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Tomtoddy

Tusiata Avia who writes pathetic self-serving crap that passes as poetry feels there is a “power imbalance” between herself and the ACT party who have criticised her work. What she needs to stop and consider is that her cozy lifestyle and overly generous support comes from people who get out of bed early, work hard all day and forego luxuries to pay their taxes.

Her sense of entitlement and arrogance is breathtaking. I couldn’t care a fig what she writes about but don’t ask us to pay her handsomely and then bite the hand that feeds her.
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December 29, 2023 8:13am
- Im Right
  
  All that is needed Tomtoddy, is for some non brown person (female preferably) to pen a poem about…well I dunno ‘high maori prison inmate rates, they deserve to be in prison’ or ‘why are we not deporting island over stayers’
  THEN we will get the hypocrisy from the left who again will cry ‘racist’ and want to ban publication of the poem.
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  Guess the poem writer best use a non be plume for obvious reasons, the left are way more violent than the right!
  
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  December 29, 2023 8:23am
- Gravelroad
  
  She is a Queen bee.
  I am just a worker bee.
  Or maybe a drone bee.
  Today’s society is not too different to beehive society except that the bees of all ranks actually produce something of value by working.
  All bees are subject to colonisation and a power imbalance.
  They have to get over it.
  
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  December 29, 2023 8:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    All bees are equal, but some bees are more equal than other bees. Especially when said bees have “personal truths” to fall back on…
    
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    December 29, 2023 8:43am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Tony Stuart: “All bees are equal, but some bees are more equal than other bees. Especially when said bees have “personal truths” to fall back on…”
      
      You would be referring to that woke trump card which must never be questioned. Her “lived experience”! 🤮🙄
      
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      December 29, 2023 2:38pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Tell her to buzz off.
    
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    December 29, 2023 9:00am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Shut up and pay your colonialist guilt levy
    
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    December 29, 2023 9:10am
- imalwaysright
  
  How does it cost money to write something? Its just typing some thoughts.
  If it’s any good then put it in a book and sell it.
  
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  December 29, 2023 8:40am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “If it’s any good then put it in a book and sell it.”
    
    Yes, well. Therein lies the rub.
    
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    December 29, 2023 8:34pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Heh, someone needs to tell her that explaining is losing…
  
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  December 29, 2023 9:06am
- Dave
  
  And when she passionately refers to the ‘massacre’ at Parihaka, but is silent on, say, the sacking of Kaiapoi Pa by Te Rauparaha, one suspects her outrage at colonialism is morally selective and historically ignorant.
  
  Likewise, her use of the 50% Maori prisoners vs 17% of the population statistic suggests sociological naivety.
  
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  December 29, 2023 9:07am
  - Jigsaw
    
    Well said Dave. As I understand it there is currently nothing at Kaiapoia to say what happened there. I wonder why?
    
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    December 29, 2023 11:53am
  - Swifty
    
    There’s no money in mentioning or making a big deal about Kaiapoi.
    
    But there’s plenty of money in spitting venom at anything colonial – as we’ve just seen.
    
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    December 29, 2023 12:39pm
  - Swifty
    
    For those interested:
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/maori-language-week/96527444/te-hitori-o-te-kaiapoi-p
    
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    December 29, 2023 12:40pm
    - Jigsaw
      
      I stand corrected although I was told by a local historian that at the local library there was no information. Some of the info that is included in that article doesn’t match time-wise with the account in ‘The Savage Country ‘ by Paul Moon.
      
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      December 29, 2023 4:47pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      They have been te-rewriting te hitori. Again.
      
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      December 29, 2023 8:35pm
  - Jennycraigsfailure
    
    Having lived for more than 50 yrs of my life at Parihaka, with a family member who was actually at the PA that day of the so called” Massacre “,I say bullshit.
    1 person had their foot trodden on by a horse, that was it.
    The end.
    
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    December 29, 2023 1:25pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      There was no massacre from what I have learnt/been taught many years ago. Those Maori who refused to leave their land when ordered to by the colonial troops were taken into custody and imprisoned at Otago harbour – some of them died there. There was probably some rough handling though which may have ended up in serious injury.
      Parihaka was the epitomy of peaceful protest and passive resistance, taught to them by the Jesuit or Fransiscan priests. They were 80 years before Ghandi, who had heard about Parihaka – but it was Ghandi who received international acclaim.
      
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      December 29, 2023 1:57pm
    - MCōs
      
      The events took place 142yrs ago. Someone is mighty old!
      
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      December 29, 2023 5:16pm
    - Jack5
      
      Passive resistance has a long history – 2,000 years or more.
      
      https://civilresistance.info/randle1994/Ch-2
      
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      December 29, 2023 8:28pm
  - KiwiSapper
    
    “…And when she passionately refers to the ‘massacre’ at Parihaka…” she shows her ignorance. There was no “massacre” at Parihakae, and enough writings exist to confirm that.
    
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    December 29, 2023 5:59pm
  - rouppe
    
    Oh gosh, there’s that mentioning of Maori taking slaves again…
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/1t74/te-rauparaha#:~:text=In%201831%20Te%20Rauparaha%20again,rule%20over%20the%20enslaved%20tribes.
    
