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CJames

There are two interesting articles on Spiked which confirm that there are major policies harming people which were dismissed as “far right” conspiracy theories but now are getting confirmed. The hidden agendas are becoming evident and it isn’t
Matt Ridley writes how the British Royal Commission refuses to discuss how the Wuflu came from a lab leak while they were doing research funded by the US government. Now they want the coverup.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/12/20/the-shameless-cover-up-of-the-lab-leak-theory/
Then there is the elites’ war on cars, as part of the general strategy to impoverish the plebs. The reduction in speed limits, turning roads into cycle paths, and 15 minute cities are all part of this. Suppressing evidence of costs and benefits which contradicted their assertations was actively pursued.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/12/25/a-year-of-green-gaslighting/
That is the world-wide policies that drove the Greens/ Labour agenda even down to councils like Wellington and Christchurch. For all of these, the media running a gaslighting campaign was a critical part. We need to see if it continues as part of the current government’s.
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December 26, 2023 8:01am
- david in Aus
  
  These conspiracies theories have a grain of truth, that is because some people use it to further their agenda.
  The 15 minute cities concept is really against zoning laws where shopping, residential, doctors etc are separated-forcing people to take their cars everywhere. It’s about more freedom to build what you want.
  
  Speed limits are different. I prefer more graduated speed zones, 110 km/hr on dual carriage motorways, 70-80 km on main arterial roads, 60 km/hr on wider roads, and 30-40 km where there is expected to be pedestrian/bicycle traffic (most residential areas). Unfortunately, some climate change zealots are aggravating people un-necessarily- mixing safety issues with climate change.
  
  I am all for cycle lanes, why should cars force others off the road.
  
  The lableak theory- please explain why it is in the US governments’ interests for a cover up. I heard from the foreign investigators directly, there was no evidence of a lableak. What gives this theory legs, is that you cannot prove a negative. And what difference does a lab leak theory make to people’s lives?- NADA, ZIP.
  
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  December 26, 2023 10:50am
  - CJames
    
    David.
    The US government has a real interest in the coverup because they funded it. There are plenty of documents showing the funding, procedure and methods. All of which match. No gaps.
    
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    December 26, 2023 11:18am
    - david in Aus
      
      @CJames. China and the US are rivals. It’s in the US government’s interests to make China look bad.
      
      It’s very unlikely the US government funded China’s bioweapons facilities.
      
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      December 26, 2023 11:26am
      - CJames
        
        So writes someone who has never bothered reading the correspondence between Daszak, Fauci and the varying US funding committees about gain of function testes and research . Here is just one part.
        https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-grant-darpa/
        Ridley has written extensively on it – even a book.
        
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        December 26, 2023 12:04pm
      - david in Aus
        
        @ CJames. Correct me if I am if I misunderstood. The thesis is that the US government engineered this virus. The epicentre was in China and not the USA. The US government is covering up because it makes the US look bad, instead of using it to bash China. Where is the motivation to have the epidemic start in China, spreading through the world and then to the US?
        
        When you pull the threads of the conspiracy theory, it unravels pretty quickly.
        
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        December 26, 2023 12:19pm
      - CJames
        
        No David, nothing like that which seems like an anti- conspiracy theory by you.
        The facts are the US funded research in Wuhan to work on gain of function using genetic engineering on Bat viruses. It was done there because the ethics didn’t allow it to be done is US labs. This was despite them knowing the lab had a low level of biosecurity. To that the fact the outbreak of the virus happened in Wuhan after the lab staff had come down with very early, if not patient zero, infections from the very viral type they were supposed to be working on.
        All that is known from public domain documents. The lab leak was initially seen as the source by the very people who funded it. That is from their emails. Then a number of people who realised the trail, like Fauci, would implicate them. So they suppressed the evidence and started claiming it was a conspiracy to think otherwise.
        No deus ex machina or leaps of faith are needed to see what Matt wrote is the Occam’s razor explanation. It is only the anti-lab leak ones who need far right conspiracy. Do still believe in pangolins and the wet market were the cause of it all?
        
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        December 26, 2023 2:56pm
      - mawm
        
        David – The research started in North Carolina at Chapel Hill university and Rocky Mountain labs in Hamilton, Montana where Ralph Baric was doing research on the alteration of covid viruses to make them more infective to humans until it was stopped by Obama. It then moved off shore to Eco-Health Alliance and Peter Dasack. Both Fauci and Baric were involved with the CIA and US Defence in weaponising biological agents.
        
        This information is all publicly available (not on Google or in the MSM) for those who have followed what has happened. Poor trolling, mate!
        
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        December 26, 2023 9:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If only the cyclists were forced to pay for cycle lanes, just as motorists pay a petrol levy/tax or road user charges (diesel)
    By nope, they are freeloaders just as EV owners are.
    
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    December 26, 2023 12:03pm
    - david in Aus
      
      Cyclists pay when the property is developed when the road is built. Little road maintenance is required thereafter. The rates cover that.
      
      Potholes are not caused by bicycles- if that is a newsflash.
      
      Streets were present before the motorcar, people forget that.
      
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      December 26, 2023 12:25pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Stop talking shit. Cyclists pay as much as I pay as a non-cyclist.
        Green shill.
        
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        December 26, 2023 2:54pm
      - Ghost
        
        If people are paying rates then they are paying for the local roads.
        
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        December 26, 2023 3:18pm
      - Aquarius
        
        What total rubbish
        
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        December 26, 2023 3:47pm
    - Tomtoddy
      
      There is no place for cars and bikes on the same piece of tarmac. Two totally different activities that clash. In other circumstances the Health and Safety nutters would ban it.
      
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      December 26, 2023 12:30pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Cycling activists are generally woke pests, hence why them getting maimed and killed by f-tard motorists driving ever larger assault type vehicles while being ever more distracted by their mobile phones is ignored for the greater good (of building a woke Utopia).
        
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        December 26, 2023 5:59pm
      - Burtland
        
        some companies do ban it for business work – think the Christchurch City Council is one.
        
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        December 26, 2023 6:44pm
    - david in Aus
      
      Cyclists are also motorists. They generally have higher incomes and pay more taxes.
      
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      December 26, 2023 12:36pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Cyclists aren’t motorists when they’re on their bikes.
        
        Personally, I don’t mind cyclists sharing the road with other vehicles. That’s the road for everyone, paid for by everyone.
        
        If they want a separate cycle lane then let them launch a crowd funding event & pay for it themselves.
        
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        December 26, 2023 1:15pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        NMTB,
        That is the whole thing. Cyclists want others to pay.
        
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        December 26, 2023 3:01pm
    - david in Aus
      
      @steveotto.Perhaps look at the council website. Rates pay for local roads. Cyclists only need local roads, no motorways required.
      
      Do some research before spouting preconceived rubbish.
      
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      December 26, 2023 5:43pm
      - Taieri
        
        Rates pay for local roads. Cyclists only need local roads, no motorways required.
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        Both, Great King Street and Cumberland Rd in Dunedin are part of SH1. Both had one lane removed to create cycle lane. A cycle lane which hardly anyone uses. The last I checked, SH1 is not maintained by the local council. It is maintained by Transit NZ. This is just one example…
        
        So, do some research before spouting preconceived rubbish…
        
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        December 26, 2023 6:09pm
      - Burtland
        
        Christchurch – “The council is building a 101-kilometre network of 13 cycleways, which is expected to cost $300 million and is scheduled to be finished by 2028 – 11 years later than expected when the network was first proposed in 2013. The Government is contributing $187m towards the cost.”
        
        $3000/meter
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/128649286/gaps-in-christchurchs-cycleway-network-need-filling-quickly-residents-say
        
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        December 26, 2023 6:55pm
      - david in Aus
        
        @Burtland. Perhaps you should give context to the cost of building cycleways. The cost of building the east west road link in Auckland is 327 million per km. 100 times the cost per metre of a cycleway.
        
        In reality, the best way to develop cycleways is with each update/resealing of roads. The marginal cost will be much lower.
        
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        December 26, 2023 8:00pm
      - david in Aus
        
        @Taieri. I didn’t know all cycleways are on state highways. Or are you using the odd exception to state the case for all.
        Are you stating that cyclists or other non-motorist ratepayers do not pay for roads?
        
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        December 26, 2023 8:04pm
      - CJames
        
        David – you don’t know much at all about the actual facts do you. Look up how much Petone to Korokoro or Dunedin to Port Chalmers cost. They were dedicated cycleways, paid for by road user charges.
        And the east west link has all manner of other things added which aren’t road which inflate the cost. Just like the new ferries where only a quarter of the cost was the boats.
        
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        December 26, 2023 8:14pm
      - CJames
        
        “Do some research before spouting preconceived rubbish.” Pot calling the kettle black isn’t it David as you seem to know nothing about the grandiose cycleways – just your prejudices.
        With regards to the East West link, here is the project site (it was never built) showing the dedicated ride/walk bridge across the Manukau, the board walk plus all the paths and provision for the trams. https://www.nzta.govt.nz/projects/east-west-link/maps-and-visuals/
        And remember the billion dollar cycling bridge across the Waitemata, what was the cost of that in dollars per user?
        
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        December 26, 2023 8:26pm
      - david in Aus
        
        @CJames. Cycleways vary in cost. It can be as little was some paint and posts.
        Some gold plated examples that you give are exorbitant by anyone standards. Using the the gold plated examples is like some saying the new Auckland Harbour Bridge costing 50 billions dollars is an argument against all bridges.
        
