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NeverMindTheBollocks

In Japan the MD of Harrods-equivalent Takashimaya has apologised to customers and the nation for delivering hundreds of collapsed strawberry & cream cakes.

Offhand, I can’t think of a single apology made by Labour in the last six years, apart Jacinda’s Dawn Raids cosplay episode.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67825694
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December 28, 2023 8:05am
- peterwn
  
  And a few years earlier a Tokyo subway boss apologised profusely when a train departed 20 seconds early! (never mind that there would be another train a few minutes later).
  
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  December 28, 2023 10:22am
  - lifesgood
    
    That happens regularly…a minute late and a guard comes through the carriages, bows deeply and apologises. The most polite people in the world the Japanese.
    
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    December 28, 2023 11:17am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Japan is unique in many ways.
      
      Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAo0L-2-uI
      
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      December 28, 2023 5:59pm
      - tf78
        
        Thank you so much, that was heartening to watch, we have a lot to learn and unlearn.
        I had the privilege of working for a Japanese company for seven and a half years, I had life long friends.
        
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        December 28, 2023 7:29pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

A 6.5m bronze statue of Colombian singer Shakira, swivelling her hips in the dance move which featured heavily in her popular ‘Hips Don’t Lie’ video, has been unveiled in her hometown.

The gauntlet has been thrown down, Huntly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-67826941
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December 28, 2023 8:06am
- crackle
  
  Surely you mean Morrinsville?
  Could do something along the lines of lips dont lie?
  
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  December 28, 2023 10:23am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Top Twins?
    
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    December 28, 2023 11:46am
Chuck Bird

This shows that there are a lot of different views on climate change. I am not an expert so I am not arguing Arthur Viterito is right. However, I find different views to alarmists interesting.

What’s Driving Climate?

In climate science, it is dogma that increasing atmospheric CO2—a “greenhouse gas”—is the principal driver of climate change. What follows is the politically convenient narrative that the “climate emergency” can only be solved by committing to drastic cuts in CO2 emissions. To do so requires that fossil fuels must be phased out of our energy economy. How scientifically sound is this narrative?

There are many drivers of climate, including long-scale and large-scale variations in solar activity, distribution of atmospheric water vapor, the coming and going of clouds, volcanic and tectonic activity, and ocean currents. How do these other factors compare to the effect of atmospheric CO2 on climate? How do they relate?

Join the National Association of Scholars on tomorrow, September 8, at 2 pm ET as we discuss the various other contributions to climate change.

This webinar will feature Arthur Viterito, a renowned climatologist and physical geographer, and a retired Professor of Geography from the College of Southern Maryland. He has recently published a provocative hypothesis that tectonic activity, and the attendant leakage of heat from the Earth’s core, is the principal driver of climate.

The discussion will be moderated by J. Scott Turner of the National Association of Scholars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QboEUapoms8
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December 28, 2023 8:07am
- peterwn
  
  In the old days someone would be burnt at the stake for climate heresy.
  
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  December 28, 2023 8:30am
  - Ruahine
    
    Look what happened to David Bellamy. Excommunicated.
    
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    December 28, 2023 1:25pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  An interesting side note to this talk shows that in the last 50 years there has been 0.2 degrees C increase in temperatures in the upper Northern hemisphere and 0.01 degrees C increase in the Antarctic region.
  
  Anyone claiming climate change is melting the Antarctic is talking through a “hole in their hat”.
  
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  December 28, 2023 8:39am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That is simply wrong. The Antarctic Peninsula has warmed by 3 degrees Celsius since 1950. This is one source but I could spend all day posting 200 sources saying the same thing.
    
    https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/warming-antarctica
    
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    December 28, 2023 8:44am
    - Inandout
      
      BY, on such a touchy subject UCAR’s wording should be read in context.
      
      ‘This website is based upon work supported by the National Center for Atmospheric Research, a major facility sponsored by the National Science Foundation and managed by the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research. Any opinions, findings and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of the National Science Foundation’.
      
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      December 28, 2023 9:04am
    - Tomtoddy
      
      The University of Alabama data set is the most credible source of info on temperature change and they show virtually no change in temperature in the Antarctic region with most of the increases in the very north of the planet. See 16 mins into the video posted by Chuck Bird earlier for actual proof.
      
      There may be areas of Antarctic where temps are higher but they are confined to the western side of the continent and the peninsula near Chile. That is mostly volcanic activity not climate change.
      
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      December 28, 2023 9:14am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        What is the basis of your assertion that the University of Alabama data set is the most credible source of info?
        
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        December 28, 2023 9:17am
      - All_on_Red
        
        The University only collates the Data which is from the Satellite Network launched by Nasa and NOAA in Nov 1978
        They measure temp globally, especially in the Troposphere where apparently the ‘hot spots’ are supposed to be happening
        
        Btw Byrd Station in Antarctica had a record low this August of -45.54C
        BY is right in that it was warmer in 1983. Colder now- natural variation?
        August 1983: -42.5 C
        August 198:1 -43.0 C
        August 1978: -43.7 C
        September 1986: -44.7 C
        August 2023: -45.54 C
        I think the one at Concordia Research Station had a record low in June too (-83.2C).
        
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        December 28, 2023 9:45am
      - Don Beckett
        
        One could hardly say, that seeing those temperatures, that it was warmer – it was less cold – it is still bloody cold at – 42.5 C, and ice will remain ice – it won’t start melting.
        
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        December 28, 2023 10:41am
      - CJames
        
        Dudley
        If you go here: https://climate4you.com/ they detail all the temperature series and their corrections. Strangely all the adjustments depress the past and make the warming appear greater. Why would that be. In theory, corrections should go both ways.
        
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        December 28, 2023 12:53pm
      - tf78
        
        I think there are weather patterns and geology which show how the climate varies. “Climate Change” is all about money and power nothing else.
        
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        December 28, 2023 7:44pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      It is then more likely to be a reduction in wind chill temperature.
      ie Less wind as the dry Polar Easterlies are reduced. ??
      
      Also keep in mind that there are very few weather stations and most have popped up over the last 10-20 years along with satelite data etc.
      
      As far as sea ice is concerned , 1976-2016 in Antarctica, Then watch this from Nasa / Sea and Ice centre.
      https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3CJMtJek4pE
      There is also a great Artic time lapse as well which i have previously linked / or easy to find.
      
      Remember the Antarctic is the driest continent on Earth, Dry / Cold Air unable to hold moisture. A little known but interesting fact.
      