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    December 29, 2023 7:21pm
- graham
  
  Tusiata Avia:
  – has received a University education
  – was awarded two residencies in 2005 (the Fulbright-Creative New Zealand Pacific Writer’s Residency at the University of Hawai‘i, and the artist-in-residence at the Macmillan Brown Centre for Pacific Studies at the University of Canterbury)
  – was awarded another residency in 2010 (the Ursula Bethell writer in residence at the University of Canterbury)
  – has received the Janet Frame Literary Trust Award
  – was appointed a Member of the New Zealand Order of Merit for services to poetry and the arts in 2020 – ironically, in the QUEEN’S BIRTHDAY HONOURS – err … why did she not stand on her principles and refuse to accept an honour from the so-called ‘savage colonisers’?
  – was made an Arts Foundation Laureate, receiving a NZ$25,000 award
  
  I would say there’s a far greater “power imbalance” between Ms Avia and the majority of those people she would claim to represent.
  
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  December 29, 2023 9:09am
  - Jack5
    
    Here (link below) is a Woke defence of Tusiata Avia.
    
    With such literary technique you could whitewash damn near anything.
    
    Maybe someone in the literati will have a go at portraying Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” as mere symbolism for the angst of a frustrated would-be painter growing up with monorchism.
    
    Here’s a taste of the critique linked to below:
    
    … there’s something comedic in this imagined scenario because the idea of saying to an historic figure – in his white wig, in that “big Endeavour” – the words “big arsehole” and “fuck you, bitch” is funny to think about ..
    
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/27-02-2023/how-to-read-a-poem
    
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    December 29, 2023 9:38am
    - imalwaysright
      
      The “big Endeavour ” was less than 100 feet long!
      A feat in itself to circumnavigate the planet in something so small.
      Truly a great man and a great crew.
      
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      December 29, 2023 12:05pm
      - Jigsaw
        
        And more and more amazing as you read more about him. Lots of good books on Cook but I recommend ‘ James Cook-A Seaman’s Seaman’ by Alan Villiers in Penguin.
        
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        December 29, 2023 4:50pm
      - rouppe
        
        Well to people whose idea of a “great Waka” was a hollowed out log, 100ft long and 4 decks would look pretty big
        
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        December 29, 2023 7:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tusiata Avia is a nothing burger.
  Best ignored.
  
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  December 29, 2023 9:24am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Tusitala, Teller of Bullshit.
    
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    December 29, 2023 8:37pm
- Keith White
  
  Is it really a hand that feeds her? More like a bucket-brigade.
  
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  December 29, 2023 10:57am
- nzgoose
  
  Of course there is a power imbalance. Act are an democratically elected party. That supposed poet has just managed to swindle money out of woke art’s people.
  
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  December 29, 2023 11:16am
- Beach Haven expat
  
  She suffers no such imbalance herself.
  There’s a chip on both her shoulders.
  
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  December 29, 2023 11:36am
Dudley Quaffquaff

That advert in which a woman slowly and deliberately takes out a crispy cracker and bites into it, all the while smiling maliciously at a dismayed man because they both know that the noise is likely to waken the baby that he’s holding and has only just managed to get to sleep.

Why, exactly, is this supposed to endear the product to us?
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December 29, 2023 8:20am
- Keith White
  
  “I regret I have but one upvote to give this post.”
  
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  December 29, 2023 10:58am
- imalwaysright
  
  Dud,
  
  Probably made by arty farty leftists whose only talent is vindictiveness.
  The ad is basically a so called mother willing to disturb her baby’s rest in order to piss off the dad. Vindictive .
  
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  December 29, 2023 2:21pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Men are intrinsically evil (and/or stupid) and women are incredible by default. Aaand it’s women’s time now, since men have been oppressing them since forever. Didn’t you know?
    
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    December 29, 2023 3:40pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yeah, just like colonialism oppressing Maori 🙂
      
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      December 29, 2023 4:13pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Mixed race couple too – very 2023.
  
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  December 29, 2023 8:38pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Tusiata Avia is welcome to out herself as a racist. But not on my dime.

I want a refund.
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December 29, 2023 8:25am
Paulus

Sadly Avia is not alone this being one of the greatest problems that New Zealand has today.
I want what you must give me, because I am important.
The current Welfare State is improperly being used for the last 30 plus years and this is an example of vote getting, not what it was what was intended.
Too easy to do nothing and get paid for it by those taxpayers who pay for them.
Something like 40% of adults are nett taxpayers, that is they pay no tax, and get plenty back – albeit their are many who currently still have needs.
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December 29, 2023 8:31am
- Southern Raider
  
  Same thoughts I have every time I hear about “record demand on food banks” or “toy banks” etc leading up to Xmas.
  
  The demand never seems to get less so is real demand going up exponentially or perceived need.
  
  At those food banks and toy banks is no checks on actual need, always some high end SUV’s and mini vans and people who have travelled long distances to get free stuff.
  
  Reality is the world has turned from majority hard workers looking after their own families to mostly grifters all the way down from certain politicians to social media influencers to bludgers
  
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  December 29, 2023 11:32am
  - cmm
    
    “The demand never seems to get less”
    
    No, it increases because the unwarranted use of food banks etc is normalised.
    
    We have moved from a value set where people only rely on charity when there is dire need to a value set where “There’s free stuff – you must be a fool not to load up.”
    