        Sensible cities would first change the guidelines, state all new roads or updates conform to standards that include cycleways where it is feasible.
        
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        December 26, 2023 10:05pm
    - mawm
      
      Steve – we all pay rates which pay for the city’s roads, rail and ferries. Some of us even have diesel cars and pay the same licence fees even although we do not use our cars as much! You’re better than that.
      
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      December 26, 2023 10:02pm
    - mawm
      
      Burtland – as I have pointed out before the councils often put in new pipelines and other infrastructure under new bike paths hence the cost.
      
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      December 26, 2023 10:06pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    “I heard from the foreign investigators directly, there was no evidence of a lableak.”
    
    Which investigators? The Peter Daszak led investigation?
    
    What makes a lab leak the most likely source is very simple: IF it was zoonotic then the intermediate animal to get the virus from bat to human would have been found a long time ago. And not just one animal but a large number of them, with those animals having a large time window of close interaction with humans in China
    
    The CCP have had every incentive to find and produce said intermediate transmission animal/animal population.
    
    They haven’t, because they cant.
    
    It was a virus that was being worked on in a lab, it infected one or more lab techs due to poor procedures and they transmitted the virus into the general populace
    
    We will never know for certain, but lab leak is by far the most likely, given the normal evidence chain of zoonotic transmission is completely missing after 4 years of COVID 19 being widespred.
    
    And before you start – SARS 1 had a transmission chain showing the zoonotic origin within months. Why is such a chain not available for SARS COVID 2
    
    As for what we gain from lab leak as an accepted source:
    
    1 – We gain a wide spread understanding of how gung-effin-ho our scientific community are when working with dangerous virus and bacterial materials. We need the work more heavily regulated and more safety conscious
    
    2 – We gain a widespread understanding of how much people in power think of us plebs as insignificant and undeserving of the truth. And how willing they are to lie and misdirect with willingly help from their media puppets
    
    3 – We understand that certain people like Fauci and Daszak are very, very slippery around the truth and looking after their own careers and wealth generating opportunities
    
    4 – We also know that another escape like this is very likely and that governments should be stressing the need for their populations to get far healthy to be able to cope with another COVID like lab escape virus…
    
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    December 26, 2023 12:15pm
    - Handyman
      
      JimBobJoe
      in support of your first point…
      American regulators ruled that virus research in US labs was too dangerous so banned it. A delegation inspected Wuhan and ruled that it too was too lax for US research.
      Ignoring that, Fauci funnelled funds through sub-contractors to Wuhan. His signature is literally on the approval form.
      Imagine his happy surprise when he was put in charge of
      “determining the source of the outbreak”.
      Everybody involved was aligned starting with his mates in the Wuhan facility to the US media. Remember President Trump said it had originated in China so he had to be “proven” wrong.
      
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      December 26, 2023 4:49pm
  - dcrane
    
    Imagine spotting a parrot in a tree that recites Shakespeare and concluding that it came up with the mimicry on its own, when you know there’s a weird guy in town who’s known for training parrots to speak Shakespeare quotations. It’s pretty much how the zoonosis crowd thinks about covid.
    
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    December 26, 2023 10:11pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Then there is the elites’ war on cars, as part of the general strategy to impoverish the plebs.’
  
  NZME Simon Wilson today too.
  
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  December 26, 2023 10:54am
- JerJer
  
  This is pretty much over. The lefts stupidity is being rapidly rolled back, hence all the screaming and yelling here as the coalition roll back the Ardern disaster, we start speaking English again, road speed limits are restored, idiotic spending cancelled, kids will get taught properly, students and teachers assessed, gender stupidity banned, trannies no longer in women’s sport, subsidies on crappy cars (EVs) removed, co-governance gone etc. I have already noticed the media is not being fed loads of money to advertise to us (in Māori) that we should be getting flu jabs and god knows what else. The advertising has just stopped, period. No wonder they are not happy. In Australia the left is rejected, the voice was a massive failure. That event alone is going go bring down their government (at the next election). Next year Trump looks like he will be back if he doesn’t end up in jail, and if that happens the wokeness will be rolled back faster than here. I have also noticed people that would not joke about how useless Ardern was, or how ridiculous it was to try get people to speak Māori, or about men competing in woman’s sports are not openly joking about it. It’s becoming normal to joke about idiotic thoughts. People generally are freely expressing their thoughts again when previously they were too afraid to speak openly for fear of getting shouted down by some freak show (The Greens and TPM being prime examples of said freak show type people). This is happening all over the world as the left are pushed out and right wing governments are being elected to fix the mess. It’s happening here, South Americ, Europe and next year in the United States and Canada….
  
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  December 26, 2023 11:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump 2024. He will not be in jail.
    Short of assassination he will win, but beware the corrupt Dems, they are capable of this, and desperate.
    
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    December 26, 2023 12:07pm
    - G152
      
      By the Bidens in the news evidently theres been a backlash
      
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      December 26, 2023 1:15pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Not sure I agree it’s “nearly over”. However it does appear the war against woke is heating up.
    
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    December 26, 2023 6:03pm
krazykiwi

All I Want for Christmas is a Rise in Birth Rates

Though Christmas can endure even among those who don’t believe in God, it cannot survive if humanity stops believing in itself.

For evidence of this apostasy, one need look no further than this year’s birth rate statistics: the bad news is that the downward trend continues across the developed world and can no longer be blamed on the effects of Covid and lockdown. The fact is that modernity leaves ever less room for children.

The worse news is that no one seems to care. That’s weird, because we know what will happen if we don’t boost the birth rate. One can read the detail in official Government reports, but the gist is this: if the baby drought continues, then in the decades ahead welfare states will go bankrupt.

A century of base-load Malthusianism, overlayed with the loathing of humanity by eco death cultists has led us here. It is way past time we returned to promoting biologically optimal family structures and celebrated more children being born into them.
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December 26, 2023 8:01am
- G152
  
  The birth rate will go down.
  We’re no longer being screwed by labour
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:12am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  People are selfish and short sighted.
  
  In other news, water is wet.
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:15am
  - Harro104
    
    Disagree NMTB. It is incredibly hard and expensive to raise children today. I put it down to two things: lack of affordable child care and housing.
    
    Two generations ago a family could live decently in a home of their own with only one parent working on a reasonable income: Try doing that now. Both parents need to work to afford a house. Family sized houses to buy are out of reach for many until later in life. Who wants to raise a bigger family in a small townhouse? Or the uncertainty of raising a family in a rental which could come to an end.
    
    Child care is expensive as the minimum wage has gone up and immigration fell away. Grandparents? They are typically working later into life to ensure retirement in dignity or style. The gap between the end of parental leave and free child care is huge.
    
    The combination of these factors means prospective parents are facing an impossible and stressful squeeze between working, housing child care and food costs. Only fools or a rich family would have multiple kids.
    
    Unless the trends change, watch the birth rate drop.
    
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    December 26, 2023 10:34am
    - lifesgood
      
      I grew up in a very large family with a mother who didn’t work. We had one very small bathroom in our house and we managed perfectly well. The trouble today is expectations have just risen and risen so that young couples want what we ended up with after a life times work right at the beginning of theirs. When I see cafes and bars bursting every weekend with young people I just think back to my early married life when we NEVER went out, couldn’t afford to because we had a mortgage to pay. But it was worth it. I have no time for young people bleating that they can’t afford a house, they just need to get their priorities right. BTW my sons saved hard and have very nice family homes and children of their own. It can be done.
      
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      December 26, 2023 11:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yep, it can be done. Work 2 jobs for a start.
        You don’t need that 63 inch TV, video games, $1400 cellphone, late model car, double door fridge. Get off the piss and drugs.
        Just harden up for a while. I had 3 jobs at one stage. A young guy can survive on 5 hours sleep.
        
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        December 26, 2023 12:12pm
      - Harro104
        
        I’m not saying it can’t be done it’s just that people don’t want to slog to survive with multiple kids. Lots of people are reasonably deciding it’s too tough. What I am saying is that making it a bit easier might lift the birth rate.
        
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        December 26, 2023 4:16pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Harro104@4.16pm.
        Nice diversion.
        ” people don’t want to slog to survive with multiple kids.” Then don’t have them!
        Others should not have to subsidise (by making ir easier) other people’s children to keep the birth rate up.
        You have no idea as to who pays at the end.
        Isn’t socialism wonderful?
        
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        December 26, 2023 5:26pm
      - Harro104
        
        It’s the opposite of a diversion- it’s my view on why the birth rate is cratering around many parts of the developed and developing world. When you say “then don’t have them” – well people aren’t and that is the main point of KK’s post.
        
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        December 26, 2023 6:06pm
      - rouppe
        
        Same. Three bedroom house. My sisters shared one bedroom, and my brother and I another.
        
        No double glazing, just a good old coal range, and a dozen families bought a rail car of coal from Huntly every year.
        
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        December 26, 2023 6:47pm
    - Ehlana
      
      We’ve had two things that have worked against the post-baby boom generations. One is restrictive policies reducing the supply of housing. This happened at the same time as demand increased, as factors like divorce (two houses now required for one family) and immigration overwhelmed declining birth rates. Demand growing faster than supply raises prices.
      
      The other is increased labour supply. Anti-discrimination measures in the West, free trade agreements and improved education everywhere meant many more people available in the labour market. And when supply goes up, price goes down.
      