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      December 28, 2023 10:46am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Some people imagine that freezing stops water loss or gain, but even air at -50°C holds some water, and it is relative humidity that counts. Ice will sublimate into water vapour if the air is below 100% humidity, and as air drops from the antarctic or greenland icesheets in the powerful catabatic flows that are so typical of those places it warms up (lapse rate) and becomes less humid, meaning it will slowly erode ice via sublimation.
        
        I’ve seen 200mm of snow in northern China disappear over 2 weeks at consistent -10 to -30°C temperatures as super dry air from Siberia blew in.
        
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        December 28, 2023 11:40am
    - CJames
      
      BY
      A significant proportion of the Antarctic Peninsula that has shown elevated temperatures are actually north of the Antarctic Circle so technically outside the polar region.
      The body of the continent, as shown by the temperature recording of the bases which have been continuously occupied since about 1960 (Scott Amundsen, McMurdo, Casey, Davis) have not shown any rise.
      The peninsula is regarded as being in a different zone.
      
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      December 28, 2023 12:49pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep. Less than 24hrs steaming from Patagonia in a ship.
        Weather permitting of course.
        Spent quite a bit of time there.
        Key word is Peninsular.
        Its where the Westerlies converge with Polar Easterlies.
        Aint Meterology great.😀
        
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        December 28, 2023 1:32pm
      - alwyn.a
        
        “Less than 24hrs steaming from Patagonia in a ship”.
        Nothing to do with the real topic of course but are there any ships, excluding those with nuclear power, still in operation that can really be described as “steaming”?
        The nuclear powered warships use steam turbines but are there any other ships that still boil water to provide the power?
        
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        December 28, 2023 2:21pm
gravedodger

Recovering from a nasty bout of upset tummy something avoided for some sixty years wondering if any connections to a diminished immune response system that has allowed incidences of sniffles ad minor heath issues since participating unwillingly in an mRNA experiment courtesy of a government gone rogue.
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December 28, 2023 8:08am
- MCōs
  
  Maybe or maybe you ate/drank something that disagreed with you
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:42am
  - mawm
    
    He certainly did but his point is that in the past his immune system has been able to cope with various infective agents. I suspect that you already knew that.
    
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    December 28, 2023 10:01am
    - MCōs
      
      All our immune systems can cope with ‘various infective agents’ to some degree
      
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      December 28, 2023 11:58am
      - mawm
        
        As usual you twist things around to hide the fact that you are wrong. Our immune systems are there to cope with infective agents. The point is that some people have had their immune system compromised and the most likely cause (Bradford-Hill criteria) is a novel untested vaccination that is neither safe or effective.
        
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        December 28, 2023 9:39pm
- Dougal10
  
  There is a particularly nasty one doing the rounds. It didn’t discriminate along vax lines in our house.
  
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  December 28, 2023 1:38pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Guy at work has just had Covid for the third time. Big supporter of the vax. He was looking forward to taking my job when I was due to be terminated before my work reversed their policy at the last minute.
  
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  December 28, 2023 2:44pm
- tf78
  
  Make sure you go to the doc and get tested for campylobacter that needs some good antibiotics pronto as it can lead to serious issues.
  
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  December 28, 2023 7:53pm
- rouppe
  
  Travelling in Europe at the moment. Got the first cold I’ve had in years.
  
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  December 28, 2023 8:24pm
G152

In the 60s we were told that we were coming out of an Ice Age.
Fair enough.
Now this has grown into a worldwide scare of global warming and in spite of the evidence of global whitening and variable temperatures from odd sites nothing is happening.
Apart from green scare tactics
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December 28, 2023 8:19am
- newview
  
  Regardless of what’s causing it the sea appears to be warming and the Antarctic ice cap is melting causing more intense weather events and this is happening.
  
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  December 28, 2023 10:24am
  - G152
    
    The seas ‘warming’ is only the thermocline otherwise known as the surface.
    And below the thermocline lie all the rest of the ocean at very cold temperatures
    
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    December 28, 2023 10:45am
    - newview
      
      Yes but the surface is where evaporation takes place and so there is more evaporation therefore more water in the atmosphere creating heavier rain events. I would have thought.
      
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      December 28, 2023 10:56am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yes, and LESS sea level rise. 🙂
        
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        December 28, 2023 11:29am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The Antarctic ice shelf area grew by 5305 square kms from 2009-2019, adding 661 gigatonnes of ice.
    
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    December 28, 2023 4:22pm
    - newview
      
      That’s BS as you are only telling half the story. It also lost about the same amount over the same period. The summer melt is more prevalent because of higher temperatures.
      Summer Arctic sea ice extent is shrinking by 12.2% per decade due to warmer temperatures.
      
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      December 28, 2023 7:09pm
      - rouppe
        
        The Arctic sea ice shrank a shit ton, and sea levels rose 120m in the 20,000 years leading up to this as well.
        
        But I guess that’s different.
        
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        December 28, 2023 8:27pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Indonesian protesters on Banda Aceh storm refugee shelter calling for deportation of Burmese Rohingya refugees.

Interesting that Muslim Indonesia is not too keen on accepting Muslim Rohingya.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/indonesian-protesters-storm-refugee-shelter-calling-deportation-rohingya-2023-12-27/
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December 28, 2023 8:19am
Paulus

I se that the name of New Zealand appears to have been dropped in almost every respect and replaced by a novelty word which is claimed by many to be created by Maori.
That the so called media lost the Election is no reason for this kind of behaviour.
I have written to the relative Minister (and acknowledged) and have sad that if required it could be New Zealand Aotearoa in that order.
I think that, despite some comments, we will see more everything Maori introduced into New Zealand Society this year, and continually in the future.
As I am in the very twilight of years, sadly, at least, I will not see this occur.
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December 28, 2023 8:28am
- artemisia
  
  Dr Brash is reporting an absolutely outrageous example where the Real Estate Authority is cancelling a long standing real estate agent’s licence because they asked for an exemption that was declined. No reason given. The exemption request related to a “1.5 hour programme … provided and the agents assessed by a politically-motivated Maori group from the Bay of Plenty area”.
  
  http://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-the-new-government-has-one-helluva-a-task-in-front-of-it-compulsory-indoctrination-is-un
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:09am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Name and shame – here are the people responsible for this policy
    
    https://www.rea.govt.nz/about-rea/our-people/
    
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    December 28, 2023 9:28am
    - TripeWryter
      
      Off-ropic, I know …
      
      ‘Outside work, Belinda [Moffatt] is passionate about arts, culture and media and supporting tamariki and rangatahi to reach their potential.’
      