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    December 29, 2023 1:09pm
  - Paulus
    
    I totally in principal disagree with the modern Foodbank.
    Instead of presents to my family WE donated all what were in financial terms, their presents, to the local Foodbank.
    And I still disagree with the whole foodbank thing, but there are needs greater than ours, and we should remain forever mindful of their needs and wants.
    
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    December 29, 2023 1:15pm
    - wsk12345
      
      Why? There are plenty of charities supporting people or creatures that don’t have the option to help themselves – kids and animals for example. I have a certain amount I can give away each year and mine all goes to animal welfare. I already contribute way more than my share to other causes through being a net taxpayer, and would rather 💯 of my donations go those those in need as opposed to, say, 20% of those using food banks.
      
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      December 29, 2023 3:26pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        Mine all goes to animal welfare too.
        
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        December 30, 2023 12:17am
  - Ghost
    
    My hoarder neighbour uses the food banks. He will go out and buy a shit load of stuff, then the next day you see the local food bank lady bringing their groceries to them.
    
    I’m more than expecting to see the food bank lady again soon as he has just come back from a two week holiday.
    
    He is the reason I never donate to food banks.
    
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    December 29, 2023 1:23pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Tell the foodbank.
      These lazy bastards need their card marked.
      Contrast your neighbour to some genuinely struggling families whose sense of dignity won’t let them go anywhere near a foodbank.
      
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      December 29, 2023 2:26pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Hoarder is probably not lazy (well maybe not). Could well just be short of a few sandwiches in the picnic basket. Piling garbage up to your ceiling, or similar, is not exactly a sign of a healthy mind.
        
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        December 29, 2023 3:12pm
      - Ghost
        
        I actually think it was caused by the Christchurch earthquake. He lost so much including his house that now he stockpiles everything he can.
        
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        December 29, 2023 3:24pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      I donate to the food bank Xmas appeal-but I only donate cat and dog food. At least that way anyone sponging off the food banks might actually feed their animals. If not the food bank will pass it on to the animal welfare agencies.
      
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      December 30, 2023 12:21am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You have visited food bank collection points and observed these “high end SUV’s”? Or are you just gaslighting poor people?
    
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    December 29, 2023 5:30pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      For several years I was a donor to a Palmy outfit “Just Zilch”. People used to give me the “SUV around the corner” stuff from time to time. I was quite friendly with the lady who drove it – I admired her dedication.
      
      If you stood in the queue you might not go with the BMW around the corner nonsense. Basically they were allowed to take maybe two days worth of stuff from a not all that flash selection.
      
      I stopped donating to them because I thought I would donate to another charity for a change.
      
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      December 29, 2023 7:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I bought a new free-standing oven yesterday and when the electrician came around to install it he informed me it had to be fixed in one place on the floor.

“How would I manage to clean around and behind it when (as inevitably happens) something spilled over from a pot”, I asked.

He replied that I’d have to remove the oven door, then unscrew the front kick board on the oven and then somehow slide the oven out of the floor fixture.

Somehow the vision of doing all of that in my twilight years every time a pot of spuds boiled over didn’t seem very attractive or sensible.

So I requested that he didn’t fix the oven to the floor…and I’d sign off that I’d instructed him to do so.

The thought of years of muck accumulating under and around the oven from dried up spills and dirt and dust and mouse droppings/insect bodies, etc seems decidedly unhygienic.
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December 29, 2023 8:53am
- CJames
  
  Probably because of earthquake risks or the like. No doubt a committee – none of whom ran a household – decided this.
  
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  December 29, 2023 9:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It seems to be a precaution against young children climbing on a stove and having it or a pot of boiling liquid falling on the child.
    
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    December 29, 2023 9:10am
  - greybeard
    
    Does that mean that the hundreds of thousands of existing free-standing ovens in New Zealand are illegal in some way ?
    How stupid are some of these “rules”.
    
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    December 29, 2023 9:14am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Its the Health and safety zealots running wild.
      
      Lets hope Minister Semour, disembowels the regulations created by zealot H&S bureaucrats.
      
      First to go. The miles of ridiculous road cones.
      
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      December 29, 2023 3:00pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        There are gold plated health and safety requirements, fit for the most fickle royalty, while many sleep under bushes or in cars, or are kicked from pillar to post (from one over priced mouldy hovel to another) in the rental market. Doesn’t make sense.
        
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        December 29, 2023 3:19pm
- nz_aj
  
  Likely an alternative to restraint chains attaching to the wall, to prevent it turning over if a child climbs on the door or in an earthquake. Chains can be unhooked for cleaning purposes.
  
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  December 29, 2023 9:07am
- Gravelroad
  
  We purchased a top of the range dishwasher a few years ago – just out of warranty now, of course.
  The salesman said it’s three tier interior system which raised the bottom layer was ideal for us old people because we wouldn’t need to bend down to empty it.
  It had to be screwed into the bench side panels for “safety” reasons.
  Out of order now – something to do with drainage and electronics.
  Can anyone fix it?
  Only if we take it to town on back of farm truck- an hour’s drive away.
  After unscrewing it and heaving it on to back of truck.
  
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  December 29, 2023 9:08am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    My oven saga was similar..
    
    We purchased an “exclusive” Swedish design when we arrived in Gisborne 10 years ago (mainly because it had the correct dimensions for the kitchen space available ).
    What a crock of crap… I never used all its eco-settings, or program settings ,or child-safety locks; the Grill setting didn’t work as a regular grill – just browned toppings … and the oven fan was as noisy as !!!!
    So finally, when the thermostat played up on Monday and the oven door decided to go into lock mode all by itself, we decided to get rid of it.
    