      The result is higher house prices (a local cost) but lower wages (an increasingly global cost).
      
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      December 26, 2023 1:49pm
    - Taieri
      
      It is incredibly hard and expensive to raise children today. I put it down to two things: lack of affordable child care and housing.
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      They didn’t have affordable child care and housing in the 19th century. They had lots of kids though. Go figure!…
      
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      December 26, 2023 6:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And millions of folks emigrated away from their parents’ homeland in the 19th C. so that they could get a shot at having their own house, family and a future.
        
        https://docs.iza.org/dp7866.pdf
        
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        December 26, 2023 7:19pm
  - Jethrod
    
    ….. and steam rollers don’t roll steam!
    
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    December 26, 2023 3:30pm
- hullkiwi
  
  kk, you really have to get on board. Sarc//
  
  The agenda is for the plebs in the developed world to:
  1. Be under educated and informed;
  2. Not to be aware of certain policy trends funded by the elites of Europe and the US;
  3. Be exercised and believe in all crises and agendas as reported to the pleasure by the governments, authorities and media of the US and European countries;
  4. Not to worry, but falling birth rates in developed countries, because there is still growing populations in the under developed world. These populations will continue to provide numbers to plug the skills shortages in the developed world, not! Sarc////
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:17am
- pdm
  
  `All I Want for Christmas is a Rise in Birth Rates’
  
  At just over 3 months short of age 78 I am not sure how I can contribute to that.
  
  Then again how old was Charlie Chaplin when he sired his last sprog?
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:28am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Check out Bob de Niro.
    
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    December 26, 2023 8:44am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Bob Jones is 84 and has a daughter aged 9 years.
    
    He won’t disclose how many children he has except that the oldest is 51 years old and the youngest is 9 years old. So I’d guess there are many. 😂
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/twelve-questions-sir-bob-jones/TKROMXD7AMOKEKK57MGRN4BP7M/
    
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    December 26, 2023 8:47am
  - leoj
    
    But as Billy Crystal said, at the end of the movie, When Harry Met Sally, Charlie couldn’t pick up the baby.
    
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    December 26, 2023 9:51am
  - Taieri
    
    Then again how old was Charlie Chaplin when he sired his last sprog?
    ——————-
    
    With a little help from his friends?
    
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    December 26, 2023 10:55am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  The global population has trebled since WW2, mostly in countries riven by religious and patriarchal dogma.
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:31am
- Benedict Yu
  
  South Korea’s fertility rate is now below 1. If nothing changes, in 50 years 41 percent of people will be aged over 70. Only 7 percent of the population will be younger than 14 years.
  
  https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=365139
  
  Japan is not far behind.
  
  Fertility rates in Western Europe are also low. The difference there is that the place is being overrun by “refugees” from Africa and the Middle East.
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:36am
  - MCōs
    
    Europe is not being overrun by refugees from Africa & the ME
    Up to half the refugees are from Ukraine
    Even so refugees make up less than 2% of the population
    Far higher than NZ, but we have a much higher proportion of immigrants
    
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    December 26, 2023 9:15am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      The localised impact can be extreme, however. Bradford & Leicester in the UK, not to mention London. Malmo in Sweden.
      
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      December 26, 2023 9:37am
      - lifesgood
        
        I went to Malmo a few years back. What a horrible place despite its picture postcard streets and buildings. Middle eastern people glowering at you everywhere you went, litter all over the streets, dogs running wild. I felt really unsafe and couldn’t wait to leave
        
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        December 26, 2023 12:06pm
    - Jack5
      
      According to the UN, the world has more than 114 million displaced people, of whom 36 million are refugees.
      
      I think MCos (9.15) is confusing refugees with border-crashing asylum seekers, overwhelmingly young men, who are forcing their way into Western Europe.
      
      On his mention of Ukrainian refugees:
      
      This is from an official UK web site:
      
      Since their introduction in March 2022, there have been 315,086 applications for a visa under the 2 main Ukraine Visa Schemes. Of these, 242,314 have been granted, and 188,900 arrivals have been counted to the end of September 2023. In addition, there have been 29,075 extensions granted under the Ukraine Family Scheme and Ukraine Extension Scheme.
      
      (The link is below).
      
      Many Ukrainians in Britain will eventually return to their country of origin. Others will easily assimilate.
      
      Assimilation is a goal that’s been overlooked by the Woke. It’s what will make a country with many newcomers either function reasonably, like the United States, or become a hell hole like disintegrating Yugoslavia.
      
      UK figures:
      
      https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/
      
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      December 26, 2023 9:52am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      MCōs what you are missing there is that some cultures on average have a lot more kids. The trajectory for say France is over 50% Muslims by 2050. Do you think that is a good outcome for France?
      
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      December 26, 2023 6:06pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    The advent of AI and the burgeoning singularity make all of this a non-issue. All our assumptions about what are important social and economic issues are going to go in the trash in the next decade. For example:
    -In 20 years we could have life expectancies of 200 years,
    -We may be able to upgrade everybodies intelligence to genius levels. With personal tutoring for everyone.
    -We’ll mostly have no jobs making kids an interesting distraction from boredom.
    -We might all be killed off by AI.
    
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    December 26, 2023 10:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I believe in the future that as long as the brain is not swiss cheese, just transplant the body to the head.
      Scary.
      
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      December 26, 2023 12:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The World fertility rate is 2.4% — still above the replacement level of 2.1%.
  
  We’re not going to run out of babies anytime soon.
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes but the overwhelming majority will be in Africa.
    
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    December 26, 2023 8:55am
    - kevn
      
      BY… plus many others will have the mohammed element.
      
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      December 26, 2023 9:09am
      - lastmanstanding
        
        Now the most common name for male babies born in the UK.
        
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        December 26, 2023 9:25am
      - leoj
        
        Yes, one way or another, we will be overrun.
        
        Glad I won’t be around to witness it.
        
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        December 26, 2023 9:53am
      - MCōs
        
        Noah is the most popular boy’s name apparently & Olivia for girls
        https://www.mumsnet.com/articles/most-popular-baby-names-uk#
        
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        December 26, 2023 10:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    p.s…..
    
    Be thankful that Hubby and I did not follow his namesake’s example:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feodor_Vassilyev#:~:text=Vassilyev%20said%20he%20also%20had,Guinness%20Book%20of%20World%20Records.
    
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    December 26, 2023 8:56am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      You, Maggy, should be particularly grateful.
      
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      December 26, 2023 9:17am
  - krazykiwi
    
    A fair point, but the 2.1 replacement level is based on western rates of survival to fertility.
    
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    December 26, 2023 9:05am
  - Local Miller
    
    I think you meant 2.4 children per couple with replacement level at 2.1 children per couple.
    
    Well we did our bit and had 4 children. Making up for our friends who only had 1 or 2.
    
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    December 26, 2023 11:54am
- Tom Hunter
  
  And to add extra gloom, Gen Z will be even less reproductive, for multiple reasons like income-housing cost gaps and… kulture..
  
  One article there points out that while the Boomers may have rebelled against their parent’s generation and institutions, via things like the Vietnam War, drugs and sex, they had a fairly confident view of the future, especially their own future. Gen Z seems downcast across the board – and in some cases they have good reasons as they look at what is already hitting the generation ahead of them, the Millennials:
  
  Currently, less than half of millennials are doing better financially than their parents were at the same stage in life. This is the first time a generation has fallen behind its elders in recent history.”
  
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  December 26, 2023 9:39am
  - leoj
    
    The growing number of trans people won’t help.
    
    Neither will the growing number of women who are putting a career ahead of family, waiting for wealthy Mr Perfect 10. There are just too few of them.
    
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    December 26, 2023 9:57am
  - mawm
    
    Given that the testosterone levels in western Gen Z are so low and their sexual activity is almost non existent it is unlikely that they will save the day.
    
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    December 26, 2023 10:13am
  - Che Guava
    
    Having been screwed by the short-sighted preceding generations, it will be a cohort of Generation Z, and now Generation Alpha, who will lead the transformative revolution against the decrepit status quo wrought by liberalism. They will have little to lose.
    
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    December 26, 2023 10:17am
    - Matt Long
      
      The current western generation as as a generalisation is the most privileged in history, in return they are idle, weak and entitled.
      Because of this they will give up their freedom to clever autocrats who create pretend existential threats and promise to solve the threats by taking away the rights and property of scapegoats.
      It’s happened many times before as empires fail and are captured by cultures that are strong, vibrant and have self belief.
      The west must reform or be lost to a mixture of Islam and fascism.
      
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      December 26, 2023 10:52am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        It’s all in Gibbon.
        
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        December 26, 2023 1:25pm
      - Che Guava
        
        It may all be in Gibbon, but some of the popular figures among these younger generations I note are thinkers like Guénon, Evola, and indeed, religious figures like Jesus Christ. They aren’t into Adam Smith and John Locke and Ronald Reagan.
        
        They tend to see the rot and social decay, and they understand the causes of it. They are against Modernity and see what materialism and the obsession with the quantifiable at the expense of values has done to Western Man. Sure, plenty of them are as irredeemably woke as they come, maybe the majority, but the better and more perceptive among them are illiberal. When they talk about the “racist” “White supremacist” “homophobic” “sexists” online, they are referring generally to teenage and 20 something males. The future is not liberal, it is illiberal and Traditional.
        