      The CEO of an organisation should know that you cannot ‘reach potential’.
      You can realise it or fulfil it – but you cannot ‘reach’ what is already inside you waiting to be realised or fulfilled.
      
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      December 28, 2023 10:38am
  - Inandout
    
    art, the answer lies with the vendor who is (at this point) permitted to sell their own property. The only way to frighten the real estate horses is to bypass their fee loaded services until such time as they, as a body. demand the REA pull this treaty crap.
    
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    December 28, 2023 10:00am
  - Taieri
    
    Dr Brash is reporting an absolutely outrageous example
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    Dr Brash is wrong. There’s nothing “outrageous” about this requirement.
    Te Tiriti o Waitangi is quite specific about the requirements for licensing real estate agents. In the Article 5347 , Subparagraph 14562 (a), Rev 1928, Nga tikanga mo te raihana i nga kaihoko whare (Procedures for licensing real estate agents), it stipulates that “no nga kaihoko whare (real estate agent) shall be granted a licence, unless he/she/they prove(s) the knowledge of the Tikanga Maori to the satisfaction of an examiner(s) appointed by the local Iwi.”
    
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    December 28, 2023 10:22am
    - Paulus
      
      Which Article refers to Real Estate Agents – one two or three in the Treaty of Waitangi in whatever language.
      
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      December 28, 2023 1:55pm
      - Taieri
        
        Article 5347
        
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        December 28, 2023 5:30pm
  - Jethrod
    
    Well I never knew that the REA existed.
    Just another government body(is it a quango) which is a job for boys/girls. Probably meet once a month in Wellington to do the bidding of the government, all expenses paid…. where is the Minister of Regulation when needed.
    So to control the RE industry there is a 2 level bureaucracy.
    Imagine if David Seymour waved his big stick and the 1513 other little authorities were reduced, that would fix the swamp in Wellington a lot.
    
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    December 28, 2023 10:39am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      REAA’s main job is to protect the public from unscrupulous real estate agents. It licences them, and adjudicates complaints. Its decisions are subject to judicial review.
      
      A court case objecting to REAA’s decision, i.e. questioning the relevance of Treaty training as a requirement to be certified as a fit & proper person for the purpose of selling houses, would be interesting.
      
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      December 28, 2023 11:55am
      - artemisia
        
        According to Dr Brash’s post, there is an appeal process. He also mentions that the requirement in question is mandatory, so can we assume that the authority is not anxious to be named racist if exemptions are given?
        
        Mind you in 4 days time it will no longer be mandatory. Now I wonder how and why that change was made. The whole thing sounds very much like high farce, and high ridicule usually follows. Well guess what, REA.
        
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        December 28, 2023 1:53pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    A small rump of activist administrators and HR – a home for mostly low-talent heavily indoctrinated arts grads with no useful talents other than a pulse and willingness to do excruciatingly boring admin work, wield excessive policy power over organisations.
    
    They need to have their claws pulled.
    
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    December 28, 2023 11:45am
- pdm
  
  Paulus was that the former Labour staffer Morgan Godfrey’s piece?
  
  If it was I took advantage of their tick boxes at the end to tell them:
  1. It made me angry.
  2. New Zealand was the nme of our country and Aotearoa was a mythical plac e which does not exist.
  
  My theory is if enough people do that the message will eventually sink in.
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:14am
  - Paulus
    
    pdm
    Sorry – not sure I know who Morgan Godfrey is or was ?
    
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    December 28, 2023 1:58pm
    - sirknz
      
      From memory, a former union hack, former staffer for a Labour MP, former lecturer in entrepreneurship at otago, current lecturer in something else that’s pure bullshit, weekly column writer for $1 media.
      
      Doesn’t seem to list his iwi affiliations though. Not sure why.
      
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      December 29, 2023 11:26am
  - tf78
    
    Percy Smith an English man, made up the name “Aotearoa” which only refers to the North Island anyway, so we get the last laugh.
    
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    December 28, 2023 8:06pm
- greybeard
  
  I too have noticed that Stuff in particular has been pushing the “Aotearoa” angle for some time and this morning was compelled to send the editor the following email:
  ” Why do you persist in calling our country “Aotearoa”?
  It is “New Zealand”.
  The rest of the world knows that, and that is what they use.
  There is no shame in using “New Zealand”, just as there is no shame in calling us “New Zealanders”, not “kiwis”.
  Why the denial ? Why the euphemisms ?
  You use “Australia” and “Australians”, so please give up this pandering to minorities and admit that we live in “New Zealand” and we are “New Zealanders”.
  
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  December 28, 2023 11:07am
  - Dead Earnest
    
    Shouldn’t we therefore be referred to as Aotearoans or perhaps Nga Aotearoa?
    
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    December 28, 2023 6:57pm
    - tf78
      
      NO!
      
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      December 28, 2023 8:09pm
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    Grey, you’ll freak then to know FIFA’s rankings list us to the world as Aotearoa New Zealand. Clearly they’ve done that at the best of New Zealand Football (note they’ve not changed their own name).
    It’s the insidious nature of it that annoys me rather than the country being mature enough to debate and decide these things. I don’t actually object to the word and if the country (everyone, not just Chloe’s comrades committee) voted to change, I’d be fairly relaxed. But don’t impose it and then shout racists when people query it.
    The creeping use of Aotearoa New Zealand actually harms their cause because it alienates moderate people and makes them fear it is the thin end of a wholesale takeover they will have no say in.
    And while I’m at it, why do they insist on saying the country’s name twice? The Germans don’t keep spouting Deutschland Germany, do they, you morons.
    
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    December 28, 2023 8:56pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    100%, greybeard! This insidious Aoteoroa nonsense is quite bizarre – no one asked for it, there’s no public debate on it so what’s driving it? I’ve been dismayed at the increasing use of the infantile “kiwi” instead of “New Zealander” in recent years too. Are we no longer New Zealanders? Or perhaps it just has too many syllables for these morons.
    
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    December 29, 2023 1:22am
- rjay
  
  Being the Treaty led person that I am, I feel we should use the name of the country in the te reo version i.e. Niu Tireni. This Aotearoa thing is the name of the north island only. If we all make an effort to likewise follow the words of te tiriti we should annoy sufficient activists to make things amusing.
  
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  December 28, 2023 11:29am
  - Ehlana
    
    I would pronounce that “new tyranny”, which sounds quite apt really.
    
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    December 28, 2023 11:51am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Rjay
    
    Ironically Niu Tereni sounds like pidgin for new terrain which leaves us no closer to a pre European name as from when we started.
    