    (The electrician who carted it off wondered what was wrong with it as it looked in good shape…. we told him it probably just needed a new thermostat….. He told us that no-one will fix them and the oven will be dumped).
    
    We’ve bought the most basic, bottom of the range available, with a decent grill and minimum electronics. It’s all I require.
    
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    December 29, 2023 9:27am
    - lifesgood
      
      We have lived in this house for 50 years. I had a plumber in recently for minor repairs, he told me that my hot water tank does not now fit code and if it ever needs replacing I will have to get a new one located outside the house. That will be a major job and major cost. What a load of crap. We’ve had 50 years with absolutely no problem at all. I bet some pen pusher had to come up with that gem to justify his/her existence.
      
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      December 29, 2023 9:56am
      - Ghost
        
        My parents had the hospital people and an architect around to work out installing a new bathroom. They were told they need a new hot water cylinder which should be covered in the work they’re going to do. Will be going back in the hot water cupboard, must be some weird council bylaw where you live
        
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        December 29, 2023 10:07am
      - pdm
        
        We had to get a new hot water cylinder about 3/4/months ago. Had to be outside as by law in Hastings precludes inside ones.
        
        Cost $4,113 and as Superannuitants we were eligible for a loan from the Regional Council. We paid ourselves (no loan).
        
        Best move we could have made as we have:
        1. reduction in power cost for water heating
        2. best shower water pressure we have had in any home we have owned.
        
        So to date it has been a good decision.
        
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        December 29, 2023 10:36am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        pdm, $4113? Jesus. Is it something special?
        Last year our cylinder leaked. The Cylinder Guy wants $2600 to replace it.
        Too expensive. I went to suppliers and it cost me $975. Installed it myself.
        Same fittings and three wires. It is not hard.
        
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        December 29, 2023 11:46am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Good idea Maggy,
      “We’ve bought the most basic, bottom of the range available, with a decent grill and minimum electronics.”
      With todays power spikes and surges, Electronics have a minimal life and like you say unrepairable.
      Really ain’t with the hassle.
      
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      December 29, 2023 10:38am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Must say the little air fryers are good
        
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        December 29, 2023 12:26pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Self cleaning ovens are good – they run through a super hot cycle over a few hours turning all deposits into easily wiped ash.
      
      Induction cooktops are fantastic, super fast heat up, wipe-clean and no hot spots to ignite fires.
      
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      December 29, 2023 1:21pm
      - BullyHayes
        
        self-cleaning/pyrolytic ovens tend not to be long-lived. the very high temps on the cleaning cycles also damage the enamel coating on this inside, and electrical components – usually the first to go is the self-locking mech. for the oven door…
        
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        December 30, 2023 10:50am
    - BullyHayes
      
      many electrical items these days seem to suffer from ‘Feature-itis’ – phones, TVs, cars – all full of stuff the average user will never make use of
      
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      December 30, 2023 10:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Take out the bottom spray arm (it just clicks and lifts up.)
    Check the edges for cracks. A crack would mean the water sprays horizontal instead of vertical. Electronics in the door don’t like that. The door may also leak.
    
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    December 29, 2023 10:00am
  - rouppe
    
    Don’t underestimate the power of YouTube.
    
    My dryer was making an awful noise. Google searching suggested it was just the rollers that support the front of the drum.
    
    Found a supplier that sold a pair to me for about $50. YouTube showed me the how. The old rollers were trashed, good as new.
    
    Similarly the electronic panel on my washing machine, still worked but dinner of the wee LEDs showing you the cycle you chose stored working. Minor but…
    TradeMe for a second hand panel at a quarter of the price F&P quoted, and a bit of You Tube to replace it.
    
    As for your drainage, is the filter clean? Have you tried some degreaser in case the hose has gotten blocked from fat build up?
    
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    December 29, 2023 7:58pm
- rockape
  
  They usually chain them to the wall so you can release and pull out easily.
  
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  December 29, 2023 9:15am
  - Burtland
    
    maybe they should instead chain the kids up //
    
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    December 29, 2023 9:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Aren’t Health and Safety Regulations just wonderful?
  Do the regs insist on a fire extinguisher as well?
  
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  December 29, 2023 9:28am
  - cas
    
    Do fire extinguishers have an expiry date? Ours has been sitting clamped to a wall for 20 years and never been used. I can’t see any expiry date but common sense would tell me there must be one.
    
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    December 29, 2023 9:40am
    - Taieri
      
      Do fire extinguishers have an expiry date?
      ———-
      
      They require regular servicing/testing. Every 12 months if I remember. The extent of service depends on the type. 20 years old, never serviced extinguisher will most likely be pretty useless.
      
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      December 29, 2023 9:50am
      - cas
        
        Thank you. I shall get a new one when in town next. Ours is a Chubb.
        
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        December 29, 2023 10:26am
      - Matt Long
        
        Neighbour had one attached to his tractor, gave him a great sense of security. When his tractor caught fire he managed to pull out the burning bird nest and splash water from the drain to put out the wiring.
        Burnt his hands a bit, not sure what he did with the non working extinguisher, landfill I guess.
        
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        December 29, 2023 11:01am
      - mawm
        
        The powder type require a few inversions every year to prevent it settling into a hard cake.
        