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        December 26, 2023 2:46pm
- Che Guava
  
  “And then, when Being is sufficiently uprooted and Waking Being sufficiently strained, there suddenly emerges into the bright light of history a phenomenon that has long been preparing itself underground and now steps forward to make an end of the drama — the sterility of civilized man.
  
  This is not something that can be grasped as a plain matter of Causality (as modern science naturally enough has tried to grasp it); it is to be understood as an essentially metaphysical turn towards death. The last man of the world city no longer wants to live — he may cling to life as an individual, but as a type, as an aggregate, no, for it is a characteristic of this collective existence that it eliminates the terror of death.
  
  That which strikes the true peasant with a deep and inexplicable fear, the notion that the family and the name may be extinguished, has now lost its meaning. The continuance of the blood relation in the visible world is no longer a duty of the blood, and the destiny of being the last of the line is no longer felt as a doom.
  
  Children do not happen, not because children have become impossible, but principally because intelligence at the peak of intensity can no longer find any reason for their existence. Let the reader try to merge himself in the soul of the peasant. He has sat on his glebe from primeval times, or has fastened his clutch in it, to adhere to it with his blood. He is rooted in it as the descendant of his forbears and as the forbear of future descendants. His house, his property, means, here, not the temporary connection of person and thing for a brief span of years, but an enduring and inward union of eternal land and eternal blood. It is only from this mystical conviction of settlement that the great epochs of the cycle — procreation, birth, and death — derive that metaphysical element of wonder which condenses in the symbolism of custom and religion that all landbound people possess.
  
  For the “last men” all this is past and gone. Intelligence and sterility are allied in old families, old peoples, and old Cultures, not merely because in each microcosm the over-strained and fettered animal element is eating up the plant element, but also because the waking consciousness assumes that being is normally regulated by causality. That which the man of intelligence, most significantly and characteristically, labels as “natural impulse” or “life force,” he not only knows, but also values, causally, giving it the place amongst his other needs that his judgment assigns to it.
  
  When the ordinary thought of a highly cultivated people begins to regard “having children” as a question of pro’s and con’s, the great turning point has come. For Nature knows nothing of pro and con. Everywhere, wherever life is actual, reigns an inward organic logic, an “it,” a drive, that is utterly independent of waking being, with its causal linkages, and indeed not even observed by it. The abundant proliferation of primitive peoples is a natural phenomenon, which is not even thought about, still less judged as to its utility or the reverse. When reasons have to be put forward at all in a question of life, life itself has become questionable.”
  
  Oswald Spengler, The Decline of the West (1923)
  
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  December 26, 2023 10:05am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Too long. Did not read. Could you possibly give us the short version? 😛
    
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    December 26, 2023 6:09pm
    - ecco
      
      I plugged that text into ChatGPT. It comes up with this summary:
      
      “The text you’ve shared is an excerpt from Oswald Spengler’s “The Decline of the West,” a work published in 1923. This book is a monumental work of philosophy and history that outlines Spengler’s theory regarding the cyclical nature of civilizations and their inevitable decline.
      
      Spengler’s work is complex and multidimensional, offering a philosophical perspective on the rise and fall of civilizations, influenced by historical, cultural, and metaphysical factors. It’s important to note that interpretations of his ideas can vary widely, and his views have been subject to criticism and debate within academic circles.”
      
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      December 26, 2023 8:26pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  This is part of the problem. H/T to Robert edited this. Brilliant.
  
  https://twitter.com/Revelation2041/status/1739117835849257332?t=LNBcuLxPKM7RAeYuOeIGlA&s=19
  
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  December 26, 2023 10:12am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    That is sooooo well done! Glad I bothered to look at that.
    
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    December 26, 2023 11:41pm
- goNZ1
  
  The other consequence of this for NZ is that with immigration running at 100k plus per annum plus the Great Kiwi Exodus to Oz, it won’t be long before us pale kiwi Europeans will be way outnumbered by all the economic refugees,and we will be applying to the govt for special privileges as per the existing deal for EeeWee
  
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  December 26, 2023 12:36pm
  - goNZ1
    
    My thoughts exactly!
    
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    December 26, 2023 5:43pm
  - ecco
    
    If you go to the Sydney CBD you will see the consequences of immigration reaching 1m +.
    
    The whites are definitely in the minority now in the Sydney cbd. In a suburb like Chatswood the Asian population is 47%.
    
    Not sure if this is a good thing or not, the Australian government are clearly winding things back. Foreigners have to pay another 7% stamp duty and if you are non resident but own an apartment you can’t just park your student kids there. There is now a foreigners residency tax payable every year. That was according to a real estate agent we were talking to this week.
    
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    December 26, 2023 8:31pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Just a casual observation(for those who dont want the deep dive research) will show that prosperity drives down birth rates.
  
  Take any country coming out of poverty and there is a correlation between increasing affluence and reduction in birthrates.
  
  …..and the main driver of countries getting out of poverty. Cheap/affordable and plentiful energy.
  
  Thought for the day….Driving up the price/availability of energy may help reverse the birthrate trend 🙂 🙂
  Who would have thought WEF wanted larger families.
  
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  December 26, 2023 2:37pm
kevn

kk… Adding to the issue is reduced fertility and birthing issues from ‘you know what’.
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December 26, 2023 8:05am
- Philview
  
  I bet if they really looked into ‘you know what’ they would find links to various cancers prevalent in females (If we can still use that word).
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:44am
Damocles11

Rod Emmerson has written an extraordinary diatribe today in the Leftist NZ Herald, eviscerating the parties on the right & attacking his ‘critics’ (customers, subscribers, and potential subscribers). If anyone had any doubt at all previously, his rant it makes it clear that he is to the Left of Karl Marx. He also makes it clear that his motivation for sticking around and producing more of his execrable cartoons is not to hold politicians of all stripes to account; rather, it is to annoy and antagonise customers, subscribers, and potential subscribers. You can easily ascribe the same attitude to the people running the Herald. It’s certainly an interesting business model.

‘For those knitting circle warriors who wrote Biblical-length essays suggesting I move back to Australia because ‘you’re not wanted here’ – you have only cemented my resolve to stay and provide you with eternal discomfort.’
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December 26, 2023 8:18am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  That’s definitely a business model that the Herald and Stuff should continue to follow, being much more superior than your target audience has always worked well. But in fairness at least he has confirmed that he is totally left and that’s not going to change. If the Herald wished to provide a balance they would bring in Tremain to provide the alternative view.
  
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  December 26, 2023 9:31am
  - Ra Henare
    
    NZ WILL follow the US Trend. Main stream media is on the slippery slope.
    
    https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/newspapers/
    
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    December 26, 2023 2:46pm
- Clyde
  
  And this morning, just after 8am on Newstalk ZB, David Seymour was interviewed by Tim something. What an excreble interview. Host didn’t know the actual name of Seymour’s Ministry, then came up with a list of quotes that Seymour had made about Peters. Seymour, to his credit, didn’t bother interrupting but made a really clear summation of what the Coalition Government is going to achieve. A great shame that ZB can’t find someone even closely coming to the standards of Hosking to stand in.
  
  But Seymour did seem to sum up the opposition well – it consists of the media, Labour, Greens and the maori lot.
  
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  December 26, 2023 9:32am
  - pdm
    
    ` A great shame that ZB can’t find someone even closely coming to the standards of Hosking to stand in.’
    
    I wonder what happened to Mike Yardley – does anyone know?
    
    He was Christchurch based and a usually excellent fill in for Hosking and Larry Williams back in the day. Now all one sees from him is an occasional Opinion Piece that is blocked on Stuff.
    
    The Wokesters must have got him!!!
    
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    December 26, 2023 10:32am
    - Paulus
      
      I believe that Yardley was dreadful.
      
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      December 26, 2023 11:13am
  - Grunter
    
    When The Hosk retires from NZME they will go woke/broke. He only hangs in there because of his huge ratings.
    
    NewsTalk ZB has swung noticeably left since the election. Possibly an over correction in an attempt to be seen to consistently challenge the govt of the day.
    
    The MSM business model is dead in the water. They will all be gone within 5 years. Good riddance I say!
    
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    December 26, 2023 11:13am
    - lifesgood
      
      Some of the lefties on Newstalk, RoMAN Travers, Tim Beveridge, Tim Roxburgh, even Heather DPA is gradually moving more left…it’s a travesty! I like Jim Snedden but he isn’t on often enough and I generally like Tim Dower. What is it with all these Tims and Jims on Newstalk…is it a pre requisite? Mikey Beban is OK, he keeps out of political talk. I am dreading the day that Hosking leaves. He is regularly hinting of a move to Christchurch so maybe he is thinking about it.
      
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      December 26, 2023 12:14pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      He only hangs in there because of his huge ratings.
      
      Don’t make me laugh. If he is “[hanging] in there”, it will be because of his huge salary.
      
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      December 26, 2023 1:00pm
      - greybeard
        
        And ego.
        
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        December 26, 2023 1:21pm
      - artemisia
        
        Maybe there is a tenuous link between ratings and salary in his case. Possibly something vaguely related to eyeballs and advertising revenue.
        
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        December 26, 2023 2:53pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @artemisia @ 2:53PM
        
        I would say there is a strong link between his ratings and his salary, but it is not his ratings which keep him in his current job, it is the salary that he is able to extract from his employer as a result of those ratings that do that.
        