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    December 28, 2023 3:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Trump campaign never really ended.
11.23.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nO5B5Ci98o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnnC7Te9C7Y
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December 28, 2023 8:32am
- Inandout
  
  SO, and I must add Trump who can complete sentences without having brain fade.
  
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  December 28, 2023 10:03am
- Its only I
  
  Strange how that dude in orange makeup keeps saying he is up against obama…what’s that all about?
  
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  December 28, 2023 10:16am
  - Jethrod
    
    Obama is the puppet master?
    
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    December 28, 2023 10:41am
    - Inandout
      
      Jeth, yes but which Obama is the master?
      
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      December 28, 2023 11:16am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Inandout
        
        They are both fine men!
        
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        December 28, 2023 3:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Obama is not finished with wrecking America yet.
    It is quite possible that Mike Obama may be Joe’s replacement to run. Otherwise Hillary.
    
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    December 28, 2023 11:18am
    - Ghost
      
      Presidents are nothing but puppets, Obama, Clinton, Trump. They are no different, they are all so deeply owned and controlled puppets, actors, standing on the stage and doing as they’re told. Some fall for the story and think Trump is different. He isn’t.
      
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      December 28, 2023 11:32am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        MAGA.
        
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        December 28, 2023 1:45pm
      - tf78
        
        Trump is not one of them, he loves America and that’s their problem.
        
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        December 28, 2023 8:11pm
      - Ghost
        
        You only become president if you are one of them. You’ve been deceived
        
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        December 28, 2023 10:43pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @tf78,
        And that is why the people who support him will vote for him.
        I can see his votes breach the fake 81 million that they say Joe got. The people mean business this time.
        
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        December 29, 2023 9:35am
imalwaysright

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
What a bunch of pricks

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/25/israel-intensifies-occupied-west-bank-raids-on-christmas-day
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December 28, 2023 8:39am
- kowtow
  
  AJ, a Muslim funded propaganda outlet, outraged at a Jewish anti terror operation occuring on a Christian holy day in response to a Tehran Muslim orchestrated outrage on a Jewish holy day that AJ ( and other Muslim apologists ) weren’t outraged about.
  
  I agree , pricks ; AJ that is.
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:19am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Well, yes, Al Jazeera-owned by the Qatar Govt
    I guess Antisemites have to get justification for their bigotry from somewhere…
    
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    December 28, 2023 9:37am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Sorta like BBC owned by UK Governmnet
      ABC owned by Australian Govt
      TV1 & RNZ (some might say NZ herald etc) owned by NZ Gummint
      etc etc
      ad nauseum.
      
      But hey pick on news you dont like and then slag off its ownership
      
      May as well add all the Murdoch owned media as well.
      
      Its the content of news reports that should be verified, who gives a toss about who the shareholders are.
      
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      December 28, 2023 1:32pm
      - emmess
        
        Dont like any of those either
        
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        December 28, 2023 7:02pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Also an interesting side note, Is Bill Gates has invested in Al Jazeera.
    This results in these “Journalistic” articles,
    https://www.aljazeera.com/program/talk-to-al-jazeera/2012/9/2/bill-and-melinda-gates-changing-the-world/
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/press-in-his-pocket-bill-gates-buys-media-to-control-the-messaging/
    And,
    “Gates also sponsors a myriad of influential foreign organizations, including the BBC, The Guardian, The Financial Times and The Daily Telegraph in the United Kingdom; prominent European newspapers such as Le Monde (France), Der Spiegel (Germany) and El País (Spain); as well as big global broadcasters like Al-Jazeera.”
    
    Another side note, During Saudi and UAE blockade of Qatar, The requirement was too dismantle Al Jazeera.
    
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    December 28, 2023 11:00am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Perhaps he’s interested in the access to pubescent girls available to rich elderly men in Islam.
      
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      December 28, 2023 11:48am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Bear in mind that (generally speaking), neither side is Christian
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:22am
- Lance
  
  Hamas terrorists keep firing missiles at Israel and keep shooting at them.
  They are obvioulsly still an activbe force
  
  Where is the pleading with Hamas to stop fighting?
  Where is the pleading to stop hiding amongst civilians?
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:46am
- MCōs
  
  Elderly Jewish comedian, Alexei Sayle, with his point of view https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1739610945167483144?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:47am
  - Inandout
    
    MC, he is of course a comedian and as Ricky Gervais once said … ‘If you can’t joke about the most horrendous things in the world, what’s the point of jokes? What’s the point in having humor? Humor is to get us over terrible things’.
    
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    December 28, 2023 10:15am
    - MCōs
      
      According to Alexei Sayle
      “My feeling is it’s the comedian’s job to make comedy
      To find humour in even the darkest situations . . . . “
      
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      December 28, 2023 12:09pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Sayle’s always been somewhat to the left of Marx. He identifies as a radical sniper at the walls of civilisation with the usual superficial unworkable revolutionary ‘answers’ that would only ever leave society worse off.
    
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    December 28, 2023 11:53am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Didn’t someone kill his brother?
    
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    December 28, 2023 2:59pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Brian Gamage.
      
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      December 28, 2023 3:11pm
Wayne Mapp

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Chuck,
The College of Southern Maryland is nowhere near a leading university. Not in the first rank, or the second rank, not even the third rank. Basically it is a mid level polytechnic/community college that prepares people to go to institutions with four degrees.
How likely is it that the Professor Viterito is world renowned in the field of climate science? I do note he is an advisor to Heartland Institute, which is well known for promoting the skeptic line on climate change..
In contrast Professor Renwick from Victoria University is actually world renowned in the climate science field.
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December 28, 2023 8:47am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Wayne, would Professor Renwick be prepared to debate with Dr Curry?
  
  Also, what qualification has Rod Carr or for that matter James Shaw?
  
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  December 28, 2023 8:58am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Chuck,
    Rod Carr has a PhD in insurance !
    The jury is out on Shaws qualifications .
    Maybe they are a state secret like the answer to Maureen Pugh’s question for some proof of the greens climate change allegations .
    
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    December 28, 2023 9:23am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Wayne, would Professor Renwick be prepared to debate with Dr Curry?
    
    Why do you keep asking such meaningless, throwaway questions, Chuck? You’ve done it a number of times this year. It’s infuriating.
    
    You know such debates are never going to happen. Would Dr Curry be prepared to debate a New Zealand scientist? You never ask that question, do you?
    
    Would their employers allow such debates to take place? Who would pay for them? Who would arrange them? You? In what format would such debates occur?
    
    I tried to point out to you the futility of your question on 4 August, here, https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/08/general_debate_04_august_2023.html/comment-page-1#comment-3413884, but here you are, still asking it, or a variation of it, today.
    