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        December 29, 2023 12:10pm
      - cmm
        
        If you get a new one then look out for one with a pressure gauge on it. If the gauge is in the green then it is good – no matter how old it is.
        
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        December 29, 2023 1:13pm
      - rouppe
        
        Cas. Out of interest you could take the old one outside and activate it.
        
        Just to see
        
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        December 29, 2023 8:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Replaced every 10 to 15 years. It will have a date stamped on it. (bottom?)
      Ours is a Womald 0.9kg dry powder/nitrogen 18/11. One in the kitchen and two on my boat.
      Industrial ones get tested every 12 months. Not sure if CO2 ones need the bottle hydrostatic test or not. (like a dive bottle.)
      
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      December 29, 2023 10:15am
      - Taieri
        
        Not sure if CO2 ones need the bottle hydrostatic test or not
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        All pressure vessels need periodical testing. There should be a stamp on the bottle with the date of the last test.
        
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        December 29, 2023 10:32am
      - Master Mariner
        
        At sea, Require a service by a competent person, ie Chief officer every year, Hydrostatic test shoreside every 5 years.
        Some countries/ Flags require every year shore side testing. ie Indonesia, Saudi etc etc. In which case, They quite often come back worse than sent.
        
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        December 29, 2023 10:45am
      - Paulus
        
        My Car – a German has one in the boot attached to the boot side with Velcro, so easy to remove quickly.
        
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        December 29, 2023 11:18am
      - Don Beckett
        
        So Paulus, you have a German in your boot ? 😆
        
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        December 29, 2023 2:37pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Depends what type, I assume Co2 ( Green house gas and all) in which case it may need a new charge.
      Take it down too the fire station and ask ?
      Or dry powder, ( Similar to baking soda), In which case it will need a good shake.
      Either way , There should be a gauge on the side telling you the state of the charge.
      Worse case , I would recommend a Fire Blanket.
      
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      December 29, 2023 10:42am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yep, fire blanket. Have one on the boat.
        
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        December 29, 2023 11:50am
- newview
  
  Another example of PC bollocks Maggy. Greybeard is right about existing free standing ovens. The manufacturer is covering their arse but in reality it’s just another nonsense. If the oven is noticeably lighter than older ones there maybe some justification for it but only maybe.
  
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  December 29, 2023 9:40am
  - MCōs
    
    I have fastened my bookcases to the wall framing to stop them falling over in an earthquake
    We’ve never experienced an earthquake strong enough to topple the bloody things and it may be unlikely in the future, but we ain’t called the shakey isles for nothing & it’s not unheard of for little kids to be killed by falling furniture
    
    When I was in Twizel an apprentice electrician I was acquainted with told me he’d just run over and killed a baby that had crawled under his van parked in the driveway of a house he was working on.
    Do all those tradies illegally parked on footpaths check under their vehicles before they drive off, I think to myself.
    
    Regulations, laws & bylaws are usually there for a reason even if they seem pedantic
    
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    December 29, 2023 10:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      As long as you don’t handcuff yourself to the bed at night.
      That is the wife’s job.//
      
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      December 29, 2023 6:02pm
    - rouppe
      
      Unfortunately the reason is usually that one person, once, had that happen and “it was someone else’s fault”
      
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      December 29, 2023 8:05pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    New,
    
    I think that is the problem, the new ones are too light and with the heavy glass door fully open they are easy to tip.
    
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    December 29, 2023 12:12pm
    - newview
      
      Yes “I’m always”. I had that second thought that everything is made lighter and with the door open might be unbalanced. Maybe some ballast to steady the thing and that would let people get it out for cleaning.
      
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      December 29, 2023 6:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Installed a dishwasher about 8 months ago. Did not know anything about securing it.
  Did not even read the booklet – that is just the manufacturer’s opinion.
  
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  December 29, 2023 10:39am
- Swifty
  
  We were just talking about this during Christmas dinner at my sister’s house.
  
  She’s just bought a new oven which sits on six inch legs – with more than enough room to get your broom or mop under.
  
  I said to her what a great idea – eminently sensible for keeping everything clean and tidy.
  
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  December 29, 2023 11:12am
lastmanstanding

We are living in an era of the tryanny of the Left over the majority. The Left know only violent and disruptive protest designed to impact everyone who doesnt agree with them. They are a bunch are selfish arseholes who dish out behaviour they woyld rightly condemn if it was dished out to them.
So far the peaceful majority have adopted the Christian stance of turning the other cheek. However if the majority decide to fight fire with fire the Left would be crushed and some say deservedly. Of course I couldnt possibly comment.
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December 29, 2023 9:01am
- Southern Raider
  
  I fear it is only going to get worse. If you look at the Twitter profiles of many radical left commentators they will proudly state they are Communist and many Māori young radicals do this now as well.
  