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        December 26, 2023 3:42pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Who is Rod Emmerson?
  What is the NZ Herald?
  When will they vanish?
  Where will they go?
  Why should I care?
  
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  December 26, 2023 9:47am
  - Damocles11
    
    Rod Emmerson is the cartoonist at The New Zealand Herald, which is a daily newspaper published in Auckland, New Zealand, owned by New Zealand Media and Entertainment, and considered a ‘newspaper of record’ for New Zealand. It has the largest newspaper circulation of all newspapers in New Zealand, peaking at over 200,000 copies in 2006, although circulation of the daily Herald had declined to 100,073 copies on average by September 2019.
    
    Whether you should ‘care’ or not – about anything – is a question that I cannot answer. As individuals we decide for ourselves what is important to us.
    
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    December 26, 2023 10:46am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Uptick.
      
      And I see the sword. I don’t think Emmerson or his employers do, which I’m fine with.
      
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      December 26, 2023 11:16am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      It’s always amused me that the Herald considers itself to be NZ’s paper of record. In days gone by its influence ran no further than the old province of Auckland – certainly not the Hawkes Bay, Taranaki or points south. Delusional, really.
      
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      December 26, 2023 1:30pm
      - peterwn
        
        Its circulation area was defined by delivery logistics. Various buses would load up with Heralds and passengers at about 1am outside the Wyndham Street Herald printery and take off in various directions. I rode the Northland one one night to visit my aunt. Driver would stop at Herald shops in Warkworth, Wellsford etc, unlock the door and drop the Heralds inside. North of Whangarei the driver would chuck individual copies out for individual farms etc. Kaitaia would get its Heralds early afternoon.
        
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        December 26, 2023 6:42pm
- JJ56
  
  I wouldn’t normally bother reading a political comment from Emmerson because he’s transparent where he is coming from, and has never really shown the cleverness/wit/insight one expects of a good cartoonist, regardless of politics.
  
  But with Damocles’ ringing endorsement I thought I might find hidden depths. But no, same on plodding humour one step down from dad jokes, and no decent “eviscerating [of] the parties on the right”.
  
  One can only assume the Herald subscribers/advertisers like to play it safe and boring, and Emmerson delivers.
  
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  December 26, 2023 11:21am
- Justitia
  
  Why has this country become a dumping-ground for Australian communists? Surely we can ‘501’ them back to where they came from?
  
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  December 26, 2023 11:33am
- I remember when
  
  If Emmerson really believed in his ability he would have produced a cartoon, not an article!
  
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  December 26, 2023 12:04pm
- NothingLeft
  
  The economist has a really interesting (long) senior editor’s account of the New York Times final abandonment of journalistic integrity during Trump years to become a left-wing narrative/propaganda mouthpiece. Likely reflective of almost identical process in other legacy media outlets of the world and NZ as the inmates took over the asylum and started enforcing far-left monocultural orthodoxy:
  
  https://www.economist.com/1843/2023/12/14/when-the-new-york-times-lost-its-way
  
  Not paywalled for non-subscriber me, but possible won’t work for others.
  
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  December 26, 2023 12:12pm
- NoFax
  
  So will you stop reading the legacy media? I’ve decided I won’t read any of this trash any more. Remember, it doesn’t matter if you “hate watch” or just watch you still count towards their readership or viewership. If you really want to see the end of this nonsense stop watching and the revenue will dry to and they will die.
  
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  December 26, 2023 1:48pm
  - Damocles11
    
    I don’t buy the physical newspapers, I don’t subscribe…but I do find ways to keep tabs on what they are up to.
    
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    December 26, 2023 2:29pm
    - Jethrod
      
      I had an offer several weeks ago for 6 weeks of the physical Herald for FREE. Took the offer but will stop it prior to the 6 weeks ending and revert to the digital form which I have had for 20 months.
      Most the of the stories appear a day after on physical Herald.
      Digital so much better even if you have to be discretionary on topic
      
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      December 26, 2023 3:42pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Righto, but they will use that 6 weeks by adding you into their purported ‘subscriber’ figures.
        
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        December 26, 2023 4:39pm
Pavel

So, Lower Hutt residents are being told not to poo https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/133439383/juicy-fest-council-staff-say-residents-should-stop-pooing-ahead-of-major-music-festival
Whats next? I guess with the water shortages they will tell you to stop drinking water. Won’t be long before they tell you to drink and water your gardens and lawns with Brawndo.
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December 26, 2023 8:23am
- Che Guava
  
  Great. Even more people who are completely full of shit in the Wellington area.
  
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  December 26, 2023 9:51am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Brilliant comment.
    
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    December 26, 2023 10:13am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Replying on behalf of Biscuit: please do not confuse Hutt Superior with the goings on at Hutt Inferior.
    
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    December 26, 2023 1:32pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Good one, Bolly. Uptick from me.
      
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      December 26, 2023 1:46pm
- sirknz
  
  Brawndo! It’s got what plants crave.
  
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  December 26, 2023 11:29am
Chuck Bird

This is very interesting. We could have a significant sea level rise and it will have little to do with CO2. It is unclear how likely this but it would be foolish to discount it.

Volcanoes melting Antarctica: Why did UN IPCC AR6 report hide the science?

https://theoutdoorphonestore.com/175635/volcanoes-melting-antarctica-why-did-un-ipcc-ar6-report-hide-the-science/
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December 26, 2023 8:26am
- krazykiwi
  
  Any rise will be attributed to CO2. The entire climate scam relies on narrative-supporting pseudoscience being amplified while truth is aggressively suppressed. Climate mewlings from the WEF king this Christmas will have made that clear
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:34am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    If we get a sudden one or two metre rise is will clearly be from a volcano.
    
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    December 26, 2023 8:38am
    - I remember when
      
      The scientists seem to be able to tell us about the sea levels and temperatures of the past, but we are never advised what the rainfall changes were.
      Were hurricanes and other strong wind events more common?
      Why was the wind so often mentioned in early New Zealand articles when CO2 levels were considerably lower?
      
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      December 26, 2023 11:54am
    - NothingLeft
      
      1-2 m rise would need an utterly incredible 1-2e21 J of energy to melt the ice. That is 100’s of times greater than all nuclear weapons in the world.
      
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      December 26, 2023 12:05pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        This idea is that the heat from the volcano will melt the ice where the ice touches the land and the glacier slides into the ocean.
        
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        December 26, 2023 12:49pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        This is very technical but there are varying opinions as the whether volcanic activity could cause sudden sea level rise. I do not have the expertise to judge but am suspicious that NASA discounts the possibility.
        
        Evidence of an active volcanic heat source beneath the Pine Island Glacier
        
        https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04421-3
        
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        December 26, 2023 2:52pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Chuck
        
        This idea is that the heat from the volcano will melt the ice where the ice touches the land and the glacier slides into the ocean.
        
        [1] The volcanoes will need to heat the base and overcome the thermal mass of ice above which will try and refreeze it.
        
        …and the glacier slides into the ocean.
        
        [2] Traveling up hill and down dale, overcoming probably octillions of tons of gravity and sideways friction, as well as thermal mass and conductivity from all over the continent creating friction by refreezing.
        
        [3] Even if the Antarctic rockbed was instead highly polished 100m thick stainless steel you would still have to heat the entire continent raising the coldest part from -80°C. But even then, it would work because the 100m thick stainless steel would be concave with the sheet weight of the ice in the centre. At even a 1000m thick you get buckling.
        
        There are tremendous forces at work in the Antarctic, as with all land mass, pressure, gravity, highly compressed ice, highly compressed water tables below the earth’s crust.
        
        I’m sorry Chuck, but suggest you take up night classes in physics, and take a course in 3D mind visualisation.
        
        If you could succeed in fully melting the bottom layer of the entire content and have it slide sideways, I’d be more concerned about the energy source that was capable of doing that. Think Death Star/Aliens/Singularity/Collision with mercury.
        
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        December 26, 2023 10:32pm
- artemisia
  
  Don’t hear much in the NZ media about the wide impacts of volcanic eruptions, unless airlines are affected.// Outcomes not always able to be proved I guess, but those effects can be massive of course.
  
  The Tonga volcano eruption early last year was thought to be a serious contributor to very unusual floods in Australia. In NZ nothing much said so maybe narrative not fitted.
  
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  December 26, 2023 9:09am
  - Tricati
    
    There was an Australian meteorologist who penned a very good article after the Tongan volcanic eruption explaining how much water was put into the atmosphere. They went on to explain that due to higher atmospheric winds circulating over eastern Australia and northern NZ, both areas will be subject to very heavy rainfall, which is what happened causing the Auckland Floods and issues on the east coast.
    Listening to our MSM, those events were all because of climate change.
    
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    December 26, 2023 12:37pm
    - JohnRidd
      
      Well said Tricati.
      
      I have been all who would listen and many who didn’t want to that the greater than average rainfall is because of the eruption.
      
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      December 26, 2023 1:56pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      I read that article, (or a similar one), it was excellent but I’ve managed to misplace it.
      
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      December 27, 2023 12:13am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Aah, this is where ‘tipping points’ come in. These will be used to explain away sudden changes. Remember that there is nothing that (human-caused) CO2 emissions cannot do. /s.
  As for the IPCC, according to them, their role is
  “to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change…”
  It’s human-induced climate change they’re interested in, not that natural stuff that is (apparently) just background noise. Volcanoes potentially melting glaciers isn’t what they’re there to tell us about.
  