    Please desist. It does you no credit.
    
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    December 28, 2023 10:16am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      You know such debates are never going to happen. Would Dr Curry be prepared to debate a New Zealand scientist? You never ask that question, do you?
      
      I have asked Dr Curry and she would be happy to debate any climate alarmist.
      
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      December 28, 2023 10:27am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Our comments are crossing.
        
        Again, well done, Chuck. Of course, that’s easy for her to say, isn’t it, knowing that such debates will almost certainly not take place – certainly not with New Zealand scientists/academics. Have you posted her response to you? Have you informed Professor Renwick that she is happy to debate him?
        
        If he says, “Okay, I’ll debate her”, will you arrange it, and pay for it? If not, who do you think might? Who would be the debate moderator, do you think?
        
        In conclusion, it is difficult to disagree with Dr Renwick that such debates “would provide plenty of heat but little light.”
        
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        December 28, 2023 10:48am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        @Steve Todd
        
        If he says, “Okay, I’ll debate her”, will you arrange it, and pay for it? If not, who do you think might? Who would be the debate moderator, do you think?
        
        I will take part in arranging it. It is very unlikely that any alarmist will debate so I am not going to start making arrangements in advance.
        
        I think farmers groups may help out.
        
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        December 28, 2023 11:04am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        @Steve Todd
        
        Have you seen Dr Koonin’s debates?
        
        He won 4 out of 5 and drew on the fifth.
        
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        December 28, 2023 11:11am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Such a debate is pointless. It is analogous to demanding a physician or a pharmacist to debate a homeopathist. Why would they?
        
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        December 28, 2023 11:17am
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Chuck Bird @ 11:04AM
        
        It is very unlikely that any alarmist will debate […].
        
        Regardless, such debates will never take place, for whatever reason. The closest we could get to such an exchange of views would be at some international conference, where the discussion was tightly controlled by the Chairperson.
        
        By all means, continue to debate climate change here, Chuck, but please stop asking the rhetorical question, “Will [the person you disagree with] debate [the person you agree with]?” As I say, such questions are meaningless.
        
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        December 28, 2023 11:35am
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Chuck Bird @ 11:11AM
        
        This is just a courtesy reply, Chuck.
        
        Your question is irrelevant as to why I have engaged with you this morning.
        
        No, I have not seen Dr Koonin’s debates. I have other interests that consume my time.
        
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        December 28, 2023 11:42am
      - All_on_Red
        
        So how would Koonin and Curry go against Renwick?
        Here is Koonin; received his Bachelor of Science from the California Institute of Technology and his Ph.D. from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology under the supervision of Arthur Kerman in the MIT Center for Theoretical Physics.[4][5][6] In 1975, Koonin joined the faculty of the California Institute of Technology as an assistant professor of theoretical physics becoming one of their youngest ever faculty.
        ‘He has served on numerous advisory bodies for the National Science Foundation, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Energy and its various national laboratories, such as the JASON defense advisory group, which he has chaired.[14] Koonin’s research interests have included theoretical nuclear, many-body, and computational physics, nuclear astrophysics, and global environmental science.’
        
        So, a Nuclear Physicist.
        What about Curry?
        ‘Curry graduated cum laude from Northern Illinois University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science (B.S.) degree in geography. She earned her geophysical sciences Ph.D. from the University of Chicago in 1982.[‘
        Curry was professor of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of Colorado-Boulder, and had previously held faculty positions at Penn State University, Purdue, and the University of Wisconsin-Madison.[6] Curry was active in researching possible connections between hurricane intensity and global warming.[11][12] [13] Among her awards is the Henry G. Houghton Research Award from the American Meteorological Society in 1992’
        
        An Award from AMS!
        
        And; ‘former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. Her research interests include hurricanes, remote sensing, atmospheric modeling, polar climates, air-sea interactions, climate models, and the use of unmanned aerial vehicles for atmospheric research. She was a member of the National Research Council’s Climate Research Committee,[1] published over a hundred scientific papers, and co-edited several major works.[2] Curry retired from academia in 2017 ‘
        
        So, a Climatologist.
        I think they would cause Renwick some issues…
        
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        December 28, 2023 12:15pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        @All_on_Red
        
        Good point. Both of these people are very smart and good at debate.
        
        The less competent climate scientists here are not stupid enough to debate them. They would look stupid.
        
        The climate alarmism here by Luxon is damaging to our farmers.
        
        Methane is a trace gas with a short life and should not be taxed. I went to a talk put on by Groundswell who got Dr Sheahen out here from the US.
        
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        December 28, 2023 1:28pm
      - JJ56
        
        BY: ‘It is analogous to demanding a physician or a pharmacist to debate a homeopathist.”
        
        Hardly worthy of you. There are nutters on both sides of the climate divide, not that homeopathists are necessarily nutters, but climate science is a very new area and has attracted its fair share of second rate followers.
        
        My view is it is still very uncertain what is happening, we have limited data, particularly in the southern hemisphere (and even more so Antarctica), and simple explanations like anthropogenic GHGs won’t pass the test of time unscathed.
        
        But each to their own.
        
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        December 28, 2023 2:46pm
  - Burtland
    
    pay him handsomely for twenty or thirty years and he might
    hes one of the “science is settled” grifters
    
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    December 28, 2023 2:08pm
- kowtow
  
  Given the evidence of how left wing/woke so called “leading” universities are , can they be called “leading” at all.
  
  Other than leading in b/s and the propagation of anti west , anti science, anti rational nonsense.
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:21am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Koonin dabate
    
    University of Texas-Austin: What does climate science tell us about greeenhouse gas emissions?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ApEnMb6Sl4
    
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    December 28, 2023 1:47pm
- Che Guava
  
  Is he right, or is he wrong? That’s what matters, not how “renowned” he or anyone else is or isn’t.
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:22am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    He’s wrong. There you go.
    
    Oh, you’re not willing to accept my word for it? Fair enough. Define specifically what you would be prepared to accept as an authoritative answer.
    
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    December 28, 2023 9:31am
    - Che Guava
      
      “Define specifically what you would be prepared to accept as an authoritative answer.”
      
      In the case of any truth claim, I’d be prepared to accept good evidence for the the claim being made. That seems to me to be the sole criterion, not where someone works or where they went to school, which is interesting context but cannot determine the truth or falsity of a proposition.
      
      Saying “he’s/she’s/they’re wrong” without any further elaboration isn’t going to impress anyone.
      