  The West could learn a thing from Israel. Giving the middle finger to the woke left and doing what needs to be done is what the West needs to start doing
  
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  December 29, 2023 11:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who taught you this about ‘Tyranny?’
  Oh, I know. That video from 2009 from the President of International Socialist Youth.
  Can’t remember her name.//
  
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  December 29, 2023 6:09pm
R

kItchen security – ovens etc
The above comments are why NZ so badly needs a Minister of Regulations -unnecessary ones. David Seymours IN tray must already be overflowing, and he hasn’t yet had time to spill coffee on his desk.
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December 29, 2023 9:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It has got out of control. A group of knowalls in Wellington sitting in a circle making up dumb idea and getting paid megabucks. Workshops overdone with the number of fire extinguishers. Smoke stop doors must be closed.
  Fire drills – names entered and checked at the assembly point. “Where were you Steve?” “Out the back turning off the compressor and looking for the fire!” Did it every time.
  Power tools tested for earth leakage (that’s what fuses and circuit breakers are for)
  You must be controlled for your own safety.
  
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  December 29, 2023 10:24am
  - Taieri
    
    Power tools tested for earth leakage (that’s what fuses and circuit breakers are for)
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    Not at all. Fuses and C/B’s are there to deal with over currents, not with earth leakage.
    
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    December 29, 2023 10:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If you pick up an electric tool and it tingles a bit, throw it in the bin.
      
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      December 29, 2023 11:56am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Add Taiere,
        Yes, a 10 amp belt is a good one – I have had many.
        
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        December 29, 2023 6:12pm
  - nzgoose
    
    Test and ath is a rort. Mostly only good the minute it’s tested. Who knows what’s run over it and damaged it straight after testing. Real safety is inspection before use.
    
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    December 29, 2023 11:25am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Related, Pierre Polievre, Canada’s next PM, explains why two houses 20 minutes apart are so different in price:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nnfcQmO1PY
    
    Just think NZ every time he says Canada.
    
    Maybe we should all buy real estate in Florida:
    
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/82-Smith-Trl-Palm-Coast-FL-32164/70743291_zpid/
    
    $300k. Appliances included. 1/4 acre section. Hmm, $3 million in Auckland? $2m in Christchurch? Hell, it’s a million all day long in bloody Timaru.
    
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    December 29, 2023 11:28am
    - Zoro
      
      If Luxon had campaigned like this guy he would have got National deep into the 40% range…instead he dithered and had a bob both ways and opened the door for Act and especially NZ First.
      
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      December 29, 2023 12:59pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Luxon will sharpen up soon I hope.
        The all hui and no doey will get him.
        Drain the Public Sector swamp will be a start!
        
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        December 29, 2023 3:00pm
- artemisia
  
  Who remembers the Loopy Rules Review? Initiated by Paula Bennett I think. There were many submissions, written and also oral in a series of local meetings.
  
  And there was a report. Mr Seymour could do worse than dig out the submissions and the report.
  
  I made a written submission, also oral. The meeting I went to was very well attended and some of the submissions were quite incredible. For example people trying to build on their own section who just gave up after spending thousands and thousands and still bombarded by rules and regs.
  
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  December 29, 2023 10:56am
Yvette

Tusiata Aviv – a poem about “not being able to write a poem”

I cannot write a poem about Gaza because if I speak up for the bodies of babies, for the pieces of children, for the women pulling out their own eyes, you will call me anti-Semitic and I must allow the blood of thousands to absolve me.

I cannot write a poem about Gaza because my fury and my grief will rise up out of my chest like a missile plotted on a computer in Tel Aviv, it will track me, pinpoint me and in a perfect arc, it will whine down out of the surgical sky, enter the top of my head and implode me.

I cannot write a poem about Gaza because Israel has a right to protect itself Israel has a right to protect itself Israel has a right to protect itself Israel has a right to protect itself Israel has a right to protect itself Israel has a right to protect itself Israel has a right to protect itself.

And Gaza does not …

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And Gaza does not… not, perhaps, if they started butchering 1200 people over the border first.
Inviting the wrath of Israel to smash hell out of them, as they always do
Whether they have the “right” or not, it is perhaps the only “truth” in this situation – Israel will always retaliate ten-fold..
And knowing that, Hamas shows utter disregard, even complete contempt, of those “they serve”

‘I cannot write a poem about Gaza’: a poem by Tusiata Avia
I wrote this poem in 2014 in response to the Gaza War. 2,000 people died, the vast majority were Gazan Palestinians

… and Hamas did not heed the poem I did not write
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December 29, 2023 10:27am
- mcdonald.g
  
  Perhaps the poet could read this?
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html
  
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  December 29, 2023 6:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

This may seem a small thing but the censorship nonsense must be stopped.
The usual ratbags are behind this.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/please-sign-our-petition-to-save-the-wanganui-memorial-new-zealands-oldest/
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December 29, 2023 10:34am
- pdm
  
  Petition signed last night.
  
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  December 29, 2023 10:39am
- Ghost
  
  I don’t mind them relocating it. Left where it is it would likely get destroyed, relocate it to where it will be safer.
  
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  December 29, 2023 11:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why give in to the bastards?
    Shit stirrers like Ken Mair and Tariana Turia.
    
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    December 29, 2023 11:59am
    - Ghost
      
      Safer to move it. It’s not like these sort of things don’t get moved. We’ve had two war memorials moved down here because of their stupid locations.
      
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      December 29, 2023 12:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Come on Ghost. All of these things the activists don’t like need to be in Archives NZ, in a bullet proof glass case, in a dark room in case someone should see it.
        Fuck them. If it is damaged, send them to the hinaki. And there is the problem, the hinaki.
        
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        December 29, 2023 3:05pm
      - rouppe
        
        “Safer”?
        
        Safer to lower speed limits.
        
        Safer to require scaffolding to clean the gutters.
        
