 30, 2023 7:04pm
Ghost

That moment you show the world how stupid you are

https://youtube.com/shorts/QbEAPykE6fo?si=3SaghokVoq3gswuH
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December 30, 2023 8:57pm
sungsamning

Oh, I see. SCOTUS will likely stomp on them anyhow. They can always call it a ‘caucus’ like in Iowa.
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