      The point is that credentials (or lack of) are irrelevant if you are wrong (or right), as the case may be.
      
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      December 28, 2023 9:37am
      - All_on_Red
        
        There’s a lot of evidence over the past 20 years that Renwick makes claims which are extreme and alarmist.
        As recently as 2020 he was sayin the ‘ecosystem will collapse in 40 years’.
        The IPCC in AR6 contradict his claims- like weather will get more extreme- amongst other things.
        
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        December 28, 2023 9:53am
      - Che Guava
        
        “… Renwick makes claims which are extreme and alarmist.”
        
        Well, on that basis alone, he probably does have what it takes to be a “mainstream” climate “expert” and to have the ear of world leaders.
        
        When I look at who tends to make the most extreme and alarmist statements, it seems to be those in the positions of greatest institutional influence.
        
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        December 28, 2023 10:29am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Che
        You can attribute their coverage to the propaganda media.
        They will never publish anyone who tells the truth.
        
        As the great president Biden once said “I prefer the truth over facts any day!”
        
        I assume he believes that truth is always capitalised, or maybe he’s just thick.
        
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        December 28, 2023 3:33pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  Shouldn’t the quality of the science presented and whether it stands challenge be the determining factor in its status rather than the pecking order of the university and any connections the author has with other institutions?
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:33am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Tom,
    
    That is correct. The real job of scientists is to use their intellect to prove their conclusions are wrong, and to continue to do so.
    
    In the meantime we make do with what we have and accept new information as it presents.
    
    The problems occur when financial interest becomes vested in untested theories that are presented as “Science” .
    
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    December 28, 2023 10:03am
    - Burtland
      
      the UN has shutdown all debate on the topic, only retired scientists dare comment
      
      “We own the science & the world should know it”
      – Melissa Fleming, Under-Secretary-General for Global Communications at the UN
      
      shes a journalist, says it all really
      
      https://sociable.co/government-and-policy/we-own-science-world-should-know-un-wef-disinformation/
      
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      December 28, 2023 2:32pm
  - cmm
    
    The illustrious Harvard Medical School appointed that scammer Elizabeth Holmes to their Board of Fellows.
    Names do not impress.
    
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    December 28, 2023 1:17pm
    - Paulus
      
      Is Holmes not currently in Prison ?
      
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      December 28, 2023 2:02pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Wayne, the professor will not debate but bad mouths Dr Koonin. Very few alarmists will debate.
  
  Kia ora Chuck –
  
  Thanks for getting in touch. Yes I have science degrees, as many others do. I am aware of the book “Unsettled” and its author Steve Koonin. My understanding is that he misrepresents many aspects of the science of climate change, as discussed for instance at
  
  https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2021/05/a-critical-review-of-steven-koonins-unsettled/
  
  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-new-book-manages-to-get-climate-science-badly-wrong/
  
  I do not feel inclined to engage in a debate with Dr Koonin over the science of climate change as I expect that would provide plenty of heat but little light. In any case, the veracity of our understanding of how the climate system works and how it is changing does not come down to a debate between two people of differing views. The breadth of the scientific literature is where we can assess our understanding of the science. A broad summary of that literature, as found in IPCC reports, is clear on the realities of climate change.
  
  Regards
  James
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:53am
  - Steve Todd
    
    I post my response to you (10:16AM, above), then see this. Good on you, Chuck.
    
    I wouldn’t mind betting you would get a near-identical reply from Dr Curry (in the unlikely event she bothered to respond to you).
    
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    December 28, 2023 10:29am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Dr Curry told me she is willing to debate any climate alarmist.
      
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      December 28, 2023 2:25pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Thanks Chuck for the links.
    I loved the first link.
    
    Especially the oft repeated scientist consensus thing. Keep in mind this consensus claim was first generated by a paper in 2004!!!!!!!!
    
    “”he recruited three scientists to represent the 97% consensus, and three contrarians, presumably to speak for the other 3%””
    
    So now why did I stop reading.
    His bias upfront and clear. He could have said 3 for the question, 3 against.
    
    As any poll creator will attest its the formation of the question that is important.
    
    I am sure 100% of self identifying scientists will agree that
    manmade emissions CONTRIBUTE to climate change
    
    While some climate qualified scientists may NOT agree
    manmade emissions CAUSE climate change
    
    Sort of like taking a kid into a lolly shop and saying would you like a lolly. Predictable response.
    
    Now take same kid to front of lolly shop and ask kid would you like a lolly here or an icecream next door.
    
    The first will say ALL kids like lollies.
    The second wil not give that response as obviously some will prefer icecream.
    
    And so it is for various claims based on some poll or other. So always look at the poll question and context.
    
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    December 28, 2023 2:16pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Skepticism is the hallmark of science, non-skeptics with their articles of faith are not scientists. It’s notable that most prominent skeptics in climate science are highly experienced greybeards with whole careers in science who no longer have to bend the knee to Millennialist dogma to make a living.
  
  Over the last generation all branches of academia outside of perhaps hard sciences (which climatology is not) have been corrupted by politically imposed requirement to follow misanthropic far-left ideology.
  
  Every scientist with a technical analysis bent who looks at the nuts and bolts of climatology will tell you it’s mostly junk. Climate models can’t and never will work – they are oversimplified and don’t model essential water cycle and localised convective physics.
  
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  December 28, 2023 12:02pm
grumpy

Pathetic Stuff run a US media hit piece on Trump and the security needed for Colorado Judges but leave out the part in the CNN report that there have been no threats.
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December 28, 2023 9:05am
- MCōs
  
  It seems there have been threats as one would expect
  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/police-increase-security-colorado-supreme-court-justices-wake/story?id=105923471
  
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  December 28, 2023 7:59pm
Michael Sommerville

I am reading an article from the Telegraph UK, giving the history of the UK’s financial demise under various Labour governments. Here is an excerpt.

“The Wilson administration never recovered from his devaluation of 1967. James Callaghan’s rule ended with the winter of discontent, following Britain’s near-bankruptcy and rescue by the International Monetary Fund in 1976. And Gordon Brown left office less than two years after a crash that drove financial institutions under, torpedoed sterling, and caused a Treasury minister to leave a note for his Conservative successor telling him, with commendable frankness, that the money had run out.

Should you detect a pattern, you would be right. The first two Labour governments failed because of inexperience, incompetence, some bad luck and an alarming inability to handle the realities the world threw at them during international turbulence. But the others had something else in common – a desire to aggrandise the state and to finance that by diverting, through taxation, resources from the productive sectors of the economy to the unproductive ones.