        Safer for 25000 road cones and 3 sign trucks to mow the berm.
        
        Safer to pay an electrician to change a light bulb.
        
        Come on. Safer is not a reason. It’s become an excuse
        
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        December 29, 2023 8:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sean Connery’s last days. Died with dementia, I did not know.

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/sad-details-emerge-about-original-james-bond-sean-connerys-final-days-fighting-dementia/?
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December 29, 2023 11:27am
Tasman devil

Tusiata is a Pasifika person.

Such people didn’t live here until after colonisation.

Like Captain Cook they weren’t invited here.

If she is true to her concerns about colonisation she could get on an aeroplane departing Aotearoa New Zealand and leave it to the Tangata Whenua.

We know that won’ t happen as she is making a “”living” out of writing sanctimonious vile crap.
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December 29, 2023 11:32am
- Yvette
  
  Tasman devil, perhaps read Tusiata’s children’s story The Rat and the Octopus
  It may be a nasty “just-so” Samoan folk-tale but it is also an unintended autobiography, considering the rat-shit treatment of the rescuing octopus.
  In fact don’t bother reading it – you can guess the storyline.
  
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  December 29, 2023 12:05pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqjaNL2SW_c
Why Labor Parties are in DIRE danger.
The history of the UK and Australian Labour Parties is a fascinating tapestry woven with the threads of social justice, workers’ rights, and political evolution. Born out of the labor movement and trade unions in the late 19th century, the party has undergone significant transformations, shaped by charismatic leaders and pivotal moments.

One of the defining periods in the Labour Party’s history occurred in the aftermath of World War II, under the leadership of Clement Attlee. Elected as Prime Minister in 1945, Attlee’s government implemented sweeping social reforms, including the creation of the National Health Service and the nationalization of key industries. Attlee’s vision was grounded in a commitment to social equality and the welfare state, setting the tone for Labour’s identity as a party championing the rights and well-being of the working class. [25:47]
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December 29, 2023 12:05pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJqbp8k6N-o
Trump to Stay on MI Ballot.
Looks like Donald Trump got a late Christmas present . Libs are seething.
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December 29, 2023 12:06pm
- NothingLeft
  
  But off the ballot in Maine. Democracy, and almost all institutions of state in USA are being eroded before our eyes by 5th columnist Democrats.
  
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  December 29, 2023 1:09pm
  - sungsamning
    
    The GOP can probably do a ‘caucus’ instead, by way of getting around it. That, and SCOTUS will probably stomp on it.
    
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    December 29, 2023 6:48pm
- virtualmark
  
  What the Michigan court said is that under Michigan state law the Michigan Secretary of State has no power to remove Trumps name from the *primary*.
  
  They also noted that the same state laws would likely allow the SoS to remove Trump from the final Presidential election – in the same way they could remove a candidate who didn’t meet the other Contitutional qualifications such as being over 35 and a natural-born American.
  
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  December 29, 2023 1:48pm
- virtualmark
  
  Noting that Maine’s Secretary of State has just removed Trump from Maine’s primaries, on 14th amendment grounds. Each state will have slightly different election laws so there’ll be inconsistencies from state to state.
  
  Ultimately SCOTUS will have to rule on this. I doubt they want to get their hands dirty with this, but it’s an important Constitutional question that SCOTUS is responsible for deciding.
  
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  December 29, 2023 2:06pm
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    I am pretty sure the Supreme Court will keep Trump on the ballot papers across the US. I reckon they will say that before the 14th amendment could apply a person would actually have to be convicted of insurrection. They will also set out the circumstances that would allow such a conviction but that Trumps actions on 6th January don’t meet the threshold.
    The Court might be unanimous on the first point that a conviction is necessary but will be divided on the second point, with the minority saying Trump’s actions did cross the threshold.
    
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    December 29, 2023 3:03pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      To me it appears the aim of all this is simply to be creating delay, diversion and angst for team Trump. The dems and associated scum probably know the SCOTUS will “eventually” shoot all this half baked rubbish down, but they get their jollies endlessly dragging team Trump into the courts.
      
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      December 29, 2023 3:34pm
    - virtualmark
      
      The 14th Amendment is self-executing, which is to say that it doesn’t require a prior conviction to be valid. That’s also the case with the other Constitutional qualifications like age and being born in the US. The US legal code had insurrection charges in place before the 14th Amendment was passed, so if the writers had intended it to require a conviction then surely they’d have written it that way.
      
      Personally I think this SCOTUS, who carry on and on about originalist interpretations, have little or no wriggle room but to ban Trump.
      
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      December 29, 2023 5:22pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        “Self executing”. It is still required to assess whether the person is an insurrectionist. That requires some serious form of process to make that determination given the consequences. Is it realistic to have different processes in each state in respect of a national office?
        You are right that the amendment doesn’t require a conviction, but I am sure the Supreme Court will require a high threshold before someone can be deemed an insurrectionist. A conviction meets that requirement.
        
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        December 29, 2023 8:06pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Wayne,
        
        I recommend reading the judgments from the Colorado state court and Supreme Court. They’re available at
        https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/02nd_Judicial_District/Denver_District_Court/11_17_2023%20Final%20Order.pdf
        
        and https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf
        
        In particular paragraphs 225 to 298 of the state court decision are relevant.
        