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  December 26, 2023 9:27am
  - Burtland
    
    ” isn’t what they’re there to ~~tell~~ sell us “
    
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    December 26, 2023 10:00am
- hullkiwi
  
  Chuck, the reports you write about are not news. In April this year, I posted a link to an essay/report written by Ian Wishart about the active volcanoes of Antarctica melting the ice cap. In his essay, Wishart highlighted studies/research undertaken by Victoria University scientists that has been suppressed because it is contrary to the programme that supports the Climate Change scam.
  
  I would further recommend to you Wishart’s book “Air Con”.
  
  The problem is factual realities like the impact of volcanoes and eruptions are inconvenient when the chosen “environmental scientists” beat the drum of climate change. For example look at the impact of the Tongan volcanic eruption last year. It has been/was widely reported that eruption increased atmospheric water content in the region by 15%. Surprise, surprise, that water came from somewhere, and by the laws of physics (what goes up, must come down when gravity is applied) had to come back down to earth. Helping to explain why rainfall in northern NZ has been between 100% & 200% of normal averages.
  
  Another note from the volume of rain in the North, it has had had a significant impact on a reduction in sunshine hours, that this year didn’t turn out to be “yet again the hottest year on record”, and not helpful if you are looking for investors & justification for solar farms in the North.
  
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  December 26, 2023 10:49am
Paulus

Where can we see the figures for the Birth Rates both in New Zealand. and in UK. by ethnicity.
It is a well known factor in France for example that the Muslim birth rates grossly exceed the non Muslim ones.
Ghedaffi made it quite clear that he would conquer Europe alone by Birth rate alone.
I believe that the same in the UK too to a serious mental medical problem arising from the Muslim Birth rate alone.
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December 26, 2023 8:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  here for NZ
  https://figure.nz/chart/9tLV8dlA9h3iKNrl
  
  For the UK:
  Unfortunately, we do not hold fertility rates by ethnicity.
  
  https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/birthratesfor2015to2021byethnicity
  
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  December 26, 2023 10:45am
- MCōs
  
  Didn’t pan out too well for Gaddafi
  
  My father in law had twenty kids; all Buddhist of course
  One married a Muslin. I asked my wife what the kids were and she they are probably 50-50
  
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  December 26, 2023 10:49am
  - Matt Long
    
    Gaddafi is of course in Paradise with 70 beautiful sex slaves with “good front passages” – unless he is not.
    
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    December 26, 2023 10:58am
  - kowtow
    
    Sheer or coarse.
    
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    December 26, 2023 11:02am
Yvette

The country’s oldest war memorial will be removed from a historic Whanganui reserve following objections to an inscription condemning upriver Māori for “fanaticism and barbarism”.

The monument was erected in 1865 on the banks of the Whanganui River at Pākaitore, a historic trading site, seasonal village and gathering place for Māori.
It commemorates 15 Māori and one European killed in an 1864 battle with upriver Māori at Moutoa island, 80km from Whanganui.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/12/23/offensive-whanganui-war-memorial-to-be-removed/

Since, the one European is vastly outnumbered 16 to 1, could this conflict be classified as basically Maori against Maori and therefore an inter-tribal clash on the wrong side of history, meaning perhaps it is on the wrong side of 1840, where Maori history – thanks to Ardern-Hipkins Labour Government – now starts

The victors write history and decide that narrative and so tear down anything that disagrees with it, to prove they are write.
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December 26, 2023 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  Funny how some people’s “treasures” aren’t worth protecting , while others are .
  
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  December 26, 2023 11:00am
- I remember when
  
  ‘offensive whanganui war memorial to be removed”
  
  Do we remove all war memorials because war is of its nature offensive?
  Will we learn that history was often offensive before we remove all supposedly offensive memorials, thus removing examples of the attitudes of the time?
  
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  December 26, 2023 11:07am
- HeatherW
  
  Battle was in 1863. The Maori named on the statue were killed while helping to protect the Europeans living in Whanganui (established 1840).
  The European was a Lay Brother (so Catholic) who was killed either in cross-fire or while trying to make peace.
  The statue is on land previously known as Moutoa Gardens (Land protests 1995). Another statue on the same section is dedicated to Major Kemp and includes several stories on his battles and the story of a female Maori chief who assisted him.
  
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  December 26, 2023 2:25pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Major Kemp = Te Kepa of Arawa, if I remember correctly. Fought with the British against some of the weirder Maori movements such as Hou Hou.
    
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    December 26, 2023 7:58pm
- Damocles11
  
  Why if they offer to spruce up the statue, gift it to local Iwi, and then lease it back?
  
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  December 26, 2023 4:36pm
Suze Wainwright

What is it about Christmas time that sees so many pontificating lefties come out with their humorless best…?

Why do some lefties choose to identify as comedians?
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December 26, 2023 8:52am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  How they laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian.
  
  They’re not laughing now.
  
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  December 26, 2023 9:30am
- Blackbob
  
  “Why do some lefties choose to identify as comedians?”
  To explain why we laugh at them (not with them)
  
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  December 26, 2023 9:38am
- oldpark
  
  Like the daddy of them all .The clown employed by
  the bribed Newspaper So called “Stuff”.
  Yes the same wee pest who masquerades as a cartoonist daily puts the boot into the recently Democratically elected Coalition on 14 10 2023 .
  He or she seems to be so besotted with our Prime Minister Christopher Luxon .
  I believe the hidden agenda of number one “Stuff” Clown is a fear that all the bribed money given to his outfit by Ardern/Hipkins Gang will be no more any time soon, so thus the character Daily assassination of Coalitions Christopher Luxon our Prime Minister .Nuff Said .
  
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  December 26, 2023 9:53am
- Burtland
  
  Why do some lefties choose to identify as comedians?
  
  or artists
  or poets
  or writers
  or musicians
  
  all of them are grifters
  
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  December 26, 2023 10:06am
- sirknz
  
  They like the sound of people clapping. That’s how you know how good a lefty comedian is, everybody clapped.
  
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  December 26, 2023 11:38am
NeverMindTheBollocks

An outbreak of common sense on Newshub.

The article is not so much about the consumption of too much salt (although that rates a mention), but that most of us are eating our way into poor health and early deaths. It calls for a return to mostly non factory food (though still regarding the occasional indulgence as fine).

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2023/12/health-expert-says-kiwis-need-to-change-what-they-eat-after-consumer-nz-warning-over-sodium-in-popular-grocery-items.html
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December 26, 2023 9:26am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Meh. I saw no signs in that article that they’re any less Left than they were before. They voted for this and likely will continue to do so even after this incident. He would say to the gunman…. nothing the gunman wouldn’t laugh at. Complaining about not getting the letter from the criminal that got him a discount, rather than pointing out the absurdity of a criminal gaming the stupid system.
  
  If it had been another person who got shot he wouldn’t give a shit and would probably lambast any rellie who turned up at the Christmas dinner arguing for the end of such letters, tougher sentences, policing focused on cbd street crime and so forth.
  
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  December 26, 2023 11:24am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I think this reply should be elsewhere
    
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    December 26, 2023 1:36pm
Scooter

This story on Newstalk ZB is an example of the absolute drivel they are publishing as an excuse for news. A story of the brother of radio host JJ Feeney who was shot while out getting takeaways, yes it doesn’t get any better than that. Add to the non story are a few embarrassing photos of Feeney and her ex and various hangers on. Publicity whores springs to mind. No wonder MSM are on their last legs.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/couldve-ended-my-life-jay-jay-feeney-s-brother-furious-at-shooters-sentence/?dicbo=v2-CRneeul
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December 26, 2023 9:52am
- Damocles11
  
  Cracking down on criminals only becomes important when the family of someone in the media is impacted.
  
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  December 26, 2023 10:50am
I remember when

Article on CEO of Fish & Game at the week-end.

“One of the objectives is giving effect to Fish & Game’s commitment to Te tiriti o Waitangi.”

So how does that cover – Mallard ducks, Pheasants, Californian, etc, quail, Canadian geese, the various trout species, and salmon.
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December 26, 2023 10:53am
- Paulus
  
  Were they not all imported, like Sheep, Pigs and Cows ?
  
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  December 26, 2023 11:16am
- Damocles11
  
  Being woke evidently means promotions and more dosh, so the corporate ladder climbers & brown nosers are clambering over each other to be as diverse and Treaty-centric as possible. Sickening.
  
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  December 26, 2023 12:45pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Yes Damocles, that is how most NZ institutions now work.
    
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    December 26, 2023 9:12pm
  - GJM
    
    Yes, engineering NZ is incredibly woke. This is the professional organisation for engineers, which charge $1500 / year in fees and is defacto compulsory. I don’t bother to read the news from them as jthey stick made up te reo in wherever they can. Still ignore some major issues with engineering competency in NZ however…
    
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    December 28, 2023 8:01pm
- Burtland
  
  this commitment to ToW will only be because theyre receiving coin from government
  – you take the money you preach the ideology
  
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  December 26, 2023 4:43pm
Matt Long

Journalist Claire Trevett writes I of New Zealand’s own Nakbah. Paywalled.
Claims she was not pushed.
Excerpts,
“2022 was supposed to be better for Ardern. The lockdowns were over, the country was vaccinated, the mandates that had caused her so much grief had been dropped.

The borders were re-opening. It was hoped things would feel normal again as soon as possible.

But one of those close to her said 2022 had been particularly bruising.

The occupation at Parliament started it on a bad note that lingered. “That was so horrific in so many ways,” one senior minister said.”
“One reporter gasped out loud. Another, sitting next to Gayford, grabbed Gayford’s arm in shock.” Can you feel the media party’s pain?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/countdown-to-a-bombshell-the-inside-story-of-jacinda-arderns-resignation-and-the-rise-of-chris-hipkins/SZUXG5HD3FDAXHYAIQMTPW43RU/
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December 26, 2023 11:08am
- I remember when
  
  There is, of course, no mention of her continuing her campaign to use covid to ensure Labour remained in power.
  Or, continuing the fear by emphasising the dangers covid presented.
  Normal was never possible – she was Covid queen!
  
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  December 26, 2023 11:36am
- Matt Long
  
  Sorry, Trevett Claims Arden was not pushed, too little sleep last night.
  
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  December 26, 2023 12:32pm
I remember when

Shares in Rivian, a maker of electric pickups and sports utility vehicles that many analysts consider the startup most likely to survive, are down eighty percent (80%).
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December 26, 2023 11:22am
- NothingLeft
  
  Recent story of a small Rivian fender dent costing US$41k to repair: https://insideevs.com/news/665545/rivian-r1t-fender-bender-big-repair-bill/
  
  A lot of EVs are being reported with incredible repair bills for what would have historically been considered minor body damage. Another recent example was Hyundai Ioniq owners being charged $60k for battery replacement due to minor under-side damage (running over some debris on the road).
  
  In some ways this is not dissimilar to the super high pressure common-rail diesel TDi engine issues that would see $10-20k repair bills when a single injection component like a pump failed in 5-15 year old turbodiesels (which is why you shouldn’t buy older TDi vehicles) – so bad that there is now a premium on lower pressure diesel engined vehicles produced before TDi became ubiquitous.
  
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  December 26, 2023 11:58am
- goNZ1
  
  This result can only be described as flat
  
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  December 26, 2023 12:48pm
I remember when

How Electricity Is Changing, Country by Country: NY Times.
“Carbon-free electricity has never been more plentiful.
Wind and solar power have taken off over the past two decades, faster than experts ever expected.
But it hasn’t yet been enough to halt the rise of coal – and gas-burning generation.
That’s because global demand for electricity has grown even faster than clean energy, leaving fossil fuels to fill the gap.”

Yep, it seems like we must immediately stop all fossil fuel production.
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December 26, 2023 11:29am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, wind and solar manufacturing is far from carbon free.
  
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  December 26, 2023 12:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/here-we-go-maori-activists-in-the-main-stream-media-have-been-busy-making-propaganda-videos-watch-this-one/
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December 26, 2023 11:46am
- Swifty
  
  Wow, total one-sided propaganda from Forbes and team – not even an attempt at balance, objectivity or fairness.
  
  I see they misrepresented or failed to even mention some of the major, most vital, arguments against The Voice and instead chose to spend much time with character as assassinations of some of the leaders of the ‘No’ campaign while presenting the ‘Yes’ campaigners as virtuous and wounded warriors.
  
  A very poor show from our state broadcaster but I would expect nothing less. For years they’ve been happy to use their position and taxpayer cash to push their political viewpoints and to silence other voices.
  
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  December 26, 2023 12:53pm
Jack5

Take cover, indigenous-science spears coming in …

The Woke have opened another front: “data sovereignty” for indigenous people such as Maori.

It’s beyond the push for indigenous knowledge to be regarded as science or the equivalent of science. It potentially affects copyright, and access to information.

This comment with the report at the Royal Society of NZ site gives an idea of where it’s coming from:

“It is pleasing to see recognition of the huge contribution that Māori and Indigenous scholars and communities are making to theory and practice.”

You can read the report on line at the first link below.

The second link lets you download it for more leisurely perusal.

Here’s a taste:

Locally, a key approach to realising Māori data sovereignty is through applying the Māori data sovereignty principles created by Te mana Raraunga, the Māori Data Sovereignty Network,
founded in 2015.

The principles give guidance for the ethical use of Māori data. They emphasise Māori wellbeing, rangatiratanga, authority, whakapapa, relationships, whanaungatanga,
obligations, kotahitanga, collective benefit, and manaakitanga, reciprocity. The principles are the foundation of Te mana Raraunga’s mana-Mahi Framework: mana relating to governance
and mahi to operations. The framework also applies to algorithms and ADM.

In 2023, the Te Kāhui Raraunga Māori Data Governance Model was released, developed under the mana Ōrite Relationship Agreement …

The Model is an operational guide, specifically for use across the public service system with the support of Stats NZ as the public service system lead for data. It aims to transform the data system, guided by the values of:

• nurturing data as a taonga – an ancestral gift rather than a commodity;

• putting iwi-Māori data in iwi-Māori hands;

• using data for good;

• being accountable – to the relationships interlinked with data;

• decolonising data systems – ending practices that are detrimental to Indigenous lives.

You read the report online at this site:

https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/what-we-do/our-expert-advice/all-expert-advice-papers/mana-raraunga-data-sovereignty/

You can download the report for off-line perusal here:

https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/assets/Mana-Raraunga-Data-Sovereignty-web-V1.pdf
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December 26, 2023 12:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maori are not “indigenous”
  They came in canoes, remember?
  The lie needs to stop.
  
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  December 26, 2023 3:09pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Good luck with that interpretation Steve, but you’re backing a losing horse. Maaori are recognized by the UN as the indigenous people of NZ.
    
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    December 26, 2023 3:48pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      UN can recognise all they want. Does UN recognise the Canoes with all the different Canoe names?
      Tainui, Te Arawa, Mātaatua, Kurahaupō, Tokomaru, Aotea and Tākitimu.
      Where do these migrating canoes fit in with “Indigenous?”
      
      “One of these things is not like the other.”
      Can someone please explain before we finish this game?
      I am backing a losing ‘waka!!!!’
      
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      December 26, 2023 4:05pm
      - Burtland
        
        Sir Pita Sharples signed it off – he has a gong so it must be true //
        
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        December 26, 2023 4:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Burtland.
        Somehow John Key gets blamed a lot, but Pita Sharples was the one who flew secretly to New York to sign the deal. Of course it is no secret now.
        
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        December 26, 2023 5:42pm
      - Jethrod
        
        I had an offer several weeks ago for 6 weeks of the physical Herald for FREE. Took the offer but will stop it prior to the 6 weeks ending and revert to the digital form which I have had for 20 months.
        Most the of the stories appear a day after on physical Herald.
        Digital so much better even if you have to be discretionary on topic
        
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        December 26, 2023 5:51pm
      - Jethrod
        
        They were endemic…… landedhere on the way to Antarctica…… we’ve been told that. So there!
        
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        December 26, 2023 5:53pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      PP2: “Good luck with that interpretation Steve, but you’re backing a losing horse. Maaori are recognized by the UN as the indigenous people of NZ.”
      
      Sadly you back the trojan horse full of woke losers and despotic scumbag leaders known as the UN. They do not govern NZ. Nor should they.
      
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      December 26, 2023 5:27pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They do not govern NZ yet.
        Hold my beer says Ardern!
        She is far from finished fucking NZ over (again!)
        
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        December 26, 2023 5:44pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ignore the UN, Fink/Schwabb and their ESG fascism and NZ will get into great shape. Follow their arrogant crap and NZ will go down the gurgler just like Sri Lanka did.
        
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        December 26, 2023 5:48pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        I don’t back “woke losers and despotic scumbags”, I’m saying you need a better argument. The question is not whether Maaori are indigenous (by any reasonable definition they are), but whether the indigeneity of Maaori justifies making non-Maaori NZers 2nd class citizens, teaching our children that white men are privileged and wicked, teaching “indigenous knowledge” in science classes, etc. And my answer is NO it doesn’t.
        
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        December 26, 2023 8:55pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Noted your response PP2. Perhaps you aren’t fully onboard with the UN in all aspects, but it did appear to me that you were holding up the UN as a high authority that NZ should pay heed to on this issue.
        
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        December 27, 2023 11:19pm
  - Inandout
    
    SO, yes thousands of kilometres, so we are told. Oh to be a fly on the mast.
    
    Great fleet” hypothesis
    
    ‘Percy Smith believed that the Polynesian traditions may have been flawed in detail, but they preserved the threads of truth that could be recovered using a method already well established for Hawaiian traditions by Abraham Fornander (An Account of the Polynesian Race, 1878–1885). The method involved seeking out common elements of tradition from different sources and aligning these to genealogies to give a timeframe for the events. Fornander, Smith and others used the method to reconstruct the migrations of the Polynesians and traced them back to a supposed ancient homeland in India.
    
    Smith used the Fornander method and combined disparate traditions from various parts of New Zealand and other parts of Polynesia, to derive the “Great Fleet” hypothesis. Through an examination of the genealogies of various tribes, he came up with a set of precise dates for the Great Fleet and the explorers that he and others posited as having paved the way for the fleet’.
    
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    December 26, 2023 3:58pm
    - rouppe
      
      Hawaii and Hawaiiki are not the same place. Maori say they came from Hawaiiki. But can’t say where that was. It’s the south Pacific version of Atlantis.
      
      Also, to navigate in an east or west direction you need timekeeping, a sextant, and record keeping. Maori had none of those.
      
      Note, to navigate is to know where you are. You could travel in an easterly direction but you’d have no idea where you are, and couldn’t replicate the journey. In other words there’s a reasonable chance Maori arrived here with blind luck.
      
      I’m also very curious about why the oral history stops with the arrival of the waka. Why is there no history about the journey, the reasons for leaving a warm, tropical paradise?
      
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      December 26, 2023 7:02pm
- Cassandra
  
  Save yourself some capacity – do not download. And reduce your blood pressure + increase happiness level. Sooner the Royal Society NZ is closed down the better.
  
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  December 26, 2023 3:28pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Jesus wept! At some point this government is going to have do something about RSNZ.
  
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  December 26, 2023 3:50pm
M.Solvent

Article in the Herald about a man who fell out of his kayak in the middle of Wellington harbour and was at risk of drowning. The article concludes:

“Casey knows he’s lucky. Aged 53 in May 2021, he was just outside the 55+ age cohort of Kiwi males who drowned in record numbers that year.”

It’s written as if the reporter believes that the man would have died had he been two years older and in the same situation.

The corporate media in NZ constantly uses this flawed angle when reporting. They generally do it because it is a necessary part of the “logic” of critical race theory. It reminds me of the articles about Kiri Allan’s cancer – they reported the statistics on Māori women’s’ mortality rates after a diagnosis and deduced that it was highly unlikely she would survive, ignoring the factors like her wealth, physical condition, education and timing of diagnosis that actually have a bearing on mortality risk.

The media is so trapped in this way of thinking now that the flawed logic is making its way into the reporting on events with no critical theory angle.
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December 26, 2023 12:44pm
- Bridgenag
  
  was he wearing a life jacket?
  
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  December 26, 2023 1:19pm
  - PaulP
    
    Says he was wearing a life jacket but it was an inflatable one that failed to inflate when he pulled the cord. I thought they generally had a manual way to blow them up but his either didn’t or he didn’t know how to use it.
    
    He had a phone not tethered that sunk and a VHF radio he hadn’t learned to use.
    
    Was also in a brand new kayak that he didn’t really know how to use, and had had no lessons in kayaking, before going out in the harbour kilometres from shore.
    
    And, the kicker is, he works for water safety New Zealand FFS. No wonder the drowning stats are so bad.
    
    To his credit he was making what happened to him public so others wouldn’t be such a muppet.
    
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    December 26, 2023 8:47pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  M.Solvent you realise that in NZ men are regarded as shit and women are regarded as wonderful?
  
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  December 26, 2023 5:45pm
goNZ1

In a moment of weakness I glanced at Utterly Stuft today and was very surprised to see they reported news that brought the teachings of the Climate Boiling Cult into disrepute.
” Beijing recorded the most hours of sub-freezing temperatures in December in more than seven decades as a cold wave has enveloped northern and central swathes of China, bringing snowstorms and record-breaking temperatures.

As high priest Owl Gorr would say, An Inconvenient Truth!
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December 26, 2023 12:54pm
- Steve Todd
  
  In a moment of weakness I glanced at Utterly Stuft today […].
  
  C’mon, gonzo, admit it: you access Stuff/MSM every day.
  
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  December 26, 2023 1:19pm
  - goNZ1
    
    Over the the ‘Erald today we also learn –
    ” Adelaide has experienced its coldest Christmas Day in 17 years with hail reported in parts of South Australia ”
    
    Greta T please read this and weep at the BS your parents have brainwashed you with…
    
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    December 26, 2023 5:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Let’s go back to analogue thermometers. Alcohol or mercury ones.
  The digital ones seem to have that roving decimal point that people can’t read.
  
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  December 26, 2023 3:15pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    ” Beijing recorded the most hours of sub-freezing temperatures in December in more than seven decades as a cold wave has enveloped northern and central swathes of China, bringing snowstorms and record-breaking temperatures.”
    
    In the current crazy-town climate science, record cold all over the planet is proof that Co2 is heating the planet to hell. Pay people to talk shit, and they will talk shit. Tell people they will lose their livelihoods if they speak the truth and they won’t speak the truth.
    
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    December 26, 2023 5:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Climate change Scientists need to keep their jobs.
      Another job means ‘work’ Climate change apprenticeship has been done.
      “I am now a Professor” //
      
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      December 26, 2023 5:52pm
- MCōs
  
  No need to apologize
  
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  December 26, 2023 4:07pm
Gravelroad

Hope you all had a good Christmas.
One of the inmates here was given as a gift an illustrated book about the many small towns, past and present, in NZ.
Title: “High Hopes and Big Dreams – 165 small towns in their twilight.” By Peter Jannsen and Elizabeth Anderson.
One photo caption dated 27 August 1904 informs the reader that:
“A match was played in the Sheffield Domain (Canterbury) between teams representing the newly formed Malvern Ladies’ Hockey Club and a team of men in skirts.”
“The match which created considerable local interest, was won by the men, after a spirited struggle, by two goals”.
All the players wore ankle length skirts.
Some are pictured with moustaches.
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December 26, 2023 2:17pm
- Cassandra
  
  Some of the men had moustaches too.
  
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  December 26, 2023 3:25pm
AndyW

Two members of the public were rescued yesterday at one of Auckland’s most dangerous beaches after ignoring a Surf Life Saving guard’s advice about swimming in a safe area….
I’m probably being the Christmas Grinch but my view: if you ignore lifeguard’s advice (or advice from any professional) and get in trouble do not expect them to come and rescue your sorry, ignorant, arrogant arse.
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December 26, 2023 5:01pm
- Ghost
  
  So your answer is to let someone die. The life guards having to then recover a dead body. The police then having to go and inform the families of the death. Thankfully surf life saving pride themselves in their work. As do the emergency services when someone speeds and crashes, someone drinks and drives and crashes, or even someone doing something stupid at home and having an accident.
  
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  December 26, 2023 5:20pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    If lifeguards patrolling flagged areas get stretched thin rescuing people who ignore the signs and get into trouble, then people following the signs may die! Remember surf lifesavers are volunteers (correct me if I’m wrong) so additional numbers can’t be rustled up easily.
    
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    December 26, 2023 5:40pm
    - Ghost
      
      They have paid and volunteer life guards.
      
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      December 26, 2023 5:47pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Swim between the flags.
        That is why the flags are there. The life guards can not patrol all of 90 mile beach (60 miles.)
        There are some that just volunteer for drowning.
        
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        December 26, 2023 5:57pm
      - Ghost
        
        Some people won’t, and you don’t just let them die. In some cases they are children or foreigners who don’t understand
        
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        December 26, 2023 5:59pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Dealing with emergencies you have to prioritise. You don’t put those disobeying the rules above those who do. If there is resource to rescue those breaking the rules then you rescue them. If you have a ton of newbies between the flags in iffy conditions, then you just do what you can with those going beyond the perimeter (perhaps call in extra resource like police or army helicopters or whatever).
        
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        December 26, 2023 6:17pm
goNZ1

Alphabet People Outraged.
From the far-left Post dishrag today we learn that new NZF MP and “former Wellington Mayor Andy Foster, once an advocate for trans rights, has been labelled “insidious” after spearheading a change to get biological men out of publicly-funded women’s sports”

Hallelujah! Next on the list should be the tax payer funded gender reassignment surgery .
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December 26, 2023 6:14pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  Did they mean invidious, I wonder? Makes more semse to me. The vocabulary of some ‘newsworthy’ people leaves much to be desired. It seems to be a trait of the radical left that they love repurposing words and phrases, not to mention such impertinences as adding suffixes to words that don’t need them. Makes their utterances even less comprehensible.
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:13pm
Ghost

A serious story, but all I see when looking at the reporter is Pac-Man on her computer. But seriously how do you take so many unaccompanied children out of a country without raising alarms

What were 303 Indian-origin people doing in a Nicaragua-bound plane? Did they embark on the journey of their free will or were they forced to board the plane? What were over 10 unaccompanied minors doing on the plane?

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December 26, 2023 6:48pm
- kevn
  
  Ghost… Also the missing 85,000 children (and women) who get railroaded by the people smugglers, as they travel from South America to bidens USA border.
  https://www.newsweek.com/under-joe-biden-undocumented-children-missing-1812728
  
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  December 26, 2023 7:20pm
rouppe

Hone Harawira. At one with nature, custodian of the land looking after the interests of Papatūānuku, Earth Mother.

https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/03/26/east-coast-farm-collapses-after-maori-carbon-group-takes-over/
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December 26, 2023 6:49pm
- kevn
  
  rouppe… What a useless lot. The locals must loathe them.
  
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  December 26, 2023 7:49pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t Sir Mark Solomon & Hone Harawira whakapapa to Ngai Tahu and Tai Tokorau respectively? That farm is deep in Ngata Porou territory. They have no more standing there than I do.
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Dodgy as, mate….
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/503017/carbon-farming-on-maori-land-assets-or-liabilities
  
  https://nzbloglex.blogspot.com/2022/03/maori-aorangi-awarua-trust-v-maori.html
  
  Anyone heard of Jevan Goulter lately?
  
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  December 26, 2023 8:47pm
Ghost

The invasion and destruction of the USA continues

Thousands join Christmas Eve migrant caravan – the biggest in more than a year – as it treks through Mexico and towards the U.S. border just days before Blinken arrives in the capital to hammer out new agreement to stem surge
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