Expansion of the state meant putting armies of workers, mainly members of Labour’s client groups in the trades unions, on the public payroll in strictly-regulated and demarcated jobs. It began to appear that public services existed more for the benefit of those working in them than for the taxpayer who funded them.”

Sound familiar? And where we were headed under any government headed by Hipkins, Robertson, Parker et al.
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December 28, 2023 9:08am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The night that “Darling Harold” announced the devaluation he appeared on TV and looking straight into the camera said,
  
  “The pound in your pocket, purse or bank has NOT been devalued. It is still worth twenty shillings”.
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:46am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Fight
    
    That must be where Robertson learned economics.
    That would have made total sense to the prick.
    
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    December 28, 2023 3:39pm
- MCōs
  
  The crash you refer to that occurred during Gordon Brown’s time as PM originated in the US when GWB was president and effected most of the world including us under Mr Key
  
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  December 28, 2023 1:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Conform…..or lose your job.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-the-new-government-has-one-helluva-a-task-in-front-of-it-compulsory-indoctrination-is-un
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December 28, 2023 9:09am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  The wokesters have found something new we should be worried about: linguistic justice. The writer thinks it’s not fair that English is currently the global lingua franca. Brought to you unironically by The Grauniad, the self-proclaimed “world’s leading liberal voice”.
  
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  December 28, 2023 9:17am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Of course it’s unfair. Almost everything is not the way we’d make it if we were able to start again from a totally clean slate. National borders, wealth distribution, unearned social or professional advantage, the list goes on and on.
    
    What it’s reasonable, feasible and a sensible use of time and effort to try to actually do something about, however, is a very different matter.
    
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    December 28, 2023 9:36am
  - julesnzuk
    
    Link doesn’t work so I’m not sure what they’re proposing should be the lingua franca (which was actually French until quite recently) – but it’s funny how these idiots complaining about the preeminence of English are always native English speakers and I suspect they are too lazy to bother to learn other languages.
    
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    December 29, 2023 1:29am
Swifty

Sickening violence on people merely going about their lives:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/trayd-tahau-admits-chopping-dairy-workers-fingers-off-going-on-run-from-police-worker-still-traumatised/OBQXZWXGHFHTLKH66V4FNRS33I/

Out in 3 or 4 years?
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December 28, 2023 10:25am
- Matt Long
  
  Time served, cultural report, plus electronic monitoring because it worked so well last time he was sentenced.
  
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  December 28, 2023 11:21am
Kiwiguy

Some family of mine lost their heads and decided to go shopping at Dressmart yesterday.
They reported that certain types of “sports” brand shops (Converse, Fila, etc etc) were heaving with people.
Yet the more conservative brands such as Rodd & Gunn and Barkers were completely empty of customers.
I’m sure some socio-economics expert would be able to read something into this… I have my own theory….
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December 28, 2023 10:34am
- greybeard
  
  Too much money, no taste.
  
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  December 28, 2023 10:51am
- MCōs
  
  Has Rodd & Gunn switched to decimal currency yet?
  
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  December 28, 2023 1:33pm
- Damocles11
  
  There’s a ‘Cost of Living Crisis’ going on….apparently.
  
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  December 28, 2023 2:57pm
- rouppe
  
  On a trip through Europe. Currently in Vienna.
  
  There are a LOT of middle Eastern looking people, and a LOT of Russian or Ukrainian sounding people here… Fair smattering of shiny track suits to boot.
  
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  December 28, 2023 8:37pm
Handyman

I saw a headline about ardern’s legacy. I didn’t read it.
Ardern’s legacy is debt, death and division.
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December 28, 2023 10:34am
- Steve Todd
  
  I didn’t read it.
  
  Oh, I see. So how do you know the headline didn’t read, “Ardern’s legacy is debt, death and division”, then?
  
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  December 28, 2023 11:09am
  - Taieri
    
    “Ardern’s legacy is debt, death and division”, then?
    ———
    
    Isn’t it?
    
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    December 28, 2023 11:23am
    - Steve Todd
      
      @Taieri @ 11:23AM
      
      Irrelevant.
      
      My point was, for all Handyman knows, that is exactly what the headline could have said.
      
      But, of course, we all know, don’t we, that Handyman knows full well what it said.
      
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      December 28, 2023 12:00pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    For what it’s worth ST, my read on what Handyman was saying: Saw a headline about Ardern’s legacy. Didn’t read the article. I already know Ardern’s legacy is debt, death and division.
    
    Makes a bit more sense than inferring it was referring to the headline itself and not the article.
    
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    December 28, 2023 2:49pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Sorry, Pineapple Lumps: I totally disagree.
      
      What you say would be fair comment if Handyman had said, “I saw an article about ardern’s legacy.”
      
      But that is not what he said.
      
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      December 28, 2023 3:37pm
    - Handyman
      
      Pineapple Lumps – you are correct.
      Everybody else – sorry for the lack of clarity.
      
      Also for clarity, the “deaths” are not those during the lockdown period but ongoing in the subsequent years due to various reasons eg lack of medical diagnosis and treatment. I was talking to an ICU specialist yesterday. He said for some conditions, elective surgery is an illusion; you will either have to have an emergency operation or you will die before getting to the end of the waiting period — and there are barely enough staff for emergency operations.
      
      Other folks will have their own list of Ardern legacy words. These are just mine.
      For young people who missed career and education opportunities maybe despondency is a better word.
      
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      December 28, 2023 4:58pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Everybody else – sorry for the lack of clarity.
        
        Handyman: Hopefully, from now on, you will say precisely what you mean.
        
        As John Banks used to say, twenty-five years ago on his radio show, “say what you mean, and mean what you say.”
        
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        December 28, 2023 6:57pm
      - kevn
        
        Handy… Never fear, ‘most’ of us on KB understand exactly where you are coming from.
        
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        December 28, 2023 7:39pm
Swifty

The matter of bayonets on the UK’s new battle rifle:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsa9Zs-S45g
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December 28, 2023 10:55am
Swifty

Winston giving it to the mad leftists – good and hard.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=418-Z-5XoKI
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December 28, 2023 12:41pm
- rouppe
  
  I noticed that the new TPM 17 year old appeared to be wearing sneakers and a jersey.
  
  What happened to the dress standards?
  
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  December 28, 2023 8:42pm
Ultima

Cindy’s book going cheap. The comments are hilarious.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/books/non-fiction/biography/politics/listing/4487082510
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December 28, 2023 12:54pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I wonder if Pearson is having 2nd thoughts about her new book???
  
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  December 28, 2023 3:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bad stuff happening in Remmers?
Police – Mayes “We hope the swift arrests are reassuring to our Remuera locals and the wider community. Our frontline officers work extremely hard and around the clock to hold offenders to account.”
Fine, but will the Court send the little shits home to (he is a good boy) mummy?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/property-owner-assaulted-after-finding-teenagers-burgling-his-auckland-home/ar-AA1m7guO?
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December 28, 2023 2:33pm
- MCōs
  
  Apart from anything else if we came home and found a bunch of kids trying to run out of the house I’d get out of their way.
  The chap who wrote this comment takes a different point of view
  “What a joke cannot protect your Property .These young ones are just idiots . Sorry but have a bat ready and crack them with it . I would if was my property . . . . . “
  Of course they’re unpredictable idiots
  That’s why I’d get out of their way. Maybe they have weapons of their own
  
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  December 28, 2023 4:07pm
  - Ghost
    
    I’m with you, you have no idea what weapons the kids have, if they are high. Let them take what ever they want, it can be replaced, your life can’t be.
    
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    December 28, 2023 4:23pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Wouldn’t allowing them to get away with no repercussions embolden them to do it again somewhere else?
      
      Luckily the homeowner came back in time to alert the police and all five got caught.
      
      You ARE allowed to use REASONABLE force to protect yourself, others and your property.
      
      I would do so if I believed it safe to do so.
      
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      December 28, 2023 5:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        You have no idea if it is safe. You won’t know if the person has a weapon until they use it on you. If you think these kids give a fuck about your life you’ll be just another victim.
        
        You call the cops and leave it to them.
        
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        December 28, 2023 5:54pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “You ARE allowed to use REASONABLE force to protect yourself, others and your property.”
        
        That is incorrect.
        
        “Self-defence and defence of another
        
        Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or herself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he or she believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.”
        
        https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328268.html
        
        If someone attacks you with a lethal weapon you can respond in kind.
        
        If you find a burglar in your house, you cannot lawfully use force to harm that burglar. I wish it were not so but here we are.
        
        This is a worrying trend on Kiwiblog. Too many people making up their own ‘facts’ , for example on climate change and the COVID vaccines that are supposed to have killed millions of people.
        
        Facts matter.
        
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        December 28, 2023 6:26pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They may have weapons – so what?
        See that glass bottle? Smash it – there is your knife.
        I would never back down to these scrotes.
        
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        December 29, 2023 9:39am
- Inandout
  
  That street is in well to do ville, expect severe punishment from judges who maybe live there or family does.
  
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  December 28, 2023 6:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The offenders were children (11-13 years old).
    They have been referred to Youth aid.
    
    They probably won’t be appearing before a Judge.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132303447/youth-aid-explained-what-is-it-and-can-it-prevent-people-reoffending
    
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    December 28, 2023 8:49pm
  - tf78
    
    I live in that street and we don’t usually have any issues. I did hear the helicopters for about 1/2 hour and thought ‘annoying’. My son and his wife passed by on their way home and saw the man being escorted out of his home. Glad we have two big hungry dogs! (noisy anyway). I think they’re out testing Mark Mitchell.
    
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    December 28, 2023 8:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I should be careful about posting or re-posting jokes about Ardern.
Cuddles Coster might throw me in the hinaki for 7 months!

https://pantsonfirenews.com/jim-acosta-left-viewers-puzzled-after-he-defended-the-shocking-imprisonment-of-one-trump-supporter/?
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December 28, 2023 2:37pm
thirteenstars

From the Babylon Bee: Spelling Bee, What is a Woman?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mnQTzhVgl8

Hilarious. True.
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December 28, 2023 3:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well Chippie don’t know wtf a ‘woman’ is.
  
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  December 28, 2023 3:23pm
  - MCōs
    
    Do you?
    You repeatedly refer to Michelle Obama as ‘Mike’
    
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    December 28, 2023 3:37pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mike Obama is not a ‘woman.’
      Did you not see what the rest of the World has seen?
      There is a cock, some have it, some don’t. Easy to define.
      
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      December 28, 2023 5:25pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        That’s flat-earth levels of silly.
        
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        December 28, 2023 6:01pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        That’s the kind of nonsense that Benedict Yu was talking about.
        
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        December 28, 2023 11:07pm
Chris Nisbet

Ha. When I first read the headline I thought the “festering heap” referred to the journalists.
‘Festering heap of toxicity’: Rise of ‘mob censorship’ this year as Kiwi journalists faced a barrage of abuse
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December 28, 2023 3:27pm
- thirteenstars
  
  It’s a tactic, that being that you accuse your accusers of that which you are practising.
  
  It speaks of “mob censorship” but where were the howls of concern when Posie Parker and her small group of female supporters were silenced by a couple of thousand violent trans-activists? And where were the calls for action when at countless venues across the country Julian Batchelor’s Stop Co-Governance meetings were surrounded by mobs, guests having to run the gauntlet of abuse both verbal and physical?
  
  Hypocrites.
  
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  December 28, 2023 4:38pm
Ghost

So enjoying the rain is racist too now

I can’t keep up

https://youtube.com/shorts/k3ONeY8ifTs?si=c0PofaJ2w95G601b
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December 28, 2023 4:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My head hurts now, thanks Ghost
  
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  December 28, 2023 5:27pm
- tf78
  
  I love the rain when I’m saving money not watering the garden.
  
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  December 28, 2023 8:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Aaanndd it’s Hillary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl805ZSsxic
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December 28, 2023 5:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is how Steve Otoo learnt to braze properly.
I have done this many times. The end product in the video does the job, but it is a shoddy job. It is ugly!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7QDXrrkZgM
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December 28, 2023 5:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Poor Hilliary!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl805ZSsxic
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December 28, 2023 5:17pm
Swifty

Restarting Cornish tin mining:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFmfrASIkA

Great stuff.
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December 28, 2023 5:25pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The UK School of Mining is in Redruth in Cornwall.
  
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  December 28, 2023 7:37pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Tin is required to make bronze, it being an alloy of tin and copper. The Bronze Age couldn’t have happened without it. The sites of these metals were sparse in the ancient world, Cornwall being one such.
  
  The Romans went there, but long before them so did the Phoenicians, a wonderful race of merchants worthy of study.
  
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  December 28, 2023 7:52pm
MCōs

Unbelievable story
“The woman miscarried on her toilet at home and went to the hospital where a nurse informed police of the situation. Police took the woman’s toilet as evidence and she was charged with abuse of a corpse.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/301033021/us-prosecutor-urged-to-drop-case-against-woman-charged-after-miscarriage?cid=app-iPhone
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