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        December 29, 2023 9:39pm
Ghost

I can see future game shows

Who is Christopher Columbus. Ahhhh, can I phone a friend. Hmmmm, ok, bugger, ummm. It’s c he was the actor who played superman

HOUSE BILL No. 1017

Synopsis: K-12 curriculum. Prohibits certain instruction on various historical figures.
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December 29, 2023 12:08pm
Bridgenag

Well different topic entirely. Came across a person who sells her time as a “mentor” to the poor university persons who have no one to talk to . Hard being bosses…… ffs …… I asked who is paying? Their bosses …….i.e. US. 10 sessions paid in advance, used whenever….
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December 29, 2023 12:31pm
Swifty

If you oppose co-governance, for even perfectly legitimate reasons, you are a filthy racist redneck and Brooke van Velden is your puppet master:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qBfcnpoYZns

Good grief, is this the best the NZ left has got?

Calling people names seems to be the height of their reasoned rebuttals.
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December 29, 2023 1:04pm
- miltonF
  
  The deranged left really crack me up. The public eventually catch-on to their totalitarian, undemocratic, inhumane nonsense, and the response is always the same from them. “It wasn’t me” “that never happened”. AKA rewriting history. It’s insulting to kiwis and they should feel ashamed.
  
  In a span of a few months how do they go from “Cogovernance is the bees knees. It’s in the treaty of Waitangi and if you oppose it you are a right wing racist” to “there never was any cogovernance. That’s a made up conspiracy theory spread by right wing trolls to cause division”. Absolute Muppets. A bit like the muppet master Hipkins – “we never forced anyone to take the vaccine”
  
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  December 29, 2023 4:59pm
Tasman devil

Yvette,
I love the double irony: Her poem is autobiographical to her background and biographical to that of the octopus and the rat.

Octopus are indigenous to the Pacific Islands but rats were introduced there from the South Pacific.

Further, this acclaimed writer identifies as Pasifika which is only 50 per cent of her ethnicity.

Her father is Samoan and her mother European, but she doesn’t identify as a whitey.

There aren’t no bucks in being a whitey me thinks.

Sums her up as the opportunistic hypocrite she is.

Although, like the NZ media she makes a “living” out of writing vile crap.
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December 29, 2023 1:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Living” Yeah ok, a paid influencer (so she thinks)
  Does anyone have real jobs anymore?
  
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  December 29, 2023 4:03pm
Tasman devil

Correction: Rats were introduced to the Pacific Islands from South East Asia. They probably had Chinese sounding names to quote Phil the Twyford.
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December 29, 2023 1:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Elon Musk will not let the Govt break the Law or censor X.

“The degree to which government agencies effectively had full access to everything that was going on Twitter blew my mind,” he said.
Looks like the Dems can not behave in 2024 as they did on Twitter in 2020.
Transparency, who wooda thunk that?

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/elon-musk-ill-go-to-prison-personally-if-the-government-tries-to-censor-information-on-x/?
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December 29, 2023 2:39pm
Ghost

Dramatic, Most of New Zealand under heavy rain watches

Hmmmm, maybe just a part of NZ, not most. Heavy rain warnings, watches issued across New Zealand
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December 29, 2023 5:10pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is currently 31 degrees and sunny in Christchurch. Same tomorrow.
  
  Why does the media need to report weather? Can’t folk just check out the Metservice site?
  
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  December 29, 2023 5:32pm
  - Ghost
    
    28 down here.
    
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    December 29, 2023 5:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Two showers today – not pissing down.
  When will the weather dicks stop with the worst-case bullshit?
  Is the strategy to keep boaties off the water?
  Fuck!
  
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  December 29, 2023 6:18pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  A lovely day in the (Hawkes) Bay
  
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  December 29, 2023 8:26pm
fernglas

Congratulations to the great Kiwi success story, Neuren, the bio-tech whose shares have gone up over 200% this year, on the back of positive news in testing its drug NNZ2591 that suggest it may be a treatment, or indeed a cure, for a wide range of neurological disorders. A potential cure for autism, Parkinsons or dementia. Scant attention from NZ media means that Neuren has gone almost unnoticed in the country where it was founded, out of Auckland University. Auckland University held 13.2% of its shares at the time of the IPO in 2004, which would now be worth about $420,000,000 had they not sold all of them off in the meantime.
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December 29, 2023 6:45pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  A lucky escape. Imagine what rubbish AU would spent the dosh on. Poetry, for one.
  
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  December 29, 2023 8:27pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  It may come as a surprise fernglas, but University staff, even though they are used by our media as “experts”, have never been known for commercial acumen or for having any business ability at all. So if your comment is so, then it is no surprise that they sold the enterprise off. None of them would have had any idea what it was worth. For instance, take a look at AUT, they have a Unionist as their Chancellor.
  
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  December 29, 2023 9:55pm
kevn

fern… 2004, that indicates good solid trials.
Not 3 months like ‘you know what’.
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December 29, 2023 7:41pm
greybeard

Sir Trevor Mallard.
What a disgrace.
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December 30, 2023 7:00am
Fisiani2

Celtic play the Unmentionables tonight at 1.30 am. The ref (aka Brother Walsh) supports the team in blue.
Sport is supposed to be fair and neutral but in Scotland no referee has ever seen a Rangers player commit a foul in the penalty box in 182 hours of football. I kid you not. A world record. The game is rigged